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By *ired_up OP Man
over a year ago
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Following on from Rishi saying he was going to bounce back from the supreme court decision to rule the Rwanda scheme illegal by singing a new deal....
Rwanda have told him do get stuffed and they won't have UK involved in their justice system thank you very much.
Call and election now as its the only chance they have of getting anywhere near a hundred seats!
Mugged off by Rwanda.  |
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"Following on from Rishi saying he was going to bounce back from the supreme court decision to rule the Rwanda scheme illegal by singing a new deal....
Rwanda have told him do get stuffed and they won't have UK involved in their justice system thank you very much.
Call and election now as its the only chance they have of getting anywhere near a hundred seats!
Mugged off by Rwanda. "
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By *ony 2016Man
over a year ago
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Rwanda were never going to say "no" , they may have been a bit annoyed that The UK government were incapable of arranging a deal that would be acceptable in The UK Courts . But all Rwanda have to do is sit back and collect the cash . |
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"They asked for more money and they got it.
There is an independent legal framework now after they told us to get lost.
They saw us and played the government again."
"Rwanda have told him do get stuffed and they won't have UK involved in their justice system thank you very much.
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Oops.
What extra oaykents do Rwanda get?
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By *ired_up OP Man
over a year ago
ashton |
"They asked for more money and they got it.
There is an independent legal framework now after they told us to get lost.
They saw us and played the government again.
"Rwanda have told him do get stuffed and they won't have UK involved in their justice system thank you very much.
"
Oops.
What extra oaykents do Rwanda get?
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So far, ministers have handed over £140m to the Rwandan government but have declined to disclose how much has been paid out in extra costs in Rwanda and the UK, particularly in a series of lengthy court cases.
Asked if there would be additional money for the new treaty, Cleverly said: “The financial arrangement which inevitably comes as part of an international agreement reflects the costs that may be imposed on Rwanda through the changes that this partnership has created in their systems: in their legal systems and their institutions.
So there is more money...they just don't want to say how much.
Also
The Sunday Times reported that the UK government would hand over another £15m on top of the £140m – a claim that was dismissed as “speculation” by the health secretary, Victoria Atkins.
Doesn't say it isn't true, therefore it is. Info leaked to the Times.
Also this:
But the new agreement creates a number of requirements and obligations to convince British judges that Rwanda will not mistreat asylum seekers, some of which will carry a cost.
These include free legal assistance for asylum seekers sent to Rwanda as well as an obligation to support people for the first five years after they receive a decision on their status.
That support is education, housing and finding them a job.
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By *ired_up OP Man
over a year ago
ashton |
Fresh from getting another 15 million off the government after their big announcement today.....Rwanda has now threatened to pull out of the deal if it does not conform to international law.
So the big deal they signed which they were grandstanding only hours ago has just blown up.
More money coming their way and no asylum seekers.
I swear to god they got the Nigeria scammers to help set up the deals.
They know the UK government can't back out as they are too invested so Rwanda just going to keep the fish on the line.
Mugged off by Rwanda....again..
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"They asked for more money and they got it.
There is an independent legal framework now after they told us to get lost.
They saw us and played the government again.
"Rwanda have told him do get stuffed and they won't have UK involved in their justice system thank you very much.
"
Oops.
What extra oaykents do Rwanda get?
So far, ministers have handed over £140m to the Rwandan government but have declined to disclose how much has been paid out in extra costs in Rwanda and the UK, particularly in a series of lengthy court cases.
Asked if there would be additional money for the new treaty, Cleverly said: “The financial arrangement which inevitably comes as part of an international agreement reflects the costs that may be imposed on Rwanda through the changes that this partnership has created in their systems: in their legal systems and their institutions.
So there is more money...they just don't want to say how much.
Also
The Sunday Times reported that the UK government would hand over another £15m on top of the £140m – a claim that was dismissed as “speculation” by the health secretary, Victoria Atkins.
Doesn't say it isn't true, therefore it is. Info leaked to the Times.
