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The biggest shake up of alcohol taxes in a century.
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By *hagTonight OP Man
over a year ago
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I read an article and those were the words from sunak and I actually agree with him on that, the reason they are doing the shake up is because it aims to encourage drinkers to cut back by taxing all alcohol based on its strengths, rather than the previous categories of
wine, beer, spirits and ciders.
What do you think of that idea? I think that that it is a good idea, but I can see a downside to it as well, what about the pubs and could they survive it, also does this mean that the pubs have to increase the cost of a pint?  |
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"I read an article and those were the words from sunak and I actually agree with him on that, the reason they are doing the shake up is because it aims to encourage drinkers to cut back by taxing all alcohol based on its strengths, rather than the previous categories of
wine, beer, spirits and ciders.
What do you think of that idea? I think that that it is a good idea, but I can see a downside to it as well, what about the pubs and could they survive it, also does this mean that the pubs have to increase the cost of a pint? "
The reason they are doing it is to appeal to a certain person or persons. It is pathetic. We still have highest cost of beer compared to most in eu. Brexit had feck all to do with this as suggested. Same as when they said we could set our own VAT even though uk had higher VAT then minimum set by eu and is STILL higher. It’s a con from the party as they are trying to cover up the new oil deals in which Sunaks family make billions.
Lying bunch of con men |
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"I read an article and those were the words from sunak and I actually agree with him on that, the reason they are doing the shake up is because it aims to encourage drinkers to cut back by taxing all alcohol based on its strengths, rather than the previous categories of
wine, beer, spirits and ciders.
What do you think of that idea? I think that that it is a good idea, but I can see a downside to it as well, what about the pubs and could they survive it, also does this mean that the pubs have to increase the cost of a pint? "
Apparently a pint of beer will be the same it's wine and spirits that are going to increase in price. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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On the plus side, a bottle of fizz is now cheaper so it's not all bad news, Shag.
I don't know whether this extends to fizzy Haribo but I shall make some enquiries and report back  |
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"I'm just going to have two chasers with my pint now instead of three, Shag.
Times are hard."
Graeme Littlejohn, chief of Whisky Distillers Association says the 10.1% tax increase adds almost £1 to the cost of a bottle, meaning that 75% of an average bottle of Whisky is now tax. |
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Apparently a pint of beer will be the same it's wine and spirits that are going to increase in price.
Beer in a pub will stay the same but a can of beer in the supermarket will go up 4p"
Scandalous. Won't someone think of the beer drinkers?? |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"I'm just going to have two chasers with my pint now instead of three, Shag.
Times are hard.
Graeme Littlejohn, chief of Whisky Distillers Association says the 10.1% tax increase adds almost £1 to the cost of a bottle, meaning that 75% of an average bottle of Whisky is now tax."
And the tax increase on beer means that an average pint of Carling is now 100% shit. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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It'll only encourage people to either brew their own or get it elsewhere. Adding to this what will the people who are addicted? Will their benefits increase with the price increase?
Not that any of these points effect me at all as I'm not a big drinker and when I do drink I prefer a below 4% ale  |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"I read an article and those were the words from sunak and I actually agree with him on that, the reason they are doing the shake up is because it aims to encourage drinkers to cut back by taxing all alcohol based on its strengths, rather than the previous categories of
wine, beer, spirits and ciders.
What do you think of that idea? I think that that it is a good idea, but I can see a downside to it as well, what about the pubs and could they survive it, also does this mean that the pubs have to increase the cost of a pint?
The reason they are doing it is to appeal to a certain person or persons. It is pathetic. We still have highest cost of beer compared to most in eu. Brexit had feck all to do with this as suggested. Same as when they said we could set our own VAT even though uk had higher VAT then minimum set by eu and is STILL higher. It’s a con from the party as they are trying to cover up the new oil deals in which Sunaks family make billions.
Lying bunch of con men"
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"Sunaks family make...... BILLIONS....."??
(In excess of one thousand million..??!)
Really..?
Please feel free to explain. |
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"I may be thinking of something else but didn't Scotland do some sort of minimum pricing per unit ages ago. Will it help people cut back on excessive drinking I guess is the question"
No. Minimum pricing made people drink harder spirits and had a negative impact on health. |
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"I read an article and those were the words from sunak and I actually agree with him on that, the reason they are doing the shake up is because it aims to encourage drinkers to cut back by taxing all alcohol based on its strengths, rather than the previous categories of
wine, beer, spirits and ciders.
