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By *otMe66 OP Man
over a year ago
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What is the idea behind these alerts? what is it in place for, 30 - 32 is not a new thing and for a couple of days is baffling. Are we being bombarded with nanny state messages or is there something deeper that I'm missing? Alert below:
"The UK Health Security Agency's amber alert means people of all ages could be affected, putting the NHS at risk" |
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"What is the idea behind these alerts? what is it in place for, 30 - 32 is not a new thing and for a couple of days is baffling. Are we being bombarded with nanny state messages or is there something deeper that I'm missing? Alert below:
"The UK Health Security Agency's amber alert means people of all ages could be affected, putting the NHS at risk""
Haven’t you answered your own question in the last para ? Heat places health systems under strain ….how is this nanny state ? Sensible alerting to plan and prepare. |
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By *otMe66 OP Man
over a year ago
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"What is the idea behind these alerts? what is it in place for, 30 - 32 is not a new thing and for a couple of days is baffling. Are we being bombarded with nanny state messages or is there something deeper that I'm missing? Alert below:
"The UK Health Security Agency's amber alert means people of all ages could be affected, putting the NHS at risk"
Haven’t you answered your own question in the last para ? Heat places health systems under strain ….how is this nanny state ? Sensible alerting to plan and prepare."
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"What is the idea behind these alerts? what is it in place for, 30 - 32 is not a new thing and for a couple of days is baffling. Are we being bombarded with nanny state messages or is there something deeper that I'm missing? Alert below:
"The UK Health Security Agency's amber alert means people of all ages could be affected, putting the NHS at risk"
Haven’t you answered your own question in the last para ? Heat places health systems under strain ….how is this nanny state ? Sensible alerting to plan and prepare."
Exactly that it's a warning to prepare if your working out in the heat take extra water etc. Not everybody acts sensible. And the NHS dose not need people turning up with dehydration etc. |
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By *otMe66 OP Man
over a year ago
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"What is the idea behind these alerts? what is it in place for, 30 - 32 is not a new thing and for a couple of days is baffling. Are we being bombarded with nanny state messages or is there something deeper that I'm missing? Alert below:
"The UK Health Security Agency's amber alert means people of all ages could be affected, putting the NHS at risk"
Haven’t you answered your own question in the last para ? Heat places health systems under strain ….how is this nanny state ? Sensible alerting to plan and prepare.
Exactly that it's a warning to prepare if your working out in the heat take extra water etc. Not everybody acts sensible. And the NHS dose not need people turning up with dehydration etc."
And the warning gave you and others that information?
How long has the NHS been at risk because the temperature was 30 - 32 degrees?
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"What is the idea behind these alerts? what is it in place for, 30 - 32 is not a new thing and for a couple of days is baffling. Are we being bombarded with nanny state messages or is there something deeper that I'm missing? Alert below:
"The UK Health Security Agency's amber alert means people of all ages could be affected, putting the NHS at risk"
Haven’t you answered your own question in the last para ? Heat places health systems under strain ….how is this nanny state ? Sensible alerting to plan and prepare.
Exactly that it's a warning to prepare if your working out in the heat take extra water etc. Not everybody acts sensible. And the NHS dose not need people turning up with dehydration etc.
And the warning gave you and others that information?
How long has the NHS been at risk because the temperature was 30 - 32 degrees?
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Yes, along with other info ….
Clearly additional strain on the nhs has always been evident during heatwaves …
Dont you think this is worthwhile and, if not, why ? |
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By *otMe66 OP Man
over a year ago
Terra Firma |
"What is the idea behind these alerts? what is it in place for, 30 - 32 is not a new thing and for a couple of days is baffling. Are we being bombarded with nanny state messages or is there something deeper that I'm missing? Alert below:
"The UK Health Security Agency's amber alert means people of all ages could be affected, putting the NHS at risk"
Haven’t you answered your own question in the last para ? Heat places health systems under strain ….how is this nanny state ? Sensible alerting to plan and prepare.
Exactly that it's a warning to prepare if your working out in the heat take extra water etc. Not everybody acts sensible. And the NHS dose not need people turning up with dehydration etc.
And the warning gave you and others that information?
How long has the NHS been at risk because the temperature was 30 - 32 degrees?
Yes, along with other info ….
Clearly additional strain on the nhs has always been evident during heatwaves …
Dont you think this is worthwhile and, if not, why ? "
30 degrees for 2 days and the NHS is at risk, if it is that vulnerable it is time to pull the plug on it.
You might need to be told what to do and looking after by the state, I certainly don't for 2 days of sunshine, that is embarrassing. |
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"What is the idea behind these alerts? what is it in place for, 30 - 32 is not a new thing and for a couple of days is baffling. Are we being bombarded with nanny state messages or is there something deeper that I'm missing? Alert below:
"The UK Health Security Agency's amber alert means people of all ages could be affected, putting the NHS at risk"
Haven’t you answered your own question in the last para ? Heat places health systems under strain ….how is this nanny state ? Sensible alerting to plan and prepare.
Exactly that it's a warning to prepare if your working out in the heat take extra water etc. Not everybody acts sensible. And the NHS dose not need people turning up with dehydration etc.
And the warning gave you and others that information?
How long has the NHS been at risk because the temperature was 30 - 32 degrees?
Yes, along with other info ….
Clearly additional strain on the nhs has always been evident during heatwaves …
Dont you think this is worthwhile and, if not, why ?
30 degrees for 2 days and the NHS is at risk, if it is that vulnerable it is time to pull the plug on it.
You might need to be told what to do and looking after by the state, I certainly don't for 2 days of sunshine, that is embarrassing."
Well that’s good for you …such an independent chap  ! Shame this independence doesn’t give you the foresight that others may be vulnerable, systems may not be fully resilient to additional pressures (such as those bought in by heat stress) and we see additional mortality during such spells …
It’s likely to be more than 2 days …we’ve already had at least that…. |
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over a year ago
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"What is the idea behind these alerts? what is it in place for, 30 - 32 is not a new thing and for a couple of days is baffling. Are we being bombarded with nanny state messages or is there something deeper that I'm missing? Alert below:
"The UK Health Security Agency's amber alert means people of all ages could be affected, putting the NHS at risk"
Haven’t you answered your own question in the last para ? Heat places health systems under strain ….how is this nanny state ? Sensible alerting to plan and prepare.
Exactly that it's a warning to prepare if your working out in the heat take extra water etc. Not everybody acts sensible. And the NHS dose not need people turning up with dehydration etc.
And the warning gave you and others that information?
How long has the NHS been at risk because the temperature was 30 - 32 degrees?
Yes, along with other info ….
Clearly additional strain on the nhs has always been evident during heatwaves …
Dont you think this is worthwhile and, if not, why ?
30 degrees for 2 days and the NHS is at risk, if it is that vulnerable it is time to pull the plug on it.
You might need to be told what to do and looking after by the state, I certainly don't for 2 days of sunshine, that is embarrassing."
Mate. They’re just saying make sure you drink water. |
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"What is the idea behind these alerts? what is it in place for, 30 - 32 is not a new thing and for a couple of days is baffling. Are we being bombarded with nanny state messages or is there something deeper that I'm missing? Alert below:
"The UK Health Security Agency's amber alert means people of all ages could be affected, putting the NHS at risk"
Haven’t you answered your own question in the last para ? Heat places health systems under strain ….how is this nanny state ? Sensible alerting to plan and prepare.
Exactly that it's a warning to prepare if your working out in the heat take extra water etc. Not everybody acts sensible. And the NHS dose not need people turning up with dehydration etc.
And the warning gave you and others that information?
How long has the NHS been at risk because the temperature was 30 - 32 degrees?
Yes, along with other info ….
Clearly additional strain on the nhs has always been evident during heatwaves …
Dont you think this is worthwhile and, if not, why ?
30 degrees for 2 days and the NHS is at risk, if it is that vulnerable it is time to pull the plug on it.
You might need to be told what to do and looking after by the state, I certainly don't for 2 days of sunshine, that is embarrassing.
Mate. They’re just saying make sure you drink water. "
If you say so ….matey |
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"All I can say is it to hot for me don't like it at all.
Don't worry and whatever you do, do not call or visit your local NHS, they are at risk of being overwhelmed
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And vote Tory for more NHS support. |
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"All I can say is it to hot for me don't like it at all.
