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Well well well . It turns out, its not about British farming. She's just quite racist.
"The next election will be the choice between Britain becoming an Indian colony or choosing to steady the ship and begin the journey home to the e.u"
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By *irldnCouple
over a year ago
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Is that actually racist though?
If Sue Ellen can say what she said about Gay asylum seekers and be defended then this looks nowhere near as controversial to me?
Brexit supporters get very defensive when they are accused of racism over comments like “too many Romanians” and such. Is what Liz Webster said worse than that?
BTW I am agnostic on Webster. No views either way. But racist? |
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"Is that actually racist though?
If Sue Ellen can say what she said about Gay asylum seekers and be defended then this looks nowhere near as controversial to me?
Brexit supporters get very defensive when they are accused of racism over comments like “too many Romanians” and such. Is what Liz Webster said worse than that?
BTW I am agnostic on Webster. No views either way. But racist?"
yes it is
It's a derogatory comment about a race of people. |
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Saying being gay is not a right to claim asylum is not the same as denigrating an entire coutnries population who share different skin tone and religioins compared to the one you inhabit / prefer.
It is undeniably racist. And she has deleted the tweet. |
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By *irldnCouple
over a year ago
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"Saying being gay is not a right to claim asylum is not the same as denigrating an entire coutnries population who share different skin tone and religioins compared to the one you inhabit / prefer.
It is undeniably racist. And she has deleted the tweet."
Did you quote the whole thing? As what you said “Indian colony” is not what I would see as a racist?
Wasn’t comparing Gay to Racist, was saying people defend controversial statements when it suits them. Probably a poor comparison, the Romanian one was closer. |
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"Saying being gay is not a right to claim asylum is not the same as denigrating an entire coutnries population who share different skin tone and religioins compared to the one you inhabit / prefer.
It is undeniably racist. And she has deleted the tweet.
Did you quote the whole thing? As what you said “Indian colony” is not what I would see as a racist?
Wasn’t comparing Gay to Racist, was saying people defend controversial statements when it suits them. Probably a poor comparison, the Romanian one was closer."
It's racist.
It's disparaging toward one set of people ( let's not be an Indian colony)
Let's be a white colony to the e.u |
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"Saying being gay is not a right to claim asylum is not the same as denigrating an entire coutnries population who share different skin tone and religioins compared to the one you inhabit / prefer.
It is undeniably racist. And she has deleted the tweet.
Did you quote the whole thing? As what you said “Indian colony” is not what I would see as a racist?
Wasn’t comparing Gay to Racist, was saying people defend controversial statements when it suits them. Probably a poor comparison, the Romanian one was closer."
There's was nothing controversial about suellas words.
She simply stated something factual.
Being gay was not a reason for an asylum claim.
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By *irldnCouple
over a year ago
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"Is that actually racist though?
If Sue Ellen can say what she said about Gay asylum seekers and be defended then this looks nowhere near as controversial to me?
Brexit supporters get very defensive when they are accused of racism over comments like “too many Romanians” and such. Is what Liz Webster said worse than that?
BTW I am agnostic on Webster. No views either way. But racist?
yes it is
It's a derogatory comment about a race of people."
As above was this the full quote? How is “Indian colony” denigrating a whole population? |
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"Is that actually racist though?
If Sue Ellen can say what she said about Gay asylum seekers and be defended then this looks nowhere near as controversial to me?
Brexit supporters get very defensive when they are accused of racism over comments like “too many Romanians” and such. Is what Liz Webster said worse than that?
BTW I am agnostic on Webster. No views either way. But racist?
yes it is
It's a derogatory comment about a race of people.
As above was this the full quote? How is “Indian colony” denigrating a whole population?"
Because you prefer to be part of a white colony.
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over a year ago
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It's distasteful rhetoric.
Is the implication we will be inundated with Indians ? Or that we will be ceding much control to India via the FTA? I'm hoping it's more the latter as the former is unsavoury.
I'm not sure racist in itself. It makes no value statement about India or being a colony thereof. I don't see it being any more racist than suggesting millions of Turks are on their way However the undertones are worrying. Wrong.
I wish people would stop trying to have complex discussion on twitter. It removes all context and nuance.
I may add that to my pet hates.
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"It's distasteful rhetoric.
Is the implication we will be inundated with Indians ? Or that we will be ceding much control to India via the FTA? I'm hoping it's more the latter as the former is unsavoury.
I'm not sure racist in itself. It makes no value statement about India or being a colony thereof. I don't see it being any more racist than suggesting millions of Turks are on their way However the undertones are worrying. Wrong.
I wish people would stop trying to have complex discussion on twitter. It removes all context and nuance.
I may add that to my pet hates.
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She would rather we cede full control to the White e.u
Than do free trade with Indians.
Its racist.
Had any one from the right wing jave come out and said this.
There'd be cries lf racism. |
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"It's distasteful rhetoric.
Is the implication we will be inundated with Indians ? Or that we will be ceding much control to India via the FTA? I'm hoping it's more the latter as the former is unsavoury.
I'm not sure racist in itself. It makes no value statement about India or being a colony thereof. I don't see it being any more racist than suggesting millions of Turks are on their way However the undertones are worrying. Wrong.
I wish people would stop trying to have complex discussion on twitter. It removes all context and nuance.
I may add that to my pet hates.
She would rather we cede full control to the White e.u
Than do free trade with Indians.
Its racist.
Had any one from the right wing jave come out and said this.
There'd be cries lf racism."
her language does suggest that she prefer the EU. However she didn't explicitly state a preference. There's some semantics in there to weasel out as policlycoans and their supporters are want to do.
I'd also suggest that's not quite the options. Being part of the EU is not giving up full control. And the Indian trade deal is more than an FTA if it starts covering visas and the like.
However I do agree there is clear water between the two options.
She should explain herself. As it stands it smells a bit like racism. But that could just be the twitter effect. |
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"Is that actually racist though?
If Sue Ellen can say what she said about Gay asylum seekers and be defended then this looks nowhere near as controversial to me?
Brexit supporters get very defensive when they are accused of racism over comments like “too many Romanians” and such. Is what Liz Webster said worse than that?
BTW I am agnostic on Webster. No views either way. But racist?
yes it is
It's a derogatory comment about a race of people."
How? Purely on the paragraph you quoted, I see it as using British colonial history in reverse that India will "rule us" via trade agreements Vs her preference of being ruled by the EU. |
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By *irldnCouple
over a year ago
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"Is that actually racist though?
If Sue Ellen can say what she said about Gay asylum seekers and be defended then this looks nowhere near as controversial to me?
Brexit supporters get very defensive when they are accused of racism over comments like “too many Romanians” and such. Is what Liz Webster said worse than that?
BTW I am agnostic on Webster. No views either way. But racist?
yes it is
It's a derogatory comment about a race of people.
How? Purely on the paragraph you quoted, I see it as using British colonial history in reverse that India will "rule us" via trade agreements Vs her preference of being ruled by the EU."
Yeah I’m really not seeing the racism here? |
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over a year ago
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"Is that actually racist though?
If Sue Ellen can say what she said about Gay asylum seekers and be defended then this looks nowhere near as controversial to me?
Brexit supporters get very defensive when they are accused of racism over comments like “too many Romanians” and such. Is what Liz Webster said worse than that?
BTW I am agnostic on Webster. No views either way. But racist?
yes it is
It's a derogatory comment about a race of people.
How? Purely on the paragraph you quoted, I see it as using British colonial history in reverse that India will "rule us" via trade agreements Vs her preference of being ruled by the EU.
Yeah I’m really not seeing the racism here?"
There’s no racism. It’s a particularly poorly chosen phrase. |
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"Is everyone in the EU white? Not sure what I’m missing here."
Is everyone in India Indian?
No.
Is every one in Africa black no.
Bit you denigrate the general population.
