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"Another great article which will appear in the Daily Express Kerni Badenoch has hit back at Brexit bores, naysayers and doom mongers insisting ' Global Britain is thriving ' The Businness Secretary fired a broadside at sceptics talking Britain down as she prepares to thrash out a multi - million pound trade deal with India . If successfull it will follow a flood of similar pacts that have cemented the UKs worldwide reputation as a lean and nimble country open for businness . And in a bullish memo to the doubters she told the Daily Express " Those voices of doom and gloom have been proved decisively wrong. Far from turning their backs on the UK , companies are queueing up to invest here . The UK is on the up and remains a country others want to deal with. Global Britain is here and thriving . It looks like anyone voting for Brexit has backed a winner " Puff piece articles to rally the troops isn’t going to cut it with most people. You got your wish, stop trying justify your choices, you don’t need to. | |||
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"That went well...." You posted about an absurd article that was effectively an attempt by Jonathan Harmsworth to insert his tongue as far up Bad Enoch's fundament as possible, in hopes/expectation that she is to become the next Tory leader (understanding that the Sunak-puppet is about to lose the election or be deposed by his own party). Said article was so far divorced from reality that it qualifies as fantasy more than the entire combined works of JRR Tolkien, Robert Jordan and David Gemmell. What did expect? Did you expect everyone to jump up and own in gleeful celebration of Bad Enoch? Did you expect everyone to develop a sudden case of 13-years' amnesia? Smeesh. | |||
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"Another great article which will appear in the Daily Express Kerni Badenoch has hit back at Brexit bores, naysayers and doom mongers insisting ' Global Britain is thriving ' The Businness Secretary fired a broadside at sceptics talking Britain down as she prepares to thrash out a multi - million pound trade deal with India . If successfull it will follow a flood of similar pacts that have cemented the UKs worldwide reputation as a lean and nimble country open for businness . And in a bullish memo to the doubters she told Daily Express " Those voices of doom and gloom have been proved decisively wrong. Far from turning their backs on the UK , companies are queueing up to invest here . The UK is on the up and remains a country others want to deal with. Global Britain is here and thriving . It looks like anyone voting for Brexit has backed a winner " . Where does your 4% figure come from . It would appear that the date ranges were manipulated in order to obtain this figure. Last time I checked we continue to trade with Eirope , just on slightly different terms . Your remarks about Kerni Badenochs nationality are rather offensive and in any event both her nationality and ethnic background are irrelevant to her ability to do do the job. | |||
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"Another great article which will appear in the Daily Express Kerni Badenoch has hit back at Brexit bores, naysayers and doom mongers insisting ' Global Britain is thriving ' The Businness Secretary fired a broadside at sceptics talking Britain down as she prepares to thrash out a multi - million pound trade deal with India . If successfull it will follow a flood of similar pacts that have cemented the UKs worldwide reputation as a lean and nimble country open for businness . And in a bullish memo to the doubters she told Daily Express " Those voices of doom and gloom have been proved decisively wrong. Far from turning their backs on the UK , companies are queueing up to invest here . The UK is on the up and remains a country others want to deal with. Global Britain is here and thriving . It looks like anyone voting for Brexit has backed a winner . Where does your 4% figure come from . It would appear that the date ranges were manipulated in order to obtain this figure. Last time I checked we continue to trade with Eirope , just on slightly different terms . Your remarks about Kerni Badenochs nationality are rather offensive and in any event both her nationality and ethnic background are irrelevant to her ability to do do the job. " Why have you Reply+quote yourself? Are you now arguing with yourself? I will happily celebrate a free trade deal with India when it is concluded and we can actually see what the real tangible benefits are to the people of the UK. Like any trade deal there will be winners and losers but let’s hope for a net benefit for the UK as a whole. | |||
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"Well, I thought at least one of the 'pooh-pooh and scoff crew' may have staggered into the midst of this (decently presented and optimistic) new thread. Yes, picture this sad scene, oft repeated with a pitiful regularity. Our Doomer crashes in with all the grace of a clattering carthorse, rolling eyes everywhere whilst sneering with the standard supercilious grin, swaying about like an MFI wardrobe and all the while clutching desperately onto their half-empty pot of Grimm's Bitter....(!!) Let the fun begin but...., I really don't hold much hope for a reasonable, grown-up and curtious exchange of views. Let's try for one, lets ALL attempt (myself included..!) at some postings which would present no bad feelings expressed in profane language. Come on, let's see who will be the first 'rotten sport' to lower a (hopefully!) reasonable and interesting debate. Just for once...?! "You see you just can’t help yourself. You start a post having a pop at a group of posters who hold different views to you but then try to take the moral high ground and suggest a sensible discussion 
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"Another great article which will appear in the Daily Express Kerni Badenoch has hit back at Brexit bores, naysayers and doom mongers insisting ' Global Britain is thriving ' The Businness Secretary fired a broadside at sceptics talking Britain down as she prepares to thrash out a multi - million pound trade deal with India . If successfull it will follow a flood of similar pacts that have cemented the UKs worldwide reputation as a lean and nimble country open for businness . And in a bullish memo to the doubters she told the Daily Express " Those voices of doom and gloom have been proved decisively wrong. Far from turning their backs on the UK , companies are queueing up to invest here . The UK is on the up and remains a country others want to deal with. Global Britain is here and thriving . It looks like anyone voting for Brexit has backed a winner " Top notch! One of my favourite things on this forum is when people don't realise you're trolling them, and they wade in agreeing with your posts. Amazing! | |||
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"Things like this won't make a difference some people won some didn't it was a individual persons choice to vote for Brexit or not each deal will mean something different to everyone " Exactly. People will also not change their opinions (certainly not those of us in this forum) therefore either posting to say how wonderful Britain is post Brexit or pointing out problems makes absolutely no difference apart from winding up people. Brexit should simply be a taboo subject as it appears to be in actual politics as nobody is going to be able to prove whether it was or is going to be beneficial or not. Britain is out out of the EU - we all have to move on and accept this without trying to score points. | |||
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"Well, I thought at least one of the 'pooh-pooh and scoff crew' may have staggered into the midst of this (decently presented and optimistic) new thread. Yes, picture this sad scene, oft repeated with a pitiful regularity. Our Doomer crashes in with all the grace of a clattering carthorse, rolling eyes everywhere whilst sneering with the standard supercilious grin, swaying about like an MFI wardrobe and all the while clutching desperately onto their half-empty pot of Grimm's Bitter....(!!) Let the fun begin but...., I really don't hold much hope for a reasonable, grown-up and curtious exchange of views. Let's try for one, lets ALL attempt (myself included..!) at some postings which would present no bad feelings expressed in profane language. Come on, let's see who will be the first 'rotten sport' to lower a (hopefully!) reasonable and interesting debate. Just for once...?! ". One of the best posts I have seen on the forum for a long time . No only is it well written , it is both informative and highly amusing. I hope that I am not copying all the other merchants of doom gloom and negativity on here , but I do have one criticism of your post . As I read it I found it so informative and amusing that my laugher nearly made me spit my coffee out of my mouth onto the laptop. If I do become a merchant of doom and gloom I will of course seek medical help from a Doctor. | |||
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"Well, I thought at least one of the 'pooh-pooh and scoff crew' may have staggered into the midst of this (decently presented and optimistic) new thread. Yes, picture this sad scene, oft repeated with a pitiful regularity. Our Doomer crashes in with all the grace of a clattering carthorse, rolling eyes everywhere whilst sneering with the standard supercilious grin, swaying about like an MFI wardrobe and all the while clutching desperately onto their half-empty pot of Grimm's Bitter....(!!) Let the fun begin but...., I really don't hold much hope for a reasonable, grown-up and curtious exchange of views. Let's try for one, lets ALL attempt (myself included..!) at some postings which would present no bad feelings expressed in profane language. Come on, let's see who will be the first 'rotten sport' to lower a (hopefully!) reasonable and interesting debate. Just for once...?! . One of the best posts I have seen on the forum for a long time . No only is it well written , it is both informative and highly amusing.
I hope that I am not copying all the other merchants of doom gloom and negativity on here , but I do have one criticism of your post .
As I read it I found it so informative and amusing that my laugher nearly made me spit my coffee out of my mouth onto the laptop.
If I do become a merchant of doom and gloom I will of course seek medical help from a Doctor. "You two should get a room  | |||
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"Things like this won't make a difference some people won some didn't it was a individual persons choice to vote for Brexit or not each deal will mean something different to everyone Exactly. People will also not change their opinions (certainly not those of us in this forum) therefore either posting to say how wonderful Britain is post Brexit or pointing out problems makes absolutely no difference apart from winding up people. Brexit should simply be a taboo subject as it appears to be in actual politics as nobody is going to be able to prove whether it was or is going to be beneficial or not. Britain is out out of the EU - we all have to move on and accept this without trying to score points." How are we supposed to move on, when as you pointed out, people and politicians are still pretending brexit was a good idea. And that there is an up side, but no one has found it yet. | |||
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"Another great article which will appear in the Daily Express Kerni Badenoch has hit back at Brexit bores, naysayers and doom mongers insisting ' Global Britain is thriving ' The Businness Secretary fired a broadside at sceptics talking Britain down as she prepares to thrash out a multi - million pound trade deal with India . If successfull it will follow a flood of similar pacts that have cemented the UKs worldwide reputation as a lean and nimble country open for businness . And in a bullish memo to the doubters she told the Daily Express " Those voices of doom and gloom have been proved decisively wrong. Far from turning their backs on the UK , companies are queueing up to invest here . The UK is on the up and remains a country others want to deal with. Global Britain is here and thriving . It looks like anyone voting for Brexit has backed a winner " Richard Tice seems to be somewhat alarmed at the possibility of this being another great giveaway by a Conservative Government more eager for a soundbyte than they are to do the right thing for the country. We are still somewhat humiliated by the vision of Australian newsreaders laughing out loud at how the British Goverment rolled over for a belly rub whilst hanging our farmers out to dry. Who or what will be sacrificed for an Indian trade deal? Let’s be brutally honest, they hold all the cards in this negotiation, so it will be interesting to see if British negotiators (or perhaps like Liz Truss, Badenoch will do it on her own without support or advice - who knows) can win some worthy concessions for the U.K. As others have said - the Express story is just another smoke and mirrors statement that means nothing until we see the merits of the Indian trade deal. With the loss of frictionless trade with our biggest and closest historical trading partners - we sure could do with some wins. Unfortunately, I just don’t trust this Government to act competently and in the best interest of the country anymore. Their track record is appalling - I just hope that this time, they do better. | |||
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"Things like this won't make a difference some people won some didn't it was a individual persons choice to vote for Brexit or not each deal will mean something different to everyone Exactly. People will also not change their opinions (certainly not those of us in this forum) therefore either posting to say how wonderful Britain is post Brexit or pointing out problems makes absolutely no difference apart from winding up people. Brexit should simply be a taboo subject as it appears to be in actual politics as nobody is going to be able to prove whether it was or is going to be beneficial or not. Britain is out out of the EU - we all have to move on and accept this without trying to score points. How are we supposed to move on, when as you pointed out, people and politicians are still pretending brexit was a good idea. And that there is an up side, but no one has found it yet." There is no upside to Brexit, so far there have been only considerable downsides. Despite troop rallying stories mentioned by the OP - our trajectory is heading in only one direction. Bizarrely, I can actually see One Nation Conservatism rising from the ashes of burned out Conservative Party after the next election and how ironic it would be to see intelligent Conservatives once again taking control of the Party. What would be the odds of the “New Conservatives” campaigning for a closer relationship with the EU in the 2029 election? | |||
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"Another great article which will appear in the Daily Express Kerni Badenoch has hit back at Brexit bores, naysayers and doom mongers insisting ' Global Britain is thriving ' The Businness Secretary fired a broadside at sceptics talking Britain down as she prepares to thrash out a multi - million pound trade deal with India . If successfull it will follow a flood of similar pacts that have cemented the UKs worldwide reputation as a lean and nimble country open for businness . And in a bullish memo to the doubters she told the Daily Express " Those voices of doom and gloom have been proved decisively wrong. Far from turning their backs on the UK , companies are queueing up to invest here . The UK is on the up and remains a country others want to deal with. Global Britain is here and thriving . It looks like anyone voting for Brexit has backed a winner Richard Tice seems to be somewhat alarmed at the possibility of this being another great giveaway by a Conservative Government more eager for a soundbyte than they are to do the right thing for the country. We are still somewhat humiliated by the vision of Australian newsreaders laughing out loud at how the British Goverment rolled over for a belly rub whilst hanging our farmers out to dry. Who or what will be sacrificed for an Indian trade deal? Let’s be brutally honest, they hold all the cards in this negotiation, so it will be interesting to see if British negotiators (or perhaps like Liz Truss, Badenoch will do it on her own without support or advice - who knows) can win some worthy concessions for the U.K. As others have said - the Express story is just another smoke and mirrors statement that means nothing until we see the merits of the Indian trade deal. With the loss of frictionless trade with our biggest and closest historical trading partners - we sure could do with some wins. Unfortunately, I just don’t trust this Government to act competently and in the best interest of the country anymore. Their track record is appalling - I just hope that this time, they do better." Brilliant post | |||
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" Last time I checked we continue to trade with Eirope , just on slightly different terms . " I run a small business that sells to the EU and around the world and also imports products. The terms are not "slightly different". They are massively different. Big increases in costs to import and then to customers if we export. And also big increases in time to delivery due to customs clearance. We find ourselves constantly apologising for delays and people will rarely order again. It really is a completely different world. You may think overall it is worth but please don't brush off the changes as slightly different. I can imagine the impact for larger companies must be huge. | |||
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" Last time I checked we continue to trade with Eirope , just on slightly different terms . I run a small business that sells to the EU and around the world and also imports products. The terms are not "slightly different". They are massively different. Big increases in costs to import and then to customers if we export. And also big increases in time to delivery due to customs clearance. We find ourselves constantly apologising for delays and people will rarely order again. It really is a completely different world. You may think overall it is worth but please don't brush off the changes as slightly different. I can imagine the impact for larger companies must be huge. " Shhhh! We don’t deal with facts from subject matter experts or those on the front line! Only unsubstantiated soundbites  | |||
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" Last time I checked we continue to trade with Eirope , just on slightly different terms . I run a small business that sells to the EU and around the world and also imports products. The terms are not "slightly different". They are massively different. Big increases in costs to import and then to customers if we export. And also big increases in time to delivery due to customs clearance. We find ourselves constantly apologising for delays and people will rarely order again. It really is a completely different world. You may think overall it is worth but please don't brush off the changes as slightly different. I can imagine the impact for larger companies must be huge. " How long are your delays? Are these delays due to the EU (whatever country you're going through) taking time to clear customs? I don't sell into the EU but I import a lot from China and can get packages in 3 days. Why would the EU take so much longer? | |||
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"Another great article which will appear in the Daily Express Kerni Badenoch has hit back at Brexit bores, naysayers and doom mongers insisting ' Global Britain is thriving ' The Businness Secretary fired a broadside at sceptics talking Britain down as she prepares to thrash out a multi - million pound trade deal with India . If successfull it will follow a flood of similar pacts that have cemented the UKs worldwide reputation as a lean and nimble country open for businness . And in a bullish memo to the doubters she told the Daily Express " Those voices of doom and gloom have been proved decisively wrong. Far from turning their backs on the UK , companies are queueing up to invest here . The UK is on the up and remains a country others want to deal with. Global Britain is here and thriving . It looks like anyone voting for Brexit has backed a winner " THAT IMBECILE conducting negotiations….we are now left with the WOOD shavings from the bottom of the barrel…. | |||
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" Last time I checked we continue to trade with Eirope , just on slightly different terms . I run a small business that sells to the EU and around the world and also imports products. The terms are not "slightly different". They are massively different. Big increases in costs to import and then to customers if we export. And also big increases in time to delivery due to customs clearance. We find ourselves constantly apologising for delays and people will rarely order again. It really is a completely different world. You may think overall it is worth but please don't brush off the changes as slightly different. I can imagine the impact for larger companies must be huge. How long are your delays? Are these delays due to the EU (whatever country you're going through) taking time to clear customs? I don't sell into the EU but I import a lot from China and can get packages in 3 days. Why would the EU take so much longer?" more likely wrong paperwork I collect and deliver international freight daily most go straight through if paperwork correct biggest problems we have is with other depot and export staff not getting job done french are useless at Charles de Gaulle and don't get me on with America | |||
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"I have many problems with Kemi Badenoch, most of which connect to the staggering levels of ironic hypocrisy she engages in. Seriously. She's the anti-immigration child of Nigerian immigrants and her name is *literally* "Bad Enoch". It's like if Labour, during their accusations of anti-semitism had had a minister called NaughtyAdolf... But enough irony, lets talk serious... A few weeks back Bad Enoch celebrated a glorious new Brexit benefit, joining the CPTPP trade bloc of 11 nations. Trouble is, we already had deals with 10 of them as members of the EU. Experts predict this will add 0.08% to our GDP. Leaving the EU cost us 4% of our GDP (Borat thumbs up) Great Success!" The IRONY-Enoch Powell foretold the “black man having the whip-hand over the white man….” and so far all they have done is turn on OTHER people of colour & ethicity while proclaiming their ‘Britishness’ | |||
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" Last time I checked we continue to trade with Eirope , just on slightly different terms . I run a small business that sells to the EU and around the world and also imports products. The terms are not "slightly different". They are massively different. Big increases in costs to import and then to customers if we export. And also big increases in time to delivery due to customs clearance. We find ourselves constantly apologising for delays and people will rarely order again. It really is a completely different world. You may think overall it is worth but please don't brush off the changes as slightly different. I can imagine the impact for larger companies must be huge. How long are your delays? Are these delays due to the EU (whatever country you're going through) taking time to clear customs? I don't sell into the EU but I import a lot from China and can get packages in 3 days. Why would the EU take so much longer?" For the reasons we warned about prior to the referendum. Rules of origin was always going to be a biggie. | |||
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"That went well.... You posted about an absurd article that was effectively an attempt by Jonathan Harmsworth to insert his tongue as far up Bad Enoch's fundament as possible, in hopes/expectation that she is to become the next Tory leader (understanding that the Sunak-puppet is about to lose the election or be deposed by his own party). Said article was so far divorced from reality that it qualifies as fantasy more than the entire combined works of JRR Tolkien, Robert Jordan and David Gemmell. What did expect? Did you expect everyone to jump up and own in gleeful celebration of Bad Enoch? Did you expect everyone to develop a sudden case of 13-years' amnesia? Smeesh." We’ve already had the year of ‘The Four Emperors’ so what can go right? | |||
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"Another great article which will appear in the Daily Express Kerni Badenoch has hit back at Brexit bores, naysayers and doom mongers insisting ' Global Britain is thriving ' The Businness Secretary fired a broadside at sceptics talking Britain down as she prepares to thrash out a multi - million pound trade deal with India . If successfull it will follow a flood of similar pacts that have cemented the UKs worldwide reputation as a lean and nimble country open for businness . And in a bullish memo to the doubters she told Daily Express " Those voices of doom and gloom have been proved decisively wrong. Far from turning their backs on the UK , companies are queueing up to invest here . The UK is on the up and remains a country others want to deal with. Global Britain is here and thriving . It looks like anyone voting for Brexit has backed a winner . Where does your 4% figure come from . It would appear that the date ranges were manipulated in order to obtain this figure. Last time I checked we continue to trade with Eirope , just on slightly different terms . Your remarks about Kerni Badenochs nationality are rather offensive and in any event both her nationality and ethnic background are irrelevant to her ability to do do the job. Why have you Reply+quote yourself? Are you now arguing with yourself? I will happily celebrate a free trade deal with India when it is concluded and we can actually see what the real tangible benefits are to the people of the UK. Like any trade deal there will be winners and losers but let’s hope for a net benefit for the UK as a whole." WHY do people think it will be ‘all right in the end….” If it looks like pig,walks like a pig,smells like a Pig ITS A PIG. | |||
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"Another great article which will appear in the Daily Express Kerni Badenoch has hit back at Brexit bores, naysayers and doom mongers insisting ' Global Britain is thriving ' The Businness Secretary fired a broadside at sceptics talking Britain down as she prepares to thrash out a multi - million pound trade deal with India . If successfull it will follow a flood of similar pacts that have cemented the UKs worldwide reputation as a lean and nimble country open for businness . And in a bullish memo to the doubters she told the Daily Express " Those voices of doom and gloom have been proved decisively wrong. Far from turning their backs on the UK , companies are queueing up to invest here . The UK is on the up and remains a country others want to deal with. Global Britain is here and thriving . It looks like anyone voting for Brexit has backed a winner Richard Tice seems to be somewhat alarmed at the possibility of this being another great giveaway by a Conservative Government more eager for a soundbyte than they are to do the right thing for the country. We are still somewhat humiliated by the vision of Australian newsreaders laughing out loud at how the British Goverment rolled over for a belly rub whilst hanging our farmers out to dry. Who or what will be sacrificed for an Indian trade deal? Let’s be brutally honest, they hold all the cards in this negotiation, so it will be interesting to see if British negotiators (or perhaps like Liz Truss, Badenoch will do it on her own without support or advice - who knows) can win some worthy concessions for the U.K. As others have said - the Express story is just another smoke and mirrors statement that means nothing until we see the merits of the Indian trade deal. With the loss of frictionless trade with our biggest and closest historical trading partners - we sure could do with some wins. Unfortunately, I just don’t trust this Government to act competently and in the best interest of the country anymore. Their track record is appalling - I just hope that this time, they do better." They WON’T. | |||
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" Last time I checked we continue to trade with Eirope , just on slightly different terms . I run a small business that sells to the EU and around the world and also imports products. The terms are not "slightly different". They are massively different. Big increases in costs to import and then to customers if we export. And also big increases in time to delivery due to customs clearance. We find ourselves constantly apologising for delays and people will rarely order again. It really is a completely different world. You may think overall it is worth but please don't brush off the changes as slightly different. I can imagine the impact for larger companies must be huge. How long are your delays? Are these delays due to the EU (whatever country you're going through) taking time to clear customs? I don't sell into the EU but I import a lot from China and can get packages in 3 days. Why would the EU take so much longer? For the reasons we warned about prior to the referendum. Rules of origin was always going to be a biggie." The ECHR is next….THEN Thatcherism will have achieved its purpose-rolling back EVERY benefit our forebears fought for from 1832….WELL DONE those Brexiteers! | |||
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" Last time I checked we continue to trade with Eirope , just on slightly different terms . I run a small business that sells to the EU and around the world and also imports products. The terms are not "slightly different". They are massively different. Big increases in costs to import and then to customers if we export. And also big increases in time to delivery due to customs clearance. We find ourselves constantly apologising for delays and people will rarely order again. It really is a completely different world. You may think overall it is worth but please don't brush off the changes as slightly different. I can imagine the impact for larger companies must be huge. How long are your delays? Are these delays due to the EU (whatever country you're going through) taking time to clear customs? I don't sell into the EU but I import a lot from China and can get packages in 3 days. Why would the EU take so much longer? For the reasons we warned about prior to the referendum. Rules of origin was always going to be a biggie." Don't rules of origin affect the products I bring in from China? | |||
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"Another great article which will appear in the Daily Express Kerni Badenoch has hit back at Brexit bores, naysayers and doom mongers insisting ' Global Britain is thriving ' The Businness Secretary fired a broadside at sceptics talking Britain down as she prepares to thrash out a multi - million pound trade deal with India . If successfull it will follow a flood of similar pacts that have cemented the UKs worldwide reputation as a lean and nimble country open for businness . And in a bullish memo to the doubters she told the Daily Express " Those voices of doom and gloom have been proved decisively wrong. Far from turning their backs on the UK , companies are queueing up to invest here . The UK is on the up and remains a country others want to deal with. Global Britain is here and thriving . It looks like anyone voting for Brexit has backed a winner " Of course, there’s not one person that doesn’t hope you’re right - but it is pretty clear Britain has slipped in its “Global” status and there is nothing to suggest that we are “thriving”, most of us finding it difficult in recent times. Sadly, this is also Badenoch saying it and the Daily Express reporting it; neither having a reputation for truth, honesty, or integrity. So, I’ll wait and see what people far more qualified than me say about this deal when it transpires and hope it is at least a step in the right direction. | |||
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"Another great article which will appear in the Daily Express Kerni Badenoch has hit back at Brexit bores, naysayers and doom mongers insisting ' Global Britain is thriving ' The Businness Secretary fired a broadside at sceptics talking Britain down as she prepares to thrash out a multi - million pound trade deal with India . If successfull it will follow a flood of similar pacts that have cemented the UKs worldwide reputation as a lean and nimble country open for businness . And in a bullish memo to the doubters she told the Daily Express " Those voices of doom and gloom have been proved decisively wrong. Far from turning their backs on the UK , companies are queueing up to invest here . The UK is on the up and remains a country others want to deal with. Global Britain is here and thriving . It looks like anyone voting for Brexit has backed a winner " Of course, there’s not one person that doesn’t hope you’re right - but it is pretty clear Britain has slipped in its “Global” status and there is nothing to suggest that we are “thriving”, most of us finding it difficult in recent times. Sadly, this is also Badenoch saying it and the Daily Express reporting it; neither having a reputation for truth, honesty, or integrity. So, I’ll wait and see what people far more qualified than me say about this deal when it transpires and hope it is at least a step in the right direction. | |||
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"Another great article which will appear in the Daily Express Kerni Badenoch has hit back at Brexit bores, naysayers and doom mongers insisting ' Global Britain is thriving ' The Businness Secretary fired a broadside at sceptics talking Britain down as she prepares to thrash out a multi - million pound trade deal with India . If successfull it will follow a flood of similar pacts that have cemented the UKs worldwide reputation as a lean and nimble country open for businness . And in a bullish memo to the doubters she told the Daily Express " Those voices of doom and gloom have been proved decisively wrong. Far from turning their backs on the UK , companies are queueing up to invest here . The UK is on the up and remains a country others want to deal with. Global Britain is here and thriving . It looks like anyone voting for Brexit has backed a winner " The BBC are also reporting the same story and surprisingly upbeat for them. It does seem though that the remaining things to negotiate are the hardest so I'm not expecting any thing soon. They was hoping for a deal to coincide with Sunak's visit next month but now looks unlikely. Apparently India are very fast growing and tipped to be the third or possibly second biggest economy in a couple of decades | |||
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"Another great article which will appear in the Daily Express Kerni Badenoch has hit back at Brexit bores, naysayers and doom mongers insisting ' Global Britain is thriving ' The Businness Secretary fired a broadside at sceptics talking Britain down as she prepares to thrash out a multi - million pound trade deal with India . If successfull it will follow a flood of similar pacts that have cemented the UKs worldwide reputation as a lean and nimble country open for businness . And in a bullish memo to the doubters she told the Daily Express " Those voices of doom and gloom have been proved decisively wrong. Far from turning their backs on the UK , companies are queueing up to invest here . The UK is on the up and remains a country others want to deal with. Global Britain is here and thriving . It looks like anyone voting for Brexit has backed a winner The BBC are also reporting the same story and surprisingly upbeat for them. It does seem though that the remaining things to negotiate are the hardest so I'm not expecting any thing soon. They was hoping for a deal to coincide with Sunak's visit next month but now looks unlikely. Apparently India are very fast growing and tipped to be the third or possibly second biggest economy in a couple of decades" I'm unsure how this trade deal will work with the ongoing BRICS conference. Unlikely to go down well with Russia | |||
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"Another great article which will appear in the Daily Express Kerni Badenoch has hit back at Brexit bores, naysayers and doom mongers insisting ' Global Britain is thriving ' The Businness Secretary fired a broadside at sceptics talking Britain down as she prepares to thrash out a multi - million pound trade deal with India . If successfull it will follow a flood of similar pacts that have cemented the UKs worldwide reputation as a lean and nimble country open for businness . And in a bullish memo to the doubters she told the Daily Express " Those voices of doom and gloom have been proved decisively wrong. Far from turning their backs on the UK , companies are queueing up to invest here . The UK is on the up and remains a country others want to deal with. Global Britain is here and thriving . It looks like anyone voting for Brexit has backed a winner The BBC are also reporting the same story and surprisingly upbeat for them. It does seem though that the remaining things to negotiate are the hardest so I'm not expecting any thing soon. They was hoping for a deal to coincide with Sunak's visit next month but now looks unlikely. Apparently India are very fast growing and tipped to be the third or possibly second biggest economy in a couple of decades I'm unsure how this trade deal will work with the ongoing BRICS conference. Unlikely to go down well with Russia " India was meant to take over the uk about a decade ago which wasn't helped by the weakness of the rupee. If India signs the deal. It'll be another thing some 1 in this forum was demonstrably wrong on... | |||
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" Last time I checked we continue to trade with Eirope , just on slightly different terms . I run a small business that sells to the EU and around the world and also imports products. The terms are not "slightly different". They are massively different. Big increases in costs to import and then to customers if we export. And also big increases in time to delivery due to customs clearance. We find ourselves constantly apologising for delays and people will rarely order again. It really is a completely different world. You may think overall it is worth but please don't brush off the changes as slightly different. I can imagine the impact for larger companies must be huge. How long are your delays? Are these delays due to the EU (whatever country you're going through) taking time to clear customs? I don't sell into the EU but I import a lot from China and can get packages in 3 days. Why would the EU take so much longer? For the reasons we warned about prior to the referendum. Rules of origin was always going to be a biggie. Don't rules of origin affect the products I bring in from China?" They never used to affect EU trade. Now they do. New paperwork. Not enough staff to deal with it. Myriad other factors. Like I said, this was all warned about pre-referendum, but we were told it was part of project fear. | |||
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" Last time I checked we continue to trade with Eirope , just on slightly different terms . I run a small business that sells to the EU and around the world and also imports products. The terms are not "slightly different". They are massively different. Big increases in costs to import and then to customers if we export. And also big increases in time to delivery due to customs clearance. We find ourselves constantly apologising for delays and people will rarely order again. It really is a completely different world. You may think overall it is worth but please don't brush off the changes as slightly different. I can imagine the impact for larger companies must be huge. How long are your delays? Are these delays due to the EU (whatever country you're going through) taking time to clear customs? I don't sell into the EU but I import a lot from China and can get packages in 3 days. Why would the EU take so much longer? For the reasons we warned about prior to the referendum. Rules of origin was always going to be a biggie. Don't rules of origin affect the products I bring in from China? They never used to affect EU trade. Now they do. New paperwork. Not enough staff to deal with it. Myriad other factors. Like I said, this was all warned about pre-referendum, but we were told it was part of project fear. " This has nothing to do with Brexit. It has everything to do with russian and primarily Chinese expansion | |||
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" Last time I checked we continue to trade with Europe , just on slightly different terms . I run a small business that sells to the EU and around the world and also imports products. The terms are not "slightly different". They are massively different. Big increases in costs to import and then to customers if we export. And also big increases in time to delivery due to customs clearance. We find ourselves constantly apologising for delays and people will rarely order again. It really is a completely different world. You may think overall it is worth but please don't brush off the changes as slightly different. I can imagine the impact for larger companies must be huge. How long are your delays? Are these delays due to the EU (whatever country you're going through) taking time to clear customs? I don't sell into the EU but I import a lot from China and can get packages in 3 days. Why would the EU take so much longer? For the reasons we warned about prior to the referendum. Rules of origin was always going to be a biggie. Don't rules of origin affect the products I bring in from China? They never used to affect EU trade. Now they do. New paperwork. Not enough staff to deal with it. Myriad other factors. Like I said, this was all warned about pre-referendum, but we were told it was part of project fear. " .Few of the predictions of the merchants of doom and gloom actually materialised . They were proved wrong time and time again. Any rational person can cope with a few extra bits of paperwork .We want the country to be a success so not only do we trade with the EU , we can now trade with other countries outside the EU on our terms. I do not see many hauliers complaining about the new procedures and processes . They are probably a net benefit to UK hauliers as less Continental hauliers will come here and compete against us . The issues we need to address are the energy crisis and the war in Ukraine . I do not see many many listed companies complaining about leaving the EU. They have simply amended their procedures and adapted to changing circumstances, On a simplistic basis we can now trade with other countries on terms agreed between both parties. We will no longer be bullied by the EU. | |||
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" Last time I checked we continue to trade with Eirope , just on slightly different terms . I run a small business that sells to the EU and around the world and also imports products. The terms are not "slightly different". They are massively different. Big increases in costs to import and then to customers if we export. And also big increases in time to delivery due to customs clearance. We find ourselves constantly apologising for delays and people will rarely order again. It really is a completely different world. You may think overall it is worth but please don't brush off the changes as slightly different. I can imagine the impact for larger companies must be huge. How long are your delays? Are these delays due to the EU (whatever country you're going through) taking time to clear customs? I don't sell into the EU but I import a lot from China and can get packages in 3 days. Why would the EU take so much longer? For the reasons we warned about prior to the referendum. Rules of origin was always going to be a biggie. Don't rules of origin affect the products I bring in from China? They never used to affect EU trade. Now they do. New paperwork. Not enough staff to deal with it. Myriad other factors. Like I said, this was all warned about pre-referendum, but we were told it was part of project fear. " That doesn't answer the question. Do rules of origin affect the stuff I import? | |||
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" Last time I checked we continue to trade with Eirope , just on slightly different terms . I run a small business that sells to the EU and around the world and also imports products. The terms are not "slightly different". They are massively different. Big increases in costs to import and then to customers if we export. And also big increases in time to delivery due to customs clearance. We find ourselves constantly apologising for delays and people will rarely order again. It really is a completely different world. You may think overall it is worth but please don't brush off the changes as slightly different. I can imagine the impact for larger companies must be huge. How long are your delays? Are these delays due to the EU (whatever country you're going through) taking time to clear customs? I don't sell into the EU but I import a lot from China and can get packages in 3 days. Why would the EU take so much longer? For the reasons we warned about prior to the referendum. Rules of origin was always going to be a biggie. Don't rules of origin affect the products I bring in from China? They never used to affect EU trade. Now they do. New paperwork. Not enough staff to deal with it. Myriad other factors. Like I said, this was all warned about pre-referendum, but we were told it was part of project fear. That doesn't answer the question. Do rules of origin affect the stuff I import?" Isn't this because the rules for exporting into the EU are different from exporting to the UK? | |||
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" Last time I checked we continue to trade with Europe , just on slightly different terms . I run a small business that sells to the EU and around the world and also imports products. The terms are not "slightly different". They are massively different. Big increases in costs to import and then to customers if we export. And also big increases in time to delivery due to customs clearance. We find ourselves constantly apologising for delays and people will rarely order again. It really is a completely different world. You may think overall it is worth but please don't brush off the changes as slightly different. I can imagine the impact for larger companies must be huge. How long are your delays? Are these delays due to the EU (whatever country you're going through) taking time to clear customs? I don't sell into the EU but I import a lot from China and can get packages in 3 days. Why would the EU take so much longer? For the reasons we warned about prior to the referendum. Rules of origin was always going to be a biggie. Don't rules of origin affect the products I bring in from China? They never used to affect EU trade. Now they do. New paperwork. Not enough staff to deal with it. Myriad other factors. Like I said, this was all warned about pre-referendum, but we were told it was part of project fear. .Few of the predictions of the merchants of doom and gloom actually materialised . They were proved wrong time and time again. Any rational person can cope with a few extra bits of paperwork .We want the country to be a success so not only do we trade with the EU , we can now trade with other countries outside the EU on our terms. I do not see many hauliers complaining about the new procedures and processes . They are probably a net benefit to UK hauliers as less Continental hauliers will come here and compete against us . The issues we need to address are the energy crisis and the war in Ukraine . I do not see many many listed companies complaining about leaving the EU. They have simply amended their procedures and adapted to changing circumstances, On a simplistic basis we can now trade with other countries on terms agreed between both parties. We will no longer be bullied by the EU. " Top trolling. Get this Pat. Small businesses and ordinary people are what make a country work. Your obsessive consumption (and sharing) of Murdoch's propaganda proves only one thing - it really is possible to make people believe anything if you tell them often enough. | |||
