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"It's long overdue this ongoing subsidy was stopped. And before the lefties cry racist I'll tell you why in my opinion. Stop giving to govts that, in many cases, don't need the money, certainly not if they have space or nuclear programmes. If we're going to borrow shed loads of money and pay the interest (unless someone's going to tell me we have £12bn sitting around) keep it and use it to help with natural disasters. That way it goes, hopefully, directly to those who need it and not corrupt politicians and govts and the UK would actually be recognised by those on the ground" Foreign aid = soft power. | |||
"It's long overdue this ongoing subsidy was stopped. And before the lefties cry racist I'll tell you why in my opinion. Stop giving to govts that, in many cases, don't need the money, certainly not if they have space or nuclear programmes. If we're going to borrow shed loads of money and pay the interest (unless someone's going to tell me we have £12bn sitting around) keep it and use it to help with natural disasters. That way it goes, hopefully, directly to those who need it and not corrupt politicians and govts and the UK would actually be recognised by those on the ground" I do kind of agree support the red Cross etc, but giving it to other government is madness. | |||
"It's long overdue this ongoing subsidy was stopped. And before the lefties cry racist I'll tell you why in my opinion. Stop giving to govts that, in many cases, don't need the money, certainly not if they have space or nuclear programmes." Which country with a space or nuclear programme do you think receives foreign aid from the UK? | |||
"It's long overdue this ongoing subsidy was stopped. And before the lefties cry racist I'll tell you why in my opinion. Stop giving to govts that, in many cases, don't need the money, certainly not if they have space or nuclear programmes. If we're going to borrow shed loads of money and pay the interest (unless someone's going to tell me we have £12bn sitting around) keep it and use it to help with natural disasters. That way it goes, hopefully, directly to those who need it and not corrupt politicians and govts and the UK would actually be recognised by those on the ground" £12bn a year is small beer £1700bn has been added to the national debt in the last 13 years | |||
"It's long overdue this ongoing subsidy was stopped. And before the lefties cry racist I'll tell you why in my opinion. Stop giving to govts that, in many cases, don't need the money, certainly not if they have space or nuclear programmes. If we're going to borrow shed loads of money and pay the interest (unless someone's going to tell me we have £12bn sitting around) keep it and use it to help with natural disasters. That way it goes, hopefully, directly to those who need it and not corrupt politicians and govts and the UK would actually be recognised by those on the ground £12bn a year is small beer £1700bn has been added to the national debt in the last 13 years " Of which 12bn/year is nearly 10%. Not exactly small beer. | |||
"It's long overdue this ongoing subsidy was stopped. And before the lefties cry racist I'll tell you why in my opinion. Stop giving to govts that, in many cases, don't need the money, certainly not if they have space or nuclear programmes. If we're going to borrow shed loads of money and pay the interest (unless someone's going to tell me we have £12bn sitting around) keep it and use it to help with natural disasters. That way it goes, hopefully, directly to those who need it and not corrupt politicians and govts and the UK would actually be recognised by those on the ground £12bn a year is small beer £1700bn has been added to the national debt in the last 13 years " Any chance of providing context behind the numbers? | |||
"£12bn a year is small beer" "£1700bn has been added to the national debt in the last 13 years" "Of which 12bn/year is nearly 10%. Not exactly small beer." You need some new batteries for your calculator. | |||
"£12bn a year is small beer £1700bn has been added to the national debt in the last 13 years Of which 12bn/year is nearly 10%. Not exactly small beer. You need some new batteries for your calculator." Take away the % miscalculation, what is your view on £12 billion? is it or is it not a significant amount of money? | |||
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"£12bn a year is small beer £1700bn has been added to the national debt in the last 13 years Of which 12bn/year is nearly 10%. Not exactly small beer. You need some new batteries for your calculator." Assume Feisty was saying £12bn x 13 years = £156bn? That is 9.17% of £1700bn. (That aside pretty sure the figure has not been a consistent £12bn each year of those 13 years?) | |||
