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"Every one is entitled to protest but given the date that they want and the concerns around the cenotaph I'd allow it but in a different area out of the way."  | |||
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"Every one is entitled to protest but given the date that they want and the concerns around the cenotaph I'd allow it but in a different area out of the way." Yeah that’s the best way to deal with it. | |||
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"Every one is entitled to protest but given the date that they want and the concerns around the cenotaph I'd allow it but in a different area out of the way." This.. Their protests whatever people think are nothing to do with the actual event regardless of the pathetic attempts by the current Government to link them.. | |||
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"Be interested to hear people's thoughts? My personal view is, whilst I support free speech and the right to protest against injustice or against something that people feel strongly about. I personally think the timing is very poor and they are being disrespectful, obviously someone is being very smart and they are going to gain maximum attention, but it's going to attract the wrong people sort of attention. " You have a right to free speech as long as it doesn't interfere with pre organised proceedings. Arrest every one who decides to illegally protest. Throw book at then. | |||
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"But I think they are being very divisive on purpose knowing full well it will cause outrage and attract possible violence against it. " To be honest if as I sincerely hope the powers that be get a grip and move their protest well away from central London, then if anybody decides to go to it to be violent then they should be dealt with by the police as should anyone at the protest who kicks off.. | |||
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"Every one is entitled to protest but given the date that they want and the concerns around the cenotaph I'd allow it but in a different area out of the way." This is a sensible approach | |||
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"If these people don't get the sensitivity of Remembrance Day, and the baggage it carries, they are not true Brits imho and deserve no voice. If the go ahead, the likely consequence will be hardening of support for Israel." In fairness, someone who thinks that standing up for what you believe in makes you not a true brit if you choose to do it on a certain day, is not really their target audience. | |||
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"If these people don't get the sensitivity of Remembrance Day, and the baggage it carries, they are not true Brits imho and deserve no voice. If the go ahead, the likely consequence will be hardening of support for Israel." It’s ok to understand the weight of Remembrance Day and also respectably protest on the same day. | |||
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"If these people don't get the sensitivity of Remembrance Day, and the baggage it carries, they are not true Brits imho and deserve no voice. If the go ahead, the likely consequence will be hardening of support for Israel. It’s ok to understand the weight of Remembrance Day and also respectably protest on the same day. " Well I guess that's a matter of opinion. Personally I believe that by choosing this of all days, they are being disrespectful and insulting. | |||
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"Should be banned on Remembrance Sunday. There are pictures in the news today of pro Palestinian demonstrators surrounding poppy sellers in what appears to be an intimidating way. That is also being deliberately provocative." Maybe as well as banning protests, we could ban all forms of expressing dissent? | |||
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"Should be banned on Remembrance Sunday. There are pictures in the news today of pro Palestinian demonstrators surrounding poppy sellers in what appears to be an intimidating way. That is also being deliberately provocative. Maybe as well as banning protests, we could ban all forms of expressing dissent? " No, free speech is important however being deliberately obnoxious and provocative on days of solemn reflection is not acceptable. Any other day, it is fine provided hate speech is omitted. | |||
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"I think the title of this thread is a little misleading ,, as far as I am aware there is no demonstration planned for Sunday " Exactly...it's a prime example of people reading a headline and not the story *facepalm* | |||
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"I don't think it matters what day it is, it's mind blowing enough that people have to protest to march against mass genocide. I'd be willing to bet my left bollock that anyone who thinks they shouldn't march on rememberance day, to imagine if it was them, their family and their young kids getting shelled in gaza right now and they would soon change their tune." you'd like to think that goes without saying, but then again nothing surprises me anymore.  | |||
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"For me, rememberance day is remembering the fallen who have their lives regardless if they believed in the government, or the cause, or even the 'legaility' of the war (eg gulf). It's not about the wars themselves. " It will mean slightly different things to different people I suspect. I choose to remember all war dead, regardless of nation or creed. Young men fighting and dying in politicians wars is always a tragedy. | |||
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"I don't think it matters what day it is, it's mind blowing enough that people have to protest to march against mass genocide. I'd be willing to bet my left bollock that anyone who thinks they shouldn't march on rememberance day, to imagine if it was them, their family and their young kids getting shelled in gaza right now and they would soon change their tune. you'd like to think that goes without saying, but then again nothing surprises me anymore. "Not surprising at all. There was a chap on here the other day openly calling for Palestinians to be ethnically cleansed. | |||
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" If the Pro Hamas marchers want to march, they will do so. The police won’t have the guts or capability to do anything to stop it. " Is showing support for Palestine the same as being pro-hamas, in your opinion? | |||
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"I am sure that they will go ahead with their "protest". In doing so, they will show the British public exactly what they're really marching for and turn the tide of sympathy against them. Good and decent people are waking up to the realisation that many of these "protestors" real cause is their support for the destruction of the Jewish people and Israel. If they truly want the violence to stop, they should be protesting against Hamas for continuing to hold the hostages. As has been shown by Israel's retaliation, holding the hostages gains them nothing. Releasing them, unharmed, will pave the way for talks of a ceasefire." A lot of the protestors that I have seen and the ones chanting hate, ripping down posters and screaming in peoples faces are mainly young women / girls... Not a clue other than they are on a social media trend. The male contingent seem to be getting deeper and deeper into mimicking the look of a terrorist, and I have a feeling it wont be long before one of them do something as evil as Hamas to be the man. | |||
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"I am sure that they will go ahead with their "protest". In doing so, they will show the British public exactly what they're really marching for and turn the tide of sympathy against them. Good and decent people are waking up to the realisation that many of these "protestors" real cause is their support for the destruction of the Jewish people and Israel. If they truly want the violence to stop, they should be protesting against Hamas for continuing to hold the hostages. As has been shown by Israel's retaliation, holding the hostages gains them nothing. Releasing them, unharmed, will pave the way for talks of a ceasefire." Maybe we should remove the right to express any form of dissent, especially people who oppose the mass killings of civilians, women and children? | |||
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"I am sure that they will go ahead with their "protest". In doing so, they will show the British public exactly what they're really marching for and turn the tide of sympathy against them. Good and decent people are waking up to the realisation that many of these "protestors" real cause is their support for the destruction of the Jewish people and Israel. If they truly want the violence to stop, they should be protesting against Hamas for continuing to hold the hostages. As has been shown by Israel's retaliation, holding the hostages gains them nothing. Releasing them, unharmed, will pave the way for talks of a ceasefire. A lot of the protestors that I have seen and the ones chanting hate, ripping down posters and screaming in peoples faces are mainly young women / girls... Not a clue other than they are on a social media trend. The male contingent seem to be getting deeper and deeper into mimicking the look of a terrorist, and I have a feeling it wont be long before one of them do something as evil as Hamas to be the man." I agree. There is an old Jewish fable. An oryx and a scorpion are trying to escape a flood on the banks of the river Jordan. The oryx is preparing to swim across to escape, when the scorpion asks "I cannot swim, will you save me by carrying me across to safety?" The oryx says "but if I do that, you may sting me and I will die". The scorpion replies "if I do that, we will both die" The oryx sees the sense of this and agrees to carry the scorpion. Halfway across, the scorpion stings the oryx. "Why did you do that, now we both will die?", says the oryx as the poison fills his veins. The reply was "I am a scorpion, it's in my nature". | |||
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"I am sure that they will go ahead with their "protest". In doing so, they will show the British public exactly what they're really marching for and turn the tide of sympathy against them. Good and decent people are waking up to the realisation that many of these "protestors" real cause is their support for the destruction of the Jewish people and Israel. If they truly want the violence to stop, they should be protesting against Hamas for continuing to hold the hostages. As has been shown by Israel's retaliation, holding the hostages gains them nothing. Releasing them, unharmed, will pave the way for talks of a ceasefire. A lot of the protestors that I have seen and the ones chanting hate, ripping down posters and screaming in peoples faces are mainly young women / girls... Not a clue other than they are on a social media trend. The male contingent seem to be getting deeper and deeper into mimicking the look of a terrorist, and I have a feeling it wont be long before one of them do something as evil as Hamas to be the man. I agree. There is an old Jewish fable. An oryx and a scorpion are trying to escape a flood on the banks of the river Jordan. The oryx is preparing to swim across to escape, when the scorpion asks "I cannot swim, will you save me by carrying me across to safety?" The oryx says "but if I do that, you may sting me and I will die". The scorpion replies "if I do that, we will both die" The oryx sees the sense of this and agrees to carry the scorpion. Halfway across, the scorpion stings the oryx. "Why did you do that, now we both will die?", says the oryx as the poison fills his veins. The reply was "I am a scorpion, it's in my nature"." Did the Oryx then go on and kill all the scorpions it could find in revenge? | |||
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"I am sure that they will go ahead with their "protest". In doing so, they will show the British public exactly what they're really marching for and turn the tide of sympathy against them. Good and decent people are waking up to the realisation that many of these "protestors" real cause is their support for the destruction of the Jewish people and Israel. If they truly want the violence to stop, they should be protesting against Hamas for continuing to hold the hostages. As has been shown by Israel's retaliation, holding the hostages gains them nothing. Releasing them, unharmed, will pave the way for talks of a ceasefire. A lot of the protestors that I have seen and the ones chanting hate, ripping down posters and screaming in peoples faces are mainly young women / girls... Not a clue other than they are on a social media trend. The male contingent seem to be getting deeper and deeper into mimicking the look of a terrorist, and I have a feeling it wont be long before one of them do something as evil as Hamas to be the man. I agree. There is an old Jewish fable. An oryx and a scorpion are trying to escape a flood on the banks of the river Jordan. The oryx is preparing to swim across to escape, when the scorpion asks "I cannot swim, will you save me by carrying me across to safety?" The oryx says "but if I do that, you may sting me and I will die". The scorpion replies "if I do that, we will both die" The oryx sees the sense of this and agrees to carry the scorpion. Halfway across, the scorpion stings the oryx. "Why did you do that, now we both will die?", says the oryx as the poison fills his veins. The reply was "I am a scorpion, it's in my nature". Did the Oryx then go on and kill all the scorpions it could find in revenge?" Understandably, the point of the parable has flown way above your head. Both the oryx and the scorpion died because of the violent nature of the scorpion. All Hamas have to do is to transcend their violent nature and release the innocent children, women and men they brutally took hostage, and Israel will agree to talks of a ceasefire. A ceasefire which Hamas will undoubtedly break, like they did the last time, and the time before that, and the time before that, and the time before that ad infinitum. Do you really believe that it's too much to ask that the hostages be released for the violence to stop? | |||
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"I am sure that they will go ahead with their "protest". In doing so, they will show the British public exactly what they're really marching for and turn the tide of sympathy against them. Good and decent people are waking up to the realisation that many of these "protestors" real cause is their support for the destruction of the Jewish people and Israel. If they truly want the violence to stop, they should be protesting against Hamas for continuing to hold the hostages. As has been shown by Israel's retaliation, holding the hostages gains them nothing. Releasing them, unharmed, will pave the way for talks of a ceasefire. A lot of the protestors that I have seen and the ones chanting hate, ripping down posters and screaming in peoples faces are mainly young women / girls... Not a clue other than they are on a social media trend. The male contingent seem to be getting deeper and deeper into mimicking the look of a terrorist, and I have a feeling it wont be long before one of them do something as evil as Hamas to be the man. I agree. There is an old Jewish fable. An oryx and a scorpion are trying to escape a flood on the banks of the river Jordan. The oryx is preparing to swim across to escape, when the scorpion asks "I cannot swim, will you save me by carrying me across to safety?" The oryx says "but if I do that, you may sting me and I will die". The scorpion replies "if I do that, we will both die" The oryx sees the sense of this and agrees to carry the scorpion. Halfway across, the scorpion stings the oryx. "Why did you do that, now we both will die?", says the oryx as the poison fills his veins. The reply was "I am a scorpion, it's in my nature". Did the Oryx then go on and kill all the scorpions it could find in revenge? Understandably, the point of the parable has flown way above your head. Both the oryx and the scorpion died because of the violent nature of the scorpion. All Hamas have to do is to transcend their violent nature and release the innocent children, women and men they brutally took hostage, and Israel will agree to talks of a ceasefire. A ceasefire which Hamas will undoubtedly break, like they did the last time, and the time before that, and the time before that, and the time before that ad infinitum. Do you really believe that it's too much to ask that the hostages be released for the violence to stop?" Nothing went above my head, it’s a very simple fable, told across many differing religions and societies, with minor differences. I think both sides have a role to play in ceasefire talks and both sides should engage willingly. It’s not a ‘you first’ situation. It’s clear from your stance and from your banner that it pointless engaging with you on the topic. You seem like another who believes Israel can do no wrong, no matter how many innocents die, so I’ll bow out. And it’s far more likely that you missed the point of my response, which was quite apt, given the events in Gaza. | |||
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"I am sure that they will go ahead with their "protest". In doing so, they will show the British public exactly what they're really marching for and turn the tide of sympathy against them. Good and decent people are waking up to the realisation that many of these "protestors" real cause is their support for the destruction of the Jewish people and Israel. If they truly want the violence to stop, they should be protesting against Hamas for continuing to hold the hostages. As has been shown by Israel's retaliation, holding the hostages gains them nothing. Releasing them, unharmed, will pave the way for talks of a ceasefire. A lot of the protestors that I have seen and the ones chanting hate, ripping down posters and screaming in peoples faces are mainly young women / girls... Not a clue other than they are on a social media trend. The male contingent seem to be getting deeper and deeper into mimicking the look of a terrorist, and I have a feeling it wont be long before one of them do something as evil as Hamas to be the man. I agree. There is an old Jewish fable. An oryx and a scorpion are trying to escape a flood on the banks of the river Jordan. The oryx is preparing to swim across to escape, when the scorpion asks "I cannot swim, will you save me by carrying me across to safety?" The oryx says "but if I do that, you may sting me and I will die". The scorpion replies "if I do that, we will both die" The oryx sees the sense of this and agrees to carry the scorpion. Halfway across, the scorpion stings the oryx. "Why did you do that, now we both will die?", says the oryx as the poison fills his veins. The reply was "I am a scorpion, it's in my nature". Did the Oryx then go on and kill all the scorpions it could find in revenge? Understandably, the point of the parable has flown way above your head. Both the oryx and the scorpion died because of the violent nature of the scorpion. All Hamas have to do is to transcend their violent nature and release the innocent children, women and men they brutally took hostage, and Israel will agree to talks of a ceasefire. A ceasefire which Hamas will undoubtedly break, like they did the last time, and the time before that, and the time before that, and the time before that ad infinitum. Do you really believe that it's too much to ask that the hostages be released for the violence to stop? Nothing went above my head, it’s a very simple fable, told across many differing religions and societies, with minor differences. I think both sides have a role to play in ceasefire talks and both sides should engage willingly. It’s not a ‘you first’ situation. It’s clear from your stance and from your banner that it pointless engaging with you on the topic. You seem like another who believes Israel can do no wrong, no matter how many innocents die, so I’ll bow out. And it’s far more likely that you missed the point of my response, which was quite apt, given the events in Gaza." This response is wrong on many levels… a person who is in support of Israel is pointless to engage? Who said Israel can do no wrong, you, nobody else. | |||
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"Be interested to hear people's thoughts? My personal view is, whilst I support free speech and the right to protest against injustice or against something that people feel strongly about. I personally think the timing is very poor and they are being disrespectful, obviously someone is being very smart and they are going to gain maximum attention, but it's going to attract the wrong people sort of attention. " The organisers have said the demonstration has always planned to be on Saturday and not Sunday and was always planned to be away from Whitehall to avoid conflicting with Remembrance Day preparations. That said, I bet there are bound to be some people who will look to rogue for a bit of publicity. | |||
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"I am sure that they will go ahead with their "protest". In doing so, they will show the British public exactly what they're really marching for and turn the tide of sympathy against them. Good and decent people are waking up to the realisation that many of these "protestors" real cause is their support for the destruction of the Jewish people and Israel. If they truly want the violence to stop, they should be protesting against Hamas for continuing to hold the hostages. As has been shown by Israel's retaliation, holding the hostages gains them nothing. Releasing them, unharmed, will pave the way for talks of a ceasefire. A lot of the protestors that I have seen and the ones chanting hate, ripping down posters and screaming in peoples faces are mainly young women / girls... Not a clue other than they are on a social media trend. The male contingent seem to be getting deeper and deeper into mimicking the look of a terrorist, and I have a feeling it wont be long before one of them do something as evil as Hamas to be the man. I agree. There is an old Jewish fable. An oryx and a scorpion are trying to escape a flood on the banks of the river Jordan. The oryx is preparing to swim across to escape, when the scorpion asks "I cannot swim, will you save me by carrying me across to safety?" The oryx says "but if I do that, you may sting me and I will die". The scorpion replies "if I do that, we will both die" The oryx sees the sense of this and agrees to carry the scorpion. Halfway across, the scorpion stings the oryx. "Why did you do that, now we both will die?", says the oryx as the poison fills his veins. The reply was "I am a scorpion, it's in my nature". Did the Oryx then go on and kill all the scorpions it could find in revenge? Understandably, the point of the parable has flown way above your head. Both the oryx and the scorpion died because of the violent nature of the scorpion. All Hamas have to do is to transcend their violent nature and release the innocent children, women and men they brutally took hostage, and Israel will agree to talks of a ceasefire. A ceasefire which Hamas will undoubtedly break, like they did the last time, and the time before that, and the time before that, and the time before that ad infinitum. Do you really believe that it's too much to ask that the hostages be released for the violence to stop? Nothing went above my head, it’s a very simple fable, told across many differing religions and societies, with minor differences. I think both sides have a role to play in ceasefire talks and both sides should engage willingly. It’s not a ‘you first’ situation. It’s clear from your stance and from your banner that it pointless engaging with you on the topic. You seem like another who believes Israel can do no wrong, no matter how many innocents die, so I’ll bow out. And it’s far more likely that you missed the point of my response, which was quite apt, given the events in Gaza. This response is wrong on many levels… a person who is in support of Israel is pointless to engage? Who said Israel can do no wrong, you, nobody else. " Did you miss the word ‘seem’? It ‘seems’ you perhaps did. | |||
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"Be interested to hear people's thoughts? My personal view is, whilst I support free speech and the right to protest against injustice or against something that people feel strongly about. I personally think the timing is very poor and they are being disrespectful, obviously someone is being very smart and they are going to gain maximum attention, but it's going to attract the wrong people sort of attention. The organisers have said the demonstration has always planned to be on Saturday and not Sunday and was always planned to be away from Whitehall to avoid conflicting with Remembrance Day preparations. That said, I bet there are bound to be some people who will look to rogue for a bit of publicity." The good owd stocks need bringing back for the publicity seekers. | |||
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"I am sure that they will go ahead with their "protest". In doing so, they will show the British public exactly what they're really marching for and turn the tide of sympathy against them. Good and decent people are waking up to the realisation that many of these "protestors" real cause is their support for the destruction of the Jewish people and Israel. If they truly want the violence to stop, they should be protesting against Hamas for continuing to hold the hostages. As has been shown by Israel's retaliation, holding the hostages gains them nothing. Releasing them, unharmed, will pave the way for talks of a ceasefire. A lot of the protestors that I have seen and the ones chanting hate, ripping down posters and screaming in peoples faces are mainly young women / girls... Not a clue other than they are on a social media trend. The male contingent seem to be getting deeper and deeper into mimicking the look of a terrorist, and I have a feeling it wont be long before one of them do something as evil as Hamas to be the man. I agree. There is an old Jewish fable. An oryx and a scorpion are trying to escape a flood on the banks of the river Jordan. The oryx is preparing to swim across to escape, when the scorpion asks "I cannot swim, will you save me by carrying me across to safety?" The oryx says "but if I do that, you may sting me and I will die". The scorpion replies "if I do that, we will both die" The oryx sees the sense of this and agrees to carry the scorpion. Halfway across, the scorpion stings the oryx. "Why did you do that, now we both will die?", says the oryx as the poison fills his veins. The reply was "I am a scorpion, it's in my nature". Did the Oryx then go on and kill all the scorpions it could find in revenge? Understandably, the point of the parable has flown way above your head. Both the oryx and the scorpion died because of the violent nature of the scorpion. All Hamas have to do is to transcend their violent nature and release the innocent children, women and men they brutally took hostage, and Israel will agree to talks of a ceasefire. A ceasefire which Hamas will undoubtedly break, like they did the last time, and the time before that, and the time before that, and the time before that ad infinitum. Do you really believe that it's too much to ask that the hostages be released for the violence to stop? Nothing went above my head, it’s a very simple fable, told across many differing religions and societies, with minor differences. I think both sides have a role to play in ceasefire talks and both sides should engage willingly. It’s not a ‘you first’ situation. It’s clear from your stance and from your banner that it pointless engaging with you on the topic. You seem like another who believes Israel can do no wrong, no matter how many innocents die, so I’ll bow out. And it’s far more likely that you missed the point of my response, which was quite apt, given the events in Gaza. This response is wrong on many levels… a person who is in support of Israel is pointless to engage? Who said Israel can do no wrong, you, nobody else. Did you miss the word ‘seem’? It ‘seems’ you perhaps did." “Seem” comes after pointless engaging…. | |||
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"I am sure that they will go ahead with their "protest". In doing so, they will show the British public exactly what they're really marching for and turn the tide of sympathy against them. Good and decent people are waking up to the realisation that many of these "protestors" real cause is their support for the destruction of the Jewish people and Israel. If they truly want the violence to stop, they should be protesting against Hamas for continuing to hold the hostages. As has been shown by Israel's retaliation, holding the hostages gains them nothing. Releasing them, unharmed, will pave the way for talks of a ceasefire. A lot of the protestors that I have seen and the ones chanting hate, ripping down posters and screaming in peoples faces are mainly young women / girls... Not a clue other than they are on a social media trend. The male contingent seem to be getting deeper and deeper into mimicking the look of a terrorist, and I have a feeling it wont be long before one of them do something as evil as Hamas to be the man. I agree. There is an old Jewish fable. An oryx and a scorpion are trying to escape a flood on the banks of the river Jordan. The oryx is preparing to swim across to escape, when the scorpion asks "I cannot swim, will you save me by carrying me across to safety?" The oryx says "but if I do that, you may sting me and I will die". The scorpion replies "if I do that, we will both die" The oryx sees the sense of this and agrees to carry the scorpion. Halfway across, the scorpion stings the oryx. "Why did you do that, now we both will die?", says the oryx as the poison fills his veins. The reply was "I am a scorpion, it's in my nature". Did the Oryx then go on and kill all the scorpions it could find in revenge? Understandably, the point of the parable has flown way above your head. Both the oryx and the scorpion died because of the violent nature of the scorpion. All Hamas have to do is to transcend their violent nature and release the innocent children, women and men they brutally took hostage, and Israel will agree to talks of a ceasefire. A ceasefire which Hamas will undoubtedly break, like they did the last time, and the time before that, and the time before that, and the time before that ad infinitum. Do you really believe that it's too much to ask that the hostages be released for the violence to stop? Nothing went above my head, it’s a very simple fable, told across many differing religions and societies, with minor differences. I think both sides have a role to play in ceasefire talks and both sides should engage willingly. It’s not a ‘you first’ situation. It’s clear from your stance and from your banner that it pointless engaging with you on the topic. You seem like another who believes Israel can do no wrong, no matter how many innocents die, so I’ll bow out. And it’s far more likely that you missed the point of my response, which was quite apt, given the events in Gaza. This response is wrong on many levels… a person who is in support of Israel is pointless to engage? Who said Israel can do no wrong, you, nobody else. Did you miss the word ‘seem’? It ‘seems’ you perhaps did. “Seem” comes after pointless engaging…." It is pointless engaging with someone so quite clearly biased, using inflammatory language and presenting a very one-sided view on an immensely nuanced subject. I know it’s easy to say Hamas Bad, Israel Good - but it’s not the whole truth, and anyone with an ounce of sense knows that. Like The Troubles here, there are no parties without innocent blood on their hands, and all could and should call for ceasefire ASAP, rather than shoring at the other side to do so from behind a rocket. | |||
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"I am sure that they will go ahead with their "protest". In doing so, they will show the British public exactly what they're really marching for and turn the tide of sympathy against them. Good and decent people are waking up to the realisation that many of these "protestors" real cause is their support for the destruction of the Jewish people and Israel. If they truly want the violence to stop, they should be protesting against Hamas for continuing to hold the hostages. As has been shown by Israel's retaliation, holding the hostages gains them nothing. Releasing them, unharmed, will pave the way for talks of a ceasefire. A lot of the protestors that I have seen and the ones chanting hate, ripping down posters and screaming in peoples faces are mainly young women / girls... Not a clue other than they are on a social media trend. The male contingent seem to be getting deeper and deeper into mimicking the look of a terrorist, and I have a feeling it wont be long before one of them do something as evil as Hamas to be the man. I agree. There is an old Jewish fable. An oryx and a scorpion are trying to escape a flood on the banks of the river Jordan. The oryx is preparing to swim across to escape, when the scorpion asks "I cannot swim, will you save me by carrying me across to safety?" The oryx says "but if I do that, you may sting me and I will die". The scorpion replies "if I do that, we will both die" The oryx sees the sense of this and agrees to carry the scorpion. Halfway across, the scorpion stings the oryx. "Why did you do that, now we both will die?", says the oryx as the poison fills his veins. The reply was "I am a scorpion, it's in my nature". Did the Oryx then go on and kill all the scorpions it could find in revenge? Understandably, the point of the parable has flown way above your head. Both the oryx and the scorpion died because of the violent nature of the scorpion. All Hamas have to do is to transcend their violent nature and release the innocent children, women and men they brutally took hostage, and Israel will agree to talks of a ceasefire. A ceasefire which Hamas will undoubtedly break, like they did the last time, and the time before that, and the time before that, and the time before that ad infinitum. Do you really believe that it's too much to ask that the hostages be released for the violence to stop? Nothing went above my head, it’s a very simple fable, told across many differing religions and societies, with minor differences. I think both sides have a role to play in ceasefire talks and both sides should engage willingly. It’s not a ‘you first’ situation. It’s clear from your stance and from your banner that it pointless engaging with you on the topic. You seem like another who believes Israel can do no wrong, no matter how many innocents die, so I’ll bow out. And it’s far more likely that you missed the point of my response, which was quite apt, given the events in Gaza. This response is wrong on many levels… a person who is in support of Israel is pointless to engage? Who said Israel can do no wrong, you, nobody else. Did you miss the word ‘seem’? It ‘seems’ you perhaps did. “Seem” comes after pointless engaging…. It is pointless engaging with someone so quite clearly biased, using inflammatory language and presenting a very one-sided view on an immensely nuanced subject. I know it’s easy to say Hamas Bad, Israel Good - but it’s not the whole truth, and anyone with an ounce of sense knows that. Like The Troubles here, there are no parties without innocent blood on their hands, and all could and should call for ceasefire ASAP, rather than shoring at the other side to do so from behind a rocket. " You are coming across in exactly the same way as you are calling out, biased. You have decided it is not worth engaging with someone with an Israeli flag as their picture. | |||
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"I am sure that they will go ahead with their "protest". In doing so, they will show the British public exactly what they're really marching for and turn the tide of sympathy against them. Good and decent people are waking up to the realisation that many of these "protestors" real cause is their support for the destruction of the Jewish people and Israel. If they truly want the violence to stop, they should be protesting against Hamas for continuing to hold the hostages. As has been shown by Israel's retaliation, holding the hostages gains them nothing. Releasing them, unharmed, will pave the way for talks of a ceasefire. A lot of the protestors that I have seen and the ones chanting hate, ripping down posters and screaming in peoples faces are mainly young women / girls... Not a clue other than they are on a social media trend. The male contingent seem to be getting deeper and deeper into mimicking the look of a terrorist, and I have a feeling it wont be long before one of them do something as evil as Hamas to be the man. I agree. There is an old Jewish fable. An oryx and a scorpion are trying to escape a flood on the banks of the river Jordan. The oryx is preparing to swim across to escape, when the scorpion asks "I cannot swim, will you save me by carrying me across to safety?" The oryx says "but if I do that, you may sting me and I will die". The scorpion replies "if I do that, we will both die" The oryx sees the sense of this and agrees to carry the scorpion. Halfway across, the scorpion stings the oryx. "Why did you do that, now we both will die?", says the oryx as the poison fills his veins. The reply was "I am a scorpion, it's in my nature". Did the Oryx then go on and kill all the scorpions it could find in revenge? Understandably, the point of the parable has flown way above your head. Both the oryx and the scorpion died because of the violent nature of the scorpion. All Hamas have to do is to transcend their violent nature and release the innocent children, women and men they brutally took hostage, and Israel will agree to talks of a ceasefire. A ceasefire which Hamas will undoubtedly break, like they did the last time, and the time before that, and the time before that, and the time before that ad infinitum. Do you really believe that it's too much to ask that the hostages be released for the violence to stop? Nothing went above my head, it’s a very simple fable, told across many differing religions and societies, with minor differences. I think both sides have a role to play in ceasefire talks and both sides should engage willingly. It’s not a ‘you first’ situation. It’s clear from your stance and from your banner that it pointless engaging with you on the topic. You seem like another who believes Israel can do no wrong, no matter how many innocents die, so I’ll bow out. And it’s far more likely that you missed the point of my response, which was quite apt, given the events in Gaza. This response is wrong on many levels… a person who is in support of Israel is pointless to engage? Who said Israel can do no wrong, you, nobody else. Did you miss the word ‘seem’? It ‘seems’ you perhaps did. “Seem” comes after pointless engaging…. It is pointless engaging with someone so quite clearly biased, using inflammatory language and presenting a very one-sided view on an immensely nuanced subject. I know it’s easy to say Hamas Bad, Israel Good - but it’s not the whole truth, and anyone with an ounce of sense knows that. Like The Troubles here, there are no parties without innocent blood on their hands, and all could and should call for ceasefire ASAP, rather than shoring at the other side to do so from behind a rocket. You are coming across in exactly the same way as you are calling out, biased. You have decided it is not worth engaging with someone with an Israeli flag as their picture." How am I biased, exactly? Because I accept that this is a 75+ year war with immense wrong done by and on both sides? Methinks your understanding of bias is a little out of whack. | |||
