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For those with limited time in their day, the video includes a 1 minute clip of Liz Webster being interviewed on the BBC, surrounded by 4 minutes of some random bloke talking about what he thinks. There's no context to explain what Liz is talking about, so if you're not familiar with the background, there's no point watching the video. |
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"For those with limited time in their day, the video includes a 1 minute clip of Liz Webster being interviewed on the BBC, surrounded by 4 minutes of some random bloke talking about what he thinks. There's no context to explain what Liz is talking about, so if you're not familiar with the background, there's no point watching the video."
Liz is some one who constantly gets caught out lying and fact checked sadly.
She isn't worth any ones time of day to reply to.
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By *irldnCouple
over a year ago
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"For those with limited time in their day, the video includes a 1 minute clip of Liz Webster being interviewed on the BBC, surrounded by 4 minutes of some random bloke talking about what he thinks. There's no context to explain what Liz is talking about, so if you're not familiar with the background, there's no point watching the video.
Liz is some one who constantly gets caught out lying and fact checked sadly.
She isn't worth any ones time of day to reply to.
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I notice her credentials and motivation being questioned on Twitter (X) and being accused of being an EU shill (ie lobbyist) amongst other things. She is basically the other side of the coin from the Tufton St gang. |
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"For those with limited time in their day, the video includes a 1 minute clip of Liz Webster being interviewed on the BBC, surrounded by 4 minutes of some random bloke talking about what he thinks. There's no context to explain what Liz is talking about, so if you're not familiar with the background, there's no point watching the video.
Liz is some one who constantly gets caught out lying and fact checked sadly.
She isn't worth any ones time of day to reply to.
I notice her credentials and motivation being questioned on Twitter (X) and being accused of being an EU shill (ie lobbyist) amongst other things. She is basically the other side of the coin from the Tufton St gang."
Apart from the actual evidence that she is indeed part of that campaign group.
Because she is a member of save British farming who are registered at the same address as mike galsworthy and best for Britain.
That's an actual address and link as well as companies on their own website linked to other pro EUobbies not
" he says something I don't like so he's Tufton street"
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By *irldnCouple
over a year ago
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"For those with limited time in their day, the video includes a 1 minute clip of Liz Webster being interviewed on the BBC, surrounded by 4 minutes of some random bloke talking about what he thinks. There's no context to explain what Liz is talking about, so if you're not familiar with the background, there's no point watching the video.
Liz is some one who constantly gets caught out lying and fact checked sadly.
She isn't worth any ones time of day to reply to.
I notice her credentials and motivation being questioned on Twitter (X) and being accused of being an EU shill (ie lobbyist) amongst other things. She is basically the other side of the coin from the Tufton St gang.
Apart from the actual evidence that she is indeed part of that campaign group.
Because she is a member of save British farming who are registered at the same address as mike galsworthy and best for Britain.
That's an actual address and link as well as companies on their own website linked to other pro EUobbies not
" he says something I don't like so he's Tufton street"
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Er no. People like Catherine McBride and others are clearly connected to Tufton St. So was/is Liz Truss. Organisations they are/have been connected to also share the same address! |
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"For those with limited time in their day, the video includes a 1 minute clip of Liz Webster being interviewed on the BBC, surrounded by 4 minutes of some random bloke talking about what he thinks. There's no context to explain what Liz is talking about, so if you're not familiar with the background, there's no point watching the video.
Liz is some one who constantly gets caught out lying and fact checked sadly.
She isn't worth any ones time of day to reply to.
I notice her credentials and motivation being questioned on Twitter (X) and being accused of being an EU shill (ie lobbyist) amongst other things. She is basically the other side of the coin from the Tufton St gang.
Apart from the actual evidence that she is indeed part of that campaign group.
Because she is a member of save British farming who are registered at the same address as mike galsworthy and best for Britain.
That's an actual address and link as well as companies on their own website linked to other pro EUobbies not
" he says something I don't like so he's Tufton street"
Er no. People like Catherine McBride and others are clearly connected to Tufton St. So was/is Liz Truss. Organisations they are/have been connected to also share the same address!"
You say these.
But you have no proof.
Liz's farming campaign has mike galsworthy company as its data controller and is linked to the same business by having the exact same address.
So no. Your example are completely different. I am not sure of the link of Catherine currently to Tufton street. |
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By *irldnCouple
over a year ago
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"For those with limited time in their day, the video includes a 1 minute clip of Liz Webster being interviewed on the BBC, surrounded by 4 minutes of some random bloke talking about what he thinks. There's no context to explain what Liz is talking about, so if you're not familiar with the background, there's no point watching the video.
Liz is some one who constantly gets caught out lying and fact checked sadly.
She isn't worth any ones time of day to reply to.
I notice her credentials and motivation being questioned on Twitter (X) and being accused of being an EU shill (ie lobbyist) amongst other things. She is basically the other side of the coin from the Tufton St gang.
Apart from the actual evidence that she is indeed part of that campaign group.
Because she is a member of save British farming who are registered at the same address as mike galsworthy and best for Britain.
That's an actual address and link as well as companies on their own website linked to other pro EUobbies not
" he says something I don't like so he's Tufton street"
Er no. People like Catherine McBride and others are clearly connected to Tufton St. So was/is Liz Truss. Organisations they are/have been connected to also share the same address!
You say these.
But you have no proof.
Liz's farming campaign has mike galsworthy company as its data controller and is linked to the same business by having the exact same address.
So no. Your example are completely different. I am not sure of the link of Catherine currently to Tufton street."
You mean the Catherine McBride who is involved with:
Institute of Economic Affairs
The Brexit Pledge
Brexit Central
Fellow of the Centre for Brexit Policy
Global Vision
Legatum Institute
The Critic
And before you say “not all of these are/were based out of Tufton St” yes I know. But they are all connected and have a revolving door of staff and contributors. |
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"For those with limited time in their day, the video includes a 1 minute clip of Liz Webster being interviewed on the BBC, surrounded by 4 minutes of some random bloke talking about what he thinks. There's no context to explain what Liz is talking about, so if you're not familiar with the background, there's no point watching the video.
Liz is some one who constantly gets caught out lying and fact checked sadly.
She isn't worth any ones time of day to reply to.
I notice her credentials and motivation being questioned on Twitter (X) and being accused of being an EU shill (ie lobbyist) amongst other things. She is basically the other side of the coin from the Tufton St gang.
Apart from the actual evidence that she is indeed part of that campaign group.
Because she is a member of save British farming who are registered at the same address as mike galsworthy and best for Britain.
That's an actual address and link as well as companies on their own website linked to other pro EUobbies not
" he says something I don't like so he's Tufton street"
Er no. People like Catherine McBride and others are clearly connected to Tufton St. So was/is Liz Truss. Organisations they are/have been connected to also share the same address!
You say these.
But you have no proof.
Liz's farming campaign has mike galsworthy company as its data controller and is linked to the same business by having the exact same address.
So no. Your example are completely different. I am not sure of the link of Catherine currently to Tufton street.
You mean the Catherine McBride who is involved with:
Institute of Economic Affairs
The Brexit Pledge
Brexit Central
Fellow of the Centre for Brexit Policy
Global Vision
Legatum Institute
The Critic
And before you say “not all of these are/were based out of Tufton St” yes I know. But they are all connected and have a revolving door of staff and contributors."
What's her current link to.tufton Street please.
Are we going to go over the same ground again. Where you claim soemthing. Ca 5 back it up. And just go round in circles? |
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So you can link any one to Tufton street with they're all pretty much tbe same thing....
This gets Tedious. Find an actual link please toc adhering being funded Woking out of. Until then. You're not making like for like comparisons.
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By *irldnCouple
over a year ago
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"So you can link any one to Tufton street with they're all pretty much tbe same thing....
This gets Tedious. Find an actual link please toc adhering being funded Woking out of. Until then. You're not making like for like comparisons.
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Lol you think she writes all those articles for free? Just because someone is no longer employed by an organisation it doesn’t mean they sever connection or no longer provide consultancy or get paid for talks and articles! Some of my biggest clients were once my employer.
However, McBride is but one person. My OP stands. This is just two sides to the lobbying coin. They are all at it. |
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"So you can link any one to Tufton street with they're all pretty much tbe same thing....
