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"What grey area? Under law you are classed as an adult at 18 and will be accountable to law as an adult. What has the age of being a mother got to do with that? " Think beyond what is black and white for a moment and consider the legislation around this subject of adulthood - you cannot drink but you can have sex and become a parent before becoming a legally defined adult. Does that not seem illogical to you? | |||
"What grey area? Under law you are classed as an adult at 18 and will be accountable to law as an adult. What has the age of being a mother got to do with that? Think beyond what is black and white for a moment and consider the legislation around this subject of adulthood - you cannot drink but you can have sex and become a parent before becoming a legally defined adult. Does that not seem illogical to you?" There is a line in the sand, there needs to be one for all manner of legal reasons mainly money and crime. The coupling together of alcohol, motherhood and lifestyle could be ultra hardline and start to lean towards the southern states of interference. What do you think is a logical then, what would you change? | |||
"What grey area? Under law you are classed as an adult at 18 and will be accountable to law as an adult. What has the age of being a mother got to do with that? Think beyond what is black and white for a moment and consider the legislation around this subject of adulthood - you cannot drink but you can have sex and become a parent before becoming a legally defined adult. Does that not seem illogical to you? There is a line in the sand, there needs to be one for all manner of legal reasons mainly money and crime. The coupling together of alcohol, motherhood and lifestyle could be ultra hardline and start to lean towards the southern states of interference. What do you think is a logical then, what would you change?" Of course there needs to be a line. We need to protect the young (and trying to protect them from themselves is probably the hardest thing). I have seen science argue that mentally/emotionally people are not mature enough to be adults until well into their twenties. Biologically (from the point of reproduction) it is years earlier. The definition of adulthood changes according to culture, era, country or state. It is a very difficult decision to make. We could outlaw sex until 18. Or we could change definitions. A child is under 16, an adult is 18+, an (for example) adolescent is 16 and 17. Consider the Prince Andrew case of the woman being 17 - legal here but not in America. See, a very grey area. | |||
"What grey area? Under law you are classed as an adult at 18 and will be accountable to law as an adult. What has the age of being a mother got to do with that? Think beyond what is black and white for a moment and consider the legislation around this subject of adulthood - you cannot drink but you can have sex and become a parent before becoming a legally defined adult. Does that not seem illogical to you? There is a line in the sand, there needs to be one for all manner of legal reasons mainly money and crime. The coupling together of alcohol, motherhood and lifestyle could be ultra hardline and start to lean towards the southern states of interference. What do you think is a logical then, what would you change? Of course there needs to be a line. We need to protect the young (and trying to protect them from themselves is probably the hardest thing). I have seen science argue that mentally/emotionally people are not mature enough to be adults until well into their twenties. Biologically (from the point of reproduction) it is years earlier. The definition of adulthood changes according to culture, era, country or state. It is a very difficult decision to make. We could outlaw sex until 18. Or we could change definitions. A child is under 16, an adult is 18+, an (for example) adolescent is 16 and 17. Consider the Prince Andrew case of the woman being 17 - legal here but not in America. See, a very grey area." Society decides what is legally allowed, the age of consent is always going to be contentious, some going higher some going lower and it will never really be agreed upon by everyone. Putting laws in place are there too advise on behaviour and punish if broken. The laws on serving alcohol to under 18's is not the same in your house as it is in a pub or restaurant for example, the decision to serve a glass of wine with a meal to a 17 year old is left to the parent. The age of being classed as an adult is literally when you are deemed legally responsible for making your own decisions. It is a catch all line in the sand, moving it one way or the other, would have more impact than brexit | |||
"What grey area? Under law you are classed as an adult at 18 and will be accountable to law as an adult. What has the age of being a mother got to do with that? Think beyond what is black and white for a moment and consider the legislation around this subject of adulthood - you cannot drink but you can have sex and become a parent before becoming a legally defined adult. Does that not seem illogical to you? There is a line in the sand, there needs to be one for all manner of legal reasons mainly money and crime. The coupling together of alcohol, motherhood and lifestyle could be ultra hardline and start to lean towards the southern states of interference. What do you think is a logical then, what would you change? Of course there needs to be a line. We need to protect the young (and trying to protect them from themselves is probably the hardest thing). I have seen science argue that mentally/emotionally people are not mature enough to be adults until well into their twenties. Biologically (from the point of reproduction) it is years earlier. The definition of adulthood changes according to culture, era, country or state. It is a very difficult decision to make. We could outlaw sex until 18. Or we could change definitions. A child is under 16, an adult is 18+, an (for example) adolescent is 16 and 17. Consider the Prince Andrew case of the woman being 17 - legal here but not in America. See, a very grey area. Society decides what is legally allowed, the age of consent is always going to be contentious, some going higher some going lower and it will never really be agreed upon by everyone. Putting laws in place are there too advise on behaviour and punish if broken. The laws on serving alcohol to under 18's is not the same in your house as it is in a pub or restaurant for example, the decision to serve a glass of wine with a meal to a 17 year old is left to the parent. The age of being classed as an adult is literally when you are deemed legally responsible for making your own decisions. It is a catch all line in the sand, moving it one way or the other, would have more impact than brexit " You're not telling me anything I don't already know. In light of the latest story re a BBC presenter obtaining photos... The legal aspect is paramount. Which law takes precedence? If you're wondering why I am being cagey, is that I want to discuss the legislation and not the subjects of any case that hasn't reached (a) a conclusion and (b) goes against forum rules. | |||
"What grey area? Under law you are classed as an adult at 18 and will be accountable to law as an adult. What has the age of being a mother got to do with that? Think beyond what is black and white for a moment and consider the legislation around this subject of adulthood - you cannot drink but you can have sex and become a parent before becoming a legally defined adult. Does that not seem illogical to you? There is a line in the sand, there needs to be one for all manner of legal reasons mainly money and crime. The coupling together of alcohol, motherhood and lifestyle could be ultra hardline and start to lean towards the southern states of interference. What do you think is a logical then, what would you change? Of course there needs to be a line. We need to protect the young (and trying to protect them from themselves is probably the hardest thing). I have seen science argue that mentally/emotionally people are not mature enough to be adults until well into their twenties. Biologically (from the point of reproduction) it is years earlier. The definition of adulthood changes according to culture, era, country or state. It is a very difficult decision to make. We could outlaw sex until 18. Or we could change definitions. A child is under 16, an adult is 18+, an (for example) adolescent is 16 and 17. Consider the Prince Andrew case of the woman being 17 - legal here but not in America. See, a very grey area. Society decides what is legally allowed, the age of consent is always going to be contentious, some going higher some going lower and it will never really be agreed upon by everyone. Putting laws in place are there too advise on behaviour and punish if broken. The laws on serving alcohol to under 18's is not the same in your house as it is in a pub or restaurant for example, the decision to serve a glass of wine with a meal to a 17 year old is left to the parent. The age of being classed as an adult is literally when you are deemed legally responsible for making your own decisions. It is a catch all line in the sand, moving it one way or the other, would have more impact than brexit You're not telling me anything I don't already know. In light of the latest story re a BBC presenter obtaining photos... The legal aspect is paramount. Which law takes precedence? If you're wondering why I am being cagey, is that I want to discuss the legislation and not the subjects of any case that hasn't reached (a) a conclusion and (b) goes against forum rules." You might want to ask a question relevant to the discussion you want, mind reading was not on my syllabus 
Is this what you want?
