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"What's your point caller? " I am posting so people can read the twitter thread. So that they can realise there's a vast difference in reporting from Unverified Al jazeera and hamas claims. Vs showing video evidence to independent journalists. | |||
"@spencerguard on twitter. I just watched the roughly 45-minute footage of October 7th at a private screening in NYC. Here are my immediate thoughts minutes after watching it. Israel providing actual evidence to 3rd parties while Hamas and Al Jazeera provide none. " so others are clear, this is the first tweet, not Morley saying he's watched the video. I'm not sure anyone has denied that hamas have caused attrocitoes and have targeted civilians. Some have questioned a few of the Israeli claims and / or wording. I can imagine your point is that hamas have no evidence of similar Israeli crimes. But not 100pc | |||
"@spencerguard on twitter. I just watched the roughly 45-minute footage of October 7th at a private screening in NYC. Here are my immediate thoughts minutes after watching it. Israel providing actual evidence to 3rd parties while Hamas and Al Jazeera provide none. so others are clear, this is the first tweet, not Morley saying he's watched the video. I'm not sure anyone has denied that hamas have caused attrocitoes and have targeted civilians. Some have questioned a few of the Israeli claims and / or wording. I can imagine your point is that hamas have no evidence of similar Israeli crimes. But not 100pc " This is the sort of nonsense he does all the time. Posts something then gets other people to try and argue his point for him, hence my comment. | |||
"@spencerguard on twitter. I just watched the roughly 45-minute footage of October 7th at a private screening in NYC. Here are my immediate thoughts minutes after watching it. Israel providing actual evidence to 3rd parties while Hamas and Al Jazeera provide none. so others are clear, this is the first tweet, not Morley saying he's watched the video. I'm not sure anyone has denied that hamas have caused attrocitoes and have targeted civilians. Some have questioned a few of the Israeli claims and / or wording. I can imagine your point is that hamas have no evidence of similar Israeli crimes. But not 100pc " When the attacks happened we had some extraordinary mental gymnastics over it not happening. I couldn’t quite believe it to be honest. | |||
"@spencerguard on twitter. I just watched the roughly 45-minute footage of October 7th at a private screening in NYC. Here are my immediate thoughts minutes after watching it. Israel providing actual evidence to 3rd parties while Hamas and Al Jazeera provide none. so others are clear, this is the first tweet, not Morley saying he's watched the video. I'm not sure anyone has denied that hamas have caused attrocitoes and have targeted civilians. Some have questioned a few of the Israeli claims and / or wording. I can imagine your point is that hamas have no evidence of similar Israeli crimes. But not 100pc " precisely. Israel jave video , photo footage that they are showing independent new sources. Hamas on the other hand, seem to be making up news and numbers that can't be verified. | |||
"@spencerguard on twitter. I just watched the roughly 45-minute footage of October 7th at a private screening in NYC. Here are my immediate thoughts minutes after watching it. Israel providing actual evidence to 3rd parties while Hamas and Al Jazeera provide none. so others are clear, this is the first tweet, not Morley saying he's watched the video. I'm not sure anyone has denied that hamas have caused attrocitoes and have targeted civilians. Some have questioned a few of the Israeli claims and / or wording. I can imagine your point is that hamas have no evidence of similar Israeli crimes. But not 100pc This is the sort of nonsense he does all the time. Posts something then gets other people to try and argue his point for him, hence my comment." Not at all. My point is and always has been. Hamas refuse to give evidence of anything they claim. Israel are giving evidence out to 3rd parties. There's a very big difference in how each nation goes about confirming its claims. This is why I typically wait for non Israeli journos drs etc to post when they have been given the evidence. Not just re post Israeli news outlets and Palestinian ones. And why I constantly ask for independent sources of claims made on these threads. | |||
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"Is your assertion that al Jazeera are not a reliable source? " Yes. | |||
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"It's also my assertion anything out of israel news outlets is notmofficial and why I am waiting for independent journalists from western nations to view the footage and photos before i typically comment. Feel free to read the twitter thread." ive read the thread. I'm not clear who hosted the private viewing. Do you know ? | |||
"It's also my assertion anything out of israel news outlets is notmofficial and why I am waiting for independent journalists from western nations to view the footage and photos before i typically comment. Feel free to read the twitter thread.ive read the thread. I'm not clear who hosted the private viewing. Do you know ? " Jesus you don't half ask a lot of redundant questions hovis. It almost gets tk the point of annoyance. | |||
"It's also my assertion anything out of israel news outlets is notmofficial and why I am waiting for independent journalists from western nations to view the footage and photos before i typically comment. Feel free to read the twitter thread.ive read the thread. I'm not clear who hosted the private viewing. Do you know ? Jesus you don't half ask a lot of redundant questions hovis. It almost gets tk the point of annoyance." ignore me then. But imo the validity of the video isn't from who's viewed them but who provided them. Hamas propoganda wouldn't become verified just because a BBC reporter watched it and reported on it. You'd rightly call that out. | |||
"It's also my assertion anything out of israel news outlets is notmofficial and why I am waiting for independent journalists from western nations to view the footage and photos before i typically comment. Feel free to read the twitter thread.ive read the thread. I'm not clear who hosted the private viewing. Do you know ? Jesus you don't half ask a lot of redundant questions hovis. It almost gets tk the point of annoyance.ignore me then. But imo the validity of the video isn't from who's viewed them but who provided them. Hamas propoganda wouldn't become verified just because a BBC reporter watched it and reported on it. You'd rightly call that out. " If hamas took time to show it to a room full of independent reporters. I would. This is not the case with Hamas. It is the case with Israel. | |||
"It's also my assertion anything out of israel news outlets is notmofficial and why I am waiting for independent journalists from western nations to view the footage and photos before i typically comment. Feel free to read the twitter thread.ive read the thread. I'm not clear who hosted the private viewing. Do you know ? Jesus you don't half ask a lot of redundant questions hovis. It almost gets tk the point of annoyance.ignore me then. But imo the validity of the video isn't from who's viewed them but who provided them. Hamas propoganda wouldn't become verified just because a BBC reporter watched it and reported on it. You'd rightly call that out. If hamas took time to show it to a room full of independent reporters. I would. This is not the case with Hamas. It is the case with Israel." fair enough. We draw the line in different places.  | |||
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"@AlexCrawfordSky · It is absolutely farcical to try to peddle the view that foreign journalists are not entering Gaza because it’s ‘dangerous’. International journalists have been delib blocked from entering #Gaza by primarily #Israel who doesnt want them seeing the war crimes. Well, we won't be able to see what Israel is up to at all cos they have blocked journalists from getting in. They can only see what Israel wants to show them. " It's a active combat zone. Imagine if a journalist from a major news agency where killed in a Israeli airstrike. So yes Israel is taking precautions against the possibilities of that backlash. Kudos to Israel. | |||
"It's also my assertion anything out of israel news outlets is notmofficial and why I am waiting for independent journalists from western nations to view the footage and photos before i typically comment. Feel free to read the twitter thread.ive read the thread. I'm not clear who hosted the private viewing. Do you know ? " Doesn't matter. Some bloke on twitter said it's all good. That's enough for some people who've already made up their mind. | |||
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"@AlexCrawfordSky · It is absolutely farcical to try to peddle the view that foreign journalists are not entering Gaza because it’s ‘dangerous’. International journalists have been delib blocked from entering #Gaza by primarily #Israel who doesnt want them seeing the war crimes. Well, we won't be able to see what Israel is up to at all cos they have blocked journalists from getting in. They can only see what Israel wants to show them. It's a active combat zone. Imagine if a journalist from a major news agency where killed in a Israeli airstrike. So yes Israel is taking precautions against the possibilities of that backlash. Kudos to Israel." if journolists wana take there chances going in there then israel shouldnt be stopping them, you have to ask what does the idf not want them seeing,and i still dont see why israel will show there footage to hand picked people but wont let anyone else see it, prob something to do with there not being 40 beheaded babies like they claimed | |||
"@AlexCrawfordSky · It is absolutely farcical to try to peddle the view that foreign journalists are not entering Gaza because it’s ‘dangerous’. International journalists have been delib blocked from entering #Gaza by primarily #Israel who doesnt want them seeing the war crimes. Well, we won't be able to see what Israel is up to at all cos they have blocked journalists from getting in. They can only see what Israel wants to show them. It's a active combat zone. Imagine if a journalist from a major news agency where killed in a Israeli airstrike. So yes Israel is taking precautions against the possibilities of that backlash. Kudos to Israel." But there have been over 100 un aid workers killed so why are only jounalist not getting into a war zone? | |||
"@AlexCrawfordSky · It is absolutely farcical to try to peddle the view that foreign journalists are not entering Gaza because it’s ‘dangerous’. International journalists have been delib blocked from entering #Gaza by primarily #Israel who doesnt want them seeing the war crimes. Well, we won't be able to see what Israel is up to at all cos they have blocked journalists from getting in. They can only see what Israel wants to show them. It's a active combat zone. Imagine if a journalist from a major news agency where killed in a Israeli airstrike. So yes Israel is taking precautions against the possibilities of that backlash. Kudos to Israel. But there have been over 100 un aid workers killed so why are only jounalist not getting into a war zone?" Because they are not allowed. Egypt has even banned journalists from entering Gaza. Media is a detrment to the ongoing Israeli operations. IDF goal is to eliminate Hamas. Not to cater to news channels. | |||
"@AlexCrawfordSky · It is absolutely farcical to try to peddle the view that foreign journalists are not entering Gaza because it’s ‘dangerous’. International journalists have been delib blocked from entering #Gaza by primarily #Israel who doesnt want them seeing the war crimes. Well, we won't be able to see what Israel is up to at all cos they have blocked journalists from getting in. They can only see what Israel wants to show them. It's a active combat zone. Imagine if a journalist from a major news agency where killed in a Israeli airstrike. So yes Israel is taking precautions against the possibilities of that backlash. Kudos to Israel. But there have been over 100 un aid workers killed so why are only jounalist not getting into a war zone? Because they are not allowed. Egypt has even banned journalists from entering Gaza. Media is a detrment to the ongoing Israeli operations. IDF goal is to eliminate Hamas. Not to cater to news channels." A detrement who ? and why let un aid workers in and then bomb and kill them ? | |||
