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By *deepdiveMan
over a year ago
France / Birmingham |
"Depending on policy but probably conservative as been very good since they got in locally just pity on national "
Yes - a difficult choice when a local politician performs well and does well for his constituency. |
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Our local MP is conservative and to be fair as a constituency MP, he's pretty good
Having said that the majority of his party and especially the cabinet are the most talentless self serving pr1cks you could imagine
The alternative doesn't look that much better either. It's a very sad age of poor quality MPs in all parties.
We as the electorate are being badly let down both by the government and the quality of opposition
Grim times.... |
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My constituency is safe from having a Tory MP. So I can vote for whomever I want based on policy, morals, etc.
Previous I lived places where you had to vote for whomever had the best chance against the incumbent Conservative. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Whoever we needed to to get rid of the Conservatives forever. They have literally done nothing to improve things but feather their own nests and protect their personal interests. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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To add, we don't expect anything to change whoever gets in, but at least we can hope the gravy train passengers of today won't be able to fill their boots anymore. |
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Public services are in such a dire state due to the tories I think labour will take it.
Unfortunately reeves as chancellor is inadequate, she says all the funding will come from economic growth, uk already forecast bottom G7. Think she will be found out as a no mark very shortly in office. Starmer will promise this and that but have no money to actually achieve much.
There will be no stealth tax’s under labour Reeves says so where will she get the money. |
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"Public services are in such a dire state due to the tories I think labour will take it.
Unfortunately reeves as chancellor is inadequate, she says all the funding will come from economic growth, uk already forecast bottom G7. Think she will be found out as a no mark very shortly in office. Starmer will promise this and that but have no money to actually achieve much.
There will be no stealth tax’s under labour Reeves says so where will she get the money. "
You should revisit those 'forecasts' with real figures  |
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I wouldn't vote for any one.
I would be tempted to vote for Labour but would want to see their policies.
Ideally for me currently a hung parliament. No chance of a government.
And both major parties re elect new leaders.
SKS really needs to start making some concrete proposals and election pledges |
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By *otMe66Man
over a year ago
Terra Firma |
"My constituency is safe from having a Tory MP. So I can vote for whomever I want based on policy, morals, etc.
Previous I lived places where you had to vote for whomever had the best chance against the incumbent Conservative."
I read this a lot and to be honest it baffles me.
People would vote anything other than conservative.
The 2 main parties are so close to the middle it blows my mind that anyone would throw a vote to a party with no manifesto or strategy for leading the country.
What a strange place to be, the cut of ones cloth is all it takes for some I guess |
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"I wouldn't vote for any one.
I would be tempted to vote for Labour but would want to see their policies.
Ideally for me currently a hung parliament. No chance of a government.
And both major parties re elect new leaders.
SKS really needs to start making some concrete proposals and election pledges"
SkS a Walter Mitty
Told Khan to reflect on Ulez as it cost them Uxbridge? Then the high court judge supported khan making sks look a clown. He’s been quiet on climate change since as he sees it a vote loser
Where are Labour getting the Money to invest in public services. |
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At this point, there isn't much difference between Tories and Labour when it comes to policies. Will vote Labour because hopefully they are at least a little bit better when it comes to governance, which is not a high bar. The Tories need some time out and do some proper clear out, the way SKS did with Labour.
My only fear is that the likes of Corbyn and his supporters may get some influence after Labour wins the election. |
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"At this point, there isn't much difference between Tories and Labour when it comes to policies. Will vote Labour because hopefully they are at least a little bit better when it comes to governance, which is not a high bar. The Tories need some time out and do some proper clear out, the way SKS did with Labour.
My only fear is that the likes of Corbyn and his supporters may get some influence after Labour wins the election."
No need to worry, no one offing any meaningful change will be allowed anywhere near power. |
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"My constituency is safe from having a Tory MP. So I can vote for whomever I want based on policy, morals, etc.
Previous I lived places where you had to vote for whomever had the best chance against the incumbent Conservative.
I read this a lot and to be honest it baffles me.
People would vote anything other than conservative.
The 2 main parties are so close to the middle it blows my mind that anyone would throw a vote to a party with no manifesto or strategy for leading the country.
What a strange place to be, the cut of ones cloth is all it takes for some I guess "
I agree there's very little difference between the two main parties.
I guess people hope that Labour will either offer some kind of meaningful change after getting into power or will be less corrupt and self serving.
As mentioned, the Tories will never get in where I live now, so i will vote for someone other than Labour. |
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By *otMe66Man
over a year ago
Terra Firma |
"My constituency is safe from having a Tory MP. So I can vote for whomever I want based on policy, morals, etc.
Previous I lived places where you had to vote for whomever had the best chance against the incumbent Conservative.
I read this a lot and to be honest it baffles me.
People would vote anything other than conservative.
The 2 main parties are so close to the middle it blows my mind that anyone would throw a vote to a party with no manifesto or strategy for leading the country.
What a strange place to be, the cut of ones cloth is all it takes for some I guess
I agree there's very little difference between the two main parties.
I guess people hope that Labour will either offer some kind of meaningful change after getting into power or will be less corrupt and self serving.
As mentioned, the Tories will never get in where I live now, so i will vote for someone other than Labour. "
Do you support a specific party, or is it a best fit? |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"My constituency is safe from having a Tory MP. So I can vote for whomever I want based on policy, morals, etc.
Previous I lived places where you had to vote for whomever had the best chance against the incumbent Conservative.
I read this a lot and to be honest it baffles me.
People would vote anything other than conservative.
The 2 main parties are so close to the middle it blows my mind that anyone would throw a vote to a party with no manifesto or strategy for leading the country.
What a strange place to be, the cut of ones cloth is all it takes for some I guess "
Voting to oust the incumbent rather than for a party that matches your politics is an integral issue with FPTP. |
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"My constituency is safe from having a Tory MP. So I can vote for whomever I want based on policy, morals, etc.
Previous I lived places where you had to vote for whomever had the best chance against the incumbent Conservative.
I read this a lot and to be honest it baffles me.
People would vote anything other than conservative.
The 2 main parties are so close to the middle it blows my mind that anyone would throw a vote to a party with no manifesto or strategy for leading the country.
What a strange place to be, the cut of ones cloth is all it takes for some I guess
I agree there's very little difference between the two main parties.
I guess people hope that Labour will either offer some kind of meaningful change after getting into power or will be less corrupt and self serving.
As mentioned, the Tories will never get in where I live now, so i will vote for someone other than Labour.
Do you support a specific party, or is it a best fit?"
I've voted either best fit or to keep the Tory out.
I don't belong to any party as my views don't align with any one party. And I see variations between candidates as something to take into consideration too. |
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By *otMe66Man
over a year ago
Terra Firma |
"My constituency is safe from having a Tory MP. So I can vote for whomever I want based on policy, morals, etc.
Previous I lived places where you had to vote for whomever had the best chance against the incumbent Conservative.
I read this a lot and to be honest it baffles me.
People would vote anything other than conservative.
The 2 main parties are so close to the middle it blows my mind that anyone would throw a vote to a party with no manifesto or strategy for leading the country.
What a strange place to be, the cut of ones cloth is all it takes for some I guess
I agree there's very little difference between the two main parties.
I guess people hope that Labour will either offer some kind of meaningful change after getting into power or will be less corrupt and self serving.
As mentioned, the Tories will never get in where I live now, so i will vote for someone other than Labour.
Do you support a specific party, or is it a best fit?
