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"Parents are shocked that schools have to close for immediate repair? Is this really the type of person living in the world today?" They are the type of person the BBC quote for their headlines.. | |||
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"Yes like Andrew Bowie the Energy Minister said in a interview last week. We should only talk about the positives. They should have been focusing on the opportunity of upgrading these buildings and how this will be good for the schools." No, they shouldn't only speak of positives. However, the schools are closing for repairs. Whilst that will be an inconvenience to parents, better that than a roof collapsing. Honestly, the thought that some people will always look towards the negative is frightening. | |||
"Yes like Andrew Bowie the Energy Minister said in a interview last week. We should only talk about the positives. They should have been focusing on the opportunity of upgrading these buildings and how this will be good for the schools. No, they shouldn't only speak of positives. However, the schools are closing for repairs. Whilst that will be an inconvenience to parents, better that than a roof collapsing. Honestly, the thought that some people will always look towards the negative is frightening. " Exactly! The number of people on this forum who thrive in the negative and love to inform anyone who doesn't agree they are being manipulated by the press, is ironic, reading how the BBC promote that negative view to the forefront. | |||
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"Here is a headline on the story. "THOUSANDS of schoolkids could be getting taught in potentially dangerous classrooms that could collapse. Fears have been sparked over dodgy building materials used to construct schools across the country." Is this from the anti-tory BBC. No its from the anti-tory Sun newspaper." Who have a history of changing sides when it suits them... | |||
"Yes like Andrew Bowie the Energy Minister said in a interview last week. We should only talk about the positives. They should have been focusing on the opportunity of upgrading these buildings and how this will be good for the schools. No, they shouldn't only speak of positives. However, the schools are closing for repairs. Whilst that will be an inconvenience to parents, better that than a roof collapsing. Honestly, the thought that some people will always look towards the negative is frightening. Exactly! The number of people on this forum who thrive in the negative and love to inform anyone who doesn't agree they are being manipulated by the press, is ironic, reading how the BBC promote that negative view to the forefront. " The inevitable conclusion of nearly 50 years of Thatcherite Neo-Liberal Dogma and a lovely metaphor for its inevitable collapse EVEN THOUGH Keir Starmer is going to keep it going whilst having the GALL to wear a red tie instead of a blue one. The schools illustrate the very succinctly the state of the nation as venture capitalists & their corrupt stooges in Parliament hollow out the state leaving a shell that a gust of wind would blow over! That collapse IS on the horizon. | |||
"Yes like Andrew Bowie the Energy Minister said in a interview last week. We should only talk about the positives. They should have been focusing on the opportunity of upgrading these buildings and how this will be good for the schools. No, they shouldn't only speak of positives. However, the schools are closing for repairs. Whilst that will be an inconvenience to parents, better that than a roof collapsing. Honestly, the thought that some people will always look towards the negative is frightening. Exactly! The number of people on this forum who thrive in the negative and love to inform anyone who doesn't agree they are being manipulated by the press, is ironic, reading how the BBC promote that negative view to the forefront. The inevitable conclusion of nearly 50 years of Thatcherite Neo-Liberal Dogma and a lovely metaphor for its inevitable collapse EVEN THOUGH Keir Starmer is going to keep it going whilst having the GALL to wear a red tie instead of a blue one. The schools illustrate the very succinctly the state of the nation as venture capitalists & their corrupt stooges in Parliament hollow out the state leaving a shell that a gust of wind would blow over! That collapse IS on the horizon." What on earth are you trying to say! The concrete was produced after WW2, are you holding this government accountable for that, or all governments? | |||
"Here is a headline on the story. "THOUSANDS of schoolkids could be getting taught in potentially dangerous classrooms that could collapse. Fears have been sparked over dodgy building materials used to construct schools across the country." Is this from the anti-tory BBC. No its from the anti-tory Sun newspaper. Who have a history of changing sides when it suits them..." Make no mistake about it, The Sun will be supporting Labour next year. | |||
"The BBC the trusted, unbiased media outlet of the UK, or an ageing institution trying desperately to be more in the moment? The standard or reporting has slipped for sure, however it is becoming more and more unbiased, as if feathering its own nest come the next GE... Example: The reporting of aerated concrete being discovered in schools, paints a picture of anger and shock at the governments timing of the announcement. They lead with: Parents have described their shock at being told their children's schools need to close due to the risk of dangerous concrete collapses. It turns out to be 100 schools need to close some areas in their school. They then go on to say "It is unclear how many schools have had to fully close, but it could be as many as 24". They add stories of parent anger at the timings, the disgrace of yet another government failing, quotes from the shadow education secretary, and finally adding this piece into the mix: "The government has not said when a list of affected buildings will be published - drawing criticism from the Labour Party, which wants an audit of all public properties - but the BBC has been compiling its own". Shambles of a story, yet truly reflective of the BBC. " This is just another tory cash grab, yet another con. The education dept knew at least 15 months ago of the state of schools, but I would say years, as I remember the stories of unfit port-a cabins as classrooms. Do not forget how the Tory operates. !, no investment, watch infrastructure fail. 2, shock story on the news, gov vows to fix things quickly. 3, Hire mates to complete work. 4, do it quickly as to avoid financial scrutiny. They will continue to steal cash as much as they can, and will continue to do, even after they have gone. | |||
"The BBC the trusted, unbiased media outlet of the UK, or an ageing institution trying desperately to be more in the moment? The standard or reporting has slipped for sure, however it is becoming more and more unbiased, as if feathering its own nest come the next GE... Example: The reporting of aerated concrete being discovered in schools, paints a picture of anger and shock at the governments timing of the announcement. They lead with: Parents have described their shock at being told their children's schools need to close due to the risk of dangerous concrete collapses. It turns out to be 100 schools need to close some areas in their school. They then go on to say "It is unclear how many schools have had to fully close, but it could be as many as 24". They add stories of parent anger at the timings, the disgrace of yet another government failing, quotes from the shadow education secretary, and finally adding this piece into the mix: "The government has not said when a list of affected buildings will be published - drawing criticism from the Labour Party, which wants an audit of all public properties - but the BBC has been compiling its own". Shambles of a story, yet truly reflective of the BBC. This is just another tory cash grab, yet another con. The education dept knew at least 15 months ago of the state of schools, but I would say years, as I remember the stories of unfit port-a cabins as classrooms. Do not forget how the Tory operates. !, no investment, watch infrastructure fail. 2, shock story on the news, gov vows to fix things quickly. 3, Hire mates to complete work. 4, do it quickly as to avoid financial scrutiny. They will continue to steal cash as much as they can, and will continue to do, even after they have gone. " The brainwashing is real  | |||