Section 76 Serious Crime Act 2015 (SCA 2015) created the offence of controlling or coercive behaviour in an intimate or family relationship
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"Go for 16, voting, we have had it for years and surprise surprise we ain't broke the country." If the govt did that I England, this would have to change: "You can leave school on the last Friday in June if you’ll be 16 by the end of the summer holidays. You must then do one of the following until you’re 18: stay in full-time education, for example at a college start an apprenticeship or traineeship spend 20 hours or more a week working or volunteering, while in part-time education or training" | |||
"Go for 16, voting, we have had it for years and surprise surprise we ain't broke the country. If the govt did that I England, this would have to change: "You can leave school on the last Friday in June if you’ll be 16 by the end of the summer holidays. You must then do one of the following until you’re 18: stay in full-time education, for example at a college start an apprenticeship or traineeship spend 20 hours or more a week working or volunteering, while in part-time education or training"" If you can pay tax, you should be able to vote for those who spend your taxes. | |||
"Go for 16, voting, we have had it for years and surprise surprise we ain't broke the country. If the govt did that I England, this would have to change: "You can leave school on the last Friday in June if you’ll be 16 by the end of the summer holidays. You must then do one of the following until you’re 18: stay in full-time education, for example at a college start an apprenticeship or traineeship spend 20 hours or more a week working or volunteering, while in part-time education or training" If you can pay tax, you should be able to vote for those who spend your taxes." I would agree to pay tax=vote = adult. However, the twenty hours a week won't earn enough to pay tax. | |||
"Go for 16, voting, we have had it for years and surprise surprise we ain't broke the country." In Scotland, you're an adult and a child at 16... Omg  | |||
"Go for 16, voting, we have had it for years and surprise surprise we ain't broke the country." Age 16 to vote is wanted by left leaning parties because of socialist views = perception of getting something for nothing. Every single 16 year old would vote that way without any idea of how an economy works. I wouldn't even trust my very very clever 18 year old to understand fully. This is a girl who has studied A-level politics. I didn't fully understand myself until mid 20s probably, and I'm sure even now, must of us would probably admit, there's still things we don't understand without doing a lot of research, which we really don't have time for. | |||
"Go for 16, voting, we have had it for years and surprise surprise we ain't broke the country. In Scotland, you're an adult and a child at 16... Omg "16 year old vote in the Scottish elections | |||
"Go for 16, voting, we have had it for years and surprise surprise we ain't broke the country. Age 16 to vote is wanted by left leaning parties because of socialist views = perception of getting something for nothing. Every single 16 year old would vote that way without any idea of how an economy works. I wouldn't even trust my very very clever 18 year old to understand fully. This is a girl who has studied A-level politics. I didn't fully understand myself until mid 20s probably, and I'm sure even now, must of us would probably admit, there's still things we don't understand without doing a lot of research, which we really don't have time for." If you don't understand it, you have just gave an argument for taking the vote of yourself.....clever  | |||
"Go for 16, voting, we have had it for years and surprise surprise we ain't broke the country. Age 16 to vote is wanted by left leaning parties because of socialist views = perception of getting something for nothing. Every single 16 year old would vote that way without any idea of how an economy works. I wouldn't even trust my very very clever 18 year old to understand fully. This is a girl who has studied A-level politics. I didn't fully understand myself until mid 20s probably, and I'm sure even now, must of us would probably admit, there's still things we don't understand without doing a lot of research, which we really don't have time for. If you don't understand it, you have just gave an argument for taking the vote of yourself.....clever "You understand every aspect of politics without research? | |||
"Go for 16, voting, we have had it for years and surprise surprise we ain't broke the country. Age 16 to vote is wanted by left leaning parties because of socialist views = perception of getting something for nothing. Every single 16 year old would vote that way without any idea of how an economy works. I wouldn't even trust my very very clever 18 year old to understand fully. This is a girl who has studied A-level politics. I didn't fully understand myself until mid 20s probably, and I'm sure even now, must of us would probably admit, there's still things we don't understand without doing a lot of research, which we really don't have time for." Demographic shift - the only groups who overwhelmingly vote Tory now are those 55+ On that topic, this is the new battle for the tories, one for their own survival. | |||
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"Go for 16, voting, we have had it for years and surprise surprise we ain't broke the country. Age 16 to vote is wanted by left leaning parties because of socialist views = perception of getting something for nothing. Every single 16 year old would vote that way without any idea of how an economy works. I wouldn't even trust my very very clever 18 year old to understand fully. This is a girl who has studied A-level politics. I didn't fully understand myself until mid 20s probably, and I'm sure even now, must of us would probably admit, there's still things we don't understand without doing a lot of research, which we really don't have time for. Demographic shift - the only groups who overwhelmingly vote Tory now are those 55+ On that topic, this is the new battle for the tories, one for their own survival." In 2019 labour lost vote share in every single age bracket, let that sink in, every single one. The Tories aren't picking this fight, the left want it because 'something for nothing perception' will give the easy votes. | |||
"Go for 16, voting, we have had it for years and surprise surprise we ain't broke the country. Age 16 to vote is wanted by left leaning parties because of socialist views = perception of getting something for nothing. Every single 16 year old would vote that way without any idea of how an economy works. I wouldn't even trust my very very clever 18 year old to understand fully. This is a girl who has studied A-level politics. I didn't fully understand myself until mid 20s probably, and I'm sure even now, must of us would probably admit, there's still things we don't understand without doing a lot of research, which we really don't have time for. If you don't understand it, you have just gave an argument for taking the vote of yourself.....clever
You understand every aspect of politics without research? "Didn't say I did, just reading back on what you said. | |||
"Go for 16, voting, we have had it for years and surprise surprise we ain't broke the country. Age 16 to vote is wanted by left leaning parties because of socialist views = perception of getting something for nothing. Every single 16 year old would vote that way without any idea of how an economy works. I wouldn't even trust my very very clever 18 year old to understand fully. This is a girl who has studied A-level politics. I didn't fully understand myself until mid 20s probably, and I'm sure even now, must of us would probably admit, there's still things we don't understand without doing a lot of research, which we really don't have time for. If you don't understand it, you have just gave an argument for taking the vote of yourself.....clever
You understand every aspect of politics without research?
