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"Netanyahu stated just now'when truce ends Israel will go back to fighting. One month before Christmas and Israel is not at peace. I cannot believe 2023 peace is not adhered to. I thought the peace treaty 1949 was to end all wars? " That’s how truces work. They’re meant to be temporary. Otherwise they’ve be called peace. | |||
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"Netanyahu stated just now'when truce ends Israel will go back to fighting. One month before Christmas and Israel is not at peace. I cannot believe 2023 peace is not adhered to. I thought the peace treaty 1949 was to end all wars? " So was the 'peace' of 1919. | |||
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I think it's largely a personal failing | |||
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"Netanyahu stated just now'when truce ends Israel will go back to fighting. One month before Christmas and Israel is not at peace. I cannot believe 2023 peace is not adhered to. I thought the peace treaty 1949 was to end all wars? " Someone needs to tell America this. Since 1776, the United States has been at war 93 percent of the time—227 out of 244 years, according to Global Research. | |||
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"Netanyahu stated just now'when truce ends Israel will go back to fighting. One month before Christmas and Israel is not at peace. I cannot believe 2023 peace is not adhered to. I thought the peace treaty 1949 was to end all wars? Someone needs to tell America this. Since 1776, the United States has been at war 93 percent of the time—227 out of 244 years, according to Global Research." Noted so tell everyone else to Quit fucking around and there will be no finding out. | |||
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"It's sad but he's not long for keeping power and by continuing fighting, he's holding up to power
I think it's largely a personal failing "He knows that if all the hostages are released and the IDF say we've severely damaged Hamas (which will not be eradicated in the current state of affairs), then the troops will withdraw and the spotlight for the failures that allowed the 7th October attack falls directly upon him and his government.. He was deeply unpopular before October and facing corruption charges so it's almost like prolonging the war is his best protection.. | |||
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"Netanyahu stated just now'when truce ends Israel will go back to fighting. One month before Christmas and Israel is not at peace. I cannot believe 2023 peace is not adhered to. I thought the peace treaty 1949 was to end all wars? Someone needs to tell America this. Since 1776, the United States has been at war 93 percent of the time—227 out of 244 years, according to Global Research. Noted so tell everyone else to Quit fucking around and there will be no finding out." How many countries actually attacked America..? Answers on the back of a post stamp. | |||
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"Netanyahu stated just now'when truce ends Israel will go back to fighting. One month before Christmas and Israel is not at peace. I cannot believe 2023 peace is not adhered to. I thought the peace treaty 1949 was to end all wars? Someone needs to tell America this. Since 1776, the United States has been at war 93 percent of the time—227 out of 244 years, according to Global Research. Noted so tell everyone else to Quit fucking around and there will be no finding out." That's some attempt at rewriting history Blu.. | |||
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"Netanyahu stated just now'when truce ends Israel will go back to fighting. One month before Christmas and Israel is not at peace. I cannot believe 2023 peace is not adhered to. I thought the peace treaty 1949 was to end all wars? Someone needs to tell America this. Since 1776, the United States has been at war 93 percent of the time—227 out of 244 years, according to Global Research. Noted so tell everyone else to Quit fucking around and there will be no finding out." thats the problem blu most people you been at war with havent fucked around and found out, majority of the time you have gone into countrys and destroyed them for no good reason, thats why your goverments are so unpopular around the world | |||
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"One month before Christmas and Israel is not at peace." Why is Christmas relevant? Clearly, religious holidays make great opportunities for invasions/violence? "I thought the peace treaty 1949 was to end all wars? " Until what point did you *really* think that, given the past 70+ years of history? | |||
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"Netanyahu stated just now'when truce ends Israel will go back to fighting. One month before Christmas and Israel is not at peace. I cannot believe 2023 peace is not adhered to. I thought the peace treaty 1949 was to end all wars? Someone needs to tell America this. Since 1776, the United States has been at war 93 percent of the time—227 out of 244 years, according to Global Research. Noted so tell everyone else to Quit fucking around and there will be no finding out.thats the problem blu most people you been at war with havent fucked around and found out, majority of the time you have gone into countrys and destroyed them for no good reason, thats why your goverments are so unpopular around the world" That is your problem. In global index for soft power who is number 1 again ? We are more popular than you claim we are not. | |||
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"Netanyahu stated just now'when truce ends Israel will go back to fighting. One month before Christmas and Israel is not at peace. I cannot believe 2023 peace is not adhered to. I thought the peace treaty 1949 was to end all wars? Someone needs to tell America this. Since 1776, the United States has been at war 93 percent of the time—227 out of 244 years, according to Global Research. Noted so tell everyone else to Quit fucking around and there will be no finding out. How many countries actually attacked America..? Answers on the back of a post stamp." The postage stamp could fit on... "Non-state actors regularly threaten to and do attack America" | |||
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"Netanyahu stated just now'when truce ends Israel will go back to fighting. One month before Christmas and Israel is not at peace. I cannot believe 2023 peace is not adhered to. I thought the peace treaty 1949 was to end all wars? Someone needs to tell America this. Since 1776, the United States has been at war 93 percent of the time—227 out of 244 years, according to Global Research." There's serious $$$$ to be made from war. That's why they're so keen. | |||
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"Netanyahu stated just now'when truce ends Israel will go back to fighting. One month before Christmas and Israel is not at peace. I cannot believe 2023 peace is not adhered to. I thought the peace treaty 1949 was to end all wars? Someone needs to tell America this. Since 1776, the United States has been at war 93 percent of the time—227 out of 244 years, according to Global Research. Noted so tell everyone else to Quit fucking around and there will be no finding out. How many countries actually attacked America..? Answers on the back of a post stamp." 1 country attacked and it found out. How many countless deaths were caused by GB again and other past attrocities and colonisation? We are no where near those statistics. | |||
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"Netanyahu stated just now'when truce ends Israel will go back to fighting. One month before Christmas and Israel is not at peace. I cannot believe 2023 peace is not adhered to. I thought the peace treaty 1949 was to end all wars? Someone needs to tell America this. Since 1776, the United States has been at war 93 percent of the time—227 out of 244 years, according to Global Research. There's serious $$$$ to be made from war. That's why they're so keen." There sure is money to be made. Hope they keep going. | |||
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"Netanyahu stated just now'when truce ends Israel will go back to fighting. One month before Christmas and Israel is not at peace. I cannot believe 2023 peace is not adhered to. I thought the peace treaty 1949 was to end all wars? Someone needs to tell America this. Since 1776, the United States has been at war 93 percent of the time—227 out of 244 years, according to Global Research. There's serious $$$$ to be made from war. That's why they're so keen. There sure is money to be made. Hope they keep going. " Personally, I value human life over money, so I am opposed to war for profit. | |||
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"Netanyahu stated just now'when truce ends Israel will go back to fighting. One month before Christmas and Israel is not at peace. I cannot believe 2023 peace is not adhered to. I thought the peace treaty 1949 was to end all wars? Someone needs to tell America this. Since 1776, the United States has been at war 93 percent of the time—227 out of 244 years, according to Global Research. Noted so tell everyone else to Quit fucking around and there will be no finding out. How many countries actually attacked America..? Answers on the back of a post stamp. 1 country attacked and it found out. How many countless deaths were caused by GB again and other past attrocities and colonisation? We are no where near those statistics. " Are you a native American? | |||
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"Netanyahu stated just now'when truce ends Israel will go back to fighting. One month before Christmas and Israel is not at peace. I cannot believe 2023 peace is not adhered to. I thought the peace treaty 1949 was to end all wars? Someone needs to tell America this. Since 1776, the United States has been at war 93 percent of the time—227 out of 244 years, according to Global Research. There's serious $$$$ to be made from war. That's why they're so keen. There sure is money to be made. Hope they keep going. Personally, I value human life over money, so I am opposed to war for profit." Good for you. Our defense industry employes thousands. Those people have their own livelihoods. I prefer them living their lives to the best of their abilities. Good for them. | |||
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"Netanyahu stated just now'when truce ends Israel will go back to fighting. One month before Christmas and Israel is not at peace. I cannot believe 2023 peace is not adhered to. I thought the peace treaty 1949 was to end all wars? Someone needs to tell America this. Since 1776, the United States has been at war 93 percent of the time—227 out of 244 years, according to Global Research. There's serious $$$$ to be made from war. That's why they're so keen. There sure is money to be made. Hope they keep going. Personally, I value human life over money, so I am opposed to war for profit. Good for you. Our defense industry employes thousands. Those people have their own livelihoods. I prefer them living their lives to the best of their abilities. Good for them." What about those who are dead? They're no longer living their lives. | |||
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"Netanyahu stated just now'when truce ends Israel will go back to fighting. One month before Christmas and Israel is not at peace. I cannot believe 2023 peace is not adhered to. I thought the peace treaty 1949 was to end all wars? Someone needs to tell America this. Since 1776, the United States has been at war 93 percent of the time—227 out of 244 years, according to Global Research. There's serious $$$$ to be made from war. That's why they're so keen. There sure is money to be made. Hope they keep going. Personally, I value human life over money, so I am opposed to war for profit. Good for you. Our defense industry employes thousands. Those people have their own livelihoods. I prefer them living their lives to the best of their abilities. Good for them. What about those who are dead? They're no longer living their lives. " Do I know them ? What negative impact are they creating here? It's been positive. General Dynamics opened a new facility. The ammo production plant in Joe Bidens hometown ramped up production. Everyone I know working at both places are happy. Do you think they care? | |||
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"Netanyahu stated just now'when truce ends Israel will go back to fighting. One month before Christmas and Israel is not at peace. I cannot believe 2023 peace is not adhered to. I thought the peace treaty 1949 was to end all wars? Someone needs to tell America this. Since 1776, the United States has been at war 93 percent of the time—227 out of 244 years, according to Global Research. Noted so tell everyone else to Quit fucking around and there will be no finding out. How many countries actually attacked America..? Answers on the back of a post stamp. 1 country attacked and it found out. How many countless deaths were caused by GB again and other past attrocities and colonisation? We are no where near those statistics. Are you a native American?" Why is king Charles the number 1 land owner in the world? You can't use that analysis now can you. | |||
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"Netanyahu stated just now'when truce ends Israel will go back to fighting. One month before Christmas and Israel is not at peace. I cannot believe 2023 peace is not adhered to. I thought the peace treaty 1949 was to end all wars? Someone needs to tell America this. Since 1776, the United States has been at war 93 percent of the time—227 out of 244 years, according to Global Research. There's serious $$$$ to be made from war. That's why they're so keen. There sure is money to be made. Hope they keep going. Personally, I value human life over money, so I am opposed to war for profit. Good for you. Our defense industry employes thousands. Those people have their own livelihoods. I prefer them living their lives to the best of their abilities. Good for them. What about those who are dead? They're no longer living their lives. Do I know them ? " You were in the army right, so probably yes. Do you know the CEOs of arms manufacturers who are making the $$$? " What negative impact are they creating here? " You have empathy for other humans? I assume so. The loss of human life from wars could sensibly be described as "negative". " It's been positive. General Dynamics opened a new facility. The ammo production plant in Joe Bidens hometown ramped up production. Everyone I know working at both places are happy. Do you think they care? " I don't know if they care or not. Maybe they just don't think about it. | |||
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"Netanyahu stated just now'when truce ends Israel will go back to fighting. One month before Christmas and Israel is not at peace. I cannot believe 2023 peace is not adhered to. I thought the peace treaty 1949 was to end all wars? Someone needs to tell America this. Since 1776, the United States has been at war 93 percent of the time—227 out of 244 years, according to Global Research. There's serious $$$$ to be made from war. That's why they're so keen. There sure is money to be made. Hope they keep going. Personally, I value human life over money, so I am opposed to war for profit. Good for you. Our defense industry employes thousands. Those people have their own livelihoods. I prefer them living their lives to the best of their abilities. Good for them. What about those who are dead? They're no longer living their lives. Do I know them ? You were in the army right, so probably yes. Do you know the CEOs of arms manufacturers who are making the $$$? What negative impact are they creating here? You have empathy for other humans? I assume so. The loss of human life from wars could sensibly be described as "negative". It's been positive. General Dynamics opened a new facility. The ammo production plant in Joe Bidens hometown ramped up production. Everyone I know working at both places are happy. Do you think they care? I don't know if they care or not. Maybe they just don't think about it. " That all your opinion not mine. See we both differ. If other countries want to purchase our weapons and have at it. That's on them. It keeps alot of people employed here. From the CEO right down to the factory workers and the local economies and other businesses. All positive. | |||
