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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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It's been on the news, where a single mother was kicked out of a private rental because the owner was selling up.
She now in a small hotel room, paid for Bournemouth council I think.
A few weeks ago I bumped into someone I know who's in the same trouble.
He managed to get his mentally handicapped son a place with his sister after spending 100 per night in a hotel.
Spent a few nights sleeping rough and on my settee for s few nights before arranging to cash in his pension, and pay for a rental paying one years rental in advance.
After that he's got nothing in his bank account.
So, how long before another disaster looming on the horizon going to visit the Tories?
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"It's been on the news, where a single mother was kicked out of a private rental because the owner was selling up.
She now in a small hotel room, paid for Bournemouth council I think.
A few weeks ago I bumped into someone I know who's in the same trouble.
He managed to get his mentally handicapped son a place with his sister after spending 100 per night in a hotel.
Spent a few nights sleeping rough and on my settee for s few nights before arranging to cash in his pension, and pay for a rental paying one years rental in advance.
After that he's got nothing in his bank account.
So, how long before another disaster looming on the horizon going to visit the Tories?
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Whilst I'm sympathetic, if the owner wants to sell up that's their decision. |
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"It's been on the news, where a single mother was kicked out of a private rental because the owner was selling up.
She now in a small hotel room, paid for Bournemouth council I think.
A few weeks ago I bumped into someone I know who's in the same trouble.
He managed to get his mentally handicapped son a place with his sister after spending 100 per night in a hotel.
Spent a few nights sleeping rough and on my settee for s few nights before arranging to cash in his pension, and pay for a rental paying one years rental in advance.
After that he's got nothing in his bank account.
So, how long before another disaster looming on the horizon going to visit the Tories?
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. It is difficult to see how we can specifically blame the Tory party for the crisis. It is the fault of all parties and society in general. We can only reflect on a number of factors causing it .
A breakdown in family values has meant more divorced people which in turn has created further demand on accommodation for families where only one parent lives at home ..
The birth rate of the British Native population has remained relatively constant . We have imported our demand for additional housing due to a high level of immigration. This problem is further compounded by the fact that these people tend to give birth at a relatively young age.
It was a very short sighted policy to allow freedon of movement just to gain access to cheap labour. To state the obvious these people will themselves become old eventually and place a demand on the NHS
Selling off council houses without building more has not helped the situation. However we do have a lot more social housing associations.
Quite a few people these days do not want to make sacrifices , they expect society to pick up the tab and help them out .
Whilst those in genuine need should be helped we need to clamp down hard on those milking the system .
A much greater emphasis should be placed on family values and the benefits of marriage .
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"It's been on the news, where a single mother was kicked out of a private rental because the owner was selling up.
She now in a small hotel room, paid for Bournemouth council I think.
A few weeks ago I bumped into someone I know who's in the same trouble.
He managed to get his mentally handicapped son a place with his sister after spending 100 per night in a hotel.
Spent a few nights sleeping rough and on my settee for s few nights before arranging to cash in his pension, and pay for a rental paying one years rental in advance.
After that he's got nothing in his bank account.
So, how long before another disaster looming on the horizon going to visit the Tories?
. It is difficult to see how we can specifically blame the Tory party for the crisis. It is the fault of all parties and society in general. We can only reflect on a number of factors causing it .
A breakdown in family values has meant more divorced people which in turn has created further demand on accommodation for families where only one parent lives at home ..
The birth rate of the British Native population has remained relatively constant . We have imported our demand for additional housing due to a high level of immigration. This problem is further compounded by the fact that these people tend to give birth at a relatively young age.
It was a very short sighted policy to allow freedon of movement just to gain access to cheap labour. To state the obvious these people will themselves become old eventually and place a demand on the NHS
Selling off council houses without building more has not helped the situation. However we do have a lot more social housing associations.
Quite a few people these days do not want to make sacrifices , they expect society to pick up the tab and help them out .
Whilst those in genuine need should be helped we need to clamp down hard on those milking the system .
A much greater emphasis should be placed on family values and the benefits of marriage .
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also, old people being stubborn and not dying. Or not fucking off to Spain. |
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I recently met someone in the construction sector. The population in this country is increasing. So we have to increase housing. How do we do that?
You expand vertically or horizontally. Expanding horizontally is hard because of green belts. Expanding vertically is hard because of Nimbyism.
Also, many old couple are living alone in huge houses. We should provide incentives for them to downsize. The government should consider cutting stamp duty for people downsizing. |
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I think developers now have to build 1 social house per 3 private built. But for 3 decades they haven't been building.
Why would they when house prices kept going up from bofe and chancellors policies on stamp duty.
You earned more sitting on the land. Though now they have a set time to build on the land they've built or lose it.
I have no problem selling social housing( I wouldn't offer such heavy discounts as are available perosnally) but it helps those on a lower end get a house eventually
But youcmust replenish the stock.
