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By *rHotNotts OP Man over a year ago

Dubai & Nottingham

I just discovered that uk will pay you to come here with your kids all the way from SE Asia if you’re a single mum or couple & one of you take a job as care assistant on min wage and guarantee you citizenship, universal credit , access to health, education etc for life

Wow - this place is heaven to so many

I dint any other country in the world operate visas like that , even here the best you get is 3 years at a tune on conditions you’re a skilled worker and possibly 10 years in you bring in foreign money to invest or buy properties.

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By *rDiscretionXXXMan over a year ago

Gilfach

Would you like to post a link to where you got this information?

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By *rHotNotts OP Man over a year ago

Dubai & Nottingham

"Would you like to post a link to where you got this information?"

I met people at the weekend flying into Birmingham and they told me. Three families , 8 children, 2 min wage care assistant jobs in Warwickshire secured the move and paid for the the travel, relocation allowance and initial one month accom. They knew all about universal credit and had been doing the forms and calculations already

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By *rHotNotts OP Man over a year ago

Dubai & Nottingham

"Would you like to post a link to where you got this information?"

And I’ve seen the citizenship test , I actually know the company in Langley Mill who administer it. It’s not based on skills, education or ability to contribute to the economy, it’s based on knowledge of history like the war of the roses and culture like Eastenders.

And there is no limit to how many people can apply each year. If you are here and working you are eligible to take the test.

Who are the lunatics running the asylum ?

Surely this is because of Brexit ?

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By *rDiscretionXXXMan over a year ago

Gilfach

"I met people at the weekend flying into Birmingham and they told me. Three families , 8 children, 2 min wage care assistant jobs in Warwickshire secured the move and paid for the the travel, relocation allowance and initial one month accom."

So it's not the UK government paying to bring them over (which is what I thought you were saying in your first post), but it's a UK company sponsoring them.

Where did you get the idea that they are guaranteed citizenship and access to benefits for life?

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By *rHotNotts OP Man over a year ago

Dubai & Nottingham

So it's not the UK government paying to bring them over (which is what I thought you were saying in your first post), but it's a UK company sponsoring them.

Where did you get the idea that they are guaranteed citizenship and access to benefits for life?"

Indirectly, the companies are funded by local authorities to provide care. It all comes from the sane place

That’s uk policy , it is why so many poor people come because permanent citizenship is offered to all residents unlike other countries that offer temporary residency, there is always the risk they lose their job and have to return home.

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By *idnight RamblerMan over a year ago

Pershore

Brits won't work in Care Homes, nor the NHS, nor Coffee shops, nor Amazon warehouses, nor harvesting in the fields. Somebody has to do the work, so we need immigrants. Before we can sort out immigration, we have to understand why Brits won't do low level jobs.

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By *exy_HornyCouple over a year ago

Leigh

Because they are unfit, lazy and not hungry enough as they are cared for by the benefits system?

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By *idnight RamblerMan over a year ago

Pershore

Because they are unfit, lazy and not hungry enough as they are cared for by the benefits system?"

I couldn't possibly comment on such an outrageous claim - but I see where you're coming from

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By *ercuryMan over a year ago

Grantham

Because they are glued to their mobile phones day and night!

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By *ohnnyTwoNotesMan over a year ago

golden fields

Because they are glued to their mobile phones day and night!"

...on fab.

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By *rDiscretionXXXMan over a year ago

Gilfach

"That’s uk policy , it is why so many poor people come because permanent citizenship is offered to all residents ..."

Again - where do you get the idea that all care workers brought over here will be guaranteed citizenship?

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By *orleymanMan over a year ago

Leeds

Several people I went to school with work in care homes.

And I know a fair few working in warehouses. I was an accountant at a former ftse 100 logistics company. Uk people will work in warehouses but want more money than what e.u migrants would ask for.

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By *orleymanMan over a year ago

Leeds

On the dating scene. I have met 2 nurses who have come here from tbr Philippines on visas.

They had 3 months initial rent paid.

And had a visa for 3 years.

There wasn't guaranteed citizenship. And this was for nurses for the nhs. Not sponsored visas for care home assistants.

I can't see this being correct.