What do you think of that idea? I think that that it is a good idea, but I can see a downside to it as well, what about the pubs and could they survive it, also does this mean that the pubs have to increase the cost of a pint?
The reason they are doing it is to appeal to a certain person or persons. It is pathetic. We still have highest cost of beer compared to most in eu. Brexit had feck all to do with this as suggested. Same as when they said we could set our own VAT even though uk had higher VAT then minimum set by eu and is STILL higher. It’s a con from the party as they are trying to cover up the new oil deals in which Sunaks family make billions.
Lying bunch of con men
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"Sunaks family make...... BILLIONS....."??
(In excess of one thousand million..??!)
Really..?
Please feel free to explain."
Look it up. They have fingers in many pies. Billions worth. Russia, oil, etc. it’s not difficult to find, although they still keep trying |
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"I read an article and those were the words from sunak and I actually agree with him on that, the reason they are doing the shake up is because it aims to encourage drinkers to cut back by taxing all alcohol based on its strengths, rather than the previous categories of
wine, beer, spirits and ciders.
What do you think of that idea? I think that that it is a good idea, but I can see a downside to it as well, what about the pubs and could they survive it, also does this mean that the pubs have to increase the cost of a pint?
The reason they are doing it is to appeal to a certain person or persons. It is pathetic. We still have highest cost of beer compared to most in eu. Brexit had feck all to do with this as suggested. Same as when they said we could set our own VAT even though uk had higher VAT then minimum set by eu and is STILL higher. It’s a con from the party as they are trying to cover up the new oil deals in which Sunaks family make billions.
Lying bunch of con men
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"Sunaks family make...... BILLIONS....."??
(In excess of one thousand million..??!)
Really..?
Please feel free to explain.
Look it up. They have fingers in many pies. Billions worth. Russia, oil, etc. it’s not difficult to find, although they still keep trying "
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By *ercuryMan
over a year ago
Grantham |
"Is it to discourage the minority of the population who drink too much or to generate more income via taxation?"
It's to try and equalise prices between pubs and supermarkets.
If people continue to buy cheaper alcohol from supermarkets, then there will soon be no pubs left.
Its what some campaign groups have asked for.
It makes absolute sense to tax alcohol dependent on strength. |
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"I may be thinking of something else but didn't Scotland do some sort of minimum pricing per unit ages ago. Will it help people cut back on excessive drinking I guess is the question
No. Minimum pricing made people drink harder spirits and had a negative impact on health."
What evidence do you have of this? |
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"I may be thinking of something else but didn't Scotland do some sort of minimum pricing per unit ages ago. Will it help people cut back on excessive drinking I guess is the question
No. Minimum pricing made people drink harder spirits and had a negative impact on health.
What evidence do you have of this?"
Scottish government data sets |
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"I may be thinking of something else but didn't Scotland do some sort of minimum pricing per unit ages ago. Will it help people cut back on excessive drinking I guess is the question
No. Minimum pricing made people drink harder spirits and had a negative impact on health.
What evidence do you have of this?
Scottish government data sets"
no you never |
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"I may be thinking of something else but didn't Scotland do some sort of minimum pricing per unit ages ago. Will it help people cut back on excessive drinking I guess is the question
No. Minimum pricing made people drink harder spirits and had a negative impact on health.
What evidence do you have of this?
Scottish government data setsno you never"
It was from public health's cotland citing vodka sales rose markedly. |
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"I may be thinking of something else but didn't Scotland do some sort of minimum pricing per unit ages ago. Will it help people cut back on excessive drinking I guess is the question
No. Minimum pricing made people drink harder spirits and had a negative impact on health.
What evidence do you have of this?
Scottish government data setsno you never
It was from public health's cotland citing vodka sales rose markedly."
rubbish,it has 13.4% reduction on deaths and related hospital addmisions down 4.1% and many other benefits but maybe you never seen them ? |
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"I may be thinking of something else but didn't Scotland do some sort of minimum pricing per unit ages ago. Will it help people cut back on excessive drinking I guess is the question
No. Minimum pricing made people drink harder spirits and had a negative impact on health.
What evidence do you have of this?
Scottish government data setsno you never
It was from public health's cotland citing vodka sales rose markedly.rubbish,it has 13.4% reduction on deaths and related hospital addmisions down 4.1% and many other benefits but maybe you never seen them ?"