I think though those in social housing need to accpet they must move.
Inwouldnt let housing be a local countries problem but should be organised centrally.
I think the bedroom tax is brilliant.
Once your kids have grown up if you have 3 in a 4 bedroom house and 2 leave. Downsize or lose all benefits.
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over a year ago
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"I think developers now have to build 1 social house per 3 private built. But for 3 decades they haven't been building.
Why would they when house prices kept going up from bofe and chancellors policies on stamp duty.
You earned more sitting on the land. Though now they have a set time to build on the land they've built or lose it.
I have no problem selling social housing( I wouldn't offer such heavy discounts as are available perosnally) but it helps those on a lower end get a house eventually
But youcmust replenish the stock.
I think though those in social housing need to accpet they must move.
Inwouldnt let housing be a local countries problem but should be organised centrally.
I think the bedroom tax is brilliant.
Once your kids have grown up if you have 3 in a 4 bedroom house and 2 leave. Downsize or lose all benefits.
"
we are largely on the same page. Common ground!
I don't think we should ouch as much stock (excuse the pun) in the emotional attachment of a family home. (Tho that may reflect on my childhood... Therapists comment here!)
Social housing should be for the good of society. Even if that means some harder individual outcomes. |
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"I think developers now have to build 1 social house per 3 private built. But for 3 decades they haven't been building.
Why would they when house prices kept going up from bofe and chancellors policies on stamp duty.
You earned more sitting on the land. Though now they have a set time to build on the land they've built or lose it.
I have no problem selling social housing( I wouldn't offer such heavy discounts as are available perosnally) but it helps those on a lower end get a house eventually
But youcmust replenish the stock.
I think though those in social housing need to accpet they must move.
Inwouldnt let housing be a local countries problem but should be organised centrally.
I think the bedroom tax is brilliant.
Once your kids have grown up if you have 3 in a 4 bedroom house and 2 leave. Downsize or lose all benefits.
we are largely on the same page. Common ground!
I don't think we should ouch as much stock (excuse the pun) in the emotional attachment of a family home. (Tho that may reflect on my childhood... Therapists comment here!)
Social housing should be for the good of society. Even if that means some harder individual outcomes. "
Hastings most of it is run by Southern Housing. There is not enough for sure. What there is, is in pore condition 80% of it and new is beig built as menshend above but its one home for every 3 so build 30 flats 1&2 bed and you can build 100 4 bed houses.
Government needes to look a demolitioning old houses with 100ft gardens and re building family homes. At the same time more disabled bungalows for the old. Then they might want to down size. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"I think developers now have to build 1 social house per 3 private built. But for 3 decades they haven't been building.
Why would they when house prices kept going up from bofe and chancellors policies on stamp duty.
You earned more sitting on the land. Though now they have a set time to build on the land they've built or lose it.
I have no problem selling social housing( I wouldn't offer such heavy discounts as are available perosnally) but it helps those on a lower end get a house eventually
But youcmust replenish the stock.
I think though those in social housing need to accpet they must move.
Inwouldnt let housing be a local countries problem but should be organised centrally.
I think the bedroom tax is brilliant.
Once your kids have grown up if you have 3 in a 4 bedroom house and 2 leave. Downsize or lose all benefits.
we are largely on the same page. Common ground!
I don't think we should ouch as much stock (excuse the pun) in the emotional attachment of a family home. (Tho that may reflect on my childhood... Therapists comment here!)
Social housing should be for the good of society. Even if that means some harder individual outcomes.
Hastings most of it is run by Southern Housing. There is not enough for sure. What there is, is in pore condition 80% of it and new is beig built as menshend above but its one home for every 3 so build 30 flats 1&2 bed and you can build 100 4 bed houses.
Government needes to look a demolitioning old houses with 100ft gardens and re building family homes. At the same time more disabled bungalows for the old. Then they might want to down size."
Major problem for sure is the cost .. demolition as well as legal and building costs.
Will be a long too for sure.... Decades.. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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I think the answer here is to force people who own houses to put up people who need a house free of charge.
Something like the Ukraine refugee scheme. But with less money on offer for the owners. |
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over a year ago
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"I think the answer here is to force people who own houses to put up people who need a house free of charge.
Something like the Ukraine refugee scheme. But with less money on offer for the owners."
Stop gap method possibly while the whole mess is sorted
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"It's been on the news, where a single mother was kicked out of a private rental because the owner was selling up.
She now in a small hotel room, paid for Bournemouth council I think.
A few weeks ago I bumped into someone I know who's in the same trouble.
He managed to get his mentally handicapped son a place with his sister after spending 100 per night in a hotel.
Spent a few nights sleeping rough and on my settee for s few nights before arranging to cash in his pension, and pay for a rental paying one years rental in advance.
After that he's got nothing in his bank account.
So, how long before another disaster looming on the horizon going to visit the Tories?