"@AlexCrawfordSky · It is absolutely farcical to try to peddle the view that foreign journalists are not entering Gaza because it’s ‘dangerous’. International journalists have been delib blocked from entering #Gaza by primarily #Israel who doesnt want them seeing the war crimes. Well, we won't be able to see what Israel is up to at all cos they have blocked journalists from getting in. They can only see what Israel wants to show them. It's a active combat zone. Imagine if a journalist from a major news agency where killed in a Israeli airstrike. So yes Israel is taking precautions against the possibilities of that backlash. Kudos to Israel. But there have been over 100 un aid workers killed so why are only jounalist not getting into a war zone? Because they are not allowed. Egypt has even banned journalists from entering Gaza. Media is a detrment to the ongoing Israeli operations. IDF goal is to eliminate Hamas. Not to cater to news channels. A detrement who ? and why let un aid workers in and then bomb and kill them ?" detrement how ? | |||
"It's also my assertion anything out of israel news outlets is notmofficial and why I am waiting for independent journalists from western nations to view the footage and photos before i typically comment. Feel free to read the twitter thread.ive read the thread. I'm not clear who hosted the private viewing. Do you know ? Doesn't matter. Some bloke on twitter said it's all good. That's enough for some people who've already made up their mind. " As stated previously they have shown multiple people. This is just another one reporting what he saw. | |||
"Don't see a problem. Information and mis-information in news reports and social media is a large part of war, both sides will do it to further their case. It's how the person viewing it judges how accurate it us." I agree. And certainly before israel has used misinformation. But independent journalists have viewed this form other countries and reported the evidence. We await hamas doing the same. | |||
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"It's also my assertion anything out of israel news outlets is notmofficial and why I am waiting for independent journalists from western nations to view the footage and photos before i typically comment. Feel free to read the twitter thread.ive read the thread. I'm not clear who hosted the private viewing. Do you know ? Doesn't matter. Some bloke on twitter said it's all good. That's enough for some people who've already made up their mind. As stated previously they have shown multiple people. This is just another one reporting what he saw. " Apologies, * some bloke on twitter and a couple of other random punters. | |||
"It's also my assertion anything out of israel news outlets is notmofficial and why I am waiting for independent journalists from western nations to view the footage and photos before i typically comment. Feel free to read the twitter thread.ive read the thread. I'm not clear who hosted the private viewing. Do you know ? Doesn't matter. Some bloke on twitter said it's all good. That's enough for some people who've already made up their mind. As stated previously they have shown multiple people. This is just another one reporting what he saw. Apologies, * some bloke on twitter and a couple of other random punters. "No...you jave been told before..journslists. journalists af neil holds in high regard. | |||
"It's also my assertion anything out of israel news outlets is notmofficial and why I am waiting for independent journalists from western nations to view the footage and photos before i typically comment. Feel free to read the twitter thread.ive read the thread. I'm not clear who hosted the private viewing. Do you know ? Doesn't matter. Some bloke on twitter said it's all good. That's enough for some people who've already made up their mind. As stated previously they have shown multiple people. This is just another one reporting what he saw. Apologies, * some bloke on twitter and a couple of other random punters. " | |||
"It's also my assertion anything out of israel news outlets is notmofficial and why I am waiting for independent journalists from western nations to view the footage and photos before i typically comment. Feel free to read the twitter thread.ive read the thread. I'm not clear who hosted the private viewing. Do you know ? Doesn't matter. Some bloke on twitter said it's all good. That's enough for some people who've already made up their mind. As stated previously they have shown multiple people. This is just another one reporting what he saw. Apologies, * some bloke on twitter and a couple of other random punters.
No...you jave been told before..journslists. journalists af neil holds in high regard.
"Do these independent jounalists have names ? | |||
"It's also my assertion anything out of israel news outlets is notmofficial and why I am waiting for independent journalists from western nations to view the footage and photos before i typically comment. Feel free to read the twitter thread.ive read the thread. I'm not clear who hosted the private viewing. Do you know ? Doesn't matter. Some bloke on twitter said it's all good. That's enough for some people who've already made up their mind. As stated previously they have shown multiple people. This is just another one reporting what he saw. Apologies, * some bloke on twitter and a couple of other random punters.
No...you jave been told before..journslists. journalists af neil holds in high regard.
"Apologies * some bloke on twitter and a couple of other random punters that may or may not be journalists that some other lad called Neil holds in high regard. | |||
"It's also my assertion anything out of israel news outlets is notmofficial and why I am waiting for independent journalists from western nations to view the footage and photos before i typically comment. Feel free to read the twitter thread.ive read the thread. I'm not clear who hosted the private viewing. Do you know ? Doesn't matter. Some bloke on twitter said it's all good. That's enough for some people who've already made up their mind. As stated previously they have shown multiple people. This is just another one reporting what he saw. Apologies, * some bloke on twitter and a couple of other random punters.
No...you jave been told before..journslists. journalists af neil holds in high regard.
Do these independent jounalists have names ?"One is already provided. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/oct/23/israel-shows-footage-of-hamas-killings-to-counter-denial-of-atrocities | |||
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"It's also my assertion anything out of israel news outlets is notmofficial and why I am waiting for independent journalists from western nations to view the footage and photos before i typically comment. Feel free to read the twitter thread.ive read the thread. I'm not clear who hosted the private viewing. Do you know ? Doesn't matter. Some bloke on twitter said it's all good. That's enough for some people who've already made up their mind. As stated previously they have shown multiple people. This is just another one reporting what he saw. Apologies, * some bloke on twitter and a couple of other random punters.
No...you jave been told before..journslists. journalists af neil holds in high regard.
Do these independent jounalists have names ?
One is already provided.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/oct/23/israel-shows-footage-of-hamas-killings-to-counter-denial-of-atrocities
"cant get the link ,and since its the gaurdian id rather not anyway | |||
"https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12665359/Some-audience-whispered-make-stop-leaned-against-wall-cried-Journalists-watched-Israeli-compilation-Hamas-terror-footage-including-young-girl-shot-dead-hid-desk-reveal-left-horrified.html" Is it isreali jounalists | |||
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"https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12665359/Some-audience-whispered-make-stop-leaned-against-wall-cried-Journalists-watched-Israeli-compilation-Hamas-terror-footage-including-young-girl-shot-dead-hid-desk-reveal-left-horrified.html Is it isreali jounalists" Some will be Jewish. . E.g the BBC correspondent is Others are not. | |||
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"https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12665359/Some-audience-whispered-make-stop-leaned-against-wall-cried-Journalists-watched-Israeli-compilation-Hamas-terror-footage-including-young-girl-shot-dead-hid-desk-reveal-left-horrified.html Is it isreali jounalists" Fine let's send Tucker Carlson to report from Gaza. | |||
"https://www.jta.org/2023/10/23/israel/fearing-denial-and-disinformation-israel-shows-journalists-raw-footage-of-hamas-attacks" It’s incredibly sad they had to do that. | |||
"https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12665359/Some-audience-whispered-make-stop-leaned-against-wall-cried-Journalists-watched-Israeli-compilation-Hamas-terror-footage-including-young-girl-shot-dead-hid-desk-reveal-left-horrified.html Is it isreali jounalists Fine let's send Tucker Carlson to report from Gaza." he won't be allowed in  | |||
"https://www.jta.org/2023/10/23/israel/fearing-denial-and-disinformation-israel-shows-journalists-raw-footage-of-hamas-attacks It’s incredibly sad they had to do that. " The IDF is trying control the media coverage. Media has gone crazy nowadays. It's in the IDFs best interest to just ban everyone. What people see thru one lens . Changes perception in another lens. So yes IDF is smart not to let journalists in and so is Egypt. | |||
"https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12665359/Some-audience-whispered-make-stop-leaned-against-wall-cried-Journalists-watched-Israeli-compilation-Hamas-terror-footage-including-young-girl-shot-dead-hid-desk-reveal-left-horrified.html Is it isreali jounalists Fine let's send Tucker Carlson to report from Gaza.he won't be allowed in "exactly just like other journalists. | |||
"https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12665359/Some-audience-whispered-make-stop-leaned-against-wall-cried-Journalists-watched-Israeli-compilation-Hamas-terror-footage-including-young-girl-shot-dead-hid-desk-reveal-left-horrified.html Is it isreali jounalists And again are the independent jouralists mentioned in your links isreali ? Some will be Jewish. . E.g the BBC correspondent is Others are not. " | |||
"https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12665359/Some-audience-whispered-make-stop-leaned-against-wall-cried-Journalists-watched-Israeli-compilation-Hamas-terror-footage-including-young-girl-shot-dead-hid-desk-reveal-left-horrified.html Is it isreali jounalists Some will be Jewish. . E.g the BBC correspondent is Others are not. " And again are the journalists mentioned in your link isreali ? | |||
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"The denialism in here to the 200 journalists invited to view the footage is just head in sand stuff. " so asking questions is denialism now? | |||
" It's best if the IDF carries on with their task unhindered by world opinions. " How do you know it's the best, if you don't know what they're doing? | |||
"There is no unbiased reporting anymore. So all journalists are banned. As to prevent world outrage. So you people can have your own conspiracy theories. It's best if the IDF carries on with their task unhindered by world opinions. I don't trust some people's news agencies just like some of you wouldn't trust mine. Optics. IDF now gets to control their informational space." Why would the world be outraged ? | |||
" It's best if the IDF carries on with their task unhindered by world opinions. How do you know it's the best, if you don't know what they're doing?" Why do you need to know? Maybe fox news should do the reporting there you ok with that? | |||
"There is no unbiased reporting anymore. So all journalists are banned. As to prevent world outrage. So you people can have your own conspiracy theories. It's best if the IDF carries on with their task unhindered by world opinions. I don't trust some people's news agencies just like some of you wouldn't trust mine. Optics. IDF now gets to control their informational space. Why would the world be outraged ?" Why not? It's war. | |||
" It's best if the IDF carries on with their task unhindered by world opinions. How do you know it's the best, if you don't know what they're doing?" They are murdering innocent ppl and dont want us all to see it | |||
"There is no unbiased reporting anymore. So all journalists are banned. As to prevent world outrage. So you people can have your own conspiracy theories. It's best if the IDF carries on with their task unhindered by world opinions. I don't trust some people's news agencies just like some of you wouldn't trust mine. Optics. IDF now gets to control their informational space. Why would the world be outraged ? Why not? It's war." And most wars have journalists reporting,unless you dont want ppl to see you murdering innocent ppl | |||
" It's best if the IDF carries on with their task unhindered by world opinions. How do you know it's the best, if you don't know what they're doing? They are murdering innocent ppl and dont want us all to see it" Hamas can surrender. So who is killing who? The IDF stated it's goals from the beginning. It's war. People die why do you need to see it on the evening news? | |||