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"I am sure that they will go ahead with their "protest". In doing so, they will show the British public exactly what they're really marching for and turn the tide of sympathy against them. Good and decent people are waking up to the realisation that many of these "protestors" real cause is their support for the destruction of the Jewish people and Israel. If they truly want the violence to stop, they should be protesting against Hamas for continuing to hold the hostages. As has been shown by Israel's retaliation, holding the hostages gains them nothing. Releasing them, unharmed, will pave the way for talks of a ceasefire. A lot of the protestors that I have seen and the ones chanting hate, ripping down posters and screaming in peoples faces are mainly young women / girls... Not a clue other than they are on a social media trend. The male contingent seem to be getting deeper and deeper into mimicking the look of a terrorist, and I have a feeling it wont be long before one of them do something as evil as Hamas to be the man. I agree. There is an old Jewish fable. An oryx and a scorpion are trying to escape a flood on the banks of the river Jordan. The oryx is preparing to swim across to escape, when the scorpion asks "I cannot swim, will you save me by carrying me across to safety?" The oryx says "but if I do that, you may sting me and I will die". The scorpion replies "if I do that, we will both die" The oryx sees the sense of this and agrees to carry the scorpion. Halfway across, the scorpion stings the oryx. "Why did you do that, now we both will die?", says the oryx as the poison fills his veins. The reply was "I am a scorpion, it's in my nature". Did the Oryx then go on and kill all the scorpions it could find in revenge? Understandably, the point of the parable has flown way above your head. Both the oryx and the scorpion died because of the violent nature of the scorpion. All Hamas have to do is to transcend their violent nature and release the innocent children, women and men they brutally took hostage, and Israel will agree to talks of a ceasefire. A ceasefire which Hamas will undoubtedly break, like they did the last time, and the time before that, and the time before that, and the time before that ad infinitum. Do you really believe that it's too much to ask that the hostages be released for the violence to stop? Nothing went above my head, it’s a very simple fable, told across many differing religions and societies, with minor differences. I think both sides have a role to play in ceasefire talks and both sides should engage willingly. It’s not a ‘you first’ situation. It’s clear from your stance and from your banner that it pointless engaging with you on the topic. You seem like another who believes Israel can do no wrong, no matter how many innocents die, so I’ll bow out. And it’s far more likely that you missed the point of my response, which was quite apt, given the events in Gaza. This response is wrong on many levels… a person who is in support of Israel is pointless to engage? Who said Israel can do no wrong, you, nobody else. Did you miss the word ‘seem’? It ‘seems’ you perhaps did. “Seem” comes after pointless engaging…. It is pointless engaging with someone so quite clearly biased, using inflammatory language and presenting a very one-sided view on an immensely nuanced subject. I know it’s easy to say Hamas Bad, Israel Good - but it’s not the whole truth, and anyone with an ounce of sense knows that. Like The Troubles here, there are no parties without innocent blood on their hands, and all could and should call for ceasefire ASAP, rather than shoring at the other side to do so from behind a rocket. You are coming across in exactly the same way as you are calling out, biased. You have decided it is not worth engaging with someone with an Israeli flag as their picture." Definitely. Anyone with a rational unbiased view is only opposed to Israeli civilian deaths, and refuses to acknowledge the vast number of Palestinian civilians being killed. | |||
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"I am sure that they will go ahead with their "protest". In doing so, they will show the British public exactly what they're really marching for and turn the tide of sympathy against them. Good and decent people are waking up to the realisation that many of these "protestors" real cause is their support for the destruction of the Jewish people and Israel. If they truly want the violence to stop, they should be protesting against Hamas for continuing to hold the hostages. As has been shown by Israel's retaliation, holding the hostages gains them nothing. Releasing them, unharmed, will pave the way for talks of a ceasefire. A lot of the protestors that I have seen and the ones chanting hate, ripping down posters and screaming in peoples faces are mainly young women / girls... Not a clue other than they are on a social media trend. The male contingent seem to be getting deeper and deeper into mimicking the look of a terrorist, and I have a feeling it wont be long before one of them do something as evil as Hamas to be the man. I agree. There is an old Jewish fable. An oryx and a scorpion are trying to escape a flood on the banks of the river Jordan. The oryx is preparing to swim across to escape, when the scorpion asks "I cannot swim, will you save me by carrying me across to safety?" The oryx says "but if I do that, you may sting me and I will die". The scorpion replies "if I do that, we will both die" The oryx sees the sense of this and agrees to carry the scorpion. Halfway across, the scorpion stings the oryx. "Why did you do that, now we both will die?", says the oryx as the poison fills his veins. The reply was "I am a scorpion, it's in my nature". Did the Oryx then go on and kill all the scorpions it could find in revenge? Understandably, the point of the parable has flown way above your head. Both the oryx and the scorpion died because of the violent nature of the scorpion. All Hamas have to do is to transcend their violent nature and release the innocent children, women and men they brutally took hostage, and Israel will agree to talks of a ceasefire. A ceasefire which Hamas will undoubtedly break, like they did the last time, and the time before that, and the time before that, and the time before that ad infinitum. Do you really believe that it's too much to ask that the hostages be released for the violence to stop? Nothing went above my head, it’s a very simple fable, told across many differing religions and societies, with minor differences. I think both sides have a role to play in ceasefire talks and both sides should engage willingly. It’s not a ‘you first’ situation. It’s clear from your stance and from your banner that it pointless engaging with you on the topic. You seem like another who believes Israel can do no wrong, no matter how many innocents die, so I’ll bow out. And it’s far more likely that you missed the point of my response, which was quite apt, given the events in Gaza. This response is wrong on many levels… a person who is in support of Israel is pointless to engage? Who said Israel can do no wrong, you, nobody else. Did you miss the word ‘seem’? It ‘seems’ you perhaps did. “Seem” comes after pointless engaging…. It is pointless engaging with someone so quite clearly biased, using inflammatory language and presenting a very one-sided view on an immensely nuanced subject. I know it’s easy to say Hamas Bad, Israel Good - but it’s not the whole truth, and anyone with an ounce of sense knows that. Like The Troubles here, there are no parties without innocent blood on their hands, and all could and should call for ceasefire ASAP, rather than shoring at the other side to do so from behind a rocket. You are coming across in exactly the same way as you are calling out, biased. You have decided it is not worth engaging with someone with an Israeli flag as their picture. Definitely. Anyone with a rational unbiased view is only opposed to Israeli civilian deaths, and refuses to acknowledge the vast number of Palestinian civilians being killed. "   | |||
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"I am sure that they will go ahead with their "protest". In doing so, they will show the British public exactly what they're really marching for and turn the tide of sympathy against them. Good and decent people are waking up to the realisation that many of these "protestors" real cause is their support for the destruction of the Jewish people and Israel. If they truly want the violence to stop, they should be protesting against Hamas for continuing to hold the hostages. As has been shown by Israel's retaliation, holding the hostages gains them nothing. Releasing them, unharmed, will pave the way for talks of a ceasefire. A lot of the protestors that I have seen and the ones chanting hate, ripping down posters and screaming in peoples faces are mainly young women / girls... Not a clue other than they are on a social media trend. The male contingent seem to be getting deeper and deeper into mimicking the look of a terrorist, and I have a feeling it wont be long before one of them do something as evil as Hamas to be the man. I agree. There is an old Jewish fable. An oryx and a scorpion are trying to escape a flood on the banks of the river Jordan. The oryx is preparing to swim across to escape, when the scorpion asks "I cannot swim, will you save me by carrying me across to safety?" The oryx says "but if I do that, you may sting me and I will die". The scorpion replies "if I do that, we will both die" The oryx sees the sense of this and agrees to carry the scorpion. Halfway across, the scorpion stings the oryx. "Why did you do that, now we both will die?", says the oryx as the poison fills his veins. The reply was "I am a scorpion, it's in my nature". Did the Oryx then go on and kill all the scorpions it could find in revenge? Understandably, the point of the parable has flown way above your head. Both the oryx and the scorpion died because of the violent nature of the scorpion. All Hamas have to do is to transcend their violent nature and release the innocent children, women and men they brutally took hostage, and Israel will agree to talks of a ceasefire. A ceasefire which Hamas will undoubtedly break, like they did the last time, and the time before that, and the time before that, and the time before that ad infinitum. Do you really believe that it's too much to ask that the hostages be released for the violence to stop? Nothing went above my head, it’s a very simple fable, told across many differing religions and societies, with minor differences. I think both sides have a role to play in ceasefire talks and both sides should engage willingly. It’s not a ‘you first’ situation. It’s clear from your stance and from your banner that it pointless engaging with you on the topic. You seem like another who believes Israel can do no wrong, no matter how many innocents die, so I’ll bow out. And it’s far more likely that you missed the point of my response, which was quite apt, given the events in Gaza. This response is wrong on many levels… a person who is in support of Israel is pointless to engage? Who said Israel can do no wrong, you, nobody else. Did you miss the word ‘seem’? It ‘seems’ you perhaps did. “Seem” comes after pointless engaging…. It is pointless engaging with someone so quite clearly biased, using inflammatory language and presenting a very one-sided view on an immensely nuanced subject. I know it’s easy to say Hamas Bad, Israel Good - but it’s not the whole truth, and anyone with an ounce of sense knows that. Like The Troubles here, there are no parties without innocent blood on their hands, and all could and should call for ceasefire ASAP, rather than shoring at the other side to do so from behind a rocket. You are coming across in exactly the same way as you are calling out, biased. You have decided it is not worth engaging with someone with an Israeli flag as their picture. How am I biased, exactly? Because I accept that this is a 75+ year war with immense wrong done by and on both sides? Methinks your understanding of bias is a little out of whack. " If you cannot accept that you said it was pointless engaging with someone because they had an Israeli flag as their banner, as you called it, then I have nothing more to say. | |||
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"I am sure that they will go ahead with their "protest". In doing so, they will show the British public exactly what they're really marching for and turn the tide of sympathy against them. Good and decent people are waking up to the realisation that many of these "protestors" real cause is their support for the destruction of the Jewish people and Israel. If they truly want the violence to stop, they should be protesting against Hamas for continuing to hold the hostages. As has been shown by Israel's retaliation, holding the hostages gains them nothing. Releasing them, unharmed, will pave the way for talks of a ceasefire. A lot of the protestors that I have seen and the ones chanting hate, ripping down posters and screaming in peoples faces are mainly young women / girls... Not a clue other than they are on a social media trend. The male contingent seem to be getting deeper and deeper into mimicking the look of a terrorist, and I have a feeling it wont be long before one of them do something as evil as Hamas to be the man. I agree. There is an old Jewish fable. An oryx and a scorpion are trying to escape a flood on the banks of the river Jordan. The oryx is preparing to swim across to escape, when the scorpion asks "I cannot swim, will you save me by carrying me across to safety?" The oryx says "but if I do that, you may sting me and I will die". The scorpion replies "if I do that, we will both die" The oryx sees the sense of this and agrees to carry the scorpion. Halfway across, the scorpion stings the oryx. "Why did you do that, now we both will die?", says the oryx as the poison fills his veins. The reply was "I am a scorpion, it's in my nature". Did the Oryx then go on and kill all the scorpions it could find in revenge? Understandably, the point of the parable has flown way above your head. Both the oryx and the scorpion died because of the violent nature of the scorpion. All Hamas have to do is to transcend their violent nature and release the innocent children, women and men they brutally took hostage, and Israel will agree to talks of a ceasefire. A ceasefire which Hamas will undoubtedly break, like they did the last time, and the time before that, and the time before that, and the time before that ad infinitum. Do you really believe that it's too much to ask that the hostages be released for the violence to stop? Nothing went above my head, it’s a very simple fable, told across many differing religions and societies, with minor differences. I think both sides have a role to play in ceasefire talks and both sides should engage willingly. It’s not a ‘you first’ situation. It’s clear from your stance and from your banner that it pointless engaging with you on the topic. You seem like another who believes Israel can do no wrong, no matter how many innocents die, so I’ll bow out. And it’s far more likely that you missed the point of my response, which was quite apt, given the events in Gaza. This response is wrong on many levels… a person who is in support of Israel is pointless to engage? Who said Israel can do no wrong, you, nobody else. Did you miss the word ‘seem’? It ‘seems’ you perhaps did. “Seem” comes after pointless engaging…. It is pointless engaging with someone so quite clearly biased, using inflammatory language and presenting a very one-sided view on an immensely nuanced subject. I know it’s easy to say Hamas Bad, Israel Good - but it’s not the whole truth, and anyone with an ounce of sense knows that. Like The Troubles here, there are no parties without innocent blood on their hands, and all could and should call for ceasefire ASAP, rather than shoring at the other side to do so from behind a rocket. You are coming across in exactly the same way as you are calling out, biased. You have decided it is not worth engaging with someone with an Israeli flag as their picture. Definitely. Anyone with a rational unbiased view is only opposed to Israeli civilian deaths, and refuses to acknowledge the vast number of Palestinian civilians being killed. " So you also thinks it's not worth engaging with anyone who supports Israel? Not sure how many times it needs said, 'the left' fo themselves no favours whatsoever  | |||
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"I am sure that they will go ahead with their "protest". In doing so, they will show the British public exactly what they're really marching for and turn the tide of sympathy against them. Good and decent people are waking up to the realisation that many of these "protestors" real cause is their support for the destruction of the Jewish people and Israel. If they truly want the violence to stop, they should be protesting against Hamas for continuing to hold the hostages. As has been shown by Israel's retaliation, holding the hostages gains them nothing. Releasing them, unharmed, will pave the way for talks of a ceasefire. A lot of the protestors that I have seen and the ones chanting hate, ripping down posters and screaming in peoples faces are mainly young women / girls... Not a clue other than they are on a social media trend. The male contingent seem to be getting deeper and deeper into mimicking the look of a terrorist, and I have a feeling it wont be long before one of them do something as evil as Hamas to be the man. I agree. There is an old Jewish fable. An oryx and a scorpion are trying to escape a flood on the banks of the river Jordan. The oryx is preparing to swim across to escape, when the scorpion asks "I cannot swim, will you save me by carrying me across to safety?" The oryx says "but if I do that, you may sting me and I will die". The scorpion replies "if I do that, we will both die" The oryx sees the sense of this and agrees to carry the scorpion. Halfway across, the scorpion stings the oryx. "Why did you do that, now we both will die?", says the oryx as the poison fills his veins. The reply was "I am a scorpion, it's in my nature". Did the Oryx then go on and kill all the scorpions it could find in revenge? Understandably, the point of the parable has flown way above your head. Both the oryx and the scorpion died because of the violent nature of the scorpion. All Hamas have to do is to transcend their violent nature and release the innocent children, women and men they brutally took hostage, and Israel will agree to talks of a ceasefire. A ceasefire which Hamas will undoubtedly break, like they did the last time, and the time before that, and the time before that, and the time before that ad infinitum. Do you really believe that it's too much to ask that the hostages be released for the violence to stop? Nothing went above my head, it’s a very simple fable, told across many differing religions and societies, with minor differences. I think both sides have a role to play in ceasefire talks and both sides should engage willingly. It’s not a ‘you first’ situation. It’s clear from your stance and from your banner that it pointless engaging with you on the topic. You seem like another who believes Israel can do no wrong, no matter how many innocents die, so I’ll bow out. And it’s far more likely that you missed the point of my response, which was quite apt, given the events in Gaza. This response is wrong on many levels… a person who is in support of Israel is pointless to engage? Who said Israel can do no wrong, you, nobody else. Did you miss the word ‘seem’? It ‘seems’ you perhaps did. “Seem” comes after pointless engaging…. It is pointless engaging with someone so quite clearly biased, using inflammatory language and presenting a very one-sided view on an immensely nuanced subject. I know it’s easy to say Hamas Bad, Israel Good - but it’s not the whole truth, and anyone with an ounce of sense knows that. Like The Troubles here, there are no parties without innocent blood on their hands, and all could and should call for ceasefire ASAP, rather than shoring at the other side to do so from behind a rocket. You are coming across in exactly the same way as you are calling out, biased. You have decided it is not worth engaging with someone with an Israeli flag as their picture. How am I biased, exactly? Because I accept that this is a 75+ year war with immense wrong done by and on both sides? Methinks your understanding of bias is a little out of whack. If you cannot accept that you said it was pointless engaging with someone because they had an Israeli flag as their banner, as you called it, then I have nothing more to say. " My, you really do have comprehension issues, don’t you? “It’s clear from your stance and from your banner that it pointless engaging with you on the topic.” Do you know what ‘from your stance’ means? | |||
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"I am sure that they will go ahead with their "protest". In doing so, they will show the British public exactly what they're really marching for and turn the tide of sympathy against them. Good and decent people are waking up to the realisation that many of these "protestors" real cause is their support for the destruction of the Jewish people and Israel. If they truly want the violence to stop, they should be protesting against Hamas for continuing to hold the hostages. As has been shown by Israel's retaliation, holding the hostages gains them nothing. Releasing them, unharmed, will pave the way for talks of a ceasefire. A lot of the protestors that I have seen and the ones chanting hate, ripping down posters and screaming in peoples faces are mainly young women / girls... Not a clue other than they are on a social media trend. The male contingent seem to be getting deeper and deeper into mimicking the look of a terrorist, and I have a feeling it wont be long before one of them do something as evil as Hamas to be the man. I agree. There is an old Jewish fable. An oryx and a scorpion are trying to escape a flood on the banks of the river Jordan. The oryx is preparing to swim across to escape, when the scorpion asks "I cannot swim, will you save me by carrying me across to safety?" The oryx says "but if I do that, you may sting me and I will die". The scorpion replies "if I do that, we will both die" The oryx sees the sense of this and agrees to carry the scorpion. Halfway across, the scorpion stings the oryx. "Why did you do that, now we both will die?", says the oryx as the poison fills his veins. The reply was "I am a scorpion, it's in my nature". Did the Oryx then go on and kill all the scorpions it could find in revenge? Understandably, the point of the parable has flown way above your head. Both the oryx and the scorpion died because of the violent nature of the scorpion. All Hamas have to do is to transcend their violent nature and release the innocent children, women and men they brutally took hostage, and Israel will agree to talks of a ceasefire. A ceasefire which Hamas will undoubtedly break, like they did the last time, and the time before that, and the time before that, and the time before that ad infinitum. Do you really believe that it's too much to ask that the hostages be released for the violence to stop? Nothing went above my head, it’s a very simple fable, told across many differing religions and societies, with minor differences. I think both sides have a role to play in ceasefire talks and both sides should engage willingly. It’s not a ‘you first’ situation. It’s clear from your stance and from your banner that it pointless engaging with you on the topic. You seem like another who believes Israel can do no wrong, no matter how many innocents die, so I’ll bow out. And it’s far more likely that you missed the point of my response, which was quite apt, given the events in Gaza. This response is wrong on many levels… a person who is in support of Israel is pointless to engage? Who said Israel can do no wrong, you, nobody else. Did you miss the word ‘seem’? It ‘seems’ you perhaps did. “Seem” comes after pointless engaging…. It is pointless engaging with someone so quite clearly biased, using inflammatory language and presenting a very one-sided view on an immensely nuanced subject. I know it’s easy to say Hamas Bad, Israel Good - but it’s not the whole truth, and anyone with an ounce of sense knows that. Like The Troubles here, there are no parties without innocent blood on their hands, and all could and should call for ceasefire ASAP, rather than shoring at the other side to do so from behind a rocket. You are coming across in exactly the same way as you are calling out, biased. You have decided it is not worth engaging with someone with an Israeli flag as their picture. How am I biased, exactly? Because I accept that this is a 75+ year war with immense wrong done by and on both sides? Methinks your understanding of bias is a little out of whack. If you cannot accept that you said it was pointless engaging with someone because they had an Israeli flag as their banner, as you called it, then I have nothing more to say. My, you really do have comprehension issues, don’t you? “It’s clear from your stance and from your banner that it pointless engaging with you on the topic.” Do you know what ‘from your stance’ means? " They're stance is they should protest against Hamas. Is that so wild that you wouldn't talk to them? | |||
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"I am sure that they will go ahead with their "protest". In doing so, they will show the British public exactly what they're really marching for and turn the tide of sympathy against them. Good and decent people are waking up to the realisation that many of these "protestors" real cause is their support for the destruction of the Jewish people and Israel. If they truly want the violence to stop, they should be protesting against Hamas for continuing to hold the hostages. As has been shown by Israel's retaliation, holding the hostages gains them nothing. Releasing them, unharmed, will pave the way for talks of a ceasefire. A lot of the protestors that I have seen and the ones chanting hate, ripping down posters and screaming in peoples faces are mainly young women / girls... Not a clue other than they are on a social media trend. The male contingent seem to be getting deeper and deeper into mimicking the look of a terrorist, and I have a feeling it wont be long before one of them do something as evil as Hamas to be the man. I agree. There is an old Jewish fable. An oryx and a scorpion are trying to escape a flood on the banks of the river Jordan. The oryx is preparing to swim across to escape, when the scorpion asks "I cannot swim, will you save me by carrying me across to safety?" The oryx says "but if I do that, you may sting me and I will die". The scorpion replies "if I do that, we will both die" The oryx sees the sense of this and agrees to carry the scorpion. Halfway across, the scorpion stings the oryx. "Why did you do that, now we both will die?", says the oryx as the poison fills his veins. The reply was "I am a scorpion, it's in my nature". Did the Oryx then go on and kill all the scorpions it could find in revenge? Understandably, the point of the parable has flown way above your head. Both the oryx and the scorpion died because of the violent nature of the scorpion. All Hamas have to do is to transcend their violent nature and release the innocent children, women and men they brutally took hostage, and Israel will agree to talks of a ceasefire. A ceasefire which Hamas will undoubtedly break, like they did the last time, and the time before that, and the time before that, and the time before that ad infinitum. Do you really believe that it's too much to ask that the hostages be released for the violence to stop? Nothing went above my head, it’s a very simple fable, told across many differing religions and societies, with minor differences. I think both sides have a role to play in ceasefire talks and both sides should engage willingly. It’s not a ‘you first’ situation. It’s clear from your stance and from your banner that it pointless engaging with you on the topic. You seem like another who believes Israel can do no wrong, no matter how many innocents die, so I’ll bow out. And it’s far more likely that you missed the point of my response, which was quite apt, given the events in Gaza. This response is wrong on many levels… a person who is in support of Israel is pointless to engage? Who said Israel can do no wrong, you, nobody else. Did you miss the word ‘seem’? It ‘seems’ you perhaps did. “Seem” comes after pointless engaging…. It is pointless engaging with someone so quite clearly biased, using inflammatory language and presenting a very one-sided view on an immensely nuanced subject. I know it’s easy to say Hamas Bad, Israel Good - but it’s not the whole truth, and anyone with an ounce of sense knows that. Like The Troubles here, there are no parties without innocent blood on their hands, and all could and should call for ceasefire ASAP, rather than shoring at the other side to do so from behind a rocket. You are coming across in exactly the same way as you are calling out, biased. You have decided it is not worth engaging with someone with an Israeli flag as their picture. Definitely. Anyone with a rational unbiased view is only opposed to Israeli civilian deaths, and refuses to acknowledge the vast number of Palestinian civilians being killed. So you also thinks it's not worth engaging with anyone who supports Israel? Not sure how many times it needs said, 'the left' fo themselves no favours whatsoever "Nobody should support Israel, or indeed Hamas (definitely not Hamas) because it’s not a football match. We should all urge ceasefire to stop innocent deaths on both sides. | |||
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"I am sure that they will go ahead with their "protest". In doing so, they will show the British public exactly what they're really marching for and turn the tide of sympathy against them. Good and decent people are waking up to the realisation that many of these "protestors" real cause is their support for the destruction of the Jewish people and Israel. If they truly want the violence to stop, they should be protesting against Hamas for continuing to hold the hostages. As has been shown by Israel's retaliation, holding the hostages gains them nothing. Releasing them, unharmed, will pave the way for talks of a ceasefire. A lot of the protestors that I have seen and the ones chanting hate, ripping down posters and screaming in peoples faces are mainly young women / girls... Not a clue other than they are on a social media trend. The male contingent seem to be getting deeper and deeper into mimicking the look of a terrorist, and I have a feeling it wont be long before one of them do something as evil as Hamas to be the man. I agree. There is an old Jewish fable. An oryx and a scorpion are trying to escape a flood on the banks of the river Jordan. The oryx is preparing to swim across to escape, when the scorpion asks "I cannot swim, will you save me by carrying me across to safety?" The oryx says "but if I do that, you may sting me and I will die". The scorpion replies "if I do that, we will both die" The oryx sees the sense of this and agrees to carry the scorpion. Halfway across, the scorpion stings the oryx. "Why did you do that, now we both will die?", says the oryx as the poison fills his veins. The reply was "I am a scorpion, it's in my nature". Did the Oryx then go on and kill all the scorpions it could find in revenge? Understandably, the point of the parable has flown way above your head. Both the oryx and the scorpion died because of the violent nature of the scorpion. All Hamas have to do is to transcend their violent nature and release the innocent children, women and men they brutally took hostage, and Israel will agree to talks of a ceasefire. A ceasefire which Hamas will undoubtedly break, like they did the last time, and the time before that, and the time before that, and the time before that ad infinitum. Do you really believe that it's too much to ask that the hostages be released for the violence to stop? Nothing went above my head, it’s a very simple fable, told across many differing religions and societies, with minor differences. I think both sides have a role to play in ceasefire talks and both sides should engage willingly. It’s not a ‘you first’ situation. It’s clear from your stance and from your banner that it pointless engaging with you on the topic. You seem like another who believes Israel can do no wrong, no matter how many innocents die, so I’ll bow out. And it’s far more likely that you missed the point of my response, which was quite apt, given the events in Gaza. This response is wrong on many levels… a person who is in support of Israel is pointless to engage? Who said Israel can do no wrong, you, nobody else. Did you miss the word ‘seem’? It ‘seems’ you perhaps did. “Seem” comes after pointless engaging…. It is pointless engaging with someone so quite clearly biased, using inflammatory language and presenting a very one-sided view on an immensely nuanced subject. I know it’s easy to say Hamas Bad, Israel Good - but it’s not the whole truth, and anyone with an ounce of sense knows that. Like The Troubles here, there are no parties without innocent blood on their hands, and all could and should call for ceasefire ASAP, rather than shoring at the other side to do so from behind a rocket. You are coming across in exactly the same way as you are calling out, biased. You have decided it is not worth engaging with someone with an Israeli flag as their picture. How am I biased, exactly? Because I accept that this is a 75+ year war with immense wrong done by and on both sides? Methinks your understanding of bias is a little out of whack. If you cannot accept that you said it was pointless engaging with someone because they had an Israeli flag as their banner, as you called it, then I have nothing more to say. My, you really do have comprehension issues, don’t you? “It’s clear from your stance and from your banner that it pointless engaging with you on the topic.” Do you know what ‘from your stance’ means? They're stance is they should protest against Hamas. Is that so wild that you wouldn't talk to them?" I would ask why their language is so inflammatory and biased, I suppose. | |||
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"Be interested to hear people's thoughts? My personal view is, whilst I support free speech and the right to protest against injustice or against something that people feel strongly about. I personally think the timing is very poor and they are being disrespectful, obviously someone is being very smart and they are going to gain maximum attention, but it's going to attract the wrong people sort of attention. " I totally agree | |||
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"I am sure that they will go ahead with their "protest". In doing so, they will show the British public exactly what they're really marching for and turn the tide of sympathy against them. Good and decent people are waking up to the realisation that many of these "protestors" real cause is their support for the destruction of the Jewish people and Israel. If they truly want the violence to stop, they should be protesting against Hamas for continuing to hold the hostages. As has been shown by Israel's retaliation, holding the hostages gains them nothing. Releasing them, unharmed, will pave the way for talks of a ceasefire. A lot of the protestors that I have seen and the ones chanting hate, ripping down posters and screaming in peoples faces are mainly young women / girls... Not a clue other than they are on a social media trend. The male contingent seem to be getting deeper and deeper into mimicking the look of a terrorist, and I have a feeling it wont be long before one of them do something as evil as Hamas to be the man. I agree. There is an old Jewish fable. An oryx and a scorpion are trying to escape a flood on the banks of the river Jordan. The oryx is preparing to swim across to escape, when the scorpion asks "I cannot swim, will you save me by carrying me across to safety?" The oryx says "but if I do that, you may sting me and I will die". The scorpion replies "if I do that, we will both die" The oryx sees the sense of this and agrees to carry the scorpion. Halfway across, the scorpion stings the oryx. "Why did you do that, now we both will die?", says the oryx as the poison fills his veins. The reply was "I am a scorpion, it's in my nature". Did the Oryx then go on and kill all the scorpions it could find in revenge? Understandably, the point of the parable has flown way above your head. Both the oryx and the scorpion died because of the violent nature of the scorpion. All Hamas have to do is to transcend their violent nature and release the innocent children, women and men they brutally took hostage, and Israel will agree to talks of a ceasefire. A ceasefire which Hamas will undoubtedly break, like they did the last time, and the time before that, and the time before that, and the time before that ad infinitum. Do you really believe that it's too much to ask that the hostages be released for the violence to stop? Nothing went above my head, it’s a very simple fable, told across many differing religions and societies, with minor differences. I think both sides have a role to play in ceasefire talks and both sides should engage willingly. It’s not a ‘you first’ situation. It’s clear from your stance and from your banner that it pointless engaging with you on the topic. You seem like another who believes Israel can do no wrong, no matter how many innocents die, so I’ll bow out. And it’s far more likely that you missed the point of my response, which was quite apt, given the events in Gaza. This response is wrong on many levels… a person who is in support of Israel is pointless to engage? Who said Israel can do no wrong, you, nobody else. Did you miss the word ‘seem’? It ‘seems’ you perhaps did. “Seem” comes after pointless engaging…. It is pointless engaging with someone so quite clearly biased, using inflammatory language and presenting a very one-sided view on an immensely nuanced subject. I know it’s easy to say Hamas Bad, Israel Good - but it’s not the whole truth, and anyone with an ounce of sense knows that. Like The Troubles here, there are no parties without innocent blood on their hands, and all could and should call for ceasefire ASAP, rather than shoring at the other side to do so from behind a rocket. You are coming across in exactly the same way as you are calling out, biased. You have decided it is not worth engaging with someone with an Israeli flag as their picture. Definitely. Anyone with a rational unbiased view is only opposed to Israeli civilian deaths, and refuses to acknowledge the vast number of Palestinian civilians being killed. So you also thinks it's not worth engaging with anyone who supports Israel? Not sure how many times it needs said, 'the left' fo themselves no favours whatsoever
Nobody should support Israel, or indeed Hamas (definitely not Hamas) because it’s not a football match.
