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"Also why would you expect anything less from starmmer he is as morally bankrupt as the rest of them in parliment" agreed | |||
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"Palestine elected Hamas, and were cheering on the streets last weekend after Israelis were burnt and beheaded. Between 1979 and May 2021, 48,035 Islamist terrorist attacks around the world, which have resulted in the deaths of at least 210,138 people, of all nationality and colour. " I never seen any palestinians cheering in the streets,i did see hamas militants cheering ,so are you saying because hamas were cheering then isreal are allowed to commit war crimes ? | |||
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"Palestine elected Hamas, and were cheering on the streets last weekend after Israelis were burnt and beheaded. Between 1979 and May 2021, 48,035 Islamist terrorist attacks around the world, which have resulted in the deaths of at least 210,138 people, of all nationality and colour. " Of course this is dwarfed by the number of civilians killed by just the US and UK in Iraq and Afghanistan. Which I'm sure you were about to mention. | |||
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"Also why would you expect anything less from starmmer he is as morally bankrupt as the rest of them in parliment" Labour councillors have started resigning. | |||
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"Palestine elected Hamas, and were cheering on the streets last weekend after Israelis were burnt and beheaded. Between 1979 and May 2021, 48,035 Islamist terrorist attacks around the world, which have resulted in the deaths of at least 210,138 people, of all nationality and colour. " Yep agreed those Islamist Terrorists are evil bastards. Now how many people in Gaza voted for Hamas. Were the elections open, fair and democratic. Were Palestinians confident in their safety to not vote for Hamas? Out of the 2million Palestinians in Gaza what proportion were on the streets celebrating the hideous crimes committed by Hamas? | |||
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"The whole LK programme (with Victoria Derbyshire) was dedicated to this conflict. Some heads needed wobbling but most views were sensible. Yes Israelis have the right to defend themselves but in retaliation must abide by humanitarian laws."  | |||
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"collateral damage is inevitable in war, happens in every single war. If the Palestinians don't want Hamas to bring them war and suffer collateral damage, they should do something about it and remove Hamas. I don't want to see innocent people lose their lives, I can't say the same for Hamas. " | |||
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"collateral damage is inevitable in war, happens in every single war. If the Palestinians don't want Hamas to bring them war and suffer collateral damage, they should do something about it and remove Hamas. I don't want to see innocent people lose their lives, I can't say the same for Hamas. " Or the IDF. | |||
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"Israel have the right to wage war on Hamas for their heinous crimes. But not the poor population of Gaza. One war crime does not give clearance to commit more. " This is it in a nutshell. Not sure why some people find it so hard to accept. | |||
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"Israel have the right to wage war on Hamas for their heinous crimes. But not the poor population of Gaza. One war crime does not give clearance to commit more. " Surprised you have the energy to keep going trying to make some people see that point of view. I personally don't think they care really about any suffering of other humans. Either Israeli's or Palestinians. These will be the same people who blame every unfortunate people for their own suffering. Be they refugees, the homeless, people on benefits in poverty. Its the am alright brigade, why can't you be like me. Best spending your energy on more positive things. | |||
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"collateral damage is inevitable in war, happens in every single war. If the Palestinians don't want Hamas to bring them war and suffer collateral damage, they should do something about it and remove Hamas. I don't want to see innocent people lose their lives, I can't say the same for Hamas. Or the IDF." Hamas knew this would be the reaction, they brought it upon their own people. They are a disgrace | |||
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"collateral damage is inevitable in war, happens in every single war. If the Palestinians don't want Hamas to bring them war and suffer collateral damage, they should do something about it and remove Hamas. I don't want to see innocent people lose their lives, I can't say the same for Hamas. Or the IDF. Hamas knew this would be the reaction, they brought it upon their own people. They are a disgrace " So the IDF bear no responsibility for bombing civilians? | |||
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"collateral damage is inevitable in war, happens in every single war. If the Palestinians don't want Hamas to bring them war and suffer collateral damage, they should do something about it and remove Hamas. I don't want to see innocent people lose their lives, I can't say the same for Hamas. Or the IDF. Hamas knew this would be the reaction, they brought it upon their own people. They are a disgrace So the IDF bear no responsibility for bombing civilians?" I'm not deflecting the action that caused the reaction. Of course I would prefer nobody was fighting or being killed, but I believe that Hamas are terrorists and I will never support, promote, sympathise or make excuses for terrorists. | |||
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"collateral damage is inevitable in war, happens in every single war. If the Palestinians don't want Hamas to bring them war and suffer collateral damage, they should do something about it and remove Hamas. I don't want to see innocent people lose their lives, I can't say the same for Hamas. Or the IDF. Hamas knew this would be the reaction, they brought it upon their own people. They are a disgrace So the IDF bear no responsibility for bombing civilians? I'm not deflecting the action that caused the reaction. Of course I would prefer nobody was fighting or being killed, but I believe that Hamas are terrorists and I will never support, promote, sympathise or make excuses for terrorists." Sorry to jump in but your opening line felt (to me) rather hand wavey... "collateral damage is inevitable in war, happens in every single war." It sounds like you are saying “oh well!” Especially as you then appear to say the Palestinians brought it on themselves. Sorry to do it again but I am going to post my Northern Ireland analogy in relation to Palestinians and Hamas... | |||
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"Why is an innocent Palestinian life (man, woman or child) worth less than an Israeli life (man, woman or child)? Hamas? Yeah fuck them the evil bastards. Hunt them down and eradicate them. But tell me why Palestinian babies should die to achieve that? If we are going to say “eye for an eye” then IDF boots on the ground hunting house to house is the only way." Who said any lfe was worth more or less? | |||
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"collateral damage is inevitable in war, happens in every single war. If the Palestinians don't want Hamas to bring them war and suffer collateral damage, they should do something about it and remove Hamas. I don't want to see innocent people lose their lives, I can't say the same for Hamas. Or the IDF. Hamas knew this would be the reaction, they brought it upon their own people. They are a disgrace So the IDF bear no responsibility for bombing civilians? I'm not deflecting the action that caused the reaction. Of course I would prefer nobody was fighting or being killed, but I believe that Hamas are terrorists and I will never support, promote, sympathise or make excuses for terrorists. Sorry to jump in but your opening line felt (to me) rather hand wavey... collateral damage is inevitable in war, happens in every single war. It sounds like you are saying “oh well!” Especially as you then appear to say the Palestinians brought it on themselves. Sorry to do it again but I am going to post my Northern Ireland analogy in relation to Palestinians and Hamas... " No I didn't I clearly said Hamas and i clearly have said Hamas are terrorist that have brought war on their own people. | |||
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"I think we should look more at this “all the Palestinians are complicit in the actions of Hamas because they knew they were living amongst them”. As an analogy lets loom at Northern Ireland in the 1970/80s. Were ALL the Catholic Northern Irish complicit with the IRA? Were all the Protestant Northern Irish complicit with the UDF? These terrorist organisations are one step up from organised crime. Much of their funding comes from the same activity that organised crime groups operate inc kid-napping, extortion, protection rackets, drug smuggling/dealing, etc etc. If you were a Catholic and knew of people in the IRA would you speak up? Would you grass on them? Or would you keep your mouth shut to protect the lives of your children and family? If the IRA came to you and told you they wanted to hide one of theirs in your house for a bit, or store some equipment. Would you say no? If the IRA had scored a victory would you support it and celebrate it while they were watching and if you didn’t really support it, keep quiet about it? Would you be wary of your neighbours in case they were full on supporters or even involved with the IRA? Now transpose that to Gaza and hand on heart tell me how you would act? Without doubt there are “normal” Palestinians who support Hamas (we have seen footage of celebrations) but there will also be those who don’t but are too scared to speak out. I don’t blame them. I would be too!" Hamas is evil and they clearly sit amongst the population, some people will be fearful, some will support them. Hamas, care little what their people think, or if the live or die. Those people celebrating Hamas and their evil killings are also supporting the aftermath of 1.1 million people having to leave their homes, the bombs and the retribution that is happening. I'm sure there are a million and one things we can compare and contrast, but the facts are, Hamas terrorists invaded Israel and killed innocent people, knowing the consequences. They are evil | |||
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"collateral damage is inevitable in war, happens in every single war. If the Palestinians don't want Hamas to bring them war and suffer collateral damage, they should do something about it and remove Hamas. I don't want to see innocent people lose their lives, I can't say the same for Hamas. Or the IDF. Hamas knew this would be the reaction, they brought it upon their own people. They are a disgrace So the IDF bear no responsibility for bombing civilians? I'm not deflecting the action that caused the reaction. Of course I would prefer nobody was fighting or being killed, but I believe that Hamas are terrorists and I will never support, promote, sympathise or make excuses for terrorists." No one's asking you to. Just seems like you're very very vocal against some civilians being killed. But don't mention others who are also being killed as part of the same conflict. | |||
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"collateral damage is inevitable in war, happens in every single war. If the Palestinians don't want Hamas to bring them war and suffer collateral damage, they should do something about it and remove Hamas. I don't want to see innocent people lose their lives, I can't say the same for Hamas. Or the IDF. Hamas knew this would be the reaction, they brought it upon their own people. They are a disgrace So the IDF bear no responsibility for bombing civilians? I'm not deflecting the action that caused the reaction. Of course I would prefer nobody was fighting or being killed, but I believe that Hamas are terrorists and I will never support, promote, sympathise or make excuses for terrorists. No one's asking you to. Just seems like you're very very vocal against some civilians being killed. But don't mention others who are also being killed as part of the same conflict. " I did mention civilians being killed and I also mentioned who I blame for those deaths, Hamas. Do you disagree? | |||
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"collateral damage is inevitable in war, happens in every single war. If the Palestinians don't want Hamas to bring them war and suffer collateral damage, they should do something about it and remove Hamas. I don't want to see innocent people lose their lives, I can't say the same for Hamas. Or the IDF. Hamas knew this would be the reaction, they brought it upon their own people. They are a disgrace So the IDF bear no responsibility for bombing civilians? I'm not deflecting the action that caused the reaction. Of course I would prefer nobody was fighting or being killed, but I believe that Hamas are terrorists and I will never support, promote, sympathise or make excuses for terrorists. No one's asking you to. Just seems like you're very very vocal against some civilians being killed. But don't mention others who are also being killed as part of the same conflict. I did mention civilians being killed and I also mentioned who I blame for those deaths, Hamas. Do you disagree? " No, I disagree that Hamas alone are to be blamed for the deaths. They played a part, so has the IDF. Both are equally abhorrent. | |||
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"collateral damage is inevitable in war, happens in every single war. If the Palestinians don't want Hamas to bring them war and suffer collateral damage, they should do something about it and remove Hamas. I don't want to see innocent people lose their lives, I can't say the same for Hamas. Or the IDF. Hamas knew this would be the reaction, they brought it upon their own people. They are a disgrace So the IDF bear no responsibility for bombing civilians? I'm not deflecting the action that caused the reaction. Of course I would prefer nobody was fighting or being killed, but I believe that Hamas are terrorists and I will never support, promote, sympathise or make excuses for terrorists. No one's asking you to. Just seems like you're very very vocal against some civilians being killed. But don't mention others who are also being killed as part of the same conflict. I did mention civilians being killed and I also mentioned who I blame for those deaths, Hamas. Do you disagree? No, I disagree that Hamas alone are to be blamed for the deaths. They played a part, so has the IDF. Both are equally abhorrent." If Hamas had not killed Israeli's last weekend, Israel would not have launched this attack on Gaza, and in doing so killing Palestinian people. Hamas created the situation and knew of the consequences. Hamas are to blame for the deaths of their own people and they don't care. | |||
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"collateral damage is inevitable in war, happens in every single war. If the Palestinians don't want Hamas to bring them war and suffer collateral damage, they should do something about it and remove Hamas. I don't want to see innocent people lose their lives, I can't say the same for Hamas. Or the IDF. Hamas knew this would be the reaction, they brought it upon their own people. They are a disgrace So the IDF bear no responsibility for bombing civilians? I'm not deflecting the action that caused the reaction. Of course I would prefer nobody was fighting or being killed, but I believe that Hamas are terrorists and I will never support, promote, sympathise or make excuses for terrorists. No one's asking you to. Just seems like you're very very vocal against some civilians being killed. But don't mention others who are also being killed as part of the same conflict. I did mention civilians being killed and I also mentioned who I blame for those deaths, Hamas. Do you disagree? No, I disagree that Hamas alone are to be blamed for the deaths. They played a part, so has the IDF. Both are equally abhorrent. If Hamas had not killed Israeli's last weekend, Israel would not have launched this attack on Gaza, and in doing so killing Palestinian people. Hamas created the situation and knew of the consequences. Hamas are to blame for the deaths of their own people and they don't care. " If Israel's hadn't killed Palestinians before that..... Sure anyway, fair enough, you're allowed to have your opinions, but I can't disagree with you more. The Israeli government and the IDF are also directly responsible for their own actions in bombing and killing civilians. They have choices. | |||
