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Rowley says there is no law that exists to stop the march.
In 2011, the Met asked Theresa May (Home Sec) to ban 'far right' marches in London. May said the law allowed her to.
I don't know if the law is the same but looks like one rule for the right and another for the left.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/uk/2011/aug/26/edl-march-london-banned |
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By *melie LAL OP Woman
over a year ago
Peterborough |
"Rowley says there is no law that exists to stop the march.
In 2011, the Met asked Theresa May (Home Sec) to ban 'far right' marches in London. May said the law allowed her to.
I don't know if the law is the same but looks like one rule for the right and another for the left.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/uk/2011/aug/26/edl-march-london-banned"
Why are you making it about left and right ffs? It'll be about (perceived, I guess) threat of violence. |
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"Rowley says there is no law that exists to stop the march.
In 2011, the Met asked Theresa May (Home Sec) to ban 'far right' marches in London. May said the law allowed her to.
I don't know if the law is the same but looks like one rule for the right and another for the left.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/uk/2011/aug/26/edl-march-london-banned
Why are you making it about left and right ffs? It'll be about (perceived, I guess) threat of violence."
I was actually talking about law and how it seems...
Have you seen the violence and vandalism coming from some of these 'protests'? |
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By *abioMan
over a year ago
Newcastle and Gateshead |
I don’t have a problem with the demonstration… it is starting an hour after the commemorations at Whitehall have finished.. and is taking part several miles away at Hyde Park so there is no chance of any intersection or overlap
This is sunak being riled up by sue ellen…. |
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over a year ago
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Its ironic that a woman who not so long ago refused to stop using language that a holocaust survivor found offensive. Is now an authority on hate and anti-Semitic language. |
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By *eroy1000Man
over a year ago
milton keynes |
"Rowley says there is no law that exists to stop the march.
In 2011, the Met asked Theresa May (Home Sec) to ban 'far right' marches in London. May said the law allowed her to.
I don't know if the law is the same but looks like one rule for the right and another for the left.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/uk/2011/aug/26/edl-march-london-banned"
What I read on the BBC differs a bit from Rowley saying there is no law to stop the march. The article I read says Rowley states that banning it would be a last resort. To me this implies it is possible. It goes on to say that such an order is incredibly rare and the threat of serious disorder has a very high threshold that has not been met. I only hope he is right and it goes peacefully. The actions of those in Rochdale that removed poppies from the memorial and hung flags on it instead should not be repeated |
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By *melie LAL OP Woman
over a year ago
Peterborough |
"Rowley says there is no law that exists to stop the march.
In 2011, the Met asked Theresa May (Home Sec) to ban 'far right' marches in London. May said the law allowed her to.
I don't know if the law is the same but looks like one rule for the right and another for the left.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/uk/2011/aug/26/edl-march-london-banned
What I read on the BBC differs a bit from Rowley saying there is no law to stop the march. The article I read says Rowley states that banning it would be a last resort. To me this implies it is possible. It goes on to say that such an order is incredibly rare and the threat of serious disorder has a very high threshold that has not been met. I only hope he is right and it goes peacefully. The actions of those in Rochdale that removed poppies from the memorial and hung flags on it instead should not be repeated"
It was on the BBC news at one. There's the caveat of "threat". Therefore one assumes intelligence has to report/perceive a threat. With a supposedly peaceful organised march, the police cannot prevent it going ahead. Which is basically what you've gone on to report. |
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"Rowley says there is no law that exists to stop the march.
In 2011, the Met asked Theresa May (Home Sec) to ban 'far right' marches in London. May said the law allowed her to.
I don't know if the law is the same but looks like one rule for the right and another for the left.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/uk/2011/aug/26/edl-march-london-banned
What I read on the BBC differs a bit from Rowley saying there is no law to stop the march. The article I read says Rowley states that banning it would be a last resort. To me this implies it is possible. It goes on to say that such an order is incredibly rare and the threat of serious disorder has a very high threshold that has not been met. I only hope he is right and it goes peacefully. The actions of those in Rochdale that removed poppies from the memorial and hung flags on it instead should not be repeated"
“The laws created by Parliament are clear. There is no absolute power to ban protest, therefore there will be a protest this weekend,” Sir Mark said.
Whilst it's correct that there is no 'absolute' power, there are laws in place to stop a protest should there be a threat. I think this past weekend has shown us there is a threat. |
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"The professional protesters will be out in force this weekend regardless of which bandwagon they jump on trying to disrupt and create ill feeling."
That's normal, rent a mob tend to rock up if they think they can use whatever the issue is to kick off..
I think as well a large police presence to try and spot them before they do the organisers will not want them leaching on because any bother will inevitably come back on them which they also don't want..
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It's not so much the protest per se, but the niggling suspicion that it's being done wilfully to be disrespectful and court controversy. Two fingers up to the establishment as it were. Fair enough, it's freedom of speech and all that. But it cuts two ways too. How controversial would it be to make substantial donations to the IDF for example? |
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"The professional protesters will be out in force this weekend regardless of which bandwagon they jump on trying to disrupt and create ill feeling.
That's normal, rent a mob tend to rock up if they think they can use whatever the issue is to kick off..
I think as well a large police presence to try and spot them before they do the organisers will not want them leaching on because any bother will inevitably come back on them which they also don't want..
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I agree with the rent a mob theory |
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By *mmmMaybeCouple
over a year ago
West Wales |
"Sunak states he'll hold Rowley accountable for allowing Palestinian protest to go ahead on Armistice Day."
Sunak is a grovelling little shit. As I said on another thread there has not been a 100% peaceful march in this country in several decades because they’ll always be some anarchistic arsehole who will try & make their little statement of self importance & they’ll see any disruption as anti Government, rather than see the damage done to the cause whatever that may be.
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"The professional protesters will be out in force this weekend regardless of which bandwagon they jump on trying to disrupt and create ill feeling.
That's normal, rent a mob tend to rock up if they think they can use whatever the issue is to kick off..
I think as well a large police presence to try and spot them before they do the organisers will not want them leaching on because any bother will inevitably come back on them which they also don't want..
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For you honestly think the organisers care?
Do you know who Muhammad Kathem Sawalha is? |
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"The professional protesters will be out in force this weekend regardless of which bandwagon they jump on trying to disrupt and create ill feeling.
That's normal, rent a mob tend to rock up if they think they can use whatever the issue is to kick off..
I think as well a large police presence to try and spot them before they do the organisers will not want them leaching on because any bother will inevitably come back on them which they also don't want..
For you honestly think the organisers care?
Do you know who Muhammad Kathem Sawalha is?"
I think they know that their message will be tainted if it kicks off so yes I would think they care about that, plus they've already stated they will be away from central London etc..
No, not sure why I should but hey please enlighten me as you've clearly done some research.. |
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"Because they know they can get away with it, turn up with their phones provoke a response from the police and turn the phones on when convenient to show police brutality and bad treatment.
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Definitely, they shouldn't be allowed to film the police beating the shit out of them. |
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"The professional protesters will be out in force this weekend regardless of which bandwagon they jump on trying to disrupt and create ill feeling.
That's normal, rent a mob tend to rock up if they think they can use whatever the issue is to kick off..
I think as well a large police presence to try and spot them before they do the organisers will not want them leaching on because any bother will inevitably come back on them which they also don't want..
For you honestly think the organisers care?
Do you know who Muhammad Kathem Sawalha is?
I think they know that their message will be tainted if it kicks off so yes I would think they care about that, plus they've already stated they will be away from central London etc..
No, not sure why I should but hey please enlighten me as you've clearly done some research.."
Muhammad Kathem Sawalha is a founder of the Muslim Brotherhood of Britain.
The Muslim Brotherhood of Britain is one of the organisers of the march.
Guess who Muhammad Kathem Sawalha used to lead in the West Bank.
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"Because they know they can get away with it, turn up with their phones provoke a response from the police and turn the phones on when convenient to show police brutality and bad treatment.
Definitely, they shouldn't be allowed to film the police beating the shit out of them. "
That will be the job of Tommy Robinson and his inestimable companions, no? Seriously though, if the Met can't stop a protest, then it follows that a counter protest is permissible. That's where this is headed. |
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By *eroy1000Man
over a year ago
milton keynes |
"Because they know they can get away with it, turn up with their phones provoke a response from the police and turn the phones on when convenient to show police brutality and bad treatment.
Definitely, they shouldn't be allowed to film the police beating the shit out of them.
That will be the job of Tommy Robinson and his inestimable companions, no? Seriously though, if the Met can't stop a protest, then it follows that a counter protest is permissible. That's where this is headed."
I was just thinking that although the police currently do not see the threat level high enough to ban the march, what if a pro Israeli march were to occur in the same area. Would the level then be severe enough. Or do the police say well if it's ok for one side to protest then the same rules must apply to the opposite side |
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"Because they know they can get away with it, turn up with their phones provoke a response from the police and turn the phones on when convenient to show police brutality and bad treatment.
Definitely, they shouldn't be allowed to film the police beating the shit out of them.
That will be the job of Tommy Robinson and his inestimable companions, no? Seriously though, if the Met can't stop a protest, then it follows that a counter protest is permissible. That's where this is headed."
I'm in favour of people peacefully protesting, whatever their cause, if they are opposed to genocide or if they hate Muslims and foreigners.
My post was obviously sarcastic, my opinion is that the police should be able to handle someone provoking them with a phone or even rude words without feeling the need to bash some heads. |
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"Because they know they can get away with it, turn up with their phones provoke a response from the police and turn the phones on when convenient to show police brutality and bad treatment.
Definitely, they shouldn't be allowed to film the police beating the shit out of them. "
Funny man |
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"The professional protesters will be out in force this weekend regardless of which bandwagon they jump on trying to disrupt and create ill feeling.
That's normal, rent a mob tend to rock up if they think they can use whatever the issue is to kick off..
I think as well a large police presence to try and spot them before they do the organisers will not want them leaching on because any bother will inevitably come back on them which they also don't want..
For you honestly think the organisers care?
