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"Is it time to close all boarders now and end Global migration. So we can clear the backlog before letting any more in. Just say no." The only backlog we have is in processing asylum seekers, and they mostly arrive via non-standard routes. Closing the borders won't make any difference to the numbers that arrive. Unless you are saying that we should stop issuing visas to people with useful skills who want to come and work here. Perhaps you could explain why you feel that "letting any more in" would be a bad thing. | |||
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"Is it time to close all boarders now and end Global migration. So we can clear the backlog before letting any more in. Just say no." No. | |||
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"Is it time to close all boarders now and end Global migration. So we can clear the backlog before letting any more in. Just say no." No. | |||
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"Is it time to close all boarders now and end Global migration. So we can clear the backlog before letting any more in. Just say no." . Were we to adopt such a policy it would stop companies relying on cheap foreign labour , incentivise mechanisation and place a much greater emphasis on the need to train those already resident in the UK for jobs where supply of labour is already short . It is estimated that immigration has caused house prices to rise by circa 13 % so our existing policy has hardly helped anyone attempting to buy a house. | |||
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 I thought this was about getting rid of Boarding Schools! Silly me  | |||
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"If you think it’s bad now wait till it kicks off in West Africa. " What's going to happen then, even more blaming foreigners for all the shortcomings of the government? | |||
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"If you think it’s bad now wait till it kicks off in West Africa. What's going to happen then, even more blaming foreigners for all the shortcomings of the government?" If you’re asking what he means how can you then go on to have an opinion | |||
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"If you think it’s bad now wait till it kicks off in West Africa. What's going to happen then, even more blaming foreigners for all the shortcomings of the government? If you’re asking what he means how can you then go on to have an opinion "What? | |||
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"If you think it’s bad now wait till it kicks off in West Africa. What's going to happen then, even more blaming foreigners for all the shortcomings of the government? If you’re asking what he means how can you then go on to have an opinion
What?"You start off asking what’s going to happen? Most would leave it there and wait for clarity, but you went onto then fill in the blanks with what you think he meant. | |||
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"If you think it’s bad now wait till it kicks off in West Africa. What's going to happen then, even more blaming foreigners for all the shortcomings of the government? If you’re asking what he means how can you then go on to have an opinion
What?
You start off asking what’s going to happen? Most would leave it there and wait for clarity, but you went onto then fill in the blanks with what you think he meant.
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"If you think it’s bad now wait till it kicks off in West Africa. What's going to happen then, even more blaming foreigners for all the shortcomings of the government? If you’re asking what he means how can you then go on to have an opinion
What?
You start off asking what’s going to happen? Most would leave it there and wait for clarity, but you went onto then fill in the blanks with what you think he meant.
"Does the bickering have to start once again? Johnny has an opinion. NotMe has an opinion. They are different. But can’t we stay on topic rather than argue about whether it is ok to have an opinion or how you present your opinion? Maybe we need a thread where everyone (not saying I am blameless in this) just throws shit at each other. Might be cathartic? But almost every single thread is getting derailed with huge scrolling reply+quote responses that invariably have less and less to do with the actual topic! We are all smarter and better than that surely? | |||
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"If you think it’s bad now wait till it kicks off in West Africa. What's going to happen then, even more blaming foreigners for all the shortcomings of the government? If you’re asking what he means how can you then go on to have an opinion
What?
You start off asking what’s going to happen? Most would leave it there and wait for clarity, but you went onto then fill in the blanks with what you think he meant.
Does the bickering have to start once again?
Johnny has an opinion. NotMe has an opinion. They are different. But can’t we stay on topic rather than argue about whether it is ok to have an opinion or how you present your opinion?
Maybe we need a thread where everyone (not saying I am blameless in this) just throws shit at each other. Might be cathartic?
But almost every single thread is getting derailed with huge scrolling reply+quote responses that invariably have less and less to do with the actual topic!
We are all smarter and better than that surely?"I think what Notme was saying is 'ask a question or have an opinion but don't disguise your opinion as a question'. Personally I think that's a fair comment. | |||
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"If you think it’s bad now wait till it kicks off in West Africa. What's going to happen then, even more blaming foreigners for all the shortcomings of the government? If you’re asking what he means how can you then go on to have an opinion
What?
You start off asking what’s going to happen? Most would leave it there and wait for clarity, but you went onto then fill in the blanks with what you think he meant.
Does the bickering have to start once again?
Johnny has an opinion. NotMe has an opinion. They are different. But can’t we stay on topic rather than argue about whether it is ok to have an opinion or how you present your opinion?
Maybe we need a thread where everyone (not saying I am blameless in this) just throws shit at each other. Might be cathartic?
But almost every single thread is getting derailed with huge scrolling reply+quote responses that invariably have less and less to do with the actual topic!
We are all smarter and better than that surely?"I wouldn’t say this one is bickering, I’m curious | |||
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"If you think it’s bad now wait till it kicks off in West Africa. What's going to happen then, even more blaming foreigners for all the shortcomings of the government? If you’re asking what he means how can you then go on to have an opinion
What?
You start off asking what’s going to happen? Most would leave it there and wait for clarity, but you went onto then fill in the blanks with what you think he meant.
Does the bickering have to start once again?
Johnny has an opinion. NotMe has an opinion. They are different. But can’t we stay on topic rather than argue about whether it is ok to have an opinion or how you present your opinion?
Maybe we need a thread where everyone (not saying I am blameless in this) just throws shit at each other. Might be cathartic?
But almost every single thread is getting derailed with huge scrolling reply+quote responses that invariably have less and less to do with the actual topic!
We are all smarter and better than that surely?
I think what Notme was saying is 'ask a question or have an opinion but don't disguise your opinion as a question'. Personally I think that's a fair comment. " | |||
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"If you think it’s bad now wait till it kicks off in West Africa. What's going to happen then, even more blaming foreigners for all the shortcomings of the government? If you’re asking what he means how can you then go on to have an opinion
What?
You start off asking what’s going to happen? Most would leave it there and wait for clarity, but you went onto then fill in the blanks with what you think he meant.
Does the bickering have to start once again?
Johnny has an opinion. NotMe has an opinion. They are different. But can’t we stay on topic rather than argue about whether it is ok to have an opinion or how you present your opinion?
Maybe we need a thread where everyone (not saying I am blameless in this) just throws shit at each other. Might be cathartic?
But almost every single thread is getting derailed with huge scrolling reply+quote responses that invariably have less and less to do with the actual topic!
We are all smarter and better than that surely?
I wouldn’t say this one is bickering, I’m curious "You were correct | |||
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"If you think it’s bad now wait till it kicks off in West Africa. What's going to happen then, even more blaming foreigners for all the shortcomings of the government? If you’re asking what he means how can you then go on to have an opinion
What?
You start off asking what’s going to happen? Most would leave it there and wait for clarity, but you went onto then fill in the blanks with what you think he meant.
Does the bickering have to start once again?
Johnny has an opinion. NotMe has an opinion. They are different. But can’t we stay on topic rather than argue about whether it is ok to have an opinion or how you present your opinion?
Maybe we need a thread where everyone (not saying I am blameless in this) just throws shit at each other. Might be cathartic?
But almost every single thread is getting derailed with huge scrolling reply+quote responses that invariably have less and less to do with the actual topic!
We are all smarter and better than that surely?
I wouldn’t say this one is bickering, I’m curious
You were correct "Fair enough | |||
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"If you think it’s bad now wait till it kicks off in West Africa. What's going to happen then, even more blaming foreigners for all the shortcomings of the government?" No if Ecowas intervene it could cause mass famine and a humanitarian crisis resulting in another migration crisis. Not quite sure what you are babbling on about though mate but you do you. | |||
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"If you think it’s bad now wait till it kicks off in West Africa. What's going to happen then, even more blaming foreigners for all the shortcomings of the government? No if Ecowas intervene it could cause mass famine and a humanitarian crisis resulting in another migration crisis. Not quite sure what you are babbling on about though mate but you do you. "The mass famine and humanitarian crisis sound like the parts of this we should be concerned over more than some more foriegners coming over 'ere. | |||
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"If you think it’s bad now wait till it kicks off in West Africa. What's going to happen then, even more blaming foreigners for all the shortcomings of the government? If you’re asking what he means how can you then go on to have an opinion
What?
You start off asking what’s going to happen? Most would leave it there and wait for clarity, but you went onto then fill in the blanks with what you think he meant.
"************************************ You can't 'win' with these people. Just an honest observation, based on previous experience....... | |||
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"If you think it’s bad now wait till it kicks off in West Africa. What's going to happen then, even more blaming foreigners for all the shortcomings of the government? If you’re asking what he means how can you then go on to have an opinion
What?
You start off asking what’s going to happen? Most would leave it there and wait for clarity, but you went onto then fill in the blanks with what you think he meant.
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You can't 'win' with these people.
Just an honest observation, based on previous experience......."The blue arrow by your name shows that the vast majority of your posts are personal against me. I don't ever remember interacting with you in any way aside from these. Why do you follow me around the forums having a go all the time? If my existence causes you to be so upset, why don't you just ignore my posts? It really is unpleasant behaviour that takes the fun out of posting on the forums. | |||
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"If you think it’s bad now wait till it kicks off in West Africa. What's going to happen then, even more blaming foreigners for all the shortcomings of the government? No if Ecowas intervene it could cause mass famine and a humanitarian crisis resulting in another migration crisis. Not quite sure what you are babbling on about though mate but you do you.
The mass famine and humanitarian crisis sound like the parts of this we should be concerned over more than some more foriegners coming over 'ere."Exactly has the migration now become a mass distraction. | |||
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"If you think it’s bad now wait till it kicks off in West Africa. What's going to happen then, even more blaming foreigners for all the shortcomings of the government? No if Ecowas intervene it could cause mass famine and a humanitarian crisis resulting in another migration crisis. Not quite sure what you are babbling on about though mate but you do you.
The mass famine and humanitarian crisis sound like the parts of this we should be concerned over more than some more foriegners coming over 'ere.
Exactly has the migration now become a mass distraction."This is my view. Although it's been happening for a long time. | |||
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"If you think it’s bad now wait till it kicks off in West Africa. What's going to happen then, even more blaming foreigners for all the shortcomings of the government? If you’re asking what he means how can you then go on to have an opinion
What?
You start off asking what’s going to happen? Most would leave it there and wait for clarity, but you went onto then fill in the blanks with what you think he meant.
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You can't 'win' with these people.
Just an honest observation, based on previous experience.......
The blue arrow by your name shows that the vast majority of your posts are personal against me.
I don't ever remember interacting with you in any way aside from these. Why do you follow me around the forums having a go all the time? If my existence causes you to be so upset, why don't you just ignore my posts?
It really is unpleasant behaviour that takes the fun out of posting on the forums."********************************* Rubbish. It's what you post I oppose, not 'you', whoever 'you' are. I'm sorry if you take it personal every time. | |||
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"If you think it’s bad now wait till it kicks off in West Africa. What's going to happen then, even more blaming foreigners for all the shortcomings of the government? If you’re asking what he means how can you then go on to have an opinion
What?
You start off asking what’s going to happen? Most would leave it there and wait for clarity, but you went onto then fill in the blanks with what you think he meant.
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You can't 'win' with these people.
Just an honest observation, based on previous experience.......
The blue arrow by your name shows that the vast majority of your posts are personal against me.
I don't ever remember interacting with you in any way aside from these. Why do you follow me around the forums having a go all the time? If my existence causes you to be so upset, why don't you just ignore my posts?
It really is unpleasant behaviour that takes the fun out of posting on the forums.
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Rubbish.
It's what you post I oppose, not 'you', whoever 'you' are.
I'm sorry if you take it personal every time."Maybe try referencing what I post instead of making it personal about me then? | |||
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"If you think it’s bad now wait till it kicks off in West Africa. What's going to happen then, even more blaming foreigners for all the shortcomings of the government? If you’re asking what he means how can you then go on to have an opinion
What?
You start off asking what’s going to happen? Most would leave it there and wait for clarity, but you went onto then fill in the blanks with what you think he meant.
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You can't 'win' with these people.
Just an honest observation, based on previous experience.......
The blue arrow by your name shows that the vast majority of your posts are personal against me.
I don't ever remember interacting with you in any way aside from these. Why do you follow me around the forums having a go all the time? If my existence causes you to be so upset, why don't you just ignore my posts?
It really is unpleasant behaviour that takes the fun out of posting on the forums.
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Rubbish.
It's what you post I oppose, not 'you', whoever 'you' are.
I'm sorry if you take it personal every time."Just an honest observation - I think you have had a tendency to play the man not the ball. Just saying  | |||
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"Is it time to close all boarders now and end Global migration. So we can clear the backlog before letting any more in. Just say no." Grant them all right to stay, them watch the international corporations set up in the UK with the promise of cheap labour.  | |||
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"Is it time to close all boarders now and end Global migration. So we can clear the backlog before letting any more in. Just say no. Grant them all right to stay, them watch the international corporations set up in the UK with the promise of cheap labour. "I'm with you let them all stay kick them on the street with £2000 and tel them to sort them self out. Why are we housing people if they want to come let them but don't give so much. Yes diferant for children but we have now created a system where if you get yo the UK you get a roof and food free at a decent standard. But vetrans and others get nothing. | |||
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"Is it time to close all boarders now and end Global migration. So we can clear the backlog before letting any more in. Just say no. Grant them all right to stay, them watch the international corporations set up in the UK with the promise of cheap labour.
I'm with you let them all stay kick them on the street with £2000 and tel them to sort them self out.
Why are we housing people if they want to come let them but don't give so much.
Yes diferant for children but we have now created a system where if you get yo the UK you get a roof and food free at a decent standard.
But vetrans and others get nothing."Do you think if we treated asylum seekers worse than we do, that somehow the government would start treating ex service personnel better? Why can't we do both? | |||
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"Is it time to close all boarders now and end Global migration. So we can clear the backlog before letting any more in. Just say no." Hope not I'm booked to go to Tenerife soon, or does that not count? | |||
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"Oh I thought this was about getting rid of Boarding Schools! Silly me "Can't imagine some surfers being too happy, either! | |||
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"Oh I thought this was about getting rid of Boarding Schools! Silly me "Can't imagine some surfers being too happy, either! | |||
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"Is it time to close all boarders now and end Global migration. So we can clear the backlog before letting any more in. Just say no. Grant them all right to stay, them watch the international corporations set up in the UK with the promise of cheap labour.
I'm with you let them all stay kick them on the street with £2000 and tel them to sort them self out.
Why are we housing people if they want to come let them but don't give so much.
Yes diferant for children but we have now created a system where if you get yo the UK you get a roof and food free at a decent standard.
But vetrans and others get nothing.
Do you think if we treated asylum seekers worse than we do, that somehow the government would start treating ex service personnel better?
Why can't we do both?"So why can't we help everyone. Stop over crowding in social housing. Give everyone that needs a home have one guess while we are at it put everyone on benifit so nobody is a sl*ve to a mortgage or have to work to by food. Get everyone on waiting lists for operations sorted next week. You have to be realistic. The UK dose not have the land or infrastructure to house what it has let alone growing in number. Woodland is now 6% of what it was 100 years ago when population was 32 million people we are now at 67 million so with that growth we need a new city about the size of Liverpool every year. The penny dose not fit the slot. | |||
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"Is it time to close all boarders now and end Global migration. So we can clear the backlog before letting any more in. Just say no. Grant them all right to stay, them watch the international corporations set up in the UK with the promise of cheap labour.
I'm with you let them all stay kick them on the street with £2000 and tel them to sort them self out.
Why are we housing people if they want to come let them but don't give so much.
Yes diferant for children but we have now created a system where if you get yo the UK you get a roof and food free at a decent standard.
But vetrans and others get nothing.
Do you think if we treated asylum seekers worse than we do, that somehow the government would start treating ex service personnel better?
Why can't we do both?
So why can't we help everyone. Stop over crowding in social housing. Give everyone that needs a home have one guess while we are at it put everyone on benifit so nobody is a sl*ve to a mortgage or have to work to by food. Get everyone on waiting lists for operations sorted next week. You have to be realistic.
The UK dose not have the land or infrastructure to house what it has let alone growing in number. Woodland is now 6% of what it was 100 years ago when population was 32 million people we are now at 67 million so with that growth we need a new city about the size of Liverpool every year. The penny dose not fit the slot."Erm. Just talking about asylum seekers and ex service personnel. People always seem to think it's some kind of choice. Spoiler alert. The government doesn't give a fuck about either British or foreign poor people. If we were harsher to people arriving here seeking refuge, they wouldn't suddenly start helping anyone else. | |||
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"Is it time to close all boarders now and end Global migration. So we can clear the backlog before letting any more in. Just say no. Grant them all right to stay, them watch the international corporations set up in the UK with the promise of cheap labour.
I'm with you let them all stay kick them on the street with £2000 and tel them to sort them self out.
Why are we housing people if they want to come let them but don't give so much.
Yes diferant for children but we have now created a system where if you get yo the UK you get a roof and food free at a decent standard.
But vetrans and others get nothing.
Do you think if we treated asylum seekers worse than we do, that somehow the government would start treating ex service personnel better?
Why can't we do both?
So why can't we help everyone. Stop over crowding in social housing. Give everyone that needs a home have one guess while we are at it put everyone on benifit so nobody is a sl*ve to a mortgage or have to work to by food. Get everyone on waiting lists for operations sorted next week. You have to be realistic.
The UK dose not have the land or infrastructure to house what it has let alone growing in number. Woodland is now 6% of what it was 100 years ago when population was 32 million people we are now at 67 million so with that growth we need a new city about the size of Liverpool every year. The penny dose not fit the slot.
Erm. Just talking about asylum seekers and ex service personnel.
People always seem to think it's some kind of choice.
Spoiler alert. The government doesn't give a fuck about either British or foreign poor people. If we were harsher to people arriving here seeking refuge, they wouldn't suddenly start helping anyone else."I despair.... £8 billion on housing and feeding people who arrive here illegally. £188 billion on NHS, approx £345K a minute, every minute of the the year! Foreign aid budget for 2024 is £8.4 billion. £231 billion a year on benefits. What is your view now? Will you still preach the same mantra or can you see what you said is incorrect? | |||
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"Is it time to close all boarders now and end Global migration. So we can clear the backlog before letting any more in. Just say no. Grant them all right to stay, them watch the international corporations set up in the UK with the promise of cheap labour.
I'm with you let them all stay kick them on the street with £2000 and tel them to sort them self out.
Why are we housing people if they want to come let them but don't give so much.
Yes diferant for children but we have now created a system where if you get yo the UK you get a roof and food free at a decent standard.
But vetrans and others get nothing.
Do you think if we treated asylum seekers worse than we do, that somehow the government would start treating ex service personnel better?
Why can't we do both?
So why can't we help everyone. Stop over crowding in social housing. Give everyone that needs a home have one guess while we are at it put everyone on benifit so nobody is a sl*ve to a mortgage or have to work to by food. Get everyone on waiting lists for operations sorted next week. You have to be realistic.
The UK dose not have the land or infrastructure to house what it has let alone growing in number. Woodland is now 6% of what it was 100 years ago when population was 32 million people we are now at 67 million so with that growth we need a new city about the size of Liverpool every year. The penny dose not fit the slot.
Erm. Just talking about asylum seekers and ex service personnel.
People always seem to think it's some kind of choice.
Spoiler alert. The government doesn't give a fuck about either British or foreign poor people. If we were harsher to people arriving here seeking refuge, they wouldn't suddenly start helping anyone else.
I despair.... £8 billion on housing and feeding people who arrive here illegally.
£188 billion on NHS, approx £345K a minute, every minute of the the year!
Foreign aid budget for 2024 is £8.4 billion. £231 billion a year on benefits.
What is your view now? Will you still preach the same mantra or can you see what you said is incorrect? "What point are these figures demonstrating? | |||
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"Is it time to close all boarders now and end Global migration. So we can clear the backlog before letting any more in. Just say no. Grant them all right to stay, them watch the international corporations set up in the UK with the promise of cheap labour.
I'm with you let them all stay kick them on the street with £2000 and tel them to sort them self out.
Why are we housing people if they want to come let them but don't give so much.
Yes diferant for children but we have now created a system where if you get yo the UK you get a roof and food free at a decent standard.
But vetrans and others get nothing.
Do you think if we treated asylum seekers worse than we do, that somehow the government would start treating ex service personnel better?
Why can't we do both?
So why can't we help everyone. Stop over crowding in social housing. Give everyone that needs a home have one guess while we are at it put everyone on benifit so nobody is a sl*ve to a mortgage or have to work to by food. Get everyone on waiting lists for operations sorted next week. You have to be realistic.
The UK dose not have the land or infrastructure to house what it has let alone growing in number. Woodland is now 6% of what it was 100 years ago when population was 32 million people we are now at 67 million so with that growth we need a new city about the size of Liverpool every year. The penny dose not fit the slot.
Erm. Just talking about asylum seekers and ex service personnel.
People always seem to think it's some kind of choice.
Spoiler alert. The government doesn't give a fuck about either British or foreign poor people. If we were harsher to people arriving here seeking refuge, they wouldn't suddenly start helping anyone else.
I despair.... £8 billion on housing and feeding people who arrive here illegally.
£188 billion on NHS, approx £345K a minute, every minute of the the year!
Foreign aid budget for 2024 is £8.4 billion. £231 billion a year on benefits.
What is your view now? Will you still preach the same mantra or can you see what you said is incorrect?
What point are these figures demonstrating?"What do you think? | |||
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"Is it time to close all boarders now and end Global migration. So we can clear the backlog before letting any more in. Just say no. Grant them all right to stay, them watch the international corporations set up in the UK with the promise of cheap labour.
I'm with you let them all stay kick them on the street with £2000 and tel them to sort them self out.
Why are we housing people if they want to come let them but don't give so much.
Yes diferant for children but we have now created a system where if you get yo the UK you get a roof and food free at a decent standard.
But vetrans and others get nothing.
Do you think if we treated asylum seekers worse than we do, that somehow the government would start treating ex service personnel better?
Why can't we do both?
So why can't we help everyone. Stop over crowding in social housing. Give everyone that needs a home have one guess while we are at it put everyone on benifit so nobody is a sl*ve to a mortgage or have to work to by food. Get everyone on waiting lists for operations sorted next week. You have to be realistic.
The UK dose not have the land or infrastructure to house what it has let alone growing in number. Woodland is now 6% of what it was 100 years ago when population was 32 million people we are now at 67 million so with that growth we need a new city about the size of Liverpool every year. The penny dose not fit the slot.
Erm. Just talking about asylum seekers and ex service personnel.
People always seem to think it's some kind of choice.
Spoiler alert. The government doesn't give a fuck about either British or foreign poor people. If we were harsher to people arriving here seeking refuge, they wouldn't suddenly start helping anyone else.
I despair.... £8 billion on housing and feeding people who arrive here illegally.
£188 billion on NHS, approx £345K a minute, every minute of the the year!
Foreign aid budget for 2024 is £8.4 billion. £231 billion a year on benefits.
What is your view now? Will you still preach the same mantra or can you see what you said is incorrect?
What point are these figures demonstrating?
What do you think?"They clearly demonstrate the Govt spend (at least) 400b/year on the poor they don't give a fuck about | |||
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"Is it time to close all boarders now and end Global migration. So we can clear the backlog before letting any more in. Just say no. Grant them all right to stay, them watch the international corporations set up in the UK with the promise of cheap labour.
I'm with you let them all stay kick them on the street with £2000 and tel them to sort them self out.
Why are we housing people if they want to come let them but don't give so much.
Yes diferant for children but we have now created a system where if you get yo the UK you get a roof and food free at a decent standard.
But vetrans and others get nothing.
Do you think if we treated asylum seekers worse than we do, that somehow the government would start treating ex service personnel better?
Why can't we do both?
So why can't we help everyone. Stop over crowding in social housing. Give everyone that needs a home have one guess while we are at it put everyone on benifit so nobody is a sl*ve to a mortgage or have to work to by food. Get everyone on waiting lists for operations sorted next week. You have to be realistic.
The UK dose not have the land or infrastructure to house what it has let alone growing in number. Woodland is now 6% of what it was 100 years ago when population was 32 million people we are now at 67 million so with that growth we need a new city about the size of Liverpool every year. The penny dose not fit the slot.
Erm. Just talking about asylum seekers and ex service personnel.
People always seem to think it's some kind of choice.
Spoiler alert. The government doesn't give a fuck about either British or foreign poor people. If we were harsher to people arriving here seeking refuge, they wouldn't suddenly start helping anyone else.
I despair.... £8 billion on housing and feeding people who arrive here illegally.
£188 billion on NHS, approx £345K a minute, every minute of the the year!
Foreign aid budget for 2024 is £8.4 billion. £231 billion a year on benefits.
What is your view now? Will you still preach the same mantra or can you see what you said is incorrect?
What point are these figures demonstrating?
What do you think?
They clearly demonstrate the Govt spend (at least) 400b/year on the poor they don't give a fuck about "
Which is £759,878.41 every minute of every day of the year. | |||
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"Is it time to close all boarders now and end Global migration. So we can clear the backlog before letting any more in. Just say no. Grant them all right to stay, them watch the international corporations set up in the UK with the promise of cheap labour.
I'm with you let them all stay kick them on the street with £2000 and tel them to sort them self out.
Why are we housing people if they want to come let them but don't give so much.
Yes diferant for children but we have now created a system where if you get yo the UK you get a roof and food free at a decent standard.
But vetrans and others get nothing.
Do you think if we treated asylum seekers worse than we do, that somehow the government would start treating ex service personnel better?
Why can't we do both?
So why can't we help everyone. Stop over crowding in social housing. Give everyone that needs a home have one guess while we are at it put everyone on benifit so nobody is a sl*ve to a mortgage or have to work to by food. Get everyone on waiting lists for operations sorted next week. You have to be realistic.
The UK dose not have the land or infrastructure to house what it has let alone growing in number. Woodland is now 6% of what it was 100 years ago when population was 32 million people we are now at 67 million so with that growth we need a new city about the size of Liverpool every year. The penny dose not fit the slot.
Erm. Just talking about asylum seekers and ex service personnel.
People always seem to think it's some kind of choice.
Spoiler alert. The government doesn't give a fuck about either British or foreign poor people. If we were harsher to people arriving here seeking refuge, they wouldn't suddenly start helping anyone else.
I despair.... £8 billion on housing and feeding people who arrive here illegally.
£188 billion on NHS, approx £345K a minute, every minute of the the year!
Foreign aid budget for 2024 is £8.4 billion. £231 billion a year on benefits.
What is your view now? Will you still preach the same mantra or can you see what you said is incorrect?
What point are these figures demonstrating?
What do you think?
They clearly demonstrate the Govt spend (at least) 400b/year on the poor they don't give a fuck about
Which is £759,878.41 every minute of every day of the year. "Nearly 50m/day on the poor. Fuck that. What a waste | |||
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"Is it time to close all boarders now and end Global migration. So we can clear the backlog before letting any more in. Just say no. Grant them all right to stay, them watch the international corporations set up in the UK with the promise of cheap labour.
I'm with you let them all stay kick them on the street with £2000 and tel them to sort them self out.
Why are we housing people if they want to come let them but don't give so much.
Yes diferant for children but we have now created a system where if you get yo the UK you get a roof and food free at a decent standard.
But vetrans and others get nothing.
Do you think if we treated asylum seekers worse than we do, that somehow the government would start treating ex service personnel better?
Why can't we do both?
So why can't we help everyone. Stop over crowding in social housing. Give everyone that needs a home have one guess while we are at it put everyone on benifit so nobody is a sl*ve to a mortgage or have to work to by food. Get everyone on waiting lists for operations sorted next week. You have to be realistic.
The UK dose not have the land or infrastructure to house what it has let alone growing in number. Woodland is now 6% of what it was 100 years ago when population was 32 million people we are now at 67 million so with that growth we need a new city about the size of Liverpool every year. The penny dose not fit the slot.
Erm. Just talking about asylum seekers and ex service personnel.
People always seem to think it's some kind of choice.
Spoiler alert. The government doesn't give a fuck about either British or foreign poor people. If we were harsher to people arriving here seeking refuge, they wouldn't suddenly start helping anyone else.
I despair.... £8 billion on housing and feeding people who arrive here illegally.
£188 billion on NHS, approx £345K a minute, every minute of the the year!
Foreign aid budget for 2024 is £8.4 billion. £231 billion a year on benefits.
What is your view now? Will you still preach the same mantra or can you see what you said is incorrect?
What point are these figures demonstrating?
What do you think?
They clearly demonstrate the Govt spend (at least) 400b/year on the poor they don't give a fuck about
Which is £759,878.41 every minute of every day of the year.
Nearly 50m/day on the poor. Fuck that. What a waste "Oooh it is better than that, just over £1 billion in 24 hours. The numbers are mind boggling!!! | |||
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"Is it time to close all boarders now and end Global migration. So we can clear the backlog before letting any more in. Just say no. Grant them all right to stay, them watch the international corporations set up in the UK with the promise of cheap labour.
I'm with you let them all stay kick them on the street with £2000 and tel them to sort them self out.
Why are we housing people if they want to come let them but don't give so much.
Yes diferant for children but we have now created a system where if you get yo the UK you get a roof and food free at a decent standard.
But vetrans and others get nothing.
Do you think if we treated asylum seekers worse than we do, that somehow the government would start treating ex service personnel better?
Why can't we do both?
So why can't we help everyone. Stop over crowding in social housing. Give everyone that needs a home have one guess while we are at it put everyone on benifit so nobody is a sl*ve to a mortgage or have to work to by food. Get everyone on waiting lists for operations sorted next week. You have to be realistic.
The UK dose not have the land or infrastructure to house what it has let alone growing in number. Woodland is now 6% of what it was 100 years ago when population was 32 million people we are now at 67 million so with that growth we need a new city about the size of Liverpool every year. The penny dose not fit the slot.
Erm. Just talking about asylum seekers and ex service personnel.
People always seem to think it's some kind of choice.
Spoiler alert. The government doesn't give a fuck about either British or foreign poor people. If we were harsher to people arriving here seeking refuge, they wouldn't suddenly start helping anyone else.
I despair.... £8 billion on housing and feeding people who arrive here illegally.
£188 billion on NHS, approx £345K a minute, every minute of the the year!