"Here is a headline on the story. "THOUSANDS of schoolkids could be getting taught in potentially dangerous classrooms that could collapse. Fears have been sparked over dodgy building materials used to construct schools across the country." Is this from the anti-tory BBC. No its from the anti-tory Sun newspaper. Who have a history of changing sides when it suits them... Make no mistake about it, The Sun will be supporting Labour next year. " Yet it will be the BBC that keeps popping up on these threads for being biased. Am not a particular fan of the BBC. But like I said on another thread about Hugh Edwards. People take every opportunity about jumping on the BBC because of their own political leanings. I said that the same people ignored similar or worse offences in other large institutions like the Met police etc. This was proven when there was hardly a whisper on the forums after the Met officer jailed for r***s was the headline a few weeks ago. | |||
"The BBC the trusted, unbiased media outlet of the UK, or an ageing institution trying desperately to be more in the moment? The standard or reporting has slipped for sure, however it is becoming more and more unbiased, as if feathering its own nest come the next GE... Example: The reporting of aerated concrete being discovered in schools, paints a picture of anger and shock at the governments timing of the announcement. They lead with: Parents have described their shock at being told their children's schools need to close due to the risk of dangerous concrete collapses. It turns out to be 100 schools need to close some areas in their school. They then go on to say "It is unclear how many schools have had to fully close, but it could be as many as 24". They add stories of parent anger at the timings, the disgrace of yet another government failing, quotes from the shadow education secretary, and finally adding this piece into the mix: "The government has not said when a list of affected buildings will be published - drawing criticism from the Labour Party, which wants an audit of all public properties - but the BBC has been compiling its own". Shambles of a story, yet truly reflective of the BBC. This is just another tory cash grab, yet another con. The education dept knew at least 15 months ago of the state of schools, but I would say years, as I remember the stories of unfit port-a cabins as classrooms. Do not forget how the Tory operates. !, no investment, watch infrastructure fail. 2, shock story on the news, gov vows to fix things quickly. 3, Hire mates to complete work. 4, do it quickly as to avoid financial scrutiny. They will continue to steal cash as much as they can, and will continue to do, even after they have gone. The brainwashing is real "Hmmm I think there is some truth in all of that. Let’s see which companies are awarded the contracts to put this right. BBC vs Sun etc aside... why wasn’t this work planned to take place over the summer holidays to minimise disruption? | |||
"Here is a headline on the story. "THOUSANDS of schoolkids could be getting taught in potentially dangerous classrooms that could collapse. Fears have been sparked over dodgy building materials used to construct schools across the country." Is this from the anti-tory BBC. No its from the anti-tory Sun newspaper. Who have a history of changing sides when it suits them... Make no mistake about it, The Sun will be supporting Labour next year. Yet it will be the BBC that keeps popping up on these threads for being biased. Am not a particular fan of the BBC. But like I said on another thread about Hugh Edwards. People take every opportunity about jumping on the BBC because of their own political leanings. I said that the same people ignored similar or worse offences in other large institutions like the Met police etc. This was proven when there was hardly a whisper on the forums after the Met officer jailed for r***s was the headline a few weeks ago." I haven't said anything about the BBC. I said The Sun will be supporting Labour. Besides, headlines like that (not that I could actually verify that as a legit headline) are expected from The Sun. | |||
"The BBC the trusted, unbiased media outlet of the UK, or an ageing institution trying desperately to be more in the moment? The standard or reporting has slipped for sure, however it is becoming more and more unbiased, as if feathering its own nest come the next GE... Example: The reporting of aerated concrete being discovered in schools, paints a picture of anger and shock at the governments timing of the announcement. They lead with: Parents have described their shock at being told their children's schools need to close due to the risk of dangerous concrete collapses. It turns out to be 100 schools need to close some areas in their school. They then go on to say "It is unclear how many schools have had to fully close, but it could be as many as 24". They add stories of parent anger at the timings, the disgrace of yet another government failing, quotes from the shadow education secretary, and finally adding this piece into the mix: "The government has not said when a list of affected buildings will be published - drawing criticism from the Labour Party, which wants an audit of all public properties - but the BBC has been compiling its own". Shambles of a story, yet truly reflective of the BBC. This is just another tory cash grab, yet another con. The education dept knew at least 15 months ago of the state of schools, but I would say years, as I remember the stories of unfit port-a cabins as classrooms. Do not forget how the Tory operates. !, no investment, watch infrastructure fail. 2, shock story on the news, gov vows to fix things quickly. 3, Hire mates to complete work. 4, do it quickly as to avoid financial scrutiny. They will continue to steal cash as much as they can, and will continue to do, even after they have gone. The brainwashing is real
Hmmm I think there is some truth in all of that. Let’s see which companies are awarded the contracts to put this right.
BBC vs Sun etc aside... why wasn’t this work planned to take place over the summer holidays to minimise disruption? "It will no doubt be a company on a proffered supplier list, and they may well donate to the party. That does not mean The Tories have created some sort of crisis out of nepotism. I agree this should've been carried out over summer, that's a fair question to level at Govt but I don't know the answer. | |||
"The BBC the trusted, unbiased media outlet of the UK, or an ageing institution trying desperately to be more in the moment? The standard or reporting has slipped for sure, however it is becoming more and more unbiased, as if feathering its own nest come the next GE... Example: The reporting of aerated concrete being discovered in schools, paints a picture of anger and shock at the governments timing of the announcement. They lead with: Parents have described their shock at being told their children's schools need to close due to the risk of dangerous concrete collapses. It turns out to be 100 schools need to close some areas in their school. They then go on to say "It is unclear how many schools have had to fully close, but it could be as many as 24". They add stories of parent anger at the timings, the disgrace of yet another government failing, quotes from the shadow education secretary, and finally adding this piece into the mix: "The government has not said when a list of affected buildings will be published - drawing criticism from the Labour Party, which wants an audit of all public properties - but the BBC has been compiling its own". Shambles of a story, yet truly reflective of the BBC. This is just another tory cash grab, yet another con. The education dept knew at least 15 months ago of the state of schools, but I would say years, as I remember the stories of unfit port-a cabins as classrooms. Do not forget how the Tory operates. !, no investment, watch infrastructure fail. 2, shock story on the news, gov vows to fix things quickly. 3, Hire mates to complete work. 4, do it quickly as to avoid financial scrutiny. They will continue to steal cash as much as they can, and will continue to do, even after they have gone. The brainwashing is real
Hmmm I think there is some truth in all of that. Let’s see which companies are awarded the contracts to put this right.
BBC vs Sun etc aside... why wasn’t this work planned to take place over the summer holidays to minimise disruption?
It will no doubt be a company on a proffered supplier list, and they may well donate to the party.
That does not mean The Tories have created some sort of crisis out of nepotism.