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"collateral damage is inevitable in war, happens in every single war. If the Palestinians don't want Hamas to bring them war and suffer collateral damage, they should do something about it and remove Hamas. I don't want to see innocent people lose their lives, I can't say the same for Hamas. Or the IDF. Hamas knew this would be the reaction, they brought it upon their own people. They are a disgrace So the IDF bear no responsibility for bombing civilians? I'm not deflecting the action that caused the reaction. Of course I would prefer nobody was fighting or being killed, but I believe that Hamas are terrorists and I will never support, promote, sympathise or make excuses for terrorists. No one's asking you to. Just seems like you're very very vocal against some civilians being killed. But don't mention others who are also being killed as part of the same conflict. I did mention civilians being killed and I also mentioned who I blame for those deaths, Hamas. Do you disagree? No, I disagree that Hamas alone are to be blamed for the deaths. They played a part, so has the IDF. Both are equally abhorrent. If Hamas had not killed Israeli's last weekend, Israel would not have launched this attack on Gaza, and in doing so killing Palestinian people. Hamas created the situation and knew of the consequences. Hamas are to blame for the deaths of their own people and they don't care. If Israel's hadn't killed Palestinians before that..... Sure anyway, fair enough, you're allowed to have your opinions, but I can't disagree with you more. The Israeli government and the IDF are also directly responsible for their own actions in bombing and killing civilians. They have choices." The terrorist group Hamas had choices too, and chose to throw their people into the line of danger and in some cases death. | |||
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"collateral damage is inevitable in war, happens in every single war. If the Palestinians don't want Hamas to bring them war and suffer collateral damage, they should do something about it and remove Hamas. I don't want to see innocent people lose their lives, I can't say the same for Hamas. Or the IDF. Hamas knew this would be the reaction, they brought it upon their own people. They are a disgrace So the IDF bear no responsibility for bombing civilians? I'm not deflecting the action that caused the reaction. Of course I would prefer nobody was fighting or being killed, but I believe that Hamas are terrorists and I will never support, promote, sympathise or make excuses for terrorists. No one's asking you to. Just seems like you're very very vocal against some civilians being killed. But don't mention others who are also being killed as part of the same conflict. I did mention civilians being killed and I also mentioned who I blame for those deaths, Hamas. Do you disagree? No, I disagree that Hamas alone are to be blamed for the deaths. They played a part, so has the IDF. Both are equally abhorrent. If Hamas had not killed Israeli's last weekend, Israel would not have launched this attack on Gaza, and in doing so killing Palestinian people. Hamas created the situation and knew of the consequences. Hamas are to blame for the deaths of their own people and they don't care. If Israel's hadn't killed Palestinians before that..... Sure anyway, fair enough, you're allowed to have your opinions, but I can't disagree with you more. The Israeli government and the IDF are also directly responsible for their own actions in bombing and killing civilians. They have choices." This is the going in circles response by both sides for years. But what should the Israeli response be to what Hamas done last week? Going in on the ground I think will lead to much larger casualties on both sides and Hamas I guess do not wear uniforms and can try to blend in to the innocent people. On the other hand doing nothing after what happened may encourage further atrocities. | |||
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"collateral damage is inevitable in war, happens in every single war. If the Palestinians don't want Hamas to bring them war and suffer collateral damage, they should do something about it and remove Hamas. I don't want to see innocent people lose their lives, I can't say the same for Hamas. Or the IDF. Hamas knew this would be the reaction, they brought it upon their own people. They are a disgrace So the IDF bear no responsibility for bombing civilians? I'm not deflecting the action that caused the reaction. Of course I would prefer nobody was fighting or being killed, but I believe that Hamas are terrorists and I will never support, promote, sympathise or make excuses for terrorists. No one's asking you to. Just seems like you're very very vocal against some civilians being killed. But don't mention others who are also being killed as part of the same conflict. I did mention civilians being killed and I also mentioned who I blame for those deaths, Hamas. Do you disagree? No, I disagree that Hamas alone are to be blamed for the deaths. They played a part, so has the IDF. Both are equally abhorrent. If Hamas had not killed Israeli's last weekend, Israel would not have launched this attack on Gaza, and in doing so killing Palestinian people. Hamas created the situation and knew of the consequences. Hamas are to blame for the deaths of their own people and they don't care. If Israel's hadn't killed Palestinians before that..... Sure anyway, fair enough, you're allowed to have your opinions, but I can't disagree with you more. The Israeli government and the IDF are also directly responsible for their own actions in bombing and killing civilians. They have choices. The terrorist group Hamas had choices too, and chose to throw their people into the line of danger and in some cases death." Very much so, most of us can see that. And can see that bombing civilians is wrong, and that Israel and the IDF are choosing to do this. | |||
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"collateral damage is inevitable in war, happens in every single war. If the Palestinians don't want Hamas to bring them war and suffer collateral damage, they should do something about it and remove Hamas. I don't want to see innocent people lose their lives, I can't say the same for Hamas. Or the IDF. Hamas knew this would be the reaction, they brought it upon their own people. They are a disgrace So the IDF bear no responsibility for bombing civilians? I'm not deflecting the action that caused the reaction. Of course I would prefer nobody was fighting or being killed, but I believe that Hamas are terrorists and I will never support, promote, sympathise or make excuses for terrorists. No one's asking you to. Just seems like you're very very vocal against some civilians being killed. But don't mention others who are also being killed as part of the same conflict. I did mention civilians being killed and I also mentioned who I blame for those deaths, Hamas. Do you disagree? No, I disagree that Hamas alone are to be blamed for the deaths. They played a part, so has the IDF. Both are equally abhorrent. If Hamas had not killed Israeli's last weekend, Israel would not have launched this attack on Gaza, and in doing so killing Palestinian people. Hamas created the situation and knew of the consequences. Hamas are to blame for the deaths of their own people and they don't care. If Israel's hadn't killed Palestinians before that..... Sure anyway, fair enough, you're allowed to have your opinions, but I can't disagree with you more. The Israeli government and the IDF are also directly responsible for their own actions in bombing and killing civilians. They have choices. This is the going in circles response by both sides for years. " Indeed. This is what I said. " But what should the Israeli response be to what Hamas done last week? " Any of the options that doesn't include bombing civilians " Going in on the ground I think will lead to much larger casualties on both sides and Hamas I guess do not wear uniforms and can try to blend in to the innocent people. On the other hand doing nothing after what happened may encourage further atrocities. " Committing atrocities to avoid more atrocities seems like a poor course of action. | |||
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"collateral damage is inevitable in war, happens in every single war. If the Palestinians don't want Hamas to bring them war and suffer collateral damage, they should do something about it and remove Hamas. I don't want to see innocent people lose their lives, I can't say the same for Hamas. " So you are calling war crimes collateral damage ? | |||
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"collateral damage is inevitable in war, happens in every single war. If the Palestinians don't want Hamas to bring them war and suffer collateral damage, they should do something about it and remove Hamas. I don't want to see innocent people lose their lives, I can't say the same for Hamas. So you are calling war crimes collateral damage ?" Which war crimes are you referring to? Bess | |||
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"collateral damage is inevitable in war, happens in every single war. If the Palestinians don't want Hamas to bring them war and suffer collateral damage, they should do something about it and remove Hamas. I don't want to see innocent people lose their lives, I can't say the same for Hamas. "So agree with war crimes? | |||
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"collateral damage is inevitable in war, happens in every single war. If the Palestinians don't want Hamas to bring them war and suffer collateral damage, they should do something about it and remove Hamas. I don't want to see innocent people lose their lives, I can't say the same for Hamas. So you are calling war crimes collateral damage ? Which war crimes are you referring to? Bess" the bombing of civilains and their homes | |||
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"Israel have the right to wage war on Hamas for their heinous crimes. But not the poor population of Gaza. One war crime does not give clearance to commit more. " | |||
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"collateral damage is inevitable in war, happens in every single war. If the Palestinians don't want Hamas to bring them war and suffer collateral damage, they should do something about it and remove Hamas. I don't want to see innocent people lose their lives, I can't say the same for Hamas. Or the IDF. Hamas knew this would be the reaction, they brought it upon their own people. They are a disgrace " Yes what they done was henious,but the question was a out isreal commiting war crimes | |||
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"collateral damage is inevitable in war, happens in every single war. If the Palestinians don't want Hamas to bring them war and suffer collateral damage, they should do something about it and remove Hamas. I don't want to see innocent people lose their lives, I can't say the same for Hamas. Or the IDF. Hamas knew this would be the reaction, they brought it upon their own people. They are a disgrace So the IDF bear no responsibility for bombing civilians? I'm not deflecting the action that caused the reaction. Of course I would prefer nobody was fighting or being killed, but I believe that Hamas are terrorists and I will never support, promote, sympathise or make excuses for terrorists. No one's asking you to. Just seems like you're very very vocal against some civilians being killed. But don't mention others who are also being killed as part of the same conflict. I did mention civilians being killed and I also mentioned who I blame for those deaths, Hamas. Do you disagree? No, I disagree that Hamas alone are to be blamed for the deaths. They played a part, so has the IDF. Both are equally abhorrent. If Hamas had not killed Israeli's last weekend, Israel would not have launched this attack on Gaza, and in doing so killing Palestinian people. Hamas created the situation and knew of the consequences. Hamas are to blame for the deaths of their own people and they don't care. If Israel's hadn't killed Palestinians before that..... Sure anyway, fair enough, you're allowed to have your opinions, but I can't disagree with you more. The Israeli government and the IDF are also directly responsible for their own actions in bombing and killing civilians. They have choices. This is the going in circles response by both sides for years. Indeed. This is what I said. But what should the Israeli response be to what Hamas done last week? Any of the options that doesn't include bombing civilians Going in on the ground I think will lead to much larger casualties on both sides and Hamas I guess do not wear uniforms and can try to blend in to the innocent people. On the other hand doing nothing after what happened may encourage further atrocities. Committing atrocities to avoid more atrocities seems like a poor course of action. " The going round in circles is the travesty of the situation. So I guess a land operation would come under any other options as long as it did not include bombings. Some bad news (or more bad news) is it appears that Hamas are preventing some civilians from leaving. This seems like they want them as human shields. A glimmer of slightly not so bad news is it also appears that Israel have or will turn the water back on and are under pressure, particularly from America to not be so indiscriminate in their attacks. | |||
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"I think we should look more at this “all the Palestinians are complicit in the actions of Hamas because they knew they were living amongst them”. As an analogy lets loom at Northern Ireland in the 1970/80s. Were ALL the Catholic Northern Irish complicit with the IRA? Were all the Protestant Northern Irish complicit with the UDF? These terrorist organisations are one step up from organised crime. Much of their funding comes from the same activity that organised crime groups operate inc kid-napping, extortion, protection rackets, drug smuggling/dealing, etc etc. If you were a Catholic and knew of people in the IRA would you speak up? Would you grass on them? Or would you keep your mouth shut to protect the lives of your children and family? If the IRA came to you and told you they wanted to hide one of theirs in your house for a bit, or store some equipment. Would you say no? If the IRA had scored a victory would you support it and celebrate it while they were watching and if you didn’t really support it, keep quiet about it? Would you be wary of your neighbours in case they were full on supporters or even involved with the IRA? Now transpose that to Gaza and hand on heart tell me how you would act? Without doubt there are “normal” Palestinians who support Hamas (we have seen footage of celebrations) but there will also be those who don’t but are too scared to speak out. I don’t blame them. I would be too! Hamas is evil and they clearly sit amongst the population, some people will be fearful, some will support them. Hamas, care little what their people think, or if the live or die. Those people celebrating Hamas and their evil killings are also supporting the aftermath of 1.1 million people having to leave their homes, the bombs and the retribution that is happening. I'm sure there are a million and one things we can compare and contrast, but the facts are, Hamas terrorists invaded Israel and killed innocent people, knowing the consequences. They are evil " So your saying again that isreal are allowed to commit war crimes ? | |||
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"I never understand war crimes your at war yes try not to hurt civilians allow them to leave but rest is far game it's war not monopoly.has for Hamas and Palestinians if the don't want to be associated with Hamas give them up or there fair game I honestly don't believe there will be a Gaza left by end of the week." So war crimes and crimes agaist humanity are ok by you ? | |||
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"collateral damage is inevitable in war, happens in every single war. If the Palestinians don't want Hamas to bring them war and suffer collateral damage, they should do something about it and remove Hamas. I don't want to see innocent people lose their lives, I can't say the same for Hamas. Or the IDF. Hamas knew this would be the reaction, they brought it upon their own people. They are a disgrace Yes what they done was henious,but the question was a out isreal commiting war crimes" The fact that no nations on the globe have stepped up to save the refugees or take any speaks volumes 13 million Ukrainians welcomed with open arms, but nobody wants the next generation of Islamic suicide bombers in their country. | |||
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"collateral damage is inevitable in war, happens in every single war. If the Palestinians don't want Hamas to bring them war and suffer collateral damage, they should do something about it and remove Hamas. I don't want to see innocent people lose their lives, I can't say the same for Hamas. Or the IDF. Hamas knew this would be the reaction, they brought it upon their own people. They are a disgrace So the IDF bear no responsibility for bombing civilians? I'm not deflecting the action that caused the reaction. Of course I would prefer nobody was fighting or being killed, but I believe that Hamas are terrorists and I will never support, promote, sympathise or make excuses for terrorists. Sorry to jump in but your opening line felt (to me) rather hand wavey... collateral damage is inevitable in war, happens in every single war. It sounds like you are saying “oh well!” Especially as you then appear to say the Palestinians brought it on themselves. Sorry to do it again but I am going to post my Northern Ireland analogy in relation to Palestinians and Hamas... No I didn't I clearly said Hamas and i clearly have said Hamas are terrorist that have brought war on their own people. " Sorry NotMe this isn’t meant to feel like a dig at you. Passions are running understandable high and at times it is easy to cause or take offence. Above you said... "If the Palestinians don't want Hamas to bring them war and suffer collateral damage, they should do something about it and remove Hamas." And I am saying (and provided a Northern Irish analogy) that is easy for any of us to say from the comfort of our living rooms in the UK. Clearly some of the Palestinians support Hamas. If so, especially based on what they did last Saturday (BTW do we know how widespread the knowledge of what Hamas did is known in Gaza?) then that group are almost as bad as Hamas themselves. But what about the rest of them? | |||