. It is difficult to see how we can specifically blame the Tory party for the crisis. It is the fault of all parties and society in general. We can only reflect on a number of factors causing it .
A breakdown in family values has meant more divorced people which in turn has created further demand on accommodation for families where only one parent lives at home ..
The birth rate of the British Native population has remained relatively constant . We have imported our demand for additional housing due to a high level of immigration. This problem is further compounded by the fact that these people tend to give birth at a relatively young age.
It was a very short sighted policy to allow freedon of movement just to gain access to cheap labour. To state the obvious these people will themselves become old eventually and place a demand on the NHS
Selling off council houses without building more has not helped the situation. However we do have a lot more social housing associations.
Quite a few people these days do not want to make sacrifices , they expect society to pick up the tab and help them out .
Whilst those in genuine need should be helped we need to clamp down hard on those milking the system .
A much greater emphasis should be placed on family values and the benefits of marriage .
also, old people being stubborn and not dying. Or not fucking off to Spain. "
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"I think developers now have to build 1 social house per 3 private built. But for 3 decades they haven't been building.
Why would they when house prices kept going up from bofe and chancellors policies on stamp duty.
You earned more sitting on the land. Though now they have a set time to build on the land they've built or lose it.
I have no problem selling social housing( I wouldn't offer such heavy discounts as are available perosnally) but it helps those on a lower end get a house eventually
But youcmust replenish the stock.
I think though those in social housing need to accpet they must move.
Inwouldnt let housing be a local countries problem but should be organised centrally.
I think the bedroom tax is brilliant.
Once your kids have grown up if you have 3 in a 4 bedroom house and 2 leave. Downsize or lose all benefits.
"
You really come across as anti those on benefits. Is it jealousy? A question not an accusation.
In the city where I work, disabled people were homed in purpose built bungalows with two bedrooms. Then the bedroom tax came along...
So you reckon the govt should penalise them for the council putting them there? |
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"I think the answer here is to force people who own houses to put up people who need a house free of charge.
Something like the Ukraine refugee scheme. But with less money on offer for the owners."
WTF? |
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"I think the answer here is to force people who own houses to put up people who need a house free of charge.
Something like the Ukraine refugee scheme. But with less money on offer for the owners."
Start with palaces  |
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By *irldnCouple
over a year ago
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"I think the answer here is to force people who own houses to put up people who need a house free of charge.
Something like the Ukraine refugee scheme. But with less money on offer for the owners."
I can’t tell sometimes if people are joking or being serious  |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"I think developers now have to build 1 social house per 3 private built. But for 3 decades they haven't been building.
Why would they when house prices kept going up from bofe and chancellors policies on stamp duty.
You earned more sitting on the land. Though now they have a set time to build on the land they've built or lose it.
I have no problem selling social housing( I wouldn't offer such heavy discounts as are available perosnally) but it helps those on a lower end get a house eventually
But youcmust replenish the stock.
I think though those in social housing need to accpet they must move.
Inwouldnt let housing be a local countries problem but should be organised centrally.
I think the bedroom tax is brilliant.
Once your kids have grown up if you have 3 in a 4 bedroom house and 2 leave. Downsize or lose all benefits.
You really come across as anti those on benefits. Is it jealousy? A question not an accusation.
In the city where I work, disabled people were homed in purpose built bungalows with two bedrooms. Then the bedroom tax came along...
So you reckon the govt should penalise them for the council putting them there?"
Morley can defend himself I know but a) that's a leading question which imo reads as an an accusation. And b) his example was when circumstances change, the situation should be reviwed.
(Re bedroom tax, doesn't it have allowances for disabilities? If not, maybe the principal is okay, but the detail needs review). |
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"I think developers now have to build 1 social house per 3 private built. But for 3 decades they haven't been building.
Why would they when house prices kept going up from bofe and chancellors policies on stamp duty.
You earned more sitting on the land. Though now they have a set time to build on the land they've built or lose it.
I have no problem selling social housing( I wouldn't offer such heavy discounts as are available perosnally) but it helps those on a lower end get a house eventually
But youcmust replenish the stock.
I think though those in social housing need to accpet they must move.
Inwouldnt let housing be a local countries problem but should be organised centrally.
I think the bedroom tax is brilliant.
Once your kids have grown up if you have 3 in a 4 bedroom house and 2 leave. Downsize or lose all benefits.
You really come across as anti those on benefits. Is it jealousy? A question not an accusation.
In the city where I work, disabled people were homed in purpose built bungalows with two bedrooms. Then the bedroom tax came along...
So you reckon the govt should penalise them for the council putting them there?"
You really come across pro benefits on this.
Is it just wanting to mooch off the state?
Please phrase differently.
I haven't forgotten your personal and quite i sulting message to me in my dms.
Clean up your act when addressing me or I'll report you.
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But to answer the question.
No no jealousy.