Also this:
But the new agreement creates a number of requirements and obligations to convince British judges that Rwanda will not mistreat asylum seekers, some of which will carry a cost.
These include free legal assistance for asylum seekers sent to Rwanda as well as an obligation to support people for the first five years after they receive a decision on their status.
That support is education, housing and finding them a job.
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It was a simple question..what extra payment is Rwanda receiving.
I await.
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"Fresh from getting another 15 million off the government after their big announcement today.....Rwanda has now threatened to pull out of the deal if it does not conform to international law.
So the big deal they signed which they were grandstanding only hours ago has just blown up.
More money coming their way and no asylum seekers.
I swear to god they got the Nigeria scammers to help set up the deals.
They know the UK government can't back out as they are too invested so Rwanda just going to keep the fish on the line.
Mugged off by Rwanda....again..
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This was a guess 4 days ago.
The agreement was signed today.
How much extra has tbe home officeconfirmed Rwanda is getting? |
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over a year ago
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I've not looked past the sub headline
"Chris Philp says a 'small number' of asylum seekers who are sent from the UK to Rwanda under the government's plan to tackle immigration and are then jailed for committing offences could be returned to the UK after serving their sentence."
Believe this is on top of the referral bit. |
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By *ired_up OP Man
over a year ago
ashton |
"Fresh from getting another 15 million off the government after their big announcement today.....Rwanda has now threatened to pull out of the deal if it does not conform to international law.
So the big deal they signed which they were grandstanding only hours ago has just blown up.
More money coming their way and no asylum seekers.
I swear to god they got the Nigeria scammers to help set up the deals.
They know the UK government can't back out as they are too invested so Rwanda just going to keep the fish on the line.
Mugged off by Rwanda....again..
This was a guess 4 days ago.
The agreement was signed today.
How much extra has tbe home officeconfirmed Rwanda is getting?"
I told you 15 million plus the amount needed to support them.
It's in an independent western media source which in the thread about Israel/Palestine you say you believe. |
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"Fresh from getting another 15 million off the government after their big announcement today.....Rwanda has now threatened to pull out of the deal if it does not conform to international law.
So the big deal they signed which they were grandstanding only hours ago has just blown up.
More money coming their way and no asylum seekers.
I swear to god they got the Nigeria scammers to help set up the deals.
They know the UK government can't back out as they are too invested so Rwanda just going to keep the fish on the line.
Mugged off by Rwanda....again..
This was a guess 4 days ago.
The agreement was signed today.
How much extra has tbe home officeconfirmed Rwanda is getting?
I told you 15 million plus the amount needed to support them.
It's in an independent western media source which in the thread about Israel/Palestine you say you believe. "
Have you got the home office agreement on that then? I am still waiting. |
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By *ired_up OP Man
over a year ago
ashton |
They won't say at the moment as they try to avoid scrutiny about decisions made about your money.
Is an independent western media source not good enough for you now or is it that you just ignore news that doesn't fit your opinion? |
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By *ired_up OP Man
over a year ago
ashton |
I would like to retract my previous comment.
I now realise it was wrong and I apologise.
The mail have just found out it's not another 15 million.
It's a hundred million. On top of the 140 we gave them last year.
And 50 million next year |
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"I would like to retract my previous comment.
I now realise it was wrong and I apologise.
The mail have just found out it's not another 15 million.
It's a hundred million. On top of the 140 we gave them last year.
And 50 million next year "
Guardian
“ It has emerged that the cost of the scheme had more than doubled to £290m. The Home Office admitted that, on top of the initial £140m payment, it had handed over a further £100m, and extra £50m is to follow.”
£290M/200 deportees
£1,450,000 a head.
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"Surely it would be cheaper to house them at Camber Sands and Prestatyn Pontins which have just closed down ?"
Add £8,000,0000 a day for hotels, living allowances, medical, home office staff costs processing claims, lawyers, appeals etc
And the whopping unreported cost of the Rwanda bill itself, legal costs, Supreme Court barristers etc |
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By *oo hotCouple
over a year ago
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Daily Telegraph reporting that another £100 million was agreed in April and there will be another £50 million next year.