Do you know who Muhammad Kathem Sawalha is?
I think they know that their message will be tainted if it kicks off so yes I would think they care about that, plus they've already stated they will be away from central London etc..
No, not sure why I should but hey please enlighten me as you've clearly done some research..
Muhammad Kathem Sawalha is a founder of the Muslim Brotherhood of Britain.
The Muslim Brotherhood of Britain is one of the organisers of the march.
Guess who Muhammad Kathem Sawalha used to lead in the West Bank.
?"
Pretty obvious given what's going on so I will say he's got previous..
But I would add I don't need to know such details nor would I expect others who post about other terrorist groups in other parts of the world to be up to speed with its members..
I simply have no need to know, I used to know when I was on the streets in south Armagh in the seventies who our top ten was but not this bloke no..
I would expect the current government who proscribed Hamas armed wing in 2001? To also know..
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"The professional protesters will be out in force this weekend regardless of which bandwagon they jump on trying to disrupt and create ill feeling.
That's normal, rent a mob tend to rock up if they think they can use whatever the issue is to kick off..
I think as well a large police presence to try and spot them before they do the organisers will not want them leaching on because any bother will inevitably come back on them which they also don't want..
For you honestly think the organisers care?
Do you know who Muhammad Kathem Sawalha is?
I think they know that their message will be tainted if it kicks off so yes I would think they care about that, plus they've already stated they will be away from central London etc..
No, not sure why I should but hey please enlighten me as you've clearly done some research..
Muhammad Kathem Sawalha is a founder of the Muslim Brotherhood of Britain.
The Muslim Brotherhood of Britain is one of the organisers of the march.
Guess who Muhammad Kathem Sawalha used to lead in the West Bank.
?
Pretty obvious given what's going on so I will say he's got previous..
But I would add I don't need to know such details nor would I expect others who post about other terrorist groups in other parts of the world to be up to speed with its members..
I simply have no need to know, I used to know when I was on the streets in south Armagh in the seventies who our top ten was but not this bloke no..
I would expect the current government who proscribed Hamas armed wing in 2001? To also know..
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I suspect the government do know, just like they'll know others involved int eh organising of the event too.
I don't suspect any of them will care if it turns bad. As long as it's not near them.
That's the thing with leaders, they rarely get their hands dirty themselves. |
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"The professional protesters will be out in force this weekend regardless of which bandwagon they jump on trying to disrupt and create ill feeling.
That's normal, rent a mob tend to rock up if they think they can use whatever the issue is to kick off..
I think as well a large police presence to try and spot them before they do the organisers will not want them leaching on because any bother will inevitably come back on them which they also don't want..
For you honestly think the organisers care?
Do you know who Muhammad Kathem Sawalha is?
I think they know that their message will be tainted if it kicks off so yes I would think they care about that, plus they've already stated they will be away from central London etc..
No, not sure why I should but hey please enlighten me as you've clearly done some research..
Muhammad Kathem Sawalha is a founder of the Muslim Brotherhood of Britain.
The Muslim Brotherhood of Britain is one of the organisers of the march.
Guess who Muhammad Kathem Sawalha used to lead in the West Bank.
?
Pretty obvious given what's going on so I will say he's got previous..
But I would add I don't need to know such details nor would I expect others who post about other terrorist groups in other parts of the world to be up to speed with its members..
I simply have no need to know, I used to know when I was on the streets in south Armagh in the seventies who our top ten was but not this bloke no..
I would expect the current government who proscribed Hamas armed wing in 2001? To also know..
I suspect the government do know, just like they'll know others involved int eh organising of the event too.
I don't suspect any of them will care if it turns bad. As long as it's not near them.
That's the thing with leaders, they rarely get their hands dirty themselves."
I just looked who he is, I mean it's piss poor legislation when they only proscribed the armed lot of Hamas and this guy and I assume others can live a cover and carry on..
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"The professional protesters will be out in force this weekend regardless of which bandwagon they jump on trying to disrupt and create ill feeling.
That's normal, rent a mob tend to rock up if they think they can use whatever the issue is to kick off..
I think as well a large police presence to try and spot them before they do the organisers will not want them leaching on because any bother will inevitably come back on them which they also don't want..
For you honestly think the organisers care?
Do you know who Muhammad Kathem Sawalha is?
I think they know that their message will be tainted if it kicks off so yes I would think they care about that, plus they've already stated they will be away from central London etc..
No, not sure why I should but hey please enlighten me as you've clearly done some research..
Muhammad Kathem Sawalha is a founder of the Muslim Brotherhood of Britain.
The Muslim Brotherhood of Britain is one of the organisers of the march.
Guess who Muhammad Kathem Sawalha used to lead in the West Bank.
?
Pretty obvious given what's going on so I will say he's got previous..
But I would add I don't need to know such details nor would I expect others who post about other terrorist groups in other parts of the world to be up to speed with its members..
I simply have no need to know, I used to know when I was on the streets in south Armagh in the seventies who our top ten was but not this bloke no..
I would expect the current government who proscribed Hamas armed wing in 2001? To also know..
I suspect the government do know, just like they'll know others involved int eh organising of the event too.
I don't suspect any of them will care if it turns bad. As long as it's not near them.
That's the thing with leaders, they rarely get their hands dirty themselves.
I just looked who he is, I mean it's piss poor legislation when they only proscribed the armed lot of Hamas and this guy and I assume others can live a cover and carry on..
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He was military wing. He was in the UK long before Hamas were proscribed. Its said that he was still involved with them as of 2019 (I don't have any proof of that). |
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"The professional protesters will be out in force this weekend regardless of which bandwagon they jump on trying to disrupt and create ill feeling.
That's normal, rent a mob tend to rock up if they think they can use whatever the issue is to kick off..
I think as well a large police presence to try and spot them before they do the organisers will not want them leaching on because any bother will inevitably come back on them which they also don't want..
For you honestly think the organisers care?
Do you know who Muhammad Kathem Sawalha is?
I think they know that their message will be tainted if it kicks off so yes I would think they care about that, plus they've already stated they will be away from central London etc..
No, not sure why I should but hey please enlighten me as you've clearly done some research..
Muhammad Kathem Sawalha is a founder of the Muslim Brotherhood of Britain.
The Muslim Brotherhood of Britain is one of the organisers of the march.
Guess who Muhammad Kathem Sawalha used to lead in the West Bank.
?
Pretty obvious given what's going on so I will say he's got previous..
But I would add I don't need to know such details nor would I expect others who post about other terrorist groups in other parts of the world to be up to speed with its members..
I simply have no need to know, I used to know when I was on the streets in south Armagh in the seventies who our top ten was but not this bloke no..
I would expect the current government who proscribed Hamas armed wing in 2001? To also know..
I suspect the government do know, just like they'll know others involved int eh organising of the event too.
I don't suspect any of them will care if it turns bad. As long as it's not near them.
That's the thing with leaders, they rarely get their hands dirty themselves.
I just looked who he is, I mean it's piss poor legislation when they only proscribed the armed lot of Hamas and this guy and I assume others can live a cover and carry on..
He was military wing. He was in the UK long before Hamas were proscribed. Its said that he was still involved with them as of 2019 (I don't have any proof of that)."
It's farcical but there's only so many the security services can watch and there's been a rise
in home grown/far right extremists as well as the Isis inspired lot.. |
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By *otMe66Man
over a year ago
Terra Firma |
"Because they know they can get away with it, turn up with their phones provoke a response from the police and turn the phones on when convenient to show police brutality and bad treatment.
Definitely, they shouldn't be allowed to film the police beating the shit out of them. "
This is probably the most out of sync to reality post of 2023?
Putting aside the sarcasm, I’ve seen nothing but pleading and none escalation tactics from the UK police during this time of unrest in our cities.
What have you seen yo the contrary? |
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"Having seen sue ellens statement this morning… she is absolutely out of control
I think she is really trying to get sacked!
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She isn't saying anything that most rational people can't see anyway.
It's cool though, we already know that any violence this weekend will be the fault of the 'far-right'. |
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"Having seen sue ellens statement this morning… she is absolutely out of control
I think she is really trying to get sacked!
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Welcome to Britain 2023 where opposing genocide is labelled as "hate" by the government, and an element of the electorate cheer on.
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So the Met with its outstanding reputation of policing and treatment of none white people has also been a protector and ally of extremists who are calling for the destruction of Israel?
If what she said had been written by Hopkins or Robinson most people wouldn't be surprised, it's almost like she's using the current situation to inflame the far right to rectify as she calls it this injustice..
What she's done is made the polices job harder on Saturday and all because she couldn't bully the Met Commissioner to ban the protest oh yes and to further her own ambitions plus it's another deflection from her own and her parties failings..
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By *melie LAL OP Woman
over a year ago
Peterborough |
"Goes to look at what Braverman has stated this time  "
If The Independent is accurate in its write up, then she really is a gobby mare. What is it with ministers who think they know better than experts (in this case Rowley applying the law). Arrogance! How dare the wee minions go against a minister.
I pity Rowley as there's likely to be trouble and he'll and we'll get told "I told you so". Has the govt got the next met chief lined up, one who'll kowtow to the great and mighty arseholes in Westminster?
The poor sod is in a no win situation. |
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"Goes to look at what Braverman has stated this time
If The Independent is accurate in its write up, then she really is a gobby mare. What is it with ministers who think they know better than experts (in this case Rowley applying the law). Arrogance! How dare the wee minions go against a minister.
I pity Rowley as there's likely to be trouble and he'll and we'll get told "I told you so". Has the govt got the next met chief lined up, one who'll kowtow to the great and mighty arseholes in Westminster?
The poor sod is in a no win situation."
Hopefully the next met chief will have a more impartial view, ban all forms of dissent from people who oppose genocide and people who want the planet to remain habitable.
Any rational person would want those kind of lunatics locked up. |
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By *mmmMaybeCouple
over a year ago
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Bit of a joke really, everyone creating about Armistice day & a March.