We should all urge ceasefire to stop innocent deaths on both sides. "Its perfectly fine to support Israel or Hamas should anyone choose to. You're the one trying to shut people down. | |||
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"I am sure that they will go ahead with their "protest". In doing so, they will show the British public exactly what they're really marching for and turn the tide of sympathy against them. Good and decent people are waking up to the realisation that many of these "protestors" real cause is their support for the destruction of the Jewish people and Israel. If they truly want the violence to stop, they should be protesting against Hamas for continuing to hold the hostages. As has been shown by Israel's retaliation, holding the hostages gains them nothing. Releasing them, unharmed, will pave the way for talks of a ceasefire. A lot of the protestors that I have seen and the ones chanting hate, ripping down posters and screaming in peoples faces are mainly young women / girls... Not a clue other than they are on a social media trend. The male contingent seem to be getting deeper and deeper into mimicking the look of a terrorist, and I have a feeling it wont be long before one of them do something as evil as Hamas to be the man. I agree. There is an old Jewish fable. An oryx and a scorpion are trying to escape a flood on the banks of the river Jordan. The oryx is preparing to swim across to escape, when the scorpion asks "I cannot swim, will you save me by carrying me across to safety?" The oryx says "but if I do that, you may sting me and I will die". The scorpion replies "if I do that, we will both die" The oryx sees the sense of this and agrees to carry the scorpion. Halfway across, the scorpion stings the oryx. "Why did you do that, now we both will die?", says the oryx as the poison fills his veins. The reply was "I am a scorpion, it's in my nature". Did the Oryx then go on and kill all the scorpions it could find in revenge? Understandably, the point of the parable has flown way above your head. Both the oryx and the scorpion died because of the violent nature of the scorpion. All Hamas have to do is to transcend their violent nature and release the innocent children, women and men they brutally took hostage, and Israel will agree to talks of a ceasefire. A ceasefire which Hamas will undoubtedly break, like they did the last time, and the time before that, and the time before that, and the time before that ad infinitum. Do you really believe that it's too much to ask that the hostages be released for the violence to stop? Nothing went above my head, it’s a very simple fable, told across many differing religions and societies, with minor differences. I think both sides have a role to play in ceasefire talks and both sides should engage willingly. It’s not a ‘you first’ situation. It’s clear from your stance and from your banner that it pointless engaging with you on the topic. You seem like another who believes Israel can do no wrong, no matter how many innocents die, so I’ll bow out. And it’s far more likely that you missed the point of my response, which was quite apt, given the events in Gaza. This response is wrong on many levels… a person who is in support of Israel is pointless to engage? Who said Israel can do no wrong, you, nobody else. Did you miss the word ‘seem’? It ‘seems’ you perhaps did. “Seem” comes after pointless engaging…. It is pointless engaging with someone so quite clearly biased, using inflammatory language and presenting a very one-sided view on an immensely nuanced subject. I know it’s easy to say Hamas Bad, Israel Good - but it’s not the whole truth, and anyone with an ounce of sense knows that. Like The Troubles here, there are no parties without innocent blood on their hands, and all could and should call for ceasefire ASAP, rather than shoring at the other side to do so from behind a rocket. You are coming across in exactly the same way as you are calling out, biased. You have decided it is not worth engaging with someone with an Israeli flag as their picture. How am I biased, exactly? Because I accept that this is a 75+ year war with immense wrong done by and on both sides? Methinks your understanding of bias is a little out of whack. If you cannot accept that you said it was pointless engaging with someone because they had an Israeli flag as their banner, as you called it, then I have nothing more to say. My, you really do have comprehension issues, don’t you? “It’s clear from your stance and from your banner that it pointless engaging with you on the topic.” Do you know what ‘from your stance’ means? They're stance is they should protest against Hamas. Is that so wild that you wouldn't talk to them? I would ask why their language is so inflammatory and biased, I suppose." What was inflammatory? | |||
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"I am sure that they will go ahead with their "protest". In doing so, they will show the British public exactly what they're really marching for and turn the tide of sympathy against them. Good and decent people are waking up to the realisation that many of these "protestors" real cause is their support for the destruction of the Jewish people and Israel. If they truly want the violence to stop, they should be protesting against Hamas for continuing to hold the hostages. As has been shown by Israel's retaliation, holding the hostages gains them nothing. Releasing them, unharmed, will pave the way for talks of a ceasefire. A lot of the protestors that I have seen and the ones chanting hate, ripping down posters and screaming in peoples faces are mainly young women / girls... Not a clue other than they are on a social media trend. The male contingent seem to be getting deeper and deeper into mimicking the look of a terrorist, and I have a feeling it wont be long before one of them do something as evil as Hamas to be the man. I agree. There is an old Jewish fable. An oryx and a scorpion are trying to escape a flood on the banks of the river Jordan. The oryx is preparing to swim across to escape, when the scorpion asks "I cannot swim, will you save me by carrying me across to safety?" The oryx says "but if I do that, you may sting me and I will die". The scorpion replies "if I do that, we will both die" The oryx sees the sense of this and agrees to carry the scorpion. Halfway across, the scorpion stings the oryx. "Why did you do that, now we both will die?", says the oryx as the poison fills his veins. The reply was "I am a scorpion, it's in my nature". Did the Oryx then go on and kill all the scorpions it could find in revenge? Understandably, the point of the parable has flown way above your head. Both the oryx and the scorpion died because of the violent nature of the scorpion. All Hamas have to do is to transcend their violent nature and release the innocent children, women and men they brutally took hostage, and Israel will agree to talks of a ceasefire. A ceasefire which Hamas will undoubtedly break, like they did the last time, and the time before that, and the time before that, and the time before that ad infinitum. Do you really believe that it's too much to ask that the hostages be released for the violence to stop? Nothing went above my head, it’s a very simple fable, told across many differing religions and societies, with minor differences. I think both sides have a role to play in ceasefire talks and both sides should engage willingly. It’s not a ‘you first’ situation. It’s clear from your stance and from your banner that it pointless engaging with you on the topic. You seem like another who believes Israel can do no wrong, no matter how many innocents die, so I’ll bow out. And it’s far more likely that you missed the point of my response, which was quite apt, given the events in Gaza. This response is wrong on many levels… a person who is in support of Israel is pointless to engage? Who said Israel can do no wrong, you, nobody else. Did you miss the word ‘seem’? It ‘seems’ you perhaps did. “Seem” comes after pointless engaging…. It is pointless engaging with someone so quite clearly biased, using inflammatory language and presenting a very one-sided view on an immensely nuanced subject. I know it’s easy to say Hamas Bad, Israel Good - but it’s not the whole truth, and anyone with an ounce of sense knows that. Like The Troubles here, there are no parties without innocent blood on their hands, and all could and should call for ceasefire ASAP, rather than shoring at the other side to do so from behind a rocket. You are coming across in exactly the same way as you are calling out, biased. You have decided it is not worth engaging with someone with an Israeli flag as their picture. How am I biased, exactly? Because I accept that this is a 75+ year war with immense wrong done by and on both sides? Methinks your understanding of bias is a little out of whack. If you cannot accept that you said it was pointless engaging with someone because they had an Israeli flag as their banner, as you called it, then I have nothing more to say. My, you really do have comprehension issues, don’t you? “It’s clear from your stance and from your banner that it pointless engaging with you on the topic.” Do you know what ‘from your stance’ means? They're stance is they should protest against Hamas. Is that so wild that you wouldn't talk to them? I would ask why their language is so inflammatory and biased, I suppose." If you engaged instead of ignoring, you might be able to have a discussion that enlightens this | |||
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"I am sure that they will go ahead with their "protest". In doing so, they will show the British public exactly what they're really marching for and turn the tide of sympathy against them. Good and decent people are waking up to the realisation that many of these "protestors" real cause is their support for the destruction of the Jewish people and Israel. If they truly want the violence to stop, they should be protesting against Hamas for continuing to hold the hostages. As has been shown by Israel's retaliation, holding the hostages gains them nothing. Releasing them, unharmed, will pave the way for talks of a ceasefire. A lot of the protestors that I have seen and the ones chanting hate, ripping down posters and screaming in peoples faces are mainly young women / girls... Not a clue other than they are on a social media trend. The male contingent seem to be getting deeper and deeper into mimicking the look of a terrorist, and I have a feeling it wont be long before one of them do something as evil as Hamas to be the man. I agree. There is an old Jewish fable. An oryx and a scorpion are trying to escape a flood on the banks of the river Jordan. The oryx is preparing to swim across to escape, when the scorpion asks "I cannot swim, will you save me by carrying me across to safety?" The oryx says "but if I do that, you may sting me and I will die". The scorpion replies "if I do that, we will both die" The oryx sees the sense of this and agrees to carry the scorpion. Halfway across, the scorpion stings the oryx. "Why did you do that, now we both will die?", says the oryx as the poison fills his veins. The reply was "I am a scorpion, it's in my nature". Did the Oryx then go on and kill all the scorpions it could find in revenge? Understandably, the point of the parable has flown way above your head. Both the oryx and the scorpion died because of the violent nature of the scorpion. All Hamas have to do is to transcend their violent nature and release the innocent children, women and men they brutally took hostage, and Israel will agree to talks of a ceasefire. A ceasefire which Hamas will undoubtedly break, like they did the last time, and the time before that, and the time before that, and the time before that ad infinitum. Do you really believe that it's too much to ask that the hostages be released for the violence to stop? Nothing went above my head, it’s a very simple fable, told across many differing religions and societies, with minor differences. I think both sides have a role to play in ceasefire talks and both sides should engage willingly. It’s not a ‘you first’ situation. It’s clear from your stance and from your banner that it pointless engaging with you on the topic. You seem like another who believes Israel can do no wrong, no matter how many innocents die, so I’ll bow out. And it’s far more likely that you missed the point of my response, which was quite apt, given the events in Gaza. This response is wrong on many levels… a person who is in support of Israel is pointless to engage? Who said Israel can do no wrong, you, nobody else. Did you miss the word ‘seem’? It ‘seems’ you perhaps did. “Seem” comes after pointless engaging…. It is pointless engaging with someone so quite clearly biased, using inflammatory language and presenting a very one-sided view on an immensely nuanced subject. I know it’s easy to say Hamas Bad, Israel Good - but it’s not the whole truth, and anyone with an ounce of sense knows that. Like The Troubles here, there are no parties without innocent blood on their hands, and all could and should call for ceasefire ASAP, rather than shoring at the other side to do so from behind a rocket. You are coming across in exactly the same way as you are calling out, biased. You have decided it is not worth engaging with someone with an Israeli flag as their picture. How am I biased, exactly? Because I accept that this is a 75+ year war with immense wrong done by and on both sides? Methinks your understanding of bias is a little out of whack. If you cannot accept that you said it was pointless engaging with someone because they had an Israeli flag as their banner, as you called it, then I have nothing more to say. My, you really do have comprehension issues, don’t you? “It’s clear from your stance and from your banner that it pointless engaging with you on the topic.” Do you know what ‘from your stance’ means? They're stance is they should protest against Hamas. Is that so wild that you wouldn't talk to them? I would ask why their language is so inflammatory and biased, I suppose. What was inflammatory? " “All Hamas have to do is to transcend their violent nature and release the innocent children, women and men they brutally took hostage, and Israel will agree to talks of a ceasefire. A ceasefire which Hamas will undoubtedly break, like they did the last time, and the time before that, and the time before that, and the time before that ad infinitum. Do you really believe that it's too much to ask that the hostages be released for the violence to stop?“ The implication that Israel and the IDF bear no responsibility for the continuing war. | |||
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"I am sure that they will go ahead with their "protest". In doing so, they will show the British public exactly what they're really marching for and turn the tide of sympathy against them. Good and decent people are waking up to the realisation that many of these "protestors" real cause is their support for the destruction of the Jewish people and Israel. If they truly want the violence to stop, they should be protesting against Hamas for continuing to hold the hostages. As has been shown by Israel's retaliation, holding the hostages gains them nothing. Releasing them, unharmed, will pave the way for talks of a ceasefire. A lot of the protestors that I have seen and the ones chanting hate, ripping down posters and screaming in peoples faces are mainly young women / girls... Not a clue other than they are on a social media trend. The male contingent seem to be getting deeper and deeper into mimicking the look of a terrorist, and I have a feeling it wont be long before one of them do something as evil as Hamas to be the man. I agree. There is an old Jewish fable. An oryx and a scorpion are trying to escape a flood on the banks of the river Jordan. The oryx is preparing to swim across to escape, when the scorpion asks "I cannot swim, will you save me by carrying me across to safety?" The oryx says "but if I do that, you may sting me and I will die". The scorpion replies "if I do that, we will both die" The oryx sees the sense of this and agrees to carry the scorpion. Halfway across, the scorpion stings the oryx. "Why did you do that, now we both will die?", says the oryx as the poison fills his veins. The reply was "I am a scorpion, it's in my nature". Did the Oryx then go on and kill all the scorpions it could find in revenge? Understandably, the point of the parable has flown way above your head. Both the oryx and the scorpion died because of the violent nature of the scorpion. All Hamas have to do is to transcend their violent nature and release the innocent children, women and men they brutally took hostage, and Israel will agree to talks of a ceasefire. A ceasefire which Hamas will undoubtedly break, like they did the last time, and the time before that, and the time before that, and the time before that ad infinitum. Do you really believe that it's too much to ask that the hostages be released for the violence to stop? Nothing went above my head, it’s a very simple fable, told across many differing religions and societies, with minor differences. I think both sides have a role to play in ceasefire talks and both sides should engage willingly. It’s not a ‘you first’ situation. It’s clear from your stance and from your banner that it pointless engaging with you on the topic. You seem like another who believes Israel can do no wrong, no matter how many innocents die, so I’ll bow out. And it’s far more likely that you missed the point of my response, which was quite apt, given the events in Gaza. This response is wrong on many levels… a person who is in support of Israel is pointless to engage? Who said Israel can do no wrong, you, nobody else. Did you miss the word ‘seem’? It ‘seems’ you perhaps did. “Seem” comes after pointless engaging…. It is pointless engaging with someone so quite clearly biased, using inflammatory language and presenting a very one-sided view on an immensely nuanced subject. I know it’s easy to say Hamas Bad, Israel Good - but it’s not the whole truth, and anyone with an ounce of sense knows that. Like The Troubles here, there are no parties without innocent blood on their hands, and all could and should call for ceasefire ASAP, rather than shoring at the other side to do so from behind a rocket. You are coming across in exactly the same way as you are calling out, biased. You have decided it is not worth engaging with someone with an Israeli flag as their picture. Definitely. Anyone with a rational unbiased view is only opposed to Israeli civilian deaths, and refuses to acknowledge the vast number of Palestinian civilians being killed. So you also thinks it's not worth engaging with anyone who supports Israel? Not sure how many times it needs said, 'the left' fo themselves no favours whatsoever
Nobody should support Israel, or indeed Hamas (definitely not Hamas) because it’s not a football match.
We should all urge ceasefire to stop innocent deaths on both sides.
Its perfectly fine to support Israel or Hamas should anyone choose to. You're the one trying to shut people down. "Sure, you can support continued killing of innocent civilians on either side, I guess. Weird flex, but whatever works for someone. | |||
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"I am sure that they will go ahead with their "protest". In doing so, they will show the British public exactly what they're really marching for and turn the tide of sympathy against them. Good and decent people are waking up to the realisation that many of these "protestors" real cause is their support for the destruction of the Jewish people and Israel. If they truly want the violence to stop, they should be protesting against Hamas for continuing to hold the hostages. As has been shown by Israel's retaliation, holding the hostages gains them nothing. Releasing them, unharmed, will pave the way for talks of a ceasefire. A lot of the protestors that I have seen and the ones chanting hate, ripping down posters and screaming in peoples faces are mainly young women / girls... Not a clue other than they are on a social media trend. The male contingent seem to be getting deeper and deeper into mimicking the look of a terrorist, and I have a feeling it wont be long before one of them do something as evil as Hamas to be the man. I agree. There is an old Jewish fable. An oryx and a scorpion are trying to escape a flood on the banks of the river Jordan. The oryx is preparing to swim across to escape, when the scorpion asks "I cannot swim, will you save me by carrying me across to safety?" The oryx says "but if I do that, you may sting me and I will die". The scorpion replies "if I do that, we will both die" The oryx sees the sense of this and agrees to carry the scorpion. Halfway across, the scorpion stings the oryx. "Why did you do that, now we both will die?", says the oryx as the poison fills his veins. The reply was "I am a scorpion, it's in my nature". Did the Oryx then go on and kill all the scorpions it could find in revenge? Understandably, the point of the parable has flown way above your head. Both the oryx and the scorpion died because of the violent nature of the scorpion. All Hamas have to do is to transcend their violent nature and release the innocent children, women and men they brutally took hostage, and Israel will agree to talks of a ceasefire. A ceasefire which Hamas will undoubtedly break, like they did the last time, and the time before that, and the time before that, and the time before that ad infinitum. Do you really believe that it's too much to ask that the hostages be released for the violence to stop? Nothing went above my head, it’s a very simple fable, told across many differing religions and societies, with minor differences. I think both sides have a role to play in ceasefire talks and both sides should engage willingly. It’s not a ‘you first’ situation. It’s clear from your stance and from your banner that it pointless engaging with you on the topic. You seem like another who believes Israel can do no wrong, no matter how many innocents die, so I’ll bow out. And it’s far more likely that you missed the point of my response, which was quite apt, given the events in Gaza. This response is wrong on many levels… a person who is in support of Israel is pointless to engage? Who said Israel can do no wrong, you, nobody else. Did you miss the word ‘seem’? It ‘seems’ you perhaps did. “Seem” comes after pointless engaging…. It is pointless engaging with someone so quite clearly biased, using inflammatory language and presenting a very one-sided view on an immensely nuanced subject. I know it’s easy to say Hamas Bad, Israel Good - but it’s not the whole truth, and anyone with an ounce of sense knows that. Like The Troubles here, there are no parties without innocent blood on their hands, and all could and should call for ceasefire ASAP, rather than shoring at the other side to do so from behind a rocket. You are coming across in exactly the same way as you are calling out, biased. You have decided it is not worth engaging with someone with an Israeli flag as their picture. How am I biased, exactly? Because I accept that this is a 75+ year war with immense wrong done by and on both sides? Methinks your understanding of bias is a little out of whack. If you cannot accept that you said it was pointless engaging with someone because they had an Israeli flag as their banner, as you called it, then I have nothing more to say. My, you really do have comprehension issues, don’t you? “It’s clear from your stance and from your banner that it pointless engaging with you on the topic.” Do you know what ‘from your stance’ means? They're stance is they should protest against Hamas. Is that so wild that you wouldn't talk to them? I would ask why their language is so inflammatory and biased, I suppose. What was inflammatory? “All Hamas have to do is to transcend their violent nature and release the innocent children, women and men they brutally took hostage, and Israel will agree to talks of a ceasefire. A ceasefire which Hamas will undoubtedly break, like they did the last time, and the time before that, and the time before that, and the time before that ad infinitum. Do you really believe that it's too much to ask that the hostages be released for the violence to stop?“ The implication that Israel and the IDF bear no responsibility for the continuing war." How about answering the question? Is it to much to ask? A cease fire in return for the hostages? I can’t even believe I’m asking that question… | |||
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"I am sure that they will go ahead with their "protest". In doing so, they will show the British public exactly what they're really marching for and turn the tide of sympathy against them. Good and decent people are waking up to the realisation that many of these "protestors" real cause is their support for the destruction of the Jewish people and Israel. If they truly want the violence to stop, they should be protesting against Hamas for continuing to hold the hostages. As has been shown by Israel's retaliation, holding the hostages gains them nothing. Releasing them, unharmed, will pave the way for talks of a ceasefire. A lot of the protestors that I have seen and the ones chanting hate, ripping down posters and screaming in peoples faces are mainly young women / girls... Not a clue other than they are on a social media trend. The male contingent seem to be getting deeper and deeper into mimicking the look of a terrorist, and I have a feeling it wont be long before one of them do something as evil as Hamas to be the man. I agree. There is an old Jewish fable. An oryx and a scorpion are trying to escape a flood on the banks of the river Jordan. The oryx is preparing to swim across to escape, when the scorpion asks "I cannot swim, will you save me by carrying me across to safety?" The oryx says "but if I do that, you may sting me and I will die". The scorpion replies "if I do that, we will both die" The oryx sees the sense of this and agrees to carry the scorpion. Halfway across, the scorpion stings the oryx. "Why did you do that, now we both will die?", says the oryx as the poison fills his veins. The reply was "I am a scorpion, it's in my nature". Did the Oryx then go on and kill all the scorpions it could find in revenge? Understandably, the point of the parable has flown way above your head. Both the oryx and the scorpion died because of the violent nature of the scorpion. All Hamas have to do is to transcend their violent nature and release the innocent children, women and men they brutally took hostage, and Israel will agree to talks of a ceasefire. A ceasefire which Hamas will undoubtedly break, like they did the last time, and the time before that, and the time before that, and the time before that ad infinitum. Do you really believe that it's too much to ask that the hostages be released for the violence to stop? Nothing went above my head, it’s a very simple fable, told across many differing religions and societies, with minor differences. I think both sides have a role to play in ceasefire talks and both sides should engage willingly. It’s not a ‘you first’ situation. It’s clear from your stance and from your banner that it pointless engaging with you on the topic. You seem like another who believes Israel can do no wrong, no matter how many innocents die, so I’ll bow out. And it’s far more likely that you missed the point of my response, which was quite apt, given the events in Gaza. This response is wrong on many levels… a person who is in support of Israel is pointless to engage? Who said Israel can do no wrong, you, nobody else. Did you miss the word ‘seem’? It ‘seems’ you perhaps did. “Seem” comes after pointless engaging…. It is pointless engaging with someone so quite clearly biased, using inflammatory language and presenting a very one-sided view on an immensely nuanced subject. I know it’s easy to say Hamas Bad, Israel Good - but it’s not the whole truth, and anyone with an ounce of sense knows that. Like The Troubles here, there are no parties without innocent blood on their hands, and all could and should call for ceasefire ASAP, rather than shoring at the other side to do so from behind a rocket. You are coming across in exactly the same way as you are calling out, biased. You have decided it is not worth engaging with someone with an Israeli flag as their picture. How am I biased, exactly? Because I accept that this is a 75+ year war with immense wrong done by and on both sides? Methinks your understanding of bias is a little out of whack. If you cannot accept that you said it was pointless engaging with someone because they had an Israeli flag as their banner, as you called it, then I have nothing more to say. My, you really do have comprehension issues, don’t you? “It’s clear from your stance and from your banner that it pointless engaging with you on the topic.” Do you know what ‘from your stance’ means? They're stance is they should protest against Hamas. Is that so wild that you wouldn't talk to them? I would ask why their language is so inflammatory and biased, I suppose. What was inflammatory? “All Hamas have to do is to transcend their violent nature and release the innocent children, women and men they brutally took hostage, and Israel will agree to talks of a ceasefire. A ceasefire which Hamas will undoubtedly break, like they did the last time, and the time before that, and the time before that, and the time before that ad infinitum. Do you really believe that it's too much to ask that the hostages be released for the violence to stop?“ The implication that Israel and the IDF bear no responsibility for the continuing war. How about answering the question? Is it to much to ask? A cease fire in return for the hostages? I can’t even believe I’m asking that question…" I believe I’ve already stated on several occasions that both sides should be clamouring for a ceasefire, haven’t I? | |||
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"I am sure that they will go ahead with their "protest". In doing so, they will show the British public exactly what they're really marching for and turn the tide of sympathy against them. Good and decent people are waking up to the realisation that many of these "protestors" real cause is their support for the destruction of the Jewish people and Israel. If they truly want the violence to stop, they should be protesting against Hamas for continuing to hold the hostages. As has been shown by Israel's retaliation, holding the hostages gains them nothing. Releasing them, unharmed, will pave the way for talks of a ceasefire. A lot of the protestors that I have seen and the ones chanting hate, ripping down posters and screaming in peoples faces are mainly young women / girls... Not a clue other than they are on a social media trend. The male contingent seem to be getting deeper and deeper into mimicking the look of a terrorist, and I have a feeling it wont be long before one of them do something as evil as Hamas to be the man. I agree. There is an old Jewish fable. An oryx and a scorpion are trying to escape a flood on the banks of the river Jordan. The oryx is preparing to swim across to escape, when the scorpion asks "I cannot swim, will you save me by carrying me across to safety?" The oryx says "but if I do that, you may sting me and I will die". The scorpion replies "if I do that, we will both die" The oryx sees the sense of this and agrees to carry the scorpion. Halfway across, the scorpion stings the oryx. "Why did you do that, now we both will die?", says the oryx as the poison fills his veins. The reply was "I am a scorpion, it's in my nature". Did the Oryx then go on and kill all the scorpions it could find in revenge? Understandably, the point of the parable has flown way above your head. Both the oryx and the scorpion died because of the violent nature of the scorpion. All Hamas have to do is to transcend their violent nature and release the innocent children, women and men they brutally took hostage, and Israel will agree to talks of a ceasefire. A ceasefire which Hamas will undoubtedly break, like they did the last time, and the time before that, and the time before that, and the time before that ad infinitum. Do you really believe that it's too much to ask that the hostages be released for the violence to stop? Nothing went above my head, it’s a very simple fable, told across many differing religions and societies, with minor differences. I think both sides have a role to play in ceasefire talks and both sides should engage willingly. It’s not a ‘you first’ situation. It’s clear from your stance and from your banner that it pointless engaging with you on the topic. You seem like another who believes Israel can do no wrong, no matter how many innocents die, so I’ll bow out. And it’s far more likely that you missed the point of my response, which was quite apt, given the events in Gaza. This response is wrong on many levels… a person who is in support of Israel is pointless to engage? Who said Israel can do no wrong, you, nobody else. Did you miss the word ‘seem’? It ‘seems’ you perhaps did. “Seem” comes after pointless engaging…. It is pointless engaging with someone so quite clearly biased, using inflammatory language and presenting a very one-sided view on an immensely nuanced subject. I know it’s easy to say Hamas Bad, Israel Good - but it’s not the whole truth, and anyone with an ounce of sense knows that. Like The Troubles here, there are no parties without innocent blood on their hands, and all could and should call for ceasefire ASAP, rather than shoring at the other side to do so from behind a rocket. You are coming across in exactly the same way as you are calling out, biased. You have decided it is not worth engaging with someone with an Israeli flag as their picture. How am I biased, exactly? Because I accept that this is a 75+ year war with immense wrong done by and on both sides? Methinks your understanding of bias is a little out of whack. If you cannot accept that you said it was pointless engaging with someone because they had an Israeli flag as their banner, as you called it, then I have nothing more to say. My, you really do have comprehension issues, don’t you? “It’s clear from your stance and from your banner that it pointless engaging with you on the topic.” Do you know what ‘from your stance’ means? They're stance is they should protest against Hamas. Is that so wild that you wouldn't talk to them? I would ask why their language is so inflammatory and biased, I suppose. What was inflammatory? “All Hamas have to do is to transcend their violent nature and release the innocent children, women and men they brutally took hostage, and Israel will agree to talks of a ceasefire. A ceasefire which Hamas will undoubtedly break, like they did the last time, and the time before that, and the time before that, and the time before that ad infinitum. Do you really believe that it's too much to ask that the hostages be released for the violence to stop?“ The implication that Israel and the IDF bear no responsibility for the continuing war." Emotive, maybe. Not inflammatory. | |||
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"I am sure that they will go ahead with their "protest". In doing so, they will show the British public exactly what they're really marching for and turn the tide of sympathy against them. Good and decent people are waking up to the realisation that many of these "protestors" real cause is their support for the destruction of the Jewish people and Israel. If they truly want the violence to stop, they should be protesting against Hamas for continuing to hold the hostages. As has been shown by Israel's retaliation, holding the hostages gains them nothing. Releasing them, unharmed, will pave the way for talks of a ceasefire. A lot of the protestors that I have seen and the ones chanting hate, ripping down posters and screaming in peoples faces are mainly young women / girls... Not a clue other than they are on a social media trend. The male contingent seem to be getting deeper and deeper into mimicking the look of a terrorist, and I have a feeling it wont be long before one of them do something as evil as Hamas to be the man. I agree. There is an old Jewish fable. An oryx and a scorpion are trying to escape a flood on the banks of the river Jordan. The oryx is preparing to swim across to escape, when the scorpion asks "I cannot swim, will you save me by carrying me across to safety?" The oryx says "but if I do that, you may sting me and I will die". The scorpion replies "if I do that, we will both die" The oryx sees the sense of this and agrees to carry the scorpion. Halfway across, the scorpion stings the oryx. "Why did you do that, now we both will die?", says the oryx as the poison fills his veins. The reply was "I am a scorpion, it's in my nature". Did the Oryx then go on and kill all the scorpions it could find in revenge? Understandably, the point of the parable has flown way above your head. Both the oryx and the scorpion died because of the violent nature of the scorpion. All Hamas have to do is to transcend their violent nature and release the innocent children, women and men they brutally took hostage, and Israel will agree to talks of a ceasefire. A ceasefire which Hamas will undoubtedly break, like they did the last time, and the time before that, and the time before that, and the time before that ad infinitum. Do you really believe that it's too much to ask that the hostages be released for the violence to stop? Nothing went above my head, it’s a very simple fable, told across many differing religions and societies, with minor differences. I think both sides have a role to play in ceasefire talks and both sides should engage willingly. It’s not a ‘you first’ situation. It’s clear from your stance and from your banner that it pointless engaging with you on the topic. You seem like another who believes Israel can do no wrong, no matter how many innocents die, so I’ll bow out. And it’s far more likely that you missed the point of my response, which was quite apt, given the events in Gaza. This response is wrong on many levels… a person who is in support of Israel is pointless to engage? Who said Israel can do no wrong, you, nobody else. Did you miss the word ‘seem’? It ‘seems’ you perhaps did. “Seem” comes after pointless engaging…. It is pointless engaging with someone so quite clearly biased, using inflammatory language and presenting a very one-sided view on an immensely nuanced subject. I know it’s easy to say Hamas Bad, Israel Good - but it’s not the whole truth, and anyone with an ounce of sense knows that. Like The Troubles here, there are no parties without innocent blood on their hands, and all could and should call for ceasefire ASAP, rather than shoring at the other side to do so from behind a rocket. You are coming across in exactly the same way as you are calling out, biased. You have decided it is not worth engaging with someone with an Israeli flag as their picture. How am I biased, exactly? Because I accept that this is a 75+ year war with immense wrong done by and on both sides? Methinks your understanding of bias is a little out of whack. If you cannot accept that you said it was pointless engaging with someone because they had an Israeli flag as their banner, as you called it, then I have nothing more to say. My, you really do have comprehension issues, don’t you? “It’s clear from your stance and from your banner that it pointless engaging with you on the topic.” Do you know what ‘from your stance’ means? They're stance is they should protest against Hamas. Is that so wild that you wouldn't talk to them? I would ask why their language is so inflammatory and biased, I suppose. What was inflammatory? “All Hamas have to do is to transcend their violent nature and release the innocent children, women and men they brutally took hostage, and Israel will agree to talks of a ceasefire. A ceasefire which Hamas will undoubtedly break, like they did the last time, and the time before that, and the time before that, and the time before that ad infinitum. Do you really believe that it's too much to ask that the hostages be released for the violence to stop?“ The implication that Israel and the IDF bear no responsibility for the continuing war. Emotive, maybe. Not inflammatory." Such is the nuance of language. | |||
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"I am sure that they will go ahead with their "protest". In doing so, they will show the British public exactly what they're really marching for and turn the tide of sympathy against them. Good and decent people are waking up to the realisation that many of these "protestors" real cause is their support for the destruction of the Jewish people and Israel. If they truly want the violence to stop, they should be protesting against Hamas for continuing to hold the hostages. As has been shown by Israel's retaliation, holding the hostages gains them nothing. Releasing them, unharmed, will pave the way for talks of a ceasefire. A lot of the protestors that I have seen and the ones chanting hate, ripping down posters and screaming in peoples faces are mainly young women / girls... Not a clue other than they are on a social media trend. The male contingent seem to be getting deeper and deeper into mimicking the look of a terrorist, and I have a feeling it wont be long before one of them do something as evil as Hamas to be the man. I agree. There is an old Jewish fable. An oryx and a scorpion are trying to escape a flood on the banks of the river Jordan. The oryx is preparing to swim across to escape, when the scorpion asks "I cannot swim, will you save me by carrying me across to safety?" The oryx says "but if I do that, you may sting me and I will die". The scorpion replies "if I do that, we will both die" The oryx sees the sense of this and agrees to carry the scorpion. Halfway across, the scorpion stings the oryx. "Why did you do that, now we both will die?", says the oryx as the poison fills his veins. The reply was "I am a scorpion, it's in my nature". Did the Oryx then go on and kill all the scorpions it could find in revenge? Understandably, the point of the parable has flown way above your head. Both the oryx and the scorpion died because of the violent nature of the scorpion. All Hamas have to do is to transcend their violent nature and release the innocent children, women and men they brutally took hostage, and Israel will agree to talks of a ceasefire. A ceasefire which Hamas will undoubtedly break, like they did the last time, and the time before that, and the time before that, and the time before that ad infinitum. Do you really believe that it's too much to ask that the hostages be released for the violence to stop? Nothing went above my head, it’s a very simple fable, told across many differing religions and societies, with minor differences. I think both sides have a role to play in ceasefire talks and both sides should engage willingly. It’s not a ‘you first’ situation. It’s clear from your stance and from your banner that it pointless engaging with you on the topic. You seem like another who believes Israel can do no wrong, no matter how many innocents die, so I’ll bow out. And it’s far more likely that you missed the point of my response, which was quite apt, given the events in Gaza. This response is wrong on many levels… a person who is in support of Israel is pointless to engage? Who said Israel can do no wrong, you, nobody else. Did you miss the word ‘seem’? It ‘seems’ you perhaps did. “Seem” comes after pointless engaging…. It is pointless engaging with someone so quite clearly biased, using inflammatory language and presenting a very one-sided view on an immensely nuanced subject. I know it’s easy to say Hamas Bad, Israel Good - but it’s not the whole truth, and anyone with an ounce of sense knows that. Like The Troubles here, there are no parties without innocent blood on their hands, and all could and should call for ceasefire ASAP, rather than shoring at the other side to do so from behind a rocket. You are coming across in exactly the same way as you are calling out, biased. You have decided it is not worth engaging with someone with an Israeli flag as their picture. Definitely. Anyone with a rational unbiased view is only opposed to Israeli civilian deaths, and refuses to acknowledge the vast number of Palestinian civilians being killed. So you also thinks it's not worth engaging with anyone who supports Israel? Not sure how many times it needs said, 'the left' fo themselves no favours whatsoever
Nobody should support Israel, or indeed Hamas (definitely not Hamas) because it’s not a football match.