Had a tory saidnthis. You'd be up in arms about it. And you know it.
People tried calling farage a racist for saying no one wants to live next door to 20 male Romanians orbthaybturkeynmight be let into the e.u
If that's racist language as some in here commenting on this thread indicated. What liz said is Absolutely racist.
You don't get to have it both ways I am afraid.
You made your bed.
Lie in it. |
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Given that this story has no traction, can’t be found with a simple Google search, and most here appear to have the same question - ‘where is the racism’ - I’m going to suggest that there is no racism involved.
On X liz has said: “Of course it’s not racist. It’s about power, we have signed deals with Australia NZ and CPTPP to cede considerable power to former colonies. India is also WIP”
That’s true, is it not? |
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"Given that this story has no traction, can’t be found with a simple Google search, and most here appear to have the same question - ‘where is the racism’ - I’m going to suggest that there is no racism involved.
On X liz has said: “Of course it’s not racist. It’s about power, we have signed deals with Australia NZ and CPTPP to cede considerable power to former colonies. India is also WIP”
That’s true, is it not? "
The insuggest you aren't using Google well enough fun fella.
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"Given that this story has no traction, can’t be found with a simple Google search, and most here appear to have the same question - ‘where is the racism’ - I’m going to suggest that there is no racism involved.
On X liz has said: “Of course it’s not racist. It’s about power, we have signed deals with Australia NZ and CPTPP to cede considerable power to former colonies. India is also WIP”
That’s true, is it not? "
There is no ceding of power.
Liz as always is wrong.
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"Given that this story has no traction, can’t be found with a simple Google search, and most here appear to have the same question - ‘where is the racism’ - I’m going to suggest that there is no racism involved.
On X liz has said: “Of course it’s not racist. It’s about power, we have signed deals with Australia NZ and CPTPP to cede considerable power to former colonies. India is also WIP”
That’s true, is it not?
There is no ceding of power.
Liz as always is wrong.
noun
noun: racism
prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism by an individual, community, or institution against a person or people on the basis of their membership of a particular racial or ethnic group, typically one that is a minority or"
No ceding of power? I’m every trade deal there is a ceding of power to a greater or lesser extent. That’s what deals are.
You’re seeing racism where none exists in order to try to score a point. |
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"Given that this story has no traction, can’t be found with a simple Google search, and most here appear to have the same question - ‘where is the racism’ - I’m going to suggest that there is no racism involved.
On X liz has said: “Of course it’s not racist. It’s about power, we have signed deals with Australia NZ and CPTPP to cede considerable power to former colonies. India is also WIP”
That’s true, is it not?
There is no ceding of power.
Liz as always is wrong.
noun
noun: racism
prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism by an individual, community, or institution against a person or people on the basis of their membership of a particular racial or ethnic group, typically one that is a minority or
No ceding of power? I’m every trade deal there is a ceding of power to a greater or lesser extent. That’s what deals are.
You’re seeing racism where none exists in order to try to score a point. "
Please point out from the Australia fta what we ceded. Point to the annex and paragraph
I'll wait |
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"Given that this story has no traction, can’t be found with a simple Google search, and most here appear to have the same question - ‘where is the racism’ - I’m going to suggest that there is no racism involved.
On X liz has said: “Of course it’s not racist. It’s about power, we have signed deals with Australia NZ and CPTPP to cede considerable power to former colonies. India is also WIP”
That’s true, is it not?
There is no ceding of power.
Liz as always is wrong.
noun
noun: racism
prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism by an individual, community, or institution against a person or people on the basis of their membership of a particular racial or ethnic group, typically one that is a minority or
No ceding of power? I’m every trade deal there is a ceding of power to a greater or lesser extent. That’s what deals are.
You’re seeing racism where none exists in order to try to score a point. "
I don't think he's making it up. Whilst I don't necessarily see racism. I do agree that if a right winger had said the same thing, the 'furore' would be very very different. |
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"Given that this story has no traction, can’t be found with a simple Google search, and most here appear to have the same question - ‘where is the racism’ - I’m going to suggest that there is no racism involved.
On X liz has said: “Of course it’s not racist. It’s about power, we have signed deals with Australia NZ and CPTPP to cede considerable power to former colonies. India is also WIP”
That’s true, is it not?
There is no ceding of power.
Liz as always is wrong.
noun
noun: racism
prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism by an individual, community, or institution against a person or people on the basis of their membership of a particular racial or ethnic group, typically one that is a minority or
No ceding of power? I’m every trade deal there is a ceding of power to a greater or lesser extent. That’s what deals are.
You’re seeing racism where none exists in order to try to score a point.
I don't think he's making it up. Whilst I don't necessarily see racism. I do agree that if a right winger had said the same thing, the 'furore' would be very very different. "
A simple search of " liz webster" on twitter would have produced the screen grabs taken before she quickly deleted the racist tweet. |
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Here we go again! Basically the idea she was trying to get across is that we are now going to be in a position where India (our old colony) as one of the fastest growing economies in the world are investing heavily in and skewing our economy (Tata Steel government support for new blast furnaces?) and they tend to be pretty good at winning concessions from this government. The use of the word colony is naive and triggering but I think it reflects an undercurrent of thought that the Tories are in thrall to India because they have people of Indian descent in positions of power. There was a politics poster who got banned a couple of years ago for expressing the idea that Rishi was more likely to be loyal to India. I have no idea why anyone would say something like colony unless they were trying to make an excessive impact for PR purposes. I doubt she’s a racist but I think she’s a bit lumpen in her thinking and I am sure there are plenty of farmers who agree with her statement |
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Agreed the furore was VERY different when some on here claimed bigel farage was racist for saying younwouldnt want 20 Romanians living next to you vs a French family ( maybe it was german) I can't remember fully.
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"Given that this story has no traction, can’t be found with a simple Google search, and most here appear to have the same question - ‘where is the racism’ - I’m going to suggest that there is no racism involved.
On X liz has said: “Of course it’s not racist. It’s about power, we have signed deals with Australia NZ and CPTPP to cede considerable power to former colonies. India is also WIP”
That’s true, is it not?
There is no ceding of power.
Liz as always is wrong.
noun
noun: racism
prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism by an individual, community, or institution against a person or people on the basis of their membership of a particular racial or ethnic group, typically one that is a minority or
No ceding of power? I’m every trade deal there is a ceding of power to a greater or lesser extent. That’s what deals are.
You’re seeing racism where none exists in order to try to score a point.
I don't think he's making it up. Whilst I don't necessarily see racism. I do agree that if a right winger had said the same thing, the 'furore' would be very very different.
A simple search of " liz webster" on twitter would have produced the screen grabs taken before she quickly deleted the racist tweet."
Oh I seen the tweet. I meant, I don't think your crying 'faux racism'.
I do think its quite telling that she deleted the tweet. |
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"Given that this story has no traction, can’t be found with a simple Google search, and most here appear to have the same question - ‘where is the racism’ - I’m going to suggest that there is no racism involved.
On X liz has said: “Of course it’s not racist. It’s about power, we have signed deals with Australia NZ and CPTPP to cede considerable power to former colonies. India is also WIP”
That’s true, is it not?
There is no ceding of power.
Liz as always is wrong.
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prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism by an individual, community, or institution against a person or people on the basis of their membership of a particular racial or ethnic group, typically one that is a minority or
No ceding of power? I’m every trade deal there is a ceding of power to a greater or lesser extent. That’s what deals are.
You’re seeing racism where none exists in order to try to score a point.
I don't think he's making it up. Whilst I don't necessarily see racism. I do agree that if a right winger had said the same thing, the 'furore' would be very very different.
A simple search of " liz webster" on twitter would have produced the screen grabs taken before she quickly deleted the racist tweet.
Oh I seen the tweet. I meant, I don't think your crying 'faux racism'.