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"Netanyahu stated just now'when truce ends Israel will go back to fighting. One month before Christmas and Israel is not at peace. I cannot believe 2023 peace is not adhered to. I thought the peace treaty 1949 was to end all wars? " There will always be wars as long as we have tribes. If the answer to peace was one dominant tribe removing all other tribes, would that be a better route to peace, or should we keep on fighting smaller, bloodier wars with no actual long term benefits? | |||
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"Netanyahu stated just now'when truce ends Israel will go back to fighting. One month before Christmas and Israel is not at peace. I cannot believe 2023 peace is not adhered to. I thought the peace treaty 1949 was to end all wars? Someone needs to tell America this. Since 1776, the United States has been at war 93 percent of the time—227 out of 244 years, according to Global Research. There's serious $$$$ to be made from war. That's why they're so keen. There sure is money to be made. Hope they keep going. Personally, I value human life over money, so I am opposed to war for profit. Good for you. Our defense industry employes thousands. Those people have their own livelihoods. I prefer them living their lives to the best of their abilities. Good for them. What about those who are dead? They're no longer living their lives. Do I know them ? You were in the army right, so probably yes. Do you know the CEOs of arms manufacturers who are making the $$$? What negative impact are they creating here? You have empathy for other humans? I assume so. The loss of human life from wars could sensibly be described as "negative". It's been positive. General Dynamics opened a new facility. The ammo production plant in Joe Bidens hometown ramped up production. Everyone I know working at both places are happy. Do you think they care? I don't know if they care or not. Maybe they just don't think about it. That all your opinion not mine. See we both differ. If other countries want to purchase our weapons and have at it. That's on them. It keeps alot of people employed here. From the CEO right down to the factory workers and the local economies and other businesses. All positive." I understand. I debate the "all positive" though, the large scale loss of human life through war would usually be described as a negative. | |||
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"Netanyahu stated just now'when truce ends Israel will go back to fighting. One month before Christmas and Israel is not at peace. I cannot believe 2023 peace is not adhered to. I thought the peace treaty 1949 was to end all wars? There will always be wars as long as we have tribes. If the answer to peace was one dominant tribe removing all other tribes, would that be a better route to peace, or should we keep on fighting smaller, bloodier wars with no actual long term benefits?" Not everyone thinks the same or have the same values as everyone else. Some people can't grasp that. They just want everyone to be just like them. So there will always be conflicts and wars. My tribes are a hell of a lot different than people there tribes. I am not going to change at all. Unless forced to I die well then I die. Just like Hamas it's their belief they are doing the right thing. I'll do mine you do yours. So wars will continue. Might as well be prepared and efficient at it. | |||
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"Netanyahu stated just now'when truce ends Israel will go back to fighting. One month before Christmas and Israel is not at peace. I cannot believe 2023 peace is not adhered to. I thought the peace treaty 1949 was to end all wars? Someone needs to tell America this. Since 1776, the United States has been at war 93 percent of the time—227 out of 244 years, according to Global Research. There's serious $$$$ to be made from war. That's why they're so keen. There sure is money to be made. Hope they keep going. Personally, I value human life over money, so I am opposed to war for profit. Good for you. Our defense industry employes thousands. Those people have their own livelihoods. I prefer them living their lives to the best of their abilities. Good for them. What about those who are dead? They're no longer living their lives. Do I know them ? You were in the army right, so probably yes. Do you know the CEOs of arms manufacturers who are making the $$$? What negative impact are they creating here? You have empathy for other humans? I assume so. The loss of human life from wars could sensibly be described as "negative". It's been positive. General Dynamics opened a new facility. The ammo production plant in Joe Bidens hometown ramped up production. Everyone I know working at both places are happy. Do you think they care? I don't know if they care or not. Maybe they just don't think about it. That all your opinion not mine. See we both differ. If other countries want to purchase our weapons and have at it. That's on them. It keeps alot of people employed here. From the CEO right down to the factory workers and the local economies and other businesses. All positive." From their perspective, it's the war that's the problem and not the weapons. If they don't manufacture the weapons, someone else will. Or Israel/Hamas will manufacture their own weapons. Brutal killings in wars have been happening ever since humans formed tribes. It's not like manufacturing weapons only starts the wars. Now if any of these weapon manufacturers play a role in starting the war, that's a different story | |||
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"One month before Christmas and Israel is not at peace. Why is Christmas relevant? Clearly, religious holidays make great opportunities for invasions/violence? I thought the peace treaty 1949 was to end all wars? Until what point did you *really* think that, given the past 70+ years of history?" anti Catholics agenda innit. Fighting on a religious day they don't celebrate. | |||
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"Netanyahu stated just now'when truce ends Israel will go back to fighting. One month before Christmas and Israel is not at peace. I cannot believe 2023 peace is not adhered to. I thought the peace treaty 1949 was to end all wars? There will always be wars as long as we have tribes. If the answer to peace was one dominant tribe removing all other tribes, would that be a better route to peace, or should we keep on fighting smaller, bloodier wars with no actual long term benefits?" Even with one tribe left, it would just start all over again. You know like Abrahams tribe became Isaacs and Ishmael tribe. Who then split into Judaism, Christianty, Sunni and Shia Muslims etc. | |||
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"Netanyahu stated just now'when truce ends Israel will go back to fighting. One month before Christmas and Israel is not at peace. I cannot believe 2023 peace is not adhered to. I thought the peace treaty 1949 was to end all wars? Someone needs to tell America this. Since 1776, the United States has been at war 93 percent of the time—227 out of 244 years, according to Global Research. Noted so tell everyone else to Quit fucking around and there will be no finding out. How many countries actually attacked America..? Answers on the back of a post stamp. 1 country attacked and it found out. How many countless deaths were caused by GB again and other past attrocities and colonisation? We are no where near those statistics. " The difference is GB took in migration from its former colonisation. Your recent wars created so much migration to Europe who pay the price. But because of your geographical location you don't face that cost. But instead reap all of any benefits. | |||
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"Netanyahu stated just now'when truce ends Israel will go back to fighting. One month before Christmas and Israel is not at peace. I cannot believe 2023 peace is not adhered to. I thought the peace treaty 1949 was to end all wars? Someone needs to tell America this. Since 1776, the United States has been at war 93 percent of the time—227 out of 244 years, according to Global Research. Noted so tell everyone else to Quit fucking around and there will be no finding out. How many countries actually attacked America..? Answers on the back of a post stamp. 1 country attacked and it found out. How many countless deaths were caused by GB again and other past attrocities and colonisation? We are no where near those statistics. The difference is GB took in migration from its former colonisation. Your recent wars created so much migration to Europe who pay the price. But because of your geographical location you don't face that cost. But instead reap all of any benefits. " We take in more immigrants than any country on the planet. By a wide margin. We face 10 times the cost you do. | |||
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"Netanyahu stated just now'when truce ends Israel will go back to fighting. One month before Christmas and Israel is not at peace. I cannot believe 2023 peace is not adhered to. I thought the peace treaty 1949 was to end all wars? Someone needs to tell America this. Since 1776, the United States has been at war 93 percent of the time—227 out of 244 years, according to Global Research. Noted so tell everyone else to Quit fucking around and there will be no finding out. How many countries actually attacked America..? Answers on the back of a post stamp. 1 country attacked and it found out. How many countless deaths were caused by GB again and other past attrocities and colonisation? We are no where near those statistics. The difference is GB took in migration from its former colonisation. Your recent wars created so much migration to Europe who pay the price. But because of your geographical location you don't face that cost. But instead reap all of any benefits. We take in more immigrants than any country on the planet. By a wide margin. We face 10 times the cost you do." Not from your Middle Eastern ventures you don't. Dont see boats heading across the Atlantic. From Central and South America yes which you get for planting your puppet dictatorships all over there. | |||
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"Netanyahu stated just now'when truce ends Israel will go back to fighting. One month before Christmas and Israel is not at peace. I cannot believe 2023 peace is not adhered to. I thought the peace treaty 1949 was to end all wars? Someone needs to tell America this. Since 1776, the United States has been at war 93 percent of the time—227 out of 244 years, according to Global Research. Noted so tell everyone else to Quit fucking around and there will be no finding out. How many countries actually attacked America..? Answers on the back of a post stamp. 1 country attacked and it found out. How many countless deaths were caused by GB again and other past attrocities and colonisation? We are no where near those statistics. The difference is GB took in migration from its former colonisation. Your recent wars created so much migration to Europe who pay the price. But because of your geographical location you don't face that cost. But instead reap all of any benefits. We take in more immigrants than any country on the planet. By a wide margin. We face 10 times the cost you do. Not from your Middle Eastern ventures you don't. Dont see boats heading across the Atlantic. From Central and South America yes which you get for planting your puppet dictatorships all over there." And I don't see boats heading there from Mexico. Wanna trade if it makes you feel better? | |||
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"Netanyahu stated just now'when truce ends Israel will go back to fighting. One month before Christmas and Israel is not at peace. I cannot believe 2023 peace is not adhered to. I thought the peace treaty 1949 was to end all wars? Someone needs to tell America this. Since 1776, the United States has been at war 93 percent of the time—227 out of 244 years, according to Global Research. Noted so tell everyone else to Quit fucking around and there will be no finding out. How many countries actually attacked America..? Answers on the back of a post stamp. 1 country attacked and it found out. How many countless deaths were caused by GB again and other past attrocities and colonisation? We are no where near those statistics. The difference is GB took in migration from its former colonisation. Your recent wars created so much migration to Europe who pay the price. But because of your geographical location you don't face that cost. But instead reap all of any benefits. We take in more immigrants than any country on the planet. By a wide margin. We face 10 times the cost you do. Not from your Middle Eastern ventures you don't. Dont see boats heading across the Atlantic. From Central and South America yes which you get for planting your puppet dictatorships all over there. And I don't see boats heading there from Mexico. Wanna trade if it makes you feel better?" are you talking immigrants or refugees ? And in total or per capita ? | |||
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"Israel? Best two words to describe the situation would be 'shit show' in all honesty. Peacekeepers need to go in and stay in for as long as it takes. No taking sides as they clearly hate each other far too much." Never going to happen because the USA will veto any suggestion of it at the UN. They want Israel to be able to do whatever they want with impunity. “Shitshow” is a really accurate description of the situation. It was a British decision that caused it, all those years ago. It’s American support for Israeli war crimes that has perpetuated it for many decades. It’s all very sad. | |||
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"Netanyahu stated just now'when truce ends Israel will go back to fighting. One month before Christmas and Israel is not at peace. I cannot believe 2023 peace is not adhered to. I thought the peace treaty 1949 was to end all wars? Someone needs to tell America this. Since 1776, the United States has been at war 93 percent of the time—227 out of 244 years, according to Global Research. Noted so tell everyone else to Quit fucking around and there will be no finding out. How many countries actually attacked America..? Answers on the back of a post stamp. 1 country attacked and it found out. How many countless deaths were caused by GB again and other past attrocities and colonisation? We are no where near those statistics. The difference is GB took in migration from its former colonisation. Your recent wars created so much migration to Europe who pay the price. But because of your geographical location you don't face that cost. But instead reap all of any benefits. We take in more immigrants than any country on the planet. By a wide margin. We face 10 times the cost you do. Not from your Middle Eastern ventures you don't. Dont see boats heading across the Atlantic. From Central and South America yes which you get for planting your puppet dictatorships all over there. And I don't see boats heading there from Mexico. Wanna trade if it makes you feel better?are you talking immigrants or refugees ? And in total or per capita ? " My apologies refugees. Yes Britain and to a lesser extent other European countries get right behind these American adventures in Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya and Syria etc. But while the Americans get all the benefits of government puppet regimes and rebuild contracts and military bases. Europe gets the fleeing refugees. Should have a rule the where the parties involved get the refugees according to their involvement. Including countries just selling the weapons. That might make them think twice. | |||