Don't worry and whatever you do, do not call or visit your local NHS, they are at risk of being overwhelmed
And vote Tory for more NHS support. "
Or vote Labour to get the same result. If you don't believe me ask Wes Streeting  |
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over a year ago
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"All I can say is it to hot for me don't like it at all.
Don't worry and whatever you do, do not call or visit your local NHS, they are at risk of being overwhelmed
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It is pretty idiotic and wasteful to get yourself dehydrated and go the A&E isn’t it? Surely we can agree on that much? |
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By *abioMan
over a year ago
Newcastle and Gateshead |
"What is the idea behind these alerts? what is it in place for, 30 - 32 is not a new thing and for a couple of days is baffling. Are we being bombarded with nanny state messages or is there something deeper that I'm missing? Alert below:
"The UK Health Security Agency's amber alert means people of all ages could be affected, putting the NHS at risk""
Actually the UK is late to this particular party…. Most countries in Europe and North America have had these sorts of weather related advisories in place for ages…. |
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"Complete waste of time. 30 degrees is not particularly hot. Nor will the heat last for a long time.
Another example of the nanny state trying to control by fear."
Really ?
Not long ? 30c not hot ?
Who are they trying to control through this ?
Careful of those conspiracies !!! |
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"What is the idea behind these alerts? what is it in place for, 30 - 32 is not a new thing and for a couple of days is baffling. Are we being bombarded with nanny state messages or is there something deeper that I'm missing? Alert below:
"The UK Health Security Agency's amber alert means people of all ages could be affected, putting the NHS at risk"
Actually the UK is late to this particular party…. Most countries in Europe and North America have had these sorts of weather related advisories in place for ages…."
lol true we get alerts for severe weather. It's very helpful. That and the amber alerts. |
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By *otMe66 OP Man
over a year ago
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"What is the idea behind these alerts? what is it in place for, 30 - 32 is not a new thing and for a couple of days is baffling. Are we being bombarded with nanny state messages or is there something deeper that I'm missing? Alert below:
"The UK Health Security Agency's amber alert means people of all ages could be affected, putting the NHS at risk"
Actually the UK is late to this particular party…. Most countries in Europe and North America have had these sorts of weather related advisories in place for ages…."
I have no problem with alerts for things that the population should be aware such as a severe event, mentioned by blu.
Do you think 30 degrees for a couple of days is a severe event?
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By *otMe66 OP Man
over a year ago
Terra Firma |
"All I can say is it to hot for me don't like it at all.
Don't worry and whatever you do, do not call or visit your local NHS, they are at risk of being overwhelmed
It is pretty idiotic and wasteful to get yourself dehydrated and go the A&E isn’t it? Surely we can agree on that much? "
Oh dear, some of the responses here! I'm starting to think I was wrong, we do need these warnings for an awful lot of people in this country. |
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By *otMe66 OP Man
over a year ago
Terra Firma |
"All I can say is it to hot for me don't like it at all.
Don't worry and whatever you do, do not call or visit your local NHS, they are at risk of being overwhelmed
And vote Tory for more NHS support. "
What was the point in that post?
Raining outside today, vote tory for more floods.
It's nearly the weekend, vote tory for more working days.
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over a year ago
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"All I can say is it to hot for me don't like it at all.
Don't worry and whatever you do, do not call or visit your local NHS, they are at risk of being overwhelmed
It is pretty idiotic and wasteful to get yourself dehydrated and go the A&E isn’t it? Surely we can agree on that much?
Oh dear, some of the responses here! I'm starting to think I was wrong, we do need these warnings for an awful lot of people in this country. "
Do you disagree that dehydration is a self inflicted incident that places unnecessarily work on the NHS? And that if a simple warning can help to prevent it - that’s better than the alternative, right?
I’m really not sure what your point is. |
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By *otMe66 OP Man
over a year ago
Terra Firma |
"All I can say is it to hot for me don't like it at all.
Don't worry and whatever you do, do not call or visit your local NHS, they are at risk of being overwhelmed
It is pretty idiotic and wasteful to get yourself dehydrated and go the A&E isn’t it? Surely we can agree on that much?
Oh dear, some of the responses here! I'm starting to think I was wrong, we do need these warnings for an awful lot of people in this country.
Do you disagree that dehydration is a self inflicted incident that places unnecessarily work on the NHS? And that if a simple warning can help to prevent it - that’s better than the alternative, right?
I’m really not sure what your point is. "
I know you don't, that is why I have changed my mind on the warnings. |
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"All I can say is it to hot for me don't like it at all.
Don't worry and whatever you do, do not call or visit your local NHS, they are at risk of being overwhelmed
It is pretty idiotic and wasteful to get yourself dehydrated and go the A&E isn’t it? Surely we can agree on that much?
Oh dear, some of the responses here! I'm starting to think I was wrong, we do need these warnings for an awful lot of people in this country.
Do you disagree that dehydration is a self inflicted incident that places unnecessarily work on the NHS? And that if a simple warning can help to prevent it - that’s better than the alternative, right?
I’m really not sure what your point is.
I know you don't, that is why I have changed my mind on the warnings."
Don't forget to drink water today mate. I know you need reminding |
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"All I can say is it to hot for me don't like it at all.
Don't worry and whatever you do, do not call or visit your local NHS, they are at risk of being overwhelmed
And vote Tory for more NHS support.
What was the point in that post?
Raining outside today, vote tory for more floods.
It's nearly the weekend, vote tory for more working days.
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Excellent.
Whatever happens, just make sure to vote Tory. Crumbling NHS, more climate change, more ways to crush working class people. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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Ricky Gervais did a good skit on people getting unnecessarily angry - referencing an advert for guitar lessons - “BUT I DON’T WANT GUITAR LESSONS!!!!!”
If you’re the sort of person who drinks lots of water, works in an air conditioned office etc, the warnings aren’t for you. Let them go |
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By *otMe66 OP Man
over a year ago
Terra Firma |
"All I can say is it to hot for me don't like it at all.
Don't worry and whatever you do, do not call or visit your local NHS, they are at risk of being overwhelmed
It is pretty idiotic and wasteful to get yourself dehydrated and go the A&E isn’t it? Surely we can agree on that much?
Oh dear, some of the responses here! I'm starting to think I was wrong, we do need these warnings for an awful lot of people in this country.
Do you disagree that dehydration is a self inflicted incident that places unnecessarily work on the NHS? And that if a simple warning can help to prevent it - that’s better than the alternative, right?
I’m really not sure what your point is.
I know you don't, that is why I have changed my mind on the warnings.
Don't forget to drink water today mate. I know you need reminding "
Thanks for that reminder, that was close, I nearly forgot to take a drink.
You saved me  |
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"What is the idea behind these alerts? what is it in place for, 30 - 32 is not a new thing and for a couple of days is baffling. Are we being bombarded with nanny state messages or is there something deeper that I'm missing? Alert below:
"The UK Health Security Agency's amber alert means people of all ages could be affected, putting the NHS at risk"
Actually the UK is late to this particular party…. Most countries in Europe and North America have had these sorts of weather related advisories in place for ages….
I have no problem with alerts for things that the population should be aware such as a severe event, mentioned by blu.
Do you think 30 degrees for a couple of days is a severe event?
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By definition it is an event which can cause harms to the population.
This event is pretty rare (for September especially ) and the fact that you don’t appear to think it is highlights how used to the fact that the climate is warming rapidly (rising baseline syndrome). |
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"What is the idea behind these alerts? what is it in place for, 30 - 32 is not a new thing and for a couple of days is baffling. Are we being bombarded with nanny state messages or is there something deeper that I'm missing? Alert below:
"The UK Health Security Agency's amber alert means people of all ages could be affected, putting the NHS at risk"
Actually the UK is late to this particular party…. Most countries in Europe and North America have had these sorts of weather related advisories in place for ages….
I have no problem with alerts for things that the population should be aware such as a severe event, mentioned by blu.
Do you think 30 degrees for a couple of days is a severe event?
By definition it is an event which can cause harms to the population.
This event is pretty rare (for September especially ) and the fact that you don’t appear to think it is highlights how used to the fact that the climate is warming rapidly (rising baseline syndrome). "
We've hit 30 degrees in September in 3 of the last years. It's not exactly rare. |
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"Do you think 30 degrees for a couple of days is a severe event?"
"By definition it is an event which can cause harms to the population."
Rain causes harm to the population. It makes the roads wet, and accident rates increase. Do we need an alert for that too? |
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"Do you think 30 degrees for a couple of days is a severe event?
