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"Just seen some of the footage coming in. Truly chilling scenes. A young girl face down in the back of a pick up in her underwear being shown off by “brave” Hamas fighters and the torture of another soldier. This is not going to end well. This Israeli government may now have the mandate to really go big in the name of self defence. " what do you meen have a mandate, the Israeli goverment dont need a reason to blow the shit out of palistinians because the rest of world are to shit scared to critasise them, what would you do if you were being held in an open air prison camp? | |||
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"I don't know if it's just rhetoric but the Israeli PM seems to have declared war. I assume on terrorists and not Palestine as a whole but with that sort of statement it seems more than a skirmish" when you have 2.5 million people crammed into a 41 mile strip of land then yea they have declared war on all of them, | |||
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"I don't know if it's just rhetoric but the Israeli PM seems to have declared war. I assume on terrorists and not Palestine as a whole but with that sort of statement it seems more than a skirmish" I see a curb stomping coming. They will not be seen to let this pass otherwise the PM will be seen as weak. | |||
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"Massive lack of intelligence from Israel in relation to this… Israeli generals and military personnel are going to lose jobs over this Iran seem to have done one hell of a job arming hamas " Lack of intelligence or some sacrificial lambs for a greater goal...? | |||
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"I wonder if Iran are being enlisted in this show of strength against Israel by Russia to put more pressure on the USA given the chaos that’s going on in the senate over there. It would be in Russia’s interests to put pressure on Bidens budget by getting him to support Israel and who knows what the Saudi’s would do given their hatred of Iran! Disturbing times!" Israel is perfectly capable of handling the situation. | |||
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"I wonder if Iran are being enlisted in this show of strength against Israel by Russia to put more pressure on the USA given the chaos that’s going on in the senate over there. It would be in Russia’s interests to put pressure on Bidens budget by getting him to support Israel and who knows what the Saudi’s would do given their hatred of Iran! Disturbing times!" "Israel is perfectly capable of handling the situation. " It is. But will Biden be able to resist jumping in to 'help out'? | |||
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"I wonder if Iran are being enlisted in this show of strength against Israel by Russia to put more pressure on the USA given the chaos that’s going on in the senate over there. It would be in Russia’s interests to put pressure on Bidens budget by getting him to support Israel and who knows what the Saudi’s would do given their hatred of Iran! Disturbing times! Israel is perfectly capable of handling the situation. It is. But will Biden be able to resist jumping in to 'help out'?" I should imagine a lot of arms will be flooding in from the US very soon along with more cash. | |||
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"Quick question, everyone agrees ukraine have a right to defend there land against russia and do whatever it takes to push russia out of there borders, wats the difference here? Isreal are occupying palastinian land so how comes there not allowed to do whatever it takes to take there land back? Even the un agree isreal are illegally occupying that land" It's complicated. The Palestinians have had many opportunities to create their own state. Always hard-liners refuse and instead want to eliminate Israel completely. We all know that isn't going to happen, and so the tit-for-tat circle of violence goes on. There are wrongs and transgressions on both sides. | |||
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"Quick question, everyone agrees ukraine have a right to defend there land against russia and do whatever it takes to push russia out of there borders, wats the difference here? Isreal are occupying palastinian land so how comes there not allowed to do whatever it takes to take there land back? Even the un agree isreal are illegally occupying that land" I draw the line at whatever it takes. Just like I draw the line against Israelis conduct towards Gaza and their own settlers. I am quite capable of not picking a side here. I feel dreadful toward the babies in Gaza today who have no power for their incubators just as much as the children murdered yesterday. It’s Hamas who also have their boot on the throat of ordinary Palestinians just as much as Israel. | |||
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"Quick question, everyone agrees ukraine have a right to defend there land against russia and do whatever it takes to push russia out of there borders, wats the difference here? Isreal are occupying palastinian land so how comes there not allowed to do whatever it takes to take there land back? Even the un agree isreal are illegally occupying that land It's complicated. The Palestinians have had many opportunities to create their own state. Always hard-liners refuse and instead want to eliminate Israel completely. We all know that isn't going to happen, and so the tit-for-tat circle of violence goes on. There are wrongs and transgressions on both sides. " dosent answer the question of why we in the west cheer ukraine on taking there land back but expect the Palestinians to do nothing about the land thats been occupied by there neighbours dont get me wrong im not siding with palestinians i think there just as fucking nuts as isreal, just think the west are being hypocritical backing one country taking there land back and condeming others trying to do the same, either same backing for everone in that situation or no backing for anyone | |||
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"Quick question, everyone agrees ukraine have a right to defend there land against russia and do whatever it takes to push russia out of there borders, wats the difference here? Isreal are occupying palastinian land so how comes there not allowed to do whatever it takes to take there land back? Even the un agree isreal are illegally occupying that land It's complicated. The Palestinians have had many opportunities to create their own state. Always hard-liners refuse and instead want to eliminate Israel completely. We all know that isn't going to happen, and so the tit-for-tat circle of violence goes on. There are wrongs and transgressions on both sides. dosent answer the question of why we in the west cheer ukraine on taking there land back but expect the Palestinians to do nothing about the land thats been occupied by there neighbours dont get me wrong im not siding with palestinians i think there just as fucking nuts as isreal, just think the west are being hypocritical backing one country taking there land back and condeming others trying to do the same, either same backing for everone in that situation or no backing for anyone" I don't think we do take sides. There is a lot of support for Palestine in the West, and much condemnation of Israel. | |||
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"Quick question, everyone agrees ukraine have a right to defend there land against russia and do whatever it takes to push russia out of there borders, wats the difference here? Isreal are occupying palastinian land so how comes there not allowed to do whatever it takes to take there land back? Even the un agree isreal are illegally occupying that land It's complicated. The Palestinians have had many opportunities to create their own state. Always hard-liners refuse and instead want to eliminate Israel completely. We all know that isn't going to happen, and so the tit-for-tat circle of violence goes on. There are wrongs and transgressions on both sides. dosent answer the question of why we in the west cheer ukraine on taking there land back but expect the Palestinians to do nothing about the land thats been occupied by there neighbours dont get me wrong im not siding with palestinians i think there just as fucking nuts as isreal, just think the west are being hypocritical backing one country taking there land back and condeming others trying to do the same, either same backing for everone in that situation or no backing for anyone" Because fighting an army is different from parading around dead bodies of civilians while chanting a God's name? Not saying Israel is good because they have also killed civilians. But if you are asking about difference between Ukraine and Palestine, that's it. Also, if Russia loses the war and goes back, one can be reasonably sure that Ukraine won't go into Russia to destroy them. Same cannot be said for Palestine and Israel. The war has long since moved from just wanting a peaceful territory for themselves, to wanting to destroy every person of the opposite group. | |||
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"Quick question, everyone agrees ukraine have a right to defend there land against russia and do whatever it takes to push russia out of there borders, wats the difference here? Isreal are occupying palastinian land so how comes there not allowed to do whatever it takes to take there land back? Even the un agree isreal are illegally occupying that land It's complicated. The Palestinians have had many opportunities to create their own state. Always hard-liners refuse and instead want to eliminate Israel completely. We all know that isn't going to happen, and so the tit-for-tat circle of violence goes on. There are wrongs and transgressions on both sides. dosent answer the question of why we in the west cheer ukraine on taking there land back but expect the Palestinians to do nothing about the land thats been occupied by there neighbours dont get me wrong im not siding with palestinians i think there just as fucking nuts as isreal, just think the west are being hypocritical backing one country taking there land back and condeming others trying to do the same, either same backing for everone in that situation or no backing for anyone Because fighting an army is different from parading around dead bodies of civilians while chanting a God's name? Not saying Israel is good because they have also killed civilians. But if you are asking about difference between Ukraine and Palestine, that's it. Also, if Russia loses the war and goes back, one can be reasonably sure that Ukraine won't go into Russia to destroy them. Same cannot be said for Palestine and Israel. The war has long since moved from just wanting a peaceful territory for themselves, to wanting to destroy every person of the opposite group." so you think taking peoples land and installing your own citizens on it is ok for isreal but is wrong if russia do it? Its either wrong or ok | |||
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"Quick question, everyone agrees ukraine have a right to defend there land against russia and do whatever it takes to push russia out of there borders, wats the difference here? Isreal are occupying palastinian land so how comes there not allowed to do whatever it takes to take there land back? Even the un agree isreal are illegally occupying that land It's complicated. The Palestinians have had many opportunities to create their own state. Always hard-liners refuse and instead want to eliminate Israel completely. We all know that isn't going to happen, and so the tit-for-tat circle of violence goes on. There are wrongs and transgressions on both sides. dosent answer the question of why we in the west cheer ukraine on taking there land back but expect the Palestinians to do nothing about the land thats been occupied by there neighbours dont get me wrong im not siding with palestinians i think there just as fucking nuts as isreal, just think the west are being hypocritical backing one country taking there land back and condeming others trying to do the same, either same backing for everone in that situation or no backing for anyone Because fighting an army is different from parading around dead bodies of civilians while chanting a God's name? Not saying Israel is good because they have also killed civilians. But if you are asking about difference between Ukraine and Palestine, that's it. Also, if Russia loses the war and goes back, one can be reasonably sure that Ukraine won't go into Russia to destroy them. Same cannot be said for Palestine and Israel. The war has long since moved from just wanting a peaceful territory for themselves, to wanting to destroy every person of the opposite group. so you think taking peoples land and installing your own citizens on it is ok for isreal but is wrong if russia do it? Its either wrong or ok" That's not what I said at all. Did you even read the post?  | |||
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"Quick question, everyone agrees ukraine have a right to defend there land against russia and do whatever it takes to push russia out of there borders, wats the difference here? Isreal are occupying palastinian land so how comes there not allowed to do whatever it takes to take there land back? Even the un agree isreal are illegally occupying that land It's complicated. The Palestinians have had many opportunities to create their own state. Always hard-liners refuse and instead want to eliminate Israel completely. We all know that isn't going to happen, and so the tit-for-tat circle of violence goes on. There are wrongs and transgressions on both sides. dosent answer the question of why we in the west cheer ukraine on taking there land back but expect the Palestinians to do nothing about the land thats been occupied by there neighbours dont get me wrong im not siding with palestinians i think there just as fucking nuts as isreal, just think the west are being hypocritical backing one country taking there land back and condeming others trying to do the same, either same backing for everone in that situation or no backing for anyone I don't think we do take sides. There is a lot of support for Palestine in the West, and much condemnation of Israel. " In terms of military supplies, tech and hardware, the west certainly supports one side a fuck load more than the other. | |||
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"Quick question, everyone agrees ukraine have a right to defend there land against russia and do whatever it takes to push russia out of there borders, wats the difference here? Isreal are occupying palastinian land so how comes there not allowed to do whatever it takes to take there land back? Even the un agree isreal are illegally occupying that land It's complicated. The Palestinians have had many opportunities to create their own state. Always hard-liners refuse and instead want to eliminate Israel completely. We all know that isn't going to happen, and so the tit-for-tat circle of violence goes on. There are wrongs and transgressions on both sides. dosent answer the question of why we in the west cheer ukraine on taking there land back but expect the Palestinians to do nothing about the land thats been occupied by there neighbours dont get me wrong im not siding with palestinians i think there just as fucking nuts as isreal, just think the west are being hypocritical backing one country taking there land back and condeming others trying to do the same, either same backing for everone in that situation or no backing for anyone I don't think we do take sides. There is a lot of support for Palestine in the West, and much condemnation of Israel. " we dont take sides hahaha most of the west are arming ukraine to the teeth with our taxes yet not one of them have condemed the isreali goverment for taking land that dosent belong to them let alone put sactions on them,so yes our goverments do take sides, i just cant see what the difference is if you take land that dosent belong to you your either in the wrong or you aint, cant be one rule for one lot of people and another rule for another lot who have done the same thing | |||
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"Quick question, everyone agrees ukraine have a right to defend there land against russia and do whatever it takes to push russia out of there borders, wats the difference here? Isreal are occupying palastinian land so how comes there not allowed to do whatever it takes to take there land back? Even the un agree isreal are illegally occupying that land It's complicated. The Palestinians have had many opportunities to create their own state. Always hard-liners refuse and instead want to eliminate Israel completely. We all know that isn't going to happen, and so the tit-for-tat circle of violence goes on. There are wrongs and transgressions on both sides. dosent answer the question of why we in the west cheer ukraine on taking there land back but expect the Palestinians to do nothing about the land thats been occupied by there neighbours dont get me wrong im not siding with palestinians i think there just as fucking nuts as isreal, just think the west are being hypocritical backing one country taking there land back and condeming others trying to do the same, either same backing for everone in that situation or no backing for anyone I don't think we do take sides. There is a lot of support for Palestine in the West, and much condemnation of Israel. we dont take sides hahaha most of the west are arming ukraine to the teeth with our taxes yet not one of them have condemed the isreali goverment for taking land that dosent belong to them let alone put sactions on them,so yes our goverments do take sides, i just cant see what the difference is if you take land that dosent belong to you your either in the wrong or you aint, cant be one rule for one lot of people and another rule for another lot who have done the same thing" If you can't see the difference then maybe you should read-up on why the state of Israel was created in the first place, and how Israel came to occupy further land in 1967. Then consider why Palestinians have refused numerous offers to create their own state since. Like I say, complicated. | |||
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"Quick question, everyone agrees ukraine have a right to defend there land against russia and do whatever it takes to push russia out of there borders, wats the difference here? Isreal are occupying palastinian land so how comes there not allowed to do whatever it takes to take there land back? Even the un agree isreal are illegally occupying that land It's complicated. The Palestinians have had many opportunities to create their own state. Always hard-liners refuse and instead want to eliminate Israel completely. We all know that isn't going to happen, and so the tit-for-tat circle of violence goes on. There are wrongs and transgressions on both sides. dosent answer the question of why we in the west cheer ukraine on taking there land back but expect the Palestinians to do nothing about the land thats been occupied by there neighbours dont get me wrong im not siding with palestinians i think there just as fucking nuts as isreal, just think the west are being hypocritical backing one country taking there land back and condeming others trying to do the same, either same backing for everone in that situation or no backing for anyone I don't think we do take sides. There is a lot of support for Palestine in the West, and much condemnation of Israel. we dont take sides hahaha most of the west are arming ukraine to the teeth with our taxes yet not one of them have condemed the isreali goverment for taking land that dosent belong to them let alone put sactions on them,so yes our goverments do take sides, i just cant see what the difference is if you take land that dosent belong to you your either in the wrong or you aint, cant be one rule for one lot of people and another rule for another lot who have done the same thing If you can't see the difference then maybe you should read-up on why the state of Israel was created in the first place, and how Israel came to occupy further land in 1967. Then consider why Palestinians have refused numerous offers to create their own state since. Like I say, complicated. " dont know everything about the confluct but do know before the europeans rocked up in the late 40s arabs and jews pretty much got along ok in that part of the world, and there is no difference in occupying someones land, its either wrong for anyone to do it or its not wrong and we should stop supporting ukraine if we not gona support others who have been occupied, or is it only wrong if it happens to white europeans? | |||
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"Quick question, everyone agrees ukraine have a right to defend there land against russia and do whatever it takes to push russia out of there borders, wats the difference here? Isreal are occupying palastinian land so how comes there not allowed to do whatever it takes to take there land back? Even the un agree isreal are illegally occupying that land It's complicated. The Palestinians have had many opportunities to create their own state. Always hard-liners refuse and instead want to eliminate Israel completely. We all know that isn't going to happen, and so the tit-for-tat circle of violence goes on. There are wrongs and transgressions on both sides. dosent answer the question of why we in the west cheer ukraine on taking there land back but expect the Palestinians to do nothing about the land thats been occupied by there neighbours dont get me wrong im not siding with palestinians i think there just as fucking nuts as isreal, just think the west are being hypocritical backing one country taking there land back and condeming others trying to do the same, either same backing for everone in that situation or no backing for anyone I don't think we do take sides. There is a lot of support for Palestine in the West, and much condemnation of Israel. In terms of military supplies, tech and hardware, the west certainly supports one side a fuck load more than the other. " I wouldn’t say the West, sure they all spout the same stuff but there’s really only one country who arm them isn’t there? S | |||