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"Israel? Best two words to describe the situation would be 'shit show' in all honesty. Peacekeepers need to go in and stay in for as long as it takes. No taking sides as they clearly hate each other far too much." Nobody is safe from Hamas and islamists. As it says in the Quran the rest of us are to be slain, not just Israeli's. 328 people from 40 countries were confirmed as dead or missing after the attack by Hamas In addition 54 of the current hostages, are from 25 foreign states | |||
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"Israel? Best two words to describe the situation would be 'shit show' in all honesty. Peacekeepers need to go in and stay in for as long as it takes. No taking sides as they clearly hate each other far too much. Nobody is safe from Hamas and islamists. As it says in the Quran the rest of us are to be slain, not just Israeli's. 328 people from 40 countries were confirmed as dead or missing after the attack by Hamas In addition 54 of the current hostages, are from 25 foreign states " does any of the mono religions allow an end of days where we aren't either killed or converted ? | |||
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"Israel? Best two words to describe the situation would be 'shit show' in all honesty. Peacekeepers need to go in and stay in for as long as it takes. No taking sides as they clearly hate each other far too much. Nobody is safe from Hamas and islamists. As it says in the Quran the rest of us are to be slain, not just Israeli's. 328 people from 40 countries were confirmed as dead or missing after the attack by Hamas In addition 54 of the current hostages, are from 25 foreign states does any of the mono religions allow an end of days where we aren't either killed or converted ? " Buddhists seem pretty calm, hold on let me do a quick google….. scrub that, they have been to war, but not a as bad as other wars of course. | |||
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"Israel? Best two words to describe the situation would be 'shit show' in all honesty. Peacekeepers need to go in and stay in for as long as it takes. No taking sides as they clearly hate each other far too much. Nobody is safe from Hamas and islamists. As it says in the Quran the rest of us are to be slain, not just Israeli's. 328 people from 40 countries were confirmed as dead or missing after the attack by Hamas In addition 54 of the current hostages, are from 25 foreign states does any of the mono religions allow an end of days where we aren't either killed or converted ? Buddhists seem pretty calm, hold on let me do a quick google….. scrub that, they have been to war, but not a as bad as other wars of course." buddhism isn't one of the three mono religions either ! | |||
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"Israel? Best two words to describe the situation would be 'shit show' in all honesty. Peacekeepers need to go in and stay in for as long as it takes. No taking sides as they clearly hate each other far too much. Nobody is safe from Hamas and islamists. As it says in the Quran the rest of us are to be slain, not just Israeli's. 328 people from 40 countries were confirmed as dead or missing after the attack by Hamas In addition 54 of the current hostages, are from 25 foreign states does any of the mono religions allow an end of days where we aren't either killed or converted ? Buddhists seem pretty calm, hold on let me do a quick google….. scrub that, they have been to war, but not a as bad as other wars of course.buddhism isn't one of the three mono religions either !" Nope, but you are asking rhetorical questions…. | |||
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"Israel? Best two words to describe the situation would be 'shit show' in all honesty. Peacekeepers need to go in and stay in for as long as it takes. No taking sides as they clearly hate each other far too much. Nobody is safe from Hamas and islamists. As it says in the Quran the rest of us are to be slain, not just Israeli's. 328 people from 40 countries were confirmed as dead or missing after the attack by Hamas In addition 54 of the current hostages, are from 25 foreign states does any of the mono religions allow an end of days where we aren't either killed or converted ? Buddhists seem pretty calm, hold on let me do a quick google….. scrub that, they have been to war, but not a as bad as other wars of course.buddhism isn't one of the three mono religions either ! Nope, but you are asking rhetorical questions…. " it's a legitimate question. I believe the answer is they all have the same ending. But I'm not well versed in any of the three. | |||
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"Havering Council will not light Hanukkah candles over fears of ‘inflaming’ tensions. I wonder what the social justice warrior Mr.Sadiq Khan has to say about this." They're basically saying that a certain segment of the community is uncontrollably anti-Jewish, or that they are. But they cannot say that outright. | |||
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"Havering Council will not light Hanukkah candles over fears of ‘inflaming’ tensions. I wonder what the social justice warrior Mr.Sadiq Khan has to say about this." Very sad. | |||
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"Havering Council will not light Hanukkah candles over fears of ‘inflaming’ tensions. I wonder what the social justice warrior Mr.Sadiq Khan has to say about this." It's very curious that they mention "an increase in the number of hate crimes in Havering, both towards the Jewish and Muslim community". Are they concerned that the Hannukah candles will cause an increase in hate crimes against the Muslim community? If not, why reference the hate crimes towards the Muslim community? Is it because it would be "unbalanced" to say "we are concerned for the wellbeing of the Jewish community and vandalism against their religious symbols, due to an increase in hate crimes against the Jews"? Or are they looking to protect the Muslim community from the rampaging Jews who will rendezvous at said candles and go on a Muslim hunt? Or is it to somehow drag Muslims into this decision, with the subtext that Muslims are to blame? It's all a bit cack-handed, really. Full article from the local paper is here: https://thehaveringdaily.co.uk/2023/11/30/exclusive-how-shameful-how-low-can-havering-council-go-than-to-limit-the-public-celebration-of-chanukah/ | |||
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"My take is along the lines of "We are seeing fall out from the war in the middle east locally. As it only takes one idiot to cause criminal damage, we feel it unwise to risk spending money on something that may get vandalised. This happens to be a Jewish thing today, but we'd have done the same it it was a Muslim/palenstine thing tomorrow"" And this, folks, is (the beginning of the slippery slope as to) how terrorism wins. | |||
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"My take is along the lines of "We are seeing fall out from the war in the middle east locally. As it only takes one idiot to cause criminal damage, we feel it unwise to risk spending money on something that may get vandalised. This happens to be a Jewish thing today, but we'd have done the same it it was a Muslim/palenstine thing tomorrow" And this, folks, is (the beginning of the slippery slope as to) how terrorism wins." how ? | |||
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"My take is along the lines of "We are seeing fall out from the war in the middle east locally. As it only takes one idiot to cause criminal damage, we feel it unwise to risk spending money on something that may get vandalised. This happens to be a Jewish thing today, but we'd have done the same it it was a Muslim/palenstine thing tomorrow" And this, folks, is (the beginning of the slippery slope as to) how terrorism wins.how ? " The premise of terrorism is that a small violent group can coerce a population into complicity by choosing peace over principles. Threaten violence and, if the cost of appeasement is less than the impact of violence, then that society will go against its principles. It's like paying a blackm*iler - simpler to lose $1000 than try to take them on and risk exposure. While there's no specific terrorist threat here (that we know of), the mindset is the same - give up rather than stand up. This is why Hamas declared "we love death more than Israel loves life", the implication being that Hamas will win because Israel is "too soft" and unwilling to pay with their lives, so will negotiate against their national interest for an end to terrorism (in their view). The cost of NOT standing up to blackma*lers/terrorists/violent nut-jobs is that future ones see opportunity for exploitation. The whole purpose of gay pride and pride marches was because there was an understanding that gays would be tolerated if they kept quiet. Gays then said "no, we will stand up to this" and began pride marches to challenge this, and it worked - gays did not want to live in the shadows. Slowly allowing threats of violence to suppress religious, sexual or other expression is ultimately self-defeating. Rather, if it's a real issue (which it really probably isn't), the council should take a stand on this matter and ensure the security of said installation. Would that cost extra? Yes. But the cost would not be towards a specific small (0.5% of the Havering population) community, but rather towards the defence of the same "British Values" that the council teaches in their own schools. Now, if this were a political Israel/Havering relations monument, then you might have a point - it would be fair enough to say "now is not the right time". But this is an ancient religious installation, and religion should be protected. The message "just put your head down and stay quiet - it's not worth the headache" is a dangerous one where oppressed minorities (which they're declaring the Jewish community is) are concerned. Where a community does not stand up for itself in the threat of violence is where such a threat works, and that's exactly what terrorism aims to achieve - such a mindset. | |||
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"Okay got you. I agree, I think they made the wrong decision here but was more positioning why they may have made their decision, and why they included the Muslim part. I think they did it because it wasn't about only "Muslims attacking Jewish stuff" but "groups attacking each other" And in your example the terrorists are the ones in the UK who are causing crimes and creating fear. And seem to be on both sides. While it's an emotional word, I agree these people win of we don't take a stand. I take your point on Jewish religious instillations but judaism and Israel are inextricably linked more so than any other country / religion. It's why Israel is mentioned in parts of what is antisemtic. It's not perfectly reflective bit there's a degree of cake and eating it in differentiating the two sometimes but not others. " In all seriousness, have any Jewish groups (or even individuals on any meaningful scale) attacked any Muslims in the UK? You might be able to drag out one or two extremely isolated incidents, but it's vanishingly rare. Now, turn that question around. There's no "groups attacking each other". | |||
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"Okay got you. I agree, I think they made the wrong decision here but was more positioning why they may have made their decision, and why they included the Muslim part. I think they did it because it wasn't about only "Muslims attacking Jewish stuff" but "groups attacking each other" And in your example the terrorists are the ones in the UK who are causing crimes and creating fear. And seem to be on both sides. While it's an emotional word, I agree these people win of we don't take a stand. I take your point on Jewish religious instillations but judaism and Israel are inextricably linked more so than any other country / religion. It's why Israel is mentioned in parts of what is antisemtic. It's not perfectly reflective bit there's a degree of cake and eating it in differentiating the two sometimes but not others. In all seriousness, have any Jewish groups (or even individuals on any meaningful scale) attacked any Muslims in the UK? You might be able to drag out one or two extremely isolated incidents, but it's vanishingly rare. Now, turn that question around. There's no "groups attacking each other". " going by what is said. Hate crimes are up. Now, I completely buy that there are non Jewish actors contributing to anti Muslim abuse. I also buy that there are non Muslim actors here. Because people wil happily use any excuse to act out. And because this isn't just a religious battle, but an actual war resulting in deaths. On both sides. So the sides aren't really religion A v religion B but as much a bit of that for historical reasons and a bit of Israel v Palenstine. That creates groups. Not easily defined groups. Maybe venn diagrams of groups in cases. I suspect you agree here as you queried why a religious artifact was at risk when this is about Israel. Yet you have turned to asking about Jews and Muslims. It's complex. No doubt. It's not one sided tho. Here or in the middle east. | |||
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"judaism and Israel are inextricably linked more so than any other country / religion. It's why Israel is mentioned in parts of what is antisemtic. It's not perfectly reflective bit there's a degree of cake and eating it in differentiating the two sometimes but not others. " Israel/Palestine is THE birthplace of the 3 monotheistic religions, Judaism, Christianity and Islam. Each claim their stake. The history in the area is super complex. There are other nations at play (Iran) and many other factions other than Hamas fighting the Israelis (more importantly the recognition of the State of Israel). Stay tuned folks, this has been going on for over a hundred years and may just go on another hundred. | |||