I agree this should've been carried out over summer, that's a fair question to level at Govt but I don't know the answer. "In theory the supplier will need to be on the right procurement roster/framework. Not sure whether this sort of thing sits with local authority procurement teams or Crown Commercial Service? However, there will be multiple suppliers on any framework so what will be interesting is who secures the contracts and what connection they have with either the Govt or local authority party. I don’t think it is a manufactured crisis but there is something about not fixing the roof when the sun is shining. Let things get gradually worse through lack of proactive action (investment) and then it will ultimately cost more and must be addressed quickly. Seems the aerated concrete issue may also be a problem for hospitals! | |||
"why wasn’t this work planned to take place over the summer holidays to minimise disruption? " Because this problem has been known about and fully documented since the very beginning of the use of aerated concrete. It only has a lifespan of 30 years, at that point it can collapse without any warning at all, it could happen straight away or it could happen some years latter. Either way, it will happen. Nearly all public built buildings between the mid 1060's and 1990's have been constructed using aerated concrete. Mostly it was used for ceilings and floors. But if the walls are also constructed from aerated concrete, the only way to rectify the problem is complete demolition and then rebuild. My guess is that none of these schools can be rectified unless demolished and rebuilt, that's why the schools have been closed. Once cracks are found in the aerated concrete, it's a clear sign that collapse is not far off. | |||
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"The BBC the trusted, unbiased media outlet of the UK, or an ageing institution trying desperately to be more in the moment? The standard or reporting has slipped for sure, however it is becoming more and more unbiased, as if feathering its own nest come the next GE... Example: The reporting of aerated concrete being discovered in schools, paints a picture of anger and shock at the governments timing of the announcement. They lead with: Parents have described their shock at being told their children's schools need to close due to the risk of dangerous concrete collapses. It turns out to be 100 schools need to close some areas in their school. They then go on to say "It is unclear how many schools have had to fully close, but it could be as many as 24". They add stories of parent anger at the timings, the disgrace of yet another government failing, quotes from the shadow education secretary, and finally adding this piece into the mix: "The government has not said when a list of affected buildings will be published - drawing criticism from the Labour Party, which wants an audit of all public properties - but the BBC has been compiling its own". Shambles of a story, yet truly reflective of the BBC. This is just another tory cash grab, yet another con. The education dept knew at least 15 months ago of the state of schools, but I would say years, as I remember the stories of unfit port-a cabins as classrooms. Do not forget how the Tory operates. !, no investment, watch infrastructure fail. 2, shock story on the news, gov vows to fix things quickly. 3, Hire mates to complete work. 4, do it quickly as to avoid financial scrutiny. They will continue to steal cash as much as they can, and will continue to do, even after they have gone. The brainwashing is real
Hmmm I think there is some truth in all of that. Let’s see which companies are awarded the contracts to put this right.
BBC vs Sun etc aside... why wasn’t this work planned to take place over the summer holidays to minimise disruption?
It will no doubt be a company on a proffered supplier list, and they may well donate to the party.
That does not mean The Tories have created some sort of crisis out of nepotism.
I agree this should've been carried out over summer, that's a fair question to level at Govt but I don't know the answer.
In theory the supplier will need to be on the right procurement roster/framework. Not sure whether this sort of thing sits with local authority procurement teams or Crown Commercial Service? However, there will be multiple suppliers on any framework so what will be interesting is who secures the contracts and what connection they have with either the Govt or local authority party.
I don’t think it is a manufactured crisis but there is something about not fixing the roof when the sun is shining. Let things get gradually worse through lack of proactive action (investment) and then it will ultimately cost more and must be addressed quickly.
Seems the aerated concrete issue may also be a problem for hospitals! "I would assume that because education is devolved or through academy trusts (over 80% of secondary schools are academies) then this may well go local. That is a guess though. Aerated concrete is going to be an issue for a lot of buildings, it was a popular product back when. From what I've read, they've known it's been an issue for 30 years (maybe I didn't read past a headline), so why didn't Labour do anything about it? You see what I'm getting at here, don't you | |||
"Yes like Andrew Bowie the Energy Minister said in a interview last week. We should only talk about the positives. They should have been focusing on the opportunity of upgrading these buildings and how this will be good for the schools. No, they shouldn't only speak of positives. However, the schools are closing for repairs. Whilst that will be an inconvenience to parents, better that than a roof collapsing. Honestly, the thought that some people will always look towards the negative is frightening. Exactly! The number of people on this forum who thrive in the negative and love to inform anyone who doesn't agree they are being manipulated by the press, is ironic, reading how the BBC promote that negative view to the forefront. The inevitable conclusion of nearly 50 years of Thatcherite Neo-Liberal Dogma and a lovely metaphor for its inevitable collapse EVEN THOUGH Keir Starmer is going to keep it going whilst having the GALL to wear a red tie instead of a blue one. The schools illustrate the very succinctly the state of the nation as venture capitalists & their corrupt stooges in Parliament hollow out the state leaving a shell that a gust of wind would blow over! That collapse IS on the horizon. What on earth are you trying to say! The concrete was produced after WW2, are you holding this government accountable for that, or all governments? " 
I mean in terms of investment-a lot of buildings from the 60’s were only temporary like the place I live but they are still here & going nowhere quickly.
I reference the Thatcher era but ”The Price Of Everything & The Value Of Nothing” has always been part of British Politics….look at the sorry of the building of the new Parliament building:Sandstone was chosen but they were so mean they refused to pay the contractor £50 to show them how to lay the stone properly because of its porous nature.
The result is a building NOT FIT FOR PURPOSE & costing BILLIONS to restore it….which is where we are now.
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"The BBC the trusted, unbiased media outlet of the UK, or an ageing institution trying desperately to be more in the moment? The standard or reporting has slipped for sure, however it is becoming more and more unbiased, as if feathering its own nest come the next GE... Example: The reporting of aerated concrete being discovered in schools, paints a picture of anger and shock at the governments timing of the announcement. They lead with: Parents have described their shock at being told their children's schools need to close due to the risk of dangerous concrete collapses. It turns out to be 100 schools need to close some areas in their school. They then go on to say "It is unclear how many schools have had to fully close, but it could be as many as 24". They add stories of parent anger at the timings, the disgrace of yet another government failing, quotes from the shadow education secretary, and finally adding this piece into the mix: "The government has not said when a list of affected buildings will be published - drawing criticism from the Labour Party, which wants an audit of all public properties - but the BBC has been compiling its own". Shambles of a story, yet truly reflective of the BBC. This is just another tory cash grab, yet another con. The education dept knew at least 15 months ago of the state of schools, but I would say years, as I remember the stories of unfit port-a cabins as classrooms. Do not forget how the Tory operates. !, no investment, watch infrastructure fail. 2, shock story on the news, gov vows to fix things quickly. 3, Hire mates to complete work. 4, do it quickly as to avoid financial scrutiny. They will continue to steal cash as much as they can, and will continue to do, even after they have gone. The brainwashing is real
Hmmm I think there is some truth in all of that. Let’s see which companies are awarded the contracts to put this right.
BBC vs Sun etc aside... why wasn’t this work planned to take place over the summer holidays to minimise disruption?
It will no doubt be a company on a proffered supplier list, and they may well donate to the party.
That does not mean The Tories have created some sort of crisis out of nepotism.
I agree this should've been carried out over summer, that's a fair question to level at Govt but I don't know the answer.
In theory the supplier will need to be on the right procurement roster/framework. Not sure whether this sort of thing sits with local authority procurement teams or Crown Commercial Service? However, there will be multiple suppliers on any framework so what will be interesting is who secures the contracts and what connection they have with either the Govt or local authority party.
I don’t think it is a manufactured crisis but there is something about not fixing the roof when the sun is shining. Let things get gradually worse through lack of proactive action (investment) and then it will ultimately cost more and must be addressed quickly.
Seems the aerated concrete issue may also be a problem for hospitals!
I would assume that because education is devolved or through academy trusts (over 80% of secondary schools are academies) then this may well go local. That is a guess though.