By definition it is an event which can cause harms to the population.
Rain causes harm to the population. It makes the roads wet, and accident rates increase. Do we need an alert for that too?"
In extreme cases, an alert would be welcomed, yes. |
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By *abioMan
over a year ago
Newcastle and Gateshead |
"What is the idea behind these alerts? what is it in place for, 30 - 32 is not a new thing and for a couple of days is baffling. Are we being bombarded with nanny state messages or is there something deeper that I'm missing? Alert below:
"The UK Health Security Agency's amber alert means people of all ages could be affected, putting the NHS at risk"
Actually the UK is late to this particular party…. Most countries in Europe and North America have had these sorts of weather related advisories in place for ages….
I have no problem with alerts for things that the population should be aware such as a severe event, mentioned by blu.
Do you think 30 degrees for a couple of days is a severe event?
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I think the technical phrasing is that anything move that 10 degrees above the average summer temperature is an advisory/amber
Anything more than 15 degrees above the average summer temperature is an extreme/warning event |
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By *abioMan
over a year ago
Newcastle and Gateshead |
"Do you think 30 degrees for a couple of days is a severe event?
By definition it is an event which can cause harms to the population.
Rain causes harm to the population. It makes the roads wet, and accident rates increase. Do we need an alert for that too?
In extreme cases, an alert would be welcomed, yes."
We already kinda get rain warning event warnings as in flooding alerts from rising rivers…
But Yes… flash flooding event…. There should be warnings |
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"What is the idea behind these alerts? what is it in place for, 30 - 32 is not a new thing and for a couple of days is baffling. Are we being bombarded with nanny state messages or is there something deeper that I'm missing? Alert below:
"The UK Health Security Agency's amber alert means people of all ages could be affected, putting the NHS at risk"
Actually the UK is late to this particular party…. Most countries in Europe and North America have had these sorts of weather related advisories in place for ages….
I have no problem with alerts for things that the population should be aware such as a severe event, mentioned by blu.
Do you think 30 degrees for a couple of days is a severe event?
By definition it is an event which can cause harms to the population.
This event is pretty rare (for September especially ) and the fact that you don’t appear to think it is highlights how used to the fact that the climate is warming rapidly (rising baseline syndrome).
We've hit 30 degrees in September in 3 of the last years. It's not exactly rare. "
Yes, do you notice a trend, 30c in September is historically unusual….and we’ve never had this many 30c days in September (and consecutively) …. |
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"Do you think 30 degrees for a couple of days is a severe event?
By definition it is an event which can cause harms to the population.
Rain causes harm to the population. It makes the roads wet, and accident rates increase. Do we need an alert for that too?"
Yes…and we have alerts and warnings for that ! Both in terms of earnings for road users and flooding …. |
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"No alerts needed, it will just see Darwinism take its course."
Yeah ….but this is also about the vulnerable in society. Too many here are just thinking of themselves (‘I don’t need an alert, why should anyone else ?’). |
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"What is the idea behind these alerts? what is it in place for, 30 - 32 is not a new thing and for a couple of days is baffling. Are we being bombarded with nanny state messages or is there something deeper that I'm missing? Alert below:
"The UK Health Security Agency's amber alert means people of all ages could be affected, putting the NHS at risk"
Actually the UK is late to this particular party…. Most countries in Europe and North America have had these sorts of weather related advisories in place for ages….
I have no problem with alerts for things that the population should be aware such as a severe event, mentioned by blu.
Do you think 30 degrees for a couple of days is a severe event?
By definition it is an event which can cause harms to the population.
This event is pretty rare (for September especially ) and the fact that you don’t appear to think it is highlights how used to the fact that the climate is warming rapidly (rising baseline syndrome).
We've hit 30 degrees in September in 3 of the last years. It's not exactly rare.
Yes, do you notice a trend, 30c in September is historically unusual….and we’ve never had this many 30c days in September (and consecutively) …."
It reached 35c in September 1906.
You should research other years. It's fare from rare |
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"What is the idea behind these alerts? what is it in place for, 30 - 32 is not a new thing and for a couple of days is baffling. Are we being bombarded with nanny state messages or is there something deeper that I'm missing? Alert below:
"The UK Health Security Agency's amber alert means people of all ages could be affected, putting the NHS at risk"
Actually the UK is late to this particular party…. Most countries in Europe and North America have had these sorts of weather related advisories in place for ages….
I have no problem with alerts for things that the population should be aware such as a severe event, mentioned by blu.
Do you think 30 degrees for a couple of days is a severe event?
By definition it is an event which can cause harms to the population.
This event is pretty rare (for September especially ) and the fact that you don’t appear to think it is highlights how used to the fact that the climate is warming rapidly (rising baseline syndrome).
We've hit 30 degrees in September in 3 of the last years. It's not exactly rare.
Yes, do you notice a trend, 30c in September is historically unusual….and we’ve never had this many 30c days in September (and consecutively) ….
It reached 35c in September 1906.
You should research other years. It's fare from rare "
Not sure if serious…. |
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"What is the idea behind these alerts? what is it in place for, 30 - 32 is not a new thing and for a couple of days is baffling. Are we being bombarded with nanny state messages or is there something deeper that I'm missing? Alert below:
"The UK Health Security Agency's amber alert means people of all ages could be affected, putting the NHS at risk"
Actually the UK is late to this particular party…. Most countries in Europe and North America have had these sorts of weather related advisories in place for ages….
I have no problem with alerts for things that the population should be aware such as a severe event, mentioned by blu.
Do you think 30 degrees for a couple of days is a severe event?
By definition it is an event which can cause harms to the population.
This event is pretty rare (for September especially ) and the fact that you don’t appear to think it is highlights how used to the fact that the climate is warming rapidly (rising baseline syndrome).
We've hit 30 degrees in September in 3 of the last years. It's not exactly rare.
Yes, do you notice a trend, 30c in September is historically unusual….and we’ve never had this many 30c days in September (and consecutively) ….
It reached 35c in September 1906.
You should research other years. It's far from rare
Not sure if serious…."
About what? Have I got anything factually incorrect? |
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"What is the idea behind these alerts? what is it in place for, 30 - 32 is not a new thing and for a couple of days is baffling. Are we being bombarded with nanny state messages or is there something deeper that I'm missing? Alert below:
"The UK Health Security Agency's amber alert means people of all ages could be affected, putting the NHS at risk"
Actually the UK is late to this particular party…. Most countries in Europe and North America have had these sorts of weather related advisories in place for ages….
I have no problem with alerts for things that the population should be aware such as a severe event, mentioned by blu.
Do you think 30 degrees for a couple of days is a severe event?
By definition it is an event which can cause harms to the population.
This event is pretty rare (for September especially ) and the fact that you don’t appear to think it is highlights how used to the fact that the climate is warming rapidly (rising baseline syndrome).
We've hit 30 degrees in September in 3 of the last years. It's not exactly rare.
Yes, do you notice a trend, 30c in September is historically unusual….and we’ve never had this many 30c days in September (and consecutively) ….
It reached 35c in September 1906.
You should research other years. It's fare from rare "
That’s one year. Tell me how often 30c is reached in all years. It’s infrequent. And never on 6 or 7 consecutive days, with mins around 20c. |
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By *otMe66 OP Man
over a year ago
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"What is the idea behind these alerts? what is it in place for, 30 - 32 is not a new thing and for a couple of days is baffling. Are we being bombarded with nanny state messages or is there something deeper that I'm missing? Alert below:
"The UK Health Security Agency's amber alert means people of all ages could be affected, putting the NHS at risk"
Actually the UK is late to this particular party…. Most countries in Europe and North America have had these sorts of weather related advisories in place for ages….
I have no problem with alerts for things that the population should be aware such as a severe event, mentioned by blu.
Do you think 30 degrees for a couple of days is a severe event?
By definition it is an event which can cause harms to the population.
This event is pretty rare (for September especially ) and the fact that you don’t appear to think it is highlights how used to the fact that the climate is warming rapidly (rising baseline syndrome).
We've hit 30 degrees in September in 3 of the last years. It's not exactly rare.
Yes, do you notice a trend, 30c in September is historically unusual….and we’ve never had this many 30c days in September (and consecutively) ….
It reached 35c in September 1906.