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"Quick question, everyone agrees ukraine have a right to defend there land against russia and do whatever it takes to push russia out of there borders, wats the difference here? Isreal are occupying palastinian land so how comes there not allowed to do whatever it takes to take there land back? Even the un agree isreal are illegally occupying that land It's complicated. The Palestinians have had many opportunities to create their own state. Always hard-liners refuse and instead want to eliminate Israel completely. We all know that isn't going to happen, and so the tit-for-tat circle of violence goes on. There are wrongs and transgressions on both sides. dosent answer the question of why we in the west cheer ukraine on taking there land back but expect the Palestinians to do nothing about the land thats been occupied by there neighbours dont get me wrong im not siding with palestinians i think there just as fucking nuts as isreal, just think the west are being hypocritical backing one country taking there land back and condeming others trying to do the same, either same backing for everone in that situation or no backing for anyone I don't think we do take sides. There is a lot of support for Palestine in the West, and much condemnation of Israel. we dont take sides hahaha most of the west are arming ukraine to the teeth with our taxes yet not one of them have condemed the isreali goverment for taking land that dosent belong to them let alone put sactions on them,so yes our goverments do take sides, i just cant see what the difference is if you take land that dosent belong to you your either in the wrong or you aint, cant be one rule for one lot of people and another rule for another lot who have done the same thing If you can't see the difference then maybe you should read-up on why the state of Israel was created in the first place, and how Israel came to occupy further land in 1967. Then consider why Palestinians have refused numerous offers to create their own state since. Like I say, complicated. dont know everything about the confluct but do know before the europeans rocked up in the late 40s arabs and jews pretty much got along ok in that part of the world, and there is no difference in occupying someones land, its either wrong for anyone to do it or its not wrong and we should stop supporting ukraine if we not gona support others who have been occupied, or is it only wrong if it happens to white europeans? " OK so let's talk about occupied lands. What's your position on USA, Australia, Canada, New Zealand. What about England? Any chance the Welsh can have it back? | |||
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"Quick question, everyone agrees ukraine have a right to defend there land against russia and do whatever it takes to push russia out of there borders, wats the difference here? Isreal are occupying palastinian land so how comes there not allowed to do whatever it takes to take there land back? Even the un agree isreal are illegally occupying that land It's complicated. The Palestinians have had many opportunities to create their own state. Always hard-liners refuse and instead want to eliminate Israel completely. We all know that isn't going to happen, and so the tit-for-tat circle of violence goes on. There are wrongs and transgressions on both sides. dosent answer the question of why we in the west cheer ukraine on taking there land back but expect the Palestinians to do nothing about the land thats been occupied by there neighbours dont get me wrong im not siding with palestinians i think there just as fucking nuts as isreal, just think the west are being hypocritical backing one country taking there land back and condeming others trying to do the same, either same backing for everone in that situation or no backing for anyone I don't think we do take sides. There is a lot of support for Palestine in the West, and much condemnation of Israel. we dont take sides hahaha most of the west are arming ukraine to the teeth with our taxes yet not one of them have condemed the isreali goverment for taking land that dosent belong to them let alone put sactions on them,so yes our goverments do take sides, i just cant see what the difference is if you take land that dosent belong to you your either in the wrong or you aint, cant be one rule for one lot of people and another rule for another lot who have done the same thing If you can't see the difference then maybe you should read-up on why the state of Israel was created in the first place, and how Israel came to occupy further land in 1967. Then consider why Palestinians have refused numerous offers to create their own state since. Like I say, complicated. dont know everything about the confluct but do know before the europeans rocked up in the late 40s arabs and jews pretty much got along ok in that part of the world, and there is no difference in occupying someones land, its either wrong for anyone to do it or its not wrong and we should stop supporting ukraine if we not gona support others who have been occupied, or is it only wrong if it happens to white europeans? OK so let's talk about occupied lands. What's your position on USA, Australia, Canada, New Zealand. What about England? Any chance the Welsh can have it back?" if they want it back yea, also think the scottish should be allowed another vote on independence, no one has the right to take other peoples land, id say ukraine should also give the land back that belongs to romania and poland, as for the usa i def think native americans should have a lot bigger say about what goes on in THERE country | |||
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"Quick question, everyone agrees ukraine have a right to defend there land against russia and do whatever it takes to push russia out of there borders, wats the difference here? Isreal are occupying palastinian land so how comes there not allowed to do whatever it takes to take there land back? Even the un agree isreal are illegally occupying that land It's complicated. The Palestinians have had many opportunities to create their own state. Always hard-liners refuse and instead want to eliminate Israel completely. We all know that isn't going to happen, and so the tit-for-tat circle of violence goes on. There are wrongs and transgressions on both sides. dosent answer the question of why we in the west cheer ukraine on taking there land back but expect the Palestinians to do nothing about the land thats been occupied by there neighbours dont get me wrong im not siding with palestinians i think there just as fucking nuts as isreal, just think the west are being hypocritical backing one country taking there land back and condeming others trying to do the same, either same backing for everone in that situation or no backing for anyone I don't think we do take sides. There is a lot of support for Palestine in the West, and much condemnation of Israel. we dont take sides hahaha most of the west are arming ukraine to the teeth with our taxes yet not one of them have condemed the isreali goverment for taking land that dosent belong to them let alone put sactions on them,so yes our goverments do take sides, i just cant see what the difference is if you take land that dosent belong to you your either in the wrong or you aint, cant be one rule for one lot of people and another rule for another lot who have done the same thing If you can't see the difference then maybe you should read-up on why the state of Israel was created in the first place, and how Israel came to occupy further land in 1967. Then consider why Palestinians have refused numerous offers to create their own state since. Like I say, complicated. dont know everything about the confluct but do know before the europeans rocked up in the late 40s arabs and jews pretty much got along ok in that part of the world, and there is no difference in occupying someones land, its either wrong for anyone to do it or its not wrong and we should stop supporting ukraine if we not gona support others who have been occupied, or is it only wrong if it happens to white europeans? OK so let's talk about occupied lands. What's your position on USA, Australia, Canada, New Zealand. What about England? Any chance the Welsh can have it back?if they want it back yea, also think the scottish should be allowed another vote on independence, no one has the right to take other peoples land, id say ukraine should also give the land back that belongs to romania and poland, as for the usa i def think native americans should have a lot bigger say about what goes on in THERE country" When you say other people's land, how far in the history are we allowed to go to find the real owners of the land? | |||
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"Just seen some of the footage coming in. Truly chilling scenes. A young girl face down in the back of a pick up in her underwear being shown off by “brave” Hamas fighters and the torture of another soldier. This is not going to end well. This Israeli government may now have the mandate to really go big in the name of self defence. what do you meen have a mandate, the Israeli goverment dont need a reason to blow the shit out of palistinians because the rest of world are to shit scared to critasise them, what would you do if you were being held in an open air prison camp? " I would kick ass and chew bubblegum, and im sh8t out of bubblegum. | |||
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"Quick question, everyone agrees ukraine have a right to defend there land against russia and do whatever it takes to push russia out of there borders, wats the difference here? Isreal are occupying palastinian land so how comes there not allowed to do whatever it takes to take there land back? Even the un agree isreal are illegally occupying that land It's complicated. The Palestinians have had many opportunities to create their own state. Always hard-liners refuse and instead want to eliminate Israel completely. We all know that isn't going to happen, and so the tit-for-tat circle of violence goes on. There are wrongs and transgressions on both sides. dosent answer the question of why we in the west cheer ukraine on taking there land back but expect the Palestinians to do nothing about the land thats been occupied by there neighbours dont get me wrong im not siding with palestinians i think there just as fucking nuts as isreal, just think the west are being hypocritical backing one country taking there land back and condeming others trying to do the same, either same backing for everone in that situation or no backing for anyone I don't think we do take sides. There is a lot of support for Palestine in the West, and much condemnation of Israel. we dont take sides hahaha most of the west are arming ukraine to the teeth with our taxes yet not one of them have condemed the isreali goverment for taking land that dosent belong to them let alone put sactions on them,so yes our goverments do take sides, i just cant see what the difference is if you take land that dosent belong to you your either in the wrong or you aint, cant be one rule for one lot of people and another rule for another lot who have done the same thing If you can't see the difference then maybe you should read-up on why the state of Israel was created in the first place, and how Israel came to occupy further land in 1967. Then consider why Palestinians have refused numerous offers to create their own state since. Like I say, complicated. dont know everything about the confluct but do know before the europeans rocked up in the late 40s arabs and jews pretty much got along ok in that part of the world, and there is no difference in occupying someones land, its either wrong for anyone to do it or its not wrong and we should stop supporting ukraine if we not gona support others who have been occupied, or is it only wrong if it happens to white europeans? OK so let's talk about occupied lands. What's your position on USA, Australia, Canada, New Zealand. What about England? Any chance the Welsh can have it back?if they want it back yea, also think the scottish should be allowed another vote on independence, no one has the right to take other peoples land, id say ukraine should also give the land back that belongs to romania and poland, as for the usa i def think native americans should have a lot bigger say about what goes on in THERE country When you say other people's land, how far in the history are we allowed to go to find the real owners of the land? " cpl of hundred years id say, the other poster going on about wales having england back you would have to let me know how far back that was, just amazes me everyone cheers ukraine on about taking there land back but palestinians fight for there land then thats wrong, hypocrisy everyone has a right to fight for there land or no one does | |||
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"Quick question, everyone agrees ukraine have a right to defend there land against russia and do whatever it takes to push russia out of there borders, wats the difference here? Isreal are occupying palastinian land so how comes there not allowed to do whatever it takes to take there land back? Even the un agree isreal are illegally occupying that land It's complicated. The Palestinians have had many opportunities to create their own state. Always hard-liners refuse and instead want to eliminate Israel completely. We all know that isn't going to happen, and so the tit-for-tat circle of violence goes on. There are wrongs and transgressions on both sides. dosent answer the question of why we in the west cheer ukraine on taking there land back but expect the Palestinians to do nothing about the land thats been occupied by there neighbours dont get me wrong im not siding with palestinians i think there just as fucking nuts as isreal, just think the west are being hypocritical backing one country taking there land back and condeming others trying to do the same, either same backing for everone in that situation or no backing for anyone I don't think we do take sides. There is a lot of support for Palestine in the West, and much condemnation of Israel. we dont take sides hahaha most of the west are arming ukraine to the teeth with our taxes yet not one of them have condemed the isreali goverment for taking land that dosent belong to them let alone put sactions on them,so yes our goverments do take sides, i just cant see what the difference is if you take land that dosent belong to you your either in the wrong or you aint, cant be one rule for one lot of people and another rule for another lot who have done the same thing If you can't see the difference then maybe you should read-up on why the state of Israel was created in the first place, and how Israel came to occupy further land in 1967. Then consider why Palestinians have refused numerous offers to create their own state since. Like I say, complicated. dont know everything about the confluct but do know before the europeans rocked up in the late 40s arabs and jews pretty much got along ok in that part of the world, and there is no difference in occupying someones land, its either wrong for anyone to do it or its not wrong and we should stop supporting ukraine if we not gona support others who have been occupied, or is it only wrong if it happens to white europeans? OK so let's talk about occupied lands. What's your position on USA, Australia, Canada, New Zealand. What about England? Any chance the Welsh can have it back?if they want it back yea, also think the scottish should be allowed another vote on independence, no one has the right to take other peoples land, id say ukraine should also give the land back that belongs to romania and poland, as for the usa i def think native americans should have a lot bigger say about what goes on in THERE country When you say other people's land, how far in the history are we allowed to go to find the real owners of the land? " Israel are actively taking land in the present day. We could start there maybe. | |||
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"Quick question, everyone agrees ukraine have a right to defend there land against russia and do whatever it takes to push russia out of there borders, wats the difference here? Isreal are occupying palastinian land so how comes there not allowed to do whatever it takes to take there land back? Even the un agree isreal are illegally occupying that land It's complicated. The Palestinians have had many opportunities to create their own state. Always hard-liners refuse and instead want to eliminate Israel completely. We all know that isn't going to happen, and so the tit-for-tat circle of violence goes on. There are wrongs and transgressions on both sides. dosent answer the question of why we in the west cheer ukraine on taking there land back but expect the Palestinians to do nothing about the land thats been occupied by there neighbours dont get me wrong im not siding with palestinians i think there just as fucking nuts as isreal, just think the west are being hypocritical backing one country taking there land back and condeming others trying to do the same, either same backing for everone in that situation or no backing for anyone I don't think we do take sides. There is a lot of support for Palestine in the West, and much condemnation of Israel. we dont take sides hahaha most of the west are arming ukraine to the teeth with our taxes yet not one of them have condemed the isreali goverment for taking land that dosent belong to them let alone put sactions on them,so yes our goverments do take sides, i just cant see what the difference is if you take land that dosent belong to you your either in the wrong or you aint, cant be one rule for one lot of people and another rule for another lot who have done the same thing If you can't see the difference then maybe you should read-up on why the state of Israel was created in the first place, and how Israel came to occupy further land in 1967. Then consider why Palestinians have refused numerous offers to create their own state since. Like I say, complicated. dont know everything about the confluct but do know before the europeans rocked up in the late 40s arabs and jews pretty much got along ok in that part of the world, and there is no difference in occupying someones land, its either wrong for anyone to do it or its not wrong and we should stop supporting ukraine if we not gona support others who have been occupied, or is it only wrong if it happens to white europeans? OK so let's talk about occupied lands. What's your position on USA, Australia, Canada, New Zealand. What about England? Any chance the Welsh can have it back?if they want it back yea, also think the scottish should be allowed another vote on independence, no one has the right to take other peoples land, id say ukraine should also give the land back that belongs to romania and poland, as for the usa i def think native americans should have a lot bigger say about what goes on in THERE country When you say other people's land, how far in the history are we allowed to go to find the real owners of the land? Israel are actively taking land in the present day. We could start there maybe. " That's a fair take. But then that applies to Russia too. The difference being that Ukrainians are fighting the Russian army while Hamas have been targeting civilians for while. Ukraine's goal is to get its own territory back while Hamas wants to wipe out Israel, which is why it's difficult to pick a side in Israel Palestine conflict, unlike Ukraine issue. | |||
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" We could start there maybe. That's a fair take. But then that applies to Russia too. The difference being that Ukrainians are fighting the Russian army while Hamas have been targeting civilians for while. Ukraine's goal is to get its own territory back while Hamas wants to wipe out Israel, which is why it's difficult to pick a side in Israel Palestine conflict, unlike Ukraine issue." Support a legitimate government or support a terrorist organisation..i mean doesn't sound too hard to me anyone trying to justify this with Israel what aboutisms, give your head a good shake | |||
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"Quick question, everyone agrees ukraine have a right to defend there land against russia and do whatever it takes to push russia out of there borders, wats the difference here? Isreal are occupying palastinian land so how comes there not allowed to do whatever it takes to take there land back? Even the un agree isreal are illegally occupying that land It's complicated. The Palestinians have had many opportunities to create their own state. Always hard-liners refuse and instead want to eliminate Israel completely. We all know that isn't going to happen, and so the tit-for-tat circle of violence goes on. There are wrongs and transgressions on both sides. dosent answer the question of why we in the west cheer ukraine on taking there land back but expect the Palestinians to do nothing about the land thats been occupied by there neighbours dont get me wrong im not siding with palestinians i think there just as fucking nuts as isreal, just think the west are being hypocritical backing one country taking there land back and condeming others trying to do the same, either same backing for everone in that situation or no backing for anyone I don't think we do take sides. There is a lot of support for Palestine in the West, and much condemnation of Israel. we dont take sides hahaha most of the west are arming ukraine to the teeth with our taxes yet not one of them have condemed the isreali goverment for taking land that dosent belong to them let alone put sactions on them,so yes our goverments do take sides, i just cant see what the difference is if you take land that dosent belong to you your either in the wrong or you aint, cant be one rule for one lot of people and another rule for another lot who have done the same thing If you can't see the difference then maybe you should read-up on why the state of Israel was created in the first place, and how Israel came to occupy further land in 1967. Then consider why Palestinians have refused numerous offers to create their own state since. Like I say, complicated. dont know everything about the confluct but do know before the europeans rocked up in the late 40s arabs and jews pretty much got along ok in that part of the world, and there is no difference in occupying someones land, its either wrong for anyone to do it or its not wrong and we should stop supporting ukraine if we not gona support others who have been occupied, or is it only wrong if it happens to white europeans? OK so let's talk about occupied lands. What's your position on USA, Australia, Canada, New Zealand. What about England? Any chance the Welsh can have it back?if they want it back yea, also think the scottish should be allowed another vote on independence, no one has the right to take other peoples land, id say ukraine should also give the land back that belongs to romania and poland, as for the usa i def think native americans should have a lot bigger say about what goes on in THERE country When you say other people's land, how far in the history are we allowed to go to find the real owners of the land? Israel are actively taking land in the present day. We could start there maybe. That's a fair take. But then that applies to Russia too. The difference being that Ukrainians are fighting the Russian army while Hamas have been targeting civilians for while. Ukraine's goal is to get its own territory back while Hamas wants to wipe out Israel, which is why it's difficult to pick a side in Israel Palestine conflict, unlike Ukraine issue." The only side to take, is the side of not killing people, and not taking other people's land and homes. | |||
