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I've just done the test again, I wish we could share pics on here.
I sit just left of centre - just.
I sit just above centre - just.
This makes me ever so slightly in the 'authoritarian left' box.
Where do you sit?? |
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"I've just done the test again, I wish we could share pics on here.
I sit just left of centre - just.
I sit just above centre - just.
This makes me ever so slightly in the 'authoritarian left' box.
Where do you sit??"
I can’t remember the figures, it’s been so long since I did it, but I’m pretty much bang-centre of the liberal left square. |
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"I've just done the test again, I wish we could share pics on here.
I sit just left of centre - just.
I sit just above centre - just.
This makes me ever so slightly in the 'authoritarian left' box.
Where do you sit??
I can’t remember the figures, it’s been so long since I did it, but I’m pretty much bang-centre of the liberal left square."
Fuck sake, I definitely read mine wrong, will teach me for not scrolling. The one I read was an example 
Economic Left/Right: -2.0
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -4.1
Qould appear I'm not as 'centrist' as I had myself believe. |
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Economic left/right - 6.76
Social libertarian/authoritarian -5.49
I think I’ve moved a square further left. The libertarian/authoritarian axis is the same. |
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"I'm curious as to why there are no example countries in the green quarter where you guys reside.
I, on the other hand, have a choice  "
I would imagine that they've shown examples of 'extreme', my guess is there are no extremes in practice in the green box. |
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By *lfasoCouple
over a year ago
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"I'm curious as to why there are no example countries in the green quarter where you guys reside.
I, on the other hand, have a choice
I would imagine that they've shown examples of 'extreme', my guess is there are no extremes in practice in the green box."
I've never really thought of Switzerland as being extreme. I'm rather partial to chocolate, although I can understand that cuckoo clocks might induce psychosis |
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"I'm curious as to why there are no example countries in the green quarter where you guys reside.
I, on the other hand, have a choice
I would imagine that they've shown examples of 'extreme', my guess is there are no extremes in practice in the green box.
I've never really thought of Switzerland as being extreme. I'm rather partial to chocolate, although I can understand that cuckoo clocks might induce psychosis"
Makes sense to me. Fairly central on social scale, right on economic. |
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By *irldnCouple
over a year ago
Brighton |
"I've just done the test again, I wish we could share pics on here.
I sit just left of centre - just.
I sit just above centre - just.
This makes me ever so slightly in the 'authoritarian left' box.
Where do you sit??
I can’t remember the figures, it’s been so long since I did it, but I’m pretty much bang-centre of the liberal left square.
Fuck sake, I definitely read mine wrong, will teach me for not scrolling. The one I read was an example
Economic Left/Right: -2.0
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -4.1
Qould appear I'm not as 'centrist' as I had myself believe. "
As for me...
Economic Left/Right: -4.5
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -2.36
So heading left but not “left” on economic and closer to the centre (but just off to the left) on social.
I’d say that puts me firmly in the centre space.
Made me laugh though with page 6. I wonder how much that skews all of us on a swinger site with questions on sex and pornography? |
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"I've just done the test again, I wish we could share pics on here.
I sit just left of centre - just.
I sit just above centre - just.
This makes me ever so slightly in the 'authoritarian left' box.
Where do you sit??
I can’t remember the figures, it’s been so long since I did it, but I’m pretty much bang-centre of the liberal left square.
Fuck sake, I definitely read mine wrong, will teach me for not scrolling. The one I read was an example
Economic Left/Right: -2.0
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -4.1
Qould appear I'm not as 'centrist' as I had myself believe.
As for me...
Economic Left/Right: -4.5
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -2.36
So heading left but not “left” on economic and closer to the centre (but just off to the left) on social.
I’d say that puts me firmly in the centre space.
Made me laugh though with page 6. I wonder how much that skews all of us on a swinger site with questions on sex and pornography?"
I wouldn't think everyone answered the same on page 6. We've come across plenty on here who wouldn't think the same way as us
I'm reading that -4.5 economic as LEFTY |
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"Not exactly sure what this makes me?
Economic Left/Right: -0.25
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -1.74"
Ironic isn't it that. Many on here considered to be right of centre by the lefties are producing results left kf centre. |
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By *otMe66Man
over a year ago
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"Not exactly sure what this makes me?
Economic Left/Right: -0.25
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -1.74
Ironic isn't it that. Many on here considered to be right of centre by the lefties are producing results left kf centre."
It is and it does go some way of explaining the views of things being far right... |
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"Not exactly sure what this makes me?
Economic Left/Right: -0.25
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -1.74"
I reckon you could draw a circle a couple of points around the centre - that’s centrism. |
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"Not exactly sure what this makes me?
Economic Left/Right: -0.25
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -1.74
Ironic isn't it that. Many on here considered to be right of centre by the lefties are producing results left kf centre.
It is and it does go some way of explaining the views of things being far right..."
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Not exactly sure what this makes me?
Economic Left/Right: -0.25
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -1.74
Ironic isn't it that. Many on here considered to be right of centre by the lefties are producing results left kf centre."
Such small numbers left of centre - or indeed right of centre, are centrists. |
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By *irldnCouple
over a year ago
Brighton |
"I've just done the test again, I wish we could share pics on here.
I sit just left of centre - just.
I sit just above centre - just.
This makes me ever so slightly in the 'authoritarian left' box.
Where do you sit??
I can’t remember the figures, it’s been so long since I did it, but I’m pretty much bang-centre of the liberal left square.
Fuck sake, I definitely read mine wrong, will teach me for not scrolling. The one I read was an example
Economic Left/Right: -2.0
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -4.1
Qould appear I'm not as 'centrist' as I had myself believe.
As for me...
Economic Left/Right: -4.5
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -2.36
So heading left but not “left” on economic and closer to the centre (but just off to the left) on social.
I’d say that puts me firmly in the centre space.
Made me laugh though with page 6. I wonder how much that skews all of us on a swinger site with questions on sex and pornography?
I wouldn't think everyone answered the same on page 6. We've come across plenty on here who wouldn't think the same way as us
I'm reading that -4.5 economic as LEFTY "
Yeah left re economic! Interestingly though the questions were very focused on corporate and state and less on individual. Nothing really on personal tax. My views on the corporate questions were certainly skewed by a mistrust of corporate intentions regarding people and the environment. If I trusted them more then I would be in favour of less regulation, but I don’t! Just look at UK water companies for example! |
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"I've just done the test again, I wish we could share pics on here.
I sit just left of centre - just.
I sit just above centre - just.
This makes me ever so slightly in the 'authoritarian left' box.
Where do you sit??
I can’t remember the figures, it’s been so long since I did it, but I’m pretty much bang-centre of the liberal left square.
Fuck sake, I definitely read mine wrong, will teach me for not scrolling. The one I read was an example
Economic Left/Right: -2.0
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -4.1
Qould appear I'm not as 'centrist' as I had myself believe.
As for me...
Economic Left/Right: -4.5
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -2.36
So heading left but not “left” on economic and closer to the centre (but just off to the left) on social.
I’d say that puts me firmly in the centre space.
Made me laugh though with page 6. I wonder how much that skews all of us on a swinger site with questions on sex and pornography?
I wouldn't think everyone answered the same on page 6. We've come across plenty on here who wouldn't think the same way as us
I'm reading that -4.5 economic as LEFTY
Yeah left re economic! Interestingly though the questions were very focused on corporate and state and less on individual. Nothing really on personal tax. My views on the corporate questions were certainly skewed by a mistrust of corporate intentions regarding people and the environment. If I trusted them more then I would be in favour of less regulation, but I don’t! Just look at UK water companies for example! "
I think there was only one question on personal tax. There could be another set of question which would change results no doubt |
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By *irldnCouple
over a year ago
Brighton |
"Not exactly sure what this makes me?
Economic Left/Right: -0.25
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -1.74"
A centrist clearly (and more centre than me)
Hopefully this doesn’t descend into “how many squares does the centre ground have to cover” |
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By *irldnCouple
over a year ago
Brighton |
"Not exactly sure what this makes me?
Economic Left/Right: -0.25
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -1.74
Ironic isn't it that. Many on here considered to be right of centre by the lefties are producing results left kf centre.
It is and it does go some way of explaining the views of things being far right...
100%"
Come on Morely are you going to do it (and do it honestly)?
BTW I have rerun it a few times. Very easy to skew results. |
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"Not exactly sure what this makes me?
Economic Left/Right: -0.25
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -1.74
Ironic isn't it that. Many on here considered to be right of centre by the lefties are producing results left kf centre.
It is and it does go some way of explaining the views of things being far right...
100%
Come on Morely are you going to do it (and do it honestly)?
BTW I have rerun it a few times. Very easy to skew results."
The best we can hope for is that everyone is honest with their answers.
I can say that I like to do this from time to time to see for myself, not to confirm one way or the other to anyone else. |
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"Not exactly sure what this makes me?
Economic Left/Right: -0.25
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -1.74
Ironic isn't it that. Many on here considered to be right of centre by the lefties are producing results left kf centre.
It is and it does go some way of explaining the views of things being far right...
100%
Come on Morely are you going to do it (and do it honestly)?
BTW I have rerun it a few times. Very easy to skew results."
I did it a few years back. I am right f centr and above. I will post later today as due on a teams call |
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By *otMe66Man
over a year ago
Terra Firma |
"Not exactly sure what this makes me?
Economic Left/Right: -0.25
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -1.74
Ironic isn't it that. Many on here considered to be right of centre by the lefties are producing results left kf centre.
It is and it does go some way of explaining the views of things being far right...
100%
Come on Morely are you going to do it (and do it honestly)?
BTW I have rerun it a few times. Very easy to skew results.
The best we can hope for is that everyone is honest with their answers.
I can say that I like to do this from time to time to see for myself, not to confirm one way or the other to anyone else."
I think the questions are leaning towards the US in certain places that if removed would push people further to the right.
Example is abortion and a few other things I picked up on.
It has got me thinking we are more tolerant society, there were only a 2 or 3 things that felt I strongly about.
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By *otMe66Man
over a year ago
Terra Firma |
"Not exactly sure what this makes me?
Economic Left/Right: -0.25
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -1.74
A centrist clearly (and more centre than me)
Hopefully this doesn’t descend into “how many squares does the centre ground have to cover” "
I think centre is the new right.....
And I'm not worried about people trying to score more centre, it is those that are battling it out to be in the left we need to watch out for |
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By *irldnCouple
over a year ago
Brighton |
"Not exactly sure what this makes me?
Economic Left/Right: -0.25
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -1.74
A centrist clearly (and more centre than me)
Hopefully this doesn’t descend into “how many squares does the centre ground have to cover”
I think centre is the new right.....
And I'm not worried about people trying to score more centre, it is those that are battling it out to be in the left we need to watch out for "
I have always perceived you as slightly right of centre. Funny old world!
Always perceived myself as slightly left of centre. Based on result a bit more to left than expecting on economic scale but as per chat with Feisty I do think that is skewed with the corporate regulation type questions. |
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"Not exactly sure what this makes me?
Economic Left/Right: -0.25
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -1.74
Ironic isn't it that. Many on here considered to be right of centre by the lefties are producing results left kf centre.
It is and it does go some way of explaining the views of things being far right...
100%
Come on Morely are you going to do it (and do it honestly)?
BTW I have rerun it a few times. Very easy to skew results.
The best we can hope for is that everyone is honest with their answers.
I can say that I like to do this from time to time to see for myself, not to confirm one way or the other to anyone else.
I think the questions are leaning towards the US in certain places that if removed would push people further to the right.
Example is abortion and a few other things I picked up on.
It has got me thinking we are more tolerant society, there were only a 2 or 3 things that felt I strongly about.