I do think its quite telling that she deleted the tweet. "
I meant other people in this thread was jsut replying to your message that's all. |
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If you saw how Indians talk about other people in their own country you wouldn't be so protective over them. They can be just as racist as anyone else themselves. Its not like two wrongs make a right mind you. |
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By *irldnCouple
over a year ago
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"If you saw how Indians talk about other people in their own country you wouldn't be so protective over them. They can be just as racist as anyone else themselves. Its not like two wrongs make a right mind you."
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over a year ago
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"Agreed the furore was VERY different when some on here claimed bigel farage was racist for saying younwouldnt want 20 Romanians living next to you vs a French family ( maybe it was german) I can't remember fully.
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Still not really seeing this.
I get that use of the word (ex)colony could have some implied connotations (despite being historically correct) but I do not see her implying or being explicit in a criticism of people being Indian (that would be racist).
Farage saying you wouldn’t want 20 Romanians next door is clearly racist as the response to that is “why does them being Romanian matter?”
Webster’s tweet was ill-judged/poorly worded but I still do not see the racism? |
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"Agreed the furore was VERY different when some on here claimed bigel farage was racist for saying younwouldnt want 20 Romanians living next to you vs a French family ( maybe it was german) I can't remember fully.
Still not really seeing this.
I get that use of the word (ex)colony could have some implied connotations
(despite being historically correct) but I do not see her implying or being explicit in a criticism of people being Indian (that would be racist).
Farage saying you wouldn’t want 20 Romanians next door is clearly racist as the response to that is “why does them being Romanian matter?”
Webster’s tweet was ill-judged/poorly worded but I still do not see the racism?"
Sorry but I am seeing this as an absolute complete unashamed double standard.
Saying you wouldn't want 20 Romanian men next door to you because ofnthe e.us own numbers onc riminal gangs linking back tk Romania ( which is what farage was talking about) is in no way as racist as saying you'd rather be ruled by a majority white e.u parliament over an Indian trade deal.
Liz was racist. |
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"Agreed the furore was VERY different when some on here claimed bigel farage was racist for saying younwouldnt want 20 Romanians living next to you vs a French family ( maybe it was german) I can't remember fully.
Still not really seeing this.
I get that use of the word (ex)colony could have some implied connotations
(despite being historically correct) but I do not see her implying or being explicit in a criticism of people being Indian (that would be racist).
Farage saying you wouldn’t want 20 Romanians next door is clearly racist as the response to that is “why does them being Romanian matter?”
Webster’s tweet was ill-judged/poorly worded but I still do not see the racism?
Sorry but I am seeing this as an absolute complete unashamed double standard.
Saying you wouldn't want 20 Romanian men next door to you because ofnthe e.us own numbers onc riminal gangs linking back tk Romania ( which is what farage was talking about) is in no way as racist as saying you'd rather be ruled by a majority white e.u parliament over an Indian trade deal.
Liz was racist."
If you want to present Farage’s statement with context, shouldn’t you do the same with Liz?
Surely you’re presenting a double standard yourself? Was Farage’s comment racist, in your opinion? |
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"Agreed the furore was VERY different when some on here claimed bigel farage was racist for saying younwouldnt want 20 Romanians living next to you vs a French family ( maybe it was german) I can't remember fully.
Still not really seeing this.
I get that use of the word (ex)colony could have some implied connotations
(despite being historically correct) but I do not see her implying or being explicit in a criticism of people being Indian (that would be racist).
Farage saying you wouldn’t want 20 Romanians next door is clearly racist as the response to that is “why does them being Romanian matter?”
Webster’s tweet was ill-judged/poorly worded but I still do not see the racism?
Sorry but I am seeing this as an absolute complete unashamed double standard.
Saying you wouldn't want 20 Romanian men next door to you because ofnthe e.us own numbers onc riminal gangs linking back tk Romania ( which is what farage was talking about) is in no way as racist as saying you'd rather be ruled by a majority white e.u parliament over an Indian trade deal.
Liz was racist.
If you want to present Farage’s statement with context, shouldn’t you do the same with Liz?
Surely you’re presenting a double standard yourself? Was Farage’s comment racist, in your opinion? "
The context is there.
It was from a tweet.
I cant add more context.
I can add context to the nigel farage one because it was from a radio interview.
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By *irldnCouple
over a year ago
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"Agreed the furore was VERY different when some on here claimed bigel farage was racist for saying younwouldnt want 20 Romanians living next to you vs a French family ( maybe it was german) I can't remember fully.
Still not really seeing this.
I get that use of the word (ex)colony could have some implied connotations
(despite being historically correct) but I do not see her implying or being explicit in a criticism of people being Indian (that would be racist).
Farage saying you wouldn’t want 20 Romanians next door is clearly racist as the response to that is “why does them being Romanian matter?”
Webster’s tweet was ill-judged/poorly worded but I still do not see the racism?
Sorry but I am seeing this as an absolute complete unashamed double standard.
Saying you wouldn't want 20 Romanian men next door to you because ofnthe e.us own numbers onc riminal gangs linking back tk Romania ( which is what farage was talking about) is in no way as racist as saying you'd rather be ruled by a majority white e.u parliament over an Indian trade deal.
Liz was racist.
If you want to present Farage’s statement with context, shouldn’t you do the same with Liz?
Surely you’re presenting a double standard yourself? Was Farage’s comment racist, in your opinion?
The context is there.
It was from a tweet.
I cant add more context.
I can add context to the nigel farage one because it was from a radio interview.
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Sorry Morley I think you are clutching at straws and looking for false equivalence. Not seeing racism in this instance. |
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"Given that this story has no traction, can’t be found with a simple Google search, and most here appear to have the same question - ‘where is the racism’ - I’m going to suggest that there is no racism involved.
On X liz has said: “Of course it’s not racist. It’s about power, we have signed deals with Australia NZ and CPTPP to cede considerable power to former colonies. India is also WIP”
That’s true, is it not?
There is no ceding of power.
Liz as always is wrong.
noun
noun: racism
prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism by an individual, community, or institution against a person or people on the basis of their membership of a particular racial or ethnic group, typically one that is a minority or
No ceding of power? I’m every trade deal there is a ceding of power to a greater or lesser extent. That’s what deals are.
You’re seeing racism where none exists in order to try to score a point.
I don't think he's making it up. Whilst I don't necessarily see racism. I do agree that if a right winger had said the same thing, the 'furore' would be very very different.
A simple search of " liz webster" on twitter would have produced the screen grabs taken before she quickly deleted the racist tweet."
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"Is everyone in the EU white? Not sure what I’m missing here.
Is everyone in India Indian?
No.
Is every one in Africa black no.
Bit you denigrate the general population.
Had a tory saidnthis. You'd be up in arms about it. And you know it.
People tried calling farage a racist for saying no one wants to live next door to 20 male Romanians orbthaybturkeynmight be let into the e.u
If that's racist language as some in here commenting on this thread indicated. What liz said is Absolutely racist.
You don't get to have it both ways I am afraid.
You made your bed.
Lie in it."
I wouldn't want to live next door to 20 males FULL STOP. I imagine the noise would be horrendous  |
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"Agreed the furore was VERY different when some on here claimed bigel farage was racist for saying younwouldnt want 20 Romanians living next to you vs a French family ( maybe it was german) I can't remember fully.
Still not really seeing this.
I get that use of the word (ex)colony could have some implied connotations
(despite being historically correct) but I do not see her implying or being explicit in a criticism of people being Indian (that would be racist).
Farage saying you wouldn’t want 20 Romanians next door is clearly racist as the response to that is “why does them being Romanian matter?”
Webster’s tweet was ill-judged/poorly worded but I still do not see the racism?
Sorry but I am seeing this as an absolute complete unashamed double standard.
