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By (user no longer on site) OP    51 weeks ago

Anyone remember Ukraine?

Has it all gone silent because Ukraine has won?

Or is it just that the globalists and media would prefer not to talk about it now it’s clear (as it always should have been) that Ukraine can’t win?

Russia’s economy growing at 3.2%. And the UK/Eurozone? Looks like sanctions have been suicidal.

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By *irldnCouple 51 weeks ago

Brighton

All eyes in the media turned to the “next big thing” ie Israel-Palestine

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By *amish SMan 51 weeks ago

Eastleigh

Russias economy growing, really according to who. He is fixing interest rates and trade to make it look like its growing. The only true reflection of the russian economy is whats on the shelves, interest rates, and the best and harder to fix is the exchange rate.

Russia is still losing 1000 troops a day, I wonder how that happens if Ukraine has lost.

One thing for sure, if Ukraine loose, and you think it would go quiet then then you need a reality tablet. Eastern Europe will be at war, the Balkans would be chaos. So lets hope and support Ukraine has the strenght andcourage to kick Russia out of its country.

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By *orleymanMan 51 weeks ago

Leeds


"Russias economy growing, really according to who. He is fixing interest rates and trade to make it look like its growing. The only true reflection of the russian economy is whats on the shelves, interest rates, and the best and harder to fix is the exchange rate.

Russia is still losing 1000 troops a day, I wonder how that happens if Ukraine has lost.

One thing for sure, if Ukraine loose, and you think it would go quiet then then you need a reality tablet. Eastern Europe will be at war, the Balkans would be chaos. So lets hope and support Ukraine has the strenght andcourage to kick Russia out of its country."

1000 troops a day seems a little high that would out Russia at 730k lives lost.

I can't see it.

Agreed on economy. If you print money, the economy grows. Its not a true reflection

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By *mateur100Man 51 weeks ago

nr faversham

I see Cameron has announced sanctions designed to cripple the Russian ability to wage war. Bearing in mind he did the same thing when he was PM and that was ineffective I won't hold my breath

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By *0shadesOfFilthMan 51 weeks ago

nearby


"I see Cameron has announced sanctions designed to cripple the Russian ability to wage war. Bearing in mind he did the same thing when he was PM and that was ineffective I won't hold my breath "

Watched Cameron’s coherent speech at capital hill and wondering how we ended up with Sunak as pm

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By *oo hotCouple 51 weeks ago

North West


"Anyone remember Ukraine?

Has it all gone silent because Ukraine has won?

Or is it just that the globalists and media would prefer not to talk about it now it’s clear (as it always should have been) that Ukraine can’t win?

Russia’s economy growing at 3.2%. And the UK/Eurozone? Looks like sanctions have been suicidal."

So if Ukraine can’t win what is the answer? Give in to Russian aggression?

Putin has stated publicly that the collapse of the Soviet Union was a mistake that needs correcting. Give in to Russia over Ukraine and that ground war will start to get an awful lot closer.

There is no option but for Europe to stand with Ukraine against Putin.

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By *0shadesOfFilthMan 51 weeks ago

nearby


"Anyone remember Ukraine?

Has it all gone silent because Ukraine has won?

Or is it just that the globalists and media would prefer not to talk about it now it’s clear (as it always should have been) that Ukraine can’t win?

Russia’s economy growing at 3.2%. And the UK/Eurozone? Looks like sanctions have been suicidal.

So if Ukraine can’t win what is the answer? Give in to Russian aggression?

Putin has stated publicly that the collapse of the Soviet Union was a mistake that needs correcting. Give in to Russia over Ukraine and that ground war will start to get an awful lot closer.

There is no option but for Europe to stand with Ukraine against Putin. "

Too little too late, where are the migs and f16’s

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By *oo hotCouple 51 weeks ago

North West


"Anyone remember Ukraine?

Has it all gone silent because Ukraine has won?

Or is it just that the globalists and media would prefer not to talk about it now it’s clear (as it always should have been) that Ukraine can’t win?

Russia’s economy growing at 3.2%. And the UK/Eurozone? Looks like sanctions have been suicidal.

So if Ukraine can’t win what is the answer? Give in to Russian aggression?

Putin has stated publicly that the collapse of the Soviet Union was a mistake that needs correcting. Give in to Russia over Ukraine and that ground war will start to get an awful lot closer.

There is no option but for Europe to stand with Ukraine against Putin.

Too little too late, where are the migs and f16’s "

Do you know how long it takes to type-convert military pilots?

The technological leap for a pilot converting from (for example) a Sukhoi to an F-16 is absolutely massive and with the amount of Russian anti-aircraft systems on the ground it is completely pointless for anything other than a supremely competent F-16 pilot to take to the air in the combat areas.

In my opinion, the F-16’s will not be a game changer and will probably be used primarily to hunt Russian AA systems and knock them out. That mission itself can be instantly deadly if the pilots are not wholly on top of the mission tactic - let alone the complexity of the aircraft and system required for that role.

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By *mateur100Man 51 weeks ago

nr faversham


"Anyone remember Ukraine?

Has it all gone silent because Ukraine has won?

Or is it just that the globalists and media would prefer not to talk about it now it’s clear (as it always should have been) that Ukraine can’t win?

Russia’s economy growing at 3.2%. And the UK/Eurozone? Looks like sanctions have been suicidal.

So if Ukraine can’t win what is the answer? Give in to Russian aggression?

Putin has stated publicly that the collapse of the Soviet Union was a mistake that needs correcting. Give in to Russia over Ukraine and that ground war will start to get an awful lot closer.

There is no option but for Europe to stand with Ukraine against Putin.

Too little too late, where are the migs and f16’s

Do you know how long it takes to type-convert military pilots?

The technological leap for a pilot converting from (for example) a Sukhoi to an F-16 is absolutely massive and with the amount of Russian anti-aircraft systems on the ground it is completely pointless for anything other than a supremely competent F-16 pilot to take to the air in the combat areas.

In my opinion, the F-16’s will not be a game changer and will probably be used primarily to hunt Russian AA systems and knock them out. That mission itself can be instantly deadly if the pilots are not wholly on top of the mission tactic - let alone the complexity of the aircraft and system required for that role."