This gets Tedious. Find an actual link please toc adhering being funded Woking out of. Until then. You're not making like for like comparisons.
Lol you think she writes all those articles for free? Just because someone is no longer employed by an organisation it doesn’t mean they sever connection or no longer provide consultancy or get paid for talks and articles! Some of my biggest clients were once my employer.
However, McBride is but one person. My OP stands. This is just two sides to the lobbying coin. They are all at it."
So she has no cure to connection to Tufton street. Everything you say is just ranting.
Thanks.
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By *irldnCouple
over a year ago
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"So you can link any one to Tufton street with they're all pretty much tbe same thing....
This gets Tedious. Find an actual link please toc adhering being funded Woking out of. Until then. You're not making like for like comparisons.
Lol you think she writes all those articles for free? Just because someone is no longer employed by an organisation it doesn’t mean they sever connection or no longer provide consultancy or get paid for talks and articles! Some of my biggest clients were once my employer.
However, McBride is but one person. My OP stands. This is just two sides to the lobbying coin. They are all at it.
So she has no cure to connection to Tufton street. Everything you say is just ranting.
Thanks.
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I love (not really) the way you twist words or simply ignore what is written. I have explained her current connection very clearly. She is still paid by various organisations based in or connected to Tufton St. That is how it works when you are freelance rather than an employee. She has to stay “on message” otherwise her income streams will dry up! |
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"Undeniable brexit has had a negative impact on British farming."
Brexit was a change, and all change has impacts, both positive and negative. It's not clear to me that the negatives outweigh the positives for farmers. |
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"Undeniable brexit has had a negative impact on British farming.
Brexit was a change, and all change has impacts, both positive and negative. It's not clear to me that the negatives outweigh the positives for farmers."
Plenty of articles around that suggest there’s very few (if any) Brexit positives in agriculture |
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"Undeniable brexit has had a negative impact on British farming.
Brexit was a change, and all change has impacts, both positive and negative. It's not clear to me that the negatives outweigh the positives for farmers.
Plenty of articles around that suggest there’s very few (if any) Brexit positives in agriculture"
Total income from farming increased in 2021 and again (significantly) in 2022.
You don't think that's positive? |
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"Undeniable brexit has had a negative impact on British farming."
"Brexit was a change, and all change has impacts, both positive and negative. It's not clear to me that the negatives outweigh the positives for farmers."
"Plenty of articles around that suggest there’s very few (if any) Brexit positives in agriculture"
There weren't many positives in agriculture before Brexit, and I don't see any important changes there.
Livestock farming however has benefited from the change to import rules meaning that all meat entering the country must comply to our animal welfare standards. Our farmers can no longer be undercut by lower quality imports.
I can also buy genuine Caerphilly cheese made with unpasteurised milk, as it was for centuries before the EU stopped it. That's quite an industry building up around Caerphilly cheese manufacture, which wasn't there a few years ago. |
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I'm not quite sure how brexit didn't benefit farmers. Previously there was bo red tape for imports to the uk. Our farmers produced at higher standards than the rest of the e.u
Now e.u standards meet uk standards and "red tape" adds cost to the e.u products. Which makes them more Einstein line with the uk cost of production.
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"So you can link any one to Tufton street with they're all pretty much tbe same thing....
This gets Tedious. Find an actual link please toc adhering being funded Woking out of. Until then. You're not making like for like comparisons.
Lol you think she writes all those articles for free? Just because someone is no longer employed by an organisation it doesn’t mean they sever connection or no longer provide consultancy or get paid for talks and articles! Some of my biggest clients were once my employer.
However, McBride is but one person. My OP stands. This is just two sides to the lobbying coin. They are all at it.
So she has no cure to connection to Tufton street. Everything you say is just ranting.
Thanks.
I love (not really) the way you twist words or simply ignore what is written. I have explained her current connection very clearly. She is still paid by various organisations based in or connected to Tufton St. That is how it works when you are freelance rather than an employee. She has to stay “on message” otherwise her income streams will dry up! "
You haven't explained any current connection. That's the point. |
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"Undeniable brexit has had a negative impact on British farming.
Brexit was a change, and all change has impacts, both positive and negative. It's not clear to me that the negatives outweigh the positives for farmers.
Plenty of articles around that suggest there’s very few (if any) Brexit positives in agriculture
There weren't many positives in agriculture before Brexit, and I don't see any important changes there.
Livestock farming however has benefited from the change to import rules meaning that all meat entering the country must comply to our animal welfare standards. Our farmers can no longer be undercut by lower quality imports.
I can also buy genuine Caerphilly cheese made with unpasteurised milk, as it was for centuries before the EU stopped it. That's quite an industry building up around Caerphilly cheese manufacture, which wasn't there a few years ago."
Caerphilly Cheese did indeed take a hit for a while. I’m glad you chose not to say it had been banned as many Brexit outlets did (inc. the telegraph).
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By *irldnCouple
over a year ago
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"So you can link any one to Tufton street with they're all pretty much tbe same thing....
This gets Tedious. Find an actual link please toc adhering being funded Woking out of. Until then. You're not making like for like comparisons.
Lol you think she writes all those articles for free? Just because someone is no longer employed by an organisation it doesn’t mean they sever connection or no longer provide consultancy or get paid for talks and articles! Some of my biggest clients were once my employer.
However, McBride is but one person. My OP stands. This is just two sides to the lobbying coin. They are all at it.
So she has no cure to connection to Tufton street. Everything you say is just ranting.
Thanks.
I love (not really) the way you twist words or simply ignore what is written. I have explained her current connection very clearly. She is still paid by various organisations based in or connected to Tufton St. That is how it works when you are freelance rather than an employee. She has to stay “on message” otherwise her income streams will dry up!
You haven't explained any current connection. That's the point."
Oh lawd! You are an intelligent guy so I simply cannot believe your apparent naivety is genuine. I can therefore only conclude you are being disingenuous (to use one your latest fav words).
1. A former employee of economic think tank based out of Tufton St.
2. Goes freelance and gives talks, writes articles, and provides consultancy to the same think tank AND a wealth of others (and is paid for that).
3. Those other organisations are a mix of those based/registered at Tufton St, connected to orgs based/registered at Tufton St, or set up and/or staffed by alumni of orgs based/registered at Tufton St.
4. She only gets work from them (and income) if her messages align with or support their agenda. If she starts going “off message” her work will dry up.
5. So she owes her livelihood and therefore loyalty to orgs based/registered in Tufton St.
Thanks for coming to my TED Talk. The matter is now put to bed. No amount of wriggling on the hook or attempt at misdirection can change the fact that McBride was and is connected to Tufton St. |
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"So you can link any one to Tufton street with they're all pretty much tbe same thing....
This gets Tedious. Find an actual link please toc adhering being funded Woking out of. Until then. You're not making like for like comparisons.
Lol you think she writes all those articles for free? Just because someone is no longer employed by an organisation it doesn’t mean they sever connection or no longer provide consultancy or get paid for talks and articles! Some of my biggest clients were once my employer.
However, McBride is but one person. My OP stands. This is just two sides to the lobbying coin. They are all at it.
So she has no cure to connection to Tufton street. Everything you say is just ranting.
Thanks.
I love (not really) the way you twist words or simply ignore what is written. I have explained her current connection very clearly. She is still paid by various organisations based in or connected to Tufton St. That is how it works when you are freelance rather than an employee. She has to stay “on message” otherwise her income streams will dry up!
You haven't explained any current connection. That's the point.
Oh lawd! You are an intelligent guy so I simply cannot believe your apparent naivety is genuine. I can therefore only conclude you are being disingenuous (to use one your latest fav words).
1. A former employee of economic think tank based out of Tufton St.
2. Goes freelance and gives talks, writes articles, and provides consultancy to the same think tank AND a wealth of others (and is paid for that).
3. Those other organisations are a mix of those based/registered at Tufton St, connected to orgs based/registered at Tufton St, or set up and/or staffed by alumni of orgs based/registered at Tufton St.
4. She only gets work from them (and income) if her messages align with or support their agenda. If she starts going “off message” her work will dry up.
5. So she owes her livelihood and therefore loyalty to orgs based/registered in Tufton St.
Thanks for coming to my TED Talk. The matter is now put to bed. No amount of wriggling on the hook or attempt at misdirection can change the fact that McBride was and is connected to Tufton St."