The state is there to intervene as a stop gap. Not a long term solution.
I have a mother that worked 40 hours a week. No father. She worked tirelessly to provide and sacrificed building a better relationship with me. But provided as an parent should a good home , food etc.
I come from the sithole where John Prescott got punched.
I saw pretty much every girl in my class at school get pregnant by 20 and go straight into a council house and then live off benefits with bo intention of ever working being 3rd generation families living off the state while I and others work to provide for their children.
Benefits should NEVER be a way of life. But have fast become them.
My mother worked for the local council for 20 years on that side.
I worked in anti money laundering and saw how abused it is.
If you can't offer anything back to the state work or tax wise. Unless disabled. You don't get to complain.
I want people to actually have agency over their life decisions and take ownership of their fuck ups and bot expect every one else to pick up the slack while they complain.
You don't need a 4 bedroom house when you don't have 3 kids.
You don't deserve to earn more post tax when you don't work and can't contribute to society when some one works 40 hour weeks and pays 50% disposable income on rent.
You don't deserve more benefits the more kids you have. I am glad the tories addressed this and multiple other benefits issues over the last 1p years
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"I think developers now have to build 1 social house per 3 private built. But for 3 decades they haven't been building.
Why would they when house prices kept going up from bofe and chancellors policies on stamp duty.
You earned more sitting on the land. Though now they have a set time to build on the land they've built or lose it.
I have no problem selling social housing( I wouldn't offer such heavy discounts as are available perosnally) but it helps those on a lower end get a house eventually
But youcmust replenish the stock.
I think though those in social housing need to accpet they must move.
Inwouldnt let housing be a local countries problem but should be organised centrally.
I think the bedroom tax is brilliant.
Once your kids have grown up if you have 3 in a 4 bedroom house and 2 leave. Downsize or lose all benefits.
You really come across as anti those on benefits. Is it jealousy? A question not an accusation.
In the city where I work, disabled people were homed in purpose built bungalows with two bedrooms. Then the bedroom tax came along...
So you reckon the govt should penalise them for the council putting them there?
You really come across pro benefits on this.
Is it just wanting to mooch off the state?
Please phrase differently.
I haven't forgotten your personal and quite i sulting message to me in my dms.
Clean up your act when addressing me or I'll report you.
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Why do I laugh? Your sense of superiority. Report me if you must and my personal message because I can honestly say that asking questions is not insulting just because you perceive them to be.
We simply don't have the same way as processing information. You could ask me if I'm racist and I would simply say no and ask what prompted you to ask.
If you were to do likewise, I would say your posts come across as jealous (my perception) when disabled people may have the capacity to have an income higher than someone working full-time. |
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"I think developers now have to build 1 social house per 3 private built. But for 3 decades they haven't been building.
Why would they when house prices kept going up from bofe and chancellors policies on stamp duty.
You earned more sitting on the land. Though now they have a set time to build on the land they've built or lose it.
I have no problem selling social housing( I wouldn't offer such heavy discounts as are available perosnally) but it helps those on a lower end get a house eventually
But youcmust replenish the stock.
I think though those in social housing need to accpet they must move.
Inwouldnt let housing be a local countries problem but should be organised centrally.
I think the bedroom tax is brilliant.
Once your kids have grown up if you have 3 in a 4 bedroom house and 2 leave. Downsize or lose all benefits.
You really come across as anti those on benefits. Is it jealousy? A question not an accusation.
In the city where I work, disabled people were homed in purpose built bungalows with two bedrooms. Then the bedroom tax came along...
So you reckon the govt should penalise them for the council putting them there?Morley can defend himself I know but a) that's a leading question which imo reads as an an accusation. And b) his example was when circumstances change, the situation should be reviwed.
(Re bedroom tax, doesn't it have allowances for disabilities? If not, maybe the principal is okay, but the detail needs review). "
I'm only recalling the fear disabled patients of mine had.
As for living in social housing perhaps people could be incentivised to vacate large properties for smaller ones, a carrot approach opposed to the stick. |
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"I think developers now have to build 1 social house per 3 private built. But for 3 decades they haven't been building.
Why would they when house prices kept going up from bofe and chancellors policies on stamp duty.
You earned more sitting on the land. Though now they have a set time to build on the land they've built or lose it.
I have no problem selling social housing( I wouldn't offer such heavy discounts as are available perosnally) but it helps those on a lower end get a house eventually
But youcmust replenish the stock.
I think though those in social housing need to accpet they must move.
Inwouldnt let housing be a local countries problem but should be organised centrally.
I think the bedroom tax is brilliant.
Once your kids have grown up if you have 3 in a 4 bedroom house and 2 leave. Downsize or lose all benefits.
You really come across as anti those on benefits. Is it jealousy? A question not an accusation.
In the city where I work, disabled people were homed in purpose built bungalows with two bedrooms. Then the bedroom tax came along...