Go walk down a High Street & see how many stop for two minutes let alone shut up. all shops when I was a kid would announce it, close the tills & staff would stand along with customers. Traffic would stop in streets & no one got the arse because of the reason you were doing it.
Even then you’d sometimes still get Mr or Mrs Gobby talking because it didn’t enter their heads what day it was & probably nor did they care. Laser vision from others would usually shut them up though.
Now you are lucky if people stop at all at eleven because the Sunday is more seen as “The day for all that stuff”.
In reality though, we shouldn’t have a Remembrance Sunday at all, it should all be on Armistice Day & that would be the 11th November & tough titty what day of the week that fell on, that is more respectful to all of the fallen, to stop our world for one day for them giving up theirs forever.
So to complain about a march against a war on the Saturday is a bit of a bad joke really & Braverman should be the first to STFU. Hooefully for a lot longer that two minutes soon enough.
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In reality though, we shouldn’t have a Remembrance Sunday at all, it should all be on Armistice Day & that would be the 11th November & tough titty what day of the week that fell on, that is more respectful to all of the fallen, to stop our world for one day for them giving up theirs forever.
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Can relate to how it's changed over time and dome of the rest I agree with but not this about not having a remembrance Sunday, along with remembering on the 11th the Sunday is also about those who can't travel to be with ex comrades on the actual 11th which for some is part of their process in dealing with what they went through..
Even on ops there would be a gathering on the Sunday to commemorate and pay respects..
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By *abioMan
over a year ago
Newcastle and Gateshead |
So what was written is not government policy
It was run past no.10 casually… they suggested certain changes be made to the piece
She declined to do do…
So basically sue Ellen is pissing all over rishi’s authority… or lack of
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"So what was written is not government policy
It was run past no.10 casually… they suggested certain changes be made to the piece
She declined to do do…
So basically sue Ellen is pissing all over rishi’s authority… or lack of
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Strategy for if/when they lose the next election.. |
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By *otMe66Man
over a year ago
Terra Firma |
"Having seen sue ellens statement this morning… she is absolutely out of control
I think she is really trying to get sacked!
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Do you think the protests and certain protestors have been policed well?
I personally don’t, they have been scared to do anything about crime or hate going on right under their noses.
Was the comparison to right wing marches like for like, I think not, they’re smaller in number and far easier to arrest without consequences |
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"Having seen sue ellens statement this morning… she is absolutely out of control
I think she is really trying to get sacked!
Do you think the protests and certain protestors have been policed well?
I personally don’t, they have been scared to do anything about crime or hate going on right under their noses.
Was the comparison to right wing marches like for like, I think not, they’re smaller in number and far easier to arrest without consequences "
I think saying they are scared isn't accurate, police arrest people daily who are much more dangerous..
That's not to say there isn't an element of trepidation when confronting others who vastly outnumber the police because they are human..
There's times in a situation to arrest, there's also times to use video evidence etc and deal with them later and sometimes the decision to wade into a large group will be taken by those at command level on a strategic basis.. |
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By *otMe66Man
over a year ago
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"Having seen sue ellens statement this morning… she is absolutely out of control
I think she is really trying to get sacked!
Do you think the protests and certain protestors have been policed well?
I personally don’t, they have been scared to do anything about crime or hate going on right under their noses.
Was the comparison to right wing marches like for like, I think not, they’re smaller in number and far easier to arrest without consequences
I think saying they are scared isn't accurate, police arrest people daily who are much more dangerous..
That's not to say there isn't an element of trepidation when confronting others who vastly outnumber the police because they are human..
There's times in a situation to arrest, there's also times to use video evidence etc and deal with them later and sometimes the decision to wade into a large group will be taken by those at command level on a strategic basis.."
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"Having seen sue ellens statement this morning… she is absolutely out of control
I think she is really trying to get sacked!
Do you think the protests and certain protestors have been policed well?
I personally don’t, they have been scared to do anything about crime or hate going on right under their noses.
Was the comparison to right wing marches like for like, I think not, they’re smaller in number and far easier to arrest without consequences
I think saying they are scared isn't accurate, police arrest people daily who are much more dangerous..
That's not to say there isn't an element of trepidation when confronting others who vastly outnumber the police because they are human..
There's times in a situation to arrest, there's also times to use video evidence etc and deal with them later and sometimes the decision to wade into a large group will be taken by those at command level on a strategic basis..
There is definitely fear of getting it wrong, you can see through their tactics, and that is being seen as weak by protesters "
Maybe because when they do they get castigated by politicians, the media etc..
People who have no idea what it's like to police a protest.. |
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By *melie LAL OP Woman
over a year ago
Peterborough |
"So what was written is not government policy
It was run past no.10 casually… they suggested certain changes be made to the piece
She declined to do do…
So basically sue Ellen is pissing all over rishi’s authority… or lack of
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Just seen that on the BBC news.
And yet Downing Street states Sunak has confidence in her.
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By *oo hotCouple
over a year ago
North West |
There is another point to these marches and that involves the safety of the Police themselves. The Government can (try to) ban protests all they like but once you get past a few hundred people protesting, the Police won’t be able to control that number anyway. Once you get into the realms of thousands or tens of thousands then mob mentality will take over and any efforts by the Police to disperse such crowds will more than likely end up with violence towards the Police.
We have Policing by consent in this country and that means the police are able to control relatively small groups of people at any one time.
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By *otMe66Man
over a year ago
Terra Firma |
"Having seen sue ellens statement this morning… she is absolutely out of control
I think she is really trying to get sacked!
Do you think the protests and certain protestors have been policed well?
I personally don’t, they have been scared to do anything about crime or hate going on right under their noses.
Was the comparison to right wing marches like for like, I think not, they’re smaller in number and far easier to arrest without consequences
I think saying they are scared isn't accurate, police arrest people daily who are much more dangerous..
That's not to say there isn't an element of trepidation when confronting others who vastly outnumber the police because they are human..
There's times in a situation to arrest, there's also times to use video evidence etc and deal with them later and sometimes the decision to wade into a large group will be taken by those at command level on a strategic basis..
There is definitely fear of getting it wrong, you can see through their tactics, and that is being seen as weak by protesters
Maybe because when they do they get castigated by politicians, the media etc..
People who have no idea what it's like to police a protest.."
Isn’t that Braverman’s point, the policing tactics are different.
As I mentioned the numbers for a right wing protest are lower and therefore the consequences are lower for the enforcement.
However the numbers being higher should not give opportunity to those breaking the law to go unchecked, especially when it’s being reported it is a small minority of protesters that are being unlawful.
And this is why it gets to be an argument, it is either a small amount of people being unlawful and therefore should be dealt with, or it is a lot people the police can’t control.
It can’t be both?? |
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By *melie LAL OP Woman
over a year ago
Peterborough |
"Having seen sue ellens statement this morning… she is absolutely out of control
I think she is really trying to get sacked!
Do you think the protests and certain protestors have been policed well?
I personally don’t, they have been scared to do anything about crime or hate going on right under their noses.
Was the comparison to right wing marches like for like, I think not, they’re smaller in number and far easier to arrest without consequences
I think saying they are scared isn't accurate, police arrest people daily who are much more dangerous..
That's not to say there isn't an element of trepidation when confronting others who vastly outnumber the police because they are human..
There's times in a situation to arrest, there's also times to use video evidence etc and deal with them later and sometimes the decision to wade into a large group will be taken by those at command level on a strategic basis..
There is definitely fear of getting it wrong, you can see through their tactics, and that is being seen as weak by protesters
Maybe because when they do they get castigated by politicians, the media etc..
People who have no idea what it's like to police a protest..
Isn’t that Braverman’s point, the policing tactics are different.
As I mentioned the numbers for a right wing protest are lower and therefore the consequences are lower for the enforcement.
However the numbers being higher should not give opportunity to those breaking the law to go unchecked, especially when it’s being reported it is a small minority of protesters that are being unlawful.
And this is why it gets to be an argument, it is either a small amount of people being unlawful and therefore should be dealt with, or it is a lot people the police can’t control.
It can’t be both?? "
Good god, what is it with people comparing this demonstration with a right wing one?
Are you saying anti war in Gaza is a left issue? What does it matter what political side it's on. I'm obviously ignorant on what it all means |
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By *otMe66Man
over a year ago
Terra Firma |
"Having seen sue ellens statement this morning… she is absolutely out of control
I think she is really trying to get sacked!
Do you think the protests and certain protestors have been policed well?
I personally don’t, they have been scared to do anything about crime or hate going on right under their noses.
Was the comparison to right wing marches like for like, I think not, they’re smaller in number and far easier to arrest without consequences
I think saying they are scared isn't accurate, police arrest people daily who are much more dangerous..
That's not to say there isn't an element of trepidation when confronting others who vastly outnumber the police because they are human..
There's times in a situation to arrest, there's also times to use video evidence etc and deal with them later and sometimes the decision to wade into a large group will be taken by those at command level on a strategic basis..
There is definitely fear of getting it wrong, you can see through their tactics, and that is being seen as weak by protesters
Maybe because when they do they get castigated by politicians, the media etc..
People who have no idea what it's like to police a protest..
Isn’t that Braverman’s point, the policing tactics are different.
As I mentioned the numbers for a right wing protest are lower and therefore the consequences are lower for the enforcement.
However the numbers being higher should not give opportunity to those breaking the law to go unchecked, especially when it’s being reported it is a small minority of protesters that are being unlawful.
And this is why it gets to be an argument, it is either a small amount of people being unlawful and therefore should be dealt with, or it is a lot people the police can’t control.
It can’t be both??
Good god, what is it with people comparing this demonstration with a right wing one?
Are you saying anti war in Gaza is a left issue? What does it matter what political side it's on. I'm obviously ignorant on what it all means "
I thought you had read what Braverman had said, you made a post to say this….
Maybe you didn’t, after that reply |
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By *melie LAL OP Woman
over a year ago
Peterborough |
"Having seen sue ellens statement this morning… she is absolutely out of control
I think she is really trying to get sacked!
Do you think the protests and certain protestors have been policed well?