Didn't say I did, just reading back on what you said."You should probably read again because if you don't understand it, you've probably given a reason to stop replying  | |||
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"Go for 16, voting, we have had it for years and surprise surprise we ain't broke the country. Age 16 to vote is wanted by left leaning parties because of socialist views = perception of getting something for nothing. Every single 16 year old would vote that way without any idea of how an economy works. I wouldn't even trust my very very clever 18 year old to understand fully. This is a girl who has studied A-level politics. I didn't fully understand myself until mid 20s probably, and I'm sure even now, must of us would probably admit, there's still things we don't understand without doing a lot of research, which we really don't have time for. If you don't understand it, you have just gave an argument for taking the vote of yourself.....clever
You understand every aspect of politics without research?
Didn't say I did, just reading back on what you said.
You should probably read again because if you don't understand it, you've probably given a reason to stop replying "I didn't fully understand myself until mid 20s probably, and I'm sure even now, must of us would probably admit, there's still things we don't understand without doing a lot of research, which we really don't have time for. You wrote you still don't fully understand politics, you wrote people who don't understand politics shouldn't get the vote ....lololol | |||
"Go for 16, voting, we have had it for years and surprise surprise we ain't broke the country. Age 16 to vote is wanted by left leaning parties because of socialist views = perception of getting something for nothing. Every single 16 year old would vote that way without any idea of how an economy works. I wouldn't even trust my very very clever 18 year old to understand fully. This is a girl who has studied A-level politics. I didn't fully understand myself until mid 20s probably, and I'm sure even now, must of us would probably admit, there's still things we don't understand without doing a lot of research, which we really don't have time for. If you don't understand it, you have just gave an argument for taking the vote of yourself.....clever
You understand every aspect of politics without research?
Didn't say I did, just reading back on what you said.
You should probably read again because if you don't understand it, you've probably given a reason to stop replying
I didn't fully understand myself until mid 20s probably, and I'm sure even now, must of us would probably admit, there's still things we don't understand without doing a lot of research, which we really don't have time for.
You wrote you still don't fully understand politics, you wrote people who don't understand politics shouldn't get the vote ....lololol"I wrote there's thing we don't fully understand without researching, something most of us don't really have time for. That doesn't mean we don't find time if it's important to us
At no point did I say people who don't understand shouldn't get to vote, I was pointing out that most young adults would already struggle let alone even younger ones.
Next time, do better than trying to twist my words | |||
"Go for 16, voting, we have had it for years and surprise surprise we ain't broke the country. Age 16 to vote is wanted by left leaning parties because of socialist views = perception of getting something for nothing. Every single 16 year old would vote that way without any idea of how an economy works. I wouldn't even trust my very very clever 18 year old to understand fully. This is a girl who has studied A-level politics. I didn't fully understand myself until mid 20s probably, and I'm sure even now, must of us would probably admit, there's still things we don't understand without doing a lot of research, which we really don't have time for. If you don't understand it, you have just gave an argument for taking the vote of yourself.....clever
You understand every aspect of politics without research?
Didn't say I did, just reading back on what you said.
You should probably read again because if you don't understand it, you've probably given a reason to stop replying
I didn't fully understand myself until mid 20s probably, and I'm sure even now, must of us would probably admit, there's still things we don't understand without doing a lot of research, which we really don't have time for.
You wrote you still don't fully understand politics, you wrote people who don't understand politics shouldn't get the vote ....lololol
I wrote there's thing we don't fully understand without researching, something most of us don't really have time for. That doesn't mean we don't find time if it's important to us
At no point did I say people who don't understand shouldn't get to vote, I was pointing out that most young adults would already struggle let alone even younger ones.
Next time, do better than trying to twist my words "Lol...its a direct quote from you, you can't twist type. Anyway for reference at 16 I was fully aware of the political debate, left, right and centre and had a chosen path. 16 year old can marry, join the forces, go to university, get a job and drive so denying them the vote is silly. It is their future, they should have a say in it. I'll let you have the last word, I'm putting the kettle on. Have a adequate day  | |||
"Go for 16, voting, we have had it for years and surprise surprise we ain't broke the country. Age 16 to vote is wanted by left leaning parties because of socialist views = perception of getting something for nothing. Every single 16 year old would vote that way without any idea of how an economy works. I wouldn't even trust my very very clever 18 year old to understand fully. This is a girl who has studied A-level politics. I didn't fully understand myself until mid 20s probably, and I'm sure even now, must of us would probably admit, there's still things we don't understand without doing a lot of research, which we really don't have time for. If you don't understand it, you have just gave an argument for taking the vote of yourself.....clever
You understand every aspect of politics without research?
Didn't say I did, just reading back on what you said.
You should probably read again because if you don't understand it, you've probably given a reason to stop replying
I didn't fully understand myself until mid 20s probably, and I'm sure even now, must of us would probably admit, there's still things we don't understand without doing a lot of research, which we really don't have time for.
You wrote you still don't fully understand politics, you wrote people who don't understand politics shouldn't get the vote ....lololol
I wrote there's thing we don't fully understand without researching, something most of us don't really have time for. That doesn't mean we don't find time if it's important to us
At no point did I say people who don't understand shouldn't get to vote, I was pointing out that most young adults would already struggle let alone even younger ones.