Simple yes or no question.
Does she currently get paid by any one at Tufton street. |
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By *irldnCouple
over a year ago
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"So you can link any one to Tufton street with they're all pretty much tbe same thing....
This gets Tedious. Find an actual link please toc adhering being funded Woking out of. Until then. You're not making like for like comparisons.
Lol you think she writes all those articles for free? Just because someone is no longer employed by an organisation it doesn’t mean they sever connection or no longer provide consultancy or get paid for talks and articles! Some of my biggest clients were once my employer.
However, McBride is but one person. My OP stands. This is just two sides to the lobbying coin. They are all at it.
So she has no cure to connection to Tufton street. Everything you say is just ranting.
Thanks.
I love (not really) the way you twist words or simply ignore what is written. I have explained her current connection very clearly. She is still paid by various organisations based in or connected to Tufton St. That is how it works when you are freelance rather than an employee. She has to stay “on message” otherwise her income streams will dry up!
You haven't explained any current connection. That's the point.
Oh lawd! You are an intelligent guy so I simply cannot believe your apparent naivety is genuine. I can therefore only conclude you are being disingenuous (to use one your latest fav words).
1. A former employee of economic think tank based out of Tufton St.
2. Goes freelance and gives talks, writes articles, and provides consultancy to the same think tank AND a wealth of others (and is paid for that).
3. Those other organisations are a mix of those based/registered at Tufton St, connected to orgs based/registered at Tufton St, or set up and/or staffed by alumni of orgs based/registered at Tufton St.
4. She only gets work from them (and income) if her messages align with or support their agenda. If she starts going “off message” her work will dry up.
5. So she owes her livelihood and therefore loyalty to orgs based/registered in Tufton St.
Thanks for coming to my TED Talk. The matter is now put to bed. No amount of wriggling on the hook or attempt at misdirection can change the fact that McBride was and is connected to Tufton St.
Simple yes or no question.
Does she currently get paid by any one at Tufton street. "
Yes |
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"So you can link any one to Tufton street with they're all pretty much tbe same thing....
This gets Tedious. Find an actual link please toc adhering being funded Woking out of. Until then. You're not making like for like comparisons.
Lol you think she writes all those articles for free? Just because someone is no longer employed by an organisation it doesn’t mean they sever connection or no longer provide consultancy or get paid for talks and articles! Some of my biggest clients were once my employer.
However, McBride is but one person. My OP stands. This is just two sides to the lobbying coin. They are all at it.
So she has no cure to connection to Tufton street. Everything you say is just ranting.
Thanks.
I love (not really) the way you twist words or simply ignore what is written. I have explained her current connection very clearly. She is still paid by various organisations based in or connected to Tufton St. That is how it works when you are freelance rather than an employee. She has to stay “on message” otherwise her income streams will dry up!
You haven't explained any current connection. That's the point.
Oh lawd! You are an intelligent guy so I simply cannot believe your apparent naivety is genuine. I can therefore only conclude you are being disingenuous (to use one your latest fav words).
1. A former employee of economic think tank based out of Tufton St.
2. Goes freelance and gives talks, writes articles, and provides consultancy to the same think tank AND a wealth of others (and is paid for that).
3. Those other organisations are a mix of those based/registered at Tufton St, connected to orgs based/registered at Tufton St, or set up and/or staffed by alumni of orgs based/registered at Tufton St.
4. She only gets work from them (and income) if her messages align with or support their agenda. If she starts going “off message” her work will dry up.
5. So she owes her livelihood and therefore loyalty to orgs based/registered in Tufton St.
Thanks for coming to my TED Talk. The matter is now put to bed. No amount of wriggling on the hook or attempt at misdirection can change the fact that McBride was and is connected to Tufton St.
Simple yes or no question.
Does she currently get paid by any one at Tufton street.
Yes"
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"Caerphilly Cheese did indeed take a hit for a while. I’m glad you chose not to say it had been banned as many Brexit outlets did (inc. the telegraph)."
What would be wrong with describing it as banned? The law was changed such that it became illegal to make the cheese in the traditional way. How it that not a banning? |
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"Caerphilly Cheese did indeed take a hit for a while. I’m glad you chose not to say it had been banned as many Brexit outlets did (inc. the telegraph).
What would be wrong with describing it as banned? The law was changed such that it became illegal to make the cheese in the traditional way. How it that not a banning?"
Could you still buy Caerphilly cheese?
Indeed was Caerphilly cheese granted European protection in 2018? |
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"Caerphilly Cheese did indeed take a hit for a while. I’m glad you chose not to say it had been banned as many Brexit outlets did (inc. the telegraph).
What would be wrong with describing it as banned? The law was changed such that it became illegal to make the cheese in the traditional way. How it that not a banning?
Could you still buy Caerphilly cheese?
Indeed was Caerphilly cheese granted European protection in 2018?"
Does something having the same name make it the same product? |
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"Caerphilly Cheese did indeed take a hit for a while. I’m glad you chose not to say it had been banned as many Brexit outlets did (inc. the telegraph).
What would be wrong with describing it as banned? The law was changed such that it became illegal to make the cheese in the traditional way. How it that not a banning?
Could you still buy Caerphilly cheese?
Indeed was Caerphilly cheese granted European protection in 2018?
Does something having the same name make it the same product?"
You tell me:
https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/media/5fd36885d3bf7f305ffa7ede/pfn-welsh-caerphilly-product-spec.pdf |
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"Caerphilly Cheese did indeed take a hit for a while. I’m glad you chose not to say it had been banned as many Brexit outlets did (inc. the telegraph).
What would be wrong with describing it as banned? The law was changed such that it became illegal to make the cheese in the traditional way. How it that not a banning?
Could you still buy Caerphilly cheese?
Indeed was Caerphilly cheese granted European protection in 2018?
Does something having the same name make it the same product?
You tell me:
https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/media/5fd36885d3bf7f305ffa7ede/pfn-welsh-caerphilly-product-spec.pdf"
Why does the regional protection have anything to do with it?
We both know it wasn't the same product, you just won't admit it. |
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"Caerphilly Cheese did indeed take a hit for a while. I’m glad you chose not to say it had been banned as many Brexit outlets did (inc. the telegraph).
What would be wrong with describing it as banned? The law was changed such that it became illegal to make the cheese in the traditional way. How it that not a banning?
Could you still buy Caerphilly cheese?
Indeed was Caerphilly cheese granted European protection in 2018?
Does something having the same name make it the same product?
You tell me:
https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/media/5fd36885d3bf7f305ffa7ede/pfn-welsh-caerphilly-product-spec.pdf
Why does the regional protection have anything to do with it?
We both know it wasn't the same product, you just won't admit it. "
Feisty, I’m not getting into a pissing contest with you.
Caerphilly cheese was never banned. It was always available, and can be made with pasteurised or raw milk, as per the piece linked.
I’m gonna go look for ‘we can once again make Caerphilly cheese’ on the side of a big red bus from 2016. |
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"Caerphilly Cheese did indeed take a hit for a while. I’m glad you chose not to say it had been banned as many Brexit outlets did (inc. the telegraph)."
"What would be wrong with describing it as banned? The law was changed such that it became illegal to make the cheese in the traditional way. How it that not a banning?"
"Could you still buy Caerphilly cheese?"
That depends on how you look at it. Yes there was still a similar cheese called 'Caerphilly' available in shops, but no you couldn't buy the traditional stuff.
It's like Wright's Coal Tar Soap. It got banned quite a while ago. You can still buy a very similar product that looks identical and smells similar, but you can't get the old recipe because the main ingredient has been banned.
I'd say that means that the product has been banned and a new, very similar, product has been created to fill the gap. How would you see that? |
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"Caerphilly Cheese did indeed take a hit for a while. I’m glad you chose not to say it had been banned as many Brexit outlets did (inc. the telegraph).
What would be wrong with describing it as banned? The law was changed such that it became illegal to make the cheese in the traditional way. How it that not a banning?
Could you still buy Caerphilly cheese?
Indeed was Caerphilly cheese granted European protection in 2018?
Does something having the same name make it the same product?
