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By *estivalMan
over a year ago
borehamwood |
Crimanlise stuff people will still do it, newsagents will stop making the money step in the criminal gangs, pretty sure if the can smuggle illicit substances in a bit of tobacco will be no problem |
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"A step too far?
At present cigarettes can be bought by people 18(+). But Rishi wants to raise that by a year, every year.
Will it affect you? Is criminalising it the way to go?
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Naa,,, I opperate under common law not legislative forms, rules of the governed.  |
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By *otMe66Man
over a year ago
Terra Firma |
This is what they have done in NZ, and it is working really well.
I'm all for this, now if they could get on top of those vape things, that would be good as I'm sure in the not to distant future they were will be a moment of, oh fuck thy were bad for peoples lungs.... |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"How to invent an criminal income in one simple step.
Stupid, this mob seem to think that banning something is a solution to everything.
Really won the cannabis war didnt we...."
Well the stats do back it up
A 30% decrease in smoking in that age group when we changed the age to buy tobacco from 16 to 18
The US saw similar results when they changed theirs
How many kids are realistically get into smoking when they have to buy tobacco from a back alley dealer when they could just vape |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"If a company wanted to launch a new product in the UK that killed 76,000 people a year and cost £76 million a year in NHS and other costs, I don't think it would get licensed. "
until they realise how much tax it brings in
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"If a company wanted to launch a new product in the UK that killed 76,000 people a year and cost £76 million a year in NHS and other costs, I don't think it would get licensed. until they realise how much tax it brings in"
Cynic!! LOL Well you could argue that the money saved on buying cigarettes would be spent in other ways and taxed anyway. Maybe not as much tax revenue overall, but then savings on NHS etc. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"If a company wanted to launch a new product in the UK that killed 76,000 people a year and cost £76 million a year in NHS and other costs, I don't think it would get licensed. "
Ever seen the cost of a boozed up Britain on a friday night and it’s toll on socitey? |
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By *uietbloke67Man
over a year ago
outside your bedroom window ;-) |
"How to invent an criminal income in one simple step.
Stupid, this mob seem to think that banning something is a solution to everything.
Really won the cannabis war didnt we....
Well the stats do back it up
A 30% decrease in smoking in that age group when we changed the age to buy tobacco from 16 to 18
The US saw similar results when they changed theirs
How many kids are realistically get into smoking when they have to buy tobacco from a back alley dealer when they could just vape "
Read that back to yourself and add reality. |
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"If a company wanted to launch a new product in the UK that killed 76,000 people a year and cost £76 million a year in NHS and other costs, I don't think it would get licensed.
Ever seen the cost of a boozed up Britain on a friday night and it’s toll on socitey?"
I have as it happens, and also the devastating impact alcohol has on lives and families. It is another candidate for stricter regulation, or at the very least policies to reduce consumption. People will scream Nanny State, but they haven't lived with the consequences of alcohol abuse. |
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"Perhaps if they withdrew the NHS from smokers it could work?
The problem is no smoker ever pays enough Tax to pay for the cancer treatment they need. 15% of male smokers get cancer or 1:6.6 men. "
Do 15% of male smokers get smoking related cancer? |
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By *uietbloke67Man
over a year ago
outside your bedroom window ;-) |
"Anything that helps discourage young folk from taking up smoking is pointless unless you also target vape products."
Yip..single use vapes, ban them and you might help solve an issue.
Then again isn't the vape lobby a contributer to the GBNews/Tory party coffers? |
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By *apybarasCouple
over a year ago
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"I’m looking forward to a 30 year old hanging about outside the shop trying to get someone to buy him some fags.
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This is where it really falls down doesn't it. One group of adults are allowed to purchase cigarettes and another aren't.
Probably be able to take the case to the ECHR...
I also think it's going in the wrong direction, prohibition is a failed experiment. It didn't succeed with drink in the UK, it's not succeeding with drugs, why does anyone think tobacco will be different? |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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I wonder why it's tobacco and not alcohol (or both).
It's an interesting idea and I can't work out if it will drive a criminal black market or not ... when I was a nipper it wasn't a gang that got fags, it was the older kids.
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"Perhaps if they withdrew the NHS from smokers it could work?
The problem is no smoker ever pays enough Tax to pay for the cancer treatment they need. 15% of male smokers get cancer or 1:6.6 men.
Do 15% of male smokers get smoking related cancer?"
This is anecdotal, but in my own experience of friends and family almost all heavy smokers succumbed to cancer, so I'd guess the figure is higher. |
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"Perhaps if they withdrew the NHS from smokers it could work?
The problem is no smoker ever pays enough Tax to pay for the cancer treatment they need. 15% of male smokers get cancer or 1:6.6 men.
Do 15% of male smokers get smoking related cancer?
This is anecdotal, but in my own experience of friends and family almost all heavy smokers succumbed to cancer, so I'd guess the figure is higher."