I've voted either best fit or to keep the Tory out.
I don't belong to any party as my views don't align with any one party. And I see variations between candidates as something to take into consideration too. "
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"At this point, there isn't much difference between Tories and Labour when it comes to policies. Will vote Labour because hopefully they are at least a little bit better when it comes to governance, which is not a high bar. The Tories need some time out and do some proper clear out, the way SKS did with Labour.
My only fear is that the likes of Corbyn and his supporters may get some influence after Labour wins the election.
No need to worry, no one offing any meaningful change will be allowed anywhere near power."
Change for the sake of change is usually much more destructive. |
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I have come to the realisation that the media outlets are suggesting that Labour will be next in power.
For me this is the way politics has been driven all of my lifetime, one or the other, how do we stop this?
To answer your question, I will write on my ballot paper "none of you are fit for purpose". |
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By *G LanaTV/TS
over a year ago
Gosport |
I will need to do some research on local tatical voting as the encumbent needs to go. If everything else was equal it would be neither of the predominant parties due to thier positions on changing the interpretation of the equalities act. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"I have come to the realisation that the media outlets are suggesting that Labour will be next in power.
For me this is the way politics has been driven all of my lifetime, one or the other, how do we stop this?
To answer your question, I will write on my ballot paper "none of you are fit for purpose"."
Sadly, whilst understandable, this is ineffective and helps only the incumbent. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"I have come to the realisation that the media outlets are suggesting that Labour will be next in power.
For me this is the way politics has been driven all of my lifetime, one or the other, how do we stop this?"
At least youre another person who's beginning to see the walls. 
The only way for real change would be through a very large popular political movement or more likely through a private army. |
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By *deepdiveMan
over a year ago
France / Birmingham |
"I have come to the realisation that the media outlets are suggesting that Labour will be next in power.
For me this is the way politics has been driven all of my lifetime, one or the other, how do we stop this?
At least youre another person who's beginning to see the walls.
The only way for real change would be through a very large popular political movement or more likely through a private army."
Perhaps the media are reporting what is being seen through various polls and is correct in that Labour are the current favourites given the performance of the Tories but perhaps I am too easily led and the Tory party are in fact the favourites to lead the next government.
Personally I would prefer that we ends up with a Coalition government running the country - probably Labour and Liberal.
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"I have come to the realisation that the media outlets are suggesting that Labour will be next in power.
For me this is the way politics has been driven all of my lifetime, one or the other, how do we stop this?
At least youre another person who's beginning to see the walls.
The only way for real change would be through a very large popular political movement or more likely through a private army.
Perhaps the media are reporting what is being seen through various polls and is correct in that Labour are the current favourites given the performance of the Tories but perhaps I am too easily led and the Tory party are in fact the favourites to lead the next government.
Personally I would prefer that we ends up with a Coalition government running the country - probably Labour and Liberal.
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The media often give hope of change. But as the election gets closer it'll drop off. |
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By *apybarasCouple
over a year ago
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"its depressing to think that whoever gets in little to nothing will change.i have never voted tory and never will but labour have done nothing to convince me to vote for them either  "
I'm very much in the same boat. They have moved further right with every announcement.
At present they don't seem to be offering anything radically different, which isn't going to change anything.
I will probably vote Green as they at least have policies I believe will actually improve things.
I expect Labour will will, I would rather they did not win with a huge majority so they can do what they like with no come back (this is not good for anyone in my opinion). |
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"I have come to the realisation that the media outlets are suggesting that Labour will be next in power.
For me this is the way politics has been driven all of my lifetime, one or the other, how do we stop this?
At least youre another person who's beginning to see the walls.
The only way for real change would be through a very large popular political movement or more likely through a private army.
Perhaps the media are reporting what is being seen through various polls and is correct in that Labour are the current favourites given the performance of the Tories but perhaps I am too easily led and the Tory party are in fact the favourites to lead the next government.
Personally I would prefer that we ends up with a Coalition government running the country - probably Labour and Liberal.
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Agree could be the best of the worst but worth a go. |
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By *eroy1000Man
over a year ago
milton keynes |
Just reread the original question and will have to change my answer of 'unlikely to be Labour' to it won't be Labour as realised we are being asked if the GE was tomorrow and Labour have yet to say what they will do when they win |
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"Just reread the original question and will have to change my answer of 'unlikely to be Labour' to it won't be Labour as realised we are being asked if the GE was tomorrow and Labour have yet to say what they will do when they win"
Has any party published their manifesto yet? |
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By *eroy1000Man
over a year ago
milton keynes |
"Just reread the original question and will have to change my answer of 'unlikely to be Labour' to it won't be Labour as realised we are being asked if the GE was tomorrow and Labour have yet to say what they will do when they win
Has any party published their manifesto yet?"
I don't need the Tories to publish theirs to know I won't vote for them this time. What I do need is to know what Labour intend. It doesn't have to be a full blown manifesto. At the moment all I hear is that they will be slightly better than the Tories and that's if you believe them not to flip on that |
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"Just reread the original question and will have to change my answer of 'unlikely to be Labour' to it won't be Labour as realised we are being asked if the GE was tomorrow and Labour have yet to say what they will do when they win
Has any party published their manifesto yet?
I don't need the Tories to publish theirs to know I won't vote for them this time. What I do need is to know what Labour intend. It doesn't have to be a full blown manifesto. At the moment all I hear is that they will be slightly better than the Tories and that's if you believe them not to flip on that "
It looks like Labour Manifesto will be mostly similar to Tories, with minor differences. Labour narrative will be that they can actually deliver what they promise, unlike the Tories. |
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"Just reread the original question and will have to change my answer of 'unlikely to be Labour' to it won't be Labour as realised we are being asked if the GE was tomorrow and Labour have yet to say what they will do when they win
Has any party published their manifesto yet?
I don't need the Tories to publish theirs to know I won't vote for them this time. What I do need is to know what Labour intend. It doesn't have to be a full blown manifesto. At the moment all I hear is that they will be slightly better than the Tories and that's if you believe them not to flip on that
It looks like Labour Manifesto will be mostly similar to Tories, with minor differences. Labour narrative will be that they can actually deliver what they promise, unlike the Tories."
Seems like Labour are shifting closer and closer to the Tories as the election approaches. |
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No matter who gets in they are still going to screw the populous over.
It is hard to read that people are discussing who they will choose to continue screwing them over.
I watched a programme last night concerning violence, the programme referred that we all would be busy killing each other if it wasn't for governments.
Maybe that's why we do as we do. |
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"Dont vote for Tories and dont vote for Labour as they are 2 sides of the same asshole "
They're definitely moving that way.
The only way Labour can get elected is to out Tory the Tories.
I still think we're due another Conservative victory, and five more years of their rule. |
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By *apybarasCouple
over a year ago
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"Dont vote for Tories and dont vote for Labour as they are 2 sides of the same asshole
They're definitely moving that way.
The only way Labour can get elected is to out Tory the Tories.
I still think we're due another Conservative victory, and five more years of their rule.
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Which is actually rubbish. There is huge popular support for policies such as nationalisation of water and energy, rebuilding the NHS etc.
At the last election the Torys got ~14m votes and Labour ~10m votes, however 20m odd people didn't vote at all.
Rather than trying to win over Tory voters (who, let's face it, are quite unlikely to vote Labour) why not attract the people who didn't vote with radical policies that change the country for the better? |
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"Dont vote for Tories and dont vote for Labour as they are 2 sides of the same asshole
They're definitely moving that way.
