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By *mmmMaybe OP Couple over a year ago

West Wales

“No one seems to be condoning the events outright but few condemned it outright either. What Hamas have done is barbaric in the extreme so why can't some bring themselves to just condemn it without trying to diminish the condemnation by bringing up other past events. It reminds me very much of hearing corbyn in the past.”

The issue is what is your definition of barbaric?

Gaza is akin to a medieval castle only it’s walls are on wheels. For years the occupants of Gaza so much as slapped an Israeli or burnt a flag the retribution would be more severe. Fire one of your twenty year old mostly dud hand held rockets & you have an F15 or two dropping bombs on your population.

& all while this is going on you slowly but surely push the walls in so the lives of those inside become more & More intolerable.

Oh & Netanyahu saying he’s cutting the water off? Meh, He’s done that several times this year already & the MSM don’t bother saying anything.

You can’t put a population under siege & claim they are the only barbaric ones just because theirs is instant barbarity & yours is over time & behind closed walls.

At the end of it all the body bags look the same no matter who is in them.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"“No one seems to be condoning the events outright but few condemned it outright either. What Hamas have done is barbaric in the extreme so why can't some bring themselves to just condemn it without trying to diminish the condemnation by bringing up other past events. It reminds me very much of hearing corbyn in the past.”

The issue is what is your definition of barbaric?

& all while this is going on you slowly but surely push the walls in so the lives of those inside become more & More intolerable.

Oh & Netanyahu saying he’s cutting the water off? Meh, He’s done that several times this year already & the MSM don’t bother saying anything.

You can’t put a population under siege & claim they are the only barbaric ones just because theirs is instant barbarity & yours is over time & behind closed walls.

At the end of it all the body bags look the same no matter who is in them.

You can't say that, it not PC. Am sure other fabbers will be along to tell you its only what happened this weekend that matters.

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By *otMe66Man over a year ago

Terra Firma

I replied to you on the other thread, ref, you made up a story that Israel knew the attack was going to happen.

Your words below:

I’d add that anyone who thinks that shortly after not knowing it was coming Israeli forces can hit “militant areas of Gaza in targeted attacks” is imo a putting it in not too subtle a term “A fcking idiot”.

I will condemn hamas and what they did, I will also question your motivation for a second thread.

If you support terrorism, have the conviction to say it and stop manipulating the facts to create a narrative that is based on your opinion…….

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By *idnight RamblerMan over a year ago

Pershore

That's because this isn't a good guys vs bad guys war. It's hugely complicated with deep roots. Slaughter innocents at a music _estival = inhumane. Imprison 2.4 mil. people behind steel fences = inhumane.

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By *mmmMaybe OP Couple over a year ago

West Wales

"I replied to you on the other thread, ref, you made up a story that Israel knew the attack was going to happen.

Your words below:

I will condemn hamas and what they did, I will also question your motivation for a second thread.

If you support terrorism, have the conviction to say it and stop manipulating the facts to create a narrative that is based on your opinion……."

You say I quote a narrative, but is anything I said in this thread about what BN has been doing to Gaza untrue? Has the water been cut of before? Is any uprising no matter how trivial given the situation slapped down with a show of much more force. Is Gaza being squeezed (Bearing in mind it is now reported as the most crowded place on the planet).

Are these lies or just truths you don’t want to hear.

I’d also say that within other security forces including GCHQ etc. Someone will be saying

“How the fck did they not know it was coming”.

I also stand by what I said in that thread, you cannot have it both ways, either they knew & let it happen for the retribution to follow that we see now & also knew where they all are & are precision pinpointing militant locations or they didn’t know & they are not.

Not after the first hundred or so missiles anyway.

The numbers also don’t tie up. If all militants are Palestinians & as Israel claim they’ve killed four hundred within Israel in the initial attacks that means 950+ Palestinians in total. Atm on parity with Israeli deaths.

Suffering is on both sides, barbarity no matter how you dress it is on both sides & will continue to be on both sides.The barbarity is no different whether you put a gun to a woman’s head at a music _estival or drop a bomb killing families.

Except the guy shooting the woman has no fighter planes, no tanks to distance himself from those he kills & few armaments bigger than hand held rocket launchers.

I’m just as interested in thinking about the most likely, reading between lines, deseminating information & thinking “Hang on, That’s not what you said yesterday” etc.

As someone else said in the other post Netanyahu has been under pressure at home for a while for his ultra right stance. If you are already a warmonger & the opportunity for a war drops in your lap only a fool would say “Nah, Not possible”.

Is that the similar “Not possible” as the Roman Catholic Church turning a blind eye to the atrocities.

Because that “wasn’t possible” either until it was found to be true in documentation.

So be honest with us, after two days of aerial bombardments into Gaza, over one thousand missile strikes are you still confident the armed forces are only attacking militant strongholds.

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By *mmmMaybe OP Couple over a year ago

West Wales

"That's because this isn't a good guys vs bad guys war. It's hugely complicated with deep roots. Slaughter innocents at a music _estival = inhumane. Imprison 2.4 mil. people behind steel fences = inhumane."

The real truth is that even if Israel didn’t exists the Arabs would likely be fighting amongst themselves anyway & if so the only reason anyone would give a shit elsewhere in the world is oil.

My stance & opinion is fed by my beliefs (or lack of them). I’m an atheist so to me no people have a “Divine Right” to anything, not Arabs, not Israeli’s, not Christians, no one, no matter who you are or where you live.

No one is better or worse than the man or woman standing the other side of a fence, a wire, a border.

To me they are both fighting over a piece of desert that one is living on & the other one wants it for their continued expansion.

That is all. Sadly the obliteration of Gaza will not end it. Probably far from it.

As Netanyahu said today “It’s only just begun”.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Does this not boil down to Newtons 3rd law?

To every action is a reaction (modified slightly)

If you have penned 2.5 million people into 100 square miles, cut off the water, cut off the electric, seized and bulldozed homes, invited people from all over the world to come and settle and fund this settlement, stopped the entry of medication and food and continue to push a people, can you really stand there and be shocked when you are attacked back?

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By *r_PinkMan over a year ago

london stratford

As a man with 90% of his family in Israel, who up until Saturday was anti war, pro peace. I now want to see HAMAS and anyone supporting Hamas DEAD!

watching my family and friends in Israel from here is killing me.

and watching news reels where the Palestinians are cheering Hamas while they parade innocent children, women and pensioners they have captured as hostages. makes me HATE them, I want them all strung up and killed!

THEY do not want peace, they want to annilate all Israelis and all Jews!

I am Jewish and all my left wing beliefs of wanting peace has gone. FUCK them all. and I hope they all rot in hell

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By *ohnnyTwoNotesMan over a year ago

golden fields

"As a man with 90% of his family in Israel, who up until Saturday was anti war, pro peace. I now want to see HAMAS and anyone supporting Hamas DEAD!

watching my family and friends in Israel from here is killing me.