Aerated concrete is going to be an issue for a lot of buildings, it was a popular product back when.
From what I've read, they've known it's been an issue for 30 years (maybe I didn't read past a headline), so why didn't Labour do anything about it?
You see what I'm getting at here, don't you "tbf labour funded the initial report. It seems that the risks have been poorly understood and the guidance of what was "safe" was found to be wrong (a safe roof collapsed over the hols) hence the late update to guidance. | |||
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"The BBC the trusted, unbiased media outlet of the UK, or an ageing institution trying desperately to be more in the moment? The standard or reporting has slipped for sure, however it is becoming more and more unbiased, as if feathering its own nest come the next GE... Example: The reporting of aerated concrete being discovered in schools, paints a picture of anger and shock at the governments timing of the announcement. They lead with: Parents have described their shock at being told their children's schools need to close due to the risk of dangerous concrete collapses. It turns out to be 100 schools need to close some areas in their school. They then go on to say "It is unclear how many schools have had to fully close, but it could be as many as 24". They add stories of parent anger at the timings, the disgrace of yet another government failing, quotes from the shadow education secretary, and finally adding this piece into the mix: "The government has not said when a list of affected buildings will be published - drawing criticism from the Labour Party, which wants an audit of all public properties - but the BBC has been compiling its own". Shambles of a story, yet truly reflective of the BBC. This is just another tory cash grab, yet another con. The education dept knew at least 15 months ago of the state of schools, but I would say years, as I remember the stories of unfit port-a cabins as classrooms. Do not forget how the Tory operates. !, no investment, watch infrastructure fail. 2, shock story on the news, gov vows to fix things quickly. 3, Hire mates to complete work. 4, do it quickly as to avoid financial scrutiny. They will continue to steal cash as much as they can, and will continue to do, even after they have gone. The brainwashing is real
Hmmm I think there is some truth in all of that. Let’s see which companies are awarded the contracts to put this right.
BBC vs Sun etc aside... why wasn’t this work planned to take place over the summer holidays to minimise disruption?
It will no doubt be a company on a proffered supplier list, and they may well donate to the party.
That does not mean The Tories have created some sort of crisis out of nepotism.
I agree this should've been carried out over summer, that's a fair question to level at Govt but I don't know the answer.
In theory the supplier will need to be on the right procurement roster/framework. Not sure whether this sort of thing sits with local authority procurement teams or Crown Commercial Service? However, there will be multiple suppliers on any framework so what will be interesting is who secures the contracts and what connection they have with either the Govt or local authority party.
I don’t think it is a manufactured crisis but there is something about not fixing the roof when the sun is shining. Let things get gradually worse through lack of proactive action (investment) and then it will ultimately cost more and must be addressed quickly.
Seems the aerated concrete issue may also be a problem for hospitals!
I would assume that because education is devolved or through academy trusts (over 80% of secondary schools are academies) then this may well go local. That is a guess though.
Aerated concrete is going to be an issue for a lot of buildings, it was a popular product back when.
From what I've read, they've known it's been an issue for 30 years (maybe I didn't read past a headline), so why didn't Labour do anything about it?
You see what I'm getting at here, don't you tbf labour funded the initial report. It seems that the risks have been poorly understood and the guidance of what was "safe" was found to be wrong (a safe roof collapsed over the hols) hence the late update to guidance. "Oh I'm certainly not blaming Labour. I'm saying that there has been a suggestion that this 'crisis' has been created out of some sort of nepotism. If we've known of dangers for 30 years, why hasn't any Govt done anything until a roof has actually collapsed. Does that make all Govts inept? | |||
""so why didn't Labour do anything about it?" Because just like the Tories before them, all of the governments have kicked this one into the long grass. Potentially this could cost hundreds of billions of £'s to put right. All the building built using aerated concrete should have been planned to be replaced after 30 years.......................but we all know the only thing that politicians ever plan for properly is their own re-election." If Labour commissioned the original report, how did 'the Tories before them' kick it into the long grass? Blame any Tory you like who followed Labour but blaming ones who didn't know just shows contempt for Tories. | |||
"The BBC the trusted, unbiased media outlet of the UK, or an ageing institution trying desperately to be more in the moment? The standard or reporting has slipped for sure, however it is becoming more and more unbiased, as if feathering its own nest come the next GE... Example: The reporting of aerated concrete being discovered in schools, paints a picture of anger and shock at the governments timing of the announcement. They lead with: Parents have described their shock at being told their children's schools need to close due to the risk of dangerous concrete collapses. It turns out to be 100 schools need to close some areas in their school. They then go on to say "It is unclear how many schools have had to fully close, but it could be as many as 24". They add stories of parent anger at the timings, the disgrace of yet another government failing, quotes from the shadow education secretary, and finally adding this piece into the mix: "The government has not said when a list of affected buildings will be published - drawing criticism from the Labour Party, which wants an audit of all public properties - but the BBC has been compiling its own". Shambles of a story, yet truly reflective of the BBC. This is just another tory cash grab, yet another con. The education dept knew at least 15 months ago of the state of schools, but I would say years, as I remember the stories of unfit port-a cabins as classrooms. Do not forget how the Tory operates. !, no investment, watch infrastructure fail. 2, shock story on the news, gov vows to fix things quickly. 3, Hire mates to complete work. 4, do it quickly as to avoid financial scrutiny. They will continue to steal cash as much as they can, and will continue to do, even after they have gone. The brainwashing is real
Hmmm I think there is some truth in all of that. Let’s see which companies are awarded the contracts to put this right.
BBC vs Sun etc aside... why wasn’t this work planned to take place over the summer holidays to minimise disruption?
It will no doubt be a company on a proffered supplier list, and they may well donate to the party.
That does not mean The Tories have created some sort of crisis out of nepotism.
I agree this should've been carried out over summer, that's a fair question to level at Govt but I don't know the answer.
In theory the supplier will need to be on the right procurement roster/framework. Not sure whether this sort of thing sits with local authority procurement teams or Crown Commercial Service? However, there will be multiple suppliers on any framework so what will be interesting is who secures the contracts and what connection they have with either the Govt or local authority party.
I don’t think it is a manufactured crisis but there is something about not fixing the roof when the sun is shining. Let things get gradually worse through lack of proactive action (investment) and then it will ultimately cost more and must be addressed quickly.
Seems the aerated concrete issue may also be a problem for hospitals!
I would assume that because education is devolved or through academy trusts (over 80% of secondary schools are academies) then this may well go local. That is a guess though.
Aerated concrete is going to be an issue for a lot of buildings, it was a popular product back when.
From what I've read, they've known it's been an issue for 30 years (maybe I didn't read past a headline), so why didn't Labour do anything about it?
You see what I'm getting at here, don't you tbf labour funded the initial report. It seems that the risks have been poorly understood and the guidance of what was "safe" was found to be wrong (a safe roof collapsed over the hols) hence the late update to guidance.
Oh I'm certainly not blaming Labour. I'm saying that there has been a suggestion that this 'crisis' has been created out of some sort of nepotism. If we've known of dangers for 30 years, why hasn't any Govt done anything until a roof has actually collapsed.