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Yeah I seen the abortion one. That's definitely a US or religious question. |
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"Not exactly sure what this makes me?
Economic Left/Right: -0.25
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -1.74
A centrist clearly (and more centre than me)
Hopefully this doesn’t descend into “how many squares does the centre ground have to cover”
I think centre is the new right.....
And I'm not worried about people trying to score more centre, it is those that are battling it out to be in the left we need to watch out for "
It has been a long point interest discussion that modern society has moved so far to the left that centrist ideals are seen as far right. Like controlling immigration.
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"Not exactly sure what this makes me?
Economic Left/Right: -0.25
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -1.74
A centrist clearly (and more centre than me)
Hopefully this doesn’t descend into “how many squares does the centre ground have to cover”
I think centre is the new right.....
And I'm not worried about people trying to score more centre, it is those that are battling it out to be in the left we need to watch out for
It has been a long point interest discussion that modern society has moved so far to the left that centrist ideals are seen as far right. Like controlling immigration.
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We keep being told (on here at least) that politics has moved so far to the right  |
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"Not exactly sure what this makes me?
Economic Left/Right: -0.25
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -1.74
A centrist clearly (and more centre than me)
Hopefully this doesn’t descend into “how many squares does the centre ground have to cover”
I think centre is the new right.....
And I'm not worried about people trying to score more centre, it is those that are battling it out to be in the left we need to watch out for
It has been a long point interest discussion that modern society has moved so far to the left that centrist ideals are seen as far right. Like controlling immigration.
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Was Ed Milliband far right? By your definition he was. |
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"Not exactly sure what this makes me?
Economic Left/Right: -0.25
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -1.74
A centrist clearly (and more centre than me)
Hopefully this doesn’t descend into “how many squares does the centre ground have to cover”
I think centre is the new right.....
And I'm not worried about people trying to score more centre, it is those that are battling it out to be in the left we need to watch out for
It has been a long point interest discussion that modern society has moved so far to the left that centrist ideals are seen as far right. Like controlling immigration.
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It has been a long point interest discussion that modern society has moved so far to the right that centrist ideals are seen as far left .
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Apparently im a Left Libitarian… this is interesting as I though some views I held may have been more towards the right but im sure the tories has had a hand in changing my opinions as mistrust in them also lead to mis trust in everything they generally stands for. |
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By *otMe66Man
over a year ago
Terra Firma |
"Not exactly sure what this makes me?
Economic Left/Right: -0.25
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -1.74
A centrist clearly (and more centre than me)
Hopefully this doesn’t descend into “how many squares does the centre ground have to cover”
I think centre is the new right.....
And I'm not worried about people trying to score more centre, it is those that are battling it out to be in the left we need to watch out for
It has been a long point interest discussion that modern society has moved so far to the left that centrist ideals are seen as far right. Like controlling immigration.
It has been a long point interest discussion that modern society has moved so far to the right that centrist ideals are seen as far left .
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That makes no sense in our political landscape... We are far more tolerant today than we were 30 years ago and those changes have moved our political view points to the left.
I mentioned above that centre is the new right, and that will be from the point of view of people who are left leaning, not left of centre. |
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By *otMe66Man
over a year ago
Terra Firma |
"Not exactly sure what this makes me?
Economic Left/Right: -0.25
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -1.74
A centrist clearly (and more centre than me)
Hopefully this doesn’t descend into “how many squares does the centre ground have to cover”
I think centre is the new right.....
And I'm not worried about people trying to score more centre, it is those that are battling it out to be in the left we need to watch out for
It has been a long point interest discussion that modern society has moved so far to the left that centrist ideals are seen as far right. Like controlling immigration.
We keep being told (on here at least) that politics has moved so far to the right "
By those that are travelling left as fast as they can, it is no fun when everyone is becoming more socially tolerant |
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"Not exactly sure what this makes me?
Economic Left/Right: -0.25
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -1.74
A centrist clearly (and more centre than me)
Hopefully this doesn’t descend into “how many squares does the centre ground have to cover”
I think centre is the new right.....
And I'm not worried about people trying to score more centre, it is those that are battling it out to be in the left we need to watch out for
It has been a long point interest discussion that modern society has moved so far to the left that centrist ideals are seen as far right. Like controlling immigration.
It has been a long point interest discussion that modern society has moved so far to the right that centrist ideals are seen as far left .
That makes no sense in our political landscape... We are far more tolerant today than we were 30 years ago and those changes have moved our political view points to the left.
I mentioned above that centre is the new right, and that will be from the point of view of people who are left leaning, not left of centre. "
You only have to see a social media article on migrant crossings to see how much more ‘tolerant’ we are these days. Or a piece about pride month or trans folk.
As a whole society has moved forwards in 30 years, but I’d argue it’s taken a few steps back in the past decade. |
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By *otMe66Man
over a year ago
Terra Firma |
"Not exactly sure what this makes me?
Economic Left/Right: -0.25
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -1.74
A centrist clearly (and more centre than me)
Hopefully this doesn’t descend into “how many squares does the centre ground have to cover”
I think centre is the new right.....
And I'm not worried about people trying to score more centre, it is those that are battling it out to be in the left we need to watch out for
It has been a long point interest discussion that modern society has moved so far to the left that centrist ideals are seen as far right. Like controlling immigration.
It has been a long point interest discussion that modern society has moved so far to the right that centrist ideals are seen as far left .
That makes no sense in our political landscape... We are far more tolerant today than we were 30 years ago and those changes have moved our political view points to the left.
I mentioned above that centre is the new right, and that will be from the point of view of people who are left leaning, not left of centre.
You only have to see a social media article on migrant crossings to see how much more ‘tolerant’ we are these days. Or a piece about pride month or trans folk.
As a whole society has moved forwards in 30 years, but I’d argue it’s taken a few steps back in the past decade. "
I think it has taken a huge step backwards in the last 12 months caused by radicals and corporate interference. |
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"Not exactly sure what this makes me?
Economic Left/Right: -0.25
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -1.74
A centrist clearly (and more centre than me)
Hopefully this doesn’t descend into “how many squares does the centre ground have to cover”
I think centre is the new right.....
And I'm not worried about people trying to score more centre, it is those that are battling it out to be in the left we need to watch out for
It has been a long point interest discussion that modern society has moved so far to the left that centrist ideals are seen as far right. Like controlling immigration.
It has been a long point interest discussion that modern society has moved so far to the right that centrist ideals are seen as far left .
That makes no sense in our political landscape... We are far more tolerant today than we were 30 years ago and those changes have moved our political view points to the left.
I mentioned above that centre is the new right, and that will be from the point of view of people who are left leaning, not left of centre.
You only have to see a social media article on migrant crossings to see how much more ‘tolerant’ we are these days. Or a piece about pride month or trans folk.
As a whole society has moved forwards in 30 years, but I’d argue it’s taken a few steps back in the past decade.
I think it has taken a huge step backwards in the last 12 months caused by radicals and corporate interference. "
Indeed, the far-right radicals like Yaxley-Lennon and his ilk have demonstrably increased the xenophobic attacks (literal and otherwise) of migrants and asylum seekers, for example. |
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"Not exactly sure what this makes me?
Economic Left/Right: -0.25
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -1.74
A centrist clearly (and more centre than me)
Hopefully this doesn’t descend into “how many squares does the centre ground have to cover”
I think centre is the new right.....
And I'm not worried about people trying to score more centre, it is those that are battling it out to be in the left we need to watch out for
It has been a long point interest discussion that modern society has moved so far to the left that centrist ideals are seen as far right. Like controlling immigration.
It has been a long point interest discussion that modern society has moved so far to the right that centrist ideals are seen as far left .
That makes no sense in our political landscape... We are far more tolerant today than we were 30 years ago and those changes have moved our political view points to the left.
I mentioned above that centre is the new right, and that will be from the point of view of people who are left leaning, not left of centre.
You only have to see a social media article on migrant crossings to see how much more ‘tolerant’ we are these days. Or a piece about pride month or trans folk.
As a whole society has moved forwards in 30 years, but I’d argue it’s taken a few steps back in the past decade. "
You've picked out extremes there.
Pride month? A whole month, is it necessary?
Trans rights? Plenty argue they are excluding womens rights in favour of trans.
People who question these things aren't necessarily intolerant, but believe things are taken too far, those aren't the same things. |
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By *otMe66Man
over a year ago
Terra Firma |
"Not exactly sure what this makes me?
Economic Left/Right: -0.25
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -1.74
A centrist clearly (and more centre than me)
Hopefully this doesn’t descend into “how many squares does the centre ground have to cover”
I think centre is the new right.....
And I'm not worried about people trying to score more centre, it is those that are battling it out to be in the left we need to watch out for
It has been a long point interest discussion that modern society has moved so far to the left that centrist ideals are seen as far right. Like controlling immigration.
It has been a long point interest discussion that modern society has moved so far to the right that centrist ideals are seen as far left .
That makes no sense in our political landscape... We are far more tolerant today than we were 30 years ago and those changes have moved our political view points to the left.
I mentioned above that centre is the new right, and that will be from the point of view of people who are left leaning, not left of centre.
You only have to see a social media article on migrant crossings to see how much more ‘tolerant’ we are these days. Or a piece about pride month or trans folk.
As a whole society has moved forwards in 30 years, but I’d argue it’s taken a few steps back in the past decade.
I think it has taken a huge step backwards in the last 12 months caused by radicals and corporate interference.
Indeed, the far-right radicals like Yaxley-Lennon and his ilk have demonstrably increased the xenophobic attacks (literal and otherwise) of migrants and asylum seekers, for example. "
And please do not forget the left radicals such as Antifa who are doing as much harm. |
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"Not exactly sure what this makes me?
Economic Left/Right: -0.25
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -1.74
A centrist clearly (and more centre than me)
Hopefully this doesn’t descend into “how many squares does the centre ground have to cover”
I think centre is the new right.....
And I'm not worried about people trying to score more centre, it is those that are battling it out to be in the left we need to watch out for
It has been a long point interest discussion that modern society has moved so far to the left that centrist ideals are seen as far right. Like controlling immigration.
It has been a long point interest discussion that modern society has moved so far to the right that centrist ideals are seen as far left .
That makes no sense in our political landscape... We are far more tolerant today than we were 30 years ago and those changes have moved our political view points to the left.
I mentioned above that centre is the new right, and that will be from the point of view of people who are left leaning, not left of centre.
You only have to see a social media article on migrant crossings to see how much more ‘tolerant’ we are these days. Or a piece about pride month or trans folk.
As a whole society has moved forwards in 30 years, but I’d argue it’s taken a few steps back in the past decade.
I think it has taken a huge step backwards in the last 12 months caused by radicals and corporate interference.
Indeed, the far-right radicals like Yaxley-Lennon and his ilk have demonstrably increased the xenophobic attacks (literal and otherwise) of migrants and asylum seekers, for example.
And please do not forget the left radicals such as Antifa who are doing as much harm. "
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Aren’t we all antifa? |
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"Not exactly sure what this makes me?
Economic Left/Right: -0.25
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -1.74
A centrist clearly (and more centre than me)
Hopefully this doesn’t descend into “how many squares does the centre ground have to cover”
I think centre is the new right.....
And I'm not worried about people trying to score more centre, it is those that are battling it out to be in the left we need to watch out for
It has been a long point interest discussion that modern society has moved so far to the left that centrist ideals are seen as far right. Like controlling immigration.
It has been a long point interest discussion that modern society has moved so far to the right that centrist ideals are seen as far left .
That makes no sense in our political landscape... We are far more tolerant today than we were 30 years ago and those changes have moved our political view points to the left.