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" The premise of terrorism is that a small violent group can coerce a population into complicity by choosing peace over principles. Threaten violence and, if the cost of appeasement is less than the impact of violence, then that society will go against its principles. It's like paying a blackm*iler - simpler to lose $1000 than try to take them on and risk exposure. While there's no specific terrorist threat here (that we know of), the mindset is the same - give up rather than stand up. This is why Hamas declared "we love death more than Israel loves life", the implication being that Hamas will win because Israel is "too soft" and unwilling to pay with their lives, so will negotiate against their national interest for an end to terrorism (in their view). The cost of NOT standing up to blackma*lers/terrorists/violent nut-jobs is that future ones see opportunity for exploitation. The whole purpose of gay pride and pride marches was because there was an understanding that gays would be tolerated if they kept quiet. Gays then said "no, we will stand up to this" and began pride marches to challenge this, and it worked - gays did not want to live in the shadows. Slowly allowing threats of violence to suppress religious, sexual or other expression is ultimately self-defeating. Rather, if it's a real issue (which it really probably isn't), the council should take a stand on this matter and ensure the security of said installation. Would that cost extra? Yes. But the cost would not be towards a specific small (0.5% of the Havering population) community, but rather towards the defence of the same "British Values" that the council teaches in their own schools. Now, if this were a political Israel/Havering relations monument, then you might have a point - it would be fair enough to say "now is not the right time". But this is an ancient religious installation, and religion should be protected. The message "just put your head down and stay quiet - it's not worth the headache" is a dangerous one where oppressed minorities (which they're declaring the Jewish community is) are concerned. Where a community does not stand up for itself in the threat of violence is where such a threat works, and that's exactly what terrorism aims to achieve - such a mindset." Great post! This in my opinion is the biggest problem in UK and probably rest of Europe too. The police forces are taught to "de-escalate" the situation instead of defending people's rights. Most people are non-confrontational. If there is a potential that some people will respond with violence, the response seems to be "Why bother? Let's not do the thing that will offend them and make them cause violence" This is a big win for the violent groups because it has proven that violence works. Ideally, if we know that a group is going to respond violently to something, we need to do that exact thing, bring out the violent individuals and it's the police's job to arrest the ones who come out to commit the violence. Instead, we act scared of these violent groups and give more confidence to them. This is exactly how you lose your personal liberty. | |||
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"My take is along the lines of "We are seeing fall out from the war in the middle east locally. As it only takes one idiot to cause criminal damage, we feel it unwise to risk spending money on something that may get vandalised. This happens to be a Jewish thing today, but we'd have done the same it it was a Muslim/palenstine thing tomorrow"" Do you believe that if there is an Muslim _estival, councils would avoid doing this because of fear of it being vandalised? I am 100% sure that won't be the case. | |||
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"Israel/Palestine is THE birthplace of the 3 monotheistic religions, Judaism, Christianity and Islam." Actually... Judaism - check. Christianity - check. Islam? Israel wishes it owned Saudi Arabia! https://www.saudiembassy.net/islam#:~:text=To%20Saudi%20Arabia%2C%20caring%20for,on%20behalf%20of%20all%20Muslims. "To Saudi Arabia, caring for the holy cities of Makkah, the birthplace of Islam and the Prophet Muhammad, and Madinah, the Prophet's burial place, is a sacred trust exercised on behalf of all Muslims. " | |||
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"My take is along the lines of "We are seeing fall out from the war in the middle east locally. As it only takes one idiot to cause criminal damage, we feel it unwise to risk spending money on something that may get vandalised. This happens to be a Jewish thing today, but we'd have done the same it it was a Muslim/palenstine thing tomorrow" Do you believe that if there is an Muslim _estival, councils would avoid doing this because of fear of it being vandalised? I am 100% sure that won't be the case." I'm not 100pc sure,no. It's a bit what if, and our hypothesis likely involves personal bias in our own part. Indeed whether cancelling was needed likely has some personal bias on there. I don't think it would have been damaged but ironically I think decisions like this increase the likelihood as it fans tensions. I think if there was a Muslim artifact put up next week, it's more likely to be damaged now. Not necessarily by a Jewish person, but because we are fanning flames ATM. | |||
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"Israel/Palestine is THE birthplace of the 3 monotheistic religions, Judaism, Christianity and Islam. Actually... Judaism - check. Christianity - check. Islam? Israel wishes it owned Saudi Arabia! https://www.saudiembassy.net/islam#:~:text=To%20Saudi%20Arabia%2C%20caring%20for,on%20behalf%20of%20all%20Muslims. "To Saudi Arabia, caring for the holy cities of Makkah, the birthplace of Islam and the Prophet Muhammad, and Madinah, the Prophet's burial place, is a sacred trust exercised on behalf of all Muslims. "" it's where Muhammad went up to heaven. Similar to Jesus. I'm not even sure where Judaism was "born" but clearly Jerusalem has a huge part on their history. | |||
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"My take is along the lines of "We are seeing fall out from the war in the middle east locally. As it only takes one idiot to cause criminal damage, we feel it unwise to risk spending money on something that may get vandalised. This happens to be a Jewish thing today, but we'd have done the same it it was a Muslim/palenstine thing tomorrow" Do you believe that if there is an Muslim _estival, councils would avoid doing this because of fear of it being vandalised? I am 100% sure that won't be the case.I'm not 100pc sure,no. It's a bit what if, and our hypothesis likely involves personal bias in our own part. Indeed whether cancelling was needed likely has some personal bias on there. I don't think it would have been damaged but ironically I think decisions like this increase the likelihood as it fans tensions. I think if there was a Muslim artifact put up next week, it's more likely to be damaged now. Not necessarily by a Jewish person, but because we are fanning flames ATM. " Yeah it it's a Muslim artifact, it's probably someone like Tommy Robinson doing the damage. But I don't think any council will stop doing something they have been doing for years if it's a Muslim artifact. Either way, a society should stand up and take the fight to extremists, not hide in fear. | |||
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"Now, I completely buy that there are non Jewish actors contributing to anti Muslim abuse." Would you go further and say "I am currently unaware that Jews are abusing Muslims in the UK, at all?" Saying "you buy" that there are "non-Jewish actors" implies an expectation that UK hate crimes against Muslims are generally by Jews, and you need to "buy" that some others "contribute" to it. If you think about it, that's a startling statement. "I also buy that there are non Muslim actors here. Because people wil happily use any excuse to act out. And because this isn't just a religious battle, but an actual war resulting in deaths. On both sides. " In the Middle East, yes. "So the sides aren't really religion A v religion B but as much a bit of that for historical reasons and a bit of Israel v Palenstine." There is no "v" here. In fact, Muslims shouldn't come into the discussion altogether. It's a fun night out for Jewish families. It always has been. No other agenda. You do understand that this is the equivalent of installing a Christmas tree and having a light-switching-on ceremony? This has been going on all over the UK for decades and is totally apolitical and has absolutely nothing to do with the State of Israel? It's literally an event that Jewish families take their kids to, to see that they are being recognised in a land otherwise festooned with Christmas trees? "That creates groups. Not easily defined groups. Maybe venn diagrams of groups in cases. I suspect you agree here as you queried why a religious artifact was at risk when this is about Israel. Yet you have turned to asking about Jews and Muslims. " No, Havering Council raised that issue. "It's complex. No doubt. It's not one sided tho. Here or in the middle east. " What's not one-sided here? That statement is a platitude, at best. | |||
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"Israel/Palestine is THE birthplace of the 3 monotheistic religions, Judaism, Christianity and Islam. Actually... Judaism - check. Christianity - check. Islam? Israel wishes it owned Saudi Arabia! https://www.saudiembassy.net/islam#:~:text=To%20Saudi%20Arabia%2C%20caring%20for,on%20behalf%20of%20all%20Muslims. "To Saudi Arabia, caring for the holy cities of Makkah, the birthplace of Islam and the Prophet Muhammad, and Madinah, the Prophet's burial place, is a sacred trust exercised on behalf of all Muslims. "" Jerusalem is referred to as Al Quds. The Holy city by Muslims. Mecca and Medina being the other 2. | |||
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"Now, I completely buy that there are non Jewish actors contributing to anti Muslim abuse. Would you go further and say "I am currently unaware that Jews are abusing Muslims in the UK, at all?" Saying "you buy" that there are "non-Jewish actors" implies an expectation that UK hate crimes against Muslims are generally by Jews, and you need to "buy" that some others "contribute" to it. If you think about it, that's a startling statement. I also buy that there are non Muslim actors here. Because people wil happily use any excuse to act out. And because this isn't just a religious battle, but an actual war resulting in deaths. On both sides. In the Middle East, yes. So the sides aren't really religion A v religion B but as much a bit of that for historical reasons and a bit of Israel v Palenstine. There is no "v" here. In fact, Muslims shouldn't come into the discussion altogether. It's a fun night out for Jewish families. It always has been. No other agenda. You do understand that this is the equivalent of installing a Christmas tree and having a light-switching-on ceremony? This has been going on all over the UK for decades and is totally apolitical and has absolutely nothing to do with the State of Israel? It's literally an event that Jewish families take their kids to, to see that they are being recognised in a land otherwise festooned with Christmas trees? That creates groups. Not easily defined groups. Maybe venn diagrams of groups in cases. I suspect you agree here as you queried why a religious artifact was at risk when this is about Israel. Yet you have turned to asking about Jews and Muslims. No, Havering Council raised that issue. It's complex. No doubt. It's not one sided tho. Here or in the middle east. What's not one-sided here? That statement is a platitude, at best." I can't do fancy quotes. To be clear, i have no definite view (as in evidence) of who is committing the hate crimes in either sides. I've seen stats that say it has risen, more so for Jewish hate crimes, but also from a lower base. My suspicion is that most of the shit on both sides is from people with no skin in the middle east game but using it as a smoke screen. I hope that clears that bit up. I know that this is a religious thing. However as I have said, judaism and Israel are more linked than any other country and religion. I can't think of any other example of this to draw an equivalence with. | |||
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" I know that this is a religious thing. However as I have said, judaism and Israel are more linked than any other country and religion. I can't think of any other example of this to draw an equivalence with. " Judaism being linked to Israel should have no effect whatsoever for Jews in the UK. Celebrating a _estival in a way the council has been doing for years should have no impact from a war happening in the middle east. If some lunatics decide to vandalise, they should be arrested. That's the job of police. The council should not act like this out of fear. | |||
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" I know that this is a religious thing. However as I have said, judaism and Israel are more linked than any other country and religion. I can't think of any other example of this to draw an equivalence with. Judaism being linked to Israel should have no effect whatsoever for Jews in the UK. Celebrating a _estival in a way the council has been doing for years should have no impact from a war happening in the middle east. If some lunatics decide to vandalise, they should be arrested. That's the job of police. The council should not act like this out of fear."  | |||
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" I know that this is a religious thing. However as I have said, judaism and Israel are more linked than any other country and religion. I can't think of any other example of this to draw an equivalence with. Judaism being linked to Israel should have no effect whatsoever for Jews in the UK. Celebrating a _estival in a way the council has been doing for years should have no impact from a war happening in the middle east. If some lunatics decide to vandalise, they should be arrested. That's the job of police. The council should not act like this out of fear." I agree. There shouldn't be a cross over. But we are in a country that smashew up BMWd and kebab shops when Germany beat England (irrc) So I'm simply saying why they may have drawn the conclusion they did. Im trying to understand there decision, even if I'd have made a different one. | |||
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"Do we think it’s over now? Will they continue arguing over things they have no control over?" Nah after what Hamas did I hope the IDF pushes on with their objectives. | |||
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"Do we think it’s over now? Will they continue arguing over things they have no control over? Nah after what Hamas did I hope the IDF pushes on with their objectives." Do you go fishing a lot? | |||
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"Do we think it’s over now? Will they continue arguing over things they have no control over? Nah after what Hamas did I hope the IDF pushes on with their objectives. Do you go fishing a lot?" Sometimes with the husband both here and in the gulf of Mexico at our other house. Freshwater and salt. You? | |||
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"Do we think it’s over now? Will they continue arguing over things they have no control over? Nah after what Hamas did I hope the IDF pushes on with their objectives. Do you go fishing a lot? Sometimes with the husband both here and in the gulf of Mexico at our other house. Freshwater and salt. You? " Is it just jokes and aircraft that go miles over your head or is there other stuff up there too? | |||
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"Havering Council will not light Hanukkah candles over fears of ‘inflaming’ tensions. I wonder what the social justice warrior Mr.Sadiq Khan has to say about this." U-turn from Havering. https://www.lbc.co.uk/news/havering-council-u-turns-hanukkah-menorah-installation/ | |||
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"Netanyahu stated just now'when truce ends Israel will go back to fighting. One month before Christmas and Israel is not at peace. I cannot believe 2023 peace is not adhered to. I thought the peace treaty 1949 was to end all wars? " I think the bottom line is human nature... we are the savage apes. "Beware the humans, for they are death" | |||
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"Havering Council will not light Hanukkah candles over fears of ‘inflaming’ tensions. I wonder what the social justice warrior Mr.Sadiq Khan has to say about this. U-turn from Havering. https://www.lbc.co.uk/news/havering-council-u-turns-hanukkah-menorah-installation/" Great news! At last, some sense prevails | |||
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"How many countless deaths were caused by GB again and other past attrocities and colonisation? We are no where near those statistics. " You're parroting a false misconception of Britain and colonialism. It was mainly the wealthy ruling socialite families, and establishment that benefitted from Britain's past. The vast majority of citizens lived in total poverty. Try Googling 'Victorian working class' and you'll see what we mean. America only goes to war to reinforce its foreign policy and overseas interests. Not just because other countries 'fucked around'. At the moment those are technology production, maintaining garrisons abroad, oil (surprise surprise), and trade routes (one of the oldest reasons for war). | |||