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". We will no longer be bullied by the EU. " If only we could be a part of the EU, then we'd be in a position of strength instead of being outside and subject to being "bullied" by them. | |||
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". We will no longer be bullied by the EU. If only we could be a part of the EU, then we'd be in a position of strength instead of being outside and subject to being "bullied" by them." Brexiters: “Poor little Bwitain being bullied by those big meanies in the EU!” Also Brexiters: “Global Britain is one of the richest and most powerful countries in the World and we can go toe-to-toe in any negotiations” | |||
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" Last time I checked we continue to trade with Europe , just on slightly different terms . I run a small business that sells to the EU and around the world and also imports products. The terms are not "slightly different". They are massively different. Big increases in costs to import and then to customers if we export. And also big increases in time to delivery due to customs clearance. We find ourselves constantly apologising for delays and people will rarely order again. It really is a completely different world. You may think overall it is worth but please don't brush off the changes as slightly different. I can imagine the impact for larger companies must be huge. How long are your delays? Are these delays due to the EU (whatever country you're going through) taking time to clear customs? I don't sell into the EU but I import a lot from China and can get packages in 3 days. Why would the EU take so much longer? For the reasons we warned about prior to the referendum. Rules of origin was always going to be a biggie. Don't rules of origin affect the products I bring in from China? They never used to affect EU trade. Now they do. New paperwork. Not enough staff to deal with it. Myriad other factors. Like I said, this was all warned about pre-referendum, but we were told it was part of project fear. .Few of the predictions of the merchants of doom and gloom actually materialised . They were proved wrong time and time again. Any rational person can cope with a few extra bits of paperwork .We want the country to be a success so not only do we trade with the EU , we can now trade with other countries outside the EU on our terms. I do not see many hauliers complaining about the new procedures and processes . They are probably a net benefit to UK hauliers as less Continental hauliers will come here and compete against us . The issues we need to address are the energy crisis and the war in Ukraine . I do not see many many listed companies complaining about leaving the EU. They have simply amended their procedures and adapted to changing circumstances, On a simplistic basis we can now trade with other countries on terms agreed between both parties. We will no longer be bullied by the EU. Top trolling. Get this Pat. Small businesses and ordinary people are what make a country work. Your obsessive consumption (and sharing) of Murdoch's propaganda proves only one thing - it really is possible to make people believe anything if you tell them often enough." THE BIG LIE….created by Josef Goebbels. | |||
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" Last time I checked we continue to trade with Europe , just on slightly different terms . I run a small business that sells to the EU and around the world and also imports products. The terms are not "slightly different". They are massively different. Big increases in costs to import and then to customers if we export. And also big increases in time to delivery due to customs clearance. We find ourselves constantly apologising for delays and people will rarely order again. It really is a completely different world. You may think overall it is worth but please don't brush off the changes as slightly different. I can imagine the impact for larger companies must be huge. How long are your delays? Are these delays due to the EU (whatever country you're going through) taking time to clear customs? I don't sell into the EU but I import a lot from China and can get packages in 3 days. Why would the EU take so much longer? For the reasons we warned about prior to the referendum. Rules of origin was always going to be a biggie. Don't rules of origin affect the products I bring in from China? They never used to affect EU trade. Now they do. New paperwork. Not enough staff to deal with it. Myriad other factors. Like I said, this was all warned about pre-referendum, but we were told it was part of project fear. .Few of the predictions of the merchants of doom and gloom actually materialised . They were proved wrong time and time again. Any rational person can cope with a few extra bits of paperwork .We want the country to be a success so not only do we trade with the EU , we can now trade with other countries outside the EU on our terms. I do not see many hauliers complaining about the new procedures and processes . They are probably a net benefit to UK hauliers as less Continental hauliers will come here and compete against us . The issues we need to address are the energy crisis and the war in Ukraine . I do not see many many listed companies complaining about leaving the EU. They have simply amended their procedures and adapted to changing circumstances, On a simplistic basis we can now trade with other countries on terms agreed between both parties. We will no longer be bullied by the EU. Top trolling. Get this Pat. Small businesses and ordinary people are what make a country work. Your obsessive consumption (and sharing) of Murdoch's propaganda proves only one thing - it really is possible to make people believe anything if you tell them often enough." . Maybe time for a reality check. Anyone can access the published accounts of PLCs and for other companies limited data is available free of charge. I do not see many hauliers complaining about leaving the EU , in the case of Continenal haulage it has probably helped them. In any event it would appear that my views align with the country as a whole . I supported the government that won the last four general elections and respect the result of the referendum. No one should have to apologise for believing in democracy. As far as I am aware the election results reflect the views of the ordinary working people to whom you refer. | |||
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"As far as I am aware the election results reflect the views of the ordinary working people to whom you refer. " Most people of working age, in-work, actually voted remain in 2016. Interesting bit of trivia, that. | |||
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"As far as I am aware the election results reflect the views of the ordinary working people to whom you refer. Most people of working age, in-work, actually voted remain in 2016. Interesting bit of trivia, that." It was the young unemployed and pensioners who got us out then.  | |||
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"As far as I am aware the election results reflect the views of the ordinary working people to whom you refer. Most people of working age, in-work, actually voted remain in 2016. Interesting bit of trivia, that. It was the young unemployed and pensioners who got us out then. "Indeed. What benefit do you reckon they’ll see for themselves? (The ones that haven’t died since 2016, obvs) | |||
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" Last time I checked we continue to trade with Eirope , just on slightly different terms . I run a small business that sells to the EU and around the world and also imports products. The terms are not "slightly different". They are massively different. Big increases in costs to import and then to customers if we export. And also big increases in time to delivery due to customs clearance. We find ourselves constantly apologising for delays and people will rarely order again. It really is a completely different world. You may think overall it is worth but please don't brush off the changes as slightly different. I can imagine the impact for larger companies must be huge. How long are your delays? Are these delays due to the EU (whatever country you're going through) taking time to clear customs? I don't sell into the EU but I import a lot from China and can get packages in 3 days. Why would the EU take so much longer? For the reasons we warned about prior to the referendum. Rules of origin was always going to be a biggie. Don't rules of origin affect the products I bring in from China? They never used to affect EU trade. Now they do. New paperwork. Not enough staff to deal with it. Myriad other factors. Like I said, this was all warned about pre-referendum, but we were told it was part of project fear. That doesn't answer the question. Do rules of origin affect the stuff I import? Isn't this because the rules for exporting into the EU are different from exporting to the UK?" They may well be but that still doesn't answer my question. Do the EU take rules of origin too far? Are the UK too lax on rules of origin? Do you actually know the answer? The person I asked has refused to answer it directly. | |||
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"Another great article which will appear in the Daily Express Kerni Badenoch has hit back at Brexit bores, naysayers and doom mongers insisting ' Global Britain is thriving ' The Businness Secretary fired a broadside at sceptics talking Britain down as she prepares to thrash out a multi - million pound trade deal with India . If successfull it will follow a flood of similar pacts that have cemented the UKs worldwide reputation as a lean and nimble country open for businness . And in a bullish memo to the doubters she told the Daily Express " Those voices of doom and gloom have been proved decisively wrong. Far from turning their backs on the UK , companies are queueing up to invest here . The UK is on the up and remains a country others want to deal with. Global Britain is here and thriving . It looks like anyone voting for Brexit has backed a winner " Yeah but ministers lie. | |||
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"That went well.... You posted about an absurd article that was effectively an attempt by Jonathan Harmsworth to insert his tongue as far up Bad Enoch's fundament as possible, in hopes/expectation that she is to become the next Tory leader (understanding that the Sunak-puppet is about to lose the election or be deposed by his own party). Said article was so far divorced from reality that it qualifies as fantasy more than the entire combined works of JRR Tolkien, Robert Jordan and David Gemmell. What did expect? Did you expect everyone to jump up and own in gleeful celebration of Bad Enoch? Did you expect everyone to develop a sudden case of 13-years' amnesia? Smeesh." ************************************* "What did I expect"?? I expected nothing in particular, I expected everything...... Why.... ? The truth is I post when I feel like posting, what I consider relevant to post and, believe me, I do not give a 'flying figurine' what anyone fires back at me. It's a matter of confidence and tempering certain subjects with my favourite surreal comedy, or levity, take your pick. I shall state one certainty, I could never take seriously anyone who admits to seemingly having more than a passing interest in 'works' of fantasy and incredibility such as Messrs. Tolkien, Jordan & Gemmell produced. (I expect they all had a junior readership in mind) | |||
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" Last time I checked we continue to trade with Eirope , just on slightly different terms . I run a small business that sells to the EU and around the world and also imports products. The terms are not "slightly different". They are massively different. Big increases in costs to import and then to customers if we export. And also big increases in time to delivery due to customs clearance. We find ourselves constantly apologising for delays and people will rarely order again. It really is a completely different world. You may think overall it is worth but please don't brush off the changes as slightly different. I can imagine the impact for larger companies must be huge. How long are your delays? Are these delays due to the EU (whatever country you're going through) taking time to clear customs? I don't sell into the EU but I import a lot from China and can get packages in 3 days. Why would the EU take so much longer? For the reasons we warned about prior to the referendum. Rules of origin was always going to be a biggie. Don't rules of origin affect the products I bring in from China? They never used to affect EU trade. Now they do. New paperwork. Not enough staff to deal with it. Myriad other factors. Like I said, this was all warned about pre-referendum, but we were told it was part of project fear. That doesn't answer the question. Do rules of origin affect the stuff I import? Isn't this because the rules for exporting into the EU are different from exporting to the UK? They may well be but that still doesn't answer my question. Do the EU take rules of origin too far? Are the UK too lax on rules of origin? Do you actually know the answer? The person I asked has refused to answer it directly. "What does it matter? The EU is big enough and powerful enough to dictate any rule that it wants and anyone who wants to export to that market will have to adhere to it. Our market is not big enough to dictate terms that are outliers from norms. Exporters will just not bother. This is probably the very reason the mat the U.K. is constantly pushing back the implementation of its own post-Brexit border regulations. As Jacob Rees-Mogg said “it will be an act of self harm to implement them when the border has not yet fully adopted to new outgoing regulations now required by the EU.” | |||
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"As Jacob Rees-Mogg said “it will be an act of self harm to implement them when the border has not yet fully adopted to new outgoing regulations now required by the EU.”" So is Jacob Rees-Mogg an expert on the effects of Brexit? Should I be looking up other things that he's said to determine whether Brexit will be a success? | |||
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" Last time I checked we continue to trade with Eirope , just on slightly different terms . I run a small business that sells to the EU and around the world and also imports products. The terms are not "slightly different". They are massively different. Big increases in costs to import and then to customers if we export. And also big increases in time to delivery due to customs clearance. We find ourselves constantly apologising for delays and people will rarely order again. It really is a completely different world. You may think overall it is worth but please don't brush off the changes as slightly different. I can imagine the impact for larger companies must be huge. How long are your delays? Are these delays due to the EU (whatever country you're going through) taking time to clear customs? I don't sell into the EU but I import a lot from China and can get packages in 3 days. Why would the EU take so much longer? For the reasons we warned about prior to the referendum. Rules of origin was always going to be a biggie. Don't rules of origin affect the products I bring in from China? They never used to affect EU trade. Now they do. New paperwork. Not enough staff to deal with it. Myriad other factors. Like I said, this was all warned about pre-referendum, but we were told it was part of project fear. That doesn't answer the question. Do rules of origin affect the stuff I import? Isn't this because the rules for exporting into the EU are different from exporting to the UK? They may well be but that still doesn't answer my question. Do the EU take rules of origin too far? Are the UK too lax on rules of origin? Do you actually know the answer? The person I asked has refused to answer it directly.
What does it matter?
The EU is big enough and powerful enough to dictate any rule that it wants and anyone who wants to export to that market will have to adhere to it.
Our market is not big enough to dictate terms that are outliers from norms. Exporters will just not bother. This is probably the very reason the mat the U.K. is constantly pushing back the implementation of its own post-Brexit border regulations.
As Jacob Rees-Mogg said “it will be an act of self harm to implement them when the border has not yet fully adopted to new outgoing regulations now required by the EU.”"Of course it matters. The reason for the supposed delays are 'rules of origin', I see no such delays coming in to the UK. If 'rules of origin' exist for products coming into the UK, why so? | |||
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" Last time I checked we continue to trade with Eirope , just on slightly different terms . I run a small business that sells to the EU and around the world and also imports products. The terms are not "slightly different". They are massively different. Big increases in costs to import and then to customers if we export. And also big increases in time to delivery due to customs clearance. We find ourselves constantly apologising for delays and people will rarely order again. It really is a completely different world. You may think overall it is worth but please don't brush off the changes as slightly different. I can imagine the impact for larger companies must be huge. How long are your delays? Are these delays due to the EU (whatever country you're going through) taking time to clear customs? I don't sell into the EU but I import a lot from China and can get packages in 3 days. Why would the EU take so much longer? For the reasons we warned about prior to the referendum. Rules of origin was always going to be a biggie. Don't rules of origin affect the products I bring in from China? They never used to affect EU trade. Now they do. New paperwork. Not enough staff to deal with it. Myriad other factors. Like I said, this was all warned about pre-referendum, but we were told it was part of project fear. That doesn't answer the question. Do rules of origin affect the stuff I import? Isn't this because the rules for exporting into the EU are different from exporting to the UK? They may well be but that still doesn't answer my question. Do the EU take rules of origin too far? Are the UK too lax on rules of origin? Do you actually know the answer? The person I asked has refused to answer it directly. "At the moment the UK isn't bothering checking things like that | |||
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" Last time I checked we continue to trade with Eirope , just on slightly different terms . I run a small business that sells to the EU and around the world and also imports products. The terms are not "slightly different". They are massively different. Big increases in costs to import and then to customers if we export. And also big increases in time to delivery due to customs clearance. We find ourselves constantly apologising for delays and people will rarely order again. It really is a completely different world. You may think overall it is worth but please don't brush off the changes as slightly different. I can imagine the impact for larger companies must be huge. How long are your delays? Are these delays due to the EU (whatever country you're going through) taking time to clear customs? I don't sell into the EU but I import a lot from China and can get packages in 3 days. Why would the EU take so much longer? For the reasons we warned about prior to the referendum. Rules of origin was always going to be a biggie. Don't rules of origin affect the products I bring in from China? They never used to affect EU trade. Now they do. New paperwork. Not enough staff to deal with it. Myriad other factors. Like I said, this was all warned about pre-referendum, but we were told it was part of project fear. That doesn't answer the question. Do rules of origin affect the stuff I import? Isn't this because the rules for exporting into the EU are different from exporting to the UK? They may well be but that still doesn't answer my question. Do the EU take rules of origin too far? Are the UK too lax on rules of origin? Do you actually know the answer? The person I asked has refused to answer it directly.
What does it matter?
The EU is big enough and powerful enough to dictate any rule that it wants and anyone who wants to export to that market will have to adhere to it.
Our market is not big enough to dictate terms that are outliers from norms. Exporters will just not bother. This is probably the very reason the mat the U.K. is constantly pushing back the implementation of its own post-Brexit border regulations.
As Jacob Rees-Mogg said “it will be an act of self harm to implement them when the border has not yet fully adopted to new outgoing regulations now required by the EU.”
Of course it matters. The reason for the supposed delays are 'rules of origin', I see no such delays coming in to the UK.
If 'rules of origin' exist for products coming into the UK, why so?"Provenance, it's a big thing in the food industry | |||
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" Last time I checked we continue to trade with Eirope , just on slightly different terms . I run a small business that sells to the EU and around the world and also imports products. The terms are not "slightly different". They are massively different. Big increases in costs to import and then to customers if we export. And also big increases in time to delivery due to customs clearance. We find ourselves constantly apologising for delays and people will rarely order again. It really is a completely different world. You may think overall it is worth but please don't brush off the changes as slightly different. I can imagine the impact for larger companies must be huge. How long are your delays? Are these delays due to the EU (whatever country you're going through) taking time to clear customs? I don't sell into the EU but I import a lot from China and can get packages in 3 days. Why would the EU take so much longer? For the reasons we warned about prior to the referendum. Rules of origin was always going to be a biggie. Don't rules of origin affect the products I bring in from China? They never used to affect EU trade. Now they do. New paperwork. Not enough staff to deal with it. Myriad other factors. Like I said, this was all warned about pre-referendum, but we were told it was part of project fear. That doesn't answer the question. Do rules of origin affect the stuff I import? Isn't this because the rules for exporting into the EU are different from exporting to the UK? They may well be but that still doesn't answer my question. Do the EU take rules of origin too far? Are the UK too lax on rules of origin? Do you actually know the answer? The person I asked has refused to answer it directly.
At the moment the UK isn't bothering checking things like that "They're not checking imports from the EU or the whole world? As far as I'm aware, our terms with China haven't changed. | |||
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" Last time I checked we continue to trade with Eirope , just on slightly different terms . I run a small business that sells to the EU and around the world and also imports products. The terms are not "slightly different". They are massively different. Big increases in costs to import and then to customers if we export. And also big increases in time to delivery due to customs clearance. We find ourselves constantly apologising for delays and people will rarely order again. It really is a completely different world. You may think overall it is worth but please don't brush off the changes as slightly different. I can imagine the impact for larger companies must be huge. How long are your delays? Are these delays due to the EU (whatever country you're going through) taking time to clear customs? I don't sell into the EU but I import a lot from China and can get packages in 3 days. Why would the EU take so much longer? For the reasons we warned about prior to the referendum. Rules of origin was always going to be a biggie. Don't rules of origin affect the products I bring in from China? They never used to affect EU trade. Now they do. New paperwork. Not enough staff to deal with it. Myriad other factors. Like I said, this was all warned about pre-referendum, but we were told it was part of project fear. That doesn't answer the question. Do rules of origin affect the stuff I import? Isn't this because the rules for exporting into the EU are different from exporting to the UK? They may well be but that still doesn't answer my question. Do the EU take rules of origin too far? Are the UK too lax on rules of origin? Do you actually know the answer? The person I asked has refused to answer it directly.
At the moment the UK isn't bothering checking things like that
They're not checking imports from the EU or the whole world? As far as I'm aware, our terms with China haven't changed.
"I think it's more to do with the increased amount of checks we should be doing and are not encouraging people to be more bold there was a report the other week on food not being fit for consumption getting through will have a look for it | |||
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" Last time I checked we continue to trade with Eirope , just on slightly different terms . I run a small business that sells to the EU and around the world and also imports products. The terms are not "slightly different". They are massively different. Big increases in costs to import and then to customers if we export. And also big increases in time to delivery due to customs clearance. We find ourselves constantly apologising for delays and people will rarely order again. It really is a completely different world. You may think overall it is worth but please don't brush off the changes as slightly different. I can imagine the impact for larger companies must be huge. How long are your delays? Are these delays due to the EU (whatever country you're going through) taking time to clear customs? I don't sell into the EU but I import a lot from China and can get packages in 3 days. Why would the EU take so much longer? For the reasons we warned about prior to the referendum. Rules of origin was always going to be a biggie. Don't rules of origin affect the products I bring in from China? They never used to affect EU trade. Now they do. New paperwork. Not enough staff to deal with it. Myriad other factors. Like I said, this was all warned about pre-referendum, but we were told it was part of project fear. That doesn't answer the question. Do rules of origin affect the stuff I import? Isn't this because the rules for exporting into the EU are different from exporting to the UK? They may well be but that still doesn't answer my question. Do the EU take rules of origin too far? Are the UK too lax on rules of origin? Do you actually know the answer? The person I asked has refused to answer it directly.
At the moment the UK isn't bothering checking things like that
They're not checking imports from the EU or the whole world? As far as I'm aware, our terms with China haven't changed.
I think it's more to do with the increased amount of checks we should be doing and are not encouraging people to be more bold there was a report the other week on food not being fit for consumption getting through will have a look for it "This is far away from the original question. The poster said he's had too many delays in shipping to the EU. I'm not seeing any delays coming in from China (I can receive in 3 days, always have been able to). Rules of origin were blamed for these delays but if I can't get an answer I'm gonna have to assume the delays are the fault of the EU. BTW, my EU counterparts can also get goods from China in 3 days, so I'm confused as to why UK-EU has such severe delays. | |||
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" Last time I checked we continue to trade with Eirope , just on slightly different terms . I run a small business that sells to the EU and around the world and also imports products. The terms are not "slightly different". They are massively different. Big increases in costs to import and then to customers if we export. And also big increases in time to delivery due to customs clearance. We find ourselves constantly apologising for delays and people will rarely order again. It really is a completely different world. You may think overall it is worth but please don't brush off the changes as slightly different. I can imagine the impact for larger companies must be huge. How long are your delays? Are these delays due to the EU (whatever country you're going through) taking time to clear customs? I don't sell into the EU but I import a lot from China and can get packages in 3 days. Why would the EU take so much longer? For the reasons we warned about prior to the referendum. Rules of origin was always going to be a biggie. Don't rules of origin affect the products I bring in from China? They never used to affect EU trade. Now they do. New paperwork. Not enough staff to deal with it. Myriad other factors. Like I said, this was all warned about pre-referendum, but we were told it was part of project fear. That doesn't answer the question. Do rules of origin affect the stuff I import? Isn't this because the rules for exporting into the EU are different from exporting to the UK? They may well be but that still doesn't answer my question. Do the EU take rules of origin too far? Are the UK too lax on rules of origin? Do you actually know the answer? The person I asked has refused to answer it directly.
At the moment the UK isn't bothering checking things like that
They're not checking imports from the EU or the whole world? As far as I'm aware, our terms with China haven't changed.
I think it's more to do with the increased amount of checks we should be doing and are not encouraging people to be more bold there was a report the other week on food not being fit for consumption getting through will have a look for it
This is far away from the original question.
The poster said he's had too many delays in shipping to the EU. I'm not seeing any delays coming in from China (I can receive in 3 days, always have been able to).
Rules of origin were blamed for these delays but if I can't get an answer I'm gonna have to assume the delays are the fault of the EU.
BTW, my EU counterparts can also get goods from China in 3 days, so I'm confused as to why UK-EU has such severe delays. "Because the people supposed to be doing the “paperwork” are too busy having arguments on internet forums?  | |||
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" Last time I checked we continue to trade with Eirope , just on slightly different terms . I run a small business that sells to the EU and around the world and also imports products. The terms are not "slightly different". They are massively different. Big increases in costs to import and then to customers if we export. And also big increases in time to delivery due to customs clearance. We find ourselves constantly apologising for delays and people will rarely order again. It really is a completely different world. You may think overall it is worth but please don't brush off the changes as slightly different. I can imagine the impact for larger companies must be huge. How long are your delays? Are these delays due to the EU (whatever country you're going through) taking time to clear customs? I don't sell into the EU but I import a lot from China and can get packages in 3 days. Why would the EU take so much longer? For the reasons we warned about prior to the referendum. Rules of origin was always going to be a biggie. Don't rules of origin affect the products I bring in from China? They never used to affect EU trade. Now they do. New paperwork. Not enough staff to deal with it. Myriad other factors. Like I said, this was all warned about pre-referendum, but we were told it was part of project fear. That doesn't answer the question. Do rules of origin affect the stuff I import? Isn't this because the rules for exporting into the EU are different from exporting to the UK? They may well be but that still doesn't answer my question. Do the EU take rules of origin too far? Are the UK too lax on rules of origin? Do you actually know the answer? The person I asked has refused to answer it directly.
At the moment the UK isn't bothering checking things like that
They're not checking imports from the EU or the whole world? As far as I'm aware, our terms with China haven't changed.
I think it's more to do with the increased amount of checks we should be doing and are not encouraging people to be more bold there was a report the other week on food not being fit for consumption getting through will have a look for it
This is far away from the original question.
The poster said he's had too many delays in shipping to the EU. I'm not seeing any delays coming in from China (I can receive in 3 days, always have been able to).
Rules of origin were blamed for these delays but if I can't get an answer I'm gonna have to assume the delays are the fault of the EU.
BTW, my EU counterparts can also get goods from China in 3 days, so I'm confused as to why UK-EU has such severe delays.
Because the people supposed to be doing the “paperwork” are too busy having arguments on internet forums? "That's a possibility. I'm only looking for some info because I don't personally sell into the EU but so far, not one person can give me an answer. Unfortunately, all I'm hearing is the 'rules of origin' and 'the reason we warned of' soundbites. | |||
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" Last time I checked we continue to trade with Eirope , just on slightly different terms . I run a small business that sells to the EU and around the world and also imports products. The terms are not "slightly different". They are massively different. Big increases in costs to import and then to customers if we export. And also big increases in time to delivery due to customs clearance. We find ourselves constantly apologising for delays and people will rarely order again. It really is a completely different world. You may think overall it is worth but please don't brush off the changes as slightly different. I can imagine the impact for larger companies must be huge. How long are your delays? Are these delays due to the EU (whatever country you're going through) taking time to clear customs? I don't sell into the EU but I import a lot from China and can get packages in 3 days. Why would the EU take so much longer? For the reasons we warned about prior to the referendum. Rules of origin was always going to be a biggie. Don't rules of origin affect the products I bring in from China? They never used to affect EU trade. Now they do. New paperwork. Not enough staff to deal with it. Myriad other factors. Like I said, this was all warned about pre-referendum, but we were told it was part of project fear. That doesn't answer the question. Do rules of origin affect the stuff I import? Isn't this because the rules for exporting into the EU are different from exporting to the UK? They may well be but that still doesn't answer my question. Do the EU take rules of origin too far? Are the UK too lax on rules of origin? Do you actually know the answer? The person I asked has refused to answer it directly.
At the moment the UK isn't bothering checking things like that
They're not checking imports from the EU or the whole world? As far as I'm aware, our terms with China haven't changed.
I think it's more to do with the increased amount of checks we should be doing and are not encouraging people to be more bold there was a report the other week on food not being fit for consumption getting through will have a look for it
This is far away from the original question.
The poster said he's had too many delays in shipping to the EU. I'm not seeing any delays coming in from China (I can receive in 3 days, always have been able to).
Rules of origin were blamed for these delays but if I can't get an answer I'm gonna have to assume the delays are the fault of the EU.
BTW, my EU counterparts can also get goods from China in 3 days, so I'm confused as to why UK-EU has such severe delays. "We didn't change our trading relationship with China. We did with the EU. | |||
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" Last time I checked we continue to trade with Eirope , just on slightly different terms . I run a small business that sells to the EU and around the world and also imports products. The terms are not "slightly different". They are massively different. Big increases in costs to import and then to customers if we export. And also big increases in time to delivery due to customs clearance. We find ourselves constantly apologising for delays and people will rarely order again. It really is a completely different world. You may think overall it is worth but please don't brush off the changes as slightly different. I can imagine the impact for larger companies must be huge. How long are your delays? Are these delays due to the EU (whatever country you're going through) taking time to clear customs? I don't sell into the EU but I import a lot from China and can get packages in 3 days. Why would the EU take so much longer? For the reasons we warned about prior to the referendum. Rules of origin was always going to be a biggie. Don't rules of origin affect the products I bring in from China? They never used to affect EU trade. Now they do. New paperwork. Not enough staff to deal with it. Myriad other factors. Like I said, this was all warned about pre-referendum, but we were told it was part of project fear. That doesn't answer the question. Do rules of origin affect the stuff I import? Isn't this because the rules for exporting into the EU are different from exporting to the UK? They may well be but that still doesn't answer my question. Do the EU take rules of origin too far? Are the UK too lax on rules of origin? Do you actually know the answer? The person I asked has refused to answer it directly.
At the moment the UK isn't bothering checking things like that
They're not checking imports from the EU or the whole world? As far as I'm aware, our terms with China haven't changed.
I think it's more to do with the increased amount of checks we should be doing and are not encouraging people to be more bold there was a report the other week on food not being fit for consumption getting through will have a look for it
This is far away from the original question.
The poster said he's had too many delays in shipping to the EU. I'm not seeing any delays coming in from China (I can receive in 3 days, always have been able to).
Rules of origin were blamed for these delays but if I can't get an answer I'm gonna have to assume the delays are the fault of the EU.
BTW, my EU counterparts can also get goods from China in 3 days, so I'm confused as to why UK-EU has such severe delays.
We didn't change our trading relationship with China. We did with the EU. "It doesn't matter that we changed our relationship. If rules of origin are to blame, why aren't they a problem from anywhere else in the world? And why are they not a problem China- EU? They are really simple questions. | |||
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" Last time I checked we continue to trade with Eirope , just on slightly different terms . I run a small business that sells to the EU and around the world and also imports products. The terms are not "slightly different". They are massively different. Big increases in costs to import and then to customers if we export. And also big increases in time to delivery due to customs clearance. We find ourselves constantly apologising for delays and people will rarely order again. It really is a completely different world. You may think overall it is worth but please don't brush off the changes as slightly different. I can imagine the impact for larger companies must be huge. How long are your delays? Are these delays due to the EU (whatever country you're going through) taking time to clear customs? I don't sell into the EU but I import a lot from China and can get packages in 3 days. Why would the EU take so much longer? For the reasons we warned about prior to the referendum. Rules of origin was always going to be a biggie. Don't rules of origin affect the products I bring in from China? They never used to affect EU trade. Now they do. New paperwork. Not enough staff to deal with it. Myriad other factors. Like I said, this was all warned about pre-referendum, but we were told it was part of project fear. That doesn't answer the question. Do rules of origin affect the stuff I import? Isn't this because the rules for exporting into the EU are different from exporting to the UK? They may well be but that still doesn't answer my question. Do the EU take rules of origin too far? Are the UK too lax on rules of origin? Do you actually know the answer? The person I asked has refused to answer it directly.
At the moment the UK isn't bothering checking things like that
They're not checking imports from the EU or the whole world? As far as I'm aware, our terms with China haven't changed.
I think it's more to do with the increased amount of checks we should be doing and are not encouraging people to be more bold there was a report the other week on food not being fit for consumption getting through will have a look for it
This is far away from the original question.
The poster said he's had too many delays in shipping to the EU. I'm not seeing any delays coming in from China (I can receive in 3 days, always have been able to).
Rules of origin were blamed for these delays but if I can't get an answer I'm gonna have to assume the delays are the fault of the EU.
BTW, my EU counterparts can also get goods from China in 3 days, so I'm confused as to why UK-EU has such severe delays.
We didn't change our trading relationship with China. We did with the EU.
It doesn't matter that we changed our relationship.
If rules of origin are to blame, why aren't they a problem from anywhere else in the world?
And why are they not a problem China- EU?
They are really simple questions."Has china changed its trading relationship with the EU in the last 5 years to subject itself to new rules? Did we have problems of this kind prior to Brexit and changing the rules? | |||
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" Last time I checked we continue to trade with Eirope , just on slightly different terms . I run a small business that sells to the EU and around the world and also imports products. The terms are not "slightly different". They are massively different. Big increases in costs to import and then to customers if we export. And also big increases in time to delivery due to customs clearance. We find ourselves constantly apologising for delays and people will rarely order again. It really is a completely different world. You may think overall it is worth but please don't brush off the changes as slightly different. I can imagine the impact for larger companies must be huge. How long are your delays? Are these delays due to the EU (whatever country you're going through) taking time to clear customs? I don't sell into the EU but I import a lot from China and can get packages in 3 days. Why would the EU take so much longer? For the reasons we warned about prior to the referendum. Rules of origin was always going to be a biggie. Don't rules of origin affect the products I bring in from China? They never used to affect EU trade. Now they do. New paperwork. Not enough staff to deal with it. Myriad other factors. Like I said, this was all warned about pre-referendum, but we were told it was part of project fear. That doesn't answer the question. Do rules of origin affect the stuff I import? Isn't this because the rules for exporting into the EU are different from exporting to the UK? They may well be but that still doesn't answer my question. Do the EU take rules of origin too far? Are the UK too lax on rules of origin? Do you actually know the answer? The person I asked has refused to answer it directly.
At the moment the UK isn't bothering checking things like that
They're not checking imports from the EU or the whole world? As far as I'm aware, our terms with China haven't changed.
I think it's more to do with the increased amount of checks we should be doing and are not encouraging people to be more bold there was a report the other week on food not being fit for consumption getting through will have a look for it
This is far away from the original question.
The poster said he's had too many delays in shipping to the EU. I'm not seeing any delays coming in from China (I can receive in 3 days, always have been able to).
Rules of origin were blamed for these delays but if I can't get an answer I'm gonna have to assume the delays are the fault of the EU.
BTW, my EU counterparts can also get goods from China in 3 days, so I'm confused as to why UK-EU has such severe delays.
We didn't change our trading relationship with China. We did with the EU.
It doesn't matter that we changed our relationship.
If rules of origin are to blame, why aren't they a problem from anywhere else in the world?
And why are they not a problem China- EU?
They are really simple questions.
Has china changed its trading relationship with the EU in the last 5 years to subject itself to new rules?
Did we have problems of this kind prior to Brexit and changing the rules?"You're either not getting it or are purposely refusing to answer because you know it'll make the rules of origin argument look silly. The UK does not have a FTA with China, the UK does have a FTA with EU. Shouldn't it actually be easier to trade with EU? | |||
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" Last time I checked we continue to trade with Eirope , just on slightly different terms . I run a small business that sells to the EU and around the world and also imports products. The terms are not "slightly different". They are massively different. Big increases in costs to import and then to customers if we export. And also big increases in time to delivery due to customs clearance. We find ourselves constantly apologising for delays and people will rarely order again. It really is a completely different world. You may think overall it is worth but please don't brush off the changes as slightly different. I can imagine the impact for larger companies must be huge. How long are your delays? Are these delays due to the EU (whatever country you're going through) taking time to clear customs? I don't sell into the EU but I import a lot from China and can get packages in 3 days. Why would the EU take so much longer? For the reasons we warned about prior to the referendum. Rules of origin was always going to be a biggie. Don't rules of origin affect the products I bring in from China? They never used to affect EU trade. Now they do. New paperwork. Not enough staff to deal with it. Myriad other factors. Like I said, this was all warned about pre-referendum, but we were told it was part of project fear. That doesn't answer the question. Do rules of origin affect the stuff I import? Isn't this because the rules for exporting into the EU are different from exporting to the UK? They may well be but that still doesn't answer my question. Do the EU take rules of origin too far? Are the UK too lax on rules of origin? Do you actually know the answer? The person I asked has refused to answer it directly.
