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If you're ever wanted in the UK just run off to Germany 
Personally I think it's a fucking cheek considering the state of some countries prisons in the EU.
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2023/sep/05/germany-refuses-extradite-albanian-man-uk-jail-conditions?utm_source=upday&utm_medium=referral |
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By *deepdiveMan
over a year ago
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"If you're ever wanted in the UK just run off to Germany
Personally I think it's a fucking cheek considering the state of some countries prisons in the EU.
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2023/sep/05/germany-refuses-extradite-albanian-man-uk-jail-conditions?utm_source=upday&utm_medium=referral"
Personally, I would say it reflects on the state of the UK prisons. |
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"If you're ever wanted in the UK just run off to Germany
Personally I think it's a fucking cheek considering the state of some countries prisons in the EU.
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2023/sep/05/germany-refuses-extradite-albanian-man-uk-jail-conditions?utm_source=upday&utm_medium=referral
Personally, I would say it reflects on the state of the UK prisons."
Really? Because they cited overcrowding as an issue. Did you bother to look at the figures? |
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"If you're ever wanted in the UK just run off to Germany
Personally I think it's a fucking cheek considering the state of some countries prisons in the EU.
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2023/sep/05/germany-refuses-extradite-albanian-man-uk-jail-conditions?utm_source=upday&utm_medium=referral
Personally, I would say it reflects on the state of the UK prisons.
Really? Because they cited overcrowding as an issue. Did you bother to look at the figures?"
Which figures are you referring to..?
The only figures I saw in the article are the 20,000 extra places being built in the UK response to the the German courts request for reassurances. |
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"If you're ever wanted in the UK just run off to Germany
Personally I think it's a fucking cheek considering the state of some countries prisons in the EU.
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2023/sep/05/germany-refuses-extradite-albanian-man-uk-jail-conditions?utm_source=upday&utm_medium=referral
Personally, I would say it reflects on the state of the UK prisons.
Really? Because they cited overcrowding as an issue. Did you bother to look at the figures?
Which figures are you referring to..?
The only figures I saw in the article are the 20,000 extra places being built in the UK response to the the German courts request for reassurances."
The figures that the UK show a few places available. Pretty much capacity. The EU has 8 countries where they are over capacity, yet will transfer between member states without question.
Those figures aren't in the article, not that I'd expect them to be, it's The Guardian after all. |
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"If you're ever wanted in the UK just run off to Germany
Personally I think it's a fucking cheek considering the state of some countries prisons in the EU.
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2023/sep/05/germany-refuses-extradite-albanian-man-uk-jail-conditions?utm_source=upday&utm_medium=referral
Personally, I would say it reflects on the state of the UK prisons.
Really? Because they cited overcrowding as an issue. Did you bother to look at the figures?
Which figures are you referring to..?
The only figures I saw in the article are the 20,000 extra places being built in the UK response to the the German courts request for reassurances.
The figures that the UK show a few places available. Pretty much capacity. The EU has 8 countries where they are over capacity, yet will transfer between member states without question.
Those figures aren't in the article, not that I'd expect them to be, it's The Guardian after all. "
Here’s some figures in the guardian.
https://amp.theguardian.com/society/2023/aug/05/three-quarters-of-prisons-in-england-and-wales-in-appalling-conditions-as-overcrowding-fears-grow
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By *abioMan
over a year ago
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"If you're ever wanted in the UK just run off to Germany
Personally I think it's a fucking cheek considering the state of some countries prisons in the EU.
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2023/sep/05/germany-refuses-extradite-albanian-man-uk-jail-conditions?utm_source=upday&utm_medium=referral"
I know you are really…. Really….. really trying to points score here
Just making sure you know that for example the US and several other countries also have a “no extradition” policy for their citizens….
Anne scalolas springs to mind |
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"If you're ever wanted in the UK just run off to Germany
Personally I think it's a fucking cheek considering the state of some countries prisons in the EU.
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2023/sep/05/germany-refuses-extradite-albanian-man-uk-jail-conditions?utm_source=upday&utm_medium=referral
I know you are really…. Really….. really trying to points score here
Just making sure you know that for example the US and several other countries also have a “no extradition” policy for their citizens….