The only way Labour can get elected is to out Tory the Tories.
I still think we're due another Conservative victory, and five more years of their rule.
Which is actually rubbish. There is huge popular support for policies such as nationalisation of water and energy, rebuilding the NHS etc.
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Labour are starting to distance themselves from any policies that would help British people, and are moving towards more the Tory model of representing big corporations and oil companies.
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At the last election the Torys got ~14m votes and Labour ~10m votes, however 20m odd people didn't vote at all.
Rather than trying to win over Tory voters (who, let's face it, are quite unlikely to vote Labour) why not attract the people who didn't vote with radical policies that change the country for the better?"
I agree that would be nice. But I don't think it would get them elected. Last time they had a leader who wanted to bring about change he was, after his initial surge in popularity, destroyed by a long sustained media campaign. |
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By *apybarasCouple
over a year ago
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"Dont vote for Tories and dont vote for Labour as they are 2 sides of the same asshole
They're definitely moving that way.
The only way Labour can get elected is to out Tory the Tories.
I still think we're due another Conservative victory, and five more years of their rule.
Which is actually rubbish. There is huge popular support for policies such as nationalisation of water and energy, rebuilding the NHS etc.
Labour are starting to distance themselves from any policies that would help British people, and are moving towards more the Tory model of representing big corporations and oil companies.
At the last election the Torys got ~14m votes and Labour ~10m votes, however 20m odd people didn't vote at all.
Rather than trying to win over Tory voters (who, let's face it, are quite unlikely to vote Labour) why not attract the people who didn't vote with radical policies that change the country for the better?
I agree that would be nice. But I don't think it would get them elected. Last time they had a leader who wanted to bring about change he was, after his initial surge in popularity, destroyed by a long sustained media campaign."
Though it was more the sabotage from his own team, and Starmer forcing the second Brexit vote that really did for him.
In 2017 when they were going to "honour" the referendum vote, they kept their leave constituencies. In 2019 they lost 40 odd of them... |
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"Dont vote for Tories and dont vote for Labour as they are 2 sides of the same asshole
They're definitely moving that way.
The only way Labour can get elected is to out Tory the Tories.
I still think we're due another Conservative victory, and five more years of their rule.
Which is actually rubbish. There is huge popular support for policies such as nationalisation of water and energy, rebuilding the NHS etc.
Labour are starting to distance themselves from any policies that would help British people, and are moving towards more the Tory model of representing big corporations and oil companies.
At the last election the Torys got ~14m votes and Labour ~10m votes, however 20m odd people didn't vote at all.
Rather than trying to win over Tory voters (who, let's face it, are quite unlikely to vote Labour) why not attract the people who didn't vote with radical policies that change the country for the better?
I agree that would be nice. But I don't think it would get them elected. Last time they had a leader who wanted to bring about change he was, after his initial surge in popularity, destroyed by a long sustained media campaign.
Though it was more the sabotage from his own team, and Starmer forcing the second Brexit vote that really did for him.
In 2017 when they were going to "honour" the referendum vote, they kept their leave constituencies. In 2019 they lost 40 odd of them..."
The sabotage came after. If you're interested. Media Lens (excellent website that analyses the way the media works and reports things) has an article "The Campaign To Stop Corbyn – Smears, Racism And Censorship
22nd July 2019"
They lost seats in the 2019 election for a number of reasons. One of which was the smear campaign against a leader who was offering change. |
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By *abioMan
over a year ago
Newcastle and Gateshead |
I still want to see an actual manifesto… labour are talking a good game without actually committing to any policies ( which is basically what a good opposition does! Bash the government without revealing your own)
Anyway.. I don’t think we are that far off now… I think they will go next September or October |
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"Dont vote for Tories and dont vote for Labour as they are 2 sides of the same asshole
They're definitely moving that way.
The only way Labour can get elected is to out Tory the Tories.
I still think we're due another Conservative victory, and five more years of their rule.
Which is actually rubbish. There is huge popular support for policies such as nationalisation of water and energy, rebuilding the NHS etc.
At the last election the Torys got ~14m votes and Labour ~10m votes, however 20m odd people didn't vote at all.
Rather than trying to win over Tory voters (who, let's face it, are quite unlikely to vote Labour) why not attract the people who didn't vote with radical policies that change the country for the better?"
Looks like I am one of the 20 million then.
And I see no one to vote for.
Does anyone know what would happen when there is more not voting than those who actually voted. |
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By *apybarasCouple
over a year ago
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"Dont vote for Tories and dont vote for Labour as they are 2 sides of the same asshole
They're definitely moving that way.
The only way Labour can get elected is to out Tory the Tories.
I still think we're due another Conservative victory, and five more years of their rule.
Which is actually rubbish. There is huge popular support for policies such as nationalisation of water and energy, rebuilding the NHS etc.
At the last election the Torys got ~14m votes and Labour ~10m votes, however 20m odd people didn't vote at all.
Rather than trying to win over Tory voters (who, let's face it, are quite unlikely to vote Labour) why not attract the people who didn't vote with radical policies that change the country for the better?
Looks like I am one of the 20 million then.
And I see no one to vote for.
Does anyone know what would happen when there is more not voting than those who actually voted.
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We get an even more unrepresentative parliament!
A more useful/visible stance to take would be to turn up and spoil your ballot as these are counted.
It shows you want to vote, but feel your desires are not being met. This could encourage more independent candidates, well if enough took this action, or possibly force the main parties to change their stance to gather up those disillusioned voters.
At present, non-voters are pretty much ignored as they don't seem to want a voice... |
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"Dont vote for Tories and dont vote for Labour as they are 2 sides of the same asshole
They're definitely moving that way.
The only way Labour can get elected is to out Tory the Tories.
I still think we're due another Conservative victory, and five more years of their rule.
Which is actually rubbish. There is huge popular support for policies such as nationalisation of water and energy, rebuilding the NHS etc.
At the last election the Torys got ~14m votes and Labour ~10m votes, however 20m odd people didn't vote at all.
Rather than trying to win over Tory voters (who, let's face it, are quite unlikely to vote Labour) why not attract the people who didn't vote with radical policies that change the country for the better?
Looks like I am one of the 20 million then.
And I see no one to vote for.
Does anyone know what would happen when there is more not voting than those who actually voted.
We get an even more unrepresentative parliament!
A more useful/visible stance to take would be to turn up and spoil your ballot as these are counted.
It shows you want to vote, but feel your desires are not being met. This could encourage more independent candidates, well if enough took this action, or possibly force the main parties to change their stance to gather up those disillusioned voters.
At present, non-voters are pretty much ignored as they don't seem to want a voice..."
I think the pepple who choose not to register to vote realised a long time ago that politics do not solve the problems but creates them. |
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By *apybarasCouple
over a year ago
High Lighthouse! |
"Dont vote for Tories and dont vote for Labour as they are 2 sides of the same asshole
They're definitely moving that way.
The only way Labour can get elected is to out Tory the Tories.
I still think we're due another Conservative victory, and five more years of their rule.
Which is actually rubbish. There is huge popular support for policies such as nationalisation of water and energy, rebuilding the NHS etc.
At the last election the Torys got ~14m votes and Labour ~10m votes, however 20m odd people didn't vote at all.
Rather than trying to win over Tory voters (who, let's face it, are quite unlikely to vote Labour) why not attract the people who didn't vote with radical policies that change the country for the better?
Looks like I am one of the 20 million then.
And I see no one to vote for.