Saying you wouldn't want 20 Romanian men next door to you because ofnthe e.us own numbers onc riminal gangs linking back tk Romania ( which is what farage was talking about) is in no way as racist as saying you'd rather be ruled by a majority white e.u parliament over an Indian trade deal.
Liz was racist.
If you want to present Farage’s statement with context, shouldn’t you do the same with Liz?
Surely you’re presenting a double standard yourself? Was Farage’s comment racist, in your opinion?
The context is there.
It was from a tweet.
I cant add more context.
I can add context to the nigel farage one because it was from a radio interview.
Sorry Morley I think you are clutching at straws and looking for false equivalence. Not seeing racism in this instance."
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By *irldnCouple
over a year ago
Brighton |
"Agreed the furore was VERY different when some on here claimed bigel farage was racist for saying younwouldnt want 20 Romanians living next to you vs a French family ( maybe it was german) I can't remember fully.
Still not really seeing this.
I get that use of the word (ex)colony could have some implied connotations
(despite being historically correct) but I do not see her implying or being explicit in a criticism of people being Indian (that would be racist).
Farage saying you wouldn’t want 20 Romanians next door is clearly racist as the response to that is “why does them being Romanian matter?”
Webster’s tweet was ill-judged/poorly worded but I still do not see the racism?
Sorry but I am seeing this as an absolute complete unashamed double standard.
Saying you wouldn't want 20 Romanian men next door to you because ofnthe e.us own numbers onc riminal gangs linking back tk Romania ( which is what farage was talking about) is in no way as racist as saying you'd rather be ruled by a majority white e.u parliament over an Indian trade deal.
Liz was racist.
If you want to present Farage’s statement with context, shouldn’t you do the same with Liz?
Surely you’re presenting a double standard yourself? Was Farage’s comment racist, in your opinion?
The context is there.
It was from a tweet.
I cant add more context.
I can add context to the nigel farage one because it was from a radio interview.
Sorry Morley I think you are clutching at straws and looking for false equivalence. Not seeing racism in this instance.
Sorry but no. I am happy with my assessment of the derogatory language used to another race."
We will have just disagree then. You are clearly entitled to your opinion, I just don’t see it in this instance. |
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"Agreed the furore was VERY different when some on here claimed bigel farage was racist for saying younwouldnt want 20 Romanians living next to you vs a French family ( maybe it was german) I can't remember fully.
Still not really seeing this.
I get that use of the word (ex)colony could have some implied connotations
(despite being historically correct) but I do not see her implying or being explicit in a criticism of people being Indian (that would be racist).
Farage saying you wouldn’t want 20 Romanians next door is clearly racist as the response to that is “why does them being Romanian matter?”
Webster’s tweet was ill-judged/poorly worded but I still do not see the racism?
Sorry but I am seeing this as an absolute complete unashamed double standard.
Saying you wouldn't want 20 Romanian men next door to you because ofnthe e.us own numbers onc riminal gangs linking back tk Romania ( which is what farage was talking about) is in no way as racist as saying you'd rather be ruled by a majority white e.u parliament over an Indian trade deal.
Liz was racist.
If you want to present Farage’s statement with context, shouldn’t you do the same with Liz?
Surely you’re presenting a double standard yourself? Was Farage’s comment racist, in your opinion?
The context is there.
It was from a tweet.
I cant add more context.
I can add context to the nigel farage one because it was from a radio interview.
Sorry Morley I think you are clutching at straws and looking for false equivalence. Not seeing racism in this instance.
Sorry but no. I am happy with my assessment of the derogatory language used to another race.
We will have just disagree then. You are clearly entitled to your opinion, I just don’t see it in this instance."
As long as there is consistency. Then I don't mind
I will watch out for any further threads on farage Et al Crying racism and bigotry and refer back here ifni see contradiction. |
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By *irldnCouple
over a year ago
Brighton |
"Agreed the furore was VERY different when some on here claimed bigel farage was racist for saying younwouldnt want 20 Romanians living next to you vs a French family ( maybe it was german) I can't remember fully.
Still not really seeing this.
I get that use of the word (ex)colony could have some implied connotations
(despite being historically correct) but I do not see her implying or being explicit in a criticism of people being Indian (that would be racist).
Farage saying you wouldn’t want 20 Romanians next door is clearly racist as the response to that is “why does them being Romanian matter?”
Webster’s tweet was ill-judged/poorly worded but I still do not see the racism?
Sorry but I am seeing this as an absolute complete unashamed double standard.
Saying you wouldn't want 20 Romanian men next door to you because ofnthe e.us own numbers onc riminal gangs linking back tk Romania ( which is what farage was talking about) is in no way as racist as saying you'd rather be ruled by a majority white e.u parliament over an Indian trade deal.
Liz was racist.
If you want to present Farage’s statement with context, shouldn’t you do the same with Liz?
Surely you’re presenting a double standard yourself? Was Farage’s comment racist, in your opinion?
The context is there.
It was from a tweet.
I cant add more context.
I can add context to the nigel farage one because it was from a radio interview.
Sorry Morley I think you are clutching at straws and looking for false equivalence. Not seeing racism in this instance.
Sorry but no. I am happy with my assessment of the derogatory language used to another race.
We will have just disagree then. You are clearly entitled to your opinion, I just don’t see it in this instance.
As long as there is consistency. Then I don't mind
I will watch out for any further threads on farage Et al Crying racism and bigotry and refer back here ifni see contradiction."
I’m sure you will but we need to ensure there is no false equivalence. Did you respond on why it was necessary for Farage to talk about 20 Romanians next door? |
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"Agreed the furore was VERY different when some on here claimed bigel farage was racist for saying younwouldnt want 20 Romanians living next to you vs a French family ( maybe it was german) I can't remember fully.
Still not really seeing this.
I get that use of the word (ex)colony could have some implied connotations
(despite being historically correct) but I do not see her implying or being explicit in a criticism of people being Indian (that would be racist).
Farage saying you wouldn’t want 20 Romanians next door is clearly racist as the response to that is “why does them being Romanian matter?”
Webster’s tweet was ill-judged/poorly worded but I still do not see the racism?
Sorry but I am seeing this as an absolute complete unashamed double standard.
Saying you wouldn't want 20 Romanian men next door to you because ofnthe e.us own numbers onc riminal gangs linking back tk Romania ( which is what farage was talking about) is in no way as racist as saying you'd rather be ruled by a majority white e.u parliament over an Indian trade deal.
Liz was racist.
If you want to present Farage’s statement with context, shouldn’t you do the same with Liz?
Surely you’re presenting a double standard yourself? Was Farage’s comment racist, in your opinion?
The context is there.
It was from a tweet.
I cant add more context.
I can add context to the nigel farage one because it was from a radio interview.
Sorry Morley I think you are clutching at straws and looking for false equivalence. Not seeing racism in this instance.
Sorry but no. I am happy with my assessment of the derogatory language used to another race.
We will have just disagree then. You are clearly entitled to your opinion, I just don’t see it in this instance.
As long as there is consistency. Then I don't mind
I will watch out for any further threads on farage Et al Crying racism and bigotry and refer back here ifni see contradiction.
I’m sure you will but we need to ensure there is no false equivalence. Did you respond on why it was necessary for Farage to talk about 20 Romanians next door?"
Yes he was quoting about Romanian gangs. And thats why it would be intimidating. |
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By *irldnCouple
over a year ago
Brighton |
"Agreed the furore was VERY different when some on here claimed bigel farage was racist for saying younwouldnt want 20 Romanians living next to you vs a French family ( maybe it was german) I can't remember fully.
Still not really seeing this.
I get that use of the word (ex)colony could have some implied connotations
(despite being historically correct) but I do not see her implying or being explicit in a criticism of people being Indian (that would be racist).
Farage saying you wouldn’t want 20 Romanians next door is clearly racist as the response to that is “why does them being Romanian matter?”
Webster’s tweet was ill-judged/poorly worded but I still do not see the racism?