Anne scalolas springs to mind "
Trying to score points? No, just pointing out the ridiculousness of this situation.
This man is not a German citizen. |
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"Bring back national service
And compulsory for all visa accepted immigrants "
I’m in favour in theory of national service for those not in work or training (under say 25). But if someone is working and paying taxes? No way. |
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By *abioMan
over a year ago
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"If you're ever wanted in the UK just run off to Germany
Personally I think it's a fucking cheek considering the state of some countries prisons in the EU.
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2023/sep/05/germany-refuses-extradite-albanian-man-uk-jail-conditions?utm_source=upday&utm_medium=referral
I know you are really…. Really….. really trying to points score here
Just making sure you know that for example the US and several other countries also have a “no extradition” policy for their citizens….
Anne scalolas springs to mind
Trying to score points? No, just pointing out the ridiculousness of this situation.
This man is not a German citizen. "
But since the Uk is no longer a member of Europol that would have been the easiest way to get around the problem with an arrest warrant |
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"If you're ever wanted in the UK just run off to Germany
Personally I think it's a fucking cheek considering the state of some countries prisons in the EU.
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2023/sep/05/germany-refuses-extradite-albanian-man-uk-jail-conditions?utm_source=upday&utm_medium=referral
I know you are really…. Really….. really trying to points score here
Just making sure you know that for example the US and several other countries also have a “no extradition” policy for their citizens….
Anne scalolas springs to mind
Trying to score points? No, just pointing out the ridiculousness of this situation.
This man is not a German citizen.
But since the Uk is no longer a member of Europol that would have been the easiest way to get around the problem with an arrest warrant "
Hence why the UK is seeking extradition. The point stands that this man is not a German citizen.
Next time you come to an OP and speak of 'point scoring' you should be damn sure you know what you're talking about. |
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By *abioMan
over a year ago
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"If you're ever wanted in the UK just run off to Germany
Personally I think it's a fucking cheek considering the state of some countries prisons in the EU.
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2023/sep/05/germany-refuses-extradite-albanian-man-uk-jail-conditions?utm_source=upday&utm_medium=referral
I know you are really…. Really….. really trying to points score here
Just making sure you know that for example the US and several other countries also have a “no extradition” policy for their citizens….
Anne scalolas springs to mind
Trying to score points? No, just pointing out the ridiculousness of this situation.
This man is not a German citizen.
But since the Uk is no longer a member of Europol that would have been the easiest way to get around the problem with an arrest warrant
Hence why the UK is seeking extradition. The point stands that this man is not a German citizen.
Next time you come to an OP and speak of 'point scoring' you should be damn sure you know what you're talking about. "
I do… so the Germans authorities wanted guarantees that person would be held in a facility compliant with minimum standards in accordance with the ECHR.. and were asked twice! Never got back to them on occasion 1… never came back with a specific answer to that on occasion 2!
Most countries have specific requirements… like I said the US don’t extradite at all… the UK won’t extradite to a country where the offence charged leads a potential death penalty sentence…
The other interesting thing is that the Uk also has minimum level requirements for any extradition case….
The UK happen to be on the wrong end of this one and the point scoring begins….
The UK could also tell the Germans authorities which prison he would be held in awaiting trial… but they didn’t! They just said they were building more slots…..
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"If you're ever wanted in the UK just run off to Germany
Personally I think it's a fucking cheek considering the state of some countries prisons in the EU.
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2023/sep/05/germany-refuses-extradite-albanian-man-uk-jail-conditions?utm_source=upday&utm_medium=referral
I know you are really…. Really….. really trying to points score here
Just making sure you know that for example the US and several other countries also have a “no extradition” policy for their citizens….
Anne scalolas springs to mind
Trying to score points? No, just pointing out the ridiculousness of this situation.
This man is not a German citizen.
But since the Uk is no longer a member of Europol that would have been the easiest way to get around the problem with an arrest warrant
Hence why the UK is seeking extradition. The point stands that this man is not a German citizen.
Next time you come to an OP and speak of 'point scoring' you should be damn sure you know what you're talking about.
