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"I enjoy a good generalisation as much as the next person "And some are true! | |||
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"Meh, so are all the other politicians, its all a big old agenda" Really? Lying racist pm? Ffs | |||
"Meh, so are all the other politicians, its all a big old agenda Really? Lying racist pm? Ffs " Name one pm that didn't do us over in some way | |||
"Simple! Tories are lying twots! That’s it!! " Don’t forget the right wing media owned by billionaires who don’t pay tax or live in this country, but determined to destroy it. Fuck the Tories. Fuck anyone on this thread trying to defend their record. Don’t buy the fucking Sun And yes, I’ve had a drink or three  | |||
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"simple lets get rid of the tories time for change,, bunch of wankers" This!! | |||
"Simple! Tories are lying twots! That’s it!! Don’t forget the right wing media owned by billionaires who don’t pay tax or live in this country, but determined to destroy it. Fuck the Tories. Fuck anyone on this thread trying to defend their record. Don’t buy the fucking Sun And yes, I’ve had a drink or three "Yes!!! | |||
"Meh, so are all the other politicians, its all a big old agenda Really? Lying racist pm? Ffs " Nobody cares that he’s a racist unfortunately. | |||
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"Meh, so are all the other politicians, its all a big old agenda Really? Lying racist pm? Ffs Nobody cares that he’s a racist unfortunately. " How are they allowed to vote? | |||
"Meh, so are all the other politicians, its all a big old agenda Really? Lying racist pm? Ffs " And the Labour Party under Corbyn was served with an unlawful act notice after an investigation into antisemitic racism by the Equality and Human Rights Commission just a couple of years ago. Hobson's choice. 
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"Meh, so are all the other politicians, its all a big old agenda Really? Lying racist pm? Ffs Nobody cares that he’s a racist unfortunately. How are they allowed to vote? " Because introducing subjectivities into the franchise is a good way for the franchise to be shrunk. I don't trust any politician to exercise that kind of discretion, even if its initial application might be morally pleasing to me | |||
"Meh, so are all the other politicians, its all a big old agenda Really? Lying racist pm? Ffs Nobody cares that he’s a racist unfortunately. How are they allowed to vote? Because introducing subjectivities into the franchise is a good way for the franchise to be shrunk. I don't trust any politician to exercise that kind of discretion, even if its initial application might be morally pleasing to me" Understood | |||
"Simple! Tories are lying twots! That’s it!! " You mean politicians or the people who voted for them, or both? I'm pretty sure every political party are lying twats. | |||
"Meh, so are all the other politicians, its all a big old agenda Really? Lying racist pm? Ffs And the Labour Party under Corbyn was served with an unlawful act notice after an investigation into antisemitic racism by the Equality and Human Rights Commission just a couple of years ago. Hobson's choice.
Bess x"Corbyn lost. Many people cited the antisemitism as reasons not to vote for him or labour. Boris, the racist islamophobe, won and people celebrated it.  | |||
"Meh, so are all the other politicians, its all a big old agenda Really? Lying racist pm? Ffs And the Labour Party under Corbyn was served with an unlawful act notice after an investigation into antisemitic racism by the Equality and Human Rights Commission just a couple of years ago. Hobson's choice.
Bess x
Corbyn lost. Many people cited the antisemitism as reasons not to vote for him or labour.
Boris, the racist islamophobe, won and people celebrated it. "Unbelievable !!! | |||
"Simple! Tories are lying twots! That’s it!! You mean politicians or the people who voted for them, or both? I'm pretty sure every political party are lying twats." But one had a fella who was sacked three times fir lying! | |||
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"Lots of both sides nonsense in this thread, why don't we look at the numbers? This is for ads served by both parties on Facebook during the last election (2019): https://firstdraftnews.org/articles/thousands-of-misleading-conservative-ads-side-step-scrutiny-thanks-to-facebook-policy/ Percentage of misleading ads by the Tories: 88% Percentage of misleading ads by Labour: 6.7%" G Yep | |||
"Meh, so are all the other politicians, its all a big old agenda Really? Lying racist pm? Ffs And the Labour Party under Corbyn was served with an unlawful act notice after an investigation into antisemitic racism by the Equality and Human Rights Commission just a couple of years ago. Hobson's choice.
Bess x
Corbyn lost. Many people cited the antisemitism as reasons not to vote for him or labour.
Boris, the racist islamophobe, won and people celebrated it. "I know where you're coming from because I've read some of your other posts. You believe that a few racist remarks that were apologised for to be somehow on par with an entire party being found guilty of antisemitic racism by a recognised international body? Politics is always a lesser of two, or more, evils. Whilst I don't condone his remarks, Boris, by far, was the lesser. Bess x | |||
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"Meh, so are all the other politicians, its all a big old agenda Really? Lying racist pm? Ffs And the Labour Party under Corbyn was served with an unlawful act notice after an investigation into antisemitic racism by the Equality and Human Rights Commission just a couple of years ago. Hobson's choice.
Bess x
Corbyn lost. Many people cited the antisemitism as reasons not to vote for him or labour.
Boris, the racist islamophobe, won and people celebrated it.
I know where you're coming from because I've read some of your other posts. You believe that a few racist remarks that were apologised for to be somehow on par with an entire party being found guilty of antisemitic racism by a recognised international body? Politics is always a lesser of two, or more, evils. Whilst I don't condone his remarks, Boris, by far, was the lesser.
Bess x "There’s Boris and his ‘few racist remarks’  . And there’s also the… I can’t remember? Windrush scandal? Where people died?? I’m not also mentioning the islamophobes that were also in the Tory party. Sorry but it’s not a competition. There’s no lesser of two evils. I am fine with people hating Corbyn. But there’s no justification for celebrating Boris winning. It completely undermines the concerns of a minorities group about their victory.
Mate Boris could’ve called Black people piccininnies and literally nothing else and it is still justification for him not to be the prime minister of this fucking country. He said more though. And the mainstream media never held him accountable or his party for their racism throughout that entire election campaign. It’s disheartening to say the least. | |||
"Meh, so are all the other politicians, its all a big old agenda Really? Lying racist pm? Ffs And the Labour Party under Corbyn was served with an unlawful act notice after an investigation into antisemitic racism by the Equality and Human Rights Commission just a couple of years ago. Hobson's choice.
Bess x
Corbyn lost. Many people cited the antisemitism as reasons not to vote for him or labour.
Boris, the racist islamophobe, won and people celebrated it.
I know where you're coming from because I've read some of your other posts. You believe that a few racist remarks that were apologised for to be somehow on par with an entire party being found guilty of antisemitic racism by a recognised international body? Politics is always a lesser of two, or more, evils. Whilst I don't condone his remarks, Boris, by far, was the lesser.
Bess x
There’s Boris and his ‘few racist remarks’ . And there’s also the… I can’t remember? Windrush scandal? Where people died?? I’m not also mentioning the islamophobes that were also in the Tory party. Sorry but it’s not a competition. There’s no lesser of two evils. I am fine with people hating Corbyn. But there’s no justification for celebrating Boris winning. It completely undermines the concerns of a minorities group about their victory.
Mate Boris could’ve called Black people piccininnies and literally nothing else and it is still justification for him not to be the prime minister of this fucking country. He said more though. And the mainstream media never held him accountable or his party for their racism throughout that entire election campaign. It’s disheartening to say the least. "this | |||
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Ps. I'm not advocating not voting. He also said, don't vote, it only encourages them | |||
"Meh, so are all the other politicians, its all a big old agenda Really? Lying racist pm? Ffs And the Labour Party under Corbyn was served with an unlawful act notice after an investigation into antisemitic racism by the Equality and Human Rights Commission just a couple of years ago. Hobson's choice.
Bess x
Corbyn lost. Many people cited the antisemitism as reasons not to vote for him or labour.
Boris, the racist islamophobe, won and people celebrated it.
I know where you're coming from because I've read some of your other posts. You believe that a few racist remarks that were apologised for to be somehow on par with an entire party being found guilty of antisemitic racism by a recognised international body? Politics is always a lesser of two, or more, evils. Whilst I don't condone his remarks, Boris, by far, was the lesser.
Bess x
There’s Boris and his ‘few racist remarks’ . And there’s also the… I can’t remember? Windrush scandal? Where people died?? I’m not also mentioning the islamophobes that were also in the Tory party. Sorry but it’s not a competition. There’s no lesser of two evils. I am fine with people hating Corbyn. But there’s no justification for celebrating Boris winning. It completely undermines the concerns of a minorities group about their victory.
Mate Boris could’ve called Black people piccininnies and literally nothing else and it is still justification for him not to be the prime minister of this fucking country. He said more though. And the mainstream media never held him accountable or his party for their racism throughout that entire election campaign. It’s disheartening to say the least. "Ok, I see you're just blindly following your usual agenda. I'll leave you to it. Bess x  | |||
"Simple! Tories are lying twots! That’s it!! " You are severely confused, politicians are lying twots. It doesn't matter which party they belong to, they are just the same. | |||
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"Meh, so are all the other politicians, its all a big old agenda Really? Lying racist pm? Ffs And the Labour Party under Corbyn was served with an unlawful act notice after an investigation into antisemitic racism by the Equality and Human Rights Commission just a couple of years ago. Hobson's choice.
Bess x
Corbyn lost. Many people cited the antisemitism as reasons not to vote for him or labour.
Boris, the racist islamophobe, won and people celebrated it.
I know where you're coming from because I've read some of your other posts. You believe that a few racist remarks that were apologised for to be somehow on par with an entire party being found guilty of antisemitic racism by a recognised international body? Politics is always a lesser of two, or more, evils. Whilst I don't condone his remarks, Boris, by far, was the lesser.
Bess x
There’s Boris and his ‘few racist remarks’ . And there’s also the… I can’t remember? Windrush scandal? Where people died?? I’m not also mentioning the islamophobes that were also in the Tory party. Sorry but it’s not a competition. There’s no lesser of two evils. I am fine with people hating Corbyn. But there’s no justification for celebrating Boris winning. It completely undermines the concerns of a minorities group about their victory.
Mate Boris could’ve called Black people piccininnies and literally nothing else and it is still justification for him not to be the prime minister of this fucking country. He said more though. And the mainstream media never held him accountable or his party for their racism throughout that entire election campaign. It’s disheartening to say the least.
Ok, I see you're just blindly following your usual agenda. I'll leave you to it.
Bess x " well said. | |||
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"[Removed by poster at 29/07/23 23:43:58] Wow " i agree | |||
"Meh, so are all the other politicians, its all a big old agenda Really? Lying racist pm? Ffs And the Labour Party under Corbyn was served with an unlawful act notice after an investigation into antisemitic racism by the Equality and Human Rights Commission just a couple of years ago. Hobson's choice.
Bess x
Corbyn lost. Many people cited the antisemitism as reasons not to vote for him or labour.
Boris, the racist islamophobe, won and people celebrated it.
I know where you're coming from because I've read some of your other posts. You believe that a few racist remarks that were apologised for to be somehow on par with an entire party being found guilty of antisemitic racism by a recognised international body? Politics is always a lesser of two, or more, evils. Whilst I don't condone his remarks, Boris, by far, was the lesser.
