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By *melie LAL OP Woman
over a year ago
Peterborough |
Waiting list for hospital routine treatment and procedures doubled since precovid.
Includes those waiting for hip/knee ops, 1 in 7 people.
Of those, 383,000 have been waiting more than a year (govt pledges to eliminate those longer waits by march next year).
Cancer targets for starting treatment within two months is at 59%, not the expected target of 85%. Every 4 weeks of delay = up to 10% increase in death rate.
Record visits to the ED due to ageing population and growing population. July recorded higher numbers than winter numbers.
Source: BBC lunchtime news. |
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By *melie LAL OP Woman
over a year ago
Peterborough |
"Government blaming strikes.
Of course they would. 
Makes a change from blaming foreigners. Maybe they felt like changing it up. "
When they have been lethargic about negotiations, they make themselves look bad. |
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"37% of uk overweight
26% obese
10% smokers
5% taking drugs
50% driving polluting cars poisoning everyone
Nhs there to pick up the pieces"
Those figures are obviously wrong.
There's no way that drug use is limited to just 5% of the population, even if you do exclude legal and prescribed drugs. I'd put the figure closer to 25%. And all cars produce tyre and brake dust particles, so 100% of them are polluting. |
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"37% of uk overweight
26% obese
10% smokers
5% taking drugs
50% driving polluting cars poisoning everyone
Nhs there to pick up the pieces
Those figures are obviously wrong.
There's no way that drug use is limited to just 5% of the population, even if you do exclude legal and prescribed drugs. I'd put the figure closer to 25%. And all cars produce tyre and brake dust particles, so 100% of them are polluting."
100% of cars are polluting?
What about those that are not in use? I'd say that brings us below the 100% figure you mentioned. |
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By *irldnCouple
over a year ago
Brighton |
"37% of uk overweight
26% obese
10% smokers
5% taking drugs
50% driving polluting cars poisoning everyone
Nhs there to pick up the pieces
Those figures are obviously wrong.
There's no way that drug use is limited to just 5% of the population, even if you do exclude legal and prescribed drugs. I'd put the figure closer to 25%. And all cars produce tyre and brake dust particles, so 100% of them are polluting."
Seeing as you like to demand evidence. What is the source of your 25% drug use figure? |
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"37% of uk overweight
26% obese
10% smokers
5% taking drugs
50% driving polluting cars poisoning everyone
Nhs there to pick up the pieces"
"Those figures are obviously wrong.
There's no way that drug use is limited to just 5% of the population, even if you do exclude legal and prescribed drugs. I'd put the figure closer to 25%. And all cars produce tyre and brake dust particles, so 100% of them are polluting."
"100% of cars are polluting?
What about those that are not in use? I'd say that brings us below the 100% figure you mentioned. "
That is a good point, I did only mean those cars that get driven. Curses to whoever taught you to focus on facts. |
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"37% of uk overweight
26% obese
10% smokers
5% taking drugs
50% driving polluting cars poisoning everyone
Nhs there to pick up the pieces"
"Those figures are obviously wrong.
There's no way that drug use is limited to just 5% of the population, even if you do exclude legal and prescribed drugs. I'd put the figure closer to 25%. And all cars produce tyre and brake dust particles, so 100% of them are polluting."
"Seeing as you like to demand evidence. What is the source of your 25% drug use figure?"
Just my feeling. That's why I was careful to label it as just my opinion. I'd be happy to see some actual facts if anyone has them. |
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"37% of uk overweight
26% obese
10% smokers
5% taking drugs
50% driving polluting cars poisoning everyone
Nhs there to pick up the pieces "
I'd guess the numbers are higher. Add alcohol to the list - a huge cost to health and criminal costs. Add sports injuries - self-inflicted. Anyway, the point is, we'll never have a functional healthcare system until people take responsibility for their own health. |
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By *otMe66Man
over a year ago
Terra Firma |
"37% of uk overweight
26% obese
10% smokers
5% taking drugs
50% driving polluting cars poisoning everyone
Nhs there to pick up the pieces
I'd guess the numbers are higher. Add alcohol to the list - a huge cost to health and criminal costs. Add sports injuries - self-inflicted. Anyway, the point is, we'll never have a functional healthcare system until people take responsibility for their own health."