Then there was Rishi’s speech yesterday which basically asserted that his bill was going to supersede fact and thereby completely remove the separation of powers between parliament and the judiciary.
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By *uietbloke67Man
over a year ago
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Read that myself this morning.
That's the proof then.
Thank god the UK is in such a fine state we can blow 200+million on a daft idea to keep a few right wing tories happy.
Then again didn't those same tories moan ee have far to much aid to countries, like eh Rawanda!
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"Read that myself this morning.
That's the proof then.
Thank god the UK is in such a fine state we can blow 200+million on a daft idea to keep a few right wing tories happy.
Then again didn't those same tories moan ee have far to much aid to countries, like eh Rawanda!
Clowns will clown"
Small beer
National debt trebled to £2,591,000,000,000 by tories since 2010. The interest alone is £3700 per uk household per year
Race to the bottom |
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By *uietbloke67Man
over a year ago
outside your bedroom window ;-) |
"Read that myself this morning.
That's the proof then.
Thank god the UK is in such a fine state we can blow 200+million on a daft idea to keep a few right wing tories happy.
Then again didn't those same tories moan ee have far to much aid to countries, like eh Rawanda!
Clowns will clown
Small beer
National debt trebled to £2,591,000,000,000 by tories since 2010. The interest alone is £3700 per uk household per year
Race to the bottom "
If you want to put that amount into my account for a small beer feel free. |
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"Thank god the UK is in such a fine state we can blow 200+million on a daft idea to keep a few right wing tories happy.
Then again didn't those same tories moan ee have far to much aid to countries, like eh Rawanda!
Clowns will clown"
"Small beer
National debt trebled to £2,591,000,000,000 by tories since 2010. The interest alone is £3700 per uk household per year
Race to the bottom"
"If you want to put that amount into my account for a small beer feel free."
If you want it, I'll send it to you (or at least your national percentage of it). Let's see, that's £200,000,000, and you're one of 68m people, so that comes to £2.91. Not enough for a pint, so it will indeed be a small beer. |
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"Thank god the UK is in such a fine state we can blow 200+million on a daft idea to keep a few right wing tories happy.
Then again didn't those same tories moan ee have far to much aid to countries, like eh Rawanda!
Clowns will clown
Small beer
National debt trebled to £2,591,000,000,000 by tories since 2010. The interest alone is £3700 per uk household per year
Race to the bottom
If you want to put that amount into my account for a small beer feel free.
If you want it, I'll send it to you (or at least your national percentage of it). Let's see, that's £200,000,000, and you're one of 68m people, so that comes to £2.91. Not enough for a pint, so it will indeed be a small beer."
Per household I said
£100,000,000,000 annual interest / 27,000,000
= £3703. A year. Per household |
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"Thank god the UK is in such a fine state we can blow 200+million on a daft idea to keep a few right wing tories happy.
Then again didn't those same tories moan ee have far to much aid to countries, like eh Rawanda!
Clowns will clown
Small beer
National debt trebled to £2,591,000,000,000 by tories since 2010. The interest alone is £3700 per uk household per year
Race to the bottom
If you want to put that amount into my account for a small beer feel free.
If you want it, I'll send it to you (or at least your national percentage of it). Let's see, that's £200,000,000, and you're one of 68m people, so that comes to £2.91. Not enough for a pint, so it will indeed be a small beer.
Per household I said
£100,000,000,000 annual interest / 27,000,000
= £3703. A year. Per household "
You said 200m was small beer so he done the calculation on 200m.
Makes sense. |
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"Thank god the UK is in such a fine state we can blow 200+million on a daft idea to keep a few right wing tories happy.
Then again didn't those same tories moan ee have far to much aid to countries, like eh Rawanda!
Clowns will clown
Small beer
National debt trebled to £2,591,000,000,000 by tories since 2010. The interest alone is £3700 per uk household per year
Race to the bottom
If you want to put that amount into my account for a small beer feel free.