Bess x
There’s Boris and his ‘few racist remarks’ . And there’s also the… I can’t remember? Windrush scandal? Where people died?? I’m not also mentioning the islamophobes that were also in the Tory party. Sorry but it’s not a competition. There’s no lesser of two evils. I am fine with people hating Corbyn. But there’s no justification for celebrating Boris winning. It completely undermines the concerns of a minorities group about their victory.
Mate Boris could’ve called Black people piccininnies and literally nothing else and it is still justification for him not to be the prime minister of this fucking country. He said more though. And the mainstream media never held him accountable or his party for their racism throughout that entire election campaign. It’s disheartening to say the least.
Ok, I see you're just blindly following your usual agenda. I'll leave you to it.
Bess x "Ah yes. Me and my ‘agenda’. Truly hilarious. But just to clear this up, if you think I’m acting like labour are saints here I’m not. If you think I’m acting like antisemitism isn’t important and valid concern, I’m not. In fact, none of my issues with the Tories, including them being racist has anything to do with labour.
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"I enjoy a good generalisation as much as the next person "Does that make it wrong? | |||
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"Meh, so are all the other politicians, its all a big old agenda Really? Lying racist pm? Ffs And the Labour Party under Corbyn was served with an unlawful act notice after an investigation into antisemitic racism by the Equality and Human Rights Commission just a couple of years ago. Hobson's choice.
Bess x
Corbyn lost. Many people cited the antisemitism as reasons not to vote for him or labour.
Boris, the racist islamophobe, won and people celebrated it.
I know where you're coming from because I've read some of your other posts. You believe that a few racist remarks that were apologised for to be somehow on par with an entire party being found guilty of antisemitic racism by a recognised international body? Politics is always a lesser of two, or more, evils. Whilst I don't condone his remarks, Boris, by far, was the lesser.
Bess x
There’s Boris and his ‘few racist remarks’ . And there’s also the… I can’t remember? Windrush scandal? Where people died?? I’m not also mentioning the islamophobes that were also in the Tory party. Sorry but it’s not a competition. There’s no lesser of two evils. I am fine with people hating Corbyn. But there’s no justification for celebrating Boris winning. It completely undermines the concerns of a minorities group about their victory.
Mate Boris could’ve called Black people piccininnies and literally nothing else and it is still justification for him not to be the prime minister of this fucking country. He said more though. And the mainstream media never held him accountable or his party for their racism throughout that entire election campaign. It’s disheartening to say the least. "Why do you call my (and your) country this "fucking country"? It's offensive.If you don't like it,leave. | |||
"They are all the same. The colour of their tie doesnt matter a jot. " I recon so josey | |||
"Why do you call my (and your) country this "fucking country"? It's offensive.If you don't like it,leave."
Goodnight, brudda. | |||
"Why do you call my (and your) country this "fucking country"? It's offensive.If you don't like it,leave.
Goodnight, brudda. "No coherent answer.says it all.pathetic. | |||
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"Why do you call my (and your) country this "fucking country"? It's offensive.If you don't like it,leave.
Goodnight, brudda.
No coherent answer.says it all.pathetic."Pathetic? What a juvenile insult. Come harder | |||
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"I'd still rather live here than Saudi Arabia, or North Korea, or Somalia. " I’d live in Saudi Arabia for €700M a year. | |||
"I'd still rather live here than Saudi Arabia, or North Korea, or Somalia. I’d live in Saudi Arabia for €700M a year. " Shiek Pickle? | |||
"Ah speaking as a American it's the same bullshit here. Crazy isn't it? " No its not the same bullshit as what You got there . as they say everything in america bigger Bullshit certainly is . | |||
"I'd still rather live here than Saudi Arabia, or North Korea, or Somalia. I’d live in Saudi Arabia for €700M a year. Shiek Pickle? " You can shake something for me  | |||
"I'd still rather live here than Saudi Arabia, or North Korea, or Somalia. I’d live in Saudi Arabia for €700M a year. " So would I, but I'm a white woman and wouldn't get the same opportunity or treatment 
Plus I'd be shit at football too | |||
"It's clear from the replies that no one reads the rest of the thread before responding lol. To reiterate, it's been proven that: Of all the ads run by the Tories on Facebook during the 2019 election, 88% were found to be misleading. In contrast, the number was 6.7% for Labour. But I'm sure there'll be many more people who'll keep repeating party affiliation doesn't matter, they're all liars, etc. Also, that's such a pessimistic viewpoint to have when we have a democratic system." Agreed. The "they're all the same bullshit" is just that - bullshit. The others, however uninspiring, are nowhere near as bad as the tories. | |||
"Why do you call my (and your) country this "fucking country"? It's offensive.If you don't like it,leave.
Goodnight, brudda.
No coherent answer.says it all.pathetic.
Pathetic? What a juvenile insult. Come harder
"It wasn't an insult it was an observation,please try and keep up. I feel sorry for you.I can't imagine what it must be like for you to live you're life in absolute terror of what other people might might say .you must have a terribly dark ugly depressed soul. | |||
"I'd still rather live here than Saudi Arabia, or North Korea, or Somalia. I’d live in Saudi Arabia for €700M a year. So would I, but I'm a white woman and wouldn't get the same opportunity or treatment
Plus I'd be shit at football too " i reckon you’re as good at football as some of the players in that league  | |||
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"Meh, so are all the other politicians, its all a big old agenda Really? Lying racist pm? Ffs And the Labour Party under Corbyn was served with an unlawful act notice after an investigation into antisemitic racism by the Equality and Human Rights Commission just a couple of years ago. Hobson's choice.
Bess x"Yeah but the left think it's ok to hate jews. And gays. | |||
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"Meh, so are all the other politicians, its all a big old agenda Really? Lying racist pm? Ffs And the Labour Party under Corbyn was served with an unlawful act notice after an investigation into antisemitic racism by the Equality and Human Rights Commission just a couple of years ago. Hobson's choice.
Bess x
Yeah but the left think it's ok to hate jews. And gays. "And everyone who has a different opinion."scum" "lynch Esther Mcvay" when asked to condemn those comments Keir "don't know what to think unless a Focus group tells me" Starmer said "oh dear ,I thought we were having a sensible conversation",on record in Hansard. | |||
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"My aunt became a local conservative MP, and then an active member of Scottish Parliament eons ago. She started out as a hairdresser, who built her own business, raising two kids as a single mum in a tenament. Wanted to make change in her local community, and did exactly that. The labour rep at the time did fuck all for anyone in their area... So, no whilst she might not have agreed with all the party politics, she stepped the fuck up, and made an actual difference to her area vs bitching about 'government'... So, what have you done to help your postcode out recently? " | |||
"Ah speaking as a American it's the same bullshit here. Crazy isn't it? No its not the same bullshit as what You got there . as they say everything in america bigger Bullshit certainly is ." It's how we roll. We are the bastard children of Europe. | |||
"Ah speaking as a American it's the same bullshit here. Crazy isn't it? No its not the same bullshit as what You got there . as they say everything in america bigger Bullshit certainly is . It's how we roll. We are the bastard children of Europe. " I think there's more than just European lineage over there. You might have noticed? | |||
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"Ah speaking as a American it's the same bullshit here. Crazy isn't it? No its not the same bullshit as what You got there . as they say everything in america bigger Bullshit certainly is . It's how we roll. We are the bastard children of Europe. I think there's more than just European lineage over there. You might have noticed? " I sure do but what lineage is predominant? Us bastards | |||
"Love the old torys, under thatcher my parents bought their council house for £13000...now valued at £200000 and we had holidays to France and Spain,thank you Maggie x" And this is the very reason why the housing crisis is as bad as it is. If I were running the country I'd take back all the council properties with no compensation and make them return them to their original state... harsh, yes. But it's what is needed. | |||
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"Love the old torys, under thatcher my parents bought their council house for £13000...now valued at £200000 and we had holidays to France and Spain,thank you Maggie x And this is the very reason why the housing crisis is as bad as it is. If I were running the country I'd take back all the council properties with no compensation and make them return them to their original state... harsh, yes. But it's what is needed. " What a foolish ideal. The council houses were sold off as they weren't fit to pass standards even back then. C | |||
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"Love the old torys, under thatcher my parents bought their council house for £13000...now valued at £200000 and we had holidays to France and Spain,thank you Maggie x And this is the very reason why the housing crisis is as bad as it is. If I were running the country I'd take back all the council properties with no compensation and make them return them to their original state... harsh, yes. But it's what is needed. What a foolish ideal. The council houses were sold off as they weren't fit to pass standards even back then. C" They were more than fit for living in and available for people who couldn't get in the housing ladder. Why should anyone who has been living in a subsidised rental property have the right to buy it for a heavily discounted price. Some councils are still made to pay for repairs for up to 10 years after the house has been privately purchased. It stinks!!!... now, having said all this I've never been lucky enough to have been granted a council rental. Would I have bought mine if I had been?.. that, I cannot answer, I quite possibly would have been tempted. But we'll never know one way or the other. | |||
"I am asking being American what makes the UK so much better? Healthcare the empathy the government control? " I digress you all are you. Just like we are. Some similarities that's it. My curiosity take over sometimes. Can't change you all just like you are not going to change us. | |||
"Love the old torys, under thatcher my parents bought their council house for £13000...now valued at £200000 and we had holidays to France and Spain,thank you Maggie x And this is the very reason why the housing crisis is as bad as it is. If I were running the country I'd take back all the council properties with no compensation and make them return them to their original state... harsh, yes. But it's what is needed. " Are you living in council housing then? Which no longer exists... I live in council stock that's moved to association... I've paid full rent for 21yrs... Yes, reduced but still in line with local rental prices. During this I've worked full time, raised my child, helped my disabled mum, generally existed.. I'm saving a deposit. I'm 44, and with taxes, rent and so on its hard.. Should you take back my house that I'm paying monthly rent on? Should you take away a discount on a shit heap house that I've paid full rent on for 21yrs that the housing association didn't want to buy?... Should I not have an option to buy a home I've payed 1/3 over on private rent? | |||
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"Love the old torys, under thatcher my parents bought their council house for £13000...now valued at £200000 and we had holidays to France and Spain,thank you Maggie x And this is the very reason why the housing crisis is as bad as it is. If I were running the country I'd take back all the council properties with no compensation and make them return them to their original state... harsh, yes. But it's what is needed. What a foolish ideal. The council houses were sold off as they weren't fit to pass standards even back then. C They were more than fit for living in and available for people who couldn't get in the housing ladder. Why should anyone who has been living in a subsidised rental property have the right to buy it for a heavily discounted price. Some councils are still made to pay for repairs for up to 10 years after the house has been privately purchased. It stinks!!!... now, having said all this I've never been lucky enough to have been granted a council rental. Would I have bought mine if I had been?.. that, I cannot answer, I quite possibly would have been tempted. But we'll never know one way or the other. " The 'repairs'.. I've a broken outside waste/shit drain that they won't actually fix, it's flooded my bath twice. I have literal running damp on the back kitchen wall that you can run your hand up to be soaking wet. The spare bedroom door doesn't close anymore due to structural subsidence... But aside from that it's great | |||
"Love the old torys, under thatcher my parents bought their council house for £13000...now valued at £200000 and we had holidays to France and Spain,thank you Maggie x And this is the very reason why the housing crisis is as bad as it is. If I were running the country I'd take back all the council properties with no compensation and make them return them to their original state... harsh, yes. But it's what is needed. What a foolish ideal. The council houses were sold off as they weren't fit to pass standards even back then. C They were more than fit for living in and available for people who couldn't get in the housing ladder. Why should anyone who has been living in a subsidised rental property have the right to buy it for a heavily discounted price. Some councils are still made to pay for repairs for up to 10 years after the house has been privately purchased. It stinks!!!... now, having said all this I've never been lucky enough to have been granted a council rental. Would I have bought mine if I had been?.. that, I cannot answer, I quite possibly would have been tempted. But we'll never know one way or the other. " they wasnt fit for living in nearly everyone of the people who brought theres on my old council estate had to replace ill fitting windows a few needed new roofs and most had to sort serious damp issues, i remember my mums place as a kid having ice on the inside of the windows during the winter, councils couldnt wait to off load them as they didnt want to do the upkeep of the propertys, part of the reason everything is housing association now | |||
"I am asking being American what makes the UK so much better? Healthcare the empathy the government control? " Not saying it's better. But electoral college vote system that's seriously outdated and open to abuse, the right to buy a weapon without any suitable checks, women's rights and the lack thereof, being able to buy an election, cops shooting people who are running away from a traffic stop are just a few. And that's without going into the lack of access to health care. The USA has more than a couple of issues that I feel make it a less desirable place than this fucking country. And I said 'this fucking country' because I can. No democracy is perfect, some are definitely better than others, the same with political parties. But we shouldn't be arguing with each other, there's should always be room for different opinions. When I saw what was happening on this thread last night, I too bit my tongue and didn't type responses. Anyway, it's just a thought | |||
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"Ah speaking as a American it's the same bullshit here. Crazy isn't it? No its not the same bullshit as what You got there . as they say everything in america bigger Bullshit certainly is . It's how we roll. We are the bastard children of Europe. I think there's more than just European lineage over there. You might have noticed? I sure do but what lineage is predominant? Us bastards "I really don't know. I've not checked the demographic stats. | |||
"Meh, so are all the other politicians, its all a big old agenda Really? Lying racist pm? Ffs And the Labour Party under Corbyn was served with an unlawful act notice after an investigation into antisemitic racism by the Equality and Human Rights Commission just a couple of years ago. Hobson's choice.