" It's best if the IDF carries on with their task unhindered by world opinions. How do you know it's the best, if you don't know what they're doing? They are murdering innocent ppl and dont want us all to see it Hamas can surrender. So who is killing who? The IDF stated it's goals from the beginning. It's war. People die why do you need to see it on the evening news?" or isreal can stop killing innocent ppl ,or maybe they want to keep on until there is no more innocent ppl to murder | |||
" It's best if the IDF carries on with their task unhindered by world opinions. How do you know it's the best, if you don't know what they're doing? Why do you need to know? " 'we' need to know. Not necessarily me. Otherwise how do we know if it's "best if the IDF carries on"? " Maybe fox news should do the reporting there you ok with that? " I don't have any opinion on this. | |||
"The denialism in here to the 200 journalists invited to view the footage is just head in sand stuff. " How many of them 200 are independent ? | |||
"There is no unbiased reporting anymore. So all journalists are banned. As to prevent world outrage. So you people can have your own conspiracy theories. It's best if the IDF carries on with their task unhindered by world opinions. I don't trust some people's news agencies just like some of you wouldn't trust mine. Optics. IDF now gets to control their informational space. Why would the world be outraged ? Why not? It's war. And most wars have journalists reporting,unless you dont want ppl to see you murdering innocent ppl" Again Hamas' should surrender correct? This way it avoids civilian casualties. It's a inevitable part of war in a densely populated area. When Hamas does not follow the rules of war. So yes civilians die. So why can't you answer should Hamas' surrender? | |||
"https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12665359/Some-audience-whispered-make-stop-leaned-against-wall-cried-Journalists-watched-Israeli-compilation-Hamas-terror-footage-including-young-girl-shot-dead-hid-desk-reveal-left-horrified.html Is it isreali jounalists Some will be Jewish. . E.g the BBC correspondent is Others are not. And again are the journalists mentioned in your link isreali ?" No they aren't Israeli. | |||
"The denialism in here to the 200 journalists invited to view the footage is just head in sand stuff. so asking questions is denialism now?" https://youtu.be/EW0Atcdy38g?si=neAm0Dan5hr1PsAb Feel free to keep denying the reality of the situation. If this is the proverbial hill you wish tondie on believing all 200 journalists are Israeli. Even thought I've given you links to several.non Israeli journos. Go-ahead. Show your ignorance | |||
"The denialism in here to the 200 journalists invited to view the footage is just head in sand stuff. so asking questions is denialism now?" You are asking questions to which you've already been given the answer Each link I've provided gives a different reporter whose seen the footage. they arent Israeli. Though 1 is Jewish. But keepnthe blinkers on by all means. Had you bothered to review the links. You'd have realised this. | |||
"The denialism in here to the 200 journalists invited to view the footage is just head in sand stuff. How many of them 200 are independent ?" All 200 | |||
"The denialism in here to the 200 journalists invited to view the footage is just head in sand stuff. How many of them 200 are independent ? All 200" Do you need to be told what " foreign press" is. Ad this was a showing to 200 " foreign press" | |||
"The denialism in here to the 200 journalists invited to view the footage is just head in sand stuff. How many of them 200 are independent ? All 200" and you know this how? And for the 4th time how many are isreali ? | |||
"The denialism in here to the 200 journalists invited to view the footage is just head in sand stuff. How many of them 200 are independent ? All 200" What I find disturbing is the same people whining about the Palestinians plight can't condemn Hamas for not surrendering. Even though the IDF is following through with the mission they were tasked to do. Hamas is the elected government in Gaza. Their health ministry gives out the daily death tally. Yet no mention of surrendering to save the people that were elected to protect. Yet idiots here want to blame Israel for their response. | |||
"The denialism in here to the 200 journalists invited to view the footage is just head in sand stuff. How many of them 200 are independent ? All 200and you know this how? And for the 4th time how many are isreali ?" " foreign press " Again. I have provided you multiple links tk reporters who witnessed it. Not born I'm Israel. And living in different t countries. This denialism of what's in front of your own eyes is sad to see. | |||
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"The denialism in here to the 200 journalists invited to view the footage is just head in sand stuff. How many of them 200 are independent ? All 200 What I find disturbing is the same people whining about the Palestinians plight can't condemn Hamas for not surrendering. Even though the IDF is following through with the mission they were tasked to do. Hamas is the elected government in Gaza. Their health ministry gives out the daily death tally. Yet no mention of surrendering to save the people that were elected to protect. Yet idiots here want to blame Israel for their response." Ive condemned hamas for what it did on the 7th oct but i can understand why they wont surrender their land ,i also find it hard to listen to idiots on here who turn a blind eye to cold blooded murder by isreal | |||
"The denialism in here to the 200 journalists invited to view the footage is just head in sand stuff. How many of them 200 are independent ? All 200and you know this how? And for the 4th time how many are isreali ? " foreign press " Again. I have provided you multiple links tk reporters who witnessed it. Not born I'm Israel. And living in different t countries. This denialism of what's in front of your own eyes is sad to see." Ive told you i cant get on to links,and you say foreign press but youve yet to answer how many are isreali ? | |||
"The denialism in here to the 200 journalists invited to view the footage is just head in sand stuff. How many of them 200 are independent ? All 200 What I find disturbing is the same people whining about the Palestinians plight can't condemn Hamas for not surrendering. Even though the IDF is following through with the mission they were tasked to do. Hamas is the elected government in Gaza. Their health ministry gives out the daily death tally. Yet no mention of surrendering to save the people that were elected to protect. Yet idiots here want to blame Israel for their response. Ive condemned hamas for what it did on the 7th oct but i can understand why they wont surrender their land ,i also find it hard to listen to idiots on here who turn a blind eye to cold blooded murder by isreal" Do you realize what war is or are you going to turn a blinds eye to that. You blame Israel yet Hamas is more complicit. They do not fight a war conventionally. They use the civilian population as their tool to change world opinion to their cause. Palestinians are just Martyrs and cannon fodder to them. It's asymmetric warfare and you fell for it. Just like others. So I understand the IDF blackouts on news do you? It protects their operations where their soldiers don't die because you want to see better news coverage. Get real. | |||
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"The denialism in here to the 200 journalists invited to view the footage is just head in sand stuff. How many of them 200 are independent ? All 200 What I find disturbing is the same people whining about the Palestinians plight can't condemn Hamas for not surrendering. Even though the IDF is following through with the mission they were tasked to do. Hamas is the elected government in Gaza. Their health ministry gives out the daily death tally. Yet no mention of surrendering to save the people that were elected to protect. Yet idiots here want to blame Israel for their response. Ive condemned hamas for what it did on the 7th oct but i can understand why they wont surrender their land ,i also find it hard to listen to idiots on here who turn a blind eye to cold blooded murder by isreal" it's easy it is war! You know the same fucking thing your country went through with the Nazis seems to me you prefer the Nazis. Yet Israel can't do the same because it upsets your feelings on death rates. | |||
"The denialism in here to the 200 journalists invited to view the footage is just head in sand stuff. How many of them 200 are independent ? All 200 What I find disturbing is the same people whining about the Palestinians plight can't condemn Hamas for not surrendering. Even though the IDF is following through with the mission they were tasked to do. Hamas is the elected government in Gaza. Their health ministry gives out the daily death tally. Yet no mention of surrendering to save the people that were elected to protect. Yet idiots here want to blame Israel for their response. Ive condemned hamas for what it did on the 7th oct but i can understand why they wont surrender their land ,i also find it hard to listen to idiots on here who turn a blind eye to cold blooded murder by isreal it's easy it is war! You know the same fucking thing your country went through with the Nazis seems to me you prefer the Nazis. Yet Israel can't do the same because it upsets your feelings on death rates." it's not just you I am focusing on. It's a debate. Don't take it personally. But it's a narrative that you choose and others do because people are dying. Tragic yes. Necessary again yes. It brings peace are you fighting Nazi Germany now? It's time to end don't you think? | |||
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"And what's Israel's excuse for the genocide in the West Bank," what genocide it's been minor conflicts. If Israel wanted to it could level the west bank. Have they? It's still standing. Next question. Don't be dumb. | |||
"And what's Israel's excuse for the genocide in the West Bank," Ever seen the definition of genocide? If you use that term in relation to what's happening in the West Bank, you are either using emotive exaggerations because you really dislike Israel, or you don't understand what genocide really is. You're literally killing children with statements like that. (is an analogous example of how nonsensical the term genocide is in this respect) | |||
"And what's Israel's excuse for the genocide in the West Bank, Ever seen the definition of genocide? If you use that term in relation to what's happening in the West Bank, you are either using emotive exaggerations because you really dislike Israel, or you don't understand what genocide really is. You're literally killing children with statements like that. (is an analogous example of how nonsensical the term genocide is in this respect)" Exactly I don't see Palestinians being herded up like cattle. Forced into overcrowded train box cars. Stripped of clothing hair and teeth. Then gassed or worse yet used as experiments. Oh how people lose insights to other people's plights. When those people say never again. It's history repeating itself as usual. This time the ones that say never again have the upper hand. They are basically saying fuck you all. We are not going to let that happen and here we are. | |||
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"15k Palestinians murdered in 8 weeks I'd say is Genocidal,stealing there land and replacing them with Israeli criminals is ethnic cleansing " 400000 yeminies have died I don't see any posts of that from you. Why is that ? | |||
"15k Palestinians murdered in 8 weeks I'd say is Genocidal,stealing there land and replacing them with Israeli criminals is ethnic cleansing 400000 yeminies have died I don't see any posts of that from you. Why is that ? " I can tell you you don't like Jews. | |||
"15k Palestinians murdered in 8 weeks I'd say is Genocidal,stealing there land and replacing them with Israeli criminals is ethnic cleansing 400000 yeminies have died I don't see any posts of that from you. Why is that ? I can tell you you don't like Jews. " Odd how some fools pick a conflict because the news and journalists tell them so. Yet ignore other conflicts that makes Israel's existence look like a a American Western. | |||
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"15k Palestinians murdered in 8 weeks I'd say is Genocidal,stealing there land and replacing them with Israeli criminals is ethnic cleansing " West Bank or Gaza? Make up your mind. You referenced genocide in the West Bank specifically. In terms of Gaza, they're are 2.2 million Arabs. Clearing them at a rate of 15k per month would take over ten years. Even if this war were to continue at the same rate for six months, it wouldn't qualify. And that's before you get to the actual definition of genocide. | |||