It doesn't take a year so if the west was serious about this it would've been put in place from the word go but no, economic sanctions were the way to go and how effective they've been

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By (user no longer on site) 51 weeks ago


"Anyone remember Ukraine?

Has it all gone silent because Ukraine has won?

Or is it just that the globalists and media would prefer not to talk about it now it’s clear (as it always should have been) that Ukraine can’t win?

Russia’s economy growing at 3.2%. And the UK/Eurozone? Looks like sanctions have been suicidal.

So if Ukraine can’t win what is the answer? Give in to Russian aggression?

Putin has stated publicly that the collapse of the Soviet Union was a mistake that needs correcting. Give in to Russia over Ukraine and that ground war will start to get an awful lot closer.

There is no option but for Europe to stand with Ukraine against Putin.

Too little too late, where are the migs and f16’s

Do you know how long it takes to type-convert military pilots?

The technological leap for a pilot converting from (for example) a Sukhoi to an F-16 is absolutely massive and with the amount of Russian anti-aircraft systems on the ground it is completely pointless for anything other than a supremely competent F-16 pilot to take to the air in the combat areas.

In my opinion, the F-16’s will not be a game changer and will probably be used primarily to hunt Russian AA systems and knock them out. That mission itself can be instantly deadly if the pilots are not wholly on top of the mission tactic - let alone the complexity of the aircraft and system required for that role.

It doesn't take a year so if the west was serious about this it would've been put in place from the word go but no, economic sanctions were the way to go and how effective they've been "

I can confirm it take that long or longer.My husband was a MH-47 pilot or CH-47. The schooling was 18months on a helicopter.No where near the capability of a f-16. Then add in SEAD operations I don't care if you are a genius it takes time.

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By *mateur100Man 51 weeks ago

nr faversham


"Anyone remember Ukraine?

Has it all gone silent because Ukraine has won?

Or is it just that the globalists and media would prefer not to talk about it now it’s clear (as it always should have been) that Ukraine can’t win?

Russia’s economy growing at 3.2%. And the UK/Eurozone? Looks like sanctions have been suicidal.

So if Ukraine can’t win what is the answer? Give in to Russian aggression?

Putin has stated publicly that the collapse of the Soviet Union was a mistake that needs correcting. Give in to Russia over Ukraine and that ground war will start to get an awful lot closer.

There is no option but for Europe to stand with Ukraine against Putin.

Too little too late, where are the migs and f16’s

Do you know how long it takes to type-convert military pilots?

The technological leap for a pilot converting from (for example) a Sukhoi to an F-16 is absolutely massive and with the amount of Russian anti-aircraft systems on the ground it is completely pointless for anything other than a supremely competent F-16 pilot to take to the air in the combat areas.

In my opinion, the F-16’s will not be a game changer and will probably be used primarily to hunt Russian AA systems and knock them out. That mission itself can be instantly deadly if the pilots are not wholly on top of the mission tactic - let alone the complexity of the aircraft and system required for that role.

It doesn't take a year so if the west was serious about this it would've been put in place from the word go but no, economic sanctions were the way to go and how effective they've been I can confirm it take that long or longer.My husband was a MH-47 pilot or CH-47. The schooling was 18months on a helicopter.No where near the capability of a f-16. Then add in SEAD operations I don't care if you are a genius it takes time. "

In which case there's absolutely no point in providing the Ukraine with this in the first place. I choose to believe it doesn't take as long as you suggest

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By (user no longer on site) 51 weeks ago


"Anyone remember Ukraine?

Has it all gone silent because Ukraine has won?

Or is it just that the globalists and media would prefer not to talk about it now it’s clear (as it always should have been) that Ukraine can’t win?

Russia’s economy growing at 3.2%. And the UK/Eurozone? Looks like sanctions have been suicidal.

So if Ukraine can’t win what is the answer? Give in to Russian aggression?

Putin has stated publicly that the collapse of the Soviet Union was a mistake that needs correcting. Give in to Russia over Ukraine and that ground war will start to get an awful lot closer.

There is no option but for Europe to stand with Ukraine against Putin.

Too little too late, where are the migs and f16’s

Do you know how long it takes to type-convert military pilots?

The technological leap for a pilot converting from (for example) a Sukhoi to an F-16 is absolutely massive and with the amount of Russian anti-aircraft systems on the ground it is completely pointless for anything other than a supremely competent F-16 pilot to take to the air in the combat areas.

In my opinion, the F-16’s will not be a game changer and will probably be used primarily to hunt Russian AA systems and knock them out. That mission itself can be instantly deadly if the pilots are not wholly on top of the mission tactic - let alone the complexity of the aircraft and system required for that role.

It doesn't take a year so if the west was serious about this it would've been put in place from the word go but no, economic sanctions were the way to go and how effective they've been I can confirm it take that long or longer.My husband was a MH-47 pilot or CH-47. The schooling was 18months on a helicopter.No where near the capability of a f-16. Then add in SEAD operations I don't care if you are a genius it takes time.

In which case there's absolutely no point in providing the Ukraine with this in the first place. I choose to believe it doesn't take as long as you suggest "

Sead operations are a orchestra of carnage. Now throw in learning a new operational system completely different. Then get 4 other pilots on that same page. Would you do it in 5 months or a year to be the best at it?

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By *mateur100Man 51 weeks ago

nr faversham


"Anyone remember Ukraine?

Has it all gone silent because Ukraine has won?

Or is it just that the globalists and media would prefer not to talk about it now it’s clear (as it always should have been) that Ukraine can’t win?

Russia’s economy growing at 3.2%. And the UK/Eurozone? Looks like sanctions have been suicidal.

So if Ukraine can’t win what is the answer? Give in to Russian aggression?

Putin has stated publicly that the collapse of the Soviet Union was a mistake that needs correcting. Give in to Russia over Ukraine and that ground war will start to get an awful lot closer.

There is no option but for Europe to stand with Ukraine against Putin.

Too little too late, where are the migs and f16’s

Do you know how long it takes to type-convert military pilots?