Bess x
Corbyn lost. Many people cited the antisemitism as reasons not to vote for him or labour.
Boris, the racist islamophobe, won and people celebrated it.
I know where you're coming from because I've read some of your other posts. You believe that a few racist remarks that were apologised for to be somehow on par with an entire party being found guilty of antisemitic racism by a recognised international body? Politics is always a lesser of two, or more, evils. Whilst I don't condone his remarks, Boris, by far, was the lesser.
Bess x
There’s Boris and his ‘few racist remarks’ . And there’s also the… I can’t remember? Windrush scandal? Where people died?? I’m not also mentioning the islamophobes that were also in the Tory party. Sorry but it’s not a competition. There’s no lesser of two evils. I am fine with people hating Corbyn. But there’s no justification for celebrating Boris winning. It completely undermines the concerns of a minorities group about their victory.
Mate Boris could’ve called Black people piccininnies and literally nothing else and it is still justification for him not to be the prime minister of this fucking country. He said more though. And the mainstream media never held him accountable or his party for their racism throughout that entire election campaign. It’s disheartening to say the least.
Why do you call my (and your) country this "fucking country"?
It's offensive.If you don't like it,leave."One of the great things about the U.K. is that we’re allied to say things like ‘this fucking country’ when it’s pertinent. And it is. We don’t live in a fascist state quite yet. | |||
"Meh, so are all the other politicians, its all a big old agenda Really? Lying racist pm? Ffs And the Labour Party under Corbyn was served with an unlawful act notice after an investigation into antisemitic racism by the Equality and Human Rights Commission just a couple of years ago. Hobson's choice.
Bess x
Yeah but the left think it's ok to hate jews. And gays. "Do they? First I’ve heard, pal. | |||
"Boris Johnson should be behind bars for fraud and gross negligence. When is he going to get investigated in regards to the covid money trails? " . Boris Johnson made many stunning achievements . An 80 seat majority in the 2019 election , winning the war on Covid by being the first country to roll out a vaccination programme and giving unconditional support to Ukraine . One of the greatest politicians in recent years and only driven out by bureaucrats and party members who were jealous of his success. He was a guaranteed election winner. We are all poorer without him | |||
"Boris Johnson should be behind bars for fraud and gross negligence. When is he going to get investigated in regards to the covid money trails? . Boris Johnson made many stunning achievements . An 80 seat majority in the 2019 election , winning the war on Covid by being the first country to roll out a vaccination programme and giving unconditional support to Ukraine . One of the greatest politicians in recent years and only driven out by bureaucrats and party members who were jealous of his success. He was a guaranteed election winner. We are all poorer without him " Oh Pat you do make me laugh. Glad you have finally updated this oft repeated script to remove “award wining vaccination programme” as you kept getting people asking you what award it won and couldn’t answer. Your MO is dangerously exposed Pat! You used to be more subtle and left people scratching their head about whether you were serious. Lately your Top Tory Trolling is becoming too obvious. Less is more Pat! | |||
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"Meh, so are all the other politicians, its all a big old agenda Really? Lying racist pm? Ffs And the Labour Party under Corbyn was served with an unlawful act notice after an investigation into antisemitic racism by the Equality and Human Rights Commission just a couple of years ago. Hobson's choice.
Bess x
Corbyn lost. Many people cited the antisemitism as reasons not to vote for him or labour.
Boris, the racist islamophobe, won and people celebrated it.
I know where you're coming from because I've read some of your other posts. You believe that a few racist remarks that were apologised for to be somehow on par with an entire party being found guilty of antisemitic racism by a recognised international body? Politics is always a lesser of two, or more, evils. Whilst I don't condone his remarks, Boris, by far, was the lesser.
Bess x
There’s Boris and his ‘few racist remarks’ . And there’s also the… I can’t remember? Windrush scandal? Where people died?? I’m not also mentioning the islamophobes that were also in the Tory party. Sorry but it’s not a competition. There’s no lesser of two evils. I am fine with people hating Corbyn. But there’s no justification for celebrating Boris winning. It completely undermines the concerns of a minorities group about their victory.
Mate Boris could’ve called Black people piccininnies and literally nothing else and it is still justification for him not to be the prime minister of this fucking country. He said more though. And the mainstream media never held him accountable or his party for their racism throughout that entire election campaign. It’s disheartening to say the least.
Why do you call my (and your) country this "fucking country"?
It's offensive.If you don't like it,leave.
One of the great things about the U.K. is that we’re allied to say things like ‘this fucking country’ when it’s pertinent. And it is.
We don’t live in a fascist state quite yet. "You should think carefully about this statement, there are plenty of things we can’t say for fear of upsetting a group or person, and if the left do not like something they go out their way to cancel them, in essence removing all their rights to be heard. The left are becoming the very thing they say they hate, but ironically can’t accept or see it because they are the ethical thought police. | |||
" They were more than fit for living in and available for people who couldn't get in the housing ladder. Why should anyone who has been living in a subsidised rental property have the right to buy it for a heavily discounted price. Some councils are still made to pay for repairs for up to 10 years after the house has been privately purchased. It stinks!!!... now, having said all this I've never been lucky enough to have been granted a council rental. Would I have bought mine if I had been?.. that, I cannot answer, I quite possibly would have been tempted. But we'll never know one way or the other. " No they were not hence the mass sell-off. C | |||
"Meh, so are all the other politicians, its all a big old agenda" I agree. It is impossible to find a single party without corruption/skeletons | |||
"Meh, so are all the other politicians, its all a big old agenda Really? Lying racist pm? Ffs And the Labour Party under Corbyn was served with an unlawful act notice after an investigation into antisemitic racism by the Equality and Human Rights Commission just a couple of years ago. Hobson's choice.
Bess x
Corbyn lost. Many people cited the antisemitism as reasons not to vote for him or labour.
Boris, the racist islamophobe, won and people celebrated it.
I know where you're coming from because I've read some of your other posts. You believe that a few racist remarks that were apologised for to be somehow on par with an entire party being found guilty of antisemitic racism by a recognised international body? Politics is always a lesser of two, or more, evils. Whilst I don't condone his remarks, Boris, by far, was the lesser.
Bess x
There’s Boris and his ‘few racist remarks’ . And there’s also the… I can’t remember? Windrush scandal? Where people died?? I’m not also mentioning the islamophobes that were also in the Tory party. Sorry but it’s not a competition. There’s no lesser of two evils. I am fine with people hating Corbyn. But there’s no justification for celebrating Boris winning. It completely undermines the concerns of a minorities group about their victory.
Mate Boris could’ve called Black people piccininnies and literally nothing else and it is still justification for him not to be the prime minister of this fucking country. He said more though. And the mainstream media never held him accountable or his party for their racism throughout that entire election campaign. It’s disheartening to say the least.
Why do you call my (and your) country this "fucking country"?
It's offensive.If you don't like it,leave.
One of the great things about the U.K. is that we’re allied to say things like ‘this fucking country’ when it’s pertinent. And it is.
We don’t live in a fascist state quite yet.
You should think carefully about this statement, there are plenty of things we can’t say for fear of upsetting a group or person, and if the left do not like something they go out their way to cancel them, in essence removing all their rights to be heard. The left are becoming the very thing they say they hate, but ironically can’t accept or see it because they are the ethical thought police."As long as one stays away from hate speech, their right to free speech is protected, is it not? Free speech does not mean freedom from consequences though - an important point that some neglect to mention. | |||
"Meh, so are all the other politicians, its all a big old agenda Really? Lying racist pm? Ffs And the Labour Party under Corbyn was served with an unlawful act notice after an investigation into antisemitic racism by the Equality and Human Rights Commission just a couple of years ago. Hobson's choice.
Bess x
Corbyn lost. Many people cited the antisemitism as reasons not to vote for him or labour.
Boris, the racist islamophobe, won and people celebrated it.
I know where you're coming from because I've read some of your other posts. You believe that a few racist remarks that were apologised for to be somehow on par with an entire party being found guilty of antisemitic racism by a recognised international body? Politics is always a lesser of two, or more, evils. Whilst I don't condone his remarks, Boris, by far, was the lesser.
Bess x
There’s Boris and his ‘few racist remarks’ . And there’s also the… I can’t remember? Windrush scandal? Where people died?? I’m not also mentioning the islamophobes that were also in the Tory party. Sorry but it’s not a competition. There’s no lesser of two evils. I am fine with people hating Corbyn. But there’s no justification for celebrating Boris winning. It completely undermines the concerns of a minorities group about their victory.
Mate Boris could’ve called Black people piccininnies and literally nothing else and it is still justification for him not to be the prime minister of this fucking country. He said more though. And the mainstream media never held him accountable or his party for their racism throughout that entire election campaign. It’s disheartening to say the least.
Why do you call my (and your) country this "fucking country"?
It's offensive.If you don't like it,leave.
One of the great things about the U.K. is that we’re allied to say things like ‘this fucking country’ when it’s pertinent. And it is.