Next time, do better than trying to twist my words
Lol...its a direct quote from you, you can't twist type.
Anyway for reference at 16 I was fully aware of the political debate, left, right and centre and had a chosen path.
16 year old can marry, join the forces, go to university, get a job and drive so denying them the vote is silly. It is their future, they should have a say in it.
I'll let you have the last word, I'm putting the kettle on.
Have a adequate day "Can you show me a direct quote where I said 'people who don't understand politics shouldn't get the vote'? BTW, in England you cannot marry or join the forces until you're 18 years old. You may go to university but you'd have to be very very exceptional. I'm not sure where you're getting your information but you might want to check it. | |||
"Go for 16, voting, we have had it for years and surprise surprise we ain't broke the country. Age 16 to vote is wanted by left leaning parties because of socialist views = perception of getting something for nothing. Every single 16 year old would vote that way without any idea of how an economy works. I wouldn't even trust my very very clever 18 year old to understand fully. This is a girl who has studied A-level politics. I didn't fully understand myself until mid 20s probably, and I'm sure even now, must of us would probably admit, there's still things we don't understand without doing a lot of research, which we really don't have time for. Demographic shift - the only groups who overwhelmingly vote Tory now are those 55+ On that topic, this is the new battle for the tories, one for their own survival. In 2019 labour lost vote share in every single age bracket, let that sink in, every single one. The Tories aren't picking this fight, the left want it because 'something for nothing perception' will give the easy votes." Pretending 2019 wasn’t an outlier doesn’t change the data on Tory demographics. https://www.politicshome.com/news/article/conservative-millennial-problem-polling-young-voters | |||
"Go for 16, voting, we have had it for years and surprise surprise we ain't broke the country. Age 16 to vote is wanted by left leaning parties because of socialist views = perception of getting something for nothing. Every single 16 year old would vote that way without any idea of how an economy works. I wouldn't even trust my very very clever 18 year old to understand fully. This is a girl who has studied A-level politics. I didn't fully understand myself until mid 20s probably, and I'm sure even now, must of us would probably admit, there's still things we don't understand without doing a lot of research, which we really don't have time for. Demographic shift - the only groups who overwhelmingly vote Tory now are those 55+ On that topic, this is the new battle for the tories, one for their own survival. In 2019 labour lost vote share in every single age bracket, let that sink in, every single one. The Tories aren't picking this fight, the left want it because 'something for nothing perception' will give the easy votes. Pretending 2019 wasn’t an outlier doesn’t change the data on Tory demographics. https://www.politicshome.com/news/article/conservative-millennial-problem-polling-young-voters" Another good piece on the Tory demographic problem. https://www.newstatesman.com/comment/2022/08/conservatives-cant-rely-older-voters-forever | |||
"Go for 16, voting, we have had it for years and surprise surprise we ain't broke the country. Age 16 to vote is wanted by left leaning parties because of socialist views = perception of getting something for nothing. Every single 16 year old would vote that way without any idea of how an economy works. I wouldn't even trust my very very clever 18 year old to understand fully. This is a girl who has studied A-level politics. I didn't fully understand myself until mid 20s probably, and I'm sure even now, must of us would probably admit, there's still things we don't understand without doing a lot of research, which we really don't have time for. Demographic shift - the only groups who overwhelmingly vote Tory now are those 55+ On that topic, this is the new battle for the tories, one for their own survival. In 2019 labour lost vote share in every single age bracket, let that sink in, every single one. The Tories aren't picking this fight, the left want it because 'something for nothing perception' will give the easy votes. Pretending 2019 wasn’t an outlier doesn’t change the data on Tory demographics. https://www.politicshome.com/news/article/conservative-millennial-problem-polling-young-voters" The Tories lost 25-34 & 75+ share in 2019. Of course people were voting for a specific issue. Next time round I see them losing the 65-74 bracket too, and possibly others. The point was that it wasn't just the 55+ where the Tories picked up a share. | |||
"Go for 16, voting, we have had it for years and surprise surprise we ain't broke the country. Age 16 to vote is wanted by left leaning parties because of socialist views = perception of getting something for nothing. Every single 16 year old would vote that way without any idea of how an economy works. I wouldn't even trust my very very clever 18 year old to understand fully. This is a girl who has studied A-level politics. I didn't fully understand myself until mid 20s probably, and I'm sure even now, must of us would probably admit, there's still things we don't understand without doing a lot of research, which we really don't have time for. If you don't understand it, you have just gave an argument for taking the vote of yourself.....clever
You understand every aspect of politics without research?
Didn't say I did, just reading back on what you said.
You should probably read again because if you don't understand it, you've probably given a reason to stop replying
I didn't fully understand myself until mid 20s probably, and I'm sure even now, must of us would probably admit, there's still things we don't understand without doing a lot of research, which we really don't have time for.
You wrote you still don't fully understand politics, you wrote people who don't understand politics shouldn't get the vote ....lololol
I wrote there's thing we don't fully understand without researching, something most of us don't really have time for. That doesn't mean we don't find time if it's important to us
At no point did I say people who don't understand shouldn't get to vote, I was pointing out that most young adults would already struggle let alone even younger ones.
Next time, do better than trying to twist my words
Lol...its a direct quote from you, you can't twist type.
Anyway for reference at 16 I was fully aware of the political debate, left, right and centre and had a chosen path.
16 year old can marry, join the forces, go to university, get a job and drive so denying them the vote is silly. It is their future, they should have a say in it.
I'll let you have the last word, I'm putting the kettle on.
Have a adequate day
Can you show me a direct quote where I said 'people who don't understand politics shouldn't get the vote'?
BTW, in England you cannot marry or join the forces until you're 18 years old. You may go to university but you'd have to be very very exceptional.