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"£12bn a year is small beer £1700bn has been added to the national debt in the last 13 years Of which 12bn/year is nearly 10%. Not exactly small beer. You need some new batteries for your calculator. Take away the % miscalculation, what is your view on £12 billion? is it or is it not a significant amount of money?" It’s about 6 weeks worth of Brexit losses, for context  | |||
"£12bn a year is small beer £1700bn has been added to the national debt in the last 13 years Of which 12bn/year is nearly 10%. Not exactly small beer. You need some new batteries for your calculator. Assume Feisty was saying £12bn x 13 years = £156bn? That is 9.17% of £1700bn. (That aside pretty sure the figure has not been a consistent £12bn each year of those 13 years?)" That is correct. I didn't analyse the figures. Just used those given to work out the 10%. | |||
"£12bn a year is small beer" "£1700bn has been added to the national debt in the last 13 years Of which 12bn/year is nearly 10%. Not exactly small beer." "You need some new batteries for your calculator." "Assume Feisty was saying £12bn x 13 years = £156bn? That is 9.17% of £1700bn. (That aside pretty sure the figure has not been a consistent £12bn each year of those 13 years?)" "That is correct. I didn't analyse the figures. Just used those given to work out the 10%." It's obvious now that it's been explained. That'll teach me to post things when I'm tired. Having looked up the figures, foreign aid hasn't been consistent over the years (it's increasing), but it does average about £12bn per year over the past 13 years, so it is indeed close to 10% of the increase in national debt. | |||
"I read that the hotel cost for accommodating immigrants is coming from the foreign aid budget which means the the money actually going to other countries is reduced in the last couple of years. This is the source: https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/asylum-hotels-migrants-aid-spending-b2309613.html" This is true. For 2022 the "in-donor" allocation was £3.7bn, with "in-donor" being the FCDO's phrase for aid given to foreigners that are inside the UK. | |||
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"£12bn a year is small beer £1700bn has been added to the national debt in the last 13 years Of which 12bn/year is nearly 10%. Not exactly small beer. You need some new batteries for your calculator. Take away the % miscalculation, what is your view on £12 billion? is it or is it not a significant amount of money? It’s about 6 weeks worth of Brexit losses, for context "How do you work that out? | |||
"£12bn a year is small beer £1700bn has been added to the national debt in the last 13 years" "Of which 12bn/year is nearly 10%. Not exactly small beer." "It’s about 6 weeks worth of Brexit losses, for context" "How do you work that out? " I suspect that he hasn't worked it out at all, he's just quoted a random number that 'sounds about right'. I'd love to be proved wrong though. | |||
"£12bn a year is small beer £1700bn has been added to the national debt in the last 13 years Of which 12bn/year is nearly 10%. Not exactly small beer. You need some new batteries for your calculator. Take away the % miscalculation, what is your view on £12 billion? is it or is it not a significant amount of money? It’s about 6 weeks worth of Brexit losses, for context
How do you work that out? "He's using the 100b/year figure I suspect. | |||
"£12bn a year is small beer £1700bn has been added to the national debt in the last 13 years" "Of which 12bn/year is nearly 10%. Not exactly small beer." "It’s about 6 weeks worth of Brexit losses, for context" "How do you work that out?" "He's using the 100b/year figure I suspect." That would be rather foolish. That figure has been shown to be incorrect, and there was a discussion about it in this forum recently, in which he took part. Using such a figure would show that he's not interested in facts, he just wants to vent his anger at a political decision that didn't go his way. | |||
"It's long overdue this ongoing subsidy was stopped. And before the lefties cry racist I'll tell you why in my opinion. Stop giving to govts that, in many cases, don't need the money, certainly not if they have space or nuclear programmes. Which country with a space or nuclear programme do you think receives foreign aid from the UK?" Last time I looked I think Britain was still giving foreign aid to India. A nuclear power that has just landed a probe on the moon. | |||
"£12bn a year is small beer £1700bn has been added to the national debt in the last 13 years Of which 12bn/year is nearly 10%. Not exactly small beer. It’s about 6 weeks worth of Brexit losses, for context How do you work that out? He's using the 100b/year figure I suspect. That would be rather foolish. That figure has been shown to be incorrect, and there was a discussion about it in this forum recently, in which he took part. Using such a figure would show that he's not interested in facts, he just wants to vent his anger at a political decision that didn't go his way." Come on mate, you're quite a smart guy  | |||