We don’t live in a fascist state quite yet.
You should think carefully about this statement, there are plenty of things we can’t say for fear of upsetting a group or person, and if the left do not like something they go out their way to cancel them, in essence removing all their rights to be heard. The left are becoming the very thing they say they hate, but ironically can’t accept or see it because they are the ethical thought police.
As long as one stays away from hate speech, their right to free speech is protected, is it not?
Free speech does not mean freedom from consequences though - an important point that some neglect to mention.
"The problem with "hate speech" is in the definition of "hate". The left wing in the UK seem to have very fluid definitions of what "hate" actually is. They will twist words and meanings until they convince themselves that what is being said constitutes "hate". We see it on these threads all the time. People who object to men dressing as women and going into vulnerable women's safe spaces are deemed "transphobic" at every turn of the conversation, anybody concerned about excessive immigration is instantly deemed "racist" by those on the left. In your post above where the poster writes "Yeah but the left think it's ok to hate jews. And gays", you respond "Do they? First I’ve heard, pal." How can it be the first you hear about the left hating jews when it's in the post you're responding to? The ECHR made the judgement that what the labour party did, and said, was antisemitic racism, but you dismiss it with "Do they? First I’ve heard, pal." As a Jewish person, I consider that to be hate speech, but you're ok with typing it? You're a hypocrite. Bess x | |||
"Meh, so are all the other politicians, its all a big old agenda Really? Lying racist pm? Ffs And the Labour Party under Corbyn was served with an unlawful act notice after an investigation into antisemitic racism by the Equality and Human Rights Commission just a couple of years ago. Hobson's choice.
Bess x
Corbyn lost. Many people cited the antisemitism as reasons not to vote for him or labour.
Boris, the racist islamophobe, won and people celebrated it.
I know where you're coming from because I've read some of your other posts. You believe that a few racist remarks that were apologised for to be somehow on par with an entire party being found guilty of antisemitic racism by a recognised international body? Politics is always a lesser of two, or more, evils. Whilst I don't condone his remarks, Boris, by far, was the lesser.
Bess x
There’s Boris and his ‘few racist remarks’ . And there’s also the… I can’t remember? Windrush scandal? Where people died?? I’m not also mentioning the islamophobes that were also in the Tory party. Sorry but it’s not a competition. There’s no lesser of two evils. I am fine with people hating Corbyn. But there’s no justification for celebrating Boris winning. It completely undermines the concerns of a minorities group about their victory.
Mate Boris could’ve called Black people piccininnies and literally nothing else and it is still justification for him not to be the prime minister of this fucking country. He said more though. And the mainstream media never held him accountable or his party for their racism throughout that entire election campaign. It’s disheartening to say the least.
Why do you call my (and your) country this "fucking country"?
It's offensive.If you don't like it,leave.
One of the great things about the U.K. is that we’re allied to say things like ‘this fucking country’ when it’s pertinent. And it is.
We don’t live in a fascist state quite yet.
You should think carefully about this statement, there are plenty of things we can’t say for fear of upsetting a group or person, and if the left do not like something they go out their way to cancel them, in essence removing all their rights to be heard. The left are becoming the very thing they say they hate, but ironically can’t accept or see it because they are the ethical thought police.
As long as one stays away from hate speech, their right to free speech is protected, is it not?
Free speech does not mean freedom from consequences though - an important point that some neglect to mention.
The problem with "hate speech" is in the definition of "hate". The left wing in the UK seem to have very fluid definitions of what "hate" actually is. They will twist words and meanings until they convince themselves that what is being said constitutes "hate". We see it on these threads all the time. People who object to men dressing as women and going into vulnerable women's safe spaces are deemed "transphobic" at every turn of the conversation, anybody concerned about excessive immigration is instantly deemed "racist" by those on the left.
In your post above where the poster writes "Yeah but the left think it's ok to hate jews. And gays", you respond "Do they? First I’ve heard, pal." How can it be the first you hear about the left hating jews when it's in the post you're responding to? The ECHR made the judgement that what the labour party did, and said, was antisemitic racism, but you dismiss it with "Do they? First I’ve heard, pal." As a Jewish person, I consider that to be hate speech, but you're ok with typing it? You're a hypocrite.
Bess x
"I’m fully aware of the ECHR ruling, as it happens. What I object to is the blanket description of ‘the left’ as being new haters. Yaxley-Lennon is on the right. He hates Muslims, as do many of his ilk. Is it therefor acceptable to say ‘the right hate Muslims’? No, of course it’s not - and rightly so. | |||
"Meh, so are all the other politicians, its all a big old agenda Really? Lying racist pm? Ffs And the Labour Party under Corbyn was served with an unlawful act notice after an investigation into antisemitic racism by the Equality and Human Rights Commission just a couple of years ago. Hobson's choice.
Bess x
Corbyn lost. Many people cited the antisemitism as reasons not to vote for him or labour.
Boris, the racist islamophobe, won and people celebrated it.
I know where you're coming from because I've read some of your other posts. You believe that a few racist remarks that were apologised for to be somehow on par with an entire party being found guilty of antisemitic racism by a recognised international body? Politics is always a lesser of two, or more, evils. Whilst I don't condone his remarks, Boris, by far, was the lesser.
Bess x
There’s Boris and his ‘few racist remarks’ . And there’s also the… I can’t remember? Windrush scandal? Where people died?? I’m not also mentioning the islamophobes that were also in the Tory party. Sorry but it’s not a competition. There’s no lesser of two evils. I am fine with people hating Corbyn. But there’s no justification for celebrating Boris winning. It completely undermines the concerns of a minorities group about their victory.
Mate Boris could’ve called Black people piccininnies and literally nothing else and it is still justification for him not to be the prime minister of this fucking country. He said more though. And the mainstream media never held him accountable or his party for their racism throughout that entire election campaign. It’s disheartening to say the least.
Why do you call my (and your) country this "fucking country"?
It's offensive.If you don't like it,leave.
One of the great things about the U.K. is that we’re allied to say things like ‘this fucking country’ when it’s pertinent. And it is.
We don’t live in a fascist state quite yet.
You should think carefully about this statement, there are plenty of things we can’t say for fear of upsetting a group or person, and if the left do not like something they go out their way to cancel them, in essence removing all their rights to be heard. The left are becoming the very thing they say they hate, but ironically can’t accept or see it because they are the ethical thought police.
As long as one stays away from hate speech, their right to free speech is protected, is it not?
Free speech does not mean freedom from consequences though - an important point that some neglect to mention.
The problem with "hate speech" is in the definition of "hate". The left wing in the UK seem to have very fluid definitions of what "hate" actually is. They will twist words and meanings until they convince themselves that what is being said constitutes "hate". We see it on these threads all the time. People who object to men dressing as women and going into vulnerable women's safe spaces are deemed "transphobic" at every turn of the conversation, anybody concerned about excessive immigration is instantly deemed "racist" by those on the left.
In your post above where the poster writes "Yeah but the left think it's ok to hate jews. And gays", you respond "Do they? First I’ve heard, pal." How can it be the first you hear about the left hating jews when it's in the post you're responding to? The ECHR made the judgement that what the labour party did, and said, was antisemitic racism, but you dismiss it with "Do they? First I’ve heard, pal." As a Jewish person, I consider that to be hate speech, but you're ok with typing it? You're a hypocrite.
Bess x
I’m fully aware of the ECHR ruling, as it happens. What I object to is the blanket description of ‘the left’ as being new haters.
Yaxley-Lennon is on the right. He hates Muslims, as do many of his ilk. Is it therefor acceptable to say ‘the right hate Muslims’? No, of course it’s not - and rightly so.
"The Labour party was the left wing party ergo. the left. Corbyn still has many many left wing supporters. So.... It's fair to say that the left are as racist as the right. We're not talking centre of either here. | |||
"Meh, so are all the other politicians, its all a big old agenda Really? Lying racist pm? Ffs And the Labour Party under Corbyn was served with an unlawful act notice after an investigation into antisemitic racism by the Equality and Human Rights Commission just a couple of years ago. Hobson's choice.
Bess x
Corbyn lost. Many people cited the antisemitism as reasons not to vote for him or labour.
Boris, the racist islamophobe, won and people celebrated it.
I know where you're coming from because I've read some of your other posts. You believe that a few racist remarks that were apologised for to be somehow on par with an entire party being found guilty of antisemitic racism by a recognised international body? Politics is always a lesser of two, or more, evils. Whilst I don't condone his remarks, Boris, by far, was the lesser.
Bess x
There’s Boris and his ‘few racist remarks’ . And there’s also the… I can’t remember? Windrush scandal? Where people died?? I’m not also mentioning the islamophobes that were also in the Tory party. Sorry but it’s not a competition. There’s no lesser of two evils. I am fine with people hating Corbyn. But there’s no justification for celebrating Boris winning. It completely undermines the concerns of a minorities group about their victory.
Mate Boris could’ve called Black people piccininnies and literally nothing else and it is still justification for him not to be the prime minister of this fucking country. He said more though. And the mainstream media never held him accountable or his party for their racism throughout that entire election campaign. It’s disheartening to say the least.
Why do you call my (and your) country this "fucking country"?
It's offensive.If you don't like it,leave.
One of the great things about the U.K. is that we’re allied to say things like ‘this fucking country’ when it’s pertinent. And it is.
We don’t live in a fascist state quite yet.
You should think carefully about this statement, there are plenty of things we can’t say for fear of upsetting a group or person, and if the left do not like something they go out their way to cancel them, in essence removing all their rights to be heard. The left are becoming the very thing they say they hate, but ironically can’t accept or see it because they are the ethical thought police.
As long as one stays away from hate speech, their right to free speech is protected, is it not?
Free speech does not mean freedom from consequences though - an important point that some neglect to mention.
The problem with "hate speech" is in the definition of "hate". The left wing in the UK seem to have very fluid definitions of what "hate" actually is. They will twist words and meanings until they convince themselves that what is being said constitutes "hate". We see it on these threads all the time. People who object to men dressing as women and going into vulnerable women's safe spaces are deemed "transphobic" at every turn of the conversation, anybody concerned about excessive immigration is instantly deemed "racist" by those on the left.
In your post above where the poster writes "Yeah but the left think it's ok to hate jews. And gays", you respond "Do they? First I’ve heard, pal." How can it be the first you hear about the left hating jews when it's in the post you're responding to? The ECHR made the judgement that what the labour party did, and said, was antisemitic racism, but you dismiss it with "Do they? First I’ve heard, pal." As a Jewish person, I consider that to be hate speech, but you're ok with typing it? You're a hypocrite.
Bess x
I’m fully aware of the ECHR ruling, as it happens. What I object to is the blanket description of ‘the left’ as being new haters.
Yaxley-Lennon is on the right. He hates Muslims, as do many of his ilk. Is it therefor acceptable to say ‘the right hate Muslims’? No, of course it’s not - and rightly so.
The Labour party was the left wing party ergo. the left. Corbyn still has many many left wing supporters.
So....
It's fair to say that the left are as racist as the right.