You tell me:
https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/media/5fd36885d3bf7f305ffa7ede/pfn-welsh-caerphilly-product-spec.pdf
Why does the regional protection have anything to do with it?
We both know it wasn't the same product, you just won't admit it. "
Hmmm a gi for a name doesn't make it the same product. I wouldnt calk coca cola today the same product as coca cola in 1920 |
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Anyone got any financial details on the impact of unpasteurised Caerphilly cheese?
Just wondering how much it offsets the cost of leaving the worlds largest trading bloc. |
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"Caerphilly Cheese did indeed take a hit for a while. I’m glad you chose not to say it had been banned as many Brexit outlets did (inc. the telegraph).
What would be wrong with describing it as banned? The law was changed such that it became illegal to make the cheese in the traditional way. How it that not a banning?
Could you still buy Caerphilly cheese?
That depends on how you look at it. Yes there was still a similar cheese called 'Caerphilly' available in shops, but no you couldn't buy the traditional stuff.
It's like Wright's Coal Tar Soap. It got banned quite a while ago. You can still buy a very similar product that looks identical and smells similar, but you can't get the old recipe because the main ingredient has been banned.
I'd say that means that the product has been banned and a new, very similar, product has been created to fill the gap. How would you see that?"
I’d accept that products change over time. Is a BMW 3 series the same now as it was in the 1980’s?
Soon you won’t be able to buy a petrol 3 series. They’ll be electric. But they’ll still be a 3 series. |
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"Anyone got any financial details on the impact of unpasteurised Caerphilly cheese?
Just wondering how much it offsets the cost of leaving the worlds largest trading bloc."
That isn't the point. Your original post was suggesting that there were no positives to farming from Brexit. Caerphilly cheese is one such positive. |
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"Anyone got any financial details on the impact of unpasteurised Caerphilly cheese?
Just wondering how much it offsets the cost of leaving the worlds largest trading bloc.
That isn't the point. Your original post was suggesting that there were no positives to farming from Brexit. Caerphilly cheese is one such positive."
It is. I’ll grant that for the cheese manufacturers, the ability to once again make traditional unpasteurised Caerphilly cheese is an enormous bountiful benefit.
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"I’d accept that products change over time. Is a BMW 3 series the same now as it was in the 1980’s?
Soon you won’t be able to buy a petrol 3 series. They’ll be electric. But they’ll still be a 3 series. "
Will I be unable to buy a petrol engined 3-series because BMW have decided that they don't want to make petrol engines any more? Or will it be because ICEs have been banned? |
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"I’d accept that products change over time. Is a BMW 3 series the same now as it was in the 1980’s?
Soon you won’t be able to buy a petrol 3 series. They’ll be electric. But they’ll still be a 3 series.
Will I be unable to buy a petrol engined 3-series because BMW have decided that they don't want to make petrol engines any more? Or will it be because ICEs have been banned?"
Ultimately it’ll be the latter, I’d suspect. |
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"I’ll grant that for the cheese manufacturers, the ability to once again make traditional unpasteurised Caerphilly cheese is an enormous bountiful benefit.
I don’t think it was worth giving up FoM for, like. But hey ho."
Nobody said it was. I'm not sure why you think that point needs to be argued against. |
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"I’d accept that products change over time. Is a BMW 3 series the same now as it was in the 1980’s?
Soon you won’t be able to buy a petrol 3 series. They’ll be electric. But they’ll still be a 3 series."
"Will I be unable to buy a petrol engined 3-series because BMW have decided that they don't want to make petrol engines any more? Or will it be because ICEs have been banned?"
"Ultimately it’ll be the latter, I’d suspect."
So you accept that the petrol BMW 3-series will have been banned then? Just like Caerphilly cheese was. |
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"I’d accept that products change over time. Is a BMW 3 series the same now as it was in the 1980’s?
Soon you won’t be able to buy a petrol 3 series. They’ll be electric. But they’ll still be a 3 series.
Will I be unable to buy a petrol engined 3-series because BMW have decided that they don't want to make petrol engines any more? Or will it be because ICEs have been banned?
Ultimately it’ll be the latter, I’d suspect.
So you accept that the petrol BMW 3-series will have been banned then? Just like Caerphilly cheese was."
No, I didn’t mention a petrol 3 series - You did.
The BMW 3 series will still exist, just as Caerphilly cheese always has. |
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By *irldnCouple
over a year ago
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"So you can link any one to Tufton street with they're all pretty much tbe same thing....
This gets Tedious. Find an actual link please toc adhering being funded Woking out of. Until then. You're not making like for like comparisons.
Lol you think she writes all those articles for free? Just because someone is no longer employed by an organisation it doesn’t mean they sever connection or no longer provide consultancy or get paid for talks and articles! Some of my biggest clients were once my employer.
However, McBride is but one person. My OP stands. This is just two sides to the lobbying coin. They are all at it.
So she has no cure to connection to Tufton street. Everything you say is just ranting.
Thanks.
I love (not really) the way you twist words or simply ignore what is written. I have explained her current connection very clearly. She is still paid by various organisations based in or connected to Tufton St. That is how it works when you are freelance rather than an employee. She has to stay “on message” otherwise her income streams will dry up!
You haven't explained any current connection. That's the point.
Oh lawd! You are an intelligent guy so I simply cannot believe your apparent naivety is genuine. I can therefore only conclude you are being disingenuous (to use one your latest fav words).
1. A former employee of economic think tank based out of Tufton St.
2. Goes freelance and gives talks, writes articles, and provides consultancy to the same think tank AND a wealth of others (and is paid for that).
3. Those other organisations are a mix of those based/registered at Tufton St, connected to orgs based/registered at Tufton St, or set up and/or staffed by alumni of orgs based/registered at Tufton St.
4. She only gets work from them (and income) if her messages align with or support their agenda. If she starts going “off message” her work will dry up.
5. So she owes her livelihood and therefore loyalty to orgs based/registered in Tufton St.
Thanks for coming to my TED Talk. The matter is now put to bed. No amount of wriggling on the hook or attempt at misdirection can change the fact that McBride was and is connected to Tufton St.
Simple yes or no question.
Does she currently get paid by any one at Tufton street.
Yes..cool. what's the proof?"
Google her to check out the long list of who she has written articles for and who she has done talks for. They paid her. Her consultancy work is not going to be clearly in the public domain but it doesn’t take Sherlock Holmes to work out. |
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over a year ago
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"Not a great interview, no context
Undeniable brexit has had a negative impact on British farming. "
As someone who has been farming cattle, sheep and arable for nearly more than 40 years I have found market conditions to be vastly better since leaving the EU.
We were told tales of lambs that would have to be culled as having no value, yet market demand is higher than it has ever been. Similar story with wheat, but that has other influences. |
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"So you can link any one to Tufton street with they're all pretty much tbe same thing....
This gets Tedious. Find an actual link please toc adhering being funded Woking out of. Until then. You're not making like for like comparisons.
Lol you think she writes all those articles for free? Just because someone is no longer employed by an organisation it doesn’t mean they sever connection or no longer provide consultancy or get paid for talks and articles! Some of my biggest clients were once my employer.
However, McBride is but one person. My OP stands. This is just two sides to the lobbying coin. They are all at it.
So she has no cure to connection to Tufton street. Everything you say is just ranting.
Thanks.
I love (not really) the way you twist words or simply ignore what is written. I have explained her current connection very clearly. She is still paid by various organisations based in or connected to Tufton St. That is how it works when you are freelance rather than an employee. She has to stay “on message” otherwise her income streams will dry up!
You haven't explained any current connection. That's the point.
Oh lawd! You are an intelligent guy so I simply cannot believe your apparent naivety is genuine. I can therefore only conclude you are being disingenuous (to use one your latest fav words).
1. A former employee of economic think tank based out of Tufton St.
2. Goes freelance and gives talks, writes articles, and provides consultancy to the same think tank AND a wealth of others (and is paid for that).
3. Those other organisations are a mix of those based/registered at Tufton St, connected to orgs based/registered at Tufton St, or set up and/or staffed by alumni of orgs based/registered at Tufton St.
4. She only gets work from them (and income) if her messages align with or support their agenda. If she starts going “off message” her work will dry up.