Does anyone know what would happen when there is more not voting than those who actually voted.
We get an even more unrepresentative parliament!
A more useful/visible stance to take would be to turn up and spoil your ballot as these are counted.
It shows you want to vote, but feel your desires are not being met. This could encourage more independent candidates, well if enough took this action, or possibly force the main parties to change their stance to gather up those disillusioned voters.
At present, non-voters are pretty much ignored as they don't seem to want a voice...
I think the pepple who choose not to register to vote realised a long time ago that politics do not solve the problems but creates them.
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Possibly, but we have no other mechanism.
How do you propose changing government (both national and local) policy, without voting? Protest won't work, just get you arrested at present! Charity work, though fabulous, really shouldn't be needed (it's failure of government).
Actually changing the system needs representation, which means voting. If enough people voted Green, for example, we might end up with PR, which would break the two party str*nglehold. |
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"Dont vote for Tories and dont vote for Labour as they are 2 sides of the same asshole
They're definitely moving that way.
The only way Labour can get elected is to out Tory the Tories.
I still think we're due another Conservative victory, and five more years of their rule.
Which is actually rubbish. There is huge popular support for policies such as nationalisation of water and energy, rebuilding the NHS etc.
At the last election the Torys got ~14m votes and Labour ~10m votes, however 20m odd people didn't vote at all.
Rather than trying to win over Tory voters (who, let's face it, are quite unlikely to vote Labour) why not attract the people who didn't vote with radical policies that change the country for the better?
Looks like I am one of the 20 million then.
And I see no one to vote for.
Does anyone know what would happen when there is more not voting than those who actually voted.
We get an even more unrepresentative parliament!
A more useful/visible stance to take would be to turn up and spoil your ballot as these are counted.
It shows you want to vote, but feel your desires are not being met. This could encourage more independent candidates, well if enough took this action, or possibly force the main parties to change their stance to gather up those disillusioned voters.
At present, non-voters are pretty much ignored as they don't seem to want a voice...
I think the pepple who choose not to register to vote realised a long time ago that politics do not solve the problems but creates them.
Possibly, but we have no other mechanism.
How do you propose changing government (both national and local) policy, without voting? Protest won't work, just get you arrested at present! Charity work, though fabulous, really shouldn't be needed (it's failure of government).
Actually changing the system needs representation, which means voting. If enough people voted Green, for example, we might end up with PR, which would break the two party str*nglehold. "
Well voting will not change anything, but keep the satus quo ie: no progress just bickering and sh*t throwing.
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I live in a safe Conservative seat, previously held by murdered MP Sir David Ames. His successor has been working very hard for the community, following in his footsteps, so to speak, but I'm afraid I can't vote for her while Sunak remains leader of the party.
But no way wouldI ever vote Labour, so at somewhat of a quandry as to who I will be voting for |
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"Rather than trying to win over Tory voters (who, let's face it, are quite unlikely to vote Labour) why not attract the people who didn't vote with radical policies that change the country for the better?
I agree that would be nice. But I don't think it would get them elected. Last time they had a leader who wanted to bring about change he was, after his initial surge in popularity, destroyed by a long sustained media campaign."
This. That Manifesto was decent but people didn't like who was putting it forward
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"Dont vote for Tories and dont vote for Labour as they are 2 sides of the same asshole
They're definitely moving that way.
The only way Labour can get elected is to out Tory the Tories.
I still think we're due another Conservative victory, and five more years of their rule.
Which is actually rubbish. There is huge popular support for policies such as nationalisation of water and energy, rebuilding the NHS etc.
At the last election the Torys got ~14m votes and Labour ~10m votes, however 20m odd people didn't vote at all.
Rather than trying to win over Tory voters (who, let's face it, are quite unlikely to vote Labour) why not attract the people who didn't vote with radical policies that change the country for the better?
Looks like I am one of the 20 million then.
And I see no one to vote for.
Does anyone know what would happen when there is more not voting than those who actually voted.
We get an even more unrepresentative parliament!
A more useful/visible stance to take would be to turn up and spoil your ballot as these are counted.
It shows you want to vote, but feel your desires are not being met. This could encourage more independent candidates, well if enough took this action, or possibly force the main parties to change their stance to gather up those disillusioned voters.
At present, non-voters are pretty much ignored as they don't seem to want a voice..."
I said that earlier in the thread, have a look at the reply |
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"Dont vote for Tories and dont vote for Labour as they are 2 sides of the same asshole
They're definitely moving that way.
The only way Labour can get elected is to out Tory the Tories.
I still think we're due another Conservative victory, and five more years of their rule.
Which is actually rubbish. There is huge popular support for policies such as nationalisation of water and energy, rebuilding the NHS etc.
At the last election the Torys got ~14m votes and Labour ~10m votes, however 20m odd people didn't vote at all.
Rather than trying to win over Tory voters (who, let's face it, are quite unlikely to vote Labour) why not attract the people who didn't vote with radical policies that change the country for the better?
Looks like I am one of the 20 million then.
And I see no one to vote for.
Does anyone know what would happen when there is more not voting than those who actually voted.
We get an even more unrepresentative parliament!
A more useful/visible stance to take would be to turn up and spoil your ballot as these are counted.
It shows you want to vote, but feel your desires are not being met. This could encourage more independent candidates, well if enough took this action, or possibly force the main parties to change their stance to gather up those disillusioned voters.
At present, non-voters are pretty much ignored as they don't seem to want a voice...
I think the pepple who choose not to register to vote realised a long time ago that politics do not solve the problems but creates them.
Possibly, but we have no other mechanism.
How do you propose changing government (both national and local) policy, without voting? Protest won't work, just get you arrested at present! Charity work, though fabulous, really shouldn't be needed (it's failure of government).
Actually changing the system needs representation, which means voting. If enough people voted Green, for example, we might end up with PR, which would break the two party str*nglehold.
Well voting will not change anything, but keep the satus quo ie: no progress just bickering and sh*t throwing.
Dissolution and prorogation is the way out every 4 years. "
Same shite different party, Labour are already setting the tone for their time in office as we don't know how bad it is until we get in.
Not waiting for that none of us should.
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By *apybarasCouple
over a year ago
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"Dont vote for Tories and dont vote for Labour as they are 2 sides of the same asshole
They're definitely moving that way.
The only way Labour can get elected is to out Tory the Tories.
I still think we're due another Conservative victory, and five more years of their rule.
Which is actually rubbish. There is huge popular support for policies such as nationalisation of water and energy, rebuilding the NHS etc.
At the last election the Torys got ~14m votes and Labour ~10m votes, however 20m odd people didn't vote at all.
Rather than trying to win over Tory voters (who, let's face it, are quite unlikely to vote Labour) why not attract the people who didn't vote with radical policies that change the country for the better?
Looks like I am one of the 20 million then.
And I see no one to vote for.
Does anyone know what would happen when there is more not voting than those who actually voted.
We get an even more unrepresentative parliament!
A more useful/visible stance to take would be to turn up and spoil your ballot as these are counted.
It shows you want to vote, but feel your desires are not being met. This could encourage more independent candidates, well if enough took this action, or possibly force the main parties to change their stance to gather up those disillusioned voters.
At present, non-voters are pretty much ignored as they don't seem to want a voice...
I think the pepple who choose not to register to vote realised a long time ago that politics do not solve the problems but creates them.
Possibly, but we have no other mechanism.
How do you propose changing government (both national and local) policy, without voting? Protest won't work, just get you arrested at present! Charity work, though fabulous, really shouldn't be needed (it's failure of government).