I mentioned above that centre is the new right, and that will be from the point of view of people who are left leaning, not left of centre.
You only have to see a social media article on migrant crossings to see how much more ‘tolerant’ we are these days. Or a piece about pride month or trans folk.
As a whole society has moved forwards in 30 years, but I’d argue it’s taken a few steps back in the past decade.
I think it has taken a huge step backwards in the last 12 months caused by radicals and corporate interference.
Indeed, the far-right radicals like Yaxley-Lennon and his ilk have demonstrably increased the xenophobic attacks (literal and otherwise) of migrants and asylum seekers, for example.
And please do not forget the left radicals such as Antifa who are doing as much harm.
Antifa = anti fascist.
Aren’t we all antifa? "
Nazi = national socialist.
Let's not do this |
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"Not exactly sure what this makes me?
Economic Left/Right: -0.25
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -1.74
A centrist clearly (and more centre than me)
Hopefully this doesn’t descend into “how many squares does the centre ground have to cover”
I think centre is the new right.....
And I'm not worried about people trying to score more centre, it is those that are battling it out to be in the left we need to watch out for
It has been a long point interest discussion that modern society has moved so far to the left that centrist ideals are seen as far right. Like controlling immigration.
It has been a long point interest discussion that modern society has moved so far to the right that centrist ideals are seen as far left .
That makes no sense in our political landscape... We are far more tolerant today than we were 30 years ago and those changes have moved our political view points to the left.
I mentioned above that centre is the new right, and that will be from the point of view of people who are left leaning, not left of centre.
You only have to see a social media article on migrant crossings to see how much more ‘tolerant’ we are these days. Or a piece about pride month or trans folk.
As a whole society has moved forwards in 30 years, but I’d argue it’s taken a few steps back in the past decade.
I think it has taken a huge step backwards in the last 12 months caused by radicals and corporate interference.
Indeed, the far-right radicals like Yaxley-Lennon and his ilk have demonstrably increased the xenophobic attacks (literal and otherwise) of migrants and asylum seekers, for example.
And please do not forget the left radicals such as Antifa who are doing as much harm.
Antifa = anti fascist.
Aren’t we all antifa?
Nazi = national socialist.
Let's not do this "
Ah, you’ll forgive me a little wind up, it’s Friday.
(But no, I don’t think antifa are as dangerous as the BNP or their offspring groups) |
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"Not exactly sure what this makes me?
Economic Left/Right: -0.25
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -1.74
A centrist clearly (and more centre than me)
Hopefully this doesn’t descend into “how many squares does the centre ground have to cover”
I think centre is the new right.....
And I'm not worried about people trying to score more centre, it is those that are battling it out to be in the left we need to watch out for
It has been a long point interest discussion that modern society has moved so far to the left that centrist ideals are seen as far right. Like controlling immigration.
It has been a long point interest discussion that modern society has moved so far to the right that centrist ideals are seen as far left .
That makes no sense in our political landscape... We are far more tolerant today than we were 30 years ago and those changes have moved our political view points to the left.
I mentioned above that centre is the new right, and that will be from the point of view of people who are left leaning, not left of centre.
You only have to see a social media article on migrant crossings to see how much more ‘tolerant’ we are these days. Or a piece about pride month or trans folk.
As a whole society has moved forwards in 30 years, but I’d argue it’s taken a few steps back in the past decade.
I think it has taken a huge step backwards in the last 12 months caused by radicals and corporate interference.
Indeed, the far-right radicals like Yaxley-Lennon and his ilk have demonstrably increased the xenophobic attacks (literal and otherwise) of migrants and asylum seekers, for example.
And please do not forget the left radicals such as Antifa who are doing as much harm.
Antifa = anti fascist.
Aren’t we all antifa?
Nazi = national socialist.
Let's not do this
Ah, you’ll forgive me a little wind up, it’s Friday.
(But no, I don’t think antifa are as dangerous as the BNP or their offspring groups)"
Bit of a weird take.
Given the amount of assaults antifa rallies have carried out |
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over a year ago
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"Not exactly sure what this makes me?
Economic Left/Right: -0.25
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -1.74
A centrist clearly (and more centre than me)
Hopefully this doesn’t descend into “how many squares does the centre ground have to cover”
I think centre is the new right.....
And I'm not worried about people trying to score more centre, it is those that are battling it out to be in the left we need to watch out for
It has been a long point interest discussion that modern society has moved so far to the left that centrist ideals are seen as far right. Like controlling immigration.
It has been a long point interest discussion that modern society has moved so far to the right that centrist ideals are seen as far left .
That makes no sense in our political landscape... We are far more tolerant today than we were 30 years ago and those changes have moved our political view points to the left.
I mentioned above that centre is the new right, and that will be from the point of view of people who are left leaning, not left of centre.
You only have to see a social media article on migrant crossings to see how much more ‘tolerant’ we are these days. Or a piece about pride month or trans folk.
As a whole society has moved forwards in 30 years, but I’d argue it’s taken a few steps back in the past decade.
I think it has taken a huge step backwards in the last 12 months caused by radicals and corporate interference.
Indeed, the far-right radicals like Yaxley-Lennon and his ilk have demonstrably increased the xenophobic attacks (literal and otherwise) of migrants and asylum seekers, for example.
And please do not forget the left radicals such as Antifa who are doing as much harm.
Antifa = anti fascist.
Aren’t we all antifa? "
I think you know exactly who I'm referring too. The mobs that dress in black, face coverings and attacking physically anyone who dares question their thinking on subjects that range from defunding police to trans rights and pretty much everything in between, I hope you do not condone their behaviour as it is mostly aggressive and violent? |
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"Not exactly sure what this makes me?
Economic Left/Right: -0.25
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -1.74
A centrist clearly (and more centre than me)
Hopefully this doesn’t descend into “how many squares does the centre ground have to cover”
I think centre is the new right.....
And I'm not worried about people trying to score more centre, it is those that are battling it out to be in the left we need to watch out for
It has been a long point interest discussion that modern society has moved so far to the left that centrist ideals are seen as far right. Like controlling immigration.
It has been a long point interest discussion that modern society has moved so far to the right that centrist ideals are seen as far left .
That makes no sense in our political landscape... We are far more tolerant today than we were 30 years ago and those changes have moved our political view points to the left.
I mentioned above that centre is the new right, and that will be from the point of view of people who are left leaning, not left of centre.
You only have to see a social media article on migrant crossings to see how much more ‘tolerant’ we are these days. Or a piece about pride month or trans folk.
As a whole society has moved forwards in 30 years, but I’d argue it’s taken a few steps back in the past decade.
I think it has taken a huge step backwards in the last 12 months caused by radicals and corporate interference.
Indeed, the far-right radicals like Yaxley-Lennon and his ilk have demonstrably increased the xenophobic attacks (literal and otherwise) of migrants and asylum seekers, for example.
And please do not forget the left radicals such as Antifa who are doing as much harm.
Antifa = anti fascist.
Aren’t we all antifa?
Nazi = national socialist.
Let's not do this
Ah, you’ll forgive me a little wind up, it’s Friday.
(But no, I don’t think antifa are as dangerous as the BNP or their offspring groups)
Bit of a weird take.
Given the amount of assaults antifa rallies have carried out"
According to recent reports (since 2020) the far right are the fastest growing terror and most prominent threat to the U.K |
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over a year ago
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"Not exactly sure what this makes me?
Economic Left/Right: -0.25
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -1.74
A centrist clearly (and more centre than me)
Hopefully this doesn’t descend into “how many squares does the centre ground have to cover”
I think centre is the new right.....
And I'm not worried about people trying to score more centre, it is those that are battling it out to be in the left we need to watch out for
It has been a long point interest discussion that modern society has moved so far to the left that centrist ideals are seen as far right. Like controlling immigration.
It has been a long point interest discussion that modern society has moved so far to the right that centrist ideals are seen as far left .
That makes no sense in our political landscape... We are far more tolerant today than we were 30 years ago and those changes have moved our political view points to the left.
I mentioned above that centre is the new right, and that will be from the point of view of people who are left leaning, not left of centre.
You only have to see a social media article on migrant crossings to see how much more ‘tolerant’ we are these days. Or a piece about pride month or trans folk.
As a whole society has moved forwards in 30 years, but I’d argue it’s taken a few steps back in the past decade.
I think it has taken a huge step backwards in the last 12 months caused by radicals and corporate interference.
Indeed, the far-right radicals like Yaxley-Lennon and his ilk have demonstrably increased the xenophobic attacks (literal and otherwise) of migrants and asylum seekers, for example.
And please do not forget the left radicals such as Antifa who are doing as much harm.
Antifa = anti fascist.
Aren’t we all antifa?
I think you know exactly who I'm referring too. The mobs that dress in black, face coverings and attacking physically anyone who dares question their thinking on subjects that range from defunding police to trans rights and pretty much everything in between, I hope you do not condone their behaviour as it is mostly aggressive and violent? "
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"Not exactly sure what this makes me?
Economic Left/Right: -0.25
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -1.74
A centrist clearly (and more centre than me)
Hopefully this doesn’t descend into “how many squares does the centre ground have to cover”
I think centre is the new right.....
And I'm not worried about people trying to score more centre, it is those that are battling it out to be in the left we need to watch out for
It has been a long point interest discussion that modern society has moved so far to the left that centrist ideals are seen as far right. Like controlling immigration.
It has been a long point interest discussion that modern society has moved so far to the right that centrist ideals are seen as far left .
That makes no sense in our political landscape... We are far more tolerant today than we were 30 years ago and those changes have moved our political view points to the left.
I mentioned above that centre is the new right, and that will be from the point of view of people who are left leaning, not left of centre.
You only have to see a social media article on migrant crossings to see how much more ‘tolerant’ we are these days. Or a piece about pride month or trans folk.
As a whole society has moved forwards in 30 years, but I’d argue it’s taken a few steps back in the past decade.
I think it has taken a huge step backwards in the last 12 months caused by radicals and corporate interference.
Indeed, the far-right radicals like Yaxley-Lennon and his ilk have demonstrably increased the xenophobic attacks (literal and otherwise) of migrants and asylum seekers, for example.
And please do not forget the left radicals such as Antifa who are doing as much harm.
Antifa = anti fascist.
Aren’t we all antifa?
Nazi = national socialist.
Let's not do this
Ah, you’ll forgive me a little wind up, it’s Friday.
(But no, I don’t think antifa are as dangerous as the BNP or their offspring groups)
Bit of a weird take.
Given the amount of assaults antifa rallies have carried out
According to recent reports (since 2020) the far right are the fastest growing terror and most prominent threat to the U.K"
That report must know more than MI5.
MI5’s Director General recently, who told the media earlier this month that ‘around one in five terrorism investigations in Great Britain were linked to neo-Nazi, racist ideology or other related extremism’, a rate he was reported to have said remained steady.
July 22 |
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"Not exactly sure what this makes me?
Economic Left/Right: -0.25
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -1.74
A centrist clearly (and more centre than me)
Hopefully this doesn’t descend into “how many squares does the centre ground have to cover”
I think centre is the new right.....
And I'm not worried about people trying to score more centre, it is those that are battling it out to be in the left we need to watch out for
It has been a long point interest discussion that modern society has moved so far to the left that centrist ideals are seen as far right. Like controlling immigration.
It has been a long point interest discussion that modern society has moved so far to the right that centrist ideals are seen as far left .
That makes no sense in our political landscape... We are far more tolerant today than we were 30 years ago and those changes have moved our political view points to the left.
I mentioned above that centre is the new right, and that will be from the point of view of people who are left leaning, not left of centre.
