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Protester: “And yet when they march down with hundreds of Palestinian flags you won’t say a word.”
Officer: “There’s way more of them than they are is of us right now.”
Ignore the fact that it's a pro-Palestine protest.
I'd like to know if this is the real reason the Met don't tackle thugs within protests?
That they're actually scared? That's a very very sad state. |
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"Israeli Heritage minister says that dropping a nuclear bomb on Gaza is “one of the possibilities” and that the Palestinian population can “go to Ireland or deserts”.
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Immediately fired from cabinet and denounced by politicians on all sides.
What happens when similar comments are made about Israel from literally anyone else in the region?
Give some context, or your facts become terribly misleading. |
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"Protester: “And yet when they march down with hundreds of Palestinian flags you won’t say a word.”
Officer: “There’s way more of them than they are is of us right now.”
Ignore the fact that it's a pro-Palestine protest.
I'd like to know if this is the real reason the Met don't tackle thugs within protests?
That they're actually scared? That's a very very sad state. "
Public order policing has always had difficulties in "arresting people" during the event unless it "life & limb"... once you arrest someone that's at least a couple of officers off the deployment..won't be long until there are not enough left to police the event safely..
Follow up arrests after the event using CCTV and other forms of evidence gathering are the norm.
Nothing to do with being scared |
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"Protester: “And yet when they march down with hundreds of Palestinian flags you won’t say a word.”
Officer: “There’s way more of them than they are is of us right now.”
Ignore the fact that it's a pro-Palestine protest.
I'd like to know if this is the real reason the Met don't tackle thugs within protests?
That they're actually scared? That's a very very sad state.
Public order policing has always had difficulties in "arresting people" during the event unless it "life & limb"... once you arrest someone that's at least a couple of officers off the deployment..won't be long until there are not enough left to police the event safely..
Follow up arrests after the event using CCTV and other forms of evidence gathering are the norm.
Nothing to do with being scared"
I understand there may not be 'enough police on the ground'.
However, the longer its allowed to continue, the worse it gets. We were seeing last night 'protestors' launching fireworks at police. |
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over a year ago
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"Protester: “And yet when they march down with hundreds of Palestinian flags you won’t say a word.”
Officer: “There’s way more of them than they are is of us right now.”
Ignore the fact that it's a pro-Palestine protest.
I'd like to know if this is the real reason the Met don't tackle thugs within protests?
That they're actually scared? That's a very very sad state. "
there are more protestors than cops. That will dictate how they manage any protest.
Context feels key here. It sounds like they are feeling unfairly treated. What happened before this two second interaction?
(Also, I'm assuming you aren't saying that having a palenstine flag on itself makes someone a thug?) |
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"Protester: “And yet when they march down with hundreds of Palestinian flags you won’t say a word.”
Officer: “There’s way more of them than they are is of us right now.”
Ignore the fact that it's a pro-Palestine protest.
I'd like to know if this is the real reason the Met don't tackle thugs within protests?
That they're actually scared? That's a very very sad state. there are more protestors than cops. That will dictate how they manage any protest.
Context feels key here. It sounds like they are feeling unfairly treated. What happened before this two second interaction?
(Also, I'm assuming you aren't saying that having a palenstine flag on itself makes someone a thug?) "
You would assume correctly, seeing as I said 'ignore the fact that it's a pro-Palestine protest'
The point was about the officers reply, not about any particular protest.
The context is that the officer was asking the gentlemen to keep their flags off of railings, something with which I actually agree with. |
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By *abioMan
over a year ago
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"Protester: “And yet when they march down with hundreds of Palestinian flags you won’t say a word.”
Officer: “There’s way more of them than they are is of us right now.”
Ignore the fact that it's a pro-Palestine protest.
I'd like to know if this is the real reason the Met don't tackle thugs within protests?
That they're actually scared? That's a very very sad state. "
But flying the Palestinian flag itself is not an offence…. If they are flying the flag of a terrorist organisation that can be a public order offence… same as certain chanting that can be deemed to be an incitement to violence… |
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"Protester: “And yet when they march down with hundreds of Palestinian flags you won’t say a word.”
Officer: “There’s way more of them than they are is of us right now.”
Ignore the fact that it's a pro-Palestine protest.
I'd like to know if this is the real reason the Met don't tackle thugs within protests?
That they're actually scared? That's a very very sad state. there are more protestors than cops. That will dictate how they manage any protest.
Context feels key here. It sounds like they are feeling unfairly treated. What happened before this two second interaction?
(Also, I'm assuming you aren't saying that having a palenstine flag on itself makes someone a thug?)
You would assume correctly, seeing as I said 'ignore the fact that it's a pro-Palestine protest'
The point was about the officers reply, not about any particular protest.