I'm not sure where you're getting your information but you might want to check it."You may want to know he is in Scotland. He never claimed England. | |||
"Go for 16, voting, we have had it for years and surprise surprise we ain't broke the country. Age 16 to vote is wanted by left leaning parties because of socialist views = perception of getting something for nothing. Every single 16 year old would vote that way without any idea of how an economy works. I wouldn't even trust my very very clever 18 year old to understand fully. This is a girl who has studied A-level politics. I didn't fully understand myself until mid 20s probably, and I'm sure even now, must of us would probably admit, there's still things we don't understand without doing a lot of research, which we really don't have time for. If you don't understand it, you have just gave an argument for taking the vote of yourself.....clever
You understand every aspect of politics without research?
Didn't say I did, just reading back on what you said.
You should probably read again because if you don't understand it, you've probably given a reason to stop replying
I didn't fully understand myself until mid 20s probably, and I'm sure even now, must of us would probably admit, there's still things we don't understand without doing a lot of research, which we really don't have time for.
You wrote you still don't fully understand politics, you wrote people who don't understand politics shouldn't get the vote ....lololol
I wrote there's thing we don't fully understand without researching, something most of us don't really have time for. That doesn't mean we don't find time if it's important to us
At no point did I say people who don't understand shouldn't get to vote, I was pointing out that most young adults would already struggle let alone even younger ones.
Next time, do better than trying to twist my words
Lol...its a direct quote from you, you can't twist type.
Anyway for reference at 16 I was fully aware of the political debate, left, right and centre and had a chosen path.
16 year old can marry, join the forces, go to university, get a job and drive so denying them the vote is silly. It is their future, they should have a say in it.
I'll let you have the last word, I'm putting the kettle on.
Have a adequate day
Can you show me a direct quote where I said 'people who don't understand politics shouldn't get the vote'?
BTW, in England you cannot marry or join the forces until you're 18 years old. You may go to university but you'd have to be very very exceptional.
I'm not sure where you're getting your information but you might want to check it.
You may want to know he is in Scotland. He never claimed England."I thought we were talking about the England, as the OP says England. If we weren't, I'm not sure his point as 16 year olds can already vote in Scotland. | |||
"In England we define an adult as aged 18 and above. And yet parenthood can start legally at aged 16 years and nine months. This means there is a grey area. Should we redefine the legal starting age of adulthood or parenthood?" There are nuances to these laws. Much like tax laws in the uk. Sometimes we over complicate things and we need to just strip them back to basics. Trying to understand what tax to lay shouldn't take 2400 pages of text to learn. Sometimes it should just have a line I the sand. My preference is that driving, consent etc. Should all move up. If you can't buy alcohol yourself, can't buy cigs etc this should all fall under the banner of 18. Where a problem comes in is that typically the uk has much higher revels of teenage sex and pregnancy with people believing there's a pressure to have aex before 16 because " cool kids" are doing it. Whereas if younlwper the age of consent you can do it in your own time when you're ready.. but this obviously opens up a rafter of problems. For me I would look at flattening every adult being 18 certainly voting ages, cigarettes, alcohol, buying knives etc all 18. I would look toward better aex education. In my day at school. This was at the front of brookside first lesbian kiss etc and a lot of topic were about it being saft to come out, being gat isn't bad etc. Whereas I appreciate this does need re affirming it doesn't need it for 5 whole years pf (public social education) PSE as it was called I'm my school. Teach more about what having a child does to your vagina, tearing, c sections cutting through muscles, the possibility of chlamydia, what a g spot is? What it does. Forms of contraception. Why you have public hair etc etc. | |||
"In England we define an adult as aged 18 and above. And yet parenthood can start legally at aged 16 years and nine months. This means there is a grey area. Should we redefine the legal starting age of adulthood or parenthood? There are nuances to these laws. Much like tax laws in the uk. Sometimes we over complicate things and we need to just strip them back to basics. Trying to understand what tax to lay shouldn't take 2400 pages of text to learn. Sometimes it should just have a line I the sand. My preference is that driving, consent etc. Should all move up. If you can't buy alcohol yourself, can't buy cigs etc this should all fall under the banner of 18. Where a problem comes in is that typically the uk has much higher revels of teenage sex and pregnancy with people believing there's a pressure to have aex before 16 because " cool kids" are doing it. Whereas if younlwper the age of consent you can do it in your own time when you're ready.. but this obviously opens up a rafter of problems. For me I would look at flattening every adult being 18 certainly voting ages, cigarettes, alcohol, buying knives etc all 18. I would look toward better aex education. In my day at school. This was at the front of brookside first lesbian kiss etc and a lot of topic were about it being saft to come out, being gat isn't bad etc. Whereas I appreciate this does need re affirming it doesn't need it for 5 whole years pf (public social education) PSE as it was called I'm my school. Teach more about what having a child does to your vagina, tearing, c sections cutting through muscles, the possibility of chlamydia, what a g spot is? What it does. Forms of contraception. Why you have public hair etc etc. " Teen pregnancy rates have been falling for the past 20 years though. Education works. | |||
" For me I would look at flattening every adult being 18 certainly voting ages, cigarettes, alcohol, buying knives etc all 18. " I dunno how to tell you this…. | |||
"Go for 16, voting, we have had it for years and surprise surprise we ain't broke the country. Age 16 to vote is wanted by left leaning parties because of socialist views = perception of getting something for nothing. Every single 16 year old would vote that way without any idea of how an economy works. I wouldn't even trust my very very clever 18 year old to understand fully. This is a girl who has studied A-level politics. I didn't fully understand myself until mid 20s probably, and I'm sure even now, must of us would probably admit, there's still things we don't understand without doing a lot of research, which we really don't have time for. If you don't understand it, you have just gave an argument for taking the vote of yourself.....clever
You understand every aspect of politics without research?
Didn't say I did, just reading back on what you said.
You should probably read again because if you don't understand it, you've probably given a reason to stop replying
I didn't fully understand myself until mid 20s probably, and I'm sure even now, must of us would probably admit, there's still things we don't understand without doing a lot of research, which we really don't have time for.
You wrote you still don't fully understand politics, you wrote people who don't understand politics shouldn't get the vote ....lololol
I wrote there's thing we don't fully understand without researching, something most of us don't really have time for. That doesn't mean we don't find time if it's important to us
At no point did I say people who don't understand shouldn't get to vote, I was pointing out that most young adults would already struggle let alone even younger ones.
Next time, do better than trying to twist my words
Lol...its a direct quote from you, you can't twist type.
Anyway for reference at 16 I was fully aware of the political debate, left, right and centre and had a chosen path.