I personally don’t, they have been scared to do anything about crime or hate going on right under their noses.
Was the comparison to right wing marches like for like, I think not, they’re smaller in number and far easier to arrest without consequences
I think saying they are scared isn't accurate, police arrest people daily who are much more dangerous..
That's not to say there isn't an element of trepidation when confronting others who vastly outnumber the police because they are human..
There's times in a situation to arrest, there's also times to use video evidence etc and deal with them later and sometimes the decision to wade into a large group will be taken by those at command level on a strategic basis..
There is definitely fear of getting it wrong, you can see through their tactics, and that is being seen as weak by protesters
Maybe because when they do they get castigated by politicians, the media etc..
People who have no idea what it's like to police a protest..
Isn’t that Braverman’s point, the policing tactics are different.
As I mentioned the numbers for a right wing protest are lower and therefore the consequences are lower for the enforcement.
However the numbers being higher should not give opportunity to those breaking the law to go unchecked, especially when it’s being reported it is a small minority of protesters that are being unlawful.
And this is why it gets to be an argument, it is either a small amount of people being unlawful and therefore should be dealt with, or it is a lot people the police can’t control.
It can’t be both??
Good god, what is it with people comparing this demonstration with a right wing one?
Are you saying anti war in Gaza is a left issue? What does it matter what political side it's on. I'm obviously ignorant on what it all means
I thought you had read what Braverman had said, you made a post to say this….
Maybe you didn’t, after that reply "
Only the Independent's article regarding it, as I implied. |
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By *otMe66Man
over a year ago
Terra Firma |
"Having seen sue ellens statement this morning… she is absolutely out of control
I think she is really trying to get sacked!
Do you think the protests and certain protestors have been policed well?
I personally don’t, they have been scared to do anything about crime or hate going on right under their noses.
Was the comparison to right wing marches like for like, I think not, they’re smaller in number and far easier to arrest without consequences
I think saying they are scared isn't accurate, police arrest people daily who are much more dangerous..
That's not to say there isn't an element of trepidation when confronting others who vastly outnumber the police because they are human..
There's times in a situation to arrest, there's also times to use video evidence etc and deal with them later and sometimes the decision to wade into a large group will be taken by those at command level on a strategic basis..
There is definitely fear of getting it wrong, you can see through their tactics, and that is being seen as weak by protesters
Maybe because when they do they get castigated by politicians, the media etc..
People who have no idea what it's like to police a protest..
Isn’t that Braverman’s point, the policing tactics are different.
As I mentioned the numbers for a right wing protest are lower and therefore the consequences are lower for the enforcement.
However the numbers being higher should not give opportunity to those breaking the law to go unchecked, especially when it’s being reported it is a small minority of protesters that are being unlawful.
And this is why it gets to be an argument, it is either a small amount of people being unlawful and therefore should be dealt with, or it is a lot people the police can’t control.
It can’t be both??
Good god, what is it with people comparing this demonstration with a right wing one?
Are you saying anti war in Gaza is a left issue? What does it matter what political side it's on. I'm obviously ignorant on what it all means
I thought you had read what Braverman had said, you made a post to say this….
Maybe you didn’t, after that reply
Only the Independent's article regarding it, as I implied. "
And they missed out the most contentious part, that’s not great is it…, |
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By *melie LAL OP Woman
over a year ago
Peterborough |
"Having seen sue ellens statement this morning… she is absolutely out of control
I think she is really trying to get sacked!
Do you think the protests and certain protestors have been policed well?
I personally don’t, they have been scared to do anything about crime or hate going on right under their noses.
Was the comparison to right wing marches like for like, I think not, they’re smaller in number and far easier to arrest without consequences
I think saying they are scared isn't accurate, police arrest people daily who are much more dangerous..
That's not to say there isn't an element of trepidation when confronting others who vastly outnumber the police because they are human..
There's times in a situation to arrest, there's also times to use video evidence etc and deal with them later and sometimes the decision to wade into a large group will be taken by those at command level on a strategic basis..
There is definitely fear of getting it wrong, you can see through their tactics, and that is being seen as weak by protesters
Maybe because when they do they get castigated by politicians, the media etc..
People who have no idea what it's like to police a protest..
Isn’t that Braverman’s point, the policing tactics are different.
As I mentioned the numbers for a right wing protest are lower and therefore the consequences are lower for the enforcement.
However the numbers being higher should not give opportunity to those breaking the law to go unchecked, especially when it’s being reported it is a small minority of protesters that are being unlawful.
And this is why it gets to be an argument, it is either a small amount of people being unlawful and therefore should be dealt with, or it is a lot people the police can’t control.
It can’t be both??
Good god, what is it with people comparing this demonstration with a right wing one?
Are you saying anti war in Gaza is a left issue? What does it matter what political side it's on. I'm obviously ignorant on what it all means
I thought you had read what Braverman had said, you made a post to say this….
Maybe you didn’t, after that reply
Only the Independent's article regarding it, as I implied.
And they missed out the most contentious part, that’s not great is it…,"
I'm not sure if that's made me curious enough to actually read the article  . I wanted an overview and got one. |
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"Having seen sue ellens statement this morning… she is absolutely out of control
I think she is really trying to get sacked!
Do you think the protests and certain protestors have been policed well?
I personally don’t, they have been scared to do anything about crime or hate going on right under their noses.
Was the comparison to right wing marches like for like, I think not, they’re smaller in number and far easier to arrest without consequences
I think saying they are scared isn't accurate, police arrest people daily who are much more dangerous..
That's not to say there isn't an element of trepidation when confronting others who vastly outnumber the police because they are human..
There's times in a situation to arrest, there's also times to use video evidence etc and deal with them later and sometimes the decision to wade into a large group will be taken by those at command level on a strategic basis..
There is definitely fear of getting it wrong, you can see through their tactics, and that is being seen as weak by protesters
Maybe because when they do they get castigated by politicians, the media etc..
People who have no idea what it's like to police a protest..
Isn’t that Braverman’s point, the policing tactics are different.
As I mentioned the numbers for a right wing protest are lower and therefore the consequences are lower for the enforcement.
However the numbers being higher should not give opportunity to those breaking the law to go unchecked, especially when it’s being reported it is a small minority of protesters that are being unlawful.
And this is why it gets to be an argument, it is either a small amount of people being unlawful and therefore should be dealt with, or it is a lot people the police can’t control.
It can’t be both?? "
And yet there's been over two hundred arrests which does suggest that police are dealing with what they are faced with without fear nor favour..
If the small amount are acting unlawfully within a much larger group as opposed to a much smaller group there are differences in how it will be policed, that will be as I said down to silver or gold command who know what resources there are and what the potential is if after the police go in they can get out and what the effects of their actions have on the rest..
People act differently in groups, the whole psychology of such things is complex and the risk of causing a major confrontation over some individuals will be part of that on the day..
As for bravermans point, it's more about her I think rather than how any group is policed..
Her language is inflammatory, and is deliberately spreading further division which from any politician is unacceptable let alone the Home Secretary who is she feels so can remove the Commissioner..
She's playing politics and ambition in using the current situation.. |
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"I think Sunak will sack her, might be wrong but she's a loose cannon and he might grow a set and look to offing her with over a year to forget about her before the next election..
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I don't think so. Just look on here. She really energises their supporters with this kind of rhetoric. |
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"I think Sunak will sack her, might be wrong but she's a loose cannon and he might grow a set and look to offing her with over a year to forget about her before the next election.."
"I don't think so. Just look on here. She really energises their supporters with this kind of rhetoric."
I agree
I'd go so far as to say that it looks like she's saying all the things that Rishi might want to say, but can't because it would damage his reputation. Almost as if she's helping him out by saying these contentious things, which he can justifiably disagree with |
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By *otMe66Man
over a year ago
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"I think Sunak will sack her, might be wrong but she's a loose cannon and he might grow a set and look to offing her with over a year to forget about her before the next election..
I don't think so. Just look on here. She really energises their supporters with this kind of rhetoric."
Who has been energised by Braverman's comments, I haven't seen that? I have seen some discussions that follow the usual, soft on law & order and hard on law & order.
I personally still think the police are being to soft and it is playing into the fringe elements who are there to cause trouble, and that trouble then flows into the idiots who turn up for a chance to be thugs and vandals with little chance of being punished.
Saying the above does not make me a far right thug, racist or any other name that gets thrown about, it is purely a statement of my tolerance for violent, racist, and destructive behaviour on the streets of our country.
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By *eroy1000Man
over a year ago
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It's a dilemma for rishi as he can not look to weak by letting her go of script but at the same time will he really sack her a day or 2 before the planned march. Regarding the arresting during large protests problem, I can sympathise with police faced with arresting a few amongst a big crowd. However, if most of the crowd are there to march peacefully then they should not pose a threat. In fact any peaceful protesters should be pleased to see any bad apples removed from them. If they want a peaceful march then they will not want any trouble makers. |
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"I think Sunak will sack her, might be wrong but she's a loose cannon and he might grow a set and look to offing her with over a year to forget about her before the next election..
I don't think so. Just look on here. She really energises their supporters with this kind of rhetoric.
Who has been energised by Braverman's comments, I haven't seen that? I have seen some discussions that follow the usual, soft on law & order and hard on law & order.
"
Lolz
"
I personally still think the police are being to soft and it is playing into the fringe elements who are there to cause trouble, and that trouble then flows into the idiots who turn up for a chance to be thugs and vandals with little chance of being punished.
"
Yes fully agree. The police should go in on the attack and smash everyone that shows up to protest against mass killings, incase some fringe elements there cause trouble. It's paramount that we.
A. Tar all the protesters with the same brush.
B. Do everything possible to divert attention from our government supporting the mass killings of civilians, women and children.
"
Saying the above does not make me a far right thug, racist or any other name that gets thrown about, it is purely a statement of my tolerance for violent, racist, and destructive behaviour on the streets of our country.
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I wonder why those 150,000 plus who have been tying up police resources for the past three Saturdays and will no doubt do so this weekend don't march to gazza and fight for what they believe in. There are plenty of dinghies in the pound in Dover to get them their.