If you want it, I'll send it to you (or at least your national percentage of it). Let's see, that's £200,000,000, and you're one of 68m people, so that comes to £2.91. Not enough for a pint, so it will indeed be a small beer.
Per household I said
£100,000,000,000 annual interest / 27,000,000
= £3703. A year. Per household
You said 200m was small beer so he done the calculation on 200m.
Makes sense. "
For clarity I’m talking about the annual household proportional cost of interest on our national debt |
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"Thank god the UK is in such a fine state we can blow 200+million on a daft idea to keep a few right wing tories happy.
Then again didn't those same tories moan ee have far to much aid to countries, like eh Rawanda!
Clowns will clown
Small beer
National debt trebled to £2,591,000,000,000 by tories since 2010. The interest alone is £3700 per uk household per year
Race to the bottom
If you want to put that amount into my account for a small beer feel free.
If you want it, I'll send it to you (or at least your national percentage of it). Let's see, that's £200,000,000, and you're one of 68m people, so that comes to £2.91. Not enough for a pint, so it will indeed be a small beer.
Per household I said
£100,000,000,000 annual interest / 27,000,000
= £3703. A year. Per household
You said 200m was small beer so he done the calculation on 200m.
Makes sense.
For clarity I’m talking about the annual household proportional cost of interest on our national debt "
For clarity, where you saying that figure is small beer or 200m to Rwanda is small beer? |
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By *uietbloke67Man
over a year ago
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"Thank god the UK is in such a fine state we can blow 200+million on a daft idea to keep a few right wing tories happy.
Then again didn't those same tories moan ee have far to much aid to countries, like eh Rawanda!
Clowns will clown
Small beer
National debt trebled to £2,591,000,000,000 by tories since 2010. The interest alone is £3700 per uk household per year
Race to the bottom
If you want to put that amount into my account for a small beer feel free.
If you want it, I'll send it to you (or at least your national percentage of it). Let's see, that's £200,000,000, and you're one of 68m people, so that comes to £2.91. Not enough for a pint, so it will indeed be a small beer."
Unfortunately you are backtracking on your initial statement. You said 200million is small beer, so I'm claiming my small beer @ 200 million.
If the other 68 million want to claim their small beet that's their shout  |
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"Thank god the UK is in such a fine state we can blow 200+million on a daft idea to keep a few right wing tories happy.
Then again didn't those same tories moan ee have far to much aid to countries, like eh Rawanda!
Clowns will clown"
"Small beer
National debt trebled to £2,591,000,000,000 by tories since 2010. The interest alone is £3700 per uk household per year
Race to the bottom"
"If you want to put that amount into my account for a small beer feel free."
"If you want it, I'll send it to you (or at least your national percentage of it). Let's see, that's £200,000,000, and you're one of 68m people, so that comes to £2.91. Not enough for a pint, so it will indeed be a small beer."
"Unfortunately you are backtracking on your initial statement."
I didn't make that initial statement, i was just joining in to show that £200m is indeed small beer for the UK.
"You said 200million is small beer, so I'm claiming my small beer @ 200 million.
If the other 68 million want to claim their small beer that's their shout "
If there's £200m to be paid out, I forsee a lot of shouting going on. |
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By *otMe66Man
over a year ago
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"Thank god the UK is in such a fine state we can blow 200+million on a daft idea to keep a few right wing tories happy.
Then again didn't those same tories moan ee have far to much aid to countries, like eh Rawanda!
Clowns will clown
Small beer
National debt trebled to £2,591,000,000,000 by tories since 2010. The interest alone is £3700 per uk household per year
Race to the bottom
If you want to put that amount into my account for a small beer feel free.
If you want it, I'll send it to you (or at least your national percentage of it). Let's see, that's £200,000,000, and you're one of 68m people, so that comes to £2.91. Not enough for a pint, so it will indeed be a small beer.
Unfortunately you are backtracking on your initial statement. You said 200million is small beer, so I'm claiming my small beer @ 200 million.
If the other 68 million want to claim their small beet that's their shout "
Let’s put some perspective around this…
It is costing £8 million a day to house asylum seekers who enter the country illegally.