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"If Palestinians want peace, they could have handed over hamas and the hostages 30,000 Hamas fighters/ 1.2 million Palestinian adults, terrorists outnumbered 40:1. Clearly we are missing something, that a lot support Hamas. " 30,000 Hamas fighters armed to the teeth, often with military training, AK47s, rockets and grenades vs 1.2 million unarmed civilians with kids. Come on get real! | |||
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"collateral damage is inevitable in war, happens in every single war. If the Palestinians don't want Hamas to bring them war and suffer collateral damage, they should do something about it and remove Hamas. I don't want to see innocent people lose their lives, I can't say the same for Hamas. Or the IDF. Hamas knew this would be the reaction, they brought it upon their own people. They are a disgrace So the IDF bear no responsibility for bombing civilians? I'm not deflecting the action that caused the reaction. Of course I would prefer nobody was fighting or being killed, but I believe that Hamas are terrorists and I will never support, promote, sympathise or make excuses for terrorists. No one's asking you to. Just seems like you're very very vocal against some civilians being killed. But don't mention others who are also being killed as part of the same conflict. I did mention civilians being killed and I also mentioned who I blame for those deaths, Hamas. Do you disagree? No, I disagree that Hamas alone are to be blamed for the deaths. They played a part, so has the IDF. Both are equally abhorrent. If Hamas had not killed Israeli's last weekend, Israel would not have launched this attack on Gaza, and in doing so killing Palestinian people. Hamas created the situation and knew of the consequences. Hamas are to blame for the deaths of their own people and they don't care. If Israel's hadn't killed Palestinians before that..... Sure anyway, fair enough, you're allowed to have your opinions, but I can't disagree with you more. The Israeli government and the IDF are also directly responsible for their own actions in bombing and killing civilians. They have choices. The terrorist group Hamas had choices too, and chose to throw their people into the line of danger and in some cases death. Very much so, most of us can see that. And can see that bombing civilians is wrong, and that Israel and the IDF are choosing to do this. " And being allowed to by the international community which i think is a disgrace | |||
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"If Palestinians want peace, they could have handed over hamas and the hostages 30,000 Hamas fighters/ 1.2 million Palestinian adults, terrorists outnumbered 40:1. Clearly we are missing something, that a lot support Hamas. " that is the stupidest comment ive heard in a long time | |||
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"collateral damage is inevitable in war, happens in every single war. If the Palestinians don't want Hamas to bring them war and suffer collateral damage, they should do something about it and remove Hamas. I don't want to see innocent people lose their lives, I can't say the same for Hamas. Or the IDF. Hamas knew this would be the reaction, they brought it upon their own people. They are a disgrace Yes what they done was henious,but the question was a out isreal commiting war crimes The fact that no nations on the globe have stepped up to save the refugees or take any speaks volumes 13 million Ukrainians welcomed with open arms, but nobody wants the next generation of Islamic suicide bombers in their country. " And whats your opinion on the war crimes going on? | |||
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" The going round in circles is the travesty of the situation. So I guess a land operation would come under any other options as long as it did not include bombings. Some bad news (or more bad news) is it appears that Hamas are preventing some civilians from leaving. This seems like they want them as human shields. A glimmer of slightly not so bad news is it also appears that Israel have or will turn the water back on and are under pressure, particularly from America to not be so indiscriminate in their attacks." You are totally right about going around in circles. Israel supporters will show Hamas attack as the reason for their attack. Palestine supporters will show something that the IDF did and say that's the reason Hamas attacked. You can go back in history, pick and choose which date you want to start from, and defend/antagonise one of them. Israel's civilians were brutalised. They obviously have to hit back. If not, they will be the victims again. But Hamas as always, uses civilians as shields. There isn't much Israel can do against this kind of warfare. Even if they show enough restraint, there will be civilian victims. I am not sure pressure from US is going to help though. Netanyahu wants to use this as an opportunity to keep his position strong amidst all the allegations. | |||
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"If Palestinians want peace, they could have handed over hamas and the hostages 30,000 Hamas fighters/ 1.2 million Palestinian adults, terrorists outnumbered 40:1. Clearly we are missing something, that a lot support Hamas. 30,000 Hamas fighters armed to the teeth, often with military training, AK47s, rockets and grenades vs 1.2 million unarmed civilians with kids. Come on get real!" | |||
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"I think we should look more at this “all the Palestinians are complicit in the actions of Hamas because they knew they were living amongst them”. As an analogy lets loom at Northern Ireland in the 1970/80s. Were ALL the Catholic Northern Irish complicit with the IRA? Were all the Protestant Northern Irish complicit with the UDF? These terrorist organisations are one step up from organised crime. Much of their funding comes from the same activity that organised crime groups operate inc kid-napping, extortion, protection rackets, drug smuggling/dealing, etc etc. If you were a Catholic and knew of people in the IRA would you speak up? Would you grass on them? Or would you keep your mouth shut to protect the lives of your children and family? If the IRA came to you and told you they wanted to hide one of theirs in your house for a bit, or store some equipment. Would you say no? If the IRA had scored a victory would you support it and celebrate it while they were watching and if you didn’t really support it, keep quiet about it? Would you be wary of your neighbours in case they were full on supporters or even involved with the IRA? Now transpose that to Gaza and hand on heart tell me how you would act? Without doubt there are “normal” Palestinians who support Hamas (we have seen footage of celebrations) but there will also be those who don’t but are too scared to speak out. I don’t blame them. I would be too! Hamas is evil and they clearly sit amongst the population, some people will be fearful, some will support them. Hamas, care little what their people think, or if the live or die. Those people celebrating Hamas and their evil killings are also supporting the aftermath of 1.1 million people having to leave their homes, the bombs and the retribution that is happening. I'm sure there are a million and one things we can compare and contrast, but the facts are, Hamas terrorists invaded Israel and killed innocent people, knowing the consequences. They are evil So your saying again that isreal are allowed to commit war crimes ?" If this is your base response we are not going to get very far. Hamas created a situation that will bring a reaction that will be felt by Palestinians. Hamas terrorists don’t wear uniforms and hide among the population, they slaughter innocents and put their own people in danger. However, let us forget those minor details and concentrate on the response from Israel…which is exactly what these terrorists want you to do, drive division and seek power, at the cost of innocent lives on all sides. I will ask the same question I asked another poster, would this be something we were discussing if Hamas and not terrorised Israel and killed people in Israel who were going about there day? | |||
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"collateral damage is inevitable in war, happens in every single war. If the Palestinians don't want Hamas to bring them war and suffer collateral damage, they should do something about it and remove Hamas. I don't want to see innocent people lose their lives, I can't say the same for Hamas. Or the IDF. Hamas knew this would be the reaction, they brought it upon their own people. They are a disgrace So the IDF bear no responsibility for bombing civilians? I'm not deflecting the action that caused the reaction. Of course I would prefer nobody was fighting or being killed, but I believe that Hamas are terrorists and I will never support, promote, sympathise or make excuses for terrorists. No one's asking you to. Just seems like you're very very vocal against some civilians being killed. But don't mention others who are also being killed as part of the same conflict. I did mention civilians being killed and I also mentioned who I blame for those deaths, Hamas. Do you disagree? No, I disagree that Hamas alone are to be blamed for the deaths. They played a part, so has the IDF. Both are equally abhorrent. If Hamas had not killed Israeli's last weekend, Israel would not have launched this attack on Gaza, and in doing so killing Palestinian people. Hamas created the situation and knew of the consequences. Hamas are to blame for the deaths of their own people and they don't care. If Israel's hadn't killed Palestinians before that..... Sure anyway, fair enough, you're allowed to have your opinions, but I can't disagree with you more. The Israeli government and the IDF are also directly responsible for their own actions in bombing and killing civilians. They have choices. This is the going in circles response by both sides for years. Indeed. This is what I said. But what should the Israeli response be to what Hamas done last week? Any of the options that doesn't include bombing civilians Going in on the ground I think will lead to much larger casualties on both sides and Hamas I guess do not wear uniforms and can try to blend in to the innocent people. On the other hand doing nothing after what happened may encourage further atrocities. Committing atrocities to avoid more atrocities seems like a poor course of action. The going round in circles is the travesty of the situation. So I guess a land operation would come under any other options as long as it did not include bombings. Some bad news (or more bad news) is it appears that Hamas are preventing some civilians from leaving. This seems like they want them as human shields. A glimmer of slightly not so bad news is it also appears that Israel have or will turn the water back on and are under pressure, particularly from America to not be so indiscriminate in their attacks." If Israel want to maintain any semblance of having the moral high ground, if they want to ensure the normalisation process that was advancing with the likes of Saudi Arabia is not derailed (which it seems could be behind the timing of the Hamas attack and supposed Iranian greenlight/encouragement for it) then Israel’s response needs/needed to be seen as being fully in line with the UN and the Geneva Convention. That means avoiding bombing of civilians, cutting off water/food/humanitarian aid, and would mean boots on the ground with the IDF (to minimise civilian casualties). Hamas using civilians as a human shield just shows what cowardly evil bastards they are and would/will harm their standing or legitimacy, even with Arab/muslim nations. Then again, as I said above to NotMe, pretty easy for me to say from comfort of my living room thousands of miles away and not directly suffering any loss to my friends and family. | |||
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"I never understand war crimes your at war yes try not to hurt civilians allow them to leave but rest is far game it's war not monopoly.has for Hamas and Palestinians if the don't want to be associated with Hamas give them up or there fair game I honestly don't believe there will be a Gaza left by end of the week. So war crimes and crimes agaist humanity are ok by you ?" again what is war crimes your at war as for humanity what was humane about what Hamas did last week so I'll ask you what would you do to them | |||
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"The rank hypocrisy on this thread is truly staggering , and I can only presume, led by ignorance. On the 13th-15th of February 1945, British and American forces dropped 39000 tons of high explosive and incendiary bombs on the German city of Dresden. Dresden was a mainly residential city, the houses being mostly built from wood. Experts and politicians from the UK and USA agreed that the Nazis were so fanatical that they would continue slaughtering UK and other European citizens even after they had effectively lost the war. The decision was taken to bomb Dresden in this fashion in the belief that so much shock and trauma to civilians would cause the population of Germany to reject Nazi rule. 25000 children, women and men died in that raid. No prior warnings to the bombings were given. On the 6th and 9th August 1945, the United States detonated two atomic bombs over the Japanese cities of Hiroshima and Nagasaki respectively. The bombings killed between 129,000 and 226,000 people, most of whom were civilian children, women and men. No prior warnings to the bombings were given. Again, experts and politicians from the UK and USA agreed that the Japanese were so fanatical that they would continue the slaughter even after they had effectively lost the war. The decision was taken to bomb Nagasaki and Hiroshima in this fashion in the belief that so much shock and trauma to civilians would cause the Japanese military to surrender. This is the very difficult choice that Israel had to make, but to their credit, they gave a week's warning in an effort to limit civilian casualties. It has been widely reported that Hamas shits have been blockading exit routes, threatening civilians with death unless they stayed home and even some executions of child hostages. They are fanatics of the worst kind. The death of civilians on either side is horrendous, but Hamas are cowards who hide behind civilians to make their attacks. If Israel don't take action in this way, Hamas will never stop. They are fanatics. Lastly, I have a hypothetical for anyone brave enough to respond. You are with your children and a Hamas shit is shooting at you trying to kill your children. You have nowhere to hide. He is hiding behind another child he is using as a shield. Do you shoot him through the child or do you allow your own children to be killed? I'm sure some of you will come up with smart-arse answers, none of which will be applicable because this is exactly the situation that Israel faces but sadly, there is no other answer. Bess" | |||
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"The rank hypocrisy on this thread is truly staggering , and I can only presume, led by ignorance. On the 13th-15th of February 1945, British and American forces dropped 39000 tons of high explosive and incendiary bombs on the German city of Dresden. Dresden was a mainly residential city, the houses being mostly built from wood. Experts and politicians from the UK and USA agreed that the Nazis were so fanatical that they would continue slaughtering UK and other European citizens even after they had effectively lost the war. The decision was taken to bomb Dresden in this fashion in the belief that so much shock and trauma to civilians would cause the population of Germany to reject Nazi rule. 25000 children, women and men died in that raid. No prior warnings to the bombings were given. On the 6th and 9th August 1945, the United States detonated two atomic bombs over the Japanese cities of Hiroshima and Nagasaki respectively. The bombings killed between 129,000 and 226,000 people, most of whom were civilian children, women and men. No prior warnings to the bombings were given. Again, experts and politicians from the UK and USA agreed that the Japanese were so fanatical that they would continue the slaughter even after they had effectively lost the war. The decision was taken to bomb Nagasaki and Hiroshima in this fashion in the belief that so much shock and trauma to civilians would cause the Japanese military to surrender. This is the very difficult choice that Israel had to make, but to their credit, they gave a week's warning in an effort to limit civilian casualties. It has been widely reported that Hamas shits have been blockading exit routes, threatening civilians with death unless they stayed home and even some executions of child hostages. They are fanatics of the worst kind. The death of civilians on either side is horrendous, but Hamas are cowards who hide behind civilians to make their attacks. If Israel don't take action in this way, Hamas will never stop. They are fanatics. Lastly, I have a hypothetical for anyone brave enough to respond. You are with your children and a Hamas shit is shooting at you trying to kill your children. You have nowhere to hide. He is hiding behind another child he is using as a shield. Do you shoot him through the child or do you allow your own children to be killed? I'm sure some of you will come up with smart-arse answers, none of which will be applicable because this is exactly the situation that Israel faces but sadly, there is no other answer. Bess" It cannot really be hypocrisy if none of us were alive or had any ability to speak out against the UK and USA actions in 1945. Your last point is powerful. Being honest, if the only way I could protect my own children/family was to kill the other child to kill the Hamas fighter then that is what I would have to do. But I know I would go to my own grave wracked with guilt through the remainder of my life. | |||