Sorry but I am seeing this as an absolute complete unashamed double standard.
Saying you wouldn't want 20 Romanian men next door to you because ofnthe e.us own numbers onc riminal gangs linking back tk Romania ( which is what farage was talking about) is in no way as racist as saying you'd rather be ruled by a majority white e.u parliament over an Indian trade deal.
Liz was racist.
If you want to present Farage’s statement with context, shouldn’t you do the same with Liz?
Surely you’re presenting a double standard yourself? Was Farage’s comment racist, in your opinion?
The context is there.
It was from a tweet.
I cant add more context.
I can add context to the nigel farage one because it was from a radio interview.
Sorry Morley I think you are clutching at straws and looking for false equivalence. Not seeing racism in this instance.
Sorry but no. I am happy with my assessment of the derogatory language used to another race.
We will have just disagree then. You are clearly entitled to your opinion, I just don’t see it in this instance.
As long as there is consistency. Then I don't mind
I will watch out for any further threads on farage Et al Crying racism and bigotry and refer back here ifni see contradiction.
I’m sure you will but we need to ensure there is no false equivalence. Did you respond on why it was necessary for Farage to talk about 20 Romanians next door?"
Oh you did. But linked it to crime figures. However, that is racist because it implies that all Romanian men are criminals which is patently not true. I just don’t see that as the same as same. |
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"Agreed the furore was VERY different when some on here claimed bigel farage was racist for saying younwouldnt want 20 Romanians living next to you vs a French family ( maybe it was german) I can't remember fully.
Still not really seeing this.
I get that use of the word (ex)colony could have some implied connotations
(despite being historically correct) but I do not see her implying or being explicit in a criticism of people being Indian (that would be racist).
Farage saying you wouldn’t want 20 Romanians next door is clearly racist as the response to that is “why does them being Romanian matter?”
Webster’s tweet was ill-judged/poorly worded but I still do not see the racism?
Sorry but I am seeing this as an absolute complete unashamed double standard.
Saying you wouldn't want 20 Romanian men next door to you because ofnthe e.us own numbers onc riminal gangs linking back tk Romania ( which is what farage was talking about) is in no way as racist as saying you'd rather be ruled by a majority white e.u parliament over an Indian trade deal.
Liz was racist.
If you want to present Farage’s statement with context, shouldn’t you do the same with Liz?
Surely you’re presenting a double standard yourself? Was Farage’s comment racist, in your opinion?
The context is there.
It was from a tweet.
I cant add more context.
I can add context to the nigel farage one because it was from a radio interview.
Sorry Morley I think you are clutching at straws and looking for false equivalence. Not seeing racism in this instance.
Sorry but no. I am happy with my assessment of the derogatory language used to another race.
We will have just disagree then. You are clearly entitled to your opinion, I just don’t see it in this instance.
As long as there is consistency. Then I don't mind
I will watch out for any further threads on farage Et al Crying racism and bigotry and refer back here ifni see contradiction.
I’m sure you will but we need to ensure there is no false equivalence. Did you respond on why it was necessary for Farage to talk about 20 Romanians next door?
Oh you did. But linked it to crime figures. However, that is racist because it implies that all Romanian men are criminals which is patently not true. I just don’t see that as the same as same."
No it doesn't.
He was directly quoting an europol stat
So unless you think the European intergovernmental agency for police forces is making up stats.... |
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By *irldnCouple
over a year ago
Brighton |
"Agreed the furore was VERY different when some on here claimed bigel farage was racist for saying younwouldnt want 20 Romanians living next to you vs a French family ( maybe it was german) I can't remember fully.
Still not really seeing this.
I get that use of the word (ex)colony could have some implied connotations
(despite being historically correct) but I do not see her implying or being explicit in a criticism of people being Indian (that would be racist).
Farage saying you wouldn’t want 20 Romanians next door is clearly racist as the response to that is “why does them being Romanian matter?”
Webster’s tweet was ill-judged/poorly worded but I still do not see the racism?
Sorry but I am seeing this as an absolute complete unashamed double standard.
Saying you wouldn't want 20 Romanian men next door to you because ofnthe e.us own numbers onc riminal gangs linking back tk Romania ( which is what farage was talking about) is in no way as racist as saying you'd rather be ruled by a majority white e.u parliament over an Indian trade deal.
Liz was racist.
If you want to present Farage’s statement with context, shouldn’t you do the same with Liz?
Surely you’re presenting a double standard yourself? Was Farage’s comment racist, in your opinion?
The context is there.
It was from a tweet.
I cant add more context.
I can add context to the nigel farage one because it was from a radio interview.
Sorry Morley I think you are clutching at straws and looking for false equivalence. Not seeing racism in this instance.
Sorry but no. I am happy with my assessment of the derogatory language used to another race.
We will have just disagree then. You are clearly entitled to your opinion, I just don’t see it in this instance.
As long as there is consistency. Then I don't mind
I will watch out for any further threads on farage Et al Crying racism and bigotry and refer back here ifni see contradiction.
I’m sure you will but we need to ensure there is no false equivalence. Did you respond on why it was necessary for Farage to talk about 20 Romanians next door?
Oh you did. But linked it to crime figures. However, that is racist because it implies that all Romanian men are criminals which is patently not true. I just don’t see that as the same as same. No it doesn't.
He was directly quoting an europol stat
So unless you think the European intergovernmental agency for police forces is making up stats...."
Not questioning whether or not there are violent criminal gangs in Romania but what exactly did he say? Wasn’t it “you wouldn’t want 20 Romanian men living next door” whereas that clearly needed a qualifier to avoid it looking racist so should have said “you wouldn’t want 20 Romanian criminals living next door” because that is like “no shit sherlock I don’t want criminals next door regardless of where they are from!”
So as it was said (I believe, but please provide actual quote) it is racist.
It is not the same as Liz Webster saying “Britain becoming an Indian colony” because there is no implication of criticism of being Indian, part rather being a colony. |
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"Agreed the furore was VERY different when some on here claimed bigel farage was racist for saying younwouldnt want 20 Romanians living next to you vs a French family ( maybe it was german) I can't remember fully.
Still not really seeing this.
I get that use of the word (ex)colony could have some implied connotations
(despite being historically correct) but I do not see her implying or being explicit in a criticism of people being Indian (that would be racist).
Farage saying you wouldn’t want 20 Romanians next door is clearly racist as the response to that is “why does them being Romanian matter?”
Webster’s tweet was ill-judged/poorly worded but I still do not see the racism?
Sorry but I am seeing this as an absolute complete unashamed double standard.
Saying you wouldn't want 20 Romanian men next door to you because ofnthe e.us own numbers onc riminal gangs linking back tk Romania ( which is what farage was talking about) is in no way as racist as saying you'd rather be ruled by a majority white e.u parliament over an Indian trade deal.
Liz was racist.
If you want to present Farage’s statement with context, shouldn’t you do the same with Liz?
Surely you’re presenting a double standard yourself? Was Farage’s comment racist, in your opinion?
The context is there.
It was from a tweet.
I cant add more context.
I can add context to the nigel farage one because it was from a radio interview.
Sorry Morley I think you are clutching at straws and looking for false equivalence. Not seeing racism in this instance.
Sorry but no. I am happy with my assessment of the derogatory language used to another race.
We will have just disagree then. You are clearly entitled to your opinion, I just don’t see it in this instance.
As long as there is consistency. Then I don't mind
I will watch out for any further threads on farage Et al Crying racism and bigotry and refer back here ifni see contradiction.
I’m sure you will but we need to ensure there is no false equivalence. Did you respond on why it was necessary for Farage to talk about 20 Romanians next door?
Oh you did. But linked it to crime figures. However, that is racist because it implies that all Romanian men are criminals which is patently not true. I just don’t see that as the same as same. No it doesn't.