To focus this a little more, that £2.9 billion a year.
Finally 200 million is just 6.9% of 2.9 billion, which I would consider, small beer after all things considered.
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"Thank god the UK is in such a fine state we can blow 200+million on a daft idea to keep a few right wing tories happy.
Then again didn't those same tories moan ee have far to much aid to countries, like eh Rawanda!
Clowns will clown
Small beer
National debt trebled to £2,591,000,000,000 by tories since 2010. The interest alone is £3700 per uk household per year
Race to the bottom
If you want to put that amount into my account for a small beer feel free.
If you want it, I'll send it to you (or at least your national percentage of it). Let's see, that's £200,000,000, and you're one of 68m people, so that comes to £2.91. Not enough for a pint, so it will indeed be a small beer.
Unfortunately you are backtracking on your initial statement. You said 200million is small beer, so I'm claiming my small beer @ 200 million.
If the other 68 million want to claim their small beet that's their shout
Let’s put some perspective around this…
It is costing £8 million a day to house asylum seekers who enter the country illegally.
To focus this a little more, that £2.9 billion a year.
Finally 200 million is just 6.9% of 2.9 billion, which I would consider, small beer after all things considered.
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how many do we house a year ? And how many will be going to Rwanda ? |
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By *otMe66Man
over a year ago
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"Thank god the UK is in such a fine state we can blow 200+million on a daft idea to keep a few right wing tories happy.
Then again didn't those same tories moan ee have far to much aid to countries, like eh Rawanda!
Clowns will clown
Small beer
National debt trebled to £2,591,000,000,000 by tories since 2010. The interest alone is £3700 per uk household per year
Race to the bottom
If you want to put that amount into my account for a small beer feel free.
If you want it, I'll send it to you (or at least your national percentage of it). Let's see, that's £200,000,000, and you're one of 68m people, so that comes to £2.91. Not enough for a pint, so it will indeed be a small beer.
Unfortunately you are backtracking on your initial statement. You said 200million is small beer, so I'm claiming my small beer @ 200 million.
If the other 68 million want to claim their small beet that's their shout
Let’s put some perspective around this…
It is costing £8 million a day to house asylum seekers who enter the country illegally.
To focus this a little more, that £2.9 billion a year.
Finally 200 million is just 6.9% of 2.9 billion, which I would consider, small beer after all things considered.
how many do we house a year ? And how many will be going to Rwanda ? "
All good questions but not at all relevant to small beer costs on what we know about today…
If the bill ever gets approved, we can then follow up on your questions  |
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"Thank god the UK is in such a fine state we can blow 200+million on a daft idea to keep a few right wing tories happy.
Then again didn't those same tories moan ee have far to much aid to countries, like eh Rawanda!
Clowns will clown
Small beer
National debt trebled to £2,591,000,000,000 by tories since 2010. The interest alone is £3700 per uk household per year
Race to the bottom
If you want to put that amount into my account for a small beer feel free.
If you want it, I'll send it to you (or at least your national percentage of it). Let's see, that's £200,000,000, and you're one of 68m people, so that comes to £2.91. Not enough for a pint, so it will indeed be a small beer.
Unfortunately you are backtracking on your initial statement. You said 200million is small beer, so I'm claiming my small beer @ 200 million.
If the other 68 million want to claim their small beet that's their shout
Let’s put some perspective around this…
It is costing £8 million a day to house asylum seekers who enter the country illegally.
To focus this a little more, that £2.9 billion a year.
Finally 200 million is just 6.9% of 2.9 billion, which I would consider, small beer after all things considered.
how many do we house a year ? And how many will be going to Rwanda ?
All good questions but not at all relevant to small beer costs on what we know about today…
If the bill ever gets approved, we can then follow up on your questions "
torynomics. £250m for naff benefit is fine, as long as you can position it agaisnt a large number !
(I doubt this is your point, but it's plausible where we will end up, and people will be fine).
Random fact tho. It's about 2.5pc of Rwanda gdp. That's nuts imo. |
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