We're not talking centre of either here. "Let’s clear this up then. Are you staying that “ the left think it's ok to hate jews” (the original quote) | |||
"Meh, so are all the other politicians, its all a big old agenda Really? Lying racist pm? Ffs And the Labour Party under Corbyn was served with an unlawful act notice after an investigation into antisemitic racism by the Equality and Human Rights Commission just a couple of years ago. Hobson's choice.
Bess x
Corbyn lost. Many people cited the antisemitism as reasons not to vote for him or labour.
Boris, the racist islamophobe, won and people celebrated it.
I know where you're coming from because I've read some of your other posts. You believe that a few racist remarks that were apologised for to be somehow on par with an entire party being found guilty of antisemitic racism by a recognised international body? Politics is always a lesser of two, or more, evils. Whilst I don't condone his remarks, Boris, by far, was the lesser.
Bess x
There’s Boris and his ‘few racist remarks’ . And there’s also the… I can’t remember? Windrush scandal? Where people died?? I’m not also mentioning the islamophobes that were also in the Tory party. Sorry but it’s not a competition. There’s no lesser of two evils. I am fine with people hating Corbyn. But there’s no justification for celebrating Boris winning. It completely undermines the concerns of a minorities group about their victory.
Mate Boris could’ve called Black people piccininnies and literally nothing else and it is still justification for him not to be the prime minister of this fucking country. He said more though. And the mainstream media never held him accountable or his party for their racism throughout that entire election campaign. It’s disheartening to say the least.
Why do you call my (and your) country this "fucking country"?
It's offensive.If you don't like it,leave.
One of the great things about the U.K. is that we’re allied to say things like ‘this fucking country’ when it’s pertinent. And it is.
We don’t live in a fascist state quite yet.
You should think carefully about this statement, there are plenty of things we can’t say for fear of upsetting a group or person, and if the left do not like something they go out their way to cancel them, in essence removing all their rights to be heard. The left are becoming the very thing they say they hate, but ironically can’t accept or see it because they are the ethical thought police.
As long as one stays away from hate speech, their right to free speech is protected, is it not?
Free speech does not mean freedom from consequences though - an important point that some neglect to mention.
The problem with "hate speech" is in the definition of "hate". The left wing in the UK seem to have very fluid definitions of what "hate" actually is. They will twist words and meanings until they convince themselves that what is being said constitutes "hate". We see it on these threads all the time. People who object to men dressing as women and going into vulnerable women's safe spaces are deemed "transphobic" at every turn of the conversation, anybody concerned about excessive immigration is instantly deemed "racist" by those on the left.
In your post above where the poster writes "Yeah but the left think it's ok to hate jews. And gays", you respond "Do they? First I’ve heard, pal." How can it be the first you hear about the left hating jews when it's in the post you're responding to? The ECHR made the judgement that what the labour party did, and said, was antisemitic racism, but you dismiss it with "Do they? First I’ve heard, pal." As a Jewish person, I consider that to be hate speech, but you're ok with typing it? You're a hypocrite.
Bess x
I’m fully aware of the ECHR ruling, as it happens. What I object to is the blanket description of ‘the left’ as being new haters.
Yaxley-Lennon is on the right. He hates Muslims, as do many of his ilk. Is it therefor acceptable to say ‘the right hate Muslims’? No, of course it’s not - and rightly so.
The Labour party was the left wing party ergo. the left. Corbyn still has many many left wing supporters.
So....
It's fair to say that the left are as racist as the right.
We're not talking centre of either here.
Let’s clear this up then. Are you staying that “ the left think it's ok to hate jews” (the original quote)
"Labour (the left) got over 10m votes in 2019, all whilst the antisemitism within the party was widely known. Make your own mind up. | |||
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"Meh, so are all the other politicians, its all a big old agenda Really? Lying racist pm? Ffs And the Labour Party under Corbyn was served with an unlawful act notice after an investigation into antisemitic racism by the Equality and Human Rights Commission just a couple of years ago. Hobson's choice.
Bess x
Corbyn lost. Many people cited the antisemitism as reasons not to vote for him or labour.
Boris, the racist islamophobe, won and people celebrated it.
I know where you're coming from because I've read some of your other posts. You believe that a few racist remarks that were apologised for to be somehow on par with an entire party being found guilty of antisemitic racism by a recognised international body? Politics is always a lesser of two, or more, evils. Whilst I don't condone his remarks, Boris, by far, was the lesser.
Bess x
There’s Boris and his ‘few racist remarks’ . And there’s also the… I can’t remember? Windrush scandal? Where people died?? I’m not also mentioning the islamophobes that were also in the Tory party. Sorry but it’s not a competition. There’s no lesser of two evils. I am fine with people hating Corbyn. But there’s no justification for celebrating Boris winning. It completely undermines the concerns of a minorities group about their victory.
Mate Boris could’ve called Black people piccininnies and literally nothing else and it is still justification for him not to be the prime minister of this fucking country. He said more though. And the mainstream media never held him accountable or his party for their racism throughout that entire election campaign. It’s disheartening to say the least.
Why do you call my (and your) country this "fucking country"?
It's offensive.If you don't like it,leave.
One of the great things about the U.K. is that we’re allied to say things like ‘this fucking country’ when it’s pertinent. And it is.
We don’t live in a fascist state quite yet.
You should think carefully about this statement, there are plenty of things we can’t say for fear of upsetting a group or person, and if the left do not like something they go out their way to cancel them, in essence removing all their rights to be heard. The left are becoming the very thing they say they hate, but ironically can’t accept or see it because they are the ethical thought police.
As long as one stays away from hate speech, their right to free speech is protected, is it not?
Free speech does not mean freedom from consequences though - an important point that some neglect to mention.
The problem with "hate speech" is in the definition of "hate". The left wing in the UK seem to have very fluid definitions of what "hate" actually is. They will twist words and meanings until they convince themselves that what is being said constitutes "hate". We see it on these threads all the time. People who object to men dressing as women and going into vulnerable women's safe spaces are deemed "transphobic" at every turn of the conversation, anybody concerned about excessive immigration is instantly deemed "racist" by those on the left.
In your post above where the poster writes "Yeah but the left think it's ok to hate jews. And gays", you respond "Do they? First I’ve heard, pal." How can it be the first you hear about the left hating jews when it's in the post you're responding to? The ECHR made the judgement that what the labour party did, and said, was antisemitic racism, but you dismiss it with "Do they? First I’ve heard, pal." As a Jewish person, I consider that to be hate speech, but you're ok with typing it? You're a hypocrite.
Bess x
I’m fully aware of the ECHR ruling, as it happens. What I object to is the blanket description of ‘the left’ as being new haters.
Yaxley-Lennon is on the right. He hates Muslims, as do many of his ilk. Is it therefor acceptable to say ‘the right hate Muslims’? No, of course it’s not - and rightly so.
The Labour party was the left wing party ergo. the left. Corbyn still has many many left wing supporters.
So....
It's fair to say that the left are as racist as the right.
We're not talking centre of either here.
Let’s clear this up then. Are you staying that “ the left think it's ok to hate jews” (the original quote)
Labour (the left) got over 10m votes in 2019, all whilst the antisemitism within the party was widely known.
Make your own mind up. "Nah uh. A statement was made that I fundamentally disagree with (that ‘the left’ think it’s ok to hate Jews). You’re taking umbrage at me for contesting that remark. Do you believe that ‘the left’ think it’s ok to hate Jews? Yes or no will do. | |||
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"Meh, so are all the other politicians, its all a big old agenda Really? Lying racist pm? Ffs And the Labour Party under Corbyn was served with an unlawful act notice after an investigation into antisemitic racism by the Equality and Human Rights Commission just a couple of years ago. Hobson's choice.
Bess x
Corbyn lost. Many people cited the antisemitism as reasons not to vote for him or labour.
Boris, the racist islamophobe, won and people celebrated it.
I know where you're coming from because I've read some of your other posts. You believe that a few racist remarks that were apologised for to be somehow on par with an entire party being found guilty of antisemitic racism by a recognised international body? Politics is always a lesser of two, or more, evils. Whilst I don't condone his remarks, Boris, by far, was the lesser.
Bess x
There’s Boris and his ‘few racist remarks’ . And there’s also the… I can’t remember? Windrush scandal? Where people died?? I’m not also mentioning the islamophobes that were also in the Tory party. Sorry but it’s not a competition. There’s no lesser of two evils. I am fine with people hating Corbyn. But there’s no justification for celebrating Boris winning. It completely undermines the concerns of a minorities group about their victory.
Mate Boris could’ve called Black people piccininnies and literally nothing else and it is still justification for him not to be the prime minister of this fucking country. He said more though. And the mainstream media never held him accountable or his party for their racism throughout that entire election campaign. It’s disheartening to say the least.
Why do you call my (and your) country this "fucking country"?
It's offensive.If you don't like it,leave.
One of the great things about the U.K. is that we’re allied to say things like ‘this fucking country’ when it’s pertinent. And it is.
We don’t live in a fascist state quite yet.
You should think carefully about this statement, there are plenty of things we can’t say for fear of upsetting a group or person, and if the left do not like something they go out their way to cancel them, in essence removing all their rights to be heard. The left are becoming the very thing they say they hate, but ironically can’t accept or see it because they are the ethical thought police.
As long as one stays away from hate speech, their right to free speech is protected, is it not?
Free speech does not mean freedom from consequences though - an important point that some neglect to mention.
The problem with "hate speech" is in the definition of "hate". The left wing in the UK seem to have very fluid definitions of what "hate" actually is. They will twist words and meanings until they convince themselves that what is being said constitutes "hate". We see it on these threads all the time. People who object to men dressing as women and going into vulnerable women's safe spaces are deemed "transphobic" at every turn of the conversation, anybody concerned about excessive immigration is instantly deemed "racist" by those on the left.
In your post above where the poster writes "Yeah but the left think it's ok to hate jews. And gays", you respond "Do they? First I’ve heard, pal." How can it be the first you hear about the left hating jews when it's in the post you're responding to? The ECHR made the judgement that what the labour party did, and said, was antisemitic racism, but you dismiss it with "Do they? First I’ve heard, pal." As a Jewish person, I consider that to be hate speech, but you're ok with typing it? You're a hypocrite.
Bess x
I’m fully aware of the ECHR ruling, as it happens. What I object to is the blanket description of ‘the left’ as being new haters.
Yaxley-Lennon is on the right. He hates Muslims, as do many of his ilk. Is it therefor acceptable to say ‘the right hate Muslims’? No, of course it’s not - and rightly so.
The Labour party was the left wing party ergo. the left. Corbyn still has many many left wing supporters.
So....
It's fair to say that the left are as racist as the right.
We're not talking centre of either here.
Let’s clear this up then. Are you staying that “ the left think it's ok to hate jews” (the original quote)
Labour (the left) got over 10m votes in 2019, all whilst the antisemitism within the party was widely known.
Make your own mind up.
Nah uh.
A statement was made that I fundamentally disagree with (that ‘the left’ think it’s ok to hate Jews).
You’re taking umbrage at me for contesting that remark.
Do you believe that ‘the left’ think it’s ok to hate Jews? Yes or no will do. "My stance is 'the left are just as racist as the right' I stand by that. What do you think to this? "The right don’t let anyone have shit. Especially not Black people." | |||
"Meh, so are all the other politicians, its all a big old agenda Really? Lying racist pm? Ffs And the Labour Party under Corbyn was served with an unlawful act notice after an investigation into antisemitic racism by the Equality and Human Rights Commission just a couple of years ago. Hobson's choice.