THEY do not want peace, they want to annilate all Israelis and all Jews!

I am Jewish and all my left wing beliefs of wanting peace has gone. FUCK them all. and I hope they all rot in hell"

There is likely a Palestinian person with the exact inverse point of view of you.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"As a man with 90% of his family in Israel, who up until Saturday was anti war, pro peace. I now want to see HAMAS and anyone supporting Hamas DEAD!

watching my family and friends in Israel from here is killing me.

THEY do not want peace, they want to annilate all Israelis and all Jews!

I am Jewish and all my left wing beliefs of wanting peace has gone. FUCK them all. and I hope they all rot in hell"

Now imagine undergoing this for 50+ years

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By *wisted999Man over a year ago

North Bucks

George Monbiot in a rare tweet of sense just said:

Horrific crimes against civilians are not redeemed by horrific crimes against civilians.

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By *r_PinkMan over a year ago

london stratford

"As a man with 90% of his family in Israel, who up until Saturday was anti war, pro peace. I now want to see HAMAS and anyone supporting Hamas DEAD!

watching my family and friends in Israel from here is killing me.

THEY do not want peace, they want to annilate all Israelis and all Jews!

I am Jewish and all my left wing beliefs of wanting peace has gone. FUCK them all. and I hope they all rot in hell

Now imagine undergoing this for 50+ years"

FUCK right off mate!!! when has Israeli shot dead and taken innocent Palestinians as hostages? and paraded teh innocent hostages in the street with Israelis cheering????? and walked in to there houses and shot dead innocent children????? the answer is fucking NEVER!

how DARE you try that old shit!!!!! how dare anyone condone the actions of HAMAS!!!! Up until Saturday, I was anti Israeli government but after what has happened, I want all Hamas and anyone who supports them out of my families home land! Israel has given a lot to Palestine, that is never mentioned.

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple over a year ago

in Lancashire

"George Monbiot in a rare tweet of sense just said:

Horrific crimes against civilians are not redeemed by horrific crimes against civilians.

How sadly true..

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By *r_PinkMan over a year ago

london stratford

"George Monbiot in a rare tweet of sense just said:

Horrific crimes against civilians are not redeemed by horrific crimes against civilians.

How sadly true.."

Yes but Israel has NEVER committed horrific crimes against civilians. they have been harsh with aid to the region (mainly when they have been attacked by these terrorists! but they have NEVER EVER done such nasty evil atrocities like we are watching Hamas do! Never have they reveled in pleasure at attacking the old, children and civilians!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"George Monbiot in a rare tweet of sense just said:

Horrific crimes against civilians are not redeemed by horrific crimes against civilians.

How sadly true..

Straight from a wikipedia page

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian_prisoners_in_Israel

1000 administrative prisoners, being held without charge

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By *r_PinkMan over a year ago

london stratford

Now imagine undergoing this for 50+ years"

ohh and Imagine always being under terrorists threats for 50 years!

Imagine trying to live in peace with the constant threat of terrorist activities like blowing up school buses, and bombing transports like trains! Imagine an Olympic games where terrorists Kill the athletes to prove a point!! Imagine taking a plane with innocent civilians and killing them!!!!!!!

ummmmmmmmmmmmmmmm Thats what the PLO did, what HAMAS do!!!!! so stop with the anti Israel, poor Palestinians shit

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Now imagine undergoing this for 50+ years

ohh and Imagine always being under terrorists threats for 50 years!

ummmmmmmmmmmmmmmm Thats what the PLO did, what HAMAS do!!!!! so stop with the anti Israel, poor Palestinians shit"

Imagine watching someone live in your house for 50 years without recompansating you and justifying it by saying it was going to be taken anyway, so why not me…

Remember https://youtube.com/shorts/piIgkqPmI-w?si=JE5PjkCT_xZBsTsB

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By *r_PinkMan over a year ago

london stratford

Imagine watching someone live in your house for 50 years without recompansating you and justifying it by saying it was going to be taken anyway, so why not me…

Remember https://youtube.com/shorts/piIgkqPmI-w?si=JE5PjkCT_xZBsTsB

Imagine getting almost annihilated during world war two. having no place to call home because no one wanted you.

and when exactly did they get turfed out? ohh yea. it was when Israel was attacked by the arabs from all regions (6day war). they ran away and never returned. I do not condone that. but not one arab country helped them then!

UP UNTIL the weekend I was all for peace. BUT fuck anyone who condones what Hamas has done.

and and if you feel so strongly, PLEASE go to Palestine and show them your support! see how quickly you will be taken as a hostage because you are not Hamas or a Palestinian! see how quick they will be prepared to shoot you!

be my guest!!!!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Imagine watching someone live in your house for 50 years without recompansating you and justifying it by saying it was going to be taken anyway, so why not me…

Remember https://youtube.com/shorts/piIgkqPmI-w?si=JE5PjkCT_xZBsTsB

Imagine getting almost annihilated during world war two. having no place to call home because no one wanted you.

UP UNTIL the weekend I was all for peace. BUT fuck anyone who condones what Hamas has done.

be my guest!!!! "

I wish you and your family well, however I feel this conversation is pointless. You have told me to f off above, linked 9/11 to palestinians, lumped all arabs ( an ethnicity) as one instead of nationalities (multiple) whilst all I have tried to do is explain that violence does not occur at random. That actions have consequences, that you see the pain of Israelis but not the pain of Palestinians.

I can’t debate with someone who can’t see that Israels policies over 50-60 years have been to dismantle and destroy any claim of a people who have lived there for 1400 years, whilst building upon occupied land to strengthen their claim.

You mention the world war above. Well when few people would not allow the jews to settle in their lands the Palestinians accepted you

https://www.paradata.org.uk/media/2517

See the writing on the boat above.

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By *r_PinkMan over a year ago

london stratford

Imagine watching someone live in your house for 50 years without recompansating you and justifying it by saying it was going to be taken anyway, so why not me…

Remember https://youtube.com/shorts/piIgkqPmI-w?si=JE5PjkCT_xZBsTsB

Imagine getting almost annihilated during world war two. having no place to call home because no one wanted you.

UP UNTIL the weekend I was all for peace. BUT fuck anyone who condones what Hamas has done.

be my guest!!!!

You mention the world war above. Well when few people would not allow the jews to settle in their lands the Palestinians accepted you

https://www.paradata.org.uk/media/2517

See the writing on the boat above."

you wanna play that little card!!!! The Jews of Israel where there at about 3500BC! they where kicked out of there original hom,es then. we have the oldest wall in Israel *the whaling wall, that was our 1st temple! the Crusades Kicked US out of our own homeland then. go check that out matey!

ohhh but that doesnt count does it!!!!!!!!!