The context is that the officer was asking the gentlemen to keep their flags off of railings, something with which I actually agree with. "
 want 100pc sure how that sentence was meant to flow.
I'd say marching with flags is different to putting flags in railings. Even without knowing what the flag was.
And regardless. I would expect them to police an individual different to a crowd. Even if they matched them man to man, I'd expect that. |
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By *abioMan
over a year ago
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"Israeli Heritage minister says that dropping a nuclear bomb on Gaza is “one of the possibilities” and that the Palestinian population can “go to Ireland or deserts”.
Immediately fired from cabinet and denounced by politicians on all sides.
What happens when similar comments are made about Israel from literally anyone else in the region?
Give some context, or your facts become terribly misleading."
Actually… the person in question has actually been suspended from the cabinet… not fired!
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"Protester: “And yet when they march down with hundreds of Palestinian flags you won’t say a word.”
Officer: “There’s way more of them than they are is of us right now.”
Ignore the fact that it's a pro-Palestine protest.
I'd like to know if this is the real reason the Met don't tackle thugs within protests?
That they're actually scared? That's a very very sad state. there are more protestors than cops. That will dictate how they manage any protest.
Context feels key here. It sounds like they are feeling unfairly treated. What happened before this two second interaction?
(Also, I'm assuming you aren't saying that having a palenstine flag on itself makes someone a thug?)
You would assume correctly, seeing as I said 'ignore the fact that it's a pro-Palestine protest'
The point was about the officers reply, not about any particular protest.
The context is that the officer was asking the gentlemen to keep their flags off of railings, something with which I actually agree with. want 100pc sure how that sentence was meant to flow.
I'd say marching with flags is different to putting flags in railings. Even without knowing what the flag was.
And regardless. I would expect them to police an individual different to a crowd. Even if they matched them man to man, I'd expect that. "
I guess that's where we differ. I expect the same standards regardless.
It's crazy that 'there's only a few thugs'(which I agree with) but when Tommy Robinsons lot were marching 'they were all thugs'. |
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"Protester: “And yet when they march down with hundreds of Palestinian flags you won’t say a word.”
Officer: “There’s way more of them than they are is of us right now.”
Ignore the fact that it's a pro-Palestine protest.
I'd like to know if this is the real reason the Met don't tackle thugs within protests?
That they're actually scared? That's a very very sad state. there are more protestors than cops. That will dictate how they manage any protest.
Context feels key here. It sounds like they are feeling unfairly treated. What happened before this two second interaction?
(Also, I'm assuming you aren't saying that having a palenstine flag on itself makes someone a thug?)
You would assume correctly, seeing as I said 'ignore the fact that it's a pro-Palestine protest'
The point was about the officers reply, not about any particular protest.
The context is that the officer was asking the gentlemen to keep their flags off of railings, something with which I actually agree with. want 100pc sure how that sentence was meant to flow.
I'd say marching with flags is different to putting flags in railings. Even without knowing what the flag was.
And regardless. I would expect them to police an individual different to a crowd. Even if they matched them man to man, I'd expect that.
I guess that's where we differ. I expect the same standards regardless.
It's crazy that 'there's only a few thugs'(which I agree with) but when Tommy Robinsons lot were marching 'they were all thugs'."
I'd like the same standards. I just don't think it's feasible. Arrest one dickhead who's by himself, nothing happens. Arrest one dickhead surrounded by 1000 others, you risk a load of aggro.
No comment on the thugs bit. Can't tell where that has all come from based on the quote. |
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"Protester: “And yet when they march down with hundreds of Palestinian flags you won’t say a word.”
Officer: “There’s way more of them than they are is of us right now.”
Ignore the fact that it's a pro-Palestine protest.
I'd like to know if this is the real reason the Met don't tackle thugs within protests?
That they're actually scared? That's a very very sad state. there are more protestors than cops. That will dictate how they manage any protest.
Context feels key here. It sounds like they are feeling unfairly treated. What happened before this two second interaction?
(Also, I'm assuming you aren't saying that having a palenstine flag on itself makes someone a thug?)
You would assume correctly, seeing as I said 'ignore the fact that it's a pro-Palestine protest'
The point was about the officers reply, not about any particular protest.
The context is that the officer was asking the gentlemen to keep their flags off of railings, something with which I actually agree with. want 100pc sure how that sentence was meant to flow.
I'd say marching with flags is different to putting flags in railings. Even without knowing what the flag was.
And regardless. I would expect them to police an individual different to a crowd. Even if they matched them man to man, I'd expect that.
I guess that's where we differ. I expect the same standards regardless.
It's crazy that 'there's only a few thugs'(which I agree with) but when Tommy Robinsons lot were marching 'they were all thugs'.I'd like the same standards. I just don't think it's feasible. Arrest one dickhead who's by himself, nothing happens. Arrest one dickhead surrounded by 1000 others, you risk a load of aggro.
