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By *ermbi OP Man
over a year ago
Ballyshannon |
I have been getting quotes for car insurance in recent days. £1100 to £1300 is the norm now. No accidents or claims. Some insurance companies have pulled out of NI. Car parts are harder to source now as companies aren't supplying to NI. When I asked why,the answer was Brexit! Surprise surprise.
Those advocating to get out of the EU have left NI in a mess. Not a thought for the implications and based on lies. Cheers for nothing Brexiteers. |
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By *ermbi OP Man
over a year ago
Ballyshannon |
"£1100-1300 is the norm from what?
Gotta say I'm surprised that GSF or ECP aren't supplying their own stores in NI. Or that companies in ROI haven't spotted an opportunity. "
My car insurance last year was £500 |
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"£1100-1300 is the norm from what?
Gotta say I'm surprised that GSF or ECP aren't supplying their own stores in NI. Or that companies in ROI haven't spotted an opportunity.
My car insurance last year was £500"
Wow. That's high. What are you driving? |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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I’m not in NI and my car insurance has gone up from £400 to £750 so I’m doubtful it’s Brexit.
Just another group of big corporations cashing in on the “cost of living” narrative. |
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By *I TwoCouple
over a year ago
PDI 12-26th Nov 24 |
"Guess it’s time to let the union go and accept rule from Dublin…
Ballyshannon isn't in the "union"
Are you telling us a guy who isn't in NI is ranting about NI?  "
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By *ip2Man
over a year ago
Near Maidenhead |
Yes it is appalling. The carelessness of too many of the British has been astonishing.
People like Wycombe's MP Steve Baker have been unbelievable.
Do you know, Steve Baker was heavily involved in a thing inside the Conservative Party called the "European Research Group"? It was called a party within a party.
The ERG's agitating is one of the reasons why there is such a mess.
Steve Baker gave a talk to a chamber of commerce soon after the referendum. It was called "EU What Next". Baker put the slides of his talk on his own website.
The fantasy and unrealism in it is astounding.
There's no transcript, so there's no record of what was said. Can you guess one of the words that does not appear anywhere in Baker's slide-show?
That's right... Ireland! |
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By *ermbi OP Man
over a year ago
Ballyshannon |
"Guess it’s time to let the union go and accept rule from Dublin…
Ballyshannon isn't in the "union"
Are you telling us a guy who isn't in NI is ranting about NI? "
Living in Fermanagh. From Fermanagh. Ballyshannon is nearest town. And its not a rant as some other post said |
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By *ermbi OP Man
over a year ago
Ballyshannon |
"I’m not in NI and my car insurance has gone up from £400 to £750 so I’m doubtful it’s Brexit.
Just another group of big corporations cashing in on the “cost of living” narrative."
Oh it is Brexit. Insurance companies pulling out. New parts too expensive to get into NI thanks to Brexit |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"I’m not in NI and my car insurance has gone up from £400 to £750 so I’m doubtful it’s Brexit.
Just another group of big corporations cashing in on the “cost of living” narrative.
Oh it is Brexit. Insurance companies pulling out. New parts too expensive to get into NI thanks to Brexit"
So what explains my increase then? |
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"I’m not in NI and my car insurance has gone up from £400 to £750 so I’m doubtful it’s Brexit.
Just another group of big corporations cashing in on the “cost of living” narrative.
Oh it is Brexit. Insurance companies pulling out. New parts too expensive to get into NI thanks to Brexit"
You've not responded to what car you have. |
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By *otMe66Man
over a year ago
Terra Firma |
"I’m not in NI and my car insurance has gone up from £400 to £750 so I’m doubtful it’s Brexit.
Just another group of big corporations cashing in on the “cost of living” narrative.
Oh it is Brexit. Insurance companies pulling out. New parts too expensive to get into NI thanks to Brexit"
This is not all the fault of brexit, this is a knock on effect of covid on the supply chain.
You may have seen the cost of cars has increased and getting a damaged car fixed is a lot more expensive, and timely.
Parts are still hard to come by and depending on your car, it could take months for a garage to actually have parts delivered.
This has had a domino effect on car insurance, not only is the product being insured increased in value (my friend sold his car for £7k profit 18 months ago) parts and labour have also increased. |
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"I have been getting quotes for car insurance in recent days. £1100 to £1300 is the norm now. No accidents or claims. Some insurance companies have pulled out of NI. Car parts are harder to source now as companies aren't supplying to NI. When I asked why,the answer was Brexit! Surprise surprise.
Those advocating to get out of the EU have left NI in a mess. Not a thought for the implications and based on lies. Cheers for nothing Brexiteers."
Why would brexit be the problem?
How are car parts harder to source?
The e.u cant provide these specific parts? The nip/ wf is specifically in place to allow fre trade. And ironically your post would prove the uk government correct in its use of article 16 of the NIP |
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"Yes it is appalling. The carelessness of too many of the British has been astonishing.
People like Wycombe's MP Steve Baker have been unbelievable.
Do you know, Steve Baker was heavily involved in a thing inside the Conservative Party called the "European Research Group"? It was called a party within a party.
The ERG's agitating is one of the reasons why there is such a mess.
Steve Baker gave a talk to a chamber of commerce soon after the referendum. It was called "EU What Next". Baker put the slides of his talk on his own website.
The fantasy and unrealism in it is astounding.
There's no transcript, so there's no record of what was said. Can you guess one of the words that does not appear anywhere in Baker's slide-show?
That's right... Ireland!"
I feel this adds absolutely nothing to the conversation. Just a rant. |
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"I’m not in NI and my car insurance has gone up from £400 to £750 so I’m doubtful it’s Brexit.
Just another group of big corporations cashing in on the “cost of living” narrative.
Oh it is Brexit. Insurance companies pulling out. New parts too expensive to get into NI thanks to Brexit"
Which insurance companies have over out? |
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-66236110
It would be good if you could post your previous year's insurance for your vehicle and this year's insurance.
Some proof would go a long way as this claim is much greater than 40%
You should be able to download your quote last year and copy paste. And thisnyears quote and copy paste.
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Copied from another source, but this explains the rises in car insurance from someone who works in the industry.
Premiums have rocketed.
So let's look at why this is.
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Firstly, though; it's not personal; even if it feels that way. If your premium has risen 65% - its just the insurer saying that's how much they need to earn to make a profit - so look elsewhere if you are not happy with that price. Sadly because insurance has become so 'automated' there is nobody to explain to you 'why' its happened. That's what I will try to do now.
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Many folks comment such as 'rip-off' and 'profiteering'.
Car insurance is emotional - it always has been, partly because cars and our other personal possessions are emotional to us.
I cannot justify the insurance industry - but let's go over some facts.
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Car insurance premiums are driven by many factors but some leading ones are.....
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- the cost of repairs
- the delay in the supply chain to replace spare parts
- the overall rise in new and used car costs
- the rise in legal costs and injury settlements.
- increase in labour costs at every part of the chain
- the overall economic state of the world
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Insurance premiums are led by these areas (and more).
Below are some simple examples as to why car insurance premiums have risen by anything from 15% to 40% on average and in some cases even more.
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Insurers calculate your premium based on what they feel they need to charge you to earn a profit for the coming year, not past years. Yes the calculation takes into account your driving history, your age and much more but it also takes into account how much the price of parts will cost if you have an accident, how much the courtesy car might cost and much more.
At present, if any of us are unfortunate enough to have an accident, or any incident occurs where our cars need repairs, in very simple terms, it will cost insurers much more now than it would have done 2 years ago.
This isn't down to your personal circumstances, so if you have never had an accident, that makes no difference - it is about how much it will cost if you 'do' have an incident where insurers make a payment.
The cost of parts has risen and its taking 'much' longer for many parts to be obtained, due to global delays. As with many things, time costs money.
Part of those delays is a knock on effect for areas such as a courtesy car. If, as an example, a repair which used to take 8-days is not taking 18-days and the cost of a courtesy car in the background is £50 a day (its probably more), that alone will cost your insurers £900 instead of £400. And there will be more.
In addition, the cost to insure an electric car or hybrid car is normally very expensive....
So, the key questions here should be.....
Why have the cost of parts gone up so much?
Why is it taking longer for parts to arrive?
Why has the cost of cars, both new and used gone up?
Why are electric and hybrid cars so much more to repair?
And not, why are insurers charging more - because the answer is simple; insurers are charging more because the costs to repair and replace a car haven risen - dramatically.
And, despite feelings that insurers are ripping people off, most insurers are not making a profit, or very little profit on car insurance - many are making a loss and my feeling is that premiums could easily continue to rise for the time being before things settle down.
One area that may be coming is that there is insurance market chatter that windscreen cover may be excluded from standard cover - so you would no doubt buy this back by paying more money - because of the rise in costs to replace them. Many cars now have technology connected to the glass, meaning the cost to replace the glass and the time involved is more - watch this space for more details on this in the future......
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"Copied from another source, but this explains the rises in car insurance from someone who works in the industry.
Premiums have rocketed.
So let's look at why this is.
.
Firstly, though; it's not personal; even if it feels that way. If your premium has risen 65% - its just the insurer saying that's how much they need to earn to make a profit - so look elsewhere if you are not happy with that price. Sadly because insurance has become so 'automated' there is nobody to explain to you 'why' its happened. That's what I will try to do now.
.
Many folks comment such as 'rip-off' and 'profiteering'.