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By *ohnnyTwoNotesMan over a year ago

golden fields

Yes but Israel has NEVER committed horrific crimes against civilians. "

Simply not true at all.

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By *itonthesideWoman over a year ago

Glasgow

"Does this not boil down to Newtons 3rd law?

To every action is a reaction (modified slightly)

I agree with this but it also works in reverse when you think about the acts of hamas at the weekend and how can they be shocked at the retaliation? It becomes a sinister version of chicken and egg and how does it ever end while civilians on both sides suffer

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Imagine watching someone live in your house for 50 years without recompansating you and justifying it by saying it was going to be taken anyway, so why not me…

Remember https://youtube.com/shorts/piIgkqPmI-w?si=JE5PjkCT_xZBsTsB

Imagine getting almost annihilated during world war two. having no place to call home because no one wanted you.

UP UNTIL the weekend I was all for peace. BUT fuck anyone who condones what Hamas has done.

be my guest!!!!

You mention the world war above. Well when few people would not allow the jews to settle in their lands the Palestinians accepted you

https://www.paradata.org.uk/media/2517

See the writing on the boat above.

ohhh but that doesnt count does it!!!!!!!!!"

Actually it was the Romans who removed Jewish people from the lands, and sold them

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Imagine watching someone live in your house for 50 years without recompansating you and justifying it by saying it was going to be taken anyway, so why not me…

Remember https://youtube.com/shorts/piIgkqPmI-w?si=JE5PjkCT_xZBsTsB

Imagine getting almost annihilated during world war two. having no place to call home because no one wanted you.

UP UNTIL the weekend I was all for peace. BUT fuck anyone who condones what Hamas has done.

be my guest!!!!

You mention the world war above. Well when few people would not allow the jews to settle in their lands the Palestinians accepted you

https://www.paradata.org.uk/media/2517

See the writing on the boat above.

ohhh but that doesnt count does it!!!!!!!!!

Actually it was the Romans who removed Jewish people from the lands, and sold them"

The good old Romans, they knew how to make a buck or too. Built good walls too...

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Imagine watching someone live in your house for 50 years without recompansating you and justifying it by saying it was going to be taken anyway, so why not me…

Remember https://youtube.com/shorts/piIgkqPmI-w?si=JE5PjkCT_xZBsTsB

Imagine getting almost annihilated during world war two. having no place to call home because no one wanted you.

UP UNTIL the weekend I was all for peace. BUT fuck anyone who condones what Hamas has done.

be my guest!!!!

You mention the world war above. Well when few people would not allow the jews to settle in their lands the Palestinians accepted you

https://www.paradata.org.uk/media/2517

See the writing on the boat above."

Your last paragraph is a crock of shit. The Palestinians had nothing to do with this ship, it was blockaded by the British before it reached Palestinian waters and taken to Haifa, an Israeli port. Palestine hadn't even given permission for the ship to dock. We learn this in primary school.

Bess

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By *r_PinkMan over a year ago

london stratford

You mention the world war above. Well when few people would not allow the jews to settle in their lands the Palestinians accepted you

https://www.paradata.org.uk/media/2517

See the writing on the boat above."

A i think you will find the Mufty of Palestine during world war 2 told the nazis DO NOT send them here, we dont want them, and even suggested killing them! check that out on wiki or you tube or even the history channel!

B I never linked anything to 9/11? never said that!

C it was the British that made a mandate to let jews in to Israel!!!!! Never any of the ARAB states!

and for the first 2 or 3 years of Israel getting its independence they never made any restrictions. restrictions only started when the likes of the libians, the syrians and the PLO started terrorizing Israelis! and thus the circle of pain begins!!!!!

up until Saturday, I was a left wing, peace wanting, two state wanting person!

BUT what Hamas has done has destroyed that.

My family (and may I just say there are 3rd Generation Israelis in my family, as my father and grandparents went there as refugees from Rumanian where they where physically forced out by the antisimetic post war government.

there are so many muslim country's in teh world, so many christian countries. so let Jews have one country (which is smaller then Wales may I add). is that too much to ask for, considering it was a Jewish country before the muslim religion even existed!

yyou telling me, my aunt who is born in Israel, my cousin and my aunts Grandchildren do not deserve a place to live?

next you will be sayingh Hitler was a decent chap! Hamas are right to do what they have done and its all this evil children who went to a _estivals fault!!!!

sorry mate but I do know my history when it concerns Israel and it was the LAND of the jews long before it was arab land

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By *r_PinkMan over a year ago

london stratford

ohh and by the way, my female cousin , her husband and three children have had to literally run out of their homes because rocket bombs have hit near by villages.

They are in fear for their lives.

I hope that makes you soooooooooooooooooo fucking happy

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Imagine watching someone live in your house for 50 years without recompansating you and justifying it by saying it was going to be taken anyway, so why not me…

Remember https://youtube.com/shorts/piIgkqPmI-w?si=JE5PjkCT_xZBsTsB

Imagine getting almost annihilated during world war two. having no place to call home because no one wanted you.

UP UNTIL the weekend I was all for peace. BUT fuck anyone who condones what Hamas has done.

be my guest!!!!

You mention the world war above. Well when few people would not allow the jews to settle in their lands the Palestinians accepted you

https://www.paradata.org.uk/media/2517

See the writing on the boat above.

Bess"

You are correct Bess, nonetheless Jewisj people were welcomed to the area by Palestinians, A brief excerpt from wiki is

The Balfour declaration was published on the 2nd of November 1917 and the Bolsheviks seized control of Russia a week later. This led to civil war in the Russian Empire. Between 1918 and 1921, a series of pogroms led to the death of at least 100,000 Jews (mainly in what is now Ukraine), and the displacement as refugees of a further 600,000. This led to further migration to Palestine.[206][207] Between 1919 and 1923, some 40,000 Jews arrived in Palestine in what is known as the Third Aliyah..

Therefore Palestinians were already present and took in refugees

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By *r_PinkMan over a year ago

london stratford

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K07j-wuL8sw

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=St7Pzp4mmOQ

are these a crock of shit??????

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By *r_PinkMan over a year ago

london stratford

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=St7Pzp4mmOQ

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By *r_PinkMan over a year ago

london stratford

and as for Wiki

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amin_al-Husseini

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

You mention the world war above. Well when few people would not allow the jews to settle in their lands the Palestinians accepted you

https://www.paradata.org.uk/media/2517

See the writing on the boat above.

B I never linked anything to 9/11? never said that!

C it was the British that made a mandate to let jews in to Israel!!!!! Never any of the ARAB states!

up until Saturday, I was a left wing, peace wanting, two state wanting person!