So you reckon the govt should penalise them for the council putting them there?
You really come across pro benefits on this.
Is it just wanting to mooch off the state?
Please phrase differently.
I haven't forgotten your personal and quite i sulting message to me in my dms.
Clean up your act when addressing me or I'll report you.
Why do I laugh? Your sense of superiority. Report me if you must and my personal message because I can honestly say that asking questions is not insulting just because you perceive them to be.
We simply don't have the same way as processing information. You could ask me if I'm racist and I would simply say no and ask what prompted you to ask.
If you were to do likewise, I would say your posts come across as jealous (my perception) when disabled people may have the capacity to have an income higher than someone working full-time."
No superiority.
Just prefer dealing truth and facts and adult enough tk admit when it et things wrong. And not dm people insults or as fun fella found out. Not resort to calling people c*nt when I get found out for lying for the 50th time and called on it.
I am not the only one in hesr who picked up on how you addressed the "question"
Calling people out for lying isn't superior. It's just calling a spade a spade. As a lie is a lie.
And asking for evidence of claims made. Which often usually end up with no link.
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"I think developers now have to build 1 social house per 3 private built. But for 3 decades they haven't been building.
Why would they when house prices kept going up from bofe and chancellors policies on stamp duty.
You earned more sitting on the land. Though now they have a set time to build on the land they've built or lose it.
I have no problem selling social housing( I wouldn't offer such heavy discounts as are available perosnally) but it helps those on a lower end get a house eventually
But youcmust replenish the stock.
I think though those in social housing need to accpet they must move.
Inwouldnt let housing be a local countries problem but should be organised centrally.
I think the bedroom tax is brilliant.
Once your kids have grown up if you have 3 in a 4 bedroom house and 2 leave. Downsize or lose all benefits.
You really come across as anti those on benefits. Is it jealousy? A question not an accusation.
In the city where I work, disabled people were homed in purpose built bungalows with two bedrooms. Then the bedroom tax came along...
So you reckon the govt should penalise them for the council putting them there?Morley can defend himself I know but a) that's a leading question which imo reads as an an accusation. And b) his example was when circumstances change, the situation should be reviwed.
(Re bedroom tax, doesn't it have allowances for disabilities? If not, maybe the principal is okay, but the detail needs review).
I'm only recalling the fear disabled patients of mine had.
As for living in social housing perhaps people could be incentivised to vacate large properties for smaller ones, a carrot approach opposed to the stick."
Give them more?
When they're already being given a free house?
What incentive?
Please move out. Here another £100 a week?
This doesn't address the problem of people relying on benefits and making it their lifestyle choice. |
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"But to answer the question.
No no jealousy.
The state is there to intervene as a stop gap. Not a long term solution.
I have a mother that worked 40 hours a week. No father. She worked tirelessly to provide and sacrificed building a better relationship with me. But provided as an parent should a good home , food etc.
I come from the sithole where John Prescott got punched.
I saw pretty much every girl in my class at school get pregnant by 20 and go straight into a council house and then live off benefits with bo intention of ever working being 3rd generation families living off the state while I and others work to provide for their children.
Benefits should NEVER be a way of life. But have fast become them.
My mother worked for the local council for 20 years on that side.
I worked in anti money laundering and saw how abused it is.
If you can't offer anything back to the state work or tax wise. Unless disabled. You don't get to complain.
I want people to actually have agency over their life decisions and take ownership of their fuck ups and bot expect every one else to pick up the slack while they complain.
You don't need a 4 bedroom house when you don't have 3 kids.
You don't deserve to earn more post tax when you don't work and can't contribute to society when some one works 40 hour weeks and pays 50% disposable income on rent.
You don't deserve more benefits the more kids you have. I am glad the tories addressed this and multiple other benefits issues over the last 1p years
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Thank you for answering the question. We actually agree on things. Like you I was raised in a deprived area. My parents tried to better themselves and bought their council house, only to lose it in the 80s.
Child tax credit was a good innovation by the Labour party, and a limit on the number of children for new claimants, a good innovation by the Tories. |
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"I think developers now have to build 1 social house per 3 private built. But for 3 decades they haven't been building.
Why would they when house prices kept going up from bofe and chancellors policies on stamp duty.
You earned more sitting on the land. Though now they have a set time to build on the land they've built or lose it.
I have no problem selling social housing( I wouldn't offer such heavy discounts as are available perosnally) but it helps those on a lower end get a house eventually
But youcmust replenish the stock.
I think though those in social housing need to accpet they must move.
Inwouldnt let housing be a local countries problem but should be organised centrally.
I think the bedroom tax is brilliant.
Once your kids have grown up if you have 3 in a 4 bedroom house and 2 leave. Downsize or lose all benefits.
You really come across as anti those on benefits. Is it jealousy? A question not an accusation.
