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Turkey accepts swedens nato application.
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By *hagTonight OP Man
over a year ago
From the land of haribos. |
It was a historic day yesterday as erdogan finally accepted swedens application to join nato, he agreed to set aside his veto and recommend to his parliament that swedens application to go ahead.
I thought that his demands in the first place was unrealistic as he kept changing them.
I agree with kristersson who described the news as a “very big step".
Now there is only 1 country left and that is hungary who is yet to approve it.
What do you think of the news and their voting system? I think that their voting system is a bit unfair. I think that a better way is a 60/40.
I also think that the war is uniting nato more and making it stronger, as finland joined and no doubt ukraine will join soon too 
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"It was a historic day yesterday as erdogan finally accepted swedens application to join nato, he agreed to set aside his veto and recommend to his parliament that swedens application to go ahead.
I thought that his demands in the first place was unrealistic as he kept changing them.
I agree with kristersson who described the news as a “very big step".
Now there is only 1 country left and that is hungary who is yet to approve it.
What do you think of the news and their voting system? I think that their voting system is a bit unfair. I think that a better way is a 60/40.
I also think that the war is uniting nato more and making it stronger, as finland joined and no doubt ukraine will join soon too
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I would doubt Ukraine will join while the war is ongoing.
This automatically makes every other nation declare war on Russia |
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"It was a historic day yesterday as erdogan finally accepted swedens application to join nato, he agreed to set aside his veto and recommend to his parliament that swedens application to go ahead.
I thought that his demands in the first place was unrealistic as he kept changing them.
I agree with kristersson who described the news as a “very big step".
Now there is only 1 country left and that is hungary who is yet to approve it.
What do you think of the news and their voting system? I think that their voting system is a bit unfair. I think that a better way is a 60/40.
I also think that the war is uniting nato more and making it stronger, as finland joined and no doubt ukraine will join soon too
I would doubt Ukraine will join while the war is ongoing.
This automatically makes every other nation declare war on Russia"
This..
There's no way it will happen whilst they are at war, it'll be a security guarantees pact with the main emphasis on supply and training in other kit Ukraine want.. |
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Good news for Ukraine, but NATO have to play this very carefully. NATO could, technically, insert themselves in to War with Russia. (To be fair, I'm sure we already are, but just by proxy).
This would be akin to turning the Ukraine card over at the table and revealing "NATO" instead. It puts NATO a hair's breadth from outright war with Russia. Not that we aren't almost anyway. Complicated.
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Having a dictatorship like Turkey in NATO is ludicrous. They are not European, nowhere near the Atlantic and the worst ally.
Human rights are routinely trampled, journalists live in fear of arrest, they are in illegal occupation in Cyprus, they refuse to acknowledge genocide in Armenia and their oppression of the Kurds- particularly following Turkey's invasion of Syria - is atrocious.
For this evil dictator to have any veto in NATO is totally unacceptable. |
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"Having a dictatorship like Turkey in NATO is ludicrous. They are not European, nowhere near the Atlantic and the worst ally.
Human rights are routinely trampled, journalists live in fear of arrest, they are in illegal occupation in Cyprus, they refuse to acknowledge genocide in Armenia and their oppression of the Kurds- particularly following Turkey's invasion of Syria - is atrocious.
For this evil dictator to have any veto in NATO is totally unacceptable."
NATO is a military alliance, formed essentially to protect a group of countries from Russian aggression. It has nothing to do with Europe, the Atlantic, or human rights. |
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"Having a dictatorship like Turkey in NATO is ludicrous. They are not European, nowhere near the Atlantic and the worst ally.
Human rights are routinely trampled, journalists live in fear of arrest, they are in illegal occupation in Cyprus, they refuse to acknowledge genocide in Armenia and their oppression of the Kurds- particularly following Turkey's invasion of Syria - is atrocious.
For this evil dictator to have any veto in NATO is totally unacceptable.
NATO is a military alliance, formed essentially to protect a group of countries from Russian aggression. It has nothing to do with Europe, the Atlantic, or human rights."
And part of Turkey is in Europe. |
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By *irldnCouple
over a year ago
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"Having a dictatorship like Turkey in NATO is ludicrous. They are not European, nowhere near the Atlantic and the worst ally.
Human rights are routinely trampled, journalists live in fear of arrest, they are in illegal occupation in Cyprus, they refuse to acknowledge genocide in Armenia and their oppression of the Kurds- particularly following Turkey's invasion of Syria - is atrocious.
For this evil dictator to have any veto in NATO is totally unacceptable.
NATO is a military alliance, formed essentially to protect a group of countries from Russian aggression. It has nothing to do with Europe, the Atlantic, or human rights."
And Turkey holds a strategically important location that enables it to close the Black Sea to Russian ships. |
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By *hagTonight OP Man
over a year ago
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Who else feels the same that the reason why turkey and hungary was so unwilling to accept sweden, well now it is only hungary left, is because they have a secret deal with putin?
As I see it, turkey must of got a deal from the usa and by doing that erdogan went behind putins back, because strategically I think that putin want gotland, because of its strategical location, what makes gotland so strategic is that it offers the capabilities to project power into the baltic sea |
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"Who else feels the same that the reason why turkey and hungary was so unwilling to accept sweden, well now it is only hungary left, is because they have a secret deal with putin?
As I see it, turkey must of got a deal from the usa and by doing that erdogan went behind putins back, because strategically I think that putin want gotland, because of its strategical location, what makes gotland so strategic is that it offers the capabilities to project power into the baltic sea "
To be fair to these countries.
There's a lot of politicking. Erdogan wanted more integration into e.u without becoming a member.
The e.u wants turkey to hold refugees but isn't willing to pay, previously the e.u outsourced clothing to Turkey, then china came along and undercut them. The lira is taking a drubbing.
If NATO want these countries to enter Nthey have to play politics. Why should Turkey that's taking an economic and migrant battering atm just sign this off without some major back scratching?
Hungary of course is a completely different ballgame and has been pn the edge of being pushed into Russian influence for years. Major falling out with e.u recently. Ongoing failure to supply agreed subsidies etc etc. |
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"Good news for Ukraine, but NATO have to play this very carefully. NATO could, technically, insert themselves in to War with Russia. (To be fair, I'm sure we already are, but just by proxy).
This would be akin to turning the Ukraine card over at the table and revealing "NATO" instead. It puts NATO a hair's breadth from outright war with Russia. Not that we aren't almost anyway. Complicated.
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Proxy war is interesting point. Is Ukraine having a proxy war with China, India, Algeria, Iran and North Korea? They all supply weapons to Russia. |
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By *amish SMan
over a year ago
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Memberships aside, the path to western troops in Ukraine started the the first day western weapons were supplied to Ukraine. Once governments start this they must be prepared to commit ground forces.
NATO may have expanded since Russias invasion of Ukraine which is counter to what they wanted, but realistically Russia holds the trump card. Had Russia achieve it's aim, or Ukraine kicked them out within weeks then global situation would have seen a blip but soon settled back to normality. Because the situation has now become a slow battle of wits there is no stomach from that countries other than Ukraine that wants this ended overnight. If it did chaos would reign Globally, china's already fragile economy would collapse, Russias economy would be non existent and the globally economy would be in termoil, Belarus would fall apart, though it will do when Russia leaves Ukraine.
Once Russias western border is surrounded by NATO countries, their ambition, plans and opportunity to expand west would be non existent.
Turkeys approval of Sweden joining is more than likely based on thier own strategic position and thier neighbouring countries situation. It knows it needs NATO more than NATO needs it. |
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