We should all urge ceasefire to stop innocent deaths on both sides.
Its perfectly fine to support Israel or Hamas should anyone choose to. You're the one trying to shut people down.
Sure, you can support continued killing of innocent civilians on either side, I guess.
Weird flex, but whatever works for someone."Who's flexing? Is that what it's resorting to again? You have no retort so have to reort to trying to insult. | |||
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"I am sure that they will go ahead with their "protest". In doing so, they will show the British public exactly what they're really marching for and turn the tide of sympathy against them. Good and decent people are waking up to the realisation that many of these "protestors" real cause is their support for the destruction of the Jewish people and Israel. If they truly want the violence to stop, they should be protesting against Hamas for continuing to hold the hostages. As has been shown by Israel's retaliation, holding the hostages gains them nothing. Releasing them, unharmed, will pave the way for talks of a ceasefire. A lot of the protestors that I have seen and the ones chanting hate, ripping down posters and screaming in peoples faces are mainly young women / girls... Not a clue other than they are on a social media trend. The male contingent seem to be getting deeper and deeper into mimicking the look of a terrorist, and I have a feeling it wont be long before one of them do something as evil as Hamas to be the man. I agree. There is an old Jewish fable. An oryx and a scorpion are trying to escape a flood on the banks of the river Jordan. The oryx is preparing to swim across to escape, when the scorpion asks "I cannot swim, will you save me by carrying me across to safety?" The oryx says "but if I do that, you may sting me and I will die". The scorpion replies "if I do that, we will both die" The oryx sees the sense of this and agrees to carry the scorpion. Halfway across, the scorpion stings the oryx. "Why did you do that, now we both will die?", says the oryx as the poison fills his veins. The reply was "I am a scorpion, it's in my nature". Did the Oryx then go on and kill all the scorpions it could find in revenge? Understandably, the point of the parable has flown way above your head. Both the oryx and the scorpion died because of the violent nature of the scorpion. All Hamas have to do is to transcend their violent nature and release the innocent children, women and men they brutally took hostage, and Israel will agree to talks of a ceasefire. A ceasefire which Hamas will undoubtedly break, like they did the last time, and the time before that, and the time before that, and the time before that ad infinitum. Do you really believe that it's too much to ask that the hostages be released for the violence to stop? Nothing went above my head, it’s a very simple fable, told across many differing religions and societies, with minor differences. I think both sides have a role to play in ceasefire talks and both sides should engage willingly. It’s not a ‘you first’ situation. It’s clear from your stance and from your banner that it pointless engaging with you on the topic. You seem like another who believes Israel can do no wrong, no matter how many innocents die, so I’ll bow out. And it’s far more likely that you missed the point of my response, which was quite apt, given the events in Gaza. This response is wrong on many levels… a person who is in support of Israel is pointless to engage? Who said Israel can do no wrong, you, nobody else. Did you miss the word ‘seem’? It ‘seems’ you perhaps did. “Seem” comes after pointless engaging…. It is pointless engaging with someone so quite clearly biased, using inflammatory language and presenting a very one-sided view on an immensely nuanced subject. I know it’s easy to say Hamas Bad, Israel Good - but it’s not the whole truth, and anyone with an ounce of sense knows that. Like The Troubles here, there are no parties without innocent blood on their hands, and all could and should call for ceasefire ASAP, rather than shoring at the other side to do so from behind a rocket. You are coming across in exactly the same way as you are calling out, biased. You have decided it is not worth engaging with someone with an Israeli flag as their picture. How am I biased, exactly? Because I accept that this is a 75+ year war with immense wrong done by and on both sides? Methinks your understanding of bias is a little out of whack. If you cannot accept that you said it was pointless engaging with someone because they had an Israeli flag as their banner, as you called it, then I have nothing more to say. My, you really do have comprehension issues, don’t you? “It’s clear from your stance and from your banner that it pointless engaging with you on the topic.” Do you know what ‘from your stance’ means? They're stance is they should protest against Hamas. Is that so wild that you wouldn't talk to them? I would ask why their language is so inflammatory and biased, I suppose. What was inflammatory? “All Hamas have to do is to transcend their violent nature and release the innocent children, women and men they brutally took hostage, and Israel will agree to talks of a ceasefire. A ceasefire which Hamas will undoubtedly break, like they did the last time, and the time before that, and the time before that, and the time before that ad infinitum. Do you really believe that it's too much to ask that the hostages be released for the violence to stop?“ The implication that Israel and the IDF bear no responsibility for the continuing war. How about answering the question? Is it to much to ask? A cease fire in return for the hostages? I can’t even believe I’m asking that question… I believe I’ve already stated on several occasions that both sides should be clamouring for a ceasefire, haven’t I? " Can you say release the hostages or not for a cease fire. Why are you not committing, if you think they shouldn’t, say it, if you think they should say it. | |||
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"I am sure that they will go ahead with their "protest". In doing so, they will show the British public exactly what they're really marching for and turn the tide of sympathy against them. Good and decent people are waking up to the realisation that many of these "protestors" real cause is their support for the destruction of the Jewish people and Israel. If they truly want the violence to stop, they should be protesting against Hamas for continuing to hold the hostages. As has been shown by Israel's retaliation, holding the hostages gains them nothing. Releasing them, unharmed, will pave the way for talks of a ceasefire. A lot of the protestors that I have seen and the ones chanting hate, ripping down posters and screaming in peoples faces are mainly young women / girls... Not a clue other than they are on a social media trend. The male contingent seem to be getting deeper and deeper into mimicking the look of a terrorist, and I have a feeling it wont be long before one of them do something as evil as Hamas to be the man. I agree. There is an old Jewish fable. An oryx and a scorpion are trying to escape a flood on the banks of the river Jordan. The oryx is preparing to swim across to escape, when the scorpion asks "I cannot swim, will you save me by carrying me across to safety?" The oryx says "but if I do that, you may sting me and I will die". The scorpion replies "if I do that, we will both die" The oryx sees the sense of this and agrees to carry the scorpion. Halfway across, the scorpion stings the oryx. "Why did you do that, now we both will die?", says the oryx as the poison fills his veins. The reply was "I am a scorpion, it's in my nature". Did the Oryx then go on and kill all the scorpions it could find in revenge? Understandably, the point of the parable has flown way above your head. Both the oryx and the scorpion died because of the violent nature of the scorpion. All Hamas have to do is to transcend their violent nature and release the innocent children, women and men they brutally took hostage, and Israel will agree to talks of a ceasefire. A ceasefire which Hamas will undoubtedly break, like they did the last time, and the time before that, and the time before that, and the time before that ad infinitum. Do you really believe that it's too much to ask that the hostages be released for the violence to stop? Nothing went above my head, it’s a very simple fable, told across many differing religions and societies, with minor differences. I think both sides have a role to play in ceasefire talks and both sides should engage willingly. It’s not a ‘you first’ situation. It’s clear from your stance and from your banner that it pointless engaging with you on the topic. You seem like another who believes Israel can do no wrong, no matter how many innocents die, so I’ll bow out. And it’s far more likely that you missed the point of my response, which was quite apt, given the events in Gaza. This response is wrong on many levels… a person who is in support of Israel is pointless to engage? Who said Israel can do no wrong, you, nobody else. Did you miss the word ‘seem’? It ‘seems’ you perhaps did. “Seem” comes after pointless engaging…. It is pointless engaging with someone so quite clearly biased, using inflammatory language and presenting a very one-sided view on an immensely nuanced subject. I know it’s easy to say Hamas Bad, Israel Good - but it’s not the whole truth, and anyone with an ounce of sense knows that. Like The Troubles here, there are no parties without innocent blood on their hands, and all could and should call for ceasefire ASAP, rather than shoring at the other side to do so from behind a rocket. You are coming across in exactly the same way as you are calling out, biased. You have decided it is not worth engaging with someone with an Israeli flag as their picture. Definitely. Anyone with a rational unbiased view is only opposed to Israeli civilian deaths, and refuses to acknowledge the vast number of Palestinian civilians being killed. So you also thinks it's not worth engaging with anyone who supports Israel? Not sure how many times it needs said, 'the left' fo themselves no favours whatsoever
Nobody should support Israel, or indeed Hamas (definitely not Hamas) because it’s not a football match.
We should all urge ceasefire to stop innocent deaths on both sides.
Its perfectly fine to support Israel or Hamas should anyone choose to. You're the one trying to shut people down.
Sure, you can support continued killing of innocent civilians on either side, I guess.
Weird flex, but whatever works for someone.
Who's flexing? Is that what it's resorting to again? You have no retort so have to reort to trying to insult."It is insulting to support a side in seemingly endless war where there are no innocents left except the non-combatants. | |||
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"I am sure that they will go ahead with their "protest". In doing so, they will show the British public exactly what they're really marching for and turn the tide of sympathy against them. Good and decent people are waking up to the realisation that many of these "protestors" real cause is their support for the destruction of the Jewish people and Israel. If they truly want the violence to stop, they should be protesting against Hamas for continuing to hold the hostages. As has been shown by Israel's retaliation, holding the hostages gains them nothing. Releasing them, unharmed, will pave the way for talks of a ceasefire. A lot of the protestors that I have seen and the ones chanting hate, ripping down posters and screaming in peoples faces are mainly young women / girls... Not a clue other than they are on a social media trend. The male contingent seem to be getting deeper and deeper into mimicking the look of a terrorist, and I have a feeling it wont be long before one of them do something as evil as Hamas to be the man. I agree. There is an old Jewish fable. An oryx and a scorpion are trying to escape a flood on the banks of the river Jordan. The oryx is preparing to swim across to escape, when the scorpion asks "I cannot swim, will you save me by carrying me across to safety?" The oryx says "but if I do that, you may sting me and I will die". The scorpion replies "if I do that, we will both die" The oryx sees the sense of this and agrees to carry the scorpion. Halfway across, the scorpion stings the oryx. "Why did you do that, now we both will die?", says the oryx as the poison fills his veins. The reply was "I am a scorpion, it's in my nature". Did the Oryx then go on and kill all the scorpions it could find in revenge? Understandably, the point of the parable has flown way above your head. Both the oryx and the scorpion died because of the violent nature of the scorpion. All Hamas have to do is to transcend their violent nature and release the innocent children, women and men they brutally took hostage, and Israel will agree to talks of a ceasefire. A ceasefire which Hamas will undoubtedly break, like they did the last time, and the time before that, and the time before that, and the time before that ad infinitum. Do you really believe that it's too much to ask that the hostages be released for the violence to stop? Nothing went above my head, it’s a very simple fable, told across many differing religions and societies, with minor differences. I think both sides have a role to play in ceasefire talks and both sides should engage willingly. It’s not a ‘you first’ situation. It’s clear from your stance and from your banner that it pointless engaging with you on the topic. You seem like another who believes Israel can do no wrong, no matter how many innocents die, so I’ll bow out. And it’s far more likely that you missed the point of my response, which was quite apt, given the events in Gaza. This response is wrong on many levels… a person who is in support of Israel is pointless to engage? Who said Israel can do no wrong, you, nobody else. Did you miss the word ‘seem’? It ‘seems’ you perhaps did. “Seem” comes after pointless engaging…. It is pointless engaging with someone so quite clearly biased, using inflammatory language and presenting a very one-sided view on an immensely nuanced subject. I know it’s easy to say Hamas Bad, Israel Good - but it’s not the whole truth, and anyone with an ounce of sense knows that. Like The Troubles here, there are no parties without innocent blood on their hands, and all could and should call for ceasefire ASAP, rather than shoring at the other side to do so from behind a rocket. You are coming across in exactly the same way as you are calling out, biased. You have decided it is not worth engaging with someone with an Israeli flag as their picture. Definitely. Anyone with a rational unbiased view is only opposed to Israeli civilian deaths, and refuses to acknowledge the vast number of Palestinian civilians being killed. So you also thinks it's not worth engaging with anyone who supports Israel? Not sure how many times it needs said, 'the left' fo themselves no favours whatsoever
Nobody should support Israel, or indeed Hamas (definitely not Hamas) because it’s not a football match.
We should all urge ceasefire to stop innocent deaths on both sides.
Its perfectly fine to support Israel or Hamas should anyone choose to. You're the one trying to shut people down.
Sure, you can support continued killing of innocent civilians on either side, I guess.
Weird flex, but whatever works for someone.
Who's flexing? Is that what it's resorting to again? You have no retort so have to reort to trying to insult.
It is insulting to support a side in seemingly endless war where there are no innocents left except the non-combatants.
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"I am sure that they will go ahead with their "protest". In doing so, they will show the British public exactly what they're really marching for and turn the tide of sympathy against them. Good and decent people are waking up to the realisation that many of these "protestors" real cause is their support for the destruction of the Jewish people and Israel. If they truly want the violence to stop, they should be protesting against Hamas for continuing to hold the hostages. As has been shown by Israel's retaliation, holding the hostages gains them nothing. Releasing them, unharmed, will pave the way for talks of a ceasefire. A lot of the protestors that I have seen and the ones chanting hate, ripping down posters and screaming in peoples faces are mainly young women / girls... Not a clue other than they are on a social media trend. The male contingent seem to be getting deeper and deeper into mimicking the look of a terrorist, and I have a feeling it wont be long before one of them do something as evil as Hamas to be the man. I agree. There is an old Jewish fable. An oryx and a scorpion are trying to escape a flood on the banks of the river Jordan. The oryx is preparing to swim across to escape, when the scorpion asks "I cannot swim, will you save me by carrying me across to safety?" The oryx says "but if I do that, you may sting me and I will die". The scorpion replies "if I do that, we will both die" The oryx sees the sense of this and agrees to carry the scorpion. Halfway across, the scorpion stings the oryx. "Why did you do that, now we both will die?", says the oryx as the poison fills his veins. The reply was "I am a scorpion, it's in my nature". Did the Oryx then go on and kill all the scorpions it could find in revenge? Understandably, the point of the parable has flown way above your head. Both the oryx and the scorpion died because of the violent nature of the scorpion. All Hamas have to do is to transcend their violent nature and release the innocent children, women and men they brutally took hostage, and Israel will agree to talks of a ceasefire. A ceasefire which Hamas will undoubtedly break, like they did the last time, and the time before that, and the time before that, and the time before that ad infinitum. Do you really believe that it's too much to ask that the hostages be released for the violence to stop? Nothing went above my head, it’s a very simple fable, told across many differing religions and societies, with minor differences. I think both sides have a role to play in ceasefire talks and both sides should engage willingly. It’s not a ‘you first’ situation. It’s clear from your stance and from your banner that it pointless engaging with you on the topic. You seem like another who believes Israel can do no wrong, no matter how many innocents die, so I’ll bow out. And it’s far more likely that you missed the point of my response, which was quite apt, given the events in Gaza. This response is wrong on many levels… a person who is in support of Israel is pointless to engage? Who said Israel can do no wrong, you, nobody else. Did you miss the word ‘seem’? It ‘seems’ you perhaps did. “Seem” comes after pointless engaging…. It is pointless engaging with someone so quite clearly biased, using inflammatory language and presenting a very one-sided view on an immensely nuanced subject. I know it’s easy to say Hamas Bad, Israel Good - but it’s not the whole truth, and anyone with an ounce of sense knows that. Like The Troubles here, there are no parties without innocent blood on their hands, and all could and should call for ceasefire ASAP, rather than shoring at the other side to do so from behind a rocket. You are coming across in exactly the same way as you are calling out, biased. You have decided it is not worth engaging with someone with an Israeli flag as their picture. How am I biased, exactly? Because I accept that this is a 75+ year war with immense wrong done by and on both sides? Methinks your understanding of bias is a little out of whack. If you cannot accept that you said it was pointless engaging with someone because they had an Israeli flag as their banner, as you called it, then I have nothing more to say. My, you really do have comprehension issues, don’t you? “It’s clear from your stance and from your banner that it pointless engaging with you on the topic.” Do you know what ‘from your stance’ means? They're stance is they should protest against Hamas. Is that so wild that you wouldn't talk to them? I would ask why their language is so inflammatory and biased, I suppose. What was inflammatory? “All Hamas have to do is to transcend their violent nature and release the innocent children, women and men they brutally took hostage, and Israel will agree to talks of a ceasefire. A ceasefire which Hamas will undoubtedly break, like they did the last time, and the time before that, and the time before that, and the time before that ad infinitum. Do you really believe that it's too much to ask that the hostages be released for the violence to stop?“ The implication that Israel and the IDF bear no responsibility for the continuing war. How about answering the question? Is it to much to ask? A cease fire in return for the hostages? I can’t even believe I’m asking that question… I believe I’ve already stated on several occasions that both sides should be clamouring for a ceasefire, haven’t I? Can you say release the hostages or not for a cease fire. Why are you not committing, if you think they shouldn’t, say it, if you think they should say it." I’m not sure how much more I can commit other than saying ‘both sides should clamour for ceasefire’ Do you believe that only one side should be asking that of the other, then? How do you apportion responsibility? | |||
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"I am sure that they will go ahead with their "protest". In doing so, they will show the British public exactly what they're really marching for and turn the tide of sympathy against them. Good and decent people are waking up to the realisation that many of these "protestors" real cause is their support for the destruction of the Jewish people and Israel. If they truly want the violence to stop, they should be protesting against Hamas for continuing to hold the hostages. As has been shown by Israel's retaliation, holding the hostages gains them nothing. Releasing them, unharmed, will pave the way for talks of a ceasefire. A lot of the protestors that I have seen and the ones chanting hate, ripping down posters and screaming in peoples faces are mainly young women / girls... Not a clue other than they are on a social media trend. The male contingent seem to be getting deeper and deeper into mimicking the look of a terrorist, and I have a feeling it wont be long before one of them do something as evil as Hamas to be the man. I agree. There is an old Jewish fable. An oryx and a scorpion are trying to escape a flood on the banks of the river Jordan. The oryx is preparing to swim across to escape, when the scorpion asks "I cannot swim, will you save me by carrying me across to safety?" The oryx says "but if I do that, you may sting me and I will die". The scorpion replies "if I do that, we will both die" The oryx sees the sense of this and agrees to carry the scorpion. Halfway across, the scorpion stings the oryx. "Why did you do that, now we both will die?", says the oryx as the poison fills his veins. The reply was "I am a scorpion, it's in my nature". Did the Oryx then go on and kill all the scorpions it could find in revenge? Understandably, the point of the parable has flown way above your head. Both the oryx and the scorpion died because of the violent nature of the scorpion. All Hamas have to do is to transcend their violent nature and release the innocent children, women and men they brutally took hostage, and Israel will agree to talks of a ceasefire. A ceasefire which Hamas will undoubtedly break, like they did the last time, and the time before that, and the time before that, and the time before that ad infinitum. Do you really believe that it's too much to ask that the hostages be released for the violence to stop? Nothing went above my head, it’s a very simple fable, told across many differing religions and societies, with minor differences. I think both sides have a role to play in ceasefire talks and both sides should engage willingly. It’s not a ‘you first’ situation. It’s clear from your stance and from your banner that it pointless engaging with you on the topic. You seem like another who believes Israel can do no wrong, no matter how many innocents die, so I’ll bow out. And it’s far more likely that you missed the point of my response, which was quite apt, given the events in Gaza. This response is wrong on many levels… a person who is in support of Israel is pointless to engage? Who said Israel can do no wrong, you, nobody else. Did you miss the word ‘seem’? It ‘seems’ you perhaps did. “Seem” comes after pointless engaging…. It is pointless engaging with someone so quite clearly biased, using inflammatory language and presenting a very one-sided view on an immensely nuanced subject. I know it’s easy to say Hamas Bad, Israel Good - but it’s not the whole truth, and anyone with an ounce of sense knows that. Like The Troubles here, there are no parties without innocent blood on their hands, and all could and should call for ceasefire ASAP, rather than shoring at the other side to do so from behind a rocket. You are coming across in exactly the same way as you are calling out, biased. You have decided it is not worth engaging with someone with an Israeli flag as their picture. Definitely. Anyone with a rational unbiased view is only opposed to Israeli civilian deaths, and refuses to acknowledge the vast number of Palestinian civilians being killed. So you also thinks it's not worth engaging with anyone who supports Israel? Not sure how many times it needs said, 'the left' fo themselves no favours whatsoever
Nobody should support Israel, or indeed Hamas (definitely not Hamas) because it’s not a football match.
We should all urge ceasefire to stop innocent deaths on both sides.
Its perfectly fine to support Israel or Hamas should anyone choose to. You're the one trying to shut people down.
Sure, you can support continued killing of innocent civilians on either side, I guess.
Weird flex, but whatever works for someone.
Who's flexing? Is that what it's resorting to again? You have no retort so have to reort to trying to insult.
It is insulting to support a side in seemingly endless war where there are no innocents left except the non-combatants.
I haven't supported anyone. Nor have I insulted you. Do better bud. "I never said you have. But you jumped into the convo I was having with someone who has chosen a side, and said it’s their right to do so. | |||
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"I am sure that they will go ahead with their "protest". In doing so, they will show the British public exactly what they're really marching for and turn the tide of sympathy against them. Good and decent people are waking up to the realisation that many of these "protestors" real cause is their support for the destruction of the Jewish people and Israel. If they truly want the violence to stop, they should be protesting against Hamas for continuing to hold the hostages. As has been shown by Israel's retaliation, holding the hostages gains them nothing. Releasing them, unharmed, will pave the way for talks of a ceasefire. A lot of the protestors that I have seen and the ones chanting hate, ripping down posters and screaming in peoples faces are mainly young women / girls... Not a clue other than they are on a social media trend. The male contingent seem to be getting deeper and deeper into mimicking the look of a terrorist, and I have a feeling it wont be long before one of them do something as evil as Hamas to be the man. I agree. There is an old Jewish fable. An oryx and a scorpion are trying to escape a flood on the banks of the river Jordan. The oryx is preparing to swim across to escape, when the scorpion asks "I cannot swim, will you save me by carrying me across to safety?" The oryx says "but if I do that, you may sting me and I will die". The scorpion replies "if I do that, we will both die" The oryx sees the sense of this and agrees to carry the scorpion. Halfway across, the scorpion stings the oryx. "Why did you do that, now we both will die?", says the oryx as the poison fills his veins. The reply was "I am a scorpion, it's in my nature". Did the Oryx then go on and kill all the scorpions it could find in revenge? Understandably, the point of the parable has flown way above your head. Both the oryx and the scorpion died because of the violent nature of the scorpion. All Hamas have to do is to transcend their violent nature and release the innocent children, women and men they brutally took hostage, and Israel will agree to talks of a ceasefire. A ceasefire which Hamas will undoubtedly break, like they did the last time, and the time before that, and the time before that, and the time before that ad infinitum. Do you really believe that it's too much to ask that the hostages be released for the violence to stop? Nothing went above my head, it’s a very simple fable, told across many differing religions and societies, with minor differences. I think both sides have a role to play in ceasefire talks and both sides should engage willingly. It’s not a ‘you first’ situation. It’s clear from your stance and from your banner that it pointless engaging with you on the topic. You seem like another who believes Israel can do no wrong, no matter how many innocents die, so I’ll bow out. And it’s far more likely that you missed the point of my response, which was quite apt, given the events in Gaza. This response is wrong on many levels… a person who is in support of Israel is pointless to engage? Who said Israel can do no wrong, you, nobody else. Did you miss the word ‘seem’? It ‘seems’ you perhaps did. “Seem” comes after pointless engaging…. It is pointless engaging with someone so quite clearly biased, using inflammatory language and presenting a very one-sided view on an immensely nuanced subject. I know it’s easy to say Hamas Bad, Israel Good - but it’s not the whole truth, and anyone with an ounce of sense knows that. Like The Troubles here, there are no parties without innocent blood on their hands, and all could and should call for ceasefire ASAP, rather than shoring at the other side to do so from behind a rocket. You are coming across in exactly the same way as you are calling out, biased. You have decided it is not worth engaging with someone with an Israeli flag as their picture. Definitely. Anyone with a rational unbiased view is only opposed to Israeli civilian deaths, and refuses to acknowledge the vast number of Palestinian civilians being killed. So you also thinks it's not worth engaging with anyone who supports Israel? Not sure how many times it needs said, 'the left' fo themselves no favours whatsoever
Nobody should support Israel, or indeed Hamas (definitely not Hamas) because it’s not a football match.
We should all urge ceasefire to stop innocent deaths on both sides.
Its perfectly fine to support Israel or Hamas should anyone choose to. You're the one trying to shut people down.
Sure, you can support continued killing of innocent civilians on either side, I guess.
Weird flex, but whatever works for someone.
Who's flexing? Is that what it's resorting to again? You have no retort so have to reort to trying to insult.
It is insulting to support a side in seemingly endless war where there are no innocents left except the non-combatants.
I haven't supported anyone. Nor have I insulted you. Do better bud.
I never said you have. But you jumped into the convo I was having with someone who has chosen a side, and said it’s their right to do so.