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"Lets hope Israel get the full support from Foreign Governments to Destroy Hamas and the other Terrorists in the Area. Terrorists are the worst evil in the world." Indeed, but those who peddle 'terror' come in many guises, no? | |||
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" Terrorists are the worst evil in the world. Which ones?" There is no difference between any of them. They are all Cowards and hide behind their so called supporters to protect themselves and when not protecting themselves beating and murdering their own and others to force their own believe on them | |||
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" Terrorists are the worst evil in the world. Which ones? There is no difference between any of them. They are all Cowards and hide behind their so called supporters to protect themselves and when not protecting themselves beating and murdering their own and others to force their own believe on them" Agree with you there. Some are government sponsored, some aren't. | |||
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"Lets hope Israel get the full support from Foreign Governments to Destroy Hamas and the other Terrorists in the Area. Terrorists are the worst evil in the world. Indeed, but those who peddle 'terror' come in many guises, no?" True and hence why all Countries should be out destroying all of them. None left to continue. But agree we need to set up an elimination process of all of them contiguously | |||
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"Agree with you there. Some are government sponsored, some aren't." True and Syria created Hasbalah, if that is spelt correctly, who also created Hamas. Just like the Americans supported Bin Laden but turned against them. Best to just get rid of them all | |||
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"Agree with you there. Some are government sponsored, some aren't. True and Syria created Hasbalah, if that is spelt correctly, who also created Hamas. Just like the Americans supported Bin Laden but turned against them. Best to just get rid of them all" And the IDF. | |||
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"Again simply eliminate them all" I would propose people 'eliminating' eachother just breed more hate, more terror and the cycle continues. A potential better solution would be to remove the causes that people get radicalised and the causes that push people to commit horrific acts. Kinda like they did in NI. | |||
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"IDF are doing a good job getting rid of Hamas and the other Terrorists so let's give them the support to do so" They're mostly mass killing civilians, women and children. Why do you support these, and not others who do the same thing? | |||
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"Lets hope Israel get the full support from Foreign Governments to Destroy Hamas and the other Terrorists in the Area. Terrorists are the worst evil in the world. Indeed, but those who peddle 'terror' come in many guises, no? True and hence why all Countries should be out destroying all of them. None left to continue. But agree we need to set up an elimination process of all of them contiguously " do you honestly think bombing the palastinians for the last six months is gona get rid of hamas? Id say if anything its probably recruited a new generation of fighters, i meen im pretty sure wen i was a kid if id seen people flattening my country and killing my family and friends all that would be on my mind would be revenge | |||
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"They're mostly mass killing civilians, women and children. Why do you support these, and not others who do the same thing?" This is the problem with allowing Terrorism. War is terrible and terrible things happen. Sadly Terrorists don't give a damn about right and wrong. There is always going to be innocent people hurt when it comes to Terrorism. The only way is to eliminate the source of evil | |||
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"They're mostly mass killing civilians, women and children. Why do you support these, and not others who do the same thing? This is the problem with allowing Terrorism. War is terrible and terrible things happen. Sadly Terrorists don't give a damn about right and wrong. There is always going to be innocent people hurt when it comes to Terrorism. The only way is to eliminate the source of evil" So: Mass killing civilians using the word "war" = no worries
Mass killing civilians using the word "terrorism" = evil?
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"Lets hope Israel get the full support from Foreign Governments to Destroy Hamas and the other Terrorists in the Area. Terrorists are the worst evil in the world. Indeed, but those who peddle 'terror' come in many guises, no? True and hence why all Countries should be out destroying all of them. None left to continue. But agree we need to set up an elimination process of all of them contiguously do you honestly think bombing the palastinians for the last six months is gona get rid of hamas? Id say if anything its probably recruited a new generation of fighters, i meen im pretty sure wen i was a kid if id seen people flattening my country and killing my family and friends all that would be on my mind would be revenge" Absolutely. The next generation of suicide bombers has already been borne. | |||
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"Killing of any kind is wrong. The problem is when people think the IDF are wrong in what they are doing. Terrorists inflict barbaric acts against their own people all the time and sadly the only way to get rid of the scum is going to cause injuries and death of innocent people at the same time. Get rid of the scum and AlL better off" This is confusing. What makes one set of people "scum" and "evil", and yet not the other set of people? | |||
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"This is confusing. What makes one set of people "scum" and "evil", and yet not the other set of people?" Simple. Anyone or any group that pretend to be on your side in one hand and with the other cut your head off | |||
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"This is confusing. What makes one set of people "scum" and "evil", and yet not the other set of people? Simple. Anyone or any group that pretend to be on your side in one hand and with the other cut your head off" So it's the specific method of execution that's the difference? | |||
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"This is confusing. What makes one set of people "scum" and "evil", and yet not the other set of people? Simple. Anyone or any group that pretend to be on your side in one hand and with the other cut your head off So it's the specific method of execution that's the difference?" Do you have tolerance for all execution styles? | |||
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"This is confusing. What makes one set of people "scum" and "evil", and yet not the other set of people? Simple. Anyone or any group that pretend to be on your side in one hand and with the other cut your head off So it's the specific method of execution that's the difference? Do you have tolerance for all execution styles? " Okay, new tactic. I'll try to answer your tangentical questions, and maybe you can explain afterwards what point you're trying to make? I am against all forms of execution, especially in the context with which we're currently discussing. | |||
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"It’s not about how but more about removing the evil of Terrorism. The killing of any human or animal is a terrible thing. Let’s not turn the discussion into what is a more favourable way to kill anything. Stick to the subject at hand, how to realistically remove Terrorism. The definition of Terrorism is the use of violent action in order to achieve political aims or to force a government to act. In reality, this extends to their pursuit to gain support from the local civilian population through the same violent actions. Their pursuit is often nothing to do with Political gain but more to do with organised crime, Religion and most of all their perceived power in society. Violence is only one part of their tactics, they also use various methods of so called brain washing to bring others into their cause. Most of the so called fighters, are those who have been drawn into the fight through these brain washing techniques. This gives rise to the fact that most of the fighters are innocent civilians and this alone gives question about how to eliminate the violence. But for every day a Government attempts to change the mindset of violent actions, other civilians are murdered or worse. So, at what point does a Government draw the line and use force to prevent further violence by those groups? I would suggest what happened in October last year was the line. Probably could have drawn the line a lot sooner but that is a discussion for another time. The other major problem in world society is the ignorance of people on the subject of Terrorism. For the vast majority of us living in the UK, we believe everyone is the same i.e. we all feel remorse and only do what we believe and is right. This is great in our country but sadly very different in other countries where Terrorism is a part of life. What happens to civilian men, women and children is beyond comprehension to us who are protected by our own Government and the Law. Personally, I believe this is how it should be for everyone regardless of where we are in the world. There is only one way to make that happen and that is to rid the world of Terrorism. Terrorism has no meaning of thought or right and wrong. If allowed to continue the mindset of the top ranks of these organisations will get worse and sadly the general innocent population will suffer intolerable consequences. " This is all very interesting, but I'm trying to find out why you oppose some "violent action in order to achieve political aims or to force a government to act", and support some. | |||
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"I don't support any violent, abusive or humiliation of any form. But I also believe you have to Stop such violence and if that is achieved through discussion or democratic means, then that is great. " Just trying to get to the bottom of this. Am I correct to deduce that you oppose the mass killings undertaken by Hama, but support the mass killings undertaken by the IDF? " Sadly that is not an option when faced with Terrorism. I'm pretty sure that has been proven beyond any doubt. " Worked in Northern Ireland. " So the question is simple, How do you Stop Terrorism?" | |||
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"We seem to be going around in circles here lol. There is no support for Mass Killing of any form from anyone anywhere. There is obvious death and destruction from what ever action is taken from either side. Lets try and stay on the subject of what is the best solution to prevent either. As I've already stated many times, I support only the right of a civilian population to live peacefully among each other. Preferably in a democratically Governed way but when this is not achievable, then what and how do you achieve this?" Once Hamas are destroyed. Will Palestine lands be returned in full to the two million people currently displaced And illegal West Bank settlements removed Palestine borders controlled by Palestinians And who’s rebuilding their country. Many estimates north of $40bn Will there be repatriations paid | |||
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"We seem to be going around in circles here lol. There is no support for Mass Killing of any form from anyone anywhere. There is obvious death and destruction from what ever action is taken from either side. Lets try and stay on the subject of what is the best solution to prevent either. As I've already stated many times, I support only the right of a civilian population to live peacefully among each other. Preferably in a democratically Governed way but when this is not achievable, then what and how do you achieve this?" Well I agree on all this. | |||
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"We seem to be going around in circles here lol. There is no support for Mass Killing of any form from anyone anywhere. There is obvious death and destruction from what ever action is taken from either side. Lets try and stay on the subject of what is the best solution to prevent either. As I've already stated many times, I support only the right of a civilian population to live peacefully among each other. Preferably in a democratically Governed way but when this is not achievable, then what and how do you achieve this? Once Hamas are destroyed. Will Palestine lands be returned in full to the two million people currently displaced And illegal West Bank settlements removed Palestine borders controlled by Palestinians And who’s rebuilding their country. Many estimates north of $40bn Will there be repatriations paid " An excellent set of questions. Has Israel ever stated what their ultimate objective is? What victory for them looks like? ie what is the end game? If they have stated it then I missed it so at the moment it just looks like revenge. Now I fully understand the need for revenge but this has been increasingly looking disproportional for some time now! | |||
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"Well I agree on all this."
The issue is the question of what to do lol.
I propose a question to solve. This comes from an AI course at Uni. One of the first things they give you is a scenario to solve. This might be relevant to the Question of what to do with the issue in Israel lol.
You are a Train Driver going at speed along a route and you are about to come to a Track Switch, you can either go Left Track or Right Track there is no middle track for going straight between them. For the purpose of this hypothetical problem, You have no control of slowing down, stopping or even have any ability to sound a horn or flash lights etc. The Only control you have is a 2 direction switch, one side to go to the left track and the other side to the right track. Nothing else lol.
Now the problem, you see ahead and there are workmen working on both side tracks with their backs to you using noisy jack hammers and no look out to see you coming. On the left track there are 20 men working and on the right track there are 5 men working.
You have no control other than the left or right switch. What do you do?
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"An excellent set of questions. Has Israel ever stated what their ultimate objective is? What victory for them looks like? ie what is the end game? If they have stated it then I missed it so at the moment it just looks like revenge. Now I fully understand the need for revenge but this has been increasingly looking disproportional for some time now!" They have stated pretty much every time they are questioned on this subject. Their No. 1 Objective is to get those hostages back, No. 2 is to completely destroy Hamas and prevent them from ever doing another October atrocity. The reason things are going on for a long time and inevitably will continue for a long time, is that Hamas is a Terrorist organisation and therefore causing a huge problem with their hiding behind civilians to protect themselves. Revenge might be in the minds of some but if that is the main focus of Israel, then this would have taken place a long time ago. | |||
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"Well I agree on all this.
The issue is the question of what to do lol.