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"I think Sunak will sack her, might be wrong but she's a loose cannon and he might grow a set and look to offing her with over a year to forget about her before the next election..
I don't think so. Just look on here. She really energises their supporters with this kind of rhetoric.
Who has been energised by Braverman's comments, I haven't seen that? I have seen some discussions that follow the usual, soft on law & order and hard on law & order.
I personally still think the police are being to soft and it is playing into the fringe elements who are there to cause trouble, and that trouble then flows into the idiots who turn up for a chance to be thugs and vandals with little chance of being punished.
Saying the above does not make me a far right thug, racist or any other name that gets thrown about, it is purely a statement of my tolerance for violent, racist, and destructive behaviour on the streets of our country.
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"I wonder why those 150,000 plus who have been tying up police resources for the past three Saturdays and will no doubt do so this weekend don't march to gazza and fight for what they believe in. There are plenty of dinghies in the pound in Dover to get them their.
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100%
There is absolutely no difference from expressing dissent against our government supporting mass killings in Palestine, and to walking all the way (with some small boat trips), through the UK, France, Italy, Slovenia, Croatia, Bosnia, Albania, Greece, Turkey, Lebanon and Israel to get to get bombed to death in the Gaza Strip.
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By *otMe66Man
over a year ago
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"I think Sunak will sack her, might be wrong but she's a loose cannon and he might grow a set and look to offing her with over a year to forget about her before the next election..
I don't think so. Just look on here. She really energises their supporters with this kind of rhetoric.
Who has been energised by Braverman's comments, I haven't seen that? I have seen some discussions that follow the usual, soft on law & order and hard on law & order.
I personally still think the police are being to soft and it is playing into the fringe elements who are there to cause trouble, and that trouble then flows into the idiots who turn up for a chance to be thugs and vandals with little chance of being punished.
Saying the above does not make me a far right thug, racist or any other name that gets thrown about, it is purely a statement of my tolerance for violent, racist, and destructive behaviour on the streets of our country.
too soft on what way ? I'm guessing your mean arrests rather than seeking to get the protest stopped. "
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By *otMe66Man
over a year ago
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"I think Sunak will sack her, might be wrong but she's a loose cannon and he might grow a set and look to offing her with over a year to forget about her before the next election..
I don't think so. Just look on here. She really energises their supporters with this kind of rhetoric.
Who has been energised by Braverman's comments, I haven't seen that? I have seen some discussions that follow the usual, soft on law & order and hard on law & order.
Lolz
I personally still think the police are being to soft and it is playing into the fringe elements who are there to cause trouble, and that trouble then flows into the idiots who turn up for a chance to be thugs and vandals with little chance of being punished.
Yes fully agree. The police should go in on the attack and smash everyone that shows up to protest against mass killings, incase some fringe elements there cause trouble. It's paramount that we.
A. Tar all the protesters with the same brush.
B. Do everything possible to divert attention from our government supporting the mass killings of civilians, women and children.
Saying the above does not make me a far right thug, racist or any other name that gets thrown about, it is purely a statement of my tolerance for violent, racist, and destructive behaviour on the streets of our country.
Good work. "
I really don’t understand your statements, I asked for some evidence and you have become personal and hard to understand.
If you can’t provide the information you claim, it might be easier to ignore me or tell me you haven’t got it?
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"I think Sunak will sack her, might be wrong but she's a loose cannon and he might grow a set and look to offing her with over a year to forget about her before the next election..
I don't think so. Just look on here. She really energises their supporters with this kind of rhetoric.
Who has been energised by Braverman's comments, I haven't seen that? I have seen some discussions that follow the usual, soft on law & order and hard on law & order.
Lolz
I personally still think the police are being to soft and it is playing into the fringe elements who are there to cause trouble, and that trouble then flows into the idiots who turn up for a chance to be thugs and vandals with little chance of being punished.
Yes fully agree. The police should go in on the attack and smash everyone that shows up to protest against mass killings, incase some fringe elements there cause trouble. It's paramount that we.
A. Tar all the protesters with the same brush.
B. Do everything possible to divert attention from our government supporting the mass killings of civilians, women and children.
Saying the above does not make me a far right thug, racist or any other name that gets thrown about, it is purely a statement of my tolerance for violent, racist, and destructive behaviour on the streets of our country.
Good work.
I really don’t understand your statements, I asked for some evidence and you have become personal and hard to understand.
If you can’t provide the information you claim, it might be easier to ignore me or tell me you haven’t got it?
It doesn’t need to be personal or this hard"
I haven't claimed anything.
I agreed with you.
Tar all the protesters with the same brush.
Divert all attention from the issue and make the story about the minority of people who might cause trouble.
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over a year ago
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"I think Sunak will sack her, might be wrong but she's a loose cannon and he might grow a set and look to offing her with over a year to forget about her before the next election..
I don't think so. Just look on here. She really energises their supporters with this kind of rhetoric.
Who has been energised by Braverman's comments, I haven't seen that? I have seen some discussions that follow the usual, soft on law & order and hard on law & order.
Lolz
I personally still think the police are being to soft and it is playing into the fringe elements who are there to cause trouble, and that trouble then flows into the idiots who turn up for a chance to be thugs and vandals with little chance of being punished.
Yes fully agree. The police should go in on the attack and smash everyone that shows up to protest against mass killings, incase some fringe elements there cause trouble. It's paramount that we.
A. Tar all the protesters with the same brush.
B. Do everything possible to divert attention from our government supporting the mass killings of civilians, women and children.
Saying the above does not make me a far right thug, racist or any other name that gets thrown about, it is purely a statement of my tolerance for violent, racist, and destructive behaviour on the streets of our country.
Good work.
I really don’t understand your statements, I asked for some evidence and you have become personal and hard to understand.
If you can’t provide the information you claim, it might be easier to ignore me or tell me you haven’t got it?
It doesn’t need to be personal or this hard
I haven't claimed anything.
I agreed with you.
Tar all the protesters with the same brush.
Divert all attention from the issue and make the story about the minority of people who might cause trouble.
"
Mmm okay… so what was the remark about the police going in and smashing in everyone’s heads?
I would like to understand your thought process when it comes to law and order, I don’t understand why you paint the police as thugs when they have shown so much patience?
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I don't think so. Just look on here. She really energises their supporters with this kind of rhetoric.
Who has been energised by Braverman's comments, I haven't seen that? I have seen some discussions that follow the usual, soft on law & order and hard on law & order.
Lolz
I personally still think the police are being to soft and it is playing into the fringe elements who are there to cause trouble, and that trouble then flows into the idiots who turn up for a chance to be thugs and vandals with little chance of being punished.
Yes fully agree. The police should go in on the attack and smash everyone that shows up to protest against mass killings, incase some fringe elements there cause trouble. It's paramount that we.
A. Tar all the protesters with the same brush.
B. Do everything possible to divert attention from our government supporting the mass killings of civilians, women and children.
Saying the above does not make me a far right thug, racist or any other name that gets thrown about, it is purely a statement of my tolerance for violent, racist, and destructive behaviour on the streets of our country.
Good work.
I really don’t understand your statements, I asked for some evidence and you have become personal and hard to understand.
If you can’t provide the information you claim, it might be easier to ignore me or tell me you haven’t got it?
It doesn’t need to be personal or this hard
I haven't claimed anything.
I agreed with you.
Tar all the protesters with the same brush.
Divert all attention from the issue and make the story about the minority of people who might cause trouble.
Mmm okay… so what was the remark about the police going in and smashing in everyone’s heads?
I would like to understand your thought process when it comes to law and order, I don’t understand why you paint the police as thugs when they have shown so much patience?
Let’s start there, why do you feel the police are smashing in peoples heads "
Why are you wasting your time?
Oh you're not, you're just making things up.
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"I think Sunak will sack her, might be wrong but she's a loose cannon and he might grow a set and look to offing her with over a year to forget about her before the next election..
I don't think so. Just look on here. She really energises their supporters with this kind of rhetoric.
Who has been energised by Braverman's comments, I haven't seen that? I have seen some discussions that follow the usual, soft on law & order and hard on law & order.
Lolz
I personally still think the police are being to soft and it is playing into the fringe elements who are there to cause trouble, and that trouble then flows into the idiots who turn up for a chance to be thugs and vandals with little chance of being punished.
Yes fully agree. The police should go in on the attack and smash everyone that shows up to protest against mass killings, incase some fringe elements there cause trouble. It's paramount that we.
A. Tar all the protesters with the same brush.
B. Do everything possible to divert attention from our government supporting the mass killings of civilians, women and children.
Saying the above does not make me a far right thug, racist or any other name that gets thrown about, it is purely a statement of my tolerance for violent, racist, and destructive behaviour on the streets of our country.
Good work.
I really don’t understand your statements, I asked for some evidence and you have become personal and hard to understand.
If you can’t provide the information you claim, it might be easier to ignore me or tell me you haven’t got it?
It doesn’t need to be personal or this hard
I haven't claimed anything.
I agreed with you.
Tar all the protesters with the same brush.
Divert all attention from the issue and make the story about the minority of people who might cause trouble.
Mmm okay… so what was the remark about the police going in and smashing in everyone’s heads?
I would like to understand your thought process when it comes to law and order, I don’t understand why you paint the police as thugs when they have shown so much patience?
Let’s start there, why do you feel the police are smashing in peoples heads "
I was just agreeing with you.
"Smashing heads" was for emphasis.
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The protest is apparently being arranged by former Hamas chief Muhammad Kathem Sawalha who is also the founder of the Muslim Association of Britain
This hate preaching Islam terrorist sympathiser lives in London, someone give Mossad his address |
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By *otMe66Man
over a year ago
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"I think Sunak will sack her, might be wrong but she's a loose cannon and he might grow a set and look to offing her with over a year to forget about her before the next election..
I don't think so. Just look on here. She really energises their supporters with this kind of rhetoric.