At the moment the UK isn't bothering checking things like that
They're not checking imports from the EU or the whole world? As far as I'm aware, our terms with China haven't changed.
I think it's more to do with the increased amount of checks we should be doing and are not encouraging people to be more bold there was a report the other week on food not being fit for consumption getting through will have a look for it
This is far away from the original question.
The poster said he's had too many delays in shipping to the EU. I'm not seeing any delays coming in from China (I can receive in 3 days, always have been able to).
Rules of origin were blamed for these delays but if I can't get an answer I'm gonna have to assume the delays are the fault of the EU.
BTW, my EU counterparts can also get goods from China in 3 days, so I'm confused as to why UK-EU has such severe delays.
We didn't change our trading relationship with China. We did with the EU.
It doesn't matter that we changed our relationship.
If rules of origin are to blame, why aren't they a problem from anywhere else in the world?
And why are they not a problem China- EU?
They are really simple questions.
Has china changed its trading relationship with the EU in the last 5 years to subject itself to new rules?
Did we have problems of this kind prior to Brexit and changing the rules?
You're either not getting it or are purposely refusing to answer because you know it'll make the rules of origin argument look silly.
The UK does not have a FTA with China, the UK does have a FTA with EU.
Shouldn't it actually be easier to trade with EU?"You haven't answered my questions. The EU obviously values standards more highly than China But as I said earlier we knew what we were signing up for and we got it. Why did these problems not exist prior to Brexit? You haven't answered that | |||
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" Last time I checked we continue to trade with Eirope , just on slightly different terms . I run a small business that sells to the EU and around the world and also imports products. The terms are not "slightly different". They are massively different. Big increases in costs to import and then to customers if we export. And also big increases in time to delivery due to customs clearance. We find ourselves constantly apologising for delays and people will rarely order again. It really is a completely different world. You may think overall it is worth but please don't brush off the changes as slightly different. I can imagine the impact for larger companies must be huge. How long are your delays? Are these delays due to the EU (whatever country you're going through) taking time to clear customs? I don't sell into the EU but I import a lot from China and can get packages in 3 days. Why would the EU take so much longer? For the reasons we warned about prior to the referendum. Rules of origin was always going to be a biggie. Don't rules of origin affect the products I bring in from China? They never used to affect EU trade. Now they do. New paperwork. Not enough staff to deal with it. Myriad other factors. Like I said, this was all warned about pre-referendum, but we were told it was part of project fear. That doesn't answer the question. Do rules of origin affect the stuff I import? Isn't this because the rules for exporting into the EU are different from exporting to the UK? They may well be but that still doesn't answer my question. Do the EU take rules of origin too far? Are the UK too lax on rules of origin? Do you actually know the answer? The person I asked has refused to answer it directly.
At the moment the UK isn't bothering checking things like that
They're not checking imports from the EU or the whole world? As far as I'm aware, our terms with China haven't changed.
I think it's more to do with the increased amount of checks we should be doing and are not encouraging people to be more bold there was a report the other week on food not being fit for consumption getting through will have a look for it
This is far away from the original question.
The poster said he's had too many delays in shipping to the EU. I'm not seeing any delays coming in from China (I can receive in 3 days, always have been able to).
Rules of origin were blamed for these delays but if I can't get an answer I'm gonna have to assume the delays are the fault of the EU.
BTW, my EU counterparts can also get goods from China in 3 days, so I'm confused as to why UK-EU has such severe delays.
We didn't change our trading relationship with China. We did with the EU.
It doesn't matter that we changed our relationship.
If rules of origin are to blame, why aren't they a problem from anywhere else in the world?
And why are they not a problem China- EU?
They are really simple questions.
Has china changed its trading relationship with the EU in the last 5 years to subject itself to new rules?
Did we have problems of this kind prior to Brexit and changing the rules?
You're either not getting it or are purposely refusing to answer because you know it'll make the rules of origin argument look silly.
The UK does not have a FTA with China, the UK does have a FTA with EU.
Shouldn't it actually be easier to trade with EU?
You haven't answered my questions.
The EU obviously values standards more highly than China But as I said earlier we knew what we were signing up for and we got it.
Why did these problems not exist prior to Brexit? You haven't answered that
"I can't answer the question because that's what I'm trying to find out... EU valuing standards higher than China has nothing to do with it. I'm asking about goods coming from China, not going to China. How can the UK and the EU receive goods from China in 3 days? The poster I asked the original question too hasn't been back to tell us how long the delays he is having are but sounds like weeks seeing as he's having to refund people. | |||
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" Last time I checked we continue to trade with Eirope , just on slightly different terms . I run a small business that sells to the EU and around the world and also imports products. The terms are not "slightly different". They are massively different. Big increases in costs to import and then to customers if we export. And also big increases in time to delivery due to customs clearance. We find ourselves constantly apologising for delays and people will rarely order again. It really is a completely different world. You may think overall it is worth but please don't brush off the changes as slightly different. I can imagine the impact for larger companies must be huge. How long are your delays? Are these delays due to the EU (whatever country you're going through) taking time to clear customs? I don't sell into the EU but I import a lot from China and can get packages in 3 days. Why would the EU take so much longer? For the reasons we warned about prior to the referendum. Rules of origin was always going to be a biggie. Don't rules of origin affect the products I bring in from China? They never used to affect EU trade. Now they do. New paperwork. Not enough staff to deal with it. Myriad other factors. Like I said, this was all warned about pre-referendum, but we were told it was part of project fear. That doesn't answer the question. Do rules of origin affect the stuff I import? Isn't this because the rules for exporting into the EU are different from exporting to the UK? They may well be but that still doesn't answer my question. Do the EU take rules of origin too far? Are the UK too lax on rules of origin? Do you actually know the answer? The person I asked has refused to answer it directly.
At the moment the UK isn't bothering checking things like that
They're not checking imports from the EU or the whole world? As far as I'm aware, our terms with China haven't changed.
I think it's more to do with the increased amount of checks we should be doing and are not encouraging people to be more bold there was a report the other week on food not being fit for consumption getting through will have a look for it
This is far away from the original question.
The poster said he's had too many delays in shipping to the EU. I'm not seeing any delays coming in from China (I can receive in 3 days, always have been able to).
Rules of origin were blamed for these delays but if I can't get an answer I'm gonna have to assume the delays are the fault of the EU.
BTW, my EU counterparts can also get goods from China in 3 days, so I'm confused as to why UK-EU has such severe delays.
We didn't change our trading relationship with China. We did with the EU.
It doesn't matter that we changed our relationship.
If rules of origin are to blame, why aren't they a problem from anywhere else in the world?
And why are they not a problem China- EU?
They are really simple questions.
Has china changed its trading relationship with the EU in the last 5 years to subject itself to new rules?
Did we have problems of this kind prior to Brexit and changing the rules?
You're either not getting it or are purposely refusing to answer because you know it'll make the rules of origin argument look silly.
The UK does not have a FTA with China, the UK does have a FTA with EU.
Shouldn't it actually be easier to trade with EU?
You haven't answered my questions.
The EU obviously values standards more highly than China But as I said earlier we knew what we were signing up for and we got it.
Why did these problems not exist prior to Brexit? You haven't answered that
I can't answer the question because that's what I'm trying to find out...
EU valuing standards higher than China has nothing to do with it. I'm asking about goods coming from China, not going to China.
How can the UK and the EU receive goods from China in 3 days?
The poster I asked the original question too hasn't been back to tell us how long the delays he is having are but sounds like weeks seeing as he's having to refund people. "You can't answer but have assumed it's the EUs fault? | |||
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" Last time I checked we continue to trade with Eirope , just on slightly different terms . I run a small business that sells to the EU and around the world and also imports products. The terms are not "slightly different". They are massively different. Big increases in costs to import and then to customers if we export. And also big increases in time to delivery due to customs clearance. We find ourselves constantly apologising for delays and people will rarely order again. It really is a completely different world. You may think overall it is worth but please don't brush off the changes as slightly different. I can imagine the impact for larger companies must be huge. How long are your delays? Are these delays due to the EU (whatever country you're going through) taking time to clear customs? I don't sell into the EU but I import a lot from China and can get packages in 3 days. Why would the EU take so much longer? For the reasons we warned about prior to the referendum. Rules of origin was always going to be a biggie. Don't rules of origin affect the products I bring in from China? They never used to affect EU trade. Now they do. New paperwork. Not enough staff to deal with it. Myriad other factors. Like I said, this was all warned about pre-referendum, but we were told it was part of project fear. That doesn't answer the question. Do rules of origin affect the stuff I import? Isn't this because the rules for exporting into the EU are different from exporting to the UK? They may well be but that still doesn't answer my question. Do the EU take rules of origin too far? Are the UK too lax on rules of origin? Do you actually know the answer? The person I asked has refused to answer it directly.
At the moment the UK isn't bothering checking things like that
They're not checking imports from the EU or the whole world? As far as I'm aware, our terms with China haven't changed.
I think it's more to do with the increased amount of checks we should be doing and are not encouraging people to be more bold there was a report the other week on food not being fit for consumption getting through will have a look for it
This is far away from the original question.
The poster said he's had too many delays in shipping to the EU. I'm not seeing any delays coming in from China (I can receive in 3 days, always have been able to).
Rules of origin were blamed for these delays but if I can't get an answer I'm gonna have to assume the delays are the fault of the EU.
BTW, my EU counterparts can also get goods from China in 3 days, so I'm confused as to why UK-EU has such severe delays.
We didn't change our trading relationship with China. We did with the EU.
It doesn't matter that we changed our relationship.
If rules of origin are to blame, why aren't they a problem from anywhere else in the world?
And why are they not a problem China- EU?
They are really simple questions.
Has china changed its trading relationship with the EU in the last 5 years to subject itself to new rules?
Did we have problems of this kind prior to Brexit and changing the rules?
You're either not getting it or are purposely refusing to answer because you know it'll make the rules of origin argument look silly.
The UK does not have a FTA with China, the UK does have a FTA with EU.
Shouldn't it actually be easier to trade with EU?
You haven't answered my questions.
The EU obviously values standards more highly than China But as I said earlier we knew what we were signing up for and we got it.
Why did these problems not exist prior to Brexit? You haven't answered that
I can't answer the question because that's what I'm trying to find out...
EU valuing standards higher than China has nothing to do with it. I'm asking about goods coming from China, not going to China.
How can the UK and the EU receive goods from China in 3 days?
The poster I asked the original question too hasn't been back to tell us how long the delays he is having are but sounds like weeks seeing as he's having to refund people.
You can't answer but have assumed it's the EUs fault?"Fucking hell bro, I said if no one can help then I'll have to assume. Why? Because its no problem from anywhere else in the world and has been a problem with the EU since Brexit. That's a really easy conclusion to come to. You know its often said round here that we all need to 'stop pretending Brexit is good', the same could be said for 'stop blaming everything on Brexit'. Here I am actually trying to learn about the actual reason rather than soundbites and I get offered absolutely fucking nothing, and people why Brexit voters laugh at them. | |||
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" Last time I checked we continue to trade with Eirope , just on slightly different terms . I run a small business that sells to the EU and around the world and also imports products. The terms are not "slightly different". They are massively different. Big increases in costs to import and then to customers if we export. And also big increases in time to delivery due to customs clearance. We find ourselves constantly apologising for delays and people will rarely order again. It really is a completely different world. You may think overall it is worth but please don't brush off the changes as slightly different. I can imagine the impact for larger companies must be huge. How long are your delays? Are these delays due to the EU (whatever country you're going through) taking time to clear customs? I don't sell into the EU but I import a lot from China and can get packages in 3 days. Why would the EU take so much longer? For the reasons we warned about prior to the referendum. Rules of origin was always going to be a biggie. Don't rules of origin affect the products I bring in from China? They never used to affect EU trade. Now they do. New paperwork. Not enough staff to deal with it. Myriad other factors. Like I said, this was all warned about pre-referendum, but we were told it was part of project fear. That doesn't answer the question. Do rules of origin affect the stuff I import? Isn't this because the rules for exporting into the EU are different from exporting to the UK? They may well be but that still doesn't answer my question. Do the EU take rules of origin too far? Are the UK too lax on rules of origin? Do you actually know the answer? The person I asked has refused to answer it directly.
At the moment the UK isn't bothering checking things like that
They're not checking imports from the EU or the whole world? As far as I'm aware, our terms with China haven't changed.
I think it's more to do with the increased amount of checks we should be doing and are not encouraging people to be more bold there was a report the other week on food not being fit for consumption getting through will have a look for it
This is far away from the original question.
The poster said he's had too many delays in shipping to the EU. I'm not seeing any delays coming in from China (I can receive in 3 days, always have been able to).
Rules of origin were blamed for these delays but if I can't get an answer I'm gonna have to assume the delays are the fault of the EU.
BTW, my EU counterparts can also get goods from China in 3 days, so I'm confused as to why UK-EU has such severe delays.
We didn't change our trading relationship with China. We did with the EU.
It doesn't matter that we changed our relationship.
If rules of origin are to blame, why aren't they a problem from anywhere else in the world?
And why are they not a problem China- EU?
They are really simple questions.
Has china changed its trading relationship with the EU in the last 5 years to subject itself to new rules?
Did we have problems of this kind prior to Brexit and changing the rules?
You're either not getting it or are purposely refusing to answer because you know it'll make the rules of origin argument look silly.
The UK does not have a FTA with China, the UK does have a FTA with EU.
Shouldn't it actually be easier to trade with EU?
You haven't answered my questions.
The EU obviously values standards more highly than China But as I said earlier we knew what we were signing up for and we got it.
Why did these problems not exist prior to Brexit? You haven't answered that
I can't answer the question because that's what I'm trying to find out...
EU valuing standards higher than China has nothing to do with it. I'm asking about goods coming from China, not going to China.
How can the UK and the EU receive goods from China in 3 days?
The poster I asked the original question too hasn't been back to tell us how long the delays he is having are but sounds like weeks seeing as he's having to refund people.
You can't answer but have assumed it's the EUs fault?
Fucking hell bro, I said if no one can help then I'll have to assume. Why? Because its no problem from anywhere else in the world and has been a problem with the EU since Brexit. That's a really easy conclusion to come to.
You know its often said round here that we all need to 'stop pretending Brexit is good', the same could be said for 'stop blaming everything on Brexit'.
Here I am actually trying to learn about the actual reason rather than soundbites and I get offered absolutely fucking nothing, and people why Brexit voters laugh at them."You've come to a swingers forum to learn about international trade? | |||
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" Last time I checked we continue to trade with Eirope , just on slightly different terms . I run a small business that sells to the EU and around the world and also imports products. The terms are not "slightly different". They are massively different. Big increases in costs to import and then to customers if we export. And also big increases in time to delivery due to customs clearance. We find ourselves constantly apologising for delays and people will rarely order again. It really is a completely different world. You may think overall it is worth but please don't brush off the changes as slightly different. I can imagine the impact for larger companies must be huge. How long are your delays? Are these delays due to the EU (whatever country you're going through) taking time to clear customs? I don't sell into the EU but I import a lot from China and can get packages in 3 days. Why would the EU take so much longer? For the reasons we warned about prior to the referendum. Rules of origin was always going to be a biggie. Don't rules of origin affect the products I bring in from China? They never used to affect EU trade. Now they do. New paperwork. Not enough staff to deal with it. Myriad other factors. Like I said, this was all warned about pre-referendum, but we were told it was part of project fear. That doesn't answer the question. Do rules of origin affect the stuff I import? Isn't this because the rules for exporting into the EU are different from exporting to the UK? They may well be but that still doesn't answer my question. Do the EU take rules of origin too far? Are the UK too lax on rules of origin? Do you actually know the answer? The person I asked has refused to answer it directly.
At the moment the UK isn't bothering checking things like that
They're not checking imports from the EU or the whole world? As far as I'm aware, our terms with China haven't changed.
I think it's more to do with the increased amount of checks we should be doing and are not encouraging people to be more bold there was a report the other week on food not being fit for consumption getting through will have a look for it
This is far away from the original question.
The poster said he's had too many delays in shipping to the EU. I'm not seeing any delays coming in from China (I can receive in 3 days, always have been able to).
Rules of origin were blamed for these delays but if I can't get an answer I'm gonna have to assume the delays are the fault of the EU.
BTW, my EU counterparts can also get goods from China in 3 days, so I'm confused as to why UK-EU has such severe delays.
We didn't change our trading relationship with China. We did with the EU.
It doesn't matter that we changed our relationship.
If rules of origin are to blame, why aren't they a problem from anywhere else in the world?
And why are they not a problem China- EU?
They are really simple questions.
Has china changed its trading relationship with the EU in the last 5 years to subject itself to new rules?
Did we have problems of this kind prior to Brexit and changing the rules?
You're either not getting it or are purposely refusing to answer because you know it'll make the rules of origin argument look silly.
The UK does not have a FTA with China, the UK does have a FTA with EU.
Shouldn't it actually be easier to trade with EU?
You haven't answered my questions.
The EU obviously values standards more highly than China But as I said earlier we knew what we were signing up for and we got it.
Why did these problems not exist prior to Brexit? You haven't answered that
I can't answer the question because that's what I'm trying to find out...
EU valuing standards higher than China has nothing to do with it. I'm asking about goods coming from China, not going to China.
How can the UK and the EU receive goods from China in 3 days?
The poster I asked the original question too hasn't been back to tell us how long the delays he is having are but sounds like weeks seeing as he's having to refund people.
You can't answer but have assumed it's the EUs fault?
Fucking hell bro, I said if no one can help then I'll have to assume. Why? Because its no problem from anywhere else in the world and has been a problem with the EU since Brexit. That's a really easy conclusion to come to.
You know its often said round here that we all need to 'stop pretending Brexit is good', the same could be said for 'stop blaming everything on Brexit'.
Here I am actually trying to learn about the actual reason rather than soundbites and I get offered absolutely fucking nothing, and people why Brexit voters laugh at them.
You've come to a swingers forum to learn about international trade?"I asked someone who said they had delays a question... Is that not allowed? Why don't we just scrap the politics forum? Why are you here? Just to troll? Maybe to have discussions? Maybe learn a thing or two? Maybe just to shout 'Brexit is the devil'? Get a grip mate, as I said before, either you can't answer or don't want to because it'll ruin your argument, that how most of you behave. And stay out of my DMs please, let's keep it here where its public. | |||
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" Last time I checked we continue to trade with Eirope , just on slightly different terms . I run a small business that sells to the EU and around the world and also imports products. The terms are not "slightly different". They are massively different. Big increases in costs to import and then to customers if we export. And also big increases in time to delivery due to customs clearance. We find ourselves constantly apologising for delays and people will rarely order again. It really is a completely different world. You may think overall it is worth but please don't brush off the changes as slightly different. I can imagine the impact for larger companies must be huge. How long are your delays? Are these delays due to the EU (whatever country you're going through) taking time to clear customs? I don't sell into the EU but I import a lot from China and can get packages in 3 days. Why would the EU take so much longer? For the reasons we warned about prior to the referendum. Rules of origin was always going to be a biggie. Don't rules of origin affect the products I bring in from China? They never used to affect EU trade. Now they do. New paperwork. Not enough staff to deal with it. Myriad other factors. Like I said, this was all warned about pre-referendum, but we were told it was part of project fear. That doesn't answer the question. Do rules of origin affect the stuff I import? Isn't this because the rules for exporting into the EU are different from exporting to the UK? They may well be but that still doesn't answer my question. Do the EU take rules of origin too far? Are the UK too lax on rules of origin? Do you actually know the answer? The person I asked has refused to answer it directly.
At the moment the UK isn't bothering checking things like that
They're not checking imports from the EU or the whole world? As far as I'm aware, our terms with China haven't changed.
I think it's more to do with the increased amount of checks we should be doing and are not encouraging people to be more bold there was a report the other week on food not being fit for consumption getting through will have a look for it
This is far away from the original question.
The poster said he's had too many delays in shipping to the EU. I'm not seeing any delays coming in from China (I can receive in 3 days, always have been able to).
Rules of origin were blamed for these delays but if I can't get an answer I'm gonna have to assume the delays are the fault of the EU.
BTW, my EU counterparts can also get goods from China in 3 days, so I'm confused as to why UK-EU has such severe delays.
We didn't change our trading relationship with China. We did with the EU.
It doesn't matter that we changed our relationship.
If rules of origin are to blame, why aren't they a problem from anywhere else in the world?
And why are they not a problem China- EU?
They are really simple questions.
Has china changed its trading relationship with the EU in the last 5 years to subject itself to new rules?
Did we have problems of this kind prior to Brexit and changing the rules?
You're either not getting it or are purposely refusing to answer because you know it'll make the rules of origin argument look silly.
The UK does not have a FTA with China, the UK does have a FTA with EU.
Shouldn't it actually be easier to trade with EU?
You haven't answered my questions.
The EU obviously values standards more highly than China But as I said earlier we knew what we were signing up for and we got it.
Why did these problems not exist prior to Brexit? You haven't answered that
I can't answer the question because that's what I'm trying to find out...
EU valuing standards higher than China has nothing to do with it. I'm asking about goods coming from China, not going to China.
How can the UK and the EU receive goods from China in 3 days?
The poster I asked the original question too hasn't been back to tell us how long the delays he is having are but sounds like weeks seeing as he's having to refund people.
You can't answer but have assumed it's the EUs fault?
Fucking hell bro, I said if no one can help then I'll have to assume. Why? Because its no problem from anywhere else in the world and has been a problem with the EU since Brexit. That's a really easy conclusion to come to.
You know its often said round here that we all need to 'stop pretending Brexit is good', the same could be said for 'stop blaming everything on Brexit'.
Here I am actually trying to learn about the actual reason rather than soundbites and I get offered absolutely fucking nothing, and people why Brexit voters laugh at them.
You've come to a swingers forum to learn about international trade?
I asked someone who said they had delays a question...
Is that not allowed? Why don't we just scrap the politics forum?
Why are you here? Just to troll? Maybe to have discussions? Maybe learn a thing or two? Maybe just to shout 'Brexit is the devil'?
Get a grip mate, as I said before, either you can't answer or don't want to because it'll ruin your argument, that how most of you behave.
And stay out of my DMs please, let's keep it here where its public. "It's extremely hard to answer anecdotal questions, Your experience of getting a delivery from China in 3 days is rare it's typically weeks I've never received anything from China in under a week. Until the person with the problem outlines the issue more fully the question can't really be answered but it's clearly hinted that Brexit is causing the issue. I can only more problems happening when the goods from the EU starts to be checked, this is probably why the government keeps delaying this. Out of interest what did you get from China and how much was postage? | |||
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" Last time I checked we continue to trade with Eirope , just on slightly different terms . I run a small business that sells to the EU and around the world and also imports products. The terms are not "slightly different". They are massively different. Big increases in costs to import and then to customers if we export. And also big increases in time to delivery due to customs clearance. We find ourselves constantly apologising for delays and people will rarely order again. It really is a completely different world. You may think overall it is worth but please don't brush off the changes as slightly different. I can imagine the impact for larger companies must be huge. How long are your delays? Are these delays due to the EU (whatever country you're going through) taking time to clear customs? I don't sell into the EU but I import a lot from China and can get packages in 3 days. Why would the EU take so much longer? For the reasons we warned about prior to the referendum. Rules of origin was always going to be a biggie. Don't rules of origin affect the products I bring in from China? They never used to affect EU trade. Now they do. New paperwork. Not enough staff to deal with it. Myriad other factors. Like I said, this was all warned about pre-referendum, but we were told it was part of project fear. That doesn't answer the question. Do rules of origin affect the stuff I import? Isn't this because the rules for exporting into the EU are different from exporting to the UK? They may well be but that still doesn't answer my question. Do the EU take rules of origin too far? Are the UK too lax on rules of origin? Do you actually know the answer? The person I asked has refused to answer it directly.
At the moment the UK isn't bothering checking things like that
They're not checking imports from the EU or the whole world? As far as I'm aware, our terms with China haven't changed.
I think it's more to do with the increased amount of checks we should be doing and are not encouraging people to be more bold there was a report the other week on food not being fit for consumption getting through will have a look for it
This is far away from the original question.
The poster said he's had too many delays in shipping to the EU. I'm not seeing any delays coming in from China (I can receive in 3 days, always have been able to).
Rules of origin were blamed for these delays but if I can't get an answer I'm gonna have to assume the delays are the fault of the EU.
BTW, my EU counterparts can also get goods from China in 3 days, so I'm confused as to why UK-EU has such severe delays.
We didn't change our trading relationship with China. We did with the EU.
It doesn't matter that we changed our relationship.
If rules of origin are to blame, why aren't they a problem from anywhere else in the world?
And why are they not a problem China- EU?
They are really simple questions.
Has china changed its trading relationship with the EU in the last 5 years to subject itself to new rules?
Did we have problems of this kind prior to Brexit and changing the rules?
You're either not getting it or are purposely refusing to answer because you know it'll make the rules of origin argument look silly.
The UK does not have a FTA with China, the UK does have a FTA with EU.
Shouldn't it actually be easier to trade with EU?
You haven't answered my questions.
The EU obviously values standards more highly than China But as I said earlier we knew what we were signing up for and we got it.
Why did these problems not exist prior to Brexit? You haven't answered that
I can't answer the question because that's what I'm trying to find out...
EU valuing standards higher than China has nothing to do with it. I'm asking about goods coming from China, not going to China.
How can the UK and the EU receive goods from China in 3 days?
The poster I asked the original question too hasn't been back to tell us how long the delays he is having are but sounds like weeks seeing as he's having to refund people.
You can't answer but have assumed it's the EUs fault?
Fucking hell bro, I said if no one can help then I'll have to assume. Why? Because its no problem from anywhere else in the world and has been a problem with the EU since Brexit. That's a really easy conclusion to come to.
You know its often said round here that we all need to 'stop pretending Brexit is good', the same could be said for 'stop blaming everything on Brexit'.
Here I am actually trying to learn about the actual reason rather than soundbites and I get offered absolutely fucking nothing, and people why Brexit voters laugh at them.
You've come to a swingers forum to learn about international trade?
I asked someone who said they had delays a question...
Is that not allowed? Why don't we just scrap the politics forum?
Why are you here? Just to troll? Maybe to have discussions? Maybe learn a thing or two? Maybe just to shout 'Brexit is the devil'?
Get a grip mate, as I said before, either you can't answer or don't want to because it'll ruin your argument, that how most of you behave.
And stay out of my DMs please, let's keep it here where its public.
It's extremely hard to answer anecdotal questions, Your experience of getting a delivery from China in 3 days is rare it's typically weeks I've never received anything from China in under a week.
Until the person with the problem outlines the issue more fully the question can't really be answered but it's clearly hinted that Brexit is causing the issue.
I can only more problems happening when the goods from the EU starts to be checked, this is probably why the government keeps delaying this.
Out of interest what did you get from China and how much was postage?"It's not extremely hard to answer for the person I asked. I pay for DHL or UPS to bring my goods from China, China posts takes weeks. It doesn't really matter what I'm buying or how much I pay for shipping. My experience definitely isn't rare, in fact most people in my industry are using the same 3 day service, in the UK and EU. | |||
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" Last time I checked we continue to trade with Eirope , just on slightly different terms . I run a small business that sells to the EU and around the world and also imports products. The terms are not "slightly different". They are massively different. Big increases in costs to import and then to customers if we export. And also big increases in time to delivery due to customs clearance. We find ourselves constantly apologising for delays and people will rarely order again. It really is a completely different world. You may think overall it is worth but please don't brush off the changes as slightly different. I can imagine the impact for larger companies must be huge. How long are your delays? Are these delays due to the EU (whatever country you're going through) taking time to clear customs? I don't sell into the EU but I import a lot from China and can get packages in 3 days. Why would the EU take so much longer? For the reasons we warned about prior to the referendum. Rules of origin was always going to be a biggie. Don't rules of origin affect the products I bring in from China? They never used to affect EU trade. Now they do. New paperwork. Not enough staff to deal with it. Myriad other factors. Like I said, this was all warned about pre-referendum, but we were told it was part of project fear. That doesn't answer the question. Do rules of origin affect the stuff I import? Isn't this because the rules for exporting into the EU are different from exporting to the UK? They may well be but that still doesn't answer my question. Do the EU take rules of origin too far? Are the UK too lax on rules of origin? Do you actually know the answer? The person I asked has refused to answer it directly.
At the moment the UK isn't bothering checking things like that
They're not checking imports from the EU or the whole world? As far as I'm aware, our terms with China haven't changed.
I think it's more to do with the increased amount of checks we should be doing and are not encouraging people to be more bold there was a report the other week on food not being fit for consumption getting through will have a look for it
This is far away from the original question.
The poster said he's had too many delays in shipping to the EU. I'm not seeing any delays coming in from China (I can receive in 3 days, always have been able to).
Rules of origin were blamed for these delays but if I can't get an answer I'm gonna have to assume the delays are the fault of the EU.
BTW, my EU counterparts can also get goods from China in 3 days, so I'm confused as to why UK-EU has such severe delays.
We didn't change our trading relationship with China. We did with the EU.
It doesn't matter that we changed our relationship.
If rules of origin are to blame, why aren't they a problem from anywhere else in the world?
And why are they not a problem China- EU?
They are really simple questions.
Has china changed its trading relationship with the EU in the last 5 years to subject itself to new rules?
Did we have problems of this kind prior to Brexit and changing the rules?
You're either not getting it or are purposely refusing to answer because you know it'll make the rules of origin argument look silly.
The UK does not have a FTA with China, the UK does have a FTA with EU.
Shouldn't it actually be easier to trade with EU?
You haven't answered my questions.
The EU obviously values standards more highly than China But as I said earlier we knew what we were signing up for and we got it.
Why did these problems not exist prior to Brexit? You haven't answered that
I can't answer the question because that's what I'm trying to find out...
EU valuing standards higher than China has nothing to do with it. I'm asking about goods coming from China, not going to China.
How can the UK and the EU receive goods from China in 3 days?
The poster I asked the original question too hasn't been back to tell us how long the delays he is having are but sounds like weeks seeing as he's having to refund people.
You can't answer but have assumed it's the EUs fault?
Fucking hell bro, I said if no one can help then I'll have to assume. Why? Because its no problem from anywhere else in the world and has been a problem with the EU since Brexit. That's a really easy conclusion to come to.
You know its often said round here that we all need to 'stop pretending Brexit is good', the same could be said for 'stop blaming everything on Brexit'.
Here I am actually trying to learn about the actual reason rather than soundbites and I get offered absolutely fucking nothing, and people why Brexit voters laugh at them.
You've come to a swingers forum to learn about international trade?
I asked someone who said they had delays a question...
Is that not allowed? Why don't we just scrap the politics forum?
Why are you here? Just to troll? Maybe to have discussions? Maybe learn a thing or two? Maybe just to shout 'Brexit is the devil'?
Get a grip mate, as I said before, either you can't answer or don't want to because it'll ruin your argument, that how most of you behave.
And stay out of my DMs please, let's keep it here where its public.
It's extremely hard to answer anecdotal questions, Your experience of getting a delivery from China in 3 days is rare it's typically weeks I've never received anything from China in under a week.
Until the person with the problem outlines the issue more fully the question can't really be answered but it's clearly hinted that Brexit is causing the issue.
I can only more problems happening when the goods from the EU starts to be checked, this is probably why the government keeps delaying this.
Out of interest what did you get from China and how much was postage?
It's not extremely hard to answer for the person I asked.
I pay for DHL or UPS to bring my goods from China, China posts takes weeks. It doesn't really matter what I'm buying or how much I pay for shipping. My experience definitely isn't rare, in fact most people in my industry are using the same 3 day service, in the UK and EU."I'm pretty sure it does matter in the context of comparing an express delivery service to whatever the other poster is using. | |||
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""I run a small business that sells to the EU and around the world and also imports products. The terms are not "slightly different". They are massively different. Big increases in costs to import and then to customers if we export. And also big increases in time to delivery due to customs clearance. We find ourselves constantly apologising for delays and people will rarely order again. It really is a completely different world. You may think overall it is worth but please don't brush off the changes as slightly different. I can imagine the impact for larger companies must be huge. " This is the original post, where does the poster say that there are delays with imports? Seems it exports to me!" Which is why I asked how long its taking. Chinese companies sending here are 'exporting', which is why I asked if we impose origin rules on those imports to the UK. He also said there's been big increases in import costs, I haven't seen this, shipping is more expensive, but it is worldwide. TBH, I actually think you've got yourself in such a twist you don't even know what I'm asking. | |||
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""I run a small business that sells to the EU and around the world and also imports products. The terms are not "slightly different". They are massively different. Big increases in costs to import and then to customers if we export. And also big increases in time to delivery due to customs clearance. We find ourselves constantly apologising for delays and people will rarely order again. It really is a completely different world. You may think overall it is worth but please don't brush off the changes as slightly different. I can imagine the impact for larger companies must be huge. " This is the original post, where does the poster say that there are delays with imports? Seems it exports to me! Which is why I asked how long its taking. Chinese companies sending here are 'exporting', which is why I asked if we impose origin rules on those imports to the UK. He also said there's been big increases in import costs, I haven't seen this, shipping is more expensive, but it is worldwide. TBH, I actually think you've got yourself in such a twist you don't even know what I'm asking." I really haven't, what makes you think the user is talking about importing from the EU when talking about delays? I'd say from the customs reference it talking about exporting to the EU. | |||
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""I run a small business that sells to the EU and around the world and also imports products. The terms are not "slightly different". They are massively different. Big increases in costs to import and then to customers if we export. And also big increases in time to delivery due to customs clearance. We find ourselves constantly apologising for delays and people will rarely order again. It really is a completely different world. You may think overall it is worth but please don't brush off the changes as slightly different. I can imagine the impact for larger companies must be huge. " This is the original post, where does the poster say that there are delays with imports? Seems it exports to me! Which is why I asked how long its taking. Chinese companies sending here are 'exporting', which is why I asked if we impose origin rules on those imports to the UK. He also said there's been big increases in import costs, I haven't seen this, shipping is more expensive, but it is worldwide. TBH, I actually think you've got yourself in such a twist you don't even know what I'm asking." Also, Customs duties went up from 1.6bn in 2020 to 2.2 bn in 2021 which was the biggest increase ever. Do you import from the EU? | |||
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""I run a small business that sells to the EU and around the world and also imports products. The terms are not "slightly different". They are massively different. Big increases in costs to import and then to customers if we export. And also big increases in time to delivery due to customs clearance. We find ourselves constantly apologising for delays and people will rarely order again. It really is a completely different world. You may think overall it is worth but please don't brush off the changes as slightly different. I can imagine the impact for larger companies must be huge. " This is the original post, where does the poster say that there are delays with imports? Seems it exports to me! Which is why I asked how long its taking. Chinese companies sending here are 'exporting', which is why I asked if we impose origin rules on those imports to the UK. He also said there's been big increases in import costs, I haven't seen this, shipping is more expensive, but it is worldwide. TBH, I actually think you've got yourself in such a twist you don't even know what I'm asking. I really haven't, what makes you think the user is talking about importing from the EU when talking about delays? I'd say from the customs reference it talking about exporting to the EU. " I don't think he's talking about importing from the EU, I have no idea where he's importing from. I know he's talking about exporting to the EU, which is were I believe the delays are. Hence why, without any further explanation I conclude the delays are on the EU side. I do not import from the EU. All of this is information I've taken from his post, hence my need for asking questions. Apparently though, according to you, I shouldn't come to a swingers forum and have a discussion or ask questions | |||
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""I run a small business that sells to the EU and around the world and also imports products. The terms are not "slightly different". They are massively different. Big increases in costs to import and then to customers if we export. And also big increases in time to delivery due to customs clearance. We find ourselves constantly apologising for delays and people will rarely order again. It really is a completely different world. You may think overall it is worth but please don't brush off the changes as slightly different. I can imagine the impact for larger companies must be huge. " This is the original post, where does the poster say that there are delays with imports? Seems it exports to me! Which is why I asked how long its taking. Chinese companies sending here are 'exporting', which is why I asked if we impose origin rules on those imports to the UK. He also said there's been big increases in import costs, I haven't seen this, shipping is more expensive, but it is worldwide. TBH, I actually think you've got yourself in such a twist you don't even know what I'm asking. I really haven't, what makes you think the user is talking about importing from the EU when talking about delays? I'd say from the customs reference it talking about exporting to the EU. I don't think he's talking about importing from the EU, I have no idea where he's importing from. I know he's talking about exporting to the EU, which is were I believe the delays are. Hence why, without any further explanation I conclude the delays are on the EU side. I do not import from the EU. All of this is information I've taken from his post, hence my need for asking questions. Apparently though, according to you, I shouldn't come to a swingers forum and have a discussion or ask questions ""How can the UK and the EU receive goods from China in 3 days?" Why ask this then, Surely the question should have been about sending the goods! Do you see what I'm getting at! | |||
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""I run a small business that sells to the EU and around the world and also imports products. The terms are not "slightly different". They are massively different. Big increases in costs to import and then to customers if we export. And also big increases in time to delivery due to customs clearance. We find ourselves constantly apologising for delays and people will rarely order again. It really is a completely different world. You may think overall it is worth but please don't brush off the changes as slightly different. I can imagine the impact for larger companies must be huge. " This is the original post, where does the poster say that there are delays with imports? Seems it exports to me! Which is why I asked how long its taking. Chinese companies sending here are 'exporting', which is why I asked if we impose origin rules on those imports to the UK. He also said there's been big increases in import costs, I haven't seen this, shipping is more expensive, but it is worldwide. TBH, I actually think you've got yourself in such a twist you don't even know what I'm asking. I really haven't, what makes you think the user is talking about importing from the EU when talking about delays? I'd say from the customs reference it talking about exporting to the EU. I don't think he's talking about importing from the EU, I have no idea where he's importing from. I know he's talking about exporting to the EU, which is were I believe the delays are. Hence why, without any further explanation I conclude the delays are on the EU side. I do not import from the EU. All of this is information I've taken from his post, hence my need for asking questions. Apparently though, according to you, I shouldn't come to a swingers forum and have a discussion or ask questions
"How can the UK and the EU receive goods from China in 3 days?"