Odd isn't it because I don't know one person has who succumbed to smoking related cancer. Most of my older family and friends smoked. |
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By *melie LAL OP Woman
over a year ago
Peterborough |
"Perhaps if they withdrew the NHS from smokers it could work?
The problem is no smoker ever pays enough Tax to pay for the cancer treatment they need. 15% of male smokers get cancer or 1:6.6 men.
Do 15% of male smokers get smoking related cancer?
This is anecdotal, but in my own experience of friends and family almost all heavy smokers succumbed to cancer, so I'd guess the figure is higher."
Wonder what the stats are for COPD |
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By *melie LAL OP Woman
over a year ago
Peterborough |
"Perhaps if they withdrew the NHS from smokers it could work?
The problem is no smoker ever pays enough Tax to pay for the cancer treatment they need. 15% of male smokers get cancer or 1:6.6 men.
Do 15% of male smokers get smoking related cancer?
This is anecdotal, but in my own experience of friends and family almost all heavy smokers succumbed to cancer, so I'd guess the figure is higher.
Wonder what the stats are for COPD"
9/10 :source NHS website |
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"Perhaps if they withdrew the NHS from smokers it could work?
The problem is no smoker ever pays enough Tax to pay for the cancer treatment they need. 15% of male smokers get cancer or 1:6.6 men.
Do 15% of male smokers get smoking related cancer?
This is anecdotal, but in my own experience of friends and family almost all heavy smokers succumbed to cancer, so I'd guess the figure is higher.
Wonder what the stats are for COPD
9/10 :source NHS website "
9/10 smokers develop COPD? |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Perhaps if they withdrew the NHS from smokers it could work?
The problem is no smoker ever pays enough Tax to pay for the cancer treatment they need. 15% of male smokers get cancer or 1:6.6 men.
Do 15% of male smokers get smoking related cancer?
This is anecdotal, but in my own experience of friends and family almost all heavy smokers succumbed to cancer, so I'd guess the figure is higher.
Wonder what the stats are for COPD
9/10 :source NHS website
9/10 smokers develop COPD?"
It’s 20-25% |
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"Perhaps if they withdrew the NHS from smokers it could work?
The problem is no smoker ever pays enough Tax to pay for the cancer treatment they need. 15% of male smokers get cancer or 1:6.6 men.
Do 15% of male smokers get smoking related cancer?
This is anecdotal, but in my own experience of friends and family almost all heavy smokers succumbed to cancer, so I'd guess the figure is higher.
Wonder what the stats are for COPD
9/10 :source NHS website
9/10 smokers develop COPD?
It’s 20-25%"
I found the stat. 9/10 cases of COPD are caused by smoking. |
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By *melie LAL OP Woman
over a year ago
Peterborough |
"Perhaps if they withdrew the NHS from smokers it could work?
The problem is no smoker ever pays enough Tax to pay for the cancer treatment they need. 15% of male smokers get cancer or 1:6.6 men.
Do 15% of male smokers get smoking related cancer?
This is anecdotal, but in my own experience of friends and family almost all heavy smokers succumbed to cancer, so I'd guess the figure is higher.
Wonder what the stats are for COPD
9/10 :source NHS website
9/10 smokers develop COPD?"
Yep |
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"Perhaps if they withdrew the NHS from smokers it could work?
The problem is no smoker ever pays enough Tax to pay for the cancer treatment they need. 15% of male smokers get cancer or 1:6.6 men.
Do 15% of male smokers get smoking related cancer?
This is anecdotal, but in my own experience of friends and family almost all heavy smokers succumbed to cancer, so I'd guess the figure is higher.
Wonder what the stats are for COPD
9/10 :source NHS website
9/10 smokers develop COPD?
Yep"
That's wrong. 20-25% of smokers develop COPD. In 9/10 cases, smoking is the main factor. |
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By *melie LAL OP Woman
over a year ago
Peterborough |
"Perhaps if they withdrew the NHS from smokers it could work?
The problem is no smoker ever pays enough Tax to pay for the cancer treatment they need. 15% of male smokers get cancer or 1:6.6 men.
Do 15% of male smokers get smoking related cancer?
This is anecdotal, but in my own experience of friends and family almost all heavy smokers succumbed to cancer, so I'd guess the figure is higher.
Wonder what the stats are for COPD
9/10 :source NHS website
9/10 smokers develop COPD?
It’s 20-25%"
Are you thinking that 1 in 5 deaths are caused by smoking? (Source: ASH) |
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By *eroy1000Man
over a year ago
milton keynes |
"A step too far?
At present cigarettes can be bought by people 18(+). But Rishi wants to raise that by a year, every year.
Will it affect you? Is criminalising it the way to go?
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There is a reasonable chance the black market will benefit due to this. I can't get out of my head the image of two middle aged people where one can buy cigarettes but the other can't because they are ever so slightly younger. I assume in years to come you will need ID showing your age to buy cigarettes regardless of how old you are. Better get used to it though as Labour seem to agree with it |
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"The plan seems to impose the ban incrementally by age until it's completely banned.