Who has been energised by Braverman's comments, I haven't seen that? I have seen some discussions that follow the usual, soft on law & order and hard on law & order.
Lolz
I personally still think the police are being to soft and it is playing into the fringe elements who are there to cause trouble, and that trouble then flows into the idiots who turn up for a chance to be thugs and vandals with little chance of being punished.
Yes fully agree. The police should go in on the attack and smash everyone that shows up to protest against mass killings, incase some fringe elements there cause trouble. It's paramount that we.
A. Tar all the protesters with the same brush.
B. Do everything possible to divert attention from our government supporting the mass killings of civilians, women and children.
Saying the above does not make me a far right thug, racist or any other name that gets thrown about, it is purely a statement of my tolerance for violent, racist, and destructive behaviour on the streets of our country.
Good work.
I really don’t understand your statements, I asked for some evidence and you have become personal and hard to understand.
If you can’t provide the information you claim, it might be easier to ignore me or tell me you haven’t got it?
It doesn’t need to be personal or this hard
I haven't claimed anything.
I agreed with you.
Tar all the protesters with the same brush.
Divert all attention from the issue and make the story about the minority of people who might cause trouble.
Mmm okay… so what was the remark about the police going in and smashing in everyone’s heads?
I would like to understand your thought process when it comes to law and order, I don’t understand why you paint the police as thugs when they have shown so much patience?
Let’s start there, why do you feel the police are smashing in peoples heads
I was just agreeing with you.
"Smashing heads" was for emphasis.
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Your thoughts on terrorist supporting chants by the minority in a protest, let them get on with it or deal with it under the laws set out to tackle that behaviour? |
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By *eroy1000Man
over a year ago
milton keynes |
"The protest is apparently being arranged by former Hamas chief Muhammad Kathem Sawalha who is also the founder of the Muslim Association of Britain
This hate preaching Islam terrorist sympathiser lives in London, someone give Mossad his address "
That's a worrying start that such an individual is part of the arrangements. However, is he / his group the only organiser? I ask as there may be lots of far more moderate organisers that most protesters turn up for. Hopefully the peaceful protesters will far out number those seeking trouble and oust them. |
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By *abioMan
over a year ago
Newcastle and Gateshead |
"The protest is apparently being arranged by former Hamas chief Muhammad Kathem Sawalha who is also the founder of the Muslim Association of Britain
This hate preaching Islam terrorist sympathiser lives in London, someone give Mossad his address "
You do know what you are advocating in that last sentence is no better than for example the Russians poisoning people in Salisbury or the poisoning on Russians critics of Putin in London
Cool… suggesting breaking international law… and be really pithy about it |
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"I think Sunak will sack her, might be wrong but she's a loose cannon and he might grow a set and look to offing her with over a year to forget about her before the next election..
I don't think so. Just look on here. She really energises their supporters with this kind of rhetoric.
Who has been energised by Braverman's comments, I haven't seen that? I have seen some discussions that follow the usual, soft on law & order and hard on law & order.
Lolz
I personally still think the police are being to soft and it is playing into the fringe elements who are there to cause trouble, and that trouble then flows into the idiots who turn up for a chance to be thugs and vandals with little chance of being punished.
Yes fully agree. The police should go in on the attack and smash everyone that shows up to protest against mass killings, incase some fringe elements there cause trouble. It's paramount that we.
A. Tar all the protesters with the same brush.
B. Do everything possible to divert attention from our government supporting the mass killings of civilians, women and children.
Saying the above does not make me a far right thug, racist or any other name that gets thrown about, it is purely a statement of my tolerance for violent, racist, and destructive behaviour on the streets of our country.
Good work.
I really don’t understand your statements, I asked for some evidence and you have become personal and hard to understand.
If you can’t provide the information you claim, it might be easier to ignore me or tell me you haven’t got it?
It doesn’t need to be personal or this hard
I haven't claimed anything.
I agreed with you.
Tar all the protesters with the same brush.
Divert all attention from the issue and make the story about the minority of people who might cause trouble.
Mmm okay… so what was the remark about the police going in and smashing in everyone’s heads?
I would like to understand your thought process when it comes to law and order, I don’t understand why you paint the police as thugs when they have shown so much patience?
Let’s start there, why do you feel the police are smashing in peoples heads
I was just agreeing with you.
"Smashing heads" was for emphasis.
Your thoughts on terrorist supporting chants by the minority in a protest, let them get on with it or deal with it under the laws set out to tackle that behaviour?"
My thoughts are that this is a much more important point than 1,000s of civilians being bombed to death in Palestine, and we should rightly focus on a small number of people who may possibly shout those things. |
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By *otMe66Man
over a year ago
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"I think Sunak will sack her, might be wrong but she's a loose cannon and he might grow a set and look to offing her with over a year to forget about her before the next election..
I don't think so. Just look on here. She really energises their supporters with this kind of rhetoric.
Who has been energised by Braverman's comments, I haven't seen that? I have seen some discussions that follow the usual, soft on law & order and hard on law & order.
Lolz
I personally still think the police are being to soft and it is playing into the fringe elements who are there to cause trouble, and that trouble then flows into the idiots who turn up for a chance to be thugs and vandals with little chance of being punished.
Yes fully agree. The police should go in on the attack and smash everyone that shows up to protest against mass killings, incase some fringe elements there cause trouble. It's paramount that we.
A. Tar all the protesters with the same brush.
B. Do everything possible to divert attention from our government supporting the mass killings of civilians, women and children.
Saying the above does not make me a far right thug, racist or any other name that gets thrown about, it is purely a statement of my tolerance for violent, racist, and destructive behaviour on the streets of our country.
Good work.
I really don’t understand your statements, I asked for some evidence and you have become personal and hard to understand.
If you can’t provide the information you claim, it might be easier to ignore me or tell me you haven’t got it?
It doesn’t need to be personal or this hard
I haven't claimed anything.
I agreed with you.
Tar all the protesters with the same brush.
Divert all attention from the issue and make the story about the minority of people who might cause trouble.
Mmm okay… so what was the remark about the police going in and smashing in everyone’s heads?
I would like to understand your thought process when it comes to law and order, I don’t understand why you paint the police as thugs when they have shown so much patience?
Let’s start there, why do you feel the police are smashing in peoples heads
I was just agreeing with you.
"Smashing heads" was for emphasis.
Your thoughts on terrorist supporting chants by the minority in a protest, let them get on with it or deal with it under the laws set out to tackle that behaviour?
My thoughts are that this is a much more important point than 1,000s of civilians being bombed to death in Palestine, and we should rightly focus on a small number of people who may possibly shout those things. "
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By *ugehandsMan
over a year ago
Fife/ Newcastle |
Why aren't people protesting to free the 200 or so Jewish hostages?
If they were to arrange to release them there would at least be an opportunity to prevent further bombing in the short term at least. |
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"The protest is apparently being arranged by former Hamas chief Muhammad Kathem Sawalha who is also the founder of the Muslim Association of Britain
This hate preaching Islam terrorist sympathiser lives in London, someone give Mossad his address
That's a worrying start that such an individual is part of the arrangements. However, is he / his group the only organiser? I ask as there may be lots of far more moderate organisers that most protesters turn up for. Hopefully the peaceful protesters will far out number those seeking trouble and oust them."
He’s also a director of FINSBURY PARK MOSQUE
Annemarie Choudarys buddy and Finsbury Park Mosque preacher Abu Hamza who was found guilty of 11 charges of terrorism. He was given two life sentences and 100 years for nine other counts of terrorism, with no possibility of parole. |
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By *otMe66Man
over a year ago
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"Why aren't people protesting to free the 200 or so Jewish hostages?
If they were to arrange to release them there would at least be an opportunity to prevent further bombing in the short term at least. "
intimidation, posters of Israeli hostages being pulled down by thugs is at a surface level.... |
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over a year ago
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Islam is showing it's true colours, a few weeks ago they were waving flags and handing out sweets celebrating their terrorist attack. Now they are being hit back and they don't like it. |
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"Islam is showing it's true colours, a few weeks ago they were waving flags and handing out sweets celebrating their terrorist attack. Now they are being hit back and they don't like it. "
And now they’ve attracted tens of thousands to peacefully protest for them on saturday, while the organisers are clearly linked to Hamas and other Islam hate preachers in uk, behind other attacks 7/7, London Bridge, Manchester etc |
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By *eroy1000Man
over a year ago
milton keynes |
"The protest is apparently being arranged by former Hamas chief Muhammad Kathem Sawalha who is also the founder of the Muslim Association of Britain
This hate preaching Islam terrorist sympathiser lives in London, someone give Mossad his address
That's a worrying start that such an individual is part of the arrangements. However, is he / his group the only organiser? I ask as there may be lots of far more moderate organisers that most protesters turn up for. Hopefully the peaceful protesters will far out number those seeking trouble and oust them.
He’s also a director of FINSBURY PARK MOSQUE
Annemarie Choudarys buddy and Finsbury Park Mosque preacher Abu Hamza who was found guilty of 11 charges of terrorism. He was given two life sentences and 100 years for nine other counts of terrorism, with no possibility of parole."
I've definitely heard those other 2 names before. They are vile creatures and no stranger to violence. What I was saying though is that if as we are told the vast majority on the march are peaceful protesters, then the police should be able to arrest trouble makers without fear from the crowd |
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"Islam is showing it's true colours, a few weeks ago they were waving flags and handing out sweets celebrating their terrorist attack. Now they are being hit back and they don't like it. "
Islam is a religion.
Bold claim to suggest that a religion can wave flags. That sounds more like something humans do. |
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"Why aren't people protesting to free the 200 or so Jewish hostages?
If they were to arrange to release them there would at least be an opportunity to prevent further bombing in the short term at least.
intimidation, posters of Israeli hostages being pulled down by thugs is at a surface level.... "
Should the police go in as hard on people protesting to release the hostages? If they do protest. |
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By *otMe66Man
over a year ago
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"The protest is apparently being arranged by former Hamas chief Muhammad Kathem Sawalha who is also the founder of the Muslim Association of Britain
This hate preaching Islam terrorist sympathiser lives in London, someone give Mossad his address
That's a worrying start that such an individual is part of the arrangements. However, is he / his group the only organiser? I ask as there may be lots of far more moderate organisers that most protesters turn up for. Hopefully the peaceful protesters will far out number those seeking trouble and oust them.