You should research other years. It's fare from rare
That’s one year. Tell me how often 30c is reached in all years. It’s infrequent. And never on 6 or 7 consecutive days, with mins around 20c. "
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"What is the idea behind these alerts? what is it in place for, 30 - 32 is not a new thing and for a couple of days is baffling. Are we being bombarded with nanny state messages or is there something deeper that I'm missing? Alert below:
"The UK Health Security Agency's amber alert means people of all ages could be affected, putting the NHS at risk"
Actually the UK is late to this particular party…. Most countries in Europe and North America have had these sorts of weather related advisories in place for ages….
I have no problem with alerts for things that the population should be aware such as a severe event, mentioned by blu.
Do you think 30 degrees for a couple of days is a severe event?
By definition it is an event which can cause harms to the population.
This event is pretty rare (for September especially ) and the fact that you don’t appear to think it is highlights how used to the fact that the climate is warming rapidly (rising baseline syndrome).
We've hit 30 degrees in September in 3 of the last years. It's not exactly rare.
Yes, do you notice a trend, 30c in September is historically unusual….and we’ve never had this many 30c days in September (and consecutively) ….
It reached 35c in September 1906.
You should research other years. It's fare from rare
That’s one year. Tell me how often 30c is reached in all years. It’s infrequent. And never on 6 or 7 consecutive days, with mins around 20c. "
1906, 1911, 1929. Those are from 100 years ago. You won't be convinced but I urge you to research.
I'm not gonna gospend all my time searching for something you can easily do yourself. |
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By *otMe66 OP Man
over a year ago
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"No alerts needed, it will just see Darwinism take its course.
Yeah ….but this is also about the vulnerable in society. Too many here are just thinking of themselves (‘I don’t need an alert, why should anyone else ?’). "
Some people would rather think for themselves, is a better way of writing that, I feel |
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over a year ago
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"What is the idea behind these alerts? what is it in place for, 30 - 32 is not a new thing and for a couple of days is baffling. Are we being bombarded with nanny state messages or is there something deeper that I'm missing? Alert below:
"The UK Health Security Agency's amber alert means people of all ages could be affected, putting the NHS at risk"
Actually the UK is late to this particular party…. Most countries in Europe and North America have had these sorts of weather related advisories in place for ages….
I have no problem with alerts for things that the population should be aware such as a severe event, mentioned by blu.
Do you think 30 degrees for a couple of days is a severe event?
By definition it is an event which can cause harms to the population.
This event is pretty rare (for September especially ) and the fact that you don’t appear to think it is highlights how used to the fact that the climate is warming rapidly (rising baseline syndrome).
We've hit 30 degrees in September in 3 of the last years. It's not exactly rare.
Yes, do you notice a trend, 30c in September is historically unusual….and we’ve never had this many 30c days in September (and consecutively) ….
It reached 35c in September 1906.
You should research other years. It's far from rare
Not sure if serious….
About what? Have I got anything factually incorrect?"
No I just know you like data.
Picking 1 year out and saying there was a hot day then doesn’t argue the undeniable evidence that we’re seeing more and more hot weather, more regularly than before. |
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"No alerts needed, it will just see Darwinism take its course.
Yeah ….but this is also about the vulnerable in society. Too many here are just thinking of themselves (‘I don’t need an alert, why should anyone else ?’).
Some people would rather think for themselves, is a better way of writing that, I feel"
It’s a really silly think to get worked up about though, right?
‘How dare they tell us it’s gonna be hot?’ |
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"What is the idea behind these alerts? what is it in place for, 30 - 32 is not a new thing and for a couple of days is baffling. Are we being bombarded with nanny state messages or is there something deeper that I'm missing? Alert below:
"The UK Health Security Agency's amber alert means people of all ages could be affected, putting the NHS at risk"
Actually the UK is late to this particular party…. Most countries in Europe and North America have had these sorts of weather related advisories in place for ages….
I have no problem with alerts for things that the population should be aware such as a severe event, mentioned by blu.
Do you think 30 degrees for a couple of days is a severe event?
By definition it is an event which can cause harms to the population.
This event is pretty rare (for September especially ) and the fact that you don’t appear to think it is highlights how used to the fact that the climate is warming rapidly (rising baseline syndrome).
We've hit 30 degrees in September in 3 of the last years. It's not exactly rare.
Yes, do you notice a trend, 30c in September is historically unusual….and we’ve never had this many 30c days in September (and consecutively) ….
It reached 35c in September 1906.
You should research other years. It's far from rare
Not sure if serious….
About what? Have I got anything factually incorrect?
No I just know you like data.
Picking 1 year out and saying there was a hot day then doesn’t argue the undeniable evidence that we’re seeing more and more hot weather, more regularly than before. "
I initially gave 3 years, then an extra 1, now another 2. That's 6 years. I haven't argued the globe isn't warming up. Its weird how you read things |
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over a year ago
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"What is the idea behind these alerts? what is it in place for, 30 - 32 is not a new thing and for a couple of days is baffling. Are we being bombarded with nanny state messages or is there something deeper that I'm missing? Alert below:
"The UK Health Security Agency's amber alert means people of all ages could be affected, putting the NHS at risk"
Actually the UK is late to this particular party…. Most countries in Europe and North America have had these sorts of weather related advisories in place for ages….
I have no problem with alerts for things that the population should be aware such as a severe event, mentioned by blu.
Do you think 30 degrees for a couple of days is a severe event?
By definition it is an event which can cause harms to the population.
This event is pretty rare (for September especially ) and the fact that you don’t appear to think it is highlights how used to the fact that the climate is warming rapidly (rising baseline syndrome).
We've hit 30 degrees in September in 3 of the last years. It's not exactly rare.
Yes, do you notice a trend, 30c in September is historically unusual….and we’ve never had this many 30c days in September (and consecutively) ….
It reached 35c in September 1906.
You should research other years. It's far from rare
Not sure if serious….
About what? Have I got anything factually incorrect?
No I just know you like data.
Picking 1 year out and saying there was a hot day then doesn’t argue the undeniable evidence that we’re seeing more and more hot weather, more regularly than before.
I initially gave 3 years, then an extra 1, now another 2. That's 6 years. I haven't argued the globe isn't warming up. Its weird how you read things "
Cool. 6 years in the past 100+
I’m genuinely confused then about what point you’re trying to make. |
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"What is the idea behind these alerts? what is it in place for, 30 - 32 is not a new thing and for a couple of days is baffling. Are we being bombarded with nanny state messages or is there something deeper that I'm missing? Alert below:
"The UK Health Security Agency's amber alert means people of all ages could be affected, putting the NHS at risk"
Actually the UK is late to this particular party…. Most countries in Europe and North America have had these sorts of weather related advisories in place for ages….
I have no problem with alerts for things that the population should be aware such as a severe event, mentioned by blu.
Do you think 30 degrees for a couple of days is a severe event?
By definition it is an event which can cause harms to the population.
This event is pretty rare (for September especially ) and the fact that you don’t appear to think it is highlights how used to the fact that the climate is warming rapidly (rising baseline syndrome).
We've hit 30 degrees in September in 3 of the last years. It's not exactly rare.
Yes, do you notice a trend, 30c in September is historically unusual….and we’ve never had this many 30c days in September (and consecutively) ….
It reached 35c in September 1906.
You should research other years. It's far from rare
Not sure if serious….
About what? Have I got anything factually incorrect?
No I just know you like data.
Picking 1 year out and saying there was a hot day then doesn’t argue the undeniable evidence that we’re seeing more and more hot weather, more regularly than before.
I initially gave 3 years, then an extra 1, now another 2. That's 6 years. I haven't argued the globe isn't warming up. Its weird how you read things
Cool. 6 years in the past 100+
I’m genuinely confused then about what point you’re trying to make."
I'll say the same to you that I've said to the other poster. Go and do some research. 30c temperatures in September isn't rare.
If you'd have read my posts, you'd know that was my point. |
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By *otMe66 OP Man
over a year ago
Terra Firma |
"No alerts needed, it will just see Darwinism take its course.
Yeah ….but this is also about the vulnerable in society. Too many here are just thinking of themselves (‘I don’t need an alert, why should anyone else ?’).
Some people would rather think for themselves, is a better way of writing that, I feel
It’s a really silly think to get worked up about though, right?
‘How dare they tell us it’s gonna be hot?’"
I’m not wound up about, I was baffled as I’ve said.
Repeating myself, I’m no longer baffled after the responses on here, all good and can definitely see the benefit in low level event monitoring |
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"No alerts needed, it will just see Darwinism take its course.