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"I'm against all murderers, and thieves," We all are. You just like to twist the definitions of those words very selectively to mean people that you don't like, presumably for political reasons. | |||
"15k Palestinians murdered in 8 weeks I'd say is Genocidal,stealing there land and replacing them with Israeli criminals is ethnic cleansing " any answer from you for the yeminies? Let me hear your thoughts or the houthies. Maybe I should go down a list of conflicts that have killed more civilians . | |||
"I'm against all murderers, and thieves," and I will put a bullet in your noggin if given the chance. If you murdered my my family or stole from them. Simplistic isn't it. | |||
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"When injustice is been inflicted on any race of people anywhere they have a right to defend themselves " from whom? | |||
"When injustice is been inflicted on any race of people anywhere they have a right to defend themselves from whom? " My injustice is more righteous than yours yours is basically non existent. Just like the Palestinians. You have to obey. | |||
"15k Palestinians murdered in 8 weeks I'd say is Genocidal,stealing there land and replacing them with Israeli criminals is ethnic cleansing " You still haven't answered a simple question just like others like you. Should Hamas' surrender to avoid Israels wrath on the Palestinian people? Just say you like Hamas's authority over the Palestinians compared to something much better. It's clearly noted with you and others that can't answer . You prefer Hamas. | |||
"I'm against all murderers, and thieves, and I will put a bullet in your noggin if given the chance. If you murdered my my family or stole from them. Simplistic isn't it." Thats exactly what Hamas did, and it put that petrodollar at risk and your economy. No Israel then the US suffers. | |||
"I'm against all murderers, and thieves, and I will put a bullet in your noggin if given the chance. If you murdered my my family or stole from them. Simplistic isn't it. Thats exactly what Hamas did, and it put that petrodollar at risk and your economy. No Israel then the US suffers." No, Hamas didn't do exactly that. Hamas attacked innocent civilians directly, with no military goal whatsoever. They cannot claim collateral damage or self defense. Their rockets are actually completely indiscriminate. Unless you believe in collective punishment and therefore all Israelis are legitimate targets, in which case it works both ways. Blu said "I will put a bullet in your noggin if given the chance... if you murdered my my family or stole from them". That could maybe be extended to "and if I'm shooting at you and you hide behind your family, so I kill them in the process, so be it". Whereas in this case it's "if I feel wronged by you, I will hunt down any vulnerable favour members you have because you're to strong for me to engage directly". But hey, you could just put the word "petrodollar" into a response to make it look like you understand what's going on and that there's a deeper purpose here. | |||
"I'm against all murderers, and thieves, and I will put a bullet in your noggin if given the chance. If you murdered my my family or stole from them. Simplistic isn't it. Thats exactly what Hamas did, and it put that petrodollar at risk and your economy. No Israel then the US suffers. No, Hamas didn't do exactly that. Hamas attacked innocent civilians directly, with no military goal whatsoever. They cannot claim collateral damage or self defense. Their rockets are actually completely indiscriminate. Unless you believe in collective punishment and therefore all Israelis are legitimate targets, in which case it works both ways. Blu said "I will put a bullet in your noggin if given the chance... if you murdered my my family or stole from them". That could maybe be extended to "and if I'm shooting at you and you hide behind your family, so I kill them in the process, so be it". Whereas in this case it's "if I feel wronged by you, I will hunt down any vulnerable favour members you have because you're to strong for me to engage directly". But hey, you could just put the word "petrodollar" into a response to make it look like you understand what's going on and that there's a deeper purpose here." Petrodollar. | |||
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"15k Palestinians murdered in 8 weeks I'd say is Genocidal,stealing there land and replacing them with Israeli criminals is ethnic cleansing " But you said west bank genocide Not hamas army in gaza. | |||
"A lot of people saying that we need to use the definition of Genocide. Here is what the UN say. The definition contained in Article II of the Convention describes genocide as a crime committed with the intent to destroy a national, ethnic, racial or religious group, in whole or in part. So you don't need to kill them all for it to be Genocide. " So then. No genocide occurring as Israel is jsut going after hamas and not Palestinians as a whole. Sorted | |||
"The denialism in here to the 200 journalists invited to view the footage is just head in sand stuff. How many of them 200 are independent ? All 200and you know this how? And for the 4th time how many are isreali ? " foreign press " Again. I have provided you multiple links tk reporters who witnessed it. Not born I'm Israel. And living in different t countries. This denialism of what's in front of your own eyes is sad to see. Ive told you i cant get on to links,and you say foreign press but youve yet to answer how many are isreali ?" I dont believe you cant get onto YouTube. | |||
"When injustice is been inflicted on any race of people anywhere they have a right to defend themselves from whom? My injustice is more righteous than yours yours is basically non existent. Just like the Palestinians. You have to obey." Obey who ? | |||
"The denialism in here to the 200 journalists invited to view the footage is just head in sand stuff. How many of them 200 are independent ? All 200and you know this how? And for the 4th time how many are isreali ? " foreign press " Again. I have provided you multiple links tk reporters who witnessed it. Not born I'm Israel. And living in different t countries. This denialism of what's in front of your own eyes is sad to see. Ive told you i cant get on to links,and you say foreign press but youve yet to answer how many are isreali ? I dont believe you cant get onto YouTube." You can beleive what you want | |||
"15k Palestinians murdered in 8 weeks I'd say is Genocidal,stealing there land and replacing them with Israeli criminals is ethnic cleansing 400000 yeminies have died I don't see any posts of that from you. Why is that ? " maybe its because we are talking about palestine and isreal | |||
"And what's Israel's excuse for the genocide in the West Bank, Ever seen the definition of genocide? If you use that term in relation to what's happening in the West Bank, you are either using emotive exaggerations because you really dislike Israel, or you don't understand what genocide really is. You're literally killing children with statements like that. (is an analogous example of how nonsensical the term genocide is in this respect) Exactly I don't see Palestinians being herded up like cattle. Forced into overcrowded train box cars. Stripped of clothing hair and teeth. Then gassed or worse yet used as experiments. Oh how people lose insights to other people's plights. When those people say never again. It's history repeating itself as usual. This time the ones that say never again have the upper hand. They are basically saying fuck you all. We are not going to let that happen and here we are." They just bomb them now | |||
"And what's Israel's excuse for the genocide in the West Bank, Ever seen the definition of genocide? If you use that term in relation to what's happening in the West Bank, you are either using emotive exaggerations because you really dislike Israel, or you don't understand what genocide really is. You're literally killing children with statements like that. (is an analogous example of how nonsensical the term genocide is in this respect) Exactly I don't see Palestinians being herded up like cattle. Forced into overcrowded train box cars. Stripped of clothing hair and teeth. Then gassed or worse yet used as experiments. Oh how people lose insights to other people's plights. When those people say never again. It's history repeating itself as usual. This time the ones that say never again have the upper hand. They are basically saying fuck you all. We are not going to let that happen and here we are. They just bomb them now " yes until Hamas' either surrenders or is eliminated.Did you know that Israel is flooding the tunnel system ? That is a brilliant idea. Instead of bombing them drown them. | |||
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"Can someone explain to me what the difference is (apart from the scale) in what Yugoslavia did in the Balkans in the early 90s and what the Israeli 'settlers' are doing now in the West Bank?" Easy it thier territory it was captured by Israel during the 6 day war from Jordan. Hence Israeli territory. Why are the Falklands considered British territory? | |||
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"Can someone explain to me what the difference is (apart from the scale) in what Yugoslavia did in the Balkans in the early 90s and what the Israeli 'settlers' are doing now in the West Bank? Easy it thier territory it was captured by Israel during the 6 day war from Jordan. Hence Israeli territory. Why are the Falklands considered British territory? " Because the Falkland islanders voted to be British. | |||
"Can someone explain to me what the difference is (apart from the scale) in what Yugoslavia did in the Balkans in the early 90s and what the Israeli 'settlers' are doing now in the West Bank? Easy it thier territory it was captured by Israel during the 6 day war from Jordan. Hence Israeli territory. Why are the Falklands considered British territory? Because the Falkland islanders voted to be British." it's Argentina territory. Historically. Just like the west bank. | |||
"It's also my assertion anything out of israel news outlets is notmofficial and why I am waiting for independent journalists from western nations to view the footage and photos before i typically comment. Feel free to read the twitter thread." If there is some consolation in this awful conflict it is that Isreali propaganda perpetuated and endorsed by western media is now en masse ridiculed except of course the wicked politicians paying homage to their paymasters. | |||
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"@spencerguard on twitter. I just watched the roughly 45-minute footage of October 7th at a private screening in NYC. Here are my immediate thoughts minutes after watching it. Israel providing actual evidence to 3rd parties while Hamas and Al Jazeera provide none. so others are clear, this is the first tweet, not Morley saying he's watched the video. I'm not sure anyone has denied that hamas have caused attrocitoes and have targeted civilians. Some have questioned a few of the Israeli claims and / or wording. I can imagine your point is that hamas have no evidence of similar Israeli crimes. But not 100pc precisely. Israel jave video , photo footage that they are showing independent new sources. Hamas on the other hand, seem to be making up news and numbers that can't be verified. " During pervious atrocities by Isreal hamas estimates have been subsequently very accurate. | |||
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"And what's Israel's excuse for the genocide in the West Bank, Ever seen the definition of genocide? If you use that term in relation to what's happening in the West Bank, you are either using emotive exaggerations because you really dislike Israel, or you don't understand what genocide really is. You're literally killing children with statements like that. (is an analogous example of how nonsensical the term genocide is in this respect) Exactly I don't see Palestinians being herded up like cattle. Forced into overcrowded train box cars. Stripped of clothing hair and teeth. Then gassed or worse yet used as experiments. Oh how people lose insights to other people's plights. When those people say never again. It's history repeating itself as usual. This time the ones that say never again have the upper hand. They are basically saying fuck you all. We are not going to let that happen and here we are. They just bomb them now yes until Hamas' either surrenders or is eliminated.Did you know that Israel is flooding the tunnel system ? That is a brilliant idea. Instead of bombing them drown them. " It does not fit the vague description of a genocide but it is without doubt murder on a mass scale. Isreal cannot keep mobilising the "holocaust industry" a phrase coined by Norman finklestein , a jew who lost several family members during the holocaust. Its classic smoke and mirror tactics. Of all the people who should understand the folly of persecution its the jewish people. | |||