He’s also a director of FINSBURY PARK MOSQUE
Annemarie Choudarys buddy and Finsbury Park Mosque preacher Abu Hamza who was found guilty of 11 charges of terrorism. He was given two life sentences and 100 years for nine other counts of terrorism, with no possibility of parole.
I've definitely heard those other 2 names before. They are vile creatures and no stranger to violence. What I was saying though is that if as we are told the vast majority on the march are peaceful protesters, then the police should be able to arrest trouble makers without fear from the crowd"
You would like to think so, but we know that isn't the case. There are too many volatile people at these protests making it virtually un policed other than be there as a presence.
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By *otMe66Man
over a year ago
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"Why aren't people protesting to free the 200 or so Jewish hostages?
If they were to arrange to release them there would at least be an opportunity to prevent further bombing in the short term at least.
intimidation, posters of Israeli hostages being pulled down by thugs is at a surface level....
Should the police go in as hard on people protesting to release the hostages? If they do protest. "
I'm not sure why you keep posting random, out of context comments about the police... |
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"Why aren't people protesting to free the 200 or so Jewish hostages?
If they were to arrange to release them there would at least be an opportunity to prevent further bombing in the short term at least.
intimidation, posters of Israeli hostages being pulled down by thugs is at a surface level....
Should the police go in as hard on people protesting to release the hostages? If they do protest.
I'm not sure why you keep posting random, out of context comments about the police..."
This was a question, not a comment.
I was just trying to get to the bottom of your attitude on policing protests. You often speak out against people protesting against environmental issues, and now people protesting against war in Gaza. I wondered if you had the same opinion about people protesting for the release of hostages. |
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By *melie LAL OP Woman
over a year ago
Peterborough |
"Why aren't people protesting to free the 200 or so Jewish hostages?
If they were to arrange to release them there would at least be an opportunity to prevent further bombing in the short term at least.
intimidation, posters of Israeli hostages being pulled down by thugs is at a surface level....
Should the police go in as hard on people protesting to release the hostages? If they do protest.
I'm not sure why you keep posting random, out of context comments about the police..."
I can see his thought processes and I have a brain injury. His communication methods are rather transparent (but then I'm a sarcastic bugger too  ).
It's definitely not out of context, he's simply asking if the other side protest, will they get the same heavy handed approach that SEEMS to be advocated for in the thread towards the pro-palestinian demonstrators. |
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By *otMe66Man
over a year ago
Terra Firma |
"Why aren't people protesting to free the 200 or so Jewish hostages?
If they were to arrange to release them there would at least be an opportunity to prevent further bombing in the short term at least.
intimidation, posters of Israeli hostages being pulled down by thugs is at a surface level....
Should the police go in as hard on people protesting to release the hostages? If they do protest.
I'm not sure why you keep posting random, out of context comments about the police...
I can see his thought processes and I have a brain injury. His communication methods are rather transparent (but then I'm a sarcastic bugger too ).
It's definitely not out of context, he's simply asking if the other side protest, will they get the same heavy handed approach that SEEMS to be advocated for in the thread towards the pro-palestinian demonstrators."
Point me in the direction of any heavy handed police action, asked for or given out.
People are asking the police to protect monuments, prevent terrorist support being chanted, death threats being shouted out terrorist flags being paraded around and to stop criminal activity.
Nobody, not one person has said the protest should not happen, it needs better policing and people protesting for a ceasefire, or Palestine lands can go about their protest peacefully. |
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"Why aren't people protesting to free the 200 or so Jewish hostages?
If they were to arrange to release them there would at least be an opportunity to prevent further bombing in the short term at least.
intimidation, posters of Israeli hostages being pulled down by thugs is at a surface level....
Should the police go in as hard on people protesting to release the hostages? If they do protest.
I'm not sure why you keep posting random, out of context comments about the police...
I can see his thought processes and I have a brain injury. His communication methods are rather transparent (but then I'm a sarcastic bugger too ).
It's definitely not out of context, he's simply asking if the other side protest, will they get the same heavy handed approach that SEEMS to be advocated for in the thread towards the pro-palestinian demonstrators.
Point me in the direction of any heavy handed police action, asked for or given out.
People are asking the police to protect monuments, prevent terrorist support being chanted, death threats being shouted out terrorist flags being paraded around and to stop criminal activity.
Nobody, not one person has said the protest should not happen, it needs better policing and people protesting for a ceasefire, or Palestine lands can go about their protest peacefully. "
.... And what about if people want to protest for the release of hostages?
Should the same rhetoric and attitude be applied to them? Bearing in mind you had as much vitriol for people protesting for environmental reasons as you do for those protesting against the war in Gaza.
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By *otMe66Man
over a year ago
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"Why aren't people protesting to free the 200 or so Jewish hostages?
If they were to arrange to release them there would at least be an opportunity to prevent further bombing in the short term at least.
intimidation, posters of Israeli hostages being pulled down by thugs is at a surface level....
Should the police go in as hard on people protesting to release the hostages? If they do protest.
I'm not sure why you keep posting random, out of context comments about the police...
I can see his thought processes and I have a brain injury. His communication methods are rather transparent (but then I'm a sarcastic bugger too ).
It's definitely not out of context, he's simply asking if the other side protest, will they get the same heavy handed approach that SEEMS to be advocated for in the thread towards the pro-palestinian demonstrators.
Point me in the direction of any heavy handed police action, asked for or given out.
People are asking the police to protect monuments, prevent terrorist support being chanted, death threats being shouted out terrorist flags being paraded around and to stop criminal activity.
Nobody, not one person has said the protest should not happen, it needs better policing and people protesting for a ceasefire, or Palestine lands can go about their protest peacefully.
.... And what about if people want to protest for the release of hostages?
Should the same rhetoric and attitude be applied to them? Bearing in mind you had as much vitriol for people protesting for environmental reasons as you do for those protesting against the war in Gaza.
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You are finding it hard to separate legal and illegal actions, if it is illegal it should not be allowed to go unchecked, if it is legal carry on.
As for your question, exactly the same policing, why would it be any different?
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"Why aren't people protesting to free the 200 or so Jewish hostages?
If they were to arrange to release them there would at least be an opportunity to prevent further bombing in the short term at least.
intimidation, posters of Israeli hostages being pulled down by thugs is at a surface level....
Should the police go in as hard on people protesting to release the hostages? If they do protest.
I'm not sure why you keep posting random, out of context comments about the police...
I can see his thought processes and I have a brain injury. His communication methods are rather transparent (but then I'm a sarcastic bugger too ).
It's definitely not out of context, he's simply asking if the other side protest, will they get the same heavy handed approach that SEEMS to be advocated for in the thread towards the pro-palestinian demonstrators.
Point me in the direction of any heavy handed police action, asked for or given out.
People are asking the police to protect monuments, prevent terrorist support being chanted, death threats being shouted out terrorist flags being paraded around and to stop criminal activity.
Nobody, not one person has said the protest should not happen, it needs better policing and people protesting for a ceasefire, or Palestine lands can go about their protest peacefully.
.... And what about if people want to protest for the release of hostages?
Should the same rhetoric and attitude be applied to them? Bearing in mind you had as much vitriol for people protesting for environmental reasons as you do for those protesting against the war in Gaza.
You are finding it hard to separate legal and illegal actions, if it is illegal it should not be allowed to go unchecked, if it is legal carry on.
As for your question, exactly the same policing, why would it be any different?
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That's what I'm trying to get to the bottom of. If the subject matter for the protest plays a part for you. Or not. |
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"Why aren't people protesting to free the 200 or so Jewish hostages?
If they were to arrange to release them there would at least be an opportunity to prevent further bombing in the short term at least.
intimidation, posters of Israeli hostages being pulled down by thugs is at a surface level....
Should the police go in as hard on people protesting to release the hostages? If they do protest.
I'm not sure why you keep posting random, out of context comments about the police...
I can see his thought processes and I have a brain injury. His communication methods are rather transparent (but then I'm a sarcastic bugger too ).
It's definitely not out of context, he's simply asking if the other side protest, will they get the same heavy handed approach that SEEMS to be advocated for in the thread towards the pro-palestinian demonstrators.
Point me in the direction of any heavy handed police action, asked for or given out.
People are asking the police to protect monuments, prevent terrorist support being chanted, death threats being shouted out terrorist flags being paraded around and to stop criminal activity.
Nobody, not one person has said the protest should not happen, it needs better policing and people protesting for a ceasefire, or Palestine lands can go about their protest peacefully. "
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By *otMe66Man
over a year ago
Terra Firma |
"Why aren't people protesting to free the 200 or so Jewish hostages?
If they were to arrange to release them there would at least be an opportunity to prevent further bombing in the short term at least.
intimidation, posters of Israeli hostages being pulled down by thugs is at a surface level....
Should the police go in as hard on people protesting to release the hostages? If they do protest.
I'm not sure why you keep posting random, out of context comments about the police...
I can see his thought processes and I have a brain injury. His communication methods are rather transparent (but then I'm a sarcastic bugger too ).
It's definitely not out of context, he's simply asking if the other side protest, will they get the same heavy handed approach that SEEMS to be advocated for in the thread towards the pro-palestinian demonstrators.
Point me in the direction of any heavy handed police action, asked for or given out.
People are asking the police to protect monuments, prevent terrorist support being chanted, death threats being shouted out terrorist flags being paraded around and to stop criminal activity.
Nobody, not one person has said the protest should not happen, it needs better policing and people protesting for a ceasefire, or Palestine lands can go about their protest peacefully. so is fab in agreement the protest should happen then ? "
What do you think? Has anyone said it shouldn’t go ahead? |
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"Why aren't people protesting to free the 200 or so Jewish hostages?