No.
I suggest.you re read the paper.
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"I may be thinking of something else but didn't Scotland do some sort of minimum pricing per unit ages ago. Will it help people cut back on excessive drinking I guess is the question
No. Minimum pricing made people drink harder spirits and had a negative impact on health.
What evidence do you have of this?
Scottish government data setsno you never
It was from public health's cotland citing vodka sales rose markedly.rubbish,it has 13.4% reduction on deaths and related hospital addmisions down 4.1% and many other benefits but maybe you never seen them ?"
This is from Alcohol Change, a registered charity:
'One is more use of local shops, since there are fewer alcohol discounts to attract people to travel to larger supermarkets. The other is drinkers switching from strong ciders to wine or spirits. MUP applies to all drinks types, and so there is no way to sidestep it and get more “bangs for your bucks” – more units for your money' |
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"I may be thinking of something else but didn't Scotland do some sort of minimum pricing per unit ages ago. Will it help people cut back on excessive drinking I guess is the question
No. Minimum pricing made people drink harder spirits and had a negative impact on health.
What evidence do you have of this?
Scottish government data setsno you never
It was from public health's cotland citing vodka sales rose markedly.rubbish,it has 13.4% reduction on deaths and related hospital addmisions down 4.1% and many other benefits but maybe you never seen them ?
This is from Alcohol Change, a registered charity:
'One is more use of local shops, since there are fewer alcohol discounts to attract people to travel to larger supermarkets. The other is drinkers switching from strong ciders to wine or spirits. MUP applies to all drinks types, and so there is no way to sidestep it and get more “bangs for your bucks” – more units for your money'"
The problem is the same study they quote is using the same.logic as the brexit 4%.
They use England and Wales data as the control.
Not previous data of Scotland.
So they are using the growth of alcohol sales and deaths ine ngland and Wales as a control measure vs deaths in scotland. The problem being. Deaths were decreasing in scotland and rising in England and Wales prior to this study. So their control group thinking is completely wrong.
The alcohol specific death rate rose by 1 in 100k from 2017 to 2020.
They also didn't account for the black market.
Many hopped over the border. To buy alcohol. With 1 in 5 who lived withing 60 minutes drive of the border driving over the border to do these alcohol runs.
It's an absolute hash of a study that tries painting minimum pricing in a good light when it simply can't be.
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"I may be thinking of something else but didn't Scotland do some sort of minimum pricing per unit ages ago. Will it help people cut back on excessive drinking I guess is the question
No. Minimum pricing made people drink harder spirits and had a negative impact on health.
What evidence do you have of this?
Scottish government data setsno you never
It was from public health's cotland citing vodka sales rose markedly.rubbish,it has 13.4% reduction on deaths and related hospital addmisions down 4.1% and many other benefits but maybe you never seen them ?
No.
I suggest.you re read the paper.
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as i thought you made it up  |
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"I may be thinking of something else but didn't Scotland do some sort of minimum pricing per unit ages ago. Will it help people cut back on excessive drinking I guess is the question
No. Minimum pricing made people drink harder spirits and had a negative impact on health.
What evidence do you have of this?
Scottish government data setsno you never
It was from public health's cotland citing vodka sales rose markedly.rubbish,it has 13.4% reduction on deaths and related hospital addmisions down 4.1% and many other benefits but maybe you never seen them ?
This is from Alcohol Change, a registered charity:
'One is more use of local shops, since there are fewer alcohol discounts to attract people to travel to larger supermarkets. The other is drinkers switching from strong ciders to wine or spirits. MUP applies to all drinks types, and so there is no way to sidestep it and get more “bangs for your bucks” – more units for your money'
The problem is the same study they quote is using the same.logic as the brexit 4%.
They use England and Wales data as the control.
Not previous data of Scotland.
So they are using the growth of alcohol sales and deaths ine ngland and Wales as a control measure vs deaths in scotland. The problem being. Deaths were decreasing in scotland and rising in England and Wales prior to this study. So their control group thinking is completely wrong.
The alcohol specific death rate rose by 1 in 100k from 2017 to 2020.
They also didn't account for the black market.
Many hopped over the border. To buy alcohol. With 1 in 5 who lived withing 60 minutes drive of the border driving over the border to do these alcohol runs.
It's an absolute hash of a study that tries painting minimum pricing in a good light when it simply can't be.