Happy for a government link to be provided on such things where we can see their rights.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Brits won't work in Care Homes, nor the NHS, nor Coffee shops, nor Amazon warehouses, nor harvesting in the fields. Somebody has to do the work, so we need immigrants. Before we can sort out immigration, we have to understand why Brits won't do low level jobs."
easy they don't pay enough for a English person to take the job where alot of immigrants either work for it because of no family here or there are a few sharing a house so bills aren't as high for them also a cultural thing that they share houses with other family members we English tend to live alone or with a partner.

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By *irldnCouple over a year ago

Brighton

"Brits won't work in Care Homes, nor the NHS, nor Coffee shops, nor Amazon warehouses, nor harvesting in the fields. Somebody has to do the work, so we need immigrants. Before we can sort out immigration, we have to understand why Brits won't do low level jobs.easy they don't pay enough for a English person to take the job where alot of immigrants either work for it because of no family here or there are a few sharing a house so bills aren't as high for them also a cultural thing that they share houses with other family members we English tend to live alone or with a partner."

Better get all those Welsh, Scots, and Northern Irish to do their bit then

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By *eroy1000Man over a year ago

milton keynes

A bit of topic but I just seen footage of the daily mail under cover report on asylum lawyers. It's truly shocking seeing these lawyers telling claimants what to claim has happened to them regardless of if it's actually happened. One lawyer is heard telling a claimant not to worry as he will just make something up. He knows what things the authorities need to hear. The sad thing is as usual, genuine people may have a harder time with so many clearly gaming the system

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By *irldnCouple over a year ago

Brighton

"A bit of topic but I just seen footage of the daily mail under cover report on asylum lawyers. It's truly shocking seeing these lawyers telling claimants what to claim has happened to them regardless of if it's actually happened. One lawyer is heard telling a claimant not to worry as he will just make something up. He knows what things the authorities need to hear. The sad thing is as usual, genuine people may have a harder time with so many clearly gaming the system"

Again someone implies a large quantity this time saying “with so many clearly gaming the system”. Now that may be true but I would like to see some evidence or data that confirms it is “so many”. Pat says c.70%. Is it that many? What constitutes “many”? Is it the majority? Or should we stick to saying “some”?

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By *otMe66Man over a year ago

Terra Firma

Exactly this, people who are fleeing and need refuge for genuine reasons are being denied or held up by a ring of people who are lower than a snakes belly.

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By *irldnCouple over a year ago

Brighton

Exactly this, people who are fleeing and need refuge for genuine reasons are being denied or held up by a ring of people who are lower than a snakes belly."

Agreed. The genuine are hampered by the spurious. So what should be done that doesn’t penalise the genuine?

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By *otMe66Man over a year ago

Terra Firma

94% arrive with no documentation having destroyed it on or before the crossing. Could that be a good starting point?

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By *otMe66Man over a year ago

Terra Firma

Exactly this, people who are fleeing and need refuge for genuine reasons are being denied or held up by a ring of people who are lower than a snakes belly.

Agreed. The genuine are hampered by the spurious. So what should be done that doesn’t penalise the genuine?"

Removal of the criminals is a top priority, followed by the removal of anyone arriving without documentation. I understand the outlier that people feeling for their lives do not have time to grab documents, but if it is a known instant refusal, it would change the landscape, anything that can prove who you are stops the removal.

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By *irldnCouple over a year ago

Brighton

Exactly this, people who are fleeing and need refuge for genuine reasons are being denied or held up by a ring of people who are lower than a snakes belly.

Agreed. The genuine are hampered by the spurious. So what should be done that doesn’t penalise the genuine?

Replying to both your posts... what is the source of that 94% figure. I trust you NotMe, unlike some other posters, so will assume it is kosher in which case WOW. That really is shocking.

Do we know if the criminal gangs are taking ID (as some kind of insurance policy/future leverage)?

So this would say to me that the UK Govt should make a clear statement:

1. If you arrive in the UK without ID and the ability for us to quickly establish your right to asylum we will consider you to not have a legitimate reason to claim asylum. You will be detained without freedom of movement and deported if we cannot establish ID and legitimacy of your claim.

2. If you arrive with your ID etc intact we will treat you with the utmost care and respect and seek to process your claim ASAP.

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By *astandFeistyCouple over a year ago

Bournemouth

Exactly this, people who are fleeing and need refuge for genuine reasons are being denied or held up by a ring of people who are lower than a snakes belly.