He was directly quoting an europol stat
So unless you think the European intergovernmental agency for police forces is making up stats....
Not questioning whether or not there are violent criminal gangs in Romania but what exactly did he say? Wasn’t it “you wouldn’t want 20 Romanian men living next door” whereas that clearly needed a qualifier to avoid it looking racist so should have said “you wouldn’t want 20 Romanian criminals living next door” because that is like “no shit sherlock I don’t want criminals next door regardless of where they are from!”
So as it was said (I believe, but please provide actual quote) it is racist.
It is not the same as Liz Webster saying “Britain becoming an Indian colony” because there is no implication of criticism of being Indian, part rather being a colony."
I beleive the original context was 20 Romanian men lviign next door vs German school children.
I think given the statistical probability of the gangs ages and sexbfrom the European report. You'd agree. You'd feel easier living next door to a group of school children vs 20 romanian men.
If you have a problem with that. Then you have a problem with Europe data. |
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His statement after the car-crash interview was no better:
“Any normal and fair-minded person would have a perfect right to be concerned if a group of Romanian people suddenly moved in next door." |
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Agreed liz webster is much more rasmcist.
Using the team colony harks back to the days when we saw indians as lesser people.
Reiterating her abhorrent view of calling them a colony. She doubled down by saying she would rather be ruled byt the predominantly white e.u.
Disgusting suggestion. |
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By *irldnCouple
over a year ago
Brighton |
"Agreed the furore was VERY different when some on here claimed bigel farage was racist for saying younwouldnt want 20 Romanians living next to you vs a French family ( maybe it was german) I can't remember fully.
Still not really seeing this.
I get that use of the word (ex)colony could have some implied connotations
(despite being historically correct) but I do not see her implying or being explicit in a criticism of people being Indian (that would be racist).
Farage saying you wouldn’t want 20 Romanians next door is clearly racist as the response to that is “why does them being Romanian matter?”
Webster’s tweet was ill-judged/poorly worded but I still do not see the racism?
Sorry but I am seeing this as an absolute complete unashamed double standard.
Saying you wouldn't want 20 Romanian men next door to you because ofnthe e.us own numbers onc riminal gangs linking back tk Romania ( which is what farage was talking about) is in no way as racist as saying you'd rather be ruled by a majority white e.u parliament over an Indian trade deal.
Liz was racist.
If you want to present Farage’s statement with context, shouldn’t you do the same with Liz?
Surely you’re presenting a double standard yourself? Was Farage’s comment racist, in your opinion?
The context is there.
It was from a tweet.
I cant add more context.
I can add context to the nigel farage one because it was from a radio interview.
Sorry Morley I think you are clutching at straws and looking for false equivalence. Not seeing racism in this instance.
Sorry but no. I am happy with my assessment of the derogatory language used to another race.
We will have just disagree then. You are clearly entitled to your opinion, I just don’t see it in this instance.
As long as there is consistency. Then I don't mind
I will watch out for any further threads on farage Et al Crying racism and bigotry and refer back here ifni see contradiction.
I’m sure you will but we need to ensure there is no false equivalence. Did you respond on why it was necessary for Farage to talk about 20 Romanians next door?
Oh you did. But linked it to crime figures. However, that is racist because it implies that all Romanian men are criminals which is patently not true. I just don’t see that as the same as same. No it doesn't.
He was directly quoting an europol stat
So unless you think the European intergovernmental agency for police forces is making up stats....
Not questioning whether or not there are violent criminal gangs in Romania but what exactly did he say? Wasn’t it “you wouldn’t want 20 Romanian men living next door” whereas that clearly needed a qualifier to avoid it looking racist so should have said “you wouldn’t want 20 Romanian criminals living next door” because that is like “no shit sherlock I don’t want criminals next door regardless of where they are from!”
So as it was said (I believe, but please provide actual quote) it is racist.
It is not the same as Liz Webster saying “Britain becoming an Indian colony” because there is no implication of criticism of being Indian, part rather being a colony.
I beleive the original context was 20 Romanian men lviign next door vs German school children.
I think given the statistical probability of the gangs ages and sexbfrom the European report. You'd agree. You'd feel easier living next door to a group of school children vs 20 romanian men.
If you have a problem with that. Then you have a problem with Europe data."
I’s have to see the actual quote otherwise this is just conjecture. I stand by what I said he needed to qualify why he said Romanian men rather than Romanian criminals. It implies all Romanian men are criminals or bad people.
Comparing them to school children us fatuous. Personally I would want the house next door to have 20 men (any nationality) or 20 children (any nationality). If that was what he said then it was stupid. |
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By *irldnCouple
over a year ago
Brighton |
"Agreed liz webster is much more rasmcist.
Using the team colony harks back to the days when we saw indians as lesser people.
Reiterating her abhorrent view of calling them a colony. She doubled down by saying she would rather be ruled byt the predominantly white e.u.
Disgusting suggestion."
Really not seeing it. Colony is nowhere near as offensive?! |
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By *irldnCouple
over a year ago
Brighton |
"Agreed the furore was VERY different when some on here claimed bigel farage was racist for saying younwouldnt want 20 Romanians living next to you vs a French family ( maybe it was german) I can't remember fully.
Still not really seeing this.
I get that use of the word (ex)colony could have some implied connotations
(despite being historically correct) but I do not see her implying or being explicit in a criticism of people being Indian (that would be racist).
Farage saying you wouldn’t want 20 Romanians next door is clearly racist as the response to that is “why does them being Romanian matter?”
Webster’s tweet was ill-judged/poorly worded but I still do not see the racism?
Sorry but I am seeing this as an absolute complete unashamed double standard.
Saying you wouldn't want 20 Romanian men next door to you because ofnthe e.us own numbers onc riminal gangs linking back tk Romania ( which is what farage was talking about) is in no way as racist as saying you'd rather be ruled by a majority white e.u parliament over an Indian trade deal.
Liz was racist.
If you want to present Farage’s statement with context, shouldn’t you do the same with Liz?
Surely you’re presenting a double standard yourself? Was Farage’s comment racist, in your opinion?
The context is there.
It was from a tweet.
I cant add more context.
I can add context to the nigel farage one because it was from a radio interview.
Sorry Morley I think you are clutching at straws and looking for false equivalence. Not seeing racism in this instance.
Sorry but no. I am happy with my assessment of the derogatory language used to another race.
We will have just disagree then. You are clearly entitled to your opinion, I just don’t see it in this instance.
As long as there is consistency. Then I don't mind
I will watch out for any further threads on farage Et al Crying racism and bigotry and refer back here ifni see contradiction.
I’m sure you will but we need to ensure there is no false equivalence. Did you respond on why it was necessary for Farage to talk about 20 Romanians next door?
Oh you did. But linked it to crime figures. However, that is racist because it implies that all Romanian men are criminals which is patently not true. I just don’t see that as the same as same. No it doesn't.
He was directly quoting an europol stat
So unless you think the European intergovernmental agency for police forces is making up stats....
Not questioning whether or not there are violent criminal gangs in Romania but what exactly did he say? Wasn’t it “you wouldn’t want 20 Romanian men living next door” whereas that clearly needed a qualifier to avoid it looking racist so should have said “you wouldn’t want 20 Romanian criminals living next door” because that is like “no shit sherlock I don’t want criminals next door regardless of where they are from!”
So as it was said (I believe, but please provide actual quote) it is racist.
It is not the same as Liz Webster saying “Britain becoming an Indian colony” because there is no implication of criticism of being Indian, part rather being a colony.
I beleive the original context was 20 Romanian men lviign next door vs German school children.
I think given the statistical probability of the gangs ages and sexbfrom the European report. You'd agree. You'd feel easier living next door to a group of school children vs 20 romanian men.
If you have a problem with that. Then you have a problem with Europe data.