I do… so the Germans authorities wanted guarantees that person would be held in a facility compliant with minimum standards in accordance with the ECHR.. and were asked twice! Never got back to them on occasion 1… never came back with a specific answer to that on occasion 2!
Most countries have specific requirements… like I said the US don’t extradite at all… the UK won’t extradite to a country where the offence charged leads a potential death penalty sentence…
The other interesting thing is that the Uk also has minimum level requirements for any extradition case….
The UK happen to be on the wrong end of this one and the point scoring begins….
The UK could also tell the Germans authorities which prison he would be held in awaiting trial… but they didn’t! They just said they were building more slots…..
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You're not quite getting it are you?
UK prison standards are a damn sight higher than a lot of countries that Germany will extradite to without question.
Can you square that for me? |
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"If you're ever wanted in the UK just run off to Germany
Personally I think it's a fucking cheek considering the state of some countries prisons in the EU.
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2023/sep/05/germany-refuses-extradite-albanian-man-uk-jail-conditions?utm_source=upday&utm_medium=referral
I know you are really…. Really….. really trying to points score here
Just making sure you know that for example the US and several other countries also have a “no extradition” policy for their citizens….
Anne scalolas springs to mind
Trying to score points? No, just pointing out the ridiculousness of this situation.
This man is not a German citizen.
But since the Uk is no longer a member of Europol that would have been the easiest way to get around the problem with an arrest warrant
Hence why the UK is seeking extradition. The point stands that this man is not a German citizen.
Next time you come to an OP and speak of 'point scoring' you should be damn sure you know what you're talking about.
I do… so the Germans authorities wanted guarantees that person would be held in a facility compliant with minimum standards in accordance with the ECHR.. and were asked twice! Never got back to them on occasion 1… never came back with a specific answer to that on occasion 2!
Most countries have specific requirements… like I said the US don’t extradite at all… the UK won’t extradite to a country where the offence charged leads a potential death penalty sentence…
The other interesting thing is that the Uk also has minimum level requirements for any extradition case….
The UK happen to be on the wrong end of this one and the point scoring begins….
The UK could also tell the Germans authorities which prison he would be held in awaiting trial… but they didn’t! They just said they were building more slots…..
You're not quite getting it are you?
UK prison standards are a damn sight higher than a lot of countries that Germany will extradite to without question.
Can you square that for me?"
You keep saying Germany will extradite without question. But here's a bit from the original link you posted.
While concerns have been expressed before about prisons in certain European countries, this is never thought to have happened previously in relation to UK prison conditions.
So seems concerns are raised about other countries. Maybe these countries replied to these concerns and offered solutions. |
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By *deepdiveMan
over a year ago
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"If you're ever wanted in the UK just run off to Germany
Personally I think it's a fucking cheek considering the state of some countries prisons in the EU.
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2023/sep/05/germany-refuses-extradite-albanian-man-uk-jail-conditions?utm_source=upday&utm_medium=referral
I know you are really…. Really….. really trying to points score here
Just making sure you know that for example the US and several other countries also have a “no extradition” policy for their citizens….
Anne scalolas springs to mind
Trying to score points? No, just pointing out the ridiculousness of this situation.
This man is not a German citizen.
But since the Uk is no longer a member of Europol that would have been the easiest way to get around the problem with an arrest warrant
Hence why the UK is seeking extradition. The point stands that this man is not a German citizen.
Next time you come to an OP and speak of 'point scoring' you should be damn sure you know what you're talking about.
I do… so the Germans authorities wanted guarantees that person would be held in a facility compliant with minimum standards in accordance with the ECHR.. and were asked twice! Never got back to them on occasion 1… never came back with a specific answer to that on occasion 2!
Most countries have specific requirements… like I said the US don’t extradite at all… the UK won’t extradite to a country where the offence charged leads a potential death penalty sentence…
The other interesting thing is that the Uk also has minimum level requirements for any extradition case….
The UK happen to be on the wrong end of this one and the point scoring begins….
The UK could also tell the Germans authorities which prison he would be held in awaiting trial… but they didn’t! They just said they were building more slots…..
You're not quite getting it are you?
UK prison standards are a damn sight higher than a lot of countries that Germany will extradite to without question.
Can you square that for me?"