No comment on the thugs bit. Can't tell where that has all come from based on the quote. "
You may well risk aggro but that's your job, hence the question, are they scared?
The quotes were mine based on general rhetoric aimed at these 2 different groups of protestors.
Even the amount of shit I'm taking in DMs for asking questions is ridiculous, apparently I'm a Zionist multiple times over  |
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"Protester: “And yet when they march down with hundreds of Palestinian flags you won’t say a word.”
Officer: “There’s way more of them than they are is of us right now.”
Ignore the fact that it's a pro-Palestine protest.
I'd like to know if this is the real reason the Met don't tackle thugs within protests?
That they're actually scared? That's a very very sad state. there are more protestors than cops. That will dictate how they manage any protest.
Context feels key here. It sounds like they are feeling unfairly treated. What happened before this two second interaction?
(Also, I'm assuming you aren't saying that having a palenstine flag on itself makes someone a thug?)
You would assume correctly, seeing as I said 'ignore the fact that it's a pro-Palestine protest'
The point was about the officers reply, not about any particular protest.
The context is that the officer was asking the gentlemen to keep their flags off of railings, something with which I actually agree with. want 100pc sure how that sentence was meant to flow.
I'd say marching with flags is different to putting flags in railings. Even without knowing what the flag was.
And regardless. I would expect them to police an individual different to a crowd. Even if they matched them man to man, I'd expect that.
I guess that's where we differ. I expect the same standards regardless.
It's crazy that 'there's only a few thugs'(which I agree with) but when Tommy Robinsons lot were marching 'they were all thugs'.I'd like the same standards. I just don't think it's feasible. Arrest one dickhead who's by himself, nothing happens. Arrest one dickhead surrounded by 1000 others, you risk a load of aggro.
No comment on the thugs bit. Can't tell where that has all come from based on the quote.
You may well risk aggro but that's your job, hence the question, are they scared?
The quotes were mine based on general rhetoric aimed at these 2 different groups of protestors.
Even the amount of shit I'm taking in DMs for asking questions is ridiculous, apparently I'm a Zionist multiple times over "
that's shit. Plenty of better reasons to get in your DMs.
In thinking the aggro includes damage to property, risk to bystanders etc. A full on toe to toe helps noone. |
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By *otMe66Man
over a year ago
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"Protester: “And yet when they march down with hundreds of Palestinian flags you won’t say a word.”
Officer: “There’s way more of them than they are is of us right now.”
Ignore the fact that it's a pro-Palestine protest.
I'd like to know if this is the real reason the Met don't tackle thugs within protests?
That they're actually scared? That's a very very sad state. "
The police are now relying on CCTV, social media posts and someone raising a complaint before they act on what is front of their noses on the day.
This is why we have people dressed in black, wearing masks threatening others who are eating in McDonalds, fighting with the police, vandalism and total disrespect for anything that they deem is not following their rules.
Unless we stop bending under the pressure of social media and politicians who grab onto any story by calling for people to be sacked and making everything about them and us, we are fucked.
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"Protester: “And yet when they march down with hundreds of Palestinian flags you won’t say a word.”
Officer: “There’s way more of them than they are is of us right now.”
Ignore the fact that it's a pro-Palestine protest.
I'd like to know if this is the real reason the Met don't tackle thugs within protests?
That they're actually scared? That's a very very sad state. there are more protestors than cops. That will dictate how they manage any protest.
Context feels key here. It sounds like they are feeling unfairly treated. What happened before this two second interaction?
(Also, I'm assuming you aren't saying that having a palenstine flag on itself makes someone a thug?)
You would assume correctly, seeing as I said 'ignore the fact that it's a pro-Palestine protest'
The point was about the officers reply, not about any particular protest.
The context is that the officer was asking the gentlemen to keep their flags off of railings, something with which I actually agree with. want 100pc sure how that sentence was meant to flow.
I'd say marching with flags is different to putting flags in railings. Even without knowing what the flag was.
And regardless. I would expect them to police an individual different to a crowd. Even if they matched them man to man, I'd expect that.
I guess that's where we differ. I expect the same standards regardless.
It's crazy that 'there's only a few thugs'(which I agree with) but when Tommy Robinsons lot were marching 'they were all thugs'.I'd like the same standards. I just don't think it's feasible. Arrest one dickhead who's by himself, nothing happens. Arrest one dickhead surrounded by 1000 others, you risk a load of aggro.
No comment on the thugs bit. Can't tell where that has all come from based on the quote.
You may well risk aggro but that's your job, hence the question, are they scared?
The quotes were mine based on general rhetoric aimed at these 2 different groups of protestors.
Even the amount of shit I'm taking in DMs for asking questions is ridiculous, apparently I'm a Zionist multiple times over that's shit. Plenty of better reasons to get in your DMs.