Car insurance is emotional - it always has been, partly because cars and our other personal possessions are emotional to us.
I cannot justify the insurance industry - but let's go over some facts.
.
Car insurance premiums are driven by many factors but some leading ones are.....
.
- the cost of repairs
- the delay in the supply chain to replace spare parts
- the overall rise in new and used car costs
- the rise in legal costs and injury settlements.
- increase in labour costs at every part of the chain
- the overall economic state of the world
.
Insurance premiums are led by these areas (and more).
Below are some simple examples as to why car insurance premiums have risen by anything from 15% to 40% on average and in some cases even more.
.
Insurers calculate your premium based on what they feel they need to charge you to earn a profit for the coming year, not past years. Yes the calculation takes into account your driving history, your age and much more but it also takes into account how much the price of parts will cost if you have an accident, how much the courtesy car might cost and much more.
At present, if any of us are unfortunate enough to have an accident, or any incident occurs where our cars need repairs, in very simple terms, it will cost insurers much more now than it would have done 2 years ago.
This isn't down to your personal circumstances, so if you have never had an accident, that makes no difference - it is about how much it will cost if you 'do' have an incident where insurers make a payment.
The cost of parts has risen and its taking 'much' longer for many parts to be obtained, due to global delays. As with many things, time costs money.
Part of those delays is a knock on effect for areas such as a courtesy car. If, as an example, a repair which used to take 8-days is not taking 18-days and the cost of a courtesy car in the background is £50 a day (its probably more), that alone will cost your insurers £900 instead of £400. And there will be more.
In addition, the cost to insure an electric car or hybrid car is normally very expensive....
So, the key questions here should be.....
Why have the cost of parts gone up so much?
Why is it taking longer for parts to arrive?
Why has the cost of cars, both new and used gone up?
Why are electric and hybrid cars so much more to repair?
And not, why are insurers charging more - because the answer is simple; insurers are charging more because the costs to repair and replace a car haven risen - dramatically.
And, despite feelings that insurers are ripping people off, most insurers are not making a profit, or very little profit on car insurance - many are making a loss and my feeling is that premiums could easily continue to rise for the time being before things settle down.
One area that may be coming is that there is insurance market chatter that windscreen cover may be excluded from standard cover - so you would no doubt buy this back by paying more money - because of the rise in costs to replace them. Many cars now have technology connected to the glass, meaning the cost to replace the glass and the time involved is more - watch this space for more details on this in the future......
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The 40% is considerably less than OPs up to 160%
We should wait for OPs evidence |
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By *irldnCouple
over a year ago
Brighton |
I have read/heard a few things in relation to why car insurance has gone up so much (no idea if any/all true):
- Cost of repairs increased (supply chain, parts, demand, garage costs inc salaries for mechanics - started going up when EU mechanics started going home).
- Cost of EV repairs much higher than ICE cars.
- Less cars be written off and instead being repaired due to buoyant second hand car market (driven by supply chain delays and resistance to switching to EVs).
- Some of the big underwriting insurance companies have pulled out of the UK (not sure if that was due to Brexit?)
- Laws changed in the UK preventing insurance companies only giving the best deals to new customers so instead of everyone getting good deals, nobody is getting good deals (as new customer discounts are loss leaders that pay back via future retention).
- Insurance companies have been hit with bad returns on their investments and wanting to recoup from insurance customers (as they use the money from premiums to invest on stock market, govt debt, etc). |
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By *ertwoCouple
over a year ago
omagh |
It wasnt brexit that pushed the cost of goods in NI higher.
We were protected by our Act of Union which boris and the Westminster traitors changed. It Stated their must never be customs between the 4 nations of the UK. It was changed with out a vote by the peoples of Northern Ireland. That was undemocratic. Fact is the rest of the UK is NIs main supply route for vast majority of goods we buy. The same applies to the REpublic of Ireland and that means there are no savings buying from Dublin as they also apply the EU customs tariffs on the goods from England etc. I used to have next day delivery from England, now due to the EU demands for customs im lucky if its 3 days and also added costs of office processing customs and then the EU tariffs all pushing our goods higher in cost than they are in the rest of the UK. No point in saying buy from the EU as it takes weeks to get here. |
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"It wasnt brexit that pushed the cost of goods in NI higher.
We were protected by our Act of Union which boris and the Westminster traitors changed. It Stated their must never be customs between the 4 nations of the UK. It was changed with out a vote by the peoples of Northern Ireland. That was undemocratic. Fact is the rest of the UK is NIs main supply route for vast majority of goods we buy. The same applies to the REpublic of Ireland and that means there are no savings buying from Dublin as they also apply the EU customs tariffs on the goods from England etc. I used to have next day delivery from England, now due to the EU demands for customs im lucky if its 3 days and also added costs of office processing customs and then the EU tariffs all pushing our goods higher in cost than they are in the rest of the UK. No point in saying buy from the EU as it takes weeks to get here."
So it is Brexit? |
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"It wasnt brexit that pushed the cost of goods in NI higher.
We were protected by our Act of Union which boris and the Westminster traitors changed. It Stated their must never be customs between the 4 nations of the UK. It was changed with out a vote by the peoples of Northern Ireland. That was undemocratic. Fact is the rest of the UK is NIs main supply route for vast majority of goods we buy. The same applies to the REpublic of Ireland and that means there are no savings buying from Dublin as they also apply the EU customs tariffs on the goods from England etc. I used to have next day delivery from England, now due to the EU demands for customs im lucky if its 3 days and also added costs of office processing customs and then the EU tariffs all pushing our goods higher in cost than they are in the rest of the UK. No point in saying buy from the EU as it takes weeks to get here.
So it is Brexit?"
So the uk has cheaper goods and insurance than tbe rest of the e.u? |
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By *I TwoCouple
over a year ago
PDI 12-26th Nov 24 |
Just for some perspective
We live in NI
Our insurance is due in one of the cars in January so I did an online quote with the same company for the same car starting next month with Churchill (English company as far as I'm aware)
Last year it was £190 +- a few pounds
New quote £207.73
Full no claims and it's a 2 seater sports car
I'm happy with that.
I also did it through compare the market, my current company is the cheapest, several more around the same price and others going up to well over £400
Oh, and it's been around the 180-190 for 3 years with no real increase in fact I think it came down two years ago. |
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"It wasnt brexit that pushed the cost of goods in NI higher.
We were protected by our Act of Union which boris and the Westminster traitors changed. It Stated their must never be customs between the 4 nations of the UK. It was changed with out a vote by the peoples of Northern Ireland. That was undemocratic. Fact is the rest of the UK is NIs main supply route for vast majority of goods we buy. The same applies to the REpublic of Ireland and that means there are no savings buying from Dublin as they also apply the EU customs tariffs on the goods from England etc. I used to have next day delivery from England, now due to the EU demands for customs im lucky if its 3 days and also added costs of office processing customs and then the EU tariffs all pushing our goods higher in cost than they are in the rest of the UK. No point in saying buy from the EU as it takes weeks to get here.
So it is Brexit?
So the uk has cheaper goods and insurance than tbe rest of the e.u?"
Are you asking me, or the chap who said "It wasnt brexit that pushed the cost of goods in NI higher" and then contradicted himself saying why brexit pushed costs up? |
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Don't see it that way. The EU has land borders with non-members Switzerland, Norway, Turkey ..... non had to surrender territory to the EU to agree a trade deal. The EU just stirred up political tensions in NI to punish the UK for having the temerity to leave (despite a democratic vote). |
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"Don't see it that way. The EU has land borders with non-members Switzerland, Norway, Turkey ..... non had to surrender territory to the EU to agree a trade deal. The EU just stirred up political tensions in NI to punish the UK for having the temerity to leave (despite a democratic vote)."
Switzerland, Norway and Turkey were subject to the Good Friday Agreement?
Absolutely shocking revelation. Wait until this gets out!  |
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By *oo hotCouple
over a year ago
North West |
"Don't see it that way. The EU has land borders with non-members Switzerland, Norway, Turkey ..... non had to surrender territory to the EU to agree a trade deal. The EU just stirred up political tensions in NI to punish the UK for having the temerity to leave (despite a democratic vote)."
You know of course that this is nonsense. I wonder if you said it just to make an anti-EU comment whilst knowing how blatantly untrue it is. Or… you actually don’t know why NI is different. |
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"Don't see it that way. The EU has land borders with non-members Switzerland, Norway, Turkey ..... non had to surrender territory to the EU to agree a trade deal. The EU just stirred up political tensions in NI to punish the UK for having the temerity to leave (despite a democratic vote).
You know of course that this is nonsense. I wonder if you said it just to make an anti-EU comment whilst knowing how blatantly untrue it is. Or… you actually don’t know why NI is different."
I'd like to know why NI is different to those nations? Apart from the fact that NI is a joint operation. |
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By *I TwoCouple
over a year ago
PDI 12-26th Nov 24 |
"Don't see it that way. The EU has land borders with non-members Switzerland, Norway, Turkey ..... non had to surrender territory to the EU to agree a trade deal. The EU just stirred up political tensions in NI to punish the UK for having the temerity to leave (despite a democratic vote).
You know of course that this is nonsense. I wonder if you said it just to make an anti-EU comment whilst knowing how blatantly untrue it is. Or… you actually don’t know why NI is different.
I'd like to know why NI is different to those nations? Apart from the fact that NI is a joint operation."