You only have to see a social media article on migrant crossings to see how much more ‘tolerant’ we are these days. Or a piece about pride month or trans folk.
As a whole society has moved forwards in 30 years, but I’d argue it’s taken a few steps back in the past decade.
I think it has taken a huge step backwards in the last 12 months caused by radicals and corporate interference.
Indeed, the far-right radicals like Yaxley-Lennon and his ilk have demonstrably increased the xenophobic attacks (literal and otherwise) of migrants and asylum seekers, for example.
And please do not forget the left radicals such as Antifa who are doing as much harm.
Antifa = anti fascist.
Aren’t we all antifa?
Nazi = national socialist.
Let's not do this
Ah, you’ll forgive me a little wind up, it’s Friday.
(But no, I don’t think antifa are as dangerous as the BNP or their offspring groups)
Bit of a weird take.
Given the amount of assaults antifa rallies have carried out
According to recent reports (since 2020) the far right are the fastest growing terror and most prominent threat to the U.K
That report must know more than MI5.
MI5’s Director General recently, who told the media earlier this month that ‘around one in five terrorism investigations in Great Britain were linked to neo-Nazi, racist ideology or other related extremism’, a rate he was reported to have said remained steady.
July 22"
https://hansard.parliament.uk/Commons/2021-04-21/debates/82686720-EFBA-42E4-AC96-E843FB3AFABA/PreventionAndSuppressionOfTerrorism |
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"Not exactly sure what this makes me?
Economic Left/Right: -0.25
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -1.74
A centrist clearly (and more centre than me)
Hopefully this doesn’t descend into “how many squares does the centre ground have to cover”
I think centre is the new right.....
And I'm not worried about people trying to score more centre, it is those that are battling it out to be in the left we need to watch out for
It has been a long point interest discussion that modern society has moved so far to the left that centrist ideals are seen as far right. Like controlling immigration.
It has been a long point interest discussion that modern society has moved so far to the right that centrist ideals are seen as far left .
That makes no sense in our political landscape... We are far more tolerant today than we were 30 years ago and those changes have moved our political view points to the left.
I mentioned above that centre is the new right, and that will be from the point of view of people who are left leaning, not left of centre.
You only have to see a social media article on migrant crossings to see how much more ‘tolerant’ we are these days. Or a piece about pride month or trans folk.
As a whole society has moved forwards in 30 years, but I’d argue it’s taken a few steps back in the past decade.
I think it has taken a huge step backwards in the last 12 months caused by radicals and corporate interference.
Indeed, the far-right radicals like Yaxley-Lennon and his ilk have demonstrably increased the xenophobic attacks (literal and otherwise) of migrants and asylum seekers, for example.
And please do not forget the left radicals such as Antifa who are doing as much harm.
Antifa = anti fascist.
Aren’t we all antifa?
Nazi = national socialist.
Let's not do this
Ah, you’ll forgive me a little wind up, it’s Friday.
(But no, I don’t think antifa are as dangerous as the BNP or their offspring groups)
Bit of a weird take.
Given the amount of assaults antifa rallies have carried out
According to recent reports (since 2020) the far right are the fastest growing terror and most prominent threat to the U.K
That report must know more than MI5.
MI5’s Director General recently, who told the media earlier this month that ‘around one in five terrorism investigations in Great Britain were linked to neo-Nazi, racist ideology or other related extremism’, a rate he was reported to have said remained steady.
July 22
https://hansard.parliament.uk/Commons/2021-04-21/debates/82686720-EFBA-42E4-AC96-E843FB3AFABA/PreventionAndSuppressionOfTerrorism"
https://isc.independent.gov.uk/wp-content/uploads/2022/07/E02710035-HCP-Extreme-Right-Wing-Terrorism_Accessible.pdf |
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By *otMe66Man
over a year ago
Terra Firma |
"Not exactly sure what this makes me?
Economic Left/Right: -0.25
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -1.74
A centrist clearly (and more centre than me)
Hopefully this doesn’t descend into “how many squares does the centre ground have to cover”
I think centre is the new right.....
And I'm not worried about people trying to score more centre, it is those that are battling it out to be in the left we need to watch out for
It has been a long point interest discussion that modern society has moved so far to the left that centrist ideals are seen as far right. Like controlling immigration.
It has been a long point interest discussion that modern society has moved so far to the right that centrist ideals are seen as far left .
That makes no sense in our political landscape... We are far more tolerant today than we were 30 years ago and those changes have moved our political view points to the left.
I mentioned above that centre is the new right, and that will be from the point of view of people who are left leaning, not left of centre.
You only have to see a social media article on migrant crossings to see how much more ‘tolerant’ we are these days. Or a piece about pride month or trans folk.
As a whole society has moved forwards in 30 years, but I’d argue it’s taken a few steps back in the past decade.
I think it has taken a huge step backwards in the last 12 months caused by radicals and corporate interference.
Indeed, the far-right radicals like Yaxley-Lennon and his ilk have demonstrably increased the xenophobic attacks (literal and otherwise) of migrants and asylum seekers, for example.
And please do not forget the left radicals such as Antifa who are doing as much harm.
Antifa = anti fascist.
Aren’t we all antifa?
I think you know exactly who I'm referring too. The mobs that dress in black, face coverings and attacking physically anyone who dares question their thinking on subjects that range from defunding police to trans rights and pretty much everything in between, I hope you do not condone their behaviour as it is mostly aggressive and violent?
I don’t condone any violent act. "
We are going off topic again...
You are real left wing so by default anything that doesn't align will either be considered right or extreme of you.
I remember you said you were a manger for a train company, how do you get on with senior management decisions that will impact directly the workforce, do you have responsibility of delivering those changes? |
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"Not exactly sure what this makes me?
Economic Left/Right: -0.25
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -1.74
A centrist clearly (and more centre than me)
Hopefully this doesn’t descend into “how many squares does the centre ground have to cover”
I think centre is the new right.....
And I'm not worried about people trying to score more centre, it is those that are battling it out to be in the left we need to watch out for
It has been a long point interest discussion that modern society has moved so far to the left that centrist ideals are seen as far right. Like controlling immigration.
It has been a long point interest discussion that modern society has moved so far to the right that centrist ideals are seen as far left .
That makes no sense in our political landscape... We are far more tolerant today than we were 30 years ago and those changes have moved our political view points to the left.
I mentioned above that centre is the new right, and that will be from the point of view of people who are left leaning, not left of centre.
You only have to see a social media article on migrant crossings to see how much more ‘tolerant’ we are these days. Or a piece about pride month or trans folk.
As a whole society has moved forwards in 30 years, but I’d argue it’s taken a few steps back in the past decade.
I think it has taken a huge step backwards in the last 12 months caused by radicals and corporate interference.
Indeed, the far-right radicals like Yaxley-Lennon and his ilk have demonstrably increased the xenophobic attacks (literal and otherwise) of migrants and asylum seekers, for example.
And please do not forget the left radicals such as Antifa who are doing as much harm.
Antifa = anti fascist.
Aren’t we all antifa?
Nazi = national socialist.
Let's not do this
Ah, you’ll forgive me a little wind up, it’s Friday.
(But no, I don’t think antifa are as dangerous as the BNP or their offspring groups)
Bit of a weird take.
Given the amount of assaults antifa rallies have carried out
According to recent reports (since 2020) the far right are the fastest growing terror and most prominent threat to the U.K
That report must know more than MI5.
MI5’s Director General recently, who told the media earlier this month that ‘around one in five terrorism investigations in Great Britain were linked to neo-Nazi, racist ideology or other related extremism’, a rate he was reported to have said remained steady.
July 22
https://hansard.parliament.uk/Commons/2021-04-21/debates/82686720-EFBA-42E4-AC96-E843FB3AFABA/PreventionAndSuppressionOfTerrorism
https://isc.independent.gov.uk/wp-content/uploads/2022/07/E02710035-HCP-Extreme-Right-Wing-Terrorism_Accessible.pdf"
Right.. what do these 2 links tell us?
I'm not gonna read Lords minutes nor a 137 page document.
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"Not exactly sure what this makes me?
Economic Left/Right: -0.25
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -1.74
A centrist clearly (and more centre than me)
Hopefully this doesn’t descend into “how many squares does the centre ground have to cover”
I think centre is the new right.....
And I'm not worried about people trying to score more centre, it is those that are battling it out to be in the left we need to watch out for
It has been a long point interest discussion that modern society has moved so far to the left that centrist ideals are seen as far right. Like controlling immigration.
It has been a long point interest discussion that modern society has moved so far to the right that centrist ideals are seen as far left .
That makes no sense in our political landscape... We are far more tolerant today than we were 30 years ago and those changes have moved our political view points to the left.
I mentioned above that centre is the new right, and that will be from the point of view of people who are left leaning, not left of centre.
You only have to see a social media article on migrant crossings to see how much more ‘tolerant’ we are these days. Or a piece about pride month or trans folk.
As a whole society has moved forwards in 30 years, but I’d argue it’s taken a few steps back in the past decade.
I think it has taken a huge step backwards in the last 12 months caused by radicals and corporate interference.
Indeed, the far-right radicals like Yaxley-Lennon and his ilk have demonstrably increased the xenophobic attacks (literal and otherwise) of migrants and asylum seekers, for example.
And please do not forget the left radicals such as Antifa who are doing as much harm.
Antifa = anti fascist.
Aren’t we all antifa?
I think you know exactly who I'm referring too. The mobs that dress in black, face coverings and attacking physically anyone who dares question their thinking on subjects that range from defunding police to trans rights and pretty much everything in between, I hope you do not condone their behaviour as it is mostly aggressive and violent?
I don’t condone any violent act.
We are going off topic again...
You are real left wing so by default anything that doesn't align will either be considered right or extreme of you.
I remember you said you were a manger for a train company, how do you get on with senior management decisions that will impact directly the workforce, do you have responsibility of delivering those changes?"
Not everything that doesn’t align is right wing - some labour policy is very much centre. Right of me, but that doesn’t mean extreme by any means. Just as some extreme falls far left of m
I’m not sure what you’re asking in the second part. I have a responsibility for managing driver competence and ensuring policy adherence. I also have the right to ‘challenge up’ and attempt to effect change. |
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"Not exactly sure what this makes me?
Economic Left/Right: -0.25
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -1.74
A centrist clearly (and more centre than me)
Hopefully this doesn’t descend into “how many squares does the centre ground have to cover”
I think centre is the new right.....
And I'm not worried about people trying to score more centre, it is those that are battling it out to be in the left we need to watch out for
It has been a long point interest discussion that modern society has moved so far to the left that centrist ideals are seen as far right. Like controlling immigration.
It has been a long point interest discussion that modern society has moved so far to the right that centrist ideals are seen as far left .
That makes no sense in our political landscape... We are far more tolerant today than we were 30 years ago and those changes have moved our political view points to the left.
I mentioned above that centre is the new right, and that will be from the point of view of people who are left leaning, not left of centre.
You only have to see a social media article on migrant crossings to see how much more ‘tolerant’ we are these days. Or a piece about pride month or trans folk.
As a whole society has moved forwards in 30 years, but I’d argue it’s taken a few steps back in the past decade.
I think it has taken a huge step backwards in the last 12 months caused by radicals and corporate interference.
Indeed, the far-right radicals like Yaxley-Lennon and his ilk have demonstrably increased the xenophobic attacks (literal and otherwise) of migrants and asylum seekers, for example.
And please do not forget the left radicals such as Antifa who are doing as much harm.
Antifa = anti fascist.
Aren’t we all antifa?
Nazi = national socialist.
Let's not do this
Ah, you’ll forgive me a little wind up, it’s Friday.