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"Quick question, everyone agrees ukraine have a right to defend there land against russia and do whatever it takes to push russia out of there borders, wats the difference here? Isreal are occupying palastinian land so how comes there not allowed to do whatever it takes to take there land back? Even the un agree isreal are illegally occupying that land It's complicated. The Palestinians have had many opportunities to create their own state. Always hard-liners refuse and instead want to eliminate Israel completely. We all know that isn't going to happen, and so the tit-for-tat circle of violence goes on. There are wrongs and transgressions on both sides. dosent answer the question of why we in the west cheer ukraine on taking there land back but expect the Palestinians to do nothing about the land thats been occupied by there neighbours dont get me wrong im not siding with palestinians i think there just as fucking nuts as isreal, just think the west are being hypocritical backing one country taking there land back and condeming others trying to do the same, either same backing for everone in that situation or no backing for anyone I don't think we do take sides. There is a lot of support for Palestine in the West, and much condemnation of Israel. we dont take sides hahaha most of the west are arming ukraine to the teeth with our taxes yet not one of them have condemed the isreali goverment for taking land that dosent belong to them let alone put sactions on them,so yes our goverments do take sides, i just cant see what the difference is if you take land that dosent belong to you your either in the wrong or you aint, cant be one rule for one lot of people and another rule for another lot who have done the same thing If you can't see the difference then maybe you should read-up on why the state of Israel was created in the first place, and how Israel came to occupy further land in 1967. Then consider why Palestinians have refused numerous offers to create their own state since. Like I say, complicated. dont know everything about the confluct but do know before the europeans rocked up in the late 40s arabs and jews pretty much got along ok in that part of the world, and there is no difference in occupying someones land, its either wrong for anyone to do it or its not wrong and we should stop supporting ukraine if we not gona support others who have been occupied, or is it only wrong if it happens to white europeans? OK so let's talk about occupied lands. What's your position on USA, Australia, Canada, New Zealand. What about England? Any chance the Welsh can have it back?if they want it back yea, also think the scottish should be allowed another vote on independence, no one has the right to take other peoples land, id say ukraine should also give the land back that belongs to romania and poland, as for the usa i def think native americans should have a lot bigger say about what goes on in THERE country When you say other people's land, how far in the history are we allowed to go to find the real owners of the land? Israel are actively taking land in the present day. We could start there maybe. That's a fair take. But then that applies to Russia too. The difference being that Ukrainians are fighting the Russian army while Hamas have been targeting civilians for while. Ukraine's goal is to get its own territory back while Hamas wants to wipe out Israel, which is why it's difficult to pick a side in Israel Palestine conflict, unlike Ukraine issue. The only side to take, is the side of not killing people, and not taking other people's land and homes." That rules out Palestine too. | |||
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"Quick question, everyone agrees ukraine have a right to defend there land against russia and do whatever it takes to push russia out of there borders, wats the difference here? Isreal are occupying palastinian land so how comes there not allowed to do whatever it takes to take there land back? Even the un agree isreal are illegally occupying that land It's complicated. The Palestinians have had many opportunities to create their own state. Always hard-liners refuse and instead want to eliminate Israel completely. We all know that isn't going to happen, and so the tit-for-tat circle of violence goes on. There are wrongs and transgressions on both sides. dosent answer the question of why we in the west cheer ukraine on taking there land back but expect the Palestinians to do nothing about the land thats been occupied by there neighbours dont get me wrong im not siding with palestinians i think there just as fucking nuts as isreal, just think the west are being hypocritical backing one country taking there land back and condeming others trying to do the same, either same backing for everone in that situation or no backing for anyone I don't think we do take sides. There is a lot of support for Palestine in the West, and much condemnation of Israel. we dont take sides hahaha most of the west are arming ukraine to the teeth with our taxes yet not one of them have condemed the isreali goverment for taking land that dosent belong to them let alone put sactions on them,so yes our goverments do take sides, i just cant see what the difference is if you take land that dosent belong to you your either in the wrong or you aint, cant be one rule for one lot of people and another rule for another lot who have done the same thing If you can't see the difference then maybe you should read-up on why the state of Israel was created in the first place, and how Israel came to occupy further land in 1967. Then consider why Palestinians have refused numerous offers to create their own state since. Like I say, complicated. dont know everything about the confluct but do know before the europeans rocked up in the late 40s arabs and jews pretty much got along ok in that part of the world, and there is no difference in occupying someones land, its either wrong for anyone to do it or its not wrong and we should stop supporting ukraine if we not gona support others who have been occupied, or is it only wrong if it happens to white europeans? " When you say “the Europeans rocked up” are you referring to the European Jews misplaced by the Nazis and those who managed to survive? Large parts of the Middle East became part pf the British Empire (Palestine, Jordan) and French Empire (Syria, Lebanon) after WWI and the collapse of the Ottoman Empire. | |||
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"Quick question, everyone agrees ukraine have a right to defend there land against russia and do whatever it takes to push russia out of there borders, wats the difference here? Isreal are occupying palastinian land so how comes there not allowed to do whatever it takes to take there land back? Even the un agree isreal are illegally occupying that land It's complicated. The Palestinians have had many opportunities to create their own state. Always hard-liners refuse and instead want to eliminate Israel completely. We all know that isn't going to happen, and so the tit-for-tat circle of violence goes on. There are wrongs and transgressions on both sides. dosent answer the question of why we in the west cheer ukraine on taking there land back but expect the Palestinians to do nothing about the land thats been occupied by there neighbours dont get me wrong im not siding with palestinians i think there just as fucking nuts as isreal, just think the west are being hypocritical backing one country taking there land back and condeming others trying to do the same, either same backing for everone in that situation or no backing for anyone I don't think we do take sides. There is a lot of support for Palestine in the West, and much condemnation of Israel. we dont take sides hahaha most of the west are arming ukraine to the teeth with our taxes yet not one of them have condemed the isreali goverment for taking land that dosent belong to them let alone put sactions on them,so yes our goverments do take sides, i just cant see what the difference is if you take land that dosent belong to you your either in the wrong or you aint, cant be one rule for one lot of people and another rule for another lot who have done the same thing If you can't see the difference then maybe you should read-up on why the state of Israel was created in the first place, and how Israel came to occupy further land in 1967. Then consider why Palestinians have refused numerous offers to create their own state since. Like I say, complicated. dont know everything about the confluct but do know before the europeans rocked up in the late 40s arabs and jews pretty much got along ok in that part of the world, and there is no difference in occupying someones land, its either wrong for anyone to do it or its not wrong and we should stop supporting ukraine if we not gona support others who have been occupied, or is it only wrong if it happens to white europeans? OK so let's talk about occupied lands. What's your position on USA, Australia, Canada, New Zealand. What about England? Any chance the Welsh can have it back?if they want it back yea, also think the scottish should be allowed another vote on independence, no one has the right to take other peoples land, id say ukraine should also give the land back that belongs to romania and poland, as for the usa i def think native americans should have a lot bigger say about what goes on in THERE country When you say other people's land, how far in the history are we allowed to go to find the real owners of the land? Israel are actively taking land in the present day. We could start there maybe. That's a fair take. But then that applies to Russia too. The difference being that Ukrainians are fighting the Russian army while Hamas have been targeting civilians for while. Ukraine's goal is to get its own territory back while Hamas wants to wipe out Israel, which is why it's difficult to pick a side in Israel Palestine conflict, unlike Ukraine issue. The only side to take, is the side of not killing people, and not taking other people's land and homes. That rules out Palestine too." No, it rules out Hamas. | |||
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"Quick question, everyone agrees ukraine have a right to defend there land against russia and do whatever it takes to push russia out of there borders, wats the difference here? Isreal are occupying palastinian land so how comes there not allowed to do whatever it takes to take there land back? Even the un agree isreal are illegally occupying that land It's complicated. The Palestinians have had many opportunities to create their own state. Always hard-liners refuse and instead want to eliminate Israel completely. We all know that isn't going to happen, and so the tit-for-tat circle of violence goes on. There are wrongs and transgressions on both sides. dosent answer the question of why we in the west cheer ukraine on taking there land back but expect the Palestinians to do nothing about the land thats been occupied by there neighbours dont get me wrong im not siding with palestinians i think there just as fucking nuts as isreal, just think the west are being hypocritical backing one country taking there land back and condeming others trying to do the same, either same backing for everone in that situation or no backing for anyone I don't think we do take sides. There is a lot of support for Palestine in the West, and much condemnation of Israel. we dont take sides hahaha most of the west are arming ukraine to the teeth with our taxes yet not one of them have condemed the isreali goverment for taking land that dosent belong to them let alone put sactions on them,so yes our goverments do take sides, i just cant see what the difference is if you take land that dosent belong to you your either in the wrong or you aint, cant be one rule for one lot of people and another rule for another lot who have done the same thing If you can't see the difference then maybe you should read-up on why the state of Israel was created in the first place, and how Israel came to occupy further land in 1967. Then consider why Palestinians have refused numerous offers to create their own state since. Like I say, complicated. dont know everything about the confluct but do know before the europeans rocked up in the late 40s arabs and jews pretty much got along ok in that part of the world, and there is no difference in occupying someones land, its either wrong for anyone to do it or its not wrong and we should stop supporting ukraine if we not gona support others who have been occupied, or is it only wrong if it happens to white europeans? When you say “the Europeans rocked up” are you referring to the European Jews misplaced by the Nazis and those who managed to survive? Large parts of the Middle East became part pf the British Empire (Palestine, Jordan) and French Empire (Syria, Lebanon) after WWI and the collapse of the Ottoman Empire." yep european jews, watched good documentry on channel four a few years back, were talking to old arab jews and old arab muslims who were there before 1947 and both sides were saying jews and muslims used to live side by side would even look after each others kids, that all changed within ten years | |||
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"I wonder if Iran are being enlisted in this show of strength against Israel by Russia to put more pressure on the USA given the chaos that’s going on in the senate over there. It would be in Russia’s interests to put pressure on Bidens budget by getting him to support Israel and who knows what the Saudi’s would do given their hatred of Iran! Disturbing times! Israel is perfectly capable of handling the situation. It is. But will Biden be able to resist jumping in to 'help out'?" He probably would. We have a huge Jewish population almost as big as Israel itself. | |||
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"Everyone says “It’s complicated” it isn’t really, it’s simple. Transpose the whole area to London & the Home Counties. In 1947 London was within the North & South circular roads. That was the border. Now they got all their “Stuff & Trade” through the M1, but they didn’t own the M1 & those that did didn’t like Londoners & shut the M1 to Londoners most notably in 1967. Which led to a war with the Home Counties lasting six days. if you look at the six day war London attacked first, no one physically entered the the borders of London, no one took their land or invaded London, they just took away access to one means of trade. So the war is won due in effect to London invading the Home Counties first, an uneasy peace follows & the M1 is opened to Londoners, but by & large the land taken from the Home Counties is not given back & not only is it not given back for the next fifty years London gradually take more either by force, or much like in medieval times by siege (Something that is again happening now according to the MSM. Laughable really because it’s been happening for decades without the MSM giving two shits until someone from the Home Counties says “Enough”. It’s now 2023 the map shows London’s border to be the M25, London has taken “Disputed” lands, continued “Ethnic cleansing” something you would of thought should be abhorrent to each & every Londoner considering their history? Weird how we must remember the 6m but turn a blind eye now? Also the lands are disputed by no one in the rest of the UK just London, everyone else sees them as the Home Counties. So having transposed the events to the UK who thinks attacks by the poorer Home Counties on London are justified & should London have just stuck within the confines of the North & South circular in the first place? According to MSM this morning “Hamas are continuing fierce fighting in Israel”. Which Israel? The 1947 Israel in which case everyone & his dog should be rooting for Israel or the newer post 1960’s expansionist Israel? In which case....... Maybe it’s finally time to reap what you sow. S" The ones that will reap what you sow will be the ordinary Palestinians. While Hamas hold a gun to their head and conduct a campaign of election fiddling,misogyny and throwing homosexuals off buildings. While growing fat on handouts that never seem to make it to the people on the street. They are about to get fucked over again. | |||
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" OK so let's talk about occupied lands. What's your position on USA, Australia, Canada, New Zealand. What about England? Any chance the Welsh can have it back?if they want it back yea, also think the scottish should be allowed another vote on independence, no one has the right to take other peoples land, id say ukraine should also give the land back that belongs to romania and poland, as for the usa i def think native americans should have a lot bigger say about what goes on in THERE country When you say other people's land, how far in the history are we allowed to go to find the real owners of the land? Israel are actively taking land in the present day. We could start there maybe. That's a fair take. But then that applies to Russia too. The difference being that Ukrainians are fighting the Russian army while Hamas have been targeting civilians for while. Ukraine's goal is to get its own territory back while Hamas wants to wipe out Israel, which is why it's difficult to pick a side in Israel Palestine conflict, unlike Ukraine issue. The only side to take, is the side of not killing people, and not taking other people's land and homes. That rules out Palestine too. No, it rules out Hamas." Do you believe that Palestinians do not support what Hamas is doing? Most polls showed they support Hamas. Most Palestine supporters all over the world actually celebrate, not just the attack in general. The videos of dead civilians being paraded are trending all over with messages of celebration. Even in London, a couple of years back, we had Palestinian supporters going on a convoy with loudspeakers, shouting "Fuck their mothers, r*pe their daughters". "We just want to have our territory and live peacefully" has stopped being an option for awhile. We have two groups of people who have decided they cannot coexist peacefully and want to destroy one another. | |||
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" We could start there maybe. That's a fair take. But then that applies to Russia too. The difference being that Ukrainians are fighting the Russian army while Hamas have been targeting civilians for while. Ukraine's goal is to get its own territory back while Hamas wants to wipe out Israel, which is why it's difficult to pick a side in Israel Palestine conflict, unlike Ukraine issue. Support a legitimate government or support a terrorist organisation..i mean doesn't sound too hard to me anyone trying to justify this with Israel what aboutisms, give your head a good shake" The state of Israel was started by armed Jewish groups attacking Arabs in the area and the British administration. They were classified has terrorists. The ANC in South Africa was a terrorist group but now a mainstream political party. There are other examples. Seems to be you only remain a terrorist group if you keep on loosing the fight. If you win and take control or gain a political voice its all forgotten. Your atrocities get renamed has fight for freedom and the victims conveniently forgotten. | |||
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"Everyone says “It’s complicated” it isn’t really, it’s simple. Transpose the whole area to London & the Home Counties. In 1947 London was within the North & South circular roads. That was the border. Now they got all their “Stuff & Trade” through the M1, but they didn’t own the M1 & those that did didn’t like Londoners & shut the M1 to Londoners most notably in 1967. Which led to a war with the Home Counties lasting six days. if you look at the six day war London attacked first, no one physically entered the the borders of London, no one took their land or invaded London, they just took away access to one means of trade. So the war is won due in effect to London invading the Home Counties first, an uneasy peace follows & the M1 is opened to Londoners, but by & large the land taken from the Home Counties is not given back & not only is it not given back for the next fifty years London gradually take more either by force, or much like in medieval times by siege (Something that is again happening now according to the MSM. Laughable really because it’s been happening for decades without the MSM giving two shits until someone from the Home Counties says “Enough”. It’s now 2023 the map shows London’s border to be the M25, London has taken “Disputed” lands, continued “Ethnic cleansing” something you would of thought should be abhorrent to each & every Londoner considering their history? Weird how we must remember the 6m but turn a blind eye now? Also the lands are disputed by no one in the rest of the UK just London, everyone else sees them as the Home Counties. So having transposed the events to the UK who thinks attacks by the poorer Home Counties on London are justified & should London have just stuck within the confines of the North & South circular in the first place? According to MSM this morning “Hamas are continuing fierce fighting in Israel”. Which Israel? The 1947 Israel in which case everyone & his dog should be rooting for Israel or the newer post 1960’s expansionist Israel? In which case....... Maybe it’s finally time to reap what you sow. S The ones that will reap what you sow will be the ordinary Palestinians. While Hamas hold a gun to their head and conduct a campaign of election fiddling,misogyny and throwing homosexuals off buildings. While growing fat on handouts that never seem to make it to the people on the street. They are about to get fucked over again. " Isn’t that always the way in any substantial war no matter who fights it? Someone somewhere dies while someone somewhere watches The zeros mount in their bank account? You really only have to look at Africa to see that aid gets used & abused by everyone. Years ago I was involved in shipping a 40ft container of aid to an African state. It went via another African state that has no such need of aid. The container disappeared for a week & was then delivered with breeze blocks in it. Handy if you need to build a house, not so much if you need to eat or farm land/build irrigation. The country where the container went missing is one of the richest in Africa with large oil deposits & a beautiful capital. What’s that saying about mans inhumanity to man? S | |||