In the city where I work, disabled people were homed in purpose built bungalows with two bedrooms. Then the bedroom tax came along...
So you reckon the govt should penalise them for the council putting them there?Morley can defend himself I know but a) that's a leading question which imo reads as an an accusation. And b) his example was when circumstances change, the situation should be reviwed.
(Re bedroom tax, doesn't it have allowances for disabilities? If not, maybe the principal is okay, but the detail needs review).
I'm only recalling the fear disabled patients of mine had.
As for living in social housing perhaps people could be incentivised to vacate large properties for smaller ones, a carrot approach opposed to the stick.
Give them more?
When they're already being given a free house?
What incentive?
Please move out. Here another £100 a week?
This doesn't address the problem of people relying on benefits and making it their lifestyle choice."
No, practical incentives such as moving costs and information of why they should move (they will benefit by being in lower council tax bands, it'll be cheaper to heat). Perhaps having a contract that they are being housed in multiple bedrooms according to needs and will be asked to vacate when that need changes.
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"I think developers now have to build 1 social house per 3 private built. But for 3 decades they haven't been building.
Why would they when house prices kept going up from bofe and chancellors policies on stamp duty.
You earned more sitting on the land. Though now they have a set time to build on the land they've built or lose it.
I have no problem selling social housing( I wouldn't offer such heavy discounts as are available perosnally) but it helps those on a lower end get a house eventually
But youcmust replenish the stock.
I think though those in social housing need to accpet they must move.
Inwouldnt let housing be a local countries problem but should be organised centrally.
I think the bedroom tax is brilliant.
Once your kids have grown up if you have 3 in a 4 bedroom house and 2 leave. Downsize or lose all benefits.
You really come across as anti those on benefits. Is it jealousy? A question not an accusation.
In the city where I work, disabled people were homed in purpose built bungalows with two bedrooms. Then the bedroom tax came along...
So you reckon the govt should penalise them for the council putting them there?Morley can defend himself I know but a) that's a leading question which imo reads as an an accusation. And b) his example was when circumstances change, the situation should be reviwed.
(Re bedroom tax, doesn't it have allowances for disabilities? If not, maybe the principal is okay, but the detail needs review).
I'm only recalling the fear disabled patients of mine had.
As for living in social housing perhaps people could be incentivised to vacate large properties for smaller ones, a carrot approach opposed to the stick.
Give them more?
When they're already being given a free house?
What incentive?
Please move out. Here another £100 a week?
This doesn't address the problem of people relying on benefits and making it their lifestyle choice.
No, practical incentives such as moving costs and information of why they should move (they will benefit by being in lower council tax bands, it'll be cheaper to heat). Perhaps having a contract that they are being housed in multiple bedrooms according to needs and will be asked to vacate when that need changes.
Social housing is not just for those on benefits, but low income. "
So again thrn more state incentives to do the right thing?
Sorry but I don't agree. They have 18 years to work and save from the first child fkr things such as this.
If you ca t get your act together in 18 years to improve your work and financial situation without the state interfering. You never have any intention to.cand it's mot for the state to do this. And for my taxes tl fund this.
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"I think developers now have to build 1 social house per 3 private built. But for 3 decades they haven't been building.
Why would they when house prices kept going up from bofe and chancellors policies on stamp duty.
You earned more sitting on the land. Though now they have a set time to build on the land they've built or lose it.
I have no problem selling social housing( I wouldn't offer such heavy discounts as are available perosnally) but it helps those on a lower end get a house eventually
But youcmust replenish the stock.
I think though those in social housing need to accpet they must move.
Inwouldnt let housing be a local countries problem but should be organised centrally.
I think the bedroom tax is brilliant.
Once your kids have grown up if you have 3 in a 4 bedroom house and 2 leave. Downsize or lose all benefits.
You really come across as anti those on benefits. Is it jealousy? A question not an accusation.
In the city where I work, disabled people were homed in purpose built bungalows with two bedrooms. Then the bedroom tax came along...
So you reckon the govt should penalise them for the council putting them there?Morley can defend himself I know but a) that's a leading question which imo reads as an an accusation. And b) his example was when circumstances change, the situation should be reviwed.
(Re bedroom tax, doesn't it have allowances for disabilities? If not, maybe the principal is okay, but the detail needs review).
I'm only recalling the fear disabled patients of mine had.
As for living in social housing perhaps people could be incentivised to vacate large properties for smaller ones, a carrot approach opposed to the stick.
Give them more?
When they're already being given a free house?
What incentive?
Please move out. Here another £100 a week?
This doesn't address the problem of people relying on benefits and making it their lifestyle choice.
No, practical incentives such as moving costs and information of why they should move (they will benefit by being in lower council tax bands, it'll be cheaper to heat). Perhaps having a contract that they are being housed in multiple bedrooms according to needs and will be asked to vacate when that need changes.
Social housing is not just for those on benefits, but low income.