Agreed. The genuine are hampered by the spurious. So what should be done that doesn’t penalise the genuine?

Replying to both your posts... what is the source of that 94% figure. I trust you NotMe, unlike some other posters, so will assume it is kosher in which case WOW. That really is shocking.

Do we know if the criminal gangs are taking ID (as some kind of insurance policy/future leverage)?

So this would say to me that the UK Govt should make a clear statement:

2. If you arrive with your ID etc intact we will treat you with the utmost care and respect and seek to process your claim ASAP. "

I'd agree with both of those proposals. However, how do we deport if we cannot establish country of origin?

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By *irldnCouple over a year ago

Brighton

Exactly this, people who are fleeing and need refuge for genuine reasons are being denied or held up by a ring of people who are lower than a snakes belly.

Agreed. The genuine are hampered by the spurious. So what should be done that doesn’t penalise the genuine?

Replying to both your posts... what is the source of that 94% figure. I trust you NotMe, unlike some other posters, so will assume it is kosher in which case WOW. That really is shocking.

Do we know if the criminal gangs are taking ID (as some kind of insurance policy/future leverage)?

So this would say to me that the UK Govt should make a clear statement:

2. If you arrive with your ID etc intact we will treat you with the utmost care and respect and seek to process your claim ASAP.

I'd agree with both of those proposals. However, how do we deport if we cannot establish country of origin?"

Hmmm good point! Where I was going is the whole carrot and stick approach again. Come here with a legitimate claim and ID to help us establish that and we will do all we can to help vs the harsh alternative.

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By *ercuryMan over a year ago

Grantham

The BBC ran an article the other week. They were aboad a charity vessel off Libya, which intercepted a boat carrying migrants

The vast majority on board, were young men, 18 to 25 say, from The Gambia. On interview, they said that they were coming to Europe to earn money.

Some of these, may or may not, end up in the UK. The lure of a better life and increased income is a strong pull. But it is not a case for asylum.

The need to identify genuine asylum seekers is getting more and more urgent.

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By *astandFeistyCouple over a year ago

Bournemouth

Exactly this, people who are fleeing and need refuge for genuine reasons are being denied or held up by a ring of people who are lower than a snakes belly.

Agreed. The genuine are hampered by the spurious. So what should be done that doesn’t penalise the genuine?

Replying to both your posts... what is the source of that 94% figure. I trust you NotMe, unlike some other posters, so will assume it is kosher in which case WOW. That really is shocking.

Do we know if the criminal gangs are taking ID (as some kind of insurance policy/future leverage)?

So this would say to me that the UK Govt should make a clear statement:

2. If you arrive with your ID etc intact we will treat you with the utmost care and respect and seek to process your claim ASAP.

I'd agree with both of those proposals. However, how do we deport if we cannot establish country of origin?

From what we're told people are actively encouraged to discard their ID.

The only solution I can see is to imprison these people and monitor them around the clock, we will find out where they're from soon enough, then we can make a decision. If they're from a region where there's conflict, we can then investigate.

People will argue that's inhumane, and they may have a point but we need to stop people arriving without documentation and false stories.

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By *otMe66Man over a year ago

Terra Firma

Exactly this, people who are fleeing and need refuge for genuine reasons are being denied or held up by a ring of people who are lower than a snakes belly.

Agreed. The genuine are hampered by the spurious. So what should be done that doesn’t penalise the genuine?

Replying to both your posts... what is the source of that 94% figure. I trust you NotMe, unlike some other posters, so will assume it is kosher in which case WOW. That really is shocking.

Do we know if the criminal gangs are taking ID (as some kind of insurance policy/future leverage)?

So this would say to me that the UK Govt should make a clear statement:

2. If you arrive with your ID etc intact we will treat you with the utmost care and respect and seek to process your claim ASAP. "

A freedom of information request revealed that 98% of people arriving by small boat had no ID, I wrongly remembered 94%.

It is a proven method of delaying and eventually beating the system. It is obviously not working for a small % and that is why I assume they are ending up at less than honest solicitors as per the original post.

My take away is, we have an issue that does not allow our border control to establish a duty of care to the most vulnerable of people arriving here due to criminality, and that is wrong

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By *ove2pleaseseukMan over a year ago

Hastings