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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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Whispers are abound that if Labour win the next GE, the US will provide a full trade agreement to sweeten the deal.
It seems that the US doesn’t want to do deals with current tory government for fear they we will be an unreliable trade partner.
It was mentioned that that the US will respect our food safety standards also.
Sounds like a win, if it ever comes to pass. |
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By *deepdiveMan
over a year ago
France / Birmingham |
"The US will ensure that it favours them most. They won't do any favours for the British. They are happy enough to not have a deal in place right now!"
I think that the US will make some deals in sectors that suit them (as they have already done with the EU) but, as you say, they are not going to make a deal just because Labour is in power or because the UK has left the EU.
A trade deal works best if both partners have something that the other wants but I don't really know what the UK can offer the US that it doesn't already have.
At the moment, it would appear that the UK is the one wanting a deal and is therefore the weaker party in the negotiation which is not ideal. |
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"Whispers are abound that if Labour win the next GE, the US will provide a full trade agreement to sweeten the deal.
It seems that the US doesn’t want to do deals with current tory government for fear they we will be an unreliable trade partner.
It was mentioned that that the US will respect our food safety standards also.
Sounds like a win, if it ever comes to pass."
The Biden administration put all trade deals on hold. He hopefully for the usa won't be president after this election. |
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"The US will ensure that it favours them most. They won't do any favours for the British. They are happy enough to not have a deal in place right now!
I think that the US will make some deals in sectors that suit them (as they have already done with the EU) but, as you say, they are not going to make a deal just because Labour is in power or because the UK has left the EU.
A trade deal works best if both partners have something that the other wants but I don't really know what the UK can offer the US that it doesn't already have.
At the moment, it would appear that the UK is the one wanting a deal and is therefore the weaker party in the negotiation which is not ideal."
The EU and usa dont have any sort of trade deal.
Individual states can alter some taxes on products. That's it. Some already have done this for the uk( not e.u)
The usa is currently not negotiating anything.
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By *deepdiveMan
over a year ago
France / Birmingham |
"The US will ensure that it favours them most. They won't do any favours for the British. They are happy enough to not have a deal in place right now!
I think that the US will make some deals in sectors that suit them (as they have already done with the EU) but, as you say, they are not going to make a deal just because Labour is in power or because the UK has left the EU.
A trade deal works best if both partners have something that the other wants but I don't really know what the UK can offer the US that it doesn't already have.
At the moment, it would appear that the UK is the one wanting a deal and is therefore the weaker party in the negotiation which is not ideal.
The EU and usa dont have any sort of trade deal.
Individual states can alter some taxes on products. That's it. Some already have done this for the uk( not e.u)
The usa is currently not negotiating anything.
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I stand corrected regarding what I said about deals in sectors between the EU and US.
I had thought that I had read that somewhere but could not find it when looking again. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Whispers are abound that if Labour win the next GE, the US will provide a full trade agreement to sweeten the deal.
It seems that the US doesn’t want to do deals with current tory government for fear they we will be an unreliable trade partner.
It was mentioned that that the US will respect our food safety standards also.
Sounds like a win, if it ever comes to pass."
Unlikely that a change of govt. would dramatically increase the opportunity for a trade deal tbh. And we have little or no leverage in any such deal.
I suspect we’ll one day end up with one of the USA’s cut n paste deals with a take it or leave it type agreement. |
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" I suspect we’ll one day end up with one of the USA’s cut n paste deals with a take it or leave it type agreement. "
This they have short arms, deep pockets. I speak from experience having discussed it with a financial mate who has clients around the world. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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The UK is a dud country to trade with. We are an expensive manufacturer of goods, and our phone based service economy is only good for in country business |
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By *yth11Couple
over a year ago
newark |
"Whispers are abound that if Labour win the next GE, the US will provide a full trade agreement to sweeten the deal.
It seems that the US doesn’t want to do deals with current tory government for fear they we will be an unreliable trade partner.
It was mentioned that that the US will respect our food safety standards also.
Sounds like a win, if it ever comes to pass."
I think mr Starmer knows rejoining the EU is a long shot once the process and likely costs become know hence the change in tone.
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"Whispers are abound that if Labour win the next GE, the US will provide a full trade agreement to sweeten the deal.
It seems that the US doesn’t want to do deals with current tory government for fear they we will be an unreliable trade partner.
It was mentioned that that the US will respect our food safety standards also.
Sounds like a win, if it ever comes to pass.
I think mr Starmer knows rejoining the EU is a long shot once the process and likely costs become know hence the change in tone.
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Mr starmer the davos guy.
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Whispers are abound that if Labour win the next GE, the US will provide a full trade agreement to sweeten the deal.
It seems that the US doesn’t want to do deals with current tory government for fear they we will be an unreliable trade partner.
It was mentioned that that the US will respect our food safety standards also.
Sounds like a win, if it ever comes to pass.
I think mr Starmer knows rejoining the EU is a long shot once the process and likely costs become know hence the change in tone.
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Hasn’t Starmer ruled out rejoining the EU? |
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By *yth11Couple
over a year ago
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"Whispers are abound that if Labour win the next GE, the US will provide a full trade agreement to sweeten the deal.
It seems that the US doesn’t want to do deals with current tory government for fear they we will be an unreliable trade partner.
It was mentioned that that the US will respect our food safety standards also.
Sounds like a win, if it ever comes to pass.
I think mr Starmer knows rejoining the EU is a long shot once the process and likely costs become know hence the change in tone.