"£12bn a year is small beer £1700bn has been added to the national debt in the last 13 years Of which 12bn/year is nearly 10%. Not exactly small beer. It’s about 6 weeks worth of Brexit losses, for context How do you work that out? He's using the 100b/year figure I suspect. That would be rather foolish. That figure has been shown to be incorrect, and there was a discussion about it in this forum recently, in which he took part. Using such a figure would show that he's not interested in facts, he just wants to vent his anger at a political decision that didn't go his way." You’re overthinking things. The emoji was the giveaway, mucker. | |||
"It's long overdue this ongoing subsidy was stopped. And before the lefties cry racist I'll tell you why in my opinion. Stop giving to govts that, in many cases, don't need the money, certainly not if they have space or nuclear programmes." "Which country with a space or nuclear programme do you think receives foreign aid from the UK?" "Last time I looked I think Britain was still giving foreign aid to India. A nuclear power that has just landed a probe on the moon." You should look again. The UK stopped giving said money to the Indian government in 2015. The FCDO does still invest in India, spending £33.4m in 'aid' last year, but that money goes as investments in companies with the intention of developing trade with the UK. | |||
"You’re overthinking things. The emoji was the giveaway, mucker." So just made-up numbers then. Thanks for helping me out. | |||
"You’re overthinking things. The emoji was the giveaway, mucker. So just made-up numbers then. Thanks for helping me out." Yesterday you were policing who can reply to who, today you’re snapping off because someone makes a tongue-in-cheek post. I thought Twitter was a bad place to chat politics, but it’s got nothing on fabs  | |||
"You’re overthinking things. The emoji was the giveaway, mucker. So just made-up numbers then. Thanks for helping me out. Yesterday you were policing who can reply to who, today you’re snapping off because someone makes a tongue-in-cheek post. I thought Twitter was a bad place to chat politics, but it’s got nothing on fabs "Or you were being fully serious, whilst dressing it up as tongue in cheek. That's more you're style. Throw figures around often enough and people will believe them, as is evident with your figure | |||
"You’re overthinking things. The emoji was the giveaway, mucker. So just made-up numbers then. Thanks for helping me out. Yesterday you were policing who can reply to who, today you’re snapping off because someone makes a tongue-in-cheek post. I thought Twitter was a bad place to chat politics, but it’s got nothing on fabs
Or you were being fully serious, whilst dressing it up as tongue in cheek.
That's more you're style. Throw figures around often enough and people will believe them, as is evident with your figure "And you’re still very much on-brand assuming you know what others are posting and they don’t
Let’s tidy it up, shall we?
The £12bn figure is x number of weeks worth of Brexit losses, where x is the weekly loss incurred by the U.K due to leaving the EU.
That’s factually accurate, but it lacks the humour. I think I prefer the original | |||
"You’re overthinking things. The emoji was the giveaway, mucker. So just made-up numbers then. Thanks for helping me out. Yesterday you were policing who can reply to who, today you’re snapping off because someone makes a tongue-in-cheek post. I thought Twitter was a bad place to chat politics, but it’s got nothing on fabs
Or you were being fully serious, whilst dressing it up as tongue in cheek.
That's more you're style. Throw figures around often enough and people will believe them, as is evident with your figure
And you’re still very much on-brand assuming you know what others are posting and they don’t
Let’s tidy it up, shall we?
The £12bn figure is x number of weeks worth of Brexit losses, where x is the weekly loss incurred by the U.K due to leaving the EU.
That’s factually accurate, but it lacks the humour. I think I prefer the original "Oops. Hook, line and sinker | |||
"You’re overthinking things. The emoji was the giveaway, mucker. So just made-up numbers then. Thanks for helping me out. Yesterday you were policing who can reply to who, today you’re snapping off because someone makes a tongue-in-cheek post. I thought Twitter was a bad place to chat politics, but it’s got nothing on fabs
Or you were being fully serious, whilst dressing it up as tongue in cheek.