(But no, I don’t think antifa are as dangerous as the BNP or their offspring groups)
Bit of a weird take.
Given the amount of assaults antifa rallies have carried out
According to recent reports (since 2020) the far right are the fastest growing terror and most prominent threat to the U.K
That report must know more than MI5.
MI5’s Director General recently, who told the media earlier this month that ‘around one in five terrorism investigations in Great Britain were linked to neo-Nazi, racist ideology or other related extremism’, a rate he was reported to have said remained steady.
July 22
https://hansard.parliament.uk/Commons/2021-04-21/debates/82686720-EFBA-42E4-AC96-E843FB3AFABA/PreventionAndSuppressionOfTerrorism
https://isc.independent.gov.uk/wp-content/uploads/2022/07/E02710035-HCP-Extreme-Right-Wing-Terrorism_Accessible.pdf
Right.. what do these 2 links tell us?
I'm not gonna read Lords minutes nor a 137 page document.
Can you point to anything specific?"
Just what I said. Far right terror is growing fast, is an increasing threat, and is seen by some as the prominent terror threat in the U.K (and indeed abroad - though fortunately the U.K hasn’t yet seen the same size increase as the US or some parts of Europe) |
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By *otMe66Man
over a year ago
Terra Firma |
"Not exactly sure what this makes me?
Economic Left/Right: -0.25
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -1.74
A centrist clearly (and more centre than me)
Hopefully this doesn’t descend into “how many squares does the centre ground have to cover”
I think centre is the new right.....
And I'm not worried about people trying to score more centre, it is those that are battling it out to be in the left we need to watch out for
It has been a long point interest discussion that modern society has moved so far to the left that centrist ideals are seen as far right. Like controlling immigration.
It has been a long point interest discussion that modern society has moved so far to the right that centrist ideals are seen as far left .
That makes no sense in our political landscape... We are far more tolerant today than we were 30 years ago and those changes have moved our political view points to the left.
I mentioned above that centre is the new right, and that will be from the point of view of people who are left leaning, not left of centre.
You only have to see a social media article on migrant crossings to see how much more ‘tolerant’ we are these days. Or a piece about pride month or trans folk.
As a whole society has moved forwards in 30 years, but I’d argue it’s taken a few steps back in the past decade.
I think it has taken a huge step backwards in the last 12 months caused by radicals and corporate interference.
Indeed, the far-right radicals like Yaxley-Lennon and his ilk have demonstrably increased the xenophobic attacks (literal and otherwise) of migrants and asylum seekers, for example.
And please do not forget the left radicals such as Antifa who are doing as much harm.
Antifa = anti fascist.
Aren’t we all antifa?
I think you know exactly who I'm referring too. The mobs that dress in black, face coverings and attacking physically anyone who dares question their thinking on subjects that range from defunding police to trans rights and pretty much everything in between, I hope you do not condone their behaviour as it is mostly aggressive and violent?
I don’t condone any violent act.
We are going off topic again...
You are real left wing so by default anything that doesn't align will either be considered right or extreme of you.
I remember you said you were a manger for a train company, how do you get on with senior management decisions that will impact directly the workforce, do you have responsibility of delivering those changes?
Not everything that doesn’t align is right wing - some labour policy is very much centre. Right of me, but that doesn’t mean extreme by any means. Just as some extreme falls far left of m
I’m not sure what you’re asking in the second part. I have a responsibility for managing driver competence and ensuring policy adherence. I also have the right to ‘challenge up’ and attempt to effect change. "
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"Not exactly sure what this makes me?
Economic Left/Right: -0.25
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -1.74
A centrist clearly (and more centre than me)
Hopefully this doesn’t descend into “how many squares does the centre ground have to cover”
I think centre is the new right.....
And I'm not worried about people trying to score more centre, it is those that are battling it out to be in the left we need to watch out for
It has been a long point interest discussion that modern society has moved so far to the left that centrist ideals are seen as far right. Like controlling immigration.
It has been a long point interest discussion that modern society has moved so far to the right that centrist ideals are seen as far left .
That makes no sense in our political landscape... We are far more tolerant today than we were 30 years ago and those changes have moved our political view points to the left.
I mentioned above that centre is the new right, and that will be from the point of view of people who are left leaning, not left of centre.
You only have to see a social media article on migrant crossings to see how much more ‘tolerant’ we are these days. Or a piece about pride month or trans folk.
As a whole society has moved forwards in 30 years, but I’d argue it’s taken a few steps back in the past decade.
I think it has taken a huge step backwards in the last 12 months caused by radicals and corporate interference.
Indeed, the far-right radicals like Yaxley-Lennon and his ilk have demonstrably increased the xenophobic attacks (literal and otherwise) of migrants and asylum seekers, for example.
And please do not forget the left radicals such as Antifa who are doing as much harm.
Antifa = anti fascist.
Aren’t we all antifa?
Nazi = national socialist.
Let's not do this
Ah, you’ll forgive me a little wind up, it’s Friday.
(But no, I don’t think antifa are as dangerous as the BNP or their offspring groups)
Bit of a weird take.
Given the amount of assaults antifa rallies have carried out
According to recent reports (since 2020) the far right are the fastest growing terror and most prominent threat to the U.K
That report must know more than MI5.
MI5’s Director General recently, who told the media earlier this month that ‘around one in five terrorism investigations in Great Britain were linked to neo-Nazi, racist ideology or other related extremism’, a rate he was reported to have said remained steady.
July 22
https://hansard.parliament.uk/Commons/2021-04-21/debates/82686720-EFBA-42E4-AC96-E843FB3AFABA/PreventionAndSuppressionOfTerrorism
https://isc.independent.gov.uk/wp-content/uploads/2022/07/E02710035-HCP-Extreme-Right-Wing-Terrorism_Accessible.pdf
Right.. what do these 2 links tell us?
I'm not gonna read Lords minutes nor a 137 page document.
Can you point to anything specific?
Just what I said. Far right terror is growing fast, is an increasing threat, and is seen by some as the prominent terror threat in the U.K (and indeed abroad - though fortunately the U.K hasn’t yet seen the same size increase as the US or some parts of Europe)"
You say its growing fast. MI5s Director General says its remained steady.
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over a year ago
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"Not exactly sure what this makes me?
Economic Left/Right: -0.25
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -1.74
A centrist clearly (and more centre than me)
Hopefully this doesn’t descend into “how many squares does the centre ground have to cover”
I think centre is the new right.....
And I'm not worried about people trying to score more centre, it is those that are battling it out to be in the left we need to watch out for
It has been a long point interest discussion that modern society has moved so far to the left that centrist ideals are seen as far right. Like controlling immigration.
It has been a long point interest discussion that modern society has moved so far to the right that centrist ideals are seen as far left .
That makes no sense in our political landscape... We are far more tolerant today than we were 30 years ago and those changes have moved our political view points to the left.
I mentioned above that centre is the new right, and that will be from the point of view of people who are left leaning, not left of centre.
You only have to see a social media article on migrant crossings to see how much more ‘tolerant’ we are these days. Or a piece about pride month or trans folk.
As a whole society has moved forwards in 30 years, but I’d argue it’s taken a few steps back in the past decade.
I think it has taken a huge step backwards in the last 12 months caused by radicals and corporate interference.
Indeed, the far-right radicals like Yaxley-Lennon and his ilk have demonstrably increased the xenophobic attacks (literal and otherwise) of migrants and asylum seekers, for example.
And please do not forget the left radicals such as Antifa who are doing as much harm.
Antifa = anti fascist.
Aren’t we all antifa?
Nazi = national socialist.
Let's not do this
Ah, you’ll forgive me a little wind up, it’s Friday.
(But no, I don’t think antifa are as dangerous as the BNP or their offspring groups)
Bit of a weird take.
Given the amount of assaults antifa rallies have carried out
According to recent reports (since 2020) the far right are the fastest growing terror and most prominent threat to the U.K
That report must know more than MI5.
MI5’s Director General recently, who told the media earlier this month that ‘around one in five terrorism investigations in Great Britain were linked to neo-Nazi, racist ideology or other related extremism’, a rate he was reported to have said remained steady.
July 22
https://hansard.parliament.uk/Commons/2021-04-21/debates/82686720-EFBA-42E4-AC96-E843FB3AFABA/PreventionAndSuppressionOfTerrorism
https://isc.independent.gov.uk/wp-content/uploads/2022/07/E02710035-HCP-Extreme-Right-Wing-Terrorism_Accessible.pdf
Right.. what do these 2 links tell us?
I'm not gonna read Lords minutes nor a 137 page document.
Can you point to anything specific?
Just what I said. Far right terror is growing fast, is an increasing threat, and is seen by some as the prominent terror threat in the U.K (and indeed abroad - though fortunately the U.K hasn’t yet seen the same size increase as the US or some parts of Europe)
You say its growing fast. MI5s Director General says its remained steady.
Is there anything in those links that disagree with him?"
Read them - they say it’s growing fast, and (in 2021) had risen for 7 consecutive years. |
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"Not exactly sure what this makes me?
Economic Left/Right: -0.25
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -1.74
A centrist clearly (and more centre than me)
Hopefully this doesn’t descend into “how many squares does the centre ground have to cover”
I think centre is the new right.....
And I'm not worried about people trying to score more centre, it is those that are battling it out to be in the left we need to watch out for
It has been a long point interest discussion that modern society has moved so far to the left that centrist ideals are seen as far right. Like controlling immigration.
It has been a long point interest discussion that modern society has moved so far to the right that centrist ideals are seen as far left .
That makes no sense in our political landscape... We are far more tolerant today than we were 30 years ago and those changes have moved our political view points to the left.
I mentioned above that centre is the new right, and that will be from the point of view of people who are left leaning, not left of centre.
You only have to see a social media article on migrant crossings to see how much more ‘tolerant’ we are these days. Or a piece about pride month or trans folk.
As a whole society has moved forwards in 30 years, but I’d argue it’s taken a few steps back in the past decade.
I think it has taken a huge step backwards in the last 12 months caused by radicals and corporate interference.
Indeed, the far-right radicals like Yaxley-Lennon and his ilk have demonstrably increased the xenophobic attacks (literal and otherwise) of migrants and asylum seekers, for example.
And please do not forget the left radicals such as Antifa who are doing as much harm.
Antifa = anti fascist.
Aren’t we all antifa?
Nazi = national socialist.
Let's not do this
Ah, you’ll forgive me a little wind up, it’s Friday.
(But no, I don’t think antifa are as dangerous as the BNP or their offspring groups)
Bit of a weird take.
Given the amount of assaults antifa rallies have carried out
According to recent reports (since 2020) the far right are the fastest growing terror and most prominent threat to the U.K
That report must know more than MI5.
MI5’s Director General recently, who told the media earlier this month that ‘around one in five terrorism investigations in Great Britain were linked to neo-Nazi, racist ideology or other related extremism’, a rate he was reported to have said remained steady.
July 22
https://hansard.parliament.uk/Commons/2021-04-21/debates/82686720-EFBA-42E4-AC96-E843FB3AFABA/PreventionAndSuppressionOfTerrorism
https://isc.independent.gov.uk/wp-content/uploads/2022/07/E02710035-HCP-Extreme-Right-Wing-Terrorism_Accessible.pdf
Right.. what do these 2 links tell us?
I'm not gonna read Lords minutes nor a 137 page document.
Can you point to anything specific?
Just what I said. Far right terror is growing fast, is an increasing threat, and is seen by some as the prominent terror threat in the U.K (and indeed abroad - though fortunately the U.K hasn’t yet seen the same size increase as the US or some parts of Europe)
You say its growing fast. MI5s Director General says its remained steady.
Is there anything in those links that disagree with him?