Bess x
Corbyn lost. Many people cited the antisemitism as reasons not to vote for him or labour.
Boris, the racist islamophobe, won and people celebrated it.
I know where you're coming from because I've read some of your other posts. You believe that a few racist remarks that were apologised for to be somehow on par with an entire party being found guilty of antisemitic racism by a recognised international body? Politics is always a lesser of two, or more, evils. Whilst I don't condone his remarks, Boris, by far, was the lesser.
Bess x
There’s Boris and his ‘few racist remarks’ . And there’s also the… I can’t remember? Windrush scandal? Where people died?? I’m not also mentioning the islamophobes that were also in the Tory party. Sorry but it’s not a competition. There’s no lesser of two evils. I am fine with people hating Corbyn. But there’s no justification for celebrating Boris winning. It completely undermines the concerns of a minorities group about their victory.
Mate Boris could’ve called Black people piccininnies and literally nothing else and it is still justification for him not to be the prime minister of this fucking country. He said more though. And the mainstream media never held him accountable or his party for their racism throughout that entire election campaign. It’s disheartening to say the least.
Why do you call my (and your) country this "fucking country"?
It's offensive.If you don't like it,leave.
One of the great things about the U.K. is that we’re allied to say things like ‘this fucking country’ when it’s pertinent. And it is.
We don’t live in a fascist state quite yet.
You should think carefully about this statement, there are plenty of things we can’t say for fear of upsetting a group or person, and if the left do not like something they go out their way to cancel them, in essence removing all their rights to be heard. The left are becoming the very thing they say they hate, but ironically can’t accept or see it because they are the ethical thought police.
As long as one stays away from hate speech, their right to free speech is protected, is it not?
Free speech does not mean freedom from consequences though - an important point that some neglect to mention.
The problem with "hate speech" is in the definition of "hate". The left wing in the UK seem to have very fluid definitions of what "hate" actually is. They will twist words and meanings until they convince themselves that what is being said constitutes "hate". We see it on these threads all the time. People who object to men dressing as women and going into vulnerable women's safe spaces are deemed "transphobic" at every turn of the conversation, anybody concerned about excessive immigration is instantly deemed "racist" by those on the left.
In your post above where the poster writes "Yeah but the left think it's ok to hate jews. And gays", you respond "Do they? First I’ve heard, pal." How can it be the first you hear about the left hating jews when it's in the post you're responding to? The ECHR made the judgement that what the labour party did, and said, was antisemitic racism, but you dismiss it with "Do they? First I’ve heard, pal." As a Jewish person, I consider that to be hate speech, but you're ok with typing it? You're a hypocrite.
Bess x
I’m fully aware of the ECHR ruling, as it happens. What I object to is the blanket description of ‘the left’ as being new haters.
Yaxley-Lennon is on the right. He hates Muslims, as do many of his ilk. Is it therefor acceptable to say ‘the right hate Muslims’? No, of course it’s not - and rightly so.
The Labour party was the left wing party ergo. the left. Corbyn still has many many left wing supporters.
So....
It's fair to say that the left are as racist as the right.
We're not talking centre of either here.
Let’s clear this up then. Are you staying that “ the left think it's ok to hate jews” (the original quote)
Labour (the left) got over 10m votes in 2019, all whilst the antisemitism within the party was widely known.
Make your own mind up.
Nah uh.
A statement was made that I fundamentally disagree with (that ‘the left’ think it’s ok to hate Jews).
You’re taking umbrage at me for contesting that remark.
Do you believe that ‘the left’ think it’s ok to hate Jews? Yes or no will do.
My stance is 'the left are just as racist as the right'
I stand by that.
What do you think to this?
"The right don’t let anyone have shit. Especially not Black people.""So you don’t want to respond to my question? S’ok. I hear the answer loud and clear. | |||
"Meh, so are all the other politicians, its all a big old agenda Really? Lying racist pm? Ffs And the Labour Party under Corbyn was served with an unlawful act notice after an investigation into antisemitic racism by the Equality and Human Rights Commission just a couple of years ago. Hobson's choice.
Bess x
Corbyn lost. Many people cited the antisemitism as reasons not to vote for him or labour.
Boris, the racist islamophobe, won and people celebrated it.
I know where you're coming from because I've read some of your other posts. You believe that a few racist remarks that were apologised for to be somehow on par with an entire party being found guilty of antisemitic racism by a recognised international body? Politics is always a lesser of two, or more, evils. Whilst I don't condone his remarks, Boris, by far, was the lesser.
Bess x
There’s Boris and his ‘few racist remarks’ . And there’s also the… I can’t remember? Windrush scandal? Where people died?? I’m not also mentioning the islamophobes that were also in the Tory party. Sorry but it’s not a competition. There’s no lesser of two evils. I am fine with people hating Corbyn. But there’s no justification for celebrating Boris winning. It completely undermines the concerns of a minorities group about their victory.
Mate Boris could’ve called Black people piccininnies and literally nothing else and it is still justification for him not to be the prime minister of this fucking country. He said more though. And the mainstream media never held him accountable or his party for their racism throughout that entire election campaign. It’s disheartening to say the least.
Why do you call my (and your) country this "fucking country"?
It's offensive.If you don't like it,leave.
One of the great things about the U.K. is that we’re allied to say things like ‘this fucking country’ when it’s pertinent. And it is.
We don’t live in a fascist state quite yet.
You should think carefully about this statement, there are plenty of things we can’t say for fear of upsetting a group or person, and if the left do not like something they go out their way to cancel them, in essence removing all their rights to be heard. The left are becoming the very thing they say they hate, but ironically can’t accept or see it because they are the ethical thought police.
As long as one stays away from hate speech, their right to free speech is protected, is it not?
Free speech does not mean freedom from consequences though - an important point that some neglect to mention.
The problem with "hate speech" is in the definition of "hate". The left wing in the UK seem to have very fluid definitions of what "hate" actually is. They will twist words and meanings until they convince themselves that what is being said constitutes "hate". We see it on these threads all the time. People who object to men dressing as women and going into vulnerable women's safe spaces are deemed "transphobic" at every turn of the conversation, anybody concerned about excessive immigration is instantly deemed "racist" by those on the left.
In your post above where the poster writes "Yeah but the left think it's ok to hate jews. And gays", you respond "Do they? First I’ve heard, pal." How can it be the first you hear about the left hating jews when it's in the post you're responding to? The ECHR made the judgement that what the labour party did, and said, was antisemitic racism, but you dismiss it with "Do they? First I’ve heard, pal." As a Jewish person, I consider that to be hate speech, but you're ok with typing it? You're a hypocrite.
Bess x
I’m fully aware of the ECHR ruling, as it happens. What I object to is the blanket description of ‘the left’ as being new haters.
Yaxley-Lennon is on the right. He hates Muslims, as do many of his ilk. Is it therefor acceptable to say ‘the right hate Muslims’? No, of course it’s not - and rightly so.
The Labour party was the left wing party ergo. the left. Corbyn still has many many left wing supporters.
So....
It's fair to say that the left are as racist as the right.
We're not talking centre of either here.
Let’s clear this up then. Are you staying that “ the left think it's ok to hate jews” (the original quote)
Labour (the left) got over 10m votes in 2019, all whilst the antisemitism within the party was widely known.
Make your own mind up.
Nah uh.
A statement was made that I fundamentally disagree with (that ‘the left’ think it’s ok to hate Jews).
You’re taking umbrage at me for contesting that remark.
Do you believe that ‘the left’ think it’s ok to hate Jews? Yes or no will do.
My stance is 'the left are just as racist as the right'
I stand by that.
What do you think to this?
"The right don’t let anyone have shit. Especially not Black people."
So you don’t want to respond to my question?
S’ok. I hear the answer loud and clear. "As I've already said, the left gave Corbyn over 10m votes. Doesn't that answer the question? It doesn't really matter what I think, you're obviously free to disagree with what anyone else thinks, that doesn't necessarily mean you're right. Your turn  | |||
| |||
"Meh, so are all the other politicians, its all a big old agenda Really? Lying racist pm? Ffs And the Labour Party under Corbyn was served with an unlawful act notice after an investigation into antisemitic racism by the Equality and Human Rights Commission just a couple of years ago. Hobson's choice.
Bess x
Corbyn lost. Many people cited the antisemitism as reasons not to vote for him or labour.
Boris, the racist islamophobe, won and people celebrated it.
I know where you're coming from because I've read some of your other posts. You believe that a few racist remarks that were apologised for to be somehow on par with an entire party being found guilty of antisemitic racism by a recognised international body? Politics is always a lesser of two, or more, evils. Whilst I don't condone his remarks, Boris, by far, was the lesser.
Bess x
There’s Boris and his ‘few racist remarks’ . And there’s also the… I can’t remember? Windrush scandal? Where people died?? I’m not also mentioning the islamophobes that were also in the Tory party. Sorry but it’s not a competition. There’s no lesser of two evils. I am fine with people hating Corbyn. But there’s no justification for celebrating Boris winning. It completely undermines the concerns of a minorities group about their victory.
Mate Boris could’ve called Black people piccininnies and literally nothing else and it is still justification for him not to be the prime minister of this fucking country. He said more though. And the mainstream media never held him accountable or his party for their racism throughout that entire election campaign. It’s disheartening to say the least.
Why do you call my (and your) country this "fucking country"?
It's offensive.If you don't like it,leave.
One of the great things about the U.K. is that we’re allied to say things like ‘this fucking country’ when it’s pertinent. And it is.
We don’t live in a fascist state quite yet.
You should think carefully about this statement, there are plenty of things we can’t say for fear of upsetting a group or person, and if the left do not like something they go out their way to cancel them, in essence removing all their rights to be heard. The left are becoming the very thing they say they hate, but ironically can’t accept or see it because they are the ethical thought police.
As long as one stays away from hate speech, their right to free speech is protected, is it not?
Free speech does not mean freedom from consequences though - an important point that some neglect to mention.
The problem with "hate speech" is in the definition of "hate". The left wing in the UK seem to have very fluid definitions of what "hate" actually is. They will twist words and meanings until they convince themselves that what is being said constitutes "hate". We see it on these threads all the time. People who object to men dressing as women and going into vulnerable women's safe spaces are deemed "transphobic" at every turn of the conversation, anybody concerned about excessive immigration is instantly deemed "racist" by those on the left.
In your post above where the poster writes "Yeah but the left think it's ok to hate jews. And gays", you respond "Do they? First I’ve heard, pal." How can it be the first you hear about the left hating jews when it's in the post you're responding to? The ECHR made the judgement that what the labour party did, and said, was antisemitic racism, but you dismiss it with "Do they? First I’ve heard, pal." As a Jewish person, I consider that to be hate speech, but you're ok with typing it? You're a hypocrite.
Bess x
I’m fully aware of the ECHR ruling, as it happens. What I object to is the blanket description of ‘the left’ as being new haters.
Yaxley-Lennon is on the right. He hates Muslims, as do many of his ilk. Is it therefor acceptable to say ‘the right hate Muslims’? No, of course it’s not - and rightly so.