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it has saved lives ,or are you going to make something else up that says it dosent |
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"I may be thinking of something else but didn't Scotland do some sort of minimum pricing per unit ages ago. Will it help people cut back on excessive drinking I guess is the question
No. Minimum pricing made people drink harder spirits and had a negative impact on health.
What evidence do you have of this?
Scottish government data setsno you never
It was from public health's cotland citing vodka sales rose markedly.rubbish,it has 13.4% reduction on deaths and related hospital addmisions down 4.1% and many other benefits but maybe you never seen them ?
No.
I suggest.you re read the paper.
as i thought you made it up "
No.
I suggest you read and compreh3nd the report whose figures you quote.
I have made nothing up.
Vodka and spirit sales increased. Sales of other less potent beverages decreased.
Scots doubled the amount that drove over the border ( again this doesn't factor into the increased sales as they're sales in england) so not only have Scots bought more alcohol from England. They bought more high end spirits in scotland.
1 extra person per 100k died ins cotland by 2021 since mup inception.
The only made up stat here is the actual control group.
Because you shouldnt use another country as a control group but compare vs your own historic trend.
I woudlnt compare alcohol sales in China for England , Scotland shouldn't extrpolate anything from England and use it as a base for their own
England alcohol deaths have stayed steady or increased until 2010. Then dipped. The increased again.
Scotland however has seen this decline since 2002 until 2015. Since then it was roughly the same. Then it enjoyed and even larger uptick than England and Wales.
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You are literally denying reality
https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/deaths/bulletins/alcoholspecificdeathsintheuk/2021registrations#:~:text=Alcohol%2Dspecific%20deaths%20have%20risen%20sharply%20since%202019.,100%2C000%20over%20the%20same%20period |
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"I may be thinking of something else but didn't Scotland do some sort of minimum pricing per unit ages ago. Will it help people cut back on excessive drinking I guess is the question
No. Minimum pricing made people drink harder spirits and had a negative impact on health.
What evidence do you have of this?
Scottish government data setsno you never
It was from public health's cotland citing vodka sales rose markedly.rubbish,it has 13.4% reduction on deaths and related hospital addmisions down 4.1% and many other benefits but maybe you never seen them ?
No.
I suggest.you re read the paper.
as i thought you made it up
No.
I suggest you read and compreh3nd the report whose figures you quote.
I have made nothing up.
Vodka and spirit sales increased. Sales of other less potent beverages decreased.
Scots doubled the amount that drove over the border ( again this doesn't factor into the increased sales as they're sales in england) so not only have Scots bought more alcohol from England. They bought more high end spirits in scotland.
1 extra person per 100k died ins cotland by 2021 since mup inception.
The only made up stat here is the actual control group.
Because you shouldnt use another country as a control group but compare vs your own historic trend.
I woudlnt compare alcohol sales in China for England , Scotland shouldn't extrpolate anything from England and use it as a base for their own
England alcohol deaths have stayed steady or increased until 2010. Then dipped. The increased again.
Scotland however has seen this decline since 2002 until 2015. Since then it was roughly the same. Then it enjoyed and even larger uptick than England and Wales.
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your a bluffer who talks shite |
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"I may be thinking of something else but didn't Scotland do some sort of minimum pricing per unit ages ago. Will it help people cut back on excessive drinking I guess is the question
No. Minimum pricing made people drink harder spirits and had a negative impact on health.
What evidence do you have of this?
Scottish government data setsno you never
It was from public health's cotland citing vodka sales rose markedly.rubbish,it has 13.4% reduction on deaths and related hospital addmisions down 4.1% and many other benefits but maybe you never seen them ?
No.
I suggest.you re read the paper.
as i thought you made it up
No.
I suggest you read and compreh3nd the report whose figures you quote.
I have made nothing up.
Vodka and spirit sales increased. Sales of other less potent beverages decreased.
Scots doubled the amount that drove over the border ( again this doesn't factor into the increased sales as they're sales in england) so not only have Scots bought more alcohol from England. They bought more high end spirits in scotland.
1 extra person per 100k died ins cotland by 2021 since mup inception.
The only made up stat here is the actual control group.
Because you shouldnt use another country as a control group but compare vs your own historic trend.
I woudlnt compare alcohol sales in China for England , Scotland shouldn't extrpolate anything from England and use it as a base for their own
England alcohol deaths have stayed steady or increased until 2010. Then dipped. The increased again.