Does that make all Govts inept?"aha. Well, the stories don't need to manufacture crisis to find opportunities for neoptism... They're are plenty of opportunities without that level of planning... 
(this is part bait. #notalltories) | |||
"If Labour commissioned the original report, how did 'the Tories before them' kick it into the long grass? Blame any Tory you like who followed Labour but blaming ones who didn't know just shows contempt for Tories." Labour commissioned the report because the issue was brought to their attention by RIBA. The RIBA also brought it up with the previous tory government along with Labour government before them. They have ALL kicked this time bomb down the road for the last 40 years. So no, i'm not showing contempt for the Tories, i m showing contempt for both Labour and Tories. | |||
"The BBC the trusted, unbiased media outlet of the UK, or an ageing institution trying desperately to be more in the moment? The standard or reporting has slipped for sure, however it is becoming more and more unbiased, as if feathering its own nest come the next GE... Example: The reporting of aerated concrete being discovered in schools, paints a picture of anger and shock at the governments timing of the announcement. They lead with: Parents have described their shock at being told their children's schools need to close due to the risk of dangerous concrete collapses. It turns out to be 100 schools need to close some areas in their school. They then go on to say "It is unclear how many schools have had to fully close, but it could be as many as 24". They add stories of parent anger at the timings, the disgrace of yet another government failing, quotes from the shadow education secretary, and finally adding this piece into the mix: "The government has not said when a list of affected buildings will be published - drawing criticism from the Labour Party, which wants an audit of all public properties - but the BBC has been compiling its own". Shambles of a story, yet truly reflective of the BBC. This is just another tory cash grab, yet another con. The education dept knew at least 15 months ago of the state of schools, but I would say years, as I remember the stories of unfit port-a cabins as classrooms. Do not forget how the Tory operates. !, no investment, watch infrastructure fail. 2, shock story on the news, gov vows to fix things quickly. 3, Hire mates to complete work. 4, do it quickly as to avoid financial scrutiny. They will continue to steal cash as much as they can, and will continue to do, even after they have gone. The brainwashing is real
Hmmm I think there is some truth in all of that. Let’s see which companies are awarded the contracts to put this right.
BBC vs Sun etc aside... why wasn’t this work planned to take place over the summer holidays to minimise disruption?
It will no doubt be a company on a proffered supplier list, and they may well donate to the party.
That does not mean The Tories have created some sort of crisis out of nepotism.
I agree this should've been carried out over summer, that's a fair question to level at Govt but I don't know the answer.
In theory the supplier will need to be on the right procurement roster/framework. Not sure whether this sort of thing sits with local authority procurement teams or Crown Commercial Service? However, there will be multiple suppliers on any framework so what will be interesting is who secures the contracts and what connection they have with either the Govt or local authority party.
I don’t think it is a manufactured crisis but there is something about not fixing the roof when the sun is shining. Let things get gradually worse through lack of proactive action (investment) and then it will ultimately cost more and must be addressed quickly.
Seems the aerated concrete issue may also be a problem for hospitals!
I would assume that because education is devolved or through academy trusts (over 80% of secondary schools are academies) then this may well go local. That is a guess though.
Aerated concrete is going to be an issue for a lot of buildings, it was a popular product back when.
From what I've read, they've known it's been an issue for 30 years (maybe I didn't read past a headline), so why didn't Labour do anything about it?
You see what I'm getting at here, don't you "I do. 30 years! Then why didn’t John Major’s govt do anything about it? | |||
"If Labour commissioned the original report, how did 'the Tories before them' kick it into the long grass? Blame any Tory you like who followed Labour but blaming ones who didn't know just shows contempt for Tories. Labour commissioned the report because the issue was brought to their attention by RIBA. The RIBA also brought it up with the previous tory government along with Labour government before them. They have ALL kicked this time bomb down the road for the last 40 years. So no, i'm not showing contempt for the Tories, i m showing contempt for both Labour and Tories." RIBA first raised concerns in the 70s? | |||
"The BBC the trusted, unbiased media outlet of the UK, or an ageing institution trying desperately to be more in the moment? The standard or reporting has slipped for sure, however it is becoming more and more unbiased, as if feathering its own nest come the next GE... Example: The reporting of aerated concrete being discovered in schools, paints a picture of anger and shock at the governments timing of the announcement. They lead with: Parents have described their shock at being told their children's schools need to close due to the risk of dangerous concrete collapses. It turns out to be 100 schools need to close some areas in their school. They then go on to say "It is unclear how many schools have had to fully close, but it could be as many as 24". They add stories of parent anger at the timings, the disgrace of yet another government failing, quotes from the shadow education secretary, and finally adding this piece into the mix: "The government has not said when a list of affected buildings will be published - drawing criticism from the Labour Party, which wants an audit of all public properties - but the BBC has been compiling its own". Shambles of a story, yet truly reflective of the BBC. This is just another tory cash grab, yet another con. The education dept knew at least 15 months ago of the state of schools, but I would say years, as I remember the stories of unfit port-a cabins as classrooms. Do not forget how the Tory operates. !, no investment, watch infrastructure fail. 2, shock story on the news, gov vows to fix things quickly. 3, Hire mates to complete work. 4, do it quickly as to avoid financial scrutiny. They will continue to steal cash as much as they can, and will continue to do, even after they have gone. The brainwashing is real
Hmmm I think there is some truth in all of that. Let’s see which companies are awarded the contracts to put this right.
BBC vs Sun etc aside... why wasn’t this work planned to take place over the summer holidays to minimise disruption?
It will no doubt be a company on a proffered supplier list, and they may well donate to the party.
That does not mean The Tories have created some sort of crisis out of nepotism.
I agree this should've been carried out over summer, that's a fair question to level at Govt but I don't know the answer.
In theory the supplier will need to be on the right procurement roster/framework. Not sure whether this sort of thing sits with local authority procurement teams or Crown Commercial Service? However, there will be multiple suppliers on any framework so what will be interesting is who secures the contracts and what connection they have with either the Govt or local authority party.
I don’t think it is a manufactured crisis but there is something about not fixing the roof when the sun is shining. Let things get gradually worse through lack of proactive action (investment) and then it will ultimately cost more and must be addressed quickly.
Seems the aerated concrete issue may also be a problem for hospitals!
I would assume that because education is devolved or through academy trusts (over 80% of secondary schools are academies) then this may well go local. That is a guess though.
Aerated concrete is going to be an issue for a lot of buildings, it was a popular product back when.
From what I've read, they've known it's been an issue for 30 years (maybe I didn't read past a headline), so why didn't Labour do anything about it?