Foreign aid budget for 2024 is £8.4 billion. £231 billion a year on benefits.
What is your view now? Will you still preach the same mantra or can you see what you said is incorrect?
What point are these figures demonstrating?
What do you think?"I think you're trying to divert the point away from discussing the other chaps assertion that we don't help ex service personnel because we help asylum seekers instead. | |||
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"Is it time to close all boarders now and end Global migration. So we can clear the backlog before letting any more in. Just say no. Grant them all right to stay, them watch the international corporations set up in the UK with the promise of cheap labour.
I'm with you let them all stay kick them on the street with £2000 and tel them to sort them self out.
Why are we housing people if they want to come let them but don't give so much.
Yes diferant for children but we have now created a system where if you get yo the UK you get a roof and food free at a decent standard.
But vetrans and others get nothing.
Do you think if we treated asylum seekers worse than we do, that somehow the government would start treating ex service personnel better?
Why can't we do both?
So why can't we help everyone. Stop over crowding in social housing. Give everyone that needs a home have one guess while we are at it put everyone on benifit so nobody is a sl*ve to a mortgage or have to work to by food. Get everyone on waiting lists for operations sorted next week. You have to be realistic.
The UK dose not have the land or infrastructure to house what it has let alone growing in number. Woodland is now 6% of what it was 100 years ago when population was 32 million people we are now at 67 million so with that growth we need a new city about the size of Liverpool every year. The penny dose not fit the slot.
Erm. Just talking about asylum seekers and ex service personnel.
People always seem to think it's some kind of choice.
Spoiler alert. The government doesn't give a fuck about either British or foreign poor people. If we were harsher to people arriving here seeking refuge, they wouldn't suddenly start helping anyone else.
I despair.... £8 billion on housing and feeding people who arrive here illegally.
£188 billion on NHS, approx £345K a minute, every minute of the the year!
Foreign aid budget for 2024 is £8.4 billion. £231 billion a year on benefits.
What is your view now? Will you still preach the same mantra or can you see what you said is incorrect?
What point are these figures demonstrating?
What do you think?
They clearly demonstrate the Govt spend (at least) 400b/year on the poor they don't give a fuck about
Which is £759,878.41 every minute of every day of the year.
Nearly 50m/day on the poor. Fuck that. What a waste
Oooh it is better than that, just over £1 billion in 24 hours. The numbers are mind boggling!!! "My maths was way off
1b/day is absolutely not anywhere near enough to show you care. It must be 1b/hour to show you care | |||
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"Erm. Just talking about asylum seekers and ex service personnel. People always seem to think it's some kind of choice. Spoiler alert. The government doesn't give a fuck about either British or foreign poor people. If we were harsher to people arriving here seeking refuge, they wouldn't suddenly start helping anyone else." ************************************ What made you come to the conclusion that the government "doesn't give a **** about either British or foreign poor people"..? Where is your evidence?? | |||
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"Is it time to close all boarders now and end Global migration. So we can clear the backlog before letting any more in. Just say no. Grant them all right to stay, them watch the international corporations set up in the UK with the promise of cheap labour.
I'm with you let them all stay kick them on the street with £2000 and tel them to sort them self out.
Why are we housing people if they want to come let them but don't give so much.
Yes diferant for children but we have now created a system where if you get yo the UK you get a roof and food free at a decent standard.
But vetrans and others get nothing.
Do you think if we treated asylum seekers worse than we do, that somehow the government would start treating ex service personnel better?
Why can't we do both?
So why can't we help everyone. Stop over crowding in social housing. Give everyone that needs a home have one guess while we are at it put everyone on benifit so nobody is a sl*ve to a mortgage or have to work to by food. Get everyone on waiting lists for operations sorted next week. You have to be realistic.
The UK dose not have the land or infrastructure to house what it has let alone growing in number. Woodland is now 6% of what it was 100 years ago when population was 32 million people we are now at 67 million so with that growth we need a new city about the size of Liverpool every year. The penny dose not fit the slot.
Erm. Just talking about asylum seekers and ex service personnel.
People always seem to think it's some kind of choice.
Spoiler alert. The government doesn't give a fuck about either British or foreign poor people. If we were harsher to people arriving here seeking refuge, they wouldn't suddenly start helping anyone else.
I despair.... £8 billion on housing and feeding people who arrive here illegally.
£188 billion on NHS, approx £345K a minute, every minute of the the year!
Foreign aid budget for 2024 is £8.4 billion. £231 billion a year on benefits.
What is your view now? Will you still preach the same mantra or can you see what you said is incorrect?
What point are these figures demonstrating?
What do you think?
They clearly demonstrate the Govt spend (at least) 400b/year on the poor they don't give a fuck about
Which is £759,878.41 every minute of every day of the year.
Nearly 50m/day on the poor. Fuck that. What a waste
Oooh it is better than that, just over £1 billion in 24 hours. The numbers are mind boggling!!!
My maths was way off
1b/day is absolutely not anywhere near enough to show you care. It must be 1b/hour to show you care "I think there needs to be a definition of who/what we mean by “poor”. The NHS budget - last I looked that was universally available to all including 40% and 45% tax payers. The benefits budget - I believe the single biggest part of this is the state pension, again universally available to all. Argue/debate by all means but let’s get the context right! | |||
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"Is it time to close all boarders now and end Global migration. So we can clear the backlog before letting any more in. Just say no. Grant them all right to stay, them watch the international corporations set up in the UK with the promise of cheap labour.
I'm with you let them all stay kick them on the street with £2000 and tel them to sort them self out.
Why are we housing people if they want to come let them but don't give so much.
Yes diferant for children but we have now created a system where if you get yo the UK you get a roof and food free at a decent standard.
But vetrans and others get nothing.
Do you think if we treated asylum seekers worse than we do, that somehow the government would start treating ex service personnel better?
Why can't we do both?
So why can't we help everyone. Stop over crowding in social housing. Give everyone that needs a home have one guess while we are at it put everyone on benifit so nobody is a sl*ve to a mortgage or have to work to by food. Get everyone on waiting lists for operations sorted next week. You have to be realistic.
The UK dose not have the land or infrastructure to house what it has let alone growing in number. Woodland is now 6% of what it was 100 years ago when population was 32 million people we are now at 67 million so with that growth we need a new city about the size of Liverpool every year. The penny dose not fit the slot.
Erm. Just talking about asylum seekers and ex service personnel.
People always seem to think it's some kind of choice.
Spoiler alert. The government doesn't give a fuck about either British or foreign poor people. If we were harsher to people arriving here seeking refuge, they wouldn't suddenly start helping anyone else.
I despair.... £8 billion on housing and feeding people who arrive here illegally.
£188 billion on NHS, approx £345K a minute, every minute of the the year!
Foreign aid budget for 2024 is £8.4 billion. £231 billion a year on benefits.
What is your view now? Will you still preach the same mantra or can you see what you said is incorrect?
What point are these figures demonstrating?
What do you think?
They clearly demonstrate the Govt spend (at least) 400b/year on the poor they don't give a fuck about
Which is £759,878.41 every minute of every day of the year.
Nearly 50m/day on the poor. Fuck that. What a waste
Oooh it is better than that, just over £1 billion in 24 hours. The numbers are mind boggling!!!
My maths was way off
1b/day is absolutely not anywhere near enough to show you care. It must be 1b/hour to show you care
I think there needs to be a definition of who/what we mean by “poor”.
The NHS budget - last I looked that was universally available to all including 40% and 45% tax payers.
The benefits budget - I believe the single biggest part of this is the state pension, again universally available to all.
Argue/debate by all means but let’s get the context right!"Oh I'm not arguing, just taking the piss. I believe whilst those you mention are universally available, they are aimed to aid the poorer in society. | |||
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"Erm. Just talking about asylum seekers and ex service personnel. People always seem to think it's some kind of choice. Spoiler alert. The government doesn't give a fuck about either British or foreign poor people. If we were harsher to people arriving here seeking refuge, they wouldn't suddenly start helping anyone else. ************************************ What made you come to the conclusion that the government "doesn't give a **** about either British or foreign poor people"..? Where is your evidence??" The evidence was provided by the other chap, he suggested we don't house ex service personnel. | |||
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"Is it time to close all boarders now and end Global migration. So we can clear the backlog before letting any more in. Just say no. Grant them all right to stay, them watch the international corporations set up in the UK with the promise of cheap labour.
I'm with you let them all stay kick them on the street with £2000 and tel them to sort them self out.
Why are we housing people if they want to come let them but don't give so much.
Yes diferant for children but we have now created a system where if you get yo the UK you get a roof and food free at a decent standard.
But vetrans and others get nothing.
Do you think if we treated asylum seekers worse than we do, that somehow the government would start treating ex service personnel better?
Why can't we do both?
So why can't we help everyone. Stop over crowding in social housing. Give everyone that needs a home have one guess while we are at it put everyone on benifit so nobody is a sl*ve to a mortgage or have to work to by food. Get everyone on waiting lists for operations sorted next week. You have to be realistic.
The UK dose not have the land or infrastructure to house what it has let alone growing in number. Woodland is now 6% of what it was 100 years ago when population was 32 million people we are now at 67 million so with that growth we need a new city about the size of Liverpool every year. The penny dose not fit the slot.
Erm. Just talking about asylum seekers and ex service personnel.
People always seem to think it's some kind of choice.
Spoiler alert. The government doesn't give a fuck about either British or foreign poor people. If we were harsher to people arriving here seeking refuge, they wouldn't suddenly start helping anyone else.
I despair.... £8 billion on housing and feeding people who arrive here illegally.
£188 billion on NHS, approx £345K a minute, every minute of the the year!
Foreign aid budget for 2024 is £8.4 billion. £231 billion a year on benefits.
What is your view now? Will you still preach the same mantra or can you see what you said is incorrect?
What point are these figures demonstrating?
What do you think?
They clearly demonstrate the Govt spend (at least) 400b/year on the poor they don't give a fuck about
Which is £759,878.41 every minute of every day of the year.
Nearly 50m/day on the poor. Fuck that. What a waste
Oooh it is better than that, just over £1 billion in 24 hours. The numbers are mind boggling!!!
My maths was way off
1b/day is absolutely not anywhere near enough to show you care. It must be 1b/hour to show you care
I think there needs to be a definition of who/what we mean by “poor”.
The NHS budget - last I looked that was universally available to all including 40% and 45% tax payers.
The benefits budget - I believe the single biggest part of this is the state pension, again universally available to all.
Argue/debate by all means but let’s get the context right!
Oh I'm not arguing, just taking the piss.
I believe whilst those you mention are universally available, they are aimed to aid the poorer in society.
"Are they? Going to sound like someone else here... where’s your evidence for that statement? Joking aside, it is actually irrelevant who it may be aimed at if it is a universal service or benefit. Now if anyone earning over xyz was forced to use private healthcare or not paid a state pension then yes maybe that is only for the poor. Again though, what defines “poor”? | |||
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"Erm. Just talking about asylum seekers and ex service personnel. People always seem to think it's some kind of choice. Spoiler alert. The government doesn't give a fuck about either British or foreign poor people. If we were harsher to people arriving here seeking refuge, they wouldn't suddenly start helping anyone else. ************************************ What made you come to the conclusion that the government "doesn't give a **** about either British or foreign poor people"..? Where is your evidence?? The evidence was provided by the other chap, he suggested we don't house ex service personnel." *************************** "Suggestions" are hardly evidence, are they..? | |||
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"Erm. Just talking about asylum seekers and ex service personnel. People always seem to think it's some kind of choice. Spoiler alert. The government doesn't give a fuck about either British or foreign poor people. If we were harsher to people arriving here seeking refuge, they wouldn't suddenly start helping anyone else. ************************************ What made you come to the conclusion that the government "doesn't give a **** about either British or foreign poor people"..? Where is your evidence?? The evidence was provided by the other chap, he suggested we don't house ex service personnel. *************************** "Suggestions" are hardly evidence, are they..?" Indeed. Feel free to take it up with the other chap. Maybe he has the evidence. | |||
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"Is it time to close all boarders now and end Global migration. So we can clear the backlog before letting any more in. Just say no. Grant them all right to stay, them watch the international corporations set up in the UK with the promise of cheap labour.
I'm with you let them all stay kick them on the street with £2000 and tel them to sort them self out.
Why are we housing people if they want to come let them but don't give so much.
Yes diferant for children but we have now created a system where if you get yo the UK you get a roof and food free at a decent standard.
But vetrans and others get nothing.
Do you think if we treated asylum seekers worse than we do, that somehow the government would start treating ex service personnel better?
Why can't we do both?
So why can't we help everyone. Stop over crowding in social housing. Give everyone that needs a home have one guess while we are at it put everyone on benifit so nobody is a sl*ve to a mortgage or have to work to by food. Get everyone on waiting lists for operations sorted next week. You have to be realistic.
The UK dose not have the land or infrastructure to house what it has let alone growing in number. Woodland is now 6% of what it was 100 years ago when population was 32 million people we are now at 67 million so with that growth we need a new city about the size of Liverpool every year. The penny dose not fit the slot.
Erm. Just talking about asylum seekers and ex service personnel.
People always seem to think it's some kind of choice.
Spoiler alert. The government doesn't give a fuck about either British or foreign poor people. If we were harsher to people arriving here seeking refuge, they wouldn't suddenly start helping anyone else.
I despair.... £8 billion on housing and feeding people who arrive here illegally.
£188 billion on NHS, approx £345K a minute, every minute of the the year!
Foreign aid budget for 2024 is £8.4 billion. £231 billion a year on benefits.
What is your view now? Will you still preach the same mantra or can you see what you said is incorrect?
What point are these figures demonstrating?
What do you think?
They clearly demonstrate the Govt spend (at least) 400b/year on the poor they don't give a fuck about
Which is £759,878.41 every minute of every day of the year.
Nearly 50m/day on the poor. Fuck that. What a waste
Oooh it is better than that, just over £1 billion in 24 hours. The numbers are mind boggling!!!
My maths was way off
1b/day is absolutely not anywhere near enough to show you care. It must be 1b/hour to show you care
I think there needs to be a definition of who/what we mean by “poor”.
The NHS budget - last I looked that was universally available to all including 40% and 45% tax payers.
The benefits budget - I believe the single biggest part of this is the state pension, again universally available to all.
Argue/debate by all means but let’s get the context right!
Oh I'm not arguing, just taking the piss.
I believe whilst those you mention are universally available, they are aimed to aid the poorer in society.
Are they? Going to sound like someone else here... where’s your evidence for that statement?
Joking aside, it is actually irrelevant who it may be aimed at if it is a universal service or benefit. Now if anyone earning over xyz was forced to use private healthcare or not paid a state pension then yes maybe that is only for the poor.
Again though, what defines “poor”?"I don't have evidence, that's why I said 'I believe'. I definitely didn't say they 'were only for the poor' Poor has a pretty clear definition. | |||
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"Erm. Just talking about asylum seekers and ex service personnel. People always seem to think it's some kind of choice. Spoiler alert. The government doesn't give a fuck about either British or foreign poor people. If we were harsher to people arriving here seeking refuge, they wouldn't suddenly start helping anyone else. ************************************ What made you come to the conclusion that the government "doesn't give a **** about either British or foreign poor people"..? Where is your evidence?? The evidence was provided by the other chap, he suggested we don't house ex service personnel. *************************** "Suggestions" are hardly evidence, are they..? Indeed. Feel free to take it up with the other chap. Maybe he has the evidence." Wasn't it your suggestion that the Govt "don't give a **** about either British or foreign poor people"? The other chap didn't say that, you did? That's what evidence is being asked for | |||
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"Is it time to close all boarders now and end Global migration. So we can clear the backlog before letting any more in. Just say no. Grant them all right to stay, them watch the international corporations set up in the UK with the promise of cheap labour.
I'm with you let them all stay kick them on the street with £2000 and tel them to sort them self out.
Why are we housing people if they want to come let them but don't give so much.
Yes diferant for children but we have now created a system where if you get yo the UK you get a roof and food free at a decent standard.
But vetrans and others get nothing.
Do you think if we treated asylum seekers worse than we do, that somehow the government would start treating ex service personnel better?
Why can't we do both?
So why can't we help everyone. Stop over crowding in social housing. Give everyone that needs a home have one guess while we are at it put everyone on benifit so nobody is a sl*ve to a mortgage or have to work to by food. Get everyone on waiting lists for operations sorted next week. You have to be realistic.
The UK dose not have the land or infrastructure to house what it has let alone growing in number. Woodland is now 6% of what it was 100 years ago when population was 32 million people we are now at 67 million so with that growth we need a new city about the size of Liverpool every year. The penny dose not fit the slot.
Erm. Just talking about asylum seekers and ex service personnel.
People always seem to think it's some kind of choice.
Spoiler alert. The government doesn't give a fuck about either British or foreign poor people. If we were harsher to people arriving here seeking refuge, they wouldn't suddenly start helping anyone else.
I despair.... £8 billion on housing and feeding people who arrive here illegally.
£188 billion on NHS, approx £345K a minute, every minute of the the year!
Foreign aid budget for 2024 is £8.4 billion. £231 billion a year on benefits.
What is your view now? Will you still preach the same mantra or can you see what you said is incorrect?
What point are these figures demonstrating?
What do you think?
They clearly demonstrate the Govt spend (at least) 400b/year on the poor they don't give a fuck about
Which is £759,878.41 every minute of every day of the year.
Nearly 50m/day on the poor. Fuck that. What a waste
Oooh it is better than that, just over £1 billion in 24 hours. The numbers are mind boggling!!!
My maths was way off
1b/day is absolutely not anywhere near enough to show you care. It must be 1b/hour to show you care
I think there needs to be a definition of who/what we mean by “poor”.
The NHS budget - last I looked that was universally available to all including 40% and 45% tax payers.
The benefits budget - I believe the single biggest part of this is the state pension, again universally available to all.
Argue/debate by all means but let’s get the context right!
Oh I'm not arguing, just taking the piss.
I believe whilst those you mention are universally available, they are aimed to aid the poorer in society.
Are they? Going to sound like someone else here... where’s your evidence for that statement?
Joking aside, it is actually irrelevant who it may be aimed at if it is a universal service or benefit. Now if anyone earning over xyz was forced to use private healthcare or not paid a state pension then yes maybe that is only for the poor.
Again though, what defines “poor”?
I don't have evidence, that's why I said 'I believe'. I definitely didn't say they 'were only for the poor'
Poor has a pretty clear definition. "I know you didn’t but NotMe posted figures as proof the govt cares about the poor. Personally I really do not know if they “care” or any other emotive language. But implying that £1bn a day is all for the poor or demonstrates caring for the poor does not ring true for reasons I said. Indulge me. In the UK what defines being “poor”? | |||
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"Is it time to close all boarders now and end Global migration. So we can clear the backlog before letting any more in. Just say no. Grant them all right to stay, them watch the international corporations set up in the UK with the promise of cheap labour.
I'm with you let them all stay kick them on the street with £2000 and tel them to sort them self out.
Why are we housing people if they want to come let them but don't give so much.
Yes diferant for children but we have now created a system where if you get yo the UK you get a roof and food free at a decent standard.
But vetrans and others get nothing.
Do you think if we treated asylum seekers worse than we do, that somehow the government would start treating ex service personnel better?
Why can't we do both?
So why can't we help everyone. Stop over crowding in social housing. Give everyone that needs a home have one guess while we are at it put everyone on benifit so nobody is a sl*ve to a mortgage or have to work to by food. Get everyone on waiting lists for operations sorted next week. You have to be realistic.
The UK dose not have the land or infrastructure to house what it has let alone growing in number. Woodland is now 6% of what it was 100 years ago when population was 32 million people we are now at 67 million so with that growth we need a new city about the size of Liverpool every year. The penny dose not fit the slot.
Erm. Just talking about asylum seekers and ex service personnel.
People always seem to think it's some kind of choice.
Spoiler alert. The government doesn't give a fuck about either British or foreign poor people. If we were harsher to people arriving here seeking refuge, they wouldn't suddenly start helping anyone else.
I despair.... £8 billion on housing and feeding people who arrive here illegally.
£188 billion on NHS, approx £345K a minute, every minute of the the year!
Foreign aid budget for 2024 is £8.4 billion. £231 billion a year on benefits.
What is your view now? Will you still preach the same mantra or can you see what you said is incorrect?
What point are these figures demonstrating?
What do you think?
They clearly demonstrate the Govt spend (at least) 400b/year on the poor they don't give a fuck about
Which is £759,878.41 every minute of every day of the year.
Nearly 50m/day on the poor. Fuck that. What a waste
Oooh it is better than that, just over £1 billion in 24 hours. The numbers are mind boggling!!!
My maths was way off
1b/day is absolutely not anywhere near enough to show you care. It must be 1b/hour to show you care
I think there needs to be a definition of who/what we mean by “poor”.
The NHS budget - last I looked that was universally available to all including 40% and 45% tax payers.
The benefits budget - I believe the single biggest part of this is the state pension, again universally available to all.
Argue/debate by all means but let’s get the context right!
Oh I'm not arguing, just taking the piss.
I believe whilst those you mention are universally available, they are aimed to aid the poorer in society.
Are they? Going to sound like someone else here... where’s your evidence for that statement?
Joking aside, it is actually irrelevant who it may be aimed at if it is a universal service or benefit. Now if anyone earning over xyz was forced to use private healthcare or not paid a state pension then yes maybe that is only for the poor.
Again though, what defines “poor”?
I don't have evidence, that's why I said 'I believe'. I definitely didn't say they 'were only for the poor'
Poor has a pretty clear definition.
I know you didn’t but NotMe posted figures as proof the govt cares about the poor. Personally I really do not know if they “care” or any other emotive language. But implying that £1bn a day is all for the poor or demonstrates caring for the poor does not ring true for reasons I said.
Indulge me. In the UK what defines being “poor”?"Poor: lacking sufficient money to live at a standard considered comfortable or normal in a society. | |||
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"Is it time to close all boarders now and end Global migration. So we can clear the backlog before letting any more in. Just say no. Grant them all right to stay, them watch the international corporations set up in the UK with the promise of cheap labour.
I'm with you let them all stay kick them on the street with £2000 and tel them to sort them self out.
Why are we housing people if they want to come let them but don't give so much.
Yes diferant for children but we have now created a system where if you get yo the UK you get a roof and food free at a decent standard.
But vetrans and others get nothing.
Do you think if we treated asylum seekers worse than we do, that somehow the government would start treating ex service personnel better?
Why can't we do both?
So why can't we help everyone. Stop over crowding in social housing. Give everyone that needs a home have one guess while we are at it put everyone on benifit so nobody is a sl*ve to a mortgage or have to work to by food. Get everyone on waiting lists for operations sorted next week. You have to be realistic.
The UK dose not have the land or infrastructure to house what it has let alone growing in number. Woodland is now 6% of what it was 100 years ago when population was 32 million people we are now at 67 million so with that growth we need a new city about the size of Liverpool every year. The penny dose not fit the slot.
Erm. Just talking about asylum seekers and ex service personnel.
People always seem to think it's some kind of choice.
Spoiler alert. The government doesn't give a fuck about either British or foreign poor people. If we were harsher to people arriving here seeking refuge, they wouldn't suddenly start helping anyone else.
I despair.... £8 billion on housing and feeding people who arrive here illegally.
£188 billion on NHS, approx £345K a minute, every minute of the the year!
Foreign aid budget for 2024 is £8.4 billion. £231 billion a year on benefits.
What is your view now? Will you still preach the same mantra or can you see what you said is incorrect?
What point are these figures demonstrating?
What do you think?
They clearly demonstrate the Govt spend (at least) 400b/year on the poor they don't give a fuck about
Which is £759,878.41 every minute of every day of the year.
Nearly 50m/day on the poor. Fuck that. What a waste
Oooh it is better than that, just over £1 billion in 24 hours. The numbers are mind boggling!!!
My maths was way off
1b/day is absolutely not anywhere near enough to show you care. It must be 1b/hour to show you care
I think there needs to be a definition of who/what we mean by “poor”.
The NHS budget - last I looked that was universally available to all including 40% and 45% tax payers.
The benefits budget - I believe the single biggest part of this is the state pension, again universally available to all.
Argue/debate by all means but let’s get the context right!
Oh I'm not arguing, just taking the piss.
I believe whilst those you mention are universally available, they are aimed to aid the poorer in society.
Are they? Going to sound like someone else here... where’s your evidence for that statement?
Joking aside, it is actually irrelevant who it may be aimed at if it is a universal service or benefit. Now if anyone earning over xyz was forced to use private healthcare or not paid a state pension then yes maybe that is only for the poor.
Again though, what defines “poor”?
I don't have evidence, that's why I said 'I believe'. I definitely didn't say they 'were only for the poor'
Poor has a pretty clear definition.
I know you didn’t but NotMe posted figures as proof the govt cares about the poor. Personally I really do not know if they “care” or any other emotive language. But implying that £1bn a day is all for the poor or demonstrates caring for the poor does not ring true for reasons I said.
Indulge me. In the UK what defines being “poor”?
Poor:
lacking sufficient money to live at a standard considered comfortable or normal in a society."Thanks. So (this is rhetorical I don’t expect you to answer) how many people who use the NHS or receive a state pension fit that definition? Anyway that aside. Personally I would like to see our govt(s) do a LOT more to support our veterans and ex-military personnel. People who have served our country, and at times been placed in danger to protect the rest of us (or protect our way of life) should be thanked. From what I can gather, there is scant support for those leaving the forces and a worryingly high number end up being homeless. Surely a “beyond military service career path and training” could be provided? Surely there are companies who could offer (advanced?) apprenticeships and job opps to those leaving the forces (I am sure there are but I am talking national initiative and establishing a process). How about temporary accommodation (in line with the job training) until the ex-service person is ready to stand on own etc? | |||
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"Erm. Just talking about asylum seekers and ex service personnel. People always seem to think it's some kind of choice. Spoiler alert. The government doesn't give a fuck about either British or foreign poor people. If we were harsher to people arriving here seeking refuge, they wouldn't suddenly start helping anyone else. ************************************ What made you come to the conclusion that the government "doesn't give a **** about either British or foreign poor people"..? Where is your evidence?? The evidence was provided by the other chap, he suggested we don't house ex service personnel. *************************** "Suggestions" are hardly evidence, are they..? Indeed. Feel free to take it up with the other chap. Maybe he has the evidence. Wasn't it your suggestion that the Govt "don't give a **** about either British or foreign poor people"? The other chap didn't say that, you did? That's what evidence is being asked for "****************************** Well, I DID try....!! | |||
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"Erm. Just talking about asylum seekers and ex service personnel. People always seem to think it's some kind of choice. Spoiler alert. The government doesn't give a fuck about either British or foreign poor people. If we were harsher to people arriving here seeking refuge, they wouldn't suddenly start helping anyone else. ************************************ What made you come to the conclusion that the government "doesn't give a **** about either British or foreign poor people"..? Where is your evidence?? The evidence was provided by the other chap, he suggested we don't house ex service personnel. *************************** "Suggestions" are hardly evidence, are they..? Indeed. Feel free to take it up with the other chap. Maybe he has the evidence. Wasn't it your suggestion that the Govt "don't give a **** about either British or foreign poor people"? The other chap didn't say that, you did? That's what evidence is being asked for
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Well, I DID try....!! "You did. I appreciate it. I would think the last 13 years of Tory government would be enough evidence. But you could pick. - Austerity measures, this one is big, you could pick any element. - The words of Lee Anderson are a single example of many, when he discussed Food banks. I don't really understand why anyone would argue that the Tories care about poor people. | |||
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"Erm. Just talking about asylum seekers and ex service personnel. People always seem to think it's some kind of choice. Spoiler alert. The government doesn't give a fuck about either British or foreign poor people. If we were harsher to people arriving here seeking refuge, they wouldn't suddenly start helping anyone else. ************************************ What made you come to the conclusion that the government "doesn't give a **** about either British or foreign poor people"..? Where is your evidence?? The evidence was provided by the other chap, he suggested we don't house ex service personnel. *************************** "Suggestions" are hardly evidence, are they..? Indeed. Feel free to take it up with the other chap. Maybe he has the evidence. Wasn't it your suggestion that the Govt "don't give a **** about either British or foreign poor people"? The other chap didn't say that, you did? That's what evidence is being asked for
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Well, I DID try....!!
You did. I appreciate it.
I would think the last 13 years of Tory government would be enough evidence. But you could pick.
- Austerity measures, this one is big, you could pick any element.
- The words of Lee Anderson are a single example of many, when he discussed Food banks.
I don't really understand why anyone would argue that the Tories care about poor people. "Heirs to Blair my friend they are all as bad as each other. This country needs a complete reset and fresh start. | |||
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"Erm. Just talking about asylum seekers and ex service personnel. People always seem to think it's some kind of choice. Spoiler alert. The government doesn't give a fuck about either British or foreign poor people. If we were harsher to people arriving here seeking refuge, they wouldn't suddenly start helping anyone else. ************************************ What made you come to the conclusion that the government "doesn't give a **** about either British or foreign poor people"..? Where is your evidence?? The evidence was provided by the other chap, he suggested we don't house ex service personnel. *************************** "Suggestions" are hardly evidence, are they..? Indeed. Feel free to take it up with the other chap. Maybe he has the evidence. Wasn't it your suggestion that the Govt "don't give a **** about either British or foreign poor people"? The other chap didn't say that, you did? That's what evidence is being asked for
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Well, I DID try....!!
You did. I appreciate it.
I would think the last 13 years of Tory government would be enough evidence. But you could pick.
- Austerity measures, this one is big, you could pick any element.
- The words of Lee Anderson are a single example of many, when he discussed Food banks.
I don't really understand why anyone would argue that the Tories care about poor people. "********************************** Whatever you say, we were all fools voting them in, if only you had been around to guide us, we'd all be far better off..........( ) | |||
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"Erm. Just talking about asylum seekers and ex service personnel. People always seem to think it's some kind of choice. Spoiler alert. The government doesn't give a fuck about either British or foreign poor people. If we were harsher to people arriving here seeking refuge, they wouldn't suddenly start helping anyone else. ************************************ What made you come to the conclusion that the government "doesn't give a **** about either British or foreign poor people"..? Where is your evidence?? The evidence was provided by the other chap, he suggested we don't house ex service personnel. *************************** "Suggestions" are hardly evidence, are they..? Indeed. Feel free to take it up with the other chap. Maybe he has the evidence. Wasn't it your suggestion that the Govt "don't give a **** about either British or foreign poor people"? The other chap didn't say that, you did? That's what evidence is being asked for
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Well, I DID try....!!