NI is part of the UK
We had "the troubles" where the paramilitaries killed lots of people
In order to stop the killing there was an agreement called the good Friday agreement
Part of the good Friday agreement states there will never be a land border on the island of Ireland.
When it was written, nobody ever thought 20ish percent of the British electorate would force the UK out of the EU
Caught up now ?
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"Don't see it that way. The EU has land borders with non-members Switzerland, Norway, Turkey ..... non had to surrender territory to the EU to agree a trade deal. The EU just stirred up political tensions in NI to punish the UK for having the temerity to leave (despite a democratic vote).
You know of course that this is nonsense. I wonder if you said it just to make an anti-EU comment whilst knowing how blatantly untrue it is. Or… you actually don’t know why NI is different.
I'd like to know why NI is different to those nations? Apart from the fact that NI is a joint operation.
NI is part of the UK
We had "the troubles" where the paramilitaries killed lots of people
In order to stop the killing there was an agreement called the good Friday agreement
Part of the good Friday agreement states there will never be a land border on the island of Ireland.
When it was written, nobody ever thought 20ish percent of the British electorate would force the UK out of the EU
Caught up now ?
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I thought that would be your answer.
Can you point me to the excerpt that states 'there will never be a land border on the island of Ireland'? |
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By *irldnCouple
over a year ago
Brighton |
"Don't see it that way. The EU has land borders with non-members Switzerland, Norway, Turkey ..... non had to surrender territory to the EU to agree a trade deal. The EU just stirred up political tensions in NI to punish the UK for having the temerity to leave (despite a democratic vote).
You know of course that this is nonsense. I wonder if you said it just to make an anti-EU comment whilst knowing how blatantly untrue it is. Or… you actually don’t know why NI is different.
I'd like to know why NI is different to those nations? Apart from the fact that NI is a joint operation.
NI is part of the UK
We had "the troubles" where the paramilitaries killed lots of people
In order to stop the killing there was an agreement called the good Friday agreement
Part of the good Friday agreement states there will never be a land border on the island of Ireland.
When it was written, nobody ever thought 20ish percent of the British electorate would force the UK out of the EU
Caught up now ?
I thought that would be your answer.
Can you point me to the excerpt that states 'there will never be a land border on the island of Ireland'?"
It doesn’t. Explicitly. Although it was implied and a natural progression.
The 1998 Good Friday Agreement, a key part of the peace process, promised cross-border co-operation between the UK and Ireland, and the removal of checks on the border was an important part of the process. The Agreement set out how Northern Ireland should be governed after decades of violence and conflict, in which more than 3,500 people were killed. Both the UK and EU agree that, in negotiating a deal on the relationship after Brexit, it is important to keep the border open and uphold the terms of the Good Friday Agreement.
The UK and Irish governments have described the invisible and open border as “the most tangible symbol of the peace process”. |
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"Don't see it that way. The EU has land borders with non-members Switzerland, Norway, Turkey ..... non had to surrender territory to the EU to agree a trade deal. The EU just stirred up political tensions in NI to punish the UK for having the temerity to leave (despite a democratic vote).
You know of course that this is nonsense. I wonder if you said it just to make an anti-EU comment whilst knowing how blatantly untrue it is. Or… you actually don’t know why NI is different.
I'd like to know why NI is different to those nations? Apart from the fact that NI is a joint operation.
NI is part of the UK
We had "the troubles" where the paramilitaries killed lots of people
In order to stop the killing there was an agreement called the good Friday agreement
Part of the good Friday agreement states there will never be a land border on the island of Ireland.
When it was written, nobody ever thought 20ish percent of the British electorate would force the UK out of the EU
Caught up now ?
I thought that would be your answer.
Can you point me to the excerpt that states 'there will never be a land border on the island of Ireland'?
It doesn’t. Explicitly. Although it was implied and a natural progression.
The 1998 Good Friday Agreement, a key part of the peace process, promised cross-border co-operation between the UK and Ireland, and the removal of checks on the border was an important part of the process. The Agreement set out how Northern Ireland should be governed after decades of violence and conflict, in which more than 3,500 people were killed. Both the UK and EU agree that, in negotiating a deal on the relationship after Brexit, it is important to keep the border open and uphold the terms of the Good Friday Agreement.
The UK and Irish governments have described the invisible and open border as “the most tangible symbol of the peace process”."
It doesn't? Are you sure?
Because the amount of times I've seen that line trotted out in the last 5 years, it must be true.
I was genuinely hoping I had missed something. |
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By *I TwoCouple
over a year ago
PDI 12-26th Nov 24 |
"Don't see it that way. The EU has land borders with non-members Switzerland, Norway, Turkey ..... non had to surrender territory to the EU to agree a trade deal. The EU just stirred up political tensions in NI to punish the UK for having the temerity to leave (despite a democratic vote).
You know of course that this is nonsense. I wonder if you said it just to make an anti-EU comment whilst knowing how blatantly untrue it is. Or… you actually don’t know why NI is different.
I'd like to know why NI is different to those nations? Apart from the fact that NI is a joint operation.
NI is part of the UK
We had "the troubles" where the paramilitaries killed lots of people
In order to stop the killing there was an agreement called the good Friday agreement
Part of the good Friday agreement states there will never be a land border on the island of Ireland.
When it was written, nobody ever thought 20ish percent of the British electorate would force the UK out of the EU
Caught up now ?
I thought that would be your answer.
Can you point me to the excerpt that states 'there will never be a land border on the island of Ireland'?
It doesn’t. Explicitly. Although it was implied and a natural progression.
The 1998 Good Friday Agreement, a key part of the peace process, promised cross-border co-operation between the UK and Ireland, and the removal of checks on the border was an important part of the process. The Agreement set out how Northern Ireland should be governed after decades of violence and conflict, in which more than 3,500 people were killed. Both the UK and EU agree that, in negotiating a deal on the relationship after Brexit, it is important to keep the border open and uphold the terms of the Good Friday Agreement.
The UK and Irish governments have described the invisible and open border as “the most tangible symbol of the peace process”.
It doesn't? Are you sure?
Because the amount of times I've seen that line trotted out in the last 5 years, it must be true.
I was genuinely hoping I had missed something."
Perhaps you should express your opinion to the EU, British and Irish governments.
I'm sure they will point you in the right direction.
I would, but you won't accept it |
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"Don't see it that way. The EU has land borders with non-members Switzerland, Norway, Turkey ..... non had to surrender territory to the EU to agree a trade deal. The EU just stirred up political tensions in NI to punish the UK for having the temerity to leave (despite a democratic vote).
You know of course that this is nonsense. I wonder if you said it just to make an anti-EU comment whilst knowing how blatantly untrue it is. Or… you actually don’t know why NI is different.
I'd like to know why NI is different to those nations? Apart from the fact that NI is a joint operation.
NI is part of the UK
We had "the troubles" where the paramilitaries killed lots of people
In order to stop the killing there was an agreement called the good Friday agreement
Part of the good Friday agreement states there will never be a land border on the island of Ireland.
When it was written, nobody ever thought 20ish percent of the British electorate would force the UK out of the EU
Caught up now ?
I thought that would be your answer.
Can you point me to the excerpt that states 'there will never be a land border on the island of Ireland'?
It doesn’t. Explicitly. Although it was implied and a natural progression.
The 1998 Good Friday Agreement, a key part of the peace process, promised cross-border co-operation between the UK and Ireland, and the removal of checks on the border was an important part of the process. The Agreement set out how Northern Ireland should be governed after decades of violence and conflict, in which more than 3,500 people were killed. Both the UK and EU agree that, in negotiating a deal on the relationship after Brexit, it is important to keep the border open and uphold the terms of the Good Friday Agreement.
The UK and Irish governments have described the invisible and open border as “the most tangible symbol of the peace process”.
It doesn't? Are you sure?
Because the amount of times I've seen that line trotted out in the last 5 years, it must be true.
I was genuinely hoping I had missed something.
Perhaps you should express your opinion to the EU, British and Irish governments.
I'm sure they will point you in the right direction.
I would, but you won't accept it "
What opinion is that?
I've asked for a factual piece of information. Opinion doesn't come into it.
You say you would but I won't accept it, I'd argue that it's yourself who can't accept that it doesn't say those words in that document.
As Birldn says, 'it's implied', you know what implied means don't you? |
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By *I TwoCouple
over a year ago
PDI 12-26th Nov 24 |
"Don't see it that way. The EU has land borders with non-members Switzerland, Norway, Turkey ..... non had to surrender territory to the EU to agree a trade deal. The EU just stirred up political tensions in NI to punish the UK for having the temerity to leave (despite a democratic vote).
You know of course that this is nonsense. I wonder if you said it just to make an anti-EU comment whilst knowing how blatantly untrue it is. Or… you actually don’t know why NI is different.
I'd like to know why NI is different to those nations? Apart from the fact that NI is a joint operation.
NI is part of the UK
We had "the troubles" where the paramilitaries killed lots of people
In order to stop the killing there was an agreement called the good Friday agreement
Part of the good Friday agreement states there will never be a land border on the island of Ireland.
When it was written, nobody ever thought 20ish percent of the British electorate would force the UK out of the EU
Caught up now ?
I thought that would be your answer.
Can you point me to the excerpt that states 'there will never be a land border on the island of Ireland'?
It doesn’t. Explicitly. Although it was implied and a natural progression.
The 1998 Good Friday Agreement, a key part of the peace process, promised cross-border co-operation between the UK and Ireland, and the removal of checks on the border was an important part of the process. The Agreement set out how Northern Ireland should be governed after decades of violence and conflict, in which more than 3,500 people were killed. Both the UK and EU agree that, in negotiating a deal on the relationship after Brexit, it is important to keep the border open and uphold the terms of the Good Friday Agreement.
The UK and Irish governments have described the invisible and open border as “the most tangible symbol of the peace process”.
It doesn't? Are you sure?
Because the amount of times I've seen that line trotted out in the last 5 years, it must be true.
I was genuinely hoping I had missed something.
Perhaps you should express your opinion to the EU, British and Irish governments.
I'm sure they will point you in the right direction.
I would, but you won't accept it
What opinion is that?
I've asked for a factual piece of information. Opinion doesn't come into it.
You say you would but I won't accept it, I'd argue that it's yourself who can't accept that it doesn't say those words in that document.
As Birldn says, 'it's implied', you know what implied means don't you?"
Like I said, write to those that matter, your unlikely to get an understanding of Irish politics on a swingers forum
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"And the relevant FACT is the withdrawal agreement between the UK and the EU
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You're the one who referenced the GFA. Now you wanna move the goalposts 
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By *I TwoCouple
over a year ago
PDI 12-26th Nov 24 |
"And the relevant FACT is the withdrawal agreement between the UK and the EU
You're the one who referenced the GFA. Now you wanna move the goalposts
I shouldn't expect any less I guess. Enjoy your evening "
As I said, you're only interested in your on opinions so goodnight and xxx
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By *oo hotCouple
over a year ago
North West |
"And the relevant FACT is the withdrawal agreement between the UK and the EU
You're the one who referenced the GFA. Now you wanna move the goalposts
I shouldn't expect any less I guess. Enjoy your evening "
Why are you being so argumentative?
It is so obvious how and why N Ireland is different to any other country not least because the people of N Ireland can be British, or Irish - or both and therefore the entire way that the Province has to be governed is different and unique to any other territory or country.
Constructing a physical Brexit border to separate the province of N Ireland which is currently a territory of the United Kingdom would be catastrophic and there isn’t a single person with even the slightest knowledge on the subject who doesn’t know that. |
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By *ermbi OP Man
over a year ago
Ballyshannon |
"Don't see it that way. The EU has land borders with non-members Switzerland, Norway, Turkey ..... non had to surrender territory to the EU to agree a trade deal. The EU just stirred up political tensions in NI to punish the UK for having the temerity to leave (despite a democratic vote)."
How exactly did the EU stir up tensions in NI? |
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"And the relevant FACT is the withdrawal agreement between the UK and the EU
You're the one who referenced the GFA. Now you wanna move the goalposts
I shouldn't expect any less I guess. Enjoy your evening
Why are you being so argumentative?
It is so obvious how and why N Ireland is different to any other country not least because the people of N Ireland can be British, or Irish - or both and therefore the entire way that the Province has to be governed is different and unique to any other territory or country.
Constructing a physical Brexit border to separate the province of N Ireland which is currently a territory of the United Kingdom would be catastrophic and there isn’t a single person with even the slightest knowledge on the subject who doesn’t know that."
The only answer I've had so far is the GFA states 'no border' which is a lie.
Can you answer my original question? |
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By *I TwoCouple
over a year ago
PDI 12-26th Nov 24 |
"And the relevant FACT is the withdrawal agreement between the UK and the EU
You're the one who referenced the GFA. Now you wanna move the goalposts
I shouldn't expect any less I guess. Enjoy your evening
Why are you being so argumentative?
It is so obvious how and why N Ireland is different to any other country not least because the people of N Ireland can be British, or Irish - or both and therefore the entire way that the Province has to be governed is different and unique to any other territory or country.
Constructing a physical Brexit border to separate the province of N Ireland which is currently a territory of the United Kingdom would be catastrophic and there isn’t a single person with even the slightest knowledge on the subject who doesn’t know that."
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By *ermbi OP Man
over a year ago
Ballyshannon |
"And the relevant FACT is the withdrawal agreement between the UK and the EU
You're the one who referenced the GFA. Now you wanna move the goalposts
I shouldn't expect any less I guess. Enjoy your evening
Why are you being so argumentative?
It is so obvious how and why N Ireland is different to any other country not least because the people of N Ireland can be British, or Irish - or both and therefore the entire way that the Province has to be governed is different and unique to any other territory or country.
Constructing a physical Brexit border to separate the province of N Ireland which is currently a territory of the United Kingdom would be catastrophic and there isn’t a single person with even the slightest knowledge on the subject who doesn’t know that.
Correct "
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"Don't see it that way. The EU has land borders with non-members Switzerland, Norway, Turkey ..... non had to surrender territory to the EU to agree a trade deal. The EU just stirred up political tensions in NI to punish the UK for having the temerity to leave (despite a democratic vote).
You know of course that this is nonsense. I wonder if you said it just to make an anti-EU comment whilst knowing how blatantly untrue it is. Or… you actually don’t know why NI is different."
It's far from nonsense and just the plain facts. A 'normal' border arrangement would have worked perfectly well. But the EU used historic NI tensions to throw 1 mil. British citizens under the bus. I lived through the 'troubles' and resent the EU stirring up old enmities to get some petty revenge. |
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"Don't see it that way. The EU has land borders with non-members Switzerland, Norway, Turkey ..... non had to surrender territory to the EU to agree a trade deal. The EU just stirred up political tensions in NI to punish the UK for having the temerity to leave (despite a democratic vote).
How exactly did the EU stir up tensions in NI?"
You haven't heard about the 'border; in teh Irish Sea? |
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By *irldnCouple
over a year ago
Brighton |
"I'd ask that anyone who wants to get into DMs to abuse me or speak about badly about me to others at least have the balls to say it out loud. Cheers "
I agree with this, it is poor form, shows a lack of backbone and is cowardly... although saying that, according to you the other day “numerous” people were DMing you talking badly about me so...you know, it happens! |
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"I'd ask that anyone who wants to get into DMs to abuse me or speak about badly about me to others at least have the balls to say it out loud. Cheers
I agree with this, it is poor form, shows a lack of backbone and is cowardly... although saying that, according to you the other day “numerous” people were DMing you talking badly about me so...you know, it happens!"
I think I said people were agreeing with me rather than 'talking badly' about you, I honestly can't remember.
This is slightly different as one poster in hear DM me to tell me 3 people had DM then to say thing about me, they gave me a bit of abuse and then blocked me. Yeah, definitely cowardly. |
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By *irldnCouple
over a year ago
Brighton |
"I'd ask that anyone who wants to get into DMs to abuse me or speak about badly about me to others at least have the balls to say it out loud. Cheers
I agree with this, it is poor form, shows a lack of backbone and is cowardly... although saying that, according to you the other day “numerous” people were DMing you talking badly about me so...you know, it happens!
I think I said people were agreeing with me rather than 'talking badly' about you, I honestly can't remember.
This is slightly different as one poster in hear DM me to tell me 3 people had DM then to say thing about me, they gave me a bit of abuse and then blocked me. Yeah, definitely cowardly. "
Different but the same. You called me a bully for using satire in the same way another poster often uses satire. Then you privately told me people were DMing you to agree (despite the fact that the actual poster who uses satire had no issue with it and saw the funny side). So they were saying I was a bully behind my back rather than on the thread. You took great delight in telling me. They were cowards. Not that different really. |
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"I'd ask that anyone who wants to get into DMs to abuse me or speak about badly about me to others at least have the balls to say it out loud. Cheers
I agree with this, it is poor form, shows a lack of backbone and is cowardly... although saying that, according to you the other day “numerous” people were DMing you talking badly about me so...you know, it happens!
I think I said people were agreeing with me rather than 'talking badly' about you, I honestly can't remember.
This is slightly different as one poster in hear DM me to tell me 3 people had DM then to say thing about me, they gave me a bit of abuse and then blocked me. Yeah, definitely cowardly.
Different but the same. You called me a bully for using satire in the same way another poster often uses satire. Then you privately told me people were DMing you to agree (despite the fact that the actual poster who uses satire had no issue with it and saw the funny side). So they were saying I was a bully behind my back rather than on the thread. You took great delight in telling me. They were cowards. Not that different really."
Fair enough. As I said, can't really remember. I wouldn't have taken 'great pleasure', I don't work that way.
I do distinctly remember I said what I initially did in public and you chose to DM me.
Anyway, still, I didn't abuse you, tell you multiple others agree and then block you. |
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By *irldnCouple
over a year ago
Brighton |
"I'd ask that anyone who wants to get into DMs to abuse me or speak about badly about me to others at least have the balls to say it out loud. Cheers
I agree with this, it is poor form, shows a lack of backbone and is cowardly... although saying that, according to you the other day “numerous” people were DMing you talking badly about me so...you know, it happens!
I think I said people were agreeing with me rather than 'talking badly' about you, I honestly can't remember.
This is slightly different as one poster in hear DM me to tell me 3 people had DM then to say thing about me, they gave me a bit of abuse and then blocked me. Yeah, definitely cowardly.
Different but the same. You called me a bully for using satire in the same way another poster often uses satire. Then you privately told me people were DMing you to agree (despite the fact that the actual poster who uses satire had no issue with it and saw the funny side). So they were saying I was a bully behind my back rather than on the thread. You took great delight in telling me. They were cowards. Not that different really.
Fair enough. As I said, can't really remember. I wouldn't have taken 'great pleasure', I don't work that way.
I do distinctly remember I said what I initially did in public and you chose to DM me.
Anyway, still, I didn't abuse you, tell you multiple others agree and then block you."
Oh for sure, you don’t abuse me. We disagree in some stuff, agree on others. But my point was less about you and more the irony of complaining people were talking about you behind your back and someone then telling you.
Anyway, irony alert sounded, now back on topic... |
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By *ermbi OP Man
over a year ago
Ballyshannon |
"Don't see it that way. The EU has land borders with non-members Switzerland, Norway, Turkey ..... non had to surrender territory to the EU to agree a trade deal. The EU just stirred up political tensions in NI to punish the UK for having the temerity to leave (despite a democratic vote).
How exactly did the EU stir up tensions in NI?
You haven't heard about the 'border; in teh Irish Sea?"
I think Boris threw unionists under the bus saying he would never agree to a border down the Irish Sea and then he did it. Not the EU but a British Prime Minister.
Do u not remember what a hard border did on the island. Those days should never be repeated again. I lived and still live on that border |
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By *I TwoCouple
over a year ago
PDI 12-26th Nov 24 |
"Don't see it that way. The EU has land borders with non-members Switzerland, Norway, Turkey ..... non had to surrender territory to the EU to agree a trade deal. The EU just stirred up political tensions in NI to punish the UK for having the temerity to leave (despite a democratic vote).
How exactly did the EU stir up tensions in NI?
You haven't heard about the 'border; in teh Irish Sea?
I think Boris threw unionists under the bus saying he would never agree to a border down the Irish Sea and then he did it. Not the EU but a British Prime Minister.
Do u not remember what a hard border did on the island. Those days should never be repeated again. I lived and still live on that border"
But what about your insurance?
Did you get quit a from other companies?
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By *ip2Man
over a year ago
Near Maidenhead |
"Do u not remember what a hard border did on the island. Those days should never be repeated again. I lived and still live on that border"
Yes. The Irish Border Communities protest group came to London and set up a mock-up of the border posts that there used to be.
If you crossed the border with a bag of sugar they'd take it off you. I thought that was because of customs. More recently, someone reminded me it could have been because sugar can be used to make explosive.
There are sheep farms with fields in the north and fields in the south.
One of the protesters said his father was glad to see the EEC.
Two men at the protest said they went to the same school in the north. The lane between their childhood homes crosses the border twice.
There used to be loads of criminal activity. Those who had land on both sides built a long shed. They'd drive a tractor in one end, change the number plates, and drive out.
Unfortunately, it seems the Border Communities protest barely made the news. It should have done.
Someone has walked the length of the border and taken photos of all the crossing points like where there is a ditch with a plank across it.
The Border Busters used to put an upside down car with the windows wound down into a ditch to make a bridge. The British Army used to come along and have to drag it out.
There were still British soldiers on the border until 2007. So recent!
In the Maidenhead Advertiser local paper there is a man who writes almost every week to the letters page. He thought the border between NI and Ireland is like the border between Devon and Cornwall, or something like that! |
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By *I TwoCouple
over a year ago
PDI 12-26th Nov 24 |
"Do u not remember what a hard border did on the island. Those days should never be repeated again. I lived and still live on that border
Yes. The Irish Border Communities protest group came to London and set up a mock-up of the border posts that there used to be.
If you crossed the border with a bag of sugar they'd take it off you. I thought that was because of customs. More recently, someone reminded me it could have been because sugar can be used to make explosive.
There are sheep farms with fields in the north and fields in the south.
One of the protesters said his father was glad to see the EEC.
Two men at the protest said they went to the same school in the north. The lane between their childhood homes crosses the border twice.
There used to be loads of criminal activity. Those who had land on both sides built a long shed. They'd drive a tractor in one end, change the number plates, and drive out.
Unfortunately, it seems the Border Communities protest barely made the news. It should have done.
Someone has walked the length of the border and taken photos of all the crossing points like where there is a ditch with a plank across it.
The Border Busters used to put an upside down car with the windows wound down into a ditch to make a bridge. The British Army used to come along and have to drag it out.
There were still British soldiers on the border until 2007. So recent!
In the Maidenhead Advertiser local paper there is a man who writes almost every week to the letters page. He thought the border between NI and Ireland is like the border between Devon and Cornwall, or something like that!"
Lol
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"Don't see it that way. The EU has land borders with non-members Switzerland, Norway, Turkey ..... non had to surrender territory to the EU to agree a trade deal. The EU just stirred up political tensions in NI to punish the UK for having the temerity to leave (despite a democratic vote).
You know of course that this is nonsense. I wonder if you said it just to make an anti-EU comment whilst knowing how blatantly untrue it is. Or… you actually don’t know why NI is different.
I'd like to know why NI is different to those nations? Apart from the fact that NI is a joint operation.
NI is part of the UK
We had "the troubles" where the paramilitaries killed lots of people
In order to stop the killing there was an agreement called the good Friday agreement
Part of the good Friday agreement states there will never be a land border on the island of Ireland.
When it was written, nobody ever thought 20ish percent of the British electorate would force the UK out of the EU
Caught up now ?
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As far as I am aware the GFA doesn't stop a border on the island of Ireland.
Haply for it to be pointed out where it does. |
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"Don't see it that way. The EU has land borders with non-members Switzerland, Norway, Turkey ..... non had to surrender territory to the EU to agree a trade deal. The EU just stirred up political tensions in NI to punish the UK for having the temerity to leave (despite a democratic vote).
You know of course that this is nonsense. I wonder if you said it just to make an anti-EU comment whilst knowing how blatantly untrue it is. Or… you actually don’t know why NI is different.
I'd like to know why NI is different to those nations? Apart from the fact that NI is a joint operation.
NI is part of the UK
We had "the troubles" where the paramilitaries killed lots of people
In order to stop the killing there was an agreement called the good Friday agreement
Part of the good Friday agreement states there will never be a land border on the island of Ireland.
When it was written, nobody ever thought 20ish percent of the British electorate would force the UK out of the EU
Caught up now ?
I thought that would be your answer.
Can you point me to the excerpt that states 'there will never be a land border on the island of Ireland'?
It doesn’t. Explicitly. Although it was implied and a natural progression.
The 1998 Good Friday Agreement, a key part of the peace process, promised cross-border co-operation between the UK and Ireland, and the removal of checks on the border was an important part of the process. The Agreement set out how Northern Ireland should be governed after decades of violence and conflict, in which more than 3,500 people were killed. Both the UK and EU agree that, in negotiating a deal on the relationship after Brexit, it is important to keep the border open and uphold the terms of the Good Friday Agreement.
The UK and Irish governments have described the invisible and open border as “the most tangible symbol of the peace process”.
It doesn't? Are you sure?
Because the amount of times I've seen that line trotted out in the last 5 years, it must be true.
I was genuinely hoping I had missed something.
Perhaps you should express your opinion to the EU, British and Irish governments.
I'm sure they will point you in the right direction.
I would, but you won't accept it
What opinion is that?
I've asked for a factual piece of information. Opinion doesn't come into it.
You say you would but I won't accept it, I'd argue that it's yourself who can't accept that it doesn't say those words in that document.
As Birldn says, 'it's implied', you know what implied means don't you?"
I'm not even sure it'd implied.
I've bo idea why it still gets bandied about the " no border on the island of rieland" |
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"And the relevant FACT is the withdrawal agreement between the UK and the EU
You're the one who referenced the GFA. Now you wanna move the goalposts
I shouldn't expect any less I guess. Enjoy your evening
Why are you being so argumentative?
It is so obvious how and why N Ireland is different to any other country not least because the people of N Ireland can be British, or Irish - or both and therefore the entire way that the Province has to be governed is different and unique to any other territory or country.
Constructing a physical Brexit border to separate the province of N Ireland which is currently a territory of the United Kingdom would be catastrophic and there isn’t a single person with even the slightest knowledge on the subject who doesn’t know that."
No one constructed a border
Infact the uk government said it was happy not to have a border. Buy e.u market protection must override everything.
There was nothing argumentative about feisty reply.
Some 1 made a claim. Thay claim was false. Feisty asked them to prove it and the goalposts changed.
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"And the relevant FACT is the withdrawal agreement between the UK and the EU
You're the one who referenced the GFA. Now you wanna move the goalposts
I shouldn't expect any less I guess. Enjoy your evening
Why are you being so argumentative?
It is so obvious how and why N Ireland is different to any other country not least because the people of N Ireland can be British, or Irish - or both and therefore the entire way that the Province has to be governed is different and unique to any other territory or country.
Constructing a physical Brexit border to separate the province of N Ireland which is currently a territory of the United Kingdom would be catastrophic and there isn’t a single person with even the slightest knowledge on the subject who doesn’t know that.
Correct
And placing infrastructure on the land border would also be a catastrophe. "
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By *ip2Man
over a year ago
Near Maidenhead |
What has the EU done? Plenty:
- The EU Special Support Programme for Peace and Reconciliation in Northern Ireland.
- EU funding for projects like bridge building.
- Taking away customs barriers, and bringing in freedom of movement to make borders less important.
And some people think the EU has never done anything?
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"What has the EU done? Plenty:
- The EU Special Support Programme for Peace and Reconciliation in Northern Ireland.
- EU funding for projects like bridge building.
- Taking away customs barriers, and bringing in freedom of movement to make borders less important.
And some people think the EU has never done anything?
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..do you ever reply to anything in the threads?
Or is this just your own interpretations ? |
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I gave you some time to correct yourself but you've obviously chosen not to.
Your post showed the issue here, you tried to fob me of with the GFA 'no land border' explanations because you assumed I knew nothing about the GFA.
Oh well, shit happens. Do better. |
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I gave you some time to correct yourself but you've obviously chosen not to.
Your post showed the issue here, you tried to fob me of with the GFA 'no land border' explanations because you assumed I knew nothing about the GFA.
Oh well, shit happens. Do better. "
I just dont get the point of lying about a document that is online for any one to download and read for themselves.
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By *irldnCouple
over a year ago
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I gave you some time to correct yourself but you've obviously chosen not to.
Your post showed the issue here, you tried to fob me of with the GFA 'no land border' explanations because you assumed I knew nothing about the GFA.
Oh well, shit happens. Do better.
I just dont get the point of lying about a document that is online for any one to download and read for themselves.
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"[Removed by poster at 02/11/23 15:40:49]
I gave you some time to correct yourself but you've obviously chosen not to.
Your post showed the issue here, you tried to fob me of with the GFA 'no land border' explanations because you assumed I knew nothing about the GFA.
Oh well, shit happens. Do better.
I just dont get the point of lying about a document that is online for any one to download and read for themselves.
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What's a pile on? Ni two have messaged me. We are good
I have the GFA open in front of me.
And i have read it back to front multiple times.
My comment was that It doesn't mention a preclusion of any border on Ireland.
As I constantly remind people on this forum.
I will ask for evidence links of claims, I will also read their documents. And I will call a lie as I see it.
Pointing out something factual is not a pile on. |
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My car insurance went down this year drastically after some shopping around.
But can’t get my car into a garage and get the part I need for two weeks!!!!!!!!!! Ay caramba I am going to have to wait. |
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By *irldnCouple
over a year ago
Brighton |
"[Removed by poster at 02/11/23 15:40:49]
I gave you some time to correct yourself but you've obviously chosen not to.
Your post showed the issue here, you tried to fob me of with the GFA 'no land border' explanations because you assumed I knew nothing about the GFA.
Oh well, shit happens. Do better.
I just dont get the point of lying about a document that is online for any one to download and read for themselves.
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What's a pile on? Ni two have messaged me. We are good
I have the GFA open in front of me.
And i have read it back to front multiple times.
My comment was that It doesn't mention a preclusion of any border on Ireland.
As I constantly remind people on this forum.
I will ask for evidence links of claims, I will also read their documents. And I will call a lie as I see it.
Pointing out something factual is not a pile on."
The clue was the along with the “borderline” and then the “amber warning” which I thought was nice and topical today. |
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I gave you some time to correct yourself but you've obviously chosen not to.
Your post showed the issue here, you tried to fob me of with the GFA 'no land border' explanations because you assumed I knew nothing about the GFA.
Oh well, shit happens. Do better.
I just dont get the point of lying about a document that is online for any one to download and read for themselves.
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What's a pile on? Ni two have messaged me. We are good
I have the GFA open in front of me.
And i have read it back to front multiple times.
My comment was that It doesn't mention a preclusion of any border on Ireland.
As I constantly remind people on this forum.
I will ask for evidence links of claims, I will also read their documents. And I will call a lie as I see it.
Pointing out something factual is not a pile on.
The clue was the along with the “borderline” and then the “amber warning” which I thought was nice and topical today."
I defintely rolled my eyes
About this amber warning. It's been a bit windy here but nothing major, how is it along the coast? |
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By *irldnCouple
over a year ago
Brighton |
"[Removed by poster at 02/11/23 15:40:49]
I gave you some time to correct yourself but you've obviously chosen not to.
Your post showed the issue here, you tried to fob me of with the GFA 'no land border' explanations because you assumed I knew nothing about the GFA.
Oh well, shit happens. Do better.
I just dont get the point of lying about a document that is online for any one to download and read for themselves.
BORDERLINE PILE ON ALERT (amber warning)
What's a pile on? Ni two have messaged me. We are good
I have the GFA open in front of me.
And i have read it back to front multiple times.
My comment was that It doesn't mention a preclusion of any border on Ireland.
As I constantly remind people on this forum.
I will ask for evidence links of claims, I will also read their documents. And I will call a lie as I see it.
Pointing out something factual is not a pile on.
The clue was the along with the “borderline” and then the “amber warning” which I thought was nice and topical today.
I defintely rolled my eyes
About this amber warning. It's been a bit windy here but nothing major, how is it along the coast?"
No idea we are on holiday. Neighbours messaged to say roof and trees in garden all look fine so fingers crossed. Certainly wouldn’t have fancied being in Channel Islands today - maybe God is angry with all those tax haven off shore accounts |
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"[Removed by poster at 02/11/23 15:40:49]
I gave you some time to correct yourself but you've obviously chosen not to.
Your post showed the issue here, you tried to fob me of with the GFA 'no land border' explanations because you assumed I knew nothing about the GFA.
Oh well, shit happens. Do better.
I just dont get the point of lying about a document that is online for any one to download and read for themselves.
BORDERLINE PILE ON ALERT (amber warning)
What's a pile on? Ni two have messaged me. We are good
I have the GFA open in front of me.
And i have read it back to front multiple times.
My comment was that It doesn't mention a preclusion of any border on Ireland.
As I constantly remind people on this forum.
I will ask for evidence links of claims, I will also read their documents. And I will call a lie as I see it.
Pointing out something factual is not a pile on.
The clue was the along with the “borderline” and then the “amber warning” which I thought was nice and topical today.
I defintely rolled my eyes
About this amber warning. It's been a bit windy here but nothing major, how is it along the coast?
No idea we are on holiday. Neighbours messaged to say roof and trees in garden all look fine so fingers crossed. Certainly wouldn’t have fancied being in Channel Islands today - maybe God is angry with all those tax haven off shore accounts "
Hopefully all is well. Enjoy the holiday though, hope its warm |
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By *irldnCouple
over a year ago
Brighton |
"[Removed by poster at 02/11/23 15:40:49]
I gave you some time to correct yourself but you've obviously chosen not to.
Your post showed the issue here, you tried to fob me of with the GFA 'no land border' explanations because you assumed I knew nothing about the GFA.
Oh well, shit happens. Do better.
I just dont get the point of lying about a document that is online for any one to download and read for themselves.
BORDERLINE PILE ON ALERT (amber warning)
What's a pile on? Ni two have messaged me. We are good
I have the GFA open in front of me.
And i have read it back to front multiple times.
My comment was that It doesn't mention a preclusion of any border on Ireland.
As I constantly remind people on this forum.
I will ask for evidence links of claims, I will also read their documents. And I will call a lie as I see it.
Pointing out something factual is not a pile on.
The clue was the along with the “borderline” and then the “amber warning” which I thought was nice and topical today.
I defintely rolled my eyes
About this amber warning. It's been a bit windy here but nothing major, how is it along the coast?
No idea we are on holiday. Neighbours messaged to say roof and trees in garden all look fine so fingers crossed. Certainly wouldn’t have fancied being in Channel Islands today - maybe God is angry with all those tax haven off shore accounts
Hopefully all is well. Enjoy the holiday though, hope its warm "
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By *I TwoCouple
over a year ago
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"Roi companys won't supply ni because tax's are you high and it's just to much bother with the hole cross border thing the only way for everything to be sorted out is a united Ireland "
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Honestly speaking I don't see why the majority of the UK population should remain tied to a federalist organisation against their wishes just because a minority in NI can't bring themselves to live together in peace & harmony."
Against whose wishes? |
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"Honestly speaking I don't see why the majority of the UK population should remain tied to a federalist organisation against their wishes just because a minority in NI can't bring themselves to live together in peace & harmony.
Against whose wishes? "
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"Honestly speaking I don't see why the majority of the UK population should remain tied to a federalist organisation against their wishes just because a minority in NI can't bring themselves to live together in peace & harmony.
Against whose wishes?
Also, what "majority"?"
I assume he means the 25% of the population 7 years ago. |
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"Honestly speaking I don't see why the majority of the UK population should remain tied to a federalist organisation against their wishes just because a minority in NI can't bring themselves to live together in peace & harmony.
Against whose wishes?
Also, what "majority"?"
You forgot we held a referendum already? |
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"Honestly speaking I don't see why the majority of the UK population should remain tied to a federalist organisation against their wishes just because a minority in NI can't bring themselves to live together in peace & harmony.
Against whose wishes?
Also, what "majority"?
You forgot we held a referendum already? "
A minority of the population voted to leave the EU.
In a poll last year, about 12% of people said they still thought brexit was a good thing. (I know you can't always believe polls, and 12% seems radically high, but hardly anywhere near a majority of people).
So it's safe to say "majority of the population" was an inaccurate statement. |
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"Honestly speaking I don't see why the majority of the UK population should remain tied to a federalist organisation against their wishes just because a minority in NI can't bring themselves to live together in peace & harmony.
Against whose wishes?
Also, what "majority"?
You forgot we held a referendum already?
A minority of the population voted to leave the EU.
In a poll last year, about 12% of people said they still thought brexit was a good thing. (I know you can't always believe polls, and 12% seems radically high, but hardly anywhere near a majority of people).
So it's safe to say "majority of the population" was an inaccurate statement."
Look you can't re-write history - as much as you'd like to. We all know the Leave side won the referendum according to the rules of the vote. Majority was stated in the context of a democratic vote, and the term is correct. Put simply, Leave won the majority of votes, and by extension didn't want to remain in the EU.
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"Honestly speaking I don't see why the majority of the UK population should remain tied to a federalist organisation against their wishes just because a minority in NI can't bring themselves to live together in peace & harmony.
Against whose wishes?
Also, what "majority"?
You forgot we held a referendum already?
A minority of the population voted to leave the EU.
In a poll last year, about 12% of people said they still thought brexit was a good thing. (I know you can't always believe polls, and 12% seems radically high, but hardly anywhere near a majority of people).
So it's safe to say "majority of the population" was an inaccurate statement.
Look you can't re-write history - as much as you'd like to.
"
No one is trying to. Where are you getting this idea from?
"
We all know the Leave side won the referendum according to the rules of the vote.
"
Aside from breaking the rules. But sure.
"
Majority was stated in the context of a democratic vote, and the term is correct.
"
"Majority of the population" is incorrect.
Majority of those who voted. Is correct.
"
Put simply, Leave won the majority of votes, and by extension didn't want to remain in the EU.
"
This is correct. So it's not the majority of the population. And recent surveys suggest it's a small minority of the population that still cling on to the brexit dream. |
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"Honestly speaking I don't see why the majority of the UK population should remain tied to a federalist organisation against their wishes just because a minority in NI can't bring themselves to live together in peace & harmony.
Against whose wishes?
Also, what "majority"?
You forgot we held a referendum already?
A minority of the population voted to leave the EU.
In a poll last year, about 12% of people said they still thought brexit was a good thing. (I know you can't always believe polls, and 12% seems radically high, but hardly anywhere near a majority of people).
So it's safe to say "majority of the population" was an inaccurate statement.
Look you can't re-write history - as much as you'd like to.
No one is trying to. Where are you getting this idea from?
We all know the Leave side won the referendum according to the rules of the vote.
Aside from breaking the rules. But sure.
Majority was stated in the context of a democratic vote, and the term is correct.
"Majority of the population" is incorrect.
Majority of those who voted. Is correct.
Put simply, Leave won the majority of votes, and by extension didn't want to remain in the EU.
This is correct. So it's not the majority of the population. And recent surveys suggest it's a small minority of the population that still cling on to the brexit dream. "
Surveys in 2023 are irrelevant, it's the vote in 2016 that counts, and that's all that matters now. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Honestly speaking I don't see why the majority of the UK population should remain tied to a federalist organisation against their wishes just because a minority in NI can't bring themselves to live together in peace & harmony.
Against whose wishes?
Also, what "majority"?
You forgot we held a referendum already?
A minority of the population voted to leave the EU.
In a poll last year, about 12% of people said they still thought brexit was a good thing. (I know you can't always believe polls, and 12% seems radically high, but hardly anywhere near a majority of people).
So it's safe to say "majority of the population" was an inaccurate statement.
Look you can't re-write history - as much as you'd like to.
No one is trying to. Where are you getting this idea from?
We all know the Leave side won the referendum according to the rules of the vote.
Aside from breaking the rules. But sure.
Majority was stated in the context of a democratic vote, and the term is correct.
"Majority of the population" is incorrect.
Majority of those who voted. Is correct.
Put simply, Leave won the majority of votes, and by extension didn't want to remain in the EU.
This is correct. So it's not the majority of the population. And recent surveys suggest it's a small minority of the population that still cling on to the brexit dream.
Surveys in 2023 are irrelevant, it's the vote in 2016 that counts, and that's all that matters now. "
We had a referendum because there was supposedly widespread support for leaving the EU.
At what point do we get a referendum on rejoining, given the polling and demographics? |
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By *estivalMan
over a year ago
borehamwood |
"Honestly speaking I don't see why the majority of the UK population should remain tied to a federalist organisation against their wishes just because a minority in NI can't bring themselves to live together in peace & harmony.
Against whose wishes?
Also, what "majority"?
You forgot we held a referendum already?
A minority of the population voted to leave the EU.
In a poll last year, about 12% of people said they still thought brexit was a good thing. (I know you can't always believe polls, and 12% seems radically high, but hardly anywhere near a majority of people).
So it's safe to say "majority of the population" was an inaccurate statement.
Look you can't re-write history - as much as you'd like to.
No one is trying to. Where are you getting this idea from?
We all know the Leave side won the referendum according to the rules of the vote.
Aside from breaking the rules. But sure.
Majority was stated in the context of a democratic vote, and the term is correct.
"Majority of the population" is incorrect.
Majority of those who voted. Is correct.
Put simply, Leave won the majority of votes, and by extension didn't want to remain in the EU.
This is correct. So it's not the majority of the population. And recent surveys suggest it's a small minority of the population that still cling on to the brexit dream.
Surveys in 2023 are irrelevant, it's the vote in 2016 that counts, and that's all that matters now.
We had a referendum because there was supposedly widespread support for leaving the EU.
At what point do we get a referendum on rejoining, given the polling and demographics?"
i should imagine you may get to go put a cross in a box about rejoining in about 15 - 20 years |
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"Honestly speaking I don't see why the majority of the UK population should remain tied to a federalist organisation against their wishes just because a minority in NI can't bring themselves to live together in peace & harmony.
Against whose wishes?
Also, what "majority"?
You forgot we held a referendum already?
A minority of the population voted to leave the EU.
In a poll last year, about 12% of people said they still thought brexit was a good thing. (I know you can't always believe polls, and 12% seems radically high, but hardly anywhere near a majority of people).
So it's safe to say "majority of the population" was an inaccurate statement.
Look you can't re-write history - as much as you'd like to.
No one is trying to. Where are you getting this idea from?
We all know the Leave side won the referendum according to the rules of the vote.
Aside from breaking the rules. But sure.
Majority was stated in the context of a democratic vote, and the term is correct.
"Majority of the population" is incorrect.
Majority of those who voted. Is correct.
Put simply, Leave won the majority of votes, and by extension didn't want to remain in the EU.
This is correct. So it's not the majority of the population. And recent surveys suggest it's a small minority of the population that still cling on to the brexit dream.
Surveys in 2023 are irrelevant, it's the vote in 2016 that counts, and that's all that matters now.
We had a referendum because there was supposedly widespread support for leaving the EU.
At what point do we get a referendum on rejoining, given the polling and demographics?i should imagine you may get to go put a cross in a box about rejoining in about 15 - 20 years"
Jeez well be clear pf the e.u by then.
3 years Intot brexit we are outgrowing Germany( no delfator revision), France are our equals , Italy are ahead( no deflator revision)
More trade deals. And we will start really pulling ahead. |
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over a year ago
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"Honestly speaking I don't see why the majority of the UK population should remain tied to a federalist organisation against their wishes just because a minority in NI can't bring themselves to live together in peace & harmony.
Against whose wishes?
Also, what "majority"?
You forgot we held a referendum already?
A minority of the population voted to leave the EU.
In a poll last year, about 12% of people said they still thought brexit was a good thing. (I know you can't always believe polls, and 12% seems radically high, but hardly anywhere near a majority of people).
So it's safe to say "majority of the population" was an inaccurate statement.
Look you can't re-write history - as much as you'd like to.
No one is trying to. Where are you getting this idea from?
We all know the Leave side won the referendum according to the rules of the vote.
Aside from breaking the rules. But sure.
Majority was stated in the context of a democratic vote, and the term is correct.
"Majority of the population" is incorrect.
Majority of those who voted. Is correct.
Put simply, Leave won the majority of votes, and by extension didn't want to remain in the EU.
This is correct. So it's not the majority of the population. And recent surveys suggest it's a small minority of the population that still cling on to the brexit dream.
Surveys in 2023 are irrelevant, it's the vote in 2016 that counts, and that's all that matters now.
We had a referendum because there was supposedly widespread support for leaving the EU.
At what point do we get a referendum on rejoining, given the polling and demographics?i should imagine you may get to go put a cross in a box about rejoining in about 15 - 20 years
Jeez well be clear pf the e.u by then.
3 years Intot brexit we are outgrowing Germany( no delfator revision), France are our equals , Italy are ahead( no deflator revision)
More trade deals. And we will start really pulling ahead."
We haven’t recovered from the damage yet, let alone ‘pulling ahead’
Not to mention full customs impact hasn’t been in place yet, not til late 2024. |
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"Can we put the 160% down to a lie yet?
Why ?
You have no idea of the OPs circumstances ?
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I asked 5 days ago and have repeated almost dialy for the quotes to be copy pasted on here.
I have a full history of mot payments. As well as renewal quotes.
Shouldn't be this hard.
Op replied multiple times and no proof.
So I'm putting it down as another lie
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"Honestly speaking I don't see why the majority of the UK population should remain tied to a federalist organisation against their wishes just because a minority in NI can't bring themselves to live together in peace & harmony.
Against whose wishes?
Also, what "majority"?
You forgot we held a referendum already?
A minority of the population voted to leave the EU.
In a poll last year, about 12% of people said they still thought brexit was a good thing. (I know you can't always believe polls, and 12% seems radically high, but hardly anywhere near a majority of people).
So it's safe to say "majority of the population" was an inaccurate statement.
Look you can't re-write history - as much as you'd like to.
No one is trying to. Where are you getting this idea from?
We all know the Leave side won the referendum according to the rules of the vote.
Aside from breaking the rules. But sure.
Majority was stated in the context of a democratic vote, and the term is correct.
"Majority of the population" is incorrect.
Majority of those who voted. Is correct.
Put simply, Leave won the majority of votes, and by extension didn't want to remain in the EU.
This is correct. So it's not the majority of the population. And recent surveys suggest it's a small minority of the population that still cling on to the brexit dream.
Surveys in 2023 are irrelevant, it's the vote in 2016 that counts, and that's all that matters now.
We had a referendum because there was supposedly widespread support for leaving the EU.
At what point do we get a referendum on rejoining, given the polling and demographics?"
No idea, but not anytime soon I suspect. I'd say there's more chance of the EU itself imploding than any appetite in the UK for rejoining. |
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By *ermbi OP Man
over a year ago
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"Can we put the 160% down to a lie yet?
Why ?
You have no idea of the OPs circumstances ?
I asked 5 days ago and have repeated almost dialy for the quotes to be copy pasted on here.
I have a full history of mot payments. As well as renewal quotes.
Shouldn't be this hard.
Op replied multiple times and no proof.
So I'm putting it down as another lie
"
Quotes were over the phone and were not lies. Why should I post evidence on here. What's wrong with you that you don't take it at face value. |
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By *ermbi OP Man
over a year ago
Ballyshannon |
"Honestly speaking I don't see why the majority of the UK population should remain tied to a federalist organisation against their wishes just because a minority in NI can't bring themselves to live together in peace & harmony.
Against whose wishes?
Also, what "majority"?
You forgot we held a referendum already?
A minority of the population voted to leave the EU.
In a poll last year, about 12% of people said they still thought brexit was a good thing. (I know you can't always believe polls, and 12% seems radically high, but hardly anywhere near a majority of people).
So it's safe to say "majority of the population" was an inaccurate statement.
Look you can't re-write history - as much as you'd like to.
No one is trying to. Where are you getting this idea from?
We all know the Leave side won the referendum according to the rules of the vote.
Aside from breaking the rules. But sure.
Majority was stated in the context of a democratic vote, and the term is correct.
"Majority of the population" is incorrect.
Majority of those who voted. Is correct.
Put simply, Leave won the majority of votes, and by extension didn't want to remain in the EU.
This is correct. So it's not the majority of the population. And recent surveys suggest it's a small minority of the population that still cling on to the brexit dream.
Surveys in 2023 are irrelevant, it's the vote in 2016 that counts, and that's all that matters now.
We had a referendum because there was supposedly widespread support for leaving the EU.
At what point do we get a referendum on rejoining, given the polling and demographics?i should imagine you may get to go put a cross in a box about rejoining in about 15 - 20 years
Jeez well be clear pf the e.u by then.
3 years Intot brexit we are outgrowing Germany( no delfator revision), France are our equals , Italy are ahead( no deflator revision)
More trade deals. And we will start really pulling ahead."
Where will the trade deals come from. Japan which is a major economy didn't entertain UK with a huge trade deal. It equated to what it takes to run the Commonwealth office annually. Where are the big trade deals coming from? US isn't interested so far. |
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"Honestly speaking I don't see why the majority of the UK population should remain tied to a federalist organisation against their wishes just because a minority in NI can't bring themselves to live together in peace & harmony.
Against whose wishes?
Also, what "majority"?
You forgot we held a referendum already?
A minority of the population voted to leave the EU.
In a poll last year, about 12% of people said they still thought brexit was a good thing. (I know you can't always believe polls, and 12% seems radically high, but hardly anywhere near a majority of people).
So it's safe to say "majority of the population" was an inaccurate statement.
Look you can't re-write history - as much as you'd like to.
No one is trying to. Where are you getting this idea from?
We all know the Leave side won the referendum according to the rules of the vote.
Aside from breaking the rules. But sure.
Majority was stated in the context of a democratic vote, and the term is correct.
"Majority of the population" is incorrect.
Majority of those who voted. Is correct.
Put simply, Leave won the majority of votes, and by extension didn't want to remain in the EU.
This is correct. So it's not the majority of the population. And recent surveys suggest it's a small minority of the population that still cling on to the brexit dream.
Surveys in 2023 are irrelevant, it's the vote in 2016 that counts, and that's all that matters now.
We had a referendum because there was supposedly widespread support for leaving the EU.
At what point do we get a referendum on rejoining, given the polling and demographics?i should imagine you may get to go put a cross in a box about rejoining in about 15 - 20 years
Jeez well be clear pf the e.u by then.
3 years Intot brexit we are outgrowing Germany( no delfator revision), France are our equals , Italy are ahead( no deflator revision)
More trade deals. And we will start really pulling ahead.
Where will the trade deals come from. Japan which is a major economy didn't entertain UK with a huge trade deal. It equated to what it takes to run the Commonwealth office annually. Where are the big trade deals coming from? US isn't interested so far."
Japan already had a quite comprehensive trade deal with the uk via the e.u but still allowed further cheese imports and other areas on services.
We are currentlymnegotiating and renegotiating several others.
We have nz and aus locked
Cptpp we are joining
South Korea ongoing I think.
We are docussing with
Canada,Mexico,Israel,GCC, Switzerland,
I think we are looking with Turkey too with calls for input? |
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"Japan already had a quite comprehensive trade deal with the uk via the e.u but still allowed further cheese imports and other areas on services.
We are currentlymnegotiating and renegotiating several others.
We have nz and aus locked
Cptpp we are joining
South Korea ongoing I think.
We are docussing with
Canada,Mexico,Israel,GCC, Switzerland,
I think we are looking with Turkey too with calls for input?"
And don't forget that Biden will be out of a job in just over a year, and his replacement is much more interested in getting a trade deal done. |
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"Japan already had a quite comprehensive trade deal with the uk via the e.u but still allowed further cheese imports and other areas on services.
We are currentlymnegotiating and renegotiating several others.
We have nz and aus locked
Cptpp we are joining
South Korea ongoing I think.
We are docussing with
Canada,Mexico,Israel,GCC, Switzerland,
I think we are looking with Turkey too with calls for input?
And don't forget that Biden will be out of a job in just over a year, and his replacement is much more interested in getting a trade deal done."
Will be interesting to see how the USA unfolds.
I've honestly no idea if trumpet will be jailed before hand.
Who else would win the race if he is.
If he does enter it. Surely he wins?
Are the Democrats dumb enough to put Biden back in? |
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"Will be interesting to see how the USA unfolds.
I've honestly no idea if trumpet will be jailed before hand.
Who else would win the race if he is.
If he does enter it. Surely he wins?
Are the Democrats dumb enough to put Biden back in?"
There's nothing stopping him from running for pres, and taking up office from a jail cell. I doubt he'd step down if jailed. |
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By *eroy1000Man
over a year ago
milton keynes |
"Honestly speaking I don't see why the majority of the UK population should remain tied to a federalist organisation against their wishes just because a minority in NI can't bring themselves to live together in peace & harmony.
Against whose wishes?
Also, what "majority"?
You forgot we held a referendum already?
A minority of the population voted to leave the EU.
In a poll last year, about 12% of people said they still thought brexit was a good thing. (I know you can't always believe polls, and 12% seems radically high, but hardly anywhere near a majority of people).
So it's safe to say "majority of the population" was an inaccurate statement.
Look you can't re-write history - as much as you'd like to.
No one is trying to. Where are you getting this idea from?
We all know the Leave side won the referendum according to the rules of the vote.
Aside from breaking the rules. But sure.
Majority was stated in the context of a democratic vote, and the term is correct.
"Majority of the population" is incorrect.
Majority of those who voted. Is correct.
Put simply, Leave won the majority of votes, and by extension didn't want to remain in the EU.
This is correct. So it's not the majority of the population. And recent surveys suggest it's a small minority of the population that still cling on to the brexit dream.
Surveys in 2023 are irrelevant, it's the vote in 2016 that counts, and that's all that matters now.
We had a referendum because there was supposedly widespread support for leaving the EU.
At what point do we get a referendum on rejoining, given the polling and demographics?i should imagine you may get to go put a cross in a box about rejoining in about 15 - 20 years
Jeez well be clear pf the e.u by then.
3 years Intot brexit we are outgrowing Germany( no delfator revision), France are our equals , Italy are ahead( no deflator revision)
More trade deals. And we will start really pulling ahead.
Where will the trade deals come from. Japan which is a major economy didn't entertain UK with a huge trade deal. It equated to what it takes to run the Commonwealth office annually. Where are the big trade deals coming from? US isn't interested so far. Japan already had a quite comprehensive trade deal with the uk via the e.u but still allowed further cheese imports and other areas on services.
We are currentlymnegotiating and renegotiating several others.
We have nz and aus locked
Cptpp we are joining
South Korea ongoing I think.
We are docussing with
Canada,Mexico,Israel,GCC, Switzerland,
I think we are looking with Turkey too with calls for input?"
Recently I read that the UK has signed deals with several U.S. states. These are not full deals by any stretch so was wondering if they are if much benefit or just window dressing. The size of the economies of some of these states is huge so even a little help would be good |
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Need more tea lol