Yeah ….but this is also about the vulnerable in society. Too many here are just thinking of themselves (‘I don’t need an alert, why should anyone else ?’).
Some people would rather think for themselves, is a better way of writing that, I feel"
Or too many just think about themselves ? |
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"What is the idea behind these alerts? what is it in place for, 30 - 32 is not a new thing and for a couple of days is baffling. Are we being bombarded with nanny state messages or is there something deeper that I'm missing? Alert below:
"The UK Health Security Agency's amber alert means people of all ages could be affected, putting the NHS at risk"
Actually the UK is late to this particular party…. Most countries in Europe and North America have had these sorts of weather related advisories in place for ages….
I have no problem with alerts for things that the population should be aware such as a severe event, mentioned by blu.
Do you think 30 degrees for a couple of days is a severe event?
By definition it is an event which can cause harms to the population.
This event is pretty rare (for September especially ) and the fact that you don’t appear to think it is highlights how used to the fact that the climate is warming rapidly (rising baseline syndrome).
We've hit 30 degrees in September in 3 of the last years. It's not exactly rare.
Yes, do you notice a trend, 30c in September is historically unusual….and we’ve never had this many 30c days in September (and consecutively) ….
It reached 35c in September 1906.
You should research other years. It's fare from rare
That’s one year. Tell me how often 30c is reached in all years. It’s infrequent. And never on 6 or 7 consecutive days, with mins around 20c.
Not sure why anyone would go out of their way to supply you data for your questions. Have you got the info or not? "
I haven’t asked for the data but I assume you have researched this by your previous response and can back it up. I know where to get the data and I know it’s infrequent. And current spell is unprecedented. Hence the alerts. |
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By *otMe66 OP Man
over a year ago
Terra Firma |
"What is the idea behind these alerts? what is it in place for, 30 - 32 is not a new thing and for a couple of days is baffling. Are we being bombarded with nanny state messages or is there something deeper that I'm missing? Alert below:
"The UK Health Security Agency's amber alert means people of all ages could be affected, putting the NHS at risk"
Actually the UK is late to this particular party…. Most countries in Europe and North America have had these sorts of weather related advisories in place for ages….
I have no problem with alerts for things that the population should be aware such as a severe event, mentioned by blu.
Do you think 30 degrees for a couple of days is a severe event?
By definition it is an event which can cause harms to the population.
This event is pretty rare (for September especially ) and the fact that you don’t appear to think it is highlights how used to the fact that the climate is warming rapidly (rising baseline syndrome).
We've hit 30 degrees in September in 3 of the last years. It's not exactly rare.
Yes, do you notice a trend, 30c in September is historically unusual….and we’ve never had this many 30c days in September (and consecutively) ….
It reached 35c in September 1906.
You should research other years. It's fare from rare
That’s one year. Tell me how often 30c is reached in all years. It’s infrequent. And never on 6 or 7 consecutive days, with mins around 20c.
Not sure why anyone would go out of their way to supply you data for your questions. Have you got the info or not?
I haven’t asked for the data but I assume you have researched this by your previous response and can back it up. I know where to get the data and I know it’s infrequent. And current spell is unprecedented. Hence the alerts. "
Wrong person in terms of me doing the research….. |
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"What is the idea behind these alerts? what is it in place for, 30 - 32 is not a new thing and for a couple of days is baffling. Are we being bombarded with nanny state messages or is there something deeper that I'm missing? Alert below:
"The UK Health Security Agency's amber alert means people of all ages could be affected, putting the NHS at risk"
Actually the UK is late to this particular party…. Most countries in Europe and North America have had these sorts of weather related advisories in place for ages….
I have no problem with alerts for things that the population should be aware such as a severe event, mentioned by blu.
Do you think 30 degrees for a couple of days is a severe event?
By definition it is an event which can cause harms to the population.
This event is pretty rare (for September especially ) and the fact that you don’t appear to think it is highlights how used to the fact that the climate is warming rapidly (rising baseline syndrome).
We've hit 30 degrees in September in 3 of the last years. It's not exactly rare.
Yes, do you notice a trend, 30c in September is historically unusual….and we’ve never had this many 30c days in September (and consecutively) ….
It reached 35c in September 1906.
You should research other years. It's fare from rare
That’s one year. Tell me how often 30c is reached in all years. It’s infrequent. And never on 6 or 7 consecutive days, with mins around 20c.
Not sure why anyone would go out of their way to supply you data for your questions. Have you got the info or not?
I haven’t asked for the data but I assume you have researched this by your previous response and can back it up. I know where to get the data and I know it’s infrequent. And current spell is unprecedented. Hence the alerts.
Wrong person in terms of me doing the research….."
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"What is the idea behind these alerts? what is it in place for, 30 - 32 is not a new thing and for a couple of days is baffling. Are we being bombarded with nanny state messages or is there something deeper that I'm missing? Alert below:
"The UK Health Security Agency's amber alert means people of all ages could be affected, putting the NHS at risk"
Actually the UK is late to this particular party…. Most countries in Europe and North America have had these sorts of weather related advisories in place for ages….
I have no problem with alerts for things that the population should be aware such as a severe event, mentioned by blu.
Do you think 30 degrees for a couple of days is a severe event?
By definition it is an event which can cause harms to the population.
This event is pretty rare (for September especially ) and the fact that you don’t appear to think it is highlights how used to the fact that the climate is warming rapidly (rising baseline syndrome).
We've hit 30 degrees in September in 3 of the last years. It's not exactly rare.
Yes, do you notice a trend, 30c in September is historically unusual….and we’ve never had this many 30c days in September (and consecutively) ….
It reached 35c in September 1906.
You should research other years. It's fare from rare
That’s one year. Tell me how often 30c is reached in all years. It’s infrequent. And never on 6 or 7 consecutive days, with mins around 20c.
Not sure why anyone would go out of their way to supply you data for your questions. Have you got the info or not?
I haven’t asked for the data but I assume you have researched this by your previous response and can back it up. I know where to get the data and I know it’s infrequent. And current spell is unprecedented. Hence the alerts. "
Tell me, tell me....
That isn't asking for data?
If you know where to find it
3 of the last 4 years most defintely isn't infrequent.
Which word are you actually looking for because so far you've used rare, unprecedented and infrequent. All of which mean different things. |
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"What is the idea behind these alerts? what is it in place for, 30 - 32 is not a new thing and for a couple of days is baffling. Are we being bombarded with nanny state messages or is there something deeper that I'm missing? Alert below:
"The UK Health Security Agency's amber alert means people of all ages could be affected, putting the NHS at risk"
Actually the UK is late to this particular party…. Most countries in Europe and North America have had these sorts of weather related advisories in place for ages….
I have no problem with alerts for things that the population should be aware such as a severe event, mentioned by blu.
Do you think 30 degrees for a couple of days is a severe event?
By definition it is an event which can cause harms to the population.
This event is pretty rare (for September especially ) and the fact that you don’t appear to think it is highlights how used to the fact that the climate is warming rapidly (rising baseline syndrome).
We've hit 30 degrees in September in 3 of the last years. It's not exactly rare.
Yes, do you notice a trend, 30c in September is historically unusual….and we’ve never had this many 30c days in September (and consecutively) ….
It reached 35c in September 1906.
You should research other years. It's fare from rare
That’s one year. Tell me how often 30c is reached in all years. It’s infrequent. And never on 6 or 7 consecutive days, with mins around 20c.
Not sure why anyone would go out of their way to supply you data for your questions. Have you got the info or not?
I haven’t asked for the data but I assume you have researched this by your previous response and can back it up. I know where to get the data and I know it’s infrequent. And current spell is unprecedented. Hence the alerts.
Tell me, tell me....
That isn't asking for data?
If you know where to find it
3 of the last 4 years most defintely isn't infrequent.
Which word are you actually looking for because so far you've used rare, unprecedented and infrequent. All of which mean different things."
Dear me …I’ve used those words in the context of a range of meteorological extremes being observed, inc frequency, peak and duration.
I’ve asked for evidence of your assumptions. Simple really.
A random selection of hand picked stats doesn’t comprise a clear understanding of the frequency of such events; especially in a warming world. |
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"What is the idea behind these alerts? what is it in place for, 30 - 32 is not a new thing and for a couple of days is baffling. Are we being bombarded with nanny state messages or is there something deeper that I'm missing? Alert below:
"The UK Health Security Agency's amber alert means people of all ages could be affected, putting the NHS at risk"
Actually the UK is late to this particular party…. Most countries in Europe and North America have had these sorts of weather related advisories in place for ages….