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"Quick question, everyone agrees ukraine have a right to defend there land against russia and do whatever it takes to push russia out of there borders, wats the difference here? Isreal are occupying palastinian land so how comes there not allowed to do whatever it takes to take there land back? Even the un agree isreal are illegally occupying that land It's complicated. The Palestinians have had many opportunities to create their own state. Always hard-liners refuse and instead want to eliminate Israel completely. We all know that isn't going to happen, and so the tit-for-tat circle of violence goes on. There are wrongs and transgressions on both sides. dosent answer the question of why we in the west cheer ukraine on taking there land back but expect the Palestinians to do nothing about the land thats been occupied by there neighbours dont get me wrong im not siding with palestinians i think there just as fucking nuts as isreal, just think the west are being hypocritical backing one country taking there land back and condeming others trying to do the same, either same backing for everone in that situation or no backing for anyone I don't think we do take sides. There is a lot of support for Palestine in the West, and much condemnation of Israel. we dont take sides hahaha most of the west are arming ukraine to the teeth with our taxes yet not one of them have condemed the isreali goverment for taking land that dosent belong to them let alone put sactions on them,so yes our goverments do take sides, i just cant see what the difference is if you take land that dosent belong to you your either in the wrong or you aint, cant be one rule for one lot of people and another rule for another lot who have done the same thing If you can't see the difference then maybe you should read-up on why the state of Israel was created in the first place, and how Israel came to occupy further land in 1967. Then consider why Palestinians have refused numerous offers to create their own state since. Like I say, complicated. dont know everything about the confluct but do know before the europeans rocked up in the late 40s arabs and jews pretty much got along ok in that part of the world, and there is no difference in occupying someones land, its either wrong for anyone to do it or its not wrong and we should stop supporting ukraine if we not gona support others who have been occupied, or is it only wrong if it happens to white europeans? OK so let's talk about occupied lands. What's your position on USA, Australia, Canada, New Zealand. What about England? Any chance the Welsh can have it back?if they want it back yea, also think the scottish should be allowed another vote on independence, no one has the right to take other peoples land, id say ukraine should also give the land back that belongs to romania and poland, as for the usa i def think native americans should have a lot bigger say about what goes on in THERE country When you say other people's land, how far in the history are we allowed to go to find the real owners of the land? " How far back did the Jews want to go back when they wanted the West to create a Jewish state in Palestine for them..? | |||
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"Everyone says “It’s complicated” it isn’t really, it’s simple. Transpose the whole area to London & the Home Counties. In 1947 London was within the North & South circular roads. That was the border. Now they got all their “Stuff & Trade” through the M1, but they didn’t own the M1 & those that did didn’t like Londoners & shut the M1 to Londoners most notably in 1967. Which led to a war with the Home Counties lasting six days. if you look at the six day war London attacked first, no one physically entered the the borders of London, no one took their land or invaded London, they just took away access to one means of trade. So the war is won due in effect to London invading the Home Counties first, an uneasy peace follows & the M1 is opened to Londoners, but by & large the land taken from the Home Counties is not given back & not only is it not given back for the next fifty years London gradually take more either by force, or much like in medieval times by siege (Something that is again happening now according to the MSM. Laughable really because it’s been happening for decades without the MSM giving two shits until someone from the Home Counties says “Enough”. It’s now 2023 the map shows London’s border to be the M25, London has taken “Disputed” lands, continued “Ethnic cleansing” something you would of thought should be abhorrent to each & every Londoner considering their history? Weird how we must remember the 6m but turn a blind eye now? Also the lands are disputed by no one in the rest of the UK just London, everyone else sees them as the Home Counties. So having transposed the events to the UK who thinks attacks by the poorer Home Counties on London are justified & should London have just stuck within the confines of the North & South circular in the first place? According to MSM this morning “Hamas are continuing fierce fighting in Israel”. Which Israel? The 1947 Israel in which case everyone & his dog should be rooting for Israel or the newer post 1960’s expansionist Israel? In which case....... Maybe it’s finally time to reap what you sow. S The ones that will reap what you sow will be the ordinary Palestinians. While Hamas hold a gun to their head and conduct a campaign of election fiddling,misogyny and throwing homosexuals off buildings. While growing fat on handouts that never seem to make it to the people on the street. They are about to get fucked over again. Isn’t that always the way in any substantial war no matter who fights it? Someone somewhere dies while someone somewhere watches The zeros mount in their bank account? You really only have to look at Africa to see that aid gets used & abused by everyone. Years ago I was involved in shipping a 40ft container of aid to an African state. It went via another African state that has no such need of aid. The container disappeared for a week & was then delivered with breeze blocks in it. Handy if you need to build a house, not so much if you need to eat or farm land/build irrigation. The country where the container went missing is one of the richest in Africa with large oil deposits & a beautiful capital. What’s that saying about mans inhumanity to man? S" It says in 2023 we are still fucked  | |||
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" We could start there maybe. That's a fair take. But then that applies to Russia too. The difference being that Ukrainians are fighting the Russian army while Hamas have been targeting civilians for while. Ukraine's goal is to get its own territory back while Hamas wants to wipe out Israel, which is why it's difficult to pick a side in Israel Palestine conflict, unlike Ukraine issue. Support a legitimate government or support a terrorist organisation..i mean doesn't sound too hard to me anyone trying to justify this with Israel what aboutisms, give your head a good shake The state of Israel was started by armed Jewish groups attacking Arabs in the area and the British administration. They were classified has terrorists. The ANC in South Africa was a terrorist group but now a mainstream political party. There are other examples. Seems to be you only remain a terrorist group if you keep on loosing the fight. If you win and take control or gain a political voice its all forgotten. Your atrocities get renamed has fight for freedom and the victims conveniently forgotten. "  | |||
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" When you say other people's land, how far in the history are we allowed to go to find the real owners of the land? How far back did the Jews want to go back when they wanted the West to create a Jewish state in Palestine for them..?" Which is exactly my point too. Most geopolitical issues are driven by argument that the ancestors of one group of people lived somewhere and another group of people lived in the same place from another time. There is no correct solution if you go that way. We can only hope that the conflicting groups resolve the issue amicably. | |||
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". "We just want to have our territory and live peacefully" has stopped being an option for awhile. We have two groups of people who have decided they cannot coexist peacefully and want to destroy one another. " Who says? So the population currently support Hamas, fair enough but “What If” The West somehow forced Israel to move back to within the borders set out in 1947. How many Palestinians do you think would still support Hamas? Also how many other countries would continue aid/funding to Hamas? Sure, They would still exist & be a political party but one with surely less of a mandate & much less of a bite. S | |||
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" When you say other people's land, how far in the history are we allowed to go to find the real owners of the land? How far back did the Jews want to go back when they wanted the West to create a Jewish state in Palestine for them..? Which is exactly my point too. Most geopolitical issues are driven by argument that the ancestors of one group of people lived somewhere and another group of people lived in the same place from another time. There is no correct solution if you go that way. We can only hope that the conflicting groups resolve the issue amicably. " But thats a actual precedent that has been set. We can argue about the rights and wrong of what the British did. But the fact the entertained the claims going back so long, is something other claimants will rightfully argue. In general law previous cases are always referred to in argumentative points. | |||
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". "We just want to have our territory and live peacefully" has stopped being an option for awhile. We have two groups of people who have decided they cannot coexist peacefully and want to destroy one another. Who says? So the population currently support Hamas, fair enough but “What If” The West somehow forced Israel to move back to within the borders set out in 1947. How many Palestinians do you think would still support Hamas? Also how many other countries would continue aid/funding to Hamas? Sure, They would still exist & be a political party but one with surely less of a mandate & much less of a bite. S" This is not the first time Hamas has targeted civilians. And they didn't see a reason to stop supporting Hamas. Not sure how this time will be different. | |||
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" When you say other people's land, how far in the history are we allowed to go to find the real owners of the land? How far back did the Jews want to go back when they wanted the West to create a Jewish state in Palestine for them..? Which is exactly my point too. Most geopolitical issues are driven by argument that the ancestors of one group of people lived somewhere and another group of people lived in the same place from another time. There is no correct solution if you go that way. We can only hope that the conflicting groups resolve the issue amicably. But thats a actual precedent that has been set. We can argue about the rights and wrong of what the British did. But the fact the entertained the claims going back so long, is something other claimants will rightfully argue. In general law previous cases are always referred to in argumentative points. " The concepts of general law and prior cases are mostly concepts of Western governance. When you take that to Geopolitical issues in other areas, no one will take it seriously. | |||
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"I think the majority of posters in this thread need to read up on the history of the region and its significance. " lol true. If London was attacked with rockets. Some people would blame londoners for the attack. | |||
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" OK so let's talk about occupied lands. What's your position on USA, Australia, Canada, New Zealand. What about England? Any chance the Welsh can have it back?if they want it back yea, also think the scottish should be allowed another vote on independence, no one has the right to take other peoples land, id say ukraine should also give the land back that belongs to romania and poland, as for the usa i def think native americans should have a lot bigger say about what goes on in THERE country When you say other people's land, how far in the history are we allowed to go to find the real owners of the land? Israel are actively taking land in the present day. We could start there maybe. That's a fair take. But then that applies to Russia too. The difference being that Ukrainians are fighting the Russian army while Hamas have been targeting civilians for while. Ukraine's goal is to get its own territory back while Hamas wants to wipe out Israel, which is why it's difficult to pick a side in Israel Palestine conflict, unlike Ukraine issue. The only side to take, is the side of not killing people, and not taking other people's land and homes. That rules out Palestine too. No, it rules out Hamas. Do you believe that Palestinians do not support what Hamas is doing? Most polls showed they support Hamas. Most Palestine supporters all over the world actually celebrate, not just the attack in general. The videos of dead civilians being paraded are trending all over with messages of celebration. Even in London, a couple of years back, we had Palestinian supporters going on a convoy with loudspeakers, shouting "Fuck their mothers, r*pe their daughters". "We just want to have our territory and live peacefully" has stopped being an option for awhile. We have two groups of people who have decided they cannot coexist peacefully and want to destroy one another. " The only thing you've post tells us is that you get your news and views from very right wing fringe news outlets. | |||
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" OK so let's talk about occupied lands. What's your position on USA, Australia, Canada, New Zealand. What about England? Any chance the Welsh can have it back?if they want it back yea, also think the scottish should be allowed another vote on independence, no one has the right to take other peoples land, id say ukraine should also give the land back that belongs to romania and poland, as for the usa i def think native americans should have a lot bigger say about what goes on in THERE country When you say other people's land, how far in the history are we allowed to go to find the real owners of the land? Israel are actively taking land in the present day. We could start there maybe. That's a fair take. But then that applies to Russia too. The difference being that Ukrainians are fighting the Russian army while Hamas have been targeting civilians for while. Ukraine's goal is to get its own territory back while Hamas wants to wipe out Israel, which is why it's difficult to pick a side in Israel Palestine conflict, unlike Ukraine issue. The only side to take, is the side of not killing people, and not taking other people's land and homes. That rules out Palestine too. No, it rules out Hamas. Do you believe that Palestinians do not support what Hamas is doing? Most polls showed they support Hamas. Most Palestine supporters all over the world actually celebrate, not just the attack in general. The videos of dead civilians being paraded are trending all over with messages of celebration. Even in London, a couple of years back, we had Palestinian supporters going on a convoy with loudspeakers, shouting "Fuck their mothers, r*pe their daughters". "We just want to have our territory and live peacefully" has stopped being an option for awhile. We have two groups of people who have decided they cannot coexist peacefully and want to destroy one another. The only thing you've post tells us is that you get your news and views from very right wing fringe news outlets. " Has his post not happened then? | |||
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" OK so let's talk about occupied lands. What's your position on USA, Australia, Canada, New Zealand. What about England? Any chance the Welsh can have it back?if they want it back yea, also think the scottish should be allowed another vote on independence, no one has the right to take other peoples land, id say ukraine should also give the land back that belongs to romania and poland, as for the usa i def think native americans should have a lot bigger say about what goes on in THERE country When you say other people's land, how far in the history are we allowed to go to find the real owners of the land? Israel are actively taking land in the present day. We could start there maybe. That's a fair take. But then that applies to Russia too. The difference being that Ukrainians are fighting the Russian army while Hamas have been targeting civilians for while. Ukraine's goal is to get its own territory back while Hamas wants to wipe out Israel, which is why it's difficult to pick a side in Israel Palestine conflict, unlike Ukraine issue. The only side to take, is the side of not killing people, and not taking other people's land and homes. That rules out Palestine too. No, it rules out Hamas. Do you believe that Palestinians do not support what Hamas is doing? Most polls showed they support Hamas. Most Palestine supporters all over the world actually celebrate, not just the attack in general. The videos of dead civilians being paraded are trending all over with messages of celebration. Even in London, a couple of years back, we had Palestinian supporters going on a convoy with loudspeakers, shouting "Fuck their mothers, r*pe their daughters". "We just want to have our territory and live peacefully" has stopped being an option for awhile. We have two groups of people who have decided they cannot coexist peacefully and want to destroy one another. The only thing you've post tells us is that you get your news and views from very right wing fringe news outlets. Has his post not happened then? " "Most Palestine supporters all over the world actually celebrate, not just the attack in general" Nope. | |||
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" OK so let's talk about occupied lands. What's your position on USA, Australia, Canada, New Zealand. What about England? Any chance the Welsh can have it back?if they want it back yea, also think the scottish should be allowed another vote on independence, no one has the right to take other peoples land, id say ukraine should also give the land back that belongs to romania and poland, as for the usa i def think native americans should have a lot bigger say about what goes on in THERE country When you say other people's land, how far in the history are we allowed to go to find the real owners of the land? Israel are actively taking land in the present day. We could start there maybe. That's a fair take. But then that applies to Russia too. The difference being that Ukrainians are fighting the Russian army while Hamas have been targeting civilians for while. Ukraine's goal is to get its own territory back while Hamas wants to wipe out Israel, which is why it's difficult to pick a side in Israel Palestine conflict, unlike Ukraine issue. The only side to take, is the side of not killing people, and not taking other people's land and homes. That rules out Palestine too. No, it rules out Hamas. Do you believe that Palestinians do not support what Hamas is doing? Most polls showed they support Hamas. Most Palestine supporters all over the world actually celebrate, not just the attack in general. The videos of dead civilians being paraded are trending all over with messages of celebration. Even in London, a couple of years back, we had Palestinian supporters going on a convoy with loudspeakers, shouting "Fuck their mothers, r*pe their daughters". "We just want to have our territory and live peacefully" has stopped being an option for awhile. We have two groups of people who have decided they cannot coexist peacefully and want to destroy one another. The only thing you've post tells us is that you get your news and views from very right wing fringe news outlets. Has his post not happened then? "Most Palestine supporters all over the world actually celebrate, not just the attack in general" Nope." I suppose most would be hard to quantify indeed and I take your point. It just seems a lot of of unnecessary attacking the posters rather than the post at the moment on here. I am sure you are all too aware being the victim yourself But I have seen an awful lot celebrating the murdering of innocent people. I strangely never see people come out and celebrate dead Gaza innocents. | |||