You did. I appreciate it.
I would think the last 13 years of Tory government would be enough evidence. But you could pick.
- Austerity measures, this one is big, you could pick any element.
- The words of Lee Anderson are a single example of many, when he discussed Food banks.
I don't really understand why anyone would argue that the Tories care about poor people.
Heirs to Blair my friend they are all as bad as each other. This country needs a complete reset and fresh start."That sounds like revolution talk! Gonna but shares in guillotines | |||
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"Erm. Just talking about asylum seekers and ex service personnel. People always seem to think it's some kind of choice. Spoiler alert. The government doesn't give a fuck about either British or foreign poor people. If we were harsher to people arriving here seeking refuge, they wouldn't suddenly start helping anyone else. ************************************ What made you come to the conclusion that the government "doesn't give a **** about either British or foreign poor people"..? Where is your evidence?? The evidence was provided by the other chap, he suggested we don't house ex service personnel. *************************** "Suggestions" are hardly evidence, are they..? Indeed. Feel free to take it up with the other chap. Maybe he has the evidence. Wasn't it your suggestion that the Govt "don't give a **** about either British or foreign poor people"? The other chap didn't say that, you did? That's what evidence is being asked for
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Well, I DID try....!!
You did. I appreciate it.
I would think the last 13 years of Tory government would be enough evidence. But you could pick.
- Austerity measures, this one is big, you could pick any element.
- The words of Lee Anderson are a single example of many, when he discussed Food banks.
I don't really understand why anyone would argue that the Tories care about poor people.
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Whatever you say, we were all fools voting them in, if only you had been around to guide us, we'd all be far better off..........( )"Real life is not "whatever I say" it's what's actually happening. Not sure why you're trying to make this about me. | |||
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"Erm. Just talking about asylum seekers and ex service personnel. People always seem to think it's some kind of choice. Spoiler alert. The government doesn't give a fuck about either British or foreign poor people. If we were harsher to people arriving here seeking refuge, they wouldn't suddenly start helping anyone else. ************************************ What made you come to the conclusion that the government "doesn't give a **** about either British or foreign poor people"..? Where is your evidence?? The evidence was provided by the other chap, he suggested we don't house ex service personnel. *************************** "Suggestions" are hardly evidence, are they..? Indeed. Feel free to take it up with the other chap. Maybe he has the evidence. Wasn't it your suggestion that the Govt "don't give a **** about either British or foreign poor people"? The other chap didn't say that, you did? That's what evidence is being asked for
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Well, I DID try....!!
You did. I appreciate it.
I would think the last 13 years of Tory government would be enough evidence. But you could pick.
- Austerity measures, this one is big, you could pick any element.
- The words of Lee Anderson are a single example of many, when he discussed Food banks.
I don't really understand why anyone would argue that the Tories care about poor people.
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Whatever you say, we were all fools voting them in, if only you had been around to guide us, we'd all be far better off..........( )
Real life is not "whatever I say" it's what's actually happening.
Not sure why you're trying to make this about me."******************************** See..?? There you go again playing the victim...!! I'm NOT GETTING ANY ANSWERS FROM YOU REGARDING YOUR ASSERTIONS POSTED AS 'FACTS', SO, CARRY ON WITH YOUR BLOODY WHINING AND CRYING IF YOU WISH BUT FOR CHRISTS SAKE MAN, GROW UP...!!!!! I'm out. | |||
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"Erm. Just talking about asylum seekers and ex service personnel. People always seem to think it's some kind of choice. Spoiler alert. The government doesn't give a fuck about either British or foreign poor people. If we were harsher to people arriving here seeking refuge, they wouldn't suddenly start helping anyone else. ************************************ What made you come to the conclusion that the government "doesn't give a **** about either British or foreign poor people"..? Where is your evidence?? The evidence was provided by the other chap, he suggested we don't house ex service personnel. *************************** "Suggestions" are hardly evidence, are they..? Indeed. Feel free to take it up with the other chap. Maybe he has the evidence. Wasn't it your suggestion that the Govt "don't give a **** about either British or foreign poor people"? The other chap didn't say that, you did? That's what evidence is being asked for
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Well, I DID try....!!
You did. I appreciate it.
I would think the last 13 years of Tory government would be enough evidence. But you could pick.
- Austerity measures, this one is big, you could pick any element.
- The words of Lee Anderson are a single example of many, when he discussed Food banks.
I don't really understand why anyone would argue that the Tories care about poor people.
Heirs to Blair my friend they are all as bad as each other. This country needs a complete reset and fresh start.
That sounds like revolution talk! Gonna but shares in guillotines "Off with their heads lol but we need a revolution don't you think x | |||
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"Erm. Just talking about asylum seekers and ex service personnel. People always seem to think it's some kind of choice. Spoiler alert. The government doesn't give a fuck about either British or foreign poor people. If we were harsher to people arriving here seeking refuge, they wouldn't suddenly start helping anyone else. ************************************ What made you come to the conclusion that the government "doesn't give a **** about either British or foreign poor people"..? Where is your evidence?? The evidence was provided by the other chap, he suggested we don't house ex service personnel. *************************** "Suggestions" are hardly evidence, are they..? Indeed. Feel free to take it up with the other chap. Maybe he has the evidence. Wasn't it your suggestion that the Govt "don't give a **** about either British or foreign poor people"? The other chap didn't say that, you did? That's what evidence is being asked for
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Well, I DID try....!!
You did. I appreciate it.
I would think the last 13 years of Tory government would be enough evidence. But you could pick.
- Austerity measures, this one is big, you could pick any element.
- The words of Lee Anderson are a single example of many, when he discussed Food banks.
I don't really understand why anyone would argue that the Tories care about poor people.
**********************************
Whatever you say, we were all fools voting them in, if only you had been around to guide us, we'd all be far better off..........( )
Real life is not "whatever I say" it's what's actually happening.
Not sure why you're trying to make this about me.
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See..?? There you go again playing the victim...!!
I'm NOT GETTING ANY ANSWERS FROM YOU REGARDING YOUR ASSERTIONS POSTED AS 'FACTS', SO, CARRY ON WITH YOUR BLOODY WHINING AND CRYING IF YOU WISH BUT FOR CHRISTS SAKE MAN, GROW UP...!!!!!
I'm out.
"You said "Whatever you say". This discussion is nothing to do with what I say, it's the current state of the UK. Not sure what to make of the rest of your rant there. I actually thought you were doing well, you made an effort not to include the usual personal insults. Which is why I chose to answer your questions. | |||
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"Erm. Just talking about asylum seekers and ex service personnel. People always seem to think it's some kind of choice. Spoiler alert. The government doesn't give a fuck about either British or foreign poor people. If we were harsher to people arriving here seeking refuge, they wouldn't suddenly start helping anyone else. ************************************ What made you come to the conclusion that the government "doesn't give a **** about either British or foreign poor people"..? Where is your evidence?? The evidence was provided by the other chap, he suggested we don't house ex service personnel. *************************** "Suggestions" are hardly evidence, are they..? Indeed. Feel free to take it up with the other chap. Maybe he has the evidence. Wasn't it your suggestion that the Govt "don't give a **** about either British or foreign poor people"? The other chap didn't say that, you did? That's what evidence is being asked for
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Well, I DID try....!!
You did. I appreciate it.
I would think the last 13 years of Tory government would be enough evidence. But you could pick.
- Austerity measures, this one is big, you could pick any element.
- The words of Lee Anderson are a single example of many, when he discussed Food banks.
I don't really understand why anyone would argue that the Tories care about poor people.
**********************************
Whatever you say, we were all fools voting them in, if only you had been around to guide us, we'd all be far better off..........( )
Real life is not "whatever I say" it's what's actually happening.
Not sure why you're trying to make this about me.
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See..?? There you go again playing the victim...!!
I'm NOT GETTING ANY ANSWERS FROM YOU REGARDING YOUR ASSERTIONS POSTED AS 'FACTS', SO, CARRY ON WITH YOUR BLOODY WHINING AND CRYING IF YOU WISH BUT FOR CHRISTS SAKE MAN, GROW UP...!!!!!
I'm out.
You said "Whatever you say". This discussion is nothing to do with what I say, it's the current state of the UK.
Not sure what to make of the rest of your rant there. I actually thought you were doing well, you made an effort not to include the usual personal insults. Which is why I chose to answer your questions. "The particular discussion between you and Eva is 'about what you say', you said it, no one else 
Fuck me, if you actually want to have discussion, lose the victim complex, yeah I know, you'll bang on about personal attacks. But, you still haven't provided your evidence.
Austerity measures; what particular measure tells us they don't give a fuck about the poor.
Lee Anderson; he's just one dickhead MP, not representative of the 'Tories' as a whole. | |||
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"Is it time to close all boarders now and end Global migration. So we can clear the backlog before letting any more in. Just say no. Grant them all right to stay, them watch the international corporations set up in the UK with the promise of cheap labour.
I'm with you let them all stay kick them on the street with £2000 and tel them to sort them self out.
Why are we housing people if they want to come let them but don't give so much.
Yes diferant for children but we have now created a system where if you get yo the UK you get a roof and food free at a decent standard.
But vetrans and others get nothing.
Do you think if we treated asylum seekers worse than we do, that somehow the government would start treating ex service personnel better?
Why can't we do both?
So why can't we help everyone. Stop over crowding in social housing. Give everyone that needs a home have one guess while we are at it put everyone on benifit so nobody is a sl*ve to a mortgage or have to work to by food. Get everyone on waiting lists for operations sorted next week. You have to be realistic.
The UK dose not have the land or infrastructure to house what it has let alone growing in number. Woodland is now 6% of what it was 100 years ago when population was 32 million people we are now at 67 million so with that growth we need a new city about the size of Liverpool every year. The penny dose not fit the slot.
Erm. Just talking about asylum seekers and ex service personnel.
People always seem to think it's some kind of choice.
Spoiler alert. The government doesn't give a fuck about either British or foreign poor people. If we were harsher to people arriving here seeking refuge, they wouldn't suddenly start helping anyone else.
I despair.... £8 billion on housing and feeding people who arrive here illegally.
£188 billion on NHS, approx £345K a minute, every minute of the the year!
Foreign aid budget for 2024 is £8.4 billion. £231 billion a year on benefits.
What is your view now? Will you still preach the same mantra or can you see what you said is incorrect?
What point are these figures demonstrating?
What do you think?
They clearly demonstrate the Govt spend (at least) 400b/year on the poor they don't give a fuck about
Which is £759,878.41 every minute of every day of the year.
Nearly 50m/day on the poor. Fuck that. What a waste
Oooh it is better than that, just over £1 billion in 24 hours. The numbers are mind boggling!!!
My maths was way off
1b/day is absolutely not anywhere near enough to show you care. It must be 1b/hour to show you care
I think there needs to be a definition of who/what we mean by “poor”.
The NHS budget - last I looked that was universally available to all including 40% and 45% tax payers.
The benefits budget - I believe the single biggest part of this is the state pension, again universally available to all.
Argue/debate by all means but let’s get the context right!
Oh I'm not arguing, just taking the piss.
I believe whilst those you mention are universally available, they are aimed to aid the poorer in society.
Are they? Going to sound like someone else here... where’s your evidence for that statement?
Joking aside, it is actually irrelevant who it may be aimed at if it is a universal service or benefit. Now if anyone earning over xyz was forced to use private healthcare or not paid a state pension then yes maybe that is only for the poor.
Again though, what defines “poor”?
I don't have evidence, that's why I said 'I believe'. I definitely didn't say they 'were only for the poor'
Poor has a pretty clear definition.
I know you didn’t but NotMe posted figures as proof the govt cares about the poor. Personally I really do not know if they “care” or any other emotive language. But implying that £1bn a day is all for the poor or demonstrates caring for the poor does not ring true for reasons I said.
Indulge me. In the UK what defines being “poor”?
Poor:
lacking sufficient money to live at a standard considered comfortable or normal in a society.
Thanks. So (this is rhetorical I don’t expect you to answer) how many people who use the NHS or receive a state pension fit that definition?
Anyway that aside. Personally I would like to see our govt(s) do a LOT more to support our veterans and ex-military personnel. People who have served our country, and at times been placed in danger to protect the rest of us (or protect our way of life) should be thanked. From what I can gather, there is scant support for those leaving the forces and a worryingly high number end up being homeless.
Surely a “beyond military service career path and training” could be provided? Surely there are companies who could offer (advanced?) apprenticeships and job opps to those leaving the forces (I am sure there are but I am talking national initiative and establishing a process). How about temporary accommodation (in line with the job training) until the ex-service person is ready to stand on own etc? "To clear up the confusion simply remove the NHS figures and we are left with aid. Shall we now call it £500 million a day? Not bad for a government that doesn’t give a f@@k about British or foreign poor people. | |||
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"Is it time to close all boarders now and end Global migration. So we can clear the backlog before letting any more in. Just say no. Grant them all right to stay, them watch the international corporations set up in the UK with the promise of cheap labour.
I'm with you let them all stay kick them on the street with £2000 and tel them to sort them self out.
Why are we housing people if they want to come let them but don't give so much.
Yes diferant for children but we have now created a system where if you get yo the UK you get a roof and food free at a decent standard.
But vetrans and others get nothing.
Do you think if we treated asylum seekers worse than we do, that somehow the government would start treating ex service personnel better?
Why can't we do both?
So why can't we help everyone. Stop over crowding in social housing. Give everyone that needs a home have one guess while we are at it put everyone on benifit so nobody is a sl*ve to a mortgage or have to work to by food. Get everyone on waiting lists for operations sorted next week. You have to be realistic.
The UK dose not have the land or infrastructure to house what it has let alone growing in number. Woodland is now 6% of what it was 100 years ago when population was 32 million people we are now at 67 million so with that growth we need a new city about the size of Liverpool every year. The penny dose not fit the slot.
Erm. Just talking about asylum seekers and ex service personnel.
People always seem to think it's some kind of choice.
Spoiler alert. The government doesn't give a fuck about either British or foreign poor people. If we were harsher to people arriving here seeking refuge, they wouldn't suddenly start helping anyone else.
I despair.... £8 billion on housing and feeding people who arrive here illegally.
£188 billion on NHS, approx £345K a minute, every minute of the the year!
Foreign aid budget for 2024 is £8.4 billion. £231 billion a year on benefits.
What is your view now? Will you still preach the same mantra or can you see what you said is incorrect?
What point are these figures demonstrating?
What do you think?
I think you're trying to divert the point away from discussing the other chaps assertion that we don't help ex service personnel because we help asylum seekers instead."I was addressing your point and only your point, over £500million a day spent on those you say the government don’t give a f&@k about! So what do you think?? Not enough money, could we do more and where would more money come from? | |||
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"Is it time to close all boarders now and end Global migration. So we can clear the backlog before letting any more in. Just say no. Grant them all right to stay, them watch the international corporations set up in the UK with the promise of cheap labour.
I'm with you let them all stay kick them on the street with £2000 and tel them to sort them self out.
Why are we housing people if they want to come let them but don't give so much.
Yes diferant for children but we have now created a system where if you get yo the UK you get a roof and food free at a decent standard.
But vetrans and others get nothing.
Do you think if we treated asylum seekers worse than we do, that somehow the government would start treating ex service personnel better?
Why can't we do both?
So why can't we help everyone. Stop over crowding in social housing. Give everyone that needs a home have one guess while we are at it put everyone on benifit so nobody is a sl*ve to a mortgage or have to work to by food. Get everyone on waiting lists for operations sorted next week. You have to be realistic.
The UK dose not have the land or infrastructure to house what it has let alone growing in number. Woodland is now 6% of what it was 100 years ago when population was 32 million people we are now at 67 million so with that growth we need a new city about the size of Liverpool every year. The penny dose not fit the slot.
Erm. Just talking about asylum seekers and ex service personnel.
People always seem to think it's some kind of choice.
Spoiler alert. The government doesn't give a fuck about either British or foreign poor people. If we were harsher to people arriving here seeking refuge, they wouldn't suddenly start helping anyone else.
I despair.... £8 billion on housing and feeding people who arrive here illegally.
£188 billion on NHS, approx £345K a minute, every minute of the the year!
Foreign aid budget for 2024 is £8.4 billion. £231 billion a year on benefits.
What is your view now? Will you still preach the same mantra or can you see what you said is incorrect?
What point are these figures demonstrating?
What do you think?
I think you're trying to divert the point away from discussing the other chaps assertion that we don't help ex service personnel because we help asylum seekers instead.
I was addressing your point and only your point, over £500million a day spent on those you say the government don’t give a f&@k about!
So what do you think?? Not enough money, could we do more and where would more money come from? "My point was addressing the previous point. I stand by it. If we stop helping asylum seekers, we won't suddenly start to help ex service personnel. All your posts about money seem unrelated to this point. But if you want another discussion on that, sure. | |||
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"To clear up the confusion simply remove the NHS figures and we are left with aid. Shall we now call it £500 million a day? Not bad for a government that doesn’t give a f@@k about British or foreign poor people." Are you referring to foreign aid? If so then I do think there is more complexity than the UK Govt giving a fuck about the poor. The arguments in support of the foreign aid budget include: - help increase wealth in poorer countries to develop future consumer markets for British firms. - reduce poverty to help stabilise the political situation in those countries to support the point above and provide the UK with political influence In other words not purely altruistic. | |||
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"@NotMe when you say... To clear up the confusion simply remove the NHS figures and we are left with aid. Shall we now call it £500 million a day? Not bad for a government that doesn’t give a f@@k about British or foreign poor people. Are you referring to foreign aid? If so then I do think there is more complexity than the UK Govt giving a fuck about the poor. The arguments in support of the foreign aid budget include: - help increase wealth in poorer countries to develop future consumer markets for British firms. - reduce poverty to help stabilise the political situation in those countries to support the point above and provide the UK with political influence In other words not purely altruistic. " If it was going to the people that needed it but foreign aid just goes from one corrupt government to another with absolutely nothing getting through. | |||
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"@NotMe when you say... To clear up the confusion simply remove the NHS figures and we are left with aid. Shall we now call it £500 million a day? Not bad for a government that doesn’t give a f@@k about British or foreign poor people. Are you referring to foreign aid? If so then I do think there is more complexity than the UK Govt giving a fuck about the poor. The arguments in support of the foreign aid budget include: - help increase wealth in poorer countries to develop future consumer markets for British firms. - reduce poverty to help stabilise the political situation in those countries to support the point above and provide the UK with political influence In other words not purely altruistic. If it was going to the people that needed it but foreign aid just goes from one corrupt government to another with absolutely nothing getting through." But then those corrupt governments buy big plush houses in London for the day that they to flee said country. So the money usually comes back to Britain. Usually back into the pockets of this country's donors. So taxpayer money whitewashed back to the deserving.. | |||
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"@NotMe when you say... To clear up the confusion simply remove the NHS figures and we are left with aid. Shall we now call it £500 million a day? Not bad for a government that doesn’t give a f@@k about British or foreign poor people. Are you referring to foreign aid? If so then I do think there is more complexity than the UK Govt giving a fuck about the poor. The arguments in support of the foreign aid budget include: - help increase wealth in poorer countries to develop future consumer markets for British firms. - reduce poverty to help stabilise the political situation in those countries to support the point above and provide the UK with political influence In other words not purely altruistic. If it was going to the people that needed it but foreign aid just goes from one corrupt government to another with absolutely nothing getting through. But then those corrupt governments buy big plush houses in London for the day that they to flee said country. So the money usually comes back to Britain. Usually back into the pockets of this country's donors. So taxpayer money whitewashed back to the deserving.. "So many loopholes to be abused never anything filtered down as the fat cats get all the tax breaks x | |||
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"@NotMe when you say... To clear up the confusion simply remove the NHS figures and we are left with aid. Shall we now call it £500 million a day? Not bad for a government that doesn’t give a f@@k about British or foreign poor people. Are you referring to foreign aid? If so then I do think there is more complexity than the UK Govt giving a fuck about the poor. The arguments in support of the foreign aid budget include: - help increase wealth in poorer countries to develop future consumer markets for British firms. - reduce poverty to help stabilise the political situation in those countries to support the point above and provide the UK with political influence In other words not purely altruistic. If it was going to the people that needed it but foreign aid just goes from one corrupt government to another with absolutely nothing getting through. But then those corrupt governments buy big plush houses in London for the day that they to flee said country. So the money usually comes back to Britain. Usually back into the pockets of this country's donors. So taxpayer money whitewashed back to the deserving..
So many loopholes to be abused never anything filtered down as the fat cats get all the tax breaks x"Law of the Jungle eat or be eaten. Don't look for your governments to look after your needs. One day their your friend next " who the fuck are you ". So many times they fuck you. Encourage you to do one thing then 10 years later penalise you. Endowment policies, Pensions, Deisel cars etc. | |||
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"Is it time to close all boarders now and end Global migration. So we can clear the backlog before letting any more in. Just say no. Grant them all right to stay, them watch the international corporations set up in the UK with the promise of cheap labour.
I'm with you let them all stay kick them on the street with £2000 and tel them to sort them self out.
Why are we housing people if they want to come let them but don't give so much.
Yes diferant for children but we have now created a system where if you get yo the UK you get a roof and food free at a decent standard.
But vetrans and others get nothing.
Do you think if we treated asylum seekers worse than we do, that somehow the government would start treating ex service personnel better?
Why can't we do both?
So why can't we help everyone. Stop over crowding in social housing. Give everyone that needs a home have one guess while we are at it put everyone on benifit so nobody is a sl*ve to a mortgage or have to work to by food. Get everyone on waiting lists for operations sorted next week. You have to be realistic.
The UK dose not have the land or infrastructure to house what it has let alone growing in number. Woodland is now 6% of what it was 100 years ago when population was 32 million people we are now at 67 million so with that growth we need a new city about the size of Liverpool every year. The penny dose not fit the slot.
Erm. Just talking about asylum seekers and ex service personnel.
People always seem to think it's some kind of choice.
Spoiler alert. The government doesn't give a fuck about either British or foreign poor people. If we were harsher to people arriving here seeking refuge, they wouldn't suddenly start helping anyone else.
I despair.... £8 billion on housing and feeding people who arrive here illegally.
£188 billion on NHS, approx £345K a minute, every minute of the the year!
Foreign aid budget for 2024 is £8.4 billion. £231 billion a year on benefits.
What is your view now? Will you still preach the same mantra or can you see what you said is incorrect?
What point are these figures demonstrating?
What do you think?
I think you're trying to divert the point away from discussing the other chaps assertion that we don't help ex service personnel because we help asylum seekers instead."No I said why are asylum seekers helped more than oure own homeless. I sure lots of homeless would love a hotel room and food. But lots can't even claim benifit as the are of no fixed address. And lots are sick and still get no help. But turn up illegal and you get a roof over your head a 3 square meals a day. Apparently there is going to be a legal battle about if migrants don't want to go on to the barge they can't be made homeless. There not homeless they have made them self homeless. Mack your self homeless in the UK the local council will not help you even if you land lord wants to sell you have to stay put until evicted. | |||
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"Is it time to close all boarders now and end Global migration. So we can clear the backlog before letting any more in. Just say no. Grant them all right to stay, them watch the international corporations set up in the UK with the promise of cheap labour.
I'm with you let them all stay kick them on the street with £2000 and tel them to sort them self out.
Why are we housing people if they want to come let them but don't give so much.
Yes diferant for children but we have now created a system where if you get yo the UK you get a roof and food free at a decent standard.
But vetrans and others get nothing.
Do you think if we treated asylum seekers worse than we do, that somehow the government would start treating ex service personnel better?
Why can't we do both?
So why can't we help everyone. Stop over crowding in social housing. Give everyone that needs a home have one guess while we are at it put everyone on benifit so nobody is a sl*ve to a mortgage or have to work to by food. Get everyone on waiting lists for operations sorted next week. You have to be realistic.
The UK dose not have the land or infrastructure to house what it has let alone growing in number. Woodland is now 6% of what it was 100 years ago when population was 32 million people we are now at 67 million so with that growth we need a new city about the size of Liverpool every year. The penny dose not fit the slot.
Erm. Just talking about asylum seekers and ex service personnel.
People always seem to think it's some kind of choice.
Spoiler alert. The government doesn't give a fuck about either British or foreign poor people. If we were harsher to people arriving here seeking refuge, they wouldn't suddenly start helping anyone else.
I despair.... £8 billion on housing and feeding people who arrive here illegally.
£188 billion on NHS, approx £345K a minute, every minute of the the year!
Foreign aid budget for 2024 is £8.4 billion. £231 billion a year on benefits.
What is your view now? Will you still preach the same mantra or can you see what you said is incorrect?
What point are these figures demonstrating?
What do you think?
I think you're trying to divert the point away from discussing the other chaps assertion that we don't help ex service personnel because we help asylum seekers instead.
No I said why are asylum seekers helped more than oure own homeless.
I sure lots of homeless would love a hotel room and food. But lots can't even claim benifit as the are of no fixed address. And lots are sick and still get no help.
But turn up illegal and you get a roof over your head a 3 square meals a day.
Apparently there is going to be a legal battle about if migrants don't want to go on to the barge they can't be made homeless. There not homeless they have made them self homeless. Mack your self homeless in the UK the local council will not help you even if you land lord wants to sell you have to stay put until evicted."Yes, so do you think if we stop helping asylum seekers, we will suddenly start helping homeless people? | |||
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"Is it time to close all boarders now and end Global migration. So we can clear the backlog before letting any more in. Just say no. Grant them all right to stay, them watch the international corporations set up in the UK with the promise of cheap labour.
I'm with you let them all stay kick them on the street with £2000 and tel them to sort them self out.
Why are we housing people if they want to come let them but don't give so much.
Yes diferant for children but we have now created a system where if you get yo the UK you get a roof and food free at a decent standard.
But vetrans and others get nothing.
Do you think if we treated asylum seekers worse than we do, that somehow the government would start treating ex service personnel better?
Why can't we do both?
So why can't we help everyone. Stop over crowding in social housing. Give everyone that needs a home have one guess while we are at it put everyone on benifit so nobody is a sl*ve to a mortgage or have to work to by food. Get everyone on waiting lists for operations sorted next week. You have to be realistic.
The UK dose not have the land or infrastructure to house what it has let alone growing in number. Woodland is now 6% of what it was 100 years ago when population was 32 million people we are now at 67 million so with that growth we need a new city about the size of Liverpool every year. The penny dose not fit the slot.
Erm. Just talking about asylum seekers and ex service personnel.
People always seem to think it's some kind of choice.
Spoiler alert. The government doesn't give a fuck about either British or foreign poor people. If we were harsher to people arriving here seeking refuge, they wouldn't suddenly start helping anyone else.
I despair.... £8 billion on housing and feeding people who arrive here illegally.
£188 billion on NHS, approx £345K a minute, every minute of the the year!
Foreign aid budget for 2024 is £8.4 billion. £231 billion a year on benefits.
What is your view now? Will you still preach the same mantra or can you see what you said is incorrect?
What point are these figures demonstrating?
What do you think?
I think you're trying to divert the point away from discussing the other chaps assertion that we don't help ex service personnel because we help asylum seekers instead.
I was addressing your point and only your point, over £500million a day spent on those you say the government don’t give a f&@k about!
So what do you think?? Not enough money, could we do more and where would more money come from?
My point was addressing the previous point.
I stand by it. If we stop helping asylum seekers, we won't suddenly start to help ex service personnel.
All your posts about money seem unrelated to this point. But if you want another discussion on that, sure."So you think local council spending so much money is erelivent WOW | |||
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"Is it time to close all boarders now and end Global migration. So we can clear the backlog before letting any more in. Just say no. Grant them all right to stay, them watch the international corporations set up in the UK with the promise of cheap labour.
I'm with you let them all stay kick them on the street with £2000 and tel them to sort them self out.
Why are we housing people if they want to come let them but don't give so much.
Yes diferant for children but we have now created a system where if you get yo the UK you get a roof and food free at a decent standard.
But vetrans and others get nothing.
Do you think if we treated asylum seekers worse than we do, that somehow the government would start treating ex service personnel better?
Why can't we do both?
So why can't we help everyone. Stop over crowding in social housing. Give everyone that needs a home have one guess while we are at it put everyone on benifit so nobody is a sl*ve to a mortgage or have to work to by food. Get everyone on waiting lists for operations sorted next week. You have to be realistic.
The UK dose not have the land or infrastructure to house what it has let alone growing in number. Woodland is now 6% of what it was 100 years ago when population was 32 million people we are now at 67 million so with that growth we need a new city about the size of Liverpool every year. The penny dose not fit the slot.
Erm. Just talking about asylum seekers and ex service personnel.
People always seem to think it's some kind of choice.
Spoiler alert. The government doesn't give a fuck about either British or foreign poor people. If we were harsher to people arriving here seeking refuge, they wouldn't suddenly start helping anyone else.
I despair.... £8 billion on housing and feeding people who arrive here illegally.
£188 billion on NHS, approx £345K a minute, every minute of the the year!
Foreign aid budget for 2024 is £8.4 billion. £231 billion a year on benefits.
What is your view now? Will you still preach the same mantra or can you see what you said is incorrect?
What point are these figures demonstrating?
What do you think?
I think you're trying to divert the point away from discussing the other chaps assertion that we don't help ex service personnel because we help asylum seekers instead.
No I said why are asylum seekers helped more than oure own homeless.
I sure lots of homeless would love a hotel room and food. But lots can't even claim benifit as the are of no fixed address. And lots are sick and still get no help.
But turn up illegal and you get a roof over your head a 3 square meals a day.
Apparently there is going to be a legal battle about if migrants don't want to go on to the barge they can't be made homeless. There not homeless they have made them self homeless. Mack your self homeless in the UK the local council will not help you even if you land lord wants to sell you have to stay put until evicted.
Yes, so do you think if we stop helping asylum seekers, we will suddenly start helping homeless people?"I would like to think there would be more local money available to help, over crowding in social housing, people in temporary housing, and the homeless that is just the stat of the social housing problems. Have you ever seen 6 people in a 2 bed house? But people fleeing persecution an danger don't want to shear a room for 4, must be better then where thay have come from. I'll go back to give them £2k start a NI number and let them get on with it find a home work etc. We give so much they don't want to stay in France. | |||
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"Is it time to close all boarders now and end Global migration. So we can clear the backlog before letting any more in. Just say no. Grant them all right to stay, them watch the international corporations set up in the UK with the promise of cheap labour.