Can you support that argument with facts or is that simply your opinion? |
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"Bring back national service
And compulsory for all visa accepted immigrants "
In not in favor of national service.
The forces are not what they where.
I get make people do the 6 week basic traning then what if they just don't want to. And start braking some very expensive equipment. No leave it to the people how want to do it my nephew traind for a year to get in to the army he was fit going in. |
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I assume if he was brought back and found guilty he'd be deported after he served his sentence.
As it stands at the moment its a win for British taxpayers. |
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By *abioMan
over a year ago
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"A simple Google search indicate that the US extradite………."
The US do extradite… they don’t extradite their own citizens
There are multiple countries that don’t extradite their own citizen’s |
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"A simple Google search indicate that the US extradite……….
The US do extradite… they don’t extradite their own citizens
There are multiple countries that don’t extradite their own citizen’s "
They do |
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By *otMe66Man
over a year ago
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Will they let a foreign suspected drug trafficker roam free amongst their own population, or will they lock him up? If it is the former, it would be interesting to know what the German public think. |
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"Will they let a foreign suspected drug trafficker roam free amongst their own population, or will they lock him up? If it is the former, it would be interesting to know what the German public think."
Just like here there will be a variety of opinions. |
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By *otMe66Man
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"Will they let a foreign suspected drug trafficker roam free amongst their own population, or will they lock him up? If it is the former, it would be interesting to know what the German public think.
Just like here there will be a variety of opinions. "
What is your view? |
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"Will they let a foreign suspected drug trafficker roam free amongst their own population, or will they lock him up? If it is the former, it would be interesting to know what the German public think.
Just like here there will be a variety of opinions.
What is your view?"
Am ambivalent about it. Its not affecting me directly. But if I was German, I wouldn't be happy. |
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By *otMe66Man
over a year ago
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"Will they let a foreign suspected drug trafficker roam free amongst their own population, or will they lock him up? If it is the former, it would be interesting to know what the German public think.
Just like here there will be a variety of opinions.
What is your view?
Am ambivalent about it. Its not affecting me directly. But if I was German, I wouldn't be happy. "
Exactly, and I'm sure lawyers all over Germany are now going to be using this defence to keep international drug traffickers out of jail on on the streets.
I wonder if the Albanian was German he would have been so lucky. |
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By *abioMan
over a year ago
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"Will they let a foreign suspected drug trafficker roam free amongst their own population, or will they lock him up? If it is the former, it would be interesting to know what the German public think.
Just like here there will be a variety of opinions.
What is your view?
Am ambivalent about it. Its not affecting me directly. But if I was German, I wouldn't be happy.
Exactly, and I'm sure lawyers all over Germany are now going to be using this defence to keep international drug traffickers out of jail on on the streets.
I wonder if the Albanian was German he would have been so lucky."
Wouldn’t the solution to this be to send a list of the potential places they could be sent to the German authorities… then they can cross of the ones they think are below minimum ECHR standard
Remember the UK authorities never got back to the Germans in the first place! |
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"Will they let a foreign suspected drug trafficker roam free amongst their own population, or will they lock him up? If it is the former, it would be interesting to know what the German public think.
Just like here there will be a variety of opinions.
What is your view?
Am ambivalent about it. Its not affecting me directly. But if I was German, I wouldn't be happy.
Exactly, and I'm sure lawyers all over Germany are now going to be using this defence to keep international drug traffickers out of jail on on the streets.
I wonder if the Albanian was German he would have been so lucky."
But has a British taxpayer am happy we are not paying to imprison him. After all it cost nearly a £1,000 a week to keep someone in prison.
Compare that with £280 for a asylum seeker on the Bibby Stockholm. |
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"Will they let a foreign suspected drug trafficker roam free amongst their own population, or will they lock him up? If it is the former, it would be interesting to know what the German public think."
The former is the case, they have released him. |
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"Will they let a foreign suspected drug trafficker roam free amongst their own population, or will they lock him up? If it is the former, it would be interesting to know what the German public think.
The former is the case, they have released him."
I presume they cannot detain him by law, if he hasn't broken the law in Germany. |
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"Will they let a foreign suspected drug trafficker roam free amongst their own population, or will they lock him up? If it is the former, it would be interesting to know what the German public think.