Scotland however has seen this decline since 2002 until 2015. Since then it was roughly the same. Then it enjoyed and even larger uptick than England and Wales.
your a bluffer who talks shite "
When you want to read reports, understand them, then come back and have an adult discussion.
I'll be here.
I am sorry statistical data gathered by local government and quangos disagrees with your assumptions.
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By *alcon43Woman
over a year ago
Paisley |
People in Scotland are still getting excessively d*unk regardless of whether it’s at home, in a pub or in a club. I see people doing shots more often and they aren’t cheap.
Maybe they are going out less and making the most of it when they do. I do drink in Glasgow just to clarify that I am talking from experience. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"I read an article and those were the words from sunak and I actually agree with him on that, the reason they are doing the shake up is because it aims to encourage drinkers to cut back by taxing all alcohol based on its strengths, rather than the previous categories of
wine, beer, spirits and ciders.
What do you think of that idea? I think that that it is a good idea, but I can see a downside to it as well, what about the pubs and could they survive it, also does this mean that the pubs have to increase the cost of a pint?
The reason they are doing it is to appeal to a certain person or persons. It is pathetic. We still have highest cost of beer compared to most in eu. Brexit had feck all to do with this as suggested. Same as when they said we could set our own VAT even though uk had higher VAT then minimum set by eu and is STILL higher. It’s a con from the party as they are trying to cover up the new oil deals in which Sunaks family make billions.
Lying bunch of con men
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"Sunaks family make...... BILLIONS....."??
(In excess of one thousand million..??!)
Really..?
Please feel free to explain.
Look it up. They have fingers in many pies. Billions worth. Russia, oil, etc. it’s not difficult to find, although they still keep trying "
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I really don't need to "look it up".
Do some people not comprehend the meaning of 'one billion', let alone "billions"...???!!
ONE million multiplied ONE thousand times.
"Billions"..... any multiple of one billion, plus as many times as one cares to state (invent?)
Do folk not realise.... IF.... this story of a public figure, no less the current Prime Minister, was, indeed true, just what kind of furore would inevitably result.....??
The idea of such a situation, in MY considered opinion, is nothing short of fantasy.
I'm meaning the enrichment of the P.M.'s immediate family.
Until proven, I stand by my assertion.
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"I may be thinking of something else but didn't Scotland do some sort of minimum pricing per unit ages ago. Will it help people cut back on excessive drinking I guess is the question
No. Minimum pricing made people drink harder spirits and had a negative impact on health.
What evidence do you have of this?
Scottish government data setsno you never
It was from public health's cotland citing vodka sales rose markedly.rubbish,it has 13.4% reduction on deaths and related hospital addmisions down 4.1% and many other benefits but maybe you never seen them ?
No.
I suggest.you re read the paper.
as i thought you made it up
No.
I suggest you read and compreh3nd the report whose figures you quote.
I have made nothing up.
Vodka and spirit sales increased. Sales of other less potent beverages decreased.
Scots doubled the amount that drove over the border ( again this doesn't factor into the increased sales as they're sales in england) so not only have Scots bought more alcohol from England. They bought more high end spirits in scotland.
1 extra person per 100k died ins cotland by 2021 since mup inception.
The only made up stat here is the actual control group.
Because you shouldnt use another country as a control group but compare vs your own historic trend.
I woudlnt compare alcohol sales in China for England , Scotland shouldn't extrpolate anything from England and use it as a base for their own
England alcohol deaths have stayed steady or increased until 2010. Then dipped. The increased again.
Scotland however has seen this decline since 2002 until 2015. Since then it was roughly the same. Then it enjoyed and even larger uptick than England and Wales.
your a bluffer who talks shite "
Is there a need for such vulgar posting...??
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By *haverMan
over a year ago
bracknell |
Having paid £16 pounds for a med wine and a pint I can only see gloom for the pubs I would rather stay at home and drink ,this party and the others think that raising taxes is the cure but I'm pretty pi##ed off with paying taxes ,vat ect ,just a disguise for a government cash cow ,destroying what little pleasures we have left ,next they will be taxing the air we breathe ,time for a revolution and get a better party in for the people not blue ,red or yellow and certainly not green |
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By *addad99Man
over a year ago
Rotherham /newquay |
"It'll only encourage people to either brew their own or get it elsewhere. Adding to this what will the people who are addicted? Will their benefits increase with the price increase?
