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"LABOUR by-election candidate is today unmasked as a Greenpeace zealot. Alistair Strathern, 33, posed as a zombie for an eco stunt. Should the likes of GreenPeace and Just stop oil be held as eco-terrorists" ************************************ Whatever this chap may or may not be, he looks as if he'll fit in well with the labour crew as they currently appear...... | |||
"LABOUR by-election candidate is today unmasked as a Greenpeace zealot. Alistair Strathern, 33, posed as a zombie for an eco stunt. Should the likes of GreenPeace and Just stop oil be held as eco-terrorists" No | |||
" Should the likes of GreenPeace and Just stop oil be held as eco-terrorists" No. Companies who contaminate the sea should be though | |||
"LABOUR by-election candidate is today unmasked as a Greenpeace zealot. Alistair Strathern, 33, posed as a zombie for an eco stunt. Should the likes of GreenPeace and Just stop oil be held as eco-terrorists" 
Yes, we need people in government who hold the moderate view that we need to continue to destroy the planet as fast as possible for oil company profits.
We can't have these extremists who think we should consider keeping the planet habitable for future generations, getting anywhere near government. | |||
" Should the likes of GreenPeace and Just stop oil be held as eco-terrorists No. Companies who contaminate the sea should be though" Who are currently under investigation. To cover up a cover up have an investigation and destroy all the evidence. It's disgusting that nobody is ever held to account. | |||
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"LABOUR by-election candidate is today unmasked as a Greenpeace zealot. Alistair Strathern, 33, posed as a zombie for an eco stunt. Should the likes of GreenPeace and Just stop oil be held as eco-terrorists" No, why should they be? Our current trajectory as a species has us heading towards a much more inhospitable world where 2°C is likely a best case scenario but which would take a huge amount of systematic change to reach (including the banning of private jets and other incredibly unsustainable luxury items a minority of the species uses), and we risk going much further if tipping points are triggered. There's very possibly going to be the collapse of global industrial civilization this century as the conditions that allowed our species to function in greater and greater numbers and form complex societies (the semi stable climate conditions of the Holocene period that allowed agriculture) as crop failures increase, destabilisation of earth systems accelerates, conflicts over resources, water security and even arable land develop leading to more refugees than countries can deal with, all the while various self serving empires that threaten us all try to maintain normality and increase their control over the globe. Anthropogenic climate change, pollution, the vast quantities of new chemicals and plastics in the biosphere, topsoil erosion and ecological degradation are not independent problems. They're symptoms of a much harder to deal with problem: human overshoot and a naive mentality that has many convinced they are above nature and humans are masters of it, not recognising that we are simply part of it. The modern world may seem "normal" to us because we grew accustomed to it and have normalised it, but there's nothing at all normal about the massive amounts of energy and resources we consume which just increases year by year. | |||
" Our current trajectory as a species has us heading towards a much more inhospitable world where 2°C is likely a best case scenario but which would take a huge amount of systematic change to reach (including the banning of private jets and other incredibly unsustainable luxury items a minority of the species uses), and we risk going much further if tipping points are triggered. There's very possibly going to be the collapse of global industrial civilization this century as the conditions that allowed our species to function in greater and greater numbers and form complex societies (the semi stable climate conditions of the Holocene period that allowed agriculture) as crop failures increase, destabilisation of earth systems accelerates, conflicts over resources, water security and even arable land develop leading to more refugees than countries can deal with, all the while various self serving empires that threaten us all try to maintain normality and increase their control over the globe. Anthropogenic climate change, pollution, the vast quantities of new chemicals and plastics in the biosphere, topsoil erosion and ecological degradation are not independent problems. They're symptoms of a much harder to deal with problem: human overshoot and a naive mentality that has many convinced they are above nature and humans are masters of it, not recognising that we are simply part of it. The modern world may seem "normal" to us because we grew accustomed to it and have normalised it, but there's nothing at all normal about the massive amounts of energy and resources we consume which just increases year by year. " All of this, and accelerated by 25% increase in global population over next 50 years. The bulk of that increase to 10bn people on the planet coming from emerging economies aspiring to western living standards, and the consumption and pollution that comes with it. UN say 50 % more food will be required by 2050, and tens of millions people in the world already currently at risk of starvation. | |||