Hasn’t Starmer ruled out rejoining the EU?"
True but fair few do not believe him on both sides of the debate. |
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By *irldnCouple
over a year ago
Brighton |
"Whispers are abound that if Labour win the next GE, the US will provide a full trade agreement to sweeten the deal.
It seems that the US doesn’t want to do deals with current tory government for fear they we will be an unreliable trade partner.
It was mentioned that that the US will respect our food safety standards also.
Sounds like a win, if it ever comes to pass.
I think mr Starmer knows rejoining the EU is a long shot once the process and likely costs become know hence the change in tone.
Hasn’t Starmer ruled out rejoining the EU?
True but fair few do not believe him on both sides of the debate."
IMHO the UK should NOT rejoin the EU. I voted remain. I still think Brexit was a mistake. But we will never get the sweet deal we had before. I would not want the UK to be in the Euro or within Schengen. Even joining the EEA is not as good as what we had before because we would be paying the membership but have no say over the rules.
The UK needs to chart our own course now and see where it takes us. I truly truly want to be wrong about Brexit. I WANT to be able to say to all I have argued with about it “you were right” because otherwise the UK is not going to be doing very well!
I am genuinely glad when we sign a trade deal or there is some good economic news. But until the net benefit outweighs the net loss of leaving the EU I won’t be celebrating (or apologising). |
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"Whispers are abound that if Labour win the next GE, the US will provide a full trade agreement to sweeten the deal.
It seems that the US doesn’t want to do deals with current tory government for fear they we will be an unreliable trade partner.
It was mentioned that that the US will respect our food safety standards also.
Sounds like a win, if it ever comes to pass.
I think mr Starmer knows rejoining the EU is a long shot once the process and likely costs become know hence the change in tone.
Hasn’t Starmer ruled out rejoining the EU?
True but fair few do not believe him on both sides of the debate.
IMHO the UK should NOT rejoin the EU. I voted remain. I still think Brexit was a mistake. But we will never get the sweet deal we had before. I would not want the UK to be in the Euro or within Schengen. Even joining the EEA is not as good as what we had before because we would be paying the membership but have no say over the rules.
The UK needs to chart our own course now and see where it takes us. I truly truly want to be wrong about Brexit. I WANT to be able to say to all I have argued with about it “you were right” because otherwise the UK is not going to be doing very well!
I am genuinely glad when we sign a trade deal or there is some good economic news. But until the net benefit outweighs the net loss of leaving the EU I won’t be celebrating (or apologising). "
You will never be celebrating and whatever the deal we could get, it will be better than the disaster we have now or could possibly find after charting our own course. |
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"American farmers don't want a UK trade deal. Your regulations are too strict."
Depends if the trade deal reduces our regulations. That's what Brexiteers hoped for.
If we can accept growth hormones, and faecal matter in our food, it'll work well for US producers. If not, it won't have any impact on them. |
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"American farmers don't want a UK trade deal. Your regulations are too strict.
Depends if the trade deal reduces our regulations. That's what Brexiteers hoped for.
If we can accept growth hormones, and faecal matter in our food, it'll work well for US producers. If not, it won't have any impact on them. "
Seeing as you brought up growth hormones, can you tell what's so bad about them? I've had a little search but can't find any answers. |
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"If we can accept growth hormones, and faecal matter in our food, it'll work well for US producers. If not, it won't have any impact on them."
We already accept faecal matter in our food products, at roughly the same level as the US does. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"American farmers don't want a UK trade deal. Your regulations are too strict.
Depends if the trade deal reduces our regulations. That's what Brexiteers hoped for.
If we can accept growth hormones, and faecal matter in our food, it'll work well for US producers. If not, it won't have any impact on them.
Seeing as you brought up growth hormones, can you tell what's so bad about them? I've had a little search but can't find any answers. "
My primary concern is around animal welfare. Hormones exist purely to speed up the fattening process in order to slaughter the animals faster. Such cows typically don’t get to graze. |
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"If we can accept growth hormones, and faecal matter in our food, it'll work well for US producers. If not, it won't have any impact on them.
We already accept faecal matter in our food products, at roughly the same level as the US does."
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"American farmers don't want a UK trade deal. Your regulations are too strict.
Depends if the trade deal reduces our regulations. That's what Brexiteers hoped for.
If we can accept growth hormones, and faecal matter in our food, it'll work well for US producers. If not, it won't have any impact on them.
Seeing as you brought up growth hormones, can you tell what's so bad about them? I've had a little search but can't find any answers.
My primary concern is around animal welfare. Hormones exist purely to speed up the fattening process in order to slaughter the animals faster. Such cows typically don’t get to graze. "
I understand the welfare argument. I don't personally agree with it but I do understand it.
I thought there may be some health issues too. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"American farmers don't want a UK trade deal. Your regulations are too strict.
Depends if the trade deal reduces our regulations. That's what Brexiteers hoped for.
If we can accept growth hormones, and faecal matter in our food, it'll work well for US producers. If not, it won't have any impact on them.
Seeing as you brought up growth hormones, can you tell what's so bad about them? I've had a little search but can't find any answers.
My primary concern is around animal welfare. Hormones exist purely to speed up the fattening process in order to slaughter the animals faster. Such cows typically don’t get to graze. "
Have you ever seen a cow in the wild ? No matter how hard I look there is none. Not one wild cow on my 15 acres. They must be extinct. Mooo |
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