I am curious to know the age when most people start smoking."
Myself and missus both teens when we started. Non smokers now though. |
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"Perhaps if they withdrew the NHS from smokers it could work?
The problem is no smoker ever pays enough Tax to pay for the cancer treatment they need. 15% of male smokers get cancer or 1:6.6 men.
Do 15% of male smokers get smoking related cancer?"
That is what they say.  |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"How to invent an criminal income in one simple step.
Stupid, this mob seem to think that banning something is a solution to everything.
Really won the cannabis war didnt we....
Well the stats do back it up
A 30% decrease in smoking in that age group when we changed the age to buy tobacco from 16 to 18
The US saw similar results when they changed theirs
How many kids are realistically get into smoking when they have to buy tobacco from a back alley dealer when they could just vape
Read that back to yourself and add reality."
What part of that isn’t reality?
The statistics?
Or knowing kids are less likely to pay for over priced tobacco that doesn’t even get them fucked up when they can just vape |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"How to invent an criminal income in one simple step.
Stupid, this mob seem to think that banning something is a solution to everything.
Really won the cannabis war didnt we....
Well the stats do back it up
A 30% decrease in smoking in that age group when we changed the age to buy tobacco from 16 to 18
The US saw similar results when they changed theirs
How many kids are realistically get into smoking when they have to buy tobacco from a back alley dealer when they could just vape
Read that back to yourself and add reality.
What part of that isn’t reality?
The statistics?
Or knowing kids are less likely to pay for over priced tobacco that doesn’t even get them fucked up when they can just vape "
can kids buy vapes ? |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Perhaps if they withdrew the NHS from smokers it could work?
The problem is no smoker ever pays enough Tax to pay for the cancer treatment they need. 15% of male smokers get cancer or 1:6.6 men.
Do 15% of male smokers get smoking related cancer?
This is anecdotal, but in my own experience of friends and family almost all heavy smokers succumbed to cancer, so I'd guess the figure is higher.
Wonder what the stats are for COPD
9/10 :source NHS website
9/10 smokers develop COPD?
It’s 20-25%
Are you thinking that 1 in 5 deaths are caused by smoking? (Source: ASH)"
No. I saw a BMJ article that said 20% of smokers get COPD |
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"How to invent an criminal income in one simple step.
Stupid, this mob seem to think that banning something is a solution to everything.
Really won the cannabis war didnt we....
Well the stats do back it up
A 30% decrease in smoking in that age group when we changed the age to buy tobacco from 16 to 18
The US saw similar results when they changed theirs
How many kids are realistically get into smoking when they have to buy tobacco from a back alley dealer when they could just vape
Read that back to yourself and add reality.
What part of that isn’t reality?
The statistics?
Or knowing kids are less likely to pay for over priced tobacco that doesn’t even get them fucked up when they can just vape can kids buy vapes ? "
I've seen a seismic shift away from cigarettes from teenagers in the past 10 years or so that was one very common. Every day in school now we confiscate vapes. The consequences of vaping on site are minimal. Taken off them and a detention. In their eyes totally worth doing. |
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I was gobsmacked by the news report claim that in this day an age there are still 5m smokers in the UK!?!
I don’t know anyone who does anymore. None at work, friends, family or when we go out.
Who in their right mind would even consider it when you thing about the health and financial costs. |
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"If a company wanted to launch a new product in the UK that killed 76,000 people a year and cost £76 million a year in NHS and other costs, I don't think it would get licensed.
Ever seen the cost of a boozed up Britain on a friday night and it’s toll on socitey?
I have as it happens, and also the devastating impact alcohol has on lives and families. It is another candidate for stricter regulation, or at the very least policies to reduce consumption. People will scream Nanny State, but they haven't lived with the consequences of alcohol abuse."
They banned alcohol once in America. It didn't end well. |
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By *melie LAL OP Woman
over a year ago
Peterborough |
"I was gobsmacked by the news report claim that in this day an age there are still 5m smokers in the UK!?!
I don’t know anyone who does anymore. None at work, friends, family or when we go out.
Who in their right mind would even consider it when you thing about the health and financial costs. "
People's addiction that is stronger than their financial priorities. |
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"This is what they have done in NZ, and it is working really well.
I'm all for this, now if they could get on top of those vape things, that would be good as I'm sure in the not to distant future they were will be a moment of, oh fuck thy were bad for peoples lungs...."
So what about alcohol do you think there is also a point in restitution on consumption.
To meany d*unks in A&E and lots of alcoholics |
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"This is what they have done in NZ, and it is working really well.
I'm all for this, now if they could get on top of those vape things, that would be good as I'm sure in the not to distant future they were will be a moment of, oh fuck thy were bad for peoples lungs....
So what about alcohol do you think there is also a point in restitution on consumption.
To meany d*unks in A&E and lots of alcoholics "
Alcohol costs the nation £billions in primary and secondary effects, not to mention the social damage on individuals and families. You'll never ban alcohol, but consumption could be reduced by different means. |
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