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"The rank hypocrisy on this thread is truly staggering , and I can only presume, led by ignorance. On the 13th-15th of February 1945, British and American forces dropped 39000 tons of high explosive and incendiary bombs on the German city of Dresden. Dresden was a mainly residential city, the houses being mostly built from wood. Experts and politicians from the UK and USA agreed that the Nazis were so fanatical that they would continue slaughtering UK and other European citizens even after they had effectively lost the war. The decision was taken to bomb Dresden in this fashion in the belief that so much shock and trauma to civilians would cause the population of Germany to reject Nazi rule. 25000 children, women and men died in that raid. No prior warnings to the bombings were given. On the 6th and 9th August 1945, the United States detonated two atomic bombs over the Japanese cities of Hiroshima and Nagasaki respectively. The bombings killed between 129,000 and 226,000 people, most of whom were civilian children, women and men. No prior warnings to the bombings were given. Again, experts and politicians from the UK and USA agreed that the Japanese were so fanatical that they would continue the slaughter even after they had effectively lost the war. The decision was taken to bomb Nagasaki and Hiroshima in this fashion in the belief that so much shock and trauma to civilians would cause the Japanese military to surrender. This is the very difficult choice that Israel had to make, but to their credit, they gave a week's warning in an effort to limit civilian casualties. It has been widely reported that Hamas shits have been blockading exit routes, threatening civilians with death unless they stayed home and even some executions of child hostages. They are fanatics of the worst kind. The death of civilians on either side is horrendous, but Hamas are cowards who hide behind civilians to make their attacks. If Israel don't take action in this way, Hamas will never stop. They are fanatics. Lastly, I have a hypothetical for anyone brave enough to respond. You are with your children and a Hamas shit is shooting at you trying to kill your children. You have nowhere to hide. He is hiding behind another child he is using as a shield. Do you shoot him through the child or do you allow your own children to be killed? I'm sure some of you will come up with smart-arse answers, none of which will be applicable because this is exactly the situation that Israel faces but sadly, there is no other answer. Bess "well off subect ,the question is should isreal be forced by the internantìonal community ? | |||
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"The rank hypocrisy on this thread is truly staggering , and I can only presume, led by ignorance. On the 13th-15th of February 1945, British and American forces dropped 39000 tons of high explosive and incendiary bombs on the German city of Dresden. Dresden was a mainly residential city, the houses being mostly built from wood. Experts and politicians from the UK and USA agreed that the Nazis were so fanatical that they would continue slaughtering UK and other European citizens even after they had effectively lost the war. The decision was taken to bomb Dresden in this fashion in the belief that so much shock and trauma to civilians would cause the population of Germany to reject Nazi rule. 25000 children, women and men died in that raid. No prior warnings to the bombings were given. On the 6th and 9th August 1945, the United States detonated two atomic bombs over the Japanese cities of Hiroshima and Nagasaki respectively. The bombings killed between 129,000 and 226,000 people, most of whom were civilian children, women and men. No prior warnings to the bombings were given. Again, experts and politicians from the UK and USA agreed that the Japanese were so fanatical that they would continue the slaughter even after they had effectively lost the war. The decision was taken to bomb Nagasaki and Hiroshima in this fashion in the belief that so much shock and trauma to civilians would cause the Japanese military to surrender. This is the very difficult choice that Israel had to make, but to their credit, they gave a week's warning in an effort to limit civilian casualties. It has been widely reported that Hamas shits have been blockading exit routes, threatening civilians with death unless they stayed home and even some executions of child hostages. They are fanatics of the worst kind. The death of civilians on either side is horrendous, but Hamas are cowards who hide behind civilians to make their attacks. If Israel don't take action in this way, Hamas will never stop. They are fanatics. Lastly, I have a hypothetical for anyone brave enough to respond. You are with your children and a Hamas shit is shooting at you trying to kill your children. You have nowhere to hide. He is hiding behind another child he is using as a shield. Do you shoot him through the child or do you allow your own children to be killed? I'm sure some of you will come up with smart-arse answers, none of which will be applicable because this is exactly the situation that Israel faces but sadly, there is no other answer. Bess well off subect ,the question is should isreal be forced by the internantìonal community ?"to stop commiting war crimes and then stand trial for them? | |||
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"collateral damage is inevitable in war, happens in every single war. If the Palestinians don't want Hamas to bring them war and suffer collateral damage, they should do something about it and remove Hamas. I don't want to see innocent people lose their lives, I can't say the same for Hamas. Or the IDF. Hamas knew this would be the reaction, they brought it upon their own people. They are a disgrace So the IDF bear no responsibility for bombing civilians? I'm not deflecting the action that caused the reaction. Of course I would prefer nobody was fighting or being killed, but I believe that Hamas are terrorists and I will never support, promote, sympathise or make excuses for terrorists. Sorry to jump in but your opening line felt (to me) rather hand wavey... collateral damage is inevitable in war, happens in every single war. It sounds like you are saying “oh well!” Especially as you then appear to say the Palestinians brought it on themselves. Sorry to do it again but I am going to post my Northern Ireland analogy in relation to Palestinians and Hamas... No I didn't I clearly said Hamas and i clearly have said Hamas are terrorist that have brought war on their own people. Sorry NotMe this isn’t meant to feel like a dig at you. Passions are running understandable high and at times it is easy to cause or take offence. Above you said... If the Palestinians don't want Hamas to bring them war and suffer collateral damage, they should do something about it and remove Hamas. And I am saying (and provided a Northern Irish analogy) that is easy for any of us to say from the comfort of our living rooms in the UK. Clearly some of the Palestinians support Hamas. If so, especially based on what they did last Saturday (BTW do we know how widespread the knowledge of what Hamas did is known in Gaza?) then that group are almost as bad as Hamas themselves. But what about the rest of them?" The people of NI suffered at the hands of terrorists in their communities, but we need to look at this analogy as like for like. There was British retaliation to terrorists attacks in NI, but they would never have been on the same level as the response from Israel, the 2 situations are far from comparable. Hamas created a situation last weekend that is going to be felt across the globe for some time to come, they have ignited an Arab v Jew and ultimately a Muslim v West hatred amongst those wanting the hate, and to be quite frank, those stupid enough to be drawn in by it. My point here seems lost, this situation was not a simple retaliatory action from Hamas, it was a measured and evil act that is killing innocents on all sides to create instability, and it is seems to be working | |||
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"The rank hypocrisy on this thread is truly staggering , and I can only presume, led by ignorance. On the 13th-15th of February 1945, British and American forces dropped 39000 tons of high explosive and incendiary bombs on the German city of Dresden. Dresden was a mainly residential city, the houses being mostly built from wood. Experts and politicians from the UK and USA agreed that the Nazis were so fanatical that they would continue slaughtering UK and other European citizens even after they had effectively lost the war. The decision was taken to bomb Dresden in this fashion in the belief that so much shock and trauma to civilians would cause the population of Germany to reject Nazi rule. 25000 children, women and men died in that raid. No prior warnings to the bombings were given. On the 6th and 9th August 1945, the United States detonated two atomic bombs over the Japanese cities of Hiroshima and Nagasaki respectively. The bombings killed between 129,000 and 226,000 people, most of whom were civilian children, women and men. No prior warnings to the bombings were given. Again, experts and politicians from the UK and USA agreed that the Japanese were so fanatical that they would continue the slaughter even after they had effectively lost the war. The decision was taken to bomb Nagasaki and Hiroshima in this fashion in the belief that so much shock and trauma to civilians would cause the Japanese military to surrender. This is the very difficult choice that Israel had to make, but to their credit, they gave a week's warning in an effort to limit civilian casualties. It has been widely reported that Hamas shits have been blockading exit routes, threatening civilians with death unless they stayed home and even some executions of child hostages. They are fanatics of the worst kind. The death of civilians on either side is horrendous, but Hamas are cowards who hide behind civilians to make their attacks. If Israel don't take action in this way, Hamas will never stop. They are fanatics. Lastly, I have a hypothetical for anyone brave enough to respond. You are with your children and a Hamas shit is shooting at you trying to kill your children. You have nowhere to hide. He is hiding behind another child he is using as a shield. Do you shoot him through the child or do you allow your own children to be killed? I'm sure some of you will come up with smart-arse answers, none of which will be applicable because this is exactly the situation that Israel faces but sadly, there is no other answer. Bess well off subect ,the question is should isreal be forced by the internantìonal community ?"I note you lacked the courage to answer my points. Why do you believe my post is not relevant to the thread? Bess | |||
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"collateral damage is inevitable in war, happens in every single war. If the Palestinians don't want Hamas to bring them war and suffer collateral damage, they should do something about it and remove Hamas. I don't want to see innocent people lose their lives, I can't say the same for Hamas. Or the IDF. Hamas knew this would be the reaction, they brought it upon their own people. They are a disgrace Yes what they done was henious,but the question was a out isreal commiting war crimes The fact that no nations on the globe have stepped up to save the refugees or take any speaks volumes 13 million Ukrainians welcomed with open arms, but nobody wants the next generation of Islamic suicide bombers in their country. " Are you saying it's a good thing that non-white people are being discriminated against? | |||
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"collateral damage is inevitable in war, happens in every single war. If the Palestinians don't want Hamas to bring them war and suffer collateral damage, they should do something about it and remove Hamas. I don't want to see innocent people lose their lives, I can't say the same for Hamas. Or the IDF. Hamas knew this would be the reaction, they brought it upon their own people. They are a disgrace Yes what they done was henious,but the question was a out isreal commiting war crimes The fact that no nations on the globe have stepped up to save the refugees or take any speaks volumes 13 million Ukrainians welcomed with open arms, but nobody wants the next generation of Islamic suicide bombers in their country. Are you saying it's a good thing that non-white people are being discriminated against?" Are you saying all muslims are non-white? 
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"The rank hypocrisy on this thread is truly staggering , and I can only presume, led by ignorance. On the 13th-15th of February 1945, British and American forces dropped 39000 tons of high explosive and incendiary bombs on the German city of Dresden. Dresden was a mainly residential city, the houses being mostly built from wood. Experts and politicians from the UK and USA agreed that the Nazis were so fanatical that they would continue slaughtering UK and other European citizens even after they had effectively lost the war. The decision was taken to bomb Dresden in this fashion in the belief that so much shock and trauma to civilians would cause the population of Germany to reject Nazi rule. 25000 children, women and men died in that raid. No prior warnings to the bombings were given. On the 6th and 9th August 1945, the United States detonated two atomic bombs over the Japanese cities of Hiroshima and Nagasaki respectively. The bombings killed between 129,000 and 226,000 people, most of whom were civilian children, women and men. No prior warnings to the bombings were given. Again, experts and politicians from the UK and USA agreed that the Japanese were so fanatical that they would continue the slaughter even after they had effectively lost the war. The decision was taken to bomb Nagasaki and Hiroshima in this fashion in the belief that so much shock and trauma to civilians would cause the Japanese military to surrender. This is the very difficult choice that Israel had to make, but to their credit, they gave a week's warning in an effort to limit civilian casualties. It has been widely reported that Hamas shits have been blockading exit routes, threatening civilians with death unless they stayed home and even some executions of child hostages. They are fanatics of the worst kind. The death of civilians on either side is horrendous, but Hamas are cowards who hide behind civilians to make their attacks. If Israel don't take action in this way, Hamas will never stop. They are fanatics. Lastly, I have a hypothetical for anyone brave enough to respond. You are with your children and a Hamas shit is shooting at you trying to kill your children. You have nowhere to hide. He is hiding behind another child he is using as a shield. Do you shoot him through the child or do you allow your own children to be killed? I'm sure some of you will come up with smart-arse answers, none of which will be applicable because this is exactly the situation that Israel faces but sadly, there is no other answer. Bess" A lot of people call the bombing of Dresden a war crime… it’s not the allies best moment in world war 2 | |||
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"collateral damage is inevitable in war, happens in every single war. If the Palestinians don't want Hamas to bring them war and suffer collateral damage, they should do something about it and remove Hamas. I don't want to see innocent people lose their lives, I can't say the same for Hamas. Or the IDF. Hamas knew this would be the reaction, they brought it upon their own people. They are a disgrace Yes what they done was henious,but the question was a out isreal commiting war crimes The fact that no nations on the globe have stepped up to save the refugees or take any speaks volumes 13 million Ukrainians welcomed with open arms, but nobody wants the next generation of Islamic suicide bombers in their country. Are you saying it's a good thing that non-white people are being discriminated against? Are you saying all muslims are non-white?