Read them - they say it’s growing fast, and (in 2021) had risen for 7 consecutive years. "
I've already told you I won't read them. I have no inclination to read over 150 pages.
If you can't point me in a rough direction, I'll stick with the fella at the top our intelligence services.
The reason for this is I'm pretty damn sure you also haven't read them. |
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By *irldnCouple
over a year ago
Brighton |
"Not exactly sure what this makes me?
Economic Left/Right: -0.25
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -1.74
A centrist clearly (and more centre than me)
Hopefully this doesn’t descend into “how many squares does the centre ground have to cover”
I think centre is the new right.....
And I'm not worried about people trying to score more centre, it is those that are battling it out to be in the left we need to watch out for
It has been a long point interest discussion that modern society has moved so far to the left that centrist ideals are seen as far right. Like controlling immigration.
We keep being told (on here at least) that politics has moved so far to the right "
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Not exactly sure what this makes me?
Economic Left/Right: -0.25
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -1.74
A centrist clearly (and more centre than me)
Hopefully this doesn’t descend into “how many squares does the centre ground have to cover”
I think centre is the new right.....
And I'm not worried about people trying to score more centre, it is those that are battling it out to be in the left we need to watch out for
It has been a long point interest discussion that modern society has moved so far to the left that centrist ideals are seen as far right. Like controlling immigration.
It has been a long point interest discussion that modern society has moved so far to the right that centrist ideals are seen as far left .
That makes no sense in our political landscape... We are far more tolerant today than we were 30 years ago and those changes have moved our political view points to the left.
I mentioned above that centre is the new right, and that will be from the point of view of people who are left leaning, not left of centre.
You only have to see a social media article on migrant crossings to see how much more ‘tolerant’ we are these days. Or a piece about pride month or trans folk.
As a whole society has moved forwards in 30 years, but I’d argue it’s taken a few steps back in the past decade.
I think it has taken a huge step backwards in the last 12 months caused by radicals and corporate interference.
Indeed, the far-right radicals like Yaxley-Lennon and his ilk have demonstrably increased the xenophobic attacks (literal and otherwise) of migrants and asylum seekers, for example.
And please do not forget the left radicals such as Antifa who are doing as much harm.
Antifa = anti fascist.
Aren’t we all antifa?
Nazi = national socialist.
Let's not do this
Ah, you’ll forgive me a little wind up, it’s Friday.
(But no, I don’t think antifa are as dangerous as the BNP or their offspring groups)
Bit of a weird take.
Given the amount of assaults antifa rallies have carried out
According to recent reports (since 2020) the far right are the fastest growing terror and most prominent threat to the U.K
That report must know more than MI5.
MI5’s Director General recently, who told the media earlier this month that ‘around one in five terrorism investigations in Great Britain were linked to neo-Nazi, racist ideology or other related extremism’, a rate he was reported to have said remained steady.
July 22
https://hansard.parliament.uk/Commons/2021-04-21/debates/82686720-EFBA-42E4-AC96-E843FB3AFABA/PreventionAndSuppressionOfTerrorism
https://isc.independent.gov.uk/wp-content/uploads/2022/07/E02710035-HCP-Extreme-Right-Wing-Terrorism_Accessible.pdf
Right.. what do these 2 links tell us?
I'm not gonna read Lords minutes nor a 137 page document.
Can you point to anything specific?
Just what I said. Far right terror is growing fast, is an increasing threat, and is seen by some as the prominent terror threat in the U.K (and indeed abroad - though fortunately the U.K hasn’t yet seen the same size increase as the US or some parts of Europe)
You say its growing fast. MI5s Director General says its remained steady.
Is there anything in those links that disagree with him?
Read them - they say it’s growing fast, and (in 2021) had risen for 7 consecutive years.
I've already told you I won't read them. I have no inclination to read over 150 pages.
If you can't point me in a rough direction, I'll stick with the fella at the top our intelligence services.
The reason for this is I'm pretty damn sure you also haven't read them. "
I’ve clearly read more of them than you |
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"Not exactly sure what this makes me?
Economic Left/Right: -0.25
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -1.74
A centrist clearly (and more centre than me)
Hopefully this doesn’t descend into “how many squares does the centre ground have to cover”
I think centre is the new right.....
And I'm not worried about people trying to score more centre, it is those that are battling it out to be in the left we need to watch out for
It has been a long point interest discussion that modern society has moved so far to the left that centrist ideals are seen as far right. Like controlling immigration.
It has been a long point interest discussion that modern society has moved so far to the right that centrist ideals are seen as far left .
That makes no sense in our political landscape... We are far more tolerant today than we were 30 years ago and those changes have moved our political view points to the left.
I mentioned above that centre is the new right, and that will be from the point of view of people who are left leaning, not left of centre.
You only have to see a social media article on migrant crossings to see how much more ‘tolerant’ we are these days. Or a piece about pride month or trans folk.
As a whole society has moved forwards in 30 years, but I’d argue it’s taken a few steps back in the past decade.
I think it has taken a huge step backwards in the last 12 months caused by radicals and corporate interference.
Indeed, the far-right radicals like Yaxley-Lennon and his ilk have demonstrably increased the xenophobic attacks (literal and otherwise) of migrants and asylum seekers, for example.
And please do not forget the left radicals such as Antifa who are doing as much harm.
Antifa = anti fascist.
Aren’t we all antifa?
Nazi = national socialist.
Let's not do this
Ah, you’ll forgive me a little wind up, it’s Friday.
(But no, I don’t think antifa are as dangerous as the BNP or their offspring groups)
Bit of a weird take.
Given the amount of assaults antifa rallies have carried out
According to recent reports (since 2020) the far right are the fastest growing terror and most prominent threat to the U.K
That report must know more than MI5.
MI5’s Director General recently, who told the media earlier this month that ‘around one in five terrorism investigations in Great Britain were linked to neo-Nazi, racist ideology or other related extremism’, a rate he was reported to have said remained steady.
July 22
https://hansard.parliament.uk/Commons/2021-04-21/debates/82686720-EFBA-42E4-AC96-E843FB3AFABA/PreventionAndSuppressionOfTerrorism
https://isc.independent.gov.uk/wp-content/uploads/2022/07/E02710035-HCP-Extreme-Right-Wing-Terrorism_Accessible.pdf
Right.. what do these 2 links tell us?
I'm not gonna read Lords minutes nor a 137 page document.
Can you point to anything specific?
Just what I said. Far right terror is growing fast, is an increasing threat, and is seen by some as the prominent terror threat in the U.K (and indeed abroad - though fortunately the U.K hasn’t yet seen the same size increase as the US or some parts of Europe)
You say its growing fast. MI5s Director General says its remained steady.
Is there anything in those links that disagree with him?
Read them - they say it’s growing fast, and (in 2021) had risen for 7 consecutive years.
I've already told you I won't read them. I have no inclination to read over 150 pages.
If you can't point me in a rough direction, I'll stick with the fella at the top our intelligence services.
The reason for this is I'm pretty damn sure you also haven't read them.
I’ve clearly read more of them than you "
Fuck me, this is hard work. You've said so, help me out a little. I don't even wanna fucking argue with you, I wanna read the conflicting opinions.
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"Not exactly sure what this makes me?
Economic Left/Right: -0.25
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -1.74
A centrist clearly (and more centre than me)
Hopefully this doesn’t descend into “how many squares does the centre ground have to cover”
I think centre is the new right.....
And I'm not worried about people trying to score more centre, it is those that are battling it out to be in the left we need to watch out for
It has been a long point interest discussion that modern society has moved so far to the left that centrist ideals are seen as far right. Like controlling immigration.
It has been a long point interest discussion that modern society has moved so far to the right that centrist ideals are seen as far left .
That makes no sense in our political landscape... We are far more tolerant today than we were 30 years ago and those changes have moved our political view points to the left.
I mentioned above that centre is the new right, and that will be from the point of view of people who are left leaning, not left of centre.
You only have to see a social media article on migrant crossings to see how much more ‘tolerant’ we are these days. Or a piece about pride month or trans folk.
As a whole society has moved forwards in 30 years, but I’d argue it’s taken a few steps back in the past decade.
I think it has taken a huge step backwards in the last 12 months caused by radicals and corporate interference.
Indeed, the far-right radicals like Yaxley-Lennon and his ilk have demonstrably increased the xenophobic attacks (literal and otherwise) of migrants and asylum seekers, for example.
And please do not forget the left radicals such as Antifa who are doing as much harm.
Antifa = anti fascist.
Aren’t we all antifa?
Nazi = national socialist.
Let's not do this
Ah, you’ll forgive me a little wind up, it’s Friday.
(But no, I don’t think antifa are as dangerous as the BNP or their offspring groups)
Bit of a weird take.
Given the amount of assaults antifa rallies have carried out
According to recent reports (since 2020) the far right are the fastest growing terror and most prominent threat to the U.K
That report must know more than MI5.
MI5’s Director General recently, who told the media earlier this month that ‘around one in five terrorism investigations in Great Britain were linked to neo-Nazi, racist ideology or other related extremism’, a rate he was reported to have said remained steady.
July 22
https://hansard.parliament.uk/Commons/2021-04-21/debates/82686720-EFBA-42E4-AC96-E843FB3AFABA/PreventionAndSuppressionOfTerrorism
https://isc.independent.gov.uk/wp-content/uploads/2022/07/E02710035-HCP-Extreme-Right-Wing-Terrorism_Accessible.pdf
Right.. what do these 2 links tell us?
I'm not gonna read Lords minutes nor a 137 page document.
Can you point to anything specific?
Just what I said. Far right terror is growing fast, is an increasing threat, and is seen by some as the prominent terror threat in the U.K (and indeed abroad - though fortunately the U.K hasn’t yet seen the same size increase as the US or some parts of Europe)
You say its growing fast. MI5s Director General says its remained steady.
Is there anything in those links that disagree with him?
Read them - they say it’s growing fast, and (in 2021) had risen for 7 consecutive years.
I've already told you I won't read them. I have no inclination to read over 150 pages.
If you can't point me in a rough direction, I'll stick with the fella at the top our intelligence services.
The reason for this is I'm pretty damn sure you also haven't read them.
I’ve clearly read more of them than you "
Oh and clearly you think you have, but you're not willing to actually show that's the case. I'm not being funny mate, but quite often, you don't read your own links. |
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over a year ago
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"Not exactly sure what this makes me?
Economic Left/Right: -0.25
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -1.74
A centrist clearly (and more centre than me)
Hopefully this doesn’t descend into “how many squares does the centre ground have to cover”
I think centre is the new right.....
And I'm not worried about people trying to score more centre, it is those that are battling it out to be in the left we need to watch out for
It has been a long point interest discussion that modern society has moved so far to the left that centrist ideals are seen as far right. Like controlling immigration.
It has been a long point interest discussion that modern society has moved so far to the right that centrist ideals are seen as far left .
That makes no sense in our political landscape... We are far more tolerant today than we were 30 years ago and those changes have moved our political view points to the left.
I mentioned above that centre is the new right, and that will be from the point of view of people who are left leaning, not left of centre.
You only have to see a social media article on migrant crossings to see how much more ‘tolerant’ we are these days. Or a piece about pride month or trans folk.
As a whole society has moved forwards in 30 years, but I’d argue it’s taken a few steps back in the past decade.
I think it has taken a huge step backwards in the last 12 months caused by radicals and corporate interference.
Indeed, the far-right radicals like Yaxley-Lennon and his ilk have demonstrably increased the xenophobic attacks (literal and otherwise) of migrants and asylum seekers, for example.
And please do not forget the left radicals such as Antifa who are doing as much harm.
Antifa = anti fascist.