I propose a question to solve. This comes from an AI course at Uni. One of the first things they give you is a scenario to solve. This might be relevant to the Question of what to do with the issue in Israel lol.
You are a Train Driver going at speed along a route and you are about to come to a Track Switch, you can either go Left Track or Right Track there is no middle track for going straight between them. For the purpose of this hypothetical problem, You have no control of slowing down, stopping or even have any ability to sound a horn or flash lights etc. The Only control you have is a 2 direction switch, one side to go to the left track and the other side to the right track. Nothing else lol.
Now the problem, you see ahead and there are workmen working on both side tracks with their backs to you using noisy jack hammers and no look out to see you coming. On the left track there are 20 men working and on the right track there are 5 men working.
You have no control other than the left or right switch. What do you do?
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"An excellent set of questions. Has Israel ever stated what their ultimate objective is? What victory for them looks like? ie what is the end game? If they have stated it then I missed it so at the moment it just looks like revenge. Now I fully understand the need for revenge but this has been increasingly looking disproportional for some time now! They have stated pretty much every time they are questioned on this subject. Their No. 1 Objective is to get those hostages back, " Do people genuinely believe this? " No. 2 is to completely destroy Hamas and prevent them from ever doing another October atrocity. " This is utter nonsense, what they are doing is ensuring that there will be a lot more angry people with nothing left to lose, who are much more likely to be radicalised. And the Israeli government 100% knows this. " The reason things are going on for a long time and inevitably will continue for a long time, is that Hamas is a Terrorist organisation and therefore causing a huge problem with their hiding behind civilians to protect themselves. Revenge might be in the minds of some but if that is the main focus of Israel, then this would have taken place a long time ago." Erm. This has been going on for decades. | |||
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"I did propose a solution to avoid more mass killings above. I'd definitely suggest that mass slaughtering civilians isn't a part of the solution. And not sure what the trolly thought experiment has to do with this?" Every proposal is worthy of mentioning. But I suppose the reality of putting any of them into action is not so simple. I've grown up around Terrorism so my proposal is only mine from my own experiences. But I do listen and have no issues with accepting any proposals. Just a discussion and not to create ill will. As for that thought experiment, firstly trying to lighten the mood here but also the relevance to what is happening in Israel. The correct answer to the experiment is,,, Do Nothing. If you, for instance, decide to switch to the right track as less people are killed, then by doing so you are now responsible for the 5 deaths on that side. So doing nothing removes the responsibility from you. In reality lol, doing nothing is worse so I would think most would take the lesser of the 2 evils. The relevance is, if Israel do nothing some will continue be killed. Every Government and Law enforcement authority have to do what ever it takes to keep us all safe. Sadly with hindsight many times things could have been done better. But doing nothing is not an option and sadly what ever they do will never keep everyone happy | |||
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"True but who are we to determine right from wrong if we have no idea of the reality over there. It's easy to say its all rubbish but how do we know? I have an Israeli friend and have asked him many times of what is going on there. He tells me he is an Arab full stop lol and his thoughts are he doesn't like the Jews. But not because of their religion more to do with their work ethics etc. When all this kicked off I asked him if his family over there are all ok. He said yes, thankfully, but he also stated how terrible the October thing was and cant understand how religion causes such terrible things." It's extremely easy to determine right from wrong. Mass slaughtering civilians is wrong. Moving the border of your country, kicking people out of their homes is wrong. Firing rockets at towns is wrong. Droning towns is wrong. Cutting off food and water is wrong. | |||
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"True but who are we to determine right from wrong if we have no idea of the reality over there. It's easy to say its all rubbish but how do we know? I have an Israeli friend and have asked him many times of what is going on there. He tells me he is an Arab full stop lol and his thoughts are he doesn't like the Jews. But not because of their religion more to do with their work ethics etc. When all this kicked off I asked him if his family over there are all ok. He said yes, thankfully, but he also stated how terrible the October thing was and cant understand how religion causes such terrible things. It's extremely easy to determine right from wrong. Mass slaughtering civilians is wrong. Moving the border of your country, kicking people out of their homes is wrong. Firing rockets at towns is wrong. Droning towns is wrong. Cutting off food and water is wrong." By your arguments, what the allies did in World war is wrong. They should have just been peaceful when the axis powers attacked them. If only the world was as simple as you think. | |||
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"So many wrongs lol So again, what is the solution? Easy to point out all the wrongs but in the reality of Terrorism, what do you do? Remember, if you truly understand the mindset of Terrorists, what do you do?" They won't give you alternate solutions. They just sit in their home and pass some lame comments on how this is "just wrong" and that is "just wrong", acting like they are the upholders of some universal morality they invented. Reality of terrorism is much more complex than they think. | |||
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"They won't give you alternate solutions. They just sit in their home and pass some lame comments on how this is "just wrong" and that is "just wrong", acting like they are the upholders of some universal morality they invented. Reality of terrorism is much more complex than they think." Totally agree, but it's a discussion so I suppose reality of life is difficult to understand for some. I've always said everyone should be made to do national call up lol. Probably not but if they did they would see the reality of life is extremely different to living a life of safety given to them by the Government and Law authorities. | |||
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"True but who are we to determine right from wrong if we have no idea of the reality over there. It's easy to say its all rubbish but how do we know? I have an Israeli friend and have asked him many times of what is going on there. He tells me he is an Arab full stop lol and his thoughts are he doesn't like the Jews. But not because of their religion more to do with their work ethics etc. When all this kicked off I asked him if his family over there are all ok. He said yes, thankfully, but he also stated how terrible the October thing was and cant understand how religion causes such terrible things. It's extremely easy to determine right from wrong. Mass slaughtering civilians is wrong. Moving the border of your country, kicking people out of their homes is wrong. Firing rockets at towns is wrong. Droning towns is wrong. Cutting off food and water is wrong. By your arguments, what the allies did in World war is wrong. " Some of the things they did were wrong yes. " They should have just been peaceful when the axis powers attacked them. If only the world was as simple as you think." Only if you take an extremely overly simplistic view. | |||
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"So many wrongs lol So again, what is the solution? Easy to point out all the wrongs but in the reality of Terrorism, what do you do? Remember, if you truly understand the mindset of Terrorists, what do you do?" I've suggested several. Did you miss? I can pop them back in. | |||
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"True but who are we to determine right from wrong if we have no idea of the reality over there. It's easy to say its all rubbish but how do we know? I have an Israeli friend and have asked him many times of what is going on there. He tells me he is an Arab full stop lol and his thoughts are he doesn't like the Jews. But not because of their religion more to do with their work ethics etc. When all this kicked off I asked him if his family over there are all ok. He said yes, thankfully, but he also stated how terrible the October thing was and cant understand how religion causes such terrible things. It's extremely easy to determine right from wrong. Mass slaughtering civilians is wrong. Moving the border of your country, kicking people out of their homes is wrong. Firing rockets at towns is wrong. Droning towns is wrong. Cutting off food and water is wrong. By your arguments, what the allies did in World war is wrong. Some of the things they did were wrong yes. They should have just been peaceful when the axis powers attacked them. If only the world was as simple as you think. Only if you take an extremely overly simplistic view. " You are the one who is taking simplistic views here. It's easy to say killing is wrong. But it is justified and even necessary for self defense. You said that firing rockets at town is wrong. Would you also say it's wrong when Britain attacked towns in Germany in the world war? | |||
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"They won't give you alternate solutions. They just sit in their home and pass some lame comments on how this is "just wrong" and that is "just wrong", acting like they are the upholders of some universal morality they invented. Reality of terrorism is much more complex than they think. Totally agree, but it's a discussion so I suppose reality of life is difficult to understand for some. I've always said everyone should be made to do national call up lol. Probably not but if they did they would see the reality of life is extremely different to living a life of safety given to them by the Government and Law authorities." I tried. I really tried having a discussion with them 
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"True but who are we to determine right from wrong if we have no idea of the reality over there. It's easy to say its all rubbish but how do we know? I have an Israeli friend and have asked him many times of what is going on there. He tells me he is an Arab full stop lol and his thoughts are he doesn't like the Jews. But not because of their religion more to do with their work ethics etc. When all this kicked off I asked him if his family over there are all ok. He said yes, thankfully, but he also stated how terrible the October thing was and cant understand how religion causes such terrible things. It's extremely easy to determine right from wrong. Mass slaughtering civilians is wrong. Moving the border of your country, kicking people out of their homes is wrong. Firing rockets at towns is wrong. Droning towns is wrong. Cutting off food and water is wrong. By your arguments, what the allies did in World war is wrong. Some of the things they did were wrong yes. They should have just been peaceful when the axis powers attacked them. If only the world was as simple as you think. Only if you take an extremely overly simplistic view. You are the one who is taking simplistic views here. " No, you were implying that either all of the allied actions were right or wrong. That's overly simplistic. " It's easy to say killing is wrong. But it is justified and even necessary for self defense. " We were talking about civilians. And no, it's not necessary to mass slaughter civilians for self defense. " You said that firing rockets at town is wrong. Would you also say it's wrong when Britain attacked towns in Germany in the world war?" Yes, during WW2 the deliberate targeting of civilians in towns was wrong. By both sides of the conflict. Not sure why it's a struggle to understand that some people think it's wrong to bomb civilians. To me it seems like a no-brainer. | |||
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"They won't give you alternate solutions. They just sit in their home and pass some lame comments on how this is "just wrong" and that is "just wrong", acting like they are the upholders of some universal morality they invented. Reality of terrorism is much more complex than they think. Totally agree, but it's a discussion so I suppose reality of life is difficult to understand for some. I've always said everyone should be made to do national call up lol. Probably not but if they did they would see the reality of life is extremely different to living a life of safety given to them by the Government and Law authorities. I tried. I really tried having a discussion with them
It just doesn't work. They will not engage with the points you make. "Just to be 100% clear. Your post is only complaining about me, that's the only thing you're mentioning, and your complaint is that I don't engage in the points? Despite all the rest of my posts are directly addressing the points. | |||
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"True but who are we to determine right from wrong if we have no idea of the reality over there. It's easy to say its all rubbish but how do we know? I have an Israeli friend and have asked him many times of what is going on there. He tells me he is an Arab full stop lol and his thoughts are he doesn't like the Jews. But not because of their religion more to do with their work ethics etc. When all this kicked off I asked him if his family over there are all ok. He said yes, thankfully, but he also stated how terrible the October thing was and cant understand how religion causes such terrible things. It's extremely easy to determine right from wrong. Mass slaughtering civilians is wrong. Moving the border of your country, kicking people out of their homes is wrong. Firing rockets at towns is wrong. Droning towns is wrong. Cutting off food and water is wrong. By your arguments, what the allies did in World war is wrong. Some of the things they did were wrong yes. They should have just been peaceful when the axis powers attacked them. If only the world was as simple as you think. Only if you take an extremely overly simplistic view. You are the one who is taking simplistic views here. No, you were implying that either all of the allied actions were right or wrong. That's overly simplistic. It's easy to say killing is wrong. But it is justified and even necessary for self defense. We were talking about civilians. And no, it's not necessary to mass slaughter civilians for self defense. You said that firing rockets at town is wrong. Would you also say it's wrong when Britain attacked towns in Germany in the world war? Yes, during WW2 the deliberate targeting of civilians in towns was wrong. By both sides of the conflict. Not sure why it's a struggle to understand that some people think it's wrong to bomb civilians. To me it seems like a no-brainer." It's not a "no-brainer" as you think. If Germany has air bases hidden in their cities, how exactly are their opponents supposed to hit them without affecting the civilian population? | |||