I'm with you let them all stay kick them on the street with £2000 and tel them to sort them self out.
Why are we housing people if they want to come let them but don't give so much.
Yes diferant for children but we have now created a system where if you get yo the UK you get a roof and food free at a decent standard.
But vetrans and others get nothing.
Do you think if we treated asylum seekers worse than we do, that somehow the government would start treating ex service personnel better?
Why can't we do both?
So why can't we help everyone. Stop over crowding in social housing. Give everyone that needs a home have one guess while we are at it put everyone on benifit so nobody is a sl*ve to a mortgage or have to work to by food. Get everyone on waiting lists for operations sorted next week. You have to be realistic.
The UK dose not have the land or infrastructure to house what it has let alone growing in number. Woodland is now 6% of what it was 100 years ago when population was 32 million people we are now at 67 million so with that growth we need a new city about the size of Liverpool every year. The penny dose not fit the slot.
Erm. Just talking about asylum seekers and ex service personnel.
People always seem to think it's some kind of choice.
Spoiler alert. The government doesn't give a fuck about either British or foreign poor people. If we were harsher to people arriving here seeking refuge, they wouldn't suddenly start helping anyone else.
I despair.... £8 billion on housing and feeding people who arrive here illegally.
£188 billion on NHS, approx £345K a minute, every minute of the the year!
Foreign aid budget for 2024 is £8.4 billion. £231 billion a year on benefits.
What is your view now? Will you still preach the same mantra or can you see what you said is incorrect?
What point are these figures demonstrating?
What do you think?
I think you're trying to divert the point away from discussing the other chaps assertion that we don't help ex service personnel because we help asylum seekers instead.
No I said why are asylum seekers helped more than oure own homeless.
I sure lots of homeless would love a hotel room and food. But lots can't even claim benifit as the are of no fixed address. And lots are sick and still get no help.
But turn up illegal and you get a roof over your head a 3 square meals a day.
Apparently there is going to be a legal battle about if migrants don't want to go on to the barge they can't be made homeless. There not homeless they have made them self homeless. Mack your self homeless in the UK the local council will not help you even if you land lord wants to sell you have to stay put until evicted.
Yes, so do you think if we stop helping asylum seekers, we will suddenly start helping homeless people?
I would like to think there would be more local money available to help, over crowding in social housing, people in temporary housing, and the homeless that is just the stat of the social housing problems. Have you ever seen 6 people in a 2 bed house? But people fleeing persecution an danger don't want to shear a room for 4, must be better then where thay have come from.
I'll go back to give them £2k start a NI number and let them get on with it find a home work etc. We give so much they don't want to stay in France."I am suggesting that these things are unrelated. We could help homeless people now. But choose not to. Helping asylum seekers or not, is completely unrelated. | |||
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"Erm. Just talking about asylum seekers and ex service personnel. People always seem to think it's some kind of choice. Spoiler alert. The government doesn't give a fuck about either British or foreign poor people. If we were harsher to people arriving here seeking refuge, they wouldn't suddenly start helping anyone else. ************************************ What made you come to the conclusion that the government "doesn't give a **** about either British or foreign poor people"..? Where is your evidence?? The evidence was provided by the other chap, he suggested we don't house ex service personnel. *************************** "Suggestions" are hardly evidence, are they..? Indeed. Feel free to take it up with the other chap. Maybe he has the evidence. Wasn't it your suggestion that the Govt "don't give a **** about either British or foreign poor people"? The other chap didn't say that, you did? That's what evidence is being asked for
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Well, I DID try....!!
You did. I appreciate it.
I would think the last 13 years of Tory government would be enough evidence. But you could pick.
- Austerity measures, this one is big, you could pick any element.
- The words of Lee Anderson are a single example of many, when he discussed Food banks.
I don't really understand why anyone would argue that the Tories care about poor people.
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Whatever you say, we were all fools voting them in, if only you had been around to guide us, we'd all be far better off..........( )
Real life is not "whatever I say" it's what's actually happening.
Not sure why you're trying to make this about me.
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See..?? There you go again playing the victim...!!
I'm NOT GETTING ANY ANSWERS FROM YOU REGARDING YOUR ASSERTIONS POSTED AS 'FACTS', SO, CARRY ON WITH YOUR BLOODY WHINING AND CRYING IF YOU WISH BUT FOR CHRISTS SAKE MAN, GROW UP...!!!!!
I'm out.
You said "Whatever you say". This discussion is nothing to do with what I say, it's the current state of the UK.
Not sure what to make of the rest of your rant there. I actually thought you were doing well, you made an effort not to include the usual personal insults. Which is why I chose to answer your questions. "********************************* I wrote a long-ish rebuke back to you but, I actually came to my senses and deleted it immediately after posting, I read it back and realised it was rather too good to go to waste. Eva  | |||
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"Is it time to close all boarders now and end Global migration. So we can clear the backlog before letting any more in. Just say no. Grant them all right to stay, them watch the international corporations set up in the UK with the promise of cheap labour.
I'm with you let them all stay kick them on the street with £2000 and tel them to sort them self out.
Why are we housing people if they want to come let them but don't give so much.
Yes diferant for children but we have now created a system where if you get yo the UK you get a roof and food free at a decent standard.
But vetrans and others get nothing.
Do you think if we treated asylum seekers worse than we do, that somehow the government would start treating ex service personnel better?
Why can't we do both?
So why can't we help everyone. Stop over crowding in social housing. Give everyone that needs a home have one guess while we are at it put everyone on benifit so nobody is a sl*ve to a mortgage or have to work to by food. Get everyone on waiting lists for operations sorted next week. You have to be realistic.
The UK dose not have the land or infrastructure to house what it has let alone growing in number. Woodland is now 6% of what it was 100 years ago when population was 32 million people we are now at 67 million so with that growth we need a new city about the size of Liverpool every year. The penny dose not fit the slot.
Erm. Just talking about asylum seekers and ex service personnel.
People always seem to think it's some kind of choice.
Spoiler alert. The government doesn't give a fuck about either British or foreign poor people. If we were harsher to people arriving here seeking refuge, they wouldn't suddenly start helping anyone else.
I despair.... £8 billion on housing and feeding people who arrive here illegally.
£188 billion on NHS, approx £345K a minute, every minute of the the year!
Foreign aid budget for 2024 is £8.4 billion. £231 billion a year on benefits.
What is your view now? Will you still preach the same mantra or can you see what you said is incorrect?
What point are these figures demonstrating?
What do you think?
I think you're trying to divert the point away from discussing the other chaps assertion that we don't help ex service personnel because we help asylum seekers instead.
No I said why are asylum seekers helped more than oure own homeless.
I sure lots of homeless would love a hotel room and food. But lots can't even claim benifit as the are of no fixed address. And lots are sick and still get no help.
But turn up illegal and you get a roof over your head a 3 square meals a day.
Apparently there is going to be a legal battle about if migrants don't want to go on to the barge they can't be made homeless. There not homeless they have made them self homeless. Mack your self homeless in the UK the local council will not help you even if you land lord wants to sell you have to stay put until evicted.
Yes, so do you think if we stop helping asylum seekers, we will suddenly start helping homeless people?
I would like to think there would be more local money available to help, over crowding in social housing, people in temporary housing, and the homeless that is just the stat of the social housing problems. Have you ever seen 6 people in a 2 bed house? But people fleeing persecution an danger don't want to shear a room for 4, must be better then where thay have come from.
I'll go back to give them £2k start a NI number and let them get on with it find a home work etc. We give so much they don't want to stay in France.
I am suggesting that these things are unrelated. We could help homeless people now. But choose not to.
Helping asylum seekers or not, is completely unrelated."What help would you suggest that’s being not being chosen? | |||
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"@NotMe when you say... To clear up the confusion simply remove the NHS figures and we are left with aid. Shall we now call it £500 million a day? Not bad for a government that doesn’t give a f@@k about British or foreign poor people. Are you referring to foreign aid? If so then I do think there is more complexity than the UK Govt giving a fuck about the poor. The arguments in support of the foreign aid budget include: - help increase wealth in poorer countries to develop future consumer markets for British firms. - reduce poverty to help stabilise the political situation in those countries to support the point above and provide the UK with political influence In other words not purely altruistic. " The bottom line as far as I’m concerned, we can keep saying we are not doing enough but that’s simply wishful thinking by over optimistic socialist warriors , that rarely have an idea of the economics of their rose tinted thinking. To prove my point I would like someone to actually come up with a solution, how it would be funded, return for that funding and timescales, as a start. What would be nice? Avoid iCatch all comments such as the government doesn’t give a fuck, those comments are lazy and what started my posts. | |||
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"Is it time to close all boarders now and end Global migration. So we can clear the backlog before letting any more in. Just say no. Grant them all right to stay, them watch the international corporations set up in the UK with the promise of cheap labour.
I'm with you let them all stay kick them on the street with £2000 and tel them to sort them self out.
Why are we housing people if they want to come let them but don't give so much.
Yes diferant for children but we have now created a system where if you get yo the UK you get a roof and food free at a decent standard.
But vetrans and others get nothing.
Do you think if we treated asylum seekers worse than we do, that somehow the government would start treating ex service personnel better?
Why can't we do both?
So why can't we help everyone. Stop over crowding in social housing. Give everyone that needs a home have one guess while we are at it put everyone on benifit so nobody is a sl*ve to a mortgage or have to work to by food. Get everyone on waiting lists for operations sorted next week. You have to be realistic.
The UK dose not have the land or infrastructure to house what it has let alone growing in number. Woodland is now 6% of what it was 100 years ago when population was 32 million people we are now at 67 million so with that growth we need a new city about the size of Liverpool every year. The penny dose not fit the slot.
Erm. Just talking about asylum seekers and ex service personnel.
People always seem to think it's some kind of choice.
Spoiler alert. The government doesn't give a fuck about either British or foreign poor people. If we were harsher to people arriving here seeking refuge, they wouldn't suddenly start helping anyone else.
I despair.... £8 billion on housing and feeding people who arrive here illegally.
£188 billion on NHS, approx £345K a minute, every minute of the the year!
Foreign aid budget for 2024 is £8.4 billion. £231 billion a year on benefits.
What is your view now? Will you still preach the same mantra or can you see what you said is incorrect?
What point are these figures demonstrating?
What do you think?
I think you're trying to divert the point away from discussing the other chaps assertion that we don't help ex service personnel because we help asylum seekers instead.
No I said why are asylum seekers helped more than oure own homeless.
I sure lots of homeless would love a hotel room and food. But lots can't even claim benifit as the are of no fixed address. And lots are sick and still get no help.
But turn up illegal and you get a roof over your head a 3 square meals a day.
Apparently there is going to be a legal battle about if migrants don't want to go on to the barge they can't be made homeless. There not homeless they have made them self homeless. Mack your self homeless in the UK the local council will not help you even if you land lord wants to sell you have to stay put until evicted.
Yes, so do you think if we stop helping asylum seekers, we will suddenly start helping homeless people?
I would like to think there would be more local money available to help, over crowding in social housing, people in temporary housing, and the homeless that is just the stat of the social housing problems. Have you ever seen 6 people in a 2 bed house? But people fleeing persecution an danger don't want to shear a room for 4, must be better then where thay have come from.
I'll go back to give them £2k start a NI number and let them get on with it find a home work etc. We give so much they don't want to stay in France.
I am suggesting that these things are unrelated. We could help homeless people now. But choose not to.
Helping asylum seekers or not, is completely unrelated.
What help would you suggest that’s being not being chosen? "The point I was referring to was "But vetrans and others get nothing." So we could choose to give them something. | |||
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"Is it time to close all boarders now and end Global migration. So we can clear the backlog before letting any more in. Just say no. Grant them all right to stay, them watch the international corporations set up in the UK with the promise of cheap labour.
I'm with you let them all stay kick them on the street with £2000 and tel them to sort them self out.
Why are we housing people if they want to come let them but don't give so much.
Yes diferant for children but we have now created a system where if you get yo the UK you get a roof and food free at a decent standard.
But vetrans and others get nothing.
Do you think if we treated asylum seekers worse than we do, that somehow the government would start treating ex service personnel better?
Why can't we do both?
So why can't we help everyone. Stop over crowding in social housing. Give everyone that needs a home have one guess while we are at it put everyone on benifit so nobody is a sl*ve to a mortgage or have to work to by food. Get everyone on waiting lists for operations sorted next week. You have to be realistic.
The UK dose not have the land or infrastructure to house what it has let alone growing in number. Woodland is now 6% of what it was 100 years ago when population was 32 million people we are now at 67 million so with that growth we need a new city about the size of Liverpool every year. The penny dose not fit the slot.
Erm. Just talking about asylum seekers and ex service personnel.
People always seem to think it's some kind of choice.
Spoiler alert. The government doesn't give a fuck about either British or foreign poor people. If we were harsher to people arriving here seeking refuge, they wouldn't suddenly start helping anyone else.
I despair.... £8 billion on housing and feeding people who arrive here illegally.
£188 billion on NHS, approx £345K a minute, every minute of the the year!
Foreign aid budget for 2024 is £8.4 billion. £231 billion a year on benefits.
What is your view now? Will you still preach the same mantra or can you see what you said is incorrect?
What point are these figures demonstrating?
What do you think?
I think you're trying to divert the point away from discussing the other chaps assertion that we don't help ex service personnel because we help asylum seekers instead.
No I said why are asylum seekers helped more than oure own homeless.
I sure lots of homeless would love a hotel room and food. But lots can't even claim benifit as the are of no fixed address. And lots are sick and still get no help.
But turn up illegal and you get a roof over your head a 3 square meals a day.
Apparently there is going to be a legal battle about if migrants don't want to go on to the barge they can't be made homeless. There not homeless they have made them self homeless. Mack your self homeless in the UK the local council will not help you even if you land lord wants to sell you have to stay put until evicted.
Yes, so do you think if we stop helping asylum seekers, we will suddenly start helping homeless people?
I would like to think there would be more local money available to help, over crowding in social housing, people in temporary housing, and the homeless that is just the stat of the social housing problems. Have you ever seen 6 people in a 2 bed house? But people fleeing persecution an danger don't want to shear a room for 4, must be better then where thay have come from.
I'll go back to give them £2k start a NI number and let them get on with it find a home work etc. We give so much they don't want to stay in France.
I am suggesting that these things are unrelated. We could help homeless people now. But choose not to.
Helping asylum seekers or not, is completely unrelated."Have you tried to get a council house one property I was at today was a 2 bed flat MUM and 4 boys she is closed as band C in the waiting list for a larger property. Since Thatcher introduced the right to buy there has been a broken housing system. And housing associations don't help they just want the rent paid for poor service. | |||
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"Is it time to close all boarders now and end Global migration. So we can clear the backlog before letting any more in. Just say no. Grant them all right to stay, them watch the international corporations set up in the UK with the promise of cheap labour.
I'm with you let them all stay kick them on the street with £2000 and tel them to sort them self out.
Why are we housing people if they want to come let them but don't give so much.
Yes diferant for children but we have now created a system where if you get yo the UK you get a roof and food free at a decent standard.
But vetrans and others get nothing.
Do you think if we treated asylum seekers worse than we do, that somehow the government would start treating ex service personnel better?
Why can't we do both?
So why can't we help everyone. Stop over crowding in social housing. Give everyone that needs a home have one guess while we are at it put everyone on benifit so nobody is a sl*ve to a mortgage or have to work to by food. Get everyone on waiting lists for operations sorted next week. You have to be realistic.
The UK dose not have the land or infrastructure to house what it has let alone growing in number. Woodland is now 6% of what it was 100 years ago when population was 32 million people we are now at 67 million so with that growth we need a new city about the size of Liverpool every year. The penny dose not fit the slot.
Erm. Just talking about asylum seekers and ex service personnel.
People always seem to think it's some kind of choice.
Spoiler alert. The government doesn't give a fuck about either British or foreign poor people. If we were harsher to people arriving here seeking refuge, they wouldn't suddenly start helping anyone else.
I despair.... £8 billion on housing and feeding people who arrive here illegally.
£188 billion on NHS, approx £345K a minute, every minute of the the year!
Foreign aid budget for 2024 is £8.4 billion. £231 billion a year on benefits.
What is your view now? Will you still preach the same mantra or can you see what you said is incorrect?
What point are these figures demonstrating?
What do you think?
I think you're trying to divert the point away from discussing the other chaps assertion that we don't help ex service personnel because we help asylum seekers instead.
No I said why are asylum seekers helped more than oure own homeless.
I sure lots of homeless would love a hotel room and food. But lots can't even claim benifit as the are of no fixed address. And lots are sick and still get no help.
But turn up illegal and you get a roof over your head a 3 square meals a day.
Apparently there is going to be a legal battle about if migrants don't want to go on to the barge they can't be made homeless. There not homeless they have made them self homeless. Mack your self homeless in the UK the local council will not help you even if you land lord wants to sell you have to stay put until evicted.
Yes, so do you think if we stop helping asylum seekers, we will suddenly start helping homeless people?
I would like to think there would be more local money available to help, over crowding in social housing, people in temporary housing, and the homeless that is just the stat of the social housing problems. Have you ever seen 6 people in a 2 bed house? But people fleeing persecution an danger don't want to shear a room for 4, must be better then where thay have come from.
I'll go back to give them £2k start a NI number and let them get on with it find a home work etc. We give so much they don't want to stay in France.
I am suggesting that these things are unrelated. We could help homeless people now. But choose not to.
Helping asylum seekers or not, is completely unrelated.
Have you tried to get a council house one property I was at today was a 2 bed flat MUM and 4 boys she is closed as band C in the waiting list for a larger property.
Since Thatcher introduced the right to buy there has been a broken housing system. And housing associations don't help they just want the rent paid for poor service. "Got you. I'm arguing that this is unrelated to the treatment of asylum seekers. | |||
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"Is it time to close all boarders now and end Global migration. So we can clear the backlog before letting any more in. Just say no. Grant them all right to stay, them watch the international corporations set up in the UK with the promise of cheap labour.
I'm with you let them all stay kick them on the street with £2000 and tel them to sort them self out.
Why are we housing people if they want to come let them but don't give so much.
Yes diferant for children but we have now created a system where if you get yo the UK you get a roof and food free at a decent standard.
But vetrans and others get nothing.
Do you think if we treated asylum seekers worse than we do, that somehow the government would start treating ex service personnel better?
Why can't we do both?
So why can't we help everyone. Stop over crowding in social housing. Give everyone that needs a home have one guess while we are at it put everyone on benifit so nobody is a sl*ve to a mortgage or have to work to by food. Get everyone on waiting lists for operations sorted next week. You have to be realistic.
The UK dose not have the land or infrastructure to house what it has let alone growing in number. Woodland is now 6% of what it was 100 years ago when population was 32 million people we are now at 67 million so with that growth we need a new city about the size of Liverpool every year. The penny dose not fit the slot.
Erm. Just talking about asylum seekers and ex service personnel.
People always seem to think it's some kind of choice.
Spoiler alert. The government doesn't give a fuck about either British or foreign poor people. If we were harsher to people arriving here seeking refuge, they wouldn't suddenly start helping anyone else.
I despair.... £8 billion on housing and feeding people who arrive here illegally.
£188 billion on NHS, approx £345K a minute, every minute of the the year!
Foreign aid budget for 2024 is £8.4 billion. £231 billion a year on benefits.
What is your view now? Will you still preach the same mantra or can you see what you said is incorrect?
What point are these figures demonstrating?
What do you think?
I think you're trying to divert the point away from discussing the other chaps assertion that we don't help ex service personnel because we help asylum seekers instead.
No I said why are asylum seekers helped more than oure own homeless.
I sure lots of homeless would love a hotel room and food. But lots can't even claim benifit as the are of no fixed address. And lots are sick and still get no help.
But turn up illegal and you get a roof over your head a 3 square meals a day.
Apparently there is going to be a legal battle about if migrants don't want to go on to the barge they can't be made homeless. There not homeless they have made them self homeless. Mack your self homeless in the UK the local council will not help you even if you land lord wants to sell you have to stay put until evicted.
Yes, so do you think if we stop helping asylum seekers, we will suddenly start helping homeless people?
I would like to think there would be more local money available to help, over crowding in social housing, people in temporary housing, and the homeless that is just the stat of the social housing problems. Have you ever seen 6 people in a 2 bed house? But people fleeing persecution an danger don't want to shear a room for 4, must be better then where thay have come from.
I'll go back to give them £2k start a NI number and let them get on with it find a home work etc. We give so much they don't want to stay in France.
I am suggesting that these things are unrelated. We could help homeless people now. But choose not to.
Helping asylum seekers or not, is completely unrelated.
What help would you suggest that’s being not being chosen?
The point I was referring to was "But vetrans and others get nothing."
So we could choose to give them something.
"You could treat them equally by giving the homeless the same benefits as asylum seekers or alternatively give asylum seekers the same benefits as the homeless. Either way one should not get more than the other | |||
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"Is it time to close all boarders now and end Global migration. So we can clear the backlog before letting any more in. Just say no. Grant them all right to stay, them watch the international corporations set up in the UK with the promise of cheap labour.
I'm with you let them all stay kick them on the street with £2000 and tel them to sort them self out.
Why are we housing people if they want to come let them but don't give so much.
Yes diferant for children but we have now created a system where if you get yo the UK you get a roof and food free at a decent standard.
But vetrans and others get nothing.
Do you think if we treated asylum seekers worse than we do, that somehow the government would start treating ex service personnel better?
Why can't we do both?
So why can't we help everyone. Stop over crowding in social housing. Give everyone that needs a home have one guess while we are at it put everyone on benifit so nobody is a sl*ve to a mortgage or have to work to by food. Get everyone on waiting lists for operations sorted next week. You have to be realistic.
The UK dose not have the land or infrastructure to house what it has let alone growing in number. Woodland is now 6% of what it was 100 years ago when population was 32 million people we are now at 67 million so with that growth we need a new city about the size of Liverpool every year. The penny dose not fit the slot.
Erm. Just talking about asylum seekers and ex service personnel.
People always seem to think it's some kind of choice.
Spoiler alert. The government doesn't give a fuck about either British or foreign poor people. If we were harsher to people arriving here seeking refuge, they wouldn't suddenly start helping anyone else.
I despair.... £8 billion on housing and feeding people who arrive here illegally.
£188 billion on NHS, approx £345K a minute, every minute of the the year!
Foreign aid budget for 2024 is £8.4 billion. £231 billion a year on benefits.
What is your view now? Will you still preach the same mantra or can you see what you said is incorrect?
What point are these figures demonstrating?
What do you think?
I think you're trying to divert the point away from discussing the other chaps assertion that we don't help ex service personnel because we help asylum seekers instead.
No I said why are asylum seekers helped more than oure own homeless.
I sure lots of homeless would love a hotel room and food. But lots can't even claim benifit as the are of no fixed address. And lots are sick and still get no help.
But turn up illegal and you get a roof over your head a 3 square meals a day.
Apparently there is going to be a legal battle about if migrants don't want to go on to the barge they can't be made homeless. There not homeless they have made them self homeless. Mack your self homeless in the UK the local council will not help you even if you land lord wants to sell you have to stay put until evicted.
Yes, so do you think if we stop helping asylum seekers, we will suddenly start helping homeless people?
I would like to think there would be more local money available to help, over crowding in social housing, people in temporary housing, and the homeless that is just the stat of the social housing problems. Have you ever seen 6 people in a 2 bed house? But people fleeing persecution an danger don't want to shear a room for 4, must be better then where thay have come from.
I'll go back to give them £2k start a NI number and let them get on with it find a home work etc. We give so much they don't want to stay in France.
I am suggesting that these things are unrelated. We could help homeless people now. But choose not to.
Helping asylum seekers or not, is completely unrelated.
What help would you suggest that’s being not being chosen?
The point I was referring to was "But vetrans and others get nothing."
So we could choose to give them something.
You could treat them equally by giving the homeless the same benefits as asylum seekers or alternatively give asylum seekers the same benefits as the homeless. Either way one should not get more than the other"Help them both surely. | |||
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"Is it time to close all boarders now and end Global migration. So we can clear the backlog before letting any more in. Just say no. Grant them all right to stay, them watch the international corporations set up in the UK with the promise of cheap labour.
I'm with you let them all stay kick them on the street with £2000 and tel them to sort them self out.
Why are we housing people if they want to come let them but don't give so much.
Yes diferant for children but we have now created a system where if you get yo the UK you get a roof and food free at a decent standard.
But vetrans and others get nothing.
Do you think if we treated asylum seekers worse than we do, that somehow the government would start treating ex service personnel better?
Why can't we do both?
So why can't we help everyone. Stop over crowding in social housing. Give everyone that needs a home have one guess while we are at it put everyone on benifit so nobody is a sl*ve to a mortgage or have to work to by food. Get everyone on waiting lists for operations sorted next week. You have to be realistic.
The UK dose not have the land or infrastructure to house what it has let alone growing in number. Woodland is now 6% of what it was 100 years ago when population was 32 million people we are now at 67 million so with that growth we need a new city about the size of Liverpool every year. The penny dose not fit the slot.
Erm. Just talking about asylum seekers and ex service personnel.
People always seem to think it's some kind of choice.
Spoiler alert. The government doesn't give a fuck about either British or foreign poor people. If we were harsher to people arriving here seeking refuge, they wouldn't suddenly start helping anyone else.
I despair.... £8 billion on housing and feeding people who arrive here illegally.
£188 billion on NHS, approx £345K a minute, every minute of the the year!
Foreign aid budget for 2024 is £8.4 billion. £231 billion a year on benefits.
What is your view now? Will you still preach the same mantra or can you see what you said is incorrect?
What point are these figures demonstrating?
What do you think?
I think you're trying to divert the point away from discussing the other chaps assertion that we don't help ex service personnel because we help asylum seekers instead.
No I said why are asylum seekers helped more than oure own homeless.
I sure lots of homeless would love a hotel room and food. But lots can't even claim benifit as the are of no fixed address. And lots are sick and still get no help.
But turn up illegal and you get a roof over your head a 3 square meals a day.
Apparently there is going to be a legal battle about if migrants don't want to go on to the barge they can't be made homeless. There not homeless they have made them self homeless. Mack your self homeless in the UK the local council will not help you even if you land lord wants to sell you have to stay put until evicted.
Yes, so do you think if we stop helping asylum seekers, we will suddenly start helping homeless people?
I would like to think there would be more local money available to help, over crowding in social housing, people in temporary housing, and the homeless that is just the stat of the social housing problems. Have you ever seen 6 people in a 2 bed house? But people fleeing persecution an danger don't want to shear a room for 4, must be better then where thay have come from.
I'll go back to give them £2k start a NI number and let them get on with it find a home work etc. We give so much they don't want to stay in France.
I am suggesting that these things are unrelated. We could help homeless people now. But choose not to.
Helping asylum seekers or not, is completely unrelated.
What help would you suggest that’s being not being chosen?
The point I was referring to was "But vetrans and others get nothing."
So we could choose to give them something.
You could treat them equally by giving the homeless the same benefits as asylum seekers or alternatively give asylum seekers the same benefits as the homeless. Either way one should not get more than the other
Help them both surely."All of them or 50 - 50 | |||
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"Is it time to close all boarders now and end Global migration. So we can clear the backlog before letting any more in. Just say no." You know…. If you can solve the whole “war and persecution ” thing… most people wouldn’t want to move! | |||
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"Is it time to close all boarders now and end Global migration. So we can clear the backlog before letting any more in. Just say no. Grant them all right to stay, them watch the international corporations set up in the UK with the promise of cheap labour.
I'm with you let them all stay kick them on the street with £2000 and tel them to sort them self out.
Why are we housing people if they want to come let them but don't give so much.
Yes diferant for children but we have now created a system where if you get yo the UK you get a roof and food free at a decent standard.
But vetrans and others get nothing.
Do you think if we treated asylum seekers worse than we do, that somehow the government would start treating ex service personnel better?
Why can't we do both?
So why can't we help everyone. Stop over crowding in social housing. Give everyone that needs a home have one guess while we are at it put everyone on benifit so nobody is a sl*ve to a mortgage or have to work to by food. Get everyone on waiting lists for operations sorted next week. You have to be realistic.
The UK dose not have the land or infrastructure to house what it has let alone growing in number. Woodland is now 6% of what it was 100 years ago when population was 32 million people we are now at 67 million so with that growth we need a new city about the size of Liverpool every year. The penny dose not fit the slot.
Erm. Just talking about asylum seekers and ex service personnel.
People always seem to think it's some kind of choice.
Spoiler alert. The government doesn't give a fuck about either British or foreign poor people. If we were harsher to people arriving here seeking refuge, they wouldn't suddenly start helping anyone else.
I despair.... £8 billion on housing and feeding people who arrive here illegally.
£188 billion on NHS, approx £345K a minute, every minute of the the year!
Foreign aid budget for 2024 is £8.4 billion. £231 billion a year on benefits.
What is your view now? Will you still preach the same mantra or can you see what you said is incorrect?
What point are these figures demonstrating?
What do you think?
I think you're trying to divert the point away from discussing the other chaps assertion that we don't help ex service personnel because we help asylum seekers instead.
No I said why are asylum seekers helped more than oure own homeless.
I sure lots of homeless would love a hotel room and food. But lots can't even claim benifit as the are of no fixed address. And lots are sick and still get no help.
But turn up illegal and you get a roof over your head a 3 square meals a day.
Apparently there is going to be a legal battle about if migrants don't want to go on to the barge they can't be made homeless. There not homeless they have made them self homeless. Mack your self homeless in the UK the local council will not help you even if you land lord wants to sell you have to stay put until evicted.
Yes, so do you think if we stop helping asylum seekers, we will suddenly start helping homeless people?
I would like to think there would be more local money available to help, over crowding in social housing, people in temporary housing, and the homeless that is just the stat of the social housing problems. Have you ever seen 6 people in a 2 bed house? But people fleeing persecution an danger don't want to shear a room for 4, must be better then where thay have come from.
I'll go back to give them £2k start a NI number and let them get on with it find a home work etc. We give so much they don't want to stay in France.