" Our current trajectory as a species has us heading towards a much more inhospitable world where 2°C is likely a best case scenario but which would take a huge amount of systematic change to reach (including the banning of private jets and other incredibly unsustainable luxury items a minority of the species uses), and we risk going much further if tipping points are triggered. There's very possibly going to be the collapse of global industrial civilization this century as the conditions that allowed our species to function in greater and greater numbers and form complex societies (the semi stable climate conditions of the Holocene period that allowed agriculture) as crop failures increase, destabilisation of earth systems accelerates, conflicts over resources, water security and even arable land develop leading to more refugees than countries can deal with, all the while various self serving empires that threaten us all try to maintain normality and increase their control over the globe. Anthropogenic climate change, pollution, the vast quantities of new chemicals and plastics in the biosphere, topsoil erosion and ecological degradation are not independent problems. They're symptoms of a much harder to deal with problem: human overshoot and a naive mentality that has many convinced they are above nature and humans are masters of it, not recognising that we are simply part of it. The modern world may seem "normal" to us because we grew accustomed to it and have normalised it, but there's nothing at all normal about the massive amounts of energy and resources we consume which just increases year by year. All of this, and accelerated by 25% increase in global population over next 50 years. The bulk of that increase to 10bn people on the planet coming from emerging economies aspiring to western living standards, and the consumption and pollution that comes with it. UN say 50 % more food will be required by 2050, and tens of millions people in the world already currently at risk of starvation. " Yep, I'm in no way calling for eugenics, but just seeing the impartial ugly truth of the matter. Any species that has nothing keeping its population in check is vulnerable to breeding too much and destroying the environment it relies on, leading to devastating consequences down the line for everything living in that environment. We are incredible and capable of great things and compassion, but we're still vulnerable to that and our compassion and ability to care deeply for one another is also a double edged sword in how in how just since 1900, the global population has more than quadrupled with how good medicine and sanitation has gotten. That would be a problem in itself, but it wouldn't be as serious as it is how if it weren't also how we've been conditioned by a very successful marketing industry to consume far more quantities of materials, goods and energy than we ever have before. This hyperconsumption (mostly of goods produced by huge multinational companies) started in the west, but as our population growth slowed, it was taken up by the developing countries that had seen these lavish lifestyles in media for decades and couldn't be blamed for wanting to mimic it. For our growth focused economic systems, they need constant population growth as they need more consumers and more workers. Unfortunately they're completely disconnected from the real reality outside the little human bubble as humanity is at a point where we need to slow the fuck down and scale back if we even want to maintain some sort of normality. At the beginning of the agricultural revolution, humans made up about 1% of the total mammalian biomass on the planet. At this point, it's around 34-36%, with 66% being domestic animals because we've become so overly accustomed to animal products. Wild mammals are around 1-2% at this point. This ancient planet that hurtles around the sun at 30km/s is much more than mere commodities for us. | |||
" Should the likes of GreenPeace and Just stop oil be held as eco-terrorists" No. That would be stupid. | |||
"At the beginning of the agricultural revolution, humans made up about 1% of the total mammalian biomass on the planet. At this point, it's around 34-36%, with 66% being domestic animals because we've become so overly accustomed to animal products. Wild mammals are around 1-2% at this point." 36 + 66 + 2 = 104% Are you sure you've got your maths right? | |||
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"I think many must like raw sewage, with excrement floating, as their preferred environmental goal. Perhaps conservative prospective MPs could do their canvassing whilst wild swimming, buffeted by other turds" Gove could be made to do it, now that he's easing restrictions on housebuilding sewage mitigations  | |||