In thinking the aggro includes damage to property, risk to bystanders etc. A full on toe to toe helps noone. "
I agree with your thinking. I disagree with how to deal with it. |
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"Israeli Heritage minister says that dropping a nuclear bomb on Gaza is “one of the possibilities” and that the Palestinian population can “go to Ireland or deserts”.
Immediately fired from cabinet and denounced by politicians on all sides.
What happens when similar comments are made about Israel from literally anyone else in the region?
Give some context, or your facts become terribly misleading.
Actually… the person in question has actually been suspended from the cabinet… not fired!
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You are absolutely correct. Indefinitely suspended. Thank you. |
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What do the mass of the British public see when they see the British police today?
I see a bunch of unshaven, tattooed fat slobs who couldn’t run 100m if their lives depended on it.
Car knicked? House burgled? Call your insurance company, it’s not their problem.
Misgendered someone on “X”? Expect half a dozen of them to show up at dawn.
They have been emasculated by political correctness and are too cowardly to deal with real criminals who might come at them with a machete. So they just focus on enforcing right-think and mask wearing rules against the general law abiding public.
The policing of “Palestinian” marches is just a subset of the general problem. |
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Car knicked? House burgled? Call your insurance company, it’s not their problem.
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Maybe if we hadn’t seen police numbers slashed, police stations closed etc, we could have better results. |
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Car knicked? House burgled? Call your insurance company, it’s not their problem.
Maybe if we hadn’t seen police numbers slashed, police stations closed etc, we could have better results."
According to FullFact there are currently 3500 more officers now than there was in 2010. |
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Car knicked? House burgled? Call your insurance company, it’s not their problem.
Maybe if we hadn’t seen police numbers slashed, police stations closed etc, we could have better results.
According to FullFact there are currently 3500 more officers now than there was in 2010. "
According to statista there are 8000 fewer. An improvement on 2017 though, where there were 22k fewer. |
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Real terms spending on policing has also fallen since 2010, around 20%. 600 out of 900 police stations in England have been closed since 2010.
So conflicting numbers on officers, but far fewer stations and less spending on policing.
But sure, it’s political correctness and ‘woke’ to blame.
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"What do the mass of the British public see when they see the British police today?
I see a bunch of unshaven, tattooed fat slobs who couldn’t run 100m if their lives depended on it.
Car knicked? House burgled? Call your insurance company, it’s not their problem.
Misgendered someone on “X”? Expect half a dozen of them to show up at dawn.
They have been emasculated by political correctness and are too cowardly to deal with real criminals who might come at them with a machete. So they just focus on enforcing right-think and mask wearing rules against the general law abiding public.
The policing of “Palestinian” marches is just a subset of the general problem. "
I found it quite funny when a male was confronted in the crowd over his sign saying children can’t consent to puberty blockers. He was confronted by a leftist contingent who when told by other attendees that actually it was haram in their culture disappeared with a whimper.
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"Has flying the flag of Palestine been deemed a crime now?
Did you just come to argue?
Or do you have something to say about my questions?"
I simply asked you to clarify something you later did, that's not an argument as you should know..
Now you've clarified and given context to others on the rest of it, no I'm good ta.. |
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Car knicked? House burgled? Call your insurance company, it’s not their problem.
Maybe if we hadn’t seen police numbers slashed, police stations closed etc, we could have better results.
According to FullFact there are currently 3500 more officers now than there was in 2010.
According to statista there are 8000 fewer. An improvement on 2017 though, where there were 22k fewer."
In addition to this, apparently the leaver rate amongst officers is now the highest since comparable records began. So potentially while officer numbers maybe similar to 2010 (depending on source), suggests low morale causing high leaving rate and relative inexperience brought to replace former officers (my assumptions based upon data) |
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Car knicked? House burgled? Call your insurance company, it’s not their problem.
Maybe if we hadn’t seen police numbers slashed, police stations closed etc, we could have better results.
According to FullFact there are currently 3500 more officers now than there was in 2010.
According to statista there are 8000 fewer. An improvement on 2017 though, where there were 22k fewer."
I'll take the word of FullFact and The Police Federation over Statista, thanks. |
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"Real terms spending on policing has also fallen since 2010, around 20%. 600 out of 900 police stations in England have been closed since 2010.
So conflicting numbers on officers, but far fewer stations and less spending on policing.
But sure, it’s political correctness and ‘woke’ to blame.
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Who said anything about 'pc' or 'woke'? Apart from you, that is. |
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Car knicked? House burgled? Call your insurance company, it’s not their problem.
Maybe if we hadn’t seen police numbers slashed, police stations closed etc, we could have better results.
According to FullFact there are currently 3500 more officers now than there was in 2010.
According to statista there are 8000 fewer. An improvement on 2017 though, where there were 22k fewer.