"But you weren't, were you? You had already said any conversation would be pointless. Besides, it is their right to support whomever they choose. Are you telling me I'm not allowed to get involved? | |||
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"I am sure that they will go ahead with their "protest". In doing so, they will show the British public exactly what they're really marching for and turn the tide of sympathy against them. Good and decent people are waking up to the realisation that many of these "protestors" real cause is their support for the destruction of the Jewish people and Israel. If they truly want the violence to stop, they should be protesting against Hamas for continuing to hold the hostages. As has been shown by Israel's retaliation, holding the hostages gains them nothing. Releasing them, unharmed, will pave the way for talks of a ceasefire. A lot of the protestors that I have seen and the ones chanting hate, ripping down posters and screaming in peoples faces are mainly young women / girls... Not a clue other than they are on a social media trend. The male contingent seem to be getting deeper and deeper into mimicking the look of a terrorist, and I have a feeling it wont be long before one of them do something as evil as Hamas to be the man. I agree. There is an old Jewish fable. An oryx and a scorpion are trying to escape a flood on the banks of the river Jordan. The oryx is preparing to swim across to escape, when the scorpion asks "I cannot swim, will you save me by carrying me across to safety?" The oryx says "but if I do that, you may sting me and I will die". The scorpion replies "if I do that, we will both die" The oryx sees the sense of this and agrees to carry the scorpion. Halfway across, the scorpion stings the oryx. "Why did you do that, now we both will die?", says the oryx as the poison fills his veins. The reply was "I am a scorpion, it's in my nature". Did the Oryx then go on and kill all the scorpions it could find in revenge? Understandably, the point of the parable has flown way above your head. Both the oryx and the scorpion died because of the violent nature of the scorpion. All Hamas have to do is to transcend their violent nature and release the innocent children, women and men they brutally took hostage, and Israel will agree to talks of a ceasefire. A ceasefire which Hamas will undoubtedly break, like they did the last time, and the time before that, and the time before that, and the time before that ad infinitum. Do you really believe that it's too much to ask that the hostages be released for the violence to stop? Nothing went above my head, it’s a very simple fable, told across many differing religions and societies, with minor differences. I think both sides have a role to play in ceasefire talks and both sides should engage willingly. It’s not a ‘you first’ situation. It’s clear from your stance and from your banner that it pointless engaging with you on the topic. You seem like another who believes Israel can do no wrong, no matter how many innocents die, so I’ll bow out. And it’s far more likely that you missed the point of my response, which was quite apt, given the events in Gaza. This response is wrong on many levels… a person who is in support of Israel is pointless to engage? Who said Israel can do no wrong, you, nobody else. Did you miss the word ‘seem’? It ‘seems’ you perhaps did. “Seem” comes after pointless engaging…. It is pointless engaging with someone so quite clearly biased, using inflammatory language and presenting a very one-sided view on an immensely nuanced subject. I know it’s easy to say Hamas Bad, Israel Good - but it’s not the whole truth, and anyone with an ounce of sense knows that. Like The Troubles here, there are no parties without innocent blood on their hands, and all could and should call for ceasefire ASAP, rather than shoring at the other side to do so from behind a rocket. You are coming across in exactly the same way as you are calling out, biased. You have decided it is not worth engaging with someone with an Israeli flag as their picture. How am I biased, exactly? Because I accept that this is a 75+ year war with immense wrong done by and on both sides? Methinks your understanding of bias is a little out of whack. If you cannot accept that you said it was pointless engaging with someone because they had an Israeli flag as their banner, as you called it, then I have nothing more to say. My, you really do have comprehension issues, don’t you? “It’s clear from your stance and from your banner that it pointless engaging with you on the topic.” Do you know what ‘from your stance’ means? They're stance is they should protest against Hamas. Is that so wild that you wouldn't talk to them? I would ask why their language is so inflammatory and biased, I suppose. What was inflammatory? “All Hamas have to do is to transcend their violent nature and release the innocent children, women and men they brutally took hostage, and Israel will agree to talks of a ceasefire. A ceasefire which Hamas will undoubtedly break, like they did the last time, and the time before that, and the time before that, and the time before that ad infinitum. Do you really believe that it's too much to ask that the hostages be released for the violence to stop?“ The implication that Israel and the IDF bear no responsibility for the continuing war. How about answering the question? Is it to much to ask? A cease fire in return for the hostages? I can’t even believe I’m asking that question… I believe I’ve already stated on several occasions that both sides should be clamouring for a ceasefire, haven’t I? Can you say release the hostages or not for a cease fire. Why are you not committing, if you think they shouldn’t, say it, if you think they should say it. I’m not sure how much more I can commit other than saying ‘both sides should clamour for ceasefire’ Do you believe that only one side should be asking that of the other, then? How do you apportion responsibility?" Does that clamour include Hamas releasing the hostages for a ceasefire? Or do you want Hamas to hold onto the people they took? I’m asking you a question you can’t answer directly, why? | |||
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"I am sure that they will go ahead with their "protest". In doing so, they will show the British public exactly what they're really marching for and turn the tide of sympathy against them. Good and decent people are waking up to the realisation that many of these "protestors" real cause is their support for the destruction of the Jewish people and Israel. If they truly want the violence to stop, they should be protesting against Hamas for continuing to hold the hostages. As has been shown by Israel's retaliation, holding the hostages gains them nothing. Releasing them, unharmed, will pave the way for talks of a ceasefire. A lot of the protestors that I have seen and the ones chanting hate, ripping down posters and screaming in peoples faces are mainly young women / girls... Not a clue other than they are on a social media trend. The male contingent seem to be getting deeper and deeper into mimicking the look of a terrorist, and I have a feeling it wont be long before one of them do something as evil as Hamas to be the man. I agree. There is an old Jewish fable. An oryx and a scorpion are trying to escape a flood on the banks of the river Jordan. The oryx is preparing to swim across to escape, when the scorpion asks "I cannot swim, will you save me by carrying me across to safety?" The oryx says "but if I do that, you may sting me and I will die". The scorpion replies "if I do that, we will both die" The oryx sees the sense of this and agrees to carry the scorpion. Halfway across, the scorpion stings the oryx. "Why did you do that, now we both will die?", says the oryx as the poison fills his veins. The reply was "I am a scorpion, it's in my nature". Did the Oryx then go on and kill all the scorpions it could find in revenge? Understandably, the point of the parable has flown way above your head. Both the oryx and the scorpion died because of the violent nature of the scorpion. All Hamas have to do is to transcend their violent nature and release the innocent children, women and men they brutally took hostage, and Israel will agree to talks of a ceasefire. A ceasefire which Hamas will undoubtedly break, like they did the last time, and the time before that, and the time before that, and the time before that ad infinitum. Do you really believe that it's too much to ask that the hostages be released for the violence to stop? Nothing went above my head, it’s a very simple fable, told across many differing religions and societies, with minor differences. I think both sides have a role to play in ceasefire talks and both sides should engage willingly. It’s not a ‘you first’ situation. It’s clear from your stance and from your banner that it pointless engaging with you on the topic. You seem like another who believes Israel can do no wrong, no matter how many innocents die, so I’ll bow out. And it’s far more likely that you missed the point of my response, which was quite apt, given the events in Gaza. This response is wrong on many levels… a person who is in support of Israel is pointless to engage? Who said Israel can do no wrong, you, nobody else. Did you miss the word ‘seem’? It ‘seems’ you perhaps did. “Seem” comes after pointless engaging…. It is pointless engaging with someone so quite clearly biased, using inflammatory language and presenting a very one-sided view on an immensely nuanced subject. I know it’s easy to say Hamas Bad, Israel Good - but it’s not the whole truth, and anyone with an ounce of sense knows that. Like The Troubles here, there are no parties without innocent blood on their hands, and all could and should call for ceasefire ASAP, rather than shoring at the other side to do so from behind a rocket. You are coming across in exactly the same way as you are calling out, biased. You have decided it is not worth engaging with someone with an Israeli flag as their picture. How am I biased, exactly? Because I accept that this is a 75+ year war with immense wrong done by and on both sides? Methinks your understanding of bias is a little out of whack. If you cannot accept that you said it was pointless engaging with someone because they had an Israeli flag as their banner, as you called it, then I have nothing more to say. My, you really do have comprehension issues, don’t you? “It’s clear from your stance and from your banner that it pointless engaging with you on the topic.” Do you know what ‘from your stance’ means? They're stance is they should protest against Hamas. Is that so wild that you wouldn't talk to them? I would ask why their language is so inflammatory and biased, I suppose. What was inflammatory? “All Hamas have to do is to transcend their violent nature and release the innocent children, women and men they brutally took hostage, and Israel will agree to talks of a ceasefire. A ceasefire which Hamas will undoubtedly break, like they did the last time, and the time before that, and the time before that, and the time before that ad infinitum. Do you really believe that it's too much to ask that the hostages be released for the violence to stop?“ The implication that Israel and the IDF bear no responsibility for the continuing war. How about answering the question? Is it to much to ask? A cease fire in return for the hostages? I can’t even believe I’m asking that question… I believe I’ve already stated on several occasions that both sides should be clamouring for a ceasefire, haven’t I? Can you say release the hostages or not for a cease fire. Why are you not committing, if you think they shouldn’t, say it, if you think they should say it. I’m not sure how much more I can commit other than saying ‘both sides should clamour for ceasefire’ Do you believe that only one side should be asking that of the other, then? How do you apportion responsibility? Does that clamour include Hamas releasing the hostages for a ceasefire? Or do you want Hamas to hold onto the people they took? I’m asking you a question you can’t answer directly, why?" m A ceasefire would naturally involve the return of hostages, I’d have thought that was reasonably obvious. I’m just wondering why people are saying it’s Hamas’ responsibility to put down weapons first, and not either side. It smacks of bias. Again. | |||
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"I am sure that they will go ahead with their "protest". In doing so, they will show the British public exactly what they're really marching for and turn the tide of sympathy against them. Good and decent people are waking up to the realisation that many of these "protestors" real cause is their support for the destruction of the Jewish people and Israel. If they truly want the violence to stop, they should be protesting against Hamas for continuing to hold the hostages. As has been shown by Israel's retaliation, holding the hostages gains them nothing. Releasing them, unharmed, will pave the way for talks of a ceasefire. A lot of the protestors that I have seen and the ones chanting hate, ripping down posters and screaming in peoples faces are mainly young women / girls... Not a clue other than they are on a social media trend. The male contingent seem to be getting deeper and deeper into mimicking the look of a terrorist, and I have a feeling it wont be long before one of them do something as evil as Hamas to be the man. I agree. There is an old Jewish fable. An oryx and a scorpion are trying to escape a flood on the banks of the river Jordan. The oryx is preparing to swim across to escape, when the scorpion asks "I cannot swim, will you save me by carrying me across to safety?" The oryx says "but if I do that, you may sting me and I will die". The scorpion replies "if I do that, we will both die" The oryx sees the sense of this and agrees to carry the scorpion. Halfway across, the scorpion stings the oryx. "Why did you do that, now we both will die?", says the oryx as the poison fills his veins. The reply was "I am a scorpion, it's in my nature". Did the Oryx then go on and kill all the scorpions it could find in revenge? Understandably, the point of the parable has flown way above your head. Both the oryx and the scorpion died because of the violent nature of the scorpion. All Hamas have to do is to transcend their violent nature and release the innocent children, women and men they brutally took hostage, and Israel will agree to talks of a ceasefire. A ceasefire which Hamas will undoubtedly break, like they did the last time, and the time before that, and the time before that, and the time before that ad infinitum. Do you really believe that it's too much to ask that the hostages be released for the violence to stop? Nothing went above my head, it’s a very simple fable, told across many differing religions and societies, with minor differences. I think both sides have a role to play in ceasefire talks and both sides should engage willingly. It’s not a ‘you first’ situation. It’s clear from your stance and from your banner that it pointless engaging with you on the topic. You seem like another who believes Israel can do no wrong, no matter how many innocents die, so I’ll bow out. And it’s far more likely that you missed the point of my response, which was quite apt, given the events in Gaza. This response is wrong on many levels… a person who is in support of Israel is pointless to engage? Who said Israel can do no wrong, you, nobody else. Did you miss the word ‘seem’? It ‘seems’ you perhaps did. “Seem” comes after pointless engaging…. It is pointless engaging with someone so quite clearly biased, using inflammatory language and presenting a very one-sided view on an immensely nuanced subject. I know it’s easy to say Hamas Bad, Israel Good - but it’s not the whole truth, and anyone with an ounce of sense knows that. Like The Troubles here, there are no parties without innocent blood on their hands, and all could and should call for ceasefire ASAP, rather than shoring at the other side to do so from behind a rocket. You are coming across in exactly the same way as you are calling out, biased. You have decided it is not worth engaging with someone with an Israeli flag as their picture. Definitely. Anyone with a rational unbiased view is only opposed to Israeli civilian deaths, and refuses to acknowledge the vast number of Palestinian civilians being killed. So you also thinks it's not worth engaging with anyone who supports Israel? Not sure how many times it needs said, 'the left' fo themselves no favours whatsoever
Nobody should support Israel, or indeed Hamas (definitely not Hamas) because it’s not a football match.
We should all urge ceasefire to stop innocent deaths on both sides.
Its perfectly fine to support Israel or Hamas should anyone choose to. You're the one trying to shut people down.
Sure, you can support continued killing of innocent civilians on either side, I guess.
Weird flex, but whatever works for someone.
Who's flexing? Is that what it's resorting to again? You have no retort so have to reort to trying to insult.
It is insulting to support a side in seemingly endless war where there are no innocents left except the non-combatants.
I haven't supported anyone. Nor have I insulted you. Do better bud.
I never said you have. But you jumped into the convo I was having with someone who has chosen a side, and said it’s their right to do so.
But you weren't, were you? You had already said any conversation would be pointless. Besides, it is their right to support whomever they choose.
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" Who's flexing? Is that what it's resorting to again? You have no retort so have to reort to trying to insult. It is insulting to support a side in seemingly Are you telling me I'm not allowed to get involved? Oh you can get involved, but don’t accuse me of saying things about you that I didn’t say, bud." 'Weird flex' wasn't aimed at me? | |||
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"I am sure that they will go ahead with their "protest". In doing so, they will show the British public exactly what they're really marching for and turn the tide of sympathy against them. Good and decent people are waking up to the realisation that many of these "protestors" real cause is their support for the destruction of the Jewish people and Israel. If they truly want the violence to stop, they should be protesting against Hamas for continuing to hold the hostages. As has been shown by Israel's retaliation, holding the hostages gains them nothing. Releasing them, unharmed, will pave the way for talks of a ceasefire. A lot of the protestors that I have seen and the ones chanting hate, ripping down posters and screaming in peoples faces are mainly young women / girls... Not a clue other than they are on a social media trend. The male contingent seem to be getting deeper and deeper into mimicking the look of a terrorist, and I have a feeling it wont be long before one of them do something as evil as Hamas to be the man. I agree. There is an old Jewish fable. An oryx and a scorpion are trying to escape a flood on the banks of the river Jordan. The oryx is preparing to swim across to escape, when the scorpion asks "I cannot swim, will you save me by carrying me across to safety?" The oryx says "but if I do that, you may sting me and I will die". The scorpion replies "if I do that, we will both die" The oryx sees the sense of this and agrees to carry the scorpion. Halfway across, the scorpion stings the oryx. "Why did you do that, now we both will die?", says the oryx as the poison fills his veins. The reply was "I am a scorpion, it's in my nature". Did the Oryx then go on and kill all the scorpions it could find in revenge? Understandably, the point of the parable has flown way above your head. Both the oryx and the scorpion died because of the violent nature of the scorpion. All Hamas have to do is to transcend their violent nature and release the innocent children, women and men they brutally took hostage, and Israel will agree to talks of a ceasefire. A ceasefire which Hamas will undoubtedly break, like they did the last time, and the time before that, and the time before that, and the time before that ad infinitum. Do you really believe that it's too much to ask that the hostages be released for the violence to stop? Nothing went above my head, it’s a very simple fable, told across many differing religions and societies, with minor differences. I think both sides have a role to play in ceasefire talks and both sides should engage willingly. It’s not a ‘you first’ situation. It’s clear from your stance and from your banner that it pointless engaging with you on the topic. You seem like another who believes Israel can do no wrong, no matter how many innocents die, so I’ll bow out. And it’s far more likely that you missed the point of my response, which was quite apt, given the events in Gaza. This response is wrong on many levels… a person who is in support of Israel is pointless to engage? Who said Israel can do no wrong, you, nobody else. Did you miss the word ‘seem’? It ‘seems’ you perhaps did. “Seem” comes after pointless engaging…. It is pointless engaging with someone so quite clearly biased, using inflammatory language and presenting a very one-sided view on an immensely nuanced subject. I know it’s easy to say Hamas Bad, Israel Good - but it’s not the whole truth, and anyone with an ounce of sense knows that. Like The Troubles here, there are no parties without innocent blood on their hands, and all could and should call for ceasefire ASAP, rather than shoring at the other side to do so from behind a rocket. You are coming across in exactly the same way as you are calling out, biased. You have decided it is not worth engaging with someone with an Israeli flag as their picture. How am I biased, exactly? Because I accept that this is a 75+ year war with immense wrong done by and on both sides? Methinks your understanding of bias is a little out of whack. If you cannot accept that you said it was pointless engaging with someone because they had an Israeli flag as their banner, as you called it, then I have nothing more to say. My, you really do have comprehension issues, don’t you? “It’s clear from your stance and from your banner that it pointless engaging with you on the topic.” Do you know what ‘from your stance’ means? They're stance is they should protest against Hamas. Is that so wild that you wouldn't talk to them? I would ask why their language is so inflammatory and biased, I suppose. What was inflammatory? “All Hamas have to do is to transcend their violent nature and release the innocent children, women and men they brutally took hostage, and Israel will agree to talks of a ceasefire. A ceasefire which Hamas will undoubtedly break, like they did the last time, and the time before that, and the time before that, and the time before that ad infinitum. Do you really believe that it's too much to ask that the hostages be released for the violence to stop?“ The implication that Israel and the IDF bear no responsibility for the continuing war. How about answering the question? Is it to much to ask? A cease fire in return for the hostages? I can’t even believe I’m asking that question… I believe I’ve already stated on several occasions that both sides should be clamouring for a ceasefire, haven’t I? Can you say release the hostages or not for a cease fire. Why are you not committing, if you think they shouldn’t, say it, if you think they should say it. I’m not sure how much more I can commit other than saying ‘both sides should clamour for ceasefire’ Do you believe that only one side should be asking that of the other, then? How do you apportion responsibility? Does that clamour include Hamas releasing the hostages for a ceasefire? Or do you want Hamas to hold onto the people they took? I’m asking you a question you can’t answer directly, why?m A ceasefire would naturally involve the return of hostages, I’d have thought that was reasonably obvious. I’m just wondering why people are saying it’s Hamas’ responsibility to put down weapons first, and not either side. It smacks of bias. Again. " A ceasefire would not naturally be anything. Hamas has started something it can no longer control, they have options, they can choose to hold onto the hostages and that is proving pointless and killing thousands of Palestinians, or they they can approach the table for a ceasefire. 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"I am sure that they will go ahead with their "protest". In doing so, they will show the British public exactly what they're really marching for and turn the tide of sympathy against them. Good and decent people are waking up to the realisation that many of these "protestors" real cause is their support for the destruction of the Jewish people and Israel. If they truly want the violence to stop, they should be protesting against Hamas for continuing to hold the hostages. As has been shown by Israel's retaliation, holding the hostages gains them nothing. Releasing them, unharmed, will pave the way for talks of a ceasefire. A lot of the protestors that I have seen and the ones chanting hate, ripping down posters and screaming in peoples faces are mainly young women / girls... Not a clue other than they are on a social media trend. The male contingent seem to be getting deeper and deeper into mimicking the look of a terrorist, and I have a feeling it wont be long before one of them do something as evil as Hamas to be the man. I agree. There is an old Jewish fable. An oryx and a scorpion are trying to escape a flood on the banks of the river Jordan. The oryx is preparing to swim across to escape, when the scorpion asks "I cannot swim, will you save me by carrying me across to safety?" The oryx says "but if I do that, you may sting me and I will die". The scorpion replies "if I do that, we will both die" The oryx sees the sense of this and agrees to carry the scorpion. Halfway across, the scorpion stings the oryx. "Why did you do that, now we both will die?", says the oryx as the poison fills his veins. The reply was "I am a scorpion, it's in my nature". Did the Oryx then go on and kill all the scorpions it could find in revenge? Understandably, the point of the parable has flown way above your head. Both the oryx and the scorpion died because of the violent nature of the scorpion. All Hamas have to do is to transcend their violent nature and release the innocent children, women and men they brutally took hostage, and Israel will agree to talks of a ceasefire. A ceasefire which Hamas will undoubtedly break, like they did the last time, and the time before that, and the time before that, and the time before that ad infinitum. Do you really believe that it's too much to ask that the hostages be released for the violence to stop? Nothing went above my head, it’s a very simple fable, told across many differing religions and societies, with minor differences. I think both sides have a role to play in ceasefire talks and both sides should engage willingly. It’s not a ‘you first’ situation. It’s clear from your stance and from your banner that it pointless engaging with you on the topic. You seem like another who believes Israel can do no wrong, no matter how many innocents die, so I’ll bow out. And it’s far more likely that you missed the point of my response, which was quite apt, given the events in Gaza. This response is wrong on many levels… a person who is in support of Israel is pointless to engage? Who said Israel can do no wrong, you, nobody else. Did you miss the word ‘seem’? It ‘seems’ you perhaps did. “Seem” comes after pointless engaging…. It is pointless engaging with someone so quite clearly biased, using inflammatory language and presenting a very one-sided view on an immensely nuanced subject. I know it’s easy to say Hamas Bad, Israel Good - but it’s not the whole truth, and anyone with an ounce of sense knows that. Like The Troubles here, there are no parties without innocent blood on their hands, and all could and should call for ceasefire ASAP, rather than shoring at the other side to do so from behind a rocket. You are coming across in exactly the same way as you are calling out, biased. You have decided it is not worth engaging with someone with an Israeli flag as their picture. How am I biased, exactly? Because I accept that this is a 75+ year war with immense wrong done by and on both sides? Methinks your understanding of bias is a little out of whack. If you cannot accept that you said it was pointless engaging with someone because they had an Israeli flag as their banner, as you called it, then I have nothing more to say. My, you really do have comprehension issues, don’t you? “It’s clear from your stance and from your banner that it pointless engaging with you on the topic.” Do you know what ‘from your stance’ means? They're stance is they should protest against Hamas. Is that so wild that you wouldn't talk to them? I would ask why their language is so inflammatory and biased, I suppose. What was inflammatory? “All Hamas have to do is to transcend their violent nature and release the innocent children, women and men they brutally took hostage, and Israel will agree to talks of a ceasefire. A ceasefire which Hamas will undoubtedly break, like they did the last time, and the time before that, and the time before that, and the time before that ad infinitum. Do you really believe that it's too much to ask that the hostages be released for the violence to stop?“ The implication that Israel and the IDF bear no responsibility for the continuing war. How about answering the question? Is it to much to ask? A cease fire in return for the hostages? I can’t even believe I’m asking that question… I believe I’ve already stated on several occasions that both sides should be clamouring for a ceasefire, haven’t I? Can you say release the hostages or not for a cease fire. Why are you not committing, if you think they shouldn’t, say it, if you think they should say it. I’m not sure how much more I can commit other than saying ‘both sides should clamour for ceasefire’ Do you believe that only one side should be asking that of the other, then? How do you apportion responsibility? Does that clamour include Hamas releasing the hostages for a ceasefire? Or do you want Hamas to hold onto the people they took? I’m asking you a question you can’t answer directly, why?m A ceasefire would naturally involve the return of hostages, I’d have thought that was reasonably obvious. I’m just wondering why people are saying it’s Hamas’ responsibility to put down weapons first, and not either side. It smacks of bias. Again. A ceasefire would not naturally be anything. Hamas has started something it can no longer control, they have options, they can choose to hold onto the hostages and that is proving pointless and killing thousands of Palestinians, or they they can approach the table for a ceasefire. That ceasefire is not going to happen unless they release the hostages they took. Do I need to spell this out to you? " You’re the one who’s pretended I’ve said things I haven’t, accused me of bias when you’re only displaying it yourself, and accused me of not answering a question that I’d answered twice previously. I’m not sure you’re in a position to spell anything out. | |||
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"Be interested to hear people's thoughts? My personal view is, whilst I support free speech and the right to protest against injustice or against something that people feel strongly about. I personally think the timing is very poor and they are being disrespectful, obviously someone is being very smart and they are going to gain maximum attention, but it's going to attract the wrong people sort of attention. " Similar here. I think it's fine so long as they keep well away from monuments of remembrance but obviously they won't.... | |||
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"I am sure that they will go ahead with their "protest". In doing so, they will show the British public exactly what they're really marching for and turn the tide of sympathy against them. Good and decent people are waking up to the realisation that many of these "protestors" real cause is their support for the destruction of the Jewish people and Israel. If they truly want the violence to stop, they should be protesting against Hamas for continuing to hold the hostages. As has been shown by Israel's retaliation, holding the hostages gains them nothing. Releasing them, unharmed, will pave the way for talks of a ceasefire. A lot of the protestors that I have seen and the ones chanting hate, ripping down posters and screaming in peoples faces are mainly young women / girls... Not a clue other than they are on a social media trend. The male contingent seem to be getting deeper and deeper into mimicking the look of a terrorist, and I have a feeling it wont be long before one of them do something as evil as Hamas to be the man. I agree. There is an old Jewish fable. An oryx and a scorpion are trying to escape a flood on the banks of the river Jordan. The oryx is preparing to swim across to escape, when the scorpion asks "I cannot swim, will you save me by carrying me across to safety?" The oryx says "but if I do that, you may sting me and I will die". The scorpion replies "if I do that, we will both die" The oryx sees the sense of this and agrees to carry the scorpion. Halfway across, the scorpion stings the oryx. "Why did you do that, now we both will die?", says the oryx as the poison fills his veins. The reply was "I am a scorpion, it's in my nature". Did the Oryx then go on and kill all the scorpions it could find in revenge? Understandably, the point of the parable has flown way above your head. Both the oryx and the scorpion died because of the violent nature of the scorpion. All Hamas have to do is to transcend their violent nature and release the innocent children, women and men they brutally took hostage, and Israel will agree to talks of a ceasefire. A ceasefire which Hamas will undoubtedly break, like they did the last time, and the time before that, and the time before that, and the time before that ad infinitum. Do you really believe that it's too much to ask that the hostages be released for the violence to stop? Nothing went above my head, it’s a very simple fable, told across many differing religions and societies, with minor differences. I think both sides have a role to play in ceasefire talks and both sides should engage willingly. It’s not a ‘you first’ situation. It’s clear from your stance and from your banner that it pointless engaging with you on the topic. You seem like another who believes Israel can do no wrong, no matter how many innocents die, so I’ll bow out. And it’s far more likely that you missed the point of my response, which was quite apt, given the events in Gaza. This response is wrong on many levels… a person who is in support of Israel is pointless to engage? Who said Israel can do no wrong, you, nobody else. Did you miss the word ‘seem’? It ‘seems’ you perhaps did. “Seem” comes after pointless engaging…. It is pointless engaging with someone so quite clearly biased, using inflammatory language and presenting a very one-sided view on an immensely nuanced subject. I know it’s easy to say Hamas Bad, Israel Good - but it’s not the whole truth, and anyone with an ounce of sense knows that. Like The Troubles here, there are no parties without innocent blood on their hands, and all could and should call for ceasefire ASAP, rather than shoring at the other side to do so from behind a rocket. You are coming across in exactly the same way as you are calling out, biased. You have decided it is not worth engaging with someone with an Israeli flag as their picture. How am I biased, exactly? Because I accept that this is a 75+ year war with immense wrong done by and on both sides? Methinks your understanding of bias is a little out of whack. If you cannot accept that you said it was pointless engaging with someone because they had an Israeli flag as their banner, as you called it, then I have nothing more to say. My, you really do have comprehension issues, don’t you? “It’s clear from your stance and from your banner that it pointless engaging with you on the topic.” Do you know what ‘from your stance’ means? They're stance is they should protest against Hamas. Is that so wild that you wouldn't talk to them? I would ask why their language is so inflammatory and biased, I suppose. What was inflammatory? “All Hamas have to do is to transcend their violent nature and release the innocent children, women and men they brutally took hostage, and Israel will agree to talks of a ceasefire. A ceasefire which Hamas will undoubtedly break, like they did the last time, and the time before that, and the time before that, and the time before that ad infinitum. Do you really believe that it's too much to ask that the hostages be released for the violence to stop?“ The implication that Israel and the IDF bear no responsibility for the continuing war. How about answering the question? Is it to much to ask? A cease fire in return for the hostages? I can’t even believe I’m asking that question… I believe I’ve already stated on several occasions that both sides should be clamouring for a ceasefire, haven’t I? Can you say release the hostages or not for a cease fire. Why are you not committing, if you think they shouldn’t, say it, if you think they should say it. I’m not sure how much more I can commit other than saying ‘both sides should clamour for ceasefire’ Do you believe that only one side should be asking that of the other, then? How do you apportion responsibility? Does that clamour include Hamas releasing the hostages for a ceasefire? Or do you want Hamas to hold onto the people they took? I’m asking you a question you can’t answer directly, why?m A ceasefire would naturally involve the return of hostages, I’d have thought that was reasonably obvious. I’m just wondering why people are saying it’s Hamas’ responsibility to put down weapons first, and not either side. It smacks of bias. Again. A ceasefire would not naturally be anything. Hamas has started something it can no longer control, they have options, they can choose to hold onto the hostages and that is proving pointless and killing thousands of Palestinians, or they they can approach the table for a ceasefire. 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" If the Pro Hamas marchers want to march, they will do so. The police won’t have the guts or capability to do anything to stop it. Is showing support for Palestine the same as being pro-hamas, in your opinion? " Yes to the Daily Mail and Sun headline readers with very little understanding and a lot of gammon rage | |||
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"I support free speech, but it is a tricky one as I dont agree with what they think of israel and the terrorism from hamas." The interview with mosab hassan yousef was interesting, he were the eldest son of one of the co founders of hamas, he had a great insight into hamas. | |||
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" If the Pro Hamas marchers want to march, they will do so. The police won’t have the guts or capability to do anything to stop it. Is showing support for Palestine the same as being pro-hamas, in your opinion? Yes to the Daily Mail and Sun headline readers with very little understanding and a lot of gammon rage" We all understand perfectly well what the Left’s weird fixation with Israel is about. | |||
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" If the Pro Hamas marchers want to march, they will do so. The police won’t have the guts or capability to do anything to stop it. Is showing support for Palestine the same as being pro-hamas, in your opinion? Yes to the Daily Mail and Sun headline readers with very little understanding and a lot of gammon rage We all understand perfectly well what the Left’s weird fixation with Israel is about." Do we? Please explain to us? | |||
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"There is nothing that the police or politicians can do about it. If the Pro Hamas marchers want to march, they will do so. The police won’t have the guts or capability to do anything to stop it. " If there pro hammas instead of pro palistinian there absolutely would the capability to stop it. | |||
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" If the Pro Hamas marchers want to march, they will do so. The police won’t have the guts or capability to do anything to stop it. Is showing support for Palestine the same as being pro-hamas, in your opinion? Yes to the Daily Mail and Sun headline readers with very little understanding and a lot of gammon rage We all understand perfectly well what the Left’s weird fixation with Israel is about. Do we? Please explain to us?" It's war Hamas attacked. IDF is getting their retribution. They have one demand to stop the carnage. Can you tell us what it is or are you blind? So you agree that Hamas should hold out and let Hamas do what they wish to Palestinians because it benefits them. The IDF let Jordan airdrop supplies to the Palestinians today. Hamas just hides under the Palestinians and uses them to their benefit. Then you get outraged because people die. Guess what it's war . Shouldn't you be outraged that Hamas is using them as shields to elicit your response? Yes it's a left ideology everyone should just get along... Guess what clearly they are not. | |||
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"There is nothing that the police or politicians can do about it. If the Pro Hamas marchers want to march, they will do so. The police won’t have the guts or capability to do anything to stop it. If there pro hammas instead of pro palistinian there absolutely would the capability to stop it." Do you think? You can see the Met laying into a group of Muslims with batons and full riot gear? I don’t think so. | |||
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" If the Pro Hamas marchers want to march, they will do so. The police won’t have the guts or capability to do anything to stop it. Is showing support for Palestine the same as being pro-hamas, in your opinion? Yes to the Daily Mail and Sun headline readers with very little understanding and a lot of gammon rage We all understand perfectly well what the Left’s weird fixation with Israel is about. Do we? Please explain to us? It's war Hamas attacked. IDF is getting their retribution. They have one demand to stop the carnage. Can you tell us what it is or are you blind? So you agree that Hamas should hold out and let Hamas do what they wish to Palestinians because it benefits them. The IDF let Jordan airdrop supplies to the Palestinians today. Hamas just hides under the Palestinians and uses them to their benefit. Then you get outraged because people die. Guess what it's war . Shouldn't you be outraged that Hamas is using them as shields to elicit your response? Yes it's a left ideology everyone should just get along... Guess what clearly they are not." Errr.. I asked what the guy meant by the left having an obsession with Israel. | |||
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" If the Pro Hamas marchers want to march, they will do so. The police won’t have the guts or capability to do anything to stop it. Is showing support for Palestine the same as being pro-hamas, in your opinion? Yes to the Daily Mail and Sun headline readers with very little understanding and a lot of gammon rage We all understand perfectly well what the Left’s weird fixation with Israel is about." Yes only the loony left woke socialists are opposed to mass murdering civilians. | |||
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" If the Pro Hamas marchers want to march, they will do so. The police won’t have the guts or capability to do anything to stop it. Is showing support for Palestine the same as being pro-hamas, in your opinion? Yes to the Daily Mail and Sun headline readers with very little understanding and a lot of gammon rage We all understand perfectly well what the Left’s weird fixation with Israel is about. Do we? Please explain to us? It's war Hamas attacked. IDF is getting their retribution. They have one demand to stop the carnage. Can you tell us what it is or are you blind? So you agree that Hamas should hold out and let Hamas do what they wish to Palestinians because it benefits them. The IDF let Jordan airdrop supplies to the Palestinians today. Hamas just hides under the Palestinians and uses them to their benefit. Then you get outraged because people die. Guess what it's war . Shouldn't you be outraged that Hamas is using them as shields to elicit your response? Yes it's a left ideology everyone should just get along... Guess what clearly they are not." And in answer to your question, in mmm outraged by all civilian innocent deaths, not just those on one side or another. I don’t support hamas. I also don’t support bombing innocent people. If the IDF want to put boots on the ground to wipe out terrorists, that’s fine with me. I have a problem when I see children maimed by bombs though. Don’t you? | |||
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" If the Pro Hamas marchers want to march, they will do so. The police won’t have the guts or capability to do anything to stop it. Is showing support for Palestine the same as being pro-hamas, in your opinion? Yes to the Daily Mail and Sun headline readers with very little understanding and a lot of gammon rage We all understand perfectly well what the Left’s weird fixation with Israel is about. Yes only the loony left woke socialists are opposed to mass murdering civilians. "Hamas seems to support it don't you think? The one you want to keep in power. | |||
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" If the Pro Hamas marchers want to march, they will do so. The police won’t have the guts or capability to do anything to stop it. Is showing support for Palestine the same as being pro-hamas, in your opinion? Yes to the Daily Mail and Sun headline readers with very little understanding and a lot of gammon rage We all understand perfectly well what the Left’s weird fixation with Israel is about. Yes only the loony left woke socialists are opposed to mass murdering civilians. Hamas seems to support it don't you think? The one you want to keep in power."Blu, can you point to a single post on this thread if any other, where anyone has expressed support for Hamas? Just one. Find just one. | |||
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" If the Pro Hamas marchers want to march, they will do so. The police won’t have the guts or capability to do anything to stop it. Is showing support for Palestine the same as being pro-hamas, in your opinion? Yes to the Daily Mail and Sun headline readers with very little understanding and a lot of gammon rage We all understand perfectly well what the Left’s weird fixation with Israel is about. Yes only the loony left woke socialists are opposed to mass murdering civilians. Hamas seems to support it don't you think?