The former is the case, they have released him.
I presume they cannot detain him by law, if he hasn't broken the law in Germany. "
I'd assume that's the case. |
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By *otMe66Man
over a year ago
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"Will they let a foreign suspected drug trafficker roam free amongst their own population, or will they lock him up? If it is the former, it would be interesting to know what the German public think.
The former is the case, they have released him.
I presume they cannot detain him by law, if he hasn't broken the law in Germany. "
He didn't but he broke our laws! The German judge who has been influenced and made a decision based on a single lawyer, should be held accountable. The German authorities should send him here and we give hime his day in court, if found guilty, they can have him back, prison record attached. |
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"Will they let a foreign suspected drug trafficker roam free amongst their own population, or will they lock him up? If it is the former, it would be interesting to know what the German public think.
The former is the case, they have released him.
I presume they cannot detain him by law, if he hasn't broken the law in Germany.
He didn't but he broke our laws! The German judge who has been influenced and made a decision based on a single lawyer, should be held accountable. The German authorities should send him here and we give hime his day in court, if found guilty, they can have him back, prison record attached. "
You know the UK courts have similarly, in the past refused to extradite, citizens to their own country. Siting jail conditions, including the USA. |
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"Will they let a foreign suspected drug trafficker roam free amongst their own population, or will they lock him up? If it is the former, it would be interesting to know what the German public think.
The former is the case, they have released him.
I presume they cannot detain him by law, if he hasn't broken the law in Germany.
He didn't but he broke our laws! The German judge who has been influenced and made a decision based on a single lawyer, should be held accountable. The German authorities should send him here and we give hime his day in court, if found guilty, they can have him back, prison record attached.
You know the UK courts have similarly, in the past refused to extradite, citizens to their own country. Siting jail conditions, including the USA."
Same in those instances, letting criminals walk is a no. |
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"Will they let a foreign suspected drug trafficker roam free amongst their own population, or will they lock him up? If it is the former, it would be interesting to know what the German public think.
The former is the case, they have released him.
I presume they cannot detain him by law, if he hasn't broken the law in Germany.
He didn't but he broke our laws! The German judge who has been influenced and made a decision based on a single lawyer, should be held accountable. The German authorities should send him here and we give hime his day in court, if found guilty, they can have him back, prison record attached.
You know the UK courts have similarly, in the past refused to extradite, citizens to their own country. Siting jail conditions, including the USA.
Same in those instances, letting criminals walk is a no."
I agree, but you could say if you set examples yourself, then its hard to complain when your on the receiving end. |
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"Will they let a foreign suspected drug trafficker roam free amongst their own population, or will they lock him up? If it is the former, it would be interesting to know what the German public think.
The former is the case, they have released him.
I presume they cannot detain him by law, if he hasn't broken the law in Germany.
He didn't but he broke our laws! The German judge who has been influenced and made a decision based on a single lawyer, should be held accountable. The German authorities should send him here and we give hime his day in court, if found guilty, they can have him back, prison record attached.
You know the UK courts have similarly, in the past refused to extradite, citizens to their own country. Siting jail conditions, including the USA.
Same in those instances, letting criminals walk is a no.
I agree, but you could say if you set examples yourself, then its hard to complain when your on the receiving end. "
He isn't a German citizen. |
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"Will they let a foreign suspected drug trafficker roam free amongst their own population, or will they lock him up? If it is the former, it would be interesting to know what the German public think.
The former is the case, they have released him.
I presume they cannot detain him by law, if he hasn't broken the law in Germany.
He didn't but he broke our laws! The German judge who has been influenced and made a decision based on a single lawyer, should be held accountable. The German authorities should send him here and we give hime his day in court, if found guilty, they can have him back, prison record attached.
You know the UK courts have similarly, in the past refused to extradite, citizens to their own country. Siting jail conditions, including the USA.
Same in those instances, letting criminals walk is a no.
I agree, but you could say if you set examples yourself, then its hard to complain when your on the receiving end.
He isn't a German citizen."
I know, but in some of the cases of British refusal. They weren't British citizens either. |
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