Actually changing the system needs representation, which means voting. If enough people voted Green, for example, we might end up with PR, which would break the two party str*nglehold.
Well voting will not change anything, but keep the satus quo ie: no progress just bickering and sh*t throwing.
Dissolution and prorogation is the way out every 4 years.
Same shite different party, Labour are already setting the tone for their time in office as we don't know how bad it is until we get in.
Not waiting for that none of us should.
If no one voted what would happen who knows?
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Very unlikely that no-one would vote.
But I find it interesting the rules this government have put in place (in regards turnout/majority required etc.) For a union to declare a strike.
Maybe the same should apply to candidates in a general election. If the constituency doesn't reach specific thresholds, they don't return an MP. |
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"Dont vote for Tories and dont vote for Labour as they are 2 sides of the same asshole
They're definitely moving that way.
The only way Labour can get elected is to out Tory the Tories.
I still think we're due another Conservative victory, and five more years of their rule.
Which is actually rubbish. There is huge popular support for policies such as nationalisation of water and energy, rebuilding the NHS etc.
At the last election the Torys got ~14m votes and Labour ~10m votes, however 20m odd people didn't vote at all.
Rather than trying to win over Tory voters (who, let's face it, are quite unlikely to vote Labour) why not attract the people who didn't vote with radical policies that change the country for the better?
Looks like I am one of the 20 million then.
And I see no one to vote for.
Does anyone know what would happen when there is more not voting than those who actually voted.
We get an even more unrepresentative parliament!
A more useful/visible stance to take would be to turn up and spoil your ballot as these are counted.
It shows you want to vote, but feel your desires are not being met. This could encourage more independent candidates, well if enough took this action, or possibly force the main parties to change their stance to gather up those disillusioned voters.
At present, non-voters are pretty much ignored as they don't seem to want a voice...
I think the pepple who choose not to register to vote realised a long time ago that politics do not solve the problems but creates them.
Possibly, but we have no other mechanism.
How do you propose changing government (both national and local) policy, without voting? Protest won't work, just get you arrested at present! Charity work, though fabulous, really shouldn't be needed (it's failure of government).
Actually changing the system needs representation, which means voting. If enough people voted Green, for example, we might end up with PR, which would break the two party str*nglehold.
Well voting will not change anything, but keep the satus quo ie: no progress just bickering and sh*t throwing.
Dissolution and prorogation is the way out every 4 years.
Same shite different party, Labour are already setting the tone for their time in office as we don't know how bad it is until we get in.
Not waiting for that none of us should.
If no one voted what would happen who knows?"
If nobody voted then every seat would be a tie, and decided by drawing lots. How a government would them be formed would be up for endless manoeuvrings, and the King would give assent to the group most likely to deliver a stable government. |
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"If Labour was to get into power under Keir Starmer, I probably would have to emigrate"
How come?
To my eyes he offers very little change, maybe less self serving and corrupt, but policy wise. No real change. |
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"If Labour was to get into power under Keir Starmer, I probably would have to emigrate
How come?
To my eyes he offers very little change, maybe less self serving and corrupt, but policy wise. No real change. "
Those are my thoughts as well, the news might as well say Labour will rule next year, no need for an election.
No there will be no real change just same old words rearranged in the same sentence. |
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I keep seeing this 'no real change' but I don't agree. Keir Starmer is of a similar ilk to Tony Blair imo. Tony Blair done some wonderful things for this country. I know, I know, he's tainted, but his record overall was the best I've seen if you're looking for 'equality'. |
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"I live in a safe Conservative seat, previously held by murdered MP Sir David Ames. His successor has been working very hard for the community, following in his footsteps, so to speak, but I'm afraid I can't vote for her while Sunak remains leader of the party."
What's Sunak done that's so bad it tainted the whole party? |
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"Dont vote for Tories and dont vote for Labour as they are 2 sides of the same asshole
They're definitely moving that way.
The only way Labour can get elected is to out Tory the Tories.
I still think we're due another Conservative victory, and five more years of their rule.
Which is actually rubbish. There is huge popular support for policies such as nationalisation of water and energy, rebuilding the NHS etc.
At the last election the Torys got ~14m votes and Labour ~10m votes, however 20m odd people didn't vote at all.
Rather than trying to win over Tory voters (who, let's face it, are quite unlikely to vote Labour) why not attract the people who didn't vote with radical policies that change the country for the better?
Looks like I am one of the 20 million then.
And I see no one to vote for.
Does anyone know what would happen when there is more not voting than those who actually voted.
We get an even more unrepresentative parliament!
A more useful/visible stance to take would be to turn up and spoil your ballot as these are counted.
It shows you want to vote, but feel your desires are not being met. This could encourage more independent candidates, well if enough took this action, or possibly force the main parties to change their stance to gather up those disillusioned voters.
At present, non-voters are pretty much ignored as they don't seem to want a voice...
I think the pepple who choose not to register to vote realised a long time ago that politics do not solve the problems but creates them.
Possibly, but we have no other mechanism.
How do you propose changing government (both national and local) policy, without voting? Protest won't work, just get you arrested at present! Charity work, though fabulous, really shouldn't be needed (it's failure of government).
Actually changing the system needs representation, which means voting. If enough people voted Green, for example, we might end up with PR, which would break the two party str*nglehold.
Well voting will not change anything, but keep the satus quo ie: no progress just bickering and sh*t throwing.
Dissolution and prorogation is the way out every 4 years.
Same shite different party, Labour are already setting the tone for their time in office as we don't know how bad it is until we get in.
Not waiting for that none of us should.
If no one voted what would happen who knows?
If nobody voted then every seat would be a tie, and decided by drawing lots. How a government would them be formed would be up for endless manoeuvrings, and the King would give assent to the group most likely to deliver a stable government."
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I think the only reasonable course is to spoil the ballot. Still needs to be counted, so you vote, but says "none of the above"
Not voting is not an option, you can be ignored, but a spoilt ballot still counts.
If we allow substandard politicians (of all parties) to gain power, substandard politicians is all we deserve...
#wedeservebetter |
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"I think the only reasonable course is to spoil the ballot. Still needs to be counted, so you vote, but says "none of the above"
Not voting is not an option, you can be ignored, but a spoilt ballot still counts.
If we allow substandard politicians (of all parties) to gain power, substandard politicians is all we deserve...
#wedeservebetter"
I hear you. |
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"If Labour was to get into power under Keir Starmer, I probably would have to emigrate
How come?
To my eyes he offers very little change, maybe less self serving and corrupt, but policy wise. No real change.
Those are my thoughts as well, the news might as well say Labour will rule next year, no need for an election.
No there will be no real change just same old words rearranged in the same sentence."
Basically. The small differences are eroding away as we approach the election. |
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"Well if people in here want to vote for Labour then fine but believe me you you will regret it especially when they run the countries finances to the ground"
More so than the Tories?
What makes you think that? |
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By *otMe66Man
over a year ago
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"Well if people in here want to vote for Labour then fine but believe me you you will regret it especially when they run the countries finances to the ground
More so than the Tories?
What makes you think that?"
Tories are a lot more thrifty, surely? You are always saying they don’t spend money on so many things. |
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"Well if people in here want to vote for Labour then fine but believe me you you will regret it especially when they run the countries finances to the ground"
And yet the only labour government of the past 40 years ran the economy very well. Better than the government previous, or any since. |
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"Well if people in here want to vote for Labour then fine but believe me you you will regret it especially when they run the countries finances to the ground
More so than the Tories?