That's more you're style. Throw figures around often enough and people will believe them, as is evident with your figure
And you’re still very much on-brand assuming you know what others are posting and they don’t
Let’s tidy it up, shall we?
The £12bn figure is x number of weeks worth of Brexit losses, where x is the weekly loss incurred by the U.K due to leaving the EU.
That’s factually accurate, but it lacks the humour. I think I prefer the original
Oops. Hook, line and sinker "Nah, just posting according to the fabs forum rules as set down by the authorities here. Don’t want to upset them lest they start policing the place further. | |||
"Yesterday you were policing who can reply to who, today you’re snapping off because someone makes a tongue-in-cheek post." "Snapping off"? "I thought Twitter was a bad place to chat politics, but it’s got nothing on fabs" I agree that this isn't the best place to discuss politics. There are too many talkers and not enough listeners. But you weren't talking politics were you, you were just having a dig. | |||
"You’re overthinking things. The emoji was the giveaway, mucker. So just made-up numbers then. Thanks for helping me out. Yesterday you were policing who can reply to who, today you’re snapping off because someone makes a tongue-in-cheek post. I thought Twitter was a bad place to chat politics, but it’s got nothing on fabs
Or you were being fully serious, whilst dressing it up as tongue in cheek.
That's more you're style. Throw figures around often enough and people will believe them, as is evident with your figure
And you’re still very much on-brand assuming you know what others are posting and they don’t
Let’s tidy it up, shall we?
The £12bn figure is x number of weeks worth of Brexit losses, where x is the weekly loss incurred by the U.K due to leaving the EU.
That’s factually accurate, but it lacks the humour. I think I prefer the original
Oops. Hook, line and sinker
Nah, just posting according to the fabs forum rules as set down by the authorities here. Don’t want to upset them lest they start policing the place further. "Nope. You missed the very emoji that you thought you were allowed to use but not I | |||
"Let’s tidy it up, shall we? The £12bn figure is x number of weeks worth of Brexit losses, where x is the weekly loss incurred by the U.K due to leaving the EU. That’s factually accurate, but it lacks the humour. I think I prefer the original" That doesn't actually tidy it up. You've not mentioned where you got your weekly loss figure from. I see that you're claiming it as "factually accurate", so it's bound to be a rock solid source. Would you like to tell us what it is? | |||
"Let’s tidy it up, shall we? The £12bn figure is x number of weeks worth of Brexit losses, where x is the weekly loss incurred by the U.K due to leaving the EU. That’s factually accurate, but it lacks the humour. I think I prefer the original That doesn't actually tidy it up. You've not mentioned where you got your weekly loss figure from. I see that you're claiming it as "factually accurate", so it's bound to be a rock solid source. Would you like to tell us what it is?" Brexit has a cost. We know that, you’ve admitted it yourself. So that cost, whatever it is, is x. You’ve really gone too hard on an amusing throwaway comment, haven’t you? | |||
"Let’s tidy it up, shall we? The £12bn figure is x number of weeks worth of Brexit losses, where x is the weekly loss incurred by the U.K due to leaving the EU. That’s factually accurate, but it lacks the humour. I think I prefer the original" "That doesn't actually tidy it up. You've not mentioned where you got your weekly loss figure from. I see that you're claiming it as "factually accurate", so it's bound to be a rock solid source. Would you like to tell us what it is?" "Brexit has a cost. We know that, you’ve admitted it yourself. So that cost, whatever it is, is x. You’ve really gone too hard on an amusing throwaway comment, haven’t you? " So just to make sure I've understood you, you're saying that there's a cost, but you don't know what that cost is, so earlier on you just made some stuff up for a laugh. Have I got that right? | |||
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"There would be a stronger argument if the money was put to good use. But much of it ends up in some despot's slush funds in a Swiss bank. " are we talking foreign aid or brexit ? | |||
"Let’s tidy it up, shall we? The £12bn figure is x number of weeks worth of Brexit losses, where x is the weekly loss incurred by the U.K due to leaving the EU. That’s factually accurate, but it lacks the humour. I think I prefer the original That doesn't actually tidy it up. You've not mentioned where you got your weekly loss figure from. I see that you're claiming it as "factually accurate", so it's bound to be a rock solid source. Would you like to tell us what it is? Brexit has a cost. We know that, you’ve admitted it yourself. So that cost, whatever it is, is x. You’ve really gone too hard on an amusing throwaway comment, haven’t you? " So we could say X=12 billion weeks I guess if we are just plucking figures  | |||