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"A ceasefire shouldn't even be a debate, Netanyahu should be in chains, a zionist monster!!We can condemn hamas and label them as terrorists but i don't hear IDF being labelled as terrorists by MSM. The propaganda machine is in overdrive. It's easy to sit on the fence and call for peace and use the old both sides are as bad as each other but it couldn't be further from the truth. Israel is an apartheid state, with one of the worlds most powerful heavily funded armys and it has been committing war crimes since the occupation. There are good decent jewish people who condemn the israeli government and the IDFs crimes but the media coverage of their views will be limited. The people of palestine deserve not only peace but equality and the right to live in a land that was ALWAYS theirs." I don't think there should be a ceasefire. But Israel should stop air strikes immediately as the amount of civilians killed if accurate is disgusting. | |||
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"Every one is entitled to protest but given the date that they want and the concerns around the cenotaph I'd allow it but in a different area out of the way. This.. Their protests whatever people think are nothing to do with the actual event regardless of the pathetic attempts by the current Government to link them.." It has everything to do with it given that prominent Muslims are blaming the British Mandate on Palestine and the defeat of the Ottoman Turks (both WW1) for the beginning of the problems in Palestine.That is why they want to protest armistice and disrupt the silence,they have admitted it,or are you on another planet?probably Gary Lineker planet,or the Biased Broadcasting Corporation backed up by the Guardian. | |||
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"Every one is entitled to protest but given the date that they want and the concerns around the cenotaph I'd allow it but in a different area out of the way. This.. Their protests whatever people think are nothing to do with the actual event regardless of the pathetic attempts by the current Government to link them.. It has everything to do with it given that prominent Muslims are blaming the British Mandate on Palestine and the defeat of the Ottoman Turks (both WW1) for the beginning of the problems in Palestine.That is why they want to protest armistice and disrupt the silence,they have admitted it,or are you on another planet?probably Gary Lineker planet,or the Biased Broadcasting Corporation backed up by the Guardian." 99% of people don't know the actual history or why the Jewish people where settled there in the British Mandate. | |||
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" If the Pro Hamas marchers want to march, they will do so. The police won’t have the guts or capability to do anything to stop it. Is showing support for Palestine the same as being pro-hamas, in your opinion? Yes to the Daily Mail and Sun headline readers with very little understanding and a lot of gammon rage We all understand perfectly well what the Left’s weird fixation with Israel is about. Yes only the loony left woke socialists are opposed to mass murdering civilians. Hamas seems to support it don't you think? The one you want to keep in power.
Blu, can you point to a single post on this thread if any other, where anyone has expressed support for Hamas?
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"I am sure that they will go ahead with their "protest". In doing so, they will show the British public exactly what they're really marching for and turn the tide of sympathy against them. Good and decent people are waking up to the realisation that many of these "protestors" real cause is their support for the destruction of the Jewish people and Israel. If they truly want the violence to stop, they should be protesting against Hamas for continuing to hold the hostages. As has been shown by Israel's retaliation, holding the hostages gains them nothing. Releasing them, unharmed, will pave the way for talks of a ceasefire. A lot of the protestors that I have seen and the ones chanting hate, ripping down posters and screaming in peoples faces are mainly young women / girls... Not a clue other than they are on a social media trend. The male contingent seem to be getting deeper and deeper into mimicking the look of a terrorist, and I have a feeling it wont be long before one of them do something as evil as Hamas to be the man. I agree. There is an old Jewish fable. An oryx and a scorpion are trying to escape a flood on the banks of the river Jordan. The oryx is preparing to swim across to escape, when the scorpion asks "I cannot swim, will you save me by carrying me across to safety?" The oryx says "but if I do that, you may sting me and I will die". The scorpion replies "if I do that, we will both die" The oryx sees the sense of this and agrees to carry the scorpion. Halfway across, the scorpion stings the oryx. "Why did you do that, now we both will die?", says the oryx as the poison fills his veins. The reply was "I am a scorpion, it's in my nature". Did the Oryx then go on and kill all the scorpions it could find in revenge? Understandably, the point of the parable has flown way above your head. Both the oryx and the scorpion died because of the violent nature of the scorpion. All Hamas have to do is to transcend their violent nature and release the innocent children, women and men they brutally took hostage, and Israel will agree to talks of a ceasefire. A ceasefire which Hamas will undoubtedly break, like they did the last time, and the time before that, and the time before that, and the time before that ad infinitum. Do you really believe that it's too much to ask that the hostages be released for the violence to stop? Nothing went above my head, it’s a very simple fable, told across many differing religions and societies, with minor differences. I think both sides have a role to play in ceasefire talks and both sides should engage willingly. It’s not a ‘you first’ situation. It’s clear from your stance and from your banner that it pointless engaging with you on the topic. You seem like another who believes Israel can do no wrong, no matter how many innocents die, so I’ll bow out. And it’s far more likely that you missed the point of my response, which was quite apt, given the events in Gaza. This response is wrong on many levels… a person who is in support of Israel is pointless to engage? Who said Israel can do no wrong, you, nobody else. Did you miss the word ‘seem’? It ‘seems’ you perhaps did. “Seem” comes after pointless engaging…. It is pointless engaging with someone so quite clearly biased, using inflammatory language and presenting a very one-sided view on an immensely nuanced subject. I know it’s easy to say Hamas Bad, Israel Good - but it’s not the whole truth, and anyone with an ounce of sense knows that. Like The Troubles here, there are no parties without innocent blood on their hands, and all could and should call for ceasefire ASAP, rather than shoring at the other side to do so from behind a rocket. You are coming across in exactly the same way as you are calling out, biased. You have decided it is not worth engaging with someone with an Israeli flag as their picture. How am I biased, exactly? Because I accept that this is a 75+ year war with immense wrong done by and on both sides? Methinks your understanding of bias is a little out of whack. If you cannot accept that you said it was pointless engaging with someone because they had an Israeli flag as their banner, as you called it, then I have nothing more to say. My, you really do have comprehension issues, don’t you? “It’s clear from your stance and from your banner that it pointless engaging with you on the topic.” Do you know what ‘from your stance’ means? They're stance is they should protest against Hamas. Is that so wild that you wouldn't talk to them? I would ask why their language is so inflammatory and biased, I suppose. What was inflammatory? “All Hamas have to do is to transcend their violent nature and release the innocent children, women and men they brutally took hostage, and Israel will agree to talks of a ceasefire. A ceasefire which Hamas will undoubtedly break, like they did the last time, and the time before that, and the time before that, and the time before that ad infinitum. Do you really believe that it's too much to ask that the hostages be released for the violence to stop?“ The implication that Israel and the IDF bear no responsibility for the continuing war. How about answering the question? Is it to much to ask? A cease fire in return for the hostages? I can’t even believe I’m asking that question…" No they shouldn’t release them, Negotiation should be those taken by Hamas for those taken in the West Bank. They are one & the same, innocents, no charges made & dragged off the streets. Once both sides give up their hostages then they can talk about a ceasefire. S | |||
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"I am sure that they will go ahead with their "protest". In doing so, they will show the British public exactly what they're really marching for and turn the tide of sympathy against them. Good and decent people are waking up to the realisation that many of these "protestors" real cause is their support for the destruction of the Jewish people and Israel. If they truly want the violence to stop, they should be protesting against Hamas for continuing to hold the hostages. As has been shown by Israel's retaliation, holding the hostages gains them nothing. Releasing them, unharmed, will pave the way for talks of a ceasefire. A lot of the protestors that I have seen and the ones chanting hate, ripping down posters and screaming in peoples faces are mainly young women / girls... Not a clue other than they are on a social media trend. The male contingent seem to be getting deeper and deeper into mimicking the look of a terrorist, and I have a feeling it wont be long before one of them do something as evil as Hamas to be the man. I agree. There is an old Jewish fable. An oryx and a scorpion are trying to escape a flood on the banks of the river Jordan. The oryx is preparing to swim across to escape, when the scorpion asks "I cannot swim, will you save me by carrying me across to safety?" The oryx says "but if I do that, you may sting me and I will die". The scorpion replies "if I do that, we will both die" The oryx sees the sense of this and agrees to carry the scorpion. Halfway across, the scorpion stings the oryx. "Why did you do that, now we both will die?", says the oryx as the poison fills his veins. The reply was "I am a scorpion, it's in my nature". Did the Oryx then go on and kill all the scorpions it could find in revenge? Understandably, the point of the parable has flown way above your head. Both the oryx and the scorpion died because of the violent nature of the scorpion. All Hamas have to do is to transcend their violent nature and release the innocent children, women and men they brutally took hostage, and Israel will agree to talks of a ceasefire. A ceasefire which Hamas will undoubtedly break, like they did the last time, and the time before that, and the time before that, and the time before that ad infinitum. Do you really believe that it's too much to ask that the hostages be released for the violence to stop? Nothing went above my head, it’s a very simple fable, told across many differing religions and societies, with minor differences. I think both sides have a role to play in ceasefire talks and both sides should engage willingly. It’s not a ‘you first’ situation. It’s clear from your stance and from your banner that it pointless engaging with you on the topic. You seem like another who believes Israel can do no wrong, no matter how many innocents die, so I’ll bow out. And it’s far more likely that you missed the point of my response, which was quite apt, given the events in Gaza. This response is wrong on many levels… a person who is in support of Israel is pointless to engage? Who said Israel can do no wrong, you, nobody else. Did you miss the word ‘seem’? It ‘seems’ you perhaps did. “Seem” comes after pointless engaging…. It is pointless engaging with someone so quite clearly biased, using inflammatory language and presenting a very one-sided view on an immensely nuanced subject. I know it’s easy to say Hamas Bad, Israel Good - but it’s not the whole truth, and anyone with an ounce of sense knows that. Like The Troubles here, there are no parties without innocent blood on their hands, and all could and should call for ceasefire ASAP, rather than shoring at the other side to do so from behind a rocket. You are coming across in exactly the same way as you are calling out, biased. You have decided it is not worth engaging with someone with an Israeli flag as their picture. How am I biased, exactly? Because I accept that this is a 75+ year war with immense wrong done by and on both sides? Methinks your understanding of bias is a little out of whack. If you cannot accept that you said it was pointless engaging with someone because they had an Israeli flag as their banner, as you called it, then I have nothing more to say. My, you really do have comprehension issues, don’t you? “It’s clear from your stance and from your banner that it pointless engaging with you on the topic.” Do you know what ‘from your stance’ means? They're stance is they should protest against Hamas. Is that so wild that you wouldn't talk to them? I would ask why their language is so inflammatory and biased, I suppose. What was inflammatory? “All Hamas have to do is to transcend their violent nature and release the innocent children, women and men they brutally took hostage, and Israel will agree to talks of a ceasefire. A ceasefire which Hamas will undoubtedly break, like they did the last time, and the time before that, and the time before that, and the time before that ad infinitum. Do you really believe that it's too much to ask that the hostages be released for the violence to stop?“ The implication that Israel and the IDF bear no responsibility for the continuing war. How about answering the question? Is it to much to ask? A cease fire in return for the hostages? I can’t even believe I’m asking that question… No they shouldn’t release them, Negotiation should be those taken by Hamas for those taken in the West Bank. They are one & the same, innocents, no charges made & dragged off the streets. Once both sides give up their hostages then they can talk about a ceasefire. 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"I am sure that they will go ahead with their "protest". In doing so, they will show the British public exactly what they're really marching for and turn the tide of sympathy against them. Good and decent people are waking up to the realisation that many of these "protestors" real cause is their support for the destruction of the Jewish people and Israel. If they truly want the violence to stop, they should be protesting against Hamas for continuing to hold the hostages. As has been shown by Israel's retaliation, holding the hostages gains them nothing. Releasing them, unharmed, will pave the way for talks of a ceasefire. A lot of the protestors that I have seen and the ones chanting hate, ripping down posters and screaming in peoples faces are mainly young women / girls... Not a clue other than they are on a social media trend. The male contingent seem to be getting deeper and deeper into mimicking the look of a terrorist, and I have a feeling it wont be long before one of them do something as evil as Hamas to be the man. I agree. There is an old Jewish fable. An oryx and a scorpion are trying to escape a flood on the banks of the river Jordan. The oryx is preparing to swim across to escape, when the scorpion asks "I cannot swim, will you save me by carrying me across to safety?" The oryx says "but if I do that, you may sting me and I will die". The scorpion replies "if I do that, we will both die" The oryx sees the sense of this and agrees to carry the scorpion. Halfway across, the scorpion stings the oryx. "Why did you do that, now we both will die?", says the oryx as the poison fills his veins. The reply was "I am a scorpion, it's in my nature". Did the Oryx then go on and kill all the scorpions it could find in revenge? Understandably, the point of the parable has flown way above your head. Both the oryx and the scorpion died because of the violent nature of the scorpion. All Hamas have to do is to transcend their violent nature and release the innocent children, women and men they brutally took hostage, and Israel will agree to talks of a ceasefire. A ceasefire which Hamas will undoubtedly break, like they did the last time, and the time before that, and the time before that, and the time before that ad infinitum. Do you really believe that it's too much to ask that the hostages be released for the violence to stop? Nothing went above my head, it’s a very simple fable, told across many differing religions and societies, with minor differences. I think both sides have a role to play in ceasefire talks and both sides should engage willingly. It’s not a ‘you first’ situation. It’s clear from your stance and from your banner that it pointless engaging with you on the topic. You seem like another who believes Israel can do no wrong, no matter how many innocents die, so I’ll bow out. And it’s far more likely that you missed the point of my response, which was quite apt, given the events in Gaza. This response is wrong on many levels… a person who is in support of Israel is pointless to engage? Who said Israel can do no wrong, you, nobody else. Did you miss the word ‘seem’? It ‘seems’ you perhaps did. “Seem” comes after pointless engaging…. It is pointless engaging with someone so quite clearly biased, using inflammatory language and presenting a very one-sided view on an immensely nuanced subject. I know it’s easy to say Hamas Bad, Israel Good - but it’s not the whole truth, and anyone with an ounce of sense knows that. Like The Troubles here, there are no parties without innocent blood on their hands, and all could and should call for ceasefire ASAP, rather than shoring at the other side to do so from behind a rocket. You are coming across in exactly the same way as you are calling out, biased. You have decided it is not worth engaging with someone with an Israeli flag as their picture. How am I biased, exactly? Because I accept that this is a 75+ year war with immense wrong done by and on both sides? Methinks your understanding of bias is a little out of whack. If you cannot accept that you said it was pointless engaging with someone because they had an Israeli flag as their banner, as you called it, then I have nothing more to say. My, you really do have comprehension issues, don’t you? “It’s clear from your stance and from your banner that it pointless engaging with you on the topic.” Do you know what ‘from your stance’ means? They're stance is they should protest against Hamas. Is that so wild that you wouldn't talk to them? I would ask why their language is so inflammatory and biased, I suppose. What was inflammatory? “All Hamas have to do is to transcend their violent nature and release the innocent children, women and men they brutally took hostage, and Israel will agree to talks of a ceasefire. A ceasefire which Hamas will undoubtedly break, like they did the last time, and the time before that, and the time before that, and the time before that ad infinitum. Do you really believe that it's too much to ask that the hostages be released for the violence to stop?“ The implication that Israel and the IDF bear no responsibility for the continuing war. How about answering the question? Is it to much to ask? A cease fire in return for the hostages? I can’t even believe I’m asking that question… No they shouldn’t release them, Negotiation should be those taken by Hamas for those taken in the West Bank. They are one & the same, innocents, no charges made & dragged off the streets. Once both sides give up their hostages then they can talk about a ceasefire. S Then I guess you are fine with the carnage. IDF won't back down neither will Hamas. So it's going to be the status quo." So Hamas not giving their hostages is bad but Israel not giving up theirs means only “I” or they are responsible for the carnage? Get real. Both sides are like boxes of matches. Israel led by BN have been taking them one out at a time & lighting them under Palestinians finger nails for years. Every time you guys & girls put him in power the situation gets worse but here we are with him calling the shots again for what the third or fourth time? No one who wants peace in the region would ever vote for him just the same as no one would vote for Hamas, here’s the thing though Hamas grabbed power from a vacuum but in the original run offs they only got 15% BN got 30% in the Israeli election but we are told its Palestinians fault for letting Hamas in & they are the warmongers? Did you expect anything less than you are getting from Benny? All that has happened is Hamas lit all their matches at once. The result overall is the same, two warmongering units who cannot stand each other & think they can do no wrong because they have their God. I have no wish to meet anyone in my life who thinks they are so right that so much wrong can be done in their name & yet feel no guilt about it. S | |||
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" If the Pro Hamas marchers want to march, they will do so. The police won’t have the guts or capability to do anything to stop it. Is showing support for Palestine the same as being pro-hamas, in your opinion? Yes to the Daily Mail and Sun headline readers with very little understanding and a lot of gammon rage We all understand perfectly well what the Left’s weird fixation with Israel is about. Yes only the loony left woke socialists are opposed to mass murdering civilians. Hamas seems to support it don't you think? The one you want to keep in power.
Blu, can you point to a single post on this thread if any other, where anyone has expressed support for Hamas?
Just one. Find just one.
At the top of what you quoted it looks like someone is saying its fine for people to protest in support of hammas."No, that’s from a right winger saying the pro Palestine marches are pro hamas - which is demonstrably untrue. | |||
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"I am sure that they will go ahead with their "protest". In doing so, they will show the British public exactly what they're really marching for and turn the tide of sympathy against them. Good and decent people are waking up to the realisation that many of these "protestors" real cause is their support for the destruction of the Jewish people and Israel. If they truly want the violence to stop, they should be protesting against Hamas for continuing to hold the hostages. As has been shown by Israel's retaliation, holding the hostages gains them nothing. Releasing them, unharmed, will pave the way for talks of a ceasefire. A lot of the protestors that I have seen and the ones chanting hate, ripping down posters and screaming in peoples faces are mainly young women / girls... Not a clue other than they are on a social media trend. The male contingent seem to be getting deeper and deeper into mimicking the look of a terrorist, and I have a feeling it wont be long before one of them do something as evil as Hamas to be the man. I agree. There is an old Jewish fable. An oryx and a scorpion are trying to escape a flood on the banks of the river Jordan. The oryx is preparing to swim across to escape, when the scorpion asks "I cannot swim, will you save me by carrying me across to safety?" The oryx says "but if I do that, you may sting me and I will die". The scorpion replies "if I do that, we will both die" The oryx sees the sense of this and agrees to carry the scorpion. Halfway across, the scorpion stings the oryx. "Why did you do that, now we both will die?", says the oryx as the poison fills his veins. The reply was "I am a scorpion, it's in my nature". Did the Oryx then go on and kill all the scorpions it could find in revenge? Understandably, the point of the parable has flown way above your head. Both the oryx and the scorpion died because of the violent nature of the scorpion. All Hamas have to do is to transcend their violent nature and release the innocent children, women and men they brutally took hostage, and Israel will agree to talks of a ceasefire. A ceasefire which Hamas will undoubtedly break, like they did the last time, and the time before that, and the time before that, and the time before that ad infinitum. Do you really believe that it's too much to ask that the hostages be released for the violence to stop? Nothing went above my head, it’s a very simple fable, told across many differing religions and societies, with minor differences. I think both sides have a role to play in ceasefire talks and both sides should engage willingly. It’s not a ‘you first’ situation. It’s clear from your stance and from your banner that it pointless engaging with you on the topic. You seem like another who believes Israel can do no wrong, no matter how many innocents die, so I’ll bow out. And it’s far more likely that you missed the point of my response, which was quite apt, given the events in Gaza. This response is wrong on many levels… a person who is in support of Israel is pointless to engage? Who said Israel can do no wrong, you, nobody else. Did you miss the word ‘seem’? It ‘seems’ you perhaps did. “Seem” comes after pointless engaging…. It is pointless engaging with someone so quite clearly biased, using inflammatory language and presenting a very one-sided view on an immensely nuanced subject. I know it’s easy to say Hamas Bad, Israel Good - but it’s not the whole truth, and anyone with an ounce of sense knows that. Like The Troubles here, there are no parties without innocent blood on their hands, and all could and should call for ceasefire ASAP, rather than shoring at the other side to do so from behind a rocket. You are coming across in exactly the same way as you are calling out, biased. You have decided it is not worth engaging with someone with an Israeli flag as their picture. How am I biased, exactly? Because I accept that this is a 75+ year war with immense wrong done by and on both sides? Methinks your understanding of bias is a little out of whack. If you cannot accept that you said it was pointless engaging with someone because they had an Israeli flag as their banner, as you called it, then I have nothing more to say. My, you really do have comprehension issues, don’t you? “It’s clear from your stance and from your banner that it pointless engaging with you on the topic.” Do you know what ‘from your stance’ means? They're stance is they should protest against Hamas. Is that so wild that you wouldn't talk to them? I would ask why their language is so inflammatory and biased, I suppose. What was inflammatory? “All Hamas have to do is to transcend their violent nature and release the innocent children, women and men they brutally took hostage, and Israel will agree to talks of a ceasefire. A ceasefire which Hamas will undoubtedly break, like they did the last time, and the time before that, and the time before that, and the time before that ad infinitum. Do you really believe that it's too much to ask that the hostages be released for the violence to stop?“ The implication that Israel and the IDF bear no responsibility for the continuing war. How about answering the question? Is it to much to ask? A cease fire in return for the hostages? I can’t even believe I’m asking that question… No they shouldn’t release them, Negotiation should be those taken by Hamas for those taken in the West Bank. They are one & the same, innocents, no charges made & dragged off the streets. Once both sides give up their hostages then they can talk about a ceasefire. S Then I guess you are fine with the carnage. IDF won't back down neither will Hamas. So it's going to be the status quo. So Hamas not giving their hostages is bad but Israel not giving up theirs means only “I” or they are responsible for the carnage? Get real. Both sides are like boxes of matches. Israel led by BN have been taking them one out at a time & lighting them under Palestinians finger nails for years. Every time you guys & girls put him in power the situation gets worse but here we are with him calling the shots again for what the third or fourth time? No one who wants peace in the region would ever vote for him just the same as no one would vote for Hamas, here’s the thing though Hamas grabbed power from a vacuum but in the original run offs they only got 15% BN got 30% in the Israeli election but we are told its Palestinians fault for letting Hamas in & they are the warmongers? Did you expect anything less than you are getting from Benny? All that has happened is Hamas lit all their matches at once. The result overall is the same, two warmongering units who cannot stand each other & think they can do no wrong because they have their God. I have no wish to meet anyone in my life who thinks they are so right that so much wrong can be done in their name & yet feel no guilt about it. S" Wars are won how again? Enlightened me? Why should I feel guilty for others decisions? We lost wars I admit but do you honestly think Israel are going to back off after Jews have been one of the most persecuted? They have the means necessary to end it. Even if it involves their demise. Clearly you are not seeing it. Hamas chose this war. It's not a special military operation or a minor conflict they where hoping for. They pulled the Trigger now others are suffering for their decision.Simple fact.Niw because the IDF wants Hamas gone just like the Nazis in WW2 everyone has a problem with it. Nazis wanted Jews dead. Muslims want Jews dead. Fact. It's in the Hamas covenant what their interests are. So in your eyes Israel should just do nothing. There is a reason why they are saying never again. This is their never again. So tell me why other Muslim nations are not running to rescue the Palestinians and Hamas? Let me tell you. They know that if they let that happen it would be their demise. No different it's Jews taking out arabs it much easier to blame the Jews. Compared to inter Muslim conflict. | |||
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"I am sure that they will go ahead with their "protest". In doing so, they will show the British public exactly what they're really marching for and turn the tide of sympathy against them. Good and decent people are waking up to the realisation that many of these "protestors" real cause is their support for the destruction of the Jewish people and Israel. If they truly want the violence to stop, they should be protesting against Hamas for continuing to hold the hostages. As has been shown by Israel's retaliation, holding the hostages gains them nothing. Releasing them, unharmed, will pave the way for talks of a ceasefire. A lot of the protestors that I have seen and the ones chanting hate, ripping down posters and screaming in peoples faces are mainly young women / girls... Not a clue other than they are on a social media trend. The male contingent seem to be getting deeper and deeper into mimicking the look of a terrorist, and I have a feeling it wont be long before one of them do something as evil as Hamas to be the man. I agree. There is an old Jewish fable. An oryx and a scorpion are trying to escape a flood on the banks of the river Jordan. The oryx is preparing to swim across to escape, when the scorpion asks "I cannot swim, will you save me by carrying me across to safety?" The oryx says "but if I do that, you may sting me and I will die". The scorpion replies "if I do that, we will both die" The oryx sees the sense of this and agrees to carry the scorpion. Halfway across, the scorpion stings the oryx. "Why did you do that, now we both will die?", says the oryx as the poison fills his veins. The reply was "I am a scorpion, it's in my nature". Did the Oryx then go on and kill all the scorpions it could find in revenge? Understandably, the point of the parable has flown way above your head. Both the oryx and the scorpion died because of the violent nature of the scorpion. All Hamas have to do is to transcend their violent nature and release the innocent children, women and men they brutally took hostage, and Israel will agree to talks of a ceasefire. A ceasefire which Hamas will undoubtedly break, like they did the last time, and the time before that, and the time before that, and the time before that ad infinitum. Do you really believe that it's too much to ask that the hostages be released for the violence to stop? Nothing went above my head, it’s a very simple fable, told across many differing religions and societies, with minor differences. I think both sides have a role to play in ceasefire talks and both sides should engage willingly. It’s not a ‘you first’ situation. It’s clear from your stance and from your banner that it pointless engaging with you on the topic. You seem like another who believes Israel can do no wrong, no matter how many innocents die, so I’ll bow out. And it’s far more likely that you missed the point of my response, which was quite apt, given the events in Gaza. This response is wrong on many levels… a person who is in support of Israel is pointless to engage? Who said Israel can do no wrong, you, nobody else. Did you miss the word ‘seem’? It ‘seems’ you perhaps did. “Seem” comes after pointless engaging…. It is pointless engaging with someone so quite clearly biased, using inflammatory language and presenting a very one-sided view on an immensely nuanced subject. I know it’s easy to say Hamas Bad, Israel Good - but it’s not the whole truth, and anyone with an ounce of sense knows that. Like The Troubles here, there are no parties without innocent blood on their hands, and all could and should call for ceasefire ASAP, rather than shoring at the other side to do so from behind a rocket. You are coming across in exactly the same way as you are calling out, biased. You have decided it is not worth engaging with someone with an Israeli flag as their picture. How am I biased, exactly? Because I accept that this is a 75+ year war with immense wrong done by and on both sides? Methinks your understanding of bias is a little out of whack. If you cannot accept that you said it was pointless engaging with someone because they had an Israeli flag as their banner, as you called it, then I have nothing more to say. My, you really do have comprehension issues, don’t you? “It’s clear from your stance and from your banner that it pointless engaging with you on the topic.” Do you know what ‘from your stance’ means? They're stance is they should protest against Hamas. Is that so wild that you wouldn't talk to them? I would ask why their language is so inflammatory and biased, I suppose. What was inflammatory? “All Hamas have to do is to transcend their violent nature and release the innocent children, women and men they brutally took hostage, and Israel will agree to talks of a ceasefire. A ceasefire which Hamas will undoubtedly break, like they did the last time, and the time before that, and the time before that, and the time before that ad infinitum. Do you really believe that it's too much to ask that the hostages be released for the violence to stop?“ The implication that Israel and the IDF bear no responsibility for the continuing war. How about answering the question? Is it to much to ask? A cease fire in return for the hostages? I can’t even believe I’m asking that question… No they shouldn’t release them, Negotiation should be those taken by Hamas for those taken in the West Bank. They are one & the same, innocents, no charges made & dragged off the streets. Once both sides give up their hostages then they can talk about a ceasefire. S Then I guess you are fine with the carnage. IDF won't back down neither will Hamas. So it's going to be the status quo. So Hamas not giving their hostages is bad but Israel not giving up theirs means only “I” or they are responsible for the carnage? Get real. Both sides are like boxes of matches. Israel led by BN have been taking them one out at a time & lighting them under Palestinians finger nails for years. Every time you guys & girls put him in power the situation gets worse but here we are with him calling the shots again for what the third or fourth time? No one who wants peace in the region would ever vote for him just the same as no one would vote for Hamas, here’s the thing though Hamas grabbed power from a vacuum but in the original run offs they only got 15% BN got 30% in the Israeli election but we are told its Palestinians fault for letting Hamas in & they are the warmongers? Did you expect anything less than you are getting from Benny? All that has happened is Hamas lit all their matches at once. The result overall is the same, two warmongering units who cannot stand each other & think they can do no wrong because they have their God. I have no wish to meet anyone in my life who thinks they are so right that so much wrong can be done in their name & yet feel no guilt about it. S Wars are won how again? Enlightened me? Why should I feel guilty for others decisions? We lost wars I admit but do you honestly think Israel are going to back off after Jews have been one of the most persecuted? They have the means necessary to end it. Even if it involves their demise. Clearly you are not seeing it. Hamas chose this war. It's not a special military operation or a minor conflict they where hoping for. They pulled the Trigger now others are suffering for their decision.Simple fact.Niw because the IDF wants Hamas gone just like the Nazis in WW2 everyone has a problem with it. Nazis wanted Jews dead. Muslims want Jews dead. Fact. " What? all Muslims? Why do so many people think palastine and Hamas are interchangeable terms for the same people? | |||