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"True but who are we to determine right from wrong if we have no idea of the reality over there. It's easy to say its all rubbish but how do we know? I have an Israeli friend and have asked him many times of what is going on there. He tells me he is an Arab full stop lol and his thoughts are he doesn't like the Jews. But not because of their religion more to do with their work ethics etc. When all this kicked off I asked him if his family over there are all ok. He said yes, thankfully, but he also stated how terrible the October thing was and cant understand how religion causes such terrible things. It's extremely easy to determine right from wrong. Mass slaughtering civilians is wrong. Moving the border of your country, kicking people out of their homes is wrong. Firing rockets at towns is wrong. Droning towns is wrong. Cutting off food and water is wrong. By your arguments, what the allies did in World war is wrong. Some of the things they did were wrong yes. They should have just been peaceful when the axis powers attacked them. If only the world was as simple as you think. Only if you take an extremely overly simplistic view. You are the one who is taking simplistic views here. No, you were implying that either all of the allied actions were right or wrong. That's overly simplistic. It's easy to say killing is wrong. But it is justified and even necessary for self defense. We were talking about civilians. And no, it's not necessary to mass slaughter civilians for self defense. You said that firing rockets at town is wrong. Would you also say it's wrong when Britain attacked towns in Germany in the world war? Yes, during WW2 the deliberate targeting of civilians in towns was wrong. By both sides of the conflict. Not sure why it's a struggle to understand that some people think it's wrong to bomb civilians. To me it seems like a no-brainer. It's not a "no-brainer" as you think. If Germany has air bases hidden in their cities, " They didn't. " how exactly are their opponents supposed to hit them without affecting the civilian population? " No need to worry, because they didn't. The civilians were targeted by both the RAF and the Luftwaffe. I find it bizarre that people would think one airforce is bad for doing it, while the other is either good or has no choice. | |||
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" It's not a "no-brainer" as you think. If Germany has air bases hidden in their cities, They didn't. " Lol. Are you really saying that Germany didn't have any of their military infrastructure in their cities? Check Hamburg bombing. " how exactly are their opponents supposed to hit them without affecting the civilian population? No need to worry, because they didn't. The civilians were targeted by both the RAF and the Luftwaffe. I find it bizarre that people would think one airforce is bad for doing it, while the other is either good or has no choice." Which brings up another point. If one country is repeatedly targeting your civilians and is hell-bent in destroying you, should you hit back at their civilians or should you wait for strategically attack only their army, a decision which may result in innocent lives being lost in your country? | |||
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" It's not a "no-brainer" as you think. If Germany has air bases hidden in their cities, They didn't. Lol. Are you really saying that Germany didn't have any of their military infrastructure in their cities? Check Hamburg bombing. " No, but that wasn't your question. " how exactly are their opponents supposed to hit them without affecting the civilian population? No need to worry, because they didn't. The civilians were targeted by both the RAF and the Luftwaffe. I find it bizarre that people would think one airforce is bad for doing it, while the other is either good or has no choice. Which brings up another point. If one country is repeatedly targeting your civilians and is hell-bent in destroying you, should you hit back at their civilians or should you wait for strategically attack only their army, a decision which may result in innocent lives being lost in your country?" Ah I see. Your differential is that lives in the other country is worth less. That's the problem with current conflict, there are people in Israel, and people in Palestine who think the same way as you. I'm genuinely not sure why your mind is blown that some people oppose the mass killing of civilians regardless of their nationality. | |||
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" Ah I see. Your differential is that lives in the other country is worth less. " Where did I say that? " That's the problem with current conflict, there are people in Israel, and people in Palestine who think the same way as you. " Again. Where did I say their lives are worth less? " I'm genuinely not sure why your mind is blown that some people oppose the mass killing of civilians regardless of their nationality." I don't think anyone gives a damn about nationality here. Israel is operating for self defense. Hamas hasn't returned the hostages and they are hiding amongst Palestine civilians. | |||
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"LOL This thread needs to stop. There is no way anyone is going to gain anything with this current conversation. What seems to be logical to one person is illogical to the other and vice versa. "
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"I think anyone defending Israeli attacks on civilians should volunteer to do a weeks humanitarian labour in one of the concentration camps. " Anyone who says Israel shouldn't go after Hamas should volunteer to support victims of terror attacks. | |||
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"I think anyone defending Israeli attacks on civilians should volunteer to do a weeks humanitarian labour in one of the concentration camps. Anyone who says Israel shouldn't go after Hamas should volunteer to support victims of terror attacks." No one has suggested that so we don't need anyone to do this. | |||
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"I think anyone defending Israeli attacks on civilians should volunteer to do a weeks humanitarian labour in one of the concentration camps. Anyone who says Israel shouldn't go after Hamas should volunteer to support victims of terror attacks. No one has suggested that so we don't need anyone to do this. "No one wants Israel to go after civilians either. So we don't need anyone to do that | |||
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"I think anyone defending Israeli attacks on civilians should volunteer to do a weeks humanitarian labour in one of the concentration camps. Anyone who says Israel shouldn't go after Hamas should volunteer to support victims of terror attacks. No one has suggested that so we don't need anyone to do this.
No one wants Israel to go after civilians either. So we don't need anyone to do that "That wasn't the point you replied to though. Just to remind you, it was... "I think anyone defending Israeli attacks on civilians should volunteer to do a weeks humanitarian labour in one of the concentration camps." | |||
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"Bwahahahahahahahahahahaha This forum gets funnier everytime I look at it LOL" Israeli war cabinet minister Benny Gantz has threatened to resign unless Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu sets out a post-war plan for the Gaza Strip and Ben Gvir demands Gallant be fired. This will be comedy gold. These clowns are fighting amongst them now. Wait till 8th June and it’ll be civil war | |||
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"I think anyone defending Israeli attacks on civilians should volunteer to do a weeks humanitarian labour in one of the concentration camps. Anyone who says Israel shouldn't go after Hamas should volunteer to support victims of terror attacks. No one has suggested that so we don't need anyone to do this.
No one wants Israel to go after civilians either. So we don't need anyone to do that
That wasn't the point you replied to though. Just to remind you, it was...
"I think anyone defending Israeli attacks on civilians should volunteer to do a weeks humanitarian labour in one of the concentration camps."
"Just to remind you, asking Israel to stop and not giving an alternative solution implies you want Israel to not going after Hamas. | |||
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"I think anyone defending Israeli attacks on civilians should volunteer to do a weeks humanitarian labour in one of the concentration camps. Anyone who says Israel shouldn't go after Hamas should volunteer to support victims of terror attacks. No one has suggested that so we don't need anyone to do this.
No one wants Israel to go after civilians either. So we don't need anyone to do that
That wasn't the point you replied to though. Just to remind you, it was...
"I think anyone defending Israeli attacks on civilians should volunteer to do a weeks humanitarian labour in one of the concentration camps."
Just to remind you, asking Israel to stop and not giving an alternative solution implies you want Israel to not going after Hamas."So no comment about changing the goalposts to try to "win" some kind of point? Have provided multiple suggestions, multiple times, as have multiple other forum posters. I'm comfortable that you can see no other options than to slaughter innocent civilians on an industrial scale. But not sure why you won't accept that some people don't think this is a good idea. | |||
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"I think anyone defending Israeli attacks on civilians should volunteer to do a weeks humanitarian labour in one of the concentration camps. Anyone who says Israel shouldn't go after Hamas should volunteer to support victims of terror attacks. No one has suggested that so we don't need anyone to do this.
No one wants Israel to go after civilians either. So we don't need anyone to do that
That wasn't the point you replied to though. Just to remind you, it was...
"I think anyone defending Israeli attacks on civilians should volunteer to do a weeks humanitarian labour in one of the concentration camps."
Just to remind you, asking Israel to stop and not giving an alternative solution implies you want Israel to not going after Hamas.
So no comment about changing the goalposts to try to "win" some kind of point?
Have provided multiple suggestions, multiple times, as have multiple other forum posters.
I'm comfortable that you can see no other options than to slaughter innocent civilians on an industrial scale. But not sure why you won't accept that some people don't think this is a good idea. "The solution of going and negotiating with Hamas?
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"I think anyone defending Israeli attacks on civilians should volunteer to do a weeks humanitarian labour in one of the concentration camps. Anyone who says Israel shouldn't go after Hamas should volunteer to support victims of terror attacks. No one has suggested that so we don't need anyone to do this.
No one wants Israel to go after civilians either. So we don't need anyone to do that
That wasn't the point you replied to though. Just to remind you, it was...
"I think anyone defending Israeli attacks on civilians should volunteer to do a weeks humanitarian labour in one of the concentration camps."
Just to remind you, asking Israel to stop and not giving an alternative solution implies you want Israel to not going after Hamas.
So no comment about changing the goalposts to try to "win" some kind of point?
Have provided multiple suggestions, multiple times, as have multiple other forum posters.
I'm comfortable that you can see no other options than to slaughter innocent civilians on an industrial scale. But not sure why you won't accept that some people don't think this is a good idea.
The solution of going and negotiating with Hamas?
It has been tried and Hamas broke the agreement. So the option you claim is not an option at all. Terrorists don't follow agreements."You're right, let's all cheer on the mass slaughter, and come on to forums on swingers sites and try to belittle anyone who doesn't support the mass extermination of innocent civilians. | |||
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"I think anyone defending Israeli attacks on civilians should volunteer to do a weeks humanitarian labour in one of the concentration camps. Anyone who says Israel shouldn't go after Hamas should volunteer to support victims of terror attacks. No one has suggested that so we don't need anyone to do this.
No one wants Israel to go after civilians either. So we don't need anyone to do that
That wasn't the point you replied to though. Just to remind you, it was...
"I think anyone defending Israeli attacks on civilians should volunteer to do a weeks humanitarian labour in one of the concentration camps."
Just to remind you, asking Israel to stop and not giving an alternative solution implies you want Israel to not going after Hamas.
So no comment about changing the goalposts to try to "win" some kind of point?
Have provided multiple suggestions, multiple times, as have multiple other forum posters.
I'm comfortable that you can see no other options than to slaughter innocent civilians on an industrial scale. But not sure why you won't accept that some people don't think this is a good idea.
The solution of going and negotiating with Hamas?
It has been tried and Hamas broke the agreement. So the option you claim is not an option at all. Terrorists don't follow agreements.
You're right, let's all cheer on the mass slaughter, and come on to forums on swingers sites and try to belittle anyone who doesn't support the mass extermination of innocent civilians. "I don't think anyone here cheers mass slaughter of civilians. Who here is cheering mass slaughter of civilians according to you? | |||
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"I think anyone defending Israeli attacks on civilians should volunteer to do a weeks humanitarian labour in one of the concentration camps. Anyone who says Israel shouldn't go after Hamas should volunteer to support victims of terror attacks. No one has suggested that so we don't need anyone to do this.
No one wants Israel to go after civilians either. So we don't need anyone to do that
That wasn't the point you replied to though. Just to remind you, it was...
"I think anyone defending Israeli attacks on civilians should volunteer to do a weeks humanitarian labour in one of the concentration camps."
Just to remind you, asking Israel to stop and not giving an alternative solution implies you want Israel to not going after Hamas.
So no comment about changing the goalposts to try to "win" some kind of point?
Have provided multiple suggestions, multiple times, as have multiple other forum posters.
I'm comfortable that you can see no other options than to slaughter innocent civilians on an industrial scale. But not sure why you won't accept that some people don't think this is a good idea.
The solution of going and negotiating with Hamas?
It has been tried and Hamas broke the agreement. So the option you claim is not an option at all. Terrorists don't follow agreements.
You're right, let's all cheer on the mass slaughter, and come on to forums on swingers sites and try to belittle anyone who doesn't support the mass extermination of innocent civilians.
I don't think anyone here cheers mass slaughter of civilians. Who here is cheering mass slaughter of civilians according to you? "I was just sarcastically agreeing with you. Anyway, I think we're at an impasse. You can't see any options except more mass slaughter. I'm against the mass slaughter, and would prefer other options to be explored. Let's just leave it? | |||
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"I think anyone defending Israeli attacks on civilians should volunteer to do a weeks humanitarian labour in one of the concentration camps. Anyone who says Israel shouldn't go after Hamas should volunteer to support victims of terror attacks. No one has suggested that so we don't need anyone to do this.
No one wants Israel to go after civilians either. So we don't need anyone to do that
That wasn't the point you replied to though. Just to remind you, it was...
"I think anyone defending Israeli attacks on civilians should volunteer to do a weeks humanitarian labour in one of the concentration camps."
Just to remind you, asking Israel to stop and not giving an alternative solution implies you want Israel to not going after Hamas.