Not that any of these points effect me at all as I'm not a big drinker and when I do drink I prefer a below 4% ale "
all welcome to my bar no increase madri £2 a pint |
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By *otMe66Man
over a year ago
Terra Firma |
"It'll only encourage people to either brew their own or get it elsewhere. Adding to this what will the people who are addicted? Will their benefits increase with the price increase?
Not that any of these points effect me at all as I'm not a big drinker and when I do drink I prefer a below 4% ale all welcome to my bar no increase madri £2 a pint "
The last time I paid £2 for a pint there were only 4 tv channels to choose from.
Where is this mythical bar of yours, I’m on my way |
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By *addad99Man
over a year ago
Rotherham /newquay |
"It'll only encourage people to either brew their own or get it elsewhere. Adding to this what will the people who are addicted? Will their benefits increase with the price increase?
Not that any of these points effect me at all as I'm not a big drinker and when I do drink I prefer a below 4% ale all welcome to my bar no increase madri £2 a pint
The last time I paid £2 for a pint there were only 4 tv channels to choose from.
Where is this mythical bar of yours, I’m on my way "
in my back garden just had a new Barrell delivered Monday 170 for 88 pints |
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"It'll only encourage people to either brew their own or get it elsewhere. Adding to this what will the people who are addicted? Will their benefits increase with the price increase?
Not that any of these points effect me at all as I'm not a big drinker and when I do drink I prefer a below 4% ale all welcome to my bar no increase madri £2 a pint
The last time I paid £2 for a pint there were only 4 tv channels to choose from.
Where is this mythical bar of yours, I’m on my way in my back garden just had a new Barrell delivered Monday 170 for 88 pints"
How you getting through that in a month?  |
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By *otMe66Man
over a year ago
Terra Firma |
"It'll only encourage people to either brew their own or get it elsewhere. Adding to this what will the people who are addicted? Will their benefits increase with the price increase?
Not that any of these points effect me at all as I'm not a big drinker and when I do drink I prefer a below 4% ale all welcome to my bar no increase madri £2 a pint
The last time I paid £2 for a pint there were only 4 tv channels to choose from.
Where is this mythical bar of yours, I’m on my way in my back garden just had a new Barrell delivered Monday 170 for 88 pints
How you getting through that in a month? "
Where did you get a month from |
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"It'll only encourage people to either brew their own or get it elsewhere. Adding to this what will the people who are addicted? Will their benefits increase with the price increase?
Not that any of these points effect me at all as I'm not a big drinker and when I do drink I prefer a below 4% ale all welcome to my bar no increase madri £2 a pint
The last time I paid £2 for a pint there were only 4 tv channels to choose from.
Where is this mythical bar of yours, I’m on my way in my back garden just had a new Barrell delivered Monday 170 for 88 pints
How you getting through that in a month?
Where did you get a month from "
That's about a week for some I use to drink 10 pints a night on a week night |
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By *otMe66Man
over a year ago
Terra Firma |
"It'll only encourage people to either brew their own or get it elsewhere. Adding to this what will the people who are addicted? Will their benefits increase with the price increase?
Not that any of these points effect me at all as I'm not a big drinker and when I do drink I prefer a below 4% ale all welcome to my bar no increase madri £2 a pint
The last time I paid £2 for a pint there were only 4 tv channels to choose from.
Where is this mythical bar of yours, I’m on my way in my back garden just had a new Barrell delivered Monday 170 for 88 pints
How you getting through that in a month?
Where did you get a month from
That's about a week for some I use to drink 10 pints a night on a week night "
I have neither the bladder, balance or time to drink 10 pints in one sitting, that sounds like torture.
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By *addad99Man
over a year ago
Rotherham /newquay |
"It'll only encourage people to either brew their own or get it elsewhere. Adding to this what will the people who are addicted? Will their benefits increase with the price increase?
Not that any of these points effect me at all as I'm not a big drinker and when I do drink I prefer a below 4% ale all welcome to my bar no increase madri £2 a pint
The last time I paid £2 for a pint there were only 4 tv channels to choose from.
Where is this mythical bar of yours, I’m on my way in my back garden just had a new Barrell delivered Monday 170 for 88 pints
How you getting through that in a month? "
couple pints a night more at weekend mates round sometimes might only last a couple of weeks depending on if I have a party doesn't last long unless im on my own or away |
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over a year ago
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"You are literally denying reality
https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/deaths/bulletins/alcoholspecificdeathsintheuk/2021registrations#:~:text=Alcohol%2Dspecific%20deaths%20have%20risen%20sharply%20since%202019.,100%2C000%20over%20the%20same%20period"
Interesting.
MUP was 2018, right?
Imo one needs to look at both Scotland trend plus the wider trend.
Yes, Scotland has gone up. By 1 person per 100,000. But the others have gone up by 2-3.
And Scotland had a higher start point too. So a eevn smaller % increase.
It's a complex world. Lots of factors. Some will be general (eg covid and lockdowns). Some will be country specific.
We didn't know what Scotland would have done without the tax change. Maybe it would have been flat. Maybe it would have been 3 extra per 100,000.
That's why we look at both inter and intra trends.
Although, I suspect you know this.
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"It'll only encourage people to either brew their own or get it elsewhere. Adding to this what will the people who are addicted? Will their benefits increase with the price increase?
Not that any of these points effect me at all as I'm not a big drinker and when I do drink I prefer a below 4% ale all welcome to my bar no increase madri £2 a pint
The last time I paid £2 for a pint there were only 4 tv channels to choose from.
Where is this mythical bar of yours, I’m on my way in my back garden just had a new Barrell delivered Monday 170 for 88 pints
How you getting through that in a month?
Where did you get a month from
That's about a week for some I use to drink 10 pints a night on a week night "
10 pints a night?? |
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"It'll only encourage people to either brew their own or get it elsewhere. Adding to this what will the people who are addicted? Will their benefits increase with the price increase?
Not that any of these points effect me at all as I'm not a big drinker and when I do drink I prefer a below 4% ale all welcome to my bar no increase madri £2 a pint
The last time I paid £2 for a pint there were only 4 tv channels to choose from.
Where is this mythical bar of yours, I’m on my way in my back garden just had a new Barrell delivered Monday 170 for 88 pints
How you getting through that in a month? couple pints a night more at weekend mates round sometimes might only last a couple of weeks depending on if I have a party doesn't last long unless im on my own or away "
Have you had your liver function checked recently?? Might be an idea |
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By *addad99Man
over a year ago
Rotherham /newquay |
"It'll only encourage people to either brew their own or get it elsewhere. Adding to this what will the people who are addicted? Will their benefits increase with the price increase?
Not that any of these points effect me at all as I'm not a big drinker and when I do drink I prefer a below 4% ale all welcome to my bar no increase madri £2 a pint
The last time I paid £2 for a pint there were only 4 tv channels to choose from.
Where is this mythical bar of yours, I’m on my way in my back garden just had a new Barrell delivered Monday 170 for 88 pints
How you getting through that in a month? couple pints a night more at weekend mates round sometimes might only last a couple of weeks depending on if I have a party doesn't last long unless im on my own or away
Have you had your liver function checked recently?? Might be an idea "
why we all die might as well enjoy it |
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"It'll only encourage people to either brew their own or get it elsewhere. Adding to this what will the people who are addicted? Will their benefits increase with the price increase?
Not that any of these points effect me at all as I'm not a big drinker and when I do drink I prefer a below 4% ale all welcome to my bar no increase madri £2 a pint
The last time I paid £2 for a pint there were only 4 tv channels to choose from.
Where is this mythical bar of yours, I’m on my way "
There's a place called the angel.inn in Leeds that I think was £1.98 a pint in 2015 |
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"You are literally denying reality
https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/deaths/bulletins/alcoholspecificdeathsintheuk/2021registrations#:~:text=Alcohol%2Dspecific%20deaths%20have%20risen%20sharply%20since%202019.,100%2C000%20over%20the%20same%20period
Interesting.
MUP was 2018, right?
Imo one needs to look at both Scotland trend plus the wider trend.
Yes, Scotland has gone up. By 1 person per 100,000. But the others have gone up by 2-3.
And Scotland had a higher start point too. So a eevn smaller % increase.
It's a complex world. Lots of factors. Some will be general (eg covid and lockdowns). Some will be country specific.
We didn't know what Scotland would have done without the tax change. Maybe it would have been flat. Maybe it would have been 3 extra per 100,000.
That's why we look at both inter and intra trends.
Although, I suspect you know this.
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Scotland was on a long downward.trend from.2002 ish. Then rose once minimumnpricing was introduced.
The others didn't rise s quickly as Scotland.
I disagree using other coutnries. Differing cultures.
Use previous trends.
I would have atleast expected Sctoalnd to level out under MUP. The cold hard fact is, it didn't. And using the growth of England and Wales in the intervening years as a guide when Scotland was declining is extremely disingenuous.
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"You are literally denying reality
https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/deaths/bulletins/alcoholspecificdeathsintheuk/2021registrations#:~:text=Alcohol%2Dspecific%20deaths%20have%20risen%20sharply%20since%202019.,100%2C000%20over%20the%20same%20period
Interesting.
MUP was 2018, right?
Imo one needs to look at both Scotland trend plus the wider trend.
Yes, Scotland has gone up. By 1 person per 100,000. But the others have gone up by 2-3.
And Scotland had a higher start point too. So a eevn smaller % increase.
It's a complex world. Lots of factors. Some will be general (eg covid and lockdowns). Some will be country specific.
We didn't know what Scotland would have done without the tax change. Maybe it would have been flat. Maybe it would have been 3 extra per 100,000.
That's why we look at both inter and intra trends.
Although, I suspect you know this.
Scotland was on a long downward.trend from.2002 ish. Then rose once minimumnpricing was introduced.
The others didn't rise s quickly as Scotland.
I disagree using other coutnries. Differing cultures.
Use previous trends.
I would have atleast expected Sctoalnd to level out under MUP. The cold hard fact is, it didn't. And using the growth of England and Wales in the intervening years as a guide when Scotland was declining is extremely disingenuous.
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I guess its far back you look at trends. It had trended up since 2012. Something interesting has kicked in the six years before that I agree.
Imo you look at as much data as you can. It's a combo of culture overlaid with common experiences such as covid. If every country in the world doubled its death rate other than Scotland, is be loathe to ignore that data)
(id also need to know what leads to alcohol specific death rates to form a view of his quickly if expect to see change)/ |
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"It'll only encourage people to either brew their own or get it elsewhere. Adding to this what will the people who are addicted? Will their benefits increase with the price increase?
Not that any of these points effect me at all as I'm not a big drinker and when I do drink I prefer a below 4% ale all welcome to my bar no increase madri £2 a pint
The last time I paid £2 for a pint there were only 4 tv channels to choose from.
Where is this mythical bar of yours, I’m on my way in my back garden just had a new Barrell delivered Monday 170 for 88 pints
How you getting through that in a month? couple pints a night more at weekend mates round sometimes might only last a couple of weeks depending on if I have a party doesn't last long unless im on my own or away
Have you had your liver function checked recently?? Might be an idea why we all die might as well enjoy it "
True, but pickling your liver is a slow and very painful way to do it  |
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"It'll only encourage people to either brew their own or get it elsewhere. Adding to this what will the people who are addicted? Will their benefits increase with the price increase?
Not that any of these points effect me at all as I'm not a big drinker and when I do drink I prefer a below 4% ale all welcome to my bar no increase madri £2 a pint
The last time I paid £2 for a pint there were only 4 tv channels to choose from.
Where is this mythical bar of yours, I’m on my way in my back garden just had a new Barrell delivered Monday 170 for 88 pints
How you getting through that in a month?
Where did you get a month from
That's about a week for some I use to drink 10 pints a night on a week night
I have neither the bladder, balance or time to drink 10 pints in one sitting, that sounds like torture.
Did you work or drive the following day?"
Yer it was just the norm pub at about 7ish 4 pints an hour or there abouts was about 22 the more you drink the more the body gets use to it. |
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"It'll only encourage people to either brew their own or get it elsewhere. Adding to this what will the people who are addicted? Will their benefits increase with the price increase?
Not that any of these points effect me at all as I'm not a big drinker and when I do drink I prefer a below 4% ale all welcome to my bar no increase madri £2 a pint
The last time I paid £2 for a pint there were only 4 tv channels to choose from.
Where is this mythical bar of yours, I’m on my way in my back garden just had a new Barrell delivered Monday 170 for 88 pints
How you getting through that in a month? couple pints a night more at weekend mates round sometimes might only last a couple of weeks depending on if I have a party doesn't last long unless im on my own or away
Have you had your liver function checked recently?? Might be an idea "
When I met the wife she had me get my LFT tested all good. |
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"Another tax increase. As usual it’s under the guise of “it’s for your own well-being”.
Same old same old."
I don't hear anyone saying that the tax raise is for our own good. Where are you hearing that? |
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