If they were to arrange to release them there would at least be an opportunity to prevent further bombing in the short term at least.
intimidation, posters of Israeli hostages being pulled down by thugs is at a surface level....
Should the police go in as hard on people protesting to release the hostages? If they do protest.
I'm not sure why you keep posting random, out of context comments about the police...
I can see his thought processes and I have a brain injury. His communication methods are rather transparent (but then I'm a sarcastic bugger too ).
It's definitely not out of context, he's simply asking if the other side protest, will they get the same heavy handed approach that SEEMS to be advocated for in the thread towards the pro-palestinian demonstrators.
Point me in the direction of any heavy handed police action, asked for or given out.
People are asking the police to protect monuments, prevent terrorist support being chanted, death threats being shouted out terrorist flags being paraded around and to stop criminal activity.
Nobody, not one person has said the protest should not happen, it needs better policing and people protesting for a ceasefire, or Palestine lands can go about their protest peacefully. so is fab in agreement the protest should happen then ?
What do you think? Has anyone said it shouldn’t go ahead? "
isn't the whole issue with Tory v met that the met havet looked to the home office to get it stopped. |
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By *otMe66Man
over a year ago
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"Why aren't people protesting to free the 200 or so Jewish hostages?
If they were to arrange to release them there would at least be an opportunity to prevent further bombing in the short term at least.
intimidation, posters of Israeli hostages being pulled down by thugs is at a surface level....
Should the police go in as hard on people protesting to release the hostages? If they do protest.
I'm not sure why you keep posting random, out of context comments about the police...
I can see his thought processes and I have a brain injury. His communication methods are rather transparent (but then I'm a sarcastic bugger too ).
It's definitely not out of context, he's simply asking if the other side protest, will they get the same heavy handed approach that SEEMS to be advocated for in the thread towards the pro-palestinian demonstrators.
Point me in the direction of any heavy handed police action, asked for or given out.
People are asking the police to protect monuments, prevent terrorist support being chanted, death threats being shouted out terrorist flags being paraded around and to stop criminal activity.
Nobody, not one person has said the protest should not happen, it needs better policing and people protesting for a ceasefire, or Palestine lands can go about their protest peacefully. so is fab in agreement the protest should happen then ?
What do you think? Has anyone said it shouldn’t go ahead? isn't the whole issue with Tory v met that the met havet looked to the home office to get it stopped. "
There has been no request to the met to stop it, some hard talking from Braverman on how she sees the police not dealing with crime when it happens. Sunak wanted assurances that the protest would not interrupt remembrance services.
There is nothing to worry about the route or the march, simply those who intend to make the protest about supporting terrorists and calling for genocide are dealt with according to the laws of the country.
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"Why aren't people protesting to free the 200 or so Jewish hostages?
If they were to arrange to release them there would at least be an opportunity to prevent further bombing in the short term at least.
intimidation, posters of Israeli hostages being pulled down by thugs is at a surface level....
Should the police go in as hard on people protesting to release the hostages? If they do protest.
I'm not sure why you keep posting random, out of context comments about the police...
I can see his thought processes and I have a brain injury. His communication methods are rather transparent (but then I'm a sarcastic bugger too ).
It's definitely not out of context, he's simply asking if the other side protest, will they get the same heavy handed approach that SEEMS to be advocated for in the thread towards the pro-palestinian demonstrators.
Point me in the direction of any heavy handed police action, asked for or given out.
People are asking the police to protect monuments, prevent terrorist support being chanted, death threats being shouted out terrorist flags being paraded around and to stop criminal activity.
Nobody, not one person has said the protest should not happen, it needs better policing and people protesting for a ceasefire, or Palestine lands can go about their protest peacefully. so is fab in agreement the protest should happen then ?
What do you think? Has anyone said it shouldn’t go ahead? isn't the whole issue with Tory v met that the met havet looked to the home office to get it stopped.
There has been no request to the met to stop it, some hard talking from Braverman on how she sees the police not dealing with crime when it happens. Sunak wanted assurances that the protest would not interrupt remembrance services.
There is nothing to worry about the route or the march, simply those who intend to make the protest about supporting terrorists and calling for genocide are dealt with according to the laws of the country.
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braverman tweeted "I have full confidence in the Metropolitan Police to ensure public safety and take all factors into account as they have done in similar situations in the past. 2/2" while providing a link to https://www.gov.uk/government/news/home-secretary-agrees-march-ban
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By *eroy1000Man
over a year ago
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"Why aren't people protesting to free the 200 or so Jewish hostages?
If they were to arrange to release them there would at least be an opportunity to prevent further bombing in the short term at least.
intimidation, posters of Israeli hostages being pulled down by thugs is at a surface level....
Should the police go in as hard on people protesting to release the hostages? If they do protest.
I'm not sure why you keep posting random, out of context comments about the police...
I can see his thought processes and I have a brain injury. His communication methods are rather transparent (but then I'm a sarcastic bugger too ).
It's definitely not out of context, he's simply asking if the other side protest, will they get the same heavy handed approach that SEEMS to be advocated for in the thread towards the pro-palestinian demonstrators.
Point me in the direction of any heavy handed police action, asked for or given out.
People are asking the police to protect monuments, prevent terrorist support being chanted, death threats being shouted out terrorist flags being paraded around and to stop criminal activity.
Nobody, not one person has said the protest should not happen, it needs better policing and people protesting for a ceasefire, or Palestine lands can go about their protest peacefully.
.... And what about if people want to protest for the release of hostages?
Should the same rhetoric and attitude be applied to them? Bearing in mind you had as much vitriol for people protesting for environmental reasons as you do for those protesting against the war in Gaza.
You are finding it hard to separate legal and illegal actions, if it is illegal it should not be allowed to go unchecked, if it is legal carry on.
As for your question, exactly the same policing, why would it be any different?
That's what I'm trying to get to the bottom of. If the subject matter for the protest plays a part for you. Or not."
I think protests should all be dealt with in the same way regardless of size and reason for protesting. It should be about up holding the law. Also the police should treat both sides the same way. So if they are strict with one group then they should be strict with another group. If lenient with one group then they should be equally lenient with the others |
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Just watched footage of these protesters putting there flags over The Bomber Command memorial in green park, London. Quite ironic given that if it were not these brave men giving there lives in the second world war then it is likely that these protesters ancestors would have ended their days in a concentration camp gas chamber! How far this country has fallen! |
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"Just watched footage of these protesters putting there flags over The Bomber Command memorial in green park, London. Quite ironic given that if it were not these brave men giving there lives in the second world war then it is likely that these protesters ancestors would have ended their days in a concentration camp gas chamber! How far this country has fallen!"
Hopefully they'll get removed pronto, and if those who did this are still about they get nicked if appropriate..
Btw, brave men and women of all colours, faiths etc from the commonwealth and other countries also fought against fascism in those times.. |
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By *eroy1000Man
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"Just watched footage of these protesters putting there flags over The Bomber Command memorial in green park, London. Quite ironic given that if it were not these brave men giving there lives in the second world war then it is likely that these protesters ancestors would have ended their days in a concentration camp gas chamber! How far this country has fallen!"
A few days ago the cenotaph in Manchester was defaced with a free Palestine graffiti. It's acts like these that loose public support for their cause and they are not isolated incidents. It seems even worse in Europe with the Jewish community in Germany having particular trouble. |
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"Just watched footage of these protesters putting there flags over The Bomber Command memorial in green park, London. Quite ironic given that if it were not these brave men giving there lives in the second world war then it is likely that these protesters ancestors would have ended their days in a concentration camp gas chamber! How far this country has fallen!"
Do you have a link to this please? |
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By *mmmMaybeCouple
over a year ago
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"Just watched footage of these protesters putting there flags over The Bomber Command memorial in green park, London. Quite ironic given that if it were not these brave men giving there lives in the second world war then it is likely that these protesters ancestors would have ended their days in a concentration camp gas chamber! How far this country has fallen!"
But then in the last twenty years we’ve had Churchill’s statue defaced, Bomber Harris’s defaced, From memory the Albert Memorial damaged, A famous musicians son pissing on a war monument, statues pulled down etc.etc.
And likely not a Palestinian amongst the rabble that did all that so I feel a broader perspective is required.
“Anarchistic, disillusioned angry young” is a state of mind type thing, not a race or religion. Anyone is capable of it as has been shown in the past.
If it is as big as they say & 200,000 plus turn up 0.5% of them are trouble making tossers it would be a low % but that’s still 1,000 trouble makers for the police to deal with.
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Seems the Police are going in on the protesters in China town.
Po po got their riot gear on to deal with the far right.
Be interesting to see how they deal with the other March later if there is similar trouble.
Let’s hope for no trouble at all. |
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"So i see mr yaxley lennons mates have been fighting with the police, while a bit further up the road the march suella and richy rich wanted banning seems to be going on with no trouble "
They've fomented unrest at what is a time for respect, remembrance and peaceful goals  |
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By *eroy1000Man
over a year ago
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"Seems the Police are going in on the protesters in China town.
Po po got their riot gear on to deal with the far right.
Be interesting to see how they deal with the other March later if there is similar trouble.
Let’s hope for no trouble at all. "
If those in China town are breaking the law, which it sounds like they are then the police should arrest them. The same treatment should be done for anyone else, regardless of how many there are otherwise it shows suella was right and that would be the worst outcome for everyone. Hopefully that is the end to the trouble |
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By *mmmMaybeCouple
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"Seems the Police are going in on the protesters in China town.
Po po got their riot gear on to deal with the far right.
Be interesting to see how they deal with the other March later if there is similar trouble.
Let’s hope for no trouble at all.
If those in China town are breaking the law, which it sounds like they are then the police should arrest them. The same treatment should be done for anyone else, regardless of how many there are otherwise it shows suella was right and that would be the worst outcome for everyone. Hopefully that is the end to the trouble"
Well so far so good by the looks of it, eighty odd arrests all from the right. If there isn’t any trouble I think Braverman should resign tomorrow for spreading the hatred & racism herself.
Early days yet though.
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