BUT what Hamas has done has destroyed that.

yyou telling me, my aunt who is born in Israel, my cousin and my aunts Grandchildren do not deserve a place to live?

next you will be sayingh Hitler was a decent chap! Hamas are right to do what they have done and its all this evil children who went to a _estivals fault!!!!

sorry mate but I do know my history when it concerns Israel and it was the LAND of the jews long before it was arab land"

The issue isn’t about a Jewish state. The issue is of having a jewish state at the expense of people who were already there.

With regards to your family members I hope they are safe and find safety soon.

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By *r_PinkMan over a year ago

london stratford

With regards to your family members I hope they are safe and find safety soon."

thank you.

But until Hamas is destroyed and the Palestian actually want peace , which they clearly do not. My family and loved ones in Israel will never be safe!

you talk from the point of view from a one sided way!

I on the other hand talk very personally! right now Hamas actively want all Israelis initiated/ whipped of the face of the earth!

that is MY family.

Just fucking condemn what they have done! simple as that!

no excuses! pure evil and an act of war!

whatever arguments you have are wasted/ they have done wrong more then anything Israeli jews have done! its a fact!

we can argue history till we are blue in the face but even you cant say they are right for what they have done.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Imagine watching someone live in your house for 50 years without recompansating you and justifying it by saying it was going to be taken anyway, so why not me…

Remember https://youtube.com/shorts/piIgkqPmI-w?si=JE5PjkCT_xZBsTsB

Imagine getting almost annihilated during world war two. having no place to call home because no one wanted you.

UP UNTIL the weekend I was all for peace. BUT fuck anyone who condones what Hamas has done.

be my guest!!!!

You mention the world war above. Well when few people would not allow the jews to settle in their lands the Palestinians accepted you

https://www.paradata.org.uk/media/2517

See the writing on the boat above.

Bess

You are correct Bess, nonetheless Jewisj people were welcomed to the area by Palestinians, A brief excerpt from wiki is

Therefore Palestinians were already present and took in refugees"

Palestine was under British mandate before, during and after the Third Aliyah. It was the British who allowed Jewish refugees into Palestine, not the Palestinian muslims. Their constant demands for independence and resistance to immigration led to a rebellion in 1937, followed by continuing terrorism and violence.

Bess

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By *mmmMaybe OP Couple over a year ago

West Wales

You mention the world war above. Well when few people would not allow the jews to settle in their lands the Palestinians accepted you

https://www.paradata.org.uk/media/2517

See the writing on the boat above.

B I never linked anything to 9/11? never said that!

C it was the British that made a mandate to let jews in to Israel!!!!! Never any of the ARAB states!

up until Saturday, I was a left wing, peace wanting, two state wanting person!

BUT what Hamas has done has destroyed that.

yyou telling me, my aunt who is born in Israel, my cousin and my aunts Grandchildren do not deserve a place to live?

next you will be sayingh Hitler was a decent chap! Hamas are right to do what they have done and its all this evil children who went to a _estivals fault!!!!

sorry mate but I do know my history when it concerns Israel and it was the LAND of the jews long before it was arab land

The issue isn’t about a Jewish state. The issue is of having a jewish state at the expense of people who were already there.

With regards to your family members I hope they are safe and find safety soon."

Actually prior to 47 Palestine was a mixed batch of Jews & Muslims. When Israel was proposed by the UN the Palestinian Jews voted for it, the Muslim ones against.

But they were all Palestinians. It got through so ergo on paper at least Palestine welcomed the Jewish people.

& Mr Pink prior to the creation of Israel as a state every Jew living there was surely a Palestinian one were they not?

They were surely already living in Palestine & then a signature or two & Shazam without even having to move house they are suddenly living in Israel.

Or is this a wrong assumption?

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By *mmmMaybe OP Couple over a year ago

West Wales

With regards to your family members I hope they are safe and find safety soon.

thank you.

But until Hamas is destroyed and the Palestian actually want peace , which they clearly do not. My family and loved ones in Israel will never be safe!

you talk from the point of view from a one sided way!

I on the other hand talk very personally! right now Hamas actively want all Israelis initiated/ whipped of the face of the earth!

that is MY family.

Just fucking condemn what they have done! simple as that!

no excuses! pure evil and an act of war!

whatever arguments you have are wasted/ they have done wrong more then anything Israeli jews have done! its a fact!

we can argue history till we are blue in the face but even you cant say they are right for what they have done."

If by the wave of a wand Israel became the size it was in 1947 & although Hamas were not overly happy they didn’t have the peoples support nor the support of Jordan, Egypt & Syria (from memory) because it’s the world of today & not 1947 & they have the land back they lost in 67.

Would you want the wand waved or not? It would likely mean all those not born in Israel now living there would have to depart, but would you wave the wand?

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By *otMe66Man over a year ago

Terra Firma

"I replied to you on the other thread, ref, you made up a story that Israel knew the attack was going to happen.

Your words below:

I will condemn hamas and what they did, I will also question your motivation for a second thread.

If you support terrorism, have the conviction to say it and stop manipulating the facts to create a narrative that is based on your opinion…….

Are these lies or just truths you don’t want to hear.

I’d also say that within other security forces including GCHQ etc. Someone will be saying

“How the fck did they not know it was coming”.

Not after the first hundred or so missiles anyway.

Except the guy shooting the woman has no fighter planes, no tanks to distance himself from those he kills & few armaments bigger than hand held rocket launchers.

I’m just as interested in thinking about the most likely, reading between lines, deseminating information & thinking “Hang on, That’s not what you said yesterday” etc.

Is that the similar “Not possible” as the Roman Catholic Church turning a blind eye to the atrocities.

Because that “wasn’t possible” either until it was found to be true in documentation.

So be honest with us, after two days of aerial bombardments into Gaza, over one thousand missile strikes are you still confident the armed forces are only attacking militant strongholds.

I've finished any further conversation with you.

To be clear the reason is you are making up scenarios to fit events.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

If anyone is seriously contemplating showing Palestine and/or Hamas and sympathy or solidarity over these attacks, think also on this. Palestine has one of the world's highest counts of human rights violations, as per Amnesty International. This is not hyperbole, these are facts that can be found on Amnesty International's website. These include:- Abuses by armed groups, Freedom of expression, association and assembly violations, Arbitrary detention, Torture and other ill-treatment, Women’s and girls’ rights abuses, and some truly horrific abuses of LGBTI people by ordinary Palestinian citizens.

Israel has every logical and ethical right to keep these people at bay.

Bess

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By *r_PinkMan over a year ago

london stratford

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=St7Pzp4mmOQ

please please please watch this!

its very interesting

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By *r_PinkMan over a year ago

london stratford

"If anyone is seriously contemplating showing Palestine and/or Hamas and sympathy or solidarity over these attacks, think also on this. Palestine has one of the world's highest counts of human rights violations, as per Amnesty International. This is not hyperbole, these are facts that can be found on Amnesty International's website. These include:- Abuses by armed groups, Freedom of expression, association and assembly violations, Arbitrary detention, Torture and other ill-treatment, Women’s and girls’ rights abuses, and some truly horrific abuses of LGBTI people by ordinary Palestinian citizens.