The technological leap for a pilot converting from (for example) a Sukhoi to an F-16 is absolutely massive and with the amount of Russian anti-aircraft systems on the ground it is completely pointless for anything other than a supremely competent F-16 pilot to take to the air in the combat areas.

In my opinion, the F-16’s will not be a game changer and will probably be used primarily to hunt Russian AA systems and knock them out. That mission itself can be instantly deadly if the pilots are not wholly on top of the mission tactic - let alone the complexity of the aircraft and system required for that role.

It doesn't take a year so if the west was serious about this it would've been put in place from the word go but no, economic sanctions were the way to go and how effective they've been I can confirm it take that long or longer.My husband was a MH-47 pilot or CH-47. The schooling was 18months on a helicopter.No where near the capability of a f-16. Then add in SEAD operations I don't care if you are a genius it takes time.

In which case there's absolutely no point in providing the Ukraine with this in the first place. I choose to believe it doesn't take as long as you suggest Sead operations are a orchestra of carnage. Now throw in learning a new operational system completely different. Then get 4 other pilots on that same page. Would you do it in 5 months or a year to be the best at it? "

That's my point....it should've been started when the war started

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By *oo hotCouple 51 weeks ago

North West


"Anyone remember Ukraine?

Has it all gone silent because Ukraine has won?

Or is it just that the globalists and media would prefer not to talk about it now it’s clear (as it always should have been) that Ukraine can’t win?

Russia’s economy growing at 3.2%. And the UK/Eurozone? Looks like sanctions have been suicidal.

So if Ukraine can’t win what is the answer? Give in to Russian aggression?

Putin has stated publicly that the collapse of the Soviet Union was a mistake that needs correcting. Give in to Russia over Ukraine and that ground war will start to get an awful lot closer.

There is no option but for Europe to stand with Ukraine against Putin.

Too little too late, where are the migs and f16’s

Do you know how long it takes to type-convert military pilots?

The technological leap for a pilot converting from (for example) a Sukhoi to an F-16 is absolutely massive and with the amount of Russian anti-aircraft systems on the ground it is completely pointless for anything other than a supremely competent F-16 pilot to take to the air in the combat areas.

In my opinion, the F-16’s will not be a game changer and will probably be used primarily to hunt Russian AA systems and knock them out. That mission itself can be instantly deadly if the pilots are not wholly on top of the mission tactic - let alone the complexity of the aircraft and system required for that role.

It doesn't take a year so if the west was serious about this it would've been put in place from the word go but no, economic sanctions were the way to go and how effective they've been I can confirm it take that long or longer.My husband was a MH-47 pilot or CH-47. The schooling was 18months on a helicopter.No where near the capability of a f-16. Then add in SEAD operations I don't care if you are a genius it takes time.

In which case there's absolutely no point in providing the Ukraine with this in the first place. I choose to believe it doesn't take as long as you suggest "

That’s the way of the world these days seemingly. Ignore the truth and believe what you think.

Point being is that you are ignoring common sense by choosing what you want to believe. Irrespective of the pilots’ very long type-conversions (which is a irrefutable fact) there is an entire monster operation of logistical training for engineers, technicians and air traffic controllers to keep the aircraft safely in the air.

An entire industry has to be trained to ensure that a flight of F-16’s (or indeed any new type) can be operated safely, effectively and efficiently.

This is not Biggles jumping into a biplane and shouting Tally Ho. lol.

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By *oo hotCouple 51 weeks ago

North West


"Anyone remember Ukraine?

Has it all gone silent because Ukraine has won?

Or is it just that the globalists and media would prefer not to talk about it now it’s clear (as it always should have been) that Ukraine can’t win?

Russia’s economy growing at 3.2%. And the UK/Eurozone? Looks like sanctions have been suicidal.

So if Ukraine can’t win what is the answer? Give in to Russian aggression?

Putin has stated publicly that the collapse of the Soviet Union was a mistake that needs correcting. Give in to Russia over Ukraine and that ground war will start to get an awful lot closer.

There is no option but for Europe to stand with Ukraine against Putin.

Too little too late, where are the migs and f16’s

Do you know how long it takes to type-convert military pilots?

The technological leap for a pilot converting from (for example) a Sukhoi to an F-16 is absolutely massive and with the amount of Russian anti-aircraft systems on the ground it is completely pointless for anything other than a supremely competent F-16 pilot to take to the air in the combat areas.

In my opinion, the F-16’s will not be a game changer and will probably be used primarily to hunt Russian AA systems and knock them out. That mission itself can be instantly deadly if the pilots are not wholly on top of the mission tactic - let alone the complexity of the aircraft and system required for that role.

It doesn't take a year so if the west was serious about this it would've been put in place from the word go but no, economic sanctions were the way to go and how effective they've been I can confirm it take that long or longer.My husband was a MH-47 pilot or CH-47. The schooling was 18months on a helicopter.No where near the capability of a f-16. Then add in SEAD operations I don't care if you are a genius it takes time.

In which case there's absolutely no point in providing the Ukraine with this in the first place. I choose to believe it doesn't take as long as you suggest Sead operations are a orchestra of carnage. Now throw in learning a new operational system completely different. Then get 4 other pilots on that same page. Would you do it in 5 months or a year to be the best at it?

That's my point....it should've been started when the war started"

What hindsight you possess. Astonishing.

I wonder why no-one wise thought of that at the time?

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By (user no longer on site) 51 weeks ago


"Anyone remember Ukraine?

Has it all gone silent because Ukraine has won?

Or is it just that the globalists and media would prefer not to talk about it now it’s clear (as it always should have been) that Ukraine can’t win?

Russia’s economy growing at 3.2%. And the UK/Eurozone? Looks like sanctions have been suicidal.

So if Ukraine can’t win what is the answer? Give in to Russian aggression?

Putin has stated publicly that the collapse of the Soviet Union was a mistake that needs correcting. Give in to Russia over Ukraine and that ground war will start to get an awful lot closer.

There is no option but for Europe to stand with Ukraine against Putin.

Too little too late, where are the migs and f16’s

Do you know how long it takes to type-convert military pilots?

The technological leap for a pilot converting from (for example) a Sukhoi to an F-16 is absolutely massive and with the amount of Russian anti-aircraft systems on the ground it is completely pointless for anything other than a supremely competent F-16 pilot to take to the air in the combat areas.