"It's long overdue this ongoing subsidy was stopped. And before the lefties cry racist I'll tell you why in my opinion. Stop giving to govts that, in many cases, don't need the money, certainly not if they have space or nuclear programmes. Which country with a space or nuclear programme do you think receives foreign aid from the UK? Last time I looked I think Britain was still giving foreign aid to India. A nuclear power that has just landed a probe on the moon. You should look again. The UK stopped giving said money to the Indian government in 2015. The FCDO does still invest in India, spending £33.4m in 'aid' last year, but that money goes as investments in companies with the intention of developing trade with the UK." I'm pretty sure the Indian space program pre dates 2015 which means the UK was giving aid to a country with a space program. Unless the aid was not standard foreign aid but instead investment | |||
"It's long overdue this ongoing subsidy was stopped. And before the lefties cry racist I'll tell you why in my opinion. Stop giving to govts that, in many cases, don't need the money, certainly not if they have space or nuclear programmes. Which country with a space or nuclear programme do you think receives foreign aid from the UK? Last time I looked I think Britain was still giving foreign aid to India. A nuclear power that has just landed a probe on the moon. You should look again. The UK stopped giving said money to the Indian government in 2015. The FCDO does still invest in India, spending £33.4m in 'aid' last year, but that money goes as investments in companies with the intention of developing trade with the UK. I'm pretty sure the Indian space program pre dates 2015 which means the UK was giving aid to a country with a space program. Unless the aid was not standard foreign aid but instead investment" India started phasing out receiving foreign aid in 2004. By 2016, India became a net donor. The space program of India started around 1969 itself. But India did not see the space program as a vanity project but as an investment. | |||
"It's long overdue this ongoing subsidy was stopped. And before the lefties cry racist I'll tell you why in my opinion. " As Fun Fella said previously, it's all about Soft Power. It's nothing to to with "lefties" or whatever hard-on you seem to derive from bashing liberal-minded folks. Soft power is not a form of idealism or liberalism. It is simply a form of power, one way of getting desired outcomes. To get other countries do to what we want, we use soft power. We co-opt, instead of coerce. China are not investing massively in African countries out of the goodness of their heart. They are projecting soft power. I don't think anyone can reasonably call China "Liberal". Quite the reverse. If we don't project soft power, countries ideologically opposed to us will. If we really want to make a success of Brexit, we need to project even more power in the world, not less. We told the EU we are Big Boys now, so we better start acting like the Superpower the Brexiters told us we were. Apparently. | |||
"It's long overdue this ongoing subsidy was stopped. And before the lefties cry racist I'll tell you why in my opinion. As Fun Fella said previously, it's all about Soft Power. It's nothing to to with "lefties" or whatever hard-on you seem to derive from bashing liberal-minded folks. Soft power is not a form of idealism or liberalism. It is simply a form of power, one way of getting desired outcomes. To get other countries do to what we want, we use soft power. We co-opt, instead of coerce. China are not investing massively in African countries out of the goodness of their heart. They are projecting soft power. I don't think anyone can reasonably call China "Liberal". Quite the reverse. If we don't project soft power, countries ideologically opposed to us will. If we really want to make a success of Brexit, we need to project even more power in the world, not less. We told the EU we are Big Boys now, so we better start acting like the Superpower the Brexiters told us we were. Apparently." You were doing oh so well and then got the Brexit Bashing hard-on. Shame. | |||
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"You were doing oh so well and then got the Brexit Bashing hard-on. Shame. " Lol ! I'm told that Remainers need to support Brexit. So it felt appropriate to say, "Well come on then, start projecting and acting like a Superpower. And Superpowers spend hard on soft-power. They don't let it go soft or flaccid.". | |||
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