5. So she owes her livelihood and therefore loyalty to orgs based/registered in Tufton St.
Thanks for coming to my TED Talk. The matter is now put to bed. No amount of wriggling on the hook or attempt at misdirection can change the fact that McBride was and is connected to Tufton St.
Simple yes or no question.
Does she currently get paid by any one at Tufton street.
Yes..cool. what's the proof?
Google her to check out the long list of who she has written articles for and who she has done talks for. They paid her. Her consultancy work is not going to be clearly in the public domain but it doesn’t take Sherlock Holmes to work out."
I know who she is. We interact on occasions on twitter and other platforms like linked in.
I await your proof
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"Caerphilly Cheese did indeed take a hit for a while. I’m glad you chose not to say it had been banned as many Brexit outlets did (inc. the telegraph).
What would be wrong with describing it as banned? The law was changed such that it became illegal to make the cheese in the traditional way. How it that not a banning?
Could you still buy Caerphilly cheese?
Indeed was Caerphilly cheese granted European protection in 2018?
Does something having the same name make it the same product?
You tell me:
https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/media/5fd36885d3bf7f305ffa7ede/pfn-welsh-caerphilly-product-spec.pdf
Why does the regional protection have anything to do with it?
We both know it wasn't the same product, you just won't admit it.
Feisty, I’m not getting into a pissing contest with you.
Caerphilly cheese was never banned. It was always available, and can be made with pasteurised or raw milk, as per the piece linked.
I’m gonna go look for ‘we can once again make Caerphilly cheese’ on the side of a big red bus from 2016. "
What pissing contest?
I never said Caerphilly was banned, but I'll say it now. A similar product with the same name is not the same product.
I notice you ignored earlier when I told you income from farming has increased in the last 2 years. Tell me there has been no positives in farming again... |
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"Not a great interview, no context
Undeniable brexit has had a negative impact on British farming.
As someone who has been farming cattle, sheep and arable for nearly more than 40 years I have found market conditions to be vastly better since leaving the EU.
We were told tales of lambs that would have to be culled as having no value, yet market demand is higher than it has ever been. Similar story with wheat, but that has other influences."
How has the loss of subsidy impacted you - If at all?
Information online suggests that the govt. SFI payments have created quite a shortfall in funding. |
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"Caerphilly Cheese did indeed take a hit for a while. I’m glad you chose not to say it had been banned as many Brexit outlets did (inc. the telegraph).
What would be wrong with describing it as banned? The law was changed such that it became illegal to make the cheese in the traditional way. How it that not a banning?
Could you still buy Caerphilly cheese?
Indeed was Caerphilly cheese granted European protection in 2018?
Does something having the same name make it the same product?
You tell me:
https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/media/5fd36885d3bf7f305ffa7ede/pfn-welsh-caerphilly-product-spec.pdf
Why does the regional protection have anything to do with it?
We both know it wasn't the same product, you just won't admit it.
Feisty, I’m not getting into a pissing contest with you.
Caerphilly cheese was never banned. It was always available, and can be made with pasteurised or raw milk, as per the piece linked.
I’m gonna go look for ‘we can once again make Caerphilly cheese’ on the side of a big red bus from 2016.
What pissing contest?
I never said Caerphilly was banned, but I'll say it now. A similar product with the same name is not the same product.
I notice you ignored earlier when I told you income from farming has increased in the last 2 years. Tell me there has been no positives in farming again..."
What about lost subsidies? There doesn’t appear to be much positivity in the industry from what I’m reading online. |
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"Caerphilly Cheese did indeed take a hit for a while. I’m glad you chose not to say it had been banned as many Brexit outlets did (inc. the telegraph).
What would be wrong with describing it as banned? The law was changed such that it became illegal to make the cheese in the traditional way. How it that not a banning?
Could you still buy Caerphilly cheese?
Indeed was Caerphilly cheese granted European protection in 2018?
Does something having the same name make it the same product?
You tell me:
https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/media/5fd36885d3bf7f305ffa7ede/pfn-welsh-caerphilly-product-spec.pdf
Why does the regional protection have anything to do with it?
We both know it wasn't the same product, you just won't admit it.
Feisty, I’m not getting into a pissing contest with you.
Caerphilly cheese was never banned. It was always available, and can be made with pasteurised or raw milk, as per the piece linked.
I’m gonna go look for ‘we can once again make Caerphilly cheese’ on the side of a big red bus from 2016.
What pissing contest?
I never said Caerphilly was banned, but I'll say it now. A similar product with the same name is not the same product.
I notice you ignored earlier when I told you income from farming has increased in the last 2 years. Tell me there has been no positives in farming again...
What about lost subsidies? There doesn’t appear to be much positivity in the industry from what I’m reading online. "
What about them?
You should read data instead of opinion. |
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Here’s some good info on farming - recovery has been strong, but Brexit’s head hangs over the industry still.
https://www.statista.com/topics/8343/uk-farmers-and-brexit/#topicOverview |
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"Caerphilly Cheese did indeed take a hit for a while. I’m glad you chose not to say it had been banned as many Brexit outlets did (inc. the telegraph).
What would be wrong with describing it as banned? The law was changed such that it became illegal to make the cheese in the traditional way. How it that not a banning?
Could you still buy Caerphilly cheese?
Indeed was Caerphilly cheese granted European protection in 2018?
Does something having the same name make it the same product?
You tell me:
https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/media/5fd36885d3bf7f305ffa7ede/pfn-welsh-caerphilly-product-spec.pdf
Why does the regional protection have anything to do with it?
We both know it wasn't the same product, you just won't admit it.
Feisty, I’m not getting into a pissing contest with you.
Caerphilly cheese was never banned. It was always available, and can be made with pasteurised or raw milk, as per the piece linked.
I’m gonna go look for ‘we can once again make Caerphilly cheese’ on the side of a big red bus from 2016.
What pissing contest?
I never said Caerphilly was banned, but I'll say it now. A similar product with the same name is not the same product.
I notice you ignored earlier when I told you income from farming has increased in the last 2 years. Tell me there has been no positives in farming again...
What about lost subsidies? There doesn’t appear to be much positivity in the industry from what I’m reading online.
What about them?
You should read data instead of opinion."
Opinion of farming from farmers is valid, no? Certainly more valid than anything you or I could bring to the conversation. |
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"Caerphilly Cheese did indeed take a hit for a while. I’m glad you chose not to say it had been banned as many Brexit outlets did (inc. the telegraph).
What would be wrong with describing it as banned? The law was changed such that it became illegal to make the cheese in the traditional way. How it that not a banning?
Could you still buy Caerphilly cheese?
Indeed was Caerphilly cheese granted European protection in 2018?
Does something having the same name make it the same product?
You tell me:
https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/media/5fd36885d3bf7f305ffa7ede/pfn-welsh-caerphilly-product-spec.pdf
Why does the regional protection have anything to do with it?
We both know it wasn't the same product, you just won't admit it.
Feisty, I’m not getting into a pissing contest with you.
Caerphilly cheese was never banned. It was always available, and can be made with pasteurised or raw milk, as per the piece linked.
I’m gonna go look for ‘we can once again make Caerphilly cheese’ on the side of a big red bus from 2016.
What pissing contest?
I never said Caerphilly was banned, but I'll say it now. A similar product with the same name is not the same product.
I notice you ignored earlier when I told you income from farming has increased in the last 2 years. Tell me there has been no positives in farming again...
What about lost subsidies? There doesn’t appear to be much positivity in the industry from what I’m reading online.
What about them?
You should read data instead of opinion.
Opinion of farming from farmers is valid, no? Certainly more valid than anything you or I could bring to the conversation."
Of course it's valid.
Hold more weight than data? Never. |
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over a year ago
Brighton |
"So you can link any one to Tufton street with they're all pretty much tbe same thing....
This gets Tedious. Find an actual link please toc adhering being funded Woking out of. Until then. You're not making like for like comparisons.
Lol you think she writes all those articles for free? Just because someone is no longer employed by an organisation it doesn’t mean they sever connection or no longer provide consultancy or get paid for talks and articles! Some of my biggest clients were once my employer.
However, McBride is but one person. My OP stands. This is just two sides to the lobbying coin. They are all at it.
So she has no cure to connection to Tufton street. Everything you say is just ranting.
Thanks.