So again thrn more state incentives to do the right thing?
Sorry but I don't agree. They have 18 years to work and save from the first child fkr things such as this.
If you ca t get your act together in 18 years to improve your work and financial situation without the state interfering. You never have any intention to.cand it's mot for the state to do this. And for my taxes tl fund this.
Be better"
So harsh. I'm looking at the broader picture. Social housing goes beyond those on benefits. So your tax (and mine) doesn't fund all social housing.
There is nothing wrong incentivising people to do the right thing. Apart from my cat, I live alone in a three bedroom house and no one can force me out. It is my home. I will move when it is convenient for me to do so.
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By *irldnCouple
over a year ago
Brighton |
Confess to not knowing a lot on this topic. I grew up on a council estate. This was not a Harry Brown/Top Boy inner city style estate but a home counties estate with mostly houses rather than flats. As an adult I only ever private rented for a few years before buying my first property.
But the lack of social housing in the UK is surely also compounded by the growth of buy-to-let “amateur” landlords and the lack of any form of rent control in the private rental market. As property prices dramatically increased (to the benefits of folks like me) the purchase price for the buy-to-lets increased driving bigger mortgages resulting in higher rents.
And Councils simply do not build enough social housing (not only for people on benefits but for those on low incomes). But why is that? I may be mistaken, but I am sure I read something once about central govt dictating what councils could do in the social housing space? |
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"I think the answer here is to force people who own houses to put up people who need a house free of charge.
Something like the Ukraine refugee scheme. But with less money on offer for the owners.
WTF?"
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By *ugehandsMan
over a year ago
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The biggest problem lies in the fact that the UK population has I creased by millions over the past decade or so, and the fact that we cannot build houses quick enough or affordable enough for large section of the population.
There is also to much reliance on private landlords who in order to make money have to maintain higher rentals than social housing.
Sadly there is no solution and homelessness will inevitably increase. |
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"The biggest problem lies in the fact that the UK population has I creased by millions over the past decade or so, and the fact that we cannot build houses quick enough or affordable enough for large section of the population.
There is also to much reliance on private landlords who in order to make money have to maintain higher rentals than social housing.
Sadly there is no solution and homelessness will inevitably increase. "
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2.3 million council houses and flats sold on RTB since 1979
Home ownership has fallen from 72% in 2001 to 62% now, private rented has increased to 4.5 million homes, as a consequence of both and less social housing there are now 3 million more private renters than 22 years ago
Council house waiting lists were 1.1 million in 2010, is 1.6 million today
Tories used the localism act to remove 137,000 from council house waiting lists in 2013 and prevented less people being added under ‘ no reasonable prospect of being housed’
A recent paper said of the 100,000 RTB sales over next 10 years, only 40,000 of those dwellings would be replaced as social housing
Emergency housing cost councils £1.74 billion last 12 months
This problem starts and ends at parliament |
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"2.3 million council houses and flats sold on RTB since 1979
Home ownership has fallen from 72% in 2001 to 62% now, private rented has increased to 4.5 million homes, as a consequence of both and less social housing there are now 3 million more private renters than 22 years ago
Council house waiting lists were 1.1 million in 2010, is 1.6 million today
Tories used the localism act to remove 137,000 from council house waiting lists in 2013 and prevented less people being added under ‘ no reasonable prospect of being housed’
A recent paper said of the 100,000 RTB sales over next 10 years, only 40,000 of those dwellings would be replaced as social housing
Emergency housing cost councils £1.74 billion last 12 months
This problem starts and ends at parliament "
A lot of stats there but stats can be manipulated to any cause. Now I don't disagree with what seems to be your view but to only blame the Tories is the easy way out. There's been plenty of time 1979 that has been subject to the policies of a labour govt so, by all means direct some blame at the Tories but send the due share to the labour party |
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"There's been plenty of time 1979 that has been subject to the policies of a labour govt so, by all means direct some blame at the Tories but send the due share to the labour party "
13 years of labour over that period
31 years of Tory |
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"2.3 million council houses and flats sold on RTB since 1979
Home ownership has fallen from 72% in 2001 to 62% now, private rented has increased to 4.5 million homes, as a consequence of both and less social housing there are now 3 million more private renters than 22 years ago
Council house waiting lists were 1.1 million in 2010, is 1.6 million today
Tories used the localism act to remove 137,000 from council house waiting lists in 2013 and prevented less people being added under ‘ no reasonable prospect of being housed’
A recent paper said of the 100,000 RTB sales over next 10 years, only 40,000 of those dwellings would be replaced as social housing
Emergency housing cost councils £1.74 billion last 12 months
This problem starts and ends at parliament "