I have no problem with alerts for things that the population should be aware such as a severe event, mentioned by blu.
Do you think 30 degrees for a couple of days is a severe event?
By definition it is an event which can cause harms to the population.
This event is pretty rare (for September especially ) and the fact that you don’t appear to think it is highlights how used to the fact that the climate is warming rapidly (rising baseline syndrome).
We've hit 30 degrees in September in 3 of the last years. It's not exactly rare.
Yes, do you notice a trend, 30c in September is historically unusual….and we’ve never had this many 30c days in September (and consecutively) ….
It reached 35c in September 1906.
You should research other years. It's fare from rare
That’s one year. Tell me how often 30c is reached in all years. It’s infrequent. And never on 6 or 7 consecutive days, with mins around 20c.
Not sure why anyone would go out of their way to supply you data for your questions. Have you got the info or not?
I haven’t asked for the data but I assume you have researched this by your previous response and can back it up. I know where to get the data and I know it’s infrequent. And current spell is unprecedented. Hence the alerts.
Tell me, tell me....
That isn't asking for data?
If you know where to find it
3 of the last 4 years most defintely isn't infrequent.
Which word are you actually looking for because so far you've used rare, unprecedented and infrequent. All of which mean different things.
Dear me …I’ve used those words in the context of a range of meteorological extremes being observed, inc frequency, peak and duration.
I’ve asked for evidence of your assumptions. Simple really.
A random selection of hand picked stats doesn’t comprise a clear understanding of the frequency of such events; especially in a warming world."
If something happens 3 times out of 4. Its not rare, I'll stick with that word as that's the one you chose to start with.
You can 'dear me' all you like, you won't tell me something is rare when recently it's been happening more often than not.
Maybe look up the definition of rare. |
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By *irldnCouple
over a year ago
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"Feisty are you picking fights on every thread today? 
Nah not me
Would you agree that something which has happened in 3 of the last 4 years would be classed as rare?"
No not rare on that scale but I would argue the data points are too close together to provide a meaningful trend. How many times over last 10yrs, 25yrs, 50yrs, 100yrs, 200yrs? |
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"Feisty are you picking fights on every thread today?
Nah not me
Would you agree that something which has happened in 3 of the last 4 years would be classed as rare?
No not rare on that scale but I would argue the data points are too close together to provide a meaningful trend. How many times over last 10yrs, 25yrs, 50yrs, 100yrs, 200yrs?"
That's the thing though isn't it. Go as far back as you can so that the data will suit whatever agenda you have (not you).
The main problem here is that particular poster blames just about most things on Climate change so very difficult to get him to actually look at anything that doesn't suit that narrative. |
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By *irldnCouple
over a year ago
Brighton |
"Feisty are you picking fights on every thread today?
Nah not me
Would you agree that something which has happened in 3 of the last 4 years would be classed as rare?
No not rare on that scale but I would argue the data points are too close together to provide a meaningful trend. How many times over last 10yrs, 25yrs, 50yrs, 100yrs, 200yrs?
That's the thing though isn't it. Go as far back as you can so that the data will suit whatever agenda you have (not you).
The main problem here is that particular poster blames just about most things on Climate change so very difficult to get him to actually look at anything that doesn't suit that narrative. "
Yes and er no though right? If we are talking about the frequency of an event occurring (+30c in Sept in UK) then a trend line will show whether it is getting more or less frequent? |
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"Feisty are you picking fights on every thread today?
Nah not me
Would you agree that something which has happened in 3 of the last 4 years would be classed as rare?
No not rare on that scale but I would argue the data points are too close together to provide a meaningful trend. How many times over last 10yrs, 25yrs, 50yrs, 100yrs, 200yrs?
That's the thing though isn't it. Go as far back as you can so that the data will suit whatever agenda you have (not you).
The main problem here is that particular poster blames just about most things on Climate change so very difficult to get him to actually look at anything that doesn't suit that narrative.
Yes and er no though right? If we are talking about the frequency of an event occurring (+30c in Sept in UK) then a trend line will show whether it is getting more or less frequent?"
It's quite clear it's getting more frequent and it's because of climate change. I don't argue that. I've only argued it's not a rare occurrence for it to be 30c in September. |
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By *eroy1000Man
over a year ago
milton keynes |
"What is the idea behind these alerts? what is it in place for, 30 - 32 is not a new thing and for a couple of days is baffling. Are we being bombarded with nanny state messages or is there something deeper that I'm missing? Alert below:
"The UK Health Security Agency's amber alert means people of all ages could be affected, putting the NHS at risk""
I suppose if they can show that issuing alerts like this significantly reduces associated admissions to the NHS then it's worth it though it shows a worry over common sense. If not then maybe just watch the weather forecast and act appropriately |
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"What is the idea behind these alerts? what is it in place for, 30 - 32 is not a new thing and for a couple of days is baffling. Are we being bombarded with nanny state messages or is there something deeper that I'm missing? Alert below:
"The UK Health Security Agency's amber alert means people of all ages could be affected, putting the NHS at risk"
Actually the UK is late to this particular party…. Most countries in Europe and North America have had these sorts of weather related advisories in place for ages….
I have no problem with alerts for things that the population should be aware such as a severe event, mentioned by blu.
Do you think 30 degrees for a couple of days is a severe event?
By definition it is an event which can cause harms to the population.
This event is pretty rare (for September especially ) and the fact that you don’t appear to think it is highlights how used to the fact that the climate is warming rapidly (rising baseline syndrome).
We've hit 30 degrees in September in 3 of the last years. It's not exactly rare.
Yes, do you notice a trend, 30c in September is historically unusual….and we’ve never had this many 30c days in September (and consecutively) ….
It reached 35c in September 1906.
You should research other years. It's fare from rare
That’s one year. Tell me how often 30c is reached in all years. It’s infrequent. And never on 6 or 7 consecutive days, with mins around 20c.
Not sure why anyone would go out of their way to supply you data for your questions. Have you got the info or not?
I haven’t asked for the data but I assume you have researched this by your previous response and can back it up. I know where to get the data and I know it’s infrequent. And current spell is unprecedented. Hence the alerts.
Tell me, tell me....
That isn't asking for data?
If you know where to find it
3 of the last 4 years most defintely isn't infrequent.
Which word are you actually looking for because so far you've used rare, unprecedented and infrequent. All of which mean different things.
Dear me …I’ve used those words in the context of a range of meteorological extremes being observed, inc frequency, peak and duration.
I’ve asked for evidence of your assumptions. Simple really.
A random selection of hand picked stats doesn’t comprise a clear understanding of the frequency of such events; especially in a warming world.
If something happens 3 times out of 4. Its not rare, I'll stick with that word as that's the one you chose to start with.
You can 'dear me' all you like, you won't tell me something is rare when recently it's been happening more often than not.
Maybe look up the definition of rare. "
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"What is the idea behind these alerts? what is it in place for, 30 - 32 is not a new thing and for a couple of days is baffling. Are we being bombarded with nanny state messages or is there something deeper that I'm missing? Alert below:
"The UK Health Security Agency's amber alert means people of all ages could be affected, putting the NHS at risk"
Actually the UK is late to this particular party…. Most countries in Europe and North America have had these sorts of weather related advisories in place for ages….
I have no problem with alerts for things that the population should be aware such as a severe event, mentioned by blu.
Do you think 30 degrees for a couple of days is a severe event?
By definition it is an event which can cause harms to the population.
This event is pretty rare (for September especially ) and the fact that you don’t appear to think it is highlights how used to the fact that the climate is warming rapidly (rising baseline syndrome).
We've hit 30 degrees in September in 3 of the last years. It's not exactly rare.
Yes, do you notice a trend, 30c in September is historically unusual….and we’ve never had this many 30c days in September (and consecutively) ….
It reached 35c in September 1906.
You should research other years. It's fare from rare
That’s one year. Tell me how often 30c is reached in all years. It’s infrequent. And never on 6 or 7 consecutive days, with mins around 20c.
Not sure why anyone would go out of their way to supply you data for your questions. Have you got the info or not?
I haven’t asked for the data but I assume you have researched this by your previous response and can back it up. I know where to get the data and I know it’s infrequent. And current spell is unprecedented. Hence the alerts.