What makes you think that?
Tories are a lot more thrifty, surely? You are always saying they don’t spend money on so many things."
When being thrifty leads to services being cut, it’s not necessarily a good thing.
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Well the last Labour Chief Secretary to the treasury Liam Byrne when in government said this when the coalition were voted in and I quote - "Dear Chief Secretary, I'm afraid there is no money. Kind regards – and good luck! Liam." to then turn around and say it was a joke after the country's finances was at it kness at the time? Now dont know about you guys but as a british tax payer that's something I have to worry about if Labour try a stunt like that again if god forbid if they were to be in power again |
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"Well if people in here want to vote for Labour then fine but believe me you you will regret it especially when they run the countries finances to the ground
More so than the Tories?
What makes you think that?
Tories are a lot more thrifty, surely? You are always saying they don’t spend money on so many things."
You have me mixed up with someone else.
Even before brexit and the pandemic, the Tories had borrowed more money than all previous governments combined. |
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"Well the last Labour Chief Secretary to the treasury Liam Byrne when in government said this when the coalition were voted in and I quote - "Dear Chief Secretary, I'm afraid there is no money. Kind regards – and good luck! Liam." to then turn around and say it was a joke after the country's finances was at it kness at the time? Now dont know about you guys but as a british tax payer that's something I have to worry about if Labour try a stunt like that again if god forbid if they were to be in power again"
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"Well the last Labour Chief Secretary to the treasury Liam Byrne when in government said this when the coalition were voted in and I quote - "Dear Chief Secretary, I'm afraid there is no money. Kind regards – and good luck! Liam." to then turn around and say it was a joke after the country's finances was at it kness at the time? Now dont know about you guys but as a british tax payer that's something I have to worry about if Labour try a stunt like that again if god forbid if they were to be in power again"
It’s a traditional joke to leave a note. All governments do it. |
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"And yet the only labour government of the past 40 years ran the economy very well. Better than the government previous, or any since.
How are you measuring that?"
Oh…year mean sub prime mortgage Brown..the man who sold out gold reserves off a t the bottom of the market… the man who trashed my final salary pension, but hey, I’m not fortunate to be working in the public sector am I… I could go on but unless you worked in the finanice industry at the time and really witnessed what was going on, you wouldn’t understand |
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"And yet the only labour government of the past 40 years ran the economy very well. Better than the government previous, or any since.
How are you measuring that?
Oh…year mean sub prime mortgage Brown..the man who sold out gold reserves off a t the bottom of the market… the man who trashed my final salary pension, but hey, I’m not fortunate to be working in the public sector am I… I could go on but unless you worked in the finanice industry at the time and really witnessed what was going on, you wouldn’t understand "
Who works in the public sector here, pal? |
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"And yet the only labour government of the past 40 years ran the economy very well. Better than the government previous, or any since.
How are you measuring that?"
I’m relying on people more knowledgeable than I. Experts, if you will.
https://theconversation.com/labour-are-much-better-at-running-the-economy-than-voters-think-new-research-162368 |
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By *otMe66Man
over a year ago
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"Well if people in here want to vote for Labour then fine but believe me you you will regret it especially when they run the countries finances to the ground
More so than the Tories?
What makes you think that?
Tories are a lot more thrifty, surely? You are always saying they don’t spend money on so many things.
When being thrifty leads to services being cut, it’s not necessarily a good thing.
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Spending money you haven’t got is worse, but that is of no concern |
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"Well if people in here want to vote for Labour then fine but believe me you you will regret it especially when they run the countries finances to the ground
More so than the Tories?
What makes you think that?
Tories are a lot more thrifty, surely? You are always saying they don’t spend money on so many things.
When being thrifty leads to services being cut, it’s not necessarily a good thing.
Spending money you haven’t got is worse, but that is of no concern"
How’s the national debt performed since 2010? |
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"And yet the only labour government of the past 40 years ran the economy very well. Better than the government previous, or any since.
How are you measuring that?
Oh…year mean sub prime mortgage Brown..the man who sold out gold reserves off a t the bottom of the market… the man who trashed my final salary pension, but hey, I’m not fortunate to be working in the public sector am I… I could go on but unless you worked in the finanice industry at the time and really witnessed what was going on, you wouldn’t understand
Who works in the public sector here, pal?"
No idea .. pal… I’m just saying what happened to the private sector pension provision in the Uk until that cunt Brown fucked it up and spunked the billions up wall. It cost me big time |
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By *otMe66Man
over a year ago
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"Well if people in here want to vote for Labour then fine but believe me you you will regret it especially when they run the countries finances to the ground
More so than the Tories?
What makes you think that?
Tories are a lot more thrifty, surely? You are always saying they don’t spend money on so many things.
You have me mixed up with someone else.
Even before brexit and the pandemic, the Tories had borrowed more money than all previous governments combined."
Why do you think governments borrow money? I would appreciate a considered answer and not a question |
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"Well if people in here want to vote for Labour then fine but believe me you you will regret it especially when they run the countries finances to the ground
More so than the Tories?
What makes you think that?
Tories are a lot more thrifty, surely? You are always saying they don’t spend money on so many things.
When being thrifty leads to services being cut, it’s not necessarily a good thing.
Spending money you haven’t got is worse, but that is of no concern
How’s the national debt performed since 2010?"
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"Well if people in here want to vote for Labour then fine but believe me you you will regret it especially when they run the countries finances to the ground
More so than the Tories?
What makes you think that?
Tories are a lot more thrifty, surely? You are always saying they don’t spend money on so many things.
You have me mixed up with someone else.
Even before brexit and the pandemic, the Tories had borrowed more money than all previous governments combined.
Why do you think governments borrow money? I would appreciate a considered answer and not a question "
Governments in general borrow money to pay for services.
The Tories borrow money to prop up BAE etc, the fossil fuels industry, and their pals who set up new PPE businesses. |
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"Well if people in here want to vote for Labour then fine but believe me you you will regret it especially when they run the countries finances to the ground
More so than the Tories?
What makes you think that?
Tories are a lot more thrifty, surely? You are always saying they don’t spend money on so many things.
You have me mixed up with someone else.
Even before brexit and the pandemic, the Tories had borrowed more money than all previous governments combined.
Why do you think governments borrow money? I would appreciate a considered answer and not a question
Governments in general borrow money to pay for services.
The Tories borrow money to prop up BAE etc, the fossil fuels industry, and their pals who set up new PPE businesses."
What services do they borrow money to pay for? |
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"Well if people in here want to vote for Labour then fine but believe me you you will regret it especially when they run the countries finances to the ground
More so than the Tories?
What makes you think that?
Tories are a lot more thrifty, surely? You are always saying they don’t spend money on so many things.
You have me mixed up with someone else.
Even before brexit and the pandemic, the Tories had borrowed more money than all previous governments combined.
Why do you think governments borrow money? I would appreciate a considered answer and not a question
Governments in general borrow money to pay for services.
The Tories borrow money to prop up BAE etc, the fossil fuels industry, and their pals who set up new PPE businesses.
What services do they borrow money to pay for?"
Can you tell me why you're asking this, then maybe I might be able to help. |
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over a year ago
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"Well if people in here want to vote for Labour then fine but believe me you you will regret it especially when they run the countries finances to the ground
More so than the Tories?
What makes you think that?
Tories are a lot more thrifty, surely? You are always saying they don’t spend money on so many things.
You have me mixed up with someone else.