The Labour party was the left wing party ergo. the left. Corbyn still has many many left wing supporters.
So....
It's fair to say that the left are as racist as the right.
We're not talking centre of either here.
Let’s clear this up then. Are you staying that “ the left think it's ok to hate jews” (the original quote)
Labour (the left) got over 10m votes in 2019, all whilst the antisemitism within the party was widely known.
Make your own mind up.
Nah uh.
A statement was made that I fundamentally disagree with (that ‘the left’ think it’s ok to hate Jews).
You’re taking umbrage at me for contesting that remark.
Do you believe that ‘the left’ think it’s ok to hate Jews? Yes or no will do.
My stance is 'the left are just as racist as the right'
I stand by that.
What do you think to this?
"The right don’t let anyone have shit. Especially not Black people."
So you don’t want to respond to my question?
S’ok. I hear the answer loud and clear.
As I've already said, the left gave Corbyn over 10m votes. Doesn't that answer the question?
It doesn't really matter what I think, you're obviously free to disagree with what anyone else thinks, that doesn't necessarily mean you're right.
Your turn "Reckon in that 10m people there were any Jewish folk? What about political alignment? Because we know there’s not 10m raving Marxists in the country. Presumably a chunk of that 10m would have been more moderate, right? How are you defining ‘the left’ here? Are you purposely arguing despite knowing that it’s a ludicrous to make a blanket statement about ‘the left’, just to be contrary? | |||
"Meh, so are all the other politicians, its all a big old agenda Really? Lying racist pm? Ffs And the Labour Party under Corbyn was served with an unlawful act notice after an investigation into antisemitic racism by the Equality and Human Rights Commission just a couple of years ago. Hobson's choice.
Bess x
Corbyn lost. Many people cited the antisemitism as reasons not to vote for him or labour.
Boris, the racist islamophobe, won and people celebrated it.
I know where you're coming from because I've read some of your other posts. You believe that a few racist remarks that were apologised for to be somehow on par with an entire party being found guilty of antisemitic racism by a recognised international body? Politics is always a lesser of two, or more, evils. Whilst I don't condone his remarks, Boris, by far, was the lesser.
Bess x
There’s Boris and his ‘few racist remarks’ . And there’s also the… I can’t remember? Windrush scandal? Where people died?? I’m not also mentioning the islamophobes that were also in the Tory party. Sorry but it’s not a competition. There’s no lesser of two evils. I am fine with people hating Corbyn. But there’s no justification for celebrating Boris winning. It completely undermines the concerns of a minorities group about their victory.
Mate Boris could’ve called Black people piccininnies and literally nothing else and it is still justification for him not to be the prime minister of this fucking country. He said more though. And the mainstream media never held him accountable or his party for their racism throughout that entire election campaign. It’s disheartening to say the least.
Why do you call my (and your) country this "fucking country"?
It's offensive.If you don't like it,leave.
One of the great things about the U.K. is that we’re allied to say things like ‘this fucking country’ when it’s pertinent. And it is.
We don’t live in a fascist state quite yet.
You should think carefully about this statement, there are plenty of things we can’t say for fear of upsetting a group or person, and if the left do not like something they go out their way to cancel them, in essence removing all their rights to be heard. The left are becoming the very thing they say they hate, but ironically can’t accept or see it because they are the ethical thought police.
As long as one stays away from hate speech, their right to free speech is protected, is it not?
Free speech does not mean freedom from consequences though - an important point that some neglect to mention.
The problem with "hate speech" is in the definition of "hate". The left wing in the UK seem to have very fluid definitions of what "hate" actually is. They will twist words and meanings until they convince themselves that what is being said constitutes "hate". We see it on these threads all the time. People who object to men dressing as women and going into vulnerable women's safe spaces are deemed "transphobic" at every turn of the conversation, anybody concerned about excessive immigration is instantly deemed "racist" by those on the left.
In your post above where the poster writes "Yeah but the left think it's ok to hate jews. And gays", you respond "Do they? First I’ve heard, pal." How can it be the first you hear about the left hating jews when it's in the post you're responding to? The ECHR made the judgement that what the labour party did, and said, was antisemitic racism, but you dismiss it with "Do they? First I’ve heard, pal." As a Jewish person, I consider that to be hate speech, but you're ok with typing it? You're a hypocrite.
Bess x
I’m fully aware of the ECHR ruling, as it happens. What I object to is the blanket description of ‘the left’ as being new haters.
Yaxley-Lennon is on the right. He hates Muslims, as do many of his ilk. Is it therefor acceptable to say ‘the right hate Muslims’? No, of course it’s not - and rightly so.
The Labour party was the left wing party ergo. the left. Corbyn still has many many left wing supporters.
So....
It's fair to say that the left are as racist as the right.
We're not talking centre of either here.
Let’s clear this up then. Are you staying that “ the left think it's ok to hate jews” (the original quote)
Labour (the left) got over 10m votes in 2019, all whilst the antisemitism within the party was widely known.
Make your own mind up.
Nah uh.
A statement was made that I fundamentally disagree with (that ‘the left’ think it’s ok to hate Jews).
You’re taking umbrage at me for contesting that remark.
Do you believe that ‘the left’ think it’s ok to hate Jews? Yes or no will do.
My stance is 'the left are just as racist as the right'
I stand by that.
What do you think to this?
"The right don’t let anyone have shit. Especially not Black people."
So you don’t want to respond to my question?
S’ok. I hear the answer loud and clear.
As I've already said, the left gave Corbyn over 10m votes. Doesn't that answer the question?
It doesn't really matter what I think, you're obviously free to disagree with what anyone else thinks, that doesn't necessarily mean you're right.
Your turn
Reckon in that 10m people there were any Jewish folk? What about political alignment? Because we know there’s not 10m raving Marxists in the country. Presumably a chunk of that 10m would have been more moderate, right? How are you defining ‘the left’ here?
Are you purposely arguing despite knowing that it’s a ludicrous to make a blanket statement about ‘the left’, just to be contrary?"Of course there were a variety of different people within that 10m. What is true is that every single one of them, at the very least accepted the antisemitism within the party. If they didn't they wouldn't have voted. Fancy answering my question? | |||
"Slightly tangential but I think we can agree that there are people of all political persuasions who may be racist against one group or another. Just as there are people of all political persuasions that are not racist at all. So my question is...are racists actually defined by politics at all or are they things that simply run in parallel? " I think that's what I've been trying to say. | |||
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"Slightly tangential but I think we can agree that there are people of all political persuasions who may be racist against one group or another. Just as there are people of all political persuasions that are not racist at all. So my question is...are racists actually defined by politics at all or are they things that simply run in parallel? " It’s bizarre that anti-Islamic or black racism (for example) is far more likely to come from the right, whereas anti-semitism is sadly at the extremes of both sides. There’s also the wierdest reliance on ‘the other’ extreme. In a world without Islamic extension, Yaxley-Lennon has no role in life. He works in a chip shop. He needs the thing he purports to hate, in order to continue being what he is. This works both ways - they have a symbiotic relationship. | |||
"It’s bizarre that anti-Islamic or black racism (for example) is far more likely to come from the right ..." Except for the sort of black-focused racism that causes people to describe their own colleagues as "superficially black". That seems to be just in the Labour party. | |||
"It’s bizarre that anti-Islamic or black racism (for example) is far more likely to come from the right ... Except for the sort of black-focused racism that causes people to describe their own colleagues as "superficially black". That seems to be just in the Labour party." Do you think that’s particularly widespread on the left though? I’d not condone it for a second, nor attempt to use it as any sort of counterpoint against ‘other’ isms, personally I’ve been in and out of the Labour Party for the better part of 25 years, and the biggest problem by far (and even then it’s still a tiny unwelcome minority) was always antisemitism, rather than any other racism. | |||
"It’s bizarre that anti-Islamic or black racism (for example) is far more likely to come from the right ... Except for the sort of black-focused racism that causes people to describe their own colleagues as "superficially black". That seems to be just in the Labour party. Do you think that’s particularly widespread on the left though? I’d not condone it for a second, nor attempt to use it as any sort of counterpoint against ‘other’ isms, personally I’ve been in and out of the Labour Party for the better part of 25 years, and the biggest problem by far (and even then it’s still a tiny unwelcome minority) was always antisemitism, rather than any other racism. " | |||
"It’s bizarre that anti-Islamic or black racism (for example) is far more likely to come from the right ... Except for the sort of black-focused racism that causes people to describe their own colleagues as "superficially black". That seems to be just in the Labour party. Do you think that’s particularly widespread on the left though? I’d not condone it for a second, nor attempt to use it as any sort of counterpoint against ‘other’ isms, personally I’ve been in and out of the Labour Party for the better part of 25 years, and the biggest problem by far (and even then it’s still a tiny unwelcome minority) was always antisemitism, rather than any other racism. "Something funny about racism? | |||
"It’s bizarre that anti-Islamic or black racism (for example) is far more likely to come from the right ... Except for the sort of black-focused racism that causes people to describe their own colleagues as "superficially black". That seems to be just in the Labour party. Do you think that’s particularly widespread on the left though? I’d not condone it for a second, nor attempt to use it as any sort of counterpoint against ‘other’ isms, personally I’ve been in and out of the Labour Party for the better part of 25 years, and the biggest problem by far (and even then it’s still a tiny unwelcome minority) was always antisemitism, rather than any other racism.
Something funny about racism? "Is that your assumption? | |||
"It’s bizarre that anti-Islamic or black racism (for example) is far more likely to come from the right ... Except for the sort of black-focused racism that causes people to describe their own colleagues as "superficially black". That seems to be just in the Labour party. Do you think that’s particularly widespread on the left though? I’d not condone it for a second, nor attempt to use it as any sort of counterpoint against ‘other’ isms, personally I’ve been in and out of the Labour Party for the better part of 25 years, and the biggest problem by far (and even then it’s still a tiny unwelcome minority) was always antisemitism, rather than any other racism.
Something funny about racism?
Is that your assumption?"No assumption, just a question. | |||
"It’s bizarre that anti-Islamic or black racism (for example) is far more likely to come from the right ... Except for the sort of black-focused racism that causes people to describe their own colleagues as "superficially black". That seems to be just in the Labour party. Do you think that’s particularly widespread on the left though? I’d not condone it for a second, nor attempt to use it as any sort of counterpoint against ‘other’ isms, personally I’ve been in and out of the Labour Party for the better part of 25 years, and the biggest problem by far (and even then it’s still a tiny unwelcome minority) was always antisemitism, rather than any other racism.
Something funny about racism?
Is that your assumption?
No assumption, just a question. "No, racism is not funny. Hope that answer's your question. | |||
"Meh, so are all the other politicians, its all a big old agenda Really? Lying racist pm? Ffs And the Labour Party under Corbyn was served with an unlawful act notice after an investigation into antisemitic racism by the Equality and Human Rights Commission just a couple of years ago. Hobson's choice.
Bess x
Corbyn lost. Many people cited the antisemitism as reasons not to vote for him or labour.