"I have read a review if one can call it that of the screening, there was one in London Whitehall on Monday gone. The gist is that it is a terrible segment of film, taken from Hamas go pros, dash cam and cctv. It shows one beheading, no babies being killed or other things, no r4pes, but many shocking incidents of violence, some without context so one isn't really sure of what they are seeing. If they are trying to drum up support for this mass killing spree, it is not working, the tide is turning and even the US is getting uncomfortable, as boycotting companies who add to Israelis economy is spreading to the USA UK France and Germany not mentioning the middleasten countries. In the years to come Israel will become like Iran shunted by other countries for what they do to their population, the warcrimes they commit etc." You chose your source, he is playing down events you like that, because it appeals to your views. He has snared another and you spread his words… | |||
"15,000 dead, including 7,000 reported children. The dead children alone equivalent to the total pupils of 25 average sized uk primary schools. Add the rest with no arms, legs, loss of sight, orphans etc. Israeli war crimes, under US protection and supervision. Hamas murders dwarfed at 15:1. Suicide bombers will be coming for decades. " Hamas' should surrender then. But they won't . | |||
"15,000 dead, including 7,000 reported children. The dead children alone equivalent to the total pupils of 25 average sized uk primary schools. Add the rest with no arms, legs, loss of sight, orphans etc. Israeli war crimes, under US protection and supervision. Hamas murders dwarfed at 15:1. Suicide bombers will be coming for decades. Hamas' should surrender then. But they won't ." This is not about Hamas it is the wider Islamic terror attacks that will come, globally | |||
"15,000 dead, including 7,000 reported children. The dead children alone equivalent to the total pupils of 25 average sized uk primary schools. Add the rest with no arms, legs, loss of sight, orphans etc. Israeli war crimes, under US protection and supervision. Hamas murders dwarfed at 15:1. Suicide bombers will be coming for decades. Hamas' should surrender then. But they won't . This is not about Hamas it is the wider Islamic terror attacks that will come, globally " i wouldnt bother explaining, nxt time someone crashes a plane into a building or brings down a bridge most americans will be sat there wondering why us because they think most people around the world like there goverment they fail to realise its only other goverments who side with them, most people know what an arrogant war mongering bunch there politicians are over there | |||
"15,000 dead, including 7,000 reported children. The dead children alone equivalent to the total pupils of 25 average sized uk primary schools. Add the rest with no arms, legs, loss of sight, orphans etc. Israeli war crimes, under US protection and supervision. Hamas murders dwarfed at 15:1. Suicide bombers will be coming for decades. Hamas' should surrender then. But they won't . This is not about Hamas it is the wider Islamic terror attacks that will come, globally i wouldnt bother explaining, nxt time someone crashes a plane into a building or brings down a bridge most americans will be sat there wondering why us because they think most people around the world like there goverment they fail to realise its only other goverments who side with them, most people know what an arrogant war mongering bunch there politicians are over there" no need to wonder after 9/11 it will be obvious. Kind of like Israel don't need to wonder. It happened and now they going full out on their resolve. The are pressing the delete button on Hamas. Just because some of you agree with Hamas and their jihad against Israel. Israel has the right to end that threat. | |||
"15,000 dead, including 7,000 reported children. The dead children alone equivalent to the total pupils of 25 average sized uk primary schools. Add the rest with no arms, legs, loss of sight, orphans etc. Israeli war crimes, under US protection and supervision. Hamas murders dwarfed at 15:1. Suicide bombers will be coming for decades. Hamas' should surrender then. But they won't . This is not about Hamas it is the wider Islamic terror attacks that will come, globally i wouldnt bother explaining, nxt time someone crashes a plane into a building or brings down a bridge most americans will be sat there wondering why us because they think most people around the world like there goverment they fail to realise its only other goverments who side with them, most people know what an arrogant war mongering bunch there politicians are over there no need to wonder after 9/11 it will be obvious. Kind of like Israel don't need to wonder. It happened and now they going full out on their resolve. The are pressing the delete button on Hamas. Just because some of you agree with Hamas and their jihad against Israel. Israel has the right to end that threat." I've no worries destroying hamas, BUT... as the US defence guy said .. it will be a tactical victory for Isreal but it will also be a strategic failure too! I don't agree with the killing of so many innocent people and isreal should have better standards than this! | |||
"Can someone explain to me what the difference is (apart from the scale) in what Yugoslavia did in the Balkans in the early 90s and what the Israeli 'settlers' are doing now in the West Bank? Easy it thier territory it was captured by Israel during the 6 day war from Jordan. Hence Israeli territory. Why are the Falklands considered British territory? " It's ethnic cleansing pure and simple, why is it 'ok and acceptable' for Jewish people to carry it out against Palestinians who have lived there for thousands of years yet it was wrong and provoked military intervention from your and our countries plus others when Yugoslavia did the same to Albanian Kosovars ? I'm not sure the Falklands has anything to do with it, ditto Hawaii.. | |||
"15,000 dead, including 7,000 reported children. The dead children alone equivalent to the total pupils of 25 average sized uk primary schools. Add the rest with no arms, legs, loss of sight, orphans etc. Israeli war crimes, under US protection and supervision. Hamas murders dwarfed at 15:1. Suicide bombers will be coming for decades. Hamas' should surrender then. But they won't . This is not about Hamas it is the wider Islamic terror attacks that will come, globally i wouldnt bother explaining, nxt time someone crashes a plane into a building or brings down a bridge most americans will be sat there wondering why us because they think most people around the world like there goverment they fail to realise its only other goverments who side with them, most people know what an arrogant war mongering bunch there politicians are over there no need to wonder after 9/11 it will be obvious. Kind of like Israel don't need to wonder. It happened and now they going full out on their resolve. The are pressing the delete button on Hamas. Just because some of you agree with Hamas and their jihad against Israel. Israel has the right to end that threat." Who on here has ever said they agree with Hamas and their actions? Tbh either name them or stop it with such bs.. | |||
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"There's much more better and effective ways to deal with hamas but isreal is to narrow minded to do anything else unfortunately " Better and more effective ways would be very welcome to all concerned. Not sure what they are though | |||
"15,000 dead, including 7,000 reported children. The dead children alone equivalent to the total pupils of 25 average sized uk primary schools. Add the rest with no arms, legs, loss of sight, orphans etc. Israeli war crimes, under US protection and supervision. Hamas murders dwarfed at 15:1. Suicide bombers will be coming for decades. Hamas' should surrender then. But they won't . This is not about Hamas it is the wider Islamic terror attacks that will come, globally i wouldnt bother explaining, nxt time someone crashes a plane into a building or brings down a bridge most americans will be sat there wondering why us because they think most people around the world like there goverment they fail to realise its only other goverments who side with them, most people know what an arrogant war mongering bunch there politicians are over there no need to wonder after 9/11 it will be obvious. Kind of like Israel don't need to wonder. It happened and now they going full out on their resolve. The are pressing the delete button on Hamas. Just because some of you agree with Hamas and their jihad against Israel. Israel has the right to end that threat." haha u think i side with hamas pmsl, nah i think there lunatics just like i think benny nutty ya hoos goverment are a bunch of lunatics to, only difference between them is benny boys goverment are good at making simpletons belive there civilised | |||
"15,000 dead, including 7,000 reported children. The dead children alone equivalent to the total pupils of 25 average sized uk primary schools. Add the rest with no arms, legs, loss of sight, orphans etc. Israeli war crimes, under US protection and supervision. Hamas murders dwarfed at 15:1. Suicide bombers will be coming for decades. Hamas' should surrender then. But they won't . This is not about Hamas it is the wider Islamic terror attacks that will come, globally " Isn't it demeaning and degrading to Muslims around the world to assume that they will become global violent killers of innocents due to relatively unrelated events in the Middle East? Are you trying to paint Islam as needlessly a violent religion? | |||
" It's ethnic cleansing pure and simple, why is it 'ok and acceptable' for Jewish people to carry it out against Palestinians who have lived there for thousands of years yet it was wrong and provoked military intervention from your and our countries plus others when Yugoslavia did the same to Albanian Kosovars ?" Given that the State of Israel, currently at war with Hamas, does not intend to settle Gaza or resettle it's population, also that the state includes Arabs and Muslims with full and equal citizenship rights, who are also in parliament and the supreme court... How is it ethnic cleansing? | |||
"There's much more better and effective ways to deal with hamas but isreal is to narrow minded to do anything else unfortunately " What ways are those? | |||
" It's ethnic cleansing pure and simple, why is it 'ok and acceptable' for Jewish people to carry it out against Palestinians who have lived there for thousands of years yet it was wrong and provoked military intervention from your and our countries plus others when Yugoslavia did the same to Albanian Kosovars ? Given that the State of Israel, currently at war with Hamas, does not intend to settle Gaza or resettle it's population, also that the state includes Arabs and Muslims with full and equal citizenship rights, who are also in parliament and the supreme court... How is it ethnic cleansing?" Your really trying to excuse the behaviours of some of the settlers..? What's your definition of one ethnic group using force and direct violence to move another ethnic group from their homes and lands? | |||
"There's much more better and effective ways to deal with hamas but isreal is to narrow minded to do anything else unfortunately What ways are those? " Well. Only my opinion here..but basically in. Nutshell: Isreal, for the past 70 years has fermented organisions like hamas , hesbola, Islamic brotherhood etc.. (forgive spelling) through the ring policy. Hamas"s aim is terrorist to create fear, chaos and instability in the country and area they operate in. not only targeting "enemy populations" but also endanger the lives of the people they rule over to achieve idealist goals. So far isreal has and continues to validate the existence of hamas by opression and collective punishment and drives pallistinians to join Hamas. One way, which isreal will never adopt is to de-validate hamas by giving ordinary pallistinians what any other people want.. lift them out of poverty, give them hope and aspirations for jobs careers... Treat them with dignity respect...etc. I know it's hard! I remember the good Friday agreement and I thought " but what about the victims of the IRA?" But the past has to be dropped and move forward. Possibly too late now after 70 years of oppression, who knows, but with the UN peacekeepers involved and separating the two who knows.. But it's not what isreal will do. Even though 70 years of oppression hasn't worked they'll keep on | |||