I love (not really) the way you twist words or simply ignore what is written. I have explained her current connection very clearly. She is still paid by various organisations based in or connected to Tufton St. That is how it works when you are freelance rather than an employee. She has to stay “on message” otherwise her income streams will dry up!
You haven't explained any current connection. That's the point.
Oh lawd! You are an intelligent guy so I simply cannot believe your apparent naivety is genuine. I can therefore only conclude you are being disingenuous (to use one your latest fav words).
1. A former employee of economic think tank based out of Tufton St.
2. Goes freelance and gives talks, writes articles, and provides consultancy to the same think tank AND a wealth of others (and is paid for that).
3. Those other organisations are a mix of those based/registered at Tufton St, connected to orgs based/registered at Tufton St, or set up and/or staffed by alumni of orgs based/registered at Tufton St.
4. She only gets work from them (and income) if her messages align with or support their agenda. If she starts going “off message” her work will dry up.
5. So she owes her livelihood and therefore loyalty to orgs based/registered in Tufton St.
Thanks for coming to my TED Talk. The matter is now put to bed. No amount of wriggling on the hook or attempt at misdirection can change the fact that McBride was and is connected to Tufton St.
Simple yes or no question.
Does she currently get paid by any one at Tufton street.
Yes..cool. what's the proof?
Google her to check out the long list of who she has written articles for and who she has done talks for. They paid her. Her consultancy work is not going to be clearly in the public domain but it doesn’t take Sherlock Holmes to work out.
I know who she is. We interact on occasions on twitter and other platforms like linked in.
I await your proof
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I know you know as I know you follow her on Twitter and suspect you have exchanged the odd post or more. Do you know her well enough to ask her who pays her for doing articles and talks? Go ahead and ask! Pretty sure she is open and upfront on her affiliations as she believes in them. The only way I can provide “proof” is if I had copies of her invoices and bank statements. Are you honestly trying to claim she does all that work gratis? Really!? Even if she is working for free, that still means she has connections with those organisations.
Come on Morley, I am not sure why you are taking this stand? Why does it matter if she does work for orgs connected to Tufton St? If she believes in what they stand for then what is the harm? Why the denial on your part? Are you trying to disassociate? Next you’ll be saying Liz Truss has never been paid by any orgs connected to Tufton St!!!! |
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"No, I didn’t mention a petrol 3 series - You did."
Your browser has a search function. It'll tell you which of us first mentioned petrol.
I'm beginning to wonder if your account isn't being used by 2 people, each of which is unaware of what the other has said. |
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"How has the loss of subsidy impacted you - If at all?
Information online suggests that the govt. SFI payments have created quite a shortfall in funding."
I suggest you go back and look at the news stories before Brexit, and see how well the government managed to pay subsidies then. The numerous fines that the UK got for failing to pay will help you make your mind up. |
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"No, I didn’t mention a petrol 3 series - You did.
Your browser has a search function. It'll tell you which of us first mentioned petrol.
I'm beginning to wonder if your account isn't being used by 2 people, each of which is unaware of what the other has said."
Oh my bad, I did indeed use the word petrol first, apologies.
You’re the one who wants to pretend that an electric BMW 3 series isn’t a 3 series because it somehow supports your argument that Caerphilly cheese was banned (when it wasn’t) like some GB news hack.
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"How has the loss of subsidy impacted you - If at all?
Information online suggests that the govt. SFI payments have created quite a shortfall in funding.
I suggest you go back and look at the news stories before Brexit, and see how well the government managed to pay subsidies then. The numerous fines that the UK got for failing to pay will help you make your mind up."
I’m asking a question of a farmer, with genuine interest, thanks. |
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"So you can link any one to Tufton street with they're all pretty much tbe same thing....
This gets Tedious. Find an actual link please toc adhering being funded Woking out of. Until then. You're not making like for like comparisons.
Lol you think she writes all those articles for free? Just because someone is no longer employed by an organisation it doesn’t mean they sever connection or no longer provide consultancy or get paid for talks and articles! Some of my biggest clients were once my employer.
However, McBride is but one person. My OP stands. This is just two sides to the lobbying coin. They are all at it.
So she has no cure to connection to Tufton street. Everything you say is just ranting.
Thanks.
I love (not really) the way you twist words or simply ignore what is written. I have explained her current connection very clearly. She is still paid by various organisations based in or connected to Tufton St. That is how it works when you are freelance rather than an employee. She has to stay “on message” otherwise her income streams will dry up!
You haven't explained any current connection. That's the point.
Oh lawd! You are an intelligent guy so I simply cannot believe your apparent naivety is genuine. I can therefore only conclude you are being disingenuous (to use one your latest fav words).
1. A former employee of economic think tank based out of Tufton St.
2. Goes freelance and gives talks, writes articles, and provides consultancy to the same think tank AND a wealth of others (and is paid for that).
3. Those other organisations are a mix of those based/registered at Tufton St, connected to orgs based/registered at Tufton St, or set up and/or staffed by alumni of orgs based/registered at Tufton St.
4. She only gets work from them (and income) if her messages align with or support their agenda. If she starts going “off message” her work will dry up.
5. So she owes her livelihood and therefore loyalty to orgs based/registered in Tufton St.
Thanks for coming to my TED Talk. The matter is now put to bed. No amount of wriggling on the hook or attempt at misdirection can change the fact that McBride was and is connected to Tufton St.
Simple yes or no question.
Does she currently get paid by any one at Tufton street.
Yes..cool. what's the proof?
Google her to check out the long list of who she has written articles for and who she has done talks for. They paid her. Her consultancy work is not going to be clearly in the public domain but it doesn’t take Sherlock Holmes to work out.
I know who she is. We interact on occasions on twitter and other platforms like linked in.
I await your proof
I know you know as I know you follow her on Twitter and suspect you have exchanged the odd post or more. Do you know her well enough to ask her who pays her for doing articles and talks? Go ahead and ask! Pretty sure she is open and upfront on her affiliations as she believes in them. The only way I can provide “proof” is if I had copies of her invoices and bank statements. Are you honestly trying to claim she does all that work gratis? Really!? Even if she is working for free, that still means she has connections with those organisations.
Come on Morley, I am not sure why you are taking this stand? Why does it matter if she does work for orgs connected to Tufton St? If she believes in what they stand for then what is the harm? Why the denial on your part? Are you trying to disassociate? Next you’ll be saying Liz Truss has never been paid by any orgs connected to Tufton St!!!!"
It's not for me to seek YOUR proof of claim.
We know liz had a remain office share and a remain lobby as their data controller.
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"No, I didn’t mention a petrol 3 series - You did.
Your browser has a search function. It'll tell you which of us first mentioned petrol.
I'm beginning to wonder if your account isn't being used by 2 people, each of which is unaware of what the other has said.
Oh my bad, I did indeed use the word petrol first, apologies.
You’re the one who wants to pretend that an electric BMW 3 series isn’t a 3 series because it somehow supports your argument that Caerphilly cheese was banned (when it wasn’t) like some GB news hack.
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You're focusing too much on the '3-series' and not the banning of ICE vehicles.
If you want to make a comparison it should be with ICE vehicles, not a particular brand or model.
Why? Because Caerphilly cheese isn't a brand or model. |
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"No, I didn’t mention a petrol 3 series - You did.
Your browser has a search function. It'll tell you which of us first mentioned petrol.
I'm beginning to wonder if your account isn't being used by 2 people, each of which is unaware of what the other has said."
Hes destroyed homes own stance. |
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"No, I didn’t mention a petrol 3 series - You did.
Your browser has a search function. It'll tell you which of us first mentioned petrol.
I'm beginning to wonder if your account isn't being used by 2 people, each of which is unaware of what the other has said.
Oh my bad, I did indeed use the word petrol first, apologies.
You’re the one who wants to pretend that an electric BMW 3 series isn’t a 3 series because it somehow supports your argument that Caerphilly cheese was banned (when it wasn’t) like some GB news hack.
You're focusing too much on the '3-series' and not the banning of ICE vehicles.
If you want to make a comparison it should be with ICE vehicles, not a particular brand or model.
Why? Because Caerphilly cheese isn't a brand or model."
Why? Caerphilly cheese is a ‘brand or model’ of cheese. One which can be made with pasteurised or raw milk. Just as a car can be made with internal combustion or other means.