Why ask this then, Surely the question should have been about sending the goods! Do you see what I'm getting at!"You obviously don't get it. I've written an awful lot and you keep picking out one liners. Enjoy the feeling that you win, I'm bored now | |||
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""I run a small business that sells to the EU and around the world and also imports products. The terms are not "slightly different". They are massively different. Big increases in costs to import and then to customers if we export. And also big increases in time to delivery due to customs clearance. We find ourselves constantly apologising for delays and people will rarely order again. It really is a completely different world. You may think overall it is worth but please don't brush off the changes as slightly different. I can imagine the impact for larger companies must be huge. " This is the original post, where does the poster say that there are delays with imports? Seems it exports to me! Which is why I asked how long its taking. Chinese companies sending here are 'exporting', which is why I asked if we impose origin rules on those imports to the UK. He also said there's been big increases in import costs, I haven't seen this, shipping is more expensive, but it is worldwide. TBH, I actually think you've got yourself in such a twist you don't even know what I'm asking. I really haven't, what makes you think the user is talking about importing from the EU when talking about delays? I'd say from the customs reference it talking about exporting to the EU. I don't think he's talking about importing from the EU, I have no idea where he's importing from. I know he's talking about exporting to the EU, which is were I believe the delays are. Hence why, without any further explanation I conclude the delays are on the EU side. I do not import from the EU. All of this is information I've taken from his post, hence my need for asking questions. Apparently though, according to you, I shouldn't come to a swingers forum and have a discussion or ask questions
"How can the UK and the EU receive goods from China in 3 days?"
Why ask this then, Surely the question should have been about sending the goods! Do you see what I'm getting at!
You obviously don't get it.
I've written an awful lot and you keep picking out one liners. Enjoy the feeling that you win, I'm bored now "Oh, conveniently bored...You've banged on about people not answering you, I've pointed out that you've confused importing and exporting in the post referenced. Once you actually read the post as referring to exporting your China point becomes irrelevant, now we've cleared up its about exporting please see all the posts above about customs checks etc to answer your question. | |||
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""I run a small business that sells to the EU and around the world and also imports products. The terms are not "slightly different". They are massively different. Big increases in costs to import and then to customers if we export. And also big increases in time to delivery due to customs clearance. We find ourselves constantly apologising for delays and people will rarely order again. It really is a completely different world. You may think overall it is worth but please don't brush off the changes as slightly different. I can imagine the impact for larger companies must be huge. " This is the original post, where does the poster say that there are delays with imports? Seems it exports to me! Which is why I asked how long its taking. Chinese companies sending here are 'exporting', which is why I asked if we impose origin rules on those imports to the UK. He also said there's been big increases in import costs, I haven't seen this, shipping is more expensive, but it is worldwide. TBH, I actually think you've got yourself in such a twist you don't even know what I'm asking. I really haven't, what makes you think the user is talking about importing from the EU when talking about delays? I'd say from the customs reference it talking about exporting to the EU. I don't think he's talking about importing from the EU, I have no idea where he's importing from. I know he's talking about exporting to the EU, which is were I believe the delays are. Hence why, without any further explanation I conclude the delays are on the EU side. I do not import from the EU. All of this is information I've taken from his post, hence my need for asking questions. Apparently though, according to you, I shouldn't come to a swingers forum and have a discussion or ask questions
"How can the UK and the EU receive goods from China in 3 days?"
Why ask this then, Surely the question should have been about sending the goods! Do you see what I'm getting at!
You obviously don't get it.
I've written an awful lot and you keep picking out one liners. Enjoy the feeling that you win, I'm bored now
Oh, conveniently bored...You've banged on about people not answering you, I've pointed out that you've confused importing and exporting in the post referenced. Once you actually read the post as referring to exporting your China point becomes irrelevant, now we've cleared up its about exporting please see all the posts above about customs checks etc to answer your question."
I'm bored of you. I'll wait for the poster to answer my question.
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""I run a small business that sells to the EU and around the world and also imports products. The terms are not "slightly different". They are massively different. Big increases in costs to import and then to customers if we export. And also big increases in time to delivery due to customs clearance. We find ourselves constantly apologising for delays and people will rarely order again. It really is a completely different world. You may think overall it is worth but please don't brush off the changes as slightly different. I can imagine the impact for larger companies must be huge. " This is the original post, where does the poster say that there are delays with imports? Seems it exports to me! Which is why I asked how long its taking. Chinese companies sending here are 'exporting', which is why I asked if we impose origin rules on those imports to the UK. He also said there's been big increases in import costs, I haven't seen this, shipping is more expensive, but it is worldwide. TBH, I actually think you've got yourself in such a twist you don't even know what I'm asking. I really haven't, what makes you think the user is talking about importing from the EU when talking about delays? I'd say from the customs reference it talking about exporting to the EU. I don't think he's talking about importing from the EU, I have no idea where he's importing from. I know he's talking about exporting to the EU, which is were I believe the delays are. Hence why, without any further explanation I conclude the delays are on the EU side. I do not import from the EU. All of this is information I've taken from his post, hence my need for asking questions. Apparently though, according to you, I shouldn't come to a swingers forum and have a discussion or ask questions
"How can the UK and the EU receive goods from China in 3 days?"
Why ask this then, Surely the question should have been about sending the goods! Do you see what I'm getting at!
You obviously don't get it.
I've written an awful lot and you keep picking out one liners. Enjoy the feeling that you win, I'm bored now
Oh, conveniently bored...You've banged on about people not answering you, I've pointed out that you've confused importing and exporting in the post referenced. Once you actually read the post as referring to exporting your China point becomes irrelevant, now we've cleared up its about exporting please see all the posts above about customs checks etc to answer your question.
I'm bored of you. I'll wait for the poster to answer my question.
As I said, enjoy the winning feeling "Obviously, as you keep replying! I'm sure the poster will clear things up and be elated the post got hijacked by you confusing exporting and importing! | |||
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""I run a small business that sells to the EU and around the world and also imports products. The terms are not "slightly different". They are massively different. Big increases in costs to import and then to customers if we export. And also big increases in time to delivery due to customs clearance. We find ourselves constantly apologising for delays and people will rarely order again. It really is a completely different world. You may think overall it is worth but please don't brush off the changes as slightly different. I can imagine the impact for larger companies must be huge. " This is the original post, where does the poster say that there are delays with imports? Seems it exports to me! Which is why I asked how long its taking. Chinese companies sending here are 'exporting', which is why I asked if we impose origin rules on those imports to the UK. He also said there's been big increases in import costs, I haven't seen this, shipping is more expensive, but it is worldwide. TBH, I actually think you've got yourself in such a twist you don't even know what I'm asking. I really haven't, what makes you think the user is talking about importing from the EU when talking about delays? I'd say from the customs reference it talking about exporting to the EU. I don't think he's talking about importing from the EU, I have no idea where he's importing from. I know he's talking about exporting to the EU, which is were I believe the delays are. Hence why, without any further explanation I conclude the delays are on the EU side. I do not import from the EU. All of this is information I've taken from his post, hence my need for asking questions. Apparently though, according to you, I shouldn't come to a swingers forum and have a discussion or ask questions
"How can the UK and the EU receive goods from China in 3 days?"
Why ask this then, Surely the question should have been about sending the goods! Do you see what I'm getting at!
You obviously don't get it.
I've written an awful lot and you keep picking out one liners. Enjoy the feeling that you win, I'm bored now
Oh, conveniently bored...You've banged on about people not answering you, I've pointed out that you've confused importing and exporting in the post referenced. Once you actually read the post as referring to exporting your China point becomes irrelevant, now we've cleared up its about exporting please see all the posts above about customs checks etc to answer your question.
I'm bored of you. I'll wait for the poster to answer my question.
As I said, enjoy the winning feeling
Obviously, as you keep replying!
I'm sure the poster will clear things up and be elated the post got hijacked by you confusing exporting and importing!"I've told you I'm not confused. Obviously, you know better than I do. Either that or you're another one round here who is incapable reading what people write. Troll, nothing more. | |||
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""I run a small business that sells to the EU and around the world and also imports products. The terms are not "slightly different". They are massively different. Big increases in costs to import and then to customers if we export. And also big increases in time to delivery due to customs clearance. We find ourselves constantly apologising for delays and people will rarely order again. It really is a completely different world. You may think overall it is worth but please don't brush off the changes as slightly different. I can imagine the impact for larger companies must be huge. " This is the original post, where does the poster say that there are delays with imports? Seems it exports to me! Which is why I asked how long its taking. Chinese companies sending here are 'exporting', which is why I asked if we impose origin rules on those imports to the UK. He also said there's been big increases in import costs, I haven't seen this, shipping is more expensive, but it is worldwide. TBH, I actually think you've got yourself in such a twist you don't even know what I'm asking. I really haven't, what makes you think the user is talking about importing from the EU when talking about delays? I'd say from the customs reference it talking about exporting to the EU. I don't think he's talking about importing from the EU, I have no idea where he's importing from. I know he's talking about exporting to the EU, which is were I believe the delays are. Hence why, without any further explanation I conclude the delays are on the EU side. I do not import from the EU. All of this is information I've taken from his post, hence my need for asking questions. Apparently though, according to you, I shouldn't come to a swingers forum and have a discussion or ask questions
"How can the UK and the EU receive goods from China in 3 days?"
Why ask this then, Surely the question should have been about sending the goods! Do you see what I'm getting at!
You obviously don't get it.
I've written an awful lot and you keep picking out one liners. Enjoy the feeling that you win, I'm bored now
Oh, conveniently bored...You've banged on about people not answering you, I've pointed out that you've confused importing and exporting in the post referenced. Once you actually read the post as referring to exporting your China point becomes irrelevant, now we've cleared up its about exporting please see all the posts above about customs checks etc to answer your question.
I'm bored of you. I'll wait for the poster to answer my question.
As I said, enjoy the winning feeling
Obviously, as you keep replying!
I'm sure the poster will clear things up and be elated the post got hijacked by you confusing exporting and importing!
I've told you I'm not confused. Obviously, you know better than I do. Either that or you're another one round here who is incapable reading what people write.
Troll, nothing more. "Your problem is I'm not, How is your China question relevant to the poster's situation in delayed export to the EU? As you've acknowledged above you think the delays are to the EU and not from the EU....Fire away. | |||
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""I run a small business that sells to the EU and around the world and also imports products. The terms are not "slightly different". They are massively different. Big increases in costs to import and then to customers if we export. And also big increases in time to delivery due to customs clearance. We find ourselves constantly apologising for delays and people will rarely order again. It really is a completely different world. You may think overall it is worth but please don't brush off the changes as slightly different. I can imagine the impact for larger companies must be huge. " This is the original post, where does the poster say that there are delays with imports? Seems it exports to me! Which is why I asked how long its taking. Chinese companies sending here are 'exporting', which is why I asked if we impose origin rules on those imports to the UK. He also said there's been big increases in import costs, I haven't seen this, shipping is more expensive, but it is worldwide. TBH, I actually think you've got yourself in such a twist you don't even know what I'm asking. I really haven't, what makes you think the user is talking about importing from the EU when talking about delays? I'd say from the customs reference it talking about exporting to the EU. I don't think he's talking about importing from the EU, I have no idea where he's importing from. I know he's talking about exporting to the EU, which is were I believe the delays are. Hence why, without any further explanation I conclude the delays are on the EU side. I do not import from the EU. All of this is information I've taken from his post, hence my need for asking questions. Apparently though, according to you, I shouldn't come to a swingers forum and have a discussion or ask questions
"How can the UK and the EU receive goods from China in 3 days?"
Why ask this then, Surely the question should have been about sending the goods! Do you see what I'm getting at!
You obviously don't get it.
I've written an awful lot and you keep picking out one liners. Enjoy the feeling that you win, I'm bored now
Oh, conveniently bored...You've banged on about people not answering you, I've pointed out that you've confused importing and exporting in the post referenced. Once you actually read the post as referring to exporting your China point becomes irrelevant, now we've cleared up its about exporting please see all the posts above about customs checks etc to answer your question.
I'm bored of you. I'll wait for the poster to answer my question.
As I said, enjoy the winning feeling
Obviously, as you keep replying!
I'm sure the poster will clear things up and be elated the post got hijacked by you confusing exporting and importing!
I've told you I'm not confused. Obviously, you know better than I do. Either that or you're another one round here who is incapable reading what people write.
Troll, nothing more.
Your problem is I'm not, How is your China question relevant to the poster's situation in delayed export to the EU?
As you've acknowledged above you think the delays are to the EU and not from the EU....Fire away."Let me spell this out for you. I import from China in 3 days.... The posters customers import to the EU from him in let's say 2 weeks.... Both are imports... How can I possibly get something from the China in 3 days but someone in the EU can't get something from the UK in 2 weeks? See that they're both IMPORTS. Stop trying to twist it to win an argument. | |||
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""I run a small business that sells to the EU and around the world and also imports products. The terms are not "slightly different". They are massively different. Big increases in costs to import and then to customers if we export. And also big increases in time to delivery due to customs clearance. We find ourselves constantly apologising for delays and people will rarely order again. It really is a completely different world. You may think overall it is worth but please don't brush off the changes as slightly different. I can imagine the impact for larger companies must be huge. " This is the original post, where does the poster say that there are delays with imports? Seems it exports to me! Which is why I asked how long its taking. Chinese companies sending here are 'exporting', which is why I asked if we impose origin rules on those imports to the UK. He also said there's been big increases in import costs, I haven't seen this, shipping is more expensive, but it is worldwide. TBH, I actually think you've got yourself in such a twist you don't even know what I'm asking. I really haven't, what makes you think the user is talking about importing from the EU when talking about delays? I'd say from the customs reference it talking about exporting to the EU. I don't think he's talking about importing from the EU, I have no idea where he's importing from. I know he's talking about exporting to the EU, which is were I believe the delays are. Hence why, without any further explanation I conclude the delays are on the EU side. I do not import from the EU. All of this is information I've taken from his post, hence my need for asking questions. Apparently though, according to you, I shouldn't come to a swingers forum and have a discussion or ask questions
"How can the UK and the EU receive goods from China in 3 days?"
Why ask this then, Surely the question should have been about sending the goods! Do you see what I'm getting at!
You obviously don't get it.
I've written an awful lot and you keep picking out one liners. Enjoy the feeling that you win, I'm bored now
Oh, conveniently bored...You've banged on about people not answering you, I've pointed out that you've confused importing and exporting in the post referenced. Once you actually read the post as referring to exporting your China point becomes irrelevant, now we've cleared up its about exporting please see all the posts above about customs checks etc to answer your question.
I'm bored of you. I'll wait for the poster to answer my question.
As I said, enjoy the winning feeling
Obviously, as you keep replying!
I'm sure the poster will clear things up and be elated the post got hijacked by you confusing exporting and importing!
I've told you I'm not confused. Obviously, you know better than I do. Either that or you're another one round here who is incapable reading what people write.
Troll, nothing more.
Your problem is I'm not, How is your China question relevant to the poster's situation in delayed export to the EU?
As you've acknowledged above you think the delays are to the EU and not from the EU....Fire away.
Let me spell this out for you.
I import from China in 3 days....
The posters customers import to the EU from him in let's say 2 weeks....
Both are imports...
How can I possibly get something from the China in 3 days but someone in the EU can't get something from the UK in 2 weeks?
See that they're both IMPORTS.
Stop trying to twist it to win an argument. "Though you were bored, you haven't answered the question! The delays were with exports as you've acknowledged above...How is your China question relevant to delays? The poster never mentions delays in imports as far as I can see....Not sure it's me twisting the argument here! | |||
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"Of course the point of buying or selling goods to other countries is relevant! It shows that we can import / export rather easily to most countries in the world, and over time once we have overcome the hump of change it will become a simpler exercise to trade with the EU. The delays are mainly due to uncertainty. " I'm sorry, what are you referring to here? | |||
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"Of course the point of buying or selling goods to other countries is relevant! It shows that we can import / export rather easily to most countries in the world, and over time once we have overcome the hump of change it will become a simpler exercise to trade with the EU. The delays are mainly due to uncertainty. I'm sorry, what are you referring to here?" You and your endless twisting of a very simple question that was posed. You seem to have gone out of your way to be difficult. We have delays with import and export to the the EU mainly at a small business level, due to confusion and not being prepared. Those issues will disappear over time, as have our trades with other countries. | |||
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""I run a small business that sells to the EU and around the world and also imports products. The terms are not "slightly different". They are massively different. Big increases in costs to import and then to customers if we export. And also big increases in time to delivery due to customs clearance. We find ourselves constantly apologising for delays and people will rarely order again. It really is a completely different world. You may think overall it is worth but please don't brush off the changes as slightly different. I can imagine the impact for larger companies must be huge. " This is the original post, where does the poster say that there are delays with imports? Seems it exports to me! Which is why I asked how long its taking. Chinese companies sending here are 'exporting', which is why I asked if we impose origin rules on those imports to the UK. He also said there's been big increases in import costs, I haven't seen this, shipping is more expensive, but it is worldwide. TBH, I actually think you've got yourself in such a twist you don't even know what I'm asking. I really haven't, what makes you think the user is talking about importing from the EU when talking about delays? I'd say from the customs reference it talking about exporting to the EU. I don't think he's talking about importing from the EU, I have no idea where he's importing from. I know he's talking about exporting to the EU, which is were I believe the delays are. Hence why, without any further explanation I conclude the delays are on the EU side. I do not import from the EU. All of this is information I've taken from his post, hence my need for asking questions. Apparently though, according to you, I shouldn't come to a swingers forum and have a discussion or ask questions
"How can the UK and the EU receive goods from China in 3 days?"
Why ask this then, Surely the question should have been about sending the goods! Do you see what I'm getting at!
You obviously don't get it.
I've written an awful lot and you keep picking out one liners. Enjoy the feeling that you win, I'm bored now
Oh, conveniently bored...You've banged on about people not answering you, I've pointed out that you've confused importing and exporting in the post referenced. Once you actually read the post as referring to exporting your China point becomes irrelevant, now we've cleared up its about exporting please see all the posts above about customs checks etc to answer your question.
I'm bored of you. I'll wait for the poster to answer my question.
As I said, enjoy the winning feeling
Obviously, as you keep replying!
I'm sure the poster will clear things up and be elated the post got hijacked by you confusing exporting and importing!
I've told you I'm not confused. Obviously, you know better than I do. Either that or you're another one round here who is incapable reading what people write.
Troll, nothing more.
Your problem is I'm not, How is your China question relevant to the poster's situation in delayed export to the EU?
As you've acknowledged above you think the delays are to the EU and not from the EU....Fire away.
Let me spell this out for you.
I import from China in 3 days....
The posters customers import to the EU from him in let's say 2 weeks....
Both are imports...
How can I possibly get something from the China in 3 days but someone in the EU can't get something from the UK in 2 weeks?
See that they're both IMPORTS.
Stop trying to twist it to win an argument.
Though you were bored, you haven't answered the question! The delays were with exports as you've acknowledged above...How is your China question relevant to delays?
The poster never mentions delays in imports as far as I can see....Not sure it's me twisting the argument here!
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"I see various comments above on my original post on my own experience exporting and importing from Europe. It is so obviously related to Brexit it is not worthy of discussion in my case. On selling to Europe obviously in the past there was no customs checks, no import duty, no VAT and no fees to clear customs. Things just sailed through in similar time frames to sending to UK almost and at no cost. Now there is almost always a cost to the final customer. It varies but in broad terms it's an extra 20%. As for time delays well if lucky it is a few days but sometimes a week. Paperwork is fine (these are small consumer items typically £50-300 value) but it just takes time to get through the system. Customs/local courier contacts customer regarding payment etc. Sometimes take a while for that contact to me made and everything to be processed. This is not the EU being incompetent or men as it is similar sending items elsewhere in the world. The point is it used to be frictionless in terms of time and cost and now it isn't. A few days and say 20% doesn't sound like much but it stops people ordering again and they will find an alternative from within the EU. Importing. I don't do this directly but through wholesalers and time is not an issue. However, cost most definitely is. Products from the EU countries went up in price very significantly as soon as new regime after leaving kicked in. Of course because now the importing wholesaler has to pay import duty, customs clearance charges etc. These are all new charges and they get passed on. Of course this is same as products from other countries outside the EU but it just means we are not competitive selling EU products back to the EU now and in our field there are a lot of branded popular products coming from EU countries. We are not a big business small businesses are the lifeblood of the economy and sure our experiences are being replicated many thousands of times over. It is just so obvious if you introduce friction into a previous frictionless system you will see a negative effect. Ideally there are some offsetting positive effects but yet to see them (eg frictionless trade deal with US - obviously not going to happen). " What is holding back UK manufacturing from making and supplying direct to the UK public those more expensive items coming in from the EU? | |||
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"I see various comments above on my original post on my own experience exporting and importing from Europe. It is so obviously related to Brexit it is not worthy of discussion in my case. On selling to Europe obviously in the past there was no customs checks, no import duty, no VAT and no fees to clear customs. Things just sailed through in similar time frames to sending to UK almost and at no cost. Now there is almost always a cost to the final customer. It varies but in broad terms it's an extra 20%. As for time delays well if lucky it is a few days but sometimes a week. Paperwork is fine (these are small consumer items typically £50-300 value) but it just takes time to get through the system. Customs/local courier contacts customer regarding payment etc. Sometimes take a while for that contact to me made and everything to be processed. This is not the EU being incompetent or men as it is similar sending items elsewhere in the world. The point is it used to be frictionless in terms of time and cost and now it isn't. A few days and say 20% doesn't sound like much but it stops people ordering again and they will find an alternative from within the EU. Importing. I don't do this directly but through wholesalers and time is not an issue. However, cost most definitely is. Products from the EU countries went up in price very significantly as soon as new regime after leaving kicked in. Of course because now the importing wholesaler has to pay import duty, customs clearance charges etc. These are all new charges and they get passed on. Of course this is same as products from other countries outside the EU but it just means we are not competitive selling EU products back to the EU now and in our field there are a lot of branded popular products coming from EU countries. We are not a big business small businesses are the lifeblood of the economy and sure our experiences are being replicated many thousands of times over. It is just so obvious if you introduce friction into a previous frictionless system you will see a negative effect. Ideally there are some offsetting positive effects but yet to see them (eg frictionless trade deal with US - obviously not going to happen). " Thank you for the detailed answer, makes for much better reading and gives an insight into your personal situation... The problem is as I thought it would be.... "Customs/local courier contacts customer regarding payment etc. Sometimes take a while for that contact to me made and everything to be processed." I appreciate there's now extra costs involved too so could make it unviable, do you mind me asking what it is you sell? You obviously don't have to tell me. | |||
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"I see various comments above on my original post on my own experience exporting and importing from Europe. It is so obviously related to Brexit it is not worthy of discussion in my case. On selling to Europe obviously in the past there was no customs checks, no import duty, no VAT and no fees to clear customs. Things just sailed through in similar time frames to sending to UK almost and at no cost. Now there is almost always a cost to the final customer. It varies but in broad terms it's an extra 20%. As for time delays well if lucky it is a few days but sometimes a week. Paperwork is fine (these are small consumer items typically £50-300 value) but it just takes time to get through the system. Customs/local courier contacts customer regarding payment etc. Sometimes take a while for that contact to me made and everything to be processed. This is not the EU being incompetent or men as it is similar sending items elsewhere in the world. The point is it used to be frictionless in terms of time and cost and now it isn't. A few days and say 20% doesn't sound like much but it stops people ordering again and they will find an alternative from within the EU. Importing. I don't do this directly but through wholesalers and time is not an issue. However, cost most definitely is. Products from the EU countries went up in price very significantly as soon as new regime after leaving kicked in. Of course because now the importing wholesaler has to pay import duty, customs clearance charges etc. These are all new charges and they get passed on. Of course this is same as products from other countries outside the EU but it just means we are not competitive selling EU products back to the EU now and in our field there are a lot of branded popular products coming from EU countries. We are not a big business small businesses are the lifeblood of the economy and sure our experiences are being replicated many thousands of times over. It is just so obvious if you introduce friction into a previous frictionless system you will see a negative effect. Ideally there are some offsetting positive effects but yet to see them (eg frictionless trade deal with US - obviously not going to happen). What is holding back UK manufacturing from making and supplying direct to the UK public those more expensive items coming in from the EU? " Our service based economy. | |||
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"I see various comments above on my original post on my own experience exporting and importing from Europe. It is so obviously related to Brexit it is not worthy of discussion in my case. On selling to Europe obviously in the past there was no customs checks, no import duty, no VAT and no fees to clear customs. Things just sailed through in similar time frames to sending to UK almost and at no cost. Now there is almost always a cost to the final customer. It varies but in broad terms it's an extra 20%. As for time delays well if lucky it is a few days but sometimes a week. Paperwork is fine (these are small consumer items typically £50-300 value) but it just takes time to get through the system. Customs/local courier contacts customer regarding payment etc. Sometimes take a while for that contact to me made and everything to be processed. This is not the EU being incompetent or men as it is similar sending items elsewhere in the world. The point is it used to be frictionless in terms of time and cost and now it isn't. A few days and say 20% doesn't sound like much but it stops people ordering again and they will find an alternative from within the EU. Importing. I don't do this directly but through wholesalers and time is not an issue. However, cost most definitely is. Products from the EU countries went up in price very significantly as soon as new regime after leaving kicked in. Of course because now the importing wholesaler has to pay import duty, customs clearance charges etc. These are all new charges and they get passed on. Of course this is same as products from other countries outside the EU but it just means we are not competitive selling EU products back to the EU now and in our field there are a lot of branded popular products coming from EU countries. We are not a big business small businesses are the lifeblood of the economy and sure our experiences are being replicated many thousands of times over. It is just so obvious if you introduce friction into a previous frictionless system you will see a negative effect. Ideally there are some offsetting positive effects but yet to see them (eg frictionless trade deal with US - obviously not going to happen). What is holding back UK manufacturing from making and supplying direct to the UK public those more expensive items coming in from the EU? Our service based economy." Time for change and investment | |||
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"I see various comments above on my original post on my own experience exporting and importing from Europe. It is so obviously related to Brexit it is not worthy of discussion in my case. On selling to Europe obviously in the past there was no customs checks, no import duty, no VAT and no fees to clear customs. Things just sailed through in similar time frames to sending to UK almost and at no cost. Now there is almost always a cost to the final customer. It varies but in broad terms it's an extra 20%. As for time delays well if lucky it is a few days but sometimes a week. Paperwork is fine (these are small consumer items typically £50-300 value) but it just takes time to get through the system. Customs/local courier contacts customer regarding payment etc. Sometimes take a while for that contact to me made and everything to be processed. This is not the EU being incompetent or men as it is similar sending items elsewhere in the world. The point is it used to be frictionless in terms of time and cost and now it isn't. A few days and say 20% doesn't sound like much but it stops people ordering again and they will find an alternative from within the EU. Importing. I don't do this directly but through wholesalers and time is not an issue. However, cost most definitely is. Products from the EU countries went up in price very significantly as soon as new regime after leaving kicked in. Of course because now the importing wholesaler has to pay import duty, customs clearance charges etc. These are all new charges and they get passed on. Of course this is same as products from other countries outside the EU but it just means we are not competitive selling EU products back to the EU now and in our field there are a lot of branded popular products coming from EU countries. We are not a big business small businesses are the lifeblood of the economy and sure our experiences are being replicated many thousands of times over. It is just so obvious if you introduce friction into a previous frictionless system you will see a negative effect. Ideally there are some offsetting positive effects but yet to see them (eg frictionless trade deal with US - obviously not going to happen). What is holding back UK manufacturing from making and supplying direct to the UK public those more expensive items coming in from the EU? Our service based economy. Time for change and investment " Given the lag involved, don’t expect a government to invest heavily in something that will only potentially come to fruition years after they’re out of office. | |||
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"Of course the point of buying or selling goods to other countries is relevant! It shows that we can import / export rather easily to most countries in the world, and over time once we have overcome the hump of change it will become a simpler exercise to trade with the EU. The delays are mainly due to uncertainty. I'm sorry, what are you referring to here? You and your endless twisting of a very simple question that was posed. You seem to have gone out of your way to be difficult. We have delays with import and export to the the EU mainly at a small business level, due to confusion and not being prepared. Those issues will disappear over time, as have our trades with other countries. " How had I? Look above feisty admits that China has nothing to do with Exports to the EU, The user also said that they haven't seen much increase in Import prices and then said they don't import from the EU so that was another irrelevance to the post. As for your argument that it'll take time and it's a teething issue...It's been three years and businesses are going under what consolation is that? How long will these teething issues go on for? 10 years? | |||
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"Of course the point of buying or selling goods to other countries is relevant! It shows that we can import / export rather easily to most countries in the world, and over time once we have overcome the hump of change it will become a simpler exercise to trade with the EU. The delays are mainly due to uncertainty. I'm sorry, what are you referring to here? You and your endless twisting of a very simple question that was posed. You seem to have gone out of your way to be difficult. We have delays with import and export to the the EU mainly at a small business level, due to confusion and not being prepared. Those issues will disappear over time, as have our trades with other countries. How had I? Look above feisty admits that China has nothing to do with Exports to the EU, The user also said that they haven't seen much increase in Import prices and then said they don't import from the EU so that was another irrelevance to the post. As for your argument that it'll take time and it's a teething issue...It's been three years and businesses are going under what consolation is that? How long will these teething issues go on for? 10 years? " For as long as it takes small business to adapt. What did you think was going to happen? | |||
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"Of course the point of buying or selling goods to other countries is relevant! It shows that we can import / export rather easily to most countries in the world, and over time once we have overcome the hump of change it will become a simpler exercise to trade with the EU. The delays are mainly due to uncertainty. I'm sorry, what are you referring to here? You and your endless twisting of a very simple question that was posed. You seem to have gone out of your way to be difficult. We have delays with import and export to the the EU mainly at a small business level, due to confusion and not being prepared. Those issues will disappear over time, as have our trades with other countries. How had I? Look above feisty admits that China has nothing to do with Exports to the EU, The user also said that they haven't seen much increase in Import prices and then said they don't import from the EU so that was another irrelevance to the post. As for your argument that it'll take time and it's a teething issue...It's been three years and businesses are going under what consolation is that? How long will these teething issues go on for? 10 years? For as long as it takes small business to adapt. What did you think was going to happen?" I thought it'd be a disaster, hence why I didn't vote to leave. | |||
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"Of course the point of buying or selling goods to other countries is relevant! It shows that we can import / export rather easily to most countries in the world, and over time once we have overcome the hump of change it will become a simpler exercise to trade with the EU. The delays are mainly due to uncertainty. I'm sorry, what are you referring to here? You and your endless twisting of a very simple question that was posed. You seem to have gone out of your way to be difficult. We have delays with import and export to the the EU mainly at a small business level, due to confusion and not being prepared. Those issues will disappear over time, as have our trades with other countries. How had I? Look above feisty admits that China has nothing to do with Exports to the EU, The user also said that they haven't seen much increase in Import prices and then said they don't import from the EU so that was another irrelevance to the post. As for your argument that it'll take time and it's a teething issue...It's been three years and businesses are going under what consolation is that? How long will these teething issues go on for? 10 years? For as long as it takes small business to adapt. What did you think was going to happen? I thought it'd be a disaster, hence why I didn't vote to leave." It hasn’t been a disaster has it? A change, not a disaster. | |||
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"Of course the point of buying or selling goods to other countries is relevant! It shows that we can import / export rather easily to most countries in the world, and over time once we have overcome the hump of change it will become a simpler exercise to trade with the EU. The delays are mainly due to uncertainty. I'm sorry, what are you referring to here? You and your endless twisting of a very simple question that was posed. You seem to have gone out of your way to be difficult. We have delays with import and export to the the EU mainly at a small business level, due to confusion and not being prepared. Those issues will disappear over time, as have our trades with other countries. How had I? Look above feisty admits that China has nothing to do with Exports to the EU, The user also said that they haven't seen much increase in Import prices and then said they don't import from the EU so that was another irrelevance to the post. As for your argument that it'll take time and it's a teething issue...It's been three years and businesses are going under what consolation is that? How long will these teething issues go on for? 10 years? For as long as it takes small business to adapt. What did you think was going to happen? I thought it'd be a disaster, hence why I didn't vote to leave. It hasn’t been a disaster has it? A change, not a disaster. " If you see loosing 4 percent of your national GDP and having some of the most incompetent MPs of all time during a pandemic as a change fair play. | |||
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"Of course the point of buying or selling goods to other countries is relevant! It shows that we can import / export rather easily to most countries in the world, and over time once we have overcome the hump of change it will become a simpler exercise to trade with the EU. The delays are mainly due to uncertainty. I'm sorry, what are you referring to here? You and your endless twisting of a very simple question that was posed. You seem to have gone out of your way to be difficult. We have delays with import and export to the the EU mainly at a small business level, due to confusion and not being prepared. Those issues will disappear over time, as have our trades with other countries. How had I? Look above feisty admits that China has nothing to do with Exports to the EU, The user also said that they haven't seen much increase in Import prices and then said they don't import from the EU so that was another irrelevance to the post. As for your argument that it'll take time and it's a teething issue...It's been three years and businesses are going under what consolation is that? How long will these teething issues go on for? 10 years? For as long as it takes small business to adapt. What did you think was going to happen? I thought it'd be a disaster, hence why I didn't vote to leave. It hasn’t been a disaster has it? A change, not a disaster. " How bad does it need to get before you would consider it a disaster? Unless you're suggesting that because we knew how bad Brexit would be for the UK, that it would have to be even worse to be a "disaster"? | |||
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"Of course the point of buying or selling goods to other countries is relevant! It shows that we can import / export rather easily to most countries in the world, and over time once we have overcome the hump of change it will become a simpler exercise to trade with the EU. The delays are mainly due to uncertainty. I'm sorry, what are you referring to here? You and your endless twisting of a very simple question that was posed. You seem to have gone out of your way to be difficult. We have delays with import and export to the the EU mainly at a small business level, due to confusion and not being prepared. Those issues will disappear over time, as have our trades with other countries. How had I? Look above feisty admits that China has nothing to do with Exports to the EU, The user also said that they haven't seen much increase in Import prices and then said they don't import from the EU so that was another irrelevance to the post. As for your argument that it'll take time and it's a teething issue...It's been three years and businesses are going under what consolation is that? How long will these teething issues go on for? 10 years? For as long as it takes small business to adapt. What did you think was going to happen? I thought it'd be a disaster, hence why I didn't vote to leave. It hasn’t been a disaster has it? A change, not a disaster. How bad does it need to get before you would consider it a disaster? Unless you're suggesting that because we knew how bad Brexit would be for the UK, that it would have to be even worse to be a "disaster"?" The black Knight of the political forum...just a flesh wound | |||
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"This is where it turns from the sublime to the ridiculous. It's hardly a disaster "How's it gone well? A lot of brexiters have admitted it's been a failure, Farage is one, Eustace has said the trade deals weren't good, frost also said pretty much the same thing...what's been good about it? | |||
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"This is where it turns from the sublime to the ridiculous. It's hardly a disaster
How's it gone well? A lot of brexiters have admitted it's been a failure, Farage is one, Eustace has said the trade deals weren't good, frost also said pretty much the same thing...what's been good about it?"Did I say it has gone well? I really think you should learn how to read. I think we'd have better interactions. | |||
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"This is where it turns from the sublime to the ridiculous. It's hardly a disaster
How's it gone well? A lot of brexiters have admitted it's been a failure, Farage is one, Eustace has said the trade deals weren't good, frost also said pretty much the same thing...what's been good about it?