"There's much more better and effective ways to deal with hamas but isreal is to narrow minded to do anything else unfortunately What ways are those? Well. Only my opinion here..but basically in. Nutshell: Isreal, for the past 70 years has fermented organisions like hamas , hesbola, Islamic brotherhood etc.. (forgive spelling) through the ring policy. Hamas"s aim is terrorist to create fear, chaos and instability in the country and area they operate in. not only targeting "enemy populations" but also endanger the lives of the people they rule over to achieve idealist goals. So far isreal has and continues to validate the existence of hamas by opression and collective punishment and drives pallistinians to join Hamas. One way, which isreal will never adopt is to de-validate hamas by giving ordinary pallistinians what any other people want.. lift them out of poverty, give them hope and aspirations for jobs careers... Treat them with dignity respect...etc. I know it's hard! I remember the good Friday agreement and I thought " but what about the victims of the IRA?" But the past has to be dropped and move forward. Possibly too late now after 70 years of oppression, who knows, but with the UN peacekeepers involved and separating the two who knows.. But it's not what isreal will do. Even though 70 years of oppression hasn't worked they'll keep on" Brilliant post | |||
"There's much more better and effective ways to deal with hamas but isreal is to narrow minded to do anything else unfortunately What ways are those? Well. Only my opinion here..but basically in. Nutshell: Isreal, for the past 70 years has fermented organisions like hamas , hesbola, Islamic brotherhood etc.. (forgive spelling) through the ring policy. Hamas"s aim is terrorist to create fear, chaos and instability in the country and area they operate in. not only targeting "enemy populations" but also endanger the lives of the people they rule over to achieve idealist goals. So far isreal has and continues to validate the existence of hamas by opression and collective punishment and drives pallistinians to join Hamas. One way, which isreal will never adopt is to de-validate hamas by giving ordinary pallistinians what any other people want.. lift them out of poverty, give them hope and aspirations for jobs careers... Treat them with dignity respect...etc. I know it's hard! I remember the good Friday agreement and I thought " but what about the victims of the IRA?" But the past has to be dropped and move forward. Possibly too late now after 70 years of oppression, who knows, but with the UN peacekeepers involved and separating the two who knows.. But it's not what isreal will do. Even though 70 years of oppression hasn't worked they'll keep on" So who is going to uproot Hamas'? They are not going to lay down their arms. Excpecially when they are funded by Iran. Either way you look at it there will still be hostilities in Gaza. Great post but unrealistic. | |||
"There's much more better and effective ways to deal with hamas but isreal is to narrow minded to do anything else unfortunately What ways are those? Well. Only my opinion here..but basically in. Nutshell: Isreal, for the past 70 years has fermented organisions like hamas , hesbola, Islamic brotherhood etc.. (forgive spelling) through the ring policy. Hamas"s aim is terrorist to create fear, chaos and instability in the country and area they operate in. not only targeting "enemy populations" but also endanger the lives of the people they rule over to achieve idealist goals. So far isreal has and continues to validate the existence of hamas by opression and collective punishment and drives pallistinians to join Hamas. One way, which isreal will never adopt is to de-validate hamas by giving ordinary pallistinians what any other people want.. lift them out of poverty, give them hope and aspirations for jobs careers... Treat them with dignity respect...etc. I know it's hard! I remember the good Friday agreement and I thought " but what about the victims of the IRA?" But the past has to be dropped and move forward. Possibly too late now after 70 years of oppression, who knows, but with the UN peacekeepers involved and separating the two who knows.. But it's not what isreal will do. Even though 70 years of oppression hasn't worked they'll keep on So who is going to uproot Hamas'? They are not going to lay down their arms. Excpecially when they are funded by Iran. Either way you look at it there will still be hostilities in Gaza. Great post but unrealistic." the assumption is hamas is largely people with ideological beliefs they will fight to the deat for. I suspect it's not. It's a handful of zealots who then indoctrinate the masses. And that happens because the masses are unhappy and want a way out. And will buy whatever is being sold that promises change. The reason hamas thrives in palenstine but doesnt in the states say, isn't because Americans are Christian or intrinsically less blood thirsty. But because the standard of living is so much better. Give Americans a bit of anger and feelings of unfairness and they storm the capitol. Magnify that to the way that palenstians live and have lived and maybe you can start to empathise with the desperation. The start of the next war in the middle east is born from the ashes of the last one. | |||
" Your really trying to excuse the behaviours of some of the settlers..? What's your definition of one ethnic group using force and direct violence to move another ethnic group from their homes and lands?" Where, specifically, are you referring to? (Not in general) | |||
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" Your really trying to excuse the behaviours of some of the settlers..? What's your definition of one ethnic group using force and direct violence to move another ethnic group from their homes and lands? Where, specifically, are you referring to? (Not in general) " There are more than a couple of dozen documented instances across the west Bank, primarily out in the sticks not in Jerusalem etc.. The US state department are looking to block visa apps for those Israeli's who they have identified.. The Israeli government and the IDF are standing by as it happens.. Regardless of the barbarity carried out by Hamas it's wrong.. | |||
"So who is going to uproot Hamas'? They are not going to lay down their arms. Excpecially when they are funded by Iran. Either way you look at it there will still be hostilities in Gaza. Great post but unrealistic." Well, this could be bollocks... Not uproot hamas but change their aims. I know Hamas has called for the destruction of Israel, but in the past, Hamas leaders occasionally offered a long-term truce in return for a viable Palestinian state. Hamas might disband.. or at least agree to peace treaty Yutsak rabean? wanted peace with all Arab neighbours. But got assassinated by a far right isreali. So it has come very close in the past from both sides so if efforts continue and a small miracle perhaps peace might just happen. I know it's a fookin long long shot, a "hail Mary" as blue and the American footballers say but might happen. Not at the moment though with the current fighting.. perhaps a few years from now. Well that's my thoughts anyway. I was dead against the good Friday agreement but it proved I was totally wrong. | |||
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"Isreal, for the past 70 years has fermented organisions like hamas , hesbola, Islamic brotherhood etc.. (forgive spelling) through the ring policy. " The Muslim Brotherhood dates well before the State of Israel, in Egypt. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muslim_Brotherhood It's philosophy, basically, is "Islam is the solution". It had many offshoots, of which one is Hamas. It was in Israel since 1935 and the Grand Mufti, Al-Hajj Amin al-Husseini, was a member. He is famous also for being great friends with Hitler and hatching a plot to kill the Jews in the Middle East. No occupation, no oppression. Hezbollah is the Lebanese puppet of Iran. They could simply ignore Israel and their life would be just fine. The Muslim Brotherhood and its offshoots usually begin with social aims, then as soon as they get power, they become highly oppressive and push their Islamist agenda. It operates where there is no Zionism or occupation. "Hamas"s aim is terrorist to create fear, chaos and instability in the country and area they operate in. not only targeting "enemy populations" but also endanger the lives of the people they rule over to achieve idealist goals." To best understand Hamas's aims, check out their charter: https://avalon.law.yale.edu/20th_century/hamas.asp They have two key aims: (1) destroy Israel and Jews (2) bring the whole world into an enforced Sharia Muslim state "Israel will exist and will continue to exist until Islam will obliterate it, just as it obliterated others before it" "Under the wing of Islam, it is possible for the followers of the three religions - Islam, Christianity and Judaism - to coexist in peace and quiet with each other. Peace and quiet would not be possible except under the wing of Islam. Past and present history are the best witness to that." "So far isreal has and continues to validate the existence of hamas by opression and collective punishment and drives pallistinians to join Hamas. One way, which isreal will never adopt is to de-validate hamas by giving ordinary pallistinians what any other people want.. lift them out of poverty, give them hope and aspirations for jobs careers... Treat them with dignity respect...etc." Israel does treat Palestinians with dignity and respect. In Israel, over two million Palestinians are full citizens, they serve in the army, parliament and the supreme court. The overwhelming majority are happy to live in a prosperous democracy as opposed to any other country in the region, and none want to be ruled by Hamas or the Palestinian Authority. Then you have Gaza, where Hamas was voted in AFTER Israel ethnically cleaned Gaza of all Jews. That's right, Israel pulled out of Gaza completely, there was no blockade, Gazans could enter Israel and work, or utilise international aid to begin their own businesses. It was freer than the West Bank, and they opted for Hamas. So although your theory makes perfect sense to a rational person in the UK, the facts on the ground in the Middle East say otherwise. And you are right about dignity. It is soul breaking to line up at a checkpoint as is you're a criminal. It's terrible for children to see their parents humiliated like that. Of course it causes resentment. But understand where it's coming from. Every time we fly, we remove our belts, shoes, liquids. How many aeroplanes have ever been hijacked? Now when you realise that Israel is hit by weekly attacks (some of them major, but rarely reported on in the West) and, for each or these successful ones, tens are prevented... It makes some sense. Israel gains nothing from oppressing people in Gaza, it's not their aim. They would much rather have a prosperous state on their southern border (which was their how in 2005), but Hamas and Islamism stepped in to prevent that. "I know it's hard! I remember the good Friday agreement and I thought " but what about the victims of the IRA?" But the past has to be dropped and move forward." Israel and Northern Ireland are very different. Notably because of the geography and demographics of the Middle East, and the religious zealotry that actively calls for the destruction of Jews. That said, peace is possible. But it will take a long time of building up trust, and we're about three generations away from that being possible. | |||
" Where, specifically, are you referring to? (Not in general) There are more than a couple of dozen documented instances across the west Bank, primarily out in the sticks not in Jerusalem etc.. The US state department are looking to block visa apps for those Israeli's who they have identified.. The Israeli government and the IDF are standing by as it happens.. Regardless of the barbarity carried out by Hamas it's wrong.." Violent by settlers (or any Israeli) is wrong and inexcusable, especially where it is used to intimidate, steal or terrorise people. They should (and sometimes do) go to prison. On the flip side, any West Bank or Gazan Palestinian gets a cash payment from the Palestinian Authority for acts of violence against Israelis. | |||