I agree with this but the reality is those who don’t look after themselves are not going to be putting their future health needs at the front of their minds.
I think we will arrive at a NHS that is an A&E and life saving treatments only and a private healthcare system that will begin to thrive and expand. |
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"37% of uk overweight
26% obese
10% smokers
5% taking drugs
50% driving polluting cars poisoning everyone
Nhs there to pick up the pieces
Those figures are obviously wrong.
There's no way that drug use is limited to just 5% of the population, even if you do exclude legal and prescribed drugs. I'd put the figure closer to 25%. And all cars produce tyre and brake dust particles, so 100% of them are polluting.
100% of cars are polluting?
What about those that are not in use? I'd say that brings us below the 100% figure you mentioned.
That is a good point, I did only mean those cars that get driven. Curses to whoever taught you to focus on facts."
In this instance, it was you.  |
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"37% of uk overweight
26% obese
10% smokers
5% taking drugs
50% driving polluting cars poisoning everyone
Nhs there to pick up the pieces
I'd guess the numbers are higher. Add alcohol to the list - a huge cost to health and criminal costs. Add sports injuries - self-inflicted. Anyway, the point is, we'll never have a functional healthcare system until people take responsibility for their own health.
I agree with this but the reality is those who don’t look after themselves are not going to be putting their future health needs at the front of their minds.
I think we will arrive at a NHS that is an A&E and life saving treatments only and a private healthcare system that will begin to thrive and expand."
Do you think preventative care would be a part of a better system? |
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By *otMe66Man
over a year ago
Terra Firma |
"37% of uk overweight
26% obese
10% smokers
5% taking drugs
50% driving polluting cars poisoning everyone
Nhs there to pick up the pieces
I'd guess the numbers are higher. Add alcohol to the list - a huge cost to health and criminal costs. Add sports injuries - self-inflicted. Anyway, the point is, we'll never have a functional healthcare system until people take responsibility for their own health.
I agree with this but the reality is those who don’t look after themselves are not going to be putting their future health needs at the front of their minds.
I think we will arrive at a NHS that is an A&E and life saving treatments only and a private healthcare system that will begin to thrive and expand.
Do you think preventative care would be a part of a better system?"
I think we will end up with a 2 tier service, NHS for those that can’t afford private care.
The NHS will become a “you should of done better and be grateful” service, it is nearly there now.
Will it have preventative measures? I’m not sure they will bother, the money and will to pay NI will slip away leaving them on reactive measures only, is my opinion |
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By *melie LAL OP Woman
over a year ago
Peterborough |
"37% of uk overweight
26% obese
10% smokers
5% taking drugs
50% driving polluting cars poisoning everyone
Nhs there to pick up the pieces
I'd guess the numbers are higher. Add alcohol to the list - a huge cost to health and criminal costs. Add sports injuries - self-inflicted. Anyway, the point is, we'll never have a functional healthcare system until people take responsibility for their own health.
I agree with this but the reality is those who don’t look after themselves are not going to be putting their future health needs at the front of their minds.
I think we will arrive at a NHS that is an A&E and life saving treatments only and a private healthcare system that will begin to thrive and expand.
Do you think preventative care would be a part of a better system?"
We do have proactive care. It's not all reactive care but it needs to go further. Example smoking cessation. Research has shown it is cheaper for the NHS to support smoking cessation than to treat COPD. |
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By *melie LAL OP Woman
over a year ago
Peterborough |
Shame we cannot do proactive care for osteo- porosis and arthritis. I mean, it's just so selfish of people to have the genetic make-up that predisposes them to fractures when they are elderly and fall, and wear n tear on joints  |
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"37% of uk overweight
26% obese
10% smokers
5% taking drugs
50% driving polluting cars poisoning everyone
Nhs there to pick up the pieces
I'd guess the numbers are higher. Add alcohol to the list - a huge cost to health and criminal costs. Add sports injuries - self-inflicted. Anyway, the point is, we'll never have a functional healthcare system until people take responsibility for their own health.
I agree with this but the reality is those who don’t look after themselves are not going to be putting their future health needs at the front of their minds.