16 year old can marry, join the forces, go to university, get a job and drive so denying them the vote is silly. It is their future, they should have a say in it.
I'll let you have the last word, I'm putting the kettle on.
Have a adequate day
Can you show me a direct quote where I said 'people who don't understand politics shouldn't get the vote'?
BTW, in England you cannot marry or join the forces until you're 18 years old. You may go to university but you'd have to be very very exceptional.
I'm not sure where you're getting your information but you might want to check it.
You may want to know he is in Scotland. He never claimed England.
I thought we were talking about the England, as the OP says England.
If we weren't, I'm not sure his point as 16 year olds can already vote in Scotland."That's what he stated | |||
"In England we define an adult as aged 18 and above. And yet parenthood can start legally at aged 16 years and nine months. This means there is a grey area. Should we redefine the legal starting age of adulthood or parenthood? There are nuances to these laws. Much like tax laws in the uk. Sometimes we over complicate things and we need to just strip them back to basics. Trying to understand what tax to lay shouldn't take 2400 pages of text to learn. Sometimes it should just have a line I the sand. My preference is that driving, consent etc. Should all move up. If you can't buy alcohol yourself, can't buy cigs etc this should all fall under the banner of 18. Where a problem comes in is that typically the uk has much higher revels of teenage sex and pregnancy with people believing there's a pressure to have aex before 16 because " cool kids" are doing it. Whereas if younlwper the age of consent you can do it in your own time when you're ready.. but this obviously opens up a rafter of problems. For me I would look at flattening every adult being 18 certainly voting ages, cigarettes, alcohol, buying knives etc all 18. I would look toward better aex education. In my day at school. This was at the front of brookside first lesbian kiss etc and a lot of topic were about it being saft to come out, being gat isn't bad etc. Whereas I appreciate this does need re affirming it doesn't need it for 5 whole years pf (public social education) PSE as it was called I'm my school. Teach more about what having a child does to your vagina, tearing, c sections cutting through muscles, the possibility of chlamydia, what a g spot is? What it does. Forms of contraception. Why you have public hair etc etc. Teen pregnancy rates have been falling for the past 20 years though. Education works. " That wasn't the education I experienced. I received pse until 16 that was until 2004 ish. So I can't comment on what's taught atm. But hopefully it's more insightful than what I learned. Ironically teen pregnancies fell around the time of the economic crash. Would be interesting to see when the adulation changed or if economic polictical circumstances have affected such things. | |||
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"Go for 16, voting, we have had it for years and surprise surprise we ain't broke the country. Age 16 to vote is wanted by left leaning parties because of socialist views = perception of getting something for nothing. Every single 16 year old would vote that way without any idea of how an economy works. I wouldn't even trust my very very clever 18 year old to understand fully. This is a girl who has studied A-level politics. I didn't fully understand myself until mid 20s probably, and I'm sure even now, must of us would probably admit, there's still things we don't understand without doing a lot of research, which we really don't have time for." +1 to that. Was a hardcore socialist from my late teens to mid twenties. Then I realised how stupid the idea was. There are multiple reasons why people turn away from socialism when they are over 30. - People start earning higher around that age, thanks to experience. So they tend to fall into higher tax brackets. Every time a socialist idea comes up, they know that it will result in increase of taxes for them. - They also have lot of financial responsibilities with family and kids. Any increase in tax makes it harder to achieve their dreams or fulfill those responsibilities. - They have enough life experiences to know more about human behaviour that they intuitively know why socialism is a terrible idea. - Then if someone does learn more about economics in the process, it shows why central planning will be a disaster in an economy with millions of people. | |||
"Go for 16, voting, we have had it for years and surprise surprise we ain't broke the country. Age 16 to vote is wanted by left leaning parties because of socialist views = perception of getting something for nothing. Every single 16 year old would vote that way without any idea of how an economy works. I wouldn't even trust my very very clever 18 year old to understand fully. This is a girl who has studied A-level politics. I didn't fully understand myself until mid 20s probably, and I'm sure even now, must of us would probably admit, there's still things we don't understand without doing a lot of research, which we really don't have time for. +1 to that. Was a hardcore socialist from my late teens to mid twenties. Then I realised how stupid the idea was. There are multiple reasons why people turn away from socialism when they are over 30. - People start earning higher around that age, thanks to experience. So they tend to fall into higher tax brackets. Every time a socialist idea comes up, they know that it will result in increase of taxes for them. - They also have lot of financial responsibilities with family and kids. Any increase in tax makes it harder to achieve their dreams or fulfill those responsibilities. - They have enough life experiences to know more about human behaviour that they intuitively know why socialism is a terrible idea. - Then if someone does learn more about economics in the process, it shows why central planning will be a disaster in an economy with millions of people. " If your passion for socialism wanes when you start earning more money, you were never a socialist. | |||
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"Go for 16, voting, we have had it for years and surprise surprise we ain't broke the country. Age 16 to vote is wanted by left leaning parties because of socialist views = perception of getting something for nothing. Every single 16 year old would vote that way without any idea of how an economy works. I wouldn't even trust my very very clever 18 year old to understand fully. This is a girl who has studied A-level politics. I didn't fully understand myself until mid 20s probably, and I'm sure even now, must of us would probably admit, there's still things we don't understand without doing a lot of research, which we really don't have time for. +1 to that. Was a hardcore socialist from my late teens to mid twenties. Then I realised how stupid the idea was. There are multiple reasons why people turn away from socialism when they are over 30. - People start earning higher around that age, thanks to experience. So they tend to fall into higher tax brackets. Every time a socialist idea comes up, they know that it will result in increase of taxes for them. - They also have lot of financial responsibilities with family and kids. Any increase in tax makes it harder to achieve their dreams or fulfill those responsibilities. - They have enough life experiences to know more about human behaviour that they intuitively know why socialism is a terrible idea. - Then if someone does learn more about economics in the process, it shows why central planning will be a disaster in an economy with millions of people. If your passion for socialism wanes when you start earning more money, you were never a socialist. " I said it is one of the reasons why passion for socialism wanes. There are multitude of other reasons too. Even if we assume that the person moved away from socialism once they started earning more money, it doesn't automatically imply they were never socialist. Maybe they realised that earning money isn't that hard as the left wing politicians would make you believe. So they did believe in left wing ideals to start with and then realigned their views. | |||