In my opinion, the F-16’s will not be a game changer and will probably be used primarily to hunt Russian AA systems and knock them out. That mission itself can be instantly deadly if the pilots are not wholly on top of the mission tactic - let alone the complexity of the aircraft and system required for that role.

It doesn't take a year so if the west was serious about this it would've been put in place from the word go but no, economic sanctions were the way to go and how effective they've been I can confirm it take that long or longer.My husband was a MH-47 pilot or CH-47. The schooling was 18months on a helicopter.No where near the capability of a f-16. Then add in SEAD operations I don't care if you are a genius it takes time.

In which case there's absolutely no point in providing the Ukraine with this in the first place. I choose to believe it doesn't take as long as you suggest

That’s the way of the world these days seemingly. Ignore the truth and believe what you think.

Point being is that you are ignoring common sense by choosing what you want to believe. Irrespective of the pilots’ very long type-conversions (which is a irrefutable fact) there is an entire monster operation of logistical training for engineers, technicians and air traffic controllers to keep the aircraft safely in the air.

An entire industry has to be trained to ensure that a flight of F-16’s (or indeed any new type) can be operated safely, effectively and efficiently.

This is not Biggles jumping into a biplane and shouting Tally Ho. lol.

"

The goal is to effectively bring the pilot and the aircraft back safely. So they can successfully perform the next mission.

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By *ove2pleaseseukMan 51 weeks ago

Hastings


"Russias economy growing, really according to who. He is fixing interest rates and trade to make it look like its growing. The only true reflection of the russian economy is whats on the shelves, interest rates, and the best and harder to fix is the exchange rate.

Russia is still losing 1000 troops a day, I wonder how that happens if Ukraine has lost.

One thing for sure, if Ukraine loose, and you think it would go quiet then then you need a reality tablet. Eastern Europe will be at war, the Balkans would be chaos. So lets hope and support Ukraine has the strenght andcourage to kick Russia out of its country."

Ukraine is fighting for the rest of EU support or the fight will come closer..

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By *estivalMan 51 weeks ago

borehamwood


"Anyone remember Ukraine?

Has it all gone silent because Ukraine has won?

Or is it just that the globalists and media would prefer not to talk about it now it’s clear (as it always should have been) that Ukraine can’t win?

Russia’s economy growing at 3.2%. And the UK/Eurozone? Looks like sanctions have been suicidal."

nah ukraine aint won and they never were going to, that was just a story sold to those who believe whatever there particular goverment feeds them

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By *amish SMan 51 weeks ago

Eastleigh

This was a year was consolodation, made up of training, establishing logistics, repair facilities, ensuring defensive capability was in place. Once all this is in place and tested then and only then can Ukraine push Russia back. Taking ground is the easy part, keeping it the hard part. If they can't defend what they already hold then it would unwise to try and take back more.

Over winter they will strengthen the air defence, will gain F16, (as above the traing will be completed) and just the fact they have F16 will give something else the Russians need to consider even if the aircraft is not airborne. Better defences, better equipment to advance with. All they need to this winter is sit back and defend and keep destroying the Russian hardware as it appears.

They seem have a well established network of spies, surveillance and sabotage groups in place, these will monitor what moves into the regions the Russians curretly hold.

As time progresses, the situation favours the Ukrainians.

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By *hagTonightMan 51 weeks ago

From the land of haribos.


"Russias economy growing, really according to who. He is fixing interest rates and trade to make it look like its growing. The only true reflection of the russian economy is whats on the shelves, interest rates, and the best and harder to fix is the exchange rate.

Russia is still losing 1000 troops a day, I wonder how that happens if Ukraine has lost.

One thing for sure, if Ukraine loose, and you think it would go quiet then then you need a reality tablet. Eastern Europe will be at war, the Balkans would be chaos. So lets hope and support Ukraine has the strenght andcourage to kick Russia out of its country."

This, russias propaganda is so effective that many believes that their economy is good and that they are winning the war, it is the opposite, the economy is weak and they are losing the war too.

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By *estivalMan 51 weeks ago

borehamwood


"Russias economy growing, really according to who. He is fixing interest rates and trade to make it look like its growing. The only true reflection of the russian economy is whats on the shelves, interest rates, and the best and harder to fix is the exchange rate.

Russia is still losing 1000 troops a day, I wonder how that happens if Ukraine has lost.

One thing for sure, if Ukraine loose, and you think it would go quiet then then you need a reality tablet. Eastern Europe will be at war, the Balkans would be chaos. So lets hope and support Ukraine has the strenght andcourage to kick Russia out of its country.This, russias propaganda is so effective that many believes that their economy is good and that they are winning the war, it is the opposite, the economy is weak and they are losing the war too."

pmsl yea there winning so much there now calling up middle aged men and women for the front, but hey ho to the last ukrainian eh

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By *amantMan 50 weeks ago

Alnmouth

The Ukrainian city of Avdiivka is in the headlines as the Russians are stepping up their attacks. Avdiivka lies just 23km of the occupied city of Donetsk, which has been occupied since 2014. If after launching the biggest ground invasion since the second world war, you have visually confirmed losses of over 2,000 tanks, 200 aircraft, and god alone knows how many men. After all of that, the city of Avdiivka is still Ukrainian after a year and a half of fighting. Sure, Russia is stepping up its attacks and could well take the city soon. But if it takes them that much to get just 23km, what planet do you live on if you think Russia has won?

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By *resesse_MelioremCouple 50 weeks ago

Border of London


"The Ukrainian city of Avdiivka is in the headlines as the Russians are stepping up their attacks. Avdiivka lies just 23km of the occupied city of Donetsk, which has been occupied since 2014. If after launching the biggest ground invasion since the second world war, you have visually confirmed losses of over 2,000 tanks, 200 aircraft, and god alone knows how many men. After all of that, the city of Avdiivka is still Ukrainian after a year and a half of fighting. Sure, Russia is stepping up its attacks and could well take the city soon. But if it takes them that much to get just 23km, what planet do you live on if you think Russia has won? "

It depends on how you define victory?