Did I say it has gone well?
I really think you should learn how to read. I think we'd have better interactions. "How would you describe a hit to GDP worse than the COVID pandemic? | |||
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"This is where it turns from the sublime to the ridiculous. It's hardly a disaster
How's it gone well? A lot of brexiters have admitted it's been a failure, Farage is one, Eustace has said the trade deals weren't good, frost also said pretty much the same thing...what's been good about it?
Did I say it has gone well?
I really think you should learn how to read. I think we'd have better interactions.
How would you describe a hit to GDP worse than the COVID pandemic?"Worse? That's subjective. One compounded the other. | |||
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"This is where it turns from the sublime to the ridiculous. It's hardly a disaster
How's it gone well? A lot of brexiters have admitted it's been a failure, Farage is one, Eustace has said the trade deals weren't good, frost also said pretty much the same thing...what's been good about it?
Did I say it has gone well?
I really think you should learn how to read. I think we'd have better interactions.
How would you describe a hit to GDP worse than the COVID pandemic?
Worse? That's subjective.
One compounded the other. ""The impact of Brexit on the UK economy will be worse in the long run compared to the coronavirus pandemic, the chairman of the Office for Budget Responsibility has said. Richard Hughes said leaving the EU would reduce the UK's potential GDP by about 4% in the long term. He said forecasts showed the pandemic would reduce GDP "by a further 2%". "In the long term it is the case that Brexit has a bigger impact than the pandemic", he told the BBC." Another recent study found they were at a similar level to be fair, but we are comparing Brexit with a pandemic here and it's not coming out well. | |||
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"This is where it turns from the sublime to the ridiculous. It's hardly a disaster
How's it gone well? A lot of brexiters have admitted it's been a failure, Farage is one, Eustace has said the trade deals weren't good, frost also said pretty much the same thing...what's been good about it?
Did I say it has gone well?
I really think you should learn how to read. I think we'd have better interactions.
How would you describe a hit to GDP worse than the COVID pandemic?
Worse? That's subjective.
One compounded the other.
"The impact of Brexit on the UK economy will be worse in the long run compared to the coronavirus pandemic, the chairman of the Office for Budget Responsibility has said.
Richard Hughes said leaving the EU would reduce the UK's potential GDP by about 4% in the long term.
He said forecasts showed the pandemic would reduce GDP "by a further 2%".
"In the long term it is the case that Brexit has a bigger impact than the pandemic", he told the BBC."
Another recent study found they were at a similar level to be fair, but we are comparing Brexit with a pandemic here and it's not coming out well."Who's comparing? Only you I think. I'm well aware of what OBR say. Can you tell me the last time a short term forecast was correct let alone a long term one? And what is 'in the long term'? I ask because plenty of people like to point to that statement when talking down Brexit but dismiss 'it'll take time'. It appears 'in time' suits when it suits and not when it doesn't. You have almost exactly the same argument as every other Brexit Basher | |||
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"Of course the point of buying or selling goods to other countries is relevant! It shows that we can import / export rather easily to most countries in the world, and over time once we have overcome the hump of change it will become a simpler exercise to trade with the EU. The delays are mainly due to uncertainty. I'm sorry, what are you referring to here? You and your endless twisting of a very simple question that was posed. You seem to have gone out of your way to be difficult. We have delays with import and export to the the EU mainly at a small business level, due to confusion and not being prepared. Those issues will disappear over time, as have our trades with other countries. How had I? Look above feisty admits that China has nothing to do with Exports to the EU, The user also said that they haven't seen much increase in Import prices and then said they don't import from the EU so that was another irrelevance to the post. As for your argument that it'll take time and it's a teething issue...It's been three years and businesses are going under what consolation is that? How long will these teething issues go on for? 10 years? For as long as it takes small business to adapt. What did you think was going to happen? I thought it'd be a disaster, hence why I didn't vote to leave. It hasn’t been a disaster has it? A change, not a disaster. " We were told there was no possible downside, remember? | |||
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"This is where it turns from the sublime to the ridiculous. It's hardly a disaster
How's it gone well? A lot of brexiters have admitted it's been a failure, Farage is one, Eustace has said the trade deals weren't good, frost also said pretty much the same thing...what's been good about it?
Did I say it has gone well?
I really think you should learn how to read. I think we'd have better interactions.
How would you describe a hit to GDP worse than the COVID pandemic?
Worse? That's subjective.
One compounded the other.
"The impact of Brexit on the UK economy will be worse in the long run compared to the coronavirus pandemic, the chairman of the Office for Budget Responsibility has said.
Richard Hughes said leaving the EU would reduce the UK's potential GDP by about 4% in the long term.
He said forecasts showed the pandemic would reduce GDP "by a further 2%".
"In the long term it is the case that Brexit has a bigger impact than the pandemic", he told the BBC."
Another recent study found they were at a similar level to be fair, but we are comparing Brexit with a pandemic here and it's not coming out well.
Who's comparing? Only you I think.
I'm well aware of what OBR say.
Can you tell me the last time a short term forecast was correct let alone a long term one?
And what is 'in the long term'?
I ask because plenty of people like to point to that statement when talking down Brexit but dismiss 'it'll take time'. It appears 'in time' suits when it suits and not when it doesn't.
You have almost exactly the same argument as every other Brexit Basher "The 4 percent hit to GDP has turned out to be broadly correct, can you name a financial upside to brexit or even just an upside. | |||
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"This is where it turns from the sublime to the ridiculous. It's hardly a disaster
How's it gone well? A lot of brexiters have admitted it's been a failure, Farage is one, Eustace has said the trade deals weren't good, frost also said pretty much the same thing...what's been good about it?
Did I say it has gone well?
I really think you should learn how to read. I think we'd have better interactions.
How would you describe a hit to GDP worse than the COVID pandemic?
Worse? That's subjective.
One compounded the other.
"The impact of Brexit on the UK economy will be worse in the long run compared to the coronavirus pandemic, the chairman of the Office for Budget Responsibility has said.
Richard Hughes said leaving the EU would reduce the UK's potential GDP by about 4% in the long term.
He said forecasts showed the pandemic would reduce GDP "by a further 2%".
"In the long term it is the case that Brexit has a bigger impact than the pandemic", he told the BBC."
Another recent study found they were at a similar level to be fair, but we are comparing Brexit with a pandemic here and it's not coming out well.
Who's comparing? Only you I think.
I'm well aware of what OBR say.
Can you tell me the last time a short term forecast was correct let alone a long term one?
And what is 'in the long term'?
I ask because plenty of people like to point to that statement when talking down Brexit but dismiss 'it'll take time'. It appears 'in time' suits when it suits and not when it doesn't.
You have almost exactly the same argument as every other Brexit Basher
The 4 percent hit to GDP has turned out to be broadly correct, can you name a financial upside to brexit or even just an upside."Has it?? You have plenty of questions but no answers, yet earlier were complaining that I wouldn't answer you
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"This is where it turns from the sublime to the ridiculous. It's hardly a disaster
How's it gone well? A lot of brexiters have admitted it's been a failure, Farage is one, Eustace has said the trade deals weren't good, frost also said pretty much the same thing...what's been good about it?
Did I say it has gone well?
I really think you should learn how to read. I think we'd have better interactions.
How would you describe a hit to GDP worse than the COVID pandemic?
Worse? That's subjective.
One compounded the other.
"The impact of Brexit on the UK economy will be worse in the long run compared to the coronavirus pandemic, the chairman of the Office for Budget Responsibility has said.
Richard Hughes said leaving the EU would reduce the UK's potential GDP by about 4% in the long term.
He said forecasts showed the pandemic would reduce GDP "by a further 2%".
"In the long term it is the case that Brexit has a bigger impact than the pandemic", he told the BBC."
Another recent study found they were at a similar level to be fair, but we are comparing Brexit with a pandemic here and it's not coming out well.
Who's comparing? Only you I think.
I'm well aware of what OBR say.
Can you tell me the last time a short term forecast was correct let alone a long term one?
And what is 'in the long term'?
I ask because plenty of people like to point to that statement when talking down Brexit but dismiss 'it'll take time'. It appears 'in time' suits when it suits and not when it doesn't.
You have almost exactly the same argument as every other Brexit Basher
The 4 percent hit to GDP has turned out to be broadly correct, can you name a financial upside to brexit or even just an upside.
Has it??
You have plenty of questions but no answers, yet earlier were complaining that I wouldn't answer you
Did I say there had been any upsides to Brexit?"How did you vote in the referendum? | |||
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"The 4 percent hit to GDP has been broadly correct is an answer. It's not my fault you looked silly earlier." Is it? Did I look silly? Usually when I look silly round here, there's plenty who can't wait to jump on me, seeing as that didn't happen, I'll assume that's not the case
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"The 4 percent hit to GDP has been broadly correct is an answer. It's not my fault you looked silly earlier. Is it? Did I look silly? Usually when I look silly round here, there's plenty who can't wait to jump on me, seeing as that didn't happen, I'll assume that's not the case
I voted Remain, not really sure why that matters though. "Check out full fact and the OBRs analysis. Why did you vote remain? | |||
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"The 4 percent hit to GDP has been broadly correct is an answer. It's not my fault you looked silly earlier. Is it? Did I look silly? Usually when I look silly round here, there's plenty who can't wait to jump on me, seeing as that didn't happen, I'll assume that's not the case
I voted Remain, not really sure why that matters though. "You've still to explain how imports from China and exports to the EU are comparable by the way. And also why you chose to share anecdotal evidence of non EU import costs going up when we were talking about EU costs, only admitting they were non EU when pressed. | |||
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"The 4 percent hit to GDP has been broadly correct is an answer. It's not my fault you looked silly earlier. Is it? Did I look silly? Usually when I look silly round here, there's plenty who can't wait to jump on me, seeing as that didn't happen, I'll assume that's not the case
I voted Remain, not really sure why that matters though.
Check out full fact and the OBRs analysis.
Why did you vote remain?
"I don't need to check them out. You make the claim, you back it up. If you don't want to, that's cool but I'm free to disagree. I voted Remain mostly because I didn't want to lose freedom of movement (that's the simple answer). | |||
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"The 4 percent hit to GDP has been broadly correct is an answer. It's not my fault you looked silly earlier. Is it? Did I look silly? Usually when I look silly round here, there's plenty who can't wait to jump on me, seeing as that didn't happen, I'll assume that's not the case
I voted Remain, not really sure why that matters though.
You've still to explain how imports from China and exports to the EU are comparable by the way.
And also why you chose to share anecdotal evidence of non EU import costs going up when we were talking about EU costs, only admitting they were non EU when pressed."I've already explained why they're comparable, if you don't (want to) understand I can't help. Only admitting when pressed? I said in my first post they were not EU, unless you think China is in the EU
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"The 4 percent hit to GDP has been broadly correct is an answer. It's not my fault you looked silly earlier. Is it? Did I look silly? Usually when I look silly round here, there's plenty who can't wait to jump on me, seeing as that didn't happen, I'll assume that's not the case
I voted Remain, not really sure why that matters though.
Check out full fact and the OBRs analysis.
Why did you vote remain?
I don't need to check them out. You make the claim, you back it up. If you don't want to, that's cool but I'm free to disagree.
I voted Remain mostly because I didn't want to lose freedom of movement (that's the simple answer).""The OBR were slightly too optimistic On the flipside, the Office for Budget Responsibility (OBR), which provides independent forecasts to the Treasury, weren’t pessimistic enough about the effect the referendum on GDP growth. In its last economic forecast before the referendum in March 2018, the OBR forecasted GDP to grow by roughly 6.4% between 2015 and 2018. Post-referendum the OBR revised this down to roughly 5.3%—slightly higher than the actual GDP growth of 4.9%. Economic forecasts often get a lot of criticism for being inaccurate. We’ve written before about the OBR’s consistently over-optimistic forecasts and also how employment rose post-referendum in contrast with the Treasury’s forecast employment would fall. But it does seem that once it became clear we were leaving the EU, economists forecasted the impact of the referendum vote on GDP fairly accurately over the space of two years?although the difference in how quickly economic growth slowed down is still important." | |||
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"The 4 percent hit to GDP has been broadly correct is an answer. It's not my fault you looked silly earlier. Is it? Did I look silly? Usually when I look silly round here, there's plenty who can't wait to jump on me, seeing as that didn't happen, I'll assume that's not the case
I voted Remain, not really sure why that matters though.
Check out full fact and the OBRs analysis.
Why did you vote remain?
I don't need to check them out. You make the claim, you back it up. If you don't want to, that's cool but I'm free to disagree.
I voted Remain mostly because I didn't want to lose freedom of movement (that's the simple answer).
"The OBR were slightly too optimistic
On the flipside, the Office for Budget Responsibility (OBR), which provides independent forecasts to the Treasury, weren’t pessimistic enough about the effect the referendum on GDP growth.
In its last economic forecast before the referendum in March 2018, the OBR forecasted GDP to grow by roughly 6.4% between 2015 and 2018. Post-referendum the OBR revised this down to roughly 5.3%—slightly higher than the actual GDP growth of 4.9%.
Economic forecasts often get a lot of criticism for being inaccurate. We’ve written before about the OBR’s consistently over-optimistic forecasts and also how employment rose post-referendum in contrast with the Treasury’s forecast employment would fall.
But it does seem that once it became clear we were leaving the EU, economists forecasted the impact of the referendum vote on GDP fairly accurately over the space of two years?although the difference in how quickly economic growth slowed down is still important.""What's all that gobbledygook? It certainly doesn't support your claim | |||
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"This is where it turns from the sublime to the ridiculous. It's hardly a disaster
How's it gone well? A lot of brexiters have admitted it's been a failure, Farage is one, Eustace has said the trade deals weren't good, frost also said pretty much the same thing...what's been good about it?
Did I say it has gone well?
I really think you should learn how to read. I think we'd have better interactions.
How would you describe a hit to GDP worse than the COVID pandemic?
Worse? That's subjective.
One compounded the other.
"The impact of Brexit on the UK economy will be worse in the long run compared to the coronavirus pandemic, the chairman of the Office for Budget Responsibility has said.
Richard Hughes said leaving the EU would reduce the UK's potential GDP by about 4% in the long term.
He said forecasts showed the pandemic would reduce GDP "by a further 2%".
"In the long term it is the case that Brexit has a bigger impact than the pandemic", he told the BBC."
Another recent study found they were at a similar level to be fair, but we are comparing Brexit with a pandemic here and it's not coming out well.
Who's comparing? Only you I think.
I'm well aware of what OBR say.
Can you tell me the last time a short term forecast was correct let alone a long term one?
And what is 'in the long term'?
I ask because plenty of people like to point to that statement when talking down Brexit but dismiss 'it'll take time'. It appears 'in time' suits when it suits and not when it doesn't.
You have almost exactly the same argument as every other Brexit Basher
The 4 percent hit to GDP has turned out to be broadly correct, can you name a financial upside to brexit or even just an upside.
Has it??
You have plenty of questions but no answers, yet earlier were complaining that I wouldn't answer you
Did I say there had been any upsides to Brexit?
How did you vote in the referendum?"I also voted remain. I'm also not the type of person to live in the past, and I have learnt that to move forward in life you make the most of what is is on offer. I honestly feel sorry for the people who can't let go, can't move forward and continually moan about how they are right and they were wrong, the constant grief they go through must be horrendous. it is that blinkered vision that makes any form of discussion always end in the same place, nowhere. Nobody can predict the outcome of Brexit, it is a real near term view that we are at now, it can't be used for success or failure. It will take another 10 years before we know the actual impacts of the decision of leaving the EU. | |||
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"I see various comments above on my original post on my own experience exporting and importing from Europe. It is so obviously related to Brexit it is not worthy of discussion in my case. On selling to Europe obviously in the past there was no customs checks, no import duty, no VAT and no fees to clear customs. Things just sailed through in similar time frames to sending to UK almost and at no cost. Now there is almost always a cost to the final customer. It varies but in broad terms it's an extra 20%. As for time delays well if lucky it is a few days but sometimes a week. Paperwork is fine (these are small consumer items typically £50-300 value) but it just takes time to get through the system. Customs/local courier contacts customer regarding payment etc. Sometimes take a while for that contact to me made and everything to be processed. This is not the EU being incompetent or men as it is similar sending items elsewhere in the world. The point is it used to be frictionless in terms of time and cost and now it isn't. A few days and say 20% doesn't sound like much but it stops people ordering again and they will find an alternative from within the EU. Importing. I don't do this directly but through wholesalers and time is not an issue. However, cost most definitely is. Products from the EU countries went up in price very significantly as soon as new regime after leaving kicked in. Of course because now the importing wholesaler has to pay import duty, customs clearance charges etc. These are all new charges and they get passed on. Of course this is same as products from other countries outside the EU but it just means we are not competitive selling EU products back to the EU now and in our field there are a lot of branded popular products coming from EU countries. We are not a big business small businesses are the lifeblood of the economy and sure our experiences are being replicated many thousands of times over. It is just so obvious if you introduce friction into a previous frictionless system you will see a negative effect. Ideally there are some offsetting positive effects but yet to see them (eg frictionless trade deal with US - obviously not going to happen). What is holding back UK manufacturing from making and supplying direct to the UK public those more expensive items coming in from the EU? Our service based economy. Time for change and investment Given the lag involved, don’t expect a government to invest heavily in something that will only potentially come to fruition years after they’re out of office." I wasn't talking about the government investing, I'm talking about business. I have said this before, you look to the government for all your answers, that is why you are always going to be disappointed | |||
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"This is where it turns from the sublime to the ridiculous. It's hardly a disaster
How's it gone well? A lot of brexiters have admitted it's been a failure, Farage is one, Eustace has said the trade deals weren't good, frost also said pretty much the same thing...what's been good about it?
Did I say it has gone well?
I really think you should learn how to read. I think we'd have better interactions.
How would you describe a hit to GDP worse than the COVID pandemic?
Worse? That's subjective.
One compounded the other.
"The impact of Brexit on the UK economy will be worse in the long run compared to the coronavirus pandemic, the chairman of the Office for Budget Responsibility has said.
Richard Hughes said leaving the EU would reduce the UK's potential GDP by about 4% in the long term.
He said forecasts showed the pandemic would reduce GDP "by a further 2%".
"In the long term it is the case that Brexit has a bigger impact than the pandemic", he told the BBC."
Another recent study found they were at a similar level to be fair, but we are comparing Brexit with a pandemic here and it's not coming out well.
Who's comparing? Only you I think.
I'm well aware of what OBR say.
Can you tell me the last time a short term forecast was correct let alone a long term one?
And what is 'in the long term'?
I ask because plenty of people like to point to that statement when talking down Brexit but dismiss 'it'll take time'. It appears 'in time' suits when it suits and not when it doesn't.
You have almost exactly the same argument as every other Brexit Basher
The 4 percent hit to GDP has turned out to be broadly correct, can you name a financial upside to brexit or even just an upside.
Has it??
You have plenty of questions but no answers, yet earlier were complaining that I wouldn't answer you
Did I say there had been any upsides to Brexit?
How did you vote in the referendum?
I also voted remain.
I'm also not the type of person to live in the past, and I have learnt that to move forward in life you make the most of what is is on offer.
I honestly feel sorry for the people who can't let go, can't move forward and continually moan about how they are right and they were wrong, the constant grief they go through must be horrendous.
it is that blinkered vision that makes any form of discussion always end in the same place, nowhere.
Nobody can predict the outcome of Brexit, it is a real near term view that we are at now, it can't be used for success or failure. It will take another 10 years before we know the actual impacts of the decision of leaving the EU."Of course you can, leaving a massive trading block and putting trade barriers up is always going to damage you economically. That's like finding out you have cancer and not getting it treated because ...oh well | |||
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"This is where it turns from the sublime to the ridiculous. It's hardly a disaster
How's it gone well? A lot of brexiters have admitted it's been a failure, Farage is one, Eustace has said the trade deals weren't good, frost also said pretty much the same thing...what's been good about it?
Did I say it has gone well?
I really think you should learn how to read. I think we'd have better interactions.
How would you describe a hit to GDP worse than the COVID pandemic?
Worse? That's subjective.
One compounded the other.
"The impact of Brexit on the UK economy will be worse in the long run compared to the coronavirus pandemic, the chairman of the Office for Budget Responsibility has said.
Richard Hughes said leaving the EU would reduce the UK's potential GDP by about 4% in the long term.
He said forecasts showed the pandemic would reduce GDP "by a further 2%".
"In the long term it is the case that Brexit has a bigger impact than the pandemic", he told the BBC."
Another recent study found they were at a similar level to be fair, but we are comparing Brexit with a pandemic here and it's not coming out well.
Who's comparing? Only you I think.
I'm well aware of what OBR say.
Can you tell me the last time a short term forecast was correct let alone a long term one?
And what is 'in the long term'?
I ask because plenty of people like to point to that statement when talking down Brexit but dismiss 'it'll take time'. It appears 'in time' suits when it suits and not when it doesn't.
You have almost exactly the same argument as every other Brexit Basher
The 4 percent hit to GDP has turned out to be broadly correct, can you name a financial upside to brexit or even just an upside.
Has it??
You have plenty of questions but no answers, yet earlier were complaining that I wouldn't answer you
Did I say there had been any upsides to Brexit?
How did you vote in the referendum?
I also voted remain.
I'm also not the type of person to live in the past, and I have learnt that to move forward in life you make the most of what is is on offer.
I honestly feel sorry for the people who can't let go, can't move forward and continually moan about how they are right and they were wrong, the constant grief they go through must be horrendous.
it is that blinkered vision that makes any form of discussion always end in the same place, nowhere.
Nobody can predict the outcome of Brexit, it is a real near term view that we are at now, it can't be used for success or failure. It will take another 10 years before we know the actual impacts of the decision of leaving the EU.
Of course you can, leaving a massive trading block and putting trade barriers up is always going to damage you economically.
That's like finding out you have cancer and not getting it treated because ...oh well "You are failing to look at potential and are holding onto the obvious fallout from exiting a trade deal. To discuss things in a more rounded and productive way, that starting point needs lifting | |||
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"This is where it turns from the sublime to the ridiculous. It's hardly a disaster
How's it gone well? A lot of brexiters have admitted it's been a failure, Farage is one, Eustace has said the trade deals weren't good, frost also said pretty much the same thing...what's been good about it?
Did I say it has gone well?
I really think you should learn how to read. I think we'd have better interactions.
How would you describe a hit to GDP worse than the COVID pandemic?
Worse? That's subjective.
One compounded the other.
"The impact of Brexit on the UK economy will be worse in the long run compared to the coronavirus pandemic, the chairman of the Office for Budget Responsibility has said.
Richard Hughes said leaving the EU would reduce the UK's potential GDP by about 4% in the long term.
He said forecasts showed the pandemic would reduce GDP "by a further 2%".
"In the long term it is the case that Brexit has a bigger impact than the pandemic", he told the BBC."
Another recent study found they were at a similar level to be fair, but we are comparing Brexit with a pandemic here and it's not coming out well.
Who's comparing? Only you I think.
I'm well aware of what OBR say.
Can you tell me the last time a short term forecast was correct let alone a long term one?
And what is 'in the long term'?
I ask because plenty of people like to point to that statement when talking down Brexit but dismiss 'it'll take time'. It appears 'in time' suits when it suits and not when it doesn't.
You have almost exactly the same argument as every other Brexit Basher
The 4 percent hit to GDP has turned out to be broadly correct, can you name a financial upside to brexit or even just an upside.
Has it??
You have plenty of questions but no answers, yet earlier were complaining that I wouldn't answer you
Did I say there had been any upsides to Brexit?
How did you vote in the referendum?
I also voted remain.
I'm also not the type of person to live in the past, and I have learnt that to move forward in life you make the most of what is is on offer.
I honestly feel sorry for the people who can't let go, can't move forward and continually moan about how they are right and they were wrong, the constant grief they go through must be horrendous.
it is that blinkered vision that makes any form of discussion always end in the same place, nowhere.
Nobody can predict the outcome of Brexit, it is a real near term view that we are at now, it can't be used for success or failure. It will take another 10 years before we know the actual impacts of the decision of leaving the EU.
Of course you can, leaving a massive trading block and putting trade barriers up is always going to damage you economically.
That's like finding out you have cancer and not getting it treated because ...oh well "You've now been blocked to stop you DM me your replies. You've had enough warnings. Keep it in the forum. | |||
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"This is where it turns from the sublime to the ridiculous. It's hardly a disaster
How's it gone well? A lot of brexiters have admitted it's been a failure, Farage is one, Eustace has said the trade deals weren't good, frost also said pretty much the same thing...what's been good about it?
Did I say it has gone well?
I really think you should learn how to read. I think we'd have better interactions.
How would you describe a hit to GDP worse than the COVID pandemic?
Worse? That's subjective.
One compounded the other.
"The impact of Brexit on the UK economy will be worse in the long run compared to the coronavirus pandemic, the chairman of the Office for Budget Responsibility has said.
Richard Hughes said leaving the EU would reduce the UK's potential GDP by about 4% in the long term.
He said forecasts showed the pandemic would reduce GDP "by a further 2%".
"In the long term it is the case that Brexit has a bigger impact than the pandemic", he told the BBC."
Another recent study found they were at a similar level to be fair, but we are comparing Brexit with a pandemic here and it's not coming out well.
Who's comparing? Only you I think.
I'm well aware of what OBR say.
Can you tell me the last time a short term forecast was correct let alone a long term one?
And what is 'in the long term'?
I ask because plenty of people like to point to that statement when talking down Brexit but dismiss 'it'll take time'. It appears 'in time' suits when it suits and not when it doesn't.
You have almost exactly the same argument as every other Brexit Basher
The 4 percent hit to GDP has turned out to be broadly correct, can you name a financial upside to brexit or even just an upside.
Has it??
You have plenty of questions but no answers, yet earlier were complaining that I wouldn't answer you
Did I say there had been any upsides to Brexit?
How did you vote in the referendum?
I also voted remain.
I'm also not the type of person to live in the past, and I have learnt that to move forward in life you make the most of what is is on offer.
I honestly feel sorry for the people who can't let go, can't move forward and continually moan about how they are right and they were wrong, the constant grief they go through must be horrendous.
it is that blinkered vision that makes any form of discussion always end in the same place, nowhere.
Nobody can predict the outcome of Brexit, it is a real near term view that we are at now, it can't be used for success or failure. It will take another 10 years before we know the actual impacts of the decision of leaving the EU.
Of course you can, leaving a massive trading block and putting trade barriers up is always going to damage you economically.
That's like finding out you have cancer and not getting it treated because ...oh well
You are failing to look at potential and are holding onto the obvious fallout from exiting a trade deal.
To discuss things in a more rounded and productive way, that starting point needs lifting"We left the EU over 3.5 years ago. When does that ‘potential’ start to give way to reality? | |||
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"This is where it turns from the sublime to the ridiculous. It's hardly a disaster
How's it gone well? A lot of brexiters have admitted it's been a failure, Farage is one, Eustace has said the trade deals weren't good, frost also said pretty much the same thing...what's been good about it?
Did I say it has gone well?
I really think you should learn how to read. I think we'd have better interactions.
How would you describe a hit to GDP worse than the COVID pandemic?
Worse? That's subjective.
One compounded the other.
"The impact of Brexit on the UK economy will be worse in the long run compared to the coronavirus pandemic, the chairman of the Office for Budget Responsibility has said.
Richard Hughes said leaving the EU would reduce the UK's potential GDP by about 4% in the long term.
He said forecasts showed the pandemic would reduce GDP "by a further 2%".
"In the long term it is the case that Brexit has a bigger impact than the pandemic", he told the BBC."
Another recent study found they were at a similar level to be fair, but we are comparing Brexit with a pandemic here and it's not coming out well.
Who's comparing? Only you I think.
I'm well aware of what OBR say.
Can you tell me the last time a short term forecast was correct let alone a long term one?
And what is 'in the long term'?
I ask because plenty of people like to point to that statement when talking down Brexit but dismiss 'it'll take time'. It appears 'in time' suits when it suits and not when it doesn't.
You have almost exactly the same argument as every other Brexit Basher
The 4 percent hit to GDP has turned out to be broadly correct, can you name a financial upside to brexit or even just an upside.
Has it??
You have plenty of questions but no answers, yet earlier were complaining that I wouldn't answer you
Did I say there had been any upsides to Brexit?
How did you vote in the referendum?
I also voted remain.
I'm also not the type of person to live in the past, and I have learnt that to move forward in life you make the most of what is is on offer.
I honestly feel sorry for the people who can't let go, can't move forward and continually moan about how they are right and they were wrong, the constant grief they go through must be horrendous.
it is that blinkered vision that makes any form of discussion always end in the same place, nowhere.
Nobody can predict the outcome of Brexit, it is a real near term view that we are at now, it can't be used for success or failure. It will take another 10 years before we know the actual impacts of the decision of leaving the EU.
Of course you can, leaving a massive trading block and putting trade barriers up is always going to damage you economically.
That's like finding out you have cancer and not getting it treated because ...oh well
You are failing to look at potential and are holding onto the obvious fallout from exiting a trade deal.
To discuss things in a more rounded and productive way, that starting point needs lifting
We left the EU over 3.5 years ago. When does that ‘potential’ start to give way to reality? "I'm interested in when we will have some info on the potential too. | |||
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"This is where it turns from the sublime to the ridiculous. It's hardly a disaster
How's it gone well? A lot of brexiters have admitted it's been a failure, Farage is one, Eustace has said the trade deals weren't good, frost also said pretty much the same thing...what's been good about it?
Did I say it has gone well?
I really think you should learn how to read. I think we'd have better interactions.
How would you describe a hit to GDP worse than the COVID pandemic?
Worse? That's subjective.
One compounded the other.
"The impact of Brexit on the UK economy will be worse in the long run compared to the coronavirus pandemic, the chairman of the Office for Budget Responsibility has said.
Richard Hughes said leaving the EU would reduce the UK's potential GDP by about 4% in the long term.
He said forecasts showed the pandemic would reduce GDP "by a further 2%".
"In the long term it is the case that Brexit has a bigger impact than the pandemic", he told the BBC."
Another recent study found they were at a similar level to be fair, but we are comparing Brexit with a pandemic here and it's not coming out well.
Who's comparing? Only you I think.
I'm well aware of what OBR say.
Can you tell me the last time a short term forecast was correct let alone a long term one?
And what is 'in the long term'?
I ask because plenty of people like to point to that statement when talking down Brexit but dismiss 'it'll take time'. It appears 'in time' suits when it suits and not when it doesn't.
You have almost exactly the same argument as every other Brexit Basher
The 4 percent hit to GDP has turned out to be broadly correct, can you name a financial upside to brexit or even just an upside.
Has it??
You have plenty of questions but no answers, yet earlier were complaining that I wouldn't answer you
Did I say there had been any upsides to Brexit?
How did you vote in the referendum?
I also voted remain.
I'm also not the type of person to live in the past, and I have learnt that to move forward in life you make the most of what is is on offer.
I honestly feel sorry for the people who can't let go, can't move forward and continually moan about how they are right and they were wrong, the constant grief they go through must be horrendous.
it is that blinkered vision that makes any form of discussion always end in the same place, nowhere.
Nobody can predict the outcome of Brexit, it is a real near term view that we are at now, it can't be used for success or failure. It will take another 10 years before we know the actual impacts of the decision of leaving the EU.