You see what I'm getting at here, don't you
I do. 30 years! Then why didn’t John Major’s govt do anything about it?"Exactly.... But no, the current Tories created the issue | |||
"The BBC the trusted, unbiased media outlet of the UK, or an ageing institution trying desperately to be more in the moment? The standard or reporting has slipped for sure, however it is becoming more and more unbiased, as if feathering its own nest come the next GE... Example: The reporting of aerated concrete being discovered in schools, paints a picture of anger and shock at the governments timing of the announcement. They lead with: Parents have described their shock at being told their children's schools need to close due to the risk of dangerous concrete collapses. It turns out to be 100 schools need to close some areas in their school. They then go on to say "It is unclear how many schools have had to fully close, but it could be as many as 24". They add stories of parent anger at the timings, the disgrace of yet another government failing, quotes from the shadow education secretary, and finally adding this piece into the mix: "The government has not said when a list of affected buildings will be published - drawing criticism from the Labour Party, which wants an audit of all public properties - but the BBC has been compiling its own". Shambles of a story, yet truly reflective of the BBC. This is just another tory cash grab, yet another con. The education dept knew at least 15 months ago of the state of schools, but I would say years, as I remember the stories of unfit port-a cabins as classrooms. Do not forget how the Tory operates. !, no investment, watch infrastructure fail. 2, shock story on the news, gov vows to fix things quickly. 3, Hire mates to complete work. 4, do it quickly as to avoid financial scrutiny. They will continue to steal cash as much as they can, and will continue to do, even after they have gone. The brainwashing is real
Hmmm I think there is some truth in all of that. Let’s see which companies are awarded the contracts to put this right.
BBC vs Sun etc aside... why wasn’t this work planned to take place over the summer holidays to minimise disruption?
It will no doubt be a company on a proffered supplier list, and they may well donate to the party.
That does not mean The Tories have created some sort of crisis out of nepotism.
I agree this should've been carried out over summer, that's a fair question to level at Govt but I don't know the answer.
In theory the supplier will need to be on the right procurement roster/framework. Not sure whether this sort of thing sits with local authority procurement teams or Crown Commercial Service? However, there will be multiple suppliers on any framework so what will be interesting is who secures the contracts and what connection they have with either the Govt or local authority party.
I don’t think it is a manufactured crisis but there is something about not fixing the roof when the sun is shining. Let things get gradually worse through lack of proactive action (investment) and then it will ultimately cost more and must be addressed quickly.
Seems the aerated concrete issue may also be a problem for hospitals!
I would assume that because education is devolved or through academy trusts (over 80% of secondary schools are academies) then this may well go local. That is a guess though.
Aerated concrete is going to be an issue for a lot of buildings, it was a popular product back when.
From what I've read, they've known it's been an issue for 30 years (maybe I didn't read past a headline), so why didn't Labour do anything about it?
You see what I'm getting at here, don't you tbf labour funded the initial report. It seems that the risks have been poorly understood and the guidance of what was "safe" was found to be wrong (a safe roof collapsed over the hols) hence the late update to guidance.
Oh I'm certainly not blaming Labour. I'm saying that there has been a suggestion that this 'crisis' has been created out of some sort of nepotism. If we've known of dangers for 30 years, why hasn't any Govt done anything until a roof has actually collapsed.
Does that make all Govts inept?"Micheal Gove scrapped Partnerships for Schools, while it was problematic financially ( I have a little insight, my OH worked for them) they could have been ahead of the current problems. | |||
"The BBC the trusted, unbiased media outlet of the UK, or an ageing institution trying desperately to be more in the moment? The standard or reporting has slipped for sure, however it is becoming more and more unbiased, as if feathering its own nest come the next GE... Example: The reporting of aerated concrete being discovered in schools, paints a picture of anger and shock at the governments timing of the announcement. They lead with: Parents have described their shock at being told their children's schools need to close due to the risk of dangerous concrete collapses. It turns out to be 100 schools need to close some areas in their school. They then go on to say "It is unclear how many schools have had to fully close, but it could be as many as 24". They add stories of parent anger at the timings, the disgrace of yet another government failing, quotes from the shadow education secretary, and finally adding this piece into the mix: "The government has not said when a list of affected buildings will be published - drawing criticism from the Labour Party, which wants an audit of all public properties - but the BBC has been compiling its own". Shambles of a story, yet truly reflective of the BBC. This is just another tory cash grab, yet another con. The education dept knew at least 15 months ago of the state of schools, but I would say years, as I remember the stories of unfit port-a cabins as classrooms. Do not forget how the Tory operates. !, no investment, watch infrastructure fail. 2, shock story on the news, gov vows to fix things quickly. 3, Hire mates to complete work. 4, do it quickly as to avoid financial scrutiny. They will continue to steal cash as much as they can, and will continue to do, even after they have gone. The brainwashing is real
Hmmm I think there is some truth in all of that. Let’s see which companies are awarded the contracts to put this right.
BBC vs Sun etc aside... why wasn’t this work planned to take place over the summer holidays to minimise disruption?
It will no doubt be a company on a proffered supplier list, and they may well donate to the party.
That does not mean The Tories have created some sort of crisis out of nepotism.
I agree this should've been carried out over summer, that's a fair question to level at Govt but I don't know the answer.
In theory the supplier will need to be on the right procurement roster/framework. Not sure whether this sort of thing sits with local authority procurement teams or Crown Commercial Service? However, there will be multiple suppliers on any framework so what will be interesting is who secures the contracts and what connection they have with either the Govt or local authority party.
I don’t think it is a manufactured crisis but there is something about not fixing the roof when the sun is shining. Let things get gradually worse through lack of proactive action (investment) and then it will ultimately cost more and must be addressed quickly.
Seems the aerated concrete issue may also be a problem for hospitals!
I would assume that because education is devolved or through academy trusts (over 80% of secondary schools are academies) then this may well go local. That is a guess though.
Aerated concrete is going to be an issue for a lot of buildings, it was a popular product back when.
From what I've read, they've known it's been an issue for 30 years (maybe I didn't read past a headline), so why didn't Labour do anything about it?
You see what I'm getting at here, don't you
I do. 30 years! Then why didn’t John Major’s govt do anything about it?
Exactly....