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"I am sure that they will go ahead with their "protest". In doing so, they will show the British public exactly what they're really marching for and turn the tide of sympathy against them. Good and decent people are waking up to the realisation that many of these "protestors" real cause is their support for the destruction of the Jewish people and Israel. If they truly want the violence to stop, they should be protesting against Hamas for continuing to hold the hostages. As has been shown by Israel's retaliation, holding the hostages gains them nothing. Releasing them, unharmed, will pave the way for talks of a ceasefire. A lot of the protestors that I have seen and the ones chanting hate, ripping down posters and screaming in peoples faces are mainly young women / girls... Not a clue other than they are on a social media trend. The male contingent seem to be getting deeper and deeper into mimicking the look of a terrorist, and I have a feeling it wont be long before one of them do something as evil as Hamas to be the man. I agree. There is an old Jewish fable. An oryx and a scorpion are trying to escape a flood on the banks of the river Jordan. The oryx is preparing to swim across to escape, when the scorpion asks "I cannot swim, will you save me by carrying me across to safety?" The oryx says "but if I do that, you may sting me and I will die". The scorpion replies "if I do that, we will both die" The oryx sees the sense of this and agrees to carry the scorpion. Halfway across, the scorpion stings the oryx. "Why did you do that, now we both will die?", says the oryx as the poison fills his veins. The reply was "I am a scorpion, it's in my nature". Did the Oryx then go on and kill all the scorpions it could find in revenge? Understandably, the point of the parable has flown way above your head. Both the oryx and the scorpion died because of the violent nature of the scorpion. All Hamas have to do is to transcend their violent nature and release the innocent children, women and men they brutally took hostage, and Israel will agree to talks of a ceasefire. A ceasefire which Hamas will undoubtedly break, like they did the last time, and the time before that, and the time before that, and the time before that ad infinitum. Do you really believe that it's too much to ask that the hostages be released for the violence to stop? Nothing went above my head, it’s a very simple fable, told across many differing religions and societies, with minor differences. I think both sides have a role to play in ceasefire talks and both sides should engage willingly. It’s not a ‘you first’ situation. It’s clear from your stance and from your banner that it pointless engaging with you on the topic. You seem like another who believes Israel can do no wrong, no matter how many innocents die, so I’ll bow out. And it’s far more likely that you missed the point of my response, which was quite apt, given the events in Gaza. This response is wrong on many levels… a person who is in support of Israel is pointless to engage? Who said Israel can do no wrong, you, nobody else. Did you miss the word ‘seem’? It ‘seems’ you perhaps did. “Seem” comes after pointless engaging…. It is pointless engaging with someone so quite clearly biased, using inflammatory language and presenting a very one-sided view on an immensely nuanced subject. I know it’s easy to say Hamas Bad, Israel Good - but it’s not the whole truth, and anyone with an ounce of sense knows that. Like The Troubles here, there are no parties without innocent blood on their hands, and all could and should call for ceasefire ASAP, rather than shoring at the other side to do so from behind a rocket. You are coming across in exactly the same way as you are calling out, biased. You have decided it is not worth engaging with someone with an Israeli flag as their picture. How am I biased, exactly? Because I accept that this is a 75+ year war with immense wrong done by and on both sides? Methinks your understanding of bias is a little out of whack. If you cannot accept that you said it was pointless engaging with someone because they had an Israeli flag as their banner, as you called it, then I have nothing more to say. My, you really do have comprehension issues, don’t you? “It’s clear from your stance and from your banner that it pointless engaging with you on the topic.” Do you know what ‘from your stance’ means? They're stance is they should protest against Hamas. Is that so wild that you wouldn't talk to them? I would ask why their language is so inflammatory and biased, I suppose. What was inflammatory? “All Hamas have to do is to transcend their violent nature and release the innocent children, women and men they brutally took hostage, and Israel will agree to talks of a ceasefire. A ceasefire which Hamas will undoubtedly break, like they did the last time, and the time before that, and the time before that, and the time before that ad infinitum. Do you really believe that it's too much to ask that the hostages be released for the violence to stop?“ The implication that Israel and the IDF bear no responsibility for the continuing war. How about answering the question? Is it to much to ask? A cease fire in return for the hostages? I can’t even believe I’m asking that question… No they shouldn’t release them, Negotiation should be those taken by Hamas for those taken in the West Bank. They are one & the same, innocents, no charges made & dragged off the streets. Once both sides give up their hostages then they can talk about a ceasefire. S Then I guess you are fine with the carnage. IDF won't back down neither will Hamas. So it's going to be the status quo. So Hamas not giving their hostages is bad but Israel not giving up theirs means only “I” or they are responsible for the carnage? Get real. Both sides are like boxes of matches. Israel led by BN have been taking them one out at a time & lighting them under Palestinians finger nails for years. Every time you guys & girls put him in power the situation gets worse but here we are with him calling the shots again for what the third or fourth time? No one who wants peace in the region would ever vote for him just the same as no one would vote for Hamas, here’s the thing though Hamas grabbed power from a vacuum but in the original run offs they only got 15% BN got 30% in the Israeli election but we are told its Palestinians fault for letting Hamas in & they are the warmongers? Did you expect anything less than you are getting from Benny? All that has happened is Hamas lit all their matches at once. The result overall is the same, two warmongering units who cannot stand each other & think they can do no wrong because they have their God. I have no wish to meet anyone in my life who thinks they are so right that so much wrong can be done in their name & yet feel no guilt about it. S Wars are won how again? Enlightened me? Why should I feel guilty for others decisions? We lost wars I admit but do you honestly think Israel are going to back off after Jews have been one of the most persecuted? They have the means necessary to end it. Even if it involves their demise. Clearly you are not seeing it. Hamas chose this war. It's not a special military operation or a minor conflict they where hoping for. They pulled the Trigger now others are suffering for their decision.Simple fact.Niw because the IDF wants Hamas gone just like the Nazis in WW2 everyone has a problem with it. Nazis wanted Jews dead. Muslims want Jews dead. Fact. What? all Muslims? Why do so many people think palastine and Hamas are interchangeable terms for the same people?" why are torries the same people to Brits? | |||
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"I am sure that they will go ahead with their "protest". In doing so, they will show the British public exactly what they're really marching for and turn the tide of sympathy against them. Good and decent people are waking up to the realisation that many of these "protestors" real cause is their support for the destruction of the Jewish people and Israel. If they truly want the violence to stop, they should be protesting against Hamas for continuing to hold the hostages. As has been shown by Israel's retaliation, holding the hostages gains them nothing. Releasing them, unharmed, will pave the way for talks of a ceasefire. A lot of the protestors that I have seen and the ones chanting hate, ripping down posters and screaming in peoples faces are mainly young women / girls... Not a clue other than they are on a social media trend. The male contingent seem to be getting deeper and deeper into mimicking the look of a terrorist, and I have a feeling it wont be long before one of them do something as evil as Hamas to be the man. I agree. There is an old Jewish fable. An oryx and a scorpion are trying to escape a flood on the banks of the river Jordan. The oryx is preparing to swim across to escape, when the scorpion asks "I cannot swim, will you save me by carrying me across to safety?" The oryx says "but if I do that, you may sting me and I will die". The scorpion replies "if I do that, we will both die" The oryx sees the sense of this and agrees to carry the scorpion. Halfway across, the scorpion stings the oryx. "Why did you do that, now we both will die?", says the oryx as the poison fills his veins. The reply was "I am a scorpion, it's in my nature". Did the Oryx then go on and kill all the scorpions it could find in revenge? Understandably, the point of the parable has flown way above your head. Both the oryx and the scorpion died because of the violent nature of the scorpion. All Hamas have to do is to transcend their violent nature and release the innocent children, women and men they brutally took hostage, and Israel will agree to talks of a ceasefire. A ceasefire which Hamas will undoubtedly break, like they did the last time, and the time before that, and the time before that, and the time before that ad infinitum. Do you really believe that it's too much to ask that the hostages be released for the violence to stop? Nothing went above my head, it’s a very simple fable, told across many differing religions and societies, with minor differences. I think both sides have a role to play in ceasefire talks and both sides should engage willingly. It’s not a ‘you first’ situation. It’s clear from your stance and from your banner that it pointless engaging with you on the topic. You seem like another who believes Israel can do no wrong, no matter how many innocents die, so I’ll bow out. And it’s far more likely that you missed the point of my response, which was quite apt, given the events in Gaza. This response is wrong on many levels… a person who is in support of Israel is pointless to engage? Who said Israel can do no wrong, you, nobody else. Did you miss the word ‘seem’? It ‘seems’ you perhaps did. “Seem” comes after pointless engaging…. It is pointless engaging with someone so quite clearly biased, using inflammatory language and presenting a very one-sided view on an immensely nuanced subject. I know it’s easy to say Hamas Bad, Israel Good - but it’s not the whole truth, and anyone with an ounce of sense knows that. Like The Troubles here, there are no parties without innocent blood on their hands, and all could and should call for ceasefire ASAP, rather than shoring at the other side to do so from behind a rocket. You are coming across in exactly the same way as you are calling out, biased. You have decided it is not worth engaging with someone with an Israeli flag as their picture. How am I biased, exactly? Because I accept that this is a 75+ year war with immense wrong done by and on both sides? Methinks your understanding of bias is a little out of whack. If you cannot accept that you said it was pointless engaging with someone because they had an Israeli flag as their banner, as you called it, then I have nothing more to say. My, you really do have comprehension issues, don’t you? “It’s clear from your stance and from your banner that it pointless engaging with you on the topic.” Do you know what ‘from your stance’ means? They're stance is they should protest against Hamas. Is that so wild that you wouldn't talk to them? I would ask why their language is so inflammatory and biased, I suppose. What was inflammatory? “All Hamas have to do is to transcend their violent nature and release the innocent children, women and men they brutally took hostage, and Israel will agree to talks of a ceasefire. A ceasefire which Hamas will undoubtedly break, like they did the last time, and the time before that, and the time before that, and the time before that ad infinitum. Do you really believe that it's too much to ask that the hostages be released for the violence to stop?“ The implication that Israel and the IDF bear no responsibility for the continuing war. How about answering the question? Is it to much to ask? A cease fire in return for the hostages? I can’t even believe I’m asking that question… No they shouldn’t release them, Negotiation should be those taken by Hamas for those taken in the West Bank. They are one & the same, innocents, no charges made & dragged off the streets. Once both sides give up their hostages then they can talk about a ceasefire. S Then I guess you are fine with the carnage. IDF won't back down neither will Hamas. So it's going to be the status quo. So Hamas not giving their hostages is bad but Israel not giving up theirs means only “I” or they are responsible for the carnage? Get real. Both sides are like boxes of matches. Israel led by BN have been taking them one out at a time & lighting them under Palestinians finger nails for years. Every time you guys & girls put him in power the situation gets worse but here we are with him calling the shots again for what the third or fourth time? No one who wants peace in the region would ever vote for him just the same as no one would vote for Hamas, here’s the thing though Hamas grabbed power from a vacuum but in the original run offs they only got 15% BN got 30% in the Israeli election but we are told its Palestinians fault for letting Hamas in & they are the warmongers? Did you expect anything less than you are getting from Benny? All that has happened is Hamas lit all their matches at once. The result overall is the same, two warmongering units who cannot stand each other & think they can do no wrong because they have their God. I have no wish to meet anyone in my life who thinks they are so right that so much wrong can be done in their name & yet feel no guilt about it. S Wars are won how again? Enlightened me? Why should I feel guilty for others decisions? We lost wars I admit but do you honestly think Israel are going to back off after Jews have been one of the most persecuted? They have the means necessary to end it. Even if it involves their demise. Clearly you are not seeing it. Hamas chose this war. It's not a special military operation or a minor conflict they where hoping for. They pulled the Trigger now others are suffering for their decision.Simple fact.Niw because the IDF wants Hamas gone just like the Nazis in WW2 everyone has a problem with it. Nazis wanted Jews dead. Muslims want Jews dead. Fact. What? all Muslims? Why do so many people think palastine and Hamas are interchangeable terms for the same people? why are torries the same people to Brits? " Majority duh. Otherwise you wouldn't have Brexit and Palestine wouldn't have a war with Israel. People chose and now you reap what you sow. | |||
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"If these people don't get the sensitivity of Remembrance Day, and the baggage it carries, they are not true Brits imho and deserve no voice. If the go ahead, the likely consequence will be hardening of support for Israel. It’s ok to understand the weight of Remembrance Day and also respectably protest on the same day. Well I guess that's a matter of opinion. Personally I believe that by choosing this of all days, they are being disrespectful and insulting." | |||
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"How about answering the question? Is it to much to ask? A cease fire in return for the hostages? I can’t even believe I’m asking that question… No they shouldn’t release them, Negotiation should be those taken by Hamas for those taken in the West Bank. They are one & the same, innocents, no charges made & dragged off the streets. Once both sides give up their hostages then they can talk about a ceasefire. S" Okay. Just think for one second. Let this sink in. You do not believe that Hamas should release the hostages. Whom do you hate more, the Palestinians who will continue to suffer bombardment, or the Israeli civilians being r.aped, burned and tortured? Firstly, you are drawing a moral equivalence between *Hamas* and Israel. Secondly, you are showing a blatant support for Hamas generally and its kid.napping specifically. For anyone asking who on this forum supports Hamas, here it is, folks. The difference between the prisoners held by Israel and Hamas are stark - whether or not you agree with 100% of Israel's tactics, there are actual Hamas members and terrorists being held by them, who are generally well treated given their crimes. Might some be innocent? Yes. That's policing, and it works the same way in every country. Are we privy to the facts and intelligence beehive these arrests? No. Hamas grabbed anyone, including babies. If they couldn't grab them, they killed them, or worse (and then killed them). Anyone who tries to draw a moral equivalence and compares the hostages is simply sick beyond words, as well as wrong. You can argue that you do not accept that all prisoners are guilty, but Israel is working under a framework with minimum conditions for arrest and detainment - you might not agree with these, but they exist. Hamas holding out is to the detriment of the Palestinians, and you know that. Every day that Hamas holds out, more Palestinians are killed as Israel pursues Hamas. You are advocating for Palestinian civilian sacrifice to benefit Hamas - isn't the moral position to denounce Hamas because it harms Palestinian civilians? You are defacto justifying the Hamas operation (with all that entails for Israelis and Palestinians) and expressing support for a terrorist entity here. Is it possible that you typed the above in an emotional state, but now regret the wider implications of it? Have you ever even been to Israel or Palestine to understand what the human situation there is? Spoken to the real people affected? To draw equivalence is to exhibit a frightening level of naivety about facts on the ground. By all means, criticise Israel's policy or actions. Hate on Benjamin Netanyahu and the Likud party. Accuse Israel of war crimes. Whatever, these are debatable topics. When you blindly draw moral equivalence with Israel, the actual propaganda (not the very legitimate concerns about Israel) has worked on you, and that should frighten everyone. When you call for a situation that will increase the suffering for Palestinians, you just seem unhinged. Consider a retraction. | |||
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"How about answering the question? Is it to much to ask? A cease fire in return for the hostages? I can’t even believe I’m asking that question… No they shouldn’t release them, Negotiation should be those taken by Hamas for those taken in the West Bank. They are one & the same, innocents, no charges made & dragged off the streets. Once both sides give up their hostages then they can talk about a ceasefire. S Okay. Just think for one second. Let this sink in. You do not believe that Hamas should release the hostages. Whom do you hate more, the Palestinians who will continue to suffer bombardment, or the Israeli civilians being r.aped, burned and tortured? Firstly, you are drawing a moral equivalence between *Hamas* and Israel. Secondly, you are showing a blatant support for Hamas generally and its kid.napping specifically. For anyone asking who on this forum supports Hamas, here it is, folks. The difference between the prisoners held by Israel and Hamas are stark - whether or not you agree with 100% of Israel's tactics, there are actual Hamas members and terrorists being held by them, who are generally well treated given their crimes. Might some be innocent? Yes. That's policing, and it works the same way in every country. Are we privy to the facts and intelligence beehive these arrests? No. Hamas grabbed anyone, including babies. If they couldn't grab them, they killed them, or worse (and then killed them). Anyone who tries to draw a moral equivalence and compares the hostages is simply sick beyond words, as well as wrong. You can argue that you do not accept that all prisoners are guilty, but Israel is working under a framework with minimum conditions for arrest and detainment - you might not agree with these, but they exist. Hamas holding out is to the detriment of the Palestinians, and you know that. Every day that Hamas holds out, more Palestinians are killed as Israel pursues Hamas. You are advocating for Palestinian civilian sacrifice to benefit Hamas - isn't the moral position to denounce Hamas because it harms Palestinian civilians? You are defacto justifying the Hamas operation (with all that entails for Israelis and Palestinians) and expressing support for a terrorist entity here. Is it possible that you typed the above in an emotional state, but now regret the wider implications of it? Have you ever even been to Israel or Palestine to understand what the human situation there is? Spoken to the real people affected? To draw equivalence is to exhibit a frightening level of naivety about facts on the ground. By all means, criticise Israel's policy or actions. Hate on Benjamin Netanyahu and the Likud party. Accuse Israel of war crimes. Whatever, these are debatable topics. When you blindly draw moral equivalence with Israel, the actual propaganda (not the very legitimate concerns about Israel) has worked on you, and that should frighten everyone. When you call for a situation that will increase the suffering for Palestinians, you just seem unhinged. Consider a retraction. " I have to draw moral equivalence between Hamas & Israel because if I draw it between Palestine & Israel then the Israeli nation come out without a shadow of doubt based on numbers alone as the muderous b’stards of the two peoples. Personally I’m a math man, I don’t particularly like either nation & having grown up in London I’ve met a number of both. What started on October 7th as an atrocity on the Israeli people did not start on the 7th st all, it started last year, the year before that & the year before that and on & on. Every single fcking year during “quieter times” Israel have always killed & injured more Palestinians than Palestinians have killed Israelies. Every year. Add to that the constant land grabbing settlers & dispossessions & you are pushing a people more & more towards revolt & if their only weapon is something like Hamas well then maybe they are going to use it. Maybe they are sick to death of their villages being taken, maybe they are sick to death of their olive groves being taken, maybe they are sick to death of being arrested, beat up & disappeared for fuck all. Maybe they are sick to death of waiting for a nation state. October 7th didn’t start with an attack by Hamas, it started with two boxes of matches imo & without those matches Hamas wouldn’t have got a foothold in Gaza in the first place. S | |||
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"I am sure that they will go ahead with their "protest". In doing so, they will show the British public exactly what they're really marching for and turn the tide of sympathy against them. Good and decent people are waking up to the realisation that many of these "protestors" real cause is their support for the destruction of the Jewish people and Israel. If they truly want the violence to stop, they should be protesting against Hamas for continuing to hold the hostages. As has been shown by Israel's retaliation, holding the hostages gains them nothing. Releasing them, unharmed, will pave the way for talks of a ceasefire. A lot of the protestors that I have seen and the ones chanting hate, ripping down posters and screaming in peoples faces are mainly young women / girls... Not a clue other than they are on a social media trend. The male contingent seem to be getting deeper and deeper into mimicking the look of a terrorist, and I have a feeling it wont be long before one of them do something as evil as Hamas to be the man. I agree. There is an old Jewish fable. An oryx and a scorpion are trying to escape a flood on the banks of the river Jordan. The oryx is preparing to swim across to escape, when the scorpion asks "I cannot swim, will you save me by carrying me across to safety?" The oryx says "but if I do that, you may sting me and I will die". The scorpion replies "if I do that, we will both die" The oryx sees the sense of this and agrees to carry the scorpion. Halfway across, the scorpion stings the oryx. "Why did you do that, now we both will die?", says the oryx as the poison fills his veins. The reply was "I am a scorpion, it's in my nature". Did the Oryx then go on and kill all the scorpions it could find in revenge? Understandably, the point of the parable has flown way above your head. Both the oryx and the scorpion died because of the violent nature of the scorpion. All Hamas have to do is to transcend their violent nature and release the innocent children, women and men they brutally took hostage, and Israel will agree to talks of a ceasefire. A ceasefire which Hamas will undoubtedly break, like they did the last time, and the time before that, and the time before that, and the time before that ad infinitum. Do you really believe that it's too much to ask that the hostages be released for the violence to stop? Nothing went above my head, it’s a very simple fable, told across many differing religions and societies, with minor differences. I think both sides have a role to play in ceasefire talks and both sides should engage willingly. It’s not a ‘you first’ situation. It’s clear from your stance and from your banner that it pointless engaging with you on the topic. You seem like another who believes Israel can do no wrong, no matter how many innocents die, so I’ll bow out. And it’s far more likely that you missed the point of my response, which was quite apt, given the events in Gaza. This response is wrong on many levels… a person who is in support of Israel is pointless to engage? Who said Israel can do no wrong, you, nobody else. Did you miss the word ‘seem’? It ‘seems’ you perhaps did. “Seem” comes after pointless engaging…. It is pointless engaging with someone so quite clearly biased, using inflammatory language and presenting a very one-sided view on an immensely nuanced subject. I know it’s easy to say Hamas Bad, Israel Good - but it’s not the whole truth, and anyone with an ounce of sense knows that. Like The Troubles here, there are no parties without innocent blood on their hands, and all could and should call for ceasefire ASAP, rather than shoring at the other side to do so from behind a rocket. You are coming across in exactly the same way as you are calling out, biased. You have decided it is not worth engaging with someone with an Israeli flag as their picture. How am I biased, exactly? Because I accept that this is a 75+ year war with immense wrong done by and on both sides? Methinks your understanding of bias is a little out of whack. If you cannot accept that you said it was pointless engaging with someone because they had an Israeli flag as their banner, as you called it, then I have nothing more to say. My, you really do have comprehension issues, don’t you? “It’s clear from your stance and from your banner that it pointless engaging with you on the topic.” Do you know what ‘from your stance’ means? They're stance is they should protest against Hamas. Is that so wild that you wouldn't talk to them? I would ask why their language is so inflammatory and biased, I suppose. What was inflammatory? “All Hamas have to do is to transcend their violent nature and release the innocent children, women and men they brutally took hostage, and Israel will agree to talks of a ceasefire. A ceasefire which Hamas will undoubtedly break, like they did the last time, and the time before that, and the time before that, and the time before that ad infinitum. Do you really believe that it's too much to ask that the hostages be released for the violence to stop?“ The implication that Israel and the IDF bear no responsibility for the continuing war. How about answering the question? Is it to much to ask? A cease fire in return for the hostages? I can’t even believe I’m asking that question… No they shouldn’t release them, Negotiation should be those taken by Hamas for those taken in the West Bank. They are one & the same, innocents, no charges made & dragged off the streets. Once both sides give up their hostages then they can talk about a ceasefire. S Then I guess you are fine with the carnage. IDF won't back down neither will Hamas. So it's going to be the status quo. So Hamas not giving their hostages is bad but Israel not giving up theirs means only “I” or they are responsible for the carnage? Get real. Both sides are like boxes of matches. Israel led by BN have been taking them one out at a time & lighting them under Palestinians finger nails for years. Every time you guys & girls put him in power the situation gets worse but here we are with him calling the shots again for what the third or fourth time? No one who wants peace in the region would ever vote for him just the same as no one would vote for Hamas, here’s the thing though Hamas grabbed power from a vacuum but in the original run offs they only got 15% BN got 30% in the Israeli election but we are told its Palestinians fault for letting Hamas in & they are the warmongers? Did you expect anything less than you are getting from Benny? All that has happened is Hamas lit all their matches at once. The result overall is the same, two warmongering units who cannot stand each other & think they can do no wrong because they have their God. I have no wish to meet anyone in my life who thinks they are so right that so much wrong can be done in their name & yet feel no guilt about it. S Wars are won how again? Enlightened me? Why should I feel guilty for others decisions? We lost wars I admit but do you honestly think Israel are going to back off after Jews have been one of the most persecuted? They have the means necessary to end it. Even if it involves their demise. Clearly you are not seeing it. Hamas chose this war. It's not a special military operation or a minor conflict they where hoping for. They pulled the Trigger now others are suffering for their decision.Simple fact.Niw because the IDF wants Hamas gone just like the Nazis in WW2 everyone has a problem with it. Nazis wanted Jews dead. Muslims want Jews dead. Fact. What? all Muslims? Why do so many people think palastine and Hamas are interchangeable terms for the same people? why are torries the same people to Brits? " You just answered my question. All tories are Brits, not all Brits are tories. Hamas are a terrorist organisation. Palestine is a country. Not all Palestinians are terrorists,, certainly not all Muslims are terrorists yet you’re comfortable using the terms interchangeably. | |||
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"October 7th didn’t start with an attack by Hamas, it started with two boxes of matches imo & without those matches Hamas wouldn’t have got a foothold in Gaza in the first place" Hamas control in Gaza began after Israel unilaterally pulled every Israeli out of Gaza. Physically. There is no moral equivalence. Hamas terrorise the very Palestinians who voted them into power and abuse those civilians with war crimes (literally). They came in on a platform of destroying Israel (literally). There is no moral equivalence. | |||
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"No they shouldn’t release them, Negotiation should be those taken by Hamas for those taken in the West Bank. They are one & the same, innocents, no charges made & dragged off the streets. Once both sides give up their hostages then they can talk about a ceasefire... ...if their only weapon is something like Hamas well then maybe they are going to use it." The people of Palestine thank you for supporting the notion that Hamas should sacrifice them for their own greater good. | |||
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"October 7th didn’t start with an attack by Hamas, it started with two boxes of matches imo & without those matches Hamas wouldn’t have got a foothold in Gaza in the first place Hamas control in Gaza began after Israel unilaterally pulled every Israeli out of Gaza. Physically. There is no moral equivalence. Hamas terrorise the very Palestinians who voted them into power and abuse those civilians with war crimes (literally). They came in on a platform of destroying Israel (literally). There is no moral equivalence. " | |||
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"No they shouldn’t release them, Negotiation should be those taken by Hamas for those taken in the West Bank. They are one & the same, innocents, no charges made & dragged off the streets. Once both sides give up their hostages then they can talk about a ceasefire... ...if their only weapon is something like Hamas well then maybe they are going to use it. The people of Palestine thank you for supporting the notion that Hamas should sacrifice them for their own greater good." You are unfortunately wasting your time trying to rationalise when we have some contributors openly legitimising a terrorist organisation, as you highlight. | |||
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"No they shouldn’t release them, Negotiation should be those taken by Hamas for those taken in the West Bank. They are one & the same, innocents, no charges made & dragged off the streets. Once both sides give up their hostages then they can talk about a ceasefire... ...if their only weapon is something like Hamas well then maybe they are going to use it. The people of Palestine thank you for supporting the notion that Hamas should sacrifice them for their own greater good. You are unfortunately wasting your time trying to rationalise when we have some contributors openly legitimising a terrorist organisation, as you highlight. " Which contributors are openly legitimising a terrorist organisation? | |||
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"No they shouldn’t release them, Negotiation should be those taken by Hamas for those taken in the West Bank. They are one & the same, innocents, no charges made & dragged off the streets. Once both sides give up their hostages then they can talk about a ceasefire... ...if their only weapon is something like Hamas well then maybe they are going to use it. The people of Palestine thank you for supporting the notion that Hamas should sacrifice them for their own greater good. You are unfortunately wasting your time trying to rationalise when we have some contributors openly legitimising a terrorist organisation, as you highlight. Which contributors are openly legitimising a terrorist organisation?" legitimising = allow it, approve it. | |||
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"No they shouldn’t release them, Negotiation should be those taken by Hamas for those taken in the West Bank. They are one & the same, innocents, no charges made & dragged off the streets. Once both sides give up their hostages then they can talk about a ceasefire... ...if their only weapon is something like Hamas well then maybe they are going to use it. The people of Palestine thank you for supporting the notion that Hamas should sacrifice them for their own greater good. You are unfortunately wasting your time trying to rationalise when we have some contributors openly legitimising a terrorist organisation, as you highlight. Which contributors are openly legitimising a terrorist organisation? legitimising = allow it, approve it. " I asked you a simple question. | |||
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"No they shouldn’t release them, Negotiation should be those taken by Hamas for those taken in the West Bank. They are one & the same, innocents, no charges made & dragged off the streets. Once both sides give up their hostages then they can talk about a ceasefire... ...if their only weapon is something like Hamas well then maybe they are going to use it. The people of Palestine thank you for supporting the notion that Hamas should sacrifice them for their own greater good. You are unfortunately wasting your time trying to rationalise when we have some contributors openly legitimising a terrorist organisation, as you highlight. Which contributors are openly legitimising a terrorist organisation? legitimising = allow it, approve it. I asked you a simple question." Its frustrating asking simple questions and not getting an answer, isn't it. However, we're not allowed to 'name and shame'. | |||
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"No they shouldn’t release them, Negotiation should be those taken by Hamas for those taken in the West Bank. They are one & the same, innocents, no charges made & dragged off the streets. Once both sides give up their hostages then they can talk about a ceasefire... ...if their only weapon is something like Hamas well then maybe they are going to use it. The people of Palestine thank you for supporting the notion that Hamas should sacrifice them for their own greater good. You are unfortunately wasting your time trying to rationalise when we have some contributors openly legitimising a terrorist organisation, as you highlight. Which contributors are openly legitimising a terrorist organisation? legitimising = allow it, approve it. I asked you a simple question. I have asked you many simple questions too." So you don’t want to tell us which contributors have legitimised a terrorist organisation, as per your claim? | |||
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"No they shouldn’t release them, Negotiation should be those taken by Hamas for those taken in the West Bank. They are one & the same, innocents, no charges made & dragged off the streets. Once both sides give up their hostages then they can talk about a ceasefire... ...if their only weapon is something like Hamas well then maybe they are going to use it. The people of Palestine thank you for supporting the notion that Hamas should sacrifice them for their own greater good. You are unfortunately wasting your time trying to rationalise when we have some contributors openly legitimising a terrorist organisation, as you highlight. Which contributors are openly legitimising a terrorist organisation? legitimising = allow it, approve it. I asked you a simple question. Its frustrating asking simple questions and not getting an answer, isn't it. However, we're not allowed to 'name and shame'." Maybe we shouldn’t make the claim, then. | |||
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"No they shouldn’t release them, Negotiation should be those taken by Hamas for those taken in the West Bank. They are one & the same, innocents, no charges made & dragged off the streets. Once both sides give up their hostages then they can talk about a ceasefire... ...if their only weapon is something like Hamas well then maybe they are going to use it. The people of Palestine thank you for supporting the notion that Hamas should sacrifice them for their own greater good. You are unfortunately wasting your time trying to rationalise when we have some contributors openly legitimising a terrorist organisation, as you highlight. Which contributors are openly legitimising a terrorist organisation? legitimising = allow it, approve it. I asked you a simple question." I have asked you many simple questions too, maybe we should both stop on this thread. I have now. | |||