The Right to Buy introduced by Thatcher gave her a 3rd term but has left a mess. 1997 I was given 10k from the council to leave a council property and get a mortgage. This has to be a better system. As you can't build a home for 20k. Give family's a a deposit if they can buy as it's cheaper in the long run. |
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"2.3 million council houses and flats sold on RTB since 1979
Home ownership has fallen from 72% in 2001 to 62% now, private rented has increased to 4.5 million homes, as a consequence of both and less social housing there are now 3 million more private renters than 22 years ago
Council house waiting lists were 1.1 million in 2010, is 1.6 million today
Tories used the localism act to remove 137,000 from council house waiting lists in 2013 and prevented less people being added under ‘ no reasonable prospect of being housed’
A recent paper said of the 100,000 RTB sales over next 10 years, only 40,000 of those dwellings would be replaced as social housing
Emergency housing cost councils £1.74 billion last 12 months
This problem starts and ends at parliament
A lot of stats there but stats can be manipulated to any cause. Now I don't disagree with what seems to be your view but to only blame the Tories is the easy way out. There's been plenty of time 1979 that has been subject to the policies of a labour govt so, by all means direct some blame at the Tories but send the due share to the labour party "
But once its in you tenancy agreement the the right to buy would "you" sign a different agreement. The fuck you would |
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"There's been plenty of time 1979 that has been subject to the policies of a labour govt so, by all means direct some blame at the Tories but send the due share to the labour party
13 years of labour over that period
31 years of Tory "
And was any of the 13 years of labour spent reversing it? |
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The Right to Buy introduced by Thatcher gave her a 3rd term but has left a mess. 1997 I was given 10k from the council to leave a council property and get a mortgage. This has to be a better system. As you can't build a home for 20k. Give family's a a deposit if they can buy as it's cheaper in the long run. "
Not disagreeing with RTB but 75% of the proceeds had to be used to repay central government loans, instead of replacing / building more dwellings
House prices have quadrupled since 1997, 7.5 times average earnings and more in high value areas, gifting enormous deposits would be required to enable council tenants to buy on the open market
The bank of mum and dad enabled 48% of all first time buyer purchases in 2022. |
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"2.3 million council houses and flats sold on RTB since 1979
Home ownership has fallen from 72% in 2001 to 62% now, private rented has increased to 4.5 million homes, as a consequence of both and less social housing there are now 3 million more private renters than 22 years ago
Council house waiting lists were 1.1 million in 2010, is 1.6 million today
Tories used the localism act to remove 137,000 from council house waiting lists in 2013 and prevented less people being added under ‘ no reasonable prospect of being housed’
A recent paper said of the 100,000 RTB sales over next 10 years, only 40,000 of those dwellings would be replaced as social housing
Emergency housing cost councils £1.74 billion last 12 months
This problem starts and ends at parliament
The Right to Buy introduced by Thatcher gave her a 3rd term but has left a mess. 1997 I was given 10k from the council to leave a council property and get a mortgage. This has to be a better system. As you can't build a home for 20k. Give family's a a deposit if they can buy as it's cheaper in the long run. "
Pfffft you got more than me, I'm well jel. |
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"I think developers now have to build 1 social house per 3 private built. But for 3 decades they haven't been building.
Why would they when house prices kept going up from bofe and chancellors policies on stamp duty.
You earned more sitting on the land. Though now they have a set time to build on the land they've built or lose it.
I have no problem selling social housing( I wouldn't offer such heavy discounts as are available perosnally) but it helps those on a lower end get a house eventually
But youcmust replenish the stock.
I think though those in social housing need to accpet they must move.
Inwouldnt let housing be a local countries problem but should be organised centrally.
I think the bedroom tax is brilliant.
Once your kids have grown up if you have 3 in a 4 bedroom house and 2 leave. Downsize or lose all benefits.
You really come across as anti those on benefits. Is it jealousy? A question not an accusation.
In the city where I work, disabled people were homed in purpose built bungalows with two bedrooms. Then the bedroom tax came along...
So you reckon the govt should penalise them for the council putting them there?Morley can defend himself I know but a) that's a leading question which imo reads as an an accusation. And b) his example was when circumstances change, the situation should be reviwed.
(Re bedroom tax, doesn't it have allowances for disabilities? If not, maybe the principal is okay, but the detail needs review).
I'm only recalling the fear disabled patients of mine had.
As for living in social housing perhaps people could be incentivised to vacate large properties for smaller ones, a carrot approach opposed to the stick.
Give them more?
When they're already being given a free house?
What incentive?
Please move out. Here another £100 a week?
This doesn't address the problem of people relying on benefits and making it their lifestyle choice.
No, practical incentives such as moving costs and information of why they should move (they will benefit by being in lower council tax bands, it'll be cheaper to heat). Perhaps having a contract that they are being housed in multiple bedrooms according to needs and will be asked to vacate when that need changes.
Social housing is not just for those on benefits, but low income. "
You missed out health issues, a mate earns 50k a year, has a nice two bedroom bungalow. He has a list if things wrong with him, he went through the system and got the place on means testing. |
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