Aren’t we all antifa?
Nazi = national socialist.
Let's not do this
Ah, you’ll forgive me a little wind up, it’s Friday.
(But no, I don’t think antifa are as dangerous as the BNP or their offspring groups)
Bit of a weird take.
Given the amount of assaults antifa rallies have carried out
According to recent reports (since 2020) the far right are the fastest growing terror and most prominent threat to the U.K
That report must know more than MI5.
MI5’s Director General recently, who told the media earlier this month that ‘around one in five terrorism investigations in Great Britain were linked to neo-Nazi, racist ideology or other related extremism’, a rate he was reported to have said remained steady.
July 22
https://hansard.parliament.uk/Commons/2021-04-21/debates/82686720-EFBA-42E4-AC96-E843FB3AFABA/PreventionAndSuppressionOfTerrorism
https://isc.independent.gov.uk/wp-content/uploads/2022/07/E02710035-HCP-Extreme-Right-Wing-Terrorism_Accessible.pdf
Right.. what do these 2 links tell us?
I'm not gonna read Lords minutes nor a 137 page document.
Can you point to anything specific?
Just what I said. Far right terror is growing fast, is an increasing threat, and is seen by some as the prominent terror threat in the U.K (and indeed abroad - though fortunately the U.K hasn’t yet seen the same size increase as the US or some parts of Europe)
You say its growing fast. MI5s Director General says its remained steady.
Is there anything in those links that disagree with him?
Read them - they say it’s growing fast, and (in 2021) had risen for 7 consecutive years.
I've already told you I won't read them. I have no inclination to read over 150 pages.
If you can't point me in a rough direction, I'll stick with the fella at the top our intelligence services.
The reason for this is I'm pretty damn sure you also haven't read them.
I’ve clearly read more of them than you
Fuck me, this is hard work. You've said so, help me out a little. I don't even wanna fucking argue with you, I wanna read the conflicting opinions.
If you're gonna counter what he is saying then at least show the proof."
You’re making it hard work. I gave you the links. If you don’t want to read them, that’s your lookout.
I’m not getting in a bun fight about far-right terror. It’s a problem that needs dealing with. End of. |
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By *irldnCouple
over a year ago
Brighton |
"Not exactly sure what this makes me?
Economic Left/Right: -0.25
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -1.74
A centrist clearly (and more centre than me)
Hopefully this doesn’t descend into “how many squares does the centre ground have to cover”
I think centre is the new right.....
And I'm not worried about people trying to score more centre, it is those that are battling it out to be in the left we need to watch out for
It has been a long point interest discussion that modern society has moved so far to the left that centrist ideals are seen as far right. Like controlling immigration.
It has been a long point interest discussion that modern society has moved so far to the right that centrist ideals are seen as far left .
That makes no sense in our political landscape... We are far more tolerant today than we were 30 years ago and those changes have moved our political view points to the left.
I mentioned above that centre is the new right, and that will be from the point of view of people who are left leaning, not left of centre.
You only have to see a social media article on migrant crossings to see how much more ‘tolerant’ we are these days. Or a piece about pride month or trans folk.
As a whole society has moved forwards in 30 years, but I’d argue it’s taken a few steps back in the past decade.
I think it has taken a huge step backwards in the last 12 months caused by radicals and corporate interference.
Indeed, the far-right radicals like Yaxley-Lennon and his ilk have demonstrably increased the xenophobic attacks (literal and otherwise) of migrants and asylum seekers, for example.
And please do not forget the left radicals such as Antifa who are doing as much harm.
Antifa = anti fascist.
Aren’t we all antifa?
Nazi = national socialist.
Let's not do this
Ah, you’ll forgive me a little wind up, it’s Friday.
(But no, I don’t think antifa are as dangerous as the BNP or their offspring groups)
Bit of a weird take.
Given the amount of assaults antifa rallies have carried out
According to recent reports (since 2020) the far right are the fastest growing terror and most prominent threat to the U.K
That report must know more than MI5.
MI5’s Director General recently, who told the media earlier this month that ‘around one in five terrorism investigations in Great Britain were linked to neo-Nazi, racist ideology or other related extremism’, a rate he was reported to have said remained steady.
July 22
https://hansard.parliament.uk/Commons/2021-04-21/debates/82686720-EFBA-42E4-AC96-E843FB3AFABA/PreventionAndSuppressionOfTerrorism
https://isc.independent.gov.uk/wp-content/uploads/2022/07/E02710035-HCP-Extreme-Right-Wing-Terrorism_Accessible.pdf
Right.. what do these 2 links tell us?
I'm not gonna read Lords minutes nor a 137 page document.
Can you point to anything specific?"
You see that is why Morley gets so cross with all of us. He most definitely would read all 137 pages and follow the links to all sources to cross check their veracity and data gathering methodologies! |
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"Not exactly sure what this makes me?
Economic Left/Right: -0.25
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -1.74
A centrist clearly (and more centre than me)
Hopefully this doesn’t descend into “how many squares does the centre ground have to cover”
I think centre is the new right.....
And I'm not worried about people trying to score more centre, it is those that are battling it out to be in the left we need to watch out for
It has been a long point interest discussion that modern society has moved so far to the left that centrist ideals are seen as far right. Like controlling immigration.
It has been a long point interest discussion that modern society has moved so far to the right that centrist ideals are seen as far left .
That makes no sense in our political landscape... We are far more tolerant today than we were 30 years ago and those changes have moved our political view points to the left.
I mentioned above that centre is the new right, and that will be from the point of view of people who are left leaning, not left of centre.
You only have to see a social media article on migrant crossings to see how much more ‘tolerant’ we are these days. Or a piece about pride month or trans folk.
As a whole society has moved forwards in 30 years, but I’d argue it’s taken a few steps back in the past decade.
I think it has taken a huge step backwards in the last 12 months caused by radicals and corporate interference.
Indeed, the far-right radicals like Yaxley-Lennon and his ilk have demonstrably increased the xenophobic attacks (literal and otherwise) of migrants and asylum seekers, for example.
And please do not forget the left radicals such as Antifa who are doing as much harm.
Antifa = anti fascist.
Aren’t we all antifa?
Nazi = national socialist.
Let's not do this
Ah, you’ll forgive me a little wind up, it’s Friday.
(But no, I don’t think antifa are as dangerous as the BNP or their offspring groups)
Bit of a weird take.
Given the amount of assaults antifa rallies have carried out
According to recent reports (since 2020) the far right are the fastest growing terror and most prominent threat to the U.K
That report must know more than MI5.
MI5’s Director General recently, who told the media earlier this month that ‘around one in five terrorism investigations in Great Britain were linked to neo-Nazi, racist ideology or other related extremism’, a rate he was reported to have said remained steady.
July 22
https://hansard.parliament.uk/Commons/2021-04-21/debates/82686720-EFBA-42E4-AC96-E843FB3AFABA/PreventionAndSuppressionOfTerrorism
https://isc.independent.gov.uk/wp-content/uploads/2022/07/E02710035-HCP-Extreme-Right-Wing-Terrorism_Accessible.pdf
Right.. what do these 2 links tell us?
I'm not gonna read Lords minutes nor a 137 page document.
Can you point to anything specific?
You see that is why Morley gets so cross with all of us. He most definitely would read all 137 pages and follow the links to all sources to cross check their veracity and data gathering methodologies!"
This is what I'm saying. I have zero inclination to read over 150 pages of documentation.
If I can't be given the information or at least somewhere I can look (a page number maybe) I'll stick with Mr MI5. |
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"Not exactly sure what this makes me?
Economic Left/Right: -0.25
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -1.74
A centrist clearly (and more centre than me)
Hopefully this doesn’t descend into “how many squares does the centre ground have to cover”
I think centre is the new right.....
And I'm not worried about people trying to score more centre, it is those that are battling it out to be in the left we need to watch out for
It has been a long point interest discussion that modern society has moved so far to the left that centrist ideals are seen as far right. Like controlling immigration.
It has been a long point interest discussion that modern society has moved so far to the right that centrist ideals are seen as far left .
That makes no sense in our political landscape... We are far more tolerant today than we were 30 years ago and those changes have moved our political view points to the left.
I mentioned above that centre is the new right, and that will be from the point of view of people who are left leaning, not left of centre.
You only have to see a social media article on migrant crossings to see how much more ‘tolerant’ we are these days. Or a piece about pride month or trans folk.
As a whole society has moved forwards in 30 years, but I’d argue it’s taken a few steps back in the past decade.
I think it has taken a huge step backwards in the last 12 months caused by radicals and corporate interference.
Indeed, the far-right radicals like Yaxley-Lennon and his ilk have demonstrably increased the xenophobic attacks (literal and otherwise) of migrants and asylum seekers, for example.
And please do not forget the left radicals such as Antifa who are doing as much harm.
Antifa = anti fascist.
Aren’t we all antifa?
Nazi = national socialist.
Let's not do this
Ah, you’ll forgive me a little wind up, it’s Friday.
(But no, I don’t think antifa are as dangerous as the BNP or their offspring groups)
Bit of a weird take.
Given the amount of assaults antifa rallies have carried out
According to recent reports (since 2020) the far right are the fastest growing terror and most prominent threat to the U.K
That report must know more than MI5.
MI5’s Director General recently, who told the media earlier this month that ‘around one in five terrorism investigations in Great Britain were linked to neo-Nazi, racist ideology or other related extremism’, a rate he was reported to have said remained steady.
July 22
https://hansard.parliament.uk/Commons/2021-04-21/debates/82686720-EFBA-42E4-AC96-E843FB3AFABA/PreventionAndSuppressionOfTerrorism
https://isc.independent.gov.uk/wp-content/uploads/2022/07/E02710035-HCP-Extreme-Right-Wing-Terrorism_Accessible.pdf
Right.. what do these 2 links tell us?
I'm not gonna read Lords minutes nor a 137 page document.
Can you point to anything specific?
Just what I said. Far right terror is growing fast, is an increasing threat, and is seen by some as the prominent terror threat in the U.K (and indeed abroad - though fortunately the U.K hasn’t yet seen the same size increase as the US or some parts of Europe)
You say its growing fast. MI5s Director General says its remained steady.
Is there anything in those links that disagree with him?
Read them - they say it’s growing fast, and (in 2021) had risen for 7 consecutive years.
I've already told you I won't read them. I have no inclination to read over 150 pages.
If you can't point me in a rough direction, I'll stick with the fella at the top our intelligence services.
The reason for this is I'm pretty damn sure you also haven't read them.
I’ve clearly read more of them than you
Fuck me, this is hard work. You've said so, help me out a little. I don't even wanna fucking argue with you, I wanna read the conflicting opinions.
If you're gonna counter what he is saying then at least show the proof.
You’re making it hard work. I gave you the links. If you don’t want to read them, that’s your lookout.
I’m not getting in a bun fight about far-right terror. It’s a problem that needs dealing with. End of. "
I'm not arguing that it isn't a problem.
I'll stick with Mr MI5 when he tells me it's remained steady. |
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"Not exactly sure what this makes me?
Economic Left/Right: -0.25
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -1.74
A centrist clearly (and more centre than me)
Hopefully this doesn’t descend into “how many squares does the centre ground have to cover”
I think centre is the new right.....
And I'm not worried about people trying to score more centre, it is those that are battling it out to be in the left we need to watch out for
It has been a long point interest discussion that modern society has moved so far to the left that centrist ideals are seen as far right. Like controlling immigration.
It has been a long point interest discussion that modern society has moved so far to the right that centrist ideals are seen as far left .
That makes no sense in our political landscape... We are far more tolerant today than we were 30 years ago and those changes have moved our political view points to the left.