"Go for 16, voting, we have had it for years and surprise surprise we ain't broke the country. Age 16 to vote is wanted by left leaning parties because of socialist views = perception of getting something for nothing. Every single 16 year old would vote that way without any idea of how an economy works. I wouldn't even trust my very very clever 18 year old to understand fully. This is a girl who has studied A-level politics. I didn't fully understand myself until mid 20s probably, and I'm sure even now, must of us would probably admit, there's still things we don't understand without doing a lot of research, which we really don't have time for. +1 to that. Was a hardcore socialist from my late teens to mid twenties. Then I realised how stupid the idea was. There are multiple reasons why people turn away from socialism when they are over 30. - People start earning higher around that age, thanks to experience. So they tend to fall into higher tax brackets. Every time a socialist idea comes up, they know that it will result in increase of taxes for them. - They also have lot of financial responsibilities with family and kids. Any increase in tax makes it harder to achieve their dreams or fulfill those responsibilities. - They have enough life experiences to know more about human behaviour that they intuitively know why socialism is a terrible idea. - Then if someone does learn more about economics in the process, it shows why central planning will be a disaster in an economy with millions of people. If your passion for socialism wanes when you start earning more money, you were never a socialist. " Or he woke up, goes both ways by the looks of things? | |||
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"Go for 16, voting, we have had it for years and surprise surprise we ain't broke the country. Age 16 to vote is wanted by left leaning parties because of socialist views = perception of getting something for nothing. Every single 16 year old would vote that way without any idea of how an economy works. I wouldn't even trust my very very clever 18 year old to understand fully. This is a girl who has studied A-level politics. I didn't fully understand myself until mid 20s probably, and I'm sure even now, must of us would probably admit, there's still things we don't understand without doing a lot of research, which we really don't have time for. If you don't understand it, you have just gave an argument for taking the vote of yourself.....clever
You understand every aspect of politics without research?
Didn't say I did, just reading back on what you said.
You should probably read again because if you don't understand it, you've probably given a reason to stop replying
I didn't fully understand myself until mid 20s probably, and I'm sure even now, must of us would probably admit, there's still things we don't understand without doing a lot of research, which we really don't have time for.
You wrote you still don't fully understand politics, you wrote people who don't understand politics shouldn't get the vote ....lololol
I wrote there's thing we don't fully understand without researching, something most of us don't really have time for. That doesn't mean we don't find time if it's important to us
At no point did I say people who don't understand shouldn't get to vote, I was pointing out that most young adults would already struggle let alone even younger ones.
Next time, do better than trying to twist my words
Lol...its a direct quote from you, you can't twist type.
Anyway for reference at 16 I was fully aware of the political debate, left, right and centre and had a chosen path.
16 year old can marry, join the forces, go to university, get a job and drive so denying them the vote is silly. It is their future, they should have a say in it.
I'll let you have the last word, I'm putting the kettle on.
Have a adequate day
Can you show me a direct quote where I said 'people who don't understand politics shouldn't get the vote'?
BTW, in England you cannot marry or join the forces until you're 18 years old. You may go to university but you'd have to be very very exceptional.
I'm not sure where you're getting your information but you might want to check it.
You may want to know he is in Scotland. He never claimed England.
I thought we were talking about the England, as the OP says England.
If we weren't, I'm not sure his point as 16 year olds can already vote in Scotland.
That's what he stated "What did he state? That 16 year olds can already vote in Scotland? Maybe I'm blind  | |||
"This thread is so strange, one of the strangest I’ve seen on here. The question is loose and the answers are personal, a political minefield. Happy rabbit holes, I will watch from the sidelines "Fine by me. No-one forces anyone to participate in these threads, especially if they don't like the question | |||
"Go for 16, voting, we have had it for years and surprise surprise we ain't broke the country." This is what the guy in Scotland stated. Admittedly I had worked it out it was Scotland. I forget I'm bright at times  | |||
"Not read the thread soz... IMO we need complete harmonisation at 18 for everything. Why can a 16 yr old die for their country and pay tax but not vote, not drive, not get married without parent’s permission? I say move it all to 18." I think not having grey areas is a good thing. | |||
"Go for 16, voting, we have had it for years and surprise surprise we ain't broke the country. Age 16 to vote is wanted by left leaning parties because of socialist views = perception of getting something for nothing. Every single 16 year old would vote that way without any idea of how an economy works. I wouldn't even trust my very very clever 18 year old to understand fully. This is a girl who has studied A-level politics. I didn't fully understand myself until mid 20s probably, and I'm sure even now, must of us would probably admit, there's still things we don't understand without doing a lot of research, which we really don't have time for. +1 to that. Was a hardcore socialist from my late teens to mid twenties. Then I realised how stupid the idea was. There are multiple reasons why people turn away from socialism when they are over 30. - People start earning higher around that age, thanks to experience. So they tend to fall into higher tax brackets. Every time a socialist idea comes up, they know that it will result in increase of taxes for them. - They also have lot of financial responsibilities with family and kids. Any increase in tax makes it harder to achieve their dreams or fulfill those responsibilities. - They have enough life experiences to know more about human behaviour that they intuitively know why socialism is a terrible idea. - Then if someone does learn more about economics in the process, it shows why central planning will be a disaster in an economy with millions of people. If your passion for socialism wanes when you start earning more money, you were never a socialist. Or he woke up, goes both ways by the looks of things?" Well the adage that you get more right wing as you age isn’t borne out by voting demographics, certainly in the U.K. - as mentioned elsewhere, this is the tories next big fight, since they only appeal in majority to those 55+ | |||