"Really thoughtful post, actually. Some thoughts: Isreal, for the past 70 years has fermented organisions like hamas , hesbola, Islamic brotherhood etc.. (forgive spelling) through the ring policy. The Muslim Brotherhood dates well before the State of Israel, in Egypt. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muslim_Brotherhood It's philosophy, basically, is "Islam is the solution". It had many offshoots, of which one is Hamas. It was in Israel since 1935 and the Grand Mufti, Al-Hajj Amin al-Husseini, was a member. He is famous also for being great friends with Hitler and hatching a plot to kill the Jews in the Middle East. No occupation, no oppression. Hezbollah is the Lebanese puppet of Iran. They could simply ignore Israel and their life would be just fine. The Muslim Brotherhood and its offshoots usually begin with social aims, then as soon as they get power, they become highly oppressive and push their Islamist agenda. It operates where there is no Zionism or occupation. Hamas"s aim is terrorist to create fear, chaos and instability in the country and area they operate in. not only targeting "enemy populations" but also endanger the lives of the people they rule over to achieve idealist goals. To best understand Hamas's aims, check out their charter: https://avalon.law.yale.edu/20th_century/hamas.asp They have two key aims: (1) destroy Israel and Jews (2) bring the whole world into an enforced Sharia Muslim state "Israel will exist and will continue to exist until Islam will obliterate it, just as it obliterated others before it" "Under the wing of Islam, it is possible for the followers of the three religions - Islam, Christianity and Judaism - to coexist in peace and quiet with each other. Peace and quiet would not be possible except under the wing of Islam. Past and present history are the best witness to that." So far isreal has and continues to validate the existence of hamas by opression and collective punishment and drives pallistinians to join Hamas. One way, which isreal will never adopt is to de-validate hamas by giving ordinary pallistinians what any other people want.. lift them out of poverty, give them hope and aspirations for jobs careers... Treat them with dignity respect...etc. Israel does treat Palestinians with dignity and respect. In Israel, over two million Palestinians are full citizens, they serve in the army, parliament and the supreme court. The overwhelming majority are happy to live in a prosperous democracy as opposed to any other country in the region, and none want to be ruled by Hamas or the Palestinian Authority. Then you have Gaza, where Hamas was voted in AFTER Israel ethnically cleaned Gaza of all Jews. That's right, Israel pulled out of Gaza completely, there was no blockade, Gazans could enter Israel and work, or utilise international aid to begin their own businesses. It was freer than the West Bank, and they opted for Hamas. So although your theory makes perfect sense to a rational person in the UK, the facts on the ground in the Middle East say otherwise. And you are right about dignity. It is soul breaking to line up at a checkpoint as is you're a criminal. It's terrible for children to see their parents humiliated like that. Of course it causes resentment. But understand where it's coming from. Every time we fly, we remove our belts, shoes, liquids. How many aeroplanes have ever been hijacked? Now when you realise that Israel is hit by weekly attacks (some of them major, but rarely reported on in the West) and, for each or these successful ones, tens are prevented... It makes some sense. Israel gains nothing from oppressing people in Gaza, it's not their aim. They would much rather have a prosperous state on their southern border (which was their how in 2005), but Hamas and Islamism stepped in to prevent that. I know it's hard! I remember the good Friday agreement and I thought " but what about the victims of the IRA?" But the past has to be dropped and move forward. Israel and Northern Ireland are very different. Notably because of the geography and demographics of the Middle East, and the religious zealotry that actively calls for the destruction of Jews. That said, peace is possible. But it will take a long time of building up trust, and we're about three generations away from that being possible." Everyone seems to ignore that all the other belligerents in the middleast could care less how the Palestinians are treated. Just as long as Israel is defeated. | |||
"I have read a review if one can call it that of the screening, there was one in London Whitehall on Monday gone. The gist is that it is a terrible segment of film, taken from Hamas go pros, dash cam and cctv. It shows one beheading, no babies being killed or other things, no r4pes, but many shocking incidents of violence, some without context so one isn't really sure of what they are seeing. If they are trying to drum up support for this mass killing spree, it is not working, the tide is turning and even the US is getting uncomfortable, as boycotting companies who add to Israelis economy is spreading to the USA UK France and Germany not mentioning the middleasten countries. In the years to come Israel will become like Iran shunted by other countries for what they do to their population, the warcrimes they commit etc. You chose your source, he is playing down events you like that, because it appeals to your views. He has snared another and you spread his words…" just like the o.p but you're in discussion about it with another persons words which the o.p has referred to on X and posted the link. so what are you on about, its ok for him and not for me. 15,000 and counting not to mention loss of limbs, sight mental scaring is nothing to play down or as in your case glorify as defence. the o.p link and you read and have discussed it @spencerguard on twitter. | |||
"@spencerguard on twitter. I just watched the roughly 45-minute footage of October 7th at a private screening in NYC. Here are my immediate thoughts minutes after watching it. Israel providing actual evidence to 3rd parties while Hamas and Al Jazeera provide none. For goodness sake pal, just zip it. I cannot even begin to enter a debate with you. You’re just unfortunately being incredibly foolish. Don’t let this ignorance define you and wake the F up! Try a little harder. " | |||
"15,000 dead, including 7,000 reported children. The dead children alone equivalent to the total pupils of 25 average sized uk primary schools. Add the rest with no arms, legs, loss of sight, orphans etc. Israeli war crimes, under US protection and supervision. Hamas murders dwarfed at 15:1. Suicide bombers will be coming for decades. Hamas' should surrender then. But they won't . This is not about Hamas it is the wider Islamic terror attacks that will come, globally i wouldnt bother explaining, nxt time someone crashes a plane into a building or brings down a bridge most americans will be sat there wondering why us because they think most people around the world like there goverment they fail to realise its only other goverments who side with them, most people know what an arrogant war mongering bunch there politicians are over there no need to wonder after 9/11 it will be obvious. Kind of like Israel don't need to wonder. It happened and now they going full out on their resolve. The are pressing the delete button on Hamas. Just because some of you agree with Hamas and their jihad against Israel. Israel has the right to end that threat." Your president doesn't agree with you as he warned Israel not to do what the US did, and Israel ignored him. | |||
"There's much more better and effective ways to deal with hamas but isreal is to narrow minded to do anything else unfortunately What ways are those? Well. Only my opinion here..but basically in. Nutshell: Isreal, for the past 70 years has fermented organisions like hamas , hesbola, Islamic brotherhood etc.. (forgive spelling) through the ring policy. Hamas"s aim is terrorist to create fear, chaos and instability in the country and area they operate in. not only targeting "enemy populations" but also endanger the lives of the people they rule over to achieve idealist goals. So far isreal has and continues to validate the existence of hamas by opression and collective punishment and drives pallistinians to join Hamas. One way, which isreal will never adopt is to de-validate hamas by giving ordinary pallistinians what any other people want.. lift them out of poverty, give them hope and aspirations for jobs careers... Treat them with dignity respect...etc. I know it's hard! I remember the good Friday agreement and I thought " but what about the victims of the IRA?" But the past has to be dropped and move forward. Possibly too late now after 70 years of oppression, who knows, but with the UN peacekeepers involved and separating the two who knows.. But it's not what isreal will do. Even though 70 years of oppression hasn't worked they'll keep onBrilliant post " Here Here | |||
"Everyone seems to ignore that all the other belligerents in the middleast could care less how the Palestinians are treated. Just as long as Israel is defeated." It's an inconvenient truth that people ignore, because there's no answer or cure. And it underpins everything Israel does, while undermining the argument for a soft and peaceful approach (which is what everyone wants to see). So, like you say, it's easier to ignore it even though you can see from the local demographics and recent history what the entire region wants... For true ethnic cleansing, just ask where are the Jews from Arab countries? Why are Christian, Kurd and Yazidi communities shrinking at such an alarming rate all throughout the Middle East? Why is pretty much every country an oppressive regime (to their own)? Why are Palestinians treated worse in Syria, Lebanon and Jordan (as literally second class citizens) than Israeli Arabs are treated in Israel (full citizenship rights)? These are inconvenient questions to answer. And they all lead back to your point. Is Israel perfect? No! Israelis have plenty to blame their politicians for and make no secret of it. But Israel is always the bad guy. The Hamas charter just puts into writing what most in the region feel, but don't want to say. And it reads like a deranged manifesto. | |||
"Really thoughtful post, actually. Some thoughts: Isreal, for the past 70 years has fermented organisions like hamas , hesbola, Islamic brotherhood etc.. (forgive spelling) through the ring policy. The Muslim Brotherhood dates well before the State of Israel, in Egypt. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muslim_Brotherhood It's philosophy, basically, is "Islam is the solution". It had many offshoots, of which one is Hamas. It was in Israel since 1935 and the Grand Mufti, Al-Hajj Amin al-Husseini, was a member. He is famous also for being great friends with Hitler and hatching a plot to kill the Jews in the Middle East. No occupation, no oppression. Hezbollah is the Lebanese puppet of Iran. They could simply ignore Israel and their life would be just fine. The Muslim Brotherhood and its offshoots usually begin with social aims, then as soon as they get power, they become highly oppressive and push their Islamist agenda. It operates where there is no Zionism or occupation. Hamas"s aim is terrorist to create fear, chaos and instability in the country and area they operate in. not only targeting "enemy populations" but also endanger the lives of the people they rule over to achieve idealist goals. To best understand Hamas's aims, check out their charter: https://avalon.law.yale.edu/20th_century/hamas.asp They have two key aims: (1) destroy Israel and Jews (2) bring the whole world into an enforced Sharia Muslim state "Israel will exist and will continue to exist until Islam will obliterate it, just as it obliterated others before it" "Under the wing of Islam, it is possible for the followers of the three religions - Islam, Christianity and Judaism - to coexist in peace and quiet with each other. Peace and quiet would not be possible except under the wing of Islam. Past and present history are the best witness to that." So far isreal has and continues to validate the existence of hamas by opression and collective punishment and drives pallistinians to join Hamas. One way, which isreal will never adopt is to de-validate hamas by giving ordinary pallistinians what any other people want.. lift them out of poverty, give them hope and aspirations for jobs careers... Treat them with dignity respect...etc. Israel does treat Palestinians with dignity and respect. In Israel, over two million Palestinians are full citizens, they serve in the army, parliament and the supreme court. The overwhelming majority are happy to live in a prosperous democracy as opposed to any other country in the region, and none want to be ruled by Hamas or the Palestinian Authority. Then you have Gaza, where Hamas was voted in AFTER Israel ethnically cleaned Gaza of all Jews. That's right, Israel pulled out of Gaza completely, there was no blockade, Gazans could enter Israel and work, or utilise international aid to begin their own businesses. It was freer than the West Bank, and they opted for Hamas. So although your theory makes perfect sense to a rational person in the UK, the facts on the ground in the Middle East say otherwise. And you are right about dignity. It is soul breaking to line up at a checkpoint as is you're a criminal. It's terrible for children to see their parents humiliated like that. Of course it causes resentment. But understand where it's coming from. Every time we fly, we remove our belts, shoes, liquids. How many aeroplanes have ever been hijacked? Now when you realise that Israel is hit by weekly attacks (some of them major, but rarely reported on in the West) and, for each or these successful ones, tens are prevented... It makes some sense. Israel gains nothing from oppressing people in Gaza, it's not their aim. They would much rather have a prosperous state on their southern border (which was their how in 2005), but Hamas and Islamism stepped in to prevent that. I know it's hard! I remember the good Friday agreement and I thought " but what about the victims of the IRA?" But the past has to be dropped and move forward. Israel and Northern Ireland are very different. Notably because of the geography and demographics of the Middle East, and the religious zealotry that actively calls for the destruction of Jews. That said, peace is possible. But it will take a long time of building up trust, and we're about three generations away from that being possible." | |||