Tell me, tell me....
That isn't asking for data?
If you know where to find it
3 of the last 4 years most defintely isn't infrequent.
Which word are you actually looking for because so far you've used rare, unprecedented and infrequent. All of which mean different things.
Dear me …I’ve used those words in the context of a range of meteorological extremes being observed, inc frequency, peak and duration.
I’ve asked for evidence of your assumptions. Simple really.
A random selection of hand picked stats doesn’t comprise a clear understanding of the frequency of such events; especially in a warming world.
If something happens 3 times out of 4. Its not rare, I'll stick with that word as that's the one you chose to start with.
You can 'dear me' all you like, you won't tell me something is rare when recently it's been happening more often than not.
Maybe look up the definition of rare. "
So when looking at stats which stretch back over 100 yrs, we take the last four to determine rarity !!! I’ll look forward to your stats paper justifying that …. |
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"Feisty are you picking fights on every thread today?
Nah not me
Would you agree that something which has happened in 3 of the last 4 years would be classed as rare?
No not rare on that scale but I would argue the data points are too close together to provide a meaningful trend. How many times over last 10yrs, 25yrs, 50yrs, 100yrs, 200yrs?
That's the thing though isn't it. Go as far back as you can so that the data will suit whatever agenda you have (not you).
The main problem here is that particular poster blames just about most things on Climate change so very difficult to get him to actually look at anything that doesn't suit that narrative. "
No, actually it is clear that climate is warming. The actual data shows that, it’s not a debate. All I’m asking is that the full data set is used to consider rarity, not partial or selected. It’s standard practise. |
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"What is the idea behind these alerts? what is it in place for, 30 - 32 is not a new thing and for a couple of days is baffling. Are we being bombarded with nanny state messages or is there something deeper that I'm missing? Alert below:
"The UK Health Security Agency's amber alert means people of all ages could be affected, putting the NHS at risk"
I suppose if they can show that issuing alerts like this significantly reduces associated admissions to the NHS then it's worth it though it shows a worry over common sense. If not then maybe just watch the weather forecast and act appropriately"
…this is to prepare organisations, support resourcing, ramp up preparations and in particular to support community response for vulnerable groups in particular. It is a conmen sense thing to do. ! |
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"Feisty are you picking fights on every thread today?
Nah not me
Would you agree that something which has happened in 3 of the last 4 years would be classed as rare?
No not rare on that scale but I would argue the data points are too close together to provide a meaningful trend. How many times over last 10yrs, 25yrs, 50yrs, 100yrs, 200yrs?
That's the thing though isn't it. Go as far back as you can so that the data will suit whatever agenda you have (not you).
The main problem here is that particular poster blames just about most things on Climate change so very difficult to get him to actually look at anything that doesn't suit that narrative.
No, actually it is clear that climate is warming. The actual data shows that, it’s not a debate. All I’m asking is that the full data set is used to consider rarity, not partial or selected. It’s standard practise. "
I haven't at any point argued the climate isn't warming.
It used to be rare to see these temperatures, not so much anymore
There is no dataset I can find so I'd have to compile it and honestly, can't be arsed. |
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"What is the idea behind these alerts? what is it in place for, 30 - 32 is not a new thing and for a couple of days is baffling. Are we being bombarded with nanny state messages or is there something deeper that I'm missing? Alert below:
"The UK Health Security Agency's amber alert means people of all ages could be affected, putting the NHS at risk"
Actually the UK is late to this particular party…. Most countries in Europe and North America have had these sorts of weather related advisories in place for ages….
I have no problem with alerts for things that the population should be aware such as a severe event, mentioned by blu.
Do you think 30 degrees for a couple of days is a severe event?
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Severe would be a red alert. |
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"What is the idea behind these alerts? what is it in place for, 30 - 32 is not a new thing and for a couple of days is baffling. Are we being bombarded with nanny state messages or is there something deeper that I'm missing? Alert below:
"The UK Health Security Agency's amber alert means people of all ages could be affected, putting the NHS at risk"
Actually the UK is late to this particular party…. Most countries in Europe and North America have had these sorts of weather related advisories in place for ages….
I have no problem with alerts for things that the population should be aware such as a severe event, mentioned by blu.
Do you think 30 degrees for a couple of days is a severe event?
Severe would be a red alert."
I see, a small event can become a red alert
Like red hot? Makes sense.
I’m glad we have departments setup to look after our citizens who need alerting to warmer or even hotter temperatures, the last thing we need is weather forecasts and the actual warmth of the day to go unnoticed.
People can then plan accordingly, maybe not go for the 5 mile run, or do the gardening as an example. |
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"Remember the government spent loads on the community alert system for scaremongering."
If that's what they want it for, they are doing a crap job. It's only ever been used once, and they told everyone in advance. Not much scaremongering going on there. |
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"What is the idea behind these alerts? what is it in place for, 30 - 32 is not a new thing and for a couple of days is baffling. Are we being bombarded with nanny state messages or is there something deeper that I'm missing? Alert below:
"The UK Health Security Agency's amber alert means people of all ages could be affected, putting the NHS at risk"
Actually the UK is late to this particular party…. Most countries in Europe and North America have had these sorts of weather related advisories in place for ages….
I have no problem with alerts for things that the population should be aware such as a severe event, mentioned by blu.
Do you think 30 degrees for a couple of days is a severe event?
Severe would be a red alert.
I see, a small event can become a red alert
Like red hot? Makes sense.
I’m glad we have departments setup to look after our citizens who need alerting to warmer or even hotter temperatures, the last thing we need is weather forecasts and the actual warmth of the day to go unnoticed.
People can then plan accordingly, maybe not go for the 5 mile run, or do the gardening as an example."
Fabio pointed out the grading system. I was just pointing out amber isn't severe.
Anyway, how did you get the alert? The only alert I read was your thread  |
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By *otMe66 OP Man
over a year ago
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"What is the idea behind these alerts? what is it in place for, 30 - 32 is not a new thing and for a couple of days is baffling. Are we being bombarded with nanny state messages or is there something deeper that I'm missing? Alert below:
"The UK Health Security Agency's amber alert means people of all ages could be affected, putting the NHS at risk"
Actually the UK is late to this particular party…. Most countries in Europe and North America have had these sorts of weather related advisories in place for ages….
I have no problem with alerts for things that the population should be aware such as a severe event, mentioned by blu.
Do you think 30 degrees for a couple of days is a severe event?
Severe would be a red alert.
I see, a small event can become a red alert
Like red hot? Makes sense.
I’m glad we have departments setup to look after our citizens who need alerting to warmer or even hotter temperatures, the last thing we need is weather forecasts and the actual warmth of the day to go unnoticed.
People can then plan accordingly, maybe not go for the 5 mile run, or do the gardening as an example.
Fabio pointed out the grading system. I was just pointing out amber isn't severe.
Anyway, how did you get the alert? The only alert I read was your thread "
Interesting, if amber isn’t severe, what is it for? I do think we should maybe have a wider gamut to alert on, it would cover anyone who might slip through the cracks of a solid amber to solid red.
On your other question:
I must be a public service provider and didn’t know it.
That is surely tax deductible, I will get onto my accountant first thing Monday morning.
Charitable status I think. |
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"What is the idea behind these alerts? what is it in place for, 30 - 32 is not a new thing and for a couple of days is baffling. Are we being bombarded with nanny state messages or is there something deeper that I'm missing? Alert below:
"The UK Health Security Agency's amber alert means people of all ages could be affected, putting the NHS at risk"
Actually the UK is late to this particular party…. Most countries in Europe and North America have had these sorts of weather related advisories in place for ages….
I have no problem with alerts for things that the population should be aware such as a severe event, mentioned by blu.
Do you think 30 degrees for a couple of days is a severe event?
Severe would be a red alert.
I see, a small event can become a red alert
Like red hot? Makes sense.
I’m glad we have departments setup to look after our citizens who need alerting to warmer or even hotter temperatures, the last thing we need is weather forecasts and the actual warmth of the day to go unnoticed.
People can then plan accordingly, maybe not go for the 5 mile run, or do the gardening as an example.
Fabio pointed out the grading system. I was just pointing out amber isn't severe.
Anyway, how did you get the alert? The only alert I read was your thread
Interesting, if amber isn’t severe, what is it for? I do think we should maybe have a wider gamut to alert on, it would cover anyone who might slip through the cracks of a solid amber to solid red.