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"The rank hypocrisy on this thread is truly staggering , and I can only presume, led by ignorance. On the 13th-15th of February 1945, British and American forces dropped 39000 tons of high explosive and incendiary bombs on the German city of Dresden. Dresden was a mainly residential city, the houses being mostly built from wood. Experts and politicians from the UK and USA agreed that the Nazis were so fanatical that they would continue slaughtering UK and other European citizens even after they had effectively lost the war. The decision was taken to bomb Dresden in this fashion in the belief that so much shock and trauma to civilians would cause the population of Germany to reject Nazi rule. 25000 children, women and men died in that raid. No prior warnings to the bombings were given. On the 6th and 9th August 1945, the United States detonated two atomic bombs over the Japanese cities of Hiroshima and Nagasaki respectively. The bombings killed between 129,000 and 226,000 people, most of whom were civilian children, women and men. No prior warnings to the bombings were given. Again, experts and politicians from the UK and USA agreed that the Japanese were so fanatical that they would continue the slaughter even after they had effectively lost the war. The decision was taken to bomb Nagasaki and Hiroshima in this fashion in the belief that so much shock and trauma to civilians would cause the Japanese military to surrender. This is the very difficult choice that Israel had to make, but to their credit, they gave a week's warning in an effort to limit civilian casualties. It has been widely reported that Hamas shits have been blockading exit routes, threatening civilians with death unless they stayed home and even some executions of child hostages. They are fanatics of the worst kind. The death of civilians on either side is horrendous, but Hamas are cowards who hide behind civilians to make their attacks. If Israel don't take action in this way, Hamas will never stop. They are fanatics. Lastly, I have a hypothetical for anyone brave enough to respond. You are with your children and a Hamas shit is shooting at you trying to kill your children. You have nowhere to hide. He is hiding behind another child he is using as a shield. Do you shoot him through the child or do you allow your own children to be killed? I'm sure some of you will come up with smart-arse answers, none of which will be applicable because this is exactly the situation that Israel faces but sadly, there is no other answer. Bess A lot of people call the bombing of Dresden a war crime… it’s not the allies best moment in world war 2 " I'm sure a lot of people do, yet if it hadn't happened, there is a strong chance that those people wouldn't even exist now. The same with Nagasaki and Hiroshima. You're American, aren't you? Bess | |||
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"collateral damage is inevitable in war, happens in every single war. If the Palestinians don't want Hamas to bring them war and suffer collateral damage, they should do something about it and remove Hamas. I don't want to see innocent people lose their lives, I can't say the same for Hamas. Or the IDF. Hamas knew this would be the reaction, they brought it upon their own people. They are a disgrace So the IDF bear no responsibility for bombing civilians? I'm not deflecting the action that caused the reaction. Of course I would prefer nobody was fighting or being killed, but I believe that Hamas are terrorists and I will never support, promote, sympathise or make excuses for terrorists. No one's asking you to. Just seems like you're very very vocal against some civilians being killed. But don't mention others who are also being killed as part of the same conflict. I did mention civilians being killed and I also mentioned who I blame for those deaths, Hamas. Do you disagree? No, I disagree that Hamas alone are to be blamed for the deaths. They played a part, so has the IDF. Both are equally abhorrent. If Hamas had not killed Israeli's last weekend, Israel would not have launched this attack on Gaza, and in doing so killing Palestinian people. Hamas created the situation and knew of the consequences. Hamas are to blame for the deaths of their own people and they don't care. If Israel's hadn't killed Palestinians before that..... Sure anyway, fair enough, you're allowed to have your opinions, but I can't disagree with you more. The Israeli government and the IDF are also directly responsible for their own actions in bombing and killing civilians. They have choices. This is the going in circles response by both sides for years. Indeed. This is what I said. But what should the Israeli response be to what Hamas done last week? Any of the options that doesn't include bombing civilians Going in on the ground I think will lead to much larger casualties on both sides and Hamas I guess do not wear uniforms and can try to blend in to the innocent people. On the other hand doing nothing after what happened may encourage further atrocities. Committing atrocities to avoid more atrocities seems like a poor course of action. The going round in circles is the travesty of the situation. So I guess a land operation would come under any other options as long as it did not include bombings. Some bad news (or more bad news) is it appears that Hamas are preventing some civilians from leaving. This seems like they want them as human shields. A glimmer of slightly not so bad news is it also appears that Israel have or will turn the water back on and are under pressure, particularly from America to not be so indiscriminate in their attacks. If Israel want to maintain any semblance of having the moral high ground, if they want to ensure the normalisation process that was advancing with the likes of Saudi Arabia is not derailed (which it seems could be behind the timing of the Hamas attack and supposed Iranian greenlight/encouragement for it) then Israel’s response needs/needed to be seen as being fully in line with the UN and the Geneva Convention. That means avoiding bombing of civilians, cutting off water/food/humanitarian aid, and would mean boots on the ground with the IDF (to minimise civilian casualties). Hamas using civilians as a human shield just shows what cowardly evil bastards they are and would/will harm their standing or legitimacy, even with Arab/muslim nations. Then again, as I said above to NotMe, pretty easy for me to say from comfort of my living room thousands of miles away and not directly suffering any loss to my friends and family." So ground invasion could be the way to go. The way Hamas use human shields makes me wonder if troops on the ground will mean a reduction in civilian casualties as they will be faced with kill or be killed situations. Hopefully your right and it will be less bloody for those innocents. Totally agree with the act being to disrupt or destroy the process between Israel and Saudi Arabia and mentioned this on another thread. I think (just my opinion) this is one of the reasons why Hamas acted so barbaric with what was once thought as scare stories turning out to be true. I think apart from the fact that they are evil, they felt the need to go really brutal to ensure a big response. | |||
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"collateral damage is inevitable in war, happens in every single war. If the Palestinians don't want Hamas to bring them war and suffer collateral damage, they should do something about it and remove Hamas. I don't want to see innocent people lose their lives, I can't say the same for Hamas. Or the IDF. Hamas knew this would be the reaction, they brought it upon their own people. They are a disgrace Yes what they done was henious,but the question was a out isreal commiting war crimes The fact that no nations on the globe have stepped up to save the refugees or take any speaks volumes 13 million Ukrainians welcomed with open arms, but nobody wants the next generation of Islamic suicide bombers in their country. Are you saying it's a good thing that non-white people are being discriminated against? Are you saying all muslims are non-white?
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"collateral damage is inevitable in war, happens in every single war. If the Palestinians don't want Hamas to bring them war and suffer collateral damage, they should do something about it and remove Hamas. I don't want to see innocent people lose their lives, I can't say the same for Hamas. Or the IDF. Hamas knew this would be the reaction, they brought it upon their own people. They are a disgrace So the IDF bear no responsibility for bombing civilians? I'm not deflecting the action that caused the reaction. Of course I would prefer nobody was fighting or being killed, but I believe that Hamas are terrorists and I will never support, promote, sympathise or make excuses for terrorists. Sorry to jump in but your opening line felt (to me) rather hand wavey... collateral damage is inevitable in war, happens in every single war. It sounds like you are saying “oh well!” Especially as you then appear to say the Palestinians brought it on themselves. Sorry to do it again but I am going to post my Northern Ireland analogy in relation to Palestinians and Hamas... No I didn't I clearly said Hamas and i clearly have said Hamas are terrorist that have brought war on their own people. Sorry NotMe this isn’t meant to feel like a dig at you. Passions are running understandable high and at times it is easy to cause or take offence. Above you said... If the Palestinians don't want Hamas to bring them war and suffer collateral damage, they should do something about it and remove Hamas. And I am saying (and provided a Northern Irish analogy) that is easy for any of us to say from the comfort of our living rooms in the UK. Clearly some of the Palestinians support Hamas. If so, especially based on what they did last Saturday (BTW do we know how widespread the knowledge of what Hamas did is known in Gaza?) then that group are almost as bad as Hamas themselves. But what about the rest of them? The people of NI suffered at the hands of terrorists in their communities, but we need to look at this analogy as like for like. There was British retaliation to terrorists attacks in NI, but they would never have been on the same level as the response from Israel, the 2 situations are far from comparable. Hamas created a situation last weekend that is going to be felt across the globe for some time to come, they have ignited an Arab v Jew and ultimately a Muslim v West hatred amongst those wanting the hate, and to be quite frank, those stupid enough to be drawn in by it. My point here seems lost, this situation was not a simple retaliatory action from Hamas, it was a measured and evil act that is killing innocents on all sides to create instability, and it is seems to be working" Of course the analogy isn’t a perfect fit because there is nothing I can recall that would adequately reflect the evil that Hamas did last week. However, two things on this: 1. If the IRA had massacred 1200 and upwards Protestants in Northern Ireland the UK Govt would still not have flown in warplanes and bombed Belfast. They would have used ground troops door-to-door. 2. The catholic community would have been rightly terrified of the IRA if they had acted like Hamas and I maintain people would have done as the IRA told them regardless of how outraged they might be. The whole point of the analogy is that normal people cannot be assumed to be supporting terrorists simply by virtue of not speaking out against them. Normal people would be shit scared! | |||
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"collateral damage is inevitable in war, happens in every single war. If the Palestinians don't want Hamas to bring them war and suffer collateral damage, they should do something about it and remove Hamas. I don't want to see innocent people lose their lives, I can't say the same for Hamas. Or the IDF. Hamas knew this would be the reaction, they brought it upon their own people. They are a disgrace Yes what they done was henious,but the question was a out isreal commiting war crimes The fact that no nations on the globe have stepped up to save the refugees or take any speaks volumes 13 million Ukrainians welcomed with open arms, but nobody wants the next generation of Islamic suicide bombers in their country. Are you saying it's a good thing that non-white people are being discriminated against? Are you saying all muslims are non-white?
