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"How much power does the church of England have in politics and law?
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Power? None.
Influence? Not very much, but that's still too much. If there's any single archaic institution that we need to rid ourselves of, it's the Lords Spiritual. |
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By (user no longer on site) 47 weeks ago
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Very little, and increasingly less. Which is a good thing given that Welby and pretty much every Archbishop of Canterbury before him have been Guardian reading buffoons.
I’d be far more concerned about the influence that Islam is already having on our society, and certainly will have in the future given changing demographics. |
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"How much power does the church of England have in politics and law?
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The archbishops have an automatic right to vote on laws for believers and none believers, Sunday trading hours is one example. |
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"Directly, very little.
How much our MPs are faith driven ... Feels that's still there. "
JRM says he votes against gay rights because he thinks that's what the deity he believes in would want him to do. |
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"The church is one of the pillars of our democracy, and brings an independent voice on matters. It's what sets us apart from Authoritarianism."
Authoritarianism:
Noun.
the enforcement or advocacy of strict obedience to authority at the expense of personal freedom.
"he warned against the intrusion of authoritarianism in various countries"
For those of us who don't know, can you explain how the church is keeping us from this?
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"The church is one of the pillars of our democracy, and brings an independent voice on matters. It's what sets us apart from Authoritarianism.
Authoritarianism:
Noun.
the enforcement or advocacy of strict obedience to authority at the expense of personal freedom.
"he warned against the intrusion of authoritarianism in various countries"
For those of us who don't know, can you explain how the church is keeping us from this?
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Thanks for the English lesson. In fact, the opposite of a democratic state is an authoritarian state. Our democracy stands atop numerous institutional pillars, one of which is the church. That's how. |
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"The church is one of the pillars of our democracy, and brings an independent voice on matters. It's what sets us apart from Authoritarianism.
Authoritarianism:
Noun.
the enforcement or advocacy of strict obedience to authority at the expense of personal freedom.
"he warned against the intrusion of authoritarianism in various countries"
For those of us who don't know, can you explain how the church is keeping us from this?
Thanks for the English lesson. In fact, the opposite of a democratic state is an authoritarian state. Our democracy stands atop numerous institutional pillars, one of which is the church. That's how."
Pretty sure our form of democracy would continue with absolutely no links to the church at all. |
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By *usybee73 OP Man 47 weeks ago
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"How much power does the church of England have in politics and law?
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The archbishops have an automatic right to vote on laws for believers and none believers, Sunday trading hours is one example. "
True, and today is a perfect example with trading hours.
Another view is the amount of actual practicing Christians?
Then you some very obscure laws relating to Sundays, think of the top of my head you can't shoot birds on a Sunday etc |
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I’d be far more concerned about the influence that Islam is already having on our society, and certainly will have in the future given changing demographics."
If it's serving the needs and beliefs of their followers, that's organic change. There was a time when Christianity did the same in the UK, but in general a lot of the population are more secular these days. All religions suffer entropy eventually, and new ones appear to fill the vacuum. |
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By *amantMan 47 weeks ago
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"How much power does the church of England have in politics and law?
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As a country we are shaped by a Christian calendar, a plurality of people in Britain are Christians and the King is the supreme governor of the state church. But let's imagine the church had enough of being background music and wanted to enforce a more Christian country, what could it do? The wine might go down well in a lot of places but how many people would just accept no Sunday trading at all? Or everyone getting baptised? And that would be the less controversial stuff. All the positions of power the Church holds are effectively ceremonial. You could democratise the Lords and make Britain a secular republic, yet would it change anything? I personally doubt it. So, I'd argue they have very little power and maybe that isn't a bad thing. |
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"How much power does the church of England have in politics and law?
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Way too much. Too many archbishop peers. Too many MPs have faith and let it cloud their judgement.
Religion was a useful tool to control an uneducated population in historical times. It has no place in modern society, particularly in politics and education. |
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"Religion was a useful tool to control an uneducated population in historical times. It has no place in modern society, particularly in politics and education."
Agreed. However we must be mindful that for some cultures, religion is the bedrock of their culture and it's so deeply-embedded that said cultures would not survive without it. They'd morph of course, but the upheaval would be immense. |
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"How much power does the church of England have in politics and law?
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As a country we are shaped by a Christian calendar, a plurality of people in Britain are Christians and the King is the supreme governor of the state church. But let's imagine the church had enough of being background music and wanted to enforce a more Christian country, what could it do? The wine might go down well in a lot of places but how many people would just accept no Sunday trading at all? Or everyone getting baptised? And that would be the less controversial stuff. All the positions of power the Church holds are effectively ceremonial. You could democratise the Lords and make Britain a secular republic, yet would it change anything? I personally doubt it. So, I'd argue they have very little power and maybe that isn't a bad thing. "
Well before that it was a pagan calendar. Why is Christmas celebrated on the 25th of December? |
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"The church is one of the pillars of our democracy, and brings an independent voice on matters. It's what sets us apart from Authoritarianism."
Lol yeah because the Church hasn't ever supported dictatorships. |
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By (user no longer on site) 47 weeks ago
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"The church is one of the pillars of our democracy, and brings an independent voice on matters. It's what sets us apart from Authoritarianism.
Lol yeah because the Church hasn't ever supported dictatorships."
nobody remembers the Spanish inquisition  |
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"I think Islam probably has more influence in British Politics these days than Christianity."
It's hard to compare like-for-like because Islam is a small but thriving minority community inside a larger culture still mostly predicated on waning Christianity.
The concerns some people seem to have about Islam gaining ground are usually centred around isolated issues that receive disproportionate focus. For example people might object to a Mosque being erected in this or that location so make a lot of noise about it and a certain type of newspaper will use that to make hay, but won't mention that the town is only 4% Muslim and has fifteen Christian churches. |
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. We have throwbacks like Rees Mog who follow their own interpretation of hearsay from 2000 years ago 