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By *illowendMan 50 weeks ago

Southwold

Pffff it must have been the ten years of austerity and wage freezes that he put in place

Never again


"I see Cameron has announced sanctions designed to cripple the Russian ability to wage war. Bearing in mind he did the same thing when he was PM and that was ineffective I won't hold my breath

Watched Cameron’s coherent speech at capital hill and wondering how we ended up with Sunak as pm "

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By *hagTonightMan 50 weeks ago

From the land of haribos.


"Russias economy growing, really according to who. He is fixing interest rates and trade to make it look like its growing. The only true reflection of the russian economy is whats on the shelves, interest rates, and the best and harder to fix is the exchange rate.

Russia is still losing 1000 troops a day, I wonder how that happens if Ukraine has lost.

One thing for sure, if Ukraine loose, and you think it would go quiet then then you need a reality tablet. Eastern Europe will be at war, the Balkans would be chaos. So lets hope and support Ukraine has the strenght andcourage to kick Russia out of its country.This, russias propaganda is so effective that many believes that their economy is good and that they are winning the war, it is the opposite, the economy is weak and they are losing the war too.pmsl yea there winning so much there now calling up middle aged men and women for the front, but hey ho to the last ukrainian eh"

I didnt say that russia was winning. I said that people think they are winning because of the russian propaganda is so effective.

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By *inkywife1981Couple 50 weeks ago

A town near you

I read somewhere that most of the troops Russia is using are criminals, mercenaries and conscripts from areas of high unemployment in the Eatern regions who they don't consider "ethnic russians"

While the war is burning through the male population of Ukraine. Rather than all these lives being lost it would have been better to promote a ceasefire instead of adding fuel to the fire in the form of weapons for Ukraine which is only prolonging the war and suffering.

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By *estivalMan 50 weeks ago

borehamwood


"Russias economy growing, really according to who. He is fixing interest rates and trade to make it look like its growing. The only true reflection of the russian economy is whats on the shelves, interest rates, and the best and harder to fix is the exchange rate.

Russia is still losing 1000 troops a day, I wonder how that happens if Ukraine has lost.

One thing for sure, if Ukraine loose, and you think it would go quiet then then you need a reality tablet. Eastern Europe will be at war, the Balkans would be chaos. So lets hope and support Ukraine has the strenght andcourage to kick Russia out of its country.This, russias propaganda is so effective that many believes that their economy is good and that they are winning the war, it is the opposite, the economy is weak and they are losing the war too.pmsl yea there winning so much there now calling up middle aged men and women for the front, but hey ho to the last ukrainian ehI didnt say that russia was winning. I said that people think they are winning because of the russian propaganda is so effective."

so if you think russia isnt winning you must think ukraine are, them recruiting females and middle aged men for the front line would seem to say there running out of soilders, myself i have no team in the fight just saying what it looks like to me, as long as none of out troops get sent to join in the fight then let em fight till the last man standing

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By *eroy1000Man 50 weeks ago

milton keynes


"Russias economy growing, really according to who. He is fixing interest rates and trade to make it look like its growing. The only true reflection of the russian economy is whats on the shelves, interest rates, and the best and harder to fix is the exchange rate.

Russia is still losing 1000 troops a day, I wonder how that happens if Ukraine has lost.

One thing for sure, if Ukraine loose, and you think it would go quiet then then you need a reality tablet. Eastern Europe will be at war, the Balkans would be chaos. So lets hope and support Ukraine has the strenght andcourage to kick Russia out of its country.This, russias propaganda is so effective that many believes that their economy is good and that they are winning the war, it is the opposite, the economy is weak and they are losing the war too.pmsl yea there winning so much there now calling up middle aged men and women for the front, but hey ho to the last ukrainian ehI didnt say that russia was winning. I said that people think they are winning because of the russian propaganda is so effective.so if you think russia isnt winning you must think ukraine are, them recruiting females and middle aged men for the front line would seem to say there running out of soilders, myself i have no team in the fight just saying what it looks like to me, as long as none of out troops get sent to join in the fight then let em fight till the last man standing"

I try to catch up with a few regular people on you tube. Some are pro Ukraine and some American ex servicemen. The pro Ukraine people are more critical of Ukrainian strategy to date oddly. It looks very much like a stalemate at present and with bad weather it slows things down. Ukraine can't get through all the well prepared Russian defence lines especially the minefields and Russia although taking ground ever so slowly are using WW1 mass infantry wave after wave type assaults. It gains them a few hundred meters at a time but at colossal cost hence the need to keep recruiting. Every now and then, if possible Ukrainian hit back and retake the newly lost land that Russia lost so many men taking but Ukraine cannot afford the losses in men that Russia can. It's not looking like it will end anytime soon sadly

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By *hagTonightMan 50 weeks ago

From the land of haribos.


"Russias economy growing, really according to who. He is fixing interest rates and trade to make it look like its growing. The only true reflection of the russian economy is whats on the shelves, interest rates, and the best and harder to fix is the exchange rate.

Russia is still losing 1000 troops a day, I wonder how that happens if Ukraine has lost.

One thing for sure, if Ukraine loose, and you think it would go quiet then then you need a reality tablet. Eastern Europe will be at war, the Balkans would be chaos. So lets hope and support Ukraine has the strenght andcourage to kick Russia out of its country.This, russias propaganda is so effective that many believes that their economy is good and that they are winning the war, it is the opposite, the economy is weak and they are losing the war too.pmsl yea there winning so much there now calling up middle aged men and women for the front, but hey ho to the last ukrainian ehI didnt say that russia was winning. I said that people think they are winning because of the russian propaganda is so effective.so if you think russia isnt winning you must think ukraine are, them recruiting females and middle aged men for the front line would seem to say there running out of soilders, myself i have no team in the fight just saying what it looks like to me, as long as none of out troops get sent to join in the fight then let em fight till the last man standing

I try to catch up with a few regular people on you tube. Some are pro Ukraine and some American ex servicemen. The pro Ukraine people are more critical of Ukrainian strategy to date oddly. It looks very much like a stalemate at present and with bad weather it slows things down. Ukraine can't get through all the well prepared Russian defence lines especially the minefields and Russia although taking ground ever so slowly are using WW1 mass infantry wave after wave type assaults. It gains them a few hundred meters at a time but at colossal cost hence the need to keep recruiting. Every now and then, if possible Ukrainian hit back and retake the newly lost land that Russia lost so many men taking but Ukraine cannot afford the losses in men that Russia can. It's not looking like it will end anytime soon sadly"

Yes and same here. I also like to catch up on it and yes, there are many pro russians too. I think that many are listening to macgregor, which explains why they think that russia will win, one who I like is "inside russia" he talks a lot about russia and their economy and it is not looking good, he is very informative.