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"If Palestinians want peace, they could have handed over hamas and the hostages 30,000 Hamas fighters/ 1.2 million Palestinian adults, terrorists outnumbered 40:1. Clearly we are missing something, that a lot support Hamas. " Fear causes paralysis | |||
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"collateral damage is inevitable in war, happens in every single war. If the Palestinians don't want Hamas to bring them war and suffer collateral damage, they should do something about it and remove Hamas. I don't want to see innocent people lose their lives, I can't say the same for Hamas. Or the IDF. Hamas knew this would be the reaction, they brought it upon their own people. They are a disgrace Yes what they done was henious,but the question was a out isreal commiting war crimes" Depends upon who you ask. | |||
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"Am I the only one thinking, that when Israel go into Gaza, and clear hamas out, will they then leave Gaza?" Well history says in 1948 and in 1967, Israel didn’t…. That is some of the reasons why a lot of people want to stay | |||
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"The rank hypocrisy on this thread is truly staggering , and I can only presume, led by ignorance. On the 13th-15th of February 1945, British and American forces dropped 39000 tons of high explosive and incendiary bombs on the German city of Dresden. Dresden was a mainly residential city, the houses being mostly built from wood. Experts and politicians from the UK and USA agreed that the Nazis were so fanatical that they would continue slaughtering UK and other European citizens even after they had effectively lost the war. The decision was taken to bomb Dresden in this fashion in the belief that so much shock and trauma to civilians would cause the population of Germany to reject Nazi rule. 25000 children, women and men died in that raid. No prior warnings to the bombings were given. On the 6th and 9th August 1945, the United States detonated two atomic bombs over the Japanese cities of Hiroshima and Nagasaki respectively. The bombings killed between 129,000 and 226,000 people, most of whom were civilian children, women and men. No prior warnings to the bombings were given. Again, experts and politicians from the UK and USA agreed that the Japanese were so fanatical that they would continue the slaughter even after they had effectively lost the war. The decision was taken to bomb Nagasaki and Hiroshima in this fashion in the belief that so much shock and trauma to civilians would cause the Japanese military to surrender. This is the very difficult choice that Israel had to make, but to their credit, they gave a week's warning in an effort to limit civilian casualties. It has been widely reported that Hamas shits have been blockading exit routes, threatening civilians with death unless they stayed home and even some executions of child hostages. They are fanatics of the worst kind. The death of civilians on either side is horrendous, but Hamas are cowards who hide behind civilians to make their attacks. If Israel don't take action in this way, Hamas will never stop. They are fanatics. Lastly, I have a hypothetical for anyone brave enough to respond. You are with your children and a Hamas shit is shooting at you trying to kill your children. You have nowhere to hide. He is hiding behind another child he is using as a shield. Do you shoot him through the child or do you allow your own children to be killed? I'm sure some of you will come up with smart-arse answers, none of which will be applicable because this is exactly the situation that Israel faces but sadly, there is no other answer. Bess" Funny you forgot to mention the Germans bombing Coventry to bits | |||
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"The whole LK programme (with Victoria Derbyshire) was dedicated to this conflict. Some heads needed wobbling but most views were sensible. Yes Israelis have the right to defend themselves but in retaliation must abide by humanitarian laws." Like Hamas did? Don't get me wrong, I don't condone any civilian casualties caused by Israel, but Hames will often site their rocket launchers, military barracks and HQs in civilian buildings. Israel will often give warnings where possible to local civilians to evacuate an area before bombing. | |||
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"Palestine elected Hamas, and were cheering on the streets last weekend after Israelis were burnt and beheaded. Between 1979 and May 2021, 48,035 Islamist terrorist attacks around the world, which have resulted in the deaths of at least 210,138 people, of all nationality and colour. " Yawn. Lazy uneducated copy and paste stuff | |||
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"The whole LK programme (with Victoria Derbyshire) was dedicated to this conflict. Some heads needed wobbling but most views were sensible. Yes Israelis have the right to defend themselves but in retaliation must abide by humanitarian laws. Like Hamas did? Don't get me wrong, I don't condone any civilian casualties caused by Israel, but Hames will often site their rocket launchers, military barracks and HQs in civilian buildings. Israel will often give warnings where possible to local civilians to evacuate an area before bombing." In war there's the aggressor. In retaliation, one must not assume transgressor apparel. IE two wrongs don't make a right. | |||
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"Palestine elected Hamas, and were cheering on the streets last weekend after Israelis were burnt and beheaded. Between 1979 and May 2021, 48,035 Islamist terrorist attacks around the world, which have resulted in the deaths of at least 210,138 people, of all nationality and colour. Of course this is dwarfed by the number of civilians killed by just the US and UK in Iraq and Afghanistan. Which I'm sure you were about to mention. " Those certainly were war crimes, however, I am unclear if Israel can be accused of committing war crimes since they are currently not in a state of war but responding to terrorist activities - not that I am defending their actions, far from it, it's just that people do have a tendancy to incorrectly brandish the term 'war crimes' a little too easily. No doubt they are committing Human rights offences | |||
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"Palestine elected Hamas, and were cheering on the streets last weekend after Israelis were burnt and beheaded. Between 1979 and May 2021, 48,035 Islamist terrorist attacks around the world, which have resulted in the deaths of at least 210,138 people, of all nationality and colour. Of course this is dwarfed by the number of civilians killed by just the US and UK in Iraq and Afghanistan. Which I'm sure you were about to mention. Those certainly were war crimes, however, I am unclear if Israel can be accused of committing war crimes since they are currently not in a state of war but responding to terrorist activities - not that I am defending their actions, far from it, it's just that people do have a tendancy to incorrectly brandish the term 'war crimes' a little too easily. No doubt they are committing Human rights offences" I always wonder, if Hamas had high tech weaponry, and killed more civilians, would they not be labelled a terrorist group? | |||
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"Palestine elected Hamas, and were cheering on the streets last weekend after Israelis were burnt and beheaded. Between 1979 and May 2021, 48,035 Islamist terrorist attacks around the world, which have resulted in the deaths of at least 210,138 people, of all nationality and colour. Of course this is dwarfed by the number of civilians killed by just the US and UK in Iraq and Afghanistan. Which I'm sure you were about to mention. Those certainly were war crimes, however, I am unclear if Israel can be accused of committing war crimes since they are currently not in a state of war but responding to terrorist activities - not that I am defending their actions, far from it, it's just that people do have a tendancy to incorrectly brandish the term 'war crimes' a little too easily. No doubt they are committing Human rights offences" according to the primeminister benny they are at war | |||
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"Palestine elected Hamas, and were cheering on the streets last weekend after Israelis were burnt and beheaded. Between 1979 and May 2021, 48,035 Islamist terrorist attacks around the world, which have resulted in the deaths of at least 210,138 people, of all nationality and colour. " Sorry. I'm a bit confused. Are you blaming Hamas for all this death and destruction? Since 2008 there have been 6400 Palestinian fatalities. And 300 Israeli fatalities. We are not comparing like with like. 2 million people held in what is basically some kind of internment camp. Hardly surprising that they might fight back now and then. | |||
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"Very good speeches from both Sunak and Starmer in HoC earlier. Condemnation of Hamas, support for Israel, call for response to not be collective punishment or create a humanitarian crisis, support for ordinary Palestinians, recognition that Hamas do not speak for all Palestinians or all muslims, support for Jewish community in UK and condemnation of anti-semitic behaviour and also islamaphobia. The right balance I would say and Westminster aligned and with one voice." rishi has changed his tune then? Other day what he was saying sounded like he was ok with whatever isreal wanted to do, wouldnt even call the isreali goverment out on turning the power or water off, or telling half the population they had to leave the north | |||
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"What i took from the statement is that isreal can do what it wants and the international community will back them,also if your on a march or rally and support palestine then your a criminal " Not what I heard. Clearly outlining to Israel an expectation to not punish civilians and allow humanitarian aid. | |||
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"What i took from the statement is that isreal can do what it wants and the international community will back them,also if your on a march or rally and support palestine then your a criminal " Perhaps you explain to the group why you support scum who behead babies? Bess | |||
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"What i took from the statement is that isreal can do what it wants and the international community will back them,also if your on a march or rally and support palestine then your a criminal Perhaps you explain to the group why you support scum who behead babies? Bess" maybe can show the group were i said that i support hamas ? | |||
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"What i took from the statement is that isreal can do what it wants and the international community will back them,also if your on a march or rally and support palestine then your a criminal Not what I heard. Clearly outlining to Israel an expectation to not punish civilians and allow humanitarian aid." yet not once after being asked did he condemm them for commiting war crimes by bombing innocent civilians,and if he did then i didnt hear it and im wrong | |||
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"What i took from the statement is that isreal can do what it wants and the international community will back them,also if your on a march or rally and support palestine then your a criminal Not what I heard. Clearly outlining to Israel an expectation to not punish civilians and allow humanitarian aid.yet not once after being asked did he condemm them for commiting war crimes by bombing innocent civilians,and if he did then i didnt hear it and im wrong" Did Hamas give Israeli citizens a warning at all prior to their attack ? | |||
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"What i took from the statement is that isreal can do what it wants and the international community will back them,also if your on a march or rally and support palestine then your a criminal Not what I heard. Clearly outlining to Israel an expectation to not punish civilians and allow humanitarian aid.yet not once after being asked did he condemm them for commiting war crimes by bombing innocent civilians,and if he did then i didnt hear it and im wrong" I see Hamas soldiers were filmed murdering female soldiers who had surrendered today. Absolute fucking scum. Why do you support them? Bess | |||
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"What i took from the statement is that isreal can do what it wants and the international community will back them,also if your on a march or rally and support palestine then your a criminal Not what I heard. Clearly outlining to Israel an expectation to not punish civilians and allow humanitarian aid.yet not once after being asked did he condemm them for commiting war crimes by bombing innocent civilians,and if he did then i didnt hear it and im wrong Did Hamas give Israeli citizens a warning at all prior to their attack ? " No. Hamas are scum. I hope the IDF hunt them down and kill them all. Israel needs to be more civilised in response no matter how angry otherwise they end up no better so do what they can to avoid civilian casualties. | |||
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"What i took from the statement is that isreal can do what it wants and the international community will back them,also if your on a march or rally and support palestine then your a criminal Not what I heard. Clearly outlining to Israel an expectation to not punish civilians and allow humanitarian aid.yet not once after being asked did he condemm them for commiting war crimes by bombing innocent civilians,and if he did then i didnt hear it and im wrong I see Hamas soldiers were filmed murdering female soldiers who had surrendered today. Absolute fucking scum. Why do you support them? Bess " I am not seeing the OP supporting Hamas? I see him concerned about Palestinian civilians. | |||
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"What i took from the statement is that isreal can do what it wants and the international community will back them,also if your on a march or rally and support palestine then your a criminal Not what I heard. Clearly outlining to Israel an expectation to not punish civilians and allow humanitarian aid.yet not once after being asked did he condemm them for commiting war crimes by bombing innocent civilians,and if he did then i didnt hear it and im wrong Did Hamas give Israeli citizens a warning at all prior to their attack ? " Not as far as I know but then Hamas target's civilians on purpose and kills, tortures and mutilate their victim's. Apparently many of the bodies of the victim's recovered show that they were tortured as well as beheading babies. I think though that Israel could be more careful in their bombings. | |||
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"What i took from the statement is that isreal can do what it wants and the international community will back them,also if your on a march or rally and support palestine then your a criminal Perhaps you explain to the group why you support scum who behead babies? Bessmaybe can show the group were i said that i support hamas ?" So, Hamas have executed soldiers who had surrendered, beheaded babies, r*ped and murdered pregnant women and taken and executed, according to independent reports, hostages including children and the elderly. And what "war crime" is it that you're whining about? Oh yes, Israel giving a weeks notice for people to evacuate an impending war zone. Tell everybody why you support this? Bess | |||
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"What i took from the statement is that isreal can do what it wants and the international community will back them,also if your on a march or rally and support palestine then your a criminal Not what I heard. Clearly outlining to Israel an expectation to not punish civilians and allow humanitarian aid.yet not once after being asked did he condemm them for commiting war crimes by bombing innocent civilians,and if he did then i didnt hear it and im wrong Did Hamas give Israeli citizens a warning at all prior to their attack ? No. Hamas are scum. I hope the IDF hunt them down and kill them all. Israel needs to be more civilised in response no matter how angry otherwise they end up no better so do what they can to avoid civilian casualties. " If the person killing your children is hiding behind a child, what would you do? Bess | |||
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"What i took from the statement is that isreal can do what it wants and the international community will back them,also if your on a march or rally and support palestine then your a criminal Not what I heard. Clearly outlining to Israel an expectation to not punish civilians and allow humanitarian aid.yet not once after being asked did he condemm them for commiting war crimes by bombing innocent civilians,and if he did then i didnt hear it and im wrong Did Hamas give Israeli citizens a warning at all prior to their attack ? No. Hamas are scum. I hope the IDF hunt them down and kill them all. Israel needs to be more civilised in response no matter how angry otherwise they end up no better so do what they can to avoid civilian casualties. If the person killing your children is hiding behind a child, what would you do? Bess" I have already answered that. | |||
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"What i took from the statement is that isreal can do what it wants and the international community will back them,also if your on a march or rally and support palestine then your a criminal Not what I heard. Clearly outlining to Israel an expectation to not punish civilians and allow humanitarian aid.yet not once after being asked did he condemm them for commiting war crimes by bombing innocent civilians,and if he did then i didnt hear it and im wrong Did Hamas give Israeli citizens a warning at all prior to their attack ? No. Hamas are scum. I hope the IDF hunt them down and kill them all. Israel needs to be more civilised in response no matter how angry otherwise they end up no better so do what they can to avoid civilian casualties. If the person killing your children is hiding behind a child, what would you do? Bess I have already answered that. " Please remind me of your answer. Bess | |||
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"What i took from the statement is that isreal can do what it wants and the international community will back them,also if your on a march or rally and support palestine then your a criminal Not what I heard. Clearly outlining to Israel an expectation to not punish civilians and allow humanitarian aid.yet not once after being asked did he condemm them for commiting war crimes by bombing innocent civilians,and if he did then i didnt hear it and im wrong Did Hamas give Israeli citizens a warning at all prior to their attack ? Not as far as I know but then Hamas target's civilians on purpose and kills, tortures and mutilate their victim's. Apparently many of the bodies of the victim's recovered show that they were tortured as well as beheading babies. I think though that Israel could be more careful in their bombings. " The problem is the density of the buildings and that Hamas specifically use civilian housing, hospitals etc to house their weapons and other assets, using missiles to target those places is going to create civilian casualties. And that is why they will go in on foot, it is the only way to eradicate the terrorists, however I do feel many will have slipped away amongst the population and headed North. | |||