"This thread is so strange, one of the strangest I’ve seen on here. The question is loose and the answers are personal, a political minefield. Happy rabbit holes, I will watch from the sidelines
Fine by me. No-one forces anyone to participate in these threads, especially if they don't like the question "Fine or not by you, I’m not sure why that would be a thing you need to mention? I’m not seeking permission | |||
"This thread is so strange, one of the strangest I’ve seen on here. The question is loose and the answers are personal, a political minefield. Happy rabbit holes, I will watch from the sidelines
Fine by me. No-one forces anyone to participate in these threads, especially if they don't like the question
Fine or not by you, I’m not sure why that would be a thing you need to mention? I’m not seeking permission "I mention it cos I can. But weren't you just gonna watch from the sidelines? You could get some popcorn if you wanted  | |||
"Go for 16, voting, we have had it for years and surprise surprise we ain't broke the country. This is what the guy in Scotland stated. Admittedly I had worked it out it was Scotland. I forget I'm bright at times "Fair enough, he also said Scotland isn't broken | |||
"Go for 16, voting, we have had it for years and surprise surprise we ain't broke the country. This is what the guy in Scotland stated. Admittedly I had worked it out it was Scotland. I forget I'm bright at times
Fair enough, he also said Scotland isn't broken "Oooh SNP inference alert | |||
"This thread is so strange, one of the strangest I’ve seen on here. The question is loose and the answers are personal, a political minefield. Happy rabbit holes, I will watch from the sidelines
Fine by me. No-one forces anyone to participate in these threads, especially if they don't like the question
Fine or not by you, I’m not sure why that would be a thing you need to mention? I’m not seeking permission
I mention it cos I can. But weren't you just gonna watch from the sidelines? You could get some popcorn if you wanted "That is a fair point, I’m now watching  | |||
"Not read the thread soz... IMO we need complete harmonisation at 18 for everything. Why can a 16 yr old die for their country and pay tax but not vote, not drive, not get married without parent’s permission? I say move it all to 18." Agree in general Just a point 16 year old can join tbe army but not be sent to anywhere dangerous | |||
"Go for 16, voting, we have had it for years and surprise surprise we ain't broke the country. This is what the guy in Scotland stated. Admittedly I had worked it out it was Scotland. I forget I'm bright at times
Fair enough, he also said Scotland isn't broken
Oooh SNP inference alert "I said nothing about the SNP. If you ask the Scots, it's Westminster that's the problem, not Holyrood. | |||
"Go for 16, voting, we have had it for years and surprise surprise we ain't broke the country. This is what the guy in Scotland stated. Admittedly I had worked it out it was Scotland. I forget I'm bright at times
Fair enough, he also said Scotland isn't broken
Oooh SNP inference alert
I said nothing about the SNP. If you ask the Scots, it's Westminster that's the problem, not Holyrood."I inferred you meant the SNP is broken due to their state of finances. I can hold up my hands if I'm wrong  | |||
"Go for 16, voting, we have had it for years and surprise surprise we ain't broke the country. This is what the guy in Scotland stated. Admittedly I had worked it out it was Scotland. I forget I'm bright at times
Fair enough, he also said Scotland isn't broken
Oooh SNP inference alert
I said nothing about the SNP. If you ask the Scots, it's Westminster that's the problem, not Holyrood.
I inferred you meant the SNP is broken due to their state of finances. I can hold up my hands if I'm wrong "Oh the SNP aren't broken yet. Scotland most definitely is though. | |||
"Go for 16, voting, we have had it for years and surprise surprise we ain't broke the country. This is what the guy in Scotland stated. Admittedly I had worked it out it was Scotland. I forget I'm bright at times
Fair enough, he also said Scotland isn't broken
Oooh SNP inference alert
I said nothing about the SNP. If you ask the Scots, it's Westminster that's the problem, not Holyrood.
I inferred you meant the SNP is broken due to their state of finances. I can hold up my hands if I'm wrong
Oh the SNP aren't broken yet.
Scotland most definitely is though. "This is a wind up....got to be lololol | |||
"Go for 16, voting, we have had it for years and surprise surprise we ain't broke the country. This is what the guy in Scotland stated. Admittedly I had worked it out it was Scotland. I forget I'm bright at times
Fair enough, he also said Scotland isn't broken
Oooh SNP inference alert
I said nothing about the SNP. If you ask the Scots, it's Westminster that's the problem, not Holyrood.
I inferred you meant the SNP is broken due to their state of finances. I can hold up my hands if I'm wrong
Oh the SNP aren't broken yet.
Scotland most definitely is though. "Only if the Tories broke it . I think England is more broken (or broke... That fits). | |||
"What grey area? Under law you are classed as an adult at 18 and will be accountable to law as an adult. What has the age of being a mother got to do with that? Think beyond what is black and white for a moment and consider the legislation around this subject of adulthood - you cannot drink but you can have sex and become a parent before becoming a legally defined adult. Does that not seem illogical to you?" So are you saying the age of consent should be raised? | |||
"What grey area? Under law you are classed as an adult at 18 and will be accountable to law as an adult. What has the age of being a mother got to do with that? Think beyond what is black and white for a moment and consider the legislation around this subject of adulthood - you cannot drink but you can have sex and become a parent before becoming a legally defined adult. Does that not seem illogical to you? So are you saying the age of consent should be raised?" I've invited people to discuss this. I have elaborated on another post. | |||
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"Not read the thread soz... IMO we need complete harmonisation at 18 for everything. Why can a 16 yr old die for their country and pay tax but not vote, not drive, not get married without parent’s permission? I say move it all to 18. Agree in general Just a point 16 year old can join tbe army but not be sent to anywhere dangerous " I didn’t know that. Is that even the case if the UK was embroiled in a war? | |||
"Not read the thread soz... IMO we need complete harmonisation at 18 for everything. Why can a 16 yr old die for their country and pay tax but not vote, not drive, not get married without parent’s permission? I say move it all to 18. Agree in general Just a point 16 year old can join tbe army but not be sent to anywhere dangerous I didn’t know that. Is that even the case if the UK was embroiled in a war?" Not sure on exact rules but I'm sure minors (16-18) need parental consent to enlist. | |||
"Not read the thread soz... IMO we need complete harmonisation at 18 for everything. Why can a 16 yr old die for their country and pay tax but not vote, not drive, not get married without parent’s permission? I say move it all to 18. Agree in general Just a point 16 year old can join tbe army but not be sent to anywhere dangerous I didn’t know that. Is that even the case if the UK was embroiled in a war?" Yes. Even in war. In Iraq and Afghanistan they can't be sent there. They can work on bases training be sent to other non warring countries. But can't be put on the " frontline". But they can't also rescind their commitment when they turn 18. E.g if they change their mind about being in the army at 18. They get sent to the front line. People will have their own views on that. | |||