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By *amantMan 50 weeks ago

Alnmouth


"The Ukrainian city of Avdiivka is in the headlines as the Russians are stepping up their attacks. Avdiivka lies just 23km of the occupied city of Donetsk, which has been occupied since 2014. If after launching the biggest ground invasion since the second world war, you have visually confirmed losses of over 2,000 tanks, 200 aircraft, and god alone knows how many men. After all of that, the city of Avdiivka is still Ukrainian after a year and a half of fighting. Sure, Russia is stepping up its attacks and could well take the city soon. But if it takes them that much to get just 23km, what planet do you live on if you think Russia has won?

It depends on how you define victory?

"

Define it based on what they said at the start. They wanted NATO not to expand. Failure. 23km from Donetsk in a year and a half doesn't sound like winning when you're the global superpower against people you view as brothers.

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By *hrimper36Couple 50 weeks ago

Central France dept 36


"Anyone remember Ukraine?

Has it all gone silent because Ukraine has won?

Or is it just that the globalists and media would prefer not to talk about it now it’s clear (as it always should have been) that Ukraine can’t win?

Russia’s economy growing at 3.2%. And the UK/Eurozone? Looks like sanctions have been suicidal."

Are you Russian by any chance ????

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By *mateur100Man 50 weeks ago

nr faversham


"Anyone remember Ukraine?

Has it all gone silent because Ukraine has won?

Or is it just that the globalists and media would prefer not to talk about it now it’s clear (as it always should have been) that Ukraine can’t win?

Russia’s economy growing at 3.2%. And the UK/Eurozone? Looks like sanctions have been suicidal.

So if Ukraine can’t win what is the answer? Give in to Russian aggression?

Putin has stated publicly that the collapse of the Soviet Union was a mistake that needs correcting. Give in to Russia over Ukraine and that ground war will start to get an awful lot closer.

There is no option but for Europe to stand with Ukraine against Putin.

Too little too late, where are the migs and f16’s

Do you know how long it takes to type-convert military pilots?

The technological leap for a pilot converting from (for example) a Sukhoi to an F-16 is absolutely massive and with the amount of Russian anti-aircraft systems on the ground it is completely pointless for anything other than a supremely competent F-16 pilot to take to the air in the combat areas.

In my opinion, the F-16’s will not be a game changer and will probably be used primarily to hunt Russian AA systems and knock them out. That mission itself can be instantly deadly if the pilots are not wholly on top of the mission tactic - let alone the complexity of the aircraft and system required for that role.

It doesn't take a year so if the west was serious about this it would've been put in place from the word go but no, economic sanctions were the way to go and how effective they've been I can confirm it take that long or longer.My husband was a MH-47 pilot or CH-47. The schooling was 18months on a helicopter.No where near the capability of a f-16. Then add in SEAD operations I don't care if you are a genius it takes time.

In which case there's absolutely no point in providing the Ukraine with this in the first place. I choose to believe it doesn't take as long as you suggest Sead operations are a orchestra of carnage. Now throw in learning a new operational system completely different. Then get 4 other pilots on that same page. Would you do it in 5 months or a year to be the best at it?

That's my point....it should've been started when the war started

What hindsight you possess. Astonishing.

I wonder why no-one wise thought of that at the time?"

Because they were afraid of the threats of escalation made by Putin. And there's no need for the sarcasm. If you dig out the old threads you'll find I stated this at the start of the war AND that as soon as it started, Russia had already won.

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By *amish SMan 50 weeks ago

Eastleigh

Everyone has a side in this fight, and if you don't think it is affecting you then where have you been. Rising prices, steel supplies, all affect everyday prices.

Russia has made it clear that they intend to return the borders to those prior to 1991, the big mistake is to think they would stop after gaining Ukraine. Had they picked Belarus to invade then we would be looking at different borders today, by invading Ukraine and failing in his aim to take the country in 3 days, every other Baltic country has now up armed itself making Putins plan a lot harder to achieve.

The sooner the USA realise they will lose more in trade if Ukraine falls the better, maybe they'll approve funds.

I suspect the Chinese are more in bed with the Americans than the Chinese are with Putin. Russia has lots of what China wants, and it needs to sell to the USA. Broken economies sell cheap, Russia will eventually need to sell cheap to the Chinese, then sell to the USA, a win win for both. Both China and USA want to see a weaker broken Russia, it benefits both.

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By *oubleswing2019Man 50 weeks ago

Colchester


"Broken economies sell cheap, Russia will eventually need to sell cheap to the Chinese, then sell to the USA, a win win for both. Both China and USA want to see a weaker broken Russia, it benefits both."

Agreed. China always play the "long game" as in "decades long. Generations long."

They are further cementing their dominance in world trade. But you need markets to sell to.

They will sit on the fence as usual, until it's clear one side has the upper hand, and that side will be their preferred partner. And they'll still be "friends" with the other side, because that's how they play the game.

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By (user no longer on site) OP    50 weeks ago


"Anyone remember Ukraine?

Has it all gone silent because Ukraine has won?

Or is it just that the globalists and media would prefer not to talk about it now it’s clear (as it always should have been) that Ukraine can’t win?

Russia’s economy growing at 3.2%. And the UK/Eurozone? Looks like sanctions have been suicidal.

Are you Russian by any chance ????"

Why, is it only Russians who can see the futility of the West’s stance?

Europe is pretty much irrelevant to the war in Ukraine, it wouldn’t survive a few days in a war with Russia. Only the US can keep funding the Ukrainian oligarchs and the US is losing patience already. Why should the US waste billions and face another decades long Afghanistan style humiliation over some strategically irrelevant rubble?