I'll take the word of FullFact and The Police Federation over Statista, thanks. "
That’s absolutely fine. Let’s accept those figures. How does it work when you close 600 out of 900 police stations in a country? Presumably now you’ve got less local representation of officers, right? Farther to travel to crimes, officers spread across a broader area?
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Who said anything about 'pc' or 'woke'? Apart from you, that is."
The chap I quoted literally said it was political correctness. That’s why I mentioned it |
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….Car knicked? House burgled? Call your insurance company, it’s not their problem.
Misgendered someone on “X”? Expect half a dozen of them to show up at dawn.
They have been emasculated by political correctness and are too cowardly to deal with real criminals…"
There’s the quote in all its glory. A suggestion of wokery and a specific reference to political correctness.
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….Car knicked? House burgled? Call your insurance company, it’s not their problem.
Misgendered someone on “X”? Expect half a dozen of them to show up at dawn.
They have been emasculated by political correctness and are too cowardly to deal with real criminals…
There’s the quote in all its glory. A suggestion of wokery and a specific reference to political correctness.
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You didn't quote him, hence my confusion. |
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Car knicked? House burgled? Call your insurance company, it’s not their problem.
Maybe if we hadn’t seen police numbers slashed, police stations closed etc, we could have better results.
According to FullFact there are currently 3500 more officers now than there was in 2010.
According to statista there are 8000 fewer. An improvement on 2017 though, where there were 22k fewer.
I'll take the word of FullFact and The Police Federation over Statista, thanks. "
The full fact data does say there are 3500 more than in 2010 but it also give other data that shows within that figure that there are some forces, 2 in the North East plus Merseyside who have hundreds less officers than in 2010..
So whilst the home counties and the Met may be back to their 2010 figures plus their percentage of the increase its not an equal spread..
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Car knicked? House burgled? Call your insurance company, it’s not their problem.
Maybe if we hadn’t seen police numbers slashed, police stations closed etc, we could have better results.
According to FullFact there are currently 3500 more officers now than there was in 2010.
According to statista there are 8000 fewer. An improvement on 2017 though, where there were 22k fewer.
I'll take the word of FullFact and The Police Federation over Statista, thanks.
That’s absolutely fine. Let’s accept those figures. How does it work when you close 600 out of 900 police stations in a country? Presumably now you’ve got less local representation of officers, right? Farther to travel to crimes, officers spread across a broader area?
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There was only 900 stations in England?
I can speak for my locality, 3 stations closed (in fact 1 is still active but not to the public) and a superstation opened, that's actually much more efficient. |
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Car knicked? House burgled? Call your insurance company, it’s not their problem.
Maybe if we hadn’t seen police numbers slashed, police stations closed etc, we could have better results.
According to FullFact there are currently 3500 more officers now than there was in 2010.
According to statista there are 8000 fewer. An improvement on 2017 though, where there were 22k fewer.
I'll take the word of FullFact and The Police Federation over Statista, thanks.
The full fact data does say there are 3500 more than in 2010 but it also give other data that shows within that figure that there are some forces, 2 in the North East plus Merseyside who have hundreds less officers than in 2010..
So whilst the home counties and the Met may be back to their 2010 figures plus their percentage of the increase its not an equal spread..
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That is correct. I'm not arguing every single locality. The poster said 'police numbers slashed' and was clearly talking about nationally judging by his following posts. |
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Car knicked? House burgled? Call your insurance company, it’s not their problem.
Maybe if we hadn’t seen police numbers slashed, police stations closed etc, we could have better results.
According to FullFact there are currently 3500 more officers now than there was in 2010.
According to statista there are 8000 fewer. An improvement on 2017 though, where there were 22k fewer.
I'll take the word of FullFact and The Police Federation over Statista, thanks.
That’s absolutely fine. Let’s accept those figures. How does it work when you close 600 out of 900 police stations in a country? Presumably now you’ve got less local representation of officers, right? Farther to travel to crimes, officers spread across a broader area?
There was only 900 stations in England?
I can speak for my locality, 3 stations closed (in fact 1 is still active but not to the public) and a superstation opened, that's actually much more efficient. "
Apparently, since 2010 yes. 600 closed out of 900 |
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The same people who complain about the met will be exactly the same one's who then complain when they don't do enough to quell the protests then complain when they do, complain that they weren't heavy handed enough then complain when they are.
The public shouldn't dictate how the police "police" the law should dictate how they police.
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Car knicked? House burgled? Call your insurance company, it’s not their problem.
Maybe if we hadn’t seen police numbers slashed, police stations closed etc, we could have better results.
According to FullFact there are currently 3500 more officers now than there was in 2010.
According to statista there are 8000 fewer. An improvement on 2017 though, where there were 22k fewer.