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" OK so let's talk about occupied lands. What's your position on USA, Australia, Canada, New Zealand. What about England? Any chance the Welsh can have it back?if they want it back yea, also think the scottish should be allowed another vote on independence, no one has the right to take other peoples land, id say ukraine should also give the land back that belongs to romania and poland, as for the usa i def think native americans should have a lot bigger say about what goes on in THERE country When you say other people's land, how far in the history are we allowed to go to find the real owners of the land? Israel are actively taking land in the present day. We could start there maybe. That's a fair take. But then that applies to Russia too. The difference being that Ukrainians are fighting the Russian army while Hamas have been targeting civilians for while. Ukraine's goal is to get its own territory back while Hamas wants to wipe out Israel, which is why it's difficult to pick a side in Israel Palestine conflict, unlike Ukraine issue. The only side to take, is the side of not killing people, and not taking other people's land and homes. That rules out Palestine too. No, it rules out Hamas. Do you believe that Palestinians do not support what Hamas is doing? Most polls showed they support Hamas. Most Palestine supporters all over the world actually celebrate, not just the attack in general. The videos of dead civilians being paraded are trending all over with messages of celebration. Even in London, a couple of years back, we had Palestinian supporters going on a convoy with loudspeakers, shouting "Fuck their mothers, r*pe their daughters". "We just want to have our territory and live peacefully" has stopped being an option for awhile. We have two groups of people who have decided they cannot coexist peacefully and want to destroy one another. The only thing you've post tells us is that you get your news and views from very right wing fringe news outlets. Has his post not happened then? "Most Palestine supporters all over the world actually celebrate, not just the attack in general" Nope. I suppose most would be hard to quantify indeed and I take your point. It just seems a lot of of unnecessary attacking the posters rather than the post at the moment on here. I am sure you are all too aware being the victim yourself But I have seen an awful lot celebrating the murdering of innocent people. I strangely never see people come out and celebrate dead Gaza innocents. " Celebrating the murder of the Israeli people is abhorrent behaviour. There are people who celebrate the deaths of Palestinians as well. There was one who used to contribute to the forum. Equally abhorrent | |||
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"So if Israel withdrew from these places back to the original 1947 borders, would that bring peace? Would there be no reason for conflict. I am personally not sure it would as some like Iran want Israel wiped out completely but maybe they would be happy with returning to pre defined borders" This land is holy and worshiped, from this position, in short no it wouldn't. There is no peace for this area, as long we have opposing religious doctrines. As I mentioned in a post a little up from here, the history and significance of this land is lost on the many who have posted. | |||
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" When you say other people's land, how far in the history are we allowed to go to find the real owners of the land? How far back did the Jews want to go back when they wanted the West to create a Jewish state in Palestine for them..? Which is exactly my point too. Most geopolitical issues are driven by argument that the ancestors of one group of people lived somewhere and another group of people lived in the same place from another time. There is no correct solution if you go that way. We can only hope that the conflicting groups resolve the issue amicably. But thats a actual precedent that has been set. We can argue about the rights and wrong of what the British did. But the fact the entertained the claims going back so long, is something other claimants will rightfully argue. In general law previous cases are always referred to in argumentative points. The concepts of general law and prior cases are mostly concepts of Western governance. When you take that to Geopolitical issues in other areas, no one will take it seriously." True, but they took seriously one groups claim to a land they left 2000 earlier. A bit of a long time to leave your gaffe and come back and say its mine. | |||
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" No, it rules out Hamas. Do you believe that Palestinians do not support what Hamas is doing? Most polls showed they support Hamas. Most Palestine supporters all over the world actually celebrate, not just the attack in general. The videos of dead civilians being paraded are trending all over with messages of celebration. Even in London, a couple of years back, we had Palestinian supporters going on a convoy with loudspeakers, shouting "Fuck their mothers, r*pe their daughters". "We just want to have our territory and live peacefully" has stopped being an option for awhile. We have two groups of people who have decided they cannot coexist peacefully and want to destroy one another. The only thing you've post tells us is that you get your news and views from very right wing fringe news outlets. " Not surprised with that kind of reply, to be honest. Isn't that the usual fallback when some of the left wingers don't have an argument? | |||
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" No, it rules out Hamas. Do you believe that Palestinians do not support what Hamas is doing? Most polls showed they support Hamas. Most Palestine supporters all over the world actually celebrate, not just the attack in general. The videos of dead civilians being paraded are trending all over with messages of celebration. Even in London, a couple of years back, we had Palestinian supporters going on a convoy with loudspeakers, shouting "Fuck their mothers, r*pe their daughters". "We just want to have our territory and live peacefully" has stopped being an option for awhile. We have two groups of people who have decided they cannot coexist peacefully and want to destroy one another. The only thing you've post tells us is that you get your news and views from very right wing fringe news outlets. Not surprised with that kind of reply, to be honest. Isn't that the usual fallback when some of the left wingers don't have an argument?" There was no coherent argument to reply to. Just lots of emotive language. | |||
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"So if Israel withdrew from these places back to the original 1947 borders, would that bring peace? Would there be no reason for conflict. I am personally not sure it would as some like Iran want Israel wiped out completely but maybe they would be happy with returning to pre defined borders This land is holy and worshiped, from this position, in short no it wouldn't. There is no peace for this area, as long we have opposing religious doctrines. As I mentioned in a post a little up from here, the history and significance of this land is lost on the many who have posted. " This war is about land, not religion. Peace can return with a one state solution similar to a lebanese style government where the prime minister must be of a certain faith and the president must be of a certain faith | |||
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" No, it rules out Hamas. Do you believe that Palestinians do not support what Hamas is doing? Most polls showed they support Hamas. Most Palestine supporters all over the world actually celebrate, not just the attack in general. The videos of dead civilians being paraded are trending all over with messages of celebration. Even in London, a couple of years back, we had Palestinian supporters going on a convoy with loudspeakers, shouting "Fuck their mothers, r*pe their daughters". "We just want to have our territory and live peacefully" has stopped being an option for awhile. We have two groups of people who have decided they cannot coexist peacefully and want to destroy one another. The only thing you've post tells us is that you get your news and views from very right wing fringe news outlets. Not surprised with that kind of reply, to be honest. Isn't that the usual fallback when some of the left wingers don't have an argument? There was no coherent argument to reply to. Just lots of emotive language. " You made a statement that the Palestinians don't support Hamas. Did you support that with any statistics or did you go by... left wing fringe views? There have been polls that show that Hamas has majority support, even though they have attacked civilians multiple times in the past. There is no reason why they would be against Hamas this time out of sympathy for Israeli people. If you see the celebrations we are seeing in Europe and other Arab countries, it only reinforces the point. | |||
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"So if Israel withdrew from these places back to the original 1947 borders, would that bring peace? Would there be no reason for conflict. I am personally not sure it would as some like Iran want Israel wiped out completely but maybe they would be happy with returning to pre defined borders This land is holy and worshiped, from this position, in short no it wouldn't. There is no peace for this area, as long we have opposing religious doctrines. As I mentioned in a post a little up from here, the history and significance of this land is lost on the many who have posted. This war is about land, not religion. Peace can return with a one state solution similar to a lebanese style government where the prime minister must be of a certain faith and the president must be of a certain faith" This is a very confused response. | |||
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"So if Israel withdrew from these places back to the original 1947 borders, would that bring peace? Would there be no reason for conflict. I am personally not sure it would as some like Iran want Israel wiped out completely but maybe they would be happy with returning to pre defined borders This land is holy and worshiped, from this position, in short no it wouldn't. There is no peace for this area, as long we have opposing religious doctrines. As I mentioned in a post a little up from here, the history and significance of this land is lost on the many who have posted. This war is about land, not religion. Peace can return with a one state solution similar to a lebanese style government where the prime minister must be of a certain faith and the president must be of a certain faith" It's a lot about religion. Israel was created as a state for Jews, and it's very existence remains challenged by many Muslims. Add-in Christianity and the Middle East has bestowed on us the 3 most toxic forms of hocus pocus imaginable. We in Europe should go back to the beliefs of our forebears and worship the sun, moon and nature's fertility. Is that any less credible than some God in the sky? | |||
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"So if Israel withdrew from these places back to the original 1947 borders, would that bring peace? Would there be no reason for conflict. I am personally not sure it would as some like Iran want Israel wiped out completely but maybe they would be happy with returning to pre defined borders This land is holy and worshiped, from this position, in short no it wouldn't. There is no peace for this area, as long we have opposing religious doctrines. As I mentioned in a post a little up from here, the history and significance of this land is lost on the many who have posted. This war is about land, not religion. Peace can return with a one state solution similar to a lebanese style government where the prime minister must be of a certain faith and the president must be of a certain faith This is a very confused response. " How is my response confused? 1 country 1 Government Regular elections Quite simple really | |||
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"So if Israel withdrew from these places back to the original 1947 borders, would that bring peace? Would there be no reason for conflict. I am personally not sure it would as some like Iran want Israel wiped out completely but maybe they would be happy with returning to pre defined borders This land is holy and worshiped, from this position, in short no it wouldn't. There is no peace for this area, as long we have opposing religious doctrines. As I mentioned in a post a little up from here, the history and significance of this land is lost on the many who have posted. This war is about land, not religion. Peace can return with a one state solution similar to a lebanese style government where the prime minister must be of a certain faith and the president must be of a certain faith This is a very confused response. How is my response confused? 1 country 1 Government Regular elections Quite simple really" Quite | |||
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" No, it rules out Hamas. Do you believe that Palestinians do not support what Hamas is doing? Most polls showed they support Hamas. Most Palestine supporters all over the world actually celebrate, not just the attack in general. The videos of dead civilians being paraded are trending all over with messages of celebration. Even in London, a couple of years back, we had Palestinian supporters going on a convoy with loudspeakers, shouting "Fuck their mothers, r*pe their daughters". "We just want to have our territory and live peacefully" has stopped being an option for awhile. We have two groups of people who have decided they cannot coexist peacefully and want to destroy one another. The only thing you've post tells us is that you get your news and views from very right wing fringe news outlets. Not surprised with that kind of reply, to be honest. Isn't that the usual fallback when some of the left wingers don't have an argument? There was no coherent argument to reply to. Just lots of emotive language. You made a statement that the Palestinians don't support Hamas. " Nope. I made the point that being Palestinian doesn't automatically make them Hamas supports. There is a lot of division within Palestine, on whom people do and don't support. " Did you support that with any statistics or did you go by... " Nope because that wasn't the point I made. " left wing fringe views? There have been polls that show that Hamas has majority support, even though they have attacked civilians multiple times in the past. " Unless you can direct me to these "polls" and the details of what was ask. It sounds like rhubarb. " There is no reason why they would be against Hamas this time out of sympathy for Israeli people. If you see the celebrations we are seeing in Europe and other Arab countries, it only reinforces the point." Not sure what this last section is getting at. | |||
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"So if Israel withdrew from these places back to the original 1947 borders, would that bring peace? Would there be no reason for conflict. I am personally not sure it would as some like Iran want Israel wiped out completely but maybe they would be happy with returning to pre defined borders This land is holy and worshiped, from this position, in short no it wouldn't. There is no peace for this area, as long we have opposing religious doctrines. As I mentioned in a post a little up from here, the history and significance of this land is lost on the many who have posted. " That's very much my fear as it seems even if Israel withdrew to the original borders then they still would not be safe from those who wish to wipe them out | |||
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"So if Israel withdrew from these places back to the original 1947 borders, would that bring peace? Would there be no reason for conflict. I am personally not sure it would as some like Iran want Israel wiped out completely but maybe they would be happy with returning to pre defined borders This land is holy and worshiped, from this position, in short no it wouldn't. There is no peace for this area, as long we have opposing religious doctrines. As I mentioned in a post a little up from here, the history and significance of this land is lost on the many who have posted. That's very much my fear as it seems even if Israel withdrew to the original borders then they still would not be safe from those who wish to wipe them out" In this scenario, would Palestinian people be safe from Israel? | |||
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"So if Israel withdrew from these places back to the original 1947 borders, would that bring peace? Would there be no reason for conflict. I am personally not sure it would as some like Iran want Israel wiped out completely but maybe they would be happy with returning to pre defined borders This land is holy and worshiped, from this position, in short no it wouldn't. There is no peace for this area, as long we have opposing religious doctrines. As I mentioned in a post a little up from here, the history and significance of this land is lost on the many who have posted. That's very much my fear as it seems even if Israel withdrew to the original borders then they still would not be safe from those who wish to wipe them out" To me though it would then be a “Different” conflict, more of the West (Including me) would support Israel defending its border & arguably fewer in the East would be prepared to help fund a Palestinian attack if Palestinians where able to live peacefully. Religion only gets you so far, then you need money. Even the crusades had years of hiatus mainly due to funding being required elsewhere. S | |||
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"So if Israel withdrew from these places back to the original 1947 borders, would that bring peace? Would there be no reason for conflict. I am personally not sure it would as some like Iran want Israel wiped out completely but maybe they would be happy with returning to pre defined borders This land is holy and worshiped, from this position, in short no it wouldn't. There is no peace for this area, as long we have opposing religious doctrines. As I mentioned in a post a little up from here, the history and significance of this land is lost on the many who have posted. That's very much my fear as it seems even if Israel withdrew to the original borders then they still would not be safe from those who wish to wipe them out In this scenario, would Palestinian people be safe from Israel?" Very much assumption on my part but if Israel were inside the original border and no one was attacking them or planning to attack them, then I don't see why Palestinians or anyone else would not be safe. If however they continue to attack Israel then they probably are not safe. As I say very much an assumption | |||
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" Nope. I made the point that being Palestinian doesn't automatically make them Hamas supports. There is a lot of division within Palestine, on whom people do and don't support. " This was the conversation: You: The only side to take, is the side of not killing people, and not taking other people's land and homes. Me: That rules out Palestine too. You: No, it rules out Hamas. If you are saying that Palestinians can be held responsible only if 100% of them support Hamas, then the same argument can be had for Israel too. " Unless you can direct me to these "polls" and the details of what was ask. It sounds like rhubarb. " This was in 2021 apnews[dot]com/article/hamas-middle-east-science-32095d8e1323fc1cad819c34da08fd87 Recent polls: pcpsr[dot]org/en/node/938 What next? These polls cannot be trusted? " Not sure what this last section is getting at." Many Palestinians all over the world celebrated what Hamas did. Given the polls in favour of Hamas, it only reinforces the support Palestinians have for Hamas. | |||
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" Nope. I made the point that being Palestinian doesn't automatically make them Hamas supports. There is a lot of division within Palestine, on whom people do and don't support. This was the conversation: You: The only side to take, is the side of not killing people, and not taking other people's land and homes. Me: That rules out Palestine too. You: No, it rules out Hamas. If you are saying that Palestinians can be held responsible only if 100% of them support Hamas, then the same argument can be had for Israel too. Unless you can direct me to these "polls" and the details of what was ask. It sounds like rhubarb. This was in 2021 apnews[dot]com/article/hamas-middle-east-science-32095d8e1323fc1cad819c34da08fd87 Recent polls: pcpsr[dot]org/en/node/938 What next? These polls cannot be trusted? Not sure what this last section is getting at. Many Palestinians all over the world celebrated what Hamas did. Given the polls in favour of Hamas, it only reinforces the support Palestinians have for Hamas." I'm honestly not sure what you're arguing. Nowhere does it say all Palestinians support the recent killings. When you say "If you are saying that Palestinians can be held responsible only if 100% of them support Hamas, then the same argument can be had for Israel too." If course Palestinians can be held responsible only if they all support Hamas. What kind of maniac would condemn the Palestinians that don't support Hamas? And yes, of course the same is true of Israelis. | |||
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" Nope. I made the point that being Palestinian doesn't automatically make them Hamas supports. There is a lot of division within Palestine, on whom people do and don't support. This was the conversation: You: The only side to take, is the side of not killing people, and not taking other people's land and homes. Me: That rules out Palestine too. You: No, it rules out Hamas. If you are saying that Palestinians can be held responsible only if 100% of them support Hamas, then the same argument can be had for Israel too. Unless you can direct me to these "polls" and the details of what was ask. It sounds like rhubarb. This was in 2021 apnews[dot]com/article/hamas-middle-east-science-32095d8e1323fc1cad819c34da08fd87 Recent polls: pcpsr[dot]org/en/node/938 What next? These polls cannot be trusted? Not sure what this last section is getting at. Many Palestinians all over the world celebrated what Hamas did. Given the polls in favour of Hamas, it only reinforces the support Palestinians have for Hamas. I'm honestly not sure what you're arguing. Nowhere does it say all Palestinians support the recent killings. When you say "If you are saying that Palestinians can be held responsible only if 100% of them support Hamas, then the same argument can be had for Israel too." If course Palestinians can be held responsible only if they all support Hamas. What kind of maniac would condemn the Palestinians that don't support Hamas? And yes, of course the same is true of Israelis. " So based on your statement of "The only side to take, is the side of not killing people, and not taking other people's land and homes", it's ok to take Israel's side too? | |||