I am suggesting that these things are unrelated. We could help homeless people now. But choose not to.
Helping asylum seekers or not, is completely unrelated.
What help would you suggest that’s being not being chosen?
The point I was referring to was "But vetrans and others get nothing."
So we could choose to give them something.
You could treat them equally by giving the homeless the same benefits as asylum seekers or alternatively give asylum seekers the same benefits as the homeless. Either way one should not get more than the other
Help them both surely.
All of them or 50 - 50"All of them whom it's appropriate to help. | |||
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"Is it time to close all boarders now and end Global migration. So we can clear the backlog before letting any more in. Just say no. Grant them all right to stay, them watch the international corporations set up in the UK with the promise of cheap labour.
I'm with you let them all stay kick them on the street with £2000 and tel them to sort them self out.
Why are we housing people if they want to come let them but don't give so much.
Yes diferant for children but we have now created a system where if you get yo the UK you get a roof and food free at a decent standard.
But vetrans and others get nothing.
Do you think if we treated asylum seekers worse than we do, that somehow the government would start treating ex service personnel better?
Why can't we do both?
So why can't we help everyone. Stop over crowding in social housing. Give everyone that needs a home have one guess while we are at it put everyone on benifit so nobody is a sl*ve to a mortgage or have to work to by food. Get everyone on waiting lists for operations sorted next week. You have to be realistic.
The UK dose not have the land or infrastructure to house what it has let alone growing in number. Woodland is now 6% of what it was 100 years ago when population was 32 million people we are now at 67 million so with that growth we need a new city about the size of Liverpool every year. The penny dose not fit the slot.
Erm. Just talking about asylum seekers and ex service personnel.
People always seem to think it's some kind of choice.
Spoiler alert. The government doesn't give a fuck about either British or foreign poor people. If we were harsher to people arriving here seeking refuge, they wouldn't suddenly start helping anyone else.
I despair.... £8 billion on housing and feeding people who arrive here illegally.
£188 billion on NHS, approx £345K a minute, every minute of the the year!
Foreign aid budget for 2024 is £8.4 billion. £231 billion a year on benefits.
What is your view now? Will you still preach the same mantra or can you see what you said is incorrect?
What point are these figures demonstrating?
What do you think?
I think you're trying to divert the point away from discussing the other chaps assertion that we don't help ex service personnel because we help asylum seekers instead.
No I said why are asylum seekers helped more than oure own homeless.
I sure lots of homeless would love a hotel room and food. But lots can't even claim benifit as the are of no fixed address. And lots are sick and still get no help.
But turn up illegal and you get a roof over your head a 3 square meals a day.
Apparently there is going to be a legal battle about if migrants don't want to go on to the barge they can't be made homeless. There not homeless they have made them self homeless. Mack your self homeless in the UK the local council will not help you even if you land lord wants to sell you have to stay put until evicted.
Yes, so do you think if we stop helping asylum seekers, we will suddenly start helping homeless people?
I would like to think there would be more local money available to help, over crowding in social housing, people in temporary housing, and the homeless that is just the stat of the social housing problems. Have you ever seen 6 people in a 2 bed house? But people fleeing persecution an danger don't want to shear a room for 4, must be better then where thay have come from.
I'll go back to give them £2k start a NI number and let them get on with it find a home work etc. We give so much they don't want to stay in France.
I am suggesting that these things are unrelated. We could help homeless people now. But choose not to.
Helping asylum seekers or not, is completely unrelated.
Have you tried to get a council house one property I was at today was a 2 bed flat MUM and 4 boys she is closed as band C in the waiting list for a larger property.
Since Thatcher introduced the right to buy there has been a broken housing system. And housing associations don't help they just want the rent paid for poor service.
Got you. I'm arguing that this is unrelated to the treatment of asylum seekers. "Sorry I don't play tag like a child got you your it. If the UK is spending money on illegal migrants it should stop. I live in a costal town and have stopped my support for the RNLI as they keep rescuing illegal migrants. So people like you need to support ti's kind of charity if you want it to carry on helping illegal migrants. So if a homeless person gets in a small boat padels out to see and gets rescueed will they get the same support as foreign migrants? | |||
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"Is it time to close all boarders now and end Global migration. So we can clear the backlog before letting any more in. Just say no. Grant them all right to stay, them watch the international corporations set up in the UK with the promise of cheap labour.
I'm with you let them all stay kick them on the street with £2000 and tel them to sort them self out.
Why are we housing people if they want to come let them but don't give so much.
Yes diferant for children but we have now created a system where if you get yo the UK you get a roof and food free at a decent standard.
But vetrans and others get nothing.
Do you think if we treated asylum seekers worse than we do, that somehow the government would start treating ex service personnel better?
Why can't we do both?
So why can't we help everyone. Stop over crowding in social housing. Give everyone that needs a home have one guess while we are at it put everyone on benifit so nobody is a sl*ve to a mortgage or have to work to by food. Get everyone on waiting lists for operations sorted next week. You have to be realistic.
The UK dose not have the land or infrastructure to house what it has let alone growing in number. Woodland is now 6% of what it was 100 years ago when population was 32 million people we are now at 67 million so with that growth we need a new city about the size of Liverpool every year. The penny dose not fit the slot.
Erm. Just talking about asylum seekers and ex service personnel.
People always seem to think it's some kind of choice.
Spoiler alert. The government doesn't give a fuck about either British or foreign poor people. If we were harsher to people arriving here seeking refuge, they wouldn't suddenly start helping anyone else.
I despair.... £8 billion on housing and feeding people who arrive here illegally.
£188 billion on NHS, approx £345K a minute, every minute of the the year!
Foreign aid budget for 2024 is £8.4 billion. £231 billion a year on benefits.
What is your view now? Will you still preach the same mantra or can you see what you said is incorrect?
What point are these figures demonstrating?
What do you think?
I think you're trying to divert the point away from discussing the other chaps assertion that we don't help ex service personnel because we help asylum seekers instead.
No I said why are asylum seekers helped more than oure own homeless.
I sure lots of homeless would love a hotel room and food. But lots can't even claim benifit as the are of no fixed address. And lots are sick and still get no help.
But turn up illegal and you get a roof over your head a 3 square meals a day.
Apparently there is going to be a legal battle about if migrants don't want to go on to the barge they can't be made homeless. There not homeless they have made them self homeless. Mack your self homeless in the UK the local council will not help you even if you land lord wants to sell you have to stay put until evicted.
Yes, so do you think if we stop helping asylum seekers, we will suddenly start helping homeless people?
I would like to think there would be more local money available to help, over crowding in social housing, people in temporary housing, and the homeless that is just the stat of the social housing problems. Have you ever seen 6 people in a 2 bed house? But people fleeing persecution an danger don't want to shear a room for 4, must be better then where thay have come from.
I'll go back to give them £2k start a NI number and let them get on with it find a home work etc. We give so much they don't want to stay in France.
I am suggesting that these things are unrelated. We could help homeless people now. But choose not to.
Helping asylum seekers or not, is completely unrelated.
What help would you suggest that’s being not being chosen?
The point I was referring to was "But vetrans and others get nothing."
So we could choose to give them something.
You could treat them equally by giving the homeless the same benefits as asylum seekers or alternatively give asylum seekers the same benefits as the homeless. Either way one should not get more than the other"Dam right as well | |||
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"Is it time to close all boarders now and end Global migration. So we can clear the backlog before letting any more in. Just say no. Grant them all right to stay, them watch the international corporations set up in the UK with the promise of cheap labour.
I'm with you let them all stay kick them on the street with £2000 and tel them to sort them self out.
Why are we housing people if they want to come let them but don't give so much.
Yes diferant for children but we have now created a system where if you get yo the UK you get a roof and food free at a decent standard.
But vetrans and others get nothing.
Do you think if we treated asylum seekers worse than we do, that somehow the government would start treating ex service personnel better?
Why can't we do both?
So why can't we help everyone. Stop over crowding in social housing. Give everyone that needs a home have one guess while we are at it put everyone on benifit so nobody is a sl*ve to a mortgage or have to work to by food. Get everyone on waiting lists for operations sorted next week. You have to be realistic.
The UK dose not have the land or infrastructure to house what it has let alone growing in number. Woodland is now 6% of what it was 100 years ago when population was 32 million people we are now at 67 million so with that growth we need a new city about the size of Liverpool every year. The penny dose not fit the slot.
Erm. Just talking about asylum seekers and ex service personnel.
People always seem to think it's some kind of choice.
Spoiler alert. The government doesn't give a fuck about either British or foreign poor people. If we were harsher to people arriving here seeking refuge, they wouldn't suddenly start helping anyone else.
I despair.... £8 billion on housing and feeding people who arrive here illegally.
£188 billion on NHS, approx £345K a minute, every minute of the the year!
Foreign aid budget for 2024 is £8.4 billion. £231 billion a year on benefits.
What is your view now? Will you still preach the same mantra or can you see what you said is incorrect?
What point are these figures demonstrating?
What do you think?
I think you're trying to divert the point away from discussing the other chaps assertion that we don't help ex service personnel because we help asylum seekers instead.
No I said why are asylum seekers helped more than oure own homeless.
I sure lots of homeless would love a hotel room and food. But lots can't even claim benifit as the are of no fixed address. And lots are sick and still get no help.
But turn up illegal and you get a roof over your head a 3 square meals a day.
Apparently there is going to be a legal battle about if migrants don't want to go on to the barge they can't be made homeless. There not homeless they have made them self homeless. Mack your self homeless in the UK the local council will not help you even if you land lord wants to sell you have to stay put until evicted.
Yes, so do you think if we stop helping asylum seekers, we will suddenly start helping homeless people?
I would like to think there would be more local money available to help, over crowding in social housing, people in temporary housing, and the homeless that is just the stat of the social housing problems. Have you ever seen 6 people in a 2 bed house? But people fleeing persecution an danger don't want to shear a room for 4, must be better then where thay have come from.
I'll go back to give them £2k start a NI number and let them get on with it find a home work etc. We give so much they don't want to stay in France.
I am suggesting that these things are unrelated. We could help homeless people now. But choose not to.
Helping asylum seekers or not, is completely unrelated.
What help would you suggest that’s being not being chosen?
The point I was referring to was "But vetrans and others get nothing."
So we could choose to give them something.
You could treat them equally by giving the homeless the same benefits as asylum seekers or alternatively give asylum seekers the same benefits as the homeless. Either way one should not get more than the other
Help them both surely."Why not give them all a 3 bed detached house tax free for the rest of there life and let them clam universal credit, send there children to school free, and give the free NHS. Well if your going to do that you make a home and they will come. | |||
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"Is it time to close all boarders now and end Global migration. So we can clear the backlog before letting any more in. Just say no. Grant them all right to stay, them watch the international corporations set up in the UK with the promise of cheap labour.
I'm with you let them all stay kick them on the street with £2000 and tel them to sort them self out.
Why are we housing people if they want to come let them but don't give so much.
Yes diferant for children but we have now created a system where if you get yo the UK you get a roof and food free at a decent standard.
But vetrans and others get nothing.
Do you think if we treated asylum seekers worse than we do, that somehow the government would start treating ex service personnel better?
Why can't we do both?
So why can't we help everyone. Stop over crowding in social housing. Give everyone that needs a home have one guess while we are at it put everyone on benifit so nobody is a sl*ve to a mortgage or have to work to by food. Get everyone on waiting lists for operations sorted next week. You have to be realistic.
The UK dose not have the land or infrastructure to house what it has let alone growing in number. Woodland is now 6% of what it was 100 years ago when population was 32 million people we are now at 67 million so with that growth we need a new city about the size of Liverpool every year. The penny dose not fit the slot.
Erm. Just talking about asylum seekers and ex service personnel.
People always seem to think it's some kind of choice.
Spoiler alert. The government doesn't give a fuck about either British or foreign poor people. If we were harsher to people arriving here seeking refuge, they wouldn't suddenly start helping anyone else.
I despair.... £8 billion on housing and feeding people who arrive here illegally.
£188 billion on NHS, approx £345K a minute, every minute of the the year!
Foreign aid budget for 2024 is £8.4 billion. £231 billion a year on benefits.
What is your view now? Will you still preach the same mantra or can you see what you said is incorrect?
What point are these figures demonstrating?
What do you think?
I think you're trying to divert the point away from discussing the other chaps assertion that we don't help ex service personnel because we help asylum seekers instead.
No I said why are asylum seekers helped more than oure own homeless.
I sure lots of homeless would love a hotel room and food. But lots can't even claim benifit as the are of no fixed address. And lots are sick and still get no help.
But turn up illegal and you get a roof over your head a 3 square meals a day.
Apparently there is going to be a legal battle about if migrants don't want to go on to the barge they can't be made homeless. There not homeless they have made them self homeless. Mack your self homeless in the UK the local council will not help you even if you land lord wants to sell you have to stay put until evicted.
Yes, so do you think if we stop helping asylum seekers, we will suddenly start helping homeless people?
I would like to think there would be more local money available to help, over crowding in social housing, people in temporary housing, and the homeless that is just the stat of the social housing problems. Have you ever seen 6 people in a 2 bed house? But people fleeing persecution an danger don't want to shear a room for 4, must be better then where thay have come from.
I'll go back to give them £2k start a NI number and let them get on with it find a home work etc. We give so much they don't want to stay in France.
I am suggesting that these things are unrelated. We could help homeless people now. But choose not to.
Helping asylum seekers or not, is completely unrelated.
What help would you suggest that’s being not being chosen?
The point I was referring to was "But vetrans and others get nothing."
So we could choose to give them something.
You could treat them equally by giving the homeless the same benefits as asylum seekers or alternatively give asylum seekers the same benefits as the homeless. Either way one should not get more than the other
Help them both surely.
All of them or 50 - 50
All of them whom it's appropriate to help."No help them all even people coming from America that don't have heath insurance let them come use the NHS then give them a home and benifits. Fu*k I might get a boot tomorrow as I can't get a GP appointment but I would get to see one when landing at Dover. | |||
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"Why do people only seem to care about the homeless its a migration thread? Assuming we are talking about those sleeping rough, it's about 5 bibby barges worth. If it just needed money or could be solved in a blink. But I suspect some would be up in arms about "drug addicts, theives and porszies being put up in 4* hotels" if we spent the money on the homeless. " If you can't help your own why make it easy to help others. So why don't they stay in Europe? | |||
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"Is it time to close all boarders now and end Global migration. So we can clear the backlog before letting any more in. Just say no. Grant them all right to stay, them watch the international corporations set up in the UK with the promise of cheap labour.
I'm with you let them all stay kick them on the street with £2000 and tel them to sort them self out.
Why are we housing people if they want to come let them but don't give so much.
Yes diferant for children but we have now created a system where if you get yo the UK you get a roof and food free at a decent standard.
But vetrans and others get nothing.
Do you think if we treated asylum seekers worse than we do, that somehow the government would start treating ex service personnel better?
Why can't we do both?
So why can't we help everyone. Stop over crowding in social housing. Give everyone that needs a home have one guess while we are at it put everyone on benifit so nobody is a sl*ve to a mortgage or have to work to by food. Get everyone on waiting lists for operations sorted next week. You have to be realistic.
The UK dose not have the land or infrastructure to house what it has let alone growing in number. Woodland is now 6% of what it was 100 years ago when population was 32 million people we are now at 67 million so with that growth we need a new city about the size of Liverpool every year. The penny dose not fit the slot.
Erm. Just talking about asylum seekers and ex service personnel.
People always seem to think it's some kind of choice.
Spoiler alert. The government doesn't give a fuck about either British or foreign poor people. If we were harsher to people arriving here seeking refuge, they wouldn't suddenly start helping anyone else.
I despair.... £8 billion on housing and feeding people who arrive here illegally.
£188 billion on NHS, approx £345K a minute, every minute of the the year!
Foreign aid budget for 2024 is £8.4 billion. £231 billion a year on benefits.
What is your view now? Will you still preach the same mantra or can you see what you said is incorrect?
What point are these figures demonstrating?
What do you think?
I think you're trying to divert the point away from discussing the other chaps assertion that we don't help ex service personnel because we help asylum seekers instead.
No I said why are asylum seekers helped more than oure own homeless.
I sure lots of homeless would love a hotel room and food. But lots can't even claim benifit as the are of no fixed address. And lots are sick and still get no help.
But turn up illegal and you get a roof over your head a 3 square meals a day.
Apparently there is going to be a legal battle about if migrants don't want to go on to the barge they can't be made homeless. There not homeless they have made them self homeless. Mack your self homeless in the UK the local council will not help you even if you land lord wants to sell you have to stay put until evicted.
Yes, so do you think if we stop helping asylum seekers, we will suddenly start helping homeless people?
I would like to think there would be more local money available to help, over crowding in social housing, people in temporary housing, and the homeless that is just the stat of the social housing problems. Have you ever seen 6 people in a 2 bed house? But people fleeing persecution an danger don't want to shear a room for 4, must be better then where thay have come from.
I'll go back to give them £2k start a NI number and let them get on with it find a home work etc. We give so much they don't want to stay in France.
I am suggesting that these things are unrelated. We could help homeless people now. But choose not to.
Helping asylum seekers or not, is completely unrelated.
Have you tried to get a council house one property I was at today was a 2 bed flat MUM and 4 boys she is closed as band C in the waiting list for a larger property.
Since Thatcher introduced the right to buy there has been a broken housing system. And housing associations don't help they just want the rent paid for poor service.
Got you. I'm arguing that this is unrelated to the treatment of asylum seekers.
Sorry I don't play tag like a child got you your it.
If the UK is spending money on illegal migrants it should stop.
I live in a costal town and have stopped my support for the RNLI as they keep rescuing illegal migrants. So people like you need to support ti's kind of charity if you want it to carry on helping illegal migrants.
So if a homeless person gets in a small boat padels out to see and gets rescueed will they get the same support as foreign migrants?"Do you think the government will suddenly start helping homeless people if we stop helping asylum seekers? Would you prefer the RNLI to do a passport check on drowning people before saving them? | |||
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"Is it time to close all boarders now and end Global migration. So we can clear the backlog before letting any more in. Just say no. Grant them all right to stay, them watch the international corporations set up in the UK with the promise of cheap labour.
I'm with you let them all stay kick them on the street with £2000 and tel them to sort them self out.
Why are we housing people if they want to come let them but don't give so much.
Yes diferant for children but we have now created a system where if you get yo the UK you get a roof and food free at a decent standard.
But vetrans and others get nothing.
Do you think if we treated asylum seekers worse than we do, that somehow the government would start treating ex service personnel better?
Why can't we do both?
So why can't we help everyone. Stop over crowding in social housing. Give everyone that needs a home have one guess while we are at it put everyone on benifit so nobody is a sl*ve to a mortgage or have to work to by food. Get everyone on waiting lists for operations sorted next week. You have to be realistic.
The UK dose not have the land or infrastructure to house what it has let alone growing in number. Woodland is now 6% of what it was 100 years ago when population was 32 million people we are now at 67 million so with that growth we need a new city about the size of Liverpool every year. The penny dose not fit the slot.
Erm. Just talking about asylum seekers and ex service personnel.
People always seem to think it's some kind of choice.
Spoiler alert. The government doesn't give a fuck about either British or foreign poor people. If we were harsher to people arriving here seeking refuge, they wouldn't suddenly start helping anyone else.
I despair.... £8 billion on housing and feeding people who arrive here illegally.
£188 billion on NHS, approx £345K a minute, every minute of the the year!
Foreign aid budget for 2024 is £8.4 billion. £231 billion a year on benefits.
What is your view now? Will you still preach the same mantra or can you see what you said is incorrect?
What point are these figures demonstrating?
What do you think?
I think you're trying to divert the point away from discussing the other chaps assertion that we don't help ex service personnel because we help asylum seekers instead.
No I said why are asylum seekers helped more than oure own homeless.
I sure lots of homeless would love a hotel room and food. But lots can't even claim benifit as the are of no fixed address. And lots are sick and still get no help.
But turn up illegal and you get a roof over your head a 3 square meals a day.
Apparently there is going to be a legal battle about if migrants don't want to go on to the barge they can't be made homeless. There not homeless they have made them self homeless. Mack your self homeless in the UK the local council will not help you even if you land lord wants to sell you have to stay put until evicted.
Yes, so do you think if we stop helping asylum seekers, we will suddenly start helping homeless people?
I would like to think there would be more local money available to help, over crowding in social housing, people in temporary housing, and the homeless that is just the stat of the social housing problems. Have you ever seen 6 people in a 2 bed house? But people fleeing persecution an danger don't want to shear a room for 4, must be better then where thay have come from.
I'll go back to give them £2k start a NI number and let them get on with it find a home work etc. We give so much they don't want to stay in France.
I am suggesting that these things are unrelated. We could help homeless people now. But choose not to.
Helping asylum seekers or not, is completely unrelated.
What help would you suggest that’s being not being chosen?
The point I was referring to was "But vetrans and others get nothing."
So we could choose to give them something.
You could treat them equally by giving the homeless the same benefits as asylum seekers or alternatively give asylum seekers the same benefits as the homeless. Either way one should not get more than the other
Help them both surely.
All of them or 50 - 50
All of them whom it's appropriate to help.
No help them all even people coming from America that don't have heath insurance let them come use the NHS then give them a home and benifits.
Fu*k I might get a boot tomorrow as I can't get a GP appointment but I would get to see one when landing at Dover."Not really sure I understand this point. Can you rephrase? | |||
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"Is it time to close all boarders now and end Global migration. So we can clear the backlog before letting any more in. Just say no. Grant them all right to stay, them watch the international corporations set up in the UK with the promise of cheap labour.
I'm with you let them all stay kick them on the street with £2000 and tel them to sort them self out.
Why are we housing people if they want to come let them but don't give so much.
Yes diferant for children but we have now created a system where if you get yo the UK you get a roof and food free at a decent standard.
But vetrans and others get nothing.
Do you think if we treated asylum seekers worse than we do, that somehow the government would start treating ex service personnel better?
Why can't we do both?
So why can't we help everyone. Stop over crowding in social housing. Give everyone that needs a home have one guess while we are at it put everyone on benifit so nobody is a sl*ve to a mortgage or have to work to by food. Get everyone on waiting lists for operations sorted next week. You have to be realistic.
The UK dose not have the land or infrastructure to house what it has let alone growing in number. Woodland is now 6% of what it was 100 years ago when population was 32 million people we are now at 67 million so with that growth we need a new city about the size of Liverpool every year. The penny dose not fit the slot.
Erm. Just talking about asylum seekers and ex service personnel.
People always seem to think it's some kind of choice.
Spoiler alert. The government doesn't give a fuck about either British or foreign poor people. If we were harsher to people arriving here seeking refuge, they wouldn't suddenly start helping anyone else.
I despair.... £8 billion on housing and feeding people who arrive here illegally.
£188 billion on NHS, approx £345K a minute, every minute of the the year!
Foreign aid budget for 2024 is £8.4 billion. £231 billion a year on benefits.
What is your view now? Will you still preach the same mantra or can you see what you said is incorrect?
What point are these figures demonstrating?
What do you think?
I think you're trying to divert the point away from discussing the other chaps assertion that we don't help ex service personnel because we help asylum seekers instead.
No I said why are asylum seekers helped more than oure own homeless.
I sure lots of homeless would love a hotel room and food. But lots can't even claim benifit as the are of no fixed address. And lots are sick and still get no help.
But turn up illegal and you get a roof over your head a 3 square meals a day.
Apparently there is going to be a legal battle about if migrants don't want to go on to the barge they can't be made homeless. There not homeless they have made them self homeless. Mack your self homeless in the UK the local council will not help you even if you land lord wants to sell you have to stay put until evicted.
Yes, so do you think if we stop helping asylum seekers, we will suddenly start helping homeless people?
I would like to think there would be more local money available to help, over crowding in social housing, people in temporary housing, and the homeless that is just the stat of the social housing problems. Have you ever seen 6 people in a 2 bed house? But people fleeing persecution an danger don't want to shear a room for 4, must be better then where thay have come from.
I'll go back to give them £2k start a NI number and let them get on with it find a home work etc. We give so much they don't want to stay in France.
I am suggesting that these things are unrelated. We could help homeless people now. But choose not to.
Helping asylum seekers or not, is completely unrelated.
Have you tried to get a council house one property I was at today was a 2 bed flat MUM and 4 boys she is closed as band C in the waiting list for a larger property.
Since Thatcher introduced the right to buy there has been a broken housing system. And housing associations don't help they just want the rent paid for poor service.
Got you. I'm arguing that this is unrelated to the treatment of asylum seekers.
Sorry I don't play tag like a child got you your it.
If the UK is spending money on illegal migrants it should stop.
I live in a costal town and have stopped my support for the RNLI as they keep rescuing illegal migrants. So people like you need to support ti's kind of charity if you want it to carry on helping illegal migrants.
So if a homeless person gets in a small boat padels out to see and gets rescueed will they get the same support as foreign migrants?
Do you think the government will suddenly start helping homeless people if we stop helping asylum seekers?
Would you prefer the RNLI to do a passport check on drowning people before saving them?"Am at a point I don't care what the RNLI go I do not support them any more Do you Johny | |||
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"Is it time to close all boarders now and end Global migration. So we can clear the backlog before letting any more in. Just say no. Grant them all right to stay, them watch the international corporations set up in the UK with the promise of cheap labour.
I'm with you let them all stay kick them on the street with £2000 and tel them to sort them self out.
Why are we housing people if they want to come let them but don't give so much.
Yes diferant for children but we have now created a system where if you get yo the UK you get a roof and food free at a decent standard.
But vetrans and others get nothing.
Do you think if we treated asylum seekers worse than we do, that somehow the government would start treating ex service personnel better?
Why can't we do both?
So why can't we help everyone. Stop over crowding in social housing. Give everyone that needs a home have one guess while we are at it put everyone on benifit so nobody is a sl*ve to a mortgage or have to work to by food. Get everyone on waiting lists for operations sorted next week. You have to be realistic.
The UK dose not have the land or infrastructure to house what it has let alone growing in number. Woodland is now 6% of what it was 100 years ago when population was 32 million people we are now at 67 million so with that growth we need a new city about the size of Liverpool every year. The penny dose not fit the slot.
Erm. Just talking about asylum seekers and ex service personnel.
People always seem to think it's some kind of choice.
Spoiler alert. The government doesn't give a fuck about either British or foreign poor people. If we were harsher to people arriving here seeking refuge, they wouldn't suddenly start helping anyone else.
I despair.... £8 billion on housing and feeding people who arrive here illegally.
£188 billion on NHS, approx £345K a minute, every minute of the the year!
Foreign aid budget for 2024 is £8.4 billion. £231 billion a year on benefits.
What is your view now? Will you still preach the same mantra or can you see what you said is incorrect?
What point are these figures demonstrating?
What do you think?
I think you're trying to divert the point away from discussing the other chaps assertion that we don't help ex service personnel because we help asylum seekers instead.
No I said why are asylum seekers helped more than oure own homeless.
I sure lots of homeless would love a hotel room and food. But lots can't even claim benifit as the are of no fixed address. And lots are sick and still get no help.
But turn up illegal and you get a roof over your head a 3 square meals a day.
Apparently there is going to be a legal battle about if migrants don't want to go on to the barge they can't be made homeless. There not homeless they have made them self homeless. Mack your self homeless in the UK the local council will not help you even if you land lord wants to sell you have to stay put until evicted.
Yes, so do you think if we stop helping asylum seekers, we will suddenly start helping homeless people?
I would like to think there would be more local money available to help, over crowding in social housing, people in temporary housing, and the homeless that is just the stat of the social housing problems. Have you ever seen 6 people in a 2 bed house? But people fleeing persecution an danger don't want to shear a room for 4, must be better then where thay have come from.
I'll go back to give them £2k start a NI number and let them get on with it find a home work etc. We give so much they don't want to stay in France.
I am suggesting that these things are unrelated. We could help homeless people now. But choose not to.
Helping asylum seekers or not, is completely unrelated.
What help would you suggest that’s being not being chosen?
The point I was referring to was "But vetrans and others get nothing."
So we could choose to give them something.
You could treat them equally by giving the homeless the same benefits as asylum seekers or alternatively give asylum seekers the same benefits as the homeless. Either way one should not get more than the other
Help them both surely.
All of them or 50 - 50
All of them whom it's appropriate to help.
No help them all even people coming from America that don't have heath insurance let them come use the NHS then give them a home and benifits.
Fu*k I might get a boot tomorrow as I can't get a GP appointment but I would get to see one when landing at Dover.
Not really sure I understand this point. Can you rephrase?"When migrants enter the process at Dover they all get to see a GP and a mental health service. I can't get to see a GP anymore so it could be a quick way to see one out of hastings on a boat and back in to Dover call the RNLI and they will pick me up for free and get a good check up. Have you tried to see a GP of late | |||
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"Were we to adopt such a policy it would stop companies relying on cheap foreign labour" True, and the added benefit is that they will then have to raise the salaries of domestic workers, who are struggling on their wages as it is. I'm happy to pay more for the food we eat and products in the shops, and services to account for the wage uplift if it means better salaries for employees. All exploiting overseas workers really meant was more profit for the companies themselves. However, if you prefer lower prices then yes overseas staff when we were in the EU was a benefit. Personally, I'd sooner have higher prices AND freedom of movement, as regardless of the employment source, workers need better pay. On the other hand, poaching other countries staff (whose own taxpayers have funded some or part of their qualifications) is a skill drain on them at their expense. Tricky one. | |||
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"Is it time to close all boarders now and end Global migration. So we can clear the backlog before letting any more in. Just say no. Grant them all right to stay, them watch the international corporations set up in the UK with the promise of cheap labour.
I'm with you let them all stay kick them on the street with £2000 and tel them to sort them self out.
Why are we housing people if they want to come let them but don't give so much.
Yes diferant for children but we have now created a system where if you get yo the UK you get a roof and food free at a decent standard.
But vetrans and others get nothing.
Do you think if we treated asylum seekers worse than we do, that somehow the government would start treating ex service personnel better?
Why can't we do both?
So why can't we help everyone. Stop over crowding in social housing. Give everyone that needs a home have one guess while we are at it put everyone on benifit so nobody is a sl*ve to a mortgage or have to work to by food. Get everyone on waiting lists for operations sorted next week. You have to be realistic.