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"No they shouldn’t release them, Negotiation should be those taken by Hamas for those taken in the West Bank. They are one & the same, innocents, no charges made & dragged off the streets. Once both sides give up their hostages then they can talk about a ceasefire... ...if their only weapon is something like Hamas well then maybe they are going to use it. The people of Palestine thank you for supporting the notion that Hamas should sacrifice them for their own greater good. You are unfortunately wasting your time trying to rationalise when we have some contributors openly legitimising a terrorist organisation, as you highlight. Which contributors are openly legitimising a terrorist organisation? legitimising = allow it, approve it. I asked you a simple question. I have asked you many simple questions too, maybe we should both stop on this thread. I have now." It’s an interesting thread, on a very nuanced and complex topic. Sadly some think it is simple | |||
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"No they shouldn’t release them, Negotiation should be those taken by Hamas for those taken in the West Bank. They are one & the same, innocents, no charges made & dragged off the streets. Once both sides give up their hostages then they can talk about a ceasefire... ...if their only weapon is something like Hamas well then maybe they are going to use it. The people of Palestine thank you for supporting the notion that Hamas should sacrifice them for their own greater good. You are unfortunately wasting your time trying to rationalise when we have some contributors openly legitimising a terrorist organisation, as you highlight. Which contributors are openly legitimising a terrorist organisation? legitimising = allow it, approve it. I asked you a simple question. Its frustrating asking simple questions and not getting an answer, isn't it. However, we're not allowed to 'name and shame'. Maybe we shouldn’t make the claim, then." You only have to read to either confirm or deny the claim. I'll repeat, we aren't allowed to 'name and shame'. He is still entitled to his opinion, you don't have to agree with him. | |||
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"No they shouldn’t release them, Negotiation should be those taken by Hamas for those taken in the West Bank. They are one & the same, innocents, no charges made & dragged off the streets. Once both sides give up their hostages then they can talk about a ceasefire... ...if their only weapon is something like Hamas well then maybe they are going to use it. The people of Palestine thank you for supporting the notion that Hamas should sacrifice them for their own greater good. You are unfortunately wasting your time trying to rationalise when we have some contributors openly legitimising a terrorist organisation, as you highlight. Which contributors are openly legitimising a terrorist organisation? legitimising = allow it, approve it. I asked you a simple question. I have asked you many simple questions too, maybe we should both stop on this thread. I have now. It’s an interesting thread, on a very nuanced and complex topic. Sadly some think it is simple " "The opinion of 10,000 men is of no value if none of them knows anything about the subject" - Marcus Aurelius | |||
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"No they shouldn’t release them, Negotiation should be those taken by Hamas for those taken in the West Bank. They are one & the same, innocents, no charges made & dragged off the streets. Once both sides give up their hostages then they can talk about a ceasefire... ...if their only weapon is something like Hamas well then maybe they are going to use it. The people of Palestine thank you for supporting the notion that Hamas should sacrifice them for their own greater good. You are unfortunately wasting your time trying to rationalise when we have some contributors openly legitimising a terrorist organisation, as you highlight. Which contributors are openly legitimising a terrorist organisation? legitimising = allow it, approve it. I asked you a simple question. Its frustrating asking simple questions and not getting an answer, isn't it. However, we're not allowed to 'name and shame'. Maybe we shouldn’t make the claim, then. You only have to read to either confirm or deny the claim. I'll repeat, we aren't allowed to 'name and shame'. He is still entitled to his opinion, you don't have to agree with him. " We’re all entitled to an opinion. Mine is that it’s a bold claim to accuse people (plural) of legitimising a terrorist organisation. | |||
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"No they shouldn’t release them, Negotiation should be those taken by Hamas for those taken in the West Bank. They are one & the same, innocents, no charges made & dragged off the streets. Once both sides give up their hostages then they can talk about a ceasefire... ...if their only weapon is something like Hamas well then maybe they are going to use it. The people of Palestine thank you for supporting the notion that Hamas should sacrifice them for their own greater good. You are unfortunately wasting your time trying to rationalise when we have some contributors openly legitimising a terrorist organisation, as you highlight. Which contributors are openly legitimising a terrorist organisation? legitimising = allow it, approve it. I asked you a simple question. Its frustrating asking simple questions and not getting an answer, isn't it. However, we're not allowed to 'name and shame'. Maybe we shouldn’t make the claim, then. You only have to read to either confirm or deny the claim. I'll repeat, we aren't allowed to 'name and shame'. He is still entitled to his opinion, you don't have to agree with him. " Perhaps a Mod could clear this up? The “no name and shame” is a rule (originally) to stop people bad mouthing other swingers (for no shows and time wasting etc). Not sure you cannot point to a specific poster and post within the thread as that is surely a discussion? | |||
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"No they shouldn’t release them, Negotiation should be those taken by Hamas for those taken in the West Bank. They are one & the same, innocents, no charges made & dragged off the streets. Once both sides give up their hostages then they can talk about a ceasefire... ...if their only weapon is something like Hamas well then maybe they are going to use it. The people of Palestine thank you for supporting the notion that Hamas should sacrifice them for their own greater good. You are unfortunately wasting your time trying to rationalise when we have some contributors openly legitimising a terrorist organisation, as you highlight. Which contributors are openly legitimising a terrorist organisation? legitimising = allow it, approve it. I asked you a simple question. Its frustrating asking simple questions and not getting an answer, isn't it. However, we're not allowed to 'name and shame'. Maybe we shouldn’t make the claim, then. You only have to read to either confirm or deny the claim. I'll repeat, we aren't allowed to 'name and shame'. He is still entitled to his opinion, you don't have to agree with him. We’re all entitled to an opinion. Mine is that it’s a bold claim to accuse people (plural) of legitimising a terrorist organisation." Which you're entitled to. It may well be a bold claim but its his claim. One many would agree with, as much as many would disagree with. That doesn't make either side right or wrong. This has always been an issue round here, people trying to 'win'. | |||
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"No they shouldn’t release them, Negotiation should be those taken by Hamas for those taken in the West Bank. They are one & the same, innocents, no charges made & dragged off the streets. Once both sides give up their hostages then they can talk about a ceasefire... ...if their only weapon is something like Hamas well then maybe they are going to use it. The people of Palestine thank you for supporting the notion that Hamas should sacrifice them for their own greater good. You are unfortunately wasting your time trying to rationalise when we have some contributors openly legitimising a terrorist organisation, as you highlight. Which contributors are openly legitimising a terrorist organisation? legitimising = allow it, approve it. I asked you a simple question. Its frustrating asking simple questions and not getting an answer, isn't it. However, we're not allowed to 'name and shame'. Maybe we shouldn’t make the claim, then. You only have to read to either confirm or deny the claim. I'll repeat, we aren't allowed to 'name and shame'. He is still entitled to his opinion, you don't have to agree with him. Perhaps a Mod could clear this up? The “no name and shame” is a rule (originally) to stop people bad mouthing other swingers (for no shows and time wasting etc). Not sure you cannot point to a specific poster and post within the thread as that is surely a discussion?" I have been suspended and warned many times for it myself. | |||
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" You are unfortunately wasting your time trying to rationalise when we have some contributors openly legitimising a terrorist organisation, as you highlight. " Who has? Actually no one has have they? Which your fully aware of, do the right thing and withdraw the accusation.. Having opposing views is part of this forum and that's fine, making baseless claims about supporting terrorists is wrong.. Your better than this.. | |||
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" You are unfortunately wasting your time trying to rationalise when we have some contributors openly legitimising a terrorist organisation, as you highlight. Who has? Actually no one has have they? Which your fully aware of, do the right thing and withdraw the accusation.. Having opposing views is part of this forum and that's fine, making baseless claims about supporting terrorists is wrong.. Your better than this.." | |||
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"I feel very sad that an Israeli supporter has died in the US. There is a stark contrast between the behaviours of the supporters when such demos are carried out take last weekends one here where people were threatened for going in McDonald’s FFS. I feel even sadder that children are being killed roughly at the rate of ten minutes in Gaza. " What about the different poppy sellers being harrased and attacked over the weekend (not isolated, being that it happened in multiple cities)? Some if these 'protestors' do not want peace, they want terror. | |||
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"I feel very sad that an Israeli supporter has died in the US. There is a stark contrast between the behaviours of the supporters when such demos are carried out take last weekends one here where people were threatened for going in McDonald’s FFS. I feel even sadder that children are being killed roughly at the rate of ten minutes in Gaza. What about the different poppy sellers being harrased and attacked over the weekend (not isolated, being that it happened in multiple cities)? Some if these 'protestors' do not want peace, they want terror. " I don’t think anyone here supports violent protest in any form. | |||
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"I feel very sad that an Israeli supporter has died in the US. There is a stark contrast between the behaviours of the supporters when such demos are carried out take last weekends one here where people were threatened for going in McDonald’s FFS. I feel even sadder that children are being killed roughly at the rate of ten minutes in Gaza. What about the different poppy sellers being harrased and attacked over the weekend (not isolated, being that it happened in multiple cities)? Some if these 'protestors' do not want peace, they want terror. I don’t think anyone here supports violent protest in any form." In my experience people brush violent protest off as 'only a small minority' and hide behind the right to protest. Very very few people will openly 'support' it. I note some people will never highlight violent protest and then provide your response as standard. It's quite easy to denounce, but that only happens after dialogue, never before. | |||
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"I feel very sad that an Israeli supporter has died in the US. There is a stark contrast between the behaviours of the supporters when such demos are carried out take last weekends one here where people were threatened for going in McDonald’s FFS. I feel even sadder that children are being killed roughly at the rate of ten minutes in Gaza. What about the different poppy sellers being harrased and attacked over the weekend (not isolated, being that it happened in multiple cities)? Some if these 'protestors' do not want peace, they want terror. " Agreed elderly poppy seller punched in the face over the weekend. There is a quiet dignity with the return the hostages protest. The Palestine protests whilst the majority behave there is a lot of thuggish behaviour and when people are called upon to oppose Hamas they were attacked. Scary times. | |||
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"I feel very sad that an Israeli supporter has died in the US. There is a stark contrast between the behaviours of the supporters when such demos are carried out take last weekends one here where people were threatened for going in McDonald’s FFS. I feel even sadder that children are being killed roughly at the rate of ten minutes in Gaza. What about the different poppy sellers being harrased and attacked over the weekend (not isolated, being that it happened in multiple cities)? Some if these 'protestors' do not want peace, they want terror. " Pretty much every protest for every reason in the UK in the last probably thirty years has had a violent contingent. Usually they are the more anarchistic of society no matter what their race or religion. My “Obvious support” of this terrorist group is no more real than the “Obvious support” of other posters support of state run terrorism. Imo, If anyone here thinks it’s ok to be killing 10,000 people to achieve if you are lucky 100 actual targets deaths & over 4000 of those are children then there is something seriously seriously wrong with your moral compass. S | |||
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"I feel very sad that an Israeli supporter has died in the US. There is a stark contrast between the behaviours of the supporters when such demos are carried out take last weekends one here where people were threatened for going in McDonald’s FFS. I feel even sadder that children are being killed roughly at the rate of ten minutes in Gaza. What about the different poppy sellers being harrased and attacked over the weekend (not isolated, being that it happened in multiple cities)? Some if these 'protestors' do not want peace, they want terror. Pretty much every protest for every reason in the UK in the last probably thirty years has had a violent contingent. Usually they are the more anarchistic of society no matter what their race or religion. My “Obvious support” of this terrorist group is no more real than the “Obvious support” of other posters support of state run terrorism. Imo, If anyone here thinks it’s ok to be killing 10,000 people to achieve if you are lucky 100 actual targets deaths & over 4000 of those are children then there is something seriously seriously wrong with your moral compass. S" I'm not sure what most of that has to do with my post. However, 100 actual targets? Come on, be real. | |||
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"elderly poppy seller punched in the face over the weekend" I had not seen/heard about this. Absolutely fucking disgusting behaviour. Apart from anything, assaulting an old person! But I have a BIG issue with people not respecting the culture in this country and missing the actual point of poppies! | |||
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"I feel very sad that an Israeli supporter has died in the US. There is a stark contrast between the behaviours of the supporters when such demos are carried out take last weekends one here where people were threatened for going in McDonald’s FFS. I feel even sadder that children are being killed roughly at the rate of ten minutes in Gaza. What about the different poppy sellers being harrased and attacked over the weekend (not isolated, being that it happened in multiple cities)? Some if these 'protestors' do not want peace, they want terror. Pretty much every protest for every reason in the UK in the last probably thirty years has had a violent contingent. Usually they are the more anarchistic of society no matter what their race or religion. My “Obvious support” of this terrorist group is no more real than the “Obvious support” of other posters support of state run terrorism. Imo, If anyone here thinks it’s ok to be killing 10,000 people to achieve if you are lucky 100 actual targets deaths & over 4000 of those are children then there is something seriously seriously wrong with your moral compass. S I'm not sure what most of that has to do with my post. However, 100 actual targets? Come on, be real. " How many of the Hamas in the tunnels do you think the bombings alone killed then? A genuine question, because all we are told is they are in the tunnels up to fifty metres underground, we are told by Blu that a few pieces of special ordinance exists that could destroy them but there’s no evidence Israel either has these weapons nor if they did have so far used them. So it’s likely the only Hamas to die have been those caught on the surface & prior to the land troops going in not many would have had to be on the surface. In a war if you don’t need to be where you are likely to get blown up then you wouldn’t be there until you needed to be there. So bearing in mind dead is dead & every Hamas fighter is after all a Palestinian, you have now 10,500 dead, approx 4,000 children, 2,500 women (Hamas I’m pretty sure don’t have women fighters) & nearly 1,000 Octogenarians, leaving 3,000. What proportion of those do you think might be Hamas? 1,000? 500? 100? Remember Palestinians live on the surface, Hamas/Palestinians live in tunnels. Even if you said 20% you still just killed 9,900 to get 600 legitimate targets. In any modern war outside of this theatre that would 100% be a war crime. S | |||
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"elderly poppy seller punched in the face over the weekend I had not seen/heard about this. Absolutely fucking disgusting behaviour. Apart from anything, assaulting an old person! But I have a BIG issue with people not respecting the culture in this country and missing the actual point of poppies!" Fully agree.. Sadly as a society we aren't shocked that every now and then some scumbag will steal a charity box but what's been reported is another low.. Vile behaviour.. | |||
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"elderly poppy seller punched in the face over the weekend I had not seen/heard about this. Absolutely fucking disgusting behaviour. Apart from anything, assaulting an old person! But I have a BIG issue with people not respecting the culture in this country and missing the actual point of poppies! Fully agree.. Sadly as a society we aren't shocked that every now and then some scumbag will steal a charity box but what's been reported is another low.. Vile behaviour.." We should judge all protestors by this individual though. That's how the media works, report on this and imply all the people who are protesting against genocide are actually only interested in punching OAPs in the face. As this thread demonstrates. It's working. | |||
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"I feel very sad that an Israeli supporter has died in the US. There is a stark contrast between the behaviours of the supporters when such demos are carried out take last weekends one here where people were threatened for going in McDonald’s FFS. I feel even sadder that children are being killed roughly at the rate of ten minutes in Gaza. What about the different poppy sellers being harrased and attacked over the weekend (not isolated, being that it happened in multiple cities)? Some if these 'protestors' do not want peace, they want terror. Pretty much every protest for every reason in the UK in the last probably thirty years has had a violent contingent. Usually they are the more anarchistic of society no matter what their race or religion. My “Obvious support” of this terrorist group is no more real than the “Obvious support” of other posters support of state run terrorism. Imo, If anyone here thinks it’s ok to be killing 10,000 people to achieve if you are lucky 100 actual targets deaths & over 4000 of those are children then there is something seriously seriously wrong with your moral compass. S I'm not sure what most of that has to do with my post. However, 100 actual targets? Come on, be real. How many of the Hamas in the tunnels do you think the bombings alone killed then? A genuine question, because all we are told is they are in the tunnels up to fifty metres underground, we are told by Blu that a few pieces of special ordinance exists that could destroy them but there’s no evidence Israel either has these weapons nor if they did have so far used them. So it’s likely the only Hamas to die have been those caught on the surface & prior to the land troops going in not many would have had to be on the surface. In a war if you don’t need to be where you are likely to get blown up then you wouldn’t be there until you needed to be there. So bearing in mind dead is dead & every Hamas fighter is after all a Palestinian, you have now 10,500 dead, approx 4,000 children, 2,500 women (Hamas I’m pretty sure don’t have women fighters) & nearly 1,000 Octogenarians, leaving 3,000. What proportion of those do you think might be Hamas? 1,000? 500? 100? Remember Palestinians live on the surface, Hamas/Palestinians live in tunnels. Even if you said 20% you still just killed 9,900 to get 600 legitimate targets. In any modern war outside of this theatre that would 100% be a war crime. S" This would just go round in circles all day tbh. As sad as it is for children to be killed, we have no idea of the number. You choose to accept what Hamas tells us is correct, that's fine but I'm not taking it as gospel. Hamas may not have women 'fighters' but I don't believe for one minute that women aren't involved in support roles. You've made a complete guess at '100'. That's cool, but I don't believe only 100 have been killed. | |||
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"elderly poppy seller punched in the face over the weekend I had not seen/heard about this. Absolutely fucking disgusting behaviour. Apart from anything, assaulting an old person! But I have a BIG issue with people not respecting the culture in this country and missing the actual point of poppies! Fully agree.. Sadly as a society we aren't shocked that every now and then some scumbag will steal a charity box but what's been reported is another low.. Vile behaviour.. We should judge all protestors by this individual though. That's how the media works, report on this and imply all the people who are protesting against genocide are actually only interested in punching OAPs in the face. As this thread demonstrates. It's working. " It wasn't one individual. Your attempts at satire are quite frankly, insulting. | |||
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"elderly poppy seller punched in the face over the weekend I had not seen/heard about this. Absolutely fucking disgusting behaviour. Apart from anything, assaulting an old person! But I have a BIG issue with people not respecting the culture in this country and missing the actual point of poppies! Fully agree.. Sadly as a society we aren't shocked that every now and then some scumbag will steal a charity box but what's been reported is another low.. Vile behaviour.. We should judge all protestors by this individual though. That's how the media works, report on this and imply all the people who are protesting against genocide are actually only interested in punching OAPs in the face. As this thread demonstrates. It's working. " I can see why your saying that but I think it's important, possibly more so in these current times than ever before to not go down the route of one side good one side bad which I know you've said before.. It's too easy to overlook or ignore the complexity of an issue and certainly I think we all at some point have done so depending on the specific event (s).. There are those (again, I've seen you raise it) who only want tribalism and division as when that happens it's easier to exploit and further said divisions and that's a slippery slope.. | |||
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"elderly poppy seller punched in the face over the weekend I had not seen/heard about this. Absolutely fucking disgusting behaviour. Apart from anything, assaulting an old person! But I have a BIG issue with people not respecting the culture in this country and missing the actual point of poppies! Fully agree.. Sadly as a society we aren't shocked that every now and then some scumbag will steal a charity box but what's been reported is another low.. Vile behaviour.. We should judge all protestors by this individual though. That's how the media works, report on this and imply all the people who are protesting against genocide are actually only interested in punching OAPs in the face. As this thread demonstrates. It's working. It wasn't one individual. Your attempts at satire are quite frankly, insulting. " What actually happened? | |||
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"elderly poppy seller punched in the face over the weekend I had not seen/heard about this. Absolutely fucking disgusting behaviour. Apart from anything, assaulting an old person! But I have a BIG issue with people not respecting the culture in this country and missing the actual point of poppies! Fully agree.. Sadly as a society we aren't shocked that every now and then some scumbag will steal a charity box but what's been reported is another low.. Vile behaviour.. We should judge all protestors by this individual though. That's how the media works, report on this and imply all the people who are protesting against genocide are actually only interested in punching OAPs in the face. As this thread demonstrates. It's working. I can see why your saying that but I think it's important, possibly more so in these current times than ever before to not go down the route of one side good one side bad which I know you've said before.. It's too easy to overlook or ignore the complexity of an issue and certainly I think we all at some point have done so depending on the specific event (s).. There are those (again, I've seen you raise it) who only want tribalism and division as when that happens it's easier to exploit and further said divisions and that's a slippery slope.." Well said, and I also know what Johnny was getting at, ie the demonisation of the many through the actions of the few. | |||
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"It would do everyone well to check out the Barnaby Raine discussion with JRM (whatever you think of JRM). It shows the standard line trotted out by the left 'I want a world wherebit doesn't happen' whilst completely refusing to condemn Hamas attacks. We can all see it with our own eyes. " Is it really a blunt left/right issue though? | |||
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"elderly poppy seller punched in the face over the weekend I had not seen/heard about this. Absolutely fucking disgusting behaviour. Apart from anything, assaulting an old person! But I have a BIG issue with people not respecting the culture in this country and missing the actual point of poppies! Fully agree.. Sadly as a society we aren't shocked that every now and then some scumbag will steal a charity box but what's been reported is another low.. Vile behaviour.. We should judge all protestors by this individual though. That's how the media works, report on this and imply all the people who are protesting against genocide are actually only interested in punching OAPs in the face. As this thread demonstrates. It's working. I can see why your saying that but I think it's important, possibly more so in these current times than ever before to not go down the route of one side good one side bad which I know you've said before.. It's too easy to overlook or ignore the complexity of an issue and certainly I think we all at some point have done so depending on the specific event (s).. There are those (again, I've seen you raise it) who only want tribalism and division as when that happens it's easier to exploit and further said divisions and that's a slippery slope.. Well said, and I also know what Johnny was getting at, ie the demonisation of the many through the actions of the few." Thank you.. When I saw the inflammatory language by the Home Secretary i thought that's a rallying call to those on the far right to kick off.. | |||
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"It would do everyone well to check out the Barnaby Raine discussion with JRM (whatever you think of JRM). It shows the standard line trotted out by the left 'I want a world wherebit doesn't happen' whilst completely refusing to condemn Hamas attacks. We can all see it with our own eyes. " Has anyone here refused to condemn the Hamas attacks, then? | |||
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"It would do everyone well to check out the Barnaby Raine discussion with JRM (whatever you think of JRM). It shows the standard line trotted out by the left 'I want a world wherebit doesn't happen' whilst completely refusing to condemn Hamas attacks. We can all see it with our own eyes. Has anyone here refused to condemn the Hamas attacks, then? " Watch the discussion. The answer is yes. Plenty. | |||
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"It would do everyone well to check out the Barnaby Raine discussion with JRM (whatever you think of JRM). It shows the standard line trotted out by the left 'I want a world wherebit doesn't happen' whilst completely refusing to condemn Hamas attacks. We can all see it with our own eyes. Is it really a blunt left/right issue though?" From what I've seen, only people on the left have refused to condemn. | |||
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"It would do everyone well to check out the Barnaby Raine discussion with JRM (whatever you think of JRM). It shows the standard line trotted out by the left 'I want a world wherebit doesn't happen' whilst completely refusing to condemn Hamas attacks. We can all see it with our own eyes. " If your going to point people to something said about the 'left' on the current conflict then how about something to balance that by Corbyn for example.. I've not listened to anything either have said in any subject for a good while but I would wager that both are using the situation in Gaza as simply another tool to demonise the other side..? I'm not sure why anyone might fall for such divisive propaganda.. | |||
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"It would do everyone well to check out the Barnaby Raine discussion with JRM (whatever you think of JRM). It shows the standard line trotted out by the left 'I want a world wherebit doesn't happen' whilst completely refusing to condemn Hamas attacks. We can all see it with our own eyes. Is it really a blunt left/right issue though? From what I've seen, only people on the left have refused to condemn. " But many have done so.. | |||
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"It would do everyone well to check out the Barnaby Raine discussion with JRM (whatever you think of JRM). It shows the standard line trotted out by the left 'I want a world wherebit doesn't happen' whilst completely refusing to condemn Hamas attacks. We can all see it with our own eyes. If your going to point people to something said about the 'left' on the current conflict then how about something to balance that by Corbyn for example.. I've not listened to anything either have said in any subject for a good while but I would wager that both are using the situation in Gaza as simply another tool to demonise the other side..? I'm not sure why anyone might fall for such divisive propaganda.." Nothing was said about the 'left'. It was a discussion between left and right. Go watch it. | |||
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"It would do everyone well to check out the Barnaby Raine discussion with JRM (whatever you think of JRM). It shows the standard line trotted out by the left 'I want a world wherebit doesn't happen' whilst completely refusing to condemn Hamas attacks. We can all see it with our own eyes. Is it really a blunt left/right issue though? From what I've seen, only people on the left have refused to condemn. But many have done so.. " And many haven't. That's the point. | |||
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"It would do everyone well to check out the Barnaby Raine discussion with JRM (whatever you think of JRM). It shows the standard line trotted out by the left 'I want a world wherebit doesn't happen' whilst completely refusing to condemn Hamas attacks. We can all see it with our own eyes. Has anyone here refused to condemn the Hamas attacks, then? Watch the discussion. The answer is yes. Plenty. " In here? I’ve not seen anyone refuse to condemn Hamas. Happy to be proven wrong. | |||
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"It would do everyone well to check out the Barnaby Raine discussion with JRM (whatever you think of JRM). It shows the standard line trotted out by the left 'I want a world wherebit doesn't happen' whilst completely refusing to condemn Hamas attacks. We can all see it with our own eyes. If your going to point people to something said about the 'left' on the current conflict then how about something to balance that by Corbyn for example.. I've not listened to anything either have said in any subject for a good while but I would wager that both are using the situation in Gaza as simply another tool to demonise the other side..? I'm not sure why anyone might fall for such divisive propaganda.. Nothing was said about the 'left'. It was a discussion between left and right. Go watch it. " The second paragraph does or is that what you took from it? | |||
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"It would do everyone well to check out the Barnaby Raine discussion with JRM (whatever you think of JRM). It shows the standard line trotted out by the left 'I want a world wherebit doesn't happen' whilst completely refusing to condemn Hamas attacks. We can all see it with our own eyes. Has anyone here refused to condemn the Hamas attacks, then? Watch the discussion. The answer is yes. Plenty. In here? I’ve not seen anyone refuse to condemn Hamas. Happy to be proven wrong." Many have in here. Maybe not on this thread. However, we don't live in a bubble of fab forums. Wider context is needed and offered. You yourself have used the same line, many times. | |||
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"It would do everyone well to check out the Barnaby Raine discussion with JRM (whatever you think of JRM). It shows the standard line trotted out by the left 'I want a world wherebit doesn't happen' whilst completely refusing to condemn Hamas attacks. We can all see it with our own eyes. If your going to point people to something said about the 'left' on the current conflict then how about something to balance that by Corbyn for example.. I've not listened to anything either have said in any subject for a good while but I would wager that both are using the situation in Gaza as simply another tool to demonise the other side..? I'm not sure why anyone might fall for such divisive propaganda.. Nothing was said about the 'left'. It was a discussion between left and right. Go watch it. The second paragraph does or is that what you took from it? " All of that was my own words apart from the quotation, that's usually how these things work. | |||
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"elderly poppy seller punched in the face over the weekend I had not seen/heard about this. Absolutely fucking disgusting behaviour. Apart from anything, assaulting an old person! But I have a BIG issue with people not respecting the culture in this country and missing the actual point of poppies! Fully agree.. Sadly as a society we aren't shocked that every now and then some scumbag will steal a charity box but what's been reported is another low.. Vile behaviour.. We should judge all protestors by this individual though. That's how the media works, report on this and imply all the people who are protesting against genocide are actually only interested in punching OAPs in the face. As this thread demonstrates. It's working. " **************************************** Total codswallop. Some folks just aren't capable of a reasonable debate and it occasionally shows. Pity, lots of........ | |||
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"It would do everyone well to check out the Barnaby Raine discussion with JRM (whatever you think of JRM). It shows the standard line trotted out by the left 'I want a world wherebit doesn't happen' whilst completely refusing to condemn Hamas attacks. We can all see it with our own eyes. Is it really a blunt left/right issue though? From what I've seen, only people on the left have refused to condemn. But many have done so.. And many haven't. That's the point. " And 'many' have kept schtum on the dead Palestinian children and the ethnic cleansing allowed by Israel in the West Bank? It's pretty naive to think everyone on whatever side would condemn whatever atrocity by whomever upon innocents, it's not how it's ever been in history.. Using it as a stick to attack the left or the right or anyone seems bizarre.. | |||
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"No they shouldn’t release them, Negotiation should be those taken by Hamas for those taken in the West Bank. They are one & the same, innocents, no charges made & dragged off the streets. Once both sides give up their hostages then they can talk about a ceasefire. S Okay. Just think for one second. Let this sink in. You do not believe that Hamas should release the hostages. Whom do you hate more, the Palestinians who will continue to suffer bombardment, or the Israeli civilians being r.aped, burned and tortured? Firstly, you are drawing a moral equivalence between *Hamas* and Israel. Secondly, you are showing a blatant support for Hamas generally and its kid.napping specifically. For anyone asking who on this forum supports Hamas, here it is, folks." There is certainly justification for the actions of kid.napping by some members of this forum (see above). This seems to be general support for Hamas's methods and objectives. Saying that "Once both sides give up their hostages then they can talk about a ceasefire" suggests support for Hamas's objectives with a disregard for the humanitarian needs of the Palestinian community. | |||
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