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" Nope. I made the point that being Palestinian doesn't automatically make them Hamas supports. There is a lot of division within Palestine, on whom people do and don't support. This was the conversation: You: The only side to take, is the side of not killing people, and not taking other people's land and homes. Me: That rules out Palestine too. You: No, it rules out Hamas. If you are saying that Palestinians can be held responsible only if 100% of them support Hamas, then the same argument can be had for Israel too. Unless you can direct me to these "polls" and the details of what was ask. It sounds like rhubarb. This was in 2021 apnews[dot]com/article/hamas-middle-east-science-32095d8e1323fc1cad819c34da08fd87 Recent polls: pcpsr[dot]org/en/node/938 What next? These polls cannot be trusted? Not sure what this last section is getting at. Many Palestinians all over the world celebrated what Hamas did. Given the polls in favour of Hamas, it only reinforces the support Palestinians have for Hamas. I'm honestly not sure what you're arguing. Nowhere does it say all Palestinians support the recent killings. When you say "If you are saying that Palestinians can be held responsible only if 100% of them support Hamas, then the same argument can be had for Israel too." If course Palestinians can be held responsible only if they all support Hamas. What kind of maniac would condemn the Palestinians that don't support Hamas? And yes, of course the same is true of Israelis. So based on your statement of "The only side to take, is the side of not killing people, and not taking other people's land and homes", it's ok to take Israel's side too?" Of course. Why on earth wouldn't it be. | |||
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"What about the grannies abducted. The children. The literal babies that they have put in bird cages. This isn’t even mentioning the senseless massacre. The plight of the Palestinians ought to be sympathised. But their cause? To do so for that, you need to abandon all humanity. They are celebrating this event with pride in their hearts. The abduction of the young, women and elderly. The senseless violence. This is what they mean by Free Palestine. And of course, what else could it have meant all along" Israel killed 5 children today in the same blast… they were all siblings… they bombed a civilian apartment building… the remaining family members… what do you think they would want now? | |||
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"The irony of this attack can be attributed to Israel itself. It’s quite simple when you begin a process of colonialism against the wishes of those already there, the suppression of basic human rights upon the local population, the eviction and destruction of people’s homes, the restriction of basic movement of a population descent, frustration, anger, resentment grows and grows then add someone to stoke the fire and you get what happened over the weekend. That is a a factual result of a failed colonialism. BTW anyone guess what nation has been most active in colonialism throughout history? " I'm guessing but the French or British? | |||
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"Please read this. It’s scary how people aren’t seeing black from white here. https://www.tabletmag.com/sections/news/articles/israel-music-_estival-massacre-eyewitness-account" Everyone read this though. And of course, Palestinian children killed in airstrikes is a tragedy too, nobody denies that, but perversely and obviously it’s Hamas that is entirely responsible. | |||
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"Please read this. It’s scary how people aren’t seeing black from white here. https://www.tabletmag.com/sections/news/articles/israel-music-_estival-massacre-eyewitness-account Everyone read this though. And of course, Palestinian children killed in airstrikes is a tragedy too, nobody denies that, but perversely and obviously it’s Hamas that is entirely responsible. " Really, I thought it was 75 years of ethnic cleansing, as Palestinans are removed from there houses  | |||
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"Please read this. It’s scary how people aren’t seeing black from white here. https://www.tabletmag.com/sections/news/articles/israel-music-_estival-massacre-eyewitness-account Everyone read this though. And of course, Palestinian children killed in airstrikes is a tragedy too, nobody denies that, but perversely and obviously it’s Hamas that is entirely responsible. " So this justifies bombing a civilian apartment building.. so say the father survives… his 5 children are dead.. he then picks up arms against the Israeli army… is he a terrorist ? You have no idea… your biased to one side.. clearly that’s where your emotions lie | |||
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"Please read this. It’s scary how people aren’t seeing black from white here. https://www.tabletmag.com/sections/news/articles/israel-music-_estival-massacre-eyewitness-account Everyone read this though. And of course, Palestinian children killed in airstrikes is a tragedy too, nobody denies that, but perversely and obviously it’s Hamas that is entirely responsible. Really, I thought it was 75 years of ethnic cleansing, as Palestinans are removed from there houses "Being kicked out of your home and then fighting to get it back does not make you a terrorist | |||
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"Please read this. It’s scary how people aren’t seeing black from white here. https://www.tabletmag.com/sections/news/articles/israel-music-_estival-massacre-eyewitness-account Everyone read this though. And of course, Palestinian children killed in airstrikes is a tragedy too, nobody denies that, but perversely and obviously it’s Hamas that is entirely responsible. Really, I thought it was 75 years of ethnic cleansing, as Palestinans are removed from there houses
Being kicked out of your home and then fighting to get it back does not make you a terrorist"When you kill/k1dnap or parade bodies of people not involved in losing your home you are a terrorist. | |||
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"Please read this. It’s scary how people aren’t seeing black from white here. https://www.tabletmag.com/sections/news/articles/israel-music-_estival-massacre-eyewitness-account Everyone read this though. And of course, Palestinian children killed in airstrikes is a tragedy too, nobody denies that, but perversely and obviously it’s Hamas that is entirely responsible. Really, I thought it was 75 years of ethnic cleansing, as Palestinans are removed from there houses
Being kicked out of your home and then fighting to get it back does not make you a terrorist
When you kill/k1dnap or parade bodies of people not involved in losing your home you are a terrorist."If you deliberately shoot a child in the head or bomb a beach with kids playing football does that make you a terrorist or a bad shot? | |||
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"Please read this. It’s scary how people aren’t seeing black from white here. https://www.tabletmag.com/sections/news/articles/israel-music-_estival-massacre-eyewitness-account Everyone read this though. And of course, Palestinian children killed in airstrikes is a tragedy too, nobody denies that, but perversely and obviously it’s Hamas that is entirely responsible. Really, I thought it was 75 years of ethnic cleansing, as Palestinans are removed from there houses
Being kicked out of your home and then fighting to get it back does not make you a terrorist
When you kill/k1dnap or parade bodies of people not involved in losing your home you are a terrorist."When those people are living in your home that you were kicked out of, simply to make way for a new population based on your religion, and you’ve moved from all over the world to do this, are you innocent? Remember this? https://youtube.com/shorts/piIgkqPmI-w?si=6hkSunQxcQ00ubya | |||
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"Please read this. It’s scary how people aren’t seeing black from white here. https://www.tabletmag.com/sections/news/articles/israel-music-_estival-massacre-eyewitness-account Everyone read this though. And of course, Palestinian children killed in airstrikes is a tragedy too, nobody denies that, but perversely and obviously it’s Hamas that is entirely responsible. Really, I thought it was 75 years of ethnic cleansing, as Palestinans are removed from there houses
Being kicked out of your home and then fighting to get it back does not make you a terrorist
When you kill/k1dnap or parade bodies of people not involved in losing your home you are a terrorist.
When those people are living in your home that you were kicked out of, simply to make way for a new population based on your religion, and you’ve moved from all over the world to do this, are you innocent?
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"It’s such a complicated and emotive issue. Praying tonight for all the innocent people swept up in this violence. Saying anything political for or against Palestine or Israel isn’t going to stop the storm that’s coming. All Netanyahu needed was an excuse. He’s a violent thug and the last person who should be making decisions right now." Seems to be the thing at the moment. Lots of ‘strong men’ not enough diplomats | |||
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"Please read this. It’s scary how people aren’t seeing black from white here. https://www.tabletmag.com/sections/news/articles/israel-music-_estival-massacre-eyewitness-account Everyone read this though. And of course, Palestinian children killed in airstrikes is a tragedy too, nobody denies that, but perversely and obviously it’s Hamas that is entirely responsible. Really, I thought it was 75 years of ethnic cleansing, as Palestinans are removed from there houses
Being kicked out of your home and then fighting to get it back does not make you a terrorist
When you kill/k1dnap or parade bodies of people not involved in losing your home you are a terrorist."It speaks volumes how obvious this is and, given that, what it says about people who argue oppositely. Messed up world. | |||
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"It’s the kind of behaviour you’d expect from Tusken Raiders" So you have been vehemently arguing a very serious point about a terrible and frightening situation with potentially huge ramifications for the Middle East, with people losing their lives on both sides in awful circumstances and then you make a silly Star Wars comparison! You reduce it to a kids Sci Fi film reference? Strange  | |||
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"Please read this. It’s scary how people aren’t seeing black from white here. https://www.tabletmag.com/sections/news/articles/israel-music-_estival-massacre-eyewitness-account Everyone read this though. And of course, Palestinian children killed in airstrikes is a tragedy too, nobody denies that, but perversely and obviously it’s Hamas that is entirely responsible. Really, I thought it was 75 years of ethnic cleansing, as Palestinans are removed from there houses
Being kicked out of your home and then fighting to get it back does not make you a terrorist
When you kill/k1dnap or parade bodies of people not involved in losing your home you are a terrorist.
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"Its all out war now. America and UK will get directly involved and Iran. What a way to end 2023..will we see 2024?" The UK needs to stay out of it for once, Not our fight. We are the USA's 'greatest ally' when war breaks out, yet 'back of the queue' for a trade deal. If the government want to do one single thing to make us safer, then stop the dinghy invasion. | |||
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"This is the best chance Israel has to do is all a favour. Manhattan." Paris London New Zealand Russia USA Nigeria Kenya …. .. Experts say betweenn 1979 and May 2021, at least 48,035 Islamist terrorist attacks took place worldwide, causing the deaths of at least 210,138 people | |||
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"This is the best chance Israel has to do is all a favour. Manhattan. Paris London New Zealand Russia USA Nigeria Kenya …. .. Experts say betweenn 1979 and May 2021, at least 48,035 Islamist terrorist attacks took place worldwide, causing the deaths of at least 210,138 people " and in iraq alone the us and uk killed 1/2 million civillians, see theres arseholes on both sides | |||
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"The BS & false flag reporting has already started. The images yesterday on the BBC news of burnt out & abandoned cars supposedly of the _estival goers clearly included several that had literally been squashed flat. Anybody care to tell me how? S" Maybe the bulldozer that Hamas used to rip down fences? | |||
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"The BS & false flag reporting has already started. The images yesterday on the BBC news of burnt out & abandoned cars supposedly of the _estival goers clearly included several that had literally been squashed flat. Anybody care to tell me how? S Maybe the bulldozer that Hamas used to rip down fences?" Could be I haven’t seen footage of the initial escape. S | |||
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"I’m still shook and I’m nowhere near it all" You can see that sharing your fear for the people of Israel here is a pointless exercise. This thread is filled with comments from people who know next to nothing of the situation in front of us today or the history of the area, but here they have the freedom to write their opinion. Those opinions are going to be painful to you! I personally would look to discuss / share my pain in a place more accepting, not in a forum that often sees posters write that they are proud to not support their country and fellow citizens, or describe the country they live in as a bit of dirt. I wish you well. | |||
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"I’m still shook and I’m nowhere near it all You can see that sharing your fear for the people of Israel here is a pointless exercise. This thread is filled with comments from people who know next to nothing of the situation in front of us today or the history of the area, but here they have the freedom to write their opinion. Those opinions are going to be painful to you! I personally would look to discuss / share my pain in a place more accepting, not in a forum that often sees posters write that they are proud to not support their country and fellow citizens, or describe the country they live in as a bit of dirt. I wish you well. " You could say pretty much that about any conflict. UK - Ireland, Russia - Ukraine...... And what is the 'truth' of any situation anyway? We can't even agree on Brexit yet we all lived through it and understand it. | |||
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"This is the best chance Israel has to do is all a favour. Manhattan. Paris London New Zealand Russia USA Nigeria Kenya …. .. Experts say betweenn 1979 and May 2021, at least 48,035 Islamist terrorist attacks took place worldwide, causing the deaths of at least 210,138 people and in iraq alone the us and uk killed 1/2 million civillians, see theres arseholes on both sides" Those were brave heroes. The other lot are terrorists. Or are the other lot brave heroes and the first lot terrorists? | |||
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"It’s the kind of behaviour you’d expect from Tusken Raiders So you have been vehemently arguing a very serious point about a terrible and frightening situation with potentially huge ramifications for the Middle East, with people losing their lives on both sides in awful circumstances and then you make a silly Star Wars comparison! You reduce it to a kids Sci Fi film reference? Strange "The point is it’s medieval barbarism. They went on a m*rder-and-r*pe campaign, took captives and have now started beheading them!!! Where’s the common sense from you imbeciles. | |||
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"It’s the kind of behaviour you’d expect from Tusken Raiders So you have been vehemently arguing a very serious point about a terrible and frightening situation with potentially huge ramifications for the Middle East, with people losing their lives on both sides in awful circumstances and then you make a silly Star Wars comparison! You reduce it to a kids Sci Fi film reference? Strange
The point is it’s medieval barbarism. They went on a m*rder-and-r*pe campaign, took captives and have now started beheading them!!! Where’s the common sense from you imbeciles. "Is that more, or less barbaric than killing people via airstrike and drone attacks? | |||
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"I’m still shook and I’m nowhere near it all You can see that sharing your fear for the people of Israel here is a pointless exercise. This thread is filled with comments from people who know next to nothing of the situation in front of us today or the history of the area, but here they have the freedom to write their opinion. Those opinions are going to be painful to you! I personally would look to discuss / share my pain in a place more accepting, not in a forum that often sees posters write that they are proud to not support their country and fellow citizens, or describe the country they live in as a bit of dirt. I wish you well. " Yeah  it’s still scary to see though
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"It’s the kind of behaviour you’d expect from Tusken Raiders So you have been vehemently arguing a very serious point about a terrible and frightening situation with potentially huge ramifications for the Middle East, with people losing their lives on both sides in awful circumstances and then you make a silly Star Wars comparison! You reduce it to a kids Sci Fi film reference? Strange
The point is it’s medieval barbarism. They went on a m*rder-and-r*pe campaign, took captives and have now started beheading them!!! Where’s the common sense from you imbeciles. "Whoah there hold your horses. I totally agree with your outrage. What happened was/is disgusting and barbaric. But you reduced it in that post to a fatuous comparison with characters in a children's film! I think you need to take a pause before calling people imbeciles and consider what constitutes an appropriate set of comparisons! | |||
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The point is it’s medieval barbarism. They went on a m*rder-and-r*pe campaign, took captives and have now started beheading them!!! Where’s the common sense from you imbeciles.
Whoah there hold your horses. I totally agree with your outrage. What happened was/is disgusting and barbaric. But you reduced it in that post to a fatuous comparison with characters in a children's film! I think you need to take a pause before calling people imbeciles and consider what constitutes an appropriate set of comparisons!"I think it’s an apt comparison. Highlights the absurdity | |||
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"It’s the kind of behaviour you’d expect from Tusken Raiders So you have been vehemently arguing a very serious point about a terrible and frightening situation with potentially huge ramifications for the Middle East, with people losing their lives on both sides in awful circumstances and then you make a silly Star Wars comparison! You reduce it to a kids Sci Fi film reference? Strange
The point is it’s medieval barbarism. They went on a m*rder-and-r*pe campaign, took captives and have now started beheading them!!! Where’s the common sense from you imbeciles. "What you describe is medieval barbarism, but then so is herding people behind fences to live like domestic animals. Emotions are running high, but we must take care to treat the disease not the symptoms. | |||
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" Saying anything political for or against Palestine or Israel isn’t going to stop the storm that’s coming. All Netanyahu needed was an excuse. He’s a violent thug and the last person who should be making decisions right now." I’m still trying to figure out how they didn’t know it was coming? Unless of course they did & Netanyahu chose to let it happen knowing the lambs would bolster his position & open up Gaza to be obliterated once & for all. Which has let’s be fair always been his aim. The man is no more than the thug as you point out & should be nowhere near any position of power. S | |||
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"I’m still shook and I’m nowhere near it all You can see that sharing your fear for the people of Israel here is a pointless exercise. This thread is filled with comments from people who know next to nothing of the situation in front of us today or the history of the area, but here they have the freedom to write their opinion. Those opinions are going to be painful to you! I personally would look to discuss / share my pain in a place more accepting, not in a forum that often sees posters write that they are proud to not support their country and fellow citizens, or describe the country they live in as a bit of dirt. I wish you well. " | |||
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"It’s the kind of behaviour you’d expect from Tusken Raiders So you have been vehemently arguing a very serious point about a terrible and frightening situation with potentially huge ramifications for the Middle East, with people losing their lives on both sides in awful circumstances and then you make a silly Star Wars comparison! You reduce it to a kids Sci Fi film reference? Strange
The point is it’s medieval barbarism. They went on a m*rder-and-r*pe campaign, took captives and have now started beheading them!!! Where’s the common sense from you imbeciles.
Whoah there hold your horses. I totally agree with your outrage. What happened was/is disgusting and barbaric. But you reduced it in that post to a fatuous comparison with characters in a children's film! I think you need to take a pause before calling people imbeciles and consider what constitutes an appropriate set of comparisons!