The UK dose not have the land or infrastructure to house what it has let alone growing in number. Woodland is now 6% of what it was 100 years ago when population was 32 million people we are now at 67 million so with that growth we need a new city about the size of Liverpool every year. The penny dose not fit the slot.
Erm. Just talking about asylum seekers and ex service personnel.
People always seem to think it's some kind of choice.
Spoiler alert. The government doesn't give a fuck about either British or foreign poor people. If we were harsher to people arriving here seeking refuge, they wouldn't suddenly start helping anyone else.
I despair.... £8 billion on housing and feeding people who arrive here illegally.
£188 billion on NHS, approx £345K a minute, every minute of the the year!
Foreign aid budget for 2024 is £8.4 billion. £231 billion a year on benefits.
What is your view now? Will you still preach the same mantra or can you see what you said is incorrect?
What point are these figures demonstrating?
What do you think?
I think you're trying to divert the point away from discussing the other chaps assertion that we don't help ex service personnel because we help asylum seekers instead.
No I said why are asylum seekers helped more than oure own homeless.
I sure lots of homeless would love a hotel room and food. But lots can't even claim benifit as the are of no fixed address. And lots are sick and still get no help.
But turn up illegal and you get a roof over your head a 3 square meals a day.
Apparently there is going to be a legal battle about if migrants don't want to go on to the barge they can't be made homeless. There not homeless they have made them self homeless. Mack your self homeless in the UK the local council will not help you even if you land lord wants to sell you have to stay put until evicted.
Yes, so do you think if we stop helping asylum seekers, we will suddenly start helping homeless people?
I would like to think there would be more local money available to help, over crowding in social housing, people in temporary housing, and the homeless that is just the stat of the social housing problems. Have you ever seen 6 people in a 2 bed house? But people fleeing persecution an danger don't want to shear a room for 4, must be better then where thay have come from.
I'll go back to give them £2k start a NI number and let them get on with it find a home work etc. We give so much they don't want to stay in France.
I am suggesting that these things are unrelated. We could help homeless people now. But choose not to.
Helping asylum seekers or not, is completely unrelated.
Have you tried to get a council house one property I was at today was a 2 bed flat MUM and 4 boys she is closed as band C in the waiting list for a larger property.
Since Thatcher introduced the right to buy there has been a broken housing system. And housing associations don't help they just want the rent paid for poor service.
Got you. I'm arguing that this is unrelated to the treatment of asylum seekers.
Sorry I don't play tag like a child got you your it.
If the UK is spending money on illegal migrants it should stop.
I live in a costal town and have stopped my support for the RNLI as they keep rescuing illegal migrants. So people like you need to support ti's kind of charity if you want it to carry on helping illegal migrants.
So if a homeless person gets in a small boat padels out to see and gets rescueed will they get the same support as foreign migrants?
Do you think the government will suddenly start helping homeless people if we stop helping asylum seekers?
Would you prefer the RNLI to do a passport check on drowning people before saving them?
Am at a point I don't care what the RNLI go I do not support them any more Do you Johny"Yes. I support the RNLI, saving lives at sea is a noble cause. I don't think they should choose who lives and who dies based on someone's nationality. Do you think the government will suddenly start helping homeless people if we stop helping asylum seekers? | |||
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"Is it time to close all boarders now and end Global migration. So we can clear the backlog before letting any more in. Just say no. Grant them all right to stay, them watch the international corporations set up in the UK with the promise of cheap labour.
I'm with you let them all stay kick them on the street with £2000 and tel them to sort them self out.
Why are we housing people if they want to come let them but don't give so much.
Yes diferant for children but we have now created a system where if you get yo the UK you get a roof and food free at a decent standard.
But vetrans and others get nothing.
Do you think if we treated asylum seekers worse than we do, that somehow the government would start treating ex service personnel better?
Why can't we do both?
So why can't we help everyone. Stop over crowding in social housing. Give everyone that needs a home have one guess while we are at it put everyone on benifit so nobody is a sl*ve to a mortgage or have to work to by food. Get everyone on waiting lists for operations sorted next week. You have to be realistic.
The UK dose not have the land or infrastructure to house what it has let alone growing in number. Woodland is now 6% of what it was 100 years ago when population was 32 million people we are now at 67 million so with that growth we need a new city about the size of Liverpool every year. The penny dose not fit the slot.
Erm. Just talking about asylum seekers and ex service personnel.
People always seem to think it's some kind of choice.
Spoiler alert. The government doesn't give a fuck about either British or foreign poor people. If we were harsher to people arriving here seeking refuge, they wouldn't suddenly start helping anyone else.
I despair.... £8 billion on housing and feeding people who arrive here illegally.
£188 billion on NHS, approx £345K a minute, every minute of the the year!
Foreign aid budget for 2024 is £8.4 billion. £231 billion a year on benefits.
What is your view now? Will you still preach the same mantra or can you see what you said is incorrect?
What point are these figures demonstrating?
What do you think?
I think you're trying to divert the point away from discussing the other chaps assertion that we don't help ex service personnel because we help asylum seekers instead.
No I said why are asylum seekers helped more than oure own homeless.
I sure lots of homeless would love a hotel room and food. But lots can't even claim benifit as the are of no fixed address. And lots are sick and still get no help.
But turn up illegal and you get a roof over your head a 3 square meals a day.
Apparently there is going to be a legal battle about if migrants don't want to go on to the barge they can't be made homeless. There not homeless they have made them self homeless. Mack your self homeless in the UK the local council will not help you even if you land lord wants to sell you have to stay put until evicted.
Yes, so do you think if we stop helping asylum seekers, we will suddenly start helping homeless people?
I would like to think there would be more local money available to help, over crowding in social housing, people in temporary housing, and the homeless that is just the stat of the social housing problems. Have you ever seen 6 people in a 2 bed house? But people fleeing persecution an danger don't want to shear a room for 4, must be better then where thay have come from.
I'll go back to give them £2k start a NI number and let them get on with it find a home work etc. We give so much they don't want to stay in France.
I am suggesting that these things are unrelated. We could help homeless people now. But choose not to.
Helping asylum seekers or not, is completely unrelated.
What help would you suggest that’s being not being chosen?
The point I was referring to was "But vetrans and others get nothing."
So we could choose to give them something.
You could treat them equally by giving the homeless the same benefits as asylum seekers or alternatively give asylum seekers the same benefits as the homeless. Either way one should not get more than the other
Help them both surely.
All of them or 50 - 50
All of them whom it's appropriate to help.
No help them all even people coming from America that don't have heath insurance let them come use the NHS then give them a home and benifits.
Fu*k I might get a boot tomorrow as I can't get a GP appointment but I would get to see one when landing at Dover.
Not really sure I understand this point. Can you rephrase?
When migrants enter the process at Dover they all get to see a GP and a mental health service.
I can't get to see a GP anymore so it could be a quick way to see one out of hastings on a boat and back in to Dover call the RNLI and they will pick me up for free and get a good check up. Have you tried to see a GP of late "Yeah I made an appointment as normal. No issues. Do you have any evidence to suggest that your claim is true about asylum seekers getting priority appointments over people already resident in the UK? | |||
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"I live in a costal town and have stopped my support for the RNLI as they keep rescuing illegal migrants" You do realise the RNLI rescue anyone in distress at sea, right ? So cutting your support for them actually affects domestic nationals. God help you if you go out on a boat for some sightseeing in your local town. You've not really thought this through, have you ? | |||
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"Is it time to close all boarders now and end Global migration. So we can clear the backlog before letting any more in. Just say no. Grant them all right to stay, them watch the international corporations set up in the UK with the promise of cheap labour.
I'm with you let them all stay kick them on the street with £2000 and tel them to sort them self out.
Why are we housing people if they want to come let them but don't give so much.
Yes diferant for children but we have now created a system where if you get yo the UK you get a roof and food free at a decent standard.
But vetrans and others get nothing.
Do you think if we treated asylum seekers worse than we do, that somehow the government would start treating ex service personnel better?
Why can't we do both?
So why can't we help everyone. Stop over crowding in social housing. Give everyone that needs a home have one guess while we are at it put everyone on benifit so nobody is a sl*ve to a mortgage or have to work to by food. Get everyone on waiting lists for operations sorted next week. You have to be realistic.
The UK dose not have the land or infrastructure to house what it has let alone growing in number. Woodland is now 6% of what it was 100 years ago when population was 32 million people we are now at 67 million so with that growth we need a new city about the size of Liverpool every year. The penny dose not fit the slot.
Erm. Just talking about asylum seekers and ex service personnel.
People always seem to think it's some kind of choice.
Spoiler alert. The government doesn't give a fuck about either British or foreign poor people. If we were harsher to people arriving here seeking refuge, they wouldn't suddenly start helping anyone else.
I despair.... £8 billion on housing and feeding people who arrive here illegally.
£188 billion on NHS, approx £345K a minute, every minute of the the year!
Foreign aid budget for 2024 is £8.4 billion. £231 billion a year on benefits.
What is your view now? Will you still preach the same mantra or can you see what you said is incorrect?
What point are these figures demonstrating?
What do you think?
I think you're trying to divert the point away from discussing the other chaps assertion that we don't help ex service personnel because we help asylum seekers instead.
No I said why are asylum seekers helped more than oure own homeless.
I sure lots of homeless would love a hotel room and food. But lots can't even claim benifit as the are of no fixed address. And lots are sick and still get no help.
But turn up illegal and you get a roof over your head a 3 square meals a day.
Apparently there is going to be a legal battle about if migrants don't want to go on to the barge they can't be made homeless. There not homeless they have made them self homeless. Mack your self homeless in the UK the local council will not help you even if you land lord wants to sell you have to stay put until evicted.
Yes, so do you think if we stop helping asylum seekers, we will suddenly start helping homeless people?
I would like to think there would be more local money available to help, over crowding in social housing, people in temporary housing, and the homeless that is just the stat of the social housing problems. Have you ever seen 6 people in a 2 bed house? But people fleeing persecution an danger don't want to shear a room for 4, must be better then where thay have come from.
I'll go back to give them £2k start a NI number and let them get on with it find a home work etc. We give so much they don't want to stay in France.
I am suggesting that these things are unrelated. We could help homeless people now. But choose not to.
Helping asylum seekers or not, is completely unrelated.
What help would you suggest that’s being not being chosen?
The point I was referring to was "But vetrans and others get nothing."
So we could choose to give them something.
You could treat them equally by giving the homeless the same benefits as asylum seekers or alternatively give asylum seekers the same benefits as the homeless. Either way one should not get more than the other
Help them both surely.
All of them or 50 - 50
All of them whom it's appropriate to help.
No help them all even people coming from America that don't have heath insurance let them come use the NHS then give them a home and benifits.
Fu*k I might get a boot tomorrow as I can't get a GP appointment but I would get to see one when landing at Dover.
Not really sure I understand this point. Can you rephrase?
When migrants enter the process at Dover they all get to see a GP and a mental health service.
I can't get to see a GP anymore so it could be a quick way to see one out of hastings on a boat and back in to Dover call the RNLI and they will pick me up for free and get a good check up. Have you tried to see a GP of late
Yeah I made an appointment as normal. No issues.
Do you have any evidence to suggest that your claim is true about asylum seekers getting priority appointments over people already resident in the UK?"No but thay all get a check up when landing You are lucky if you can see a GP guess your not in the south. So do you support the RNLI how much do you give a month. | |||
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"I live in a costal town and have stopped my support for the RNLI as they keep rescuing illegal migrants You do realise the RNLI rescue anyone in distress at sea, right ? So cutting your support for them actually affects domestic nationals. God help you if you go out on a boat for some sightseeing in your local town. You've not really thought this through, have you ? " I know that and see the good work thay can do so do you give to them before criticism of me. I hope you will replace my funding. | |||
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"I know that and see the good work they can do so do you give to them before criticism of me. I hope you will replace my funding. " I donate monthly via direct debit to several charities already. Admittedly not the RNLI. Can I suggest you wear a life-jacket anywhere near water just in case, because the RNLI might be short a boat or crew that day due to reduced funding. | |||
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"Is it time to close all boarders now and end Global migration. So we can clear the backlog before letting any more in. Just say no. Grant them all right to stay, them watch the international corporations set up in the UK with the promise of cheap labour.
I'm with you let them all stay kick them on the street with £2000 and tel them to sort them self out.
Why are we housing people if they want to come let them but don't give so much.
Yes diferant for children but we have now created a system where if you get yo the UK you get a roof and food free at a decent standard.
But vetrans and others get nothing.
Do you think if we treated asylum seekers worse than we do, that somehow the government would start treating ex service personnel better?
Why can't we do both?
So why can't we help everyone. Stop over crowding in social housing. Give everyone that needs a home have one guess while we are at it put everyone on benifit so nobody is a sl*ve to a mortgage or have to work to by food. Get everyone on waiting lists for operations sorted next week. You have to be realistic.
The UK dose not have the land or infrastructure to house what it has let alone growing in number. Woodland is now 6% of what it was 100 years ago when population was 32 million people we are now at 67 million so with that growth we need a new city about the size of Liverpool every year. The penny dose not fit the slot.
Erm. Just talking about asylum seekers and ex service personnel.
People always seem to think it's some kind of choice.
Spoiler alert. The government doesn't give a fuck about either British or foreign poor people. If we were harsher to people arriving here seeking refuge, they wouldn't suddenly start helping anyone else.
I despair.... £8 billion on housing and feeding people who arrive here illegally.
£188 billion on NHS, approx £345K a minute, every minute of the the year!
Foreign aid budget for 2024 is £8.4 billion. £231 billion a year on benefits.
What is your view now? Will you still preach the same mantra or can you see what you said is incorrect?
What point are these figures demonstrating?
What do you think?
I think you're trying to divert the point away from discussing the other chaps assertion that we don't help ex service personnel because we help asylum seekers instead.
No I said why are asylum seekers helped more than oure own homeless.
I sure lots of homeless would love a hotel room and food. But lots can't even claim benifit as the are of no fixed address. And lots are sick and still get no help.
But turn up illegal and you get a roof over your head a 3 square meals a day.
Apparently there is going to be a legal battle about if migrants don't want to go on to the barge they can't be made homeless. There not homeless they have made them self homeless. Mack your self homeless in the UK the local council will not help you even if you land lord wants to sell you have to stay put until evicted.
Yes, so do you think if we stop helping asylum seekers, we will suddenly start helping homeless people?
I would like to think there would be more local money available to help, over crowding in social housing, people in temporary housing, and the homeless that is just the stat of the social housing problems. Have you ever seen 6 people in a 2 bed house? But people fleeing persecution an danger don't want to shear a room for 4, must be better then where thay have come from.
I'll go back to give them £2k start a NI number and let them get on with it find a home work etc. We give so much they don't want to stay in France.
I am suggesting that these things are unrelated. We could help homeless people now. But choose not to.
Helping asylum seekers or not, is completely unrelated.
What help would you suggest that’s being not being chosen?
The point I was referring to was "But vetrans and others get nothing."
So we could choose to give them something.
You could treat them equally by giving the homeless the same benefits as asylum seekers or alternatively give asylum seekers the same benefits as the homeless. Either way one should not get more than the other
Help them both surely.
All of them or 50 - 50
All of them whom it's appropriate to help.
No help them all even people coming from America that don't have heath insurance let them come use the NHS then give them a home and benifits.
Fu*k I might get a boot tomorrow as I can't get a GP appointment but I would get to see one when landing at Dover.
Not really sure I understand this point. Can you rephrase?
When migrants enter the process at Dover they all get to see a GP and a mental health service.
I can't get to see a GP anymore so it could be a quick way to see one out of hastings on a boat and back in to Dover call the RNLI and they will pick me up for free and get a good check up. Have you tried to see a GP of late
Yeah I made an appointment as normal. No issues.
Do you have any evidence to suggest that your claim is true about asylum seekers getting priority appointments over people already resident in the UK?"I have read through your replies and forgive me if I have got this wrong, but I seem to have missed you answering a direct question in this thread? Can you point me to your posts that you answered any questions posed, or better still answer the questions? Not an insult, not a personal attack as you often claim, it is a genuine attempt to understand your approach.. baiting or legit, I'm unsure | |||
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"I know that and see the good work they can do so do you give to them before criticism of me. I hope you will replace my funding. I donate monthly via direct debit to several charities already. Admittedly not the RNLI. Can I suggest you wear a life-jacket anywhere near water just in case, because the RNLI might be short a boat or crew that day due to reduced funding. " Have moved my month donation from RNLI to EMAUS how help the homeless so they are benifiting do others as well as I'm lucky and can afford it. So I guess if you live in Colchester you never go to the beach so will never need the RNLI And I hat the beach never go in the UK but 20 years ago though it was nice to support a charity as in a sea side town. And they need £220million a year to operate the CEO gets paid £160k a year so they will manage with out my £1200 a year bit. | |||
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"Is it time to close all boarders now and end Global migration. So we can clear the backlog before letting any more in. Just say no. Grant them all right to stay, them watch the international corporations set up in the UK with the promise of cheap labour.
I'm with you let them all stay kick them on the street with £2000 and tel them to sort them self out.
Why are we housing people if they want to come let them but don't give so much.
Yes diferant for children but we have now created a system where if you get yo the UK you get a roof and food free at a decent standard.
But vetrans and others get nothing.
Do you think if we treated asylum seekers worse than we do, that somehow the government would start treating ex service personnel better?
Why can't we do both?
So why can't we help everyone. Stop over crowding in social housing. Give everyone that needs a home have one guess while we are at it put everyone on benifit so nobody is a sl*ve to a mortgage or have to work to by food. Get everyone on waiting lists for operations sorted next week. You have to be realistic.
The UK dose not have the land or infrastructure to house what it has let alone growing in number. Woodland is now 6% of what it was 100 years ago when population was 32 million people we are now at 67 million so with that growth we need a new city about the size of Liverpool every year. The penny dose not fit the slot.
Erm. Just talking about asylum seekers and ex service personnel.
People always seem to think it's some kind of choice.
Spoiler alert. The government doesn't give a fuck about either British or foreign poor people. If we were harsher to people arriving here seeking refuge, they wouldn't suddenly start helping anyone else.
I despair.... £8 billion on housing and feeding people who arrive here illegally.
£188 billion on NHS, approx £345K a minute, every minute of the the year!
Foreign aid budget for 2024 is £8.4 billion. £231 billion a year on benefits.
What is your view now? Will you still preach the same mantra or can you see what you said is incorrect?
What point are these figures demonstrating?
What do you think?
I think you're trying to divert the point away from discussing the other chaps assertion that we don't help ex service personnel because we help asylum seekers instead.
No I said why are asylum seekers helped more than oure own homeless.
I sure lots of homeless would love a hotel room and food. But lots can't even claim benifit as the are of no fixed address. And lots are sick and still get no help.
But turn up illegal and you get a roof over your head a 3 square meals a day.
Apparently there is going to be a legal battle about if migrants don't want to go on to the barge they can't be made homeless. There not homeless they have made them self homeless. Mack your self homeless in the UK the local council will not help you even if you land lord wants to sell you have to stay put until evicted.
Yes, so do you think if we stop helping asylum seekers, we will suddenly start helping homeless people?
I would like to think there would be more local money available to help, over crowding in social housing, people in temporary housing, and the homeless that is just the stat of the social housing problems. Have you ever seen 6 people in a 2 bed house? But people fleeing persecution an danger don't want to shear a room for 4, must be better then where thay have come from.
I'll go back to give them £2k start a NI number and let them get on with it find a home work etc. We give so much they don't want to stay in France.
I am suggesting that these things are unrelated. We could help homeless people now. But choose not to.
Helping asylum seekers or not, is completely unrelated.
What help would you suggest that’s being not being chosen?
The point I was referring to was "But vetrans and others get nothing."
So we could choose to give them something.
You could treat them equally by giving the homeless the same benefits as asylum seekers or alternatively give asylum seekers the same benefits as the homeless. Either way one should not get more than the other
Help them both surely.
All of them or 50 - 50
All of them whom it's appropriate to help.
No help them all even people coming from America that don't have heath insurance let them come use the NHS then give them a home and benifits.
Fu*k I might get a boot tomorrow as I can't get a GP appointment but I would get to see one when landing at Dover.
Not really sure I understand this point. Can you rephrase?
When migrants enter the process at Dover they all get to see a GP and a mental health service.
I can't get to see a GP anymore so it could be a quick way to see one out of hastings on a boat and back in to Dover call the RNLI and they will pick me up for free and get a good check up. Have you tried to see a GP of late
Yeah I made an appointment as normal. No issues.
Do you have any evidence to suggest that your claim is true about asylum seekers getting priority appointments over people already resident in the UK?
I have read through your replies and forgive me if I have got this wrong, but I seem to have missed you answering a direct question in this thread?
Can you point me to your posts that you answered any questions posed, or better still answer the questions?
Not an insult, not a personal attack as you often claim, it is a genuine attempt to understand your approach.. baiting or legit, I'm unsure "I try to answer questions directly but as working some times find it hard to keep up it is close to 18.40pm | |||
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"I know that and see the good work they can do so do you give to them before criticism of me. I hope you will replace my funding. I donate monthly via direct debit to several charities already. Admittedly not the RNLI. Can I suggest you wear a life-jacket anywhere near water just in case, because the RNLI might be short a boat or crew that day due to reduced funding. " Is that how donations to charities work, don't donate and cross your fingers you don't need them? The way you put that sounds like a sinister threat.... | |||
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"Is it time to close all boarders now and end Global migration. So we can clear the backlog before letting any more in. Just say no. Grant them all right to stay, them watch the international corporations set up in the UK with the promise of cheap labour.
I'm with you let them all stay kick them on the street with £2000 and tel them to sort them self out.
Why are we housing people if they want to come let them but don't give so much.
Yes diferant for children but we have now created a system where if you get yo the UK you get a roof and food free at a decent standard.
But vetrans and others get nothing.
Do you think if we treated asylum seekers worse than we do, that somehow the government would start treating ex service personnel better?
Why can't we do both?
So why can't we help everyone. Stop over crowding in social housing. Give everyone that needs a home have one guess while we are at it put everyone on benifit so nobody is a sl*ve to a mortgage or have to work to by food. Get everyone on waiting lists for operations sorted next week. You have to be realistic.
The UK dose not have the land or infrastructure to house what it has let alone growing in number. Woodland is now 6% of what it was 100 years ago when population was 32 million people we are now at 67 million so with that growth we need a new city about the size of Liverpool every year. The penny dose not fit the slot.
Erm. Just talking about asylum seekers and ex service personnel.
People always seem to think it's some kind of choice.
Spoiler alert. The government doesn't give a fuck about either British or foreign poor people. If we were harsher to people arriving here seeking refuge, they wouldn't suddenly start helping anyone else.
I despair.... £8 billion on housing and feeding people who arrive here illegally.
£188 billion on NHS, approx £345K a minute, every minute of the the year!
Foreign aid budget for 2024 is £8.4 billion. £231 billion a year on benefits.
What is your view now? Will you still preach the same mantra or can you see what you said is incorrect?
What point are these figures demonstrating?
What do you think?
I think you're trying to divert the point away from discussing the other chaps assertion that we don't help ex service personnel because we help asylum seekers instead.
No I said why are asylum seekers helped more than oure own homeless.
I sure lots of homeless would love a hotel room and food. But lots can't even claim benifit as the are of no fixed address. And lots are sick and still get no help.
But turn up illegal and you get a roof over your head a 3 square meals a day.
Apparently there is going to be a legal battle about if migrants don't want to go on to the barge they can't be made homeless. There not homeless they have made them self homeless. Mack your self homeless in the UK the local council will not help you even if you land lord wants to sell you have to stay put until evicted.
Yes, so do you think if we stop helping asylum seekers, we will suddenly start helping homeless people?
I would like to think there would be more local money available to help, over crowding in social housing, people in temporary housing, and the homeless that is just the stat of the social housing problems. Have you ever seen 6 people in a 2 bed house? But people fleeing persecution an danger don't want to shear a room for 4, must be better then where thay have come from.
I'll go back to give them £2k start a NI number and let them get on with it find a home work etc. We give so much they don't want to stay in France.
I am suggesting that these things are unrelated. We could help homeless people now. But choose not to.
Helping asylum seekers or not, is completely unrelated.
What help would you suggest that’s being not being chosen?
The point I was referring to was "But vetrans and others get nothing."
So we could choose to give them something.
You could treat them equally by giving the homeless the same benefits as asylum seekers or alternatively give asylum seekers the same benefits as the homeless. Either way one should not get more than the other
Help them both surely.
All of them or 50 - 50
All of them whom it's appropriate to help.
No help them all even people coming from America that don't have heath insurance let them come use the NHS then give them a home and benifits.
Fu*k I might get a boot tomorrow as I can't get a GP appointment but I would get to see one when landing at Dover.
Not really sure I understand this point. Can you rephrase?
When migrants enter the process at Dover they all get to see a GP and a mental health service.
I can't get to see a GP anymore so it could be a quick way to see one out of hastings on a boat and back in to Dover call the RNLI and they will pick me up for free and get a good check up. Have you tried to see a GP of late
Yeah I made an appointment as normal. No issues.
Do you have any evidence to suggest that your claim is true about asylum seekers getting priority appointments over people already resident in the UK?
I have read through your replies and forgive me if I have got this wrong, but I seem to have missed you answering a direct question in this thread?
Can you point me to your posts that you answered any questions posed, or better still answer the questions?
Not an insult, not a personal attack as you often claim, it is a genuine attempt to understand your approach.. baiting or legit, I'm unsure "Was there a persific question. | |||
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"Is it time to close all boarders now and end Global migration. So we can clear the backlog before letting any more in. Just say no. Grant them all right to stay, them watch the international corporations set up in the UK with the promise of cheap labour.
I'm with you let them all stay kick them on the street with £2000 and tel them to sort them self out.
Why are we housing people if they want to come let them but don't give so much.
Yes diferant for children but we have now created a system where if you get yo the UK you get a roof and food free at a decent standard.
But vetrans and others get nothing.
Do you think if we treated asylum seekers worse than we do, that somehow the government would start treating ex service personnel better?
Why can't we do both?
So why can't we help everyone. Stop over crowding in social housing. Give everyone that needs a home have one guess while we are at it put everyone on benifit so nobody is a sl*ve to a mortgage or have to work to by food. Get everyone on waiting lists for operations sorted next week. You have to be realistic.
The UK dose not have the land or infrastructure to house what it has let alone growing in number. Woodland is now 6% of what it was 100 years ago when population was 32 million people we are now at 67 million so with that growth we need a new city about the size of Liverpool every year. The penny dose not fit the slot.
Erm. Just talking about asylum seekers and ex service personnel.
People always seem to think it's some kind of choice.
Spoiler alert. The government doesn't give a fuck about either British or foreign poor people. If we were harsher to people arriving here seeking refuge, they wouldn't suddenly start helping anyone else.
I despair.... £8 billion on housing and feeding people who arrive here illegally.
£188 billion on NHS, approx £345K a minute, every minute of the the year!
Foreign aid budget for 2024 is £8.4 billion. £231 billion a year on benefits.
What is your view now? Will you still preach the same mantra or can you see what you said is incorrect?
What point are these figures demonstrating?
What do you think?
I think you're trying to divert the point away from discussing the other chaps assertion that we don't help ex service personnel because we help asylum seekers instead.
No I said why are asylum seekers helped more than oure own homeless.
I sure lots of homeless would love a hotel room and food. But lots can't even claim benifit as the are of no fixed address. And lots are sick and still get no help.
But turn up illegal and you get a roof over your head a 3 square meals a day.
Apparently there is going to be a legal battle about if migrants don't want to go on to the barge they can't be made homeless. There not homeless they have made them self homeless. Mack your self homeless in the UK the local council will not help you even if you land lord wants to sell you have to stay put until evicted.
Yes, so do you think if we stop helping asylum seekers, we will suddenly start helping homeless people?
I would like to think there would be more local money available to help, over crowding in social housing, people in temporary housing, and the homeless that is just the stat of the social housing problems. Have you ever seen 6 people in a 2 bed house? But people fleeing persecution an danger don't want to shear a room for 4, must be better then where thay have come from.
I'll go back to give them £2k start a NI number and let them get on with it find a home work etc. We give so much they don't want to stay in France.
I am suggesting that these things are unrelated. We could help homeless people now. But choose not to.
Helping asylum seekers or not, is completely unrelated.
What help would you suggest that’s being not being chosen?
The point I was referring to was "But vetrans and others get nothing."
So we could choose to give them something.
You could treat them equally by giving the homeless the same benefits as asylum seekers or alternatively give asylum seekers the same benefits as the homeless. Either way one should not get more than the other
Help them both surely.
All of them or 50 - 50
All of them whom it's appropriate to help.
No help them all even people coming from America that don't have heath insurance let them come use the NHS then give them a home and benifits.
Fu*k I might get a boot tomorrow as I can't get a GP appointment but I would get to see one when landing at Dover.
Not really sure I understand this point. Can you rephrase?
When migrants enter the process at Dover they all get to see a GP and a mental health service.
I can't get to see a GP anymore so it could be a quick way to see one out of hastings on a boat and back in to Dover call the RNLI and they will pick me up for free and get a good check up. Have you tried to see a GP of late
Yeah I made an appointment as normal. No issues.
Do you have any evidence to suggest that your claim is true about asylum seekers getting priority appointments over people already resident in the UK?
I have read through your replies and forgive me if I have got this wrong, but I seem to have missed you answering a direct question in this thread?
Can you point me to your posts that you answered any questions posed, or better still answer the questions?