I'll take the word of FullFact and The Police Federation over Statista, thanks.
That’s absolutely fine. Let’s accept those figures. How does it work when you close 600 out of 900 police stations in a country? Presumably now you’ve got less local representation of officers, right? Farther to travel to crimes, officers spread across a broader area?
There was only 900 stations in England?
I can speak for my locality, 3 stations closed (in fact 1 is still active but not to the public) and a superstation opened, that's actually much more efficient.
Apparently, since 2010 yes. 600 closed out of 900"
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Car knicked? House burgled? Call your insurance company, it’s not their problem.
Maybe if we hadn’t seen police numbers slashed, police stations closed etc, we could have better results.
According to FullFact there are currently 3500 more officers now than there was in 2010.
According to statista there are 8000 fewer. An improvement on 2017 though, where there were 22k fewer.
I'll take the word of FullFact and The Police Federation over Statista, thanks.
That’s absolutely fine. Let’s accept those figures. How does it work when you close 600 out of 900 police stations in a country? Presumably now you’ve got less local representation of officers, right? Farther to travel to crimes, officers spread across a broader area?
There was only 900 stations in England?
I can speak for my locality, 3 stations closed (in fact 1 is still active but not to the public) and a superstation opened, that's actually much more efficient.
Apparently, since 2010 yes. 600 closed out of 900
So there only 300 left?"
According to byline times, yes.
All sources appear to agree on the 600 closures. Some say there are ‘fewer than 500 stations’ left open |
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Car knicked? House burgled? Call your insurance company, it’s not their problem.
Maybe if we hadn’t seen police numbers slashed, police stations closed etc, we could have better results.
According to FullFact there are currently 3500 more officers now than there was in 2010.
According to statista there are 8000 fewer. An improvement on 2017 though, where there were 22k fewer.
I'll take the word of FullFact and The Police Federation over Statista, thanks.
That’s absolutely fine. Let’s accept those figures. How does it work when you close 600 out of 900 police stations in a country? Presumably now you’ve got less local representation of officers, right? Farther to travel to crimes, officers spread across a broader area?
There was only 900 stations in England?
I can speak for my locality, 3 stations closed (in fact 1 is still active but not to the public) and a superstation opened, that's actually much more efficient.
Apparently, since 2010 yes. 600 closed out of 900
So there only 300 left?
According to byline times, yes.
All sources appear to agree on the 600 closures. Some say there are ‘fewer than 500 stations’ left open "
The Byline Times...
Surely there's a better source than that |
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Car knicked? House burgled? Call your insurance company, it’s not their problem.
Maybe if we hadn’t seen police numbers slashed, police stations closed etc, we could have better results.
According to FullFact there are currently 3500 more officers now than there was in 2010.
According to statista there are 8000 fewer. An improvement on 2017 though, where there were 22k fewer.
I'll take the word of FullFact and The Police Federation over Statista, thanks.
That’s absolutely fine. Let’s accept those figures. How does it work when you close 600 out of 900 police stations in a country? Presumably now you’ve got less local representation of officers, right? Farther to travel to crimes, officers spread across a broader area?
There was only 900 stations in England?
I can speak for my locality, 3 stations closed (in fact 1 is still active but not to the public) and a superstation opened, that's actually much more efficient.
Apparently, since 2010 yes. 600 closed out of 900
So there only 300 left?
According to byline times, yes.
All sources appear to agree on the 600 closures. Some say there are ‘fewer than 500 stations’ left open
The Byline Times...
Surely there's a better source than that "
Like I said, sources vary, but all appear to agree on the 600 closures since 2010. |
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Car knicked? House burgled? Call your insurance company, it’s not their problem.
Maybe if we hadn’t seen police numbers slashed, police stations closed etc, we could have better results.
According to FullFact there are currently 3500 more officers now than there was in 2010.
According to statista there are 8000 fewer. An improvement on 2017 though, where there were 22k fewer.
I'll take the word of FullFact and The Police Federation over Statista, thanks.
That’s absolutely fine. Let’s accept those figures. How does it work when you close 600 out of 900 police stations in a country? Presumably now you’ve got less local representation of officers, right? Farther to travel to crimes, officers spread across a broader area?
There was only 900 stations in England?
I can speak for my locality, 3 stations closed (in fact 1 is still active but not to the public) and a superstation opened, that's actually much more efficient.
Apparently, since 2010 yes. 600 closed out of 900
So there only 300 left?
According to byline times, yes.
All sources appear to agree on the 600 closures. Some say there are ‘fewer than 500 stations’ left open
The Byline Times...
Surely there's a better source than that
Like I said, sources vary, but all appear to agree on the 600 closures since 2010."
I'm more interested in the 900 figure. If 600 of 900 have closed that's nearly 70%. Seems a lot even though I know locally that it's more efficient. |
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For those quoting policing levels, a few years back Tory’s fudged the figures by adding hobby bobbies to the officer numbers.