I mentioned above that centre is the new right, and that will be from the point of view of people who are left leaning, not left of centre.
You only have to see a social media article on migrant crossings to see how much more ‘tolerant’ we are these days. Or a piece about pride month or trans folk.
As a whole society has moved forwards in 30 years, but I’d argue it’s taken a few steps back in the past decade.
I think it has taken a huge step backwards in the last 12 months caused by radicals and corporate interference.
Indeed, the far-right radicals like Yaxley-Lennon and his ilk have demonstrably increased the xenophobic attacks (literal and otherwise) of migrants and asylum seekers, for example.
And please do not forget the left radicals such as Antifa who are doing as much harm.
Antifa = anti fascist.
Aren’t we all antifa?
I think you know exactly who I'm referring too. The mobs that dress in black, face coverings and attacking physically anyone who dares question their thinking on subjects that range from defunding police to trans rights and pretty much everything in between, I hope you do not condone their behaviour as it is mostly aggressive and violent?
I don’t condone any violent act.
We are going off topic again...
You are real left wing so by default anything that doesn't align will either be considered right or extreme of you.
I remember you said you were a manger for a train company, how do you get on with senior management decisions that will impact directly the workforce, do you have responsibility of delivering those changes?"
He posted a train drivers license.... |
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"Not exactly sure what this makes me?
Economic Left/Right: -0.25
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -1.74
A centrist clearly (and more centre than me)
Hopefully this doesn’t descend into “how many squares does the centre ground have to cover”
I think centre is the new right.....
And I'm not worried about people trying to score more centre, it is those that are battling it out to be in the left we need to watch out for
It has been a long point interest discussion that modern society has moved so far to the left that centrist ideals are seen as far right. Like controlling immigration.
It has been a long point interest discussion that modern society has moved so far to the right that centrist ideals are seen as far left .
That makes no sense in our political landscape... We are far more tolerant today than we were 30 years ago and those changes have moved our political view points to the left.
I mentioned above that centre is the new right, and that will be from the point of view of people who are left leaning, not left of centre.
You only have to see a social media article on migrant crossings to see how much more ‘tolerant’ we are these days. Or a piece about pride month or trans folk.
As a whole society has moved forwards in 30 years, but I’d argue it’s taken a few steps back in the past decade.
I think it has taken a huge step backwards in the last 12 months caused by radicals and corporate interference.
Indeed, the far-right radicals like Yaxley-Lennon and his ilk have demonstrably increased the xenophobic attacks (literal and otherwise) of migrants and asylum seekers, for example.
And please do not forget the left radicals such as Antifa who are doing as much harm.
Antifa = anti fascist.
Aren’t we all antifa?
Nazi = national socialist.
Let's not do this
Ah, you’ll forgive me a little wind up, it’s Friday.
(But no, I don’t think antifa are as dangerous as the BNP or their offspring groups)
Bit of a weird take.
Given the amount of assaults antifa rallies have carried out
According to recent reports (since 2020) the far right are the fastest growing terror and most prominent threat to the U.K
That report must know more than MI5.
MI5’s Director General recently, who told the media earlier this month that ‘around one in five terrorism investigations in Great Britain were linked to neo-Nazi, racist ideology or other related extremism’, a rate he was reported to have said remained steady.
July 22
https://hansard.parliament.uk/Commons/2021-04-21/debates/82686720-EFBA-42E4-AC96-E843FB3AFABA/PreventionAndSuppressionOfTerrorism
https://isc.independent.gov.uk/wp-content/uploads/2022/07/E02710035-HCP-Extreme-Right-Wing-Terrorism_Accessible.pdf
Right.. what do these 2 links tell us?
I'm not gonna read Lords minutes nor a 137 page document.
Can you point to anything specific?
You see that is why Morley gets so cross with all of us. He most definitely would read all 137 pages and follow the links to all sources to cross check their veracity and data gathering methodologies!"
Nope I'd ask as fab and feisty has done .
What specific point of the report backs up my claim.
E.g when reading a legal document on a court case and wanted to simply discuss the judgment. I'd go to the judgement not read the evidence and submissions along with caselaw. |
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By *irldnCouple
over a year ago
Brighton |
"Economic Left/Right: 2.38
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -1.79"
Sorry don’t believe you. In all our discussions you come across as further right than that. I think your self perception has manipulated your answers. |
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By *irldnCouple
over a year ago
Brighton |
"Not exactly sure what this makes me?
Economic Left/Right: -0.25
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -1.74
A centrist clearly (and more centre than me)
Hopefully this doesn’t descend into “how many squares does the centre ground have to cover”
I think centre is the new right.....
And I'm not worried about people trying to score more centre, it is those that are battling it out to be in the left we need to watch out for
It has been a long point interest discussion that modern society has moved so far to the left that centrist ideals are seen as far right. Like controlling immigration.
It has been a long point interest discussion that modern society has moved so far to the right that centrist ideals are seen as far left .
That makes no sense in our political landscape... We are far more tolerant today than we were 30 years ago and those changes have moved our political view points to the left.
I mentioned above that centre is the new right, and that will be from the point of view of people who are left leaning, not left of centre.
You only have to see a social media article on migrant crossings to see how much more ‘tolerant’ we are these days. Or a piece about pride month or trans folk.
As a whole society has moved forwards in 30 years, but I’d argue it’s taken a few steps back in the past decade.
I think it has taken a huge step backwards in the last 12 months caused by radicals and corporate interference.
Indeed, the far-right radicals like Yaxley-Lennon and his ilk have demonstrably increased the xenophobic attacks (literal and otherwise) of migrants and asylum seekers, for example.
And please do not forget the left radicals such as Antifa who are doing as much harm.
Antifa = anti fascist.
Aren’t we all antifa?
Nazi = national socialist.
Let's not do this
Ah, you’ll forgive me a little wind up, it’s Friday.
(But no, I don’t think antifa are as dangerous as the BNP or their offspring groups)
Bit of a weird take.
Given the amount of assaults antifa rallies have carried out
According to recent reports (since 2020) the far right are the fastest growing terror and most prominent threat to the U.K
That report must know more than MI5.
MI5’s Director General recently, who told the media earlier this month that ‘around one in five terrorism investigations in Great Britain were linked to neo-Nazi, racist ideology or other related extremism’, a rate he was reported to have said remained steady.
July 22
https://hansard.parliament.uk/Commons/2021-04-21/debates/82686720-EFBA-42E4-AC96-E843FB3AFABA/PreventionAndSuppressionOfTerrorism
https://isc.independent.gov.uk/wp-content/uploads/2022/07/E02710035-HCP-Extreme-Right-Wing-Terrorism_Accessible.pdf
Right.. what do these 2 links tell us?
I'm not gonna read Lords minutes nor a 137 page document.
Can you point to anything specific?
You see that is why Morley gets so cross with all of us. He most definitely would read all 137 pages and follow the links to all sources to cross check their veracity and data gathering methodologies!
Nope I'd ask as fab and feisty has done .
What specific point of the report backs up my claim.
E.g when reading a legal document on a court case and wanted to simply discuss the judgment. I'd go to the judgement not read the evidence and submissions along with caselaw. "
It was a joke 
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By *otMe66Man
over a year ago
Terra Firma |
"Economic Left/Right: 2.38
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -1.79
Sorry don’t believe you. In all our discussions you come across as further right than that. I think your self perception has manipulated your answers. "
I'm not so sure, the questions are weighted towards US and will push UK answers to the left on Social Libertarian/Authoritarian scale. |
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"Economic Left/Right: 2.38
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -1.79
Sorry don’t believe you. In all our discussions you come across as further right than that. I think your self perception has manipulated your answers. "
Nope all answered fairly I am afraid. Not coping well with realising g how much of a socialist you are then eh |
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"Not exactly sure what this makes me?
Economic Left/Right: -0.25
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -1.74
A centrist clearly (and more centre than me)
Hopefully this doesn’t descend into “how many squares does the centre ground have to cover”
I think centre is the new right.....
And I'm not worried about people trying to score more centre, it is those that are battling it out to be in the left we need to watch out for
It has been a long point interest discussion that modern society has moved so far to the left that centrist ideals are seen as far right. Like controlling immigration.
It has been a long point interest discussion that modern society has moved so far to the right that centrist ideals are seen as far left .
That makes no sense in our political landscape... We are far more tolerant today than we were 30 years ago and those changes have moved our political view points to the left.
I mentioned above that centre is the new right, and that will be from the point of view of people who are left leaning, not left of centre.
You only have to see a social media article on migrant crossings to see how much more ‘tolerant’ we are these days. Or a piece about pride month or trans folk.
As a whole society has moved forwards in 30 years, but I’d argue it’s taken a few steps back in the past decade.
I think it has taken a huge step backwards in the last 12 months caused by radicals and corporate interference.
Indeed, the far-right radicals like Yaxley-Lennon and his ilk have demonstrably increased the xenophobic attacks (literal and otherwise) of migrants and asylum seekers, for example.
And please do not forget the left radicals such as Antifa who are doing as much harm.
Antifa = anti fascist.
Aren’t we all antifa?
Nazi = national socialist.
Let's not do this
Ah, you’ll forgive me a little wind up, it’s Friday.
(But no, I don’t think antifa are as dangerous as the BNP or their offspring groups)
Bit of a weird take.
Given the amount of assaults antifa rallies have carried out
According to recent reports (since 2020) the far right are the fastest growing terror and most prominent threat to the U.K
That report must know more than MI5.
MI5’s Director General recently, who told the media earlier this month that ‘around one in five terrorism investigations in Great Britain were linked to neo-Nazi, racist ideology or other related extremism’, a rate he was reported to have said remained steady.
July 22
https://hansard.parliament.uk/Commons/2021-04-21/debates/82686720-EFBA-42E4-AC96-E843FB3AFABA/PreventionAndSuppressionOfTerrorism
https://isc.independent.gov.uk/wp-content/uploads/2022/07/E02710035-HCP-Extreme-Right-Wing-Terrorism_Accessible.pdf
Right.. what do these 2 links tell us?
I'm not gonna read Lords minutes nor a 137 page document.
Can you point to anything specific?
You see that is why Morley gets so cross with all of us. He most definitely would read all 137 pages and follow the links to all sources to cross check their veracity and data gathering methodologies!
Nope I'd ask as fab and feisty has done .
What specific point of the report backs up my claim.
E.g when reading a legal document on a court case and wanted to simply discuss the judgment. I'd go to the judgement not read the evidence and submissions along with caselaw.
It was a joke
You do need to take yourself less seriously!"
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over a year ago
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"Not exactly sure what this makes me?
Economic Left/Right: -0.25
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -1.74
A centrist clearly (and more centre than me)
Hopefully this doesn’t descend into “how many squares does the centre ground have to cover”
I think centre is the new right.....
And I'm not worried about people trying to score more centre, it is those that are battling it out to be in the left we need to watch out for
It has been a long point interest discussion that modern society has moved so far to the left that centrist ideals are seen as far right. Like controlling immigration.
It has been a long point interest discussion that modern society has moved so far to the right that centrist ideals are seen as far left .
That makes no sense in our political landscape... We are far more tolerant today than we were 30 years ago and those changes have moved our political view points to the left.
I mentioned above that centre is the new right, and that will be from the point of view of people who are left leaning, not left of centre.
You only have to see a social media article on migrant crossings to see how much more ‘tolerant’ we are these days. Or a piece about pride month or trans folk.
As a whole society has moved forwards in 30 years, but I’d argue it’s taken a few steps back in the past decade.
I think it has taken a huge step backwards in the last 12 months caused by radicals and corporate interference.
Indeed, the far-right radicals like Yaxley-Lