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"It seems independent pathologists from around the globe have corroborated the stories of human torture and abuse before death. I am happy with the report an verification from multiple pathologists within bias in attendance. Should israel release these images for the world to see the horror. And maybe change their minds on this war and their stances on " standing with Palestine?"" didnt realise the palastinians were responsible i thought it was hammas, if you wana see dead and burnt bodies watch some of the arab worlds news stations plenty being pulled out the rubble at momment, i do think most people think dead civillians on either side are a bad thing, although from some of the comments on the forums over the last cpl of weeks you would think dead civillians from one side are all that matters | |||
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"It seems independent pathologists from around the globe have corroborated the stories of human torture and abuse before death. I am happy with the report an verification from multiple pathologists within bias in attendance. Should israel release these images for the world to see the horror. And maybe change their minds on this war and their stances on " standing with Palestine?"" Do we desperately need more people cheering on the IDF bombing Palestinian children in revenge for atrocities committed by Hamas? | |||
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"It seems independent pathologists from around the globe have corroborated the stories of human torture and abuse before death. I am happy with the report an verification from multiple pathologists within bias in attendance. Should israel release these images for the world to see the horror. And maybe change their minds on this war and their stances on " standing with Palestine?"didnt realise the palastinians were responsible i thought it was hammas, if you wana see dead and burnt bodies watch some of the arab worlds news stations plenty being pulled out the rubble at momment, i do think most people think dead civillians on either side are a bad thing, although from some of the comments on the forums over the last cpl of weeks you would think dead civillians from one side are all that matters" Apparently some kids, it's okay to kill, and others not. It's pretty fucking disgusting. | |||
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"It seems independent pathologists from around the globe have corroborated the stories of human torture and abuse before death. I am happy with the report an verification from multiple pathologists within bias in attendance. Should israel release these images for the world to see the horror. And maybe change their minds on this war and their stances on " standing with Palestine?"didnt realise the palastinians were responsible i thought it was hammas, if you wana see dead and burnt bodies watch some of the arab worlds news stations plenty being pulled out the rubble at momment, i do think most people think dead civillians on either side are a bad thing, although from some of the comments on the forums over the last cpl of weeks you would think dead civillians from one side are all that matters Apparently some kids, it's okay to kill, and others not. It's pretty fucking disgusting. " dont agree with you on a lot of things but aint that the fucking truth | |||
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"It seems independent pathologists from around the globe have corroborated the stories of human torture and abuse before death. I am happy with the report an verification from multiple pathologists within bias in attendance. Should israel release these images for the world to see the horror. And maybe change their minds on this war and their stances on " standing with Palestine?"" Releasing the images would prove nothing to some people. Israel should just stay the course. No matter what they try and justify their stance people would just retort " what about the Palestinians". So it's going to get a lot worse and there is going to be more images from both sides. It is war. | |||
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"It seems independent pathologists from around the globe have corroborated the stories of human torture and abuse before death. I am happy with the report an verification from multiple pathologists within bias in attendance. Should israel release these images for the world to see the horror. And maybe change their minds on this war and their stances on " standing with Palestine?" Releasing the images would prove nothing to some people. Israel should just stay the course. No matter what they try and justify their stance people would just retort " what about the Palestinians". So it's going to get a lot worse and there is going to be more images from both sides. It is war." lots of propaganda from both sides yep | |||
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"It seems independent pathologists from around the globe have corroborated the stories of human torture and abuse before death. I am happy with the report an verification from multiple pathologists within bias in attendance. Should israel release these images for the world to see the horror. And maybe change their minds on this war and their stances on " standing with Palestine?" Do we desperately need more people cheering on the IDF bombing Palestinian children in revenge for atrocities committed by Hamas?" Do we desperately need to see cities in our country turned into anti-Semitic hate filled, terrorist supporting no go areas? The police making no attempt at stopping isis supporting thugs chanting hate in the streets of our country, is a disgrace. It saddens me to watch the gullible progressive liberals who are cheering on these actions oblivious to the long term damage they are doing to the society they are demanding listens to every view, oh the irony!! | |||
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"It seems independent pathologists from around the globe have corroborated the stories of human torture and abuse before death. I am happy with the report an verification from multiple pathologists within bias in attendance. Should israel release these images for the world to see the horror. And maybe change their minds on this war and their stances on " standing with Palestine?" Do we desperately need more people cheering on the IDF bombing Palestinian children in revenge for atrocities committed by Hamas? Do we desperately need to see cities in our country turned into anti-Semitic hate filled, terrorist supporting no go areas? " What's this dailymail type bullshit got to do with anything? You're better than this. " The police making no attempt at stopping isis supporting thugs chanting hate in the streets of our country, is a disgrace. It saddens me to watch the gullible progressive liberals who are cheering on these actions oblivious to the long term damage they are doing to the society they are demanding listens to every view, oh the irony!! " See, here's the secret. Those of us who you consider "gullible progressive liberals" and all the other attempted slurs you've used over the past however long. We're opposed to all forms of racism and prejudice. Where as others are opposed to some and in favour of others. As your post demonstrates. | |||
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"It seems independent pathologists from around the globe have corroborated the stories of human torture and abuse before death. I am happy with the report an verification from multiple pathologists within bias in attendance. Should israel release these images for the world to see the horror. And maybe change their minds on this war and their stances on " standing with Palestine?" Do we desperately need more people cheering on the IDF bombing Palestinian children in revenge for atrocities committed by Hamas? Do we desperately need to see cities in our country turned into anti-Semitic hate filled, terrorist supporting no go areas? What's this dailymail type bullshit got to do with anything? You're better than this. The police making no attempt at stopping isis supporting thugs chanting hate in the streets of our country, is a disgrace. It saddens me to watch the gullible progressive liberals who are cheering on these actions oblivious to the long term damage they are doing to the society they are demanding listens to every view, oh the irony!! See, here's the secret. Those of us who you consider "gullible progressive liberals" and all the other attempted slurs you've used over the past however long. We're opposed to all forms of racism and prejudice. Where as others are opposed to some and in favour of others. As your post demonstrates. " Get your head out of the sand Johnny, have you not got a city near you? If not turn on the news, investigate what is going on and come back and tell me that what I have written is wrong. | |||
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"It seems independent pathologists from around the globe have corroborated the stories of human torture and abuse before death. I am happy with the report an verification from multiple pathologists within bias in attendance. Should israel release these images for the world to see the horror. And maybe change their minds on this war and their stances on " standing with Palestine?" Do we desperately need more people cheering on the IDF bombing Palestinian children in revenge for atrocities committed by Hamas? Do we desperately need to see cities in our country turned into anti-Semitic hate filled, terrorist supporting no go areas? What's this dailymail type bullshit got to do with anything? You're better than this. The police making no attempt at stopping isis supporting thugs chanting hate in the streets of our country, is a disgrace. It saddens me to watch the gullible progressive liberals who are cheering on these actions oblivious to the long term damage they are doing to the society they are demanding listens to every view, oh the irony!! See, here's the secret. Those of us who you consider "gullible progressive liberals" and all the other attempted slurs you've used over the past however long. We're opposed to all forms of racism and prejudice. Where as others are opposed to some and in favour of others. As your post demonstrates. Get your head out of the sand Johnny, have you not got a city near you? If not turn on the news, investigate what is going on and come back and tell me that what I have written is wrong. " Police in the British capital ramped up patrols amid growing tensions, but said there had been 218 antisemitic offences between Oct. 1 and 18, compared to 15 in the same period in 2022. Islamophobic offences were up to 101, from 42. I put that in the thread I started. | |||
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"It seems independent pathologists from around the globe have corroborated the stories of human torture and abuse before death. I am happy with the report an verification from multiple pathologists within bias in attendance. Should israel release these images for the world to see the horror. And maybe change their minds on this war and their stances on " standing with Palestine?" Do we desperately need more people cheering on the IDF bombing Palestinian children in revenge for atrocities committed by Hamas? Do we desperately need to see cities in our country turned into anti-Semitic hate filled, terrorist supporting no go areas? The police making no attempt at stopping isis supporting thugs chanting hate in the streets of our country, is a disgrace. It saddens me to watch the gullible progressive liberals who are cheering on these actions oblivious to the long term damage they are doing to the society they are demanding listens to every view, oh the irony!! " u do realise islamaphobic attacks have increased aswell since this all kicked off, or is that ok but anti semitic attacks aint, there either both shit or both ok | |||
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"It seems independent pathologists from around the globe have corroborated the stories of human torture and abuse before death. I am happy with the report an verification from multiple pathologists within bias in attendance. Should israel release these images for the world to see the horror. And maybe change their minds on this war and their stances on " standing with Palestine?" Do we desperately need more people cheering on the IDF bombing Palestinian children in revenge for atrocities committed by Hamas? Do we desperately need to see cities in our country turned into anti-Semitic hate filled, terrorist supporting no go areas? The police making no attempt at stopping isis supporting thugs chanting hate in the streets of our country, is a disgrace. It saddens me to watch the gullible progressive liberals who are cheering on these actions oblivious to the long term damage they are doing to the society they are demanding listens to every view, oh the irony!! u do realise islamaphobic attacks have increased aswell since this all kicked off, or is that ok but anti semitic attacks aint, there either both shit or both ok" Why ask if it is okay for islamaphobic attacks, where have I given that impression? Going back to my point, the mass protests in which openly supporting isis and other terror organisations are going unchallenged by our police, you have seen this? My point is also about the progressive liberals who are also out on the protests chanting and cheering in some cases terrorists. To their defence, I think they are stupid and unaware, but ignorance is no defence. | |||
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"It seems independent pathologists from around the globe have corroborated the stories of human torture and abuse before death. I am happy with the report an verification from multiple pathologists within bias in attendance. Should israel release these images for the world to see the horror. And maybe change their minds on this war and their stances on " standing with Palestine?" Do we desperately need more people cheering on the IDF bombing Palestinian children in revenge for atrocities committed by Hamas? Do we desperately need to see cities in our country turned into anti-Semitic hate filled, terrorist supporting no go areas? What's this dailymail type bullshit got to do with anything? You're better than this. The police making no attempt at stopping isis supporting thugs chanting hate in the streets of our country, is a disgrace. It saddens me to watch the gullible progressive liberals who are cheering on these actions oblivious to the long term damage they are doing to the society they are demanding listens to every view, oh the irony!! See, here's the secret. Those of us who you consider "gullible progressive liberals" and all the other attempted slurs you've used over the past however long. We're opposed to all forms of racism and prejudice. Where as others are opposed to some and in favour of others. As your post demonstrates. " Daily Mail type bullshit ? It seems that you are a long way detached from reality. According to recent circulation figures it is one of the most popular newspapers in the UK . It is insulting to refer to its readers as being gullible . They are working hard and contributing to society. The tolerance of the woke warriors rapidly disappears should you express an opinion with which they disagree. | |||
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"It seems independent pathologists from around the globe have corroborated the stories of human torture and abuse before death. I am happy with the report an verification from multiple pathologists within bias in attendance. Should israel release these images for the world to see the horror. And maybe change their minds on this war and their stances on " standing with Palestine?" Do we desperately need more people cheering on the IDF bombing Palestinian children in revenge for atrocities committed by Hamas? Do we desperately need to see cities in our country turned into anti-Semitic hate filled, terrorist supporting no go areas? The police making no attempt at stopping isis supporting thugs chanting hate in the streets of our country, is a disgrace. It saddens me to watch the gullible progressive liberals who are cheering on these actions oblivious to the long term damage they are doing to the society they are demanding listens to every view, oh the irony!! u do realise islamaphobic attacks have increased aswell since this all kicked off, or is that ok but anti semitic attacks aint, there either both shit or both ok Why ask if it is okay for islamaphobic attacks, where have I given that impression? Going back to my point, the mass protests in which openly supporting isis and other terror organisations are going unchallenged by our police, you have seen this? My point is also about the progressive liberals who are also out on the protests chanting and cheering in some cases terrorists. To their defence, I think they are stupid and unaware, but ignorance is no defence. " i see protests supporting palastinians not seen any supporting isis | |||
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"It seems independent pathologists from around the globe have corroborated the stories of human torture and abuse before death. I am happy with the report an verification from multiple pathologists within bias in attendance. Should israel release these images for the world to see the horror. And maybe change their minds on this war and their stances on " standing with Palestine?" Do we desperately need more people cheering on the IDF bombing Palestinian children in revenge for atrocities committed by Hamas? Do we desperately need to see cities in our country turned into anti-Semitic hate filled, terrorist supporting no go areas? The police making no attempt at stopping isis supporting thugs chanting hate in the streets of our country, is a disgrace. It saddens me to watch the gullible progressive liberals who are cheering on these actions oblivious to the long term damage they are doing to the society they are demanding listens to every view, oh the irony!! u do realise islamaphobic attacks have increased aswell since this all kicked off, or is that ok but anti semitic attacks aint, there either both shit or both ok Why ask if it is okay for islamaphobic attacks, where have I given that impression? Going back to my point, the mass protests in which openly supporting isis and other terror organisations are going unchallenged by our police, you have seen this? My point is also about the progressive liberals who are also out on the protests chanting and cheering in some cases terrorists. To their defence, I think they are stupid and unaware, but ignorance is no defence. i see protests supporting palastinians not seen any supporting isis" You are not looking then | |||
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"It seems independent pathologists from around the globe have corroborated the stories of human torture and abuse before death. I am happy with the report an verification from multiple pathologists within bias in attendance. Should israel release these images for the world to see the horror. And maybe change their minds on this war and their stances on " standing with Palestine?" Do we desperately need more people cheering on the IDF bombing Palestinian children in revenge for atrocities committed by Hamas? Do we desperately need to see cities in our country turned into anti-Semitic hate filled, terrorist supporting no go areas? The police making no attempt at stopping isis supporting thugs chanting hate in the streets of our country, is a disgrace. It saddens me to watch the gullible progressive liberals who are cheering on these actions oblivious to the long term damage they are doing to the society they are demanding listens to every view, oh the irony!! u do realise islamaphobic attacks have increased aswell since this all kicked off, or is that ok but anti semitic attacks aint, there either both shit or both ok Why ask if it is okay for islamaphobic attacks, where have I given that impression? Going back to my point, the mass protests in which openly supporting isis and other terror organisations are going unchallenged by our police, you have seen this? My point is also about the progressive liberals who are also out on the protests chanting and cheering in some cases terrorists. To their defence, I think they are stupid and unaware, but ignorance is no defence. i see protests supporting palastinians not seen any supporting isis You are not looking then" looking plenty unlike yourself im not taking my point of view from piers morgan and kelvin mckenzie, u have 70 000 people on the street ur gona get a few arseholes majority of the people no, pretty sure if u had 70 000 people on the street supporting isrel there would be a few arseholes cheering on the idf killing civillians but that wouldnt meen the majority were either | |||
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"It seems independent pathologists from around the globe have corroborated the stories of human torture and abuse before death. I am happy with the report an verification from multiple pathologists within bias in attendance. Should israel release these images for the world to see the horror. And maybe change their minds on this war and their stances on " standing with Palestine?" Do we desperately need more people cheering on the IDF bombing Palestinian children in revenge for atrocities committed by Hamas? Do we desperately need to see cities in our country turned into anti-Semitic hate filled, terrorist supporting no go areas? The police making no attempt at stopping isis supporting thugs chanting hate in the streets of our country, is a disgrace. It saddens me to watch the gullible progressive liberals who are cheering on these actions oblivious to the long term damage they are doing to the society they are demanding listens to every view, oh the irony!! u do realise islamaphobic attacks have increased aswell since this all kicked off, or is that ok but anti semitic attacks aint, there either both shit or both ok Why ask if it is okay for islamaphobic attacks, where have I given that impression? Going back to my point, the mass protests in which openly supporting isis and other terror organisations are going unchallenged by our police, you have seen this? My point is also about the progressive liberals who are also out on the protests chanting and cheering in some cases terrorists. To their defence, I think they are stupid and unaware, but ignorance is no defence. i see protests supporting palastinians not seen any supporting isis" Haven't you seen Isis flags in amongst the others? | |||
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"It seems independent pathologists from around the globe have corroborated the stories of human torture and abuse before death. I am happy with the report an verification from multiple pathologists within bias in attendance. Should israel release these images for the world to see the horror. And maybe change their minds on this war and their stances on " standing with Palestine?" Do we desperately need more people cheering on the IDF bombing Palestinian children in revenge for atrocities committed by Hamas? Do we desperately need to see cities in our country turned into anti-Semitic hate filled, terrorist supporting no go areas? The police making no attempt at stopping isis supporting thugs chanting hate in the streets of our country, is a disgrace. It saddens me to watch the gullible progressive liberals who are cheering on these actions oblivious to the long term damage they are doing to the society they are demanding listens to every view, oh the irony!! u do realise islamaphobic attacks have increased aswell since this all kicked off, or is that ok but anti semitic attacks aint, there either both shit or both ok Why ask if it is okay for islamaphobic attacks, where have I given that impression? Going back to my point, the mass protests in which openly supporting isis and other terror organisations are going unchallenged by our police, you have seen this? My point is also about the progressive liberals who are also out on the protests chanting and cheering in some cases terrorists. To their defence, I think they are stupid and unaware, but ignorance is no defence. i see protests supporting palastinians not seen any supporting isis You are not looking thenlooking plenty unlike yourself im not taking my point of view from piers morgan and kelvin mckenzie, u have 70 000 people on the street ur gona get a few arseholes majority of the people no, pretty sure if u had 70 000 people on the street supporting isrel there would be a few arseholes cheering on the idf killing civillians but that wouldnt meen the majority were either" Exactly, and I expect them to be arrested not allowed to take over the streets calling for the deaths of people and cheering on terrorists. This country needs to get a grip, and stop allowing this to happen from any side, and those liberal idiots that are blindly supporting terrorists through their ignorance need an education. | |||
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"It seems independent pathologists from around the globe have corroborated the stories of human torture and abuse before death. I am happy with the report an verification from multiple pathologists within bias in attendance. Should israel release these images for the world to see the horror. And maybe change their minds on this war and their stances on " standing with Palestine?" Do we desperately need more people cheering on the IDF bombing Palestinian children in revenge for atrocities committed by Hamas? Do we desperately need to see cities in our country turned into anti-Semitic hate filled, terrorist supporting no go areas? The police making no attempt at stopping isis supporting thugs chanting hate in the streets of our country, is a disgrace. It saddens me to watch the gullible progressive liberals who are cheering on these actions oblivious to the long term damage they are doing to the society they are demanding listens to every view, oh the irony!! u do realise islamaphobic attacks have increased aswell since this all kicked off, or is that ok but anti semitic attacks aint, there either both shit or both ok Why ask if it is okay for islamaphobic attacks, where have I given that impression? Going back to my point, the mass protests in which openly supporting isis and other terror organisations are going unchallenged by our police, you have seen this? My point is also about the progressive liberals who are also out on the protests chanting and cheering in some cases terrorists. To their defence, I think they are stupid and unaware, but ignorance is no defence. i see protests supporting palastinians not seen any supporting isis You are not looking thenlooking plenty unlike yourself im not taking my point of view from piers morgan and kelvin mckenzie, u have 70 000 people on the street ur gona get a few arseholes majority of the people no, pretty sure if u had 70 000 people on the street supporting isrel there would be a few arseholes cheering on the idf killing civillians but that wouldnt meen the majority were either Exactly, and I expect them to be arrested not allowed to take over the streets calling for the deaths of people and cheering on terrorists. This country needs to get a grip, and stop allowing this to happen from any side, and those liberal idiots that are blindly supporting terrorists through their ignorance need an education. " unlikle yourself who is blindly supporting one side and buying into the story that the ultra righ goverment who are running Israel are compleatly blame free for wats happening, like i said on another thread old religious nutters on one side and old ultra right nutters on the other side | |||
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"It seems independent pathologists from around the globe have corroborated the stories of human torture and abuse before death. I am happy with the report an verification from multiple pathologists within bias in attendance. Should israel release these images for the world to see the horror. And maybe change their minds on this war and their stances on " standing with Palestine?"" If these independent pathologists have it right then it is confirmation of such a sad event. The stories were doubted and I wish it had turned out to be incorrect but looking increasingly likely to be true. We can all be guilty of jumping to conclusions as was demonstrated in the hospital situation where the thought it might not have been Israel was mocked | |||
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"It seems independent pathologists from around the globe have corroborated the stories of human torture and abuse before death. I am happy with the report an verification from multiple pathologists within bias in attendance. Should israel release these images for the world to see the horror. And maybe change their minds on this war and their stances on " standing with Palestine?" Do we desperately need more people cheering on the IDF bombing Palestinian children in revenge for atrocities committed by Hamas? Do we desperately need to see cities in our country turned into anti-Semitic hate filled, terrorist supporting no go areas? The police making no attempt at stopping isis supporting thugs chanting hate in the streets of our country, is a disgrace. It saddens me to watch the gullible progressive liberals who are cheering on these actions oblivious to the long term damage they are doing to the society they are demanding listens to every view, oh the irony!! u do realise islamaphobic attacks have increased aswell since this all kicked off, or is that ok but anti semitic attacks aint, there either both shit or both ok Why ask if it is okay for islamaphobic attacks, where have I given that impression? Going back to my point, the mass protests in which openly supporting isis and other terror organisations are going unchallenged by our police, you have seen this? My point is also about the progressive liberals who are also out on the protests chanting and cheering in some cases terrorists. To their defence, I think they are stupid and unaware, but ignorance is no defence. i see protests supporting palastinians not seen any supporting isis You are not looking thenlooking plenty unlike yourself im not taking my point of view from piers morgan and kelvin mckenzie, u have 70 000 people on the street ur gona get a few arseholes majority of the people no, pretty sure if u had 70 000 people on the street supporting isrel there would be a few arseholes cheering on the idf killing civillians but that wouldnt meen the majority were either Exactly, and I expect them to be arrested not allowed to take over the streets calling for the deaths of people and cheering on terrorists. This country needs to get a grip, and stop allowing this to happen from any side, and those liberal idiots that are blindly supporting terrorists through their ignorance need an education. unlikle yourself who is blindly supporting one side and buying into the story that the ultra righ goverment who are running Israel are compleatly blame free for wats happening, like i said on another thread old religious nutters on one side and old ultra right nutters on the other side" Do you agree or disagree that terrorist supporters openly chanting their support in the streets of our country should be arrested? Also, I think you are struggling to read sections in my posts that say either side, or any side? Or is it you that is one sided, reading your other posts, I can see it is. | |||
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"It seems independent pathologists from around the globe have corroborated the stories of human torture and abuse before death. I am happy with the report an verification from multiple pathologists within bias in attendance. Should israel release these images for the world to see the horror. And maybe change their minds on this war and their stances on " standing with Palestine?" Do we desperately need more people cheering on the IDF bombing Palestinian children in revenge for atrocities committed by Hamas? Do we desperately need to see cities in our country turned into anti-Semitic hate filled, terrorist supporting no go areas? The police making no attempt at stopping isis supporting thugs chanting hate in the streets of our country, is a disgrace. It saddens me to watch the gullible progressive liberals who are cheering on these actions oblivious to the long term damage they are doing to the society they are demanding listens to every view, oh the irony!! u do realise islamaphobic attacks have increased aswell since this all kicked off, or is that ok but anti semitic attacks aint, there either both shit or both ok Why ask if it is okay for islamaphobic attacks, where have I given that impression? Going back to my point, the mass protests in which openly supporting isis and other terror organisations are going unchallenged by our police, you have seen this? My point is also about the progressive liberals who are also out on the protests chanting and cheering in some cases terrorists. To their defence, I think they are stupid and unaware, but ignorance is no defence. i see protests supporting palastinians not seen any supporting isis You are not looking thenlooking plenty unlike yourself im not taking my point of view from piers morgan and kelvin mckenzie, u have 70 000 people on the street ur gona get a few arseholes majority of the people no, pretty sure if u had 70 000 people on the street supporting isrel there would be a few arseholes cheering on the idf killing civillians but that wouldnt meen the majority were either Exactly, and I expect them to be arrested not allowed to take over the streets calling for the deaths of people and cheering on terrorists. This country needs to get a grip, and stop allowing this to happen from any side, and those liberal idiots that are blindly supporting terrorists through their ignorance need an education. unlikle yourself who is blindly supporting one side and buying into the story that the ultra righ goverment who are running Israel are compleatly blame free for wats happening, like i said on another thread old religious nutters on one side and old ultra right nutters on the other side Do you agree or disagree that terrorist supporters openly chanting their support in the streets of our country should be arrested? Also, I think you are struggling to read sections in my posts that say either side, or any side? Or is it you that is one sided, reading your other posts, I can see it is." we either have the right to protest or we dont, if they are breaking the law they get arrested as has happend over the last week, or perhaps only things you agree with should be allowed to protest, personaly i dont really care whos imaginary friend told them that the land was theres, put the borders back to 1967 and build a big fuck off wall if isreal still get attacked by all means level the gaza strip, but sorry i not gona cheer a country on that steals land then fills it up with there own population | |||
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"It seems independent pathologists from around the globe have corroborated the stories of human torture and abuse before death. I am happy with the report an verification from multiple pathologists within bias in attendance. Should israel release these images for the world to see the horror. And maybe change their minds on this war and their stances on " standing with Palestine?" Do we desperately need more people cheering on the IDF bombing Palestinian children in revenge for atrocities committed by Hamas? Do we desperately need to see cities in our country turned into anti-Semitic hate filled, terrorist supporting no go areas? The police making no attempt at stopping isis supporting thugs chanting hate in the streets of our country, is a disgrace. It saddens me to watch the gullible progressive liberals who are cheering on these actions oblivious to the long term damage they are doing to the society they are demanding listens to every view, oh the irony!! u do realise islamaphobic attacks have increased aswell since this all kicked off, or is that ok but anti semitic attacks aint, there either both shit or both ok Why ask if it is okay for islamaphobic attacks, where have I given that impression? Going back to my point, the mass protests in which openly supporting isis and other terror organisations are going unchallenged by our police, you have seen this? My point is also about the progressive liberals who are also out on the protests chanting and cheering in some cases terrorists. To their defence, I think they are stupid and unaware, but ignorance is no defence. i see protests supporting palastinians not seen any supporting isis You are not looking thenlooking plenty unlike yourself im not taking my point of view from piers morgan and kelvin mckenzie, u have 70 000 people on the street ur gona get a few arseholes majority of the people no, pretty sure if u had 70 000 people on the street supporting isrel there would be a few arseholes cheering on the idf killing civillians but that wouldnt meen the majority were either Exactly, and I expect them to be arrested not allowed to take over the streets calling for the deaths of people and cheering on terrorists. This country needs to get a grip, and stop allowing this to happen from any side, and those liberal idiots that are blindly supporting terrorists through their ignorance need an education. unlikle yourself who is blindly supporting one side and buying into the story that the ultra righ goverment who are running Israel are compleatly blame free for wats happening, like i said on another thread old religious nutters on one side and old ultra right nutters on the other side Do you agree or disagree that terrorist supporters openly chanting their support in the streets of our country should be arrested? Also, I think you are struggling to read sections in my posts that say either side, or any side? Or is it you that is one sided, reading your other posts, I can see it is." ive been called right wing and extreme left on this site so i must be doing something right if i piss off both sides | |||
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"It seems independent pathologists from around the globe have corroborated the stories of human torture and abuse before death. I am happy with the report an verification from multiple pathologists within bias in attendance. Should israel release these images for the world to see the horror. And maybe change their minds on this war and their stances on " standing with Palestine?" Do we desperately need more people cheering on the IDF bombing Palestinian children in revenge for atrocities committed by Hamas? Do we desperately need to see cities in our country turned into anti-Semitic hate filled, terrorist supporting no go areas? The police making no attempt at stopping isis supporting thugs chanting hate in the streets of our country, is a disgrace. It saddens me to watch the gullible progressive liberals who are cheering on these actions oblivious to the long term damage they are doing to the society they are demanding listens to every view, oh the irony!! u do realise islamaphobic attacks have increased aswell since this all kicked off, or is that ok but anti semitic attacks aint, there either both shit or both ok Why ask if it is okay for islamaphobic attacks, where have I given that impression? Going back to my point, the mass protests in which openly supporting isis and other terror organisations are going unchallenged by our police, you have seen this? My point is also about the progressive liberals who are also out on the protests chanting and cheering in some cases terrorists. To their defence, I think they are stupid and unaware, but ignorance is no defence. i see protests supporting palastinians not seen any supporting isis You are not looking thenlooking plenty unlike yourself im not taking my point of view from piers morgan and kelvin mckenzie, u have 70 000 people on the street ur gona get a few arseholes majority of the people no, pretty sure if u had 70 000 people on the street supporting isrel there would be a few arseholes cheering on the idf killing civillians but that wouldnt meen the majority were either Exactly, and I expect them to be arrested not allowed to take over the streets calling for the deaths of people and cheering on terrorists. This country needs to get a grip, and stop allowing this to happen from any side, and those liberal idiots that are blindly supporting terrorists through their ignorance need an education. unlikle yourself who is blindly supporting one side and buying into the story that the ultra righ goverment who are running Israel are compleatly blame free for wats happening, like i said on another thread old religious nutters on one side and old ultra right nutters on the other side Do you agree or disagree that terrorist supporters openly chanting their support in the streets of our country should be arrested? Also, I think you are struggling to read sections in my posts that say either side, or any side? Or is it you that is one sided, reading your other posts, I can see it is.we either have the right to protest or we dont, if they are breaking the law they get arrested as has happend over the last week, or perhaps only things you agree with should be allowed to protest, personaly i dont really care whos imaginary friend told them that the land was theres, put the borders back to 1967 and build a big fuck off wall if isreal still get attacked by all means level the gaza strip, but sorry i not gona cheer a country on that steals land then fills it up with there own population" protest or stir up hate, 2 very different things. Not in your eyes though....  | |||
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"It seems independent pathologists from around the globe have corroborated the stories of human torture and abuse before death. I am happy with the report an verification from multiple pathologists within bias in attendance. Should israel release these images for the world to see the horror. And maybe change their minds on this war and their stances on " standing with Palestine?" Do we desperately need more people cheering on the IDF bombing Palestinian children in revenge for atrocities committed by Hamas? Do we desperately need to see cities in our country turned into anti-Semitic hate filled, terrorist supporting no go areas? The police making no attempt at stopping isis supporting thugs chanting hate in the streets of our country, is a disgrace. It saddens me to watch the gullible progressive liberals who are cheering on these actions oblivious to the long term damage they are doing to the society they are demanding listens to every view, oh the irony!! u do realise islamaphobic attacks have increased aswell since this all kicked off, or is that ok but anti semitic attacks aint, there either both shit or both ok Why ask if it is okay for islamaphobic attacks, where have I given that impression? Going back to my point, the mass protests in which openly supporting isis and other terror organisations are going unchallenged by our police, you have seen this? My point is also about the progressive liberals who are also out on the protests chanting and cheering in some cases terrorists. To their defence, I think they are stupid and unaware, but ignorance is no defence. i see protests supporting palastinians not seen any supporting isis You are not looking thenlooking plenty unlike yourself im not taking my point of view from piers morgan and kelvin mckenzie, u have 70 000 people on the street ur gona get a few arseholes majority of the people no, pretty sure if u had 70 000 people on the street supporting isrel there would be a few arseholes cheering on the idf killing civillians but that wouldnt meen the majority were either Exactly, and I expect them to be arrested not allowed to take over the streets calling for the deaths of people and cheering on terrorists. This country needs to get a grip, and stop allowing this to happen from any side, and those liberal idiots that are blindly supporting terrorists through their ignorance need an education. unlikle yourself who is blindly supporting one side and buying into the story that the ultra righ goverment who are running Israel are compleatly blame free for wats happening, like i said on another thread old religious nutters on one side and old ultra right nutters on the other side Do you agree or disagree that terrorist supporters openly chanting their support in the streets of our country should be arrested? Also, I think you are struggling to read sections in my posts that say either side, or any side? Or is it you that is one sided, reading your other posts, I can see it is.we either have the right to protest or we dont, if they are breaking the law they get arrested as has happend over the last week, or perhaps only things you agree with should be allowed to protest, personaly i dont really care whos imaginary friend told them that the land was theres, put the borders back to 1967 and build a big fuck off wall if isreal still get attacked by all means level the gaza strip, but sorry i not gona cheer a country on that steals land then fills it up with there own population protest or stir up hate, 2 very different things. Not in your eyes though.... "what were the chants ? | |||
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"It seems independent pathologists from around the globe have corroborated the stories of human torture and abuse before death. I am happy with the report an verification from multiple pathologists within bias in attendance. Should israel release these images for the world to see the horror. And maybe change their minds on this war and their stances on " standing with Palestine?" Do we desperately need more people cheering on the IDF bombing Palestinian children in revenge for atrocities committed by Hamas? Do we desperately need to see cities in our country turned into anti-Semitic hate filled, terrorist supporting no go areas? The police making no attempt at stopping isis supporting thugs chanting hate in the streets of our country, is a disgrace. It saddens me to watch the gullible progressive liberals who are cheering on these actions oblivious to the long term damage they are doing to the society they are demanding listens to every view, oh the irony!! u do realise islamaphobic attacks have increased aswell since this all kicked off, or is that ok but anti semitic attacks aint, there either both shit or both ok Why ask if it is okay for islamaphobic attacks, where have I given that impression? Going back to my point, the mass protests in which openly supporting isis and other terror organisations are going unchallenged by our police, you have seen this? My point is also about the progressive liberals who are also out on the protests chanting and cheering in some cases terrorists. To their defence, I think they are stupid and unaware, but ignorance is no defence. i see protests supporting palastinians not seen any supporting isis You are not looking thenlooking plenty unlike yourself im not taking my point of view from piers morgan and kelvin mckenzie, u have 70 000 people on the street ur gona get a few arseholes majority of the people no, pretty sure if u had 70 000 people on the street supporting isrel there would be a few arseholes cheering on the idf killing civillians but that wouldnt meen the majority were either Exactly, and I expect them to be arrested not allowed to take over the streets calling for the deaths of people and cheering on terrorists. This country needs to get a grip, and stop allowing this to happen from any side, and those liberal idiots that are blindly supporting terrorists through their ignorance need an education. unlikle yourself who is blindly supporting one side and buying into the story that the ultra righ goverment who are running Israel are compleatly blame free for wats happening, like i said on another thread old religious nutters on one side and old ultra right nutters on the other side Do you agree or disagree that terrorist supporters openly chanting their support in the streets of our country should be arrested? Also, I think you are struggling to read sections in my posts that say either side, or any side? Or is it you that is one sided, reading your other posts, I can see it is.we either have the right to protest or we dont, if they are breaking the law they get arrested as has happend over the last week, or perhaps only things you agree with should be allowed to protest, personaly i dont really care whos imaginary friend told them that the land was theres, put the borders back to 1967 and build a big fuck off wall if isreal still get attacked by all means level the gaza strip, but sorry i not gona cheer a country on that steals land then fills it up with there own population protest or stir up hate, 2 very different things. Not in your eyes though.... "Enticing hatred or violence I would assume is illegal so those doing it should be arrested. Trouble now is the police need to treat a pro Israeli march in the same way. If they allowed one side to say such things then they must allow the other side to do the same. | |||
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"By a lot peoples definition of terrorist anyone who uses violence to get a political outcome are terrorists. So by that definition the USA is founded by terrorists, not the founding fathers as they would like to call them." Before that the terrorists took it from the so called savages. | |||
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"By a lot peoples definition of terrorist anyone who uses violence to get a political outcome are terrorists. So by that definition the USA is founded by terrorists, not the founding fathers as they would like to call them. Before that the terrorists took it from the so called savages." Two words: British Empire | |||
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"By a lot peoples definition of terrorist anyone who uses violence to get a political outcome are terrorists. So by that definition the USA is founded by terrorists, not the founding fathers as they would like to call them. Before that the terrorists took it from the so called savages. Two words: British Empire" I know about the British Empire. But my point still stands, anyone using violence against what they consider a outside occupation force is a terrorist. So the Americans, the Indians, the Irish, French resistance etc were all terrorists. Not glorified freedom fighters. | |||
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"The problem is for too many people any criticism of the Israeli government is called being anti semetic…. Its an easy way to shut down any conversation You can’t tell me this hasn’t been about collective punishment… in which case why would you blockade water, food,fuel and electricity Even now with the minimal aid going in (20 trucks yesterday..17 trucks today… the un aid agencies say you need in the region of 200 trucks a day) Israel is still not allowing in any fuel at all… not even to the un aid agencies! If you don’t think this is about collective punishment lets look at the West Bank rather than Gaza West Bank.. which is governed by the Palestinian authority (not Hamas) … since October 7 (the day of the Hamas atrocities) 1 Israeli soldier has killed.. 80 civilians have been killed by the Israeli authorities…. Hundreds of injuries, movement of travel severely restricted so Palestinians cannot travel from town to town in the West Bank via checkpoints manned by Israeli military " If West Bank is governed Palestinians, why do they have Israeli checkpoints? Is West Bank not its own state? I know, I'm ignorant of these matters. | |||
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"The problem is for too many people any criticism of the Israeli government is called being anti semetic…. Its an easy way to shut down any conversation You can’t tell me this hasn’t been about collective punishment… in which case why would you blockade water, food,fuel and electricity Even now with the minimal aid going in (20 trucks yesterday..17 trucks today… the un aid agencies say you need in the region of 200 trucks a day) Israel is still not allowing in any fuel at all… not even to the un aid agencies! If you don’t think this is about collective punishment lets look at the West Bank rather than Gaza West Bank.. which is governed by the Palestinian authority (not Hamas) … since October 7 (the day of the Hamas atrocities) 1 Israeli soldier has killed.. 80 civilians have been killed by the Israeli authorities…. Hundreds of injuries, movement of travel severely restricted so Palestinians cannot travel from town to town in the West Bank via checkpoints manned by Israeli military If West Bank is governed Palestinians, why do they have Israeli checkpoints? Is West Bank not its own state? I know, I'm ignorant of these matters." Belligerent occupation | |||
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"The problem is for too many people any criticism of the Israeli government is called being anti semetic…. Its an easy way to shut down any conversation You can’t tell me this hasn’t been about collective punishment… in which case why would you blockade water, food,fuel and electricity Even now with the minimal aid going in (20 trucks yesterday..17 trucks today… the un aid agencies say you need in the region of 200 trucks a day) Israel is still not allowing in any fuel at all… not even to the un aid agencies! If you don’t think this is about collective punishment lets look at the West Bank rather than Gaza West Bank.. which is governed by the Palestinian authority (not Hamas) … since October 7 (the day of the Hamas atrocities) 1 Israeli soldier has killed.. 80 civilians have been killed by the Israeli authorities…. Hundreds of injuries, movement of travel severely restricted so Palestinians cannot travel from town to town in the West Bank via checkpoints manned by Israeli military If West Bank is governed Palestinians, why do they have Israeli checkpoints? Is West Bank not its own state? I know, I'm ignorant of these matters. Belligerent occupation" Would Northern Ireland be a direct comparison? | |||
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"It seems independent pathologists from around the globe have corroborated the stories of human torture and abuse before death. I am happy with the report an verification from multiple pathologists within bias in attendance. Should israel release these images for the world to see the horror. And maybe change their minds on this war and their stances on " standing with Palestine?"" Not really seen much of this on MSM so where has this been reported? Unless BBC Eorld News are slow on the uptake. But tbh in a war such as this “Verified” is a very liberal term & could mean many things from. “We verify we have seen beheaded &/or charred bodies” Which two weeks after the event is next to worthless. To “WE verified the names of the victims, DNA tested them against live relatives.Located records to prove they were at the location reported at the time of attack, Autopsied them & confirm injuries are two weeks old & match data received at the time”. One is incontrovertible verification, the other is not. S | |||
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"The problem is for too many people any criticism of the Israeli government is called being anti semetic…. Its an easy way to shut down any conversation You can’t tell me this hasn’t been about collective punishment… in which case why would you blockade water, food,fuel and electricity Even now with the minimal aid going in (20 trucks yesterday..17 trucks today… the un aid agencies say you need in the region of 200 trucks a day) Israel is still not allowing in any fuel at all… not even to the un aid agencies! If you don’t think this is about collective punishment lets look at the West Bank rather than Gaza West Bank.. which is governed by the Palestinian authority (not Hamas) … since October 7 (the day of the Hamas atrocities) 1 Israeli soldier has killed.. 80 civilians have been killed by the Israeli authorities…. Hundreds of injuries, movement of travel severely restricted so Palestinians cannot travel from town to town in the West Bank via checkpoints manned by Israeli military If West Bank is governed Palestinians, why do they have Israeli checkpoints? Is West Bank not its own state? I know, I'm ignorant of these matters. Belligerent occupation Would Northern Ireland be a direct comparison?" No because N. Ireland was already sovereign territory. More US in Iraq or Post 1945 occupation of Germany | |||
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"It seems independent pathologists from around the globe have corroborated the stories of human torture and abuse before death. I am happy with the report an verification from multiple pathologists within bias in attendance. Should israel release these images for the world to see the horror. And maybe change their minds on this war and their stances on " standing with Palestine?" Do we desperately need more people cheering on the IDF bombing Palestinian children in revenge for atrocities committed by Hamas? Do we desperately need to see cities in our country turned into anti-Semitic hate filled, terrorist supporting no go areas? The police making no attempt at stopping isis supporting thugs chanting hate in the streets of our country, is a disgrace. It saddens me to watch the gullible progressive liberals who are cheering on these actions oblivious to the long term damage they are doing to the society they are demanding listens to every view, oh the irony!! u do realise islamaphobic attacks have increased aswell since this all kicked off, or is that ok but anti semitic attacks aint, there either both shit or both ok Why ask if it is okay for islamaphobic attacks, where have I given that impression? Going back to my point, the mass protests in which openly supporting isis and other terror organisations are going unchallenged by our police, you have seen this? My point is also about the progressive liberals who are also out on the protests chanting and cheering in some cases terrorists. To their defence, I think they are stupid and unaware, but ignorance is no defence. i see protests supporting palastinians not seen any supporting isis You are not looking thenlooking plenty unlike yourself im not taking my point of view from piers morgan and kelvin mckenzie, u have 70 000 people on the street ur gona get a few arseholes majority of the people no, pretty sure if u had 70 000 people on the street supporting isrel there would be a few arseholes cheering on the idf killing civillians but that wouldnt meen the majority were either Exactly, and I expect them to be arrested not allowed to take over the streets calling for the deaths of people and cheering on terrorists. This country needs to get a grip, and stop allowing this to happen from any side, and those liberal idiots that are blindly supporting terrorists through their ignorance need an education. unlikle yourself who is blindly supporting one side and buying into the story that the ultra righ goverment who are running Israel are compleatly blame free for wats happening, like i said on another thread old religious nutters on one side and old ultra right nutters on the other side Do you agree or disagree that terrorist supporters openly chanting their support in the streets of our country should be arrested? Also, I think you are struggling to read sections in my posts that say either side, or any side? Or is it you that is one sided, reading your other posts, I can see it is.we either have the right to protest or we dont, if they are breaking the law they get arrested as has happend over the last week, or perhaps only things you agree with should be allowed to protest, personaly i dont really care whos imaginary friend told them that the land was theres, put the borders back to 1967 and build a big fuck off wall if isreal still get attacked by all means level the gaza strip, but sorry i not gona cheer a country on that steals land then fills it up with there own population protest or stir up hate, 2 very different things. Not in your eyes though.... what were the chants ?"I'm not going to repeat here, but you can look into it and see what I'm talking about, if you are genuinely interested. | |||
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"It seems independent pathologists from around the globe have corroborated the stories of human torture and abuse before death. I am happy with the report an verification from multiple pathologists within bias in attendance. Should israel release these images for the world to see the horror. And maybe change their minds on this war and their stances on " standing with Palestine?" Do we desperately need more people cheering on the IDF bombing Palestinian children in revenge for atrocities committed by Hamas? Do we desperately need to see cities in our country turned into anti-Semitic hate filled, terrorist supporting no go areas? The police making no attempt at stopping isis supporting thugs chanting hate in the streets of our country, is a disgrace. It saddens me to watch the gullible progressive liberals who are cheering on these actions oblivious to the long term damage they are doing to the society they are demanding listens to every view, oh the irony!! u do realise islamaphobic attacks have increased aswell since this all kicked off, or is that ok but anti semitic attacks aint, there either both shit or both ok Why ask if it is okay for islamaphobic attacks, where have I given that impression? Going back to my point, the mass protests in which openly supporting isis and other terror organisations are going unchallenged by our police, you have seen this? My point is also about the progressive liberals who are also out on the protests chanting and cheering in some cases terrorists. To their defence, I think they are stupid and unaware, but ignorance is no defence. i see protests supporting palastinians not seen any supporting isis You are not looking thenlooking plenty unlike yourself im not taking my point of view from piers morgan and kelvin mckenzie, u have 70 000 people on the street ur gona get a few arseholes majority of the people no, pretty sure if u had 70 000 people on the street supporting isrel there would be a few arseholes cheering on the idf killing civillians but that wouldnt meen the majority were either Exactly, and I expect them to be arrested not allowed to take over the streets calling for the deaths of people and cheering on terrorists. This country needs to get a grip, and stop allowing this to happen from any side, and those liberal idiots that are blindly supporting terrorists through their ignorance need an education. unlikle yourself who is blindly supporting one side and buying into the story that the ultra righ goverment who are running Israel are compleatly blame free for wats happening, like i said on another thread old religious nutters on one side and old ultra right nutters on the other side Do you agree or disagree that terrorist supporters openly chanting their support in the streets of our country should be arrested? Also, I think you are struggling to read sections in my posts that say either side, or any side? Or is it you that is one sided, reading your other posts, I can see it is.we either have the right to protest or we dont, if they are breaking the law they get arrested as has happend over the last week, or perhaps only things you agree with should be allowed to protest, personaly i dont really care whos imaginary friend told them that the land was theres, put the borders back to 1967 and build a big fuck off wall if isreal still get attacked by all means level the gaza strip, but sorry i not gona cheer a country on that steals land then fills it up with there own population protest or stir up hate, 2 very different things. Not in your eyes though.... what were the chants ?
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"The problem is for too many people any criticism of the Israeli government is called being anti semetic…. Its an easy way to shut down any conversation You can’t tell me this hasn’t been about collective punishment… in which case why would you blockade water, food,fuel and electricity Even now with the minimal aid going in (20 trucks yesterday..17 trucks today… the un aid agencies say you need in the region of 200 trucks a day) Israel is still not allowing in any fuel at all… not even to the un aid agencies! If you don’t think this is about collective punishment lets look at the West Bank rather than Gaza West Bank.. which is governed by the Palestinian authority (not Hamas) … since October 7 (the day of the Hamas atrocities) 1 Israeli soldier has killed.. 80 civilians have been killed by the Israeli authorities…. Hundreds of injuries, movement of travel severely restricted so Palestinians cannot travel from town to town in the West Bank via checkpoints manned by Israeli military " Criticism of the Israeli government is not anti semitism,or a 'shut down'.Gaza is governed by Hamas because there is no political opposition.Anyone daring to offer a political opposition to Hamas is 'dealt with' just like Mugabe and others dealt with opposition to them. | |||
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"The problem is for too many people any criticism of the Israeli government is called being anti semetic…. Its an easy way to shut down any conversation You can’t tell me this hasn’t been about collective punishment… in which case why would you blockade water, food,fuel and electricity Even now with the minimal aid going in (20 trucks yesterday..17 trucks today… the un aid agencies say you need in the region of 200 trucks a day) Israel is still not allowing in any fuel at all… not even to the un aid agencies! If you don’t think this is about collective punishment lets look at the West Bank rather than Gaza West Bank.. which is governed by the Palestinian authority (not Hamas) … since October 7 (the day of the Hamas atrocities) 1 Israeli soldier has killed.. 80 civilians have been killed by the Israeli authorities…. Hundreds of injuries, movement of travel severely restricted so Palestinians cannot travel from town to town in the West Bank via checkpoints manned by Israeli military Criticism of the Israeli government is not anti semitism,or a 'shut down'.Gaza is governed by Hamas because there is no political opposition.Anyone daring to offer a political opposition to Hamas is 'dealt with' just like Mugabe and others dealt with opposition to them." Criticism of Israel is anti-semitic according to the uk government https://www.gov.uk/government/speeches/a-definition-of-antisemitism In addition, such manifestations could also target the state of Israel, | |||
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"The problem is for too many people any criticism of the Israeli government is called being anti semetic…. Its an easy way to shut down any conversation You can’t tell me this hasn’t been about collective punishment… in which case why would you blockade water, food,fuel and electricity Even now with the minimal aid going in (20 trucks yesterday..17 trucks today… the un aid agencies say you need in the region of 200 trucks a day) Israel is still not allowing in any fuel at all… not even to the un aid agencies! If you don’t think this is about collective punishment lets look at the West Bank rather than Gaza West Bank.. which is governed by the Palestinian authority (not Hamas) … since October 7 (the day of the Hamas atrocities) 1 Israeli soldier has killed.. 80 civilians have been killed by the Israeli authorities…. Hundreds of injuries, movement of travel severely restricted so Palestinians cannot travel from town to town in the West Bank via checkpoints manned by Israeli military Criticism of the Israeli government is not anti semitism,or a 'shut down'.Gaza is governed by Hamas because there is no political opposition.Anyone daring to offer a political opposition to Hamas is 'dealt with' just like Mugabe and others dealt with opposition to them. Criticism of Israel is anti-semitic according to the uk government https://www.gov.uk/government/speeches/a-definition-of-antisemitism In addition, such manifestations could also target the state of Israel, " They are already targeted. A little late in that analysis. | |||
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"Criticism of Israel is anti-semitic according to the uk government https://www.gov.uk/government/speeches/a-definition-of-antisemitism In addition, such manifestations could also target the state of Israel" You linked an entire article, which includes: However, criticism of Israel similar to that leveled against any other country cannot be regarded as antisemitic. Antisemitic acts are criminal when they are so defined by law (for example, denial of the Holocaust or distribution of antisemitic materials in some countries). To paraphrase the article that you linked: In some cases, criticism of Israel can be antisemitic, specifically when singling it out for criticism in a way that is inconsistent, and with standards applied to no other country. But fair criticism in and of itself is explicitly excluded from being regarded as anti-Semitic. | |||
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"It's a fantastic preferable scenario.No protests from either side. No animosity twords anyone in your country. Just complete annihilation in the Middleast. We can't blame our governments then. It stopped the protests and everyone would have a clear conscious. No side supported they are on their own. That's the logical choice by either side of the coin. Middleast would be wiped out no more worries." So sit down, say “The rest of the world have had enough of this shit. Israel you will give us your nukes, How many tanks, missiles & soldiers you have. Palestine we will give you weapons to match & you can borrow the troops or train your own over the next six months. The area of XYZ is the field of play. The rest of the world will be umpire, last man standing takes all losers relocate & do not come back because obviously because you lost your God was not “On your side or simply doesn’t exist” No interference from outside parties will be tolerated & will be dealt with by “Extreme Prejudice”. Take it or leave it & by leave it we mean we will just end you all & be done with it” Sounds like a fairer option to me S | |||
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"So sit down, say “The rest of the world have had enough of this shit. Israel you will give us your nukes, How many tanks, missiles & soldiers you have. Palestine we will give you weapons to match & you can borrow the troops or train your own over the next six months. The area of XYZ is the field of play. The rest of the world will be umpire, last man standing takes all losers relocate & do not come back because obviously because you lost your God was not “On your side or simply doesn’t exist” No interference from outside parties will be tolerated & will be dealt with by “Extreme Prejudice”. Take it or leave it & by leave it we mean we will just end you all & be done with it” Sounds like a fairer option to me S" Isn't that am approximation of what happened in 1948? And then later on a couple of times? Hmm... | |||
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"The war is more complicated and deep rooted than most people think. They have to go through the process of re examining their own truths to reach some kind of resolution. Two words peace and understanding. Unfortunately it will take alot of blood shed to get there. Divine intervention would help. The recent events could be the reason for God to do his thing. " Isn't a misplaced belief in 'God' the problem in the first place? So hard to see it is the solution. | |||
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"The war is more complicated and deep rooted than most people think. They have to go through the process of re examining their own truths to reach some kind of resolution. Two words peace and understanding. Unfortunately it will take alot of blood shed to get there. Divine intervention would help. The recent events could be the reason for God to do his thing. Isn't a misplaced belief in 'God' the problem in the first place? So hard to see it is the solution."  | |||
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"Let’s face it, if the middle east wasn’t the world’s main supply of oil, and if Israel wasn’t in close proximity to the oil producers, then most of the world wouldn’t give a shit." | |||
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"So sit down, say “The rest of the world have had enough of this shit. Israel you will give us your nukes, How many tanks, missiles & soldiers you have. Palestine we will give you weapons to match & you can borrow the troops or train your own over the next six months. The area of XYZ is the field of play. The rest of the world will be umpire, last man standing takes all losers relocate & do not come back because obviously because you lost your God was not “On your side or simply doesn’t exist” No interference from outside parties will be tolerated & will be dealt with by “Extreme Prejudice”. Take it or leave it & by leave it we mean we will just end you all & be done with it” Sounds like a fairer option to me S Isn't that am approximation of what happened in 1948? And then later on a couple of times? Hmm..." Even in 48 the balance of power was influenced by forces outside the area, otherwise how did 30% of the Palestinian population (The Jewish segment) take 70% of the land? S | |||
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"So sit down, say “The rest of the world have had enough of this shit. Israel you will give us your nukes, How many tanks, missiles & soldiers you have. Palestine we will give you weapons to match & you can borrow the troops or train your own over the next six months. The area of XYZ is the field of play. The rest of the world will be umpire, last man standing takes all losers relocate & do not come back because obviously because you lost your God was not “On your side or simply doesn’t exist” No interference from outside parties will be tolerated & will be dealt with by “Extreme Prejudice”. Take it or leave it & by leave it we mean we will just end you all & be done with it” Sounds like a fairer option to me S Isn't that am approximation of what happened in 1948? And then later on a couple of times? Hmm... Even in 48 the balance of power was influenced by forces outside the area, otherwise how did 30% of the Palestinian population (The Jewish segment) take 70% of the land? S" "otherwise how did 30% of the Palestinian population (The Jewish segment) take 70% of the land?" By that logic, you would never accept any outcome other than a total war of attrition with one person left standing. (1) a perfectly matched "war to the death" is the least kind war. (2) the bulk of the "outside influence" was from the surrounding Arab states. | |||
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"It seems independent pathologists from around the globe have corroborated the stories of human torture and abuse before death. I am happy with the report an verification from multiple pathologists within bias in attendance. Should israel release these images for the world to see the horror. And maybe change their minds on this war and their stances on " standing with Palestine?" Do we desperately need more people cheering on the IDF bombing Palestinian children in revenge for atrocities committed by Hamas? Do we desperately need to see cities in our country turned into anti-Semitic hate filled, terrorist supporting no go areas? The police making no attempt at stopping isis supporting thugs chanting hate in the streets of our country, is a disgrace. It saddens me to watch the gullible progressive liberals who are cheering on these actions oblivious to the long term damage they are doing to the society they are demanding listens to every view, oh the irony!! u do realise islamaphobic attacks have increased aswell since this all kicked off, or is that ok but anti semitic attacks aint, there either both shit or both ok Why ask if it is okay for islamaphobic attacks, where have I given that impression? Going back to my point, the mass protests in which openly supporting isis and other terror organisations are going unchallenged by our police, you have seen this? My point is also about the progressive liberals who are also out on the protests chanting and cheering in some cases terrorists. To their defence, I think they are stupid and unaware, but ignorance is no defence. i see protests supporting palastinians not seen any supporting isis You are not looking thenlooking plenty unlike yourself im not taking my point of view from piers morgan and kelvin mckenzie, u have 70 000 people on the street ur gona get a few arseholes majority of the people no, pretty sure if u had 70 000 people on the street supporting isrel there would be a few arseholes cheering on the idf killing civillians but that wouldnt meen the majority were either Exactly, and I expect them to be arrested not allowed to take over the streets calling for the deaths of people and cheering on terrorists. This country needs to get a grip, and stop allowing this to happen from any side, and those liberal idiots that are blindly supporting terrorists through their ignorance need an education. unlikle yourself who is blindly supporting one side and buying into the story that the ultra righ goverment who are running Israel are compleatly blame free for wats happening, like i said on another thread old religious nutters on one side and old ultra right nutters on the other side Do you agree or disagree that terrorist supporters openly chanting their support in the streets of our country should be arrested? Also, I think you are struggling to read sections in my posts that say either side, or any side? Or is it you that is one sided, reading your other posts, I can see it is.we either have the right to protest or we dont, if they are breaking the law they get arrested as has happend over the last week, or perhaps only things you agree with should be allowed to protest, personaly i dont really care whos imaginary friend told them that the land was theres, put the borders back to 1967 and build a big fuck off wall if isreal still get attacked by all means level the gaza strip, but sorry i not gona cheer a country on that steals land then fills it up with there own population protest or stir up hate, 2 very different things. Not in your eyes though.... what were the chants ?
I'm not going to repeat here, but you can look into it and see what I'm talking about, if you are genuinely interested.
I'm guessing its more than "from the river to the sea" then. Which I have also seen get ppl up in arms. "Looks like the Met have retrospectively policed the terrorist hate speaker, although a lot more need to be dealt with, 1 is a token effort... | |||
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"Let’s face it, if the middle east wasn’t the world’s main supply of oil, and if Israel wasn’t in close proximity to the oil producers, then most of the world wouldn’t give a shit." Yep that's my thinking, got to protect that petrodollar. There are countries who economy depends on oil production. Remove the oil and their economy would take a massive hit. | |||
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"It seems independent pathologists from around the globe have corroborated the stories of human torture and abuse before death. I am happy with the report an verification from multiple pathologists within bias in attendance. Should israel release these images for the world to see the horror. And maybe change their minds on this war and their stances on " standing with Palestine?" Do we desperately need more people cheering on the IDF bombing Palestinian children in revenge for atrocities committed by Hamas? Do we desperately need to see cities in our country turned into anti-Semitic hate filled, terrorist supporting no go areas? The police making no attempt at stopping isis supporting thugs chanting hate in the streets of our country, is a disgrace. It saddens me to watch the gullible progressive liberals who are cheering on these actions oblivious to the long term damage they are doing to the society they are demanding listens to every view, oh the irony!! u do realise islamaphobic attacks have increased aswell since this all kicked off, or is that ok but anti semitic attacks aint, there either both shit or both ok Why ask if it is okay for islamaphobic attacks, where have I given that impression? Going back to my point, the mass protests in which openly supporting isis and other terror organisations are going unchallenged by our police, you have seen this? My point is also about the progressive liberals who are also out on the protests chanting and cheering in some cases terrorists. To their defence, I think they are stupid and unaware, but ignorance is no defence. i see protests supporting palastinians not seen any supporting isis You are not looking thenlooking plenty unlike yourself im not taking my point of view from piers morgan and kelvin mckenzie, u have 70 000 people on the street ur gona get a few arseholes majority of the people no, pretty sure if u had 70 000 people on the street supporting isrel there would be a few arseholes cheering on the idf killing civillians but that wouldnt meen the majority were either Exactly, and I expect them to be arrested not allowed to take over the streets calling for the deaths of people and cheering on terrorists. This country needs to get a grip, and stop allowing this to happen from any side, and those liberal idiots that are blindly supporting terrorists through their ignorance need an education. unlikle yourself who is blindly supporting one side and buying into the story that the ultra righ goverment who are running Israel are compleatly blame free for wats happening, like i said on another thread old religious nutters on one side and old ultra right nutters on the other side Do you agree or disagree that terrorist supporters openly chanting their support in the streets of our country should be arrested? Also, I think you are struggling to read sections in my posts that say either side, or any side? Or is it you that is one sided, reading your other posts, I can see it is.we either have the right to protest or we dont, if they are breaking the law they get arrested as has happend over the last week, or perhaps only things you agree with should be allowed to protest, personaly i dont really care whos imaginary friend told them that the land was theres, put the borders back to 1967 and build a big fuck off wall if isreal still get attacked by all means level the gaza strip, but sorry i not gona cheer a country on that steals land then fills it up with there own population protest or stir up hate, 2 very different things. Not in your eyes though.... what were the chants ?
I'm not going to repeat here, but you can look into it and see what I'm talking about, if you are genuinely interested.
I'm guessing its more than "from the river to the sea" then. Which I have also seen get ppl up in arms.
Looks like the Met have retrospectively policed the terrorist hate speaker, although a lot more need to be dealt with, 1 is a token effort... "My government is not going to tell me what I should think and say no way. If I hear something I do not like I look it up and get to know the reasons why people are saying things I do not agree with, it doesn't mean I will eventually agree far from it but now I have an understanding of why. What I do not agree with is to make laws to silence critics, to inprision them, hurt them financially or just plan cancel them. That is a rocky road there's a name for it but I cannot think what that word is. | |||
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"It seems independent pathologists from around the globe have corroborated the stories of human torture and abuse before death. I am happy with the report an verification from multiple pathologists within bias in attendance. Should israel release these images for the world to see the horror. And maybe change their minds on this war and their stances on " standing with Palestine?" Do we desperately need more people cheering on the IDF bombing Palestinian children in revenge for atrocities committed by Hamas? Do we desperately need to see cities in our country turned into anti-Semitic hate filled, terrorist supporting no go areas? The police making no attempt at stopping isis supporting thugs chanting hate in the streets of our country, is a disgrace. It saddens me to watch the gullible progressive liberals who are cheering on these actions oblivious to the long term damage they are doing to the society they are demanding listens to every view, oh the irony!! u do realise islamaphobic attacks have increased aswell since this all kicked off, or is that ok but anti semitic attacks aint, there either both shit or both ok Why ask if it is okay for islamaphobic attacks, where have I given that impression? Going back to my point, the mass protests in which openly supporting isis and other terror organisations are going unchallenged by our police, you have seen this? My point is also about the progressive liberals who are also out on the protests chanting and cheering in some cases terrorists. To their defence, I think they are stupid and unaware, but ignorance is no defence. i see protests supporting palastinians not seen any supporting isis You are not looking thenlooking plenty unlike yourself im not taking my point of view from piers morgan and kelvin mckenzie, u have 70 000 people on the street ur gona get a few arseholes majority of the people no, pretty sure if u had 70 000 people on the street supporting isrel there would be a few arseholes cheering on the idf killing civillians but that wouldnt meen the majority were either Exactly, and I expect them to be arrested not allowed to take over the streets calling for the deaths of people and cheering on terrorists. This country needs to get a grip, and stop allowing this to happen from any side, and those liberal idiots that are blindly supporting terrorists through their ignorance need an education. unlikle yourself who is blindly supporting one side and buying into the story that the ultra righ goverment who are running Israel are compleatly blame free for wats happening, like i said on another thread old religious nutters on one side and old ultra right nutters on the other side Do you agree or disagree that terrorist supporters openly chanting their support in the streets of our country should be arrested? Also, I think you are struggling to read sections in my posts that say either side, or any side? Or is it you that is one sided, reading your other posts, I can see it is.we either have the right to protest or we dont, if they are breaking the law they get arrested as has happend over the last week, or perhaps only things you agree with should be allowed to protest, personaly i dont really care whos imaginary friend told them that the land was theres, put the borders back to 1967 and build a big fuck off wall if isreal still get attacked by all means level the gaza strip, but sorry i not gona cheer a country on that steals land then fills it up with there own population protest or stir up hate, 2 very different things. Not in your eyes though.... what were the chants ?
I'm not going to repeat here, but you can look into it and see what I'm talking about, if you are genuinely interested.
I'm guessing its more than "from the river to the sea" then. Which I have also seen get ppl up in arms.
Looks like the Met have retrospectively policed the terrorist hate speaker, although a lot more need to be dealt with, 1 is a token effort...
My government is not going to tell me what I should think and say no way.
If I hear something I do not like I look it up and get to know the reasons why people are saying things I do not agree with, it doesn't mean I will eventually agree far from it but now I have an understanding of why.
What I do not agree with is to make laws to silence critics, to inprision them, hurt them financially or just plan cancel them.
That is a rocky road there's a name for it but I cannot think what that word is."Luckily for the rest of us we live in a democracy and the majority decide what is right and wrong, not individuals. | |||
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"The irony of this Home Secretary asking the head of the Met about the forces response to what was being said albeit by a minority at the march on Saturday some two years after this Government received his then review and report into hate speech etc where he told them there is a 'gaping chasm' in the current legislation which allows some to spout hate speech freely is possibly lost on her.. " I think the real issue is how inept the Met looked during those episodes! They looked on and were frankly an embarrassment. Braverman will not take kindly to the Met looking so indecisive and weak on her shift, Rowley is going to have sore backside today... | |||
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"The irony of this Home Secretary asking the head of the Met about the forces response to what was being said albeit by a minority at the march on Saturday some two years after this Government received his then review and report into hate speech etc where he told them there is a 'gaping chasm' in the current legislation which allows some to spout hate speech freely is possibly lost on her.. I think the real issue is how inept the Met looked during those episodes! They looked on and were frankly an embarrassment. Braverman will not take kindly to the Met looking so indecisive and weak on her shift, Rowley is going to have sore backside today... " It might be an idea to look at what the word jihad actually means, tbh my initial thoughts were it only means holy war or struggle but it has several different meanings apparently.. Therein lies the rub when an arrest for what an officer perceived is different than what the person later says they meant.. It's a grey area but the current legislation is not fit for purpose and or is too full of loopholes which the police are damned if they do and damned if they don't.. I have my own opinion as do you and tbh I share the view that some of the scrotes chanting it meant it to be offensive etc but that's not how the law works.. If the police are weak it's because they have no back up because the hate speech hadn't been clamped down upon under statute which is the only way to do things correctly.. | |||
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"It seems independent pathologists from around the globe have corroborated the stories of human torture and abuse before death. I am happy with the report an verification from multiple pathologists within bias in attendance. Should israel release these images for the world to see the horror. And maybe change their minds on this war and their stances on " standing with Palestine?" Do we desperately need more people cheering on the IDF bombing Palestinian children in revenge for atrocities committed by Hamas? Do we desperately need to see cities in our country turned into anti-Semitic hate filled, terrorist supporting no go areas? The police making no attempt at stopping isis supporting thugs chanting hate in the streets of our country, is a disgrace. It saddens me to watch the gullible progressive liberals who are cheering on these actions oblivious to the long term damage they are doing to the society they are demanding listens to every view, oh the irony!! u do realise islamaphobic attacks have increased aswell since this all kicked off, or is that ok but anti semitic attacks aint, there either both shit or both ok Why ask if it is okay for islamaphobic attacks, where have I given that impression? Going back to my point, the mass protests in which openly supporting isis and other terror organisations are going unchallenged by our police, you have seen this? My point is also about the progressive liberals who are also out on the protests chanting and cheering in some cases terrorists. To their defence, I think they are stupid and unaware, but ignorance is no defence. i see protests supporting palastinians not seen any supporting isis You are not looking thenlooking plenty unlike yourself im not taking my point of view from piers morgan and kelvin mckenzie, u have 70 000 people on the street ur gona get a few arseholes majority of the people no, pretty sure if u had 70 000 people on the street supporting isrel there would be a few arseholes cheering on the idf killing civillians but that wouldnt meen the majority were either Exactly, and I expect them to be arrested not allowed to take over the streets calling for the deaths of people and cheering on terrorists. This country needs to get a grip, and stop allowing this to happen from any side, and those liberal idiots that are blindly supporting terrorists through their ignorance need an education. unlikle yourself who is blindly supporting one side and buying into the story that the ultra righ goverment who are running Israel are compleatly blame free for wats happening, like i said on another thread old religious nutters on one side and old ultra right nutters on the other side Do you agree or disagree that terrorist supporters openly chanting their support in the streets of our country should be arrested? Also, I think you are struggling to read sections in my posts that say either side, or any side? Or is it you that is one sided, reading your other posts, I can see it is.we either have the right to protest or we dont, if they are breaking the law they get arrested as has happend over the last week, or perhaps only things you agree with should be allowed to protest, personaly i dont really care whos imaginary friend told them that the land was theres, put the borders back to 1967 and build a big fuck off wall if isreal still get attacked by all means level the gaza strip, but sorry i not gona cheer a country on that steals land then fills it up with there own population protest or stir up hate, 2 very different things. Not in your eyes though.... what were the chants ?
I'm not going to repeat here, but you can look into it and see what I'm talking about, if you are genuinely interested.
I'm guessing its more than "from the river to the sea" then. Which I have also seen get ppl up in arms.
Looks like the Met have retrospectively policed the terrorist hate speaker, although a lot more need to be dealt with, 1 is a token effort...
My government is not going to tell me what I should think and say no way.
If I hear something I do not like I look it up and get to know the reasons why people are saying things I do not agree with, it doesn't mean I will eventually agree far from it but now I have an understanding of why.
What I do not agree with is to make laws to silence critics, to inprision them, hurt them financially or just plan cancel them.
That is a rocky road there's a name for it but I cannot think what that word is.
Luckily for the rest of us we live in a democracy and the majority decide what is right and wrong, not individuals."Lucky for me you're the minority in this democracy, as the police reluctance to arrest protestors you highlight proves. | |||
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"The irony of this Home Secretary asking the head of the Met about the forces response to what was being said albeit by a minority at the march on Saturday some two years after this Government received his then review and report into hate speech etc where he told them there is a 'gaping chasm' in the current legislation which allows some to spout hate speech freely is possibly lost on her.. I think the real issue is how inept the Met looked during those episodes! They looked on and were frankly an embarrassment. Braverman will not take kindly to the Met looking so indecisive and weak on her shift, Rowley is going to have sore backside today... It might be an idea to look at what the word jihad actually means, tbh my initial thoughts were it only means holy war or struggle but it has several different meanings apparently.. Therein lies the rub when an arrest for what an officer perceived is different than what the person later says they meant.. It's a grey area but the current legislation is not fit for purpose and or is too full of loopholes which the police are damned if they do and damned if they don't.. I have my own opinion as do you and tbh I share the view that some of the scrotes chanting it meant it to be offensive etc but that's not how the law works.. If the police are weak it's because they have no back up because the hate speech hadn't been clamped down upon under statute which is the only way to do things correctly.." I understand that one particular word can be used in different ways, I believe it was used for hate. However the flag he was holding and the chant he was shouting contained far more than one word. The police should not be second guessing, if it looks like hatred, sounds like hatred let a court decide. We need consistency across the board in dealing with these incidents. My guess is the police on the ground had little idea of what is being said, and should have been briefed on hate speech ahead of policing it, or bring in specialists that understand the meanings behind the things being said. | |||
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"It seems independent pathologists from around the globe have corroborated the stories of human torture and abuse before death. I am happy with the report an verification from multiple pathologists within bias in attendance. Should israel release these images for the world to see the horror. And maybe change their minds on this war and their stances on " standing with Palestine?" Do we desperately need more people cheering on the IDF bombing Palestinian children in revenge for atrocities committed by Hamas? Do we desperately need to see cities in our country turned into anti-Semitic hate filled, terrorist supporting no go areas? The police making no attempt at stopping isis supporting thugs chanting hate in the streets of our country, is a disgrace. It saddens me to watch the gullible progressive liberals who are cheering on these actions oblivious to the long term damage they are doing to the society they are demanding listens to every view, oh the irony!! u do realise islamaphobic attacks have increased aswell since this all kicked off, or is that ok but anti semitic attacks aint, there either both shit or both ok Why ask if it is okay for islamaphobic attacks, where have I given that impression? Going back to my point, the mass protests in which openly supporting isis and other terror organisations are going unchallenged by our police, you have seen this? My point is also about the progressive liberals who are also out on the protests chanting and cheering in some cases terrorists. To their defence, I think they are stupid and unaware, but ignorance is no defence. i see protests supporting palastinians not seen any supporting isis You are not looking thenlooking plenty unlike yourself im not taking my point of view from piers morgan and kelvin mckenzie, u have 70 000 people on the street ur gona get a few arseholes majority of the people no, pretty sure if u had 70 000 people on the street supporting isrel there would be a few arseholes cheering on the idf killing civillians but that wouldnt meen the majority were either Exactly, and I expect them to be arrested not allowed to take over the streets calling for the deaths of people and cheering on terrorists. This country needs to get a grip, and stop allowing this to happen from any side, and those liberal idiots that are blindly supporting terrorists through their ignorance need an education. unlikle yourself who is blindly supporting one side and buying into the story that the ultra righ goverment who are running Israel are compleatly blame free for wats happening, like i said on another thread old religious nutters on one side and old ultra right nutters on the other side Do you agree or disagree that terrorist supporters openly chanting their support in the streets of our country should be arrested? Also, I think you are struggling to read sections in my posts that say either side, or any side? Or is it you that is one sided, reading your other posts, I can see it is.we either have the right to protest or we dont, if they are breaking the law they get arrested as has happend over the last week, or perhaps only things you agree with should be allowed to protest, personaly i dont really care whos imaginary friend told them that the land was theres, put the borders back to 1967 and build a big fuck off wall if isreal still get attacked by all means level the gaza strip, but sorry i not gona cheer a country on that steals land then fills it up with there own population protest or stir up hate, 2 very different things. Not in your eyes though.... what were the chants ?
I'm not going to repeat here, but you can look into it and see what I'm talking about, if you are genuinely interested.
I'm guessing its more than "from the river to the sea" then. Which I have also seen get ppl up in arms.
Looks like the Met have retrospectively policed the terrorist hate speaker, although a lot more need to be dealt with, 1 is a token effort...
My government is not going to tell me what I should think and say no way.
If I hear something I do not like I look it up and get to know the reasons why people are saying things I do not agree with, it doesn't mean I will eventually agree far from it but now I have an understanding of why.
What I do not agree with is to make laws to silence critics, to inprision them, hurt them financially or just plan cancel them.
That is a rocky road there's a name for it but I cannot think what that word is.
Luckily for the rest of us we live in a democracy and the majority decide what is right and wrong, not individuals.
Lucky for me you're the minority in this democracy, as the police reluctance to arrest protestors you highlight proves." | |||
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"It seems independent pathologists from around the globe have corroborated the stories of human torture and abuse before death. I am happy with the report an verification from multiple pathologists within bias in attendance. Should israel release these images for the world to see the horror. And maybe change their minds on this war and their stances on " standing with Palestine?" Do we desperately need more people cheering on the IDF bombing Palestinian children in revenge for atrocities committed by Hamas? Do we desperately need to see cities in our country turned into anti-Semitic hate filled, terrorist supporting no go areas? The police making no attempt at stopping isis supporting thugs chanting hate in the streets of our country, is a disgrace. It saddens me to watch the gullible progressive liberals who are cheering on these actions oblivious to the long term damage they are doing to the society they are demanding listens to every view, oh the irony!! u do realise islamaphobic attacks have increased aswell since this all kicked off, or is that ok but anti semitic attacks aint, there either both shit or both ok Why ask if it is okay for islamaphobic attacks, where have I given that impression? Going back to my point, the mass protests in which openly supporting isis and other terror organisations are going unchallenged by our police, you have seen this? My point is also about the progressive liberals who are also out on the protests chanting and cheering in some cases terrorists. To their defence, I think they are stupid and unaware, but ignorance is no defence. i see protests supporting palastinians not seen any supporting isis You are not looking thenlooking plenty unlike yourself im not taking my point of view from piers morgan and kelvin mckenzie, u have 70 000 people on the street ur gona get a few arseholes majority of the people no, pretty sure if u had 70 000 people on the street supporting isrel there would be a few arseholes cheering on the idf killing civillians but that wouldnt meen the majority were either Exactly, and I expect them to be arrested not allowed to take over the streets calling for the deaths of people and cheering on terrorists. This country needs to get a grip, and stop allowing this to happen from any side, and those liberal idiots that are blindly supporting terrorists through their ignorance need an education. unlikle yourself who is blindly supporting one side and buying into the story that the ultra righ goverment who are running Israel are compleatly blame free for wats happening, like i said on another thread old religious nutters on one side and old ultra right nutters on the other side Do you agree or disagree that terrorist supporters openly chanting their support in the streets of our country should be arrested? Also, I think you are struggling to read sections in my posts that say either side, or any side? Or is it you that is one sided, reading your other posts, I can see it is.we either have the right to protest or we dont, if they are breaking the law they get arrested as has happend over the last week, or perhaps only things you agree with should be allowed to protest, personaly i dont really care whos imaginary friend told them that the land was theres, put the borders back to 1967 and build a big fuck off wall if isreal still get attacked by all means level the gaza strip, but sorry i not gona cheer a country on that steals land then fills it up with there own population protest or stir up hate, 2 very different things. Not in your eyes though.... what were the chants ?
I'm not going to repeat here, but you can look into it and see what I'm talking about, if you are genuinely interested.
I'm guessing its more than "from the river to the sea" then. Which I have also seen get ppl up in arms.
Looks like the Met have retrospectively policed the terrorist hate speaker, although a lot more need to be dealt with, 1 is a token effort...
My government is not going to tell me what I should think and say no way.
If I hear something I do not like I look it up and get to know the reasons why people are saying things I do not agree with, it doesn't mean I will eventually agree far from it but now I have an understanding of why.
What I do not agree with is to make laws to silence critics, to inprision them, hurt them financially or just plan cancel them.
That is a rocky road there's a name for it but I cannot think what that word is.
Luckily for the rest of us we live in a democracy and the majority decide what is right and wrong, not individuals."The percentage of the UK population who voted Conservative at the last election was 20.79%. Hardly a majority. | |||
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"It seems independent pathologists from around the globe have corroborated the stories of human torture and abuse before death. I am happy with the report an verification from multiple pathologists within bias in attendance. Should israel release these images for the world to see the horror. And maybe change their minds on this war and their stances on " standing with Palestine?" Do we desperately need more people cheering on the IDF bombing Palestinian children in revenge for atrocities committed by Hamas? Do we desperately need to see cities in our country turned into anti-Semitic hate filled, terrorist supporting no go areas? The police making no attempt at stopping isis supporting thugs chanting hate in the streets of our country, is a disgrace. It saddens me to watch the gullible progressive liberals who are cheering on these actions oblivious to the long term damage they are doing to the society they are demanding listens to every view, oh the irony!! u do realise islamaphobic attacks have increased aswell since this all kicked off, or is that ok but anti semitic attacks aint, there either both shit or both ok Why ask if it is okay for islamaphobic attacks, where have I given that impression? Going back to my point, the mass protests in which openly supporting isis and other terror organisations are going unchallenged by our police, you have seen this? My point is also about the progressive liberals who are also out on the protests chanting and cheering in some cases terrorists. To their defence, I think they are stupid and unaware, but ignorance is no defence. i see protests supporting palastinians not seen any supporting isis You are not looking thenlooking plenty unlike yourself im not taking my point of view from piers morgan and kelvin mckenzie, u have 70 000 people on the street ur gona get a few arseholes majority of the people no, pretty sure if u had 70 000 people on the street supporting isrel there would be a few arseholes cheering on the idf killing civillians but that wouldnt meen the majority were either Exactly, and I expect them to be arrested not allowed to take over the streets calling for the deaths of people and cheering on terrorists. This country needs to get a grip, and stop allowing this to happen from any side, and those liberal idiots that are blindly supporting terrorists through their ignorance need an education. unlikle yourself who is blindly supporting one side and buying into the story that the ultra righ goverment who are running Israel are compleatly blame free for wats happening, like i said on another thread old religious nutters on one side and old ultra right nutters on the other side Do you agree or disagree that terrorist supporters openly chanting their support in the streets of our country should be arrested? Also, I think you are struggling to read sections in my posts that say either side, or any side? Or is it you that is one sided, reading your other posts, I can see it is.we either have the right to protest or we dont, if they are breaking the law they get arrested as has happend over the last week, or perhaps only things you agree with should be allowed to protest, personaly i dont really care whos imaginary friend told them that the land was theres, put the borders back to 1967 and build a big fuck off wall if isreal still get attacked by all means level the gaza strip, but sorry i not gona cheer a country on that steals land then fills it up with there own population protest or stir up hate, 2 very different things. Not in your eyes though.... what were the chants ?
I'm not going to repeat here, but you can look into it and see what I'm talking about, if you are genuinely interested.
I'm guessing its more than "from the river to the sea" then. Which I have also seen get ppl up in arms.
Looks like the Met have retrospectively policed the terrorist hate speaker, although a lot more need to be dealt with, 1 is a token effort...
My government is not going to tell me what I should think and say no way.
If I hear something I do not like I look it up and get to know the reasons why people are saying things I do not agree with, it doesn't mean I will eventually agree far from it but now I have an understanding of why.
What I do not agree with is to make laws to silence critics, to inprision them, hurt them financially or just plan cancel them.
That is a rocky road there's a name for it but I cannot think what that word is.
Luckily for the rest of us we live in a democracy and the majority decide what is right and wrong, not individuals.
The percentage of the UK population who voted Conservative at the last election was 20.79%. Hardly a majority. "What has my post got to do with the tories? We as a country set our laws and we live in a democracy, it is very simple, unless a person is hellbent on being difficult.. Or you are someone who thinks hate speech is okay. | |||
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"It seems independent pathologists from around the globe have corroborated the stories of human torture and abuse before death. I am happy with the report an verification from multiple pathologists within bias in attendance. Should israel release these images for the world to see the horror. And maybe change their minds on this war and their stances on " standing with Palestine?" Do we desperately need more people cheering on the IDF bombing Palestinian children in revenge for atrocities committed by Hamas? Do we desperately need to see cities in our country turned into anti-Semitic hate filled, terrorist supporting no go areas? The police making no attempt at stopping isis supporting thugs chanting hate in the streets of our country, is a disgrace. It saddens me to watch the gullible progressive liberals who are cheering on these actions oblivious to the long term damage they are doing to the society they are demanding listens to every view, oh the irony!! u do realise islamaphobic attacks have increased aswell since this all kicked off, or is that ok but anti semitic attacks aint, there either both shit or both ok Why ask if it is okay for islamaphobic attacks, where have I given that impression? Going back to my point, the mass protests in which openly supporting isis and other terror organisations are going unchallenged by our police, you have seen this? My point is also about the progressive liberals who are also out on the protests chanting and cheering in some cases terrorists. To their defence, I think they are stupid and unaware, but ignorance is no defence. i see protests supporting palastinians not seen any supporting isis You are not looking thenlooking plenty unlike yourself im not taking my point of view from piers morgan and kelvin mckenzie, u have 70 000 people on the street ur gona get a few arseholes majority of the people no, pretty sure if u had 70 000 people on the street supporting isrel there would be a few arseholes cheering on the idf killing civillians but that wouldnt meen the majority were either Exactly, and I expect them to be arrested not allowed to take over the streets calling for the deaths of people and cheering on terrorists. This country needs to get a grip, and stop allowing this to happen from any side, and those liberal idiots that are blindly supporting terrorists through their ignorance need an education. unlikle yourself who is blindly supporting one side and buying into the story that the ultra righ goverment who are running Israel are compleatly blame free for wats happening, like i said on another thread old religious nutters on one side and old ultra right nutters on the other side Do you agree or disagree that terrorist supporters openly chanting their support in the streets of our country should be arrested? Also, I think you are struggling to read sections in my posts that say either side, or any side? Or is it you that is one sided, reading your other posts, I can see it is.we either have the right to protest or we dont, if they are breaking the law they get arrested as has happend over the last week, or perhaps only things you agree with should be allowed to protest, personaly i dont really care whos imaginary friend told them that the land was theres, put the borders back to 1967 and build a big fuck off wall if isreal still get attacked by all means level the gaza strip, but sorry i not gona cheer a country on that steals land then fills it up with there own population protest or stir up hate, 2 very different things. Not in your eyes though.... what were the chants ?
I'm not going to repeat here, but you can look into it and see what I'm talking about, if you are genuinely interested.
I'm guessing its more than "from the river to the sea" then. Which I have also seen get ppl up in arms.
Looks like the Met have retrospectively policed the terrorist hate speaker, although a lot more need to be dealt with, 1 is a token effort...
My government is not going to tell me what I should think and say no way.
If I hear something I do not like I look it up and get to know the reasons why people are saying things I do not agree with, it doesn't mean I will eventually agree far from it but now I have an understanding of why.
What I do not agree with is to make laws to silence critics, to inprision them, hurt them financially or just plan cancel them.
That is a rocky road there's a name for it but I cannot think what that word is.
Luckily for the rest of us we live in a democracy and the majority decide what is right and wrong, not individuals.
The percentage of the UK population who voted Conservative at the last election was 20.79%. Hardly a majority.
What has my post got to do with the tories? We as a country set our laws and we live in a democracy, it is very simple, unless a person is hellbent on being difficult.. Or you are someone who thinks hate speech is okay.
"Laws are made by the government in power. Who are not necessarily voted by the majority of the population. | |||
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"The irony of this Home Secretary asking the head of the Met about the forces response to what was being said albeit by a minority at the march on Saturday some two years after this Government received his then review and report into hate speech etc where he told them there is a 'gaping chasm' in the current legislation which allows some to spout hate speech freely is possibly lost on her.. I think the real issue is how inept the Met looked during those episodes! They looked on and were frankly an embarrassment. Braverman will not take kindly to the Met looking so indecisive and weak on her shift, Rowley is going to have sore backside today... It might be an idea to look at what the word jihad actually means, tbh my initial thoughts were it only means holy war or struggle but it has several different meanings apparently.. Therein lies the rub when an arrest for what an officer perceived is different than what the person later says they meant.. It's a grey area but the current legislation is not fit for purpose and or is too full of loopholes which the police are damned if they do and damned if they don't.. I have my own opinion as do you and tbh I share the view that some of the scrotes chanting it meant it to be offensive etc but that's not how the law works.. If the police are weak it's because they have no back up because the hate speech hadn't been clamped down upon under statute which is the only way to do things correctly.. I understand that one particular word can be used in different ways, I believe it was used for hate. However the flag he was holding and the chant he was shouting contained far more than one word. The police should not be second guessing, if it looks like hatred, sounds like hatred let a court decide. We need consistency across the board in dealing with these incidents. My guess is the police on the ground had little idea of what is being said, and should have been briefed on hate speech ahead of policing it, or bring in specialists that understand the meanings behind the things being said." interpretation of what another says is based on the individuals perception of their world view, hence why we are debating or .
Freespeech is one of the dwindling rights we have but censorship, self censorship is taking over due to individuals getting together to assert their world views, this is worrying, because it is not a majority view, thus non democratic.
your view will only contain you, because you will not be able to express your honest views which you have put forward now and in the past.
if you get your way, you will soon realise that you have only managed to censor yourself, along with the others you wanted censored.
I acknowledge and would defend your right, but know what it means to me to have my voice censored and to many others who are under attack and would have no means of letting others know.
example the killing fields, the famine which John pilger uncovered were censored before reporters used free speech laws to uncover it there are so many other examples where free speech has removed dictators or exposed them for who they really are.
I am not saying your view towards the marchers are wrong, just the ability for them to say it should not be interfered with.
It shows them for who they are and we as a population will act accordingly, have trust in us not them. | |||
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"It seems independent pathologists from around the globe have corroborated the stories of human torture and abuse before death. I am happy with the report an verification from multiple pathologists within bias in attendance. Should israel release these images for the world to see the horror. And maybe change their minds on this war and their stances on " standing with Palestine?" Do we desperately need more people cheering on the IDF bombing Palestinian children in revenge for atrocities committed by Hamas? Do we desperately need to see cities in our country turned into anti-Semitic hate filled, terrorist supporting no go areas? The police making no attempt at stopping isis supporting thugs chanting hate in the streets of our country, is a disgrace. It saddens me to watch the gullible progressive liberals who are cheering on these actions oblivious to the long term damage they are doing to the society they are demanding listens to every view, oh the irony!! u do realise islamaphobic attacks have increased aswell since this all kicked off, or is that ok but anti semitic attacks aint, there either both shit or both ok Why ask if it is okay for islamaphobic attacks, where have I given that impression? Going back to my point, the mass protests in which openly supporting isis and other terror organisations are going unchallenged by our police, you have seen this? My point is also about the progressive liberals who are also out on the protests chanting and cheering in some cases terrorists. To their defence, I think they are stupid and unaware, but ignorance is no defence. i see protests supporting palastinians not seen any supporting isis You are not looking thenlooking plenty unlike yourself im not taking my point of view from piers morgan and kelvin mckenzie, u have 70 000 people on the street ur gona get a few arseholes majority of the people no, pretty sure if u had 70 000 people on the street supporting isrel there would be a few arseholes cheering on the idf killing civillians but that wouldnt meen the majority were either Exactly, and I expect them to be arrested not allowed to take over the streets calling for the deaths of people and cheering on terrorists. This country needs to get a grip, and stop allowing this to happen from any side, and those liberal idiots that are blindly supporting terrorists through their ignorance need an education. unlikle yourself who is blindly supporting one side and buying into the story that the ultra righ goverment who are running Israel are compleatly blame free for wats happening, like i said on another thread old religious nutters on one side and old ultra right nutters on the other side Do you agree or disagree that terrorist supporters openly chanting their support in the streets of our country should be arrested? Also, I think you are struggling to read sections in my posts that say either side, or any side? Or is it you that is one sided, reading your other posts, I can see it is.we either have the right to protest or we dont, if they are breaking the law they get arrested as has happend over the last week, or perhaps only things you agree with should be allowed to protest, personaly i dont really care whos imaginary friend told them that the land was theres, put the borders back to 1967 and build a big fuck off wall if isreal still get attacked by all means level the gaza strip, but sorry i not gona cheer a country on that steals land then fills it up with there own population protest or stir up hate, 2 very different things. Not in your eyes though.... what were the chants ?
I'm not going to repeat here, but you can look into it and see what I'm talking about, if you are genuinely interested.
I'm guessing its more than "from the river to the sea" then. Which I have also seen get ppl up in arms.
Looks like the Met have retrospectively policed the terrorist hate speaker, although a lot more need to be dealt with, 1 is a token effort...
My government is not going to tell me what I should think and say no way.
If I hear something I do not like I look it up and get to know the reasons why people are saying things I do not agree with, it doesn't mean I will eventually agree far from it but now I have an understanding of why.
What I do not agree with is to make laws to silence critics, to inprision them, hurt them financially or just plan cancel them.
That is a rocky road there's a name for it but I cannot think what that word is.
Luckily for the rest of us we live in a democracy and the majority decide what is right and wrong, not individuals.
The percentage of the UK population who voted Conservative at the last election was 20.79%. Hardly a majority.
What has my post got to do with the tories? We as a country set our laws and we live in a democracy, it is very simple, unless a person is hellbent on being difficult.. Or you are someone who thinks hate speech is okay.
Laws are made by the government in power. Who are not necessarily voted by the majority of the population. "Voted in by the majority of voters.... Not sure why you are changing the subject away from hate speech? Are you for it or against it? | |||
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"It seems independent pathologists from around the globe have corroborated the stories of human torture and abuse before death. I am happy with the report an verification from multiple pathologists within bias in attendance. Should israel release these images for the world to see the horror. And maybe change their minds on this war and their stances on " standing with Palestine?"" . Citations needed. If Israel ever HAD pictures of anything (beheaded babies etc) you can GUARANTEE they would circulate them! IT'S WHAT THEY DO. All the initial reports from hostages were that they were treated really well. pr | |||
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"It seems independent pathologists from around the globe have corroborated the stories of human torture and abuse before death. I am happy with the report an verification from multiple pathologists within bias in attendance. Should israel release these images for the world to see the horror. And maybe change their minds on this war and their stances on " standing with Palestine?"didnt realise the palastinians were responsible i thought it was hammas, if you wana see dead and burnt bodies watch some of the arab worlds news stations plenty being pulled out the rubble at momment, i do think most people think dead civillians on either side are a bad thing, although from some of the comments on the forums over the last cpl of weeks you would think dead civillians from one side are all that matters " . Mate, you have to understand that people in Gaza (just some of the Palestinians, as you know) voted for Hamas and support Hamas!! I'm ok with that, Hamas are not actually 'evil' as Israel has always controlled the narrative on. Nor can they be terrorists - they were voted in and they are besieged! Palestine does need something better. But under Israel's eternal Holy siege? How? pt | |||
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"The irony of this Home Secretary asking the head of the Met about the forces response to what was being said albeit by a minority at the march on Saturday some two years after this Government received his then review and report into hate speech etc where he told them there is a 'gaping chasm' in the current legislation which allows some to spout hate speech freely is possibly lost on her.. I think the real issue is how inept the Met looked during those episodes! They looked on and were frankly an embarrassment. Braverman will not take kindly to the Met looking so indecisive and weak on her shift, Rowley is going to have sore backside today... It might be an idea to look at what the word jihad actually means, tbh my initial thoughts were it only means holy war or struggle but it has several different meanings apparently.. Therein lies the rub when an arrest for what an officer perceived is different than what the person later says they meant.. It's a grey area but the current legislation is not fit for purpose and or is too full of loopholes which the police are damned if they do and damned if they don't.. I have my own opinion as do you and tbh I share the view that some of the scrotes chanting it meant it to be offensive etc but that's not how the law works.. If the police are weak it's because they have no back up because the hate speech hadn't been clamped down upon under statute which is the only way to do things correctly.. I understand that one particular word can be used in different ways, I believe it was used for hate. However the flag he was holding and the chant he was shouting contained far more than one word. The police should not be second guessing, if it looks like hatred, sounds like hatred let a court decide. We need consistency across the board in dealing with these incidents. My guess is the police on the ground had little idea of what is being said, and should have been briefed on hate speech ahead of policing it, or bring in specialists that understand the meanings behind the things being said. interpretation of what another says is based on the individuals perception of their world view, hence why we are debating or .
Freespeech is one of the dwindling rights we have but censorship, self censorship is taking over due to individuals getting together to assert their world views, this is worrying, because it is not a majority view, thus non democratic.
your view will only contain you, because you will not be able to express your honest views which you have put forward now and in the past.
if you get your way, you will soon realise that you have only managed to censor yourself, along with the others you wanted censored.
I acknowledge and would defend your right, but know what it means to me to have my voice censored and to many others who are under attack and would have no means of letting others know.
example the killing fields, the famine which John pilger uncovered were censored before reporters used free speech laws to uncover it there are so many other examples where free speech has removed dictators or exposed them for who they really are.
I am not saying your view towards the marchers are wrong, just the ability for them to say it should not be interfered with.
It shows them for who they are and we as a population will act accordingly, have trust in us not them."If you are okay with hate speech, great but the law is clear that as a country we will not accept hate speech. Would you be happy if we allowed people to walk the streets being homophobic, racist or any other horrid thing? I for one are not and I expect the police to act. To be clear, hate speech is what I'm against, not the right to speak your mind. | |||
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"At notme, they are debating this on politics live at this moment on BBC 2 worth a watch." | |||
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"It seems independent pathologists from around the globe have corroborated the stories of human torture and abuse before death. I am happy with the report an verification from multiple pathologists within bias in attendance. Should israel release these images for the world to see the horror. And maybe change their minds on this war and their stances on " standing with Palestine?" Do we desperately need more people cheering on the IDF bombing Palestinian children in revenge for atrocities committed by Hamas? Do we desperately need to see cities in our country turned into anti-Semitic hate filled, terrorist supporting no go areas? The police making no attempt at stopping isis supporting thugs chanting hate in the streets of our country, is a disgrace. It saddens me to watch the gullible progressive liberals who are cheering on these actions oblivious to the long term damage they are doing to the society they are demanding listens to every view, oh the irony!! u do realise islamaphobic attacks have increased aswell since this all kicked off, or is that ok but anti semitic attacks aint, there either both shit or both ok Why ask if it is okay for islamaphobic attacks, where have I given that impression? Going back to my point, the mass protests in which openly supporting isis and other terror organisations are going unchallenged by our police, you have seen this? My point is also about the progressive liberals who are also out on the protests chanting and cheering in some cases terrorists. To their defence, I think they are stupid and unaware, but ignorance is no defence. i see protests supporting palastinians not seen any supporting isis You are not looking thenlooking plenty unlike yourself im not taking my point of view from piers morgan and kelvin mckenzie, u have 70 000 people on the street ur gona get a few arseholes majority of the people no, pretty sure if u had 70 000 people on the street supporting isrel there would be a few arseholes cheering on the idf killing civillians but that wouldnt meen the majority were either Exactly, and I expect them to be arrested not allowed to take over the streets calling for the deaths of people and cheering on terrorists. This country needs to get a grip, and stop allowing this to happen from any side, and those liberal idiots that are blindly supporting terrorists through their ignorance need an education. unlikle yourself who is blindly supporting one side and buying into the story that the ultra righ goverment who are running Israel are compleatly blame free for wats happening, like i said on another thread old religious nutters on one side and old ultra right nutters on the other side Do you agree or disagree that terrorist supporters openly chanting their support in the streets of our country should be arrested? Also, I think you are struggling to read sections in my posts that say either side, or any side? Or is it you that is one sided, reading your other posts, I can see it is.we either have the right to protest or we dont, if they are breaking the law they get arrested as has happend over the last week, or perhaps only things you agree with should be allowed to protest, personaly i dont really care whos imaginary friend told them that the land was theres, put the borders back to 1967 and build a big fuck off wall if isreal still get attacked by all means level the gaza strip, but sorry i not gona cheer a country on that steals land then fills it up with there own population protest or stir up hate, 2 very different things. Not in your eyes though.... what were the chants ?
I'm not going to repeat here, but you can look into it and see what I'm talking about, if you are genuinely interested.
I'm guessing its more than "from the river to the sea" then. Which I have also seen get ppl up in arms.
Looks like the Met have retrospectively policed the terrorist hate speaker, although a lot more need to be dealt with, 1 is a token effort...
My government is not going to tell me what I should think and say no way.
If I hear something I do not like I look it up and get to know the reasons why people are saying things I do not agree with, it doesn't mean I will eventually agree far from it but now I have an understanding of why.
What I do not agree with is to make laws to silence critics, to inprision them, hurt them financially or just plan cancel them.
That is a rocky road there's a name for it but I cannot think what that word is.
Luckily for the rest of us we live in a democracy and the majority decide what is right and wrong, not individuals.
The percentage of the UK population who voted Conservative at the last election was 20.79%. Hardly a majority.
What has my post got to do with the tories? We as a country set our laws and we live in a democracy, it is very simple, unless a person is hellbent on being difficult.. Or you are someone who thinks hate speech is okay.
Laws are made by the government in power. Who are not necessarily voted by the majority of the population.
Voted in by the majority of voters....
Not sure why you are changing the subject away from hate speech? Are you for it or against it?"Not even the majority of voters, voted for them. I was merely pointing out a inaccurate statement in your post. What subject am I changing..? You made the statement about majority of voters. The original post isn't even about hate speech, so seems everyone is guilty. | |||
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"At notme, they are debating this on politics live at this moment on BBC 2 worth a watch." Listening to the debate, I think everyone was in agreement that hate speech should not be allowed to go unchecked by the police. The event with the flag waving thug is clear cut to me and was pure hate, however the tube driver is not something I would expect the police to be involved in. | |||
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"The irony of this Home Secretary asking the head of the Met about the forces response to what was being said albeit by a minority at the march on Saturday some two years after this Government received his then review and report into hate speech etc where he told them there is a 'gaping chasm' in the current legislation which allows some to spout hate speech freely is possibly lost on her.. I think the real issue is how inept the Met looked during those episodes! They looked on and were frankly an embarrassment. Braverman will not take kindly to the Met looking so indecisive and weak on her shift, Rowley is going to have sore backside today... It might be an idea to look at what the word jihad actually means, tbh my initial thoughts were it only means holy war or struggle but it has several different meanings apparently.. Therein lies the rub when an arrest for what an officer perceived is different than what the person later says they meant.. It's a grey area but the current legislation is not fit for purpose and or is too full of loopholes which the police are damned if they do and damned if they don't.. I have my own opinion as do you and tbh I share the view that some of the scrotes chanting it meant it to be offensive etc but that's not how the law works.. If the police are weak it's because they have no back up because the hate speech hadn't been clamped down upon under statute which is the only way to do things correctly.. I understand that one particular word can be used in different ways, I believe it was used for hate. However the flag he was holding and the chant he was shouting contained far more than one word. The police should not be second guessing, if it looks like hatred, sounds like hatred let a court decide. We need consistency across the board in dealing with these incidents. My guess is the police on the ground had little idea of what is being said, and should have been briefed on hate speech ahead of policing it, or bring in specialists that understand the meanings behind the things being said." Your speaking with the benefit of hindsight though, perhaps they had considered what might happen if they go in to carry out arrests there and then or as they've done with eg. Football fans got the intel and will act later.. Fact is the legislation is piss poor, it inhibits the police in doing their job si no matter how many what ifs, but or shoulda woulda coulda the answer lies with the government who could get their act together asp as there's going to be more protests etc as the current situation continues.. | |||
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"The irony of this Home Secretary asking the head of the Met about the forces response to what was being said albeit by a minority at the march on Saturday some two years after this Government received his then review and report into hate speech etc where he told them there is a 'gaping chasm' in the current legislation which allows some to spout hate speech freely is possibly lost on her.. I think the real issue is how inept the Met looked during those episodes! They looked on and were frankly an embarrassment. Braverman will not take kindly to the Met looking so indecisive and weak on her shift, Rowley is going to have sore backside today... It might be an idea to look at what the word jihad actually means, tbh my initial thoughts were it only means holy war or struggle but it has several different meanings apparently.. Therein lies the rub when an arrest for what an officer perceived is different than what the person later says they meant.. It's a grey area but the current legislation is not fit for purpose and or is too full of loopholes which the police are damned if they do and damned if they don't.. I have my own opinion as do you and tbh I share the view that some of the scrotes chanting it meant it to be offensive etc but that's not how the law works.. If the police are weak it's because they have no back up because the hate speech hadn't been clamped down upon under statute which is the only way to do things correctly.. I understand that one particular word can be used in different ways, I believe it was used for hate. However the flag he was holding and the chant he was shouting contained far more than one word. The police should not be second guessing, if it looks like hatred, sounds like hatred let a court decide. We need consistency across the board in dealing with these incidents. My guess is the police on the ground had little idea of what is being said, and should have been briefed on hate speech ahead of policing it, or bring in specialists that understand the meanings behind the things being said. interpretation of what another says is based on the individuals perception of their world view, hence why we are debating or .
Freespeech is one of the dwindling rights we have but censorship, self censorship is taking over due to individuals getting together to assert their world views, this is worrying, because it is not a majority view, thus non democratic.
your view will only contain you, because you will not be able to express your honest views which you have put forward now and in the past.
if you get your way, you will soon realise that you have only managed to censor yourself, along with the others you wanted censored.
I acknowledge and would defend your right, but know what it means to me to have my voice censored and to many others who are under attack and would have no means of letting others know.
example the killing fields, the famine which John pilger uncovered were censored before reporters used free speech laws to uncover it there are so many other examples where free speech has removed dictators or exposed them for who they really are.
I am not saying your view towards the marchers are wrong, just the ability for them to say it should not be interfered with.
It shows them for who they are and we as a population will act accordingly, have trust in us not them.
If you are okay with hate speech, great but the law is clear that as a country we will not accept hate speech.
Would you be happy if we allowed people to walk the streets being homophobic, racist or any other horrid thing?
I for one are not and I expect the police to act.
To be clear, hate speech is what I'm against, not the right to speak your mind. "I understand but I trust you, example we are at the march in question we know what our views are. We hear the words see the hate. Are you going to the march or any other march on that subject? I am not going, I would think you're not going and from that idea many others are not going and hence less and less support for their views they can't raised funds because me, you and others are not putting up with it. So in a democratic way they are silenced. And then they become unpopular, they make threats towards us then I would expect government action as they are violently suppressing my speech and yours by aggressive means. So in a way we are both together even though our views do not match but our actions unite us. Then I see we are pawns in a game, because essentially we agree but just word and action things differently. A lot of things well your view has been against mine on the surface but dig deeper and we are united it is our politicians ideology which divide us. peace. | |||
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"At notme, they are debating this on politics live at this moment on BBC 2 worth a watch. "Dare I ask what your views are. | |||
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"At notme, they are debating this on politics live at this moment on BBC 2 worth a watch.
Dare I ask what your views are."I don’t think the police need more powers or we need extra legislation. I take onboard another posters comments about choosing the right time to act, but that’s giving out the wrong message. We’ve got a social issue with police / people and we are in situation now where it is common place to attack the police physically and expect to get away with it. | |||
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"At notme, they are debating this on politics live at this moment on BBC 2 worth a watch.
Dare I ask what your views are.
I don’t think the police need more powers or we need extra legislation.
I take onboard another posters comments about choosing the right time to act, but that’s giving out the wrong message.
We’ve got a social issue with police / people and we are in situation now where it is common place to attack the police physically and expect to get away with it.
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"So sit down, say “The rest of the world have had enough of this shit. Israel you will give us your nukes, How many tanks, missiles & soldiers you have. Palestine we will give you weapons to match & you can borrow the troops or train your own over the next six months. The area of XYZ is the field of play. The rest of the world will be umpire, last man standing takes all losers relocate & do not come back because obviously because you lost your God was not “On your side or simply doesn’t exist” No interference from outside parties will be tolerated & will be dealt with by “Extreme Prejudice”. Take it or leave it & by leave it we mean we will just end you all & be done with it” Sounds like a fairer option to me S Isn't that am approximation of what happened in 1948? And then later on a couple of times? Hmm... Even in 48 the balance of power was influenced by forces outside the area, otherwise how did 30% of the Palestinian population (The Jewish segment) take 70% of the land? S" Because 6 other countries attacked them from all sides simultaneously. What do you think would have happened if they lost? It's amazing how much the threat of total anilation can motivate a race of people. | |||
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"Sadly I think there are many people in the Uk and Europe who just think that the Jews are asking for it. We have made little progress since the 1930’s." Agreed. Its now verging on holocaust denial, what is being said. | |||
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"I guess it all depends on the circles you mix, but I have heard noone say the Jews are asking for it. I know lots of people who see it's a hugely complex issue with some understanding of why both sides feel aggrieved. The closest I have is that some of the historical actions in Israel has created this mess. And nothing close to holocaust denial. " For me denying that these children were bound and burned. With independent pathologists confirming As well as some beheaded is like holocaust denial. Denying something happened because you don't like the race. | |||
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"Sadly I think there are many people in the Uk and Europe who just think that the Jews are asking for it. We have made little progress since the 1930’s. Agreed. Its now verging on holocaust denial, what is being said. " Im sorry but are you the same guy who debated hitler was a socialist? Now you're discussing holocaust denial, come on my man. or was your hitler thread a wind up. | |||
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"I guess it all depends on the circles you mix, but I have heard noone say the Jews are asking for it. I know lots of people who see it's a hugely complex issue with some understanding of why both sides feel aggrieved. The closest I have is that some of the historical actions in Israel has created this mess. And nothing close to holocaust denial. For me denying that these children were bound and burned. With independent pathologists confirming As well as some beheaded is like holocaust denial. Denying something happened because you don't like the race. " on this thread I've seen one person who has said they havent seen the reports, and one who has shown more scepticism... With my sense being they are closer to this conflict than your average Brit/European. In the rest of my world... Not seen anyone say it hasn't happened ... Where else have you seen it ? | |||
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"It seems independent pathologists from around the globe have corroborated the stories of human torture and abuse before death. I am happy with the report an verification from multiple pathologists within bias in attendance. Should israel release these images for the world to see the horror. And maybe change their minds on this war and their stances on " standing with Palestine?"" I really came to say this, I have just seen C4 news and it has to stop now, I do not care who did what now the number of people I have just seen dead is beyond a joke. Hamas showing an 18 year old, and the family crawling on the ground fathers hands covered with his daughters blood. I can imagine me in such fear. Palestinians hungry, thirsty, hospitals about to run out of fuel causing more deaths. They have had their pound of flesh a couple of pounds in fact their revenge is now complete, lets stop this I have wrote to my M.P stating this needs to stop now. From the questions in the commons today it seems I am not the only one writing to my M.P. I cannot be seen to be supporting this it needs to stop. | |||
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"Incomprehensible cruelty "You better believe it which you do sorry. I also saw a Palestinian child age 15 go out in to the street to see where Israel shoulders were and was shot in the head killing him, his father went to see how his son was and was also shot, and their home took over. The boy was unarmed as was the father and the family whose house was taken over. Where are we going next year for a holiday, bet it isn't the east as we won't be wanted there. | |||
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"Is the 40 baby shit? This was admitted to not being seen, just being 'heard'. Where *is* this independent pathologist stuff? Lay down some refs ffs!!! Anyone can pass on lies. And this is just a lie. Hamas are not wild, they are not perfect but they represent the people of Gaza, and they don't behead babies. It's a total lie, designed to sell an invasion of Gaza of the pre-text of evil barbarity. pt" They do not represent the people of Gaza.There is no political opposition to Hamas.There is no media opposition.The people of Gaza are like the people of Afghanistan,North Korea,Burma,Iran,China,silent on camera,sick of their regime off camera.Israel have been forced to release Hamas video footage (yes,Hamas footage not IDF) of Hamas atrocities to prove Hamas have committed atrocities.Apparently UK journalists have been in tears after viewing this material.Some Labour politicians still don't believe this footage and are calling for independent verification. | |||
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"Sadly I think there are many people in the Uk and Europe who just think that the Jews are asking for it. We have made little progress since the 1930’s. Agreed. Its now verging on holocaust denial, what is being said. Im sorry but are you the same guy who debated hitler was a socialist? Now you're discussing holocaust denial, come on my man. or was your hitler thread a wind up." Hitler was leader of the NSDAP,the National Socialists,NAtional soZIalistiche,which is where the name Nazi comes from.Google search(NSDAP) if you don't know modern history. | |||
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"It seems independent pathologists from around the globe have corroborated the stories of human torture and abuse before death. I am happy with the report an verification from multiple pathologists within bias in attendance. Should israel release these images for the world to see the horror. And maybe change their minds on this war and their stances on " standing with Palestine?"" I can honestly say i havent seen or heard anything about this,so can you provide names of the independent pathologists or where the story can be read ? | |||
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"Is the 40 baby shit? This was admitted to not being seen, just being 'heard'. Where *is* this independent pathologist stuff? Lay down some refs ffs!!! Anyone can pass on lies. And this is just a lie. Hamas are not wild, they are not perfect but they represent the people of Gaza, and they don't behead babies. It's a total lie, designed to sell an invasion of Gaza of the pre-text of evil barbarity. pt They do not represent the people of Gaza.There is no political opposition to Hamas.There is no media opposition.The people of Gaza are like the people of Afghanistan,North Korea,Burma,Iran,China,silent on camera,sick of their regime off camera.Israel have been forced to release Hamas video footage (yes,Hamas footage not IDF) of Hamas atrocities to prove Hamas have committed atrocities.Apparently UK journalists have been in tears after viewing this material.Some Labour politicians still don't believe this footage and are calling for independent verification." . You're talking through your hat. Hamas poll consistently well in Gaza! They represent Gaza, they just do. That isn't fixed either, it's fact. And that fact is popular in the West Bank too. Labour under Starmer would be the *very first* to believe all these lies, what a daft shot that was too. pt | |||
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"I guess it all depends on the circles you mix, but I have heard noone say the Jews are asking for it. I know lots of people who see it's a hugely complex issue with some understanding of why both sides feel aggrieved. The closest I have is that some of the historical actions in Israel has created this mess. And nothing close to holocaust denial. For me denying that these children were bound and burned. With independent pathologists confirming As well as some beheaded is like holocaust denial. Denying something happened because you don't like the race. on this thread I've seen one person who has said they havent seen the reports, and one who has shown more scepticism... With my sense being they are closer to this conflict than your average Brit/European. In the rest of my world... Not seen anyone say it hasn't happened ... Where else have you seen it ?" I'm not talking about kn here. There's been multiple threads shut down. But others have denied what's happening | |||
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"Is the 40 baby shit? This was admitted to not being seen, just being 'heard'. Where *is* this independent pathologist stuff? Lay down some refs ffs!!! Anyone can pass on lies. And this is just a lie. Hamas are not wild, they are not perfect but they represent the people of Gaza, and they don't behead babies. It's a total lie, designed to sell an invasion of Gaza of the pre-text of evil barbarity. pt" Andrew Neil is tweeting everything. Maybe take your head out the sand. | |||
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"Sadly I think there are many people in the Uk and Europe who just think that the Jews are asking for it. We have made little progress since the 1930’s. Agreed. Its now verging on holocaust denial, what is being said. Im sorry but are you the same guy who debated hitler was a socialist? Now you're discussing holocaust denial, come on my man. or was your hitler thread a wind up. Hitler was leader of the NSDAP,the National Socialists,NAtional soZIalistiche,which is where the name Nazi comes from.Google search(NSDAP) if you don't know modern history." You don't look like Morley? Socialist that gassed and murdered and grave rob mmmmm socialists ok, and then you also support Israel from what I read ok cool. | |||
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"Journalists in tears as IDF shows them body cam footage of massacres by Hamas terrorists on Oct 7 with civilians and soldiers being shot, stabbed, tortured and burned merely because they were Jewish. Their corpses were bound, gagged and riddled with bullet holes and knife wounds. In one clip, a Hamas terrorist throws a grenade at a father and his son. The blast kills the father, while the young boy is covered in his blood. The child is dragged inside and forced to sit next to his brother, whose eye is a bloody mess after being subjected to horrific torture. One of the boys sobs: 'Why am I alive?' Other footage shows IDF soldiers beheaded with their headless corpses left splayed in the streets, while a contingent of female soldiers were injured by a grenade then shot at point blank range. A Hamas gunman brags on the the phone to his parents about 'killing 10 Jews'. He is using phone of a Jewish woman who has just been murdered and boasts that he 'is a hero' after killing Israelis with his 'own hands'. Room with about 200 or so independent journalists seeing everything. But according to manyIsrael is faking this. " . This is utter, utter hate on your side - not the Palestinians. I not going to comment on figting the IDF (who are slaughtering children like they did when I was in school in the 80's and who have never stopped) - they will no be beheaded though by Hamas though. Like the handmade rockets, when it comes to personal vengeance of actual Palestinian people to Israeli soldiers? Who knows. This is the hell of war after all. But even then I WILL NEED TO SEE PROOF. There will never be evidence of the worst of this shit (baby killing etc) because it simply hasn't happened! Andrew Neil is an alpha nutcase. He couldn't forge a place on his fabled GBNews, and the BBC paid the bully an absolute fortune for years to say pretty-much whatever he wanted to whenever he wished to say it, the ungrateful little man. Yes Israelis have died, hostages have been taken (and looked-after BY ALL ACCOUNTS) and the retaliation by the IDF has typically been 10:1. pt | |||
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"Journalists in tears as IDF shows them body cam footage of massacres by Hamas terrorists on Oct 7 with civilians and soldiers being shot, stabbed, tortured and burned merely because they were Jewish. Their corpses were bound, gagged and riddled with bullet holes and knife wounds. In one clip, a Hamas terrorist throws a grenade at a father and his son. The blast kills the father, while the young boy is covered in his blood. The child is dragged inside and forced to sit next to his brother, whose eye is a bloody mess after being subjected to horrific torture. One of the boys sobs: 'Why am I alive?' Other footage shows IDF soldiers beheaded with their headless corpses left splayed in the streets, while a contingent of female soldiers were injured by a grenade then shot at point blank range. A Hamas gunman brags on the the phone to his parents about 'killing 10 Jews'. He is using phone of a Jewish woman who has just been murdered and boasts that he 'is a hero' after killing Israelis with his 'own hands'. Room with about 200 or so independent journalists seeing everything. But according to many. Israel is faking this. " When will the MSM present this to the rest of the world. as I believe that showing this to the MSM for the need to report it. so which paper will it be in or are all the papers and news outlet reporting this as I am not on social media so I cannot follow AN and his tweets. Plus you have some guy pretending to be you on here. well his answering questions directed at you. are you friends? | |||
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"Journalists in tears as IDF shows them body cam footage of massacres by Hamas terrorists on Oct 7 with civilians and soldiers being shot, stabbed, tortured and burned merely because they were Jewish. Their corpses were bound, gagged and riddled with bullet holes and knife wounds. In one clip, a Hamas terrorist throws a grenade at a father and his son. The blast kills the father, while the young boy is covered in his blood. The child is dragged inside and forced to sit next to his brother, whose eye is a bloody mess after being subjected to horrific torture. One of the boys sobs: 'Why am I alive?' Other footage shows IDF soldiers beheaded with their headless corpses left splayed in the streets, while a contingent of female soldiers were injured by a grenade then shot at point blank range. A Hamas gunman brags on the the phone to his parents about 'killing 10 Jews'. He is using phone of a Jewish woman who has just been murdered and boasts that he 'is a hero' after killing Israelis with his 'own hands'. Room with about 200 or so independent journalists seeing everything. But according to manyIsrael is faking this. . This is utter, utter hate on your side - not the Palestinians. I not going to comment on figting the IDF (who are slaughtering children like they did when I was in school in the 80's and who have never stopped) - they will no be beheaded though by Hamas though. Like the handmade rockets, when it comes to personal vengeance of actual Palestinian people to Israeli soldiers? Who knows. This is the hell of war after all. But even then I WILL NEED TO SEE PROOF. There will never be evidence of the worst of this shit (baby killing etc) because it simply hasn't happened! Andrew Neil is an alpha nutcase. He couldn't forge a place on his fabled GBNews, and the BBC paid the bully an absolute fortune for years to say pretty-much whatever he wanted to whenever he wished to say it, the ungrateful little man. Yes Israelis have died, hostages have been taken (and looked-after BY ALL ACCOUNTS) and the retaliation by the IDF has typically been 10:1. pt" Sky news today broadcast an interview with the Israeli PM. Who showed a piece of paper well two pieces of paper reportedly taken from a dead Hamas fighter which showed isis and alquada propaganda and how to make a chemical weapon. Sky news could not provide verification of this report, and later on the PM stated that it was taken off a data stick which the Hamas solider was carrying. Then another reported tweeted that this paperwork comes from one of the terrorist who who flew a plane into the twin towers. and posted the same papers as the P.M had shown on the sky interview. that is not good the PM had inferred that Israel was fighting 3 terrorist groups so the barrage of Gaza must continue and to Make excuses for a ground attack and further murder sorry mass murder sorry genocide of a group of people who had killed anyone collective punishment and siege which is unlawful. | |||
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"Focus should be on bringing both sides together, rather than entrenching their division. Anything that consolidates their emotional distance, blame, etc isn't conducive to stopping unnecessary deaths. War needs to be solved via communication and willingness to progress. The world should focus all parties onto this only." | |||
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"Too many people in here deny what may be happening because it doesn't suit their own narrative. I wouldn't mind betting that any evidence presented would be met by screams of "fake news". It should be mandatory that all posts should contain the phrase "I love Jews and I love Arabs".....which should enable the keyboard warriors to throw their collective teddies out of their collective prams as they may argue about which of the peoples should be listed first. " No fake news it's war people die on both sides. One side is just better at it than the other. Simple facts. That is not fake. People think this phase is bad wait until the ground offensive kicks off. | |||
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"Too many people in here deny what may be happening because it doesn't suit their own narrative. I wouldn't mind betting that any evidence presented would be met by screams of "fake news". It should be mandatory that all posts should contain the phrase "I love Jews and I love Arabs".....which should enable the keyboard warriors to throw their collective teddies out of their collective prams as they may argue about which of the peoples should be listed first. No fake news it's war people die on both sides. One side is just better at it than the other. Simple facts. That is not fake. People think this phase is bad wait until the ground offensive kicks off." Exactly my point.....but there appear to be many denying what may be happening to the suffering of either side because it doesn't suit their narrative from behind their sheltered keyboards. | |||
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"Too many people in here deny what may be happening because it doesn't suit their own narrative. I wouldn't mind betting that any evidence presented would be met by screams of "fake news". It should be mandatory that all posts should contain the phrase "I love Jews and I love Arabs".....which should enable the keyboard warriors to throw their collective teddies out of their collective prams as they may argue about which of the peoples should be listed first. No fake news it's war people die on both sides. One side is just better at it than the other. Simple facts. That is not fake. People think this phase is bad wait until the ground offensive kicks off. Exactly my point.....but there appear to be many denying what may be happening to the suffering of either side because it doesn't suit their narrative from behind their sheltered keyboards." Logic dictates it's war. You can pick a side but don't think they are throwing glitter bombs at one another. If death was out of the equation it would just be a sporting event. But it is not. | |||
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"Too many people in here deny what may be happening because it doesn't suit their own narrative. I wouldn't mind betting that any evidence presented would be met by screams of "fake news". It should be mandatory that all posts should contain the phrase "I love Jews and I love Arabs".....which should enable the keyboard warriors to throw their collective teddies out of their collective prams as they may argue about which of the peoples should be listed first. No fake news it's war people die on both sides. One side is just better at it than the other. Simple facts. That is not fake. People think this phase is bad wait until the ground offensive kicks off. Exactly my point.....but there appear to be many denying what may be happening to the suffering of either side because it doesn't suit their narrative from behind their sheltered keyboards." This | |||
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"Journalists in tears as IDF shows them body cam footage of massacres by Hamas terrorists on Oct 7 with civilians and soldiers being shot, stabbed, tortured and burned merely because they were Jewish. Their corpses were bound, gagged and riddled with bullet holes and knife wounds. In one clip, a Hamas terrorist throws a grenade at a father and his son. The blast kills the father, while the young boy is covered in his blood. The child is dragged inside and forced to sit next to his brother, whose eye is a bloody mess after being subjected to horrific torture. One of the boys sobs: 'Why am I alive?' Other footage shows IDF soldiers beheaded with their headless corpses left splayed in the streets, while a contingent of female soldiers were injured by a grenade then shot at point blank range. A Hamas gunman brags on the the phone to his parents about 'killing 10 Jews'. He is using phone of a Jewish woman who has just been murdered and boasts that he 'is a hero' after killing Israelis with his 'own hands'. Room with about 200 or so independent journalists seeing everything. But according to many. Israel is faking this. " Just reading the BBC article on this is harrowing, let alone watching footage of these events | |||
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"Journalists in tears as IDF shows them body cam footage of massacres by Hamas terrorists on Oct 7 with civilians and soldiers being shot, stabbed, tortured and burned merely because they were Jewish. Their corpses were bound, gagged and riddled with bullet holes and knife wounds. In one clip, a Hamas terrorist throws a grenade at a father and his son. The blast kills the father, while the young boy is covered in his blood. The child is dragged inside and forced to sit next to his brother, whose eye is a bloody mess after being subjected to horrific torture. One of the boys sobs: 'Why am I alive?' Other footage shows IDF soldiers beheaded with their headless corpses left splayed in the streets, while a contingent of female soldiers were injured by a grenade then shot at point blank range. A Hamas gunman brags on the the phone to his parents about 'killing 10 Jews'. He is using phone of a Jewish woman who has just been murdered and boasts that he 'is a hero' after killing Israelis with his 'own hands'. Room with about 200 or so independent journalists seeing everything. But according to many. Israel is faking this. Just reading the BBC article on this is harrowing, let alone watching footage of these events" I read that as well but does this justify the annihilation of everyone in Gaza? | |||
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"Sadly I think there are many people in the Uk and Europe who just think that the Jews are asking for it. We have made little progress since the 1930’s. Agreed. Its now verging on holocaust denial, what is being said. Im sorry but are you the same guy who debated hitler was a socialist? Now you're discussing holocaust denial, come on my man. or was your hitler thread a wind up. Hitler was leader of the NSDAP,the National Socialists,NAtional soZIalistiche,which is where the name Nazi comes from.Google search(NSDAP) if you don't know modern history." Oh lawd don’t start that nonsense again! Go read the three threads on this. | |||
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"Journalists in tears as IDF shows them body cam footage of massacres by Hamas terrorists on Oct 7 with civilians and soldiers being shot, stabbed, tortured and burned merely because they were Jewish. Their corpses were bound, gagged and riddled with bullet holes and knife wounds. In one clip, a Hamas terrorist throws a grenade at a father and his son. The blast kills the father, while the young boy is covered in his blood. The child is dragged inside and forced to sit next to his brother, whose eye is a bloody mess after being subjected to horrific torture. One of the boys sobs: 'Why am I alive?' Other footage shows IDF soldiers beheaded with their headless corpses left splayed in the streets, while a contingent of female soldiers were injured by a grenade then shot at point blank range. A Hamas gunman brags on the the phone to his parents about 'killing 10 Jews'. He is using phone of a Jewish woman who has just been murdered and boasts that he 'is a hero' after killing Israelis with his 'own hands'. Room with about 200 or so independent journalists seeing everything. But according to many. Israel is faking this. Just reading the BBC article on this is harrowing, let alone watching footage of these events I read that as well but does this justify the annihilation of everyone in Gaza?" That's similar to what I was asking on other threads. What should the Israeli response be to such heinous actions? Only answer was anything except bombing from the air due to the innocent people caught in it. Personally I think being killed by soldiers on the ground and artillery or even naval gunfire is just as bad. Should Israel just do nothing? If not what is an acceptable response. In a way I can see the argument of not responding apart from better security but perhaps that would inspire Hamas to keep repeating the actions. | |||
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"I have to wonder why men, women, children, and babies being decapitated by a knife is seen as worse than being decapitated by high explosives? The end result is surely the same." Neither is ideal is it? However, do you want to see it coming? The look in someones eyes, the weapon in hand, knowing this is your last moment, or is it, will I still be alive to feel and see the act. It is barbaric! Firing a missile, shooting a gun allows an amount of distance between the person with the weapon and the victim. An attack with a knife or other weapon that takes off a head, is close and personal. If you can't see that or feel that, I would be very surprised. | |||
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"I have to wonder why men, women, children, and babies being decapitated by a knife is seen as worse than being decapitated by high explosives? The end result is surely the same. Neither is ideal is it? However, do you want to see it coming? The look in someones eyes, the weapon in hand, knowing this is your last moment, or is it, will I still be alive to feel and see the act. It is barbaric! Firing a missile, shooting a gun allows an amount of distance between the person with the weapon and the victim. An attack with a knife or other weapon that takes off a head, is close and personal. If you can't see that or feel that, I would be very surprised. " I can see that. Not sure I can explain this well... Neither you or I have ever sat in our home under a bombardment helplessly listening as explosions get closer and closer and then when it strikes, if you survive, you are plastered in the bloody remains and severed body parts of your dead family members. It’s as if killing from a distance is seen as “civilised” but up close is “barbaric”. I’d say it demotes the results to “video gameisms” where the perpetrator does not get confronted by the reality and outcomes of their actions. I’d say pressing a button/trigger to launch a missile or artillery shell just dehumanises the outcome and removes the need to be confronted by what your actions have lead to. I would say slaughtering people is barbaric full stop regardless of the method. However, the understandable outcry over the actions of Hamas are due to the horror that a human being can inflict such an awful act looking their victims in the eye. It speaks of immeasurable cruelty. | |||
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"I have to wonder why men, women, children, and babies being decapitated by a knife is seen as worse than being decapitated by high explosives? The end result is surely the same." Bombs have no sentient intent. The former is barbaric. The intent is key, no? | |||
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"I have to wonder why men, women, children, and babies being decapitated by a knife is seen as worse than being decapitated by high explosives? The end result is surely the same. Neither is ideal is it? However, do you want to see it coming? The look in someones eyes, the weapon in hand, knowing this is your last moment, or is it, will I still be alive to feel and see the act. It is barbaric! Firing a missile, shooting a gun allows an amount of distance between the person with the weapon and the victim. An attack with a knife or other weapon that takes off a head, is close and personal. If you can't see that or feel that, I would be very surprised. I can see that. Not sure I can explain this well... Neither you or I have ever sat in our home under a bombardment helplessly listening as explosions get closer and closer and then when it strikes, if you survive, you are plastered in the bloody remains and severed body parts of your dead family members. It’s as if killing from a distance is seen as “civilised” but up close is “barbaric”. I’d say it demotes the results to “video gameisms” where the perpetrator does not get confronted by the reality and outcomes of their actions. I’d say pressing a button/trigger to launch a missile or artillery shell just dehumanises the outcome and removes the need to be confronted by what your actions have lead to. I would say slaughtering people is barbaric full stop regardless of the method. However, the understandable outcry over the actions of Hamas are due to the horror that a human being can inflict such an awful act looking their victims in the eye. It speaks of immeasurable cruelty." | |||
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"I have to wonder why men, women, children, and babies being decapitated by a knife is seen as worse than being decapitated by high explosives? The end result is surely the same. Neither is ideal is it? However, do you want to see it coming? The look in someones eyes, the weapon in hand, knowing this is your last moment, or is it, will I still be alive to feel and see the act. It is barbaric! Firing a missile, shooting a gun allows an amount of distance between the person with the weapon and the victim. An attack with a knife or other weapon that takes off a head, is close and personal. If you can't see that or feel that, I would be very surprised. I can see that. Not sure I can explain this well... Neither you or I have ever sat in our home under a bombardment helplessly listening as explosions get closer and closer and then when it strikes, if you survive, you are plastered in the bloody remains and severed body parts of your dead family members. It’s as if killing from a distance is seen as “civilised” but up close is “barbaric”. I’d say it demotes the results to “video gameisms” where the perpetrator does not get confronted by the reality and outcomes of their actions. I’d say pressing a button/trigger to launch a missile or artillery shell just dehumanises the outcome and removes the need to be confronted by what your actions have lead to. I would say slaughtering people is barbaric full stop regardless of the method. However, the understandable outcry over the actions of Hamas are due to the horror that a human being can inflict such an awful act looking their victims in the eye. It speaks of immeasurable cruelty." Agreed barbarism. | |||
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"I have to wonder why men, women, children, and babies being decapitated by a knife is seen as worse than being decapitated by high explosives? The end result is surely the same." At a human level it's as much the horror of knowing you are going to have your head cut off verus the unexpected. But for me, and with my biasew, when I hear of a baby being beheadef I picture an act of choice. Someone has chosen an baby to behead and carried out the act. If we include indiscrimaye acts (which I accept is how it an be read) then it loses some meaning. The Israelis have probably beheaded via strikes. The Brits have probably beheaded germans and the Americans beheaded Iraqis. As i say, I pictured a specific act when I read this thread. I didn't think "of course there were beheaded babies, rockets were used". That's my bias, and one somewhat skewed by my image of Islam terrorists. | |||
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"I have to wonder why men, women, children, and babies being decapitated by a knife is seen as worse than being decapitated by high explosives? The end result is surely the same. Bombs have no sentient intent. The former is barbaric. The intent is key, no?" Bombs tend to be inert objects unless a human presses a button! | |||
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"I have to wonder why men, women, children, and babies being decapitated by a knife is seen as worse than being decapitated by high explosives? The end result is surely the same. At a human level it's as much the horror of knowing you are going to have your head cut off verus the unexpected. But for me, and with my biasew, when I hear of a baby being beheadef I picture an act of choice. Someone has chosen an baby to behead and carried out the act. If we include indiscrimaye acts (which I accept is how it an be read) then it loses some meaning. The Israelis have probably beheaded via strikes. The Brits have probably beheaded germans and the Americans beheaded Iraqis. As i say, I pictured a specific act when I read this thread. I didn't think "of course there were beheaded babies, rockets were used". That's my bias, and one somewhat skewed by my image of Islam terrorists. " That is a good explanation. I confess to welling up just now. I can’t believe we are even having to discuss this stuff. Simply awful. I just cannot accept innocent people (in particular children who lack agency) being killed on either side. This isn’t (for me) about one side being/doing worse than the other. It is all dreadful. Human beings are shit. | |||
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"I have to wonder why men, women, children, and babies being decapitated by a knife is seen as worse than being decapitated by high explosives? The end result is surely the same. At a human level it's as much the horror of knowing you are going to have your head cut off verus the unexpected. But for me, and with my biasew, when I hear of a baby being beheadef I picture an act of choice. Someone has chosen an baby to behead and carried out the act. If we include indiscrimaye acts (which I accept is how it an be read) then it loses some meaning. The Israelis have probably beheaded via strikes. The Brits have probably beheaded germans and the Americans beheaded Iraqis. As i say, I pictured a specific act when I read this thread. I didn't think "of course there were beheaded babies, rockets were used". That's my bias, and one somewhat skewed by my image of Islam terrorists. That is a good explanation. I confess to welling up just now. I can’t believe we are even having to discuss this stuff. Simply awful. I just cannot accept innocent people (in particular children who lack agency) being killed on either side. This isn’t (for me) about one side being/doing worse than the other. It is all dreadful. Human beings are shit." Aren't they just.. The planning and direction of how and what to do in the incursion was done with forethought and deliberately to provoke the totally understandable outrage and reaction we are seeing.. Not saying the cost in lives of innocent Palestinians is justified but those at the head of Hamas who trained and directed the butcher's knew what would happen after as did their backers.. That's chilling, that's at the level of the conference in Wannsee in 1942? | |||
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"Is the 40 baby shit? This was admitted to not being seen, just being 'heard'. Where *is* this independent pathologist stuff? Lay down some refs ffs!!! Anyone can pass on lies. And this is just a lie. Hamas are not wild, they are not perfect but they represent the people of Gaza, and they don't behead babies. It's a total lie, designed to sell an invasion of Gaza of the pre-text of evil barbarity. pt Andrew Neil is tweeting everything. Maybe take your head out the sand." So because andrew neil tweeted it we are all to beleive its true ? | |||
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"I have to wonder why men, women, children, and babies being decapitated by a knife is seen as worse than being decapitated by high explosives? The end result is surely the same. At a human level it's as much the horror of knowing you are going to have your head cut off verus the unexpected. But for me, and with my biasew, when I hear of a baby being beheadef I picture an act of choice. Someone has chosen an baby to behead and carried out the act. If we include indiscrimaye acts (which I accept is how it an be read) then it loses some meaning. The Israelis have probably beheaded via strikes. The Brits have probably beheaded germans and the Americans beheaded Iraqis. As i say, I pictured a specific act when I read this thread. I didn't think "of course there were beheaded babies, rockets were used". That's my bias, and one somewhat skewed by my image of Islam terrorists. That is a good explanation. I confess to welling up just now. I can’t believe we are even having to discuss this stuff. Simply awful. I just cannot accept innocent people (in particular children who lack agency) being killed on either side. This isn’t (for me) about one side being/doing worse than the other. It is all dreadful. Human beings are shit." | |||
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"I have to wonder why men, women, children, and babies being decapitated by a knife is seen as worse than being decapitated by high explosives? The end result is surely the same. At a human level it's as much the horror of knowing you are going to have your head cut off verus the unexpected. But for me, and with my biasew, when I hear of a baby being beheadef I picture an act of choice. Someone has chosen an baby to behead and carried out the act. If we include indiscrimaye acts (which I accept is how it an be read) then it loses some meaning. The Israelis have probably beheaded via strikes. The Brits have probably beheaded germans and the Americans beheaded Iraqis. As i say, I pictured a specific act when I read this thread. I didn't think "of course there were beheaded babies, rockets were used". That's my bias, and one somewhat skewed by my image of Islam terrorists. That is a good explanation. I confess to welling up just now. I can’t believe we are even having to discuss this stuff. Simply awful. I just cannot accept innocent people (in particular children who lack agency) being killed on either side. This isn’t (for me) about one side being/doing worse than the other. It is all dreadful. Human beings are shit." 100pc. The reports are horrific. Imagining what the poor souls went through is horiffic. A lot sounded like it was more than just "collateral damage of war" and I would not be suprised if we are seeing war crimes here. However I fear that slightly ambiguous use of language results in unhelpful debate. I can see that saying "there isn't evidence that there were beheadings (in the typical use of the word)" is then construed as being pro Hamas or Holocaust denial. I can also see that leading with beheadings in headlines and having to scroll pages to find that they can't tell if it's rocket or knife means that those whose alliances lie with Palestine see that media is biased to Israel. It feels shit unpicking some of the positioning as it does feel like we are trying to defend the indefensible. | |||
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"It seems independent pathologists from around the globe have corroborated the stories of human torture and abuse before death. I am happy with the report an verification from multiple pathologists within bias in attendance. Should israel release these images for the world to see the horror. And maybe change their minds on this war and their stances on " standing with Palestine?"" can you pls say who the multipile independent pathologists are?as i cant find any article saying that | |||
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"It was fascinating listening to the interview with the hostages this morning…. Is a weird one where it absolutely sounds like they were treated well.. which destroys some of the IDF narrative, but sounds like Hamas had been hoarding medical supplies for this for a while, which I bet is going to used by Israel not to let medical stuff in as humanitarian aid " I find this bizarre and confusing. Why treat hostages well when you have just gone on an indiscriminate murder spree? | |||
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"Just seen this post on Twitter... “How does Israel "completely destroy" Hamas when it is just the latest iteration & expression of an idea shared by millions? This is what the "military solution" argument fails to explain.” Destroy Hamas and something else will come along. We had PLO before." The PLO I remember them a terrorist organisation who became political and ended up on the whitehouse lawn. Thats reminds me of the IRA a terrorist organisation who now sit in Ireland parliament and who the USA has shown support for. Funny how things change. But then again oil wasn't an issue in those days. Goto protect that petrodollar. | |||
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"It was fascinating listening to the interview with the hostages this morning…. Is a weird one where it absolutely sounds like they were treated well.. which destroys some of the IDF narrative, but sounds like Hamas had been hoarding medical supplies for this for a while, which I bet is going to used by Israel not to let medical stuff in as humanitarian aid " Did she also call for peace? | |||
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"Just seen this post on Twitter... “How does Israel "completely destroy" Hamas when it is just the latest iteration & expression of an idea shared by millions? This is what the "military solution" argument fails to explain.” Destroy Hamas and something else will come along. We had PLO before. The PLO I remember them a terrorist organisation who became political and ended up on the whitehouse lawn. Thats reminds me of the IRA a terrorist organisation who now sit in Ireland parliament and who the USA has shown support for. Funny how things change. But then again oil wasn't an issue in those days. Goto protect that petrodollar." *Northern Ireland Yes in many cases today’s freedom fighters/terrorists (depending if you are on receiving end) are tomorrow’s politicians of newly formed/revolutionary states. But has Hamas gone too far with their brutality this time? | |||
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"It seems independent pathologists from around the globe have corroborated the stories of human torture and abuse before death. I am happy with the report an verification from multiple pathologists within bias in attendance. Should israel release these images for the world to see the horror. And maybe change their minds on this war and their stances on " standing with Palestine?"didnt realise the palastinians were responsible i thought it was hammas, if you wana see dead and burnt bodies watch some of the arab worlds news stations plenty being pulled out the rubble at momment, i do think most people think dead civillians on either side are a bad thing, although from some of the comments on the forums over the last cpl of weeks you would think dead civillians from one side are all that matters" I think the comparison of bombed and shelled people with hand mutilated people is the key difference here. The gunner, 20 miles away in Israel, or the bomb aimer at 5,000 feet, is very unlikely to see their victim. It is remote, like a computer game. They are just doing their job and unlikely to see the result. On the other hand, the Hamas fighter that picks up a crying baby, pulls out his knife and saws the baby's head off, inches from his face, probably getting its blood over his hands and clothes, requires a totally different mind set. The only reason to kill infants in war is to forward the cause of total extermination of your enemy. None of it is desirable or right but if I had a choice I would prefer to deal with the gunner or bomber. | |||
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"It was fascinating listening to the interview with the hostages this morning…. Is a weird one where it absolutely sounds like they were treated well.. which destroys some of the IDF narrative, but sounds like Hamas had been hoarding medical supplies for this for a while, which I bet is going to used by Israel not to let medical stuff in as humanitarian aid I find this bizarre and confusing. Why treat hostages well when you have just gone on an indiscriminate murder spree?" Possibly because Israel a couple of years ago swapped 5000 prisoners for one IDF soldier? I think they'll trickle release the ones with dual nationality and those who are elderly, young and those who require medical attention / have medical problems etc.. Any military they have they will hold onto.. There's pressure internally on not committing ground troops en masse not only because of the Northern border but also whilst the hostages are alive and being released albeit slowly.. Dead dual nationality hostages isn't good politically in their other countries, especially if that country is assisting in some way.. | |||
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"It was fascinating listening to the interview with the hostages this morning…. Is a weird one where it absolutely sounds like they were treated well.. which destroys some of the IDF narrative, but sounds like Hamas had been hoarding medical supplies for this for a while, which I bet is going to used by Israel not to let medical stuff in as humanitarian aid I find this bizarre and confusing. Why treat hostages well when you have just gone on an indiscriminate murder spree?" Note that all hostages released still have family/loved ones being held hostage. It would make sense for a) Hamas to release ones over whom they have some kind of remote hold and whom they have vetted in terms of likely speech after release, and (b) for those released to ensure that they say nothing to imperil the safety of those still captive. That said, we have no way of knowing and they might have been held as honoured guests. Which begs the question why they were abducted in the first instance. Or perhaps it's Stockholm Syndrome. | |||
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"Just seen this post on Twitter... “How does Israel "completely destroy" Hamas when it is just the latest iteration & expression of an idea shared by millions? This is what the "military solution" argument fails to explain.” Destroy Hamas and something else will come along. We had PLO before. The PLO I remember them a terrorist organisation who became political and ended up on the whitehouse lawn. Thats reminds me of the IRA a terrorist organisation who now sit in Ireland parliament and who the USA has shown support for. Funny how things change. But then again oil wasn't an issue in those days. Goto protect that petrodollar. *Northern Ireland Yes in many cases today’s freedom fighters/terrorists (depending if you are on receiving end) are tomorrow’s politicians of newly formed/revolutionary states. But has Hamas gone too far with their brutality this time?" Hard to answer as I believe one mans terrorist is another mans freedom fighter, which the PLO and IRA examples show. The IRA bombed my home town during their campaign in the 70's but I still supported them, and the outcome was peace well a kinda peace. So that's my mind set really, but last night I grew sick of this so sick of it, all saw was children being shot, mothers in rubble and city being flattened, and held to siege no I cannot support that no matter how it started, it needs to stop so they can talk. Your question yes they were brutal, but Israel lie they lied yesterday, so how can I trust what they say now. If Israel took a different approach they would have my attention, but to fight brutality with brutality shows they are no better. Over 5000 dead so far and boots have yet to hit the ground, told people to move south for safety and I witnessed on live T.V the area being bombed last night, so I am losing support for Israel im afraid. in my eyes they are and have been the oppressors. | |||
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"Journalists in tears as IDF shows them body cam footage of massacres by Hamas terrorists on Oct 7 with civilians and soldiers being shot, stabbed, tortured and burned merely because they were Jewish. Their corpses were bound, gagged and riddled with bullet holes and knife wounds. In one clip, a Hamas terrorist throws a grenade at a father and his son. The blast kills the father, while the young boy is covered in his blood. The child is dragged inside and forced to sit next to his brother, whose eye is a bloody mess after being subjected to horrific torture. One of the boys sobs: 'Why am I alive?' Other footage shows IDF soldiers beheaded with their headless corpses left splayed in the streets, while a contingent of female soldiers were injured by a grenade then shot at point blank range. A Hamas gunman brags on the the phone to his parents about 'killing 10 Jews'. He is using phone of a Jewish woman who has just been murdered and boasts that he 'is a hero' after killing Israelis with his 'own hands'. Room with about 200 or so independent journalists seeing everything. But according to manyIsrael is faking this. . This is utter, utter hate on your side - not the Palestinians. I not going to comment on figting the IDF (who are slaughtering children like they did when I was in school in the 80's and who have never stopped) - they will no be beheaded though by Hamas though. Like the handmade rockets, when it comes to personal vengeance of actual Palestinian people to Israeli soldiers? Who knows. This is the hell of war after all. But even then I WILL NEED TO SEE PROOF. There will never be evidence of the worst of this shit (baby killing etc) because it simply hasn't happened! Andrew Neil is an alpha nutcase. He couldn't forge a place on his fabled GBNews, and the BBC paid the bully an absolute fortune for years to say pretty-much whatever he wanted to whenever he wished to say it, the ungrateful little man. Yes Israelis have died, hostages have been taken (and looked-after BY ALL ACCOUNTS) and the retaliation by the IDF has typically been 10:1. pt" Absolutely no hate on my side. I just cant understand the holocaust type denial that its happening. What is the hate you cause me of sorry. Do you think I have posted soemthing hateful toward Palestine? A f neil a hyper nutcase now. I think you'll find many on this forum would disagree with that assertion. So your defense it. Af neil is a bully and a nutcase. Seems a well argued stance. | |||
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"I have to wonder why men, women, children, and babies being decapitated by a knife is seen as worse than being decapitated by high explosives? The end result is surely the same." Not quite. Israel forwarded about dropping bombs. And people were advised to leave gaza. You have a set of land governed by an acknowledged terrorist organisation. We still await official confirmation of children killed by Israel. Hamas invaded Israel and murdered the children and tortured them and this has been verified independently. The sets of circumstances of both are completely different | |||
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"Is the 40 baby shit? This was admitted to not being seen, just being 'heard'. Where *is* this independent pathologist stuff? Lay down some refs ffs!!! Anyone can pass on lies. And this is just a lie. Hamas are not wild, they are not perfect but they represent the people of Gaza, and they don't behead babies. It's a total lie, designed to sell an invasion of Gaza of the pre-text of evil barbarity. pt Andrew Neil is tweeting everything. Maybe take your head out the sand. So because andrew neil tweeted it we are all to beleive its true ?" Andrew Neil is tweeting other journalists who are confirming what they're seeing And is one of the single most respected journalists in the entire globe. | |||
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"Sadly I think there are many people in the Uk and Europe who just think that the Jews are asking for it. We have made little progress since the 1930’s. Agreed. Its now verging on holocaust denial, what is being said. Im sorry but are you the same guy who debated hitler was a socialist? Now you're discussing holocaust denial, come on my man. or was your hitler thread a wind up." I was the one who proved Hitler wa socialist yes. Regardless of what 1 or 2 people on here deny. So yes I am commenting on this. | |||
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"Journalists in tears as IDF shows them body cam footage of massacres by Hamas terrorists on Oct 7 with civilians and soldiers being shot, stabbed, tortured and burned merely because they were Jewish. Their corpses were bound, gagged and riddled with bullet holes and knife wounds. In one clip, a Hamas terrorist throws a grenade at a father and his son. The blast kills the father, while the young boy is covered in his blood. The child is dragged inside and forced to sit next to his brother, whose eye is a bloody mess after being subjected to horrific torture. One of the boys sobs: 'Why am I alive?' Other footage shows IDF soldiers beheaded with their headless corpses left splayed in the streets, while a contingent of female soldiers were injured by a grenade then shot at point blank range. A Hamas gunman brags on the the phone to his parents about 'killing 10 Jews'. He is using phone of a Jewish woman who has just been murdered and boasts that he 'is a hero' after killing Israelis with his 'own hands'. Room with about 200 or so independent journalists seeing everything. But according to manyIsrael is faking this. . This is utter, utter hate on your side - not the Palestinians. I not going to comment on figting the IDF (who are slaughtering children like they did when I was in school in the 80's and who have never stopped) - they will no be beheaded though by Hamas though. Like the handmade rockets, when it comes to personal vengeance of actual Palestinian people to Israeli soldiers? Who knows. This is the hell of war after all. But even then I WILL NEED TO SEE PROOF. There will never be evidence of the worst of this shit (baby killing etc) because it simply hasn't happened! Andrew Neil is an alpha nutcase. He couldn't forge a place on his fabled GBNews, and the BBC paid the bully an absolute fortune for years to say pretty-much whatever he wanted to whenever he wished to say it, the ungrateful little man. Yes Israelis have died, hostages have been taken (and looked-after BY ALL ACCOUNTS) and the retaliation by the IDF has typically been 10:1. pt Absolutely no hate on my side. I just cant understand the holocaust type denial that its happening. What is the hate you cause me of sorry. Do you think I have posted soemthing hateful toward Palestine? A f neil a hyper nutcase now. I think you'll find many on this forum would disagree with that assertion. So your defense it. Af neil is a bully and a nutcase. Seems a well argued stance." All I am saying is that I have yet to see reported what you have said and have watched the news all morning. I do not use social media so I cannot look at twitter. | |||
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"Journalists in tears as IDF shows them body cam footage of massacres by Hamas terrorists on Oct 7 with civilians and soldiers being shot, stabbed, tortured and burned merely because they were Jewish. Their corpses were bound, gagged and riddled with bullet holes and knife wounds. In one clip, a Hamas terrorist throws a grenade at a father and his son. The blast kills the father, while the young boy is covered in his blood. The child is dragged inside and forced to sit next to his brother, whose eye is a bloody mess after being subjected to horrific torture. One of the boys sobs: 'Why am I alive?' Other footage shows IDF soldiers beheaded with their headless corpses left splayed in the streets, while a contingent of female soldiers were injured by a grenade then shot at point blank range. A Hamas gunman brags on the the phone to his parents about 'killing 10 Jews'. He is using phone of a Jewish woman who has just been murdered and boasts that he 'is a hero' after killing Israelis with his 'own hands'. Room with about 200 or so independent journalists seeing everything. But according to manyIsrael is faking this. . This is utter, utter hate on your side - not the Palestinians. I not going to comment on figting the IDF (who are slaughtering children like they did when I was in school in the 80's and who have never stopped) - they will no be beheaded though by Hamas though. Like the handmade rockets, when it comes to personal vengeance of actual Palestinian people to Israeli soldiers? Who knows. This is the hell of war after all. But even then I WILL NEED TO SEE PROOF. There will never be evidence of the worst of this shit (baby killing etc) because it simply hasn't happened! Andrew Neil is an alpha nutcase. He couldn't forge a place on his fabled GBNews, and the BBC paid the bully an absolute fortune for years to say pretty-much whatever he wanted to whenever he wished to say it, the ungrateful little man. Yes Israelis have died, hostages have been taken (and looked-after BY ALL ACCOUNTS) and the retaliation by the IDF has typically been 10:1. pt Absolutely no hate on my side. I just cant understand the holocaust type denial that its happening. What is the hate you cause me of sorry. Do you think I have posted soemthing hateful toward Palestine? A f neil a hyper nutcase now. I think you'll find many on this forum would disagree with that assertion. So your defense it. Af neil is a bully and a nutcase. Seems a well argued stance. All I am saying is that I have yet to see reported what you have said and have watched the news all morning. I do not use social media so I cannot look at twitter." OK so your preferred new outlet isn't reporting it. And you bury your head din the sand with others. Thanks ffor the clarification. | |||
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"Sadly I think there are many people in the Uk and Europe who just think that the Jews are asking for it. We have made little progress since the 1930’s. Agreed. Its now verging on holocaust denial, what is being said. Im sorry but are you the same guy who debated hitler was a socialist? Now you're discussing holocaust denial, come on my man. or was your hitler thread a wind up. I was the one who proved Hitler wa socialist yes. Regardless of what 1 or 2 people on here deny. So yes I am commenting on this. " Oh lawd. Let’s really really not do this or hijack this thread. You were proven wrong about Hitler and the Nazis being Socialists, you won’t agree but there it is. But seriously, let’s not go there in this thread as we are dealing with an absolutely terrible current situation rather than a historical one. We can both do our nazi argument willy waving in a different thread if either of us can really be arsed! But not here. Deal?  | |||
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"Journalists in tears as IDF shows them body cam footage of massacres by Hamas terrorists on Oct 7 with civilians and soldiers being shot, stabbed, tortured and burned merely because they were Jewish. Their corpses were bound, gagged and riddled with bullet holes and knife wounds. In one clip, a Hamas terrorist throws a grenade at a father and his son. The blast kills the father, while the young boy is covered in his blood. The child is dragged inside and forced to sit next to his brother, whose eye is a bloody mess after being subjected to horrific torture. One of the boys sobs: 'Why am I alive?' Other footage shows IDF soldiers beheaded with their headless corpses left splayed in the streets, while a contingent of female soldiers were injured by a grenade then shot at point blank range. A Hamas gunman brags on the the phone to his parents about 'killing 10 Jews'. He is using phone of a Jewish woman who has just been murdered and boasts that he 'is a hero' after killing Israelis with his 'own hands'. Room with about 200 or so independent journalists seeing everything. But according to manyIsrael is faking this. . This is utter, utter hate on your side - not the Palestinians. I not going to comment on figting the IDF (who are slaughtering children like they did when I was in school in the 80's and who have never stopped) - they will no be beheaded though by Hamas though. Like the handmade rockets, when it comes to personal vengeance of actual Palestinian people to Israeli soldiers? Who knows. This is the hell of war after all. But even then I WILL NEED TO SEE PROOF. There will never be evidence of the worst of this shit (baby killing etc) because it simply hasn't happened! Andrew Neil is an alpha nutcase. He couldn't forge a place on his fabled GBNews, and the BBC paid the bully an absolute fortune for years to say pretty-much whatever he wanted to whenever he wished to say it, the ungrateful little man. Yes Israelis have died, hostages have been taken (and looked-after BY ALL ACCOUNTS) and the retaliation by the IDF has typically been 10:1. pt Absolutely no hate on my side. I just cant understand the holocaust type denial that its happening. What is the hate you cause me of sorry. Do you think I have posted soemthing hateful toward Palestine? A f neil a hyper nutcase now. I think you'll find many on this forum would disagree with that assertion. So your defense it. Af neil is a bully and a nutcase. Seems a well argued stance. All I am saying is that I have yet to see reported what you have said and have watched the news all morning. I do not use social media so I cannot look at twitter. OK so your preferred new outlet isn't reporting it. And you bury your head din the sand with others. Thanks ffor the clarification. " Hey you don't treat me such I am not disrespecting you. I have watched the BBC as they are live reporting, and it is my preference not to use mainstream social media, as is yours to use it. | |||
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"Sadly I think there are many people in the Uk and Europe who just think that the Jews are asking for it. We have made little progress since the 1930’s. Agreed. Its now verging on holocaust denial, what is being said. Im sorry but are you the same guy who debated hitler was a socialist? Now you're discussing holocaust denial, come on my man. or was your hitler thread a wind up. I was the one who proved Hitler wa socialist yes. Regardless of what 1 or 2 people on here deny. So yes I am commenting on this. Oh lawd. Let’s really really not do this or hijack this thread. You were proven wrong about Hitler and the Nazis being Socialists, you won’t agree but there it is. But seriously, let’s not go there in this thread as we are dealing with an absolutely terrible current situation rather than a historical one. We can both do our nazi argument willy waving in a different thread if either of us can really be arsed! But not here. Deal? "I saw it as a contradiction, but yes deal from me. | |||
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"I have to wonder why men, women, children, and babies being decapitated by a knife is seen as worse than being decapitated by high explosives? The end result is surely the same. Not quite. Israel forwarded about dropping bombs. And people were advised to leave gaza. You have a set of land governed by an acknowledged terrorist organisation. We still await official confirmation of children killed by Israel. Hamas invaded Israel and murdered the children and tortured them and this has been verified independently. The sets of circumstances of both are completely different" I think you have extrapolated what I have said to include process. I am talking in simple terms. People are being killed (decapitated) and the only difference is weapon of choice and therefore the required proximity of the killer. The end result is the same. Dead/killed civilians. However, subsequent discussion with others here has covered the different mindset required to use a bladed weapon vs pressing a button/trigger a long distance away. | |||
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"Is the 40 baby shit? This was admitted to not being seen, just being 'heard'. Where *is* this independent pathologist stuff? Lay down some refs ffs!!! Anyone can pass on lies. And this is just a lie. Hamas are not wild, they are not perfect but they represent the people of Gaza, and they don't behead babies. It's a total lie, designed to sell an invasion of Gaza of the pre-text of evil barbarity. pt Andrew Neil is tweeting everything. Maybe take your head out the sand. So because andrew neil tweeted it we are all to beleive its true ? Andrew Neil is tweeting other journalists who are confirming what they're seeing And is one of the single most respected journalists in the entire globe. " you do realise twitter isnt a news outlet dont you? And journos are saying this, yet no one else has seen what they sat they have seen, dont get me wrong some horrific shit happend, but beheaded babys is bollox and the chemical weapons instructions found on one of the dead hammas fighters i call bullshit on that to, do they expect us to belive he was gona knock up some chemical weapons while they were also running around killing people? | |||
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"Is the 40 baby shit? This was admitted to not being seen, just being 'heard'. Where *is* this independent pathologist stuff? Lay down some refs ffs!!! Anyone can pass on lies. And this is just a lie. Hamas are not wild, they are not perfect but they represent the people of Gaza, and they don't behead babies. It's a total lie, designed to sell an invasion of Gaza of the pre-text of evil barbarity. pt Andrew Neil is tweeting everything. Maybe take your head out the sand. So because andrew neil tweeted it we are all to beleive its true ? Andrew Neil is tweeting other journalists who are confirming what they're seeing And is one of the single most respected journalists in the entire globe. you do realise twitter isnt a news outlet dont you? And journos are saying this, yet no one else has seen what they sat they have seen, dont get me wrong some horrific shit happend, but beheaded babys is bollox and the chemical weapons instructions found on one of the dead hammas fighters i call bullshit on that to, do they expect us to belive he was gona knock up some chemical weapons while they were also running around killing people? " Yes I saw the chemical weapons crap and it was a reporter who used twitter to expose the lie and further more it was the Israeli P.M who said this lie. If Israel didn't do this I wouldn't have a thing to say. So it makes the truth hard to find. And I was told once a lie is told never believe them again. | |||
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"I have to wonder why men, women, children, and babies being decapitated by a knife is seen as worse than being decapitated by high explosives? The end result is surely the same. Not quite. Israel forwarded about dropping bombs. And people were advised to leave gaza. You have a set of land governed by an acknowledged terrorist organisation. We still await official confirmation of children killed by Israel. Hamas invaded Israel and murdered the children and tortured them and this has been verified independently. The sets of circumstances of both are completely different" Last night the reporter who is in Gaza was doing a live broadcast when he had to pause as we heard two missiles land, I give it two him he stayed and kept reporting, guess were he reported from ..... Yeh the south the place they were told to go to be safe. Please support who you wish, but please let the truth be known. | |||
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"Is the 40 baby shit? This was admitted to not being seen, just being 'heard'. Where *is* this independent pathologist stuff? Lay down some refs ffs!!! Anyone can pass on lies. And this is just a lie. Hamas are not wild, they are not perfect but they represent the people of Gaza, and they don't behead babies. It's a total lie, designed to sell an invasion of Gaza of the pre-text of evil barbarity. pt Andrew Neil is tweeting everything. Maybe take your head out the sand. So because andrew neil tweeted it we are all to beleive its true ? Andrew Neil is tweeting other journalists who are confirming what they're seeing And is one of the single most respected journalists in the entire globe. you do realise twitter isnt a news outlet dont you? And journos are saying this, yet no one else has seen what they sat they have seen, dont get me wrong some horrific shit happend, but beheaded babys is bollox and the chemical weapons instructions found on one of the dead hammas fighters i call bullshit on that to, do they expect us to belive he was gona knock up some chemical weapons while they were also running around killing people? Yes I saw the chemical weapons crap and it was a reporter who used twitter to expose the lie and further more it was the Israeli P.M who said this lie. If Israel didn't do this I wouldn't have a thing to say. So it makes the truth hard to find. And I was told once a lie is told never believe them again." It's not that hard to make a chemical weapon. Militaries do pass out SOP leaflets as to dictate the battlefield goals. Not that hard to believe. | |||
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"Is the 40 baby shit? This was admitted to not being seen, just being 'heard'. Where *is* this independent pathologist stuff? Lay down some refs ffs!!! Anyone can pass on lies. And this is just a lie. Hamas are not wild, they are not perfect but they represent the people of Gaza, and they don't behead babies. It's a total lie, designed to sell an invasion of Gaza of the pre-text of evil barbarity. pt Andrew Neil is tweeting everything. Maybe take your head out the sand. So because andrew neil tweeted it we are all to beleive its true ? Andrew Neil is tweeting other journalists who are confirming what they're seeing And is one of the single most respected journalists in the entire globe. you do realise twitter isnt a news outlet dont you? And journos are saying this, yet no one else has seen what they sat they have seen, dont get me wrong some horrific shit happend, but beheaded babys is bollox and the chemical weapons instructions found on one of the dead hammas fighters i call bullshit on that to, do they expect us to belive he was gona knock up some chemical weapons while they were also running around killing people? Yes I saw the chemical weapons crap and it was a reporter who used twitter to expose the lie and further more it was the Israeli P.M who said this lie. If Israel didn't do this I wouldn't have a thing to say. So it makes the truth hard to find. And I was told once a lie is told never believe them again. It's not that hard to make a chemical weapon. Militaries do pass out SOP leaflets as to dictate the battlefield goals. Not that hard to believe." yea yea yea blu we already know u swallow watever the isreali goverment put out even when iys proved to be rubbish, everyone knows they slaughtered people but to then come up with rubbish about beheaded babys just makes people think wat else is rubbish that they are saying | |||
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"Is the 40 baby shit? This was admitted to not being seen, just being 'heard'. Where *is* this independent pathologist stuff? Lay down some refs ffs!!! Anyone can pass on lies. And this is just a lie. Hamas are not wild, they are not perfect but they represent the people of Gaza, and they don't behead babies. It's a total lie, designed to sell an invasion of Gaza of the pre-text of evil barbarity. pt Andrew Neil is tweeting everything. Maybe take your head out the sand. So because andrew neil tweeted it we are all to beleive its true ? Andrew Neil is tweeting other journalists who are confirming what they're seeing And is one of the single most respected journalists in the entire globe. you do realise twitter isnt a news outlet dont you? And journos are saying this, yet no one else has seen what they sat they have seen, dont get me wrong some horrific shit happend, but beheaded babys is bollox and the chemical weapons instructions found on one of the dead hammas fighters i call bullshit on that to, do they expect us to belive he was gona knock up some chemical weapons while they were also running around killing people? Yes I saw the chemical weapons crap and it was a reporter who used twitter to expose the lie and further more it was the Israeli P.M who said this lie. If Israel didn't do this I wouldn't have a thing to say. So it makes the truth hard to find. And I was told once a lie is told never believe them again. It's not that hard to make a chemical weapon. Militaries do pass out SOP leaflets as to dictate the battlefield goals. Not that hard to believe.yea yea yea blu we already know u swallow watever the isreali goverment put out even when iys proved to be rubbish, everyone knows they slaughtered people but to then come up with rubbish about beheaded babys just makes people think wat else is rubbish that they are saying" go get bleach and vinegar mix them together and get back to me.Lets see who is the naive one. | |||
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"Is the 40 baby shit? This was admitted to not being seen, just being 'heard'. Where *is* this independent pathologist stuff? Lay down some refs ffs!!! Anyone can pass on lies. And this is just a lie. Hamas are not wild, they are not perfect but they represent the people of Gaza, and they don't behead babies. It's a total lie, designed to sell an invasion of Gaza of the pre-text of evil barbarity. pt Andrew Neil is tweeting everything. Maybe take your head out the sand. So because andrew neil tweeted it we are all to beleive its true ? Andrew Neil is tweeting other journalists who are confirming what they're seeing And is one of the single most respected journalists in the entire globe. you do realise twitter isnt a news outlet dont you? And journos are saying this, yet no one else has seen what they sat they have seen, dont get me wrong some horrific shit happend, but beheaded babys is bollox and the chemical weapons instructions found on one of the dead hammas fighters i call bullshit on that to, do they expect us to belive he was gona knock up some chemical weapons while they were also running around killing people? Yes I saw the chemical weapons crap and it was a reporter who used twitter to expose the lie and further more it was the Israeli P.M who said this lie. If Israel didn't do this I wouldn't have a thing to say. So it makes the truth hard to find. And I was told once a lie is told never believe them again. It's not that hard to make a chemical weapon. Militaries do pass out SOP leaflets as to dictate the battlefield goals. Not that hard to believe." Trouble is it has been proven a lie, they found that SOP in the belongings of the terrorist yes I said it. that flew those planes in to your twin towers. So yeh very hard to believe as it has been disproven. Then they said it was on a hard drive stick, so any Hamas fighter would need a laptop or computer or device which accepted a stick to access the info, look in cupboards to find chemicals whilst under fire from the IDF. | |||
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"Is the 40 baby shit? This was admitted to not being seen, just being 'heard'. Where *is* this independent pathologist stuff? Lay down some refs ffs!!! Anyone can pass on lies. And this is just a lie. Hamas are not wild, they are not perfect but they represent the people of Gaza, and they don't behead babies. It's a total lie, designed to sell an invasion of Gaza of the pre-text of evil barbarity. pt Andrew Neil is tweeting everything. Maybe take your head out the sand. So because andrew neil tweeted it we are all to beleive its true ? Andrew Neil is tweeting other journalists who are confirming what they're seeing And is one of the single most respected journalists in the entire globe. you do realise twitter isnt a news outlet dont you? And journos are saying this, yet no one else has seen what they sat they have seen, dont get me wrong some horrific shit happend, but beheaded babys is bollox and the chemical weapons instructions found on one of the dead hammas fighters i call bullshit on that to, do they expect us to belive he was gona knock up some chemical weapons while they were also running around killing people? Yes I saw the chemical weapons crap and it was a reporter who used twitter to expose the lie and further more it was the Israeli P.M who said this lie. If Israel didn't do this I wouldn't have a thing to say. So it makes the truth hard to find. And I was told once a lie is told never believe them again. It's not that hard to make a chemical weapon. Militaries do pass out SOP leaflets as to dictate the battlefield goals. Not that hard to believe.yea yea yea blu we already know u swallow watever the isreali goverment put out even when iys proved to be rubbish, everyone knows they slaughtered people but to then come up with rubbish about beheaded babys just makes people think wat else is rubbish that they are saying go get bleach and vinegar mix them together and get back to me.Lets see who is the naive one. " Just a heads up but to tell how to make a chemical weapon is against the law here, just a heads up. | |||
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"Is the 40 baby shit? This was admitted to not being seen, just being 'heard'. Where *is* this independent pathologist stuff? Lay down some refs ffs!!! Anyone can pass on lies. And this is just a lie. Hamas are not wild, they are not perfect but they represent the people of Gaza, and they don't behead babies. It's a total lie, designed to sell an invasion of Gaza of the pre-text of evil barbarity. pt Andrew Neil is tweeting everything. Maybe take your head out the sand. So because andrew neil tweeted it we are all to beleive its true ? Andrew Neil is tweeting other journalists who are confirming what they're seeing And is one of the single most respected journalists in the entire globe. you do realise twitter isnt a news outlet dont you? And journos are saying this, yet no one else has seen what they sat they have seen, dont get me wrong some horrific shit happend, but beheaded babys is bollox and the chemical weapons instructions found on one of the dead hammas fighters i call bullshit on that to, do they expect us to belive he was gona knock up some chemical weapons while they were also running around killing people? Yes I saw the chemical weapons crap and it was a reporter who used twitter to expose the lie and further more it was the Israeli P.M who said this lie. If Israel didn't do this I wouldn't have a thing to say. So it makes the truth hard to find. And I was told once a lie is told never believe them again. It's not that hard to make a chemical weapon. Militaries do pass out SOP leaflets as to dictate the battlefield goals. Not that hard to believe.yea yea yea blu we already know u swallow watever the isreali goverment put out even when iys proved to be rubbish, everyone knows they slaughtered people but to then come up with rubbish about beheaded babys just makes people think wat else is rubbish that they are saying go get bleach and vinegar mix them together and get back to me.Lets see who is the naive one. Just a heads up but to tell how to make a chemical weapon is against the law here, just a heads up." exactly so to say it's not possible. It's possible and that is a fact. Simple chemistry. | |||
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"Sadly I think there are many people in the Uk and Europe who just think that the Jews are asking for it. We have made little progress since the 1930’s. Agreed. Its now verging on holocaust denial, what is being said. Im sorry but are you the same guy who debated hitler was a socialist? Now you're discussing holocaust denial, come on my man. or was your hitler thread a wind up. I was the one who STATED Hitler wa socialist yes. Regardless of what 1 or 2 people on here deny. So yes I am commenting on this. " Corrected  | |||
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"I have to wonder why men, women, children, and babies being decapitated by a knife is seen as worse than being decapitated by high explosives? The end result is surely the same. Bombs have no sentient intent. The former is barbaric. The intent is key, no? Bombs tend to be inert objects unless a human presses a button!" I should have put individual intent is key. However, neither is right. Perhaps look at it as (death by) war is wrong and (death by) brutality is evil. | |||
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"Is the 40 baby shit? This was admitted to not being seen, just being 'heard'. Where *is* this independent pathologist stuff? Lay down some refs ffs!!! Anyone can pass on lies. And this is just a lie. Hamas are not wild, they are not perfect but they represent the people of Gaza, and they don't behead babies. It's a total lie, designed to sell an invasion of Gaza of the pre-text of evil barbarity. pt Andrew Neil is tweeting everything. Maybe take your head out the sand. So because andrew neil tweeted it we are all to beleive its true ? Andrew Neil is tweeting other journalists who are confirming what they're seeing And is one of the single most respected journalists in the entire globe. you do realise twitter isnt a news outlet dont you? And journos are saying this, yet no one else has seen what they sat they have seen, dont get me wrong some horrific shit happend, but beheaded babys is bollox and the chemical weapons instructions found on one of the dead hammas fighters i call bullshit on that to, do they expect us to belive he was gona knock up some chemical weapons while they were also running around killing people? Yes I saw the chemical weapons crap and it was a reporter who used twitter to expose the lie and further more it was the Israeli P.M who said this lie. If Israel didn't do this I wouldn't have a thing to say. So it makes the truth hard to find. And I was told once a lie is told never believe them again. It's not that hard to make a chemical weapon. Militaries do pass out SOP leaflets as to dictate the battlefield goals. Not that hard to believe.yea yea yea blu we already know u swallow watever the isreali goverment put out even when iys proved to be rubbish, everyone knows they slaughtered people but to then come up with rubbish about beheaded babys just makes people think wat else is rubbish that they are saying go get bleach and vinegar mix them together and get back to me.Lets see who is the naive one. " u really think the guy would stop in the middle of slaughterin peoole to knock up a chemical weapon lol like i said u swallow watever the Israeli goverment say lol | |||
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"Is the 40 baby shit? This was admitted to not being seen, just being 'heard'. Where *is* this independent pathologist stuff? Lay down some refs ffs!!! Anyone can pass on lies. And this is just a lie. Hamas are not wild, they are not perfect but they represent the people of Gaza, and they don't behead babies. It's a total lie, designed to sell an invasion of Gaza of the pre-text of evil barbarity. pt Andrew Neil is tweeting everything. Maybe take your head out the sand. So because andrew neil tweeted it we are all to beleive its true ? Andrew Neil is tweeting other journalists who are confirming what they're seeing And is one of the single most respected journalists in the entire globe. you do realise twitter isnt a news outlet dont you? And journos are saying this, yet no one else has seen what they sat they have seen, dont get me wrong some horrific shit happend, but beheaded babys is bollox and the chemical weapons instructions found on one of the dead hammas fighters i call bullshit on that to, do they expect us to belive he was gona knock up some chemical weapons while they were also running around killing people? Yes I saw the chemical weapons crap and it was a reporter who used twitter to expose the lie and further more it was the Israeli P.M who said this lie. If Israel didn't do this I wouldn't have a thing to say. So it makes the truth hard to find. And I was told once a lie is told never believe them again. It's not that hard to make a chemical weapon. Militaries do pass out SOP leaflets as to dictate the battlefield goals. Not that hard to believe.yea yea yea blu we already know u swallow watever the isreali goverment put out even when iys proved to be rubbish, everyone knows they slaughtered people but to then come up with rubbish about beheaded babys just makes people think wat else is rubbish that they are saying go get bleach and vinegar mix them together and get back to me.Lets see who is the naive one. Just a heads up but to tell how to make a chemical weapon is against the law here, just a heads up. exactly so to say it's not possible. It's possible and that is a fact. Simple chemistry." For me it is not about the possible I m sure it is, but that it was a lie, and my issue is how can I believe it, they do themselves no favours, and they even lied to your government over the murder of a reporter so again they do themselves no favours. | |||
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"“Yocheved Lifschitz - one of two hostages freed by Hamas on Monday - says: "I went through hell, that I could not have known" Speaking to the media with her daughter from a hospital in Tel Aviv, the 85-year-old described how she was kidnp by Hamas gunmen on motorbikes Lifschitz and her fellow captives were hit with sticks and taken into a "spider's web" of underground tunnels” Sounds very unpleasant to be honest thank god they have been released. Let’s hope their husbands are released to. " i can tell you now no males over 16 will be getting released and none of the idf male or female will be getting released, prop women and children and that will be it | |||
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