Not an insult, not a personal attack as you often claim, it is a genuine attempt to understand your approach.. baiting or legit, I'm unsure
I try to answer questions directly but as working some times find it hard to keep up it is close to 18.40pm"My post was not directed towards you | |||
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"I know that and see the good work they can do so do you give to them before criticism of me. I hope you will replace my funding. I donate monthly via direct debit to several charities already. Admittedly not the RNLI. Can I suggest you wear a life-jacket anywhere near water just in case, because the RNLI might be short a boat or crew that day due to reduced funding. Is that how donations to charities work, don't donate and cross your fingers you don't need them? The way you put that sounds like a sinister threat.... " No donate where you think you money is doing the best work. As stated did not help when looking at there figers the CEO gets paid £160k a year and they are spending as much on fule now to retrieve migrants just in UK water then the rest of the operation. Funny how the small boat was OK in the same part of the sea until it was in UK water. If it was no safe why not call SNSM the French service ? Just find it strange that you would wate say another hour till in UK water so its a UK job not French SNSM how buy the way will shadow small boats in to UK water. Get a shipping app and watch it. | |||
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"Is that how donations to charities work, don't donate and cross your fingers you don't need them? The way you put that sounds like a sinister threat.... " The point being, the poster is cutting off their nose to spite their face. And not just theirs. Other nationals as well. I won't be advising my extended family take their boat down to Hastings any time soon, because if they get in to trouble and help is not forthcoming due to funding issues, I might have a clue why. To be fair, in all good conscience I'm not I'd recommend anyone visit the place as I hear it's not very nice. | |||
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"Is that how donations to charities work, don't donate and cross your fingers you don't need them? The way you put that sounds like a sinister threat.... The point being, the poster is cutting off their nose to spite their face. And not just theirs. Other nationals as well. I won't be advising my extended family take their boat down to Hastings any time soon, because if they get in to trouble and help is not forthcoming due to funding issues, I might have a clue why. To be fair, in all good conscience I'm not I'd recommend anyone visit the place as I hear it's not very nice." No it's a sh1t hole like hear in New York full of buggers. Homeless d*unks. | |||
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"Is that how donations to charities work, don't donate and cross your fingers you don't need them? The way you put that sounds like a sinister threat.... The point being, the poster is cutting off their nose to spite their face. And not just theirs. Other nationals as well. I won't be advising my extended family take their boat down to Hastings any time soon, because if they get in to trouble and help is not forthcoming due to funding issues, I might have a clue why. To be fair, in all good conscience I'm not I'd recommend anyone visit the place as I hear it's not very nice." You are on one here... What do you know about the RNLI? Do they pay the brave people who go out on the boats? Do they encourage the same people to raise more money for the RNLI? The RNLI needs to be scrapped and real funding should be provided is my opinion. To your last point ref Hastings, hearing it isn't not very nice, is what you would call in good conscience when you put it down... poor show | |||
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"No it's a sh1t hole like hear in New York full of buggers. Homeless d*unks." To be fair, I can't think of any cities that don't have their fair share of social ills and misfortunes. The Great Gatsby illustrated it well, in 1925. | |||
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"Is it time to close all boarders now and end Global migration. So we can clear the backlog before letting any more in. Just say no. Grant them all right to stay, them watch the international corporations set up in the UK with the promise of cheap labour.
I'm with you let them all stay kick them on the street with £2000 and tel them to sort them self out.
Why are we housing people if they want to come let them but don't give so much.
Yes diferant for children but we have now created a system where if you get yo the UK you get a roof and food free at a decent standard.
But vetrans and others get nothing.
Do you think if we treated asylum seekers worse than we do, that somehow the government would start treating ex service personnel better?
Why can't we do both?
So why can't we help everyone. Stop over crowding in social housing. Give everyone that needs a home have one guess while we are at it put everyone on benifit so nobody is a sl*ve to a mortgage or have to work to by food. Get everyone on waiting lists for operations sorted next week. You have to be realistic.
The UK dose not have the land or infrastructure to house what it has let alone growing in number. Woodland is now 6% of what it was 100 years ago when population was 32 million people we are now at 67 million so with that growth we need a new city about the size of Liverpool every year. The penny dose not fit the slot.
Erm. Just talking about asylum seekers and ex service personnel.
People always seem to think it's some kind of choice.
Spoiler alert. The government doesn't give a fuck about either British or foreign poor people. If we were harsher to people arriving here seeking refuge, they wouldn't suddenly start helping anyone else.
I despair.... £8 billion on housing and feeding people who arrive here illegally.
£188 billion on NHS, approx £345K a minute, every minute of the the year!
Foreign aid budget for 2024 is £8.4 billion. £231 billion a year on benefits.
What is your view now? Will you still preach the same mantra or can you see what you said is incorrect?
What point are these figures demonstrating?
What do you think?
I think you're trying to divert the point away from discussing the other chaps assertion that we don't help ex service personnel because we help asylum seekers instead.
No I said why are asylum seekers helped more than oure own homeless.
I sure lots of homeless would love a hotel room and food. But lots can't even claim benifit as the are of no fixed address. And lots are sick and still get no help.
But turn up illegal and you get a roof over your head a 3 square meals a day.
Apparently there is going to be a legal battle about if migrants don't want to go on to the barge they can't be made homeless. There not homeless they have made them self homeless. Mack your self homeless in the UK the local council will not help you even if you land lord wants to sell you have to stay put until evicted.
Yes, so do you think if we stop helping asylum seekers, we will suddenly start helping homeless people?
I would like to think there would be more local money available to help, over crowding in social housing, people in temporary housing, and the homeless that is just the stat of the social housing problems. Have you ever seen 6 people in a 2 bed house? But people fleeing persecution an danger don't want to shear a room for 4, must be better then where thay have come from.
I'll go back to give them £2k start a NI number and let them get on with it find a home work etc. We give so much they don't want to stay in France.
I am suggesting that these things are unrelated. We could help homeless people now. But choose not to.
Helping asylum seekers or not, is completely unrelated.
What help would you suggest that’s being not being chosen?
The point I was referring to was "But vetrans and others get nothing."
So we could choose to give them something.
You could treat them equally by giving the homeless the same benefits as asylum seekers or alternatively give asylum seekers the same benefits as the homeless. Either way one should not get more than the other
Help them both surely.
All of them or 50 - 50
All of them whom it's appropriate to help.
No help them all even people coming from America that don't have heath insurance let them come use the NHS then give them a home and benifits.
Fu*k I might get a boot tomorrow as I can't get a GP appointment but I would get to see one when landing at Dover.
Not really sure I understand this point. Can you rephrase?
When migrants enter the process at Dover they all get to see a GP and a mental health service.
I can't get to see a GP anymore so it could be a quick way to see one out of hastings on a boat and back in to Dover call the RNLI and they will pick me up for free and get a good check up. Have you tried to see a GP of late
Yeah I made an appointment as normal. No issues.
Do you have any evidence to suggest that your claim is true about asylum seekers getting priority appointments over people already resident in the UK?
No but thay all get a check up when landing
You are lucky if you can see a GP guess your not in the south.
So do you support the RNLI how much do you give a month. "I live in the south of England. I don't want to give out financial details of any kind on here. Would the amount I give to the RNLI each month affect your opinions on asylum seekers somehow being related to government inaction on our homeless problem? | |||
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"Just on this RNLI thing...do people (or a person) really think it is humane to just let people drown? I mean, regardless of why they are in a boat of some kind. Should we just allow them to die and say “well it was their choice to get in the boat!” Fuck me what a shit world we live in!!!! BTW pretty certain it is maritime law that any ship/boat is required to go to the aid of another in trouble. And we are an island race and maritime nation! Give your head a wobble!" You are right but if you where on such a boat in trouble would you call SNSM for help ASAP or wait till in UK water? Why the wait WHY.. | |||
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"Is it time to close all boarders now and end Global migration. So we can clear the backlog before letting any more in. Just say no. Grant them all right to stay, them watch the international corporations set up in the UK with the promise of cheap labour.
I'm with you let them all stay kick them on the street with £2000 and tel them to sort them self out.
Why are we housing people if they want to come let them but don't give so much.
Yes diferant for children but we have now created a system where if you get yo the UK you get a roof and food free at a decent standard.
But vetrans and others get nothing.
Do you think if we treated asylum seekers worse than we do, that somehow the government would start treating ex service personnel better?
Why can't we do both?
So why can't we help everyone. Stop over crowding in social housing. Give everyone that needs a home have one guess while we are at it put everyone on benifit so nobody is a sl*ve to a mortgage or have to work to by food. Get everyone on waiting lists for operations sorted next week. You have to be realistic.
The UK dose not have the land or infrastructure to house what it has let alone growing in number. Woodland is now 6% of what it was 100 years ago when population was 32 million people we are now at 67 million so with that growth we need a new city about the size of Liverpool every year. The penny dose not fit the slot.
Erm. Just talking about asylum seekers and ex service personnel.
People always seem to think it's some kind of choice.
Spoiler alert. The government doesn't give a fuck about either British or foreign poor people. If we were harsher to people arriving here seeking refuge, they wouldn't suddenly start helping anyone else.
I despair.... £8 billion on housing and feeding people who arrive here illegally.
£188 billion on NHS, approx £345K a minute, every minute of the the year!
Foreign aid budget for 2024 is £8.4 billion. £231 billion a year on benefits.
What is your view now? Will you still preach the same mantra or can you see what you said is incorrect?
What point are these figures demonstrating?
What do you think?
I think you're trying to divert the point away from discussing the other chaps assertion that we don't help ex service personnel because we help asylum seekers instead.
No I said why are asylum seekers helped more than oure own homeless.
I sure lots of homeless would love a hotel room and food. But lots can't even claim benifit as the are of no fixed address. And lots are sick and still get no help.
But turn up illegal and you get a roof over your head a 3 square meals a day.
Apparently there is going to be a legal battle about if migrants don't want to go on to the barge they can't be made homeless. There not homeless they have made them self homeless. Mack your self homeless in the UK the local council will not help you even if you land lord wants to sell you have to stay put until evicted.
Yes, so do you think if we stop helping asylum seekers, we will suddenly start helping homeless people?
I would like to think there would be more local money available to help, over crowding in social housing, people in temporary housing, and the homeless that is just the stat of the social housing problems. Have you ever seen 6 people in a 2 bed house? But people fleeing persecution an danger don't want to shear a room for 4, must be better then where thay have come from.
I'll go back to give them £2k start a NI number and let them get on with it find a home work etc. We give so much they don't want to stay in France.
I am suggesting that these things are unrelated. We could help homeless people now. But choose not to.
Helping asylum seekers or not, is completely unrelated.
What help would you suggest that’s being not being chosen?
The point I was referring to was "But vetrans and others get nothing."
So we could choose to give them something.
You could treat them equally by giving the homeless the same benefits as asylum seekers or alternatively give asylum seekers the same benefits as the homeless. Either way one should not get more than the other
Help them both surely.
All of them or 50 - 50
All of them whom it's appropriate to help.
No help them all even people coming from America that don't have heath insurance let them come use the NHS then give them a home and benifits.
Fu*k I might get a boot tomorrow as I can't get a GP appointment but I would get to see one when landing at Dover.
Not really sure I understand this point. Can you rephrase?
When migrants enter the process at Dover they all get to see a GP and a mental health service.
I can't get to see a GP anymore so it could be a quick way to see one out of hastings on a boat and back in to Dover call the RNLI and they will pick me up for free and get a good check up. Have you tried to see a GP of late
Yeah I made an appointment as normal. No issues.
Do you have any evidence to suggest that your claim is true about asylum seekers getting priority appointments over people already resident in the UK?
I have read through your replies and forgive me if I have got this wrong, but I seem to have missed you answering a direct question in this thread?
Can you point me to your posts that you answered any questions posed, or better still answer the questions?
Not an insult, not a personal attack as you often claim, it is a genuine attempt to understand your approach.. baiting or legit, I'm unsure "What are you on about personal attacks for? I've never suggested that you have personally attacked me. I've answered several questions about the RNLI and some other bits and pieces. What else would you like to know? If you could provide some context for the questions too, sometimes you ask me things that don't seem related to the topic. | |||
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"Just on this RNLI thing...do people (or a person) really think it is humane to just let people drown? I mean, regardless of why they are in a boat of some kind. Should we just allow them to die and say “well it was their choice to get in the boat!” Fuck me what a shit world we live in!!!! BTW pretty certain it is maritime law that any ship/boat is required to go to the aid of another in trouble. And we are an island race and maritime nation! Give your head a wobble! You are right but if you where on such a boat in trouble would you call SNSM for help ASAP or wait till in UK water? Why the wait WHY.. " Sounds to me like you are trying to justify letting people drowned? From my limited understanding boats develop problems as the journey progresses and their seaworthiness is challenged by conditions (that hasty/dodgy repair to the hull gives way etc). If the boats were heading in the other direction they may well get into trouble nearer France and call them? | |||
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"Is it time to close all boarders now and end Global migration. So we can clear the backlog before letting any more in. Just say no. Grant them all right to stay, them watch the international corporations set up in the UK with the promise of cheap labour.
I'm with you let them all stay kick them on the street with £2000 and tel them to sort them self out.
Why are we housing people if they want to come let them but don't give so much.
Yes diferant for children but we have now created a system where if you get yo the UK you get a roof and food free at a decent standard.
But vetrans and others get nothing.
Do you think if we treated asylum seekers worse than we do, that somehow the government would start treating ex service personnel better?
Why can't we do both?
So why can't we help everyone. Stop over crowding in social housing. Give everyone that needs a home have one guess while we are at it put everyone on benifit so nobody is a sl*ve to a mortgage or have to work to by food. Get everyone on waiting lists for operations sorted next week. You have to be realistic.
The UK dose not have the land or infrastructure to house what it has let alone growing in number. Woodland is now 6% of what it was 100 years ago when population was 32 million people we are now at 67 million so with that growth we need a new city about the size of Liverpool every year. The penny dose not fit the slot.
Erm. Just talking about asylum seekers and ex service personnel.
People always seem to think it's some kind of choice.
Spoiler alert. The government doesn't give a fuck about either British or foreign poor people. If we were harsher to people arriving here seeking refuge, they wouldn't suddenly start helping anyone else.
I despair.... £8 billion on housing and feeding people who arrive here illegally.
£188 billion on NHS, approx £345K a minute, every minute of the the year!
Foreign aid budget for 2024 is £8.4 billion. £231 billion a year on benefits.
What is your view now? Will you still preach the same mantra or can you see what you said is incorrect?
What point are these figures demonstrating?
What do you think?
I think you're trying to divert the point away from discussing the other chaps assertion that we don't help ex service personnel because we help asylum seekers instead.
No I said why are asylum seekers helped more than oure own homeless.
I sure lots of homeless would love a hotel room and food. But lots can't even claim benifit as the are of no fixed address. And lots are sick and still get no help.
But turn up illegal and you get a roof over your head a 3 square meals a day.
Apparently there is going to be a legal battle about if migrants don't want to go on to the barge they can't be made homeless. There not homeless they have made them self homeless. Mack your self homeless in the UK the local council will not help you even if you land lord wants to sell you have to stay put until evicted.
Yes, so do you think if we stop helping asylum seekers, we will suddenly start helping homeless people?
I would like to think there would be more local money available to help, over crowding in social housing, people in temporary housing, and the homeless that is just the stat of the social housing problems. Have you ever seen 6 people in a 2 bed house? But people fleeing persecution an danger don't want to shear a room for 4, must be better then where thay have come from.
I'll go back to give them £2k start a NI number and let them get on with it find a home work etc. We give so much they don't want to stay in France.
I am suggesting that these things are unrelated. We could help homeless people now. But choose not to.
Helping asylum seekers or not, is completely unrelated.
What help would you suggest that’s being not being chosen?
The point I was referring to was "But vetrans and others get nothing."
So we could choose to give them something.
You could treat them equally by giving the homeless the same benefits as asylum seekers or alternatively give asylum seekers the same benefits as the homeless. Either way one should not get more than the other
Help them both surely.
All of them or 50 - 50
All of them whom it's appropriate to help.
No help them all even people coming from America that don't have heath insurance let them come use the NHS then give them a home and benifits.
Fu*k I might get a boot tomorrow as I can't get a GP appointment but I would get to see one when landing at Dover.
Not really sure I understand this point. Can you rephrase?
When migrants enter the process at Dover they all get to see a GP and a mental health service.
I can't get to see a GP anymore so it could be a quick way to see one out of hastings on a boat and back in to Dover call the RNLI and they will pick me up for free and get a good check up. Have you tried to see a GP of late
Yeah I made an appointment as normal. No issues.
Do you have any evidence to suggest that your claim is true about asylum seekers getting priority appointments over people already resident in the UK?
No but thay all get a check up when landing
You are lucky if you can see a GP guess your not in the south.
So do you support the RNLI how much do you give a month.
I live in the south of England.
I don't want to give out financial details of any kind on here. Would the amount I give to the RNLI each month affect your opinions on asylum seekers somehow being related to government inaction on our homeless problem?"Probably not but I have voted with my feet my head and my wallet. My choice I guess. But again I ask all of you why would a boat in trouble wait or dose it cross a line then get into trouble. Would the people of this forum get in such a boat with so meany knowing the danger. NO unless there was a good reason a land of plenty. | |||
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" You are on one here... What do you know about the RNLI? Do they pay the brave people who go out on the boats? Do they encourage the same people to raise more money for the RNLI? The RNLI needs to be scrapped and real funding should be provided is my opinion. To your last point ref Hastings, hearing it isn't not very nice, is what you would call in good conscience when you put it down... poor show" Have you been drinking ? It's ok to admit you have been drinking, I won't judge. But please make sure you hydrate well before you retire for the evening. | |||
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"Is it time to close all boarders now and end Global migration. So we can clear the backlog before letting any more in. Just say no. Grant them all right to stay, them watch the international corporations set up in the UK with the promise of cheap labour.
I'm with you let them all stay kick them on the street with £2000 and tel them to sort them self out.
Why are we housing people if they want to come let them but don't give so much.
Yes diferant for children but we have now created a system where if you get yo the UK you get a roof and food free at a decent standard.
But vetrans and others get nothing.
Do you think if we treated asylum seekers worse than we do, that somehow the government would start treating ex service personnel better?
Why can't we do both?
So why can't we help everyone. Stop over crowding in social housing. Give everyone that needs a home have one guess while we are at it put everyone on benifit so nobody is a sl*ve to a mortgage or have to work to by food. Get everyone on waiting lists for operations sorted next week. You have to be realistic.
The UK dose not have the land or infrastructure to house what it has let alone growing in number. Woodland is now 6% of what it was 100 years ago when population was 32 million people we are now at 67 million so with that growth we need a new city about the size of Liverpool every year. The penny dose not fit the slot.
Erm. Just talking about asylum seekers and ex service personnel.
People always seem to think it's some kind of choice.
Spoiler alert. The government doesn't give a fuck about either British or foreign poor people. If we were harsher to people arriving here seeking refuge, they wouldn't suddenly start helping anyone else.
I despair.... £8 billion on housing and feeding people who arrive here illegally.
£188 billion on NHS, approx £345K a minute, every minute of the the year!
Foreign aid budget for 2024 is £8.4 billion. £231 billion a year on benefits.
What is your view now? Will you still preach the same mantra or can you see what you said is incorrect?
What point are these figures demonstrating?
What do you think?
I think you're trying to divert the point away from discussing the other chaps assertion that we don't help ex service personnel because we help asylum seekers instead.
No I said why are asylum seekers helped more than oure own homeless.
I sure lots of homeless would love a hotel room and food. But lots can't even claim benifit as the are of no fixed address. And lots are sick and still get no help.
But turn up illegal and you get a roof over your head a 3 square meals a day.
Apparently there is going to be a legal battle about if migrants don't want to go on to the barge they can't be made homeless. There not homeless they have made them self homeless. Mack your self homeless in the UK the local council will not help you even if you land lord wants to sell you have to stay put until evicted.
Yes, so do you think if we stop helping asylum seekers, we will suddenly start helping homeless people?
I would like to think there would be more local money available to help, over crowding in social housing, people in temporary housing, and the homeless that is just the stat of the social housing problems. Have you ever seen 6 people in a 2 bed house? But people fleeing persecution an danger don't want to shear a room for 4, must be better then where thay have come from.
I'll go back to give them £2k start a NI number and let them get on with it find a home work etc. We give so much they don't want to stay in France.
I am suggesting that these things are unrelated. We could help homeless people now. But choose not to.
Helping asylum seekers or not, is completely unrelated.
What help would you suggest that’s being not being chosen?
The point I was referring to was "But vetrans and others get nothing."
So we could choose to give them something.
You could treat them equally by giving the homeless the same benefits as asylum seekers or alternatively give asylum seekers the same benefits as the homeless. Either way one should not get more than the other
Help them both surely.
All of them or 50 - 50
All of them whom it's appropriate to help.
No help them all even people coming from America that don't have heath insurance let them come use the NHS then give them a home and benifits.
Fu*k I might get a boot tomorrow as I can't get a GP appointment but I would get to see one when landing at Dover.
Not really sure I understand this point. Can you rephrase?
When migrants enter the process at Dover they all get to see a GP and a mental health service.
I can't get to see a GP anymore so it could be a quick way to see one out of hastings on a boat and back in to Dover call the RNLI and they will pick me up for free and get a good check up. Have you tried to see a GP of late
Yeah I made an appointment as normal. No issues.
Do you have any evidence to suggest that your claim is true about asylum seekers getting priority appointments over people already resident in the UK?
No but thay all get a check up when landing
You are lucky if you can see a GP guess your not in the south.
So do you support the RNLI how much do you give a month.
I live in the south of England.
I don't want to give out financial details of any kind on here. Would the amount I give to the RNLI each month affect your opinions on asylum seekers somehow being related to government inaction on our homeless problem?
Probably not but I have voted with my feet my head and my wallet.
My choice I guess.
But again I ask all of you why would a boat in trouble wait or dose it cross a line then get into trouble. Would the people of this forum get in such a boat with so meany knowing the danger. NO unless there was a good reason a land of plenty. "Fair enough. Do as you wish. Just don't understand why you try to link asylum seekers with homeless people, or NHS waiting lists. As if it's one or the other. I'm not sure I understand the boat question. | |||
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"Is it time to close all boarders now and end Global migration. So we can clear the backlog before letting any more in. Just say no. Grant them all right to stay, them watch the international corporations set up in the UK with the promise of cheap labour.
I'm with you let them all stay kick them on the street with £2000 and tel them to sort them self out.
Why are we housing people if they want to come let them but don't give so much.
Yes diferant for children but we have now created a system where if you get yo the UK you get a roof and food free at a decent standard.
But vetrans and others get nothing.
Do you think if we treated asylum seekers worse than we do, that somehow the government would start treating ex service personnel better?
Why can't we do both?
So why can't we help everyone. Stop over crowding in social housing. Give everyone that needs a home have one guess while we are at it put everyone on benifit so nobody is a sl*ve to a mortgage or have to work to by food. Get everyone on waiting lists for operations sorted next week. You have to be realistic.
The UK dose not have the land or infrastructure to house what it has let alone growing in number. Woodland is now 6% of what it was 100 years ago when population was 32 million people we are now at 67 million so with that growth we need a new city about the size of Liverpool every year. The penny dose not fit the slot.
Erm. Just talking about asylum seekers and ex service personnel.
People always seem to think it's some kind of choice.
Spoiler alert. The government doesn't give a fuck about either British or foreign poor people. If we were harsher to people arriving here seeking refuge, they wouldn't suddenly start helping anyone else.
I despair.... £8 billion on housing and feeding people who arrive here illegally.
£188 billion on NHS, approx £345K a minute, every minute of the the year!
Foreign aid budget for 2024 is £8.4 billion. £231 billion a year on benefits.
What is your view now? Will you still preach the same mantra or can you see what you said is incorrect?
What point are these figures demonstrating?
What do you think?
I think you're trying to divert the point away from discussing the other chaps assertion that we don't help ex service personnel because we help asylum seekers instead.
No I said why are asylum seekers helped more than oure own homeless.
I sure lots of homeless would love a hotel room and food. But lots can't even claim benifit as the are of no fixed address. And lots are sick and still get no help.
But turn up illegal and you get a roof over your head a 3 square meals a day.
Apparently there is going to be a legal battle about if migrants don't want to go on to the barge they can't be made homeless. There not homeless they have made them self homeless. Mack your self homeless in the UK the local council will not help you even if you land lord wants to sell you have to stay put until evicted.
Yes, so do you think if we stop helping asylum seekers, we will suddenly start helping homeless people?
I would like to think there would be more local money available to help, over crowding in social housing, people in temporary housing, and the homeless that is just the stat of the social housing problems. Have you ever seen 6 people in a 2 bed house? But people fleeing persecution an danger don't want to shear a room for 4, must be better then where thay have come from.
I'll go back to give them £2k start a NI number and let them get on with it find a home work etc. We give so much they don't want to stay in France.
I am suggesting that these things are unrelated. We could help homeless people now. But choose not to.
Helping asylum seekers or not, is completely unrelated.
What help would you suggest that’s being not being chosen?
The point I was referring to was "But vetrans and others get nothing."
So we could choose to give them something.
You could treat them equally by giving the homeless the same benefits as asylum seekers or alternatively give asylum seekers the same benefits as the homeless. Either way one should not get more than the other
Help them both surely.
All of them or 50 - 50
All of them whom it's appropriate to help.
No help them all even people coming from America that don't have heath insurance let them come use the NHS then give them a home and benifits.
Fu*k I might get a boot tomorrow as I can't get a GP appointment but I would get to see one when landing at Dover.
Not really sure I understand this point. Can you rephrase?
When migrants enter the process at Dover they all get to see a GP and a mental health service.
I can't get to see a GP anymore so it could be a quick way to see one out of hastings on a boat and back in to Dover call the RNLI and they will pick me up for free and get a good check up. Have you tried to see a GP of late
Yeah I made an appointment as normal. No issues.
Do you have any evidence to suggest that your claim is true about asylum seekers getting priority appointments over people already resident in the UK?
I have read through your replies and forgive me if I have got this wrong, but I seem to have missed you answering a direct question in this thread?
Can you point me to your posts that you answered any questions posed, or better still answer the questions?
Not an insult, not a personal attack as you often claim, it is a genuine attempt to understand your approach.. baiting or legit, I'm unsure
What are you on about personal attacks for? I've never suggested that you have personally attacked me.
I've answered several questions about the RNLI and some other bits and pieces. What else would you like to know?
If you could provide some context for the questions too, sometimes you ask me things that don't seem related to the topic. "Here: what is your solution to support homeless and those crossing the channel in small boats? How would it be funded, what is the return for that funding and timescales? | |||
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" You are on one here... What do you know about the RNLI? Do they pay the brave people who go out on the boats? Do they encourage the same people to raise more money for the RNLI? The RNLI needs to be scrapped and real funding should be provided is my opinion. To your last point ref Hastings, hearing it isn't not very nice, is what you would call in good conscience when you put it down... poor show Have you been drinking ? It's ok to admit you have been drinking, I won't judge. But please make sure you hydrate well before you retire for the evening. " Was that amid at me know at work got about 10 min to curten up in NY | |||
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"But again I ask all of you why would a boat in trouble wait or dose it cross a line then get into trouble. Would the people of this forum get in such a boat with so meany knowing the danger. NO unless there was a good reason a land of plenty." Regardless of motivation and legitimacy of any asylum claim, does it justify defunding and no longer supporting an organisation set up to save lives? Is it ok to let people die because they are making questionable choices? Is that something you would be proud to associate with? I get the anger at fake asylum seekers but to wish them drowned seems pretty fucking awful to me and far from being British. | |||
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"Is it time to close all boarders now and end Global migration. So we can clear the backlog before letting any more in. Just say no. Grant them all right to stay, them watch the international corporations set up in the UK with the promise of cheap labour.
I'm with you let them all stay kick them on the street with £2000 and tel them to sort them self out.
Why are we housing people if they want to come let them but don't give so much.
Yes diferant for children but we have now created a system where if you get yo the UK you get a roof and food free at a decent standard.
But vetrans and others get nothing.
Do you think if we treated asylum seekers worse than we do, that somehow the government would start treating ex service personnel better?
Why can't we do both?
So why can't we help everyone. Stop over crowding in social housing. Give everyone that needs a home have one guess while we are at it put everyone on benifit so nobody is a sl*ve to a mortgage or have to work to by food. Get everyone on waiting lists for operations sorted next week. You have to be realistic.
The UK dose not have the land or infrastructure to house what it has let alone growing in number. Woodland is now 6% of what it was 100 years ago when population was 32 million people we are now at 67 million so with that growth we need a new city about the size of Liverpool every year. The penny dose not fit the slot.
Erm. Just talking about asylum seekers and ex service personnel.
People always seem to think it's some kind of choice.
Spoiler alert. The government doesn't give a fuck about either British or foreign poor people. If we were harsher to people arriving here seeking refuge, they wouldn't suddenly start helping anyone else.
I despair.... £8 billion on housing and feeding people who arrive here illegally.
£188 billion on NHS, approx £345K a minute, every minute of the the year!
Foreign aid budget for 2024 is £8.4 billion. £231 billion a year on benefits.
What is your view now? Will you still preach the same mantra or can you see what you said is incorrect?
What point are these figures demonstrating?
What do you think?
I think you're trying to divert the point away from discussing the other chaps assertion that we don't help ex service personnel because we help asylum seekers instead.
No I said why are asylum seekers helped more than oure own homeless.
I sure lots of homeless would love a hotel room and food. But lots can't even claim benifit as the are of no fixed address. And lots are sick and still get no help.
But turn up illegal and you get a roof over your head a 3 square meals a day.
Apparently there is going to be a legal battle about if migrants don't want to go on to the barge they can't be made homeless. There not homeless they have made them self homeless. Mack your self homeless in the UK the local council will not help you even if you land lord wants to sell you have to stay put until evicted.
Yes, so do you think if we stop helping asylum seekers, we will suddenly start helping homeless people?
I would like to think there would be more local money available to help, over crowding in social housing, people in temporary housing, and the homeless that is just the stat of the social housing problems. Have you ever seen 6 people in a 2 bed house? But people fleeing persecution an danger don't want to shear a room for 4, must be better then where thay have come from.
I'll go back to give them £2k start a NI number and let them get on with it find a home work etc. We give so much they don't want to stay in France.
I am suggesting that these things are unrelated. We could help homeless people now. But choose not to.
Helping asylum seekers or not, is completely unrelated.
What help would you suggest that’s being not being chosen?
The point I was referring to was "But vetrans and others get nothing."
So we could choose to give them something.
You could treat them equally by giving the homeless the same benefits as asylum seekers or alternatively give asylum seekers the same benefits as the homeless. Either way one should not get more than the other
Help them both surely.
All of them or 50 - 50
All of them whom it's appropriate to help.
No help them all even people coming from America that don't have heath insurance let them come use the NHS then give them a home and benifits.
Fu*k I might get a boot tomorrow as I can't get a GP appointment but I would get to see one when landing at Dover.