I’s have to see the actual quote otherwise this is just conjecture. I stand by what I said he needed to qualify why he said Romanian men rather than Romanian criminals. It implies all Romanian men are criminals or bad people.
Comparing them to school children us fatuous. Personally I would want the house next door to have 20 men (any nationality) or 20 children (any nationality). If that was what he said then it was stupid."
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"Agreed the furore was VERY different when some on here claimed bigel farage was racist for saying younwouldnt want 20 Romanians living next to you vs a French family ( maybe it was german) I can't remember fully.
Still not really seeing this.
I get that use of the word (ex)colony could have some implied connotations
(despite being historically correct) but I do not see her implying or being explicit in a criticism of people being Indian (that would be racist).
Farage saying you wouldn’t want 20 Romanians next door is clearly racist as the response to that is “why does them being Romanian matter?”
Webster’s tweet was ill-judged/poorly worded but I still do not see the racism?
Sorry but I am seeing this as an absolute complete unashamed double standard.
Saying you wouldn't want 20 Romanian men next door to you because ofnthe e.us own numbers onc riminal gangs linking back tk Romania ( which is what farage was talking about) is in no way as racist as saying you'd rather be ruled by a majority white e.u parliament over an Indian trade deal.
Liz was racist.
If you want to present Farage’s statement with context, shouldn’t you do the same with Liz?
Surely you’re presenting a double standard yourself? Was Farage’s comment racist, in your opinion?
The context is there.
It was from a tweet.
I cant add more context.
I can add context to the nigel farage one because it was from a radio interview.
Sorry Morley I think you are clutching at straws and looking for false equivalence. Not seeing racism in this instance.
Sorry but no. I am happy with my assessment of the derogatory language used to another race.
We will have just disagree then. You are clearly entitled to your opinion, I just don’t see it in this instance.
As long as there is consistency. Then I don't mind
I will watch out for any further threads on farage Et al Crying racism and bigotry and refer back here ifni see contradiction.
I’m sure you will but we need to ensure there is no false equivalence. Did you respond on why it was necessary for Farage to talk about 20 Romanians next door?
Oh you did. But linked it to crime figures. However, that is racist because it implies that all Romanian men are criminals which is patently not true. I just don’t see that as the same as same. No it doesn't.
He was directly quoting an europol stat
So unless you think the European intergovernmental agency for police forces is making up stats....
Not questioning whether or not there are violent criminal gangs in Romania but what exactly did he say? Wasn’t it “you wouldn’t want 20 Romanian men living next door” whereas that clearly needed a qualifier to avoid it looking racist so should have said “you wouldn’t want 20 Romanian criminals living next door” because that is like “no shit sherlock I don’t want criminals next door regardless of where they are from!”
So as it was said (I believe, but please provide actual quote) it is racist.
It is not the same as Liz Webster saying “Britain becoming an Indian colony” because there is no implication of criticism of being Indian, part rather being a colony.
I beleive the original context was 20 Romanian men lviign next door vs German school children.
I think given the statistical probability of the gangs ages and sexbfrom the European report. You'd agree. You'd feel easier living next door to a group of school children vs 20 romanian men.
If you have a problem with that. Then you have a problem with Europe data.
I’s have to see the actual quote otherwise this is just conjecture. I stand by what I said he needed to qualify why he said Romanian men rather than Romanian criminals. It implies all Romanian men are criminals or bad people.
Comparing them to school children us fatuous. Personally I would want the house next door to have 20 men (any nationality) or 20 children (any nationality). If that was what he said then it was stupid."
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"Agreed the furore was VERY different when some on here claimed bigel farage was racist for saying younwouldnt want 20 Romanians living next to you vs a French family ( maybe it was german) I can't remember fully.
Still not really seeing this.
I get that use of the word (ex)colony could have some implied connotations
(despite being historically correct) but I do not see her implying or being explicit in a criticism of people being Indian (that would be racist).
Farage saying you wouldn’t want 20 Romanians next door is clearly racist as the response to that is “why does them being Romanian matter?”
Webster’s tweet was ill-judged/poorly worded but I still do not see the racism?
Sorry but I am seeing this as an absolute complete unashamed double standard.
Saying you wouldn't want 20 Romanian men next door to you because ofnthe e.us own numbers onc riminal gangs linking back tk Romania ( which is what farage was talking about) is in no way as racist as saying you'd rather be ruled by a majority white e.u parliament over an Indian trade deal.
Liz was racist.
If you want to present Farage’s statement with context, shouldn’t you do the same with Liz?
Surely you’re presenting a double standard yourself? Was Farage’s comment racist, in your opinion?
The context is there.
It was from a tweet.
I cant add more context.
I can add context to the nigel farage one because it was from a radio interview.
Sorry Morley I think you are clutching at straws and looking for false equivalence. Not seeing racism in this instance.
Sorry but no. I am happy with my assessment of the derogatory language used to another race.
We will have just disagree then. You are clearly entitled to your opinion, I just don’t see it in this instance.
As long as there is consistency. Then I don't mind
I will watch out for any further threads on farage Et al Crying racism and bigotry and refer back here ifni see contradiction.
I’m sure you will but we need to ensure there is no false equivalence. Did you respond on why it was necessary for Farage to talk about 20 Romanians next door?
Oh you did. But linked it to crime figures. However, that is racist because it implies that all Romanian men are criminals which is patently not true. I just don’t see that as the same as same. No it doesn't.
He was directly quoting an europol stat
So unless you think the European intergovernmental agency for police forces is making up stats....
Not questioning whether or not there are violent criminal gangs in Romania but what exactly did he say? Wasn’t it “you wouldn’t want 20 Romanian men living next door” whereas that clearly needed a qualifier to avoid it looking racist so should have said “you wouldn’t want 20 Romanian criminals living next door” because that is like “no shit sherlock I don’t want criminals next door regardless of where they are from!”
So as it was said (I believe, but please provide actual quote) it is racist.
It is not the same as Liz Webster saying “Britain becoming an Indian colony” because there is no implication of criticism of being Indian, part rather being a colony.
I beleive the original context was 20 Romanian men lviign next door vs German school children.
I think given the statistical probability of the gangs ages and sexbfrom the European report. You'd agree. You'd feel easier living next door to a group of school children vs 20 romanian men.
If you have a problem with that. Then you have a problem with Europe data.
I’s have to see the actual quote otherwise this is just conjecture. I stand by what I said he needed to qualify why he said Romanian men rather than Romanian criminals. It implies all Romanian men are criminals or bad people.
Comparing them to school children us fatuous. Personally I would want the house next door to have 20 men (any nationality) or 20 children (any nationality). If that was what he said then it was stupid.
So you have been commenting. Having never heard or read the transcript of the original interview?"
Yep I have been basing it on you telling me what was said. I assumed you were a trusted source and could quote it. Based on what you have said, Farage was being racist. Luz Webster not. |
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"Can't we just agree that Liz Websters comment was ridiculously stupid?
100% stupid. Not racist
100% both stupid and racist"
Indian is not a race, its a nationality. For someone always wanting facts, seems a schoolboy error you keep repeating. |
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"Can't we just agree that Liz Websters comment was ridiculously stupid?
100% stupid. Not racist
100% both stupid and racist
Indian is not a race, its a nationality. For someone always wanting facts, seems a schoolboy error you keep repeating. "
I would sit and re read the thread. You've made a glaring error. |
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"Can't we just agree that Liz Websters comment was ridiculously stupid?
100% stupid. Not racist
100% both stupid and racist
Indian is not a race, its a nationality. For someone always wanting facts, seems a schoolboy error you keep repeating. "
Soooooooo, 100% stupid and 100% nationalist |
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"Indian is not a race, its a nationality."
Does that mean that it's fine for someone to say that Indians are all lazy idle spongers, coming over here to take our jobs and milk our benefits system? After all, if they're not a race, it can't be racism, can it? |
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"Can't we just agree that Liz Websters comment was ridiculously stupid?