Even before brexit and the pandemic, the Tories had borrowed more money than all previous governments combined.
Why do you think governments borrow money? I would appreciate a considered answer and not a question
Governments in general borrow money to pay for services.
The Tories borrow money to prop up BAE etc, the fossil fuels industry, and their pals who set up new PPE businesses.
What services do they borrow money to pay for?
Can you tell me why you're asking this, then maybe I might be able to help."
I want to gauge your actual understanding of government borrowing, I haven’t commented on your soundbites. |
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"Well if people in here want to vote for Labour then fine but believe me you you will regret it especially when they run the countries finances to the ground
More so than the Tories?
What makes you think that?
Tories are a lot more thrifty, surely? You are always saying they don’t spend money on so many things.
You have me mixed up with someone else.
Even before brexit and the pandemic, the Tories had borrowed more money than all previous governments combined.
Why do you think governments borrow money? I would appreciate a considered answer and not a question
Governments in general borrow money to pay for services.
The Tories borrow money to prop up BAE etc, the fossil fuels industry, and their pals who set up new PPE businesses.
What services do they borrow money to pay for?
Can you tell me why you're asking this, then maybe I might be able to help.
I want to gauge your actual understanding of government borrowing, I haven’t commented on your soundbites. "
Which government? You said "Why do you think governments borrow money" which is extremely vague. Maybe the Mongolian government borrow for things I don't know about.
And maybe you could explain what your perception of my level of understanding has to do with the fact that even before the brexit and COVID disasters, the Tories had borrowed more money that all previous governments combined. |
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"And yet the only labour government of the past 40 years ran the economy very well. Better than the government previous, or any since.
How are you measuring that?
Oh…year mean sub prime mortgage Brown..the man who sold out gold reserves off a t the bottom of the market… the man who trashed my final salary pension, but hey, I’m not fortunate to be working in the public sector am I… I could go on but unless you worked in the finanice industry at the time and really witnessed what was going on, you wouldn’t understand
Who works in the public sector here, pal?
No idea .. pal… I’m just saying what happened to the private sector pension provision in the Uk until that cunt Brown fucked it up and spunked the billions up wall. It cost me big time "
And yet actual economists believe that Brown did a fine job and saved us from the worst of the financial crash.
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"Well if people in here want to vote for Labour then fine but believe me you you will regret it especially when they run the countries finances to the ground
More so than the Tories?
What makes you think that?
Tories are a lot more thrifty, surely? You are always saying they don’t spend money on so many things.
You have me mixed up with someone else.
Even before brexit and the pandemic, the Tories had borrowed more money than all previous governments combined.
Why do you think governments borrow money? I would appreciate a considered answer and not a question
Governments in general borrow money to pay for services.
The Tories borrow money to prop up BAE etc, the fossil fuels industry, and their pals who set up new PPE businesses.
What services do they borrow money to pay for?
Can you tell me why you're asking this, then maybe I might be able to help.
I want to gauge your actual understanding of government borrowing, I haven’t commented on your soundbites.
Which government? You said "Why do you think governments borrow money" which is extremely vague. Maybe the Mongolian government borrow for things I don't know about.
And maybe you could explain what your perception of my level of understanding has to do with the fact that even before the brexit and COVID disasters, the Tories had borrowed more money that all previous governments combined."
There is no point continuing this particular avenue, based on your understanding, unless you are willing to explore past your own bias? But we got it out the way, and it hasn’t become an argument |
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"Well if people in here want to vote for Labour then fine but believe me you you will regret it especially when they run the countries finances to the ground
More so than the Tories?
What makes you think that?
Tories are a lot more thrifty, surely? You are always saying they don’t spend money on so many things.
You have me mixed up with someone else.
Even before brexit and the pandemic, the Tories had borrowed more money than all previous governments combined.
Why do you think governments borrow money? I would appreciate a considered answer and not a question
Governments in general borrow money to pay for services.
The Tories borrow money to prop up BAE etc, the fossil fuels industry, and their pals who set up new PPE businesses.
What services do they borrow money to pay for?
Can you tell me why you're asking this, then maybe I might be able to help.
I want to gauge your actual understanding of government borrowing, I haven’t commented on your soundbites.
Which government? You said "Why do you think governments borrow money" which is extremely vague. Maybe the Mongolian government borrow for things I don't know about.
And maybe you could explain what your perception of my level of understanding has to do with the fact that even before the brexit and COVID disasters, the Tories had borrowed more money that all previous governments combined.
There is no point continuing this particular avenue, based on your understanding, unless you are willing to explore past your own bias? But we got it out the way, and it hasn’t become an argument "
Excellent. No idea what any of this has got to do with the points being made, so I agree there is no point in continuing this avenue. |
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"If Labour was to get into power under Keir Starmer, I probably would have to emigrate
How come?
To my eyes he offers very little change, maybe less self serving and corrupt, but policy wise. No real change.
Those are my thoughts as well, the news might as well say Labour will rule next year, no need for an election.
No there will be no real change just same old words rearranged in the same sentence.
Basically. The small differences are eroding away as we approach the election. "
All that I know is Labour are not doing what they first said under the new leader.
Rich left alone
Banks left alone
utilities left alone
And lastly if they win they will say the tories have left a right mess, echoing 13 years ago.
Thats why I am now lost, labour are now in the hands of business and will do their bidding.
The country needs to say no to all political parties as you cannot trust any of them. |
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"And yet the only labour government of the past 40 years ran the economy very well. Better than the government previous, or any since."
"How are you measuring that?"
"I’m relying on people more knowledgeable than I. Experts, if you will.
https://theconversation.com/labour-are-much-better-at-running-the-economy-than-voters-think-new-research-162368"
Perhaps you should re-read that article. It uses the phrase "statistically insignificant" rather a lot.
That article makes the point that Labour are not as bad as everyone thinks, but it doesn't go so far as to say that they ran the economy well. It doesn't make any analysis of the Blair/Brown government, or indeed any specific government. The article certainly doesn't support your claim that the last Labour government ran the economy better than any other.
So again, how are you measuring 'better' when comparing Blair/Brown with any other government? |
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By *otMe66Man
over a year ago
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"If Labour was to get into power under Keir Starmer, I probably would have to emigrate
How come?
To my eyes he offers very little change, maybe less self serving and corrupt, but policy wise. No real change.
Those are my thoughts as well, the news might as well say Labour will rule next year, no need for an election.
No there will be no real change just same old words rearranged in the same sentence.
Basically. The small differences are eroding away as we approach the election.
All that I know is Labour are not doing what they first said under the new leader.
Rich left alone
Banks left alone
utilities left alone
And lastly if they win they will say the tories have left a right mess, echoing 13 years ago.
Thats why I am now lost, labour are now in the hands of business and will do their bidding.
The country needs to say no to all political parties as you cannot trust any of them."
Sounds like you have a plan or an outcome in your head better than what we have today?
What is that? |
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"Well the last Labour Chief Secretary to the treasury Liam Byrne when in government said this when the coalition were voted in and I quote - "Dear Chief Secretary, I'm afraid there is no money. Kind regards – and good luck! Liam." to then turn around and say it was a joke after the country's finances was at it kness at the time? Now dont know about you guys but as a british tax payer that's something I have to worry about if Labour try a stunt like that again if god forbid if they were to be in power again
It’s a traditional joke to leave a note. All governments do it. "
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"Well the last Labour Chief Secretary to the treasury Liam Byrne when in government said this when the coalition were voted in and I quote - "Dear Chief Secretary, I'm afraid there is no money. Kind regards – and good luck! Liam." to then turn around and say it was a joke after the country's finances was at it kness at the time? Now dont know about you guys but as a british tax payer that's something I have to worry about if Labour try a stunt like that again if god forbid if they were to be in power again
It’s a traditional joke to leave a note. All governments do it. not when you're playing with people finances it aint"
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"And yet the only labour government of the past 40 years ran the economy very well. Better than the government previous, or any since.