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"What i took from the statement is that isreal can do what it wants and the international community will back them,also if your on a march or rally and support palestine then your a criminal Not what I heard. Clearly outlining to Israel an expectation to not punish civilians and allow humanitarian aid.yet not once after being asked did he condemm them for commiting war crimes by bombing innocent civilians,and if he did then i didnt hear it and im wrong Did Hamas give Israeli citizens a warning at all prior to their attack ? No. Hamas are scum. I hope the IDF hunt them down and kill them all. Israel needs to be more civilised in response no matter how angry otherwise they end up no better so do what they can to avoid civilian casualties. If the person killing your children is hiding behind a child, what would you do? Bess I have already answered that. Please remind me of your answer. Bess" Scroll up | |||
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"Never thought I would agree with Piers Morgan on anything but... “If you feel no sympathy for innocent Israelis murdered or kid-napped by Hamas terrorists last weekend, you have no humanity. If you feel no sympathy for innocent Palestinians killed in Israel's revenge attacks on Gaza, you have no humanity. Be human.”" Sympathy for the innocent victims on both sides. That said, both sides cling to religious fanaticism that fuels hatred and prevents reconciliation. Humankind has to move on from this hocus pocus. | |||
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"What i took from the statement is that isreal can do what it wants and the international community will back them,also if your on a march or rally and support palestine then your a criminal Not what I heard. Clearly outlining to Israel an expectation to not punish civilians and allow humanitarian aid.yet not once after being asked did he condemm them for commiting war crimes by bombing innocent civilians,and if he did then i didnt hear it and im wrong Did Hamas give Israeli citizens a warning at all prior to their attack ? No. Hamas are scum. I hope the IDF hunt them down and kill them all. Israel needs to be more civilised in response no matter how angry otherwise they end up no better so do what they can to avoid civilian casualties. If the person killing your children is hiding behind a child, what would you do? Bess" Not murder more children maybe? Sounds wild. But it's probably the best option. | |||
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"What i took from the statement is that isreal can do what it wants and the international community will back them,also if your on a march or rally and support palestine then your a criminal Not what I heard. Clearly outlining to Israel an expectation to not punish civilians and allow humanitarian aid." But then the Israeli fighter jets go and bomb the rafah crossing again….. so no one can get out and no humanitarian aid can get in… So… what game is Israel really playing here… | |||
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"What i took from the statement is that isreal can do what it wants and the international community will back them,also if your on a march or rally and support palestine then your a criminal Not what I heard. Clearly outlining to Israel an expectation to not punish civilians and allow humanitarian aid. But then the Israeli fighter jets go and bomb the rafah crossing again….. so no one can get out and no humanitarian aid can get in… So… what game is Israel really playing here… " What was their target, the crossing or the fleeing terrorists to the North? What are the facts? | |||
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"What i took from the statement is that isreal can do what it wants and the international community will back them,also if your on a march or rally and support palestine then your a criminal Not what I heard. Clearly outlining to Israel an expectation to not punish civilians and allow humanitarian aid.yet not once after being asked did he condemm them for commiting war crimes by bombing innocent civilians,and if he did then i didnt hear it and im wrong Did Hamas give Israeli citizens a warning at all prior to their attack ? No. Hamas are scum. I hope the IDF hunt them down and kill them all. Israel needs to be more civilised in response no matter how angry otherwise they end up no better so do what they can to avoid civilian casualties. If the person killing your children is hiding behind a child, what would you do? Bess Not murder more children maybe? Sounds wild. But it's probably the best option. " At the cost of losing your own children? Now that's wild. Only people on the internet say that. | |||
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"What i took from the statement is that isreal can do what it wants and the international community will back them,also if your on a march or rally and support palestine then your a criminal Perhaps you explain to the group why you support scum who behead babies? Bessmaybe can show the group were i said that i support hamas ? So, Hamas have executed soldiers who had surrendered, beheaded babies, r*ped and murdered pregnant women and taken and executed, according to independent reports, hostages including children and the elderly. And what "war crime" is it that you're whining about? Oh yes, Israel giving a weeks notice for people to evacuate an impending war zone. Tell everybody why you support this? Bess" Also… since even the Israeli government are not confirming the beheading of babies stories do you want to stop repeating it… it’s all social media but no one is confirming.. not the us government, cnn even made an apology about it …. | |||
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"What i took from the statement is that isreal can do what it wants and the international community will back them,also if your on a march or rally and support palestine then your a criminal Not what I heard. Clearly outlining to Israel an expectation to not punish civilians and allow humanitarian aid. But then the Israeli fighter jets go and bomb the rafah crossing again….. so no one can get out and no humanitarian aid can get in… So… what game is Israel really playing here… What was their target, the crossing or the fleeing terrorists to the North? What are the facts?" Well if they tell people to go south, and they say that foreign nationals should go there to leave via Egypt… If it’s the only potential way in or out… and there are un lorries waiting on the other side with humanitarian aid to go in… and Israel are bombing the road in and out | |||
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"What i took from the statement is that isreal can do what it wants and the international community will back them,also if your on a march or rally and support palestine then your a criminal Perhaps you explain to the group why you support scum who behead babies? Bessmaybe can show the group were i said that i support hamas ? So, Hamas have executed soldiers who had surrendered, beheaded babies, r*ped and murdered pregnant women and taken and executed, according to independent reports, hostages including children and the elderly. And what "war crime" is it that you're whining about? Oh yes, Israel giving a weeks notice for people to evacuate an impending war zone. Tell everybody why you support this? Bess Also… since even the Israeli government are not confirming the beheading of babies stories do you want to stop repeating it… it’s all social media but no one is confirming.. not the us government, cnn even made an apology about it …." Let’s put that to one side for a moment as whether the acts of evil were one way or another… Did Hamas terrorists kill babies and children as they came across them? | |||
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"What i took from the statement is that isreal can do what it wants and the international community will back them,also if your on a march or rally and support palestine then your a criminal Perhaps you explain to the group why you support scum who behead babies? Bessmaybe can show the group were i said that i support hamas ? So, Hamas have executed soldiers who had surrendered, beheaded babies, r*ped and murdered pregnant women and taken and executed, according to independent reports, hostages including children and the elderly. And what "war crime" is it that you're whining about? Oh yes, Israel giving a weeks notice for people to evacuate an impending war zone. Tell everybody why you support this? Bess Also… since even the Israeli government are not confirming the beheading of babies stories do you want to stop repeating it… it’s all social media but no one is confirming.. not the us government, cnn even made an apology about it …." There is no evidence of "beheading". IDF just commented that it's disrespectful to talk about the dead like that. But, there is evidence that babies were killed. It doesn't make the act less bad. | |||
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"What i took from the statement is that isreal can do what it wants and the international community will back them,also if your on a march or rally and support palestine then your a criminal Perhaps you explain to the group why you support scum who behead babies? Bessmaybe can show the group were i said that i support hamas ? So, Hamas have executed soldiers who had surrendered, beheaded babies, r*ped and murdered pregnant women and taken and executed, according to independent reports, hostages including children and the elderly. And what "war crime" is it that you're whining about? Oh yes, Israel giving a weeks notice for people to evacuate an impending war zone. Tell everybody why you support this? Bess Also… since even the Israeli government are not confirming the beheading of babies stories do you want to stop repeating it… it’s all social media but no one is confirming.. not the us government, cnn even made an apology about it …. Let’s put that to one side for a moment as whether the acts of evil were one way or another… Did Hamas terrorists kill babies and children as they came across them?" I am not for one second condoning any of the actions of Hamas.. I find it absolutely abhorrent! I am not condoning Israeli retaliation either… it may have started off as a targeted bombing response... 2000 bombing raids later I think now it’s way past that and it’s now collective punishment, especially with the inhumane blockade of fuel, water electricity and food | |||
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"What i took from the statement is that isreal can do what it wants and the international community will back them,also if your on a march or rally and support palestine then your a criminal Not what I heard. Clearly outlining to Israel an expectation to not punish civilians and allow humanitarian aid.yet not once after being asked did he condemm them for commiting war crimes by bombing innocent civilians,and if he did then i didnt hear it and im wrong Did Hamas give Israeli citizens a warning at all prior to their attack ? " We all know the answer to that and its no ,but thats not what was asked | |||
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"What i took from the statement is that isreal can do what it wants and the international community will back them,also if your on a march or rally and support palestine then your a criminal Not what I heard. Clearly outlining to Israel an expectation to not punish civilians and allow humanitarian aid.yet not once after being asked did he condemm them for commiting war crimes by bombing innocent civilians,and if he did then i didnt hear it and im wrong I see Hamas soldiers were filmed murdering female soldiers who had surrendered today. Absolute fucking scum. Why do you support them? Bess " As i have asked you before where in this thread have i said i support hamas? | |||
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" There is no evidence of "beheading". IDF just commented that it's disrespectful to talk about the dead like that. But, there is evidence that babies were killed. It doesn't make the act less bad." We can draw our own conclusions. https://www.timesofisrael.com/netanyahus-office-releases-horrifying-images-of-infants-murdered-by-hamas/amp/ | |||
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"What i took from the statement is that isreal can do what it wants and the international community will back them,also if your on a march or rally and support palestine then your a criminal Not what I heard. Clearly outlining to Israel an expectation to not punish civilians and allow humanitarian aid.yet not once after being asked did he condemm them for commiting war crimes by bombing innocent civilians,and if he did then i didnt hear it and im wrong I see Hamas soldiers were filmed murdering female soldiers who had surrendered today. Absolute fucking scum. Why do you support them? Bess I am not seeing the OP supporting Hamas? I see him concerned about Palestinian civilians. " Thanks,i do not support hamas,im asking why are the international community letting isreal bomb innocent civilians | |||
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"In other news more terror attacks in Brussels tonight A video posted on social media of an Arabic-speaking man claimed he carried out the attack in the name of God" Yeah people have been looking at the war seriously and have missed certain things happening in Europe. The stabbing of the French teacher and now the Brussels incident. Many Palestine supporters have been publicly making horrible things about jews in general and yet the police could do nothing about it. Meanwhile, someone poured red paint in a Jewish school https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-67127778.amp Interesting that a group of people who are so offended and victimised over someone drawing a picture or burning a book would be totally fine with these kind of activities against another group. | |||
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"What i took from the statement is that isreal can do what it wants and the international community will back them,also if your on a march or rally and support palestine then your a criminal Perhaps you explain to the group why you support scum who behead babies? Bessmaybe can show the group were i said that i support hamas ? So, Hamas have executed soldiers who had surrendered, beheaded babies, r*ped and murdered pregnant women and taken and executed, according to independent reports, hostages including children and the elderly. And what "war crime" is it that you're whining about? Oh yes, Israel giving a weeks notice for people to evacuate an impending war zone. Tell everybody why you support this? Bess Also… since even the Israeli government are not confirming the beheading of babies stories do you want to stop repeating it… it’s all social media but no one is confirming.. not the us government, cnn even made an apology about it …. Let’s put that to one side for a moment as whether the acts of evil were one way or another… Did Hamas terrorists kill babies and children as they came across them? I am not for one second condoning any of the actions of Hamas.. I find it absolutely abhorrent! I am not condoning Israeli retaliation either… it may have started off as a targeted bombing response... 2000 bombing raids later I think now it’s way past that and it’s now collective punishment, especially with the inhumane blockade of fuel, water electricity and food " And that is a war crime | |||
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"In other news more terror attacks in Brussels tonight A video posted on social media of an Arabic-speaking man claimed he carried out the attack in the name of God Yeah people have been looking at the war seriously and have missed certain things happening in Europe. The stabbing of the French teacher and now the Brussels incident. Many Palestine supporters have been publicly making horrible things about jews in general and yet the police could do nothing about it. Meanwhile, someone poured red paint in a Jewish school https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-67127778.amp Interesting that a group of people who are so offended and victimised over someone drawing a picture or burning a book would be totally fine with these kind of activities against another group." It is going both ways… you must have missed the killing of the 7 year old Muslim boy by the landlord of the house he was living in , in the us over the weekend which is being considered as a hate crime | |||
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" I am not seeing the OP supporting Hamas? I see him concerned about Palestinian civilians. Thanks,i do not support hamas,im asking why are the international community letting isreal bomb innocent civilians " And why the international community has not moved these civilians who are at risk. In the last week 190 countries could have taken twelve thousand people each out of harms way | |||
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"In other news more terror attacks in Brussels tonight A video posted on social media of an Arabic-speaking man claimed he carried out the attack in the name of God Yeah people have been looking at the war seriously and have missed certain things happening in Europe. The stabbing of the French teacher and now the Brussels incident. Many Palestine supporters have been publicly making horrible things about jews in general and yet the police could do nothing about it. Meanwhile, someone poured red paint in a Jewish school https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-67127778.amp Interesting that a group of people who are so offended and victimised over someone drawing a picture or burning a book would be totally fine with these kind of activities against another group." Yup When you're looking for a brutal, ignorant group of sadistic murderers, Islam is your go-to.
Isis
Taliban
Al Qaida
Boko Haram
Hamas
Hezbollah
These are just the better known ones.
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"In other news more terror attacks in Brussels tonight A video posted on social media of an Arabic-speaking man claimed he carried out the attack in the name of God Yeah people have been looking at the war seriously and have missed certain things happening in Europe. The stabbing of the French teacher and now the Brussels incident. Many Palestine supporters have been publicly making horrible things about jews in general and yet the police could do nothing about it. Meanwhile, someone poured red paint in a Jewish school https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-67127778.amp Interesting that a group of people who are so offended and victimised over someone drawing a picture or burning a book would be totally fine with these kind of activities against another group. It is going both ways… you must have missed the killing of the 7 year old Muslim boy by the landlord of the house he was living in , in the us over the weekend which is being considered as a hate crime " I was talking about Europe? | |||
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"In other news more terror attacks in Brussels tonight A video posted on social media of an Arabic-speaking man claimed he carried out the attack in the name of God Yeah people have been looking at the war seriously and have missed certain things happening in Europe. The stabbing of the French teacher and now the Brussels incident. Many Palestine supporters have been publicly making horrible things about jews in general and yet the police could do nothing about it. Meanwhile, someone poured red paint in a Jewish school https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-67127778.amp Interesting that a group of people who are so offended and victimised over someone drawing a picture or burning a book would be totally fine with these kind of activities against another group. Yup When you're looking for a brutal, ignorant group of sadistic murderers, Islam is your go-to.