So no comment about changing the goalposts to try to "win" some kind of point?
Have provided multiple suggestions, multiple times, as have multiple other forum posters.
I'm comfortable that you can see no other options than to slaughter innocent civilians on an industrial scale. But not sure why you won't accept that some people don't think this is a good idea.
The solution of going and negotiating with Hamas?
It has been tried and Hamas broke the agreement. So the option you claim is not an option at all. Terrorists don't follow agreements.
You're right, let's all cheer on the mass slaughter, and come on to forums on swingers sites and try to belittle anyone who doesn't support the mass extermination of innocent civilians.
I don't think anyone here cheers mass slaughter of civilians. Who here is cheering mass slaughter of civilians according to you?
I was just sarcastically agreeing with you.
Anyway, I think we're at an impasse. You can't see any options except more mass slaughter.
I'm against the mass slaughter, and would prefer other options to be explored.
Let's just leave it?"Yes we reached an impasse. I believe Israel should try to get back their hostages, destroy Hamas terrorists and protect themselves. You are against that idea. Let's just leave it. | |||
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Not good. But I think the main issue for those protestors is the fact that the IDF have not been able to get the hostages back. It's sad that they can't get them back safely but under the circumstances, how can they. Negotiating with Hamas is simply never going to work. | |||
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"I think anyone defending Israeli attacks on civilians should volunteer to do a weeks humanitarian labour in one of the concentration camps. Anyone who says Israel shouldn't go after Hamas should volunteer to support victims of terror attacks. No one has suggested that so we don't need anyone to do this.
No one wants Israel to go after civilians either. So we don't need anyone to do that
That wasn't the point you replied to though. Just to remind you, it was...
"I think anyone defending Israeli attacks on civilians should volunteer to do a weeks humanitarian labour in one of the concentration camps."
Just to remind you, asking Israel to stop and not giving an alternative solution implies you want Israel to not going after Hamas.
So no comment about changing the goalposts to try to "win" some kind of point?
Have provided multiple suggestions, multiple times, as have multiple other forum posters.
I'm comfortable that you can see no other options than to slaughter innocent civilians on an industrial scale. But not sure why you won't accept that some people don't think this is a good idea.
The solution of going and negotiating with Hamas?
It has been tried and Hamas broke the agreement. So the option you claim is not an option at all. Terrorists don't follow agreements.
You're right, let's all cheer on the mass slaughter, and come on to forums on swingers sites and try to belittle anyone who doesn't support the mass extermination of innocent civilians.
I don't think anyone here cheers mass slaughter of civilians. Who here is cheering mass slaughter of civilians according to you?
I was just sarcastically agreeing with you.
Anyway, I think we're at an impasse. You can't see any options except more mass slaughter.
I'm against the mass slaughter, and would prefer other options to be explored.
Let's just leave it?
Yes we reached an impasse. I believe Israel should try to get back their hostages, destroy Hamas terrorists and protect themselves. You are against that idea. Let's just leave it."The hostages are likely all dead, four more bodies discovered in recent days. In other news, guardian reporting rescuer's recovered bodies of 150 Palestinians killed by Israeli army in recent days | |||
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"I think anyone defending Israeli attacks on civilians should volunteer to do a weeks humanitarian labour in one of the concentration camps. Anyone who says Israel shouldn't go after Hamas should volunteer to support victims of terror attacks. No one has suggested that so we don't need anyone to do this.
No one wants Israel to go after civilians either. So we don't need anyone to do that
That wasn't the point you replied to though. Just to remind you, it was...
"I think anyone defending Israeli attacks on civilians should volunteer to do a weeks humanitarian labour in one of the concentration camps."
Just to remind you, asking Israel to stop and not giving an alternative solution implies you want Israel to not going after Hamas.
So no comment about changing the goalposts to try to "win" some kind of point?
Have provided multiple suggestions, multiple times, as have multiple other forum posters.
I'm comfortable that you can see no other options than to slaughter innocent civilians on an industrial scale. But not sure why you won't accept that some people don't think this is a good idea.
The solution of going and negotiating with Hamas?
It has been tried and Hamas broke the agreement. So the option you claim is not an option at all. Terrorists don't follow agreements.
You're right, let's all cheer on the mass slaughter, and come on to forums on swingers sites and try to belittle anyone who doesn't support the mass extermination of innocent civilians.
I don't think anyone here cheers mass slaughter of civilians. Who here is cheering mass slaughter of civilians according to you?
I was just sarcastically agreeing with you.
Anyway, I think we're at an impasse. You can't see any options except more mass slaughter.
I'm against the mass slaughter, and would prefer other options to be explored.
Let's just leave it?
Yes we reached an impasse. I believe Israel should try to get back their hostages, destroy Hamas terrorists and protect themselves. You are against that idea. Let's just leave it.
The hostages are likely all dead, four more bodies discovered in recent days.
In other news, guardian reporting rescuer's recovered bodies of 150 Palestinians killed by Israeli army in recent days"If hostages are dead, Hamas has to admit what they did and surrender. Israel has all rights to go after them. | |||
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"LOL I can't believe this guy is still making false inuendo's about people Supporting mass murder LOL. I'm sure he is one of those in the Closet types with a Fetish for Mass Murder LOL. NO ONE on this forum has ever said, suggested or agreed that Mass Murder is the right way to go. NO ONE. Please Wake Up and understand the written English Language. It’s difficult for some as it seems to be for this guy. He says he has given multiple options but when someone gives him a reason why those options won't work, he completely and utterly disagrees with it LOL even with his obvious complete inexperience of the subject. It’s almost like he truly doesn't want to hear any other person’s ideas. Only HIS will do. There is something wrong with him. For the Last Time LOL 1: Hamas is a very well established Terrorist Organisation. They have been declared that by multiple countries along with the other Terrorist organisation, also in Gaza. 2: It has been very well established by multiple Government Intelligence authorities, that any type of Negotiation with Any Terrorist organisation is futile. 3: It's also very well established that allowing a Terrorist organisation to continue will inevitably cause more and more mass murders all over the world by them and their sadistic mindset. 4: It's more than Obvious to anyone that allowing a Terrorist organisation to continue is NOT the correct thing to do. 5: It’s been well established and proven many times over, that War causes injury and death to more civilians than actual military personnel. A very sad conclusion but one that is not ever going to go away. PLEASE STOP YOUR ACCUSATIONS THAT PEOPLE ARE GOOD WITH MASS MURDER. Your accusations, apart from being incredibly incorrect, are extremely disturbing, distasteful and hurtful to anyone on this forum or any other forum or discussion. For your information, the definition of discussion is, the action or process of talking about something in order to reach a decision or to exchange ideas. This is a discussion not an inuendo board of nastiness. Discussions always have various opinions about the subject and often there are most that disagree with each other’s opinions, but when a person then starts accusing others in the discussion of Vile, disgusting things, they have instantly lost their argument and any respect from all. Same as any person pointing a gun at another person for financial gain or to cause fear, instantly loses their Civil Rights to life. Again, What is Israel meant to do to prevent Hamas continuing on their barbaric and murderous campaign? Everything you have suggested has been to stop their attack on Hamas. How in any person’s mind is that the correct thing to do. As for the sad fact of many many innocent civilians being killed, NO ONE wants that including Israel. But when dealing with a Terrorist organisation you have no options. Terrorists are Cowards, they hide behind Civilians in order to protect themselves. Those same civilians are often, no always, brutally tortured by the Terrorists into submitting to their ways. So now I’m going to suggest to you. Are YOU supporting the Mass Murder of Civilians by a Terrorist organisation? " *************************************** Very well presented analysis of a 'certain element' here which constantly and ultimately ruins any sensible discussion between other contributors. I think such elements really ought to be ignored, full stop. The whole situation in one particular case reminds me of that classic 1970's Monty Python sketch 'I've come for an argument' which descends into a comparable farce, just as on here....! Take good care folks X  | |||
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"Are these the new terms now being used to per-long the massacre, or to excuse negotiations or something else." Sadly any negotiations with Hamas, being a terrorist organisation, would be futile. There is no reason to believe Israel will stop their ongoing fight to rid the world of Hamas. Sadly this has to happen and even more sadly many innocent civilians will be caught up in the struggle. The only thing to look for now is the complete destruction of Hamas | |||
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Not good. But I think the main issue for those protestors is the fact that the IDF have not been able to get the hostages back. "What results you expected from IDF “Impotent diaper force”. These lunatics were busy last six months destroying hospitals, universities, schools and killing Aid workers, journalists, doctors, women and children. Hostages were never their priority. Failed army, more like a terrorist organisation | |||
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"*************************************** Very well presented analysis of a 'certain element' here which constantly and ultimately ruins any sensible discussion between other contributors. I think such elements really ought to be ignored, full stop. The whole situation in one particular case reminds me of that classic 1970's Monty Python sketch 'I've come for an argument' which descends into a comparable farce, just as on here....! Take good care folks X "
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"LOL I can't believe this guy is still making false inuendo's about people Supporting mass murder LOL. I'm sure he is one of those in the Closet types with a Fetish for Mass Murder LOL. NO ONE on this forum has ever said, suggested or agreed that Mass Murder is the right way to go. NO ONE. Please Wake Up and understand the written English Language. It’s difficult for some as it seems to be for this guy. He says he has given multiple options but when someone gives him a reason why those options won't work, he completely and utterly disagrees with it LOL even with his obvious complete inexperience of the subject. It’s almost like he truly doesn't want to hear any other person’s ideas. Only HIS will do. There is something wrong with him. For the Last Time LOL 1: Hamas is a very well established Terrorist Organisation. They have been declared that by multiple countries along with the other Terrorist organisation, also in Gaza. 2: It has been very well established by multiple Government Intelligence authorities, that any type of Negotiation with Any Terrorist organisation is futile. 3: It's also very well established that allowing a Terrorist organisation to continue will inevitably cause more and more mass murders all over the world by them and their sadistic mindset. 4: It's more than Obvious to anyone that allowing a Terrorist organisation to continue is NOT the correct thing to do. 5: It’s been well established and proven many times over, that War causes injury and death to more civilians than actual military personnel. A very sad conclusion but one that is not ever going to go away. PLEASE STOP YOUR ACCUSATIONS THAT PEOPLE ARE GOOD WITH MASS MURDER. Your accusations, apart from being incredibly incorrect, are extremely disturbing, distasteful and hurtful to anyone on this forum or any other forum or discussion. For your information, the definition of discussion is, the action or process of talking about something in order to reach a decision or to exchange ideas. This is a discussion not an inuendo board of nastiness. Discussions always have various opinions about the subject and often there are most that disagree with each other’s opinions, but when a person then starts accusing others in the discussion of Vile, disgusting things, they have instantly lost their argument and any respect from all. Same as any person pointing a gun at another person for financial gain or to cause fear, instantly loses their Civil Rights to life. Again, What is Israel meant to do to prevent Hamas continuing on their barbaric and murderous campaign? Everything you have suggested has been to stop their attack on Hamas. How in any person’s mind is that the correct thing to do. As for the sad fact of many many innocent civilians being killed, NO ONE wants that including Israel. But when dealing with a Terrorist organisation you have no options. Terrorists are Cowards, they hide behind Civilians in order to protect themselves. Those same civilians are often, no always, brutally tortured by the Terrorists into submitting to their ways. So now I’m going to suggest to you. Are YOU supporting the Mass Murder of Civilians by a Terrorist organisation? *************************************** Very well presented analysis of a 'certain element' here which constantly and ultimately ruins any sensible discussion between other contributors. I think such elements really ought to be ignored, full stop. The whole situation in one particular case reminds me of that classic 1970's Monty Python sketch 'I've come for an argument' which descends into a comparable farce, just as on here....! Take good care folks X "Are the IRA now in power in NI? The PLO signed an agreement on the whitehouse lawn with bill Clinton. Lots of others which can be found with a quick search on the internet. Those were considered terrorists, but negotiated for peace, so to say as a fact that western governments do not negotiate with a terror organisation is not fact at all. | |||
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