Not really sure I understand this point. Can you rephrase?
When migrants enter the process at Dover they all get to see a GP and a mental health service.
I can't get to see a GP anymore so it could be a quick way to see one out of hastings on a boat and back in to Dover call the RNLI and they will pick me up for free and get a good check up. Have you tried to see a GP of late
Yeah I made an appointment as normal. No issues.
Do you have any evidence to suggest that your claim is true about asylum seekers getting priority appointments over people already resident in the UK?
No but thay all get a check up when landing
You are lucky if you can see a GP guess your not in the south.
So do you support the RNLI how much do you give a month.
I live in the south of England.
I don't want to give out financial details of any kind on here. Would the amount I give to the RNLI each month affect your opinions on asylum seekers somehow being related to government inaction on our homeless problem?
Probably not but I have voted with my feet my head and my wallet.
My choice I guess.
But again I ask all of you why would a boat in trouble wait or dose it cross a line then get into trouble. Would the people of this forum get in such a boat with so meany knowing the danger. NO unless there was a good reason a land of plenty.
Fair enough. Do as you wish.
Just don't understand why you try to link asylum seekers with homeless people, or NHS waiting lists. As if it's one or the other.
I'm not sure I understand the boat question."If you don't understand the boat question I'll leave you to think about it. But I will say the border of UK and French Warter is pretty munch in the middle how meny boats dose the SNSM pick up? | |||
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"Is it time to close all boarders now and end Global migration. So we can clear the backlog before letting any more in. Just say no. Grant them all right to stay, them watch the international corporations set up in the UK with the promise of cheap labour.
I'm with you let them all stay kick them on the street with £2000 and tel them to sort them self out.
Why are we housing people if they want to come let them but don't give so much.
Yes diferant for children but we have now created a system where if you get yo the UK you get a roof and food free at a decent standard.
But vetrans and others get nothing.
Do you think if we treated asylum seekers worse than we do, that somehow the government would start treating ex service personnel better?
Why can't we do both?
So why can't we help everyone. Stop over crowding in social housing. Give everyone that needs a home have one guess while we are at it put everyone on benifit so nobody is a sl*ve to a mortgage or have to work to by food. Get everyone on waiting lists for operations sorted next week. You have to be realistic.
The UK dose not have the land or infrastructure to house what it has let alone growing in number. Woodland is now 6% of what it was 100 years ago when population was 32 million people we are now at 67 million so with that growth we need a new city about the size of Liverpool every year. The penny dose not fit the slot.
Erm. Just talking about asylum seekers and ex service personnel.
People always seem to think it's some kind of choice.
Spoiler alert. The government doesn't give a fuck about either British or foreign poor people. If we were harsher to people arriving here seeking refuge, they wouldn't suddenly start helping anyone else.
I despair.... £8 billion on housing and feeding people who arrive here illegally.
£188 billion on NHS, approx £345K a minute, every minute of the the year!
Foreign aid budget for 2024 is £8.4 billion. £231 billion a year on benefits.
What is your view now? Will you still preach the same mantra or can you see what you said is incorrect?
What point are these figures demonstrating?
What do you think?
I think you're trying to divert the point away from discussing the other chaps assertion that we don't help ex service personnel because we help asylum seekers instead.
No I said why are asylum seekers helped more than oure own homeless.
I sure lots of homeless would love a hotel room and food. But lots can't even claim benifit as the are of no fixed address. And lots are sick and still get no help.
But turn up illegal and you get a roof over your head a 3 square meals a day.
Apparently there is going to be a legal battle about if migrants don't want to go on to the barge they can't be made homeless. There not homeless they have made them self homeless. Mack your self homeless in the UK the local council will not help you even if you land lord wants to sell you have to stay put until evicted.
Yes, so do you think if we stop helping asylum seekers, we will suddenly start helping homeless people?
I would like to think there would be more local money available to help, over crowding in social housing, people in temporary housing, and the homeless that is just the stat of the social housing problems. Have you ever seen 6 people in a 2 bed house? But people fleeing persecution an danger don't want to shear a room for 4, must be better then where thay have come from.
I'll go back to give them £2k start a NI number and let them get on with it find a home work etc. We give so much they don't want to stay in France.
I am suggesting that these things are unrelated. We could help homeless people now. But choose not to.
Helping asylum seekers or not, is completely unrelated.
What help would you suggest that’s being not being chosen?
The point I was referring to was "But vetrans and others get nothing."
So we could choose to give them something.
You could treat them equally by giving the homeless the same benefits as asylum seekers or alternatively give asylum seekers the same benefits as the homeless. Either way one should not get more than the other
Help them both surely.
All of them or 50 - 50
All of them whom it's appropriate to help.
No help them all even people coming from America that don't have heath insurance let them come use the NHS then give them a home and benifits.
Fu*k I might get a boot tomorrow as I can't get a GP appointment but I would get to see one when landing at Dover.
Not really sure I understand this point. Can you rephrase?
When migrants enter the process at Dover they all get to see a GP and a mental health service.
I can't get to see a GP anymore so it could be a quick way to see one out of hastings on a boat and back in to Dover call the RNLI and they will pick me up for free and get a good check up. Have you tried to see a GP of late
Yeah I made an appointment as normal. No issues.
Do you have any evidence to suggest that your claim is true about asylum seekers getting priority appointments over people already resident in the UK?
No but thay all get a check up when landing
You are lucky if you can see a GP guess your not in the south.
So do you support the RNLI how much do you give a month.
I live in the south of England.
I don't want to give out financial details of any kind on here. Would the amount I give to the RNLI each month affect your opinions on asylum seekers somehow being related to government inaction on our homeless problem?
Probably not but I have voted with my feet my head and my wallet.
My choice I guess.
But again I ask all of you why would a boat in trouble wait or dose it cross a line then get into trouble. Would the people of this forum get in such a boat with so meany knowing the danger. NO unless there was a good reason a land of plenty.
Fair enough. Do as you wish.
Just don't understand why you try to link asylum seekers with homeless people, or NHS waiting lists. As if it's one or the other.
I'm not sure I understand the boat question.
If you don't understand the boat question I'll leave you to think about it.
But I will say the border of UK and French Warter is pretty munch in the middle how meny boats dose the SNSM pick up?"I already gave an explanation for that. Boats tend to sink after being on their voyage for a while. | |||
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" Was that aimed (sic) at me ? Now (sic) at work. Got about 10 min to curtain (sic) up in NY" No, not you squire. It was in response to another poster. He likes stalking me from time to time on the forums and posting incoherent stuff. I humour him with a reply, so he feels seen and validated. | |||
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" You are on one here... What do you know about the RNLI? Do they pay the brave people who go out on the boats? Do they encourage the same people to raise more money for the RNLI? The RNLI needs to be scrapped and real funding should be provided is my opinion. To your last point ref Hastings, hearing it isn't not very nice, is what you would call in good conscience when you put it down... poor show Have you been drinking ? It's ok to admit you have been drinking, I won't judge. But please make sure you hydrate well before you retire for the evening. " Okay.... | |||
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"But again I ask all of you why would a boat in trouble wait or dose it cross a line then get into trouble. Would the people of this forum get in such a boat with so meany knowing the danger. NO unless there was a good reason a land of plenty. Regardless of motivation and legitimacy of any asylum claim, does it justify defunding and no longer supporting an organisation set up to save lives? Is it ok to let people die because they are making questionable choices? Is that something you would be proud to associate with? I get the anger at fake asylum seekers but to wish them drowned seems pretty fucking awful to me and far from being British." Have to say if you had sunk the first 2 boats no more would come posably saving more lives in the long run. But give them food and a warm bed and they will come in plenty. So can I ask how meny is to meny and if every hotel in the UK is full of asylum seekers where do you sergest we put them. | |||
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"Is it time to close all boarders now and end Global migration. So we can clear the backlog before letting any more in. Just say no. Grant them all right to stay, them watch the international corporations set up in the UK with the promise of cheap labour.
I'm with you let them all stay kick them on the street with £2000 and tel them to sort them self out.
Why are we housing people if they want to come let them but don't give so much.
Yes diferant for children but we have now created a system where if you get yo the UK you get a roof and food free at a decent standard.
But vetrans and others get nothing.
Do you think if we treated asylum seekers worse than we do, that somehow the government would start treating ex service personnel better?
Why can't we do both?
So why can't we help everyone. Stop over crowding in social housing. Give everyone that needs a home have one guess while we are at it put everyone on benifit so nobody is a sl*ve to a mortgage or have to work to by food. Get everyone on waiting lists for operations sorted next week. You have to be realistic.
The UK dose not have the land or infrastructure to house what it has let alone growing in number. Woodland is now 6% of what it was 100 years ago when population was 32 million people we are now at 67 million so with that growth we need a new city about the size of Liverpool every year. The penny dose not fit the slot.
Erm. Just talking about asylum seekers and ex service personnel.
People always seem to think it's some kind of choice.
Spoiler alert. The government doesn't give a fuck about either British or foreign poor people. If we were harsher to people arriving here seeking refuge, they wouldn't suddenly start helping anyone else.
I despair.... £8 billion on housing and feeding people who arrive here illegally.
£188 billion on NHS, approx £345K a minute, every minute of the the year!
Foreign aid budget for 2024 is £8.4 billion. £231 billion a year on benefits.
What is your view now? Will you still preach the same mantra or can you see what you said is incorrect?
What point are these figures demonstrating?
What do you think?
I think you're trying to divert the point away from discussing the other chaps assertion that we don't help ex service personnel because we help asylum seekers instead.
No I said why are asylum seekers helped more than oure own homeless.
I sure lots of homeless would love a hotel room and food. But lots can't even claim benifit as the are of no fixed address. And lots are sick and still get no help.
But turn up illegal and you get a roof over your head a 3 square meals a day.
Apparently there is going to be a legal battle about if migrants don't want to go on to the barge they can't be made homeless. There not homeless they have made them self homeless. Mack your self homeless in the UK the local council will not help you even if you land lord wants to sell you have to stay put until evicted.
Yes, so do you think if we stop helping asylum seekers, we will suddenly start helping homeless people?
I would like to think there would be more local money available to help, over crowding in social housing, people in temporary housing, and the homeless that is just the stat of the social housing problems. Have you ever seen 6 people in a 2 bed house? But people fleeing persecution an danger don't want to shear a room for 4, must be better then where thay have come from.
I'll go back to give them £2k start a NI number and let them get on with it find a home work etc. We give so much they don't want to stay in France.
I am suggesting that these things are unrelated. We could help homeless people now. But choose not to.
Helping asylum seekers or not, is completely unrelated.
What help would you suggest that’s being not being chosen?
The point I was referring to was "But vetrans and others get nothing."
So we could choose to give them something.
You could treat them equally by giving the homeless the same benefits as asylum seekers or alternatively give asylum seekers the same benefits as the homeless. Either way one should not get more than the other
Help them both surely.
All of them or 50 - 50
All of them whom it's appropriate to help.
No help them all even people coming from America that don't have heath insurance let them come use the NHS then give them a home and benifits.
Fu*k I might get a boot tomorrow as I can't get a GP appointment but I would get to see one when landing at Dover.
Not really sure I understand this point. Can you rephrase?
When migrants enter the process at Dover they all get to see a GP and a mental health service.
I can't get to see a GP anymore so it could be a quick way to see one out of hastings on a boat and back in to Dover call the RNLI and they will pick me up for free and get a good check up. Have you tried to see a GP of late
Yeah I made an appointment as normal. No issues.
Do you have any evidence to suggest that your claim is true about asylum seekers getting priority appointments over people already resident in the UK?
No but thay all get a check up when landing
You are lucky if you can see a GP guess your not in the south.
So do you support the RNLI how much do you give a month.
I live in the south of England.
I don't want to give out financial details of any kind on here. Would the amount I give to the RNLI each month affect your opinions on asylum seekers somehow being related to government inaction on our homeless problem?
Probably not but I have voted with my feet my head and my wallet.
My choice I guess.
But again I ask all of you why would a boat in trouble wait or dose it cross a line then get into trouble. Would the people of this forum get in such a boat with so meany knowing the danger. NO unless there was a good reason a land of plenty.
Fair enough. Do as you wish.
Just don't understand why you try to link asylum seekers with homeless people, or NHS waiting lists. As if it's one or the other.
I'm not sure I understand the boat question.
If you don't understand the boat question I'll leave you to think about it.
But I will say the border of UK and French Warter is pretty munch in the middle how meny boats dose the SNSM pick up?
I already gave an explanation for that. Boats tend to sink after being on their voyage for a while."What like just in to UK water when an SNSM boat is there half mile off funny that. | |||
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"But again I ask all of you why would a boat in trouble wait or dose it cross a line then get into trouble. Would the people of this forum get in such a boat with so meany knowing the danger. NO unless there was a good reason a land of plenty. Regardless of motivation and legitimacy of any asylum claim, does it justify defunding and no longer supporting an organisation set up to save lives? Is it ok to let people die because they are making questionable choices? Is that something you would be proud to associate with? I get the anger at fake asylum seekers but to wish them drowned seems pretty fucking awful to me and far from being British. Have to say if you had sunk the first 2 boats no more would come posably saving more lives in the long run. But give them food and a warm bed and they will come in plenty. So can I ask how meny is to meny and if every hotel in the UK is full of asylum seekers where do you sergest we put them." Wow! 
So you are saying it IS ok to let people drown and you would support that action (as it would only be the first two boats and would save lives in future...maybe?)
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"But again I ask all of you why would a boat in trouble wait or dose it cross a line then get into trouble. Would the people of this forum get in such a boat with so meany knowing the danger. NO unless there was a good reason a land of plenty. Regardless of motivation and legitimacy of any asylum claim, does it justify defunding and no longer supporting an organisation set up to save lives? Is it ok to let people die because they are making questionable choices? Is that something you would be proud to associate with? I get the anger at fake asylum seekers but to wish them drowned seems pretty fucking awful to me and far from being British. Have to say if you had sunk the first 2 boats no more would come posably saving more lives in the long run. But give them food and a warm bed and they will come in plenty. So can I ask how meny is to meny and if every hotel in the UK is full of asylum seekers where do you sergest we put them. Wow!
So you are saying it IS ok to let people drown and you would support that action (as it would only be the first two boats and would save lives in future...maybe?)
Fuck me that makes me proud to be British!"Yes prity much. If someone was on the street freezing would you take them in to your own home. Feed them give them food, and shelter. Have to see how you feel when all the hotels in Brighton are full of migrants and the town is over full. | |||
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" Have to say if you had sunk the first 2 boats no more would come posably saving more lives in the long run. " I think you'll find that's called murder. State sanctioned as well assuming you'd need the Royal Navy to do it. (They tend to have the things the taxpayer funds that kill people we don't like, apparently). | |||
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" Have to say if you had sunk the first 2 boats no more would come posably saving more lives in the long run. I think you'll find that's called murder. State sanctioned as well assuming you'd need the Royal Navy to do it. (They tend to have the things the taxpayer funds that kill people we don't like, apparently)." And that is why th UK has the problem it has the pore over the world love it they come and get priority and its free. | |||
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"It's the same situation here the leftists whine that we should accept everyone. So Texas gets overwhelmed and them to sanctuary cities. Then the same people that think they are the empathetic ones whine because Texas is sending them . " And Texas is about 3 x bigger than the UK. The USA is 40 x bigger than the UK and you think you have overcrowding | |||
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"It's the same situation here the leftists whine that we should accept everyone. So Texas gets overwhelmed and them to sanctuary cities. Then the same people that think they are the empathetic ones whine because Texas is sending them . And Texas is about 3 x bigger than the UK. The USA is 40 x bigger than the UK and you think you have overcrowding " Yet people complain about housing and what can the government can do for me ...I don't know if people are aware .. seems like they can't do fuck all. They just pass the situation on to others. Then people freak out instead of truly handling the situation. Aww poor migrants. I don't know if you idiots realize but you are adding to a homeless situation that is already exasperated. But go ahead and claim you righteousness. You are creating a problem that is currently existing. | |||
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"Why do people only seem to care about the homeless its a migration thread? Assuming we are talking about those sleeping rough, it's about 5 bibby barges worth. If it just needed money or could be solved in a blink. But I suspect some would be up in arms about "drug addicts, theives and porszies being put up in 4* hotels" if we spent the money on the homeless. If you can't help your own why make it easy to help others. So why don't they stay in Europe?" The vast, vast majority do stay in Europe. | |||
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"Is it time to close all boarders now and end Global migration. So we can clear the backlog before letting any more in. Just say no. Grant them all right to stay, them watch the international corporations set up in the UK with the promise of cheap labour.
I'm with you let them all stay kick them on the street with £2000 and tel them to sort them self out.
Why are we housing people if they want to come let them but don't give so much.
Yes diferant for children but we have now created a system where if you get yo the UK you get a roof and food free at a decent standard.
But vetrans and others get nothing.
Do you think if we treated asylum seekers worse than we do, that somehow the government would start treating ex service personnel better?
Why can't we do both?
So why can't we help everyone. Stop over crowding in social housing. Give everyone that needs a home have one guess while we are at it put everyone on benifit so nobody is a sl*ve to a mortgage or have to work to by food. Get everyone on waiting lists for operations sorted next week. You have to be realistic.
The UK dose not have the land or infrastructure to house what it has let alone growing in number. Woodland is now 6% of what it was 100 years ago when population was 32 million people we are now at 67 million so with that growth we need a new city about the size of Liverpool every year. The penny dose not fit the slot.
Erm. Just talking about asylum seekers and ex service personnel.
People always seem to think it's some kind of choice.
Spoiler alert. The government doesn't give a fuck about either British or foreign poor people. If we were harsher to people arriving here seeking refuge, they wouldn't suddenly start helping anyone else.
I despair.... £8 billion on housing and feeding people who arrive here illegally.
£188 billion on NHS, approx £345K a minute, every minute of the the year!
Foreign aid budget for 2024 is £8.4 billion. £231 billion a year on benefits.
What is your view now? Will you still preach the same mantra or can you see what you said is incorrect?
What point are these figures demonstrating?
What do you think?
I think you're trying to divert the point away from discussing the other chaps assertion that we don't help ex service personnel because we help asylum seekers instead.
No I said why are asylum seekers helped more than oure own homeless.
I sure lots of homeless would love a hotel room and food. But lots can't even claim benifit as the are of no fixed address. And lots are sick and still get no help.
But turn up illegal and you get a roof over your head a 3 square meals a day.
Apparently there is going to be a legal battle about if migrants don't want to go on to the barge they can't be made homeless. There not homeless they have made them self homeless. Mack your self homeless in the UK the local council will not help you even if you land lord wants to sell you have to stay put until evicted.
Yes, so do you think if we stop helping asylum seekers, we will suddenly start helping homeless people?
I would like to think there would be more local money available to help, over crowding in social housing, people in temporary housing, and the homeless that is just the stat of the social housing problems. Have you ever seen 6 people in a 2 bed house? But people fleeing persecution an danger don't want to shear a room for 4, must be better then where thay have come from.
I'll go back to give them £2k start a NI number and let them get on with it find a home work etc. We give so much they don't want to stay in France.
I am suggesting that these things are unrelated. We could help homeless people now. But choose not to.
Helping asylum seekers or not, is completely unrelated.
What help would you suggest that’s being not being chosen?
The point I was referring to was "But vetrans and others get nothing."
So we could choose to give them something.
You could treat them equally by giving the homeless the same benefits as asylum seekers or alternatively give asylum seekers the same benefits as the homeless. Either way one should not get more than the other
Help them both surely.
All of them or 50 - 50
All of them whom it's appropriate to help.
No help them all even people coming from America that don't have heath insurance let them come use the NHS then give them a home and benifits.
Fu*k I might get a boot tomorrow as I can't get a GP appointment but I would get to see one when landing at Dover.
Not really sure I understand this point. Can you rephrase?
When migrants enter the process at Dover they all get to see a GP and a mental health service.
I can't get to see a GP anymore so it could be a quick way to see one out of hastings on a boat and back in to Dover call the RNLI and they will pick me up for free and get a good check up. Have you tried to see a GP of late
Yeah I made an appointment as normal. No issues.
Do you have any evidence to suggest that your claim is true about asylum seekers getting priority appointments over people already resident in the UK?
I have read through your replies and forgive me if I have got this wrong, but I seem to have missed you answering a direct question in this thread?
Can you point me to your posts that you answered any questions posed, or better still answer the questions?
Not an insult, not a personal attack as you often claim, it is a genuine attempt to understand your approach.. baiting or legit, I'm unsure
What are you on about personal attacks for? I've never suggested that you have personally attacked me.
I've answered several questions about the RNLI and some other bits and pieces. What else would you like to know?
If you could provide some context for the questions too, sometimes you ask me things that don't seem related to the topic.
Here: what is your solution to support homeless and those crossing the channel in small boats? How would it be funded, what is the return for that funding and timescales?"I'll answer if you tell me why this is related to the point were discussing. The point being that this chap seems to think it's one or the other. That these unrelated topics are dependent on eachother. Why not pick say, closing tax avoidance loop holes and homelessness. | |||
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"So help people understand the logic. No housing for the current civilians. Yet hey let's take in more people and make the situation worse. Then complain that the government should pay for the migrants yet can't take care of the citizens currently there. So adding more to a problem is fixing it ? Genius concept." The logic is that these things are unrelated. Situation 1. We help asylum seekers. Action taken on the homeless problem = not much. Situation 2. We don't help asylum seekers. Action taken on the homeless problem = not much. These two issues are not dependent on eachother in anyway. It's like saying if we could only ban rhubarb we could build more roads. | |||
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"Would the people of this forum get in such a boat with so meany knowing the danger. NO unless there was a good reason a land of plenty." That is an excellent point. The rewards needed to get me in such a boat would need to be fucking high. Way higher than the increase in benefits between the UK and France (if indeed there are any). Tbh, I can't quite work out id need to believe to step into a dinghy in the middle of the night. But whatever it is, it would be significant. | |||
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"Can you also look at. The latest crossings take the provisional total so far for 2023 to 12,119, which is just seven per cent below the cumulative total of 13,000 for this time last year. A record total of 45,755 migrants crossed the Channel in 2022." Morning! Few people would try to claim we do not have a migrant problem in terms of numbers. The govt have magnified the problem by reducing the size of the UKVI workforce. However, I still do not see why the only answer is state sanctioned murder? “Oh we should sink the boats” and “let them drown”. You know what? We have a lot of financial pressures in the UK. How about we also say fuck ‘em to the smokers, drinkers, over-eaters, drug takers. After all it was their choice. Would save £billions on NHS budget. | |||
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"So help people understand the logic. No housing for the current civilians. Yet hey let's take in more people and make the situation worse. Then complain that the government should pay for the migrants yet can't take care of the citizens currently there. So adding more to a problem is fixing it ? Genius concept." What is your solution Blu? | |||
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"Is that how donations to charities work, don't donate and cross your fingers you don't need them? The way you put that sounds like a sinister threat.... The point being, the poster is cutting off their nose to spite their face. And not just theirs. Other nationals as well. I won't be advising my extended family take their boat down to Hastings any time soon, because if they get in to trouble and help is not forthcoming due to funding issues, I might have a clue why. To be fair, in all good conscience I'm not I'd recommend anyone visit the place as I hear it's not very nice." lol you hear its not a very nice place says someone from colchester pmsl | |||
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"It's the same situation here the leftists whine that we should accept everyone. So Texas gets overwhelmed and them to sanctuary cities. Then the same people that think they are the empathetic ones whine because Texas is sending them . " ******************************* (Regarding your whining 'leftists' quote..!!) | |||
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"Can you also look at. The latest crossings take the provisional total so far for 2023 to 12,119, which is just seven per cent below the cumulative total of 13,000 for this time last year. A record total of 45,755 migrants crossed the Channel in 2022. Morning! Few people would try to claim we do not have a migrant problem in terms of numbers. The govt have magnified the problem by reducing the size of the UKVI workforce. However, I still do not see why the only answer is state sanctioned murder? “Oh we should sink the boats” and “let them drown”. You know what? We have a lot of financial pressures in the UK. How about we also say fuck ‘em to the smokers, drinkers, over-eaters, drug takers. After all it was their choice. Would save £billions on NHS budget. " Thinking further if we did say fuck ‘em to the smokers, drinkers, over-eaters, drug takers, we could use that huge budget saving to help our homeless people...except if they are smokers, drinkers, drug takers, in which case fuck ‘em! | |||
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"Can you also look at. The latest crossings take the provisional total so far for 2023 to 12,119, which is just seven per cent below the cumulative total of 13,000 for this time last year. A record total of 45,755 migrants crossed the Channel in 2022. Morning! Few people would try to claim we do not have a migrant problem in terms of numbers. The govt have magnified the problem by reducing the size of the UKVI workforce. However, I still do not see why the only answer is state sanctioned murder? “Oh we should sink the boats” and “let them drown”. You know what? We have a lot of financial pressures in the UK. How about we also say fuck ‘em to the smokers, drinkers, over-eaters, drug takers. After all it was their choice. Would save £billions on NHS budget. " Now that's a good I thought I like that I'm in as not smoke or drink and within bmi and have privet health care. | |||
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"But again I ask all of you why would a boat in trouble wait or dose it cross a line then get into trouble. Would the people of this forum get in such a boat with so meany knowing the danger. NO unless there was a good reason a land of plenty. Regardless of motivation and legitimacy of any asylum claim, does it justify defunding and no longer supporting an organisation set up to save lives? Is it ok to let people die because they are making questionable choices? Is that something you would be proud to associate with? I get the anger at fake asylum seekers but to wish them drowned seems pretty fucking awful to me and far from being British. Have to say if you had sunk the first 2 boats no more would come posably saving more lives in the long run. But give them food and a warm bed and they will come in plenty. So can I ask how meny is to meny and if every hotel in the UK is full of asylum seekers where do you sergest we put them. Wow!
So you are saying it IS ok to let people drown and you would support that action (as it would only be the first two boats and would save lives in future...maybe?)
Fuck me that makes me proud to be British!
Yes prity much.
If someone was on the street freezing would you take them in to your own home. Feed them give them food, and shelter.
Have to see how you feel when all the hotels in Brighton are full of migrants and the town is over full."Just on this point... I live in a very busy seaside town, further along the coast than Birldn. It does feel at times that it's being 'overrun' with the number of hotels accommodating asylum seekers increasing by the day. So, whilst I'd like the Govt to get a handle on this problem, and it is a problem, let's not start blaming the RNLI. Those guys do a fucking outstanding job at keeping out coastal waters safe. Do I want the small boats to stop? YES. Do I want the RNLI to allow people to drown? FUCK NO. This problem lie squarely with the Govt (and possibly France), no one else. | |||
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"Can you also look at. The latest crossings take the provisional total so far for 2023 to 12,119, which is just seven per cent below the cumulative total of 13,000 for this time last year. A record total of 45,755 migrants crossed the Channel in 2022. Morning! Few people would try to claim we do not have a migrant problem in terms of numbers. The govt have magnified the problem by reducing the size of the UKVI workforce. However, I still do not see why the only answer is state sanctioned murder? “Oh we should sink the boats” and “let them drown”. You know what? We have a lot of financial pressures in the UK. How about we also say fuck ‘em to the smokers, drinkers, over-eaters, drug takers. After all it was their choice. Would save £billions on NHS budget. Now that's a good I thought I like that I'm in as not smoke or drink and within bmi and have privet health care. " Brilliant let’s do it! Anyone with any kind of problem as a result of choices they made can now just fuck off. Only the healthy productive members of society will be supported going forward. Anyone who is healthy but unemployed can be put to work collecting up the bodies once they start to pile up. Then again why stop there? What about all those unproductive old people clogging up the housing market or care homes. Fuck them too! We are going to save £trillions! Think we are on to something! | |||
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"Can you also look at. The latest crossings take the provisional total so far for 2023 to 12,119, which is just seven per cent below the cumulative total of 13,000 for this time last year. A record total of 45,755 migrants crossed the Channel in 2022. Morning! Few people would try to claim we do not have a migrant problem in terms of numbers. The govt have magnified the problem by reducing the size of the UKVI workforce. However, I still do not see why the only answer is state sanctioned murder? “Oh we should sink the boats” and “let them drown”. You know what? We have a lot of financial pressures in the UK. How about we also say fuck ‘em to the smokers, drinkers, over-eaters, drug takers. After all it was their choice. Would save £billions on NHS budget. Now that's a good I thought I like that I'm in as not smoke or drink and within bmi and have privet health care. " You have private healthcare, and can't get a Dr appointment? Maybe try calling your provider instead of blaming asylum seekers? | |||
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"Rackem pack them and stack them well Brighton could hold about 15,000 you know they want 3* and above. And not air b&b as there intitel to a meal. " Have a look what the locals are doing at a hotel in Wales. The locals have had enough and are fighting back. | |||
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"Rackem pack them and stack them well Brighton could hold about 15,000 you know they want 3* and above. And not air b&b as there intitel to a meal. Have a look what the locals are doing at a hotel in Wales. The locals have had enough and are fighting back." ********************************* Good on them.......!! Let's have a whip-round and send those particular Welsh folks some assistance....! It's all a ticking time-bomb........ yes...... In MY considered opinion. | |||
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"Rackem pack them and stack them well Brighton could hold about 15,000 you know they want 3* and above. And not air b&b as there intitel to a meal. Have a look what the locals are doing at a hotel in Wales. The locals have had enough and are fighting back." I saw that in the news. One of the people confused about asylum seekers ran someone over in a van. Doesn't sound like good news to me. | |||
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"Rackem pack them and stack them well Brighton could hold about 15,000 you know they want 3* and above. And not air b&b as there intitel to a meal. Have a look what the locals are doing at a hotel in Wales. The locals have had enough and are fighting back. ********************************* Good on them.......!! Let's have a whip-round and send those particular Welsh folks some assistance....! It's all a ticking time-bomb........ yes...... In MY considered opinion. "anger at the wrong place imo. The hotel owner has sold out for profit. | |||
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"Rackem pack them and stack them well Brighton could hold about 15,000 you know they want 3* and above. And not air b&b as there intitel to a meal. Have a look what the locals are doing at a hotel in Wales. The locals have had enough and are fighting back. I saw that in the news. One of the people confused about asylum seekers ran someone over in a van. Doesn't sound like good news to me." I think you'll find it was a protestor who was hit by the van | |||
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