I think it’s an apt comparison. Highlights the absurdity "I think it isn’t. I think it is a serious and horrendous situation with dire consequences for all the poor people on both sides that are being impacted by this and comparison to a silly children’s film is absurd and reductive. Yet you think that makes me an imbecile? | |||
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" Saying anything political for or against Palestine or Israel isn’t going to stop the storm that’s coming. All Netanyahu needed was an excuse. He’s a violent thug and the last person who should be making decisions right now. I’m still trying to figure out how they didn’t know it was coming? Unless of course they did & Netanyahu chose to let it happen knowing the lambs would bolster his position & open up Gaza to be obliterated once & for all. Which has let’s be fair always been his aim. The man is no more than the thug as you point out & should be nowhere near any position of power. S" I’d add that anyone who thinks that shortly after not knowing it was coming Israeli forces can hit “militant areas of Gaza in targeted attacks” is imo a putting it in not too subtle a term “A fcking idiot”. S | |||
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" Saying anything political for or against Palestine or Israel isn’t going to stop the storm that’s coming. All Netanyahu needed was an excuse. He’s a violent thug and the last person who should be making decisions right now. I’m still trying to figure out how they didn’t know it was coming? Unless of course they did & Netanyahu chose to let it happen knowing the lambs would bolster his position & open up Gaza to be obliterated once & for all. Which has let’s be fair always been his aim. The man is no more than the thug as you point out & should be nowhere near any position of power. S I’d add that anyone who thinks that shortly after not knowing it was coming Israeli forces can hit “militant areas of Gaza in targeted attacks” is imo a putting it in not too subtle a term “A fcking idiot”. S" Another confused post.. Do you really believe that Israel do not know where hamas have their tactical and strategical buildings? | |||
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"Its all out war now. America and UK will get directly involved and Iran. What a way to end 2023..will we see 2024? The UK needs to stay out of it for once, Not our fight. We are the USA's 'greatest ally' when war breaks out, yet 'back of the queue' for a trade deal. If the government want to do one single thing to make us safer, then stop the dinghy invasion." It's the UKs fault maybe your government shouldn't have promised lands to both sides just to open a southern front against the Turks. But here we are blame America. | |||
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"Its all out war now. America and UK will get directly involved and Iran. What a way to end 2023..will we see 2024? The UK needs to stay out of it for once, Not our fight. We are the USA's 'greatest ally' when war breaks out, yet 'back of the queue' for a trade deal. If the government want to do one single thing to make us safer, then stop the dinghy invasion. It's the UKs fault maybe your government shouldn't have promised lands to both sides just to open a southern front against the Turks. But here we are blame America." Well look, if you feel that strongly about Brit misdeeds of the past, how about you return your country to the native Americans? Or is it only certain historical events you don't like? | |||
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"Its all out war now. America and UK will get directly involved and Iran. What a way to end 2023..will we see 2024? The UK needs to stay out of it for once, Not our fight. We are the USA's 'greatest ally' when war breaks out, yet 'back of the queue' for a trade deal. If the government want to do one single thing to make us safer, then stop the dinghy invasion. It's the UKs fault maybe your government shouldn't have promised lands to both sides just to open a southern front against the Turks. But here we are blame America. Well look, if you feel that strongly about Brit misdeeds of the past, how about you return your country to the native Americans? Or is it only certain historical events you don't like? " It's another European caused debacle not ours . As far as I am concerned all I want is our American citizens back. Hence why the strike group is heading there. Palestine and Israel can just fight it out. If the European nations want to intervene have at it. | |||
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" Saying anything political for or against Palestine or Israel isn’t going to stop the storm that’s coming. All Netanyahu needed was an excuse. He’s a violent thug and the last person who should be making decisions right now. I’m still trying to figure out how they didn’t know it was coming? Unless of course they did & Netanyahu chose to let it happen knowing the lambs would bolster his position & open up Gaza to be obliterated once & for all. Which has let’s be fair always been his aim. The man is no more than the thug as you point out & should be nowhere near any position of power. S I’d add that anyone who thinks that shortly after not knowing it was coming Israeli forces can hit “militant areas of Gaza in targeted attacks” is imo a putting it in not too subtle a term “A fcking idiot”. S Another confused post.. Do you really believe that Israel do not know where hamas have their tactical and strategical buildings? " I would expect them to know yes, but if so I’d also have expected them to know an attack bigger than anything in the last fifty years is coming? You cannot say in one breath, “We know where all the baddies hang out” & in the next say “But we thought the increased activity was because of a chess tournament”. To me the two things come together. You either know where they are & ergo likely knew something big was going on or you don’t know where they are & you didn’t. The largest attack organised in secret for what must have been months from possibly the third largest (per capita) & best equipped & funded secret services in the world who only have to look at one place 95% of the time. S | |||
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" Saying anything political for or against Palestine or Israel isn’t going to stop the storm that’s coming. All Netanyahu needed was an excuse. He’s a violent thug and the last person who should be making decisions right now. I’m still trying to figure out how they didn’t know it was coming? Unless of course they did & Netanyahu chose to let it happen knowing the lambs would bolster his position & open up Gaza to be obliterated once & for all. Which has let’s be fair always been his aim. The man is no more than the thug as you point out & should be nowhere near any position of power. S I’d add that anyone who thinks that shortly after not knowing it was coming Israeli forces can hit “militant areas of Gaza in targeted attacks” is imo a putting it in not too subtle a term “A fcking idiot”. S Another confused post.. Do you really believe that Israel do not know where hamas have their tactical and strategical buildings? I would expect them to know yes, but if so I’d also have expected them to know an attack bigger than anything in the last fifty years is coming? You cannot say in one breath, “We know where all the baddies hang out” & in the next say “But we thought the increased activity was because of a chess tournament”. To me the two things come together. You either know where they are & ergo likely knew something big was going on or you don’t know where they are & you didn’t. The largest attack organised in secret for what must have been months from possibly the third largest (per capita) & best equipped & funded secret services in the world who only have to look at one place 95% of the time. S" I agree that security forces in Israel have been caught out, but that isn’t what you said. You questioned how prepared Israeli forces were, with the attacks being unknown and yet they managed to hit targets immediately. That is creating a false narrative of Israel government allowing the attack to happen. | |||
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" Saying anything political for or against Palestine or Israel isn’t going to stop the storm that’s coming. All Netanyahu needed was an excuse. He’s a violent thug and the last person who should be making decisions right now. I’m still trying to figure out how they didn’t know it was coming? Unless of course they did & Netanyahu chose to let it happen knowing the lambs would bolster his position & open up Gaza to be obliterated once & for all. Which has let’s be fair always been his aim. The man is no more than the thug as you point out & should be nowhere near any position of power. S I’d add that anyone who thinks that shortly after not knowing it was coming Israeli forces can hit “militant areas of Gaza in targeted attacks” is imo a putting it in not too subtle a term “A fcking idiot”. S Another confused post.. Do you really believe that Israel do not know where hamas have their tactical and strategical buildings? I would expect them to know yes, but if so I’d also have expected them to know an attack bigger than anything in the last fifty years is coming? You cannot say in one breath, “We know where all the baddies hang out” & in the next say “But we thought the increased activity was because of a chess tournament”. To me the two things come together. You either know where they are & ergo likely knew something big was going on or you don’t know where they are & you didn’t. The largest attack organised in secret for what must have been months from possibly the third largest (per capita) & best equipped & funded secret services in the world who only have to look at one place 95% of the time. S I agree that security forces in Israel have been caught out, but that isn’t what you said. You questioned how prepared Israeli forces were, with the attacks being unknown and yet they managed to hit targets immediately. That is creating a false narrative of Israel government allowing the attack to happen. " Who knows what’s fact or false in the area? We can each have a view & opinion. Yours is that the security forces were caught out. Mine considering their history & funding, & much more importantly the current political leader & Government is that they possibly were not. S | |||
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"Are we the only ones here who think recent events are quite fortuitous for the current leadership in Israel? It's been quite fractured with protests against the ultra-nationalist government as of late according to some media." Look elsewhere too, On the very day Biden is going to make a speech about Europe pulling its weight in the Ukraine & cutting down their financial assistance Putin launches the biggest missile strike of the war killing fifty odd people. Really? That Putin that probably knew what Biden was going to announce before he announced it is going to launch an attack likely to keep American assistance coming. I don’t think so somehow.....He’s mad not stupid! S | |||
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"Are we the only ones here who think recent events are quite fortuitous for the current leadership in Israel? It's been quite fractured with protests against the ultra-nationalist government as of late according to some media." Those Lockheed Martin shares needed a boost. | |||
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"Are we the only ones here who think recent events are quite fortuitous for the current leadership in Israel? It's been quite fractured with protests against the ultra-nationalist government as of late according to some media. Those Lockheed Martin shares needed a boost." Good for Lockheed then. | |||
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"Are we the only ones here who think recent events are quite fortuitous for the current leadership in Israel? It's been quite fractured with protests against the ultra-nationalist government as of late according to some media. Look elsewhere too, On the very day Biden is going to make a speech about Europe pulling its weight in the Ukraine & cutting down their financial assistance Putin launches the biggest missile strike of the war killing fifty odd people. Really? That Putin that probably knew what Biden was going to announce before he announced it is going to launch an attack likely to keep American assistance coming. I don’t think so somehow.....He’s mad not stupid! S" have watched the video of that missile strike on the cafe and i not even sure that was hit recentley, front line is 30 miles to the east and all the trees are still green when u watch the video everyones in winter clothes and all the trees are bare, looks more like winter, funnily enough wen it was supposed to of happend armyboy was in spain begging for money, bullshit coming from both sides | |||
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"Its all out war now. America and UK will get directly involved and Iran. What a way to end 2023..will we see 2024? The UK needs to stay out of it for once, Not our fight. We are the USA's 'greatest ally' when war breaks out, yet 'back of the queue' for a trade deal. If the government want to do one single thing to make us safer, then stop the dinghy invasion. It's the UKs fault maybe your government shouldn't have promised lands to both sides just to open a southern front against the Turks. But here we are blame America. Well look, if you feel that strongly about Brit misdeeds of the past, how about you return your country to the native Americans? Or is it only certain historical events you don't like? " Lol at least the Native Indians return of land claim would be a few hundred years old, unlike the Balfour declaration returning after thousands of years. But you don't want to do that. It would open a can of worms up. The Aborigines would want their land back, so would the Moaris. Where would all the settlers return to..? Europe, UK..? | |||
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"Its all out war now. America and UK will get directly involved and Iran. What a way to end 2023..will we see 2024? The UK needs to stay out of it for once, Not our fight. We are the USA's 'greatest ally' when war breaks out, yet 'back of the queue' for a trade deal. If the government want to do one single thing to make us safer, then stop the dinghy invasion. It's the UKs fault maybe your government shouldn't have promised lands to both sides just to open a southern front against the Turks. But here we are blame America. Well look, if you feel that strongly about Brit misdeeds of the past, how about you return your country to the native Americans? Or is it only certain historical events you don't like? It's another European caused debacle not ours . As far as I am concerned all I want is our American citizens back. Hence why the strike group is heading there. Palestine and Israel can just fight it out. If the European nations want to intervene have at it." Like the great Billy Joel said. We didn't start the fire. It was always burning since the worlds been turning.. | |||
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" Lol at least the Native Indians return of land claim would be a few hundred years old, unlike the Balfour declaration returning after thousands of years. But you don't want to do that. It would open a can of worms up. The Aborigines would want their land back, so would the Moaris. Where would all the settlers return to..? Europe, UK..?" All the settlers on boats would not be welcome back  | |||
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"Its all out war now. America and UK will get directly involved and Iran. What a way to end 2023..will we see 2024? The UK needs to stay out of it for once, Not our fight. We are the USA's 'greatest ally' when war breaks out, yet 'back of the queue' for a trade deal. If the government want to do one single thing to make us safer, then stop the dinghy invasion. It's the UKs fault maybe your government shouldn't have promised lands to both sides just to open a southern front against the Turks. But here we are blame America. Well look, if you feel that strongly about Brit misdeeds of the past, how about you return your country to the native Americans? Or is it only certain historical events you don't like? It's another European caused debacle not ours . As far as I am concerned all I want is our American citizens back. Hence why the strike group is heading there. Palestine and Israel can just fight it out. If the European nations want to intervene have at it. Like the great Billy Joel said. We didn't start the fire. It was always burning since the worlds been turning.. "Yup and Hamas is about to find out that if they don't return the American citizens. Gaza strip is going to be a war crime sandwich. | |||
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"Its all out war now. America and UK will get directly involved and Iran. What a way to end 2023..will we see 2024? The UK needs to stay out of it for once, Not our fight. We are the USA's 'greatest ally' when war breaks out, yet 'back of the queue' for a trade deal. If the government want to do one single thing to make us safer, then stop the dinghy invasion. It's the UKs fault maybe your government shouldn't have promised lands to both sides just to open a southern front against the Turks. But here we are blame America. Well look, if you feel that strongly about Brit misdeeds of the past, how about you return your country to the native Americans? Or is it only certain historical events you don't like? It's another European caused debacle not ours . As far as I am concerned all I want is our American citizens back. Hence why the strike group is heading there. Palestine and Israel can just fight it out. If the European nations want to intervene have at it. Like the great Billy Joel said. We didn't start the fire. It was always burning since the worlds been turning.. Yup and Hamas is about to find out that if they don't return the American citizens. Gaza strip is going to be a war crime sandwich."The thing is you see there is a mentality difference. You have things you cherish and therefore don’t want to loose. A man whose brother, sister in law, children,parents aunt uncles, cousins etc… have been killed, who has had his house bombed or give to someone else without recieving a penny or asked for his consent, I mean what does that person have left to loose. I would literally describe him as the walking dead, and someone who has nothing to loose can be dangerous person | |||
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"USA sending its largest aircraft carrier, five destroyers and a squadron of F35/F16 jets on way to east med. Netanyahu has called up 300,000 reservists. Gaza civilians will be paying a heavy price with what is coming, which will be a further catalyst for more terror attacks, and more refugees. Never ending cycle. " I don’t think the US carrier force is so much about hamas as such… it’s more a message for Iran not to get any more involved | |||
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"Its all out war now. America and UK will get directly involved and Iran. What a way to end 2023..will we see 2024? The UK needs to stay out of it for once, Not our fight. We are the USA's 'greatest ally' when war breaks out, yet 'back of the queue' for a trade deal. If the government want to do one single thing to make us safer, then stop the dinghy invasion. It's the UKs fault maybe your government shouldn't have promised lands to both sides just to open a southern front against the Turks. But here we are blame America. Well look, if you feel that strongly about Brit misdeeds of the past, how about you return your country to the native Americans? Or is it only certain historical events you don't like? It's another European caused debacle not ours . As far as I am concerned all I want is our American citizens back. Hence why the strike group is heading there. Palestine and Israel can just fight it out. If the European nations want to intervene have at it. Like the great Billy Joel said. We didn't start the fire. It was always burning since the worlds been turning.. Yup and Hamas is about to find out that if they don't return the American citizens. Gaza strip is going to be a war crime sandwich.
The thing is you see there is a mentality difference. You have things you cherish and therefore don’t want to loose.
A man whose brother, sister in law, children,parents aunt uncles, cousins etc… have been killed, who has had his house bombed or give to someone else without recieving a penny or asked for his consent, I mean what does that person have left to loose.
I would literally describe him as the walking dead, and someone who has nothing to loose can be dangerous person"Then that person is responsible for their actions. Just like hopefully the retribution heading Hamas way. Hamas chose to receive it because of those actions. 2000 pissed off marines highly trained and equipped. Actions has consequences on both sides. The only difference is who walks away as the victor. Hamas chose to receive the ball. Let the games begin. Get our citizens out and let Israel and Hamas have their final say. | |||
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"Its all out war now. America and UK will get directly involved and Iran. What a way to end 2023..will we see 2024? The UK needs to stay out of it for once, Not our fight. We are the USA's 'greatest ally' when war breaks out, yet 'back of the queue' for a trade deal. If the government want to do one single thing to make us safer, then stop the dinghy invasion. It's the UKs fault maybe your government shouldn't have promised lands to both sides just to open a southern front against the Turks. But here we are blame America. Well look, if you feel that strongly about Brit misdeeds of the past, how about you return your country to the native Americans? Or is it only certain historical events you don't like? It's another European caused debacle not ours . As far as I am concerned all I want is our American citizens back. Hence why the strike group is heading there. Palestine and Israel can just fight it out. If the European nations want to intervene have at it. Like the great Billy Joel said. We didn't start the fire. It was always burning since the worlds been turning.. Yup and Hamas is about to find out that if they don't return the American citizens. Gaza strip is going to be a war crime sandwich.
The thing is you see there is a mentality difference. You have things you cherish and therefore don’t want to loose.
A man whose brother, sister in law, children,parents aunt uncles, cousins etc… have been killed, who has had his house bombed or give to someone else without recieving a penny or asked for his consent, I mean what does that person have left to loose.
I would literally describe him as the walking dead, and someone who has nothing to loose can be dangerous person Then that person is responsible for their actions. Just like hopefully the retribution heading Hamas way. Hamas chose to receive it because of those actions. 2000 pissed off marines highly trained and equipped. Actions has consequences on both sides. The only difference is who walks away as the victor. Hamas chose to receive the ball. Let the games begin. Get our citizens out and let Israel and Hamas have their final say. "So are you saying that someone in Gaza, who took arms against israel is responsilble for the conflict because his family was killed to make way for Israeli settlers? It seems as though you think actions have consequences for Palestinians, yet the same should not apply to Israelis? | |||
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"Its all out war now. America and UK will get directly involved and Iran. What a way to end 2023..will we see 2024? The UK needs to stay out of it for once, Not our fight. We are the USA's 'greatest ally' when war breaks out, yet 'back of the queue' for a trade deal. If the government want to do one single thing to make us safer, then stop the dinghy invasion. It's the UKs fault maybe your government shouldn't have promised lands to both sides just to open a southern front against the Turks. But here we are blame America. Well look, if you feel that strongly about Brit misdeeds of the past, how about you return your country to the native Americans? Or is it only certain historical events you don't like? It's another European caused debacle not ours . As far as I am concerned all I want is our American citizens back. Hence why the strike group is heading there. Palestine and Israel can just fight it out. If the European nations want to intervene have at it. Like the great Billy Joel said. We didn't start the fire. It was always burning since the worlds been turning.. Yup and Hamas is about to find out that if they don't return the American citizens. Gaza strip is going to be a war crime sandwich.