Of course you can, leaving a massive trading block and putting trade barriers up is always going to damage you economically.
That's like finding out you have cancer and not getting it treated because ...oh well
You are failing to look at potential and are holding onto the obvious fallout from exiting a trade deal.
To discuss things in a more rounded and productive way, that starting point needs lifting
We left the EU over 3.5 years ago. When does that ‘potential’ start to give way to reality?
I'm interested in when we will have some info on the potential too. "I will address you both: The success or lack of, leaving the EU will not be known for a number of years. The success or failure will never be measured in FOM, or short term pain or gain. | |||
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"This is where it turns from the sublime to the ridiculous. It's hardly a disaster
How's it gone well? A lot of brexiters have admitted it's been a failure, Farage is one, Eustace has said the trade deals weren't good, frost also said pretty much the same thing...what's been good about it?
Did I say it has gone well?
I really think you should learn how to read. I think we'd have better interactions.
How would you describe a hit to GDP worse than the COVID pandemic?
Worse? That's subjective.
One compounded the other.
"The impact of Brexit on the UK economy will be worse in the long run compared to the coronavirus pandemic, the chairman of the Office for Budget Responsibility has said.
Richard Hughes said leaving the EU would reduce the UK's potential GDP by about 4% in the long term.
He said forecasts showed the pandemic would reduce GDP "by a further 2%".
"In the long term it is the case that Brexit has a bigger impact than the pandemic", he told the BBC."
Another recent study found they were at a similar level to be fair, but we are comparing Brexit with a pandemic here and it's not coming out well.
Who's comparing? Only you I think.
I'm well aware of what OBR say.
Can you tell me the last time a short term forecast was correct let alone a long term one?
And what is 'in the long term'?
I ask because plenty of people like to point to that statement when talking down Brexit but dismiss 'it'll take time'. It appears 'in time' suits when it suits and not when it doesn't.
You have almost exactly the same argument as every other Brexit Basher
The 4 percent hit to GDP has turned out to be broadly correct, can you name a financial upside to brexit or even just an upside.
Has it??
You have plenty of questions but no answers, yet earlier were complaining that I wouldn't answer you
Did I say there had been any upsides to Brexit?
How did you vote in the referendum?
I also voted remain.
I'm also not the type of person to live in the past, and I have learnt that to move forward in life you make the most of what is is on offer.
I honestly feel sorry for the people who can't let go, can't move forward and continually moan about how they are right and they were wrong, the constant grief they go through must be horrendous.
it is that blinkered vision that makes any form of discussion always end in the same place, nowhere.
Nobody can predict the outcome of Brexit, it is a real near term view that we are at now, it can't be used for success or failure. It will take another 10 years before we know the actual impacts of the decision of leaving the EU.
Of course you can, leaving a massive trading block and putting trade barriers up is always going to damage you economically.
That's like finding out you have cancer and not getting it treated because ...oh well
You've now been blocked to stop you DM me your replies. You've had enough warnings. Keep it in the forum."Don't remember sending you a message in that period? If I have apologies for pressing the wrong button, you still are yet to explain the whole china thing | |||
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"This is where it turns from the sublime to the ridiculous. It's hardly a disaster
How's it gone well? A lot of brexiters have admitted it's been a failure, Farage is one, Eustace has said the trade deals weren't good, frost also said pretty much the same thing...what's been good about it?
Did I say it has gone well?
I really think you should learn how to read. I think we'd have better interactions.
How would you describe a hit to GDP worse than the COVID pandemic?
Worse? That's subjective.
One compounded the other.
"The impact of Brexit on the UK economy will be worse in the long run compared to the coronavirus pandemic, the chairman of the Office for Budget Responsibility has said.
Richard Hughes said leaving the EU would reduce the UK's potential GDP by about 4% in the long term.
He said forecasts showed the pandemic would reduce GDP "by a further 2%".
"In the long term it is the case that Brexit has a bigger impact than the pandemic", he told the BBC."
Another recent study found they were at a similar level to be fair, but we are comparing Brexit with a pandemic here and it's not coming out well.
Who's comparing? Only you I think.
I'm well aware of what OBR say.
Can you tell me the last time a short term forecast was correct let alone a long term one?
And what is 'in the long term'?
I ask because plenty of people like to point to that statement when talking down Brexit but dismiss 'it'll take time'. It appears 'in time' suits when it suits and not when it doesn't.
You have almost exactly the same argument as every other Brexit Basher
The 4 percent hit to GDP has turned out to be broadly correct, can you name a financial upside to brexit or even just an upside.
Has it??
You have plenty of questions but no answers, yet earlier were complaining that I wouldn't answer you
Did I say there had been any upsides to Brexit?
How did you vote in the referendum?
I also voted remain.
I'm also not the type of person to live in the past, and I have learnt that to move forward in life you make the most of what is is on offer.
I honestly feel sorry for the people who can't let go, can't move forward and continually moan about how they are right and they were wrong, the constant grief they go through must be horrendous.
it is that blinkered vision that makes any form of discussion always end in the same place, nowhere.
Nobody can predict the outcome of Brexit, it is a real near term view that we are at now, it can't be used for success or failure. It will take another 10 years before we know the actual impacts of the decision of leaving the EU.
Of course you can, leaving a massive trading block and putting trade barriers up is always going to damage you economically.
That's like finding out you have cancer and not getting it treated because ...oh well
You are failing to look at potential and are holding onto the obvious fallout from exiting a trade deal.
To discuss things in a more rounded and productive way, that starting point needs lifting
We left the EU over 3.5 years ago. When does that ‘potential’ start to give way to reality?
I'm interested in when we will have some info on the potential too.
I will address you both:
The success or lack of, leaving the EU will not be known for a number of years.
The success or failure will never be measured in FOM, or short term pain or gain."So when Nigel Farage says it's a failure you don't believe him? | |||
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"This is where it turns from the sublime to the ridiculous. It's hardly a disaster
How's it gone well? A lot of brexiters have admitted it's been a failure, Farage is one, Eustace has said the trade deals weren't good, frost also said pretty much the same thing...what's been good about it?
Did I say it has gone well?
I really think you should learn how to read. I think we'd have better interactions.
How would you describe a hit to GDP worse than the COVID pandemic?
Worse? That's subjective.
One compounded the other.
"The impact of Brexit on the UK economy will be worse in the long run compared to the coronavirus pandemic, the chairman of the Office for Budget Responsibility has said.
Richard Hughes said leaving the EU would reduce the UK's potential GDP by about 4% in the long term.
He said forecasts showed the pandemic would reduce GDP "by a further 2%".
"In the long term it is the case that Brexit has a bigger impact than the pandemic", he told the BBC."
Another recent study found they were at a similar level to be fair, but we are comparing Brexit with a pandemic here and it's not coming out well.
Who's comparing? Only you I think.
I'm well aware of what OBR say.
Can you tell me the last time a short term forecast was correct let alone a long term one?
And what is 'in the long term'?
I ask because plenty of people like to point to that statement when talking down Brexit but dismiss 'it'll take time'. It appears 'in time' suits when it suits and not when it doesn't.
You have almost exactly the same argument as every other Brexit Basher
The 4 percent hit to GDP has turned out to be broadly correct, can you name a financial upside to brexit or even just an upside.
Has it??
You have plenty of questions but no answers, yet earlier were complaining that I wouldn't answer you
Did I say there had been any upsides to Brexit?
How did you vote in the referendum?
I also voted remain.
I'm also not the type of person to live in the past, and I have learnt that to move forward in life you make the most of what is is on offer.
I honestly feel sorry for the people who can't let go, can't move forward and continually moan about how they are right and they were wrong, the constant grief they go through must be horrendous.
it is that blinkered vision that makes any form of discussion always end in the same place, nowhere.
Nobody can predict the outcome of Brexit, it is a real near term view that we are at now, it can't be used for success or failure. It will take another 10 years before we know the actual impacts of the decision of leaving the EU.
Of course you can, leaving a massive trading block and putting trade barriers up is always going to damage you economically.
That's like finding out you have cancer and not getting it treated because ...oh well
You are failing to look at potential and are holding onto the obvious fallout from exiting a trade deal.
To discuss things in a more rounded and productive way, that starting point needs lifting
We left the EU over 3.5 years ago. When does that ‘potential’ start to give way to reality?
I'm interested in when we will have some info on the potential too.
I will address you both:
The success or lack of, leaving the EU will not be known for a number of years.
The success or failure will never be measured in FOM, or short term pain or gain.
So when Nigel Farage says it's a failure you don't believe him?"Up your game!! Are you now saying Farage is a person you trust and will use his opinion to prove a point? | |||
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"This is where it turns from the sublime to the ridiculous. It's hardly a disaster
How's it gone well? A lot of brexiters have admitted it's been a failure, Farage is one, Eustace has said the trade deals weren't good, frost also said pretty much the same thing...what's been good about it?
Did I say it has gone well?
I really think you should learn how to read. I think we'd have better interactions.
How would you describe a hit to GDP worse than the COVID pandemic?
Worse? That's subjective.
One compounded the other.
"The impact of Brexit on the UK economy will be worse in the long run compared to the coronavirus pandemic, the chairman of the Office for Budget Responsibility has said.
Richard Hughes said leaving the EU would reduce the UK's potential GDP by about 4% in the long term.
He said forecasts showed the pandemic would reduce GDP "by a further 2%".
"In the long term it is the case that Brexit has a bigger impact than the pandemic", he told the BBC."
Another recent study found they were at a similar level to be fair, but we are comparing Brexit with a pandemic here and it's not coming out well.
Who's comparing? Only you I think.
I'm well aware of what OBR say.
Can you tell me the last time a short term forecast was correct let alone a long term one?
And what is 'in the long term'?
I ask because plenty of people like to point to that statement when talking down Brexit but dismiss 'it'll take time'. It appears 'in time' suits when it suits and not when it doesn't.
You have almost exactly the same argument as every other Brexit Basher
The 4 percent hit to GDP has turned out to be broadly correct, can you name a financial upside to brexit or even just an upside.
Has it??
You have plenty of questions but no answers, yet earlier were complaining that I wouldn't answer you
Did I say there had been any upsides to Brexit?
How did you vote in the referendum?
I also voted remain.
I'm also not the type of person to live in the past, and I have learnt that to move forward in life you make the most of what is is on offer.
I honestly feel sorry for the people who can't let go, can't move forward and continually moan about how they are right and they were wrong, the constant grief they go through must be horrendous.
it is that blinkered vision that makes any form of discussion always end in the same place, nowhere.
Nobody can predict the outcome of Brexit, it is a real near term view that we are at now, it can't be used for success or failure. It will take another 10 years before we know the actual impacts of the decision of leaving the EU.
Of course you can, leaving a massive trading block and putting trade barriers up is always going to damage you economically.
That's like finding out you have cancer and not getting it treated because ...oh well
You are failing to look at potential and are holding onto the obvious fallout from exiting a trade deal.
To discuss things in a more rounded and productive way, that starting point needs lifting
We left the EU over 3.5 years ago. When does that ‘potential’ start to give way to reality?
I'm interested in when we will have some info on the potential too.
I will address you both:
The success or lack of, leaving the EU will not be known for a number of years.
The success or failure will never be measured in FOM, or short term pain or gain."I'm a seriousness how do you think Brexit could be a success economically? What are you waiting for in the next 10 years? | |||
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"This is where it turns from the sublime to the ridiculous. It's hardly a disaster
How's it gone well? A lot of brexiters have admitted it's been a failure, Farage is one, Eustace has said the trade deals weren't good, frost also said pretty much the same thing...what's been good about it?
Did I say it has gone well?
I really think you should learn how to read. I think we'd have better interactions.
How would you describe a hit to GDP worse than the COVID pandemic?
Worse? That's subjective.
One compounded the other.
"The impact of Brexit on the UK economy will be worse in the long run compared to the coronavirus pandemic, the chairman of the Office for Budget Responsibility has said.
Richard Hughes said leaving the EU would reduce the UK's potential GDP by about 4% in the long term.
He said forecasts showed the pandemic would reduce GDP "by a further 2%".
"In the long term it is the case that Brexit has a bigger impact than the pandemic", he told the BBC."
Another recent study found they were at a similar level to be fair, but we are comparing Brexit with a pandemic here and it's not coming out well.
Who's comparing? Only you I think.
I'm well aware of what OBR say.
Can you tell me the last time a short term forecast was correct let alone a long term one?
And what is 'in the long term'?
I ask because plenty of people like to point to that statement when talking down Brexit but dismiss 'it'll take time'. It appears 'in time' suits when it suits and not when it doesn't.
You have almost exactly the same argument as every other Brexit Basher
The 4 percent hit to GDP has turned out to be broadly correct, can you name a financial upside to brexit or even just an upside.
Has it??
You have plenty of questions but no answers, yet earlier were complaining that I wouldn't answer you
Did I say there had been any upsides to Brexit?
How did you vote in the referendum?
I also voted remain.
I'm also not the type of person to live in the past, and I have learnt that to move forward in life you make the most of what is is on offer.
I honestly feel sorry for the people who can't let go, can't move forward and continually moan about how they are right and they were wrong, the constant grief they go through must be horrendous.
it is that blinkered vision that makes any form of discussion always end in the same place, nowhere.
Nobody can predict the outcome of Brexit, it is a real near term view that we are at now, it can't be used for success or failure. It will take another 10 years before we know the actual impacts of the decision of leaving the EU.
Of course you can, leaving a massive trading block and putting trade barriers up is always going to damage you economically.
That's like finding out you have cancer and not getting it treated because ...oh well
You are failing to look at potential and are holding onto the obvious fallout from exiting a trade deal.
To discuss things in a more rounded and productive way, that starting point needs lifting
We left the EU over 3.5 years ago. When does that ‘potential’ start to give way to reality?
I'm interested in when we will have some info on the potential too.
I will address you both:
The success or lack of, leaving the EU will not be known for a number of years.
The success or failure will never be measured in FOM, or short term pain or gain."That sounds like the sort of argument I’d expect from a brexiter when asked about why we’re not seeing the benefits they promised us. How long are we talking before we can respond properly to the question? 5 years? 10? 20? | |||
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"This is where it turns from the sublime to the ridiculous. It's hardly a disaster
How's it gone well? A lot of brexiters have admitted it's been a failure, Farage is one, Eustace has said the trade deals weren't good, frost also said pretty much the same thing...what's been good about it?
Did I say it has gone well?
I really think you should learn how to read. I think we'd have better interactions.
How would you describe a hit to GDP worse than the COVID pandemic?
Worse? That's subjective.
One compounded the other.
"The impact of Brexit on the UK economy will be worse in the long run compared to the coronavirus pandemic, the chairman of the Office for Budget Responsibility has said.
Richard Hughes said leaving the EU would reduce the UK's potential GDP by about 4% in the long term.
He said forecasts showed the pandemic would reduce GDP "by a further 2%".
"In the long term it is the case that Brexit has a bigger impact than the pandemic", he told the BBC."
Another recent study found they were at a similar level to be fair, but we are comparing Brexit with a pandemic here and it's not coming out well.
Who's comparing? Only you I think.
I'm well aware of what OBR say.
Can you tell me the last time a short term forecast was correct let alone a long term one?
And what is 'in the long term'?
I ask because plenty of people like to point to that statement when talking down Brexit but dismiss 'it'll take time'. It appears 'in time' suits when it suits and not when it doesn't.
You have almost exactly the same argument as every other Brexit Basher
The 4 percent hit to GDP has turned out to be broadly correct, can you name a financial upside to brexit or even just an upside.
Has it??
You have plenty of questions but no answers, yet earlier were complaining that I wouldn't answer you
Did I say there had been any upsides to Brexit?
How did you vote in the referendum?
I also voted remain.
I'm also not the type of person to live in the past, and I have learnt that to move forward in life you make the most of what is is on offer.
I honestly feel sorry for the people who can't let go, can't move forward and continually moan about how they are right and they were wrong, the constant grief they go through must be horrendous.
it is that blinkered vision that makes any form of discussion always end in the same place, nowhere.
Nobody can predict the outcome of Brexit, it is a real near term view that we are at now, it can't be used for success or failure. It will take another 10 years before we know the actual impacts of the decision of leaving the EU.
Of course you can, leaving a massive trading block and putting trade barriers up is always going to damage you economically.
That's like finding out you have cancer and not getting it treated because ...oh well
You are failing to look at potential and are holding onto the obvious fallout from exiting a trade deal.
To discuss things in a more rounded and productive way, that starting point needs lifting
We left the EU over 3.5 years ago. When does that ‘potential’ start to give way to reality?
I'm interested in when we will have some info on the potential too.
I will address you both:
The success or lack of, leaving the EU will not be known for a number of years.
The success or failure will never be measured in FOM, or short term pain or gain."Right. So just blind faith, no information or evidence to suggest there is any potential for brexit to work out on favour of British people. | |||
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"This is where it turns from the sublime to the ridiculous. It's hardly a disaster
How's it gone well? A lot of brexiters have admitted it's been a failure, Farage is one, Eustace has said the trade deals weren't good, frost also said pretty much the same thing...what's been good about it?
Did I say it has gone well?
I really think you should learn how to read. I think we'd have better interactions.
How would you describe a hit to GDP worse than the COVID pandemic?
Worse? That's subjective.
One compounded the other.
"The impact of Brexit on the UK economy will be worse in the long run compared to the coronavirus pandemic, the chairman of the Office for Budget Responsibility has said.
Richard Hughes said leaving the EU would reduce the UK's potential GDP by about 4% in the long term.
He said forecasts showed the pandemic would reduce GDP "by a further 2%".
"In the long term it is the case that Brexit has a bigger impact than the pandemic", he told the BBC."
Another recent study found they were at a similar level to be fair, but we are comparing Brexit with a pandemic here and it's not coming out well.
Who's comparing? Only you I think.
I'm well aware of what OBR say.
Can you tell me the last time a short term forecast was correct let alone a long term one?
And what is 'in the long term'?
I ask because plenty of people like to point to that statement when talking down Brexit but dismiss 'it'll take time'. It appears 'in time' suits when it suits and not when it doesn't.
You have almost exactly the same argument as every other Brexit Basher
The 4 percent hit to GDP has turned out to be broadly correct, can you name a financial upside to brexit or even just an upside.
Has it??
You have plenty of questions but no answers, yet earlier were complaining that I wouldn't answer you
Did I say there had been any upsides to Brexit?
How did you vote in the referendum?
I also voted remain.
I'm also not the type of person to live in the past, and I have learnt that to move forward in life you make the most of what is is on offer.
I honestly feel sorry for the people who can't let go, can't move forward and continually moan about how they are right and they were wrong, the constant grief they go through must be horrendous.
it is that blinkered vision that makes any form of discussion always end in the same place, nowhere.
Nobody can predict the outcome of Brexit, it is a real near term view that we are at now, it can't be used for success or failure. It will take another 10 years before we know the actual impacts of the decision of leaving the EU.
Of course you can, leaving a massive trading block and putting trade barriers up is always going to damage you economically.
That's like finding out you have cancer and not getting it treated because ...oh well
You've now been blocked to stop you DM me your replies. You've had enough warnings. Keep it in the forum.
Don't remember sending you a message in that period?
If I have apologies for pressing the wrong button, you still are yet to explain the whole china thing
"This really is like trying to explain something to a 2 year old. If someone is exporting, that's means by default that someone, somewhere, is importing. It's not a hard concept to grasp. | |||
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"This is where it turns from the sublime to the ridiculous. It's hardly a disaster
How's it gone well? A lot of brexiters have admitted it's been a failure, Farage is one, Eustace has said the trade deals weren't good, frost also said pretty much the same thing...what's been good about it?
Did I say it has gone well?
I really think you should learn how to read. I think we'd have better interactions.
How would you describe a hit to GDP worse than the COVID pandemic?
Worse? That's subjective.
One compounded the other.
"The impact of Brexit on the UK economy will be worse in the long run compared to the coronavirus pandemic, the chairman of the Office for Budget Responsibility has said.
Richard Hughes said leaving the EU would reduce the UK's potential GDP by about 4% in the long term.
He said forecasts showed the pandemic would reduce GDP "by a further 2%".
"In the long term it is the case that Brexit has a bigger impact than the pandemic", he told the BBC."
Another recent study found they were at a similar level to be fair, but we are comparing Brexit with a pandemic here and it's not coming out well.
Who's comparing? Only you I think.
I'm well aware of what OBR say.
Can you tell me the last time a short term forecast was correct let alone a long term one?
And what is 'in the long term'?
I ask because plenty of people like to point to that statement when talking down Brexit but dismiss 'it'll take time'. It appears 'in time' suits when it suits and not when it doesn't.
You have almost exactly the same argument as every other Brexit Basher
The 4 percent hit to GDP has turned out to be broadly correct, can you name a financial upside to brexit or even just an upside.
Has it??
You have plenty of questions but no answers, yet earlier were complaining that I wouldn't answer you
Did I say there had been any upsides to Brexit?
How did you vote in the referendum?
I also voted remain.
I'm also not the type of person to live in the past, and I have learnt that to move forward in life you make the most of what is is on offer.
I honestly feel sorry for the people who can't let go, can't move forward and continually moan about how they are right and they were wrong, the constant grief they go through must be horrendous.
it is that blinkered vision that makes any form of discussion always end in the same place, nowhere.
Nobody can predict the outcome of Brexit, it is a real near term view that we are at now, it can't be used for success or failure. It will take another 10 years before we know the actual impacts of the decision of leaving the EU.
Of course you can, leaving a massive trading block and putting trade barriers up is always going to damage you economically.
That's like finding out you have cancer and not getting it treated because ...oh well
You've now been blocked to stop you DM me your replies. You've had enough warnings. Keep it in the forum.
Don't remember sending you a message in that period?
If I have apologies for pressing the wrong button, you still are yet to explain the whole china thing
This really is like trying to explain something to a 2 year old.
If someone is exporting, that's means by default that someone, somewhere, is importing.
It's not a hard concept to grasp. "That's not the point, you were trying to compare importing from China to the other person exporting to the EU. When people answered rules of origin you changed the question, eventually you admitted you were wrong at some point yesterday kind of | |||
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"This is where it turns from the sublime to the ridiculous. It's hardly a disaster
How's it gone well? A lot of brexiters have admitted it's been a failure, Farage is one, Eustace has said the trade deals weren't good, frost also said pretty much the same thing...what's been good about it?
Did I say it has gone well?
I really think you should learn how to read. I think we'd have better interactions.
How would you describe a hit to GDP worse than the COVID pandemic?
Worse? That's subjective.
One compounded the other.
"The impact of Brexit on the UK economy will be worse in the long run compared to the coronavirus pandemic, the chairman of the Office for Budget Responsibility has said.
Richard Hughes said leaving the EU would reduce the UK's potential GDP by about 4% in the long term.
He said forecasts showed the pandemic would reduce GDP "by a further 2%".
"In the long term it is the case that Brexit has a bigger impact than the pandemic", he told the BBC."
Another recent study found they were at a similar level to be fair, but we are comparing Brexit with a pandemic here and it's not coming out well.
Who's comparing? Only you I think.
I'm well aware of what OBR say.
Can you tell me the last time a short term forecast was correct let alone a long term one?
And what is 'in the long term'?
I ask because plenty of people like to point to that statement when talking down Brexit but dismiss 'it'll take time'. It appears 'in time' suits when it suits and not when it doesn't.
You have almost exactly the same argument as every other Brexit Basher
The 4 percent hit to GDP has turned out to be broadly correct, can you name a financial upside to brexit or even just an upside.
Has it??
You have plenty of questions but no answers, yet earlier were complaining that I wouldn't answer you
Did I say there had been any upsides to Brexit?
How did you vote in the referendum?
I also voted remain.
I'm also not the type of person to live in the past, and I have learnt that to move forward in life you make the most of what is is on offer.
I honestly feel sorry for the people who can't let go, can't move forward and continually moan about how they are right and they were wrong, the constant grief they go through must be horrendous.
it is that blinkered vision that makes any form of discussion always end in the same place, nowhere.
Nobody can predict the outcome of Brexit, it is a real near term view that we are at now, it can't be used for success or failure. It will take another 10 years before we know the actual impacts of the decision of leaving the EU.
Of course you can, leaving a massive trading block and putting trade barriers up is always going to damage you economically.
That's like finding out you have cancer and not getting it treated because ...oh well
You've now been blocked to stop you DM me your replies. You've had enough warnings. Keep it in the forum.
Don't remember sending you a message in that period?
If I have apologies for pressing the wrong button, you still are yet to explain the whole china thing
This really is like trying to explain something to a 2 year old.
If someone is exporting, that's means by default that someone, somewhere, is importing.
It's not a hard concept to grasp.
That's not the point, you were trying to compare importing from China to the other person exporting to the EU.
When people answered rules of origin you changed the question, eventually you admitted you were wrong at some point yesterday kind of "I haven't changed anything. If rulesbof origin are the problem for delays in exporting to the EU, why aren't they a problem for importing to the UK. The 2 go hand in hand. It seems you're more interested in me 'admitting I'm wrong' than the actual question which you still haven't answered. It's cool though, the poster answered. He said (paraphrasing) 'local customs and couriers are at fault'. | |||
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"This is where it turns from the sublime to the ridiculous. It's hardly a disaster
How's it gone well? A lot of brexiters have admitted it's been a failure, Farage is one, Eustace has said the trade deals weren't good, frost also said pretty much the same thing...what's been good about it?
Did I say it has gone well?
I really think you should learn how to read. I think we'd have better interactions.
How would you describe a hit to GDP worse than the COVID pandemic?
Worse? That's subjective.
One compounded the other.
"The impact of Brexit on the UK economy will be worse in the long run compared to the coronavirus pandemic, the chairman of the Office for Budget Responsibility has said.
Richard Hughes said leaving the EU would reduce the UK's potential GDP by about 4% in the long term.
He said forecasts showed the pandemic would reduce GDP "by a further 2%".
"In the long term it is the case that Brexit has a bigger impact than the pandemic", he told the BBC."
Another recent study found they were at a similar level to be fair, but we are comparing Brexit with a pandemic here and it's not coming out well.
Who's comparing? Only you I think.
I'm well aware of what OBR say.
Can you tell me the last time a short term forecast was correct let alone a long term one?
And what is 'in the long term'?
I ask because plenty of people like to point to that statement when talking down Brexit but dismiss 'it'll take time'. It appears 'in time' suits when it suits and not when it doesn't.
You have almost exactly the same argument as every other Brexit Basher
The 4 percent hit to GDP has turned out to be broadly correct, can you name a financial upside to brexit or even just an upside.
Has it??
You have plenty of questions but no answers, yet earlier were complaining that I wouldn't answer you
Did I say there had been any upsides to Brexit?
How did you vote in the referendum?
I also voted remain.
I'm also not the type of person to live in the past, and I have learnt that to move forward in life you make the most of what is is on offer.
I honestly feel sorry for the people who can't let go, can't move forward and continually moan about how they are right and they were wrong, the constant grief they go through must be horrendous.
it is that blinkered vision that makes any form of discussion always end in the same place, nowhere.
Nobody can predict the outcome of Brexit, it is a real near term view that we are at now, it can't be used for success or failure. It will take another 10 years before we know the actual impacts of the decision of leaving the EU.
Of course you can, leaving a massive trading block and putting trade barriers up is always going to damage you economically.
That's like finding out you have cancer and not getting it treated because ...oh well
You are failing to look at potential and are holding onto the obvious fallout from exiting a trade deal.
To discuss things in a more rounded and productive way, that starting point needs lifting
We left the EU over 3.5 years ago. When does that ‘potential’ start to give way to reality?
I'm interested in when we will have some info on the potential too.
I will address you both:
The success or lack of, leaving the EU will not be known for a number of years.
The success or failure will never be measured in FOM, or short term pain or gain.
Right. So just blind faith, no information or evidence to suggest there is any potential for brexit to work out on favour of British people."It’s a means of shutting down conversation, nothing more. | |||
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"This is where it turns from the sublime to the ridiculous. It's hardly a disaster
How's it gone well? A lot of brexiters have admitted it's been a failure, Farage is one, Eustace has said the trade deals weren't good, frost also said pretty much the same thing...what's been good about it?
Did I say it has gone well?
I really think you should learn how to read. I think we'd have better interactions.
How would you describe a hit to GDP worse than the COVID pandemic?
Worse? That's subjective.
One compounded the other.
"The impact of Brexit on the UK economy will be worse in the long run compared to the coronavirus pandemic, the chairman of the Office for Budget Responsibility has said.
Richard Hughes said leaving the EU would reduce the UK's potential GDP by about 4% in the long term.
He said forecasts showed the pandemic would reduce GDP "by a further 2%".
"In the long term it is the case that Brexit has a bigger impact than the pandemic", he told the BBC."
Another recent study found they were at a similar level to be fair, but we are comparing Brexit with a pandemic here and it's not coming out well.
Who's comparing? Only you I think.
I'm well aware of what OBR say.
Can you tell me the last time a short term forecast was correct let alone a long term one?
And what is 'in the long term'?
I ask because plenty of people like to point to that statement when talking down Brexit but dismiss 'it'll take time'. It appears 'in time' suits when it suits and not when it doesn't.
You have almost exactly the same argument as every other Brexit Basher
The 4 percent hit to GDP has turned out to be broadly correct, can you name a financial upside to brexit or even just an upside.
Has it??
You have plenty of questions but no answers, yet earlier were complaining that I wouldn't answer you
Did I say there had been any upsides to Brexit?
How did you vote in the referendum?
I also voted remain.
I'm also not the type of person to live in the past, and I have learnt that to move forward in life you make the most of what is is on offer.
I honestly feel sorry for the people who can't let go, can't move forward and continually moan about how they are right and they were wrong, the constant grief they go through must be horrendous.
it is that blinkered vision that makes any form of discussion always end in the same place, nowhere.
Nobody can predict the outcome of Brexit, it is a real near term view that we are at now, it can't be used for success or failure. It will take another 10 years before we know the actual impacts of the decision of leaving the EU.
Of course you can, leaving a massive trading block and putting trade barriers up is always going to damage you economically.
That's like finding out you have cancer and not getting it treated because ...oh well ". Two entirely different concepts and a ridiculous comparison. Last time I checked we continue to trade with the EU , just on slightly different terms. Those opposing Brexit had it as difficult as possible made it for us to negotiate on favourable terms. The payback period will be a minimum of ten years. We are still negotiating deals . The Indian deal will be a significant boost. Binning EU rules will mean less bureaucracy in other cases . | |||
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"Those opposing Brexit had it as difficult as possible made it for us to negotiate on favourable terms. " ‘Remainers sabotaged Brexit’, the old faithful argument brought to you by the same people who said Brexit was ‘the will of the people’ and there was ‘No possible downside to Brexit’ | |||
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"This is where it turns from the sublime to the ridiculous. It's hardly a disaster
How's it gone well? A lot of brexiters have admitted it's been a failure, Farage is one, Eustace has said the trade deals weren't good, frost also said pretty much the same thing...what's been good about it?
Did I say it has gone well?
I really think you should learn how to read. I think we'd have better interactions.
How would you describe a hit to GDP worse than the COVID pandemic?
Worse? That's subjective.
One compounded the other.
"The impact of Brexit on the UK economy will be worse in the long run compared to the coronavirus pandemic, the chairman of the Office for Budget Responsibility has said.
Richard Hughes said leaving the EU would reduce the UK's potential GDP by about 4% in the long term.
He said forecasts showed the pandemic would reduce GDP "by a further 2%".
"In the long term it is the case that Brexit has a bigger impact than the pandemic", he told the BBC."
Another recent study found they were at a similar level to be fair, but we are comparing Brexit with a pandemic here and it's not coming out well.
Who's comparing? Only you I think.
I'm well aware of what OBR say.
Can you tell me the last time a short term forecast was correct let alone a long term one?
And what is 'in the long term'?
I ask because plenty of people like to point to that statement when talking down Brexit but dismiss 'it'll take time'. It appears 'in time' suits when it suits and not when it doesn't.
You have almost exactly the same argument as every other Brexit Basher
The 4 percent hit to GDP has turned out to be broadly correct, can you name a financial upside to brexit or even just an upside.
Has it??
You have plenty of questions but no answers, yet earlier were complaining that I wouldn't answer you
Did I say there had been any upsides to Brexit?
How did you vote in the referendum?
I also voted remain.
I'm also not the type of person to live in the past, and I have learnt that to move forward in life you make the most of what is is on offer.
I honestly feel sorry for the people who can't let go, can't move forward and continually moan about how they are right and they were wrong, the constant grief they go through must be horrendous.
it is that blinkered vision that makes any form of discussion always end in the same place, nowhere.
Nobody can predict the outcome of Brexit, it is a real near term view that we are at now, it can't be used for success or failure. It will take another 10 years before we know the actual impacts of the decision of leaving the EU.
Of course you can, leaving a massive trading block and putting trade barriers up is always going to damage you economically.
That's like finding out you have cancer and not getting it treated because ...oh well
You are failing to look at potential and are holding onto the obvious fallout from exiting a trade deal.
To discuss things in a more rounded and productive way, that starting point needs lifting
We left the EU over 3.5 years ago. When does that ‘potential’ start to give way to reality?
I'm interested in when we will have some info on the potential too.
I will address you both:
The success or lack of, leaving the EU will not be known for a number of years.
The success or failure will never be measured in FOM, or short term pain or gain.
Right. So just blind faith, no information or evidence to suggest there is any potential for brexit to work out on favour of British people.
It’s a means of shutting down conversation, nothing more.
"Rather the opposite... I have pointed out the reality and it is up to you whether you open your mind to the UK having a number of years to make the exit less painful that it is now, which was inevitable. You can keep saying we were promised x y & z, but you are doing nothing more than pointing out the obvious. You are waisting your time and effort as this is where we are, and to repeat myself for the 100th time, it will take a lot more time to evaluate the longterm effects of leaving the EU. | |||
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"Is this some point of moral high ground you are taking? Name one economist outside Patrick minford that thought Brexit would make us better off.I use Farage as he admitted Brexit was a failure as did Eustace and David Frost all were big stake holders in it." I don't need to quote anyone, it is clear to see the effects of Brexit today. I don't care if Farage says Brexit was a failure, he is saying that because it hasn't been as hard as he would have liked! However you use his words to support your argument not leaving the EU. That is a strange strategy to say the least. | |||
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"‘Remainers sabotaged Brexit’, the old faithful argument brought to you by the same people who said Brexit was ‘the will of the people’" Possibly they say that because it's true. We had a poll, and 'Leave' won. "and there was ‘No possible downside to Brexit’" I don't recall anyone saying that. Can you point to whoever said it? | |||
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"‘Remainers sabotaged Brexit’, the old faithful argument brought to you by the same people who said Brexit was ‘the will of the people’ Possibly they say that because it's true. We had a poll, and 'Leave' won. and there was ‘No possible downside to Brexit’ I don't recall anyone saying that. Can you point to whoever said it?" Leave did indeed win. And we left. The final deal was negotiated by leavers. Remainers didn’t ‘sabotage’ a damn thing. And David Davis said in 2016 “There will be no downside to Brexit, only a considerable upside” | |||
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"This is where it turns from the sublime to the ridiculous. It's hardly a disaster
How's it gone well? A lot of brexiters have admitted it's been a failure, Farage is one, Eustace has said the trade deals weren't good, frost also said pretty much the same thing...what's been good about it?