But no, the current Tories created the issue "Disaster Capitalism is worth a read. Crisis makes some people very rich. Successive govts kick into long grass but mates of current govt will likely benefit and taxpayers pick up the bill. | |||
"If Labour commissioned the original report, how did 'the Tories before them' kick it into the long grass? Blame any Tory you like who followed Labour but blaming ones who didn't know just shows contempt for Tories. Labour commissioned the report because the issue was brought to their attention by RIBA. The RIBA also brought it up with the previous tory government along with Labour government before them. They have ALL kicked this time bomb down the road for the last 40 years. So no, i'm not showing contempt for the Tories, i m showing contempt for both Labour and Tories. RIBA first raised concerns in the 70s?" Yes, they did. Although not as "concerns" at that time. They reminded the Callaghan government that plans had to be drawn up for the replacement of ALL schools built since the late 1950's. Over the years since then the RIBA has constantly lobbied ALL governments to take this issue seriously. Not only for schools, but for hospitals along with council houses built in the 1960's and a huge amount of public buildings. As i said before, ALL governments have kicked this one into the long grass. The end result of this will make the cost of the banking crisis and covid look like Pence in cost to us as taxpayers. | |||
" Blame any Tory you like who followed Labour but blaming ones who didn't know just shows contempt for Tories. Labour commissioned the report because the issue was brought to their attention by RIBA. The RIBA also brought it up with the previous tory government along with Labour government before them. They have ALL kicked this time bomb down the road for the last 40 years. So no, i'm not showing contempt for the Tories, i m showing contempt for both Labour and Tories. RIBA first raised concerns in the 70s? Yes, they did. Although not as "concerns" at that time. They reminded the Callaghan government that plans had to be drawn up for the replacement of ALL schools built since the late 1950's. Over the years since then the RIBA has constantly lobbied ALL governments to take this issue seriously. Not only for schools, but for hospitals along with council houses built in the 1960's and a huge amount of public buildings. As i said before, ALL governments have kicked this one into the long grass. The end result of this will make the cost of the banking crisis and covid look like Pence in cost to us as taxpayers. " 185 secondary schools benefitted under Partnerships for Schools and the Better Schools for the Future programme from 2005. The scheme was scrapped in 2011. | |||
" Blame any Tory you like who followed Labour but blaming ones who didn't know just shows contempt for Tories. Labour commissioned the report because the issue was brought to their attention by RIBA. The RIBA also brought it up with the previous tory government along with Labour government before them. They have ALL kicked this time bomb down the road for the last 40 years. So no, i'm not showing contempt for the Tories, i m showing contempt for both Labour and Tories. RIBA first raised concerns in the 70s? Yes, they did. Although not as "concerns" at that time. They reminded the Callaghan government that plans had to be drawn up for the replacement of ALL schools built since the late 1950's. Over the years since then the RIBA has constantly lobbied ALL governments to take this issue seriously. Not only for schools, but for hospitals along with council houses built in the 1960's and a huge amount of public buildings. As i said before, ALL governments have kicked this one into the long grass. The end result of this will make the cost of the banking crisis and covid look like Pence in cost to us as taxpayers. 185 secondary schools benefitted under Partnerships for Schools and the Better Schools for the Future programme from 2005. The scheme was scrapped in 2011." . Just as the Tories entered government | |||
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"Since the tories came back in to power, they have cut budgets to all public services, year after year. Where this cash has gone is anyones guess as they the tories did no analysis, of how the saved money could be used in other areas, none. hence we have no idea where the savings have gone, who too, what for, we have no idea. Lead by a billionaire Oligarch, who when having lost the election will return to the USA and reapply for his green card." To be fair to Sunak last I saw his personal wealth was only £750m. His wife’s wealth is far higher and his father-in-law is higher still. | |||
"Since the tories came back in to power, they have cut budgets to all public services, year after year. Where this cash has gone is anyones guess as they the tories did no analysis, of how the saved money could be used in other areas, none. hence we have no idea where the savings have gone, who too, what for, we have no idea. Lead by a billionaire Oligarch, who when having lost the election will return to the USA and reapply for his green card." Oligarch | |||
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"A couple of posts ref the BBC and their awful reporting, most ignoring, seems like they have done their job
"Auntie is a bit boring though! | |||
"A couple of posts ref the BBC and their awful reporting, most ignoring, seems like they have done their job
Auntie is a bit boring though!"Much prefer the beeb to the corrupt ITV | |||
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"A couple of posts ref the BBC and their awful reporting, most ignoring, seems like they have done their job
Auntie is a bit boring though!"Boring, but biased. They were caught out with Farage, they’re on a campaign to bring down Tate, they’re taking sides in political decisions, and their editorial standards are low. Paid for by the public, I expect better | |||
"A couple of posts ref the BBC and their awful reporting, most ignoring, seems like they have done their job
Auntie is a bit boring though!Much prefer the beeb to the corrupt ITV"I don’t watch itv news, and have no concept of how they’re corrupt, can you expand on this? | |||
"A couple of posts ref the BBC and their awful reporting, most ignoring, seems like they have done their job
Auntie is a bit boring though!Much prefer the beeb to the corrupt ITV
I don’t watch itv news, and have no concept of how they’re corrupt, can you expand on this?"So should we also look at buildings that have aspestos in then then then flatern all schools peree 1999 and rebuild them as well as hospitals and other government building. And social housing. | |||
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"But do the publick (sic) want cheep buildings or buildings that will last. To build or not to build that is the question." We're short-termist organisms. Rightly or wrongly we don't see the need for long-term strategy. We just see the need for safe and usable to sustain our immediate and short term needs. When we are gone, the problems of the future are for our descendants to worry about. The builders of an ant nest only care about the current nest. Not the one after it, or 5 generations after that. Same for birds. Same for pretty much all mammals. Of course, long-term strategy is good to ensure the survival of the species. But who's going to pay for that vision ? | |||
"But do the publick (sic) want cheep buildings or buildings that will last. To build or not to build that is the question. We're short-termist organisms. Rightly or wrongly we don't see the need for long-term strategy. We just see the need for safe and usable to sustain our immediate and short term needs. When we are gone, the problems of the future are for our descendants to worry about. The builders of an ant nest only care about the current nest. Not the one after it, or 5 generations after that. Same for birds. Same for pretty much all mammals. Of course, long-term strategy is good to ensure the survival of the species. But who's going to pay for that vision ?" Did you know the underground has been going since the 1860s? Just throwing that nugget in... | |||
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" Did you know the underground has been going since the 1860s? Just throwing that nugget in..." Oh indeed. But those were different times, when things were perhaps built to last for a lot longer. It's fair to say though, that since then, remedial work has been needed in the underground since. | |||
"If some type of construction material has been given a 30 year life span and has done double that - it stands to reason we're in shit street now. Who has been asleep? Why weren't buildings being replaced for the past thirty years. This goes beyond maintenance and monitoring." The main reason is that the problem wasn't identified till the 1990s, and after lots of discussion they gave it a 30 year design limit. But by that point there were plenty of 40 year old installations that were showing no signs of problems, so no one really took the design limit seriously. Since then there have been regular inspections of RAAC, and buildings have been retired if there was an obvious problem, but there haven't really been any issues. Until recently, when a roof panel collapsed without showing any signs of deterioration. People have suddenly realised that regular inspection might not identify all of the issues. | |||
" Did you know the underground has been going since the 1860s? Just throwing that nugget in... Oh indeed. But those were different times, when things were perhaps built to last for a lot longer. It's fair to say though, that since then, remedial work has been needed in the underground since. " I would expect that as standard. | |||