Quite when I’m not sure but take official figures with a pinch of salt. |
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Car knicked? House burgled? Call your insurance company, it’s not their problem.
Maybe if we hadn’t seen police numbers slashed, police stations closed etc, we could have better results.
According to FullFact there are currently 3500 more officers now than there was in 2010.
According to statista there are 8000 fewer. An improvement on 2017 though, where there were 22k fewer.
I'll take the word of FullFact and The Police Federation over Statista, thanks.
That’s absolutely fine. Let’s accept those figures. How does it work when you close 600 out of 900 police stations in a country? Presumably now you’ve got less local representation of officers, right? Farther to travel to crimes, officers spread across a broader area?
There was only 900 stations in England?
I can speak for my locality, 3 stations closed (in fact 1 is still active but not to the public) and a superstation opened, that's actually much more efficient.
Apparently, since 2010 yes. 600 closed out of 900
So there only 300 left?
According to byline times, yes.
All sources appear to agree on the 600 closures. Some say there are ‘fewer than 500 stations’ left open
The Byline Times...
Surely there's a better source than that
Like I said, sources vary, but all appear to agree on the 600 closures since 2010.
I'm more interested in the 900 figure. If 600 of 900 have closed that's nearly 70%. Seems a lot even though I know locally that it's more efficient. "
What is that efficiency based upon? I suspect a force is easier to manage effectively with fewer, larger stations - but regarding deployment to a crime in a hurry, a larger station farther away can’t be better than a local station. |
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"Protester: “And yet when they march down with hundreds of Palestinian flags you won’t say a word.”
Officer: “There’s way more of them than they are is of us right now.”
Ignore the fact that it's a pro-Palestine protest.
I'd like to know if this is the real reason the Met don't tackle thugs within protests?
That they're actually scared? That's a very very sad state. there are more protestors than cops. That will dictate how they manage any protest.
Context feels key here. It sounds like they are feeling unfairly treated. What happened before this two second interaction?
(Also, I'm assuming you aren't saying that having a palenstine flag on itself makes someone a thug?) "
Erm.
There were quite a fair few more ladies protesting during Sarah Everard marches and they arrested them.
Maybe it's easier to arrest women?
There were many many thousands at marches that vandalised uk statues and cities and broke lockdown rules that the police did nothing about.
I would prefer police and military if necessary to use all methods at their disposal should protests be illegally run and should violence ensue.
You have a right tonprotest. But it must be done legally.
It's not a good look for the met or any force to allow one protest to go without arrests and others to have arrests if both are conducted in the same manners.
The words are worrying. |
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Car knicked? House burgled? Call your insurance company, it’s not their problem.
Maybe if we hadn’t seen police numbers slashed, police stations closed etc, we could have better results."
Of course, whenever anyone complains about public services being dismal, which they always are, the retort is always “Tory cuts”, despite the astronomical increase in public sector debt that we have seen since 2010 under the “Far Right Government”.
Yet taxes are at their highest levels in decades and public services are worse than ever.
But it’s easy for the public sector: if the service is good, demand a pay rise; if the service is bad, demand a pay rise.
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Car knicked? House burgled? Call your insurance company, it’s not their problem.
Maybe if we hadn’t seen police numbers slashed, police stations closed etc, we could have better results.
According to FullFact there are currently 3500 more officers now than there was in 2010.
According to statista there are 8000 fewer. An improvement on 2017 though, where there were 22k fewer.
I'll take the word of FullFact and The Police Federation over Statista, thanks.
That’s absolutely fine. Let’s accept those figures. How does it work when you close 600 out of 900 police stations in a country? Presumably now you’ve got less local representation of officers, right? Farther to travel to crimes, officers spread across a broader area?
There was only 900 stations in England?
I can speak for my locality, 3 stations closed (in fact 1 is still active but not to the public) and a superstation opened, that's actually much more efficient.
Apparently, since 2010 yes. 600 closed out of 900
So there only 300 left?
According to byline times, yes.
All sources appear to agree on the 600 closures. Some say there are ‘fewer than 500 stations’ left open
The Byline Times...
Surely there's a better source than that
Like I said, sources vary, but all appear to agree on the 600 closures since 2010.
I'm more interested in the 900 figure. If 600 of 900 have closed that's nearly 70%. Seems a lot even though I know locally that it's more efficient.
What is that efficiency based upon? I suspect a force is easier to manage effectively with fewer, larger stations - but regarding deployment to a crime in a hurry, a larger station farther away can’t be better than a local station. "
I'm basing 'efficiency' on being easier to manage. Its situated on a dual carriageway threw town. There is one more further into the suburbs. Plus 'bobbies on the beat', I don't think they all just sit in the station waiting for a call. |
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Yet taxes are at their highest levels in decades and public services are worse than ever.