How are you measuring that?
I’m relying on people more knowledgeable than I. Experts, if you will.
https://theconversation.com/labour-are-much-better-at-running-the-economy-than-voters-think-new-research-162368
Perhaps you should re-read that article. It uses the phrase "statistically insignificant" rather a lot.
That article makes the point that Labour are not as bad as everyone thinks, but it doesn't go so far as to say that they ran the economy well. It doesn't make any analysis of the Blair/Brown government, or indeed any specific government. The article certainly doesn't support your claim that the last Labour government ran the economy better than any other.
So again, how are you measuring 'better' when comparing Blair/Brown with any other government?"
I can only assume you didn’t look at the very first graph in the piece. |
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"If Labour was to get into power under Keir Starmer, I probably would have to emigrate
How come?
To my eyes he offers very little change, maybe less self serving and corrupt, but policy wise. No real change.
Those are my thoughts as well, the news might as well say Labour will rule next year, no need for an election.
No there will be no real change just same old words rearranged in the same sentence.
Basically. The small differences are eroding away as we approach the election.
All that I know is Labour are not doing what they first said under the new leader.
Rich left alone
Banks left alone
utilities left alone
And lastly if they win they will say the tories have left a right mess, echoing 13 years ago.
Thats why I am now lost, labour are now in the hands of business and will do their bidding.
The country needs to say no to all political parties as you cannot trust any of them.
Sounds like you have a plan or an outcome in your head better than what we have today?
What is that?"
You heard wrong, being lost is not to have a plan. |
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By *otMe66Man
over a year ago
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"If Labour was to get into power under Keir Starmer, I probably would have to emigrate
How come?
To my eyes he offers very little change, maybe less self serving and corrupt, but policy wise. No real change.
Those are my thoughts as well, the news might as well say Labour will rule next year, no need for an election.
No there will be no real change just same old words rearranged in the same sentence.
Basically. The small differences are eroding away as we approach the election.
All that I know is Labour are not doing what they first said under the new leader.
Rich left alone
Banks left alone
utilities left alone
And lastly if they win they will say the tories have left a right mess, echoing 13 years ago.
Thats why I am now lost, labour are now in the hands of business and will do their bidding.
The country needs to say no to all political parties as you cannot trust any of them.
Sounds like you have a plan or an outcome in your head better than what we have today?
What is that?
You heard wrong, being lost is not to have a plan."
You said the country needs to say no to all political parties.
That indicates a level of thought, not lost.
Or are you simply saying "you are lost" |
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"If Labour was to get into power under Keir Starmer, I probably would have to emigrate
How come?
To my eyes he offers very little change, maybe less self serving and corrupt, but policy wise. No real change.
Those are my thoughts as well, the news might as well say Labour will rule next year, no need for an election.
No there will be no real change just same old words rearranged in the same sentence.
Basically. The small differences are eroding away as we approach the election.
All that I know is Labour are not doing what they first said under the new leader.
Rich left alone
Banks left alone
utilities left alone
And lastly if they win they will say the tories have left a right mess, echoing 13 years ago.
Thats why I am now lost, labour are now in the hands of business and will do their bidding.
The country needs to say no to all political parties as you cannot trust any of them.
Sounds like you have a plan or an outcome in your head better than what we have today?
What is that?
You heard wrong, being lost is not to have a plan.
You said the country needs to say no to all political parties.
That indicates a level of thought, not lost.
Or are you simply saying "you are lost" "
Take it as you wish I cannot or would not influence you, that is my final word to you on this subject. |
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"Well the last Labour Chief Secretary to the treasury Liam Byrne when in government said this when the coalition were voted in and I quote - "Dear Chief Secretary, I'm afraid there is no money. Kind regards – and good luck! Liam." to then turn around and say it was a joke after the country's finances was at it kness at the time? Now dont know about you guys but as a british tax payer that's something I have to worry about if Labour try a stunt like that again if god forbid if they were to be in power again
It’s a traditional joke to leave a note. All governments do it. not when you're playing with people finances it aint
You must really hate the current gov. then."
Like I said before, Tories and Labour are 2 sides of the same asshole |
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"Well the last Labour Chief Secretary to the treasury Liam Byrne when in government said this when the coalition were voted in and I quote - "Dear Chief Secretary, I'm afraid there is no money. Kind regards – and good luck! Liam." to then turn around and say it was a joke after the country's finances was at it kness at the time? Now dont know about you guys but as a british tax payer that's something I have to worry about if Labour try a stunt like that again if god forbid if they were to be in power again
It’s a traditional joke to leave a note. All governments do it. not when you're playing with people finances it aint
You must really hate the current gov. then. Like I said before, Tories and Labour are 2 sides of the same asshole"
So why emigrate under labour but not the tories? |
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I am contemplating leaving this country altogether not just because of the politics. As well as this country being too expensive, weather sucks although it been good lately but never last long, people are too anti social and stuck up (doesnt apply to everyone), public transport is below standard, crimes too high for my liking and other things I cant get into for personal reasons |
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"And yet the only labour government of the past 40 years ran the economy very well. Better than the government previous, or any since."
"How are you measuring that?"
"I’m relying on people more knowledgeable than I. Experts, if you will.
https://theconversation.com/labour-are-much-better-at-running-the-economy-than-voters-think-new-research-162368"
"Perhaps you should re-read that article. It uses the phrase "statistically insignificant" rather a lot.
That article makes the point that Labour are not as bad as everyone thinks, but it doesn't go so far as to say that they ran the economy well. It doesn't make any analysis of the Blair/Brown government, or indeed any specific government. The article certainly doesn't support your claim that the last Labour government ran the economy better than any other.
So again, how are you measuring 'better' when comparing Blair/Brown with any other government?"
"I can only assume you didn’t look at the very first graph in the piece."
The one showing "Growth by administration since 1955"? The figures say that the immediately preceding Thatcher/Major government did slightly better. |
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"And yet the only labour government of the past 40 years ran the economy very well. Better than the government previous, or any since.
How are you measuring that?
I’m relying on people more knowledgeable than I. Experts, if you will.
https://theconversation.com/labour-are-much-better-at-running-the-economy-than-voters-think-new-research-162368
Perhaps you should re-read that article. It uses the phrase "statistically insignificant" rather a lot.
That article makes the point that Labour are not as bad as everyone thinks, but it doesn't go so far as to say that they ran the economy well. It doesn't make any analysis of the Blair/Brown government, or indeed any specific government. The article certainly doesn't support your claim that the last Labour government ran the economy better than any other.
So again, how are you measuring 'better' when comparing Blair/Brown with any other government?
I can only assume you didn’t look at the very first graph in the piece.
The one showing "Growth by administration since 1955"? The figures say that the immediately preceding Thatcher/Major government did slightly better."
Plus I don't prefer going by economic growth during a party's rule as a good measure. Most economic policies take a lot of time to show result. The results may even show up after the party is out of rule. Making connection between cause and effect in economics is really hard. So most parties can use random statistics to claim that their party did well. |
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