100% stupid. Not racist
100% both stupid and racist
Indian is not a race, its a nationality. For someone always wanting facts, seems a schoolboy error you keep repeating. "
We can say whatever we like about Romanians then? Being that Romania isn't a race  |
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"Can't we just agree that Liz Websters comment was ridiculously stupid?
100% stupid. Not racist
100% both stupid and racist
Indian is not a race, its a nationality. For someone always wanting facts, seems a schoolboy error you keep repeating.
We can say whatever we like about Romanians then? Being that Romania isn't a race "
Did say that, because its the same for that. Its not racist, xenophobic. But not racist. |
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"Can't we just agree that Liz Websters comment was ridiculously stupid?
100% stupid. Not racist
100% both stupid and racist
Indian is not a race, its a nationality. For someone always wanting facts, seems a schoolboy error you keep repeating.
I would sit and re read the thread. You've made a glaring error."
So are you saying Indian is a race..? |
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"Indian is not a race, its a nationality.
Does that mean that it's fine for someone to say that Indians are all lazy idle spongers, coming over here to take our jobs and milk our benefits system? After all, if they're not a race, it can't be racism, can it?"
Xenophobic yes. But Indians is not one race. So it can't be racist. |
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"Indian is not a race, its a nationality."
"Does that mean that it's fine for someone to say that Indians are all lazy idle spongers, coming over here to take our jobs and milk our benefits system? After all, if they're not a race, it can't be racism, can it?"
"Xenophobic yes. But Indians is not one race. So it can't be racist."
So how are you determining what makes one group of people 'a race', and another group of people 'not a race'? |
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"Can't we just agree that Liz Websters comment was ridiculously stupid?
100% stupid. Not racist
100% both stupid and racist
Indian is not a race, its a nationality. For someone always wanting facts, seems a schoolboy error you keep repeating.
We can say whatever we like about Romanians then? Being that Romania isn't a race
Did say that, because its the same for that. Its not racist, xenophobic. But not racist. "
There was the argument above about Farage being racist because of what he said about Romanians.
I just wondered if that was cool, seeing as you didn't pick up on it. |
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"Indian is not a race, its a nationality.
Does that mean that it's fine for someone to say that Indians are all lazy idle spongers, coming over here to take our jobs and milk our benefits system? After all, if they're not a race, it can't be racism, can it?
Xenophobic yes. But Indians is not one race. So it can't be racist.
So how are you determining what makes one group of people 'a race', and another group of people 'not a race'?"
Well definitely not on national borders. Have the been to India..?
It is the most racially diverse country along with Brazil.
It has people whose ancestors came from Africa, Europe, China and so on.
Its like saying a British person of Caribbean decent is the same race as you. Because you are both British.
Heres a clip from a website, not sure a link is allowed.
The present population of the India has been divided into four racial groups- the Negritos, the Proto-Australoids, the Proto-Australoids, the Mongoloids, and the Mediterraneans. The Negritos were the first of the racial groups that came to India. |
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"So how are you determining what makes one group of people 'a race', and another group of people 'not a race'?"
"Well definitely not on national borders. Have the been to India..?
It is the most racially diverse country along with Brazil.
It has people whose ancestors came from Africa, Europe, China and so on.
Its like saying a British person of Caribbean decent is the same race as you. Because you are both British.
Heres a clip from a website, not sure a link is allowed.
The present population of the India has been divided into four racial groups- the Negritos, the Proto-Australoids, the Proto-Australoids, the Mongoloids, and the Mediterraneans. The Negritos were the first of the racial groups that came to India."
Ah, right. So it's not possible to be racist towards black people then, since there is no 'black race', with Africans being made up of Bantu, Zulu, Hauza, Igbo, Nama, etc. |
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"So how are you determining what makes one group of people 'a race', and another group of people 'not a race'?
Well definitely not on national borders. Have the been to India..?
It is the most racially diverse country along with Brazil.
It has people whose ancestors came from Africa, Europe, China and so on.
Its like saying a British person of Caribbean decent is the same race as you. Because you are both British.
Heres a clip from a website, not sure a link is allowed.
The present population of the India has been divided into four racial groups- the Negritos, the Proto-Australoids, the Proto-Australoids, the Mongoloids, and the Mediterraneans. The Negritos were the first of the racial groups that came to India.
Ah, right. So it's not possible to be racist towards black people then, since there is no 'black race', with Africans being made up of Bantu, Zulu, Hauza, Igbo, Nama, etc."
You seem to be mixing up nationality, race and ethnicity. Do know if this on purpose. |
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"You seem to be mixing up nationality, race and ethnicity. Do know if this on purpose."
I did ask you how you were defining 'race', and you chose not to answer. It's very difficult to have a discussion about race when the other side insists that his definition of 'race' is the right one, but won't tell you what it is. |
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"You seem to be mixing up nationality, race and ethnicity. Do know if this on purpose.
I did ask you how you were defining 'race', and you chose not to answer. It's very difficult to have a discussion about race when the other side insists that his definition of 'race' is the right one, but won't tell you what it is."
I define races has Caucasoids, Negroids, and Mongoloids.
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"You seem to be mixing up nationality, race and ethnicity. Do know if this on purpose."
"I did ask you how you were defining 'race', and you chose not to answer. It's very difficult to have a discussion about race when the other side insists that his definition of 'race' is the right one, but won't tell you what it is."
"I define races has Caucasoids, Negroids, and Mongoloids."
That's a very old-fashioned way of looking at things. Division of all humans into either white, black, or yellow isn't a popular position these days. Neither is the idea that all people of one skin colour share common characteristics.
Besides which, you were talking about Australoids earlier on. How do they fit into your classification system? |
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Has anyone else seen the deleted tweet? Or a story on it?
It's not great both media and Google algorithms seem to be hiding it.
I'd also like to check the wording as some seem to be acting as if she said things a bit more than the OP said she tweeted. |
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"Has anyone else seen the deleted tweet? Or a story on it?
It's not great both media and Google algorithms seem to be hiding it.
I'd also like to check the wording as some seem to be acting as if she said things a bit more than the OP said she tweeted. "
Completely disappeared by the look of it. I can find the tweet from people's screenshots but nothing else. |
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"Can't we just agree that Liz Websters comment was ridiculously stupid?
100% stupid. Not racist
100% both stupid and racist
Indian is not a race, its a nationality. For someone always wanting facts, seems a schoolboy error you keep repeating.
I would sit and re read the thread. You've made a glaring error.
So are you saying Indian is a race..?"
Indians are part of a race thaybsint Caucasian.
A race being discriminated against due their skin colour and beliefs.
"policies, behaviours, rules, etc. that result in a continued unfair advantage to some people and unfair or harmful treatment of others based on race"
They would be being descriminated against because they are Indian ( non caucasian) not that Indian is a race.
I do actually describe further up the reasoning had you bothered to read the thread. |
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"Saying being gay is not a right to claim asylum is not the same as denigrating an entire coutnries population who share different skin tone and religions compared to the one you inhabit / prefer.
It is undeniably racist. And she has deleted the tweet." |
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"Has anyone else seen the deleted tweet? Or a story on it?
It's not great both media and Google algorithms seem to be hiding it.
I'd also like to check the wording as some seem to be acting as if she said things a bit more than the OP said she tweeted.
Completely disappeared by the look of it. I can find the tweet from people's screenshots but nothing else. "
can you DM me a link to a screenshot? Google hates me |
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"Has anyone else seen the deleted tweet? Or a story on it?
It's not great both media and Google algorithms seem to be hiding it.
I'd also like to check the wording as some seem to be acting as if she said things a bit more than the OP said she tweeted.
Completely disappeared by the look of it. I can find the tweet from people's screenshots but nothing else. can you DM me a link to a screenshot? Google hates me"
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