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"No, I didn’t mention a petrol 3 series - You did.
Your browser has a search function. It'll tell you which of us first mentioned petrol.
I'm beginning to wonder if your account isn't being used by 2 people, each of which is unaware of what the other has said.
Oh my bad, I did indeed use the word petrol first, apologies.
You’re the one who wants to pretend that an electric BMW 3 series isn’t a 3 series because it somehow supports your argument that Caerphilly cheese was banned (when it wasn’t) like some GB news hack.
You're focusing too much on the '3-series' and not the banning of ICE vehicles.
If you want to make a comparison it should be with ICE vehicles, not a particular brand or model.
Why? Because Caerphilly cheese isn't a brand or model.
Why? Caerphilly cheese is a ‘brand or model’ of cheese. One which can be made with pasteurised or raw milk. Just as a car can be made with internal combustion or other means.
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No it isn't. Cathedral City or Pilgrims Choice would be a brand and medium, mature etc would be a model.
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By *lfasoCouple
over a year ago
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"Not a great interview, no context
Undeniable brexit has had a negative impact on British farming.
As someone who has been farming cattle, sheep and arable for nearly more than 40 years I have found market conditions to be vastly better since leaving the EU.
We were told tales of lambs that would have to be culled as having no value, yet market demand is higher than it has ever been. Similar story with wheat, but that has other influences.
How has the loss of subsidy impacted you - If at all?
Information online suggests that the govt. SFI payments have created quite a shortfall in funding. "
The single payments are being phased out, can't happen soon enough. The uptake of the SFI will be minimal. Farmers have been farming sustainably for hundreds of years. There is no other way to farm successfully.
It must cost more to administer these schemes than they are worth. The red tape would be comical if it weren't so time consuming.
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By *lfasoCouple
over a year ago
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If anyone fancies a read, here is a link to the Sustainable Farming Initiative handbook of 162 pages:
https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/sfi-handbook-for-the-sfi-2023-offer
Don't forget to download the 5 page update with all the errata spotted since first published in June! |
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By *irldnCouple
over a year ago
Brighton |
"So you can link any one to Tufton street with they're all pretty much tbe same thing....
This gets Tedious. Find an actual link please toc adhering being funded Woking out of. Until then. You're not making like for like comparisons.
Lol you think she writes all those articles for free? Just because someone is no longer employed by an organisation it doesn’t mean they sever connection or no longer provide consultancy or get paid for talks and articles! Some of my biggest clients were once my employer.
However, McBride is but one person. My OP stands. This is just two sides to the lobbying coin. They are all at it.
So she has no cure to connection to Tufton street. Everything you say is just ranting.
Thanks.
I love (not really) the way you twist words or simply ignore what is written. I have explained her current connection very clearly. She is still paid by various organisations based in or connected to Tufton St. That is how it works when you are freelance rather than an employee. She has to stay “on message” otherwise her income streams will dry up!
You haven't explained any current connection. That's the point.
Oh lawd! You are an intelligent guy so I simply cannot believe your apparent naivety is genuine. I can therefore only conclude you are being disingenuous (to use one your latest fav words).
1. A former employee of economic think tank based out of Tufton St.
2. Goes freelance and gives talks, writes articles, and provides consultancy to the same think tank AND a wealth of others (and is paid for that).
3. Those other organisations are a mix of those based/registered at Tufton St, connected to orgs based/registered at Tufton St, or set up and/or staffed by alumni of orgs based/registered at Tufton St.
4. She only gets work from them (and income) if her messages align with or support their agenda. If she starts going “off message” her work will dry up.
5. So she owes her livelihood and therefore loyalty to orgs based/registered in Tufton St.
Thanks for coming to my TED Talk. The matter is now put to bed. No amount of wriggling on the hook or attempt at misdirection can change the fact that McBride was and is connected to Tufton St.
Simple yes or no question.
Does she currently get paid by any one at Tufton street.
Yes..cool. what's the proof?
Google her to check out the long list of who she has written articles for and who she has done talks for. They paid her. Her consultancy work is not going to be clearly in the public domain but it doesn’t take Sherlock Holmes to work out.
I know who she is. We interact on occasions on twitter and other platforms like linked in.
I await your proof
I know you know as I know you follow her on Twitter and suspect you have exchanged the odd post or more. Do you know her well enough to ask her who pays her for doing articles and talks? Go ahead and ask! Pretty sure she is open and upfront on her affiliations as she believes in them. The only way I can provide “proof” is if I had copies of her invoices and bank statements. Are you honestly trying to claim she does all that work gratis? Really!? Even if she is working for free, that still means she has connections with those organisations.
Come on Morley, I am not sure why you are taking this stand? Why does it matter if she does work for orgs connected to Tufton St? If she believes in what they stand for then what is the harm? Why the denial on your part? Are you trying to disassociate? Next you’ll be saying Liz Truss has never been paid by any orgs connected to Tufton St!!!!
It's not for me to seek YOUR proof of claim.
We know liz had a remain office share and a remain lobby as their data controller.
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And...? I have not said a single word for or against Liz Webster. I have pointed out she is the other side of the lobbying coin. Do you deny lobbying takes place across all aspects of the political spectrum?
Do you deny that Tufton St and orgs connected to that address in some shape or form are not part of the lobbying fraternity (in their case generally free market, neo-liberal, climate change denying, fossil fuel supporting, small govt, low/no regulation, pro-brexit/anti EU etc.
I pointed out a single person who is connected to Tufton St and in your usual way you have focused down on that rather than the broader comment which, for the third time, still stands.
McBride is connected to Tufton St (and orgs connected to Tufton St). Not sure why you would want to try and deny that? So you not yourself agree with the messaging coming out of those organisations? Luz Truss clearly did! |
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"No, I didn’t mention a petrol 3 series - You did."
"Your browser has a search function. It'll tell you which of us first mentioned petrol.
I'm beginning to wonder if your account isn't being used by 2 people, each of which is unaware of what the other has said."
"Oh my bad, I did indeed use the word petrol first, apologies.
You’re the one who wants to pretend that an electric BMW 3 series isn’t a 3 series because it somehow supports your argument that Caerphilly cheese was banned (when it wasn’t) like some GB news hack."
I'm doing no such thing. You posted about petrol cars, I responded about petrol cars. It's not my fault if you can't understand my answer because you don't know what you wrote in the first place. |
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"Opinion of farming from farmers is valid, no? Certainly more valid than anything you or I could bring to the conversation."
There's an opinion from a real farmer up above. They seem to think that things have improved since Brexit. Is that opinion not valid? |
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"Opinion of farming from farmers is valid, no? Certainly more valid than anything you or I could bring to the conversation.
There's an opinion from a real farmer up above. They seem to think that things have improved since Brexit. Is that opinion not valid?"
Yes it is. That’s why I was interested in asking.
Did I suggest it wasn’t valid at any point? |
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"No, I didn’t mention a petrol 3 series - You did.
Your browser has a search function. It'll tell you which of us first mentioned petrol.
I'm beginning to wonder if your account isn't being used by 2 people, each of which is unaware of what the other has said.
Oh my bad, I did indeed use the word petrol first, apologies.
You’re the one who wants to pretend that an electric BMW 3 series isn’t a 3 series because it somehow supports your argument that Caerphilly cheese was banned (when it wasn’t) like some GB news hack.
I'm doing no such thing. You posted about petrol cars, I responded about petrol cars. It's not my fault if you can't understand my answer because you don't know what you wrote in the first place."
Mate. You wrongly claimed that a cheese had been banned. You’ve had a shocker. |
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"Mate. You wrongly claimed that a cheese had been banned. You’ve had a shocker.
You need that search function again. I've not used the word banned in any of my posts about cheese."
Did you use the search function?
“ What would be wrong with describing it as banned? The law was changed such that it became illegal to make the cheese in the traditional way. How it that not a banning?” |
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"Mate. You wrongly claimed that a cheese had been banned. You’ve had a shocker."
"You need that search function again. I've not used the word banned in any of my posts about cheese."
"Did you use the search function?
“What would be wrong with describing it as banned? The law was changed such that it became illegal to make the cheese in the traditional way. How it that not a banning?” "
That's not me describing a cheese as banned, that's me asking you what your reasoning is.