Did I say it has gone well?
I really think you should learn how to read. I think we'd have better interactions.
How would you describe a hit to GDP worse than the COVID pandemic?
Worse? That's subjective.
One compounded the other.
"The impact of Brexit on the UK economy will be worse in the long run compared to the coronavirus pandemic, the chairman of the Office for Budget Responsibility has said.
Richard Hughes said leaving the EU would reduce the UK's potential GDP by about 4% in the long term.
He said forecasts showed the pandemic would reduce GDP "by a further 2%".
"In the long term it is the case that Brexit has a bigger impact than the pandemic", he told the BBC."
Another recent study found they were at a similar level to be fair, but we are comparing Brexit with a pandemic here and it's not coming out well.
Who's comparing? Only you I think.
I'm well aware of what OBR say.
Can you tell me the last time a short term forecast was correct let alone a long term one?
And what is 'in the long term'?
I ask because plenty of people like to point to that statement when talking down Brexit but dismiss 'it'll take time'. It appears 'in time' suits when it suits and not when it doesn't.
You have almost exactly the same argument as every other Brexit Basher
The 4 percent hit to GDP has turned out to be broadly correct, can you name a financial upside to brexit or even just an upside.
Has it??
You have plenty of questions but no answers, yet earlier were complaining that I wouldn't answer you
Did I say there had been any upsides to Brexit?
How did you vote in the referendum?
I also voted remain.
I'm also not the type of person to live in the past, and I have learnt that to move forward in life you make the most of what is is on offer.
I honestly feel sorry for the people who can't let go, can't move forward and continually moan about how they are right and they were wrong, the constant grief they go through must be horrendous.
it is that blinkered vision that makes any form of discussion always end in the same place, nowhere.
Nobody can predict the outcome of Brexit, it is a real near term view that we are at now, it can't be used for success or failure. It will take another 10 years before we know the actual impacts of the decision of leaving the EU.
Of course you can, leaving a massive trading block and putting trade barriers up is always going to damage you economically.
That's like finding out you have cancer and not getting it treated because ...oh well
You are failing to look at potential and are holding onto the obvious fallout from exiting a trade deal.
To discuss things in a more rounded and productive way, that starting point needs lifting
We left the EU over 3.5 years ago. When does that ‘potential’ start to give way to reality?
I'm interested in when we will have some info on the potential too.
I will address you both:
The success or lack of, leaving the EU will not be known for a number of years.
The success or failure will never be measured in FOM, or short term pain or gain.
Right. So just blind faith, no information or evidence to suggest there is any potential for brexit to work out on favour of British people.
It’s a means of shutting down conversation, nothing more.
Rather the opposite... I have pointed out the reality and it is up to you whether you open your mind to the UK having a number of years to make the exit less painful that it is now, which was inevitable.
You can keep saying we were promised x y & z, but you are doing nothing more than pointing out the obvious.
You are waisting your time and effort as this is where we are, and to repeat myself for the 100th time, it will take a lot more time to evaluate the longterm effects of leaving the EU."I happen to think it’s more than fair to point out the so-far undelivered promises made by the brexiters. That’s part of a democracy is it not? | |||
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"This is where it turns from the sublime to the ridiculous. It's hardly a disaster
How's it gone well? A lot of brexiters have admitted it's been a failure, Farage is one, Eustace has said the trade deals weren't good, frost also said pretty much the same thing...what's been good about it?
Did I say it has gone well?
I really think you should learn how to read. I think we'd have better interactions.
How would you describe a hit to GDP worse than the COVID pandemic?
Worse? That's subjective.
One compounded the other.
"The impact of Brexit on the UK economy will be worse in the long run compared to the coronavirus pandemic, the chairman of the Office for Budget Responsibility has said.
Richard Hughes said leaving the EU would reduce the UK's potential GDP by about 4% in the long term.
He said forecasts showed the pandemic would reduce GDP "by a further 2%".
"In the long term it is the case that Brexit has a bigger impact than the pandemic", he told the BBC."
Another recent study found they were at a similar level to be fair, but we are comparing Brexit with a pandemic here and it's not coming out well.
Who's comparing? Only you I think.
I'm well aware of what OBR say.
Can you tell me the last time a short term forecast was correct let alone a long term one?
And what is 'in the long term'?
I ask because plenty of people like to point to that statement when talking down Brexit but dismiss 'it'll take time'. It appears 'in time' suits when it suits and not when it doesn't.
You have almost exactly the same argument as every other Brexit Basher
The 4 percent hit to GDP has turned out to be broadly correct, can you name a financial upside to brexit or even just an upside.
Has it??
You have plenty of questions but no answers, yet earlier were complaining that I wouldn't answer you
Did I say there had been any upsides to Brexit?
How did you vote in the referendum?
I also voted remain.
I'm also not the type of person to live in the past, and I have learnt that to move forward in life you make the most of what is is on offer.
I honestly feel sorry for the people who can't let go, can't move forward and continually moan about how they are right and they were wrong, the constant grief they go through must be horrendous.
it is that blinkered vision that makes any form of discussion always end in the same place, nowhere.
Nobody can predict the outcome of Brexit, it is a real near term view that we are at now, it can't be used for success or failure. It will take another 10 years before we know the actual impacts of the decision of leaving the EU.
Of course you can, leaving a massive trading block and putting trade barriers up is always going to damage you economically.
That's like finding out you have cancer and not getting it treated because ...oh well
You are failing to look at potential and are holding onto the obvious fallout from exiting a trade deal.
To discuss things in a more rounded and productive way, that starting point needs lifting
We left the EU over 3.5 years ago. When does that ‘potential’ start to give way to reality?
I'm interested in when we will have some info on the potential too.
I will address you both:
The success or lack of, leaving the EU will not be known for a number of years.
The success or failure will never be measured in FOM, or short term pain or gain.
Right. So just blind faith, no information or evidence to suggest there is any potential for brexit to work out on favour of British people.
It’s a means of shutting down conversation, nothing more.
Rather the opposite... I have pointed out the reality and it is up to you whether you open your mind to the UK having a number of years to make the exit less painful that it is now, which was inevitable.
You can keep saying we were promised x y & z, but you are doing nothing more than pointing out the obvious.
You are waisting your time and effort as this is where we are, and to repeat myself for the 100th time, it will take a lot more time to evaluate the longterm effects of leaving the EU."Seeing as there is zero evidence that there will be any long term benefits to brexit. It seems like blind faith is all we have. | |||
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"This is where it turns from the sublime to the ridiculous. It's hardly a disaster
How's it gone well? A lot of brexiters have admitted it's been a failure, Farage is one, Eustace has said the trade deals weren't good, frost also said pretty much the same thing...what's been good about it?
Did I say it has gone well?
I really think you should learn how to read. I think we'd have better interactions.
How would you describe a hit to GDP worse than the COVID pandemic?
Worse? That's subjective.
One compounded the other.
"The impact of Brexit on the UK economy will be worse in the long run compared to the coronavirus pandemic, the chairman of the Office for Budget Responsibility has said.
Richard Hughes said leaving the EU would reduce the UK's potential GDP by about 4% in the long term.
He said forecasts showed the pandemic would reduce GDP "by a further 2%".
"In the long term it is the case that Brexit has a bigger impact than the pandemic", he told the BBC."
Another recent study found they were at a similar level to be fair, but we are comparing Brexit with a pandemic here and it's not coming out well.
Who's comparing? Only you I think.
I'm well aware of what OBR say.
Can you tell me the last time a short term forecast was correct let alone a long term one?
And what is 'in the long term'?
I ask because plenty of people like to point to that statement when talking down Brexit but dismiss 'it'll take time'. It appears 'in time' suits when it suits and not when it doesn't.
You have almost exactly the same argument as every other Brexit Basher
The 4 percent hit to GDP has turned out to be broadly correct, can you name a financial upside to brexit or even just an upside.
Has it??
You have plenty of questions but no answers, yet earlier were complaining that I wouldn't answer you
Did I say there had been any upsides to Brexit?
How did you vote in the referendum?
I also voted remain.
I'm also not the type of person to live in the past, and I have learnt that to move forward in life you make the most of what is is on offer.
I honestly feel sorry for the people who can't let go, can't move forward and continually moan about how they are right and they were wrong, the constant grief they go through must be horrendous.
it is that blinkered vision that makes any form of discussion always end in the same place, nowhere.
Nobody can predict the outcome of Brexit, it is a real near term view that we are at now, it can't be used for success or failure. It will take another 10 years before we know the actual impacts of the decision of leaving the EU.
Of course you can, leaving a massive trading block and putting trade barriers up is always going to damage you economically.
That's like finding out you have cancer and not getting it treated because ...oh well
You are failing to look at potential and are holding onto the obvious fallout from exiting a trade deal.
To discuss things in a more rounded and productive way, that starting point needs lifting
We left the EU over 3.5 years ago. When does that ‘potential’ start to give way to reality?
I'm interested in when we will have some info on the potential too.
I will address you both:
The success or lack of, leaving the EU will not be known for a number of years.
The success or failure will never be measured in FOM, or short term pain or gain.
Right. So just blind faith, no information or evidence to suggest there is any potential for brexit to work out on favour of British people.
It’s a means of shutting down conversation, nothing more.
Rather the opposite... I have pointed out the reality and it is up to you whether you open your mind to the UK having a number of years to make the exit less painful that it is now, which was inevitable.
You can keep saying we were promised x y & z, but you are doing nothing more than pointing out the obvious.
You are waisting your time and effort as this is where we are, and to repeat myself for the 100th time, it will take a lot more time to evaluate the longterm effects of leaving the EU.
Seeing as there is zero evidence that there will be any long term benefits to brexit. It seems like blind faith is all we have."I can't help you any further in understanding that there is no way of knowing the longterm outcome of brexit, today. You are upset and angry at a result that you did not want, in my opinion the effort and anger you put into denouncing the brexit result and corresponding break from the EU could be channeled into some positive thinking and imagine how it might workout for the good. If it doesn't end up there in the next 10 years, that is the time to get angry. | |||
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"This is where it turns from the sublime to the ridiculous. It's hardly a disaster
How's it gone well? A lot of brexiters have admitted it's been a failure, Farage is one, Eustace has said the trade deals weren't good, frost also said pretty much the same thing...what's been good about it?
Did I say it has gone well?
I really think you should learn how to read. I think we'd have better interactions.
How would you describe a hit to GDP worse than the COVID pandemic?
Worse? That's subjective.
One compounded the other.
"The impact of Brexit on the UK economy will be worse in the long run compared to the coronavirus pandemic, the chairman of the Office for Budget Responsibility has said.
Richard Hughes said leaving the EU would reduce the UK's potential GDP by about 4% in the long term.
He said forecasts showed the pandemic would reduce GDP "by a further 2%".
"In the long term it is the case that Brexit has a bigger impact than the pandemic", he told the BBC."
Another recent study found they were at a similar level to be fair, but we are comparing Brexit with a pandemic here and it's not coming out well.
Who's comparing? Only you I think.
I'm well aware of what OBR say.
Can you tell me the last time a short term forecast was correct let alone a long term one?
And what is 'in the long term'?
I ask because plenty of people like to point to that statement when talking down Brexit but dismiss 'it'll take time'. It appears 'in time' suits when it suits and not when it doesn't.
You have almost exactly the same argument as every other Brexit Basher
The 4 percent hit to GDP has turned out to be broadly correct, can you name a financial upside to brexit or even just an upside.
Has it??
You have plenty of questions but no answers, yet earlier were complaining that I wouldn't answer you
Did I say there had been any upsides to Brexit?
How did you vote in the referendum?
I also voted remain.
I'm also not the type of person to live in the past, and I have learnt that to move forward in life you make the most of what is is on offer.
I honestly feel sorry for the people who can't let go, can't move forward and continually moan about how they are right and they were wrong, the constant grief they go through must be horrendous.
it is that blinkered vision that makes any form of discussion always end in the same place, nowhere.
Nobody can predict the outcome of Brexit, it is a real near term view that we are at now, it can't be used for success or failure. It will take another 10 years before we know the actual impacts of the decision of leaving the EU.
Of course you can, leaving a massive trading block and putting trade barriers up is always going to damage you economically.
That's like finding out you have cancer and not getting it treated because ...oh well
You are failing to look at potential and are holding onto the obvious fallout from exiting a trade deal.
To discuss things in a more rounded and productive way, that starting point needs lifting
We left the EU over 3.5 years ago. When does that ‘potential’ start to give way to reality?
I'm interested in when we will have some info on the potential too.
I will address you both:
The success or lack of, leaving the EU will not be known for a number of years.
The success or failure will never be measured in FOM, or short term pain or gain.
Right. So just blind faith, no information or evidence to suggest there is any potential for brexit to work out on favour of British people.
It’s a means of shutting down conversation, nothing more.
Rather the opposite... I have pointed out the reality and it is up to you whether you open your mind to the UK having a number of years to make the exit less painful that it is now, which was inevitable.
You can keep saying we were promised x y & z, but you are doing nothing more than pointing out the obvious.
You are waisting your time and effort as this is where we are, and to repeat myself for the 100th time, it will take a lot more time to evaluate the longterm effects of leaving the EU.
Seeing as there is zero evidence that there will be any long term benefits to brexit. It seems like blind faith is all we have.
I can't help you any further in understanding that there is no way of knowing the longterm outcome of brexit, today.
You are upset and angry at a result that you did not want, in my opinion the effort and anger you put into denouncing the brexit result and corresponding break from the EU could be channeled into some positive thinking and imagine how it might workout for the good.
If it doesn't end up there in the next 10 years, that is the time to get angry."...and of course, in ten years time, if things don't improve, we will be told that it is too soon to know and in 50 years time we will have a much better idea if leaving the EU was the correct decision or not. If I remember correctly, the arch Brexiteer, Jacob Rees-Mogg, was quoted as saying just that! Meanwhile.... | |||
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"This is where it turns from the sublime to the ridiculous. It's hardly a disaster
How's it gone well? A lot of brexiters have admitted it's been a failure, Farage is one, Eustace has said the trade deals weren't good, frost also said pretty much the same thing...what's been good about it?
Did I say it has gone well?
I really think you should learn how to read. I think we'd have better interactions.
How would you describe a hit to GDP worse than the COVID pandemic?
Worse? That's subjective.
One compounded the other.
"The impact of Brexit on the UK economy will be worse in the long run compared to the coronavirus pandemic, the chairman of the Office for Budget Responsibility has said.
Richard Hughes said leaving the EU would reduce the UK's potential GDP by about 4% in the long term.
He said forecasts showed the pandemic would reduce GDP "by a further 2%".
"In the long term it is the case that Brexit has a bigger impact than the pandemic", he told the BBC."
Another recent study found they were at a similar level to be fair, but we are comparing Brexit with a pandemic here and it's not coming out well.
Who's comparing? Only you I think.
I'm well aware of what OBR say.
Can you tell me the last time a short term forecast was correct let alone a long term one?
And what is 'in the long term'?
I ask because plenty of people like to point to that statement when talking down Brexit but dismiss 'it'll take time'. It appears 'in time' suits when it suits and not when it doesn't.
You have almost exactly the same argument as every other Brexit Basher
The 4 percent hit to GDP has turned out to be broadly correct, can you name a financial upside to brexit or even just an upside.
Has it??
You have plenty of questions but no answers, yet earlier were complaining that I wouldn't answer you
Did I say there had been any upsides to Brexit?
How did you vote in the referendum?
I also voted remain.
I'm also not the type of person to live in the past, and I have learnt that to move forward in life you make the most of what is is on offer.
I honestly feel sorry for the people who can't let go, can't move forward and continually moan about how they are right and they were wrong, the constant grief they go through must be horrendous.
it is that blinkered vision that makes any form of discussion always end in the same place, nowhere.
Nobody can predict the outcome of Brexit, it is a real near term view that we are at now, it can't be used for success or failure. It will take another 10 years before we know the actual impacts of the decision of leaving the EU.
Of course you can, leaving a massive trading block and putting trade barriers up is always going to damage you economically.
That's like finding out you have cancer and not getting it treated because ...oh well
You are failing to look at potential and are holding onto the obvious fallout from exiting a trade deal.
To discuss things in a more rounded and productive way, that starting point needs lifting
We left the EU over 3.5 years ago. When does that ‘potential’ start to give way to reality?
I'm interested in when we will have some info on the potential too.
I will address you both:
The success or lack of, leaving the EU will not be known for a number of years.
The success or failure will never be measured in FOM, or short term pain or gain.
Right. So just blind faith, no information or evidence to suggest there is any potential for brexit to work out on favour of British people.
It’s a means of shutting down conversation, nothing more.
Rather the opposite... I have pointed out the reality and it is up to you whether you open your mind to the UK having a number of years to make the exit less painful that it is now, which was inevitable.
You can keep saying we were promised x y & z, but you are doing nothing more than pointing out the obvious.
You are waisting your time and effort as this is where we are, and to repeat myself for the 100th time, it will take a lot more time to evaluate the longterm effects of leaving the EU.
Seeing as there is zero evidence that there will be any long term benefits to brexit. It seems like blind faith is all we have.
I can't help you any further in understanding that there is no way of knowing the longterm outcome of brexit, today.
You are upset and angry at a result that you did not want, in my opinion the effort and anger you put into denouncing the brexit result and corresponding break from the EU could be channeled into some positive thinking and imagine how it might workout for the good.
If it doesn't end up there in the next 10 years, that is the time to get angry.
...and of course, in ten years time, if things don't improve, we will be told that it is too soon to know and in 50 years time we will have a much better idea if leaving the EU was the correct decision or not.
If I remember correctly, the arch Brexiteer, Jacob Rees-Mogg, was quoted as saying just that!
Meanwhile...."You are making up a scenario to suit your narrative. If after a period of time it can be proven that leaving the EU was a mistake, and rejoining would be a huge improvement, it will lay the ground for change. Until then, it is to early to predict the longterm outcome. | |||
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"This is where it turns from the sublime to the ridiculous. It's hardly a disaster
How's it gone well? A lot of brexiters have admitted it's been a failure, Farage is one, Eustace has said the trade deals weren't good, frost also said pretty much the same thing...what's been good about it?
Did I say it has gone well?
I really think you should learn how to read. I think we'd have better interactions.
How would you describe a hit to GDP worse than the COVID pandemic?
Worse? That's subjective.
One compounded the other.
"The impact of Brexit on the UK economy will be worse in the long run compared to the coronavirus pandemic, the chairman of the Office for Budget Responsibility has said.
Richard Hughes said leaving the EU would reduce the UK's potential GDP by about 4% in the long term.
He said forecasts showed the pandemic would reduce GDP "by a further 2%".
"In the long term it is the case that Brexit has a bigger impact than the pandemic", he told the BBC."
Another recent study found they were at a similar level to be fair, but we are comparing Brexit with a pandemic here and it's not coming out well.
Who's comparing? Only you I think.
I'm well aware of what OBR say.
Can you tell me the last time a short term forecast was correct let alone a long term one?
And what is 'in the long term'?
I ask because plenty of people like to point to that statement when talking down Brexit but dismiss 'it'll take time'. It appears 'in time' suits when it suits and not when it doesn't.
You have almost exactly the same argument as every other Brexit Basher
The 4 percent hit to GDP has turned out to be broadly correct, can you name a financial upside to brexit or even just an upside.
Has it??
You have plenty of questions but no answers, yet earlier were complaining that I wouldn't answer you
Did I say there had been any upsides to Brexit?
How did you vote in the referendum?
I also voted remain.
I'm also not the type of person to live in the past, and I have learnt that to move forward in life you make the most of what is is on offer.
I honestly feel sorry for the people who can't let go, can't move forward and continually moan about how they are right and they were wrong, the constant grief they go through must be horrendous.
it is that blinkered vision that makes any form of discussion always end in the same place, nowhere.
Nobody can predict the outcome of Brexit, it is a real near term view that we are at now, it can't be used for success or failure. It will take another 10 years before we know the actual impacts of the decision of leaving the EU.
Of course you can, leaving a massive trading block and putting trade barriers up is always going to damage you economically.
That's like finding out you have cancer and not getting it treated because ...oh well
You are failing to look at potential and are holding onto the obvious fallout from exiting a trade deal.
To discuss things in a more rounded and productive way, that starting point needs lifting
We left the EU over 3.5 years ago. When does that ‘potential’ start to give way to reality?
I'm interested in when we will have some info on the potential too.
I will address you both:
The success or lack of, leaving the EU will not be known for a number of years.
The success or failure will never be measured in FOM, or short term pain or gain.
Right. So just blind faith, no information or evidence to suggest there is any potential for brexit to work out on favour of British people.
It’s a means of shutting down conversation, nothing more.
Rather the opposite... I have pointed out the reality and it is up to you whether you open your mind to the UK having a number of years to make the exit less painful that it is now, which was inevitable.
You can keep saying we were promised x y & z, but you are doing nothing more than pointing out the obvious.
You are waisting your time and effort as this is where we are, and to repeat myself for the 100th time, it will take a lot more time to evaluate the longterm effects of leaving the EU.
Seeing as there is zero evidence that there will be any long term benefits to brexit. It seems like blind faith is all we have.
I can't help you any further in understanding that there is no way of knowing the longterm outcome of brexit, today.
You are upset and angry at a result that you did not want, in my opinion the effort and anger you put into denouncing the brexit result and corresponding break from the EU could be channeled into some positive thinking and imagine how it might workout for the good.
If it doesn't end up there in the next 10 years, that is the time to get angry.
...and of course, in ten years time, if things don't improve, we will be told that it is too soon to know and in 50 years time we will have a much better idea if leaving the EU was the correct decision or not.
If I remember correctly, the arch Brexiteer, Jacob Rees-Mogg, was quoted as saying just that!
Meanwhile....
You are making up a scenario to suit your narrative.
If after a period of time it can be proven that leaving the EU was a mistake, and rejoining would be a huge improvement, it will lay the ground for change.
Until then, it is to early to predict the longterm outcome. ""According to one of the most prominent Brexiters, Conservative MP Jacob Rees-Mogg, we should see the benefits of Brexit in about half a century. “We won’t know the full economic consequences for a very long time,” he said. " Quote from July 2018 Not something that I made up! | |||
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"This is where it turns from the sublime to the ridiculous. It's hardly a disaster
How's it gone well? A lot of brexiters have admitted it's been a failure, Farage is one, Eustace has said the trade deals weren't good, frost also said pretty much the same thing...what's been good about it?
Did I say it has gone well?
I really think you should learn how to read. I think we'd have better interactions.
How would you describe a hit to GDP worse than the COVID pandemic?
Worse? That's subjective.
One compounded the other.
"The impact of Brexit on the UK economy will be worse in the long run compared to the coronavirus pandemic, the chairman of the Office for Budget Responsibility has said.
Richard Hughes said leaving the EU would reduce the UK's potential GDP by about 4% in the long term.
He said forecasts showed the pandemic would reduce GDP "by a further 2%".
"In the long term it is the case that Brexit has a bigger impact than the pandemic", he told the BBC."
Another recent study found they were at a similar level to be fair, but we are comparing Brexit with a pandemic here and it's not coming out well.
Who's comparing? Only you I think.
I'm well aware of what OBR say.
Can you tell me the last time a short term forecast was correct let alone a long term one?
And what is 'in the long term'?
I ask because plenty of people like to point to that statement when talking down Brexit but dismiss 'it'll take time'. It appears 'in time' suits when it suits and not when it doesn't.
You have almost exactly the same argument as every other Brexit Basher
The 4 percent hit to GDP has turned out to be broadly correct, can you name a financial upside to brexit or even just an upside.
Has it??
You have plenty of questions but no answers, yet earlier were complaining that I wouldn't answer you
Did I say there had been any upsides to Brexit?
How did you vote in the referendum?
I also voted remain.
I'm also not the type of person to live in the past, and I have learnt that to move forward in life you make the most of what is is on offer.
I honestly feel sorry for the people who can't let go, can't move forward and continually moan about how they are right and they were wrong, the constant grief they go through must be horrendous.
it is that blinkered vision that makes any form of discussion always end in the same place, nowhere.
Nobody can predict the outcome of Brexit, it is a real near term view that we are at now, it can't be used for success or failure. It will take another 10 years before we know the actual impacts of the decision of leaving the EU.
Of course you can, leaving a massive trading block and putting trade barriers up is always going to damage you economically.
That's like finding out you have cancer and not getting it treated because ...oh well
You are failing to look at potential and are holding onto the obvious fallout from exiting a trade deal.
To discuss things in a more rounded and productive way, that starting point needs lifting
We left the EU over 3.5 years ago. When does that ‘potential’ start to give way to reality?
I'm interested in when we will have some info on the potential too.
I will address you both:
The success or lack of, leaving the EU will not be known for a number of years.
The success or failure will never be measured in FOM, or short term pain or gain.
Right. So just blind faith, no information or evidence to suggest there is any potential for brexit to work out on favour of British people.
It’s a means of shutting down conversation, nothing more.
Rather the opposite... I have pointed out the reality and it is up to you whether you open your mind to the UK having a number of years to make the exit less painful that it is now, which was inevitable.
You can keep saying we were promised x y & z, but you are doing nothing more than pointing out the obvious.
You are waisting your time and effort as this is where we are, and to repeat myself for the 100th time, it will take a lot more time to evaluate the longterm effects of leaving the EU.
Seeing as there is zero evidence that there will be any long term benefits to brexit. It seems like blind faith is all we have.
I can't help you any further in understanding that there is no way of knowing the longterm outcome of brexit, today.
You are upset and angry at a result that you did not want, in my opinion the effort and anger you put into denouncing the brexit result and corresponding break from the EU could be channeled into some positive thinking and imagine how it might workout for the good.
If it doesn't end up there in the next 10 years, that is the time to get angry."In 10 years the Brexiteers will be saying the same thing. "Just give it another 10 years and we might then have a piece of information to suggest there will be some kind of positive". If there is any information about when we might have some indication that in ten years we might have some kind of positive news about brexit, then we can be positive about it. Until then it's a bit weird asking people to be positive with literally nothing to go on. | |||
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"This is where it turns from the sublime to the ridiculous. It's hardly a disaster
How's it gone well? A lot of brexiters have admitted it's been a failure, Farage is one, Eustace has said the trade deals weren't good, frost also said pretty much the same thing...what's been good about it?
Did I say it has gone well?
I really think you should learn how to read. I think we'd have better interactions.
How would you describe a hit to GDP worse than the COVID pandemic?
Worse? That's subjective.
One compounded the other.
"The impact of Brexit on the UK economy will be worse in the long run compared to the coronavirus pandemic, the chairman of the Office for Budget Responsibility has said.
Richard Hughes said leaving the EU would reduce the UK's potential GDP by about 4% in the long term.
He said forecasts showed the pandemic would reduce GDP "by a further 2%".
"In the long term it is the case that Brexit has a bigger impact than the pandemic", he told the BBC."
Another recent study found they were at a similar level to be fair, but we are comparing Brexit with a pandemic here and it's not coming out well.
Who's comparing? Only you I think.
I'm well aware of what OBR say.
Can you tell me the last time a short term forecast was correct let alone a long term one?
And what is 'in the long term'?
I ask because plenty of people like to point to that statement when talking down Brexit but dismiss 'it'll take time'. It appears 'in time' suits when it suits and not when it doesn't.
You have almost exactly the same argument as every other Brexit Basher
The 4 percent hit to GDP has turned out to be broadly correct, can you name a financial upside to brexit or even just an upside.
Has it??
You have plenty of questions but no answers, yet earlier were complaining that I wouldn't answer you
Did I say there had been any upsides to Brexit?
How did you vote in the referendum?
I also voted remain.
I'm also not the type of person to live in the past, and I have learnt that to move forward in life you make the most of what is is on offer.
I honestly feel sorry for the people who can't let go, can't move forward and continually moan about how they are right and they were wrong, the constant grief they go through must be horrendous.
it is that blinkered vision that makes any form of discussion always end in the same place, nowhere.
Nobody can predict the outcome of Brexit, it is a real near term view that we are at now, it can't be used for success or failure. It will take another 10 years before we know the actual impacts of the decision of leaving the EU.
Of course you can, leaving a massive trading block and putting trade barriers up is always going to damage you economically.
That's like finding out you have cancer and not getting it treated because ...oh well
You are failing to look at potential and are holding onto the obvious fallout from exiting a trade deal.
To discuss things in a more rounded and productive way, that starting point needs lifting
We left the EU over 3.5 years ago. When does that ‘potential’ start to give way to reality?
I'm interested in when we will have some info on the potential too.
I will address you both:
The success or lack of, leaving the EU will not be known for a number of years.
The success or failure will never be measured in FOM, or short term pain or gain.
Right. So just blind faith, no information or evidence to suggest there is any potential for brexit to work out on favour of British people.
It’s a means of shutting down conversation, nothing more.
Rather the opposite... I have pointed out the reality and it is up to you whether you open your mind to the UK having a number of years to make the exit less painful that it is now, which was inevitable.
You can keep saying we were promised x y & z, but you are doing nothing more than pointing out the obvious.
You are waisting your time and effort as this is where we are, and to repeat myself for the 100th time, it will take a lot more time to evaluate the longterm effects of leaving the EU.
Seeing as there is zero evidence that there will be any long term benefits to brexit. It seems like blind faith is all we have.
I can't help you any further in understanding that there is no way of knowing the longterm outcome of brexit, today.
You are upset and angry at a result that you did not want, in my opinion the effort and anger you put into denouncing the brexit result and corresponding break from the EU could be channeled into some positive thinking and imagine how it might workout for the good.
If it doesn't end up there in the next 10 years, that is the time to get angry.
...and of course, in ten years time, if things don't improve, we will be told that it is too soon to know and in 50 years time we will have a much better idea if leaving the EU was the correct decision or not.
If I remember correctly, the arch Brexiteer, Jacob Rees-Mogg, was quoted as saying just that!
Meanwhile....
You are making up a scenario to suit your narrative.
If after a period of time it can be proven that leaving the EU was a mistake, and rejoining would be a huge improvement, it will lay the ground for change.
Until then, it is to early to predict the longterm outcome.
"According to one of the most prominent Brexiters, Conservative MP Jacob Rees-Mogg, we should see the benefits of Brexit in about half a century. “We won’t know the full economic consequences for a very long time,” he said. "
Quote from July 2018
Not something that I made up!
"I wasn't saying that was made up, I was referring to your wait 10 and then we will be told to wait another 50. And I'm not going to say Mogg is right either, we will know the impacts of brexit within the next 10 years. If the country is suffering I would expect a change at that point. | |||
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"I can't help you any further in understanding that there is no way of knowing the longterm outcome of brexit, today. You are upset and angry at a result that you did not want, in my opinion the effort and anger you put into denouncing the brexit result and corresponding break from the EU could be channeled into some positive thinking and imagine how it might workout for the good. If it doesn't end up there in the next 10 years, that is the time to get angry." ************************************ I agree wholeheartedly. All that pathetic negativity over something which is irreversible. I'm glad that I and most people I know have a little more of a positive outlook about most things. | |||
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"I can't help you any further in understanding that there is no way of knowing the longterm outcome of brexit, today. You are upset and angry at a result that you did not want, in my opinion the effort and anger you put into denouncing the brexit result and corresponding break from the EU could be channeled into some positive thinking and imagine how it might workout for the good. If it doesn't end up there in the next 10 years, that is the time to get angry. ************************************ I agree wholeheartedly. All that pathetic negativity over something which is irreversible. I'm glad that I and most people I know have a little more of a positive outlook about most things. " However, the vast majority of highly intelligent academics seem to be able to analyse cause and effect scenarios quite well. Whereas prominent Brexiters clutch air and breath only belief. For example, Peter Foster (FT Journalist) has written a factual book called “What Went Wrong with Brexit.” As the title suggests he looks at the economic roadblocks that are stifling the ideological aims of Brexit and if/how they can be overcome. The book deals with facts and the consequences of Brexit related Government policy. Daniel Hannan (the man who made a video of his vision of a fantasy 5-year post-Brexit Britain) has today reviewed Peter Foster’s book. Showing not one iota of embarrassment about his video, Hannan does not take on the substance of the book and instead rants about the delusions of Remainers and attacks the messenger instead of dealing with the facts. It is absolutely on par from what can be expected from Hannan, and to be honest what can be expected from most ardent Brexiters. It’s just hot air, believe more and hope for the best. | |||
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"This is where it turns from the sublime to the ridiculous. It's hardly a disaster
How's it gone well? A lot of brexiters have admitted it's been a failure, Farage is one, Eustace has said the trade deals weren't good, frost also said pretty much the same thing...what's been good about it?
Did I say it has gone well?
I really think you should learn how to read. I think we'd have better interactions.
How would you describe a hit to GDP worse than the COVID pandemic?
Worse? That's subjective.
One compounded the other.
"The impact of Brexit on the UK economy will be worse in the long run compared to the coronavirus pandemic, the chairman of the Office for Budget Responsibility has said.
Richard Hughes said leaving the EU would reduce the UK's potential GDP by about 4% in the long term.
He said forecasts showed the pandemic would reduce GDP "by a further 2%".
"In the long term it is the case that Brexit has a bigger impact than the pandemic", he told the BBC."
Another recent study found they were at a similar level to be fair, but we are comparing Brexit with a pandemic here and it's not coming out well.
Who's comparing? Only you I think.
I'm well aware of what OBR say.
Can you tell me the last time a short term forecast was correct let alone a long term one?
And what is 'in the long term'?
I ask because plenty of people like to point to that statement when talking down Brexit but dismiss 'it'll take time'. It appears 'in time' suits when it suits and not when it doesn't.
You have almost exactly the same argument as every other Brexit Basher
The 4 percent hit to GDP has turned out to be broadly correct, can you name a financial upside to brexit or even just an upside.
Has it??
You have plenty of questions but no answers, yet earlier were complaining that I wouldn't answer you
Did I say there had been any upsides to Brexit?
How did you vote in the referendum?
I also voted remain.
I'm also not the type of person to live in the past, and I have learnt that to move forward in life you make the most of what is is on offer.
I honestly feel sorry for the people who can't let go, can't move forward and continually moan about how they are right and they were wrong, the constant grief they go through must be horrendous.
it is that blinkered vision that makes any form of discussion always end in the same place, nowhere.
Nobody can predict the outcome of Brexit, it is a real near term view that we are at now, it can't be used for success or failure. It will take another 10 years before we know the actual impacts of the decision of leaving the EU.
Of course you can, leaving a massive trading block and putting trade barriers up is always going to damage you economically.
That's like finding out you have cancer and not getting it treated because ...oh well
You are failing to look at potential and are holding onto the obvious fallout from exiting a trade deal.
To discuss things in a more rounded and productive way, that starting point needs lifting
We left the EU over 3.5 years ago. When does that ‘potential’ start to give way to reality?