Israel has every logical and ethical right to keep these people at bay.

Bess

Thank you Bess

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By *mmmMaybe OP Couple over a year ago

West Wales

"I replied to you on the other thread, ref, you made up a story that Israel knew the attack was going to happen.

Your words below:

I will condemn hamas and what they did, I will also question your motivation for a second thread.

If you support terrorism, have the conviction to say it and stop manipulating the facts to create a narrative that is based on your opinion…….

Are these lies or just truths you don’t want to hear.

I’d also say that within other security forces including GCHQ etc. Someone will be saying

“How the fck did they not know it was coming”.

Not after the first hundred or so missiles anyway.

Except the guy shooting the woman has no fighter planes, no tanks to distance himself from those he kills & few armaments bigger than hand held rocket launchers.

I’m just as interested in thinking about the most likely, reading between lines, deseminating information & thinking “Hang on, That’s not what you said yesterday” etc.

Is that the similar “Not possible” as the Roman Catholic Church turning a blind eye to the atrocities.

Because that “wasn’t possible” either until it was found to be true in documentation.

So be honest with us, after two days of aerial bombardments into Gaza, over one thousand missile strikes are you still confident the armed forces are only attacking militant strongholds.

I've finished any further conversation with you.

To be clear the reason is you are making up scenarios to fit events.

Ok, My opinion is that it’s highly unlikely that this was a surprise attack.20-100 yeah maybe but 1000 armed men. But let’s just say it was a surprise.

So ignore everything else because the most important paragraph was the last one & you didn’t answer it. Israel have said they’ve fired (Probably well over by now) 1000 missiles into Gaza.

Do you still believe they are targeting militant areas?

It’s quite a simple Yes it No & I won’t go on to elaborate on your answer because I won’t need to.

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By *r_PinkMan over a year ago

london stratford

and for the record! I am now gonna stop adding to this thread as I am just getting more and more wound up!

I LOVE MY FAMILY, MY FAMILIES FAMILY AND MY FRIENDS IN Israel!

what Hamas have done is disgusting.

While the majority of Israelis did want peace. now peace is off the table. and just read Hamas's mandate. They do not want peace and never have wanted peace. they want and have always wanted death and annihilation of the Jews of Israel!

and I hate to say this. But now I don't seek peace! I seek revenge.

trust me. I never ever thought I would say that or ever mean it!

and if I don't stopnow! I will carry hate in me which I do not want.

no more comments from me. infact I will stop reading this so do not bother to answer me

good night

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By *otMe66Man over a year ago

Terra Firma

"ohh and by the way, my female cousin , her husband and three children have had to literally run out of their homes because rocket bombs have hit near by villages.

They are in fear for their lives.

I hope that makes you soooooooooooooooooo fucking happy"

I hope your family are safe and sound.

I can only advise not to rise to posters that are going out of their way to cause further hurt through their ill-informed opinions , they have not an ounce of good will.

New to the forum too.....

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By *tophateMan over a year ago

ireland

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By *oan of DArcCouple over a year ago

Glasgow

"As a man with 90% of his family in Israel, who up until Saturday was anti war, pro peace. I now want to see HAMAS and anyone supporting Hamas DEAD!

watching my family and friends in Israel from here is killing me.

THEY do not want peace, they want to annilate all Israelis and all Jews!

I am Jewish and all my left wing beliefs of wanting peace has gone. FUCK them all. and I hope they all rot in hell"

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Is the Israeli weaponry smart enough to distinguish between Hamas/Hamas supporters and Palestinian children?

If not their response is creating innocent victims and Palestinian people who will think a lot like you unfortunately.

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By *irldnCouple over a year ago

Brighton

I think this sums up my feelings on the situation pretty well. Not mine but it will do...

“There is a dangerous tendency to treat this as a simple matter of picking sides but those who point out it is more complicated than that tend to be the target of shrill attacks from the fanatics on both extremes. Being disgusted by Hamas' massacre of innocent Israeli civilians does not mean condoning Israel shelling of innocent Palestinian civilians. Being critical of Israeli policy is not the same as being anti-semitic, though some do all that they can to conflate the two. Being disgusted by Hamas does not preclude being sympathetic to the plight of Palestinians. The victims of both sides are the victims of those higher up the political food chain.”

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By *astandFeistyCouple over a year ago

Bournemouth

"I think this sums up my feelings on the situation pretty well. Not mine but it will do...

You know I just read that quote 2 mins ago and gotta say it kinda sums it up for me too.

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple over a year ago

in Lancashire

"I think this sums up my feelings on the situation pretty well. Not mine but it will do...

It's pretty spot on..

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By *mmmMaybe OP Couple over a year ago

West Wales

"I think this sums up my feelings on the situation pretty well. Not mine but it will do...

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Anyone seen the parade in Australia chanting “kill the Jews”

It’s a complex situation but I’m really struggling to be on Palestine’s side

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By *r_PinkMan over a year ago

london stratford

"As a man with 90% of his family in Israel, who up until Saturday was anti war, pro peace. I now want to see HAMAS and anyone supporting Hamas DEAD!

watching my family and friends in Israel from here is killing me.

THEY do not want peace, they want to annilate all Israelis and all Jews!

I am Jewish and all my left wing beliefs of wanting peace has gone. FUCK them all. and I hope they all rot in hell

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Is the Israeli weaponry smart enough to distinguish between Hamas/Hamas supporters and Palestinian children?

If not their response is creating innocent victims and Palestinian people who will think a lot like you unfortunately. "

so! it was ok to kill our young teenagers and our kids? and its perfectly fine to take our civilians as hostage, then to parade them to cheering crowds?

guess what!!!! an eye for an eye, to tooth for a tooth and on a VERT PERSONAL note

2/3/4 hamas/palestinians/crowd cheersrs for one Israeli child sounds good to me!!!!

funny this! Israelis do not use our children to shield our fighters! HAMAS do!!!!!!

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By *r_PinkMan over a year ago

london stratford

"I think this sums up my feelings on the situation pretty well. Not mine but it will do...

You know I just read that quote 2 mins ago and gotta say it kinda sums it up for me too. "

believe me when I say that USED to be my view too! until I saw the horrific scenes and then spoke to my family in Israel!

They are scared and angry. you kill there children and now they want revenge! AND I can't blame them! I can't say to a mother whos child went to a peace loving music _estival and is now dead or is a hostage! "give peace a chance!" or "you know, there are two sides to the story". NO WAY.