Frankly the West hasn’t won a war in decades. Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria, Libya. All a disaster.

The Ukrainians should have run a mile the second the US told them it would support them to the end.

And the average age of the Ukrainian soldier is what, 42? Where have all the younger ones gone?

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By *0shadesOfFilthMan 50 weeks ago

nearby


"

And the average age of the Ukrainian soldier is what, 42? Where have all the younger ones gone?"

If there was a mobilisation of uk males, the average age would be 41.2 years

https://www.globaldata.com

data insights uk

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By *mateur100Man 50 weeks ago

nr faversham

I would suggest that the younger men are dead. These are people who are prepared to fight (unlike the majority of the Afghan males who gave up despite superiority in every area over the Taliban) but they are up against an agressor with far more military might than them. They are pretty much a shield for the west and the west doesn't have the balls to support them. God help the rest of Europe if/when Russia decides to try pushing further because the west is soft and has no appetite for war. Without the much maligned Americans the mighty NATO wouldn't exist. If Ukraine is abandoned as it surely will be, the west can expect a world of shit because China is watching

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By *oubleswing2019Man 50 weeks ago

Colchester


"God help the rest of Europe if/when Russia decides to try pushing further because the west is soft and has no appetite for war."

No appetite for war ? Do you know just how many NATO units are poised and eager to be unleashed in that operational theatre ? There are units actively ready in Romania, Finland, and various other nations, itching to go. Just one deliberate missile, one incursion in to NATO territory, and that's all they need. These units have been there for over a year, and they haven't turned their engines off yet.

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By *0shadesOfFilthMan 50 weeks ago

nearby


"I would suggest that the younger men are dead. These are people who are prepared to fight (unlike the majority of the Afghan males who gave up despite superiority in every area over the Taliban) but they are up against an agressor with far more military might than them. They are pretty much a shield for the west and the west doesn't have the balls to support them. God help the rest of Europe if/when Russia decides to try pushing further because the west is soft and has no appetite for war. Without the much maligned Americans the mighty NATO wouldn't exist. If Ukraine is abandoned as it surely will be, the west can expect a world of shit because China is watching"

The reason for the age ststed at 42 is because the mobilisation is 18-60, the average being 42 based on Ukrainian demography.

Google the same data for other European countries snd it will be similar

Nothing at all to do with fatalities.

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By *irldnCouple 50 weeks ago

Brighton

Always amazed at the number of military strategists we have on Fab. What a rich and varied community we enjoy!

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By (user no longer on site) OP    50 weeks ago


"God help the rest of Europe if/when Russia decides to try pushing further because the west is soft and has no appetite for war.

No appetite for war ? Do you know just how many NATO units are poised and eager to be unleashed in that operational theatre ? There are units actively ready in Romania, Finland, and various other nations, itching to go. Just one deliberate missile, one incursion in to NATO territory, and that's all they need. These units have been there for over a year, and they haven't turned their engines off yet."

Interesting commentary in the Wall Street Journal a couple of days ago on European military preparedness:

“The British military—the leading U.S. military ally and Europe’s biggest defense spender—has only around 150 deployable tanks and perhaps a dozen serviceable long-range artillery pieces. So bare was the cupboard that last year the British military considered sourcing multiple rocket launchers from museums to upgrade and donate to Ukraine, an idea that was dropped.

France, the next biggest spender, has fewer than 90 heavy artillery pieces, equivalent to what Russia loses roughly every month on the Ukraine battlefield. Denmark has no heavy artillery, submarines or air-defense systems. Germany’s army has enough ammunition for two days of battle”.

The EU promised Ukraine 1 million artillery rounds by March 2024 but is now admitting that it can’t reach this target as it can’t manufacture the rounds.

Europe just isn’t a serious military player any longer. And the US is losing interest in Ukraine.

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By *ohnnyTwoNotesMan 50 weeks ago

golden fields


"God help the rest of Europe if/when Russia decides to try pushing further because the west is soft and has no appetite for war.

No appetite for war ? Do you know just how many NATO units are poised and eager to be unleashed in that operational theatre ? There are units actively ready in Romania, Finland, and various other nations, itching to go. Just one deliberate missile, one incursion in to NATO territory, and that's all they need. These units have been there for over a year, and they haven't turned their engines off yet.

Interesting commentary in the Wall Street Journal a couple of days ago on European military preparedness:

“The British military—the leading U.S. military ally and Europe’s biggest defense spender—has only around 150 deployable tanks and perhaps a dozen serviceable long-range artillery pieces. So bare was the cupboard that last year the British military considered sourcing multiple rocket launchers from museums to upgrade and donate to Ukraine, an idea that was dropped.

France, the next biggest spender, has fewer than 90 heavy artillery pieces, equivalent to what Russia loses roughly every month on the Ukraine battlefield. Denmark has no heavy artillery, submarines or air-defense systems. Germany’s army has enough ammunition for two days of battle”.

The EU promised Ukraine 1 million artillery rounds by March 2024 but is now admitting that it can’t reach this target as it can’t manufacture the rounds.

Europe just isn’t a serious military player any longer. And the US is losing interest in Ukraine.

"

We spent £45.9 billion on defence in the 2021/2022 tax year.

Someone is getting rich for doing fuck all.

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By *rDiscretionXXXMan 50 weeks ago

Gilfach


"We spent £45.9 billion on defence in the 2021/2022 tax year.

Someone is getting rich for doing fuck all."

My experience of working for defence projects is that they are ineptly managed, and the vast majority of the money is wasted, with no one ending up getting rich.

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By *otMe66Man 50 weeks ago

Terra Firma


"Always amazed at the number of military strategists we have on Fab. What a rich and varied community we enjoy! "

Did your spell checker auto correct militant to military?

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By *mateur100Man 50 weeks ago

nr faversham


"I would suggest that the younger men are dead. These are people who are prepared to fight (unlike the majority of the Afghan males who gave up despite superiority in every area over the Taliban) but they are up against an agressor with far more military might than them. They are pretty much a shield for the west and the west doesn't have the balls to support them. God help the rest of Europe if/when Russia decides to try pushing further because the west is soft and has no appetite for war. Without the much maligned Americans the mighty NATO wouldn't exist. If Ukraine is abandoned as it surely will be, the west can expect a world of shit because China is watching

The reason for the age ststed at 42 is because the mobilisation is 18-60, the average being 42 based on Ukrainian demography.