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I sort of understand the principal of not aggregating the protesters for fear of starting something even worse especially when there are so many. I wonder though as this was a well publicized march why the army were not brought in to help the police. Even if it allowed the police to arrest a few right leaders would have helped in my opinion. Obviously only if they have broken the law though. If a pro Israeli march happens on similar scale then hopefully they will be treated the same |
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Car knicked? House burgled? Call your insurance company, it’s not their problem.
Maybe if we hadn’t seen police numbers slashed, police stations closed etc, we could have better results."
I disagree, I’ve ridden motorcycles my whole life mainly while living in London & Essex & these very words were spoken to me by a desk jockey not ten minutes after I watched my bike being manhandled in to a van.
“Here’s your crime number for your insurance, it is insured is t it?”
“Yes”
“All good then you can get another one, good night”
I gave them make model, colour & first part of the reg & was in the station within ten minutes.
This was in 1993. They have been shit for the average persons problems for a very very long time.
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Elon has reinstated his account. Get ready for shit to be lost
Coming up to an election year as well. All the trigger stars are aligning "
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If you look at the kind of things the police arrest people for and the worse things the police decided to not any people, it's not hard to see that the police are batshit scared of groups of violent people. |
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"If you look at the kind of things the police arrest people for and the worse things the police decided to not any people, it's not hard to see that the police are batshit scared of groups of violent people."
I seen another one from yesterday...
A fella with a billboard about child transitions stands amongst Palestine protestors. A woman attacks him with a flag screaming at him. The police make him move and say its for his own safety, on initial though, that makes sense. The policeman goes on to tell him he was inciting a breach of the peace by standing amongst the crowd. The woman who attacked him? Nothing. Fucking mental. |
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"Protester: “And yet when they march down with hundreds of Palestinian flags you won’t say a word.”
Officer: “There’s way more of them than they are is of us right now.”
Ignore the fact that it's a pro-Palestine protest.
I'd like to know if this is the real reason the Met don't tackle thugs within protests?
That they're actually scared? That's a very very sad state. there are more protestors than cops. That will dictate how they manage any protest.
Context feels key here. It sounds like they are feeling unfairly treated. What happened before this two second interaction?
(Also, I'm assuming you aren't saying that having a palenstine flag on itself makes someone a thug?)
Erm.
There were quite a fair few more ladies protesting during Sarah Everard marches and they arrested them.
Maybe it's easier to arrest women?
There were many many thousands at marches that vandalised uk statues and cities and broke lockdown rules that the police did nothing about.
I would prefer police and military if necessary to use all methods at their disposal should protests be illegally run and should violence ensue.
You have a right tonprotest. But it must be done legally.
It's not a good look for the met or any force to allow one protest to go without arrests and others to have arrests if both are conducted in the same manners.
The words are worrying."
I don't think they policed the everard protest well. Same reasons.
When things are being vandalised then they need to step in. But I'd fear arresting someone with a national flag is likely to spark. I'm not sure if its illegal.
Can you clarify how you'd have liked this and the everard protest policed. |
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"If you look at the kind of things the police arrest people for and the worse things the police decided to not any people, it's not hard to see that the police are batshit scared of groups of violent people.
I seen another one from yesterday...
A fella with a billboard about child transitions stands amongst Palestine protestors. A woman attacks him with a flag screaming at him. The police make him move and say its for his own safety, on initial though, that makes sense. The policeman goes on to tell him he was inciting a breach of the peace by standing amongst the crowd. The woman who attacked him? Nothing. Fucking mental."
Woman gets arrested for a silent prayer outside abortion clinics. People get arrested for burning a book. And yet, the ones who send death threats for burning the book are never arrested. Says all about the two-tier police system we have. |
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"Protester: “And yet when they march down with hundreds of Palestinian flags you won’t say a word.”
Officer: “There’s way more of them than they are is of us right now.”
Ignore the fact that it's a pro-Palestine protest.
I'd like to know if this is the real reason the Met don't tackle thugs within protests?
That they're actually scared? That's a very very sad state. "
Do we know what rank the policeman was, was he actually allowed to give comments to members of the public, where the comments, his opinion? |
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"Protester: “And yet when they march down with hundreds of Palestinian flags you won’t say a word.”
Officer: “There’s way more of them than they are is of us right now.”
Ignore the fact that it's a pro-Palestine protest.
I'd like to know if this is the real reason the Met don't tackle thugs within protests?
That they're actually scared? That's a very very sad state.
Do we know what rank the policeman was, was he actually allowed to give comments to members of the public, where the comments, his opinion?"
It doesn't really matter what rank he is. I'd imagine that a police officer dealing with a member of the public is allowed to make comments to said member of the public. |
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