I'm interested in when we will have some info on the potential too.
I will address you both:
The success or lack of, leaving the EU will not be known for a number of years.
The success or failure will never be measured in FOM, or short term pain or gain.
Right. So just blind faith, no information or evidence to suggest there is any potential for brexit to work out on favour of British people.
It’s a means of shutting down conversation, nothing more.
Rather the opposite... I have pointed out the reality and it is up to you whether you open your mind to the UK having a number of years to make the exit less painful that it is now, which was inevitable.
You can keep saying we were promised x y & z, but you are doing nothing more than pointing out the obvious.
You are waisting your time and effort as this is where we are, and to repeat myself for the 100th time, it will take a lot more time to evaluate the longterm effects of leaving the EU.
Seeing as there is zero evidence that there will be any long term benefits to brexit. It seems like blind faith is all we have.
I can't help you any further in understanding that there is no way of knowing the longterm outcome of brexit, today.
You are upset and angry at a result that you did not want, in my opinion the effort and anger you put into denouncing the brexit result and corresponding break from the EU could be channeled into some positive thinking and imagine how it might workout for the good.
If it doesn't end up there in the next 10 years, that is the time to get angry."What difference will positive thinking make? Is it not right to hold those who promised benefits to account? | |||
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"This is where it turns from the sublime to the ridiculous. It's hardly a disaster
How's it gone well? A lot of brexiters have admitted it's been a failure, Farage is one, Eustace has said the trade deals weren't good, frost also said pretty much the same thing...what's been good about it?
Did I say it has gone well?
I really think you should learn how to read. I think we'd have better interactions.
How would you describe a hit to GDP worse than the COVID pandemic?
Worse? That's subjective.
One compounded the other.
"The impact of Brexit on the UK economy will be worse in the long run compared to the coronavirus pandemic, the chairman of the Office for Budget Responsibility has said.
Richard Hughes said leaving the EU would reduce the UK's potential GDP by about 4% in the long term.
He said forecasts showed the pandemic would reduce GDP "by a further 2%".
"In the long term it is the case that Brexit has a bigger impact than the pandemic", he told the BBC."
Another recent study found they were at a similar level to be fair, but we are comparing Brexit with a pandemic here and it's not coming out well.
Who's comparing? Only you I think.
I'm well aware of what OBR say.
Can you tell me the last time a short term forecast was correct let alone a long term one?
And what is 'in the long term'?
I ask because plenty of people like to point to that statement when talking down Brexit but dismiss 'it'll take time'. It appears 'in time' suits when it suits and not when it doesn't.
You have almost exactly the same argument as every other Brexit Basher
The 4 percent hit to GDP has turned out to be broadly correct, can you name a financial upside to brexit or even just an upside.
Has it??
You have plenty of questions but no answers, yet earlier were complaining that I wouldn't answer you
Did I say there had been any upsides to Brexit?
How did you vote in the referendum?
I also voted remain.
I'm also not the type of person to live in the past, and I have learnt that to move forward in life you make the most of what is is on offer.
I honestly feel sorry for the people who can't let go, can't move forward and continually moan about how they are right and they were wrong, the constant grief they go through must be horrendous.
it is that blinkered vision that makes any form of discussion always end in the same place, nowhere.
Nobody can predict the outcome of Brexit, it is a real near term view that we are at now, it can't be used for success or failure. It will take another 10 years before we know the actual impacts of the decision of leaving the EU.
Of course you can, leaving a massive trading block and putting trade barriers up is always going to damage you economically.
That's like finding out you have cancer and not getting it treated because ...oh well
You are failing to look at potential and are holding onto the obvious fallout from exiting a trade deal.
To discuss things in a more rounded and productive way, that starting point needs lifting
We left the EU over 3.5 years ago. When does that ‘potential’ start to give way to reality?
I'm interested in when we will have some info on the potential too.
I will address you both:
The success or lack of, leaving the EU will not be known for a number of years.
The success or failure will never be measured in FOM, or short term pain or gain.
Right. So just blind faith, no information or evidence to suggest there is any potential for brexit to work out on favour of British people.
It’s a means of shutting down conversation, nothing more.
Rather the opposite... I have pointed out the reality and it is up to you whether you open your mind to the UK having a number of years to make the exit less painful that it is now, which was inevitable.
You can keep saying we were promised x y & z, but you are doing nothing more than pointing out the obvious.
You are waisting your time and effort as this is where we are, and to repeat myself for the 100th time, it will take a lot more time to evaluate the longterm effects of leaving the EU.
Seeing as there is zero evidence that there will be any long term benefits to brexit. It seems like blind faith is all we have.
I can't help you any further in understanding that there is no way of knowing the longterm outcome of brexit, today.
You are upset and angry at a result that you did not want, in my opinion the effort and anger you put into denouncing the brexit result and corresponding break from the EU could be channeled into some positive thinking and imagine how it might workout for the good.
If it doesn't end up there in the next 10 years, that is the time to get angry.
...and of course, in ten years time, if things don't improve, we will be told that it is too soon to know and in 50 years time we will have a much better idea if leaving the EU was the correct decision or not.
If I remember correctly, the arch Brexiteer, Jacob Rees-Mogg, was quoted as saying just that!
Meanwhile....
You are making up a scenario to suit your narrative.
If after a period of time it can be proven that leaving the EU was a mistake, and rejoining would be a huge improvement, it will lay the ground for change.
Until then, it is to early to predict the longterm outcome. "It was proven prior to the referendum that leaving would be a mistake. Still people chose to leave. Now we have plenty of data already showing that a majority believe Brexit to be a mistake.m, and have done for a considerable period of time. Why do we have to wait an arbitrary time before we listen to them? | |||
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"This is where it turns from the sublime to the ridiculous. It's hardly a disaster
How's it gone well? A lot of brexiters have admitted it's been a failure, Farage is one, Eustace has said the trade deals weren't good, frost also said pretty much the same thing...what's been good about it?
Did I say it has gone well?
I really think you should learn how to read. I think we'd have better interactions.
How would you describe a hit to GDP worse than the COVID pandemic?
Worse? That's subjective.
One compounded the other.
"The impact of Brexit on the UK economy will be worse in the long run compared to the coronavirus pandemic, the chairman of the Office for Budget Responsibility has said.
Richard Hughes said leaving the EU would reduce the UK's potential GDP by about 4% in the long term.
He said forecasts showed the pandemic would reduce GDP "by a further 2%".
"In the long term it is the case that Brexit has a bigger impact than the pandemic", he told the BBC."
Another recent study found they were at a similar level to be fair, but we are comparing Brexit with a pandemic here and it's not coming out well.
Who's comparing? Only you I think.
I'm well aware of what OBR say.
Can you tell me the last time a short term forecast was correct let alone a long term one?
And what is 'in the long term'?
I ask because plenty of people like to point to that statement when talking down Brexit but dismiss 'it'll take time'. It appears 'in time' suits when it suits and not when it doesn't.
You have almost exactly the same argument as every other Brexit Basher
The 4 percent hit to GDP has turned out to be broadly correct, can you name a financial upside to brexit or even just an upside.
Has it??
You have plenty of questions but no answers, yet earlier were complaining that I wouldn't answer you
Did I say there had been any upsides to Brexit?
How did you vote in the referendum?
I also voted remain.
I'm also not the type of person to live in the past, and I have learnt that to move forward in life you make the most of what is is on offer.
I honestly feel sorry for the people who can't let go, can't move forward and continually moan about how they are right and they were wrong, the constant grief they go through must be horrendous.
it is that blinkered vision that makes any form of discussion always end in the same place, nowhere.
Nobody can predict the outcome of Brexit, it is a real near term view that we are at now, it can't be used for success or failure. It will take another 10 years before we know the actual impacts of the decision of leaving the EU.
Of course you can, leaving a massive trading block and putting trade barriers up is always going to damage you economically.
That's like finding out you have cancer and not getting it treated because ...oh well
You are failing to look at potential and are holding onto the obvious fallout from exiting a trade deal.
To discuss things in a more rounded and productive way, that starting point needs lifting
We left the EU over 3.5 years ago. When does that ‘potential’ start to give way to reality?
I'm interested in when we will have some info on the potential too.
I will address you both:
The success or lack of, leaving the EU will not be known for a number of years.
The success or failure will never be measured in FOM, or short term pain or gain.
Right. So just blind faith, no information or evidence to suggest there is any potential for brexit to work out on favour of British people.
It’s a means of shutting down conversation, nothing more.
Rather the opposite... I have pointed out the reality and it is up to you whether you open your mind to the UK having a number of years to make the exit less painful that it is now, which was inevitable.
You can keep saying we were promised x y & z, but you are doing nothing more than pointing out the obvious.
You are waisting your time and effort as this is where we are, and to repeat myself for the 100th time, it will take a lot more time to evaluate the longterm effects of leaving the EU.
Seeing as there is zero evidence that there will be any long term benefits to brexit. It seems like blind faith is all we have.
I can't help you any further in understanding that there is no way of knowing the longterm outcome of brexit, today.
You are upset and angry at a result that you did not want, in my opinion the effort and anger you put into denouncing the brexit result and corresponding break from the EU could be channeled into some positive thinking and imagine how it might workout for the good.
If it doesn't end up there in the next 10 years, that is the time to get angry.
...and of course, in ten years time, if things don't improve, we will be told that it is too soon to know and in 50 years time we will have a much better idea if leaving the EU was the correct decision or not.
If I remember correctly, the arch Brexiteer, Jacob Rees-Mogg, was quoted as saying just that!
Meanwhile....
You are making up a scenario to suit your narrative.
If after a period of time it can be proven that leaving the EU was a mistake, and rejoining would be a huge improvement, it will lay the ground for change.
Until then, it is to early to predict the longterm outcome.
It was proven prior to the referendum that leaving would be a mistake. Still people chose to leave.
Now we have plenty of data already showing that a majority believe Brexit to be a mistake.m, and have done for a considerable period of time. Why do we have to wait an arbitrary time before we listen to them? ". How could anyone possibly prove that leaving would be a mistake. ? They would be merely making assumptions which could be true or false .It will be at least ten years from now before we can have access the full impact of the benefits of Brexit. | |||
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"This is where it turns from the sublime to the ridiculous. It's hardly a disaster
How's it gone well? A lot of brexiters have admitted it's been a failure, Farage is one, Eustace has said the trade deals weren't good, frost also said pretty much the same thing...what's been good about it?
Did I say it has gone well?
I really think you should learn how to read. I think we'd have better interactions.
How would you describe a hit to GDP worse than the COVID pandemic?
Worse? That's subjective.
One compounded the other.
"The impact of Brexit on the UK economy will be worse in the long run compared to the coronavirus pandemic, the chairman of the Office for Budget Responsibility has said.
Richard Hughes said leaving the EU would reduce the UK's potential GDP by about 4% in the long term.
He said forecasts showed the pandemic would reduce GDP "by a further 2%".
"In the long term it is the case that Brexit has a bigger impact than the pandemic", he told the BBC."
Another recent study found they were at a similar level to be fair, but we are comparing Brexit with a pandemic here and it's not coming out well.
Who's comparing? Only you I think.
I'm well aware of what OBR say.
Can you tell me the last time a short term forecast was correct let alone a long term one?
And what is 'in the long term'?
I ask because plenty of people like to point to that statement when talking down Brexit but dismiss 'it'll take time'. It appears 'in time' suits when it suits and not when it doesn't.
You have almost exactly the same argument as every other Brexit Basher
The 4 percent hit to GDP has turned out to be broadly correct, can you name a financial upside to brexit or even just an upside.
Has it??
You have plenty of questions but no answers, yet earlier were complaining that I wouldn't answer you
Did I say there had been any upsides to Brexit?
How did you vote in the referendum?
I also voted remain.
I'm also not the type of person to live in the past, and I have learnt that to move forward in life you make the most of what is is on offer.
I honestly feel sorry for the people who can't let go, can't move forward and continually moan about how they are right and they were wrong, the constant grief they go through must be horrendous.
it is that blinkered vision that makes any form of discussion always end in the same place, nowhere.
Nobody can predict the outcome of Brexit, it is a real near term view that we are at now, it can't be used for success or failure. It will take another 10 years before we know the actual impacts of the decision of leaving the EU.
Of course you can, leaving a massive trading block and putting trade barriers up is always going to damage you economically.
That's like finding out you have cancer and not getting it treated because ...oh well
You are failing to look at potential and are holding onto the obvious fallout from exiting a trade deal.
To discuss things in a more rounded and productive way, that starting point needs lifting
We left the EU over 3.5 years ago. When does that ‘potential’ start to give way to reality?
I'm interested in when we will have some info on the potential too.
I will address you both:
The success or lack of, leaving the EU will not be known for a number of years.
The success or failure will never be measured in FOM, or short term pain or gain.
Right. So just blind faith, no information or evidence to suggest there is any potential for brexit to work out on favour of British people.
It’s a means of shutting down conversation, nothing more.
Rather the opposite... I have pointed out the reality and it is up to you whether you open your mind to the UK having a number of years to make the exit less painful that it is now, which was inevitable.
You can keep saying we were promised x y & z, but you are doing nothing more than pointing out the obvious.
You are waisting your time and effort as this is where we are, and to repeat myself for the 100th time, it will take a lot more time to evaluate the longterm effects of leaving the EU.
Seeing as there is zero evidence that there will be any long term benefits to brexit. It seems like blind faith is all we have.
I can't help you any further in understanding that there is no way of knowing the longterm outcome of brexit, today.
You are upset and angry at a result that you did not want, in my opinion the effort and anger you put into denouncing the brexit result and corresponding break from the EU could be channeled into some positive thinking and imagine how it might workout for the good.
If it doesn't end up there in the next 10 years, that is the time to get angry.
...and of course, in ten years time, if things don't improve, we will be told that it is too soon to know and in 50 years time we will have a much better idea if leaving the EU was the correct decision or not.
If I remember correctly, the arch Brexiteer, Jacob Rees-Mogg, was quoted as saying just that!
Meanwhile....
You are making up a scenario to suit your narrative.
If after a period of time it can be proven that leaving the EU was a mistake, and rejoining would be a huge improvement, it will lay the ground for change.
Until then, it is to early to predict the longterm outcome.
It was proven prior to the referendum that leaving would be a mistake. Still people chose to leave.
Now we have plenty of data already showing that a majority believe Brexit to be a mistake.m, and have done for a considerable period of time. Why do we have to wait an arbitrary time before we listen to them? "Do we have an election every time we are not happy? You and others not understanding how long it takes to turn the ship, is now your responsibility. | |||
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"This is where it turns from the sublime to the ridiculous. It's hardly a disaster
How's it gone well? A lot of brexiters have admitted it's been a failure, Farage is one, Eustace has said the trade deals weren't good, frost also said pretty much the same thing...what's been good about it?
Did I say it has gone well?
I really think you should learn how to read. I think we'd have better interactions.
How would you describe a hit to GDP worse than the COVID pandemic?
Worse? That's subjective.
One compounded the other.
"The impact of Brexit on the UK economy will be worse in the long run compared to the coronavirus pandemic, the chairman of the Office for Budget Responsibility has said.
Richard Hughes said leaving the EU would reduce the UK's potential GDP by about 4% in the long term.
He said forecasts showed the pandemic would reduce GDP "by a further 2%".
"In the long term it is the case that Brexit has a bigger impact than the pandemic", he told the BBC."
Another recent study found they were at a similar level to be fair, but we are comparing Brexit with a pandemic here and it's not coming out well.
Who's comparing? Only you I think.
I'm well aware of what OBR say.
Can you tell me the last time a short term forecast was correct let alone a long term one?
And what is 'in the long term'?
I ask because plenty of people like to point to that statement when talking down Brexit but dismiss 'it'll take time'. It appears 'in time' suits when it suits and not when it doesn't.
You have almost exactly the same argument as every other Brexit Basher
The 4 percent hit to GDP has turned out to be broadly correct, can you name a financial upside to brexit or even just an upside.
Has it??
You have plenty of questions but no answers, yet earlier were complaining that I wouldn't answer you
Did I say there had been any upsides to Brexit?
How did you vote in the referendum?
I also voted remain.
I'm also not the type of person to live in the past, and I have learnt that to move forward in life you make the most of what is is on offer.
I honestly feel sorry for the people who can't let go, can't move forward and continually moan about how they are right and they were wrong, the constant grief they go through must be horrendous.
it is that blinkered vision that makes any form of discussion always end in the same place, nowhere.
Nobody can predict the outcome of Brexit, it is a real near term view that we are at now, it can't be used for success or failure. It will take another 10 years before we know the actual impacts of the decision of leaving the EU.
Of course you can, leaving a massive trading block and putting trade barriers up is always going to damage you economically.
That's like finding out you have cancer and not getting it treated because ...oh well
You are failing to look at potential and are holding onto the obvious fallout from exiting a trade deal.
To discuss things in a more rounded and productive way, that starting point needs lifting
We left the EU over 3.5 years ago. When does that ‘potential’ start to give way to reality?
I'm interested in when we will have some info on the potential too.
I will address you both:
The success or lack of, leaving the EU will not be known for a number of years.
The success or failure will never be measured in FOM, or short term pain or gain.
Right. So just blind faith, no information or evidence to suggest there is any potential for brexit to work out on favour of British people.
It’s a means of shutting down conversation, nothing more.
Rather the opposite... I have pointed out the reality and it is up to you whether you open your mind to the UK having a number of years to make the exit less painful that it is now, which was inevitable.
You can keep saying we were promised x y & z, but you are doing nothing more than pointing out the obvious.
You are waisting your time and effort as this is where we are, and to repeat myself for the 100th time, it will take a lot more time to evaluate the longterm effects of leaving the EU.
Seeing as there is zero evidence that there will be any long term benefits to brexit. It seems like blind faith is all we have.
I can't help you any further in understanding that there is no way of knowing the longterm outcome of brexit, today.
You are upset and angry at a result that you did not want, in my opinion the effort and anger you put into denouncing the brexit result and corresponding break from the EU could be channeled into some positive thinking and imagine how it might workout for the good.
If it doesn't end up there in the next 10 years, that is the time to get angry.
...and of course, in ten years time, if things don't improve, we will be told that it is too soon to know and in 50 years time we will have a much better idea if leaving the EU was the correct decision or not.
If I remember correctly, the arch Brexiteer, Jacob Rees-Mogg, was quoted as saying just that!
Meanwhile....
You are making up a scenario to suit your narrative.
If after a period of time it can be proven that leaving the EU was a mistake, and rejoining would be a huge improvement, it will lay the ground for change.
Until then, it is to early to predict the longterm outcome.
It was proven prior to the referendum that leaving would be a mistake. Still people chose to leave.
Now we have plenty of data already showing that a majority believe Brexit to be a mistake.m, and have done for a considerable period of time. Why do we have to wait an arbitrary time before we listen to them? . How could anyone possibly prove that leaving would be a mistake. ? They would be merely making assumptions which could be true or false .It will be at least ten years from now before we can have access the full impact of the benefits of Brexit. "There was myriad information about how leaving would negatively impact us both economically and socially. How could we prove prior to leaving that leaving would be a benefit? We couldn’t. But a large enough percentage of the population (around 25%) listened to those who said everything would be wonderful. But we now have a majority who now believe it to be a mistake. Should we listen to them? Maybe it’s ‘the will of the people’ | |||
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"This is where it turns from the sublime to the ridiculous. It's hardly a disaster
How's it gone well? A lot of brexiters have admitted it's been a failure, Farage is one, Eustace has said the trade deals weren't good, frost also said pretty much the same thing...what's been good about it?
Did I say it has gone well?
I really think you should learn how to read. I think we'd have better interactions.
How would you describe a hit to GDP worse than the COVID pandemic?
Worse? That's subjective.
One compounded the other.
"The impact of Brexit on the UK economy will be worse in the long run compared to the coronavirus pandemic, the chairman of the Office for Budget Responsibility has said.
Richard Hughes said leaving the EU would reduce the UK's potential GDP by about 4% in the long term.
He said forecasts showed the pandemic would reduce GDP "by a further 2%".
"In the long term it is the case that Brexit has a bigger impact than the pandemic", he told the BBC."
Another recent study found they were at a similar level to be fair, but we are comparing Brexit with a pandemic here and it's not coming out well.
Who's comparing? Only you I think.
I'm well aware of what OBR say.
Can you tell me the last time a short term forecast was correct let alone a long term one?
And what is 'in the long term'?
I ask because plenty of people like to point to that statement when talking down Brexit but dismiss 'it'll take time'. It appears 'in time' suits when it suits and not when it doesn't.
You have almost exactly the same argument as every other Brexit Basher
The 4 percent hit to GDP has turned out to be broadly correct, can you name a financial upside to brexit or even just an upside.
Has it??
You have plenty of questions but no answers, yet earlier were complaining that I wouldn't answer you
Did I say there had been any upsides to Brexit?
How did you vote in the referendum?
I also voted remain.
I'm also not the type of person to live in the past, and I have learnt that to move forward in life you make the most of what is is on offer.
I honestly feel sorry for the people who can't let go, can't move forward and continually moan about how they are right and they were wrong, the constant grief they go through must be horrendous.
it is that blinkered vision that makes any form of discussion always end in the same place, nowhere.
Nobody can predict the outcome of Brexit, it is a real near term view that we are at now, it can't be used for success or failure. It will take another 10 years before we know the actual impacts of the decision of leaving the EU.
Of course you can, leaving a massive trading block and putting trade barriers up is always going to damage you economically.
That's like finding out you have cancer and not getting it treated because ...oh well
You are failing to look at potential and are holding onto the obvious fallout from exiting a trade deal.
To discuss things in a more rounded and productive way, that starting point needs lifting
We left the EU over 3.5 years ago. When does that ‘potential’ start to give way to reality?
I'm interested in when we will have some info on the potential too.
I will address you both:
The success or lack of, leaving the EU will not be known for a number of years.
The success or failure will never be measured in FOM, or short term pain or gain.
Right. So just blind faith, no information or evidence to suggest there is any potential for brexit to work out on favour of British people.
It’s a means of shutting down conversation, nothing more.
Rather the opposite... I have pointed out the reality and it is up to you whether you open your mind to the UK having a number of years to make the exit less painful that it is now, which was inevitable.
You can keep saying we were promised x y & z, but you are doing nothing more than pointing out the obvious.
You are waisting your time and effort as this is where we are, and to repeat myself for the 100th time, it will take a lot more time to evaluate the longterm effects of leaving the EU.
Seeing as there is zero evidence that there will be any long term benefits to brexit. It seems like blind faith is all we have.
I can't help you any further in understanding that there is no way of knowing the longterm outcome of brexit, today.
You are upset and angry at a result that you did not want, in my opinion the effort and anger you put into denouncing the brexit result and corresponding break from the EU could be channeled into some positive thinking and imagine how it might workout for the good.
If it doesn't end up there in the next 10 years, that is the time to get angry.
...and of course, in ten years time, if things don't improve, we will be told that it is too soon to know and in 50 years time we will have a much better idea if leaving the EU was the correct decision or not.
If I remember correctly, the arch Brexiteer, Jacob Rees-Mogg, was quoted as saying just that!
Meanwhile....
You are making up a scenario to suit your narrative.
If after a period of time it can be proven that leaving the EU was a mistake, and rejoining would be a huge improvement, it will lay the ground for change.
Until then, it is to early to predict the longterm outcome.
It was proven prior to the referendum that leaving would be a mistake. Still people chose to leave.
Now we have plenty of data already showing that a majority believe Brexit to be a mistake.m, and have done for a considerable period of time. Why do we have to wait an arbitrary time before we listen to them?
Do we have an election every time we are not happy?
You and others not understanding how long it takes to turn the ship, is now your responsibility. "We warned that turning the ship was a stupid idea. Now don’t expect us to help out. | |||
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"I can't help you any further in understanding that there is no way of knowing the longterm outcome of brexit, today. You are upset and angry at a result that you did not want, in my opinion the effort and anger you put into denouncing the brexit result and corresponding break from the EU could be channeled into some positive thinking and imagine how it might workout for the good. If it doesn't end up there in the next 10 years, that is the time to get angry. ************************************ I agree wholeheartedly. All that pathetic negativity over something which is irreversible. I'm glad that I and most people I know have a little more of a positive outlook about most things. However, the vast majority of highly intelligent academics seem to be able to analyse cause and effect scenarios quite well. Whereas prominent Brexiters clutch air and breath only belief. For example, Peter Foster (FT Journalist) has written a factual book called “What Went Wrong with Brexit.” As the title suggests he looks at the economic roadblocks that are stifling the ideological aims of Brexit and if/how they can be overcome. The book deals with facts and the consequences of Brexit related Government policy. Daniel Hannan (the man who made a video of his vision of a fantasy 5-year post-Brexit Britain) has today reviewed Peter Foster’s book. Showing not one iota of embarrassment about his video, Hannan does not take on the substance of the book and instead rants about the delusions of Remainers and attacks the messenger instead of dealing with the facts. It is absolutely on par from what can be expected from Hannan, and to be honest what can be expected from most ardent Brexiters. It’s just hot air, believe more and hope for the best. " . Just because someone is an academic does not mean that they are right and in many cases there may be no substantive to their theories . Other criteria are probably a much better method of assessing performance. We can use directors reports and long term capital investment to assess the impact . Many of the predictions of the merchants of doom and gloom have failed to materialise . What about those remainders who seem pleased that 75,000 jobs would be lost in the City or George Osbournes prediction of an immediate recession.? We can probably ignore academics. Only a fool would ignore published accounts as they are a true reflection of company performance. I have yet to see many companies being concerned about the impact of Brexit. Inflation and the energy crisis are the issues that most companies would be concentrating on | |||
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"This is where it turns from the sublime to the ridiculous. It's hardly a disaster
How's it gone well? A lot of brexiters have admitted it's been a failure, Farage is one, Eustace has said the trade deals weren't good, frost also said pretty much the same thing...what's been good about it?
Did I say it has gone well?
I really think you should learn how to read. I think we'd have better interactions.
How would you describe a hit to GDP worse than the COVID pandemic?
Worse? That's subjective.
One compounded the other.
"The impact of Brexit on the UK economy will be worse in the long run compared to the coronavirus pandemic, the chairman of the Office for Budget Responsibility has said.
Richard Hughes said leaving the EU would reduce the UK's potential GDP by about 4% in the long term.
He said forecasts showed the pandemic would reduce GDP "by a further 2%".
"In the long term it is the case that Brexit has a bigger impact than the pandemic", he told the BBC."
Another recent study found they were at a similar level to be fair, but we are comparing Brexit with a pandemic here and it's not coming out well.
Who's comparing? Only you I think.
I'm well aware of what OBR say.
Can you tell me the last time a short term forecast was correct let alone a long term one?
And what is 'in the long term'?
I ask because plenty of people like to point to that statement when talking down Brexit but dismiss 'it'll take time'. It appears 'in time' suits when it suits and not when it doesn't.
You have almost exactly the same argument as every other Brexit Basher
The 4 percent hit to GDP has turned out to be broadly correct, can you name a financial upside to brexit or even just an upside.
Has it??
You have plenty of questions but no answers, yet earlier were complaining that I wouldn't answer you
Did I say there had been any upsides to Brexit?
How did you vote in the referendum?
I also voted remain.
I'm also not the type of person to live in the past, and I have learnt that to move forward in life you make the most of what is is on offer.
I honestly feel sorry for the people who can't let go, can't move forward and continually moan about how they are right and they were wrong, the constant grief they go through must be horrendous.
it is that blinkered vision that makes any form of discussion always end in the same place, nowhere.
Nobody can predict the outcome of Brexit, it is a real near term view that we are at now, it can't be used for success or failure. It will take another 10 years before we know the actual impacts of the decision of leaving the EU.
Of course you can, leaving a massive trading block and putting trade barriers up is always going to damage you economically.
That's like finding out you have cancer and not getting it treated because ...oh well
You are failing to look at potential and are holding onto the obvious fallout from exiting a trade deal.
To discuss things in a more rounded and productive way, that starting point needs lifting
We left the EU over 3.5 years ago. When does that ‘potential’ start to give way to reality?
I'm interested in when we will have some info on the potential too.
I will address you both:
The success or lack of, leaving the EU will not be known for a number of years.
The success or failure will never be measured in FOM, or short term pain or gain.
Right. So just blind faith, no information or evidence to suggest there is any potential for brexit to work out on favour of British people.
It’s a means of shutting down conversation, nothing more.
Rather the opposite... I have pointed out the reality and it is up to you whether you open your mind to the UK having a number of years to make the exit less painful that it is now, which was inevitable.
You can keep saying we were promised x y & z, but you are doing nothing more than pointing out the obvious.
You are waisting your time and effort as this is where we are, and to repeat myself for the 100th time, it will take a lot more time to evaluate the longterm effects of leaving the EU.
Seeing as there is zero evidence that there will be any long term benefits to brexit. It seems like blind faith is all we have.
I can't help you any further in understanding that there is no way of knowing the longterm outcome of brexit, today.
You are upset and angry at a result that you did not want, in my opinion the effort and anger you put into denouncing the brexit result and corresponding break from the EU could be channeled into some positive thinking and imagine how it might workout for the good.
If it doesn't end up there in the next 10 years, that is the time to get angry.
...and of course, in ten years time, if things don't improve, we will be told that it is too soon to know and in 50 years time we will have a much better idea if leaving the EU was the correct decision or not.
If I remember correctly, the arch Brexiteer, Jacob Rees-Mogg, was quoted as saying just that!
Meanwhile....
You are making up a scenario to suit your narrative.
If after a period of time it can be proven that leaving the EU was a mistake, and rejoining would be a huge improvement, it will lay the ground for change.
Until then, it is to early to predict the longterm outcome.
It was proven prior to the referendum that leaving would be a mistake. Still people chose to leave.
Now we have plenty of data already showing that a majority believe Brexit to be a mistake.m, and have done for a considerable period of time. Why do we have to wait an arbitrary time before we listen to them? "Nothing was 'proven' prior to the referendum. That would have been impossible, actually physically impossible. Why can't we wait for the 'long term' benefits, but are happy to use 'long term' forecasts when denouncing Brexit? | |||
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"This is where it turns from the sublime to the ridiculous. It's hardly a disaster
How's it gone well? A lot of brexiters have admitted it's been a failure, Farage is one, Eustace has said the trade deals weren't good, frost also said pretty much the same thing...what's been good about it?
Did I say it has gone well?
I really think you should learn how to read. I think we'd have better interactions.
How would you describe a hit to GDP worse than the COVID pandemic?
Worse? That's subjective.
One compounded the other.
"The impact of Brexit on the UK economy will be worse in the long run compared to the coronavirus pandemic, the chairman of the Office for Budget Responsibility has said.
Richard Hughes said leaving the EU would reduce the UK's potential GDP by about 4% in the long term.
He said forecasts showed the pandemic would reduce GDP "by a further 2%".
"In the long term it is the case that Brexit has a bigger impact than the pandemic", he told the BBC."
Another recent study found they were at a similar level to be fair, but we are comparing Brexit with a pandemic here and it's not coming out well.
Who's comparing? Only you I think.
I'm well aware of what OBR say.
Can you tell me the last time a short term forecast was correct let alone a long term one?
And what is 'in the long term'?
I ask because plenty of people like to point to that statement when talking down Brexit but dismiss 'it'll take time'. It appears 'in time' suits when it suits and not when it doesn't.
You have almost exactly the same argument as every other Brexit Basher
The 4 percent hit to GDP has turned out to be broadly correct, can you name a financial upside to brexit or even just an upside.
Has it??
You have plenty of questions but no answers, yet earlier were complaining that I wouldn't answer you
Did I say there had been any upsides to Brexit?
How did you vote in the referendum?
I also voted remain.
I'm also not the type of person to live in the past, and I have learnt that to move forward in life you make the most of what is is on offer.
I honestly feel sorry for the people who can't let go, can't move forward and continually moan about how they are right and they were wrong, the constant grief they go through must be horrendous.
it is that blinkered vision that makes any form of discussion always end in the same place, nowhere.
Nobody can predict the outcome of Brexit, it is a real near term view that we are at now, it can't be used for success or failure. It will take another 10 years before we know the actual impacts of the decision of leaving the EU.
Of course you can, leaving a massive trading block and putting trade barriers up is always going to damage you economically.
That's like finding out you have cancer and not getting it treated because ...oh well
You are failing to look at potential and are holding onto the obvious fallout from exiting a trade deal.
To discuss things in a more rounded and productive way, that starting point needs lifting
We left the EU over 3.5 years ago. When does that ‘potential’ start to give way to reality?
I'm interested in when we will have some info on the potential too.
I will address you both:
The success or lack of, leaving the EU will not be known for a number of years.
The success or failure will never be measured in FOM, or short term pain or gain.
Right. So just blind faith, no information or evidence to suggest there is any potential for brexit to work out on favour of British people.
It’s a means of shutting down conversation, nothing more.
Rather the opposite... I have pointed out the reality and it is up to you whether you open your mind to the UK having a number of years to make the exit less painful that it is now, which was inevitable.
You can keep saying we were promised x y & z, but you are doing nothing more than pointing out the obvious.
You are waisting your time and effort as this is where we are, and to repeat myself for the 100th time, it will take a lot more time to evaluate the longterm effects of leaving the EU.
Seeing as there is zero evidence that there will be any long term benefits to brexit. It seems like blind faith is all we have.
I can't help you any further in understanding that there is no way of knowing the longterm outcome of brexit, today.
You are upset and angry at a result that you did not want, in my opinion the effort and anger you put into denouncing the brexit result and corresponding break from the EU could be channeled into some positive thinking and imagine how it might workout for the good.
If it doesn't end up there in the next 10 years, that is the time to get angry.
...and of course, in ten years time, if things don't improve, we will be told that it is too soon to know and in 50 years time we will have a much better idea if leaving the EU was the correct decision or not.
If I remember correctly, the arch Brexiteer, Jacob Rees-Mogg, was quoted as saying just that!
Meanwhile....
You are making up a scenario to suit your narrative.
If after a period of time it can be proven that leaving the EU was a mistake, and rejoining would be a huge improvement, it will lay the ground for change.
Until then, it is to early to predict the longterm outcome.
It was proven prior to the referendum that leaving would be a mistake. Still people chose to leave.
Now we have plenty of data already showing that a majority believe Brexit to be a mistake.m, and have done for a considerable period of time. Why do we have to wait an arbitrary time before we listen to them? . How could anyone possibly prove that leaving would be a mistake. ? They would be merely making assumptions which could be true or false .It will be at least ten years from now before we can have access the full impact of the benefits of Brexit.
There was myriad information about how leaving would negatively impact us both economically and socially.
How could we prove prior to leaving that leaving would be a benefit? We couldn’t. But a large enough percentage of the population (around 25%) listened to those who said everything would be wonderful.
But we now have a majority who now believe it to be a mistake. Should we listen to them? Maybe it’s ‘the will of the people’"If they unite around a single pro re join party or series of pro re join parties to form a coalition, win an election or force a referendum then yes absolutely | |||
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