Google the same data for other European countries snd it will be similar

Nothing at all to do with fatalities. "

And what does your post mean?

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By *oubleswing2019Man 50 weeks ago

Colchester


"

Interesting commentary in the Wall Street Journal a couple of days ago on European military preparedness:

"

That's the great thing about journalists. You can feed them anything and they'll publish it.

.

The WSJ would know better than to publish highly sensitive info of this nature unless it had been "cleared" by others.

.

That tells me all I need to know about the "article". The veneer of having come from the WSJ means nothing. If anything, it's deliberately wrapped, and neither you or I are the intended audience.

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By *irldnCouple 50 weeks ago

Brighton


"Always amazed at the number of military strategists we have on Fab. What a rich and varied community we enjoy!

Did your spell checker auto correct militant to military? "

That would have been funny

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By *mateur100Man 50 weeks ago

nr faversham

I see Hungary has vetoed the latest aid package for Ukraine. Hoping to reach an agreement by the end of January! Time is of the essence yet they continue to dither...it could be all over by then! Another Brexit bonus in my book.

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By *exy_HornyCouple 50 weeks ago

Leigh

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By *exy_HornyCouple 50 weeks ago

Leigh


"I see Hungary has vetoed the latest aid package for Ukraine. Hoping to reach an agreement by the end of January! Time is of the essence yet they continue to dither...it could be all over by then! Another Brexit bonus in my book. "

Orban is Putin's puppet.

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By *ohnnyTwoNotesMan 50 weeks ago

golden fields


"I see Hungary has vetoed the latest aid package for Ukraine. Hoping to reach an agreement by the end of January! Time is of the essence yet they continue to dither...it could be all over by then! Another Brexit bonus in my book. "

"Another"!!!

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By *estivalMan 50 weeks ago

borehamwood


"I see Hungary has vetoed the latest aid package for Ukraine. Hoping to reach an agreement by the end of January! Time is of the essence yet they continue to dither...it could be all over by then! Another Brexit bonus in my book. "
isnt that hungarys right to veto something they dont agree with, just because there in the eu dosent mean they have to do what the eu wants

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By *hagTonightMan 50 weeks ago

From the land of haribos.


"I see Hungary has vetoed the latest aid package for Ukraine. Hoping to reach an agreement by the end of January! Time is of the essence yet they continue to dither...it could be all over by then! Another Brexit bonus in my book.

Orban is Putin's puppet."

This .

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By (user no longer on site) OP    50 weeks ago


"

Interesting commentary in the Wall Street Journal a couple of days ago on European military preparedness:

That's the great thing about journalists. You can feed them anything and they'll publish it.

.

The WSJ would know better than to publish highly sensitive info of this nature unless it had been "cleared" by others.

.

That tells me all I need to know about the "article". The veneer of having come from the WSJ means nothing. If anything, it's deliberately wrapped, and neither you or I are the intended audience.

"

I’m doubtful the information is highly sensitive. I’m sure it’s readily available from other sources if one can be bothered to look.

It shouldn’t come as a surprise to anyone that Europe’s military capability is a shambles.

Given that the West’s military interventions over the past few decades have been one fiasco after another I’m just amazed that there are still people around who a) believe anything Western governments say about the need for intervention and b) think the West is going to win anything.

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By *eroy1000Man 50 weeks ago

milton keynes


"I see Hungary has vetoed the latest aid package for Ukraine. Hoping to reach an agreement by the end of January! Time is of the essence yet they continue to dither...it could be all over by then! Another Brexit bonus in my book. isnt that hungarys right to veto something they dont agree with, just because there in the eu dosent mean they have to do what the eu wants"

It is indeed their right, for now anyway but I fully expect them to eventually agree once they have either got concessions on other topics or the EU play hard ball and hold back funding.

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By *mateur100Man 50 weeks ago

nr faversham


"I see Hungary has vetoed the latest aid package for Ukraine. Hoping to reach an agreement by the end of January! Time is of the essence yet they continue to dither...it could be all over by then! Another Brexit bonus in my book. isnt that hungarys right to veto something they dont agree with, just because there in the eu dosent mean they have to do what the eu wants

It is indeed their right, for now anyway but I fully expect them to eventually agree once they have either got concessions on other topics or the EU play hard ball and hold back funding. "

Absolutely it is their right. However I question how 1 out of 27 can wield so much power. I disagree, always have, always will

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By *estivalMan 50 weeks ago

borehamwood


"I see Hungary has vetoed the latest aid package for Ukraine. Hoping to reach an agreement by the end of January! Time is of the essence yet they continue to dither...it could be all over by then! Another Brexit bonus in my book. isnt that hungarys right to veto something they dont agree with, just because there in the eu dosent mean they have to do what the eu wants

It is indeed their right, for now anyway but I fully expect them to eventually agree once they have either got concessions on other topics or the EU play hard ball and hold back funding.

Absolutely it is their right. However I question how 1 out of 27 can wield so much power. I disagree, always have, always will "

one can weild so much power because as it stands everyone in the eu has to agree,

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By *mateur100Man 50 weeks ago

nr faversham


"I see Hungary has vetoed the latest aid package for Ukraine. Hoping to reach an agreement by the end of January! Time is of the essence yet they continue to dither...it could be all over by then! Another Brexit bonus in my book. isnt that hungarys right to veto something they dont agree with, just because there in the eu dosent mean they have to do what the eu wants

It is indeed their right, for now anyway but I fully expect them to eventually agree once they have either got concessions on other topics or the EU play hard ball and hold back funding.

Absolutely it is their right. However I question how 1 out of 27 can wield so much power. I disagree, always have, always will one can weild so much power because as it stands everyone in the eu has to agree, "

Which is another Brexit bonus

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By *mateur100Man 49 weeks ago

nr faversham

And now Ukraine is having to cut back on military operations due to a lack of aid from the west. Still, the EU and Europe will be able to defend themselves in the event of a conventional war... shameful

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