But it's become very clear that 'reasoning' is not your strong suit, so I'll leave you to it. |
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"Mate. You wrongly claimed that a cheese had been banned. You’ve had a shocker.
You need that search function again. I've not used the word banned in any of my posts about cheese.
Did you use the search function?
“What would be wrong with describing it as banned? The law was changed such that it became illegal to make the cheese in the traditional way. How it that not a banning?”
That's not me describing a cheese as banned, that's me asking you what your reasoning is.
But it's become very clear that 'reasoning' is not your strong suit, so I'll leave you to it."
Of course that’s not you describing it as banned. Obviously  |
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One of the most important points that Liz has raised is food security. We are 3rd worst in the world ie we import more than 50% of our food.
This is obviously fine if the model of cheap food imports can be adhered to but we are importing from countries very vulnerable to climate change and hedge funds have started realising that there is serious money to be made by hedging commodities.
Bottom line - Liz is saying we need to become more self reliant. The low cost model of food imports is fucked. And most importantly we need farmers to grow food ( mostly veg and there will
Always be a need for meat/ dairy )- currently we are dis incentivising entry into the industry.
We are as a result , very vulnerable to food price inflation and Brexit has also compounded the problem. |
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"One of the most important points that Liz has raised is food security. We are 3rd worst in the world ie we import more than 50% of our food.
This is obviously fine if the model of cheap food imports can be adhered to but we are importing from countries very vulnerable to climate change and hedge funds have started realising that there is serious money to be made by hedging commodities.
Bottom line - Liz is saying we need to become more self reliant. The low cost model of food imports is fucked. And most importantly we need farmers to grow food ( mostly veg and there will
Always be a need for meat/ dairy )- currently we are dis incentivising entry into the industry.
We are as a result , very vulnerable to food price inflation and Brexit has also compounded the problem."
im sorry was this different in the e.u? |
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By *otMe66Man
over a year ago
Terra Firma |
"One of the most important points that Liz has raised is food security. We are 3rd worst in the world ie we import more than 50% of our food.
This is obviously fine if the model of cheap food imports can be adhered to but we are importing from countries very vulnerable to climate change and hedge funds have started realising that there is serious money to be made by hedging commodities.
Bottom line - Liz is saying we need to become more self reliant. The low cost model of food imports is fucked. And most importantly we need farmers to grow food ( mostly veg and there will
Always be a need for meat/ dairy )- currently we are dis incentivising entry into the industry.
We are as a result , very vulnerable to food price inflation and Brexit has also compounded the problem."
A step backwards for everyone in the country that likes a choice of fresh and varied foods.
We can't grow the majority of the fresh produce the average UK person buys all year in this country. Our climate and energy costs make providing locally prohibitive.
A rep for any industry is going to make a plea for more people to buy from them. |
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By *irldnCouple
over a year ago
Brighton |
"One of the most important points that Liz has raised is food security. We are 3rd worst in the world ie we import more than 50% of our food.
This is obviously fine if the model of cheap food imports can be adhered to but we are importing from countries very vulnerable to climate change and hedge funds have started realising that there is serious money to be made by hedging commodities.
Bottom line - Liz is saying we need to become more self reliant. The low cost model of food imports is fucked. And most importantly we need farmers to grow food ( mostly veg and there will
Always be a need for meat/ dairy )- currently we are dis incentivising entry into the industry.
We are as a result , very vulnerable to food price inflation and Brexit has also compounded the problem.
A step backwards for everyone in the country that likes a choice of fresh and varied foods.
We can't grow the majority of the fresh produce the average UK person buys all year in this country. Our climate and energy costs make providing locally prohibitive.
A rep for any industry is going to make a plea for more people to buy from them. "
Agreed. And eating habits in the UK have changed over the years to reflect global supply chains and year round access to food types that are out of season in the UK.
I don’t know much about nutrition but I recall an article that suggested we would be healthier if our diet reflected seasonal produce, ie right nutrients at the right time. |
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"With lots of farmland being sold for new houses we would love to know how our leaders plan to feed the ever growing population.
Roast Immigrant with a side order of raw sewage?"
Brexit unicorn curry |
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"For those with limited time in their day, the video includes a 1 minute clip of Liz Webster being interviewed on the BBC, surrounded by 4 minutes of some random bloke talking about what he thinks. There's no context to explain what Liz is talking about, so if you're not familiar with the background, there's no point watching the video.
Liz is some one who constantly gets caught out lying and fact checked sadly.
She isn't worth any ones time of day to reply to.
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By *ercuryMan
over a year ago
Grantham |
"With lots of farmland being sold for new houses we would love to know how our leaders plan to feed the ever growing population."
Thousands of new houses in this area.
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"With lots of farmland being sold for new houses we would love to know how our leaders plan to feed the ever growing population.
Thousands of new houses in this area.
Not seeing the sewage works being enlarged though "
Do you usually inspect the sewage works at property developments in your area?
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By *irldnCouple
over a year ago
Brighton |
The sewage works comment does resonate though. It is all well and good to build more houses/homes. The UK certainly needs more houses/homes. But from my observation there seems to be pitifully inadequate attention paid to the required services in an area to support more people. Schools, GPs, Dentists, Sewage (I had not considered that previously but yeah?!), roads/traffic flows, etc. Is that a fair observation (or have I got that wrong)? If correct, then why? |
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By *ercuryMan
over a year ago
Grantham |
"With lots of farmland being sold for new houses we would love to know how our leaders plan to feed the ever growing population.
Thousands of new houses in this area.
Not seeing the sewage works being enlarged though
Do you usually inspect the sewage works at property developments in your area?
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It all goes to the sewage treatment plant for the town. Those works show no sign of enlargement.
Their are plans to build a new water reservoir locally, but this is running into opposition.
New infrastructure is not being built in line with the proposed housing estates. In fact, developers are building the houses, and then try to wriggle out of building the promised roads.
All infrastructure should be built first, then the houses can follow. |
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"The sewage works comment does resonate though. It is all well and good to build more houses/homes. The UK certainly needs more houses/homes. But from my observation there seems to be pitifully inadequate attention paid to the required services in an area to support more people. Schools, GPs, Dentists, Sewage (I had not considered that previously but yeah?!), roads/traffic flows, etc. Is that a fair observation (or have I got that wrong)? If correct, then why?"
Ironically you make up a strong point for one of my reasons to leave the e.u right here. |
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By *irldnCouple
over a year ago
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"The sewage works comment does resonate though. It is all well and good to build more houses/homes. The UK certainly needs more houses/homes. But from my observation there seems to be pitifully inadequate attention paid to the required services in an area to support more people. Schools, GPs, Dentists, Sewage (I had not considered that previously but yeah?!), roads/traffic flows, etc. Is that a fair observation (or have I got that wrong)? If correct, then why?
Ironically you make up a strong point for one of my reasons to leave the e.u right here."
Why is it ironic? Why is you “one of my reasons”? Did you steer the debate? Can’t say I had heard of you back in 2016?
Building more houses is a good thing. But they need all the services in place too. That is always the case regardless of membership of the EU and freedom of movement. |
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"The sewage works comment does resonate though. It is all well and good to build more houses/homes. The UK certainly needs more houses/homes. But from my observation there seems to be pitifully inadequate attention paid to the required services in an area to support more people. Schools, GPs, Dentists, Sewage (I had not considered that previously but yeah?!), roads/traffic flows, etc. Is that a fair observation (or have I got that wrong)? If correct, then why?
Ironically you make up a strong point for one of my reasons to leave the e.u right here.
Why is it ironic? Why is you “one of my reasons”? Did you steer the debate? Can’t say I had heard of you back in 2016?
Building more houses is a good thing. But they need all the services in place too. That is always the case regardless of membership of the EU and freedom of movement."
I said it was one of my reasons for why I voted. Not that I'd appeared on TV or anything. Dunno where you got that impression from
One of the defenses of large unfettered immigration was that contributions from e.u workers were positive in terms of tax and ni.
But as you point out.
It puts a stress on infrastructure.
Infrastructure that cost a LOT more ethan is put in
Extra cars on the road leading tow ear and tear.
More new schools.
More new hospitals.
More new teaches and drs and nurses
More police stations.
More officers needed.
More sewage connection necessary
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