"I have read a review if one can call it that of the screening, there was one in London Whitehall on Monday gone. The gist is that it is a terrible segment of film, taken from Hamas go pros, dash cam and cctv. It shows one beheading, no babies being killed or other things, no r4pes, but many shocking incidents of violence, some without context so one isn't really sure of what they are seeing. If they are trying to drum up support for this mass killing spree, it is not working, the tide is turning and even the US is getting uncomfortable, as boycotting companies who add to Israelis economy is spreading to the USA UK France and Germany not mentioning the middleasten countries. In the years to come Israel will become like Iran shunted by other countries for what they do to their population, the warcrimes they commit etc. You chose your source, he is playing down events you like that, because it appeals to your views. He has snared another and you spread his words… just like the o.p but you're in discussion about it with another persons words which the o.p has referred to on X and posted the link. so what are you on about, its ok for him and not for me. 15,000 and counting not to mention loss of limbs, sight mental scaring is nothing to play down or as in your case glorify as defence. the o.p link and you read and have discussed it @spencerguard on twitter." I have heard and seen the video from the left wing lunatic reporter you are quoting. That is why I'm confident in my stance. | |||
"https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12665359/Some-audience-whispered-make-stop-leaned-against-wall-cried-Journalists-watched-Israeli-compilation-Hamas-terror-footage-including-young-girl-shot-dead-hid-desk-reveal-left-horrified.html Is it isreali jounalists Some will be Jewish. . E.g the BBC correspondent is Others are not. And again are the journalists mentioned in your link isreali ?" Maybe the BBC? https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-67629181 | |||
"Everyone seems to ignore that all the other belligerents in the middleast could care less how the Palestinians are treated. Just as long as Israel is defeated. It's an inconvenient truth that people ignore, because there's no answer or cure. And it underpins everything Israel does, while undermining the argument for a soft and peaceful approach (which is what everyone wants to see). So, like you say, it's easier to ignore it even though you can see from the local demographics and recent history what the entire region wants... For true ethnic cleansing, just ask where are the Jews from Arab countries? Why are Christian, Kurd and Yazidi communities shrinking at such an alarming rate all throughout the Middle East? Why is pretty much every country an oppressive regime (to their own)? Why are Palestinians treated worse in Syria, Lebanon and Jordan (as literally second class citizens) than Israeli Arabs are treated in Israel (full citizenship rights)? These are inconvenient questions to answer. And they all lead back to your point. Is Israel perfect? No! Israelis have plenty to blame their politicians for and make no secret of it. But Israel is always the bad guy. The Hamas charter just puts into writing what most in the region feel, but don't want to say. And it reads like a deranged manifesto." | |||
"15,000 dead, including 7,000 reported children. The dead children alone equivalent to the total pupils of 25 average sized uk primary schools. Add the rest with no arms, legs, loss of sight, orphans etc. Israeli war crimes, under US protection and supervision. Hamas murders dwarfed at 15:1. Suicide bombers will be coming for decades. Hamas' should surrender then. But they won't . This is not about Hamas it is the wider Islamic terror attacks that will come, globally i wouldnt bother explaining, nxt time someone crashes a plane into a building or brings down a bridge most americans will be sat there wondering why us because they think most people around the world like there goverment they fail to realise its only other goverments who side with them, most people know what an arrogant war mongering bunch there politicians are over there no need to wonder after 9/11 it will be obvious. Kind of like Israel don't need to wonder. It happened and now they going full out on their resolve. The are pressing the delete button on Hamas. Just because some of you agree with Hamas and their jihad against Israel. Israel has the right to end that threat. Your president doesn't agree with you as he warned Israel not to do what the US did, and Israel ignored him." and Israel is ignoring that warning. I don't see the carrier strike group in the Mediterranean creating a no fly zone over Gaza. It's politics to appease silly people. | |||
"@AlexCrawfordSky · It is absolutely farcical to try to peddle the view that foreign journalists are not entering Gaza because it’s ‘dangerous’. International journalists have been delib blocked from entering #Gaza by primarily #Israel who doesnt want them seeing the war crimes. Well, we won't be able to see what Israel is up to at all cos they have blocked journalists from getting in. They can only see what Israel wants to show them. It's a active combat zone. Imagine if a journalist from a major news agency where killed in a Israeli airstrike. So yes Israel is taking precautions against the possibilities of that backlash. Kudos to Israel." As if journalists from major news agencies have not been assassinated within Gaza the past two months. Really. Some people  | |||
" As if journalists from major news agencies have not been assassinated within Gaza the past two months. Really. Some people "Well, don't stop there. Tell us! Or is this one of those "do you own research" things? | |||
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"Did love the response of the Israeli government spokesperson after the videos and photos coming out breaching the Geneva Conventions on treatment of prisoners once again by parading stripped male people they “rounded up “ Sky News presenter: so why did you strip them? Mark regev, isreali spokesman: we were checking to make sure they had no detonating devices on them.. (that bit is reasonable) Presenter: so why did you not give them their clothes back? Regev: don’t you know the Middle East is warm! (That bit… not so reasonable!)" Fair point. They should have dressed them back up in a conflict zone. Has Hamas been questioned as to why they didn’t dress the victims of the r word back up yet? Or the one paraded through the streets and spat on. | |||
" Fair point. They should have dressed them back up in a conflict zone. Has Hamas been questioned as to why they didn’t dress the victims of the r word back up yet? Or the one paraded through the streets and spat on. " Some people just get a hard on from reporting on anything they perceive as unfair from Israel. This website is all about getting off, so we should just let them get their rocks off by letting them gleefully point out what they don't like about Israel (while ignoring everything else in the region/world). No comment on the UNRWA employees' involvement as being against the Geneva convention, or any of the other breaches. Some people have very particular fetishes. | |||
" Fair point. They should have dressed them back up in a conflict zone. Has Hamas been questioned as to why they didn’t dress the victims of the r word back up yet? Or the one paraded through the streets and spat on. Some people just get a hard on from reporting on anything they perceive as unfair from Israel. This website is all about getting off, so we should just let them get their rocks off by letting them gleefully point out what they don't like about Israel (while ignoring everything else in the region/world). No comment on the UNRWA employees' involvement as being against the Geneva convention, or any of the other breaches. Some people have very particular fetishes." I think as a hill to die on it’s a particularly lame one by the press. I am particularly vociferous about the children and innocents dying in Gaza but on items like this give over! They pulled them out of their rat holes stripped them of their clothing for a reason then moved them. It’s not comet science as why. | |||
" Fair point. They should have dressed them back up in a conflict zone. Has Hamas been questioned as to why they didn’t dress the victims of the r word back up yet? Or the one paraded through the streets and spat on. Some people just get a hard on from reporting on anything they perceive as unfair from Israel. This website is all about getting off, so we should just let them get their rocks off by letting them gleefully point out what they don't like about Israel (while ignoring everything else in the region/world). No comment on the UNRWA employees' involvement as being against the Geneva convention, or any of the other breaches. Some people have very particular fetishes. I think as a hill to die on it’s a particularly lame one by the press. I am particularly vociferous about the children and innocents dying in Gaza but on items like this give over! They pulled them out of their rat holes stripped them of their clothing for a reason then moved them. It’s not comet science as why. " *Rocket | |||
"Don't see a problem. Information and mis-information in news reports and social media is a large part of war, both sides will do it to further their case. It's how the person viewing it judges how accurate it us. I agree. And certainly before israel has used misinformation. But independent journalists have viewed this form other countries and reported the evidence. We await hamas doing the same." Except it sounds like Isreal and Egypt have blocked journalists from getting in so they have no footage to share and what you await is not possible. Whatever reason why (to cover up or to protect the journalists), the outcome is still the same. It is biased to draw a conclusion based on inactivity, when the activity wouldn’t be possible in the first place. | |||
" Fair point. They should have dressed them back up in a conflict zone. Has Hamas been questioned as to why they didn’t dress the victims of the r word back up yet? Or the one paraded through the streets and spat on. Some people just get a hard on from reporting on anything they perceive as unfair from Israel. This website is all about getting off, so we should just let them get their rocks off by letting them gleefully point out what they don't like about Israel (while ignoring everything else in the region/world). No comment on the UNRWA employees' involvement as being against the Geneva convention, or any of the other breaches. Some people have very particular fetishes." I’ll bite…. What involvement of the United Nations refugee agency for Palestinian aid is against the Geneva convention….. or is that one of those “throw shit against the wall and see what sticks “ kind of statements? Heck.. if you are going to go after UNRWA, you may as well go the whole hog and insinuate UNICEF as well…. | |||
" Fair point. They should have dressed them back up in a conflict zone. Has Hamas been questioned as to why they didn’t dress the victims of the r word back up yet? Or the one paraded through the streets and spat on. Some people just get a hard on from reporting on anything they perceive as unfair from Israel. This website is all about getting off, so we should just let them get their rocks off by letting them gleefully point out what they don't like about Israel (while ignoring everything else in the region/world). No comment on the UNRWA employees' involvement as being against the Geneva convention, or any of the other breaches. Some people have very particular fetishes. I’ll bite…. What involvement of the United Nations refugee agency for Palestinian aid is against the Geneva convention….. or is that one of those “throw shit against the wall and see what sticks “ kind of statements? Heck.. if you are going to go after UNRWA, you may as well go the whole hog and insinuate UNICEF as well…." https://www.jpost.com/israel-news/article-776284 Of course, it's only an allegation from the hostage who was released. But if it were an allegation against Israel, some would be quick to post it. Note earlier wording "the UNRWA employees' involvement". | |||