Isis
Taliban
Al Qaida
Boko Haram
Hamas
Hezbollah
These are just the better known ones.
Bess
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" Yup When you're looking for a brutal, ignorant group of sadistic murderers, Islam is your go-to.
Isis
Taliban
Al Qaida
Boko Haram
Hamas
Hezbollah
These are just the better known ones.
Bess
That's an extremely selective list.
Is this thread just heading towards bog standard islamophobia? "For balance is there a list available of Jewish terrorist organisations and their attacks on nationalities and other religions across the globe | |||
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"In other news more terror attacks in Brussels tonight A video posted on social media of an Arabic-speaking man claimed he carried out the attack in the name of God Yeah people have been looking at the war seriously and have missed certain things happening in Europe. The stabbing of the French teacher and now the Brussels incident. Many Palestine supporters have been publicly making horrible things about jews in general and yet the police could do nothing about it. Meanwhile, someone poured red paint in a Jewish school https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-67127778.amp Interesting that a group of people who are so offended and victimised over someone drawing a picture or burning a book would be totally fine with these kind of activities against another group. Yup When you're looking for a brutal, ignorant group of sadistic murderers, Islam is your go-to.
Isis
Taliban
Al Qaida
Boko Haram
Hamas
Hezbollah
These are just the better known ones.
Bess
That's an extremely selective list.
Is this thread just heading towards bog standard islamophobia? "Ah, the man who would let his children die rather than make a conscious decision to save them. How are you doing? Trying to make this into a race thing again? You keep trying and it just gets sadder. Take a look at any list of world-wide terrorist organisations. The vast majority are undeniably Islamic. I have listed those currently considered the most dangerous. Bess | |||
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" Yup When you're looking for a brutal, ignorant group of sadistic murderers, Islam is your go-to.
Isis
Taliban
Al Qaida
Boko Haram
Hamas
Hezbollah
These are just the better known ones.
Bess
That's an extremely selective list.
Is this thread just heading towards bog standard islamophobia?
For balance is there a list available of Jewish terrorist organisations and their attacks on nationalities and other religions across the globe "That question doesn't represent balance. You know there's only one. | |||
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"In other news more terror attacks in Brussels tonight A video posted on social media of an Arabic-speaking man claimed he carried out the attack in the name of God Yeah people have been looking at the war seriously and have missed certain things happening in Europe. The stabbing of the French teacher and now the Brussels incident. Many Palestine supporters have been publicly making horrible things about jews in general and yet the police could do nothing about it. Meanwhile, someone poured red paint in a Jewish school https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-67127778.amp Interesting that a group of people who are so offended and victimised over someone drawing a picture or burning a book would be totally fine with these kind of activities against another group. Yup When you're looking for a brutal, ignorant group of sadistic murderers, Islam is your go-to.
Isis
Taliban
Al Qaida
Boko Haram
Hamas
Hezbollah
These are just the better known ones.
Bess
That's an extremely selective list.
Is this thread just heading towards bog standard islamophobia?
Ah, the man who would let his children die rather than make a conscious decision to save them.
"Have absolutely no idea what this is referring to. It's really fucking bizarre and offensive. " How are you doing? " Okay thanks, you? " Trying to make this into a race thing again? " Nope. Not sure what the "again" thing is about. " You keep trying and it just gets sadder. Take a look at any list of world-wide terrorist organisations. The vast majority are undeniably Islamic. I have listed those currently considered the most dangerous. Bess" Fair play, most people aren't as open about this kind of thing as you. | |||
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"Very good speeches from both Sunak and Starmer in HoC earlier. Condemnation of Hamas, support for Israel, call for response to not be collective punishment or create a humanitarian crisis, support for ordinary Palestinians, recognition that Hamas do not speak for all Palestinians or all muslims, support for Jewish community in UK and condemnation of anti-semitic behaviour and also islamaphobia. The right balance I would say and Westminster aligned and with one voice.rishi has changed his tune then? Other day what he was saying sounded like he was ok with whatever isreal wanted to do, wouldnt even call the isreali goverment out on turning the power or water off, or telling half the population they had to leave the north" Advising to leave the north. | |||
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"What i took from the statement is that isreal can do what it wants and the international community will back them,also if your on a march or rally and support palestine then your a criminal Perhaps you explain to the group why you support scum who behead babies? Bessmaybe can show the group were i said that i support hamas ?" You come across as very anti Israel. Perhaps to people that infers Hamas support. | |||
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"collateral damage is inevitable in war, happens in every single war. If the Palestinians don't want Hamas to bring them war and suffer collateral damage, they should do something about it and remove Hamas. I don't want to see innocent people lose their lives, I can't say the same for Hamas. Or the IDF. Hamas knew this would be the reaction, they brought it upon their own people. They are a disgrace Yes what they done was henious,but the question was a out isreal commiting war crimes The fact that no nations on the globe have stepped up to save the refugees or take any speaks volumes 13 million Ukrainians welcomed with open arms, but nobody wants the next generation of Islamic suicide bombers in their country. " Seems like you have a problem with Muslims.. that’s why you can’t show any compassion towards the Palestinian suffering.. almost 3000 dead.. 1000 plus missing under the rubble.. many of that number are children.. What hamas did was terrible.. horrible.. yes they should be wiped out.. but at the cost of 2 million lives? Also do you actually think Israel care about those hostages? 120 people you are trying to rescue and your strategy is to bomb where they are holding them Egypt does not want to open that border because they know that Israel will never let them return to Gaza. Gaza is the most densely populated place on earth… those air strikes have no names on them.. it’s kill! Period! | |||
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"collateral damage is inevitable in war, happens in every single war. If the Palestinians don't want Hamas to bring them war and suffer collateral damage, they should do something about it and remove Hamas. I don't want to see innocent people lose their lives, I can't say the same for Hamas. Or the IDF. Hamas knew this would be the reaction, they brought it upon their own people. They are a disgrace Yes what they done was henious,but the question was a out isreal commiting war crimes The fact that no nations on the globe have stepped up to save the refugees or take any speaks volumes 13 million Ukrainians welcomed with open arms, but nobody wants the next generation of Islamic suicide bombers in their country. Seems like you have a problem with Muslims.. that’s why you can’t show any compassion towards the Palestinian suffering.. almost 3000 dead.. 1000 plus missing under the rubble.. many of that number are children.. What hamas did was terrible.. horrible.. yes they should be wiped out.. but at the cost of 2 million lives? Also do you actually think Israel care about those hostages? 120 people you are trying to rescue and your strategy is to bomb where they are holding them Egypt does not want to open that border because they know that Israel will never let them return to Gaza. Gaza is the most densely populated place on earth… those air strikes have no names on them.. it’s kill! Period! " Also.. sorry forgot to mention… starving 2 million people while they are at it.. cutting off electricity… water | |||
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"Just a few nuggets of information. A poster on one of the other threads said “How could so many Hamas be in North Gaza without the local Pallies knowing?” I agreed, it’s impossible, 2000+ armed fighters hiding in plain sight, in Gaza, probably the most security monitored place on the planet. Probably more than a few informers & spies in there too. So how the fuck was the largest & most bloody attack in Israels history a surprise? Now think deeper. Let’s take that it was a surprise. Babies decapitated, hundreds of her youth murdered. It’s been ten days & not one fucking person has been fired or held accountable for this security failing. Why not? There are parents out there who want to know why their kids died & why “We didn’t know it was coming?” Or you look at what is more likely given the history of Gaza/Palestine/Israel. The security services (The high ups & ultra right wing) & the leadership in Ben & his again right wing parliament did know & did nothing as it was a means to an end. Short term loses for long term gains & likely worldwide support outside of the Middle East. Sounds like a good (business) plan to me & I’d bet my house on Israel never giving North Gaza back & I wouldn’t bet against Israel taking it all. Which is fine IF you REALLY believe the narrative, but what if you/we/me don’t? Then that affects our whole perspective on the events to come. Me personally? From day two or three the writing was on the wall as I think it was impossible that the leadership of Israel did not know it was coming, once you start with that the rest of the events pan out as they are. S " Egypt apparently told the Israelis that an impending attack was highly likely. | |||
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"Israel have the right to defend themselves against hamas war crimes." I agree. But do the Palestinians have a right to defend themselves from isreal. | |||
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"Palestine elected Hamas, and were cheering on the streets last weekend after Israelis were burnt and beheaded. Between 1979 and May 2021, 48,035 Islamist terrorist attacks around the world, which have resulted in the deaths of at least 210,138 people, of all nationality and colour. Of course this is dwarfed by the number of civilians killed by just the US and UK in Iraq and Afghanistan. Which I'm sure you were about to mention. Those certainly were war crimes, however, I am unclear if Israel can be accused of committing war crimes since they are currently not in a state of war but responding to terrorist activities - not that I am defending their actions, far from it, it's just that people do have a tendancy to incorrectly brandish the term 'war crimes' a little too easily. No doubt they are committing Human rights offencesaccording to the primeminister benny they are at war" My bad. I wasn't aware as I really haven't been following the news lately. There have been tensions between Israel and Hamas for donkeys years | |||
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"There is only 1 retirement plan for Hamas and Israel is going to show what that method is." do u really think of they wipe out hamas there wont be no more attacks? You dont think all those kids who have lost siblings and parents over the last week of airstrikes aint going to want revenge at some point in the future,these two sides have been fighting each other for as long as i can remember, the only time they ever got near an agreement the isreali primeminister was assasinated by...... An isreali, both sides want to wipe each other out there is no good side in any of this | |||
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"Israel have the right to defend themselves against hamas war crimes." They do indeed. Does Palestine have the right to defend themselves against Israeli war crimes? | |||
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"Israel have the right to defend themselves against hamas war crimes. They do indeed. Does Palestine have the right to defend themselves against Israeli war crimes?" Yes without resorting to terrorism. Settle it on the battlefield don't you agree? Winner takes all. | |||
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"Israel have the right to defend themselves against hamas war crimes." Of course they do, that is accepted and simply not in question.. What they don't have the right to do is to deny the very basic requirements to life from hundreds of thousands of innocent people.. Maybe they're waiting for Biden so they can look good by turning the water back on etc but the longer the current situation stays as it is the worse it is for those Palestinians who have travelled away from Gaza city as instructed.. The other sovereign states will not sit on their hands if this situation endures and it won't be a war crime it will be a crime against humanity which no matter the trigger no nation should be allowed to get away with.. | |||
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"Israel have the right to defend themselves against hamas war crimes. They do indeed. Does Palestine have the right to defend themselves against Israeli war crimes? Yes without resorting to terrorism. Settle it on the battlefield don't you agree? Winner takes all." By that logic, any country can attack another and keep it in a victory. Would you be happy for Russia to keep Ukraine if it won..? | |||
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"Israel have the right to defend themselves against hamas war crimes. They do indeed. Does Palestine have the right to defend themselves against Israeli war crimes? Yes without resorting to terrorism. Settle it on the battlefield don't you agree? Winner takes all." I'd prefer neither side to be committing war crimes. I don't know what "winner takes all" means in this context. | |||
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"Israel have the right to defend themselves against hamas war crimes. They do indeed. Does Palestine have the right to defend themselves against Israeli war crimes? Yes without resorting to terrorism. Settle it on the battlefield don't you agree? Winner takes all. I'd prefer neither side to be committing war crimes. I don't know what "winner takes all" means in this context." Then Hamas needs to come out of hiding and directly confront the Israeli military. Quit using the population as a shield. Otherwise " war crimes" can happen. | |||
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"Israel have the right to defend themselves against hamas war crimes. They do indeed. Does Palestine have the right to defend themselves against Israeli war crimes? Yes without resorting to terrorism. Settle it on the battlefield don't you agree? Winner takes all. I'd prefer neither side to be committing war crimes. I don't know what "winner takes all" means in this context. Then Hamas needs to come out of hiding and directly confront the Israeli military. Quit using the population as a shield. Otherwise " war crimes" can happen." Personally I think that not being able to find the individuals in question, is a poor excuse to commit war crimes. | |||
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"Israel have the right to defend themselves against hamas war crimes. They do indeed. Does Palestine have the right to defend themselves against Israeli war crimes? Yes without resorting to terrorism. Settle it on the battlefield don't you agree? Winner takes all. I'd prefer neither side to be committing war crimes. I don't know what "winner takes all" means in this context. Then Hamas needs to come out of hiding and directly confront the Israeli military. Quit using the population as a shield. Otherwise " war crimes" can happen. Personally I think that not being able to find the individuals in question, is a poor excuse to commit war crimes." They would still have to enter Gaza to find those individuals and destroy their military capability. | |||
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"Israel have the right to defend themselves against hamas war crimes. They do indeed. Does Palestine have the right to defend themselves against Israeli war crimes? Yes without resorting to terrorism. Settle it on the battlefield don't you agree? Winner takes all. I'd prefer neither side to be committing war crimes. I don't know what "winner takes all" means in this context. Then Hamas needs to come out of hiding and directly confront the Israeli military. Quit using the population as a shield. Otherwise " war crimes" can happen. Personally I think that not being able to find the individuals in question, is a poor excuse to commit war crimes." They would still have to enter Gaza to find those individuals and destroy their military capability." Sounds good. They should do that without the war crimes. In my opinion. | |||
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