"If some type of construction material has been given a 30 year life span and has done double that - it stands to reason we're in shit street now. Who has been asleep? Why weren't buildings being replaced for the past thirty years. This goes beyond maintenance and monitoring. The main reason is that the problem wasn't identified till the 1990s, and after lots of discussion they gave it a 30 year design limit. But by that point there were plenty of 40 year old installations that were showing no signs of problems, so no one really took the design limit seriously. Since then there have been regular inspections of RAAC, and buildings have been retired if there was an obvious problem, but there haven't really been any issues. Until recently, when a roof panel collapsed without showing any signs of deterioration. People have suddenly realised that regular inspection might not identify all of the issues." And as lots ot these buildings are old they will more then probably have asbestos in them as well lots of these buildings are just to old and need to be flattered and rebuilt to suit modern purpose | |||
"If some type of construction material has been given a 30 year life span and has done double that - it stands to reason we're in shit street now. Who has been asleep? Why weren't buildings being replaced for the past thirty years. This goes beyond maintenance and monitoring. The main reason is that the problem wasn't identified till the 1990s, and after lots of discussion they gave it a 30 year design limit. But by that point there were plenty of 40 year old installations that were showing no signs of problems, so no one really took the design limit seriously. Since then there have been regular inspections of RAAC, and buildings have been retired if there was an obvious problem, but there haven't really been any issues. Until recently, when a roof panel collapsed without showing any signs of deterioration. People have suddenly realised that regular inspection might not identify all of the issues. And as lots ot these buildings are old they will more then probably have asbestos in them as well lots of these buildings are just to old and need to be flattered and rebuilt to suit modern purpose " You've already mentioned this. If the buildings do have asbestos, they cannot just be flattened. | |||
"If some type of construction material has been given a 30 year life span and has done double that - it stands to reason we're in shit street now. Who has been asleep? Why weren't buildings being replaced for the past thirty years. This goes beyond maintenance and monitoring. The main reason is that the problem wasn't identified till the 1990s, and after lots of discussion they gave it a 30 year design limit. But by that point there were plenty of 40 year old installations that were showing no signs of problems, so no one really took the design limit seriously. Since then there have been regular inspections of RAAC, and buildings have been retired if there was an obvious problem, but there haven't really been any issues. Until recently, when a roof panel collapsed without showing any signs of deterioration. People have suddenly realised that regular inspection might not identify all of the issues. And as lots ot these buildings are old they will more then probably have asbestos in them as well lots of these buildings are just to old and need to be flattered and rebuilt to suit modern purpose You've already mentioned this. If the buildings do have asbestos, they cannot just be flattened." No but in the long run it's the only time it will get removed is when it's decided to just flatten and start again. So meny schools and hospitals are at the end of there life | |||
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"If some type of construction material has been given a 30 year life span and has done double that - it stands to reason we're in shit street now. Who has been asleep? Why weren't buildings being replaced for the past thirty years. This goes beyond maintenance and monitoring. The main reason is that the problem wasn't identified till the 1990s, and after lots of discussion they gave it a 30 year design limit. But by that point there were plenty of 40 year old installations that were showing no signs of problems, so no one really took the design limit seriously. Since then there have been regular inspections of RAAC, and buildings have been retired if there was an obvious problem, but there haven't really been any issues. Until recently, when a roof panel collapsed without showing any signs of deterioration. People have suddenly realised that regular inspection might not identify all of the issues. And as lots ot these buildings are old they will more then probably have asbestos in them as well lots of these buildings are just to old and need to be flattered and rebuilt to suit modern purpose You've already mentioned this. If the buildings do have asbestos, they cannot just be flattened. No but in the long run it's the only time it will get removed is when it's decided to just flatten and start again. So meny schools and hospitals are at the end of there life " That's because asbestos doesn't prove to be a risk until it is disturbed. And there are different types. Specialist companies have to remove it. | |||
"An awful lot of money is going to be needed to fund.. 1. Provision of alterative classrooms 1a. Sale Hire of portacabins is going to skyrocket, as everyone wants them. 1b. Trades that fit out said portacabins are going to charge sky high rates 1c. Trade that provide HVAC for portacabins are going to busy and costly. 2. Remedial repair or decommisioning 2a. Construction teams / rates, specialist teams if asbestos involved 3. All the ancillary services, too many to list to be honest . The taxpayer is in for one heck of a shock once these costs are figured out. . Without being too perverse, I think it would be cheaper to take off, nuke the site from orbit, and start again. " House building is slowing down with interest rates going up so at least there will be people to do the work there are lots of sites in the south east stopping as finished property ant selling. A year ago you ht to buy of plan then wait for it to be finished | |||
"A couple of posts ref the BBC and their awful reporting, most ignoring, seems like they have done their job
Auntie is a bit boring though!Much prefer the beeb to the corrupt ITV
I don’t watch itv news, and have no concept of how they’re corrupt, can you expand on this?"Think Phil schofield | |||
"A couple of posts ref the BBC and their awful reporting, most ignoring, seems like they have done their job
Auntie is a bit boring though!Much prefer the beeb to the corrupt ITV
I don’t watch itv news, and have no concept of how they’re corrupt, can you expand on this?Think Phil schofield"Yes naughty BBC - now look what's happened. All the media are following suit. Why are the British media so biased against the Tory government? | |||
"A couple of posts ref the BBC and their awful reporting, most ignoring, seems like they have done their job
Auntie is a bit boring though!Much prefer the beeb to the corrupt ITV
I don’t watch itv news, and have no concept of how they’re corrupt, can you expand on this?Think Phil schofield
Yes naughty BBC - now look what's happened. All the media are following suit.
Why are the British media so biased against the Tory government?"Happen it’s because they are lying thieves | |||
"A couple of posts ref the BBC and their awful reporting, most ignoring, seems like they have done their job
Auntie is a bit boring though!Much prefer the beeb to the corrupt ITV
I don’t watch itv news, and have no concept of how they’re corrupt, can you expand on this?Think Phil schofield
Yes naughty BBC - now look what's happened. All the media are following suit.
Why are the British media so biased against the Tory government?Happen it’s because they are lying thieves " | |||
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"The BBC are the propaganda of the state, and the state is above political parties." You have a point there however I would say that the media in general fall into that category. The BBC are only singled out (on this forum) when they report on something that people do not want to hear. When they report on something that people like (i.e. the recent recalculated growth figures) nobody seems to doubt them. | |||
"The BBC are the propaganda of the state, and the state is above political parties. You have a point there however I would say that the media in general fall into that category. The BBC are only singled out (on this forum) when they report on something that people do not want to hear. When they report on something that people like (i.e. the recent recalculated growth figures) nobody seems to doubt them." The BBC are singled out for reporting facts. They're singled out for having opinion. The reason they're singled out is the licence fee. People expect neutrality. | |||
"The BBC are the propaganda of the state, and the state is above political parties. You have a point there however I would say that the media in general fall into that category. The BBC are only singled out (on this forum) when they report on something that people do not want to hear. When they report on something that people like (i.e. the recent recalculated growth figures) nobody seems to doubt them. The BBC are singled out for reporting facts. They're singled out for having opinion. The reason they're singled out is the licence fee. People expect neutrality. " The fact they are regularly attacked by Tory and Labour supporters would probably suggest they are neutral has is possible. Its a hard act to appear Neutral to everyone in this day and age without appearing boring and irrelevant. | |||
"The BBC are the propaganda of the state, and the state is above political parties. You have a point there however I would say that the media in general fall into that category. The BBC are only singled out (on this forum) when they report on something that people do not want to hear. When they report on something that people like (i.e. the recent recalculated growth figures) nobody seems to doubt them. The BBC are singled out for reporting facts. They're singled out for having opinion. The reason they're singled out is the licence fee. People expect neutrality. The fact they are regularly attacked by Tory and Labour supporters would probably suggest they are neutral has is possible. Its a hard act to appear Neutral to everyone in this day and age without appearing boring and irrelevant. " I personally think they're fairly neutral. Why can't they be boring? If they want to report facts, that's pretty boring in itself. We would at least have one factual news source. As I said, it's because of the licence fee imo. | |||