Boris, the racist islamophobe, won and people celebrated it. "He won in spite of being a racist islamophobe (and sexist bigot) not because of it. Basically he speaks in a way that stupid people think is how clever people speak. That’s why he won. Corbyn spoke like someone against apartheid in Palestine , it’s not very wise for left wingers to criticise Isreal when you have a powerful pro Israel right wing media in the uk | |||
"Meh, so are all the other politicians, its all a big old agenda Really? Lying racist pm? Ffs And the Labour Party under Corbyn was served with an unlawful act notice after an investigation into antisemitic racism by the Equality and Human Rights Commission just a couple of years ago. Hobson's choice.
Bess x
Corbyn lost. Many people cited the antisemitism as reasons not to vote for him or labour.
Boris, the racist islamophobe, won and people celebrated it.
He won in spite of being a racist islamophobe (and sexist bigot) not because of it.
Basically he speaks in a way that stupid people think is how clever people speak. That’s why he won. Corbyn spoke like someone against apartheid in Palestine , it’s not very wise for left wingers to criticise Isreal when you have a powerful pro Israel right wing media in the uk "You’re right in your final paragraph- the media ultimately did for Corbyn. IRA sympathiser and other nonsense like that. His words were often clumsy, and too many times he tried to appease all and in the process upset everybody. I left the party because of him and his ineptitude in the end. Even though I’d consider myself more politically aligned with him than I would Starmer. | |||
"Meh, so are all the other politicians, its all a big old agenda Really? Lying racist pm? Ffs And the Labour Party under Corbyn was served with an unlawful act notice after an investigation into antisemitic racism by the Equality and Human Rights Commission just a couple of years ago. Hobson's choice.
Bess x
Corbyn lost. Many people cited the antisemitism as reasons not to vote for him or labour.
Boris, the racist islamophobe, won and people celebrated it.
I know where you're coming from because I've read some of your other posts. You believe that a few racist remarks that were apologised for to be somehow on par with an entire party being found guilty of antisemitic racism by a recognised international body? Politics is always a lesser of two, or more, evils. Whilst I don't condone his remarks, Boris, by far, was the lesser.
Bess x
There’s Boris and his ‘few racist remarks’ . And there’s also the… I can’t remember? Windrush scandal? Where people died?? I’m not also mentioning the islamophobes that were also in the Tory party. Sorry but it’s not a competition. There’s no lesser of two evils. I am fine with people hating Corbyn. But there’s no justification for celebrating Boris winning. It completely undermines the concerns of a minorities group about their victory.
Mate Boris could’ve called Black people piccininnies and literally nothing else and it is still justification for him not to be the prime minister of this fucking country. He said more though. And the mainstream media never held him accountable or his party for their racism throughout that entire election campaign. It’s disheartening to say the least.
Why do you call my (and your) country this "fucking country"?
It's offensive.If you don't like it,leave.
One of the great things about the U.K. is that we’re allied to say things like ‘this fucking country’ when it’s pertinent. And it is.
We don’t live in a fascist state quite yet.
You should think carefully about this statement, there are plenty of things we can’t say for fear of upsetting a group or person, and if the left do not like something they go out their way to cancel them, in essence removing all their rights to be heard. The left are becoming the very thing they say they hate, but ironically can’t accept or see it because they are the ethical thought police.
As long as one stays away from hate speech, their right to free speech is protected, is it not?
Free speech does not mean freedom from consequences though - an important point that some neglect to mention.
"No it is not protected, and why the left cancel anyone they choose for having an opinion they do not like. Cancelled is no voice. As I said there is an irony in this that no left wing person can see from their ivory towers. | |||
"Meh, so are all the other politicians, its all a big old agenda Really? Lying racist pm? Ffs And the Labour Party under Corbyn was served with an unlawful act notice after an investigation into antisemitic racism by the Equality and Human Rights Commission just a couple of years ago. Hobson's choice.
Bess x
Corbyn lost. Many people cited the antisemitism as reasons not to vote for him or labour.
Boris, the racist islamophobe, won and people celebrated it.
I know where you're coming from because I've read some of your other posts. You believe that a few racist remarks that were apologised for to be somehow on par with an entire party being found guilty of antisemitic racism by a recognised international body? Politics is always a lesser of two, or more, evils. Whilst I don't condone his remarks, Boris, by far, was the lesser.
Bess x
There’s Boris and his ‘few racist remarks’ . And there’s also the… I can’t remember? Windrush scandal? Where people died?? I’m not also mentioning the islamophobes that were also in the Tory party. Sorry but it’s not a competition. There’s no lesser of two evils. I am fine with people hating Corbyn. But there’s no justification for celebrating Boris winning. It completely undermines the concerns of a minorities group about their victory.
Mate Boris could’ve called Black people piccininnies and literally nothing else and it is still justification for him not to be the prime minister of this fucking country. He said more though. And the mainstream media never held him accountable or his party for their racism throughout that entire election campaign. It’s disheartening to say the least.
Why do you call my (and your) country this "fucking country"?
It's offensive.If you don't like it,leave.
One of the great things about the U.K. is that we’re allied to say things like ‘this fucking country’ when it’s pertinent. And it is.
We don’t live in a fascist state quite yet.
You should think carefully about this statement, there are plenty of things we can’t say for fear of upsetting a group or person, and if the left do not like something they go out their way to cancel them, in essence removing all their rights to be heard. The left are becoming the very thing they say they hate, but ironically can’t accept or see it because they are the ethical thought police.
As long as one stays away from hate speech, their right to free speech is protected, is it not?
Free speech does not mean freedom from consequences though - an important point that some neglect to mention.
No it is not protected, and why the left cancel anyone they choose for having an opinion they do not like.
Cancelled is no voice.
As I said there is an irony in this that no left wing person can see from their ivory towers.
"Who has had their voice removed? If you’re referring to online platforms being removed, or presenters losing their job - that’s not the same as having speech removed. Nobody is entitled to a platform. Like I said, freedom of speech does not mean freedom from consequence. | |||
"Meh, so are all the other politicians, its all a big old agenda Really? Lying racist pm? Ffs And the Labour Party under Corbyn was served with an unlawful act notice after an investigation into antisemitic racism by the Equality and Human Rights Commission just a couple of years ago. Hobson's choice.
Bess x
Corbyn lost. Many people cited the antisemitism as reasons not to vote for him or labour.
Boris, the racist islamophobe, won and people celebrated it.
I know where you're coming from because I've read some of your other posts. You believe that a few racist remarks that were apologised for to be somehow on par with an entire party being found guilty of antisemitic racism by a recognised international body? Politics is always a lesser of two, or more, evils. Whilst I don't condone his remarks, Boris, by far, was the lesser.
Bess x
There’s Boris and his ‘few racist remarks’ . And there’s also the… I can’t remember? Windrush scandal? Where people died?? I’m not also mentioning the islamophobes that were also in the Tory party. Sorry but it’s not a competition. There’s no lesser of two evils. I am fine with people hating Corbyn. But there’s no justification for celebrating Boris winning. It completely undermines the concerns of a minorities group about their victory.
Mate Boris could’ve called Black people piccininnies and literally nothing else and it is still justification for him not to be the prime minister of this fucking country. He said more though. And the mainstream media never held him accountable or his party for their racism throughout that entire election campaign. It’s disheartening to say the least.
Why do you call my (and your) country this "fucking country"?
It's offensive.If you don't like it,leave.
One of the great things about the U.K. is that we’re allied to say things like ‘this fucking country’ when it’s pertinent. And it is.
We don’t live in a fascist state quite yet.
You should think carefully about this statement, there are plenty of things we can’t say for fear of upsetting a group or person, and if the left do not like something they go out their way to cancel them, in essence removing all their rights to be heard. The left are becoming the very thing they say they hate, but ironically can’t accept or see it because they are the ethical thought police.
As long as one stays away from hate speech, their right to free speech is protected, is it not?
Free speech does not mean freedom from consequences though - an important point that some neglect to mention.
No it is not protected, and why the left cancel anyone they choose for having an opinion they do not like.
Cancelled is no voice.
As I said there is an irony in this that no left wing person can see from their ivory towers.
Who has had their voice removed?
If you’re referring to online platforms being removed, or presenters losing their job - that’s not the same as having speech removed. Nobody is entitled to a platform.
Like I said, freedom of speech does not mean freedom from consequence."Which is why you were picked up on your response earlier in this thread ref antisemitism | |||
"Simple! Tories are lying twots! That’s it!! " . Luckily the general public have a different opinion. They have won the last three general elections and there is no reason as to why they should not win a forth | |||
"Simple! Tories are lying twots! That’s it!! . Luckily the general public have a different opinion. They have won the last three general elections and there is no reason as to why they should not win a forth " Forth? That's a Scottish constituency, presumably? They're not famed for widespread Tory voting, north of the border. | |||
"Simple! Tories are lying twots! That’s it!! . Luckily the general public have a different opinion. They have won the last three general elections and there is no reason as to why they should not win a forth Forth? That's a Scottish constituency, presumably? They're not famed for widespread Tory voting, north of the border. " . Well spotted. Fourth | |||
"Boris Johnson should be behind bars for fraud and gross negligence. When is he going to get investigated in regards to the covid money trails? " . All money paid out during Covid is fully documented with an audit trail. Payments are nothing to do with Boris Johnson. He and the government implement policies, payments are made by the Civil Service . I cannot see Boris having his own log on to the procurement system. | |||
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"Boris Johnson should be behind bars for fraud and gross negligence. When is he going to get investigated in regards to the covid money trails? . All money paid out during Covid is fully documented with an audit trail. Payments are nothing to do with Boris Johnson. He and the government implement policies, payments are made by the Civil Service . I cannot see Boris having his own log on to the procurement system. " Jacob? Is that you? | |||
"Boris Johnson should be behind bars for fraud and gross negligence. When is he going to get investigated in regards to the covid money trails? . All money paid out during Covid is fully documented with an audit trail. Payments are nothing to do with Boris Johnson. He and the government implement policies, payments are made by the Civil Service . I cannot see Boris having his own log on to the procurement system. " *sigh* the PPE Procurement VIP lane demonstrated perfectly how Ministers are able to “influence” contract awards and circumvent Civil Service (Crown Commercial Service) procurement due-diligence. Investigations are underway but take time and are mostly kept under wraps to not prejudice findings. PPE Medpro is one higher profile example involving Baroness Mone and her husband Doug Barrowman. | |||
"It’s bizarre that anti-Islamic or black racism (for example) is far more likely to come from the right ... Except for the sort of black-focused racism that causes people to describe their own colleagues as "superficially black". That seems to be just in the Labour party." I believe in America they're called uncle Tom's? I'd agree. It seems now that you can be tbe wrong kind of black for many on the left. | |||
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"It’s bizarre that anti-Islamic or black racism (for example) is far more likely to come from the right ... Except for the sort of black-focused racism that causes people to describe their own colleagues as "superficially black". That seems to be just in the Labour party. Anti Blackness in the Labour Party is BEYOND ** comments like this and that’s one reason why I’ll never vote for Kier. Aside from reasons I’m not going to debate in here, he didn’t do enough to publicly support Abbott after the racism was revealed that came from her own party. On top of the fact that labour members like Jess Phillips who supposedly for all women let her misogynoir mask slip when she famously bragged about telling Diane Abbott to fuck off. Which was a lie. The party aren’t committed either to tackling issues around anti Blackness. And Kier most certainly isn’t. " | |||