I have been screaming for years for peace, saying that love thy neighbor! My family even hired Palestinian builders for decades, when Ii am in Israel, we go to the arab bakery *may I just add, they are arab israeli millionnares. This has been an unsolicited attack on innocent young people!

Now let the Hamas and people cheering them on feel the wrath for Israel!

and yes. it goes against everything I have preached for years. But I condone Israel. I agree with Israel and I hope Israel destroys Hamas and all its supporters!

Be them men, women and or children

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By *ohnnyTwoNotesMan over a year ago

golden fields

"I think this sums up my feelings on the situation pretty well. Not mine but it will do...

You know I just read that quote 2 mins ago and gotta say it kinda sums it up for me too.

believe me when I say that USED to be my view too! until I saw the horrific scenes and then spoke to my family in Israel!

Now let the Hamas and people cheering them on feel the wrath for Israel!

and yes. it goes against everything I have preached for years. But I condone Israel. I agree with Israel and I hope Israel destroys Hamas and all its supporters!

Be them men, women and or children"

This is interesting.

You know your counterparts in Palestine feel exactly the same in reverse?

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By *r_PinkMan over a year ago

london stratford

This is interesting.

You know your counterparts in Palestine feel exactly the same in reverse?"

I used to say that myself! but we, Israelis, do not go into Palestinian villages and kill indescrimently (not until now that is) We don't massacre people at a _estival and We didnt just decide "its a nice day to kill and take hostages!".

Listen to me.

I know i am taking this very personal. but I have justification for it.

Israel would love peace and if Palestinians did not allow and cheer Hamas, many restrictions would be lifted. BUT Hamas do not want peace! they want annihilation or all Israeli Jews!

enough is enough! if you don#t want peace and you wanna kill us. we will kill you. simple!

and I hate Hamas for making me feel that way

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By *ohnnyTwoNotesMan over a year ago

golden fields

This is interesting.

You know your counterparts in Palestine feel exactly the same in reverse?

Listen to me.

I know i am taking this very personal. but I have justification for it.

Israel would love peace and if Palestinians did not allow and cheer Hamas, many restrictions would be lifted. BUT Hamas do not want peace! they want annihilation or all Israeli Jews!

enough is enough! if you don#t want peace and you wanna kill us. we will kill you. simple!

and I hate Hamas for making me feel that way "

Of course taking it personally, that's understandable.

But you do know Israel have been killing civilians for decades.

Either Palestinians, Hamas, Israel, whomever they are, killing civilians is abhorrent. Ramping up and killing more is just escalating the hate.

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By *r_PinkMan over a year ago

london stratford

Of course taking it personally, that's understandable.

But you do know Israel have been killing civilians for decades.

Either Palestinians, Hamas, Israel, whomever they are, killing civilians is abhorrent. Ramping up and killing more is just escalating the hate. "

let me repeat myself!

up until Saturday. I said exactly the same! two wrongs do not make a right!

But that all finished the moment Hamas decided to start an all out war. this attack was planned, very well planned in fact! and it was meant to hurt the innocent/ they didnt attack militery bases! they attacked teenagers in on eplace, then went into villages and killed people, old and young in their homes!

They want to hurt kill and wipe my family off the face of the earth. I lose any empathy I had for them, I lose all respect I have for them and now say! stop using your children as shields. I do not care anymore for anyone who supports and allows Hamas to make sure peace can never be achieved/ If you want to harm us as a whole. fine. but you suffer the consequences and dont cry and say we are the evil ones.

99.999% Israel retaliates! 99.999% Hamas/PLO and all other arab terrorist organizations provoke!

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By *rRexxMan over a year ago

London

Mate when did I say I hate your family? You Israelis always claim to be victim (not being offensive) You guys confuse not liking the government and its actions with being anti-semetic and hatred? and I’m not sure what u mean by the last point but Israel has been involved directly in many genocides across the globe which I find so sad knowing what happened in ww2.

Everything else you said is pretty much word to word what a Palestinian would say to you? but their the ones who are suffering in essentially an open air prison in their own country but now this happened to you guys it’s an issue?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"What a load of bull shit your talking LOL.

I don’t condone what Hamas done with the murder of innocent civilians, I think everyone sane will agree with that. It’s tragic and I feel for you on that.

HOWEVER, how dare you say Israel has not committed any crimes or killings of innocent civilians and children when it is well documented. I suggest you pick up a history book or consult with any historian. BOTH sides have committed horrible crimes.

You seem to think Israel is blood free and some peace loving state which I find funny. When a population is pushed to their knees and they retaliate how are you blaming them. For 70 years plus, the ethnic cleanising of villages of native Palestinians to house Israelis. The amount of cases of Israel killing children is sad. HAMAS are simply a freedom fighting (somewhat rougue I agree) group whereas ISRAEL is a government. It’s simply crazy that you think Israel hasn’t done any of this?…

We never heard Israel or anyone condemn Israel themselves for the crimes against humanity they did but when hamas do it we need to condemn them?

oh yeah btw I personally hate Israel for a personal issue. They were involved in being contracted and bombing civilians and children in my country so I find it ironic .

"HAMAS are simply a freedom fighting group"

Hamas are an internationally recognised Islamic terrorist organisation well known for their brutality against Jews, as well as their "own" people. ISIS, Al Qaeda, Boko Haram, Taliban are all the same. Notice the commonality between these groups? Google "list of terrorist organisations" and you'll find a wikipedia page with the list. Again, notice the commonality between 99% of the groups listed. As we see in the news - large groups of people in many countries screeching "gas the Jews". Those gibbering baboons couldn't find Palestine on a map if you drew big red arrows pointing to it. This is not about Israel, it's about the destruction of the Jews.

Bess

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By *ohnnyTwoNotesMan over a year ago

golden fields

Of course taking it personally, that's understandable.

But you do know Israel have been killing civilians for decades.

Either Palestinians, Hamas, Israel, whomever they are, killing civilians is abhorrent. Ramping up and killing more is just escalating the hate.

let me repeat myself!

up until Saturday. I said exactly the same! two wrongs do not make a right!

99.999% Israel retaliates! 99.999% Hamas/PLO and all other arab terrorist organizations provoke! "

Two wrongs do not make a right.

Also, three wrongs do not make a right.

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By *astandFeistyCouple over a year ago

Bournemouth

Where did all this 'open air prison within their own country' from. Is there a higher power that are keeping Palestinaians in there?

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By *rRexxMan over a year ago

London

I don’t understand when Israel does it, it’s all okay? And they’re a professional government. Many people would call them the terrorist. I’m saying they’re both horrible organisations and don’t have a place in this world. There shouldn’t be a need but you can’t just have a military state try and govern a population without repercussions. Also Hamas i agree hamas is a terrorist organisation but they’re acting on needs of freedom fighting. Is that better wording? The fact you brought Islam (i can sense ur inferring that) into this is crazy as Palestinian Christians and Palestinian-Muslims are suffering side by side.