On your other question:
I must be a public service provider and didn’t know it.
That is surely tax deductible, I will get onto my accountant first thing Monday morning.
Charitable status I think. "
How did you get the alert? |
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By *otMe66 OP Man
over a year ago
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"What is the idea behind these alerts? what is it in place for, 30 - 32 is not a new thing and for a couple of days is baffling. Are we being bombarded with nanny state messages or is there something deeper that I'm missing? Alert below:
"The UK Health Security Agency's amber alert means people of all ages could be affected, putting the NHS at risk"
Actually the UK is late to this particular party…. Most countries in Europe and North America have had these sorts of weather related advisories in place for ages….
I have no problem with alerts for things that the population should be aware such as a severe event, mentioned by blu.
Do you think 30 degrees for a couple of days is a severe event?
Severe would be a red alert.
I see, a small event can become a red alert
Like red hot? Makes sense.
I’m glad we have departments setup to look after our citizens who need alerting to warmer or even hotter temperatures, the last thing we need is weather forecasts and the actual warmth of the day to go unnoticed.
People can then plan accordingly, maybe not go for the 5 mile run, or do the gardening as an example.
Fabio pointed out the grading system. I was just pointing out amber isn't severe.
Anyway, how did you get the alert? The only alert I read was your thread
Interesting, if amber isn’t severe, what is it for? I do think we should maybe have a wider gamut to alert on, it would cover anyone who might slip through the cracks of a solid amber to solid red.
On your other question:
I must be a public service provider and didn’t know it.
That is surely tax deductible, I will get onto my accountant first thing Monday morning.
Charitable status I think.
How did you get the alert?"
They are pushed onto us through the medium of news.
In todays news, we have an amber alert. I have also provide the amber alert so I feel I'm part of the solution, not the problem |
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"What is the idea behind these alerts? what is it in place for, 30 - 32 is not a new thing and for a couple of days is baffling. Are we being bombarded with nanny state messages or is there something deeper that I'm missing? Alert below:
"The UK Health Security Agency's amber alert means people of all ages could be affected, putting the NHS at risk"
Actually the UK is late to this particular party…. Most countries in Europe and North America have had these sorts of weather related advisories in place for ages….
I have no problem with alerts for things that the population should be aware such as a severe event, mentioned by blu.
Do you think 30 degrees for a couple of days is a severe event?
Severe would be a red alert.
I see, a small event can become a red alert
Like red hot? Makes sense.
I’m glad we have departments setup to look after our citizens who need alerting to warmer or even hotter temperatures, the last thing we need is weather forecasts and the actual warmth of the day to go unnoticed.
People can then plan accordingly, maybe not go for the 5 mile run, or do the gardening as an example.
Fabio pointed out the grading system. I was just pointing out amber isn't severe.
Anyway, how did you get the alert? The only alert I read was your thread
Interesting, if amber isn’t severe, what is it for? I do think we should maybe have a wider gamut to alert on, it would cover anyone who might slip through the cracks of a solid amber to solid red.
On your other question:
I must be a public service provider and didn’t know it.
That is surely tax deductible, I will get onto my accountant first thing Monday morning.
Charitable status I think.
How did you get the alert?
They are pushed onto us through the medium of news.
In todays news, we have an amber alert. I have also provide the amber alert so I feel I'm part of the solution, not the problem "
Oh ok, I think they probably go over my head. Obviously a red weather alert I take note of. |
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"What is the idea behind these alerts? what is it in place for, 30 - 32 is not a new thing and for a couple of days is baffling. Are we being bombarded with nanny state messages or is there something deeper that I'm missing? Alert below:
"The UK Health Security Agency's amber alert means people of all ages could be affected, putting the NHS at risk""
No mystery here, the message here is simple.
Look! It’s hot, don’t do anything stupid, due to massive cuts because we wanted to shrink the state, we’ve cut so much that your NHS would get overwhelmed if someone stubs their toe, let alone hundreds of people getting heat exhaustion.
We appreciate the irony that us sending messages could be considered as a “nanny state” activity. But we need to look like we care, so at least some of the few voters who still support us can blame someone else because they did not “heed the message”. So there is nothing to see here, for those who can afford private healthcare can ignore this message, knock yourself out, I doubt there isn’t a problem with a lack of empty beds. |
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"What is the idea behind these alerts? what is it in place for, 30 - 32 is not a new thing and for a couple of days is baffling. Are we being bombarded with nanny state messages or is there something deeper that I'm missing? Alert below:
"The UK Health Security Agency's amber alert means people of all ages could be affected, putting the NHS at risk"
No mystery here, the message here is simple.
Look! It’s hot, don’t do anything stupid, due to massive cuts because we wanted to shrink the state, we’ve cut so much that your NHS would get overwhelmed if someone stubs their toe, let alone hundreds of people getting heat exhaustion.
We appreciate the irony that us sending messages could be considered as a “nanny state” activity. But we need to look like we care, so at least some of the few voters who still support us can blame someone else because they did not “heed the message”. So there is nothing to see here, for those who can afford private healthcare can ignore this message, knock yourself out, I doubt there isn’t a problem with a lack of empty beds. "
I see what you did there, you pretended to be the thing you despise, I like it but I'm not sure the message came through.
What is your point, exactly? |
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"What is the idea behind these alerts? what is it in place for, 30 - 32 is not a new thing and for a couple of days is baffling. Are we being bombarded with nanny state messages or is there something deeper that I'm missing? Alert below:
"The UK Health Security Agency's amber alert means people of all ages could be affected, putting the NHS at risk"
No mystery here, the message here is simple.
Look! It’s hot, don’t do anything stupid, due to massive cuts because we wanted to shrink the state, we’ve cut so much that your NHS would get overwhelmed if someone stubs their toe, let alone hundreds of people getting heat exhaustion.
We appreciate the irony that us sending messages could be considered as a “nanny state” activity. But we need to look like we care, so at least some of the few voters who still support us can blame someone else because they did not “heed the message”. So there is nothing to see here, for those who can afford private healthcare can ignore this message, knock yourself out, I doubt there isn’t a problem with a lack of empty beds.
I see what you did there, you pretended to be the thing you despise, I like it but I'm not sure the message came through.
What is your point, exactly? "
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"What is the idea behind these alerts? what is it in place for, 30 - 32 is not a new thing and for a couple of days is baffling. Are we being bombarded with nanny state messages or is there something deeper that I'm missing? Alert below:
"The UK Health Security Agency's amber alert means people of all ages could be affected, putting the NHS at risk"
No mystery here, the message here is simple.
Look! It’s hot, don’t do anything stupid, due to massive cuts because we wanted to shrink the state, we’ve cut so much that your NHS would get overwhelmed if someone stubs their toe, let alone hundreds of people getting heat exhaustion.
We appreciate the irony that us sending messages could be considered as a “nanny state” activity. But we need to look like we care, so at least some of the few voters who still support us can blame someone else because they did not “heed the message”. So there is nothing to see here, for those who can afford private healthcare can ignore this message, knock yourself out, I doubt there isn’t a problem with a lack of empty beds.
I see what you did there, you pretended to be the thing you despise, I like it but I'm not sure the message came through.
What is your point, exactly?
You answered, that’s the satisfaction I needed. "
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"What is the idea behind these alerts? what is it in place for, 30 - 32 is not a new thing and for a couple of days is baffling. Are we being bombarded with nanny state messages or is there something deeper that I'm missing? Alert below:
"The UK Health Security Agency's amber alert means people of all ages could be affected, putting the NHS at risk"
No mystery here, the message here is simple.
Look! It’s hot, don’t do anything stupid, due to massive cuts because we wanted to shrink the state, we’ve cut so much that your NHS would get overwhelmed if someone stubs their toe, let alone hundreds of people getting heat exhaustion.
We appreciate the irony that us sending messages could be considered as a “nanny state” activity. But we need to look like we care, so at least some of the few voters who still support us can blame someone else because they did not “heed the message”. So there is nothing to see here, for those who can afford private healthcare can ignore this message, knock yourself out, I doubt there isn’t a problem with a lack of empty beds.
I see what you did there, you pretended to be the thing you despise, I like it but I'm not sure the message came through.
What is your point, exactly?
You answered, that’s the satisfaction I needed.
here to help those in need, glad to hav helped "
Now sit down and have a cup of tea champ you deserve it. |
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