I think we will arrive at a NHS that is an A&E and life saving treatments only and a private healthcare system that will begin to thrive and expand.
Do you think preventative care would be a part of a better system?
I think we will end up with a 2 tier service, NHS for those that can’t afford private care.
The NHS will become a “you should of done better and be grateful” service, it is nearly there now.
Will it have preventative measures? I’m not sure they will bother, the money and will to pay NI will slip away leaving them on reactive measures only, is my opinion"
That's a grim outlook.
I hope something can be done to keep the NHS functioning. |
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By *eroy1000Man
over a year ago
milton keynes |
"Government blaming strikes.
Of course they would.
Makes a change from blaming foreigners. Maybe they felt like changing it up. "
Not defending the government one bit as this is obviously bad news but I think it's very possible that the strikes made a bad situation worse. According to the BBC the 3 day junior doctors strike alone led to 100,000 cancellations. |
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"Government blaming strikes.
Of course they would.
Makes a change from blaming foreigners. Maybe they felt like changing it up.
Not defending the government one bit as this is obviously bad news but I think it's very possible that the strikes made a bad situation worse. According to the BBC the 3 day junior doctors strike alone led to 100,000 cancellations."
If that estimate is correct. That's approx 1.25% of the total. |
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By *melie LAL OP Woman
over a year ago
Peterborough |
"Government blaming strikes.
Of course they would.
Makes a change from blaming foreigners. Maybe they felt like changing it up.
Not defending the government one bit as this is obviously bad news but I think it's very possible that the strikes made a bad situation worse. According to the BBC the 3 day junior doctors strike alone led to 100,000 cancellations."
Combining the effects of all the NHS strikes will not amount to the 3+ million, the doubling.
I agree they didn't help. But the govt should have negotiated better and quicker. |
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over a year ago
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"The waiting list has been growing since 2010, but obviously it’s the strikes
I would imagine the waiting list has been growing since 1948"
No it fell under New Labour. |
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An old article, but the problem is not UK specific:
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2022/dec/14/a-ticking-time-bomb-healthcare-under-threat-across-western-europe
An ageing population with a longer lifespan but the same retirement age, Covid for a few years, inflation due to war, and the inherent inefficiencies in any government run institutions - add them all together and this was bound to happen. Not sure why people are acting surprised.
The problem in Europe is that government healthcare is acting like a monopoly. There must be a thriving private healthcare sector working along with the public sector. |
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By *eroy1000Man
over a year ago
milton keynes |
"Government blaming strikes.
Of course they would.
Makes a change from blaming foreigners. Maybe they felt like changing it up.
Not defending the government one bit as this is obviously bad news but I think it's very possible that the strikes made a bad situation worse. According to the BBC the 3 day junior doctors strike alone led to 100,000 cancellations.
If that estimate is correct. That's approx 1.25% of the total."
The figure is from the BBC and is for the junior doctors only so the overall figure must be greater. It will still be a relatively small percentage when all added up but it accounts for a very large amount of people who's treatment is now behind schedule. As I say I'm not defending the government but feel it is wrong to dismiss the effects of strikes on patients and lists |
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"Government blaming strikes.
Of course they would.
Makes a change from blaming foreigners. Maybe they felt like changing it up.
Not defending the government one bit as this is obviously bad news but I think it's very possible that the strikes made a bad situation worse. According to the BBC the 3 day junior doctors strike alone led to 100,000 cancellations.
If that estimate is correct. That's approx 1.25% of the total.
The figure is from the BBC and is for the junior doctors only so the overall figure must be greater. It will still be a relatively small percentage when all added up but it accounts for a very large amount of people who's treatment is now behind schedule. As I say I'm not defending the government but feel it is wrong to dismiss the effects of strikes on patients and lists"
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"37% of uk overweight
26% obese
10% smokers
5% taking drugs
50% driving polluting cars poisoning everyone
Nhs there to pick up the pieces
Those figures are obviously wrong.
There's no way that drug use is limited to just 5% of the population, even if you do exclude legal and prescribed drugs. I'd put the figure closer to 25%. And all cars produce tyre and brake dust particles, so 100% of them are polluting."
Easy solution then, ban all cars..... |
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