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By *r_PinkMan over a year ago

london stratford

Two wrongs do not make a right.

Also, three wrongs do not make a right. "

let me put it this way!

say I am bigger and stronger then you and you kick me, then you kick me again. finally I will snap and kick you. but my kick is harder then your, you kick me and cause a bruise, but when i kick you i break your leg!

then you cry that i hurt you and blame me!!!!

Israel will retaliate and it will be harsh. but its retaliation to terrorism! Hence why nearly all of the free world has shown its support to Israel!

I said. "i sued to say two wrongs don't make a right" but after this attack, I say "fuck em. we now ant revenge"

Its not nice I know. BUT fuck em. what they have done is sickening, apporhent , discusting, evil and planned to hurt as many as possible! you start this. now expect a fight back that you deserve to lose/

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By *rRexxMan over a year ago

London

“Where did all this 'open air prison within their own country' from. Is there a higher power that are keeping Palestinaians in there?”

I think you should search up Gaza…

instead of trying to be clever.

50% of Gaza are children and yet you’re here making a sly comment

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By *oan of DArcCouple over a year ago

Glasgow

"As a man with 90% of his family in Israel, who up until Saturday was anti war, pro peace. I now want to see HAMAS and anyone supporting Hamas DEAD!

watching my family and friends in Israel from here is killing me.

THEY do not want peace, they want to annilate all Israelis and all Jews!

I am Jewish and all my left wing beliefs of wanting peace has gone. FUCK them all. and I hope they all rot in hell

........................

Is the Israeli weaponry smart enough to distinguish between Hamas/Hamas supporters and Palestinian children?

If not their response is creating innocent victims and Palestinian people who will think a lot like you unfortunately.

so! it was ok to kill our young teenagers and our kids? and its perfectly fine to take our civilians as hostage, then to parade them to cheering crowds?

guess what!!!! an eye for an eye, to tooth for a tooth and on a VERT PERSONAL note

2/3/4 hamas/palestinians/crowd cheersrs for one Israeli child sounds good to me!!!!

funny this! Israelis do not use our children to shield our fighters! HAMAS do!!!!!!"

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I absolutely dont believe it's OK to kill teenagers or kids, Israeli or Palestinian, but you're sort of endorsing my point in your response.

Palestinians kill Israeli teenagers and children.

Israelis kill Palestinian teenagers and children.

Palestinians kill Israeli teenagers and children..and so it goes on.

An eye for an eye most definitely makes innocent Palestinians and Israelis blind.

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By *astandFeistyCouple over a year ago

Bournemouth

"“Where did all this 'open air prison within their own country' from. Is there a higher power that are keeping Palestinaians in there?”

I think you should search up Gaza…

instead of trying to be clever.

50% of Gaza are children and yet you’re here making a sly comment "

I know about Gaza. My question stands.

Is there a higher power keeping Palestinians in Gaza?

I know the Israelis only allow them to cross with a permit, and Egypt don't want them crossing en-masse.

Do prisons usually have a net migration rate?

Not really a prison, you know, where you're actually a prisoner are not free to leave.

What does 50% of Gaza being children have to do with my question?

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By *rRexxMan over a year ago

London

I believe they’re issued permits issued by Israel at the border if you’re a trader or aid worker. The ordinary citizen would be rejected most likely. And if they are allowed out what are they supposed to do. They won’t have valid documents, their home villages would have been taken over and built over, jobs wise what chance do they have. And why should they sacrifice the only land they have left.

On the Egyptian side I don’t know but there’s the Sinai desert which is massive and a dangerous journey. And I’m assuming there’s limitations.

My bad for assuming you meant different. We all have different perspectives looking at the same issue. There’s no point on arguing on this issue as people already have a side they passionately believe in.

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By *astandFeistyCouple over a year ago

Bournemouth

"I believe they’re issued permits issued by Israel at the border if you’re a trader or aid worker. The ordinary citizen would be rejected most likely. And if they are allowed out what are they supposed to do. They won’t have valid documents, their home villages would have been taken over and built over, jobs wise what chance do they have. And why should they sacrifice the only land they have left.

On the Egyptian side I don’t know but there’s the Sinai desert which is massive and a dangerous journey. And I’m assuming there’s limitations.

No drama, you seem to come at this quite emotionally, as has the other guy above.

It's a genuine question though, I've seen it being called 'open air prison', it's not a prison to me as they can leave, albeit with a permit, or Egypt accepting them.

I don't think displacement makes it a 'prison' either. There is the question of 'where can they go?' But again, that doesn't make it a prison.

It seems like people, journalists, NGO's etc are using that word because its emotional and fuels the mantra that Palestinians are innocent.

Now, I'm not saying most aren't innocent but so were those people massacred. Hamas created this current situation.

This is a case, same as most wars, of FUCK AROUND AND FIND OUT.

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By *ohnnyTwoNotesMan over a year ago

golden fields

Two wrongs do not make a right.

Also, three wrongs do not make a right.

let me put it this way!

then you cry that i hurt you and blame me!!!!

Israel will retaliate and it will be harsh. but its retaliation to terrorism! Hence why nearly all of the free world has shown its support to Israel!

I said. "i sued to say two wrongs don't make a right" but after this attack, I say "fuck em. we now ant revenge"

You must see that Palestinians on the opposite side of the fence are feeling the exact same way?

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By *rRexxMan over a year ago

London

I think we will have to agree to disagree, the way you’re speaking about this it’s okay to what’s happening to the Palestinians. They’re also humans and the way your talking about them is if they’re subhuman and don’t deserve basic rights.

I did speak with emotion at the start lol mostly as I got mad at one of the previous comments made. Also it’s a form of expression when ppl mention ‘open prison’. And tbh actually an open prison functions quite similarly.

What hamas done was disgusting and they should face the consequences. Many people would agree with that if it was that simple.

But when one side is favoured so much they can only do so much.

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By *r_PinkMan over a year ago

london stratford

please watch these

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hpp3AhmaORw

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6FVUxvp6Ah0

and please please please watch this one! see the glee of the Palestinams faces while Hamas parade a scared semi naked hostage!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RMejmg2T6z8&t=5s

then tell me to forgive and forget!

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By *ohnnyTwoNotesMan over a year ago

golden fields

"please watch these

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hpp3AhmaORw

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6FVUxvp6Ah0

and please please please watch this one! see the glee of the Palestinams faces while Hamas parade a scared semi naked hostage!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RMejmg2T6z8&t=5s

then tell me to forgive and forget!

No one's telling you to forgive and forget.

Just telling you that there are Palestinians that feel the same way you do. Doesn't seem like you can or will think about that.

You are now cheering on the attacks on Gaza?

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By *r_PinkMan over a year ago

london stratford

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By *r_PinkMan over a year ago

london stratford

"please watch these

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hpp3AhmaORw

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6FVUxvp6Ah0

and please please please watch this one! see the glee of the Palestinams faces while Hamas parade a scared semi naked hostage!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RMejmg2T6z8&t=5s

then tell me to forgive and forget!

No one's telling you to forgive and forget.

Just telling you that there are Palestinians that feel the same way you do. Doesn't seem like you can or will think about that.

You are now cheering on the attacks on Gaza?

As said to you in private.

its the straw that broke the camels back, and I am that camel.

You get me wrong. Trust me, I do not cheer with glee when I see the counter attack! I actually hope Hamas beg for a ceasefire, which if they did, Israel would agree to, that I am sure.

I can not wait for it all to stop but I understand Israel, support Israel and have lost mercy for those. especially in that last film!"

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By *ohnnyTwoNotesMan over a year ago

golden fields

"please watch these

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hpp3AhmaORw

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6FVUxvp6Ah0

and please please please watch this one! see the glee of the Palestinams faces while Hamas parade a scared semi naked hostage!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RMejmg2T6z8&t=5s

then tell me to forgive and forget!

No one's telling you to forgive and forget.

Just telling you that there are Palestinians that feel the same way you do. Doesn't seem like you can or will think about that.

You are now cheering on the attacks on Gaza?

As said to you in private.

its the straw that broke the camels back, and I am that camel.

You get me wrong. Trust me, I do not cheer with glee when I see the counter attack! I actually hope Hamas beg for a ceasefire, which if they did, Israel would agree to, that I am sure.

I can not wait for it all to stop but I understand Israel, support Israel and have lost mercy for those. especially in that last film!"

Okay. Thank you for explaining.

You didn't message me in private btw. I think you mixed me up with someone else.

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By *r_PinkMan over a year ago

london stratford

Okay. Thank you for explaining.

You didn't message me in private btw. I think you mixed me up with someone else."

My bad, correct, I mixed you up! but I am glad you understood my explanation, As some don't

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By *astandFeistyCouple over a year ago

Bournemouth

"I think we will have to agree to disagree, the way you’re speaking about this it’s okay to what’s happening to the Palestinians. They’re also humans and the way your talking about them is if they’re subhuman and don’t deserve basic rights.

What hamas done was disgusting and they should face the consequences. Many people would agree with that if it was that simple.

But when one side is favoured so much they can only do so much."

The Palestinians are also humans, I don't believe I've said the missiles fired int heir direction is OK. But I do believe if you want to lay blame for this current situation you should be laying it at Hamas.

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By *eroy1000Man over a year ago

milton keynes

The issue is what is your definition of barbaric?

& all while this is going on you slowly but surely push the walls in so the lives of those inside become more & More intolerable.

Oh & Netanyahu saying he’s cutting the water off? Meh, He’s done that several times this year already & the MSM don’t bother saying anything.

You can’t put a population under siege & claim they are the only barbaric ones just because theirs is instant barbarity & yours is over time & behind closed walls.

At the end of it all the body bags look the same no matter who is in them.

Your post has perfectly highlighted what I was saying

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By *abioMan over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

"Where did all this 'open air prison within their own country' from. Is there a higher power that are keeping Palestinaians in there?"

Yep… it’s called Israel…. Basically there is a big fence surrounding the Gaza Strip so people can only get in and out at certain checkpoints

There is one crossing from Gaza into Egypt but you need permits to cross… it’s mainly used for humanitarian purposes… but Israeli warplanes are bombing that as well to the point where Egypt have closed it

So they are basically trapped in.. and with no electricity, water and food being let in.. by definition you are starving the population… that by international definition is a war crime

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By *astandFeistyCouple over a year ago

Bournemouth

"Where did all this 'open air prison within their own country' from. Is there a higher power that are keeping Palestinaians in there?

Yep… it’s called Israel…. Basically there is a big fence surrounding the Gaza Strip so people can only get in and out at certain checkpoints

So they are basically trapped in.. and with no electricity, water and food being let in.. by definition you are starving the population… that by international definition is a war crime "

'Humanitarian purposes' like seeking asylum?

Surely not...

Even if Egypt have closed that checkpoint, its been called 'open air prison' for way way longer than the last couple of days.

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By *r_PinkMan over a year ago

london stratford

"Where did all this 'open air prison within their own country' from. Is there a higher power that are keeping Palestinaians in there?

Yep… it’s called Israel…. Basically there is a big fence surrounding the Gaza Strip so people can only get in and out at certain checkpoints

So they are basically trapped in.. and with no electricity, water and food being let in.. by definition you are starving the population… that by international definition is a war crime

'Humanitarian purposes' like seeking asylum?

Surely not...

Even if Egypt have closed that checkpoint, its been called 'open air prison' for way way longer than the last couple of days. "

and Israelis are not allowed in Palestine, that is by the order of Palestinians, unless for work or medical purposes. but no one ever mentions that. now do they! so the bollox goes on and still!!!!! do you condone the evil atrocities Hamas has done? I bet you have not watched the youtube fims I have posted

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By *astandFeistyCouple over a year ago

Bournemouth

"Where did all this 'open air prison within their own country' from. Is there a higher power that are keeping Palestinaians in there?

Yep… it’s called Israel…. Basically there is a big fence surrounding the Gaza Strip so people can only get in and out at certain checkpoints

So they are basically trapped in.. and with no electricity, water and food being let in.. by definition you are starving the population… that by international definition is a war crime

'Humanitarian purposes' like seeking asylum?

Surely not...

Even if Egypt have closed that checkpoint, its been called 'open air prison' for way way longer than the last couple of days.

Are you replying to me??

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By *irldnCouple over a year ago

Brighton

On the Egyptian side I don’t know but there’s the Sinai desert which is massive and a dangerous journey. And I’m assuming there’s limitations.

No drama, you seem to come at this quite emotionally, as has the other guy above.

It's a genuine question though, I've seen it being called 'open air prison', it's not a prison to me as they can leave, albeit with a permit, or Egypt accepting them.

I don't think displacement makes it a 'prison' either. There is the question of 'where can they go?' But again, that doesn't make it a prison.

It seems like people, journalists, NGO's etc are using that word because its emotional and fuels the mantra that Palestinians are innocent.

Now, I'm not saying most aren't innocent but so were those people massacred. Hamas created this current situation.

This is a case, same as most wars, of FUCK AROUND AND FIND OUT. "

Egypt Palestinian relations are also not straightforward. Egypt built a wall to stop Palestinians entering Egypt from Gaza.

“Palestinians in Egypt are neither recognised as refugees nor citizens, 75 years after the first refugees arrived after the Nakba”