The thing is you see there is a mentality difference. You have things you cherish and therefore don’t want to loose.
A man whose brother, sister in law, children,parents aunt uncles, cousins etc… have been killed, who has had his house bombed or give to someone else without recieving a penny or asked for his consent, I mean what does that person have left to loose.
I would literally describe him as the walking dead, and someone who has nothing to loose can be dangerous person Then that person is responsible for their actions. Just like hopefully the retribution heading Hamas way. Hamas chose to receive it because of those actions. 2000 pissed off marines highly trained and equipped. Actions has consequences on both sides. The only difference is who walks away as the victor. Hamas chose to receive the ball. Let the games begin. Get our citizens out and let Israel and Hamas have their final say.
So are you saying that someone in Gaza, who took arms against israel is responsilble for the conflict because his family was killed to make way for Israeli settlers?
It seems as though you think actions have consequences for Palestinians, yet the same should not apply to Israelis?"Didn't I say repeatedly give us our citizens or else ? | |||
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"USA sending its largest aircraft carrier, five destroyers and a squadron of F35/F16 jets on way to east med. Netanyahu has called up 300,000 reservists. Gaza civilians will be paying a heavy price with what is coming, which will be a further catalyst for more terror attacks, and more refugees. Never ending cycle. I don’t think the US carrier force is so much about hamas as such… it’s more a message for Iran not to get any more involved " This, and other states in the area also.. | |||
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"Its all out war now. America and UK will get directly involved and Iran. What a way to end 2023..will we see 2024? The UK needs to stay out of it for once, Not our fight. We are the USA's 'greatest ally' when war breaks out, yet 'back of the queue' for a trade deal. If the government want to do one single thing to make us safer, then stop the dinghy invasion. It's the UKs fault maybe your government shouldn't have promised lands to both sides just to open a southern front against the Turks. But here we are blame America. Well look, if you feel that strongly about Brit misdeeds of the past, how about you return your country to the native Americans? Or is it only certain historical events you don't like? It's another European caused debacle not ours . As far as I am concerned all I want is our American citizens back. Hence why the strike group is heading there. Palestine and Israel can just fight it out. If the European nations want to intervene have at it. Like the great Billy Joel said. We didn't start the fire. It was always burning since the worlds been turning.. Yup and Hamas is about to find out that if they don't return the American citizens. Gaza strip is going to be a war crime sandwich.
The thing is you see there is a mentality difference. You have things you cherish and therefore don’t want to loose.
A man whose brother, sister in law, children,parents aunt uncles, cousins etc… have been killed, who has had his house bombed or give to someone else without recieving a penny or asked for his consent, I mean what does that person have left to loose.
I would literally describe him as the walking dead, and someone who has nothing to loose can be dangerous person Then that person is responsible for their actions. Just like hopefully the retribution heading Hamas way. Hamas chose to receive it because of those actions. 2000 pissed off marines highly trained and equipped. Actions has consequences on both sides. The only difference is who walks away as the victor. Hamas chose to receive the ball. Let the games begin. Get our citizens out and let Israel and Hamas have their final say.
So are you saying that someone in Gaza, who took arms against israel is responsilble for the conflict because his family was killed to make way for Israeli settlers?
It seems as though you think actions have consequences for Palestinians, yet the same should not apply to Israelis? Didn't I say repeatedly give us our citizens or else ?"When Syrian Americans went to Syria to fight Assad, were you calling for them to be sent home? How can you therefore justify calling Israeli Americans back? I mean even the story of the British Israeli soldier in Israel was misleading as the headline said Brit captured, yet he was serving in the Israeli military. Actions have consequences surely and if you sign up to fight for a foreign military then sure you should face the consequences? | |||
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"Its all out war now. America and UK will get directly involved and Iran. What a way to end 2023..will we see 2024? The UK needs to stay out of it for once, Not our fight. We are the USA's 'greatest ally' when war breaks out, yet 'back of the queue' for a trade deal. If the government want to do one single thing to make us safer, then stop the dinghy invasion. It's the UKs fault maybe your government shouldn't have promised lands to both sides just to open a southern front against the Turks. But here we are blame America. Well look, if you feel that strongly about Brit misdeeds of the past, how about you return your country to the native Americans? Or is it only certain historical events you don't like? It's another European caused debacle not ours . As far as I am concerned all I want is our American citizens back. Hence why the strike group is heading there. Palestine and Israel can just fight it out. If the European nations want to intervene have at it. Like the great Billy Joel said. We didn't start the fire. It was always burning since the worlds been turning.. Yup and Hamas is about to find out that if they don't return the American citizens. Gaza strip is going to be a war crime sandwich.
The thing is you see there is a mentality difference. You have things you cherish and therefore don’t want to loose.
A man whose brother, sister in law, children,parents aunt uncles, cousins etc… have been killed, who has had his house bombed or give to someone else without recieving a penny or asked for his consent, I mean what does that person have left to loose.
I would literally describe him as the walking dead, and someone who has nothing to loose can be dangerous person Then that person is responsible for their actions. Just like hopefully the retribution heading Hamas way. Hamas chose to receive it because of those actions. 2000 pissed off marines highly trained and equipped. Actions has consequences on both sides. The only difference is who walks away as the victor. Hamas chose to receive the ball. Let the games begin. Get our citizens out and let Israel and Hamas have their final say. "blu i usually agree with most of what you say, fact is your citizens moved to isreal and thought it would be a good idea to stay on occupied land, actions have consequences as for your pissed off marines they wont even be leaving the ship | |||
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"Its all out war now. America and UK will get directly involved and Iran. What a way to end 2023..will we see 2024? The UK needs to stay out of it for once, Not our fight. We are the USA's 'greatest ally' when war breaks out, yet 'back of the queue' for a trade deal. If the government want to do one single thing to make us safer, then stop the dinghy invasion. It's the UKs fault maybe your government shouldn't have promised lands to both sides just to open a southern front against the Turks. But here we are blame America. Well look, if you feel that strongly about Brit misdeeds of the past, how about you return your country to the native Americans? Or is it only certain historical events you don't like? It's another European caused debacle not ours . As far as I am concerned all I want is our American citizens back. Hence why the strike group is heading there. Palestine and Israel can just fight it out. If the European nations want to intervene have at it. Like the great Billy Joel said. We didn't start the fire. It was always burning since the worlds been turning.. Yup and Hamas is about to find out that if they don't return the American citizens. Gaza strip is going to be a war crime sandwich.
The thing is you see there is a mentality difference. You have things you cherish and therefore don’t want to loose.
A man whose brother, sister in law, children,parents aunt uncles, cousins etc… have been killed, who has had his house bombed or give to someone else without recieving a penny or asked for his consent, I mean what does that person have left to loose.
I would literally describe him as the walking dead, and someone who has nothing to loose can be dangerous person Then that person is responsible for their actions. Just like hopefully the retribution heading Hamas way. Hamas chose to receive it because of those actions. 2000 pissed off marines highly trained and equipped. Actions has consequences on both sides. The only difference is who walks away as the victor. Hamas chose to receive the ball. Let the games begin. Get our citizens out and let Israel and Hamas have their final say. blu i usually agree with most of what you say, fact is your citizens moved to isreal and thought it would be a good idea to stay on occupied land, actions have consequences as for your pissed off marines they wont even be leaving the ship"We shall see. Do you think during a election year after Benghazi and Afghanistan debacle nothing will happen? | |||
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"Its all out war now. America and UK will get directly involved and Iran. What a way to end 2023..will we see 2024? The UK needs to stay out of it for once, Not our fight. We are the USA's 'greatest ally' when war breaks out, yet 'back of the queue' for a trade deal. If the government want to do one single thing to make us safer, then stop the dinghy invasion. It's the UKs fault maybe your government shouldn't have promised lands to both sides just to open a southern front against the Turks. But here we are blame America. Well look, if you feel that strongly about Brit misdeeds of the past, how about you return your country to the native Americans? Or is it only certain historical events you don't like? It's another European caused debacle not ours . As far as I am concerned all I want is our American citizens back. Hence why the strike group is heading there. Palestine and Israel can just fight it out. If the European nations want to intervene have at it. Like the great Billy Joel said. We didn't start the fire. It was always burning since the worlds been turning.. Yup and Hamas is about to find out that if they don't return the American citizens. Gaza strip is going to be a war crime sandwich."The US cavalry was always good at a bit of ethnic cleansing, in its day. Will the modern US military be better. Definitely should be with its bigger toys. But has good has the Chinese..? | |||
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"I’m still shook and I’m nowhere near it all You can see that sharing your fear for the people of Israel here is a pointless exercise. This thread is filled with comments from people who know next to nothing of the situation in front of us today or the history of the area, but here they have the freedom to write their opinion. Those opinions are going to be painful to you! I personally would look to discuss / share my pain in a place more accepting, not in a forum that often sees posters write that they are proud to not support their country and fellow citizens, or describe the country they live in as a bit of dirt. I wish you well. " Could always arrange a meet, it is Fab after all | |||
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"Its all out war now. America and UK will get directly involved and Iran. What a way to end 2023..will we see 2024? The UK needs to stay out of it for once, Not our fight. We are the USA's 'greatest ally' when war breaks out, yet 'back of the queue' for a trade deal. If the government want to do one single thing to make us safer, then stop the dinghy invasion. It's the UKs fault maybe your government shouldn't have promised lands to both sides just to open a southern front against the Turks. But here we are blame America. Well look, if you feel that strongly about Brit misdeeds of the past, how about you return your country to the native Americans? Or is it only certain historical events you don't like? It's another European caused debacle not ours . As far as I am concerned all I want is our American citizens back. Hence why the strike group is heading there. Palestine and Israel can just fight it out. If the European nations want to intervene have at it. Like the great Billy Joel said. We didn't start the fire. It was always burning since the worlds been turning.. Yup and Hamas is about to find out that if they don't return the American citizens. Gaza strip is going to be a war crime sandwich.
The thing is you see there is a mentality difference. You have things you cherish and therefore don’t want to loose.
A man whose brother, sister in law, children,parents aunt uncles, cousins etc… have been killed, who has had his house bombed or give to someone else without recieving a penny or asked for his consent, I mean what does that person have left to loose.
I would literally describe him as the walking dead, and someone who has nothing to loose can be dangerous person Then that person is responsible for their actions. Just like hopefully the retribution heading Hamas way. Hamas chose to receive it because of those actions. 2000 pissed off marines highly trained and equipped. Actions has consequences on both sides. The only difference is who walks away as the victor. Hamas chose to receive the ball. Let the games begin. Get our citizens out and let Israel and Hamas have their final say. blu i usually agree with most of what you say, fact is your citizens moved to isreal and thought it would be a good idea to stay on occupied land, actions have consequences as for your pissed off marines they wont even be leaving the ship We shall see. Do you think during a election year after Benghazi and Afghanistan debacle nothing will happen? "no it wont your dementia suffering president is doing wat he been told to do, if your country gets involved a lot of europen countrys will turn there backs on you, truth is most europeans aint as freindly with isreal as yourselves are | |||
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"Are we the only ones here who think recent events are quite fortuitous for the current leadership in Israel? It's been quite fractured with protests against the ultra-nationalist government as of late according to some media. Those Lockheed Martin shares needed a boost. Good for Lockheed then." Good for their shareholders yes. Bad for men women and children getting bombs dropped on them. | |||
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"Are we the only ones here who think recent events are quite fortuitous for the current leadership in Israel? It's been quite fractured with protests against the ultra-nationalist government as of late according to some media. Those Lockheed Martin shares needed a boost. Good for Lockheed then. Good for their shareholders yes. Bad for men women and children getting bombs dropped on them." Just like Iran supplying the Khaibar rockets to Hamas. | |||
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"Can Eqypt not supply power and water? They do share a border after all? " Yes just through that extension cord over the fence and plug it in, so I can mow my lawn... | |||
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"Can Eqypt not supply power and water? They do share a border after all? " They are opposed to Hamas also, that's not to say they will want to see innocent Palestinians suffering.. Whilst Israel are engaged and likely to invade they will probably sit on their hands.. | |||
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"Can Eqypt not supply power and water? They do share a border after all? Yes just through that extension cord over the fence and plug it in, so I can mow my lawn... "Rather than mock. It was a serious question it’s not like this has not been going on for years. | |||
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"Can Eqypt not supply power and water? They do share a border after all? They are opposed to Hamas also, that's not to say they will want to see innocent Palestinians suffering.. Whilst Israel are engaged and likely to invade they will probably sit on their hands.." Egypt would just prefer an easier life of which hamas is not actively helping…Egypt are in an awkward position where they can’t condemn but also can’t condone If Israel do go in the countries to look at are going to be Syria and Lebanon What it also does it stops Israel getting closer to other gulf states which is what Iran really wants | |||
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"Can Eqypt not supply power and water? They do share a border after all? They are opposed to Hamas also, that's not to say they will want to see innocent Palestinians suffering.. Whilst Israel are engaged and likely to invade they will probably sit on their hands.. Egypt would just prefer an easier life of which hamas is not actively helping…Egypt are in an awkward position where they can’t condemn but also can’t condone If Israel do go in the countries to look at are going to be Syria and Lebanon What it also does it stops Israel getting closer to other gulf states which is what Iran really wants " Bidens plan for closer ties is something Iran and Syria etc were always going to disrupt or detail.. 
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"Can Eqypt not supply power and water? They do share a border after all? Yes just through that extension cord over the fence and plug it in, so I can mow my lawn...
Rather than mock. It was a serious question it’s not like this has not been going on for years.
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"Palestine needs to be freed from Hamas. " Surprised at a Muslim group calling itself Ham ass... | |||
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"Quick question, everyone agrees ukraine have a right to defend there land against russia and do whatever it takes to push russia out of there borders, wats the difference here? Isreal are occupying palastinian land so how comes there not allowed to do whatever it takes to take there land back? Even the un agree isreal are illegally occupying that land" No one can deny that Israel haven't done their share of horrible things and there certainly isn't a clear good or bad side in this. What I think should be obvious is that attacking and kidn@pping innocent civilians is abhorrent and beyond wrong. It achieves absolutely nothing except provoking a violent reaction which will (sadly) lead to more innocent lives being lost. What I cannot comprehend are the morons who condone the slaughter of a bunch of kids at a music _estival or the sickening scenes of brainwashed idiots dancing round in the streets waving flags like their country won the world cup. | |||
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"Quick question, everyone agrees ukraine have a right to defend there land against russia and do whatever it takes to push russia out of there borders, wats the difference here? Isreal are occupying palastinian land so how comes there not allowed to do whatever it takes to take there land back? Even the un agree isreal are illegally occupying that land No one can deny that Israel haven't done their share of horrible things and there certainly isn't a clear good or bad side in this. What I think should be obvious is that attacking and kidn@pping innocent civilians is abhorrent and beyond wrong. It achieves absolutely nothing except provoking a violent reaction which will (sadly) lead to more innocent lives being lost. What I cannot comprehend are the morons who condone the slaughter of a bunch of kids at a music _estival or the sickening scenes of brainwashed idiots dancing round in the streets waving flags like their country won the world cup. " I dont think you'll find many, if anyone on here condoning Hamas' actions. What you will get plenty of though, is, but Israel.... It says things about people that I wouldn't dream of saying or I'll be banned (again ) | |||
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"Quick question, everyone agrees ukraine have a right to defend there land against russia and do whatever it takes to push russia out of there borders, wats the difference here? Isreal are occupying palastinian land so how comes there not allowed to do whatever it takes to take there land back? Even the un agree isreal are illegally occupying that land No one can deny that Israel haven't done their share of horrible things and there certainly isn't a clear good or bad side in this. What I think should be obvious is that attacking and kidn@pping innocent civilians is abhorrent and beyond wrong. It achieves absolutely nothing except provoking a violent reaction which will (sadly) lead to more innocent lives being lost. What I cannot comprehend are the morons who condone the slaughter of a bunch of kids at a music _estival or the sickening scenes of brainwashed idiots dancing round in the streets waving flags like their country won the world cup. " No one seems to be condoning the events outright but few condemned it outright either. What Hamas have done is barbaric in the extreme so why can't some bring themselves to just condemn it without trying to diminish the condemnation by bringing up other past events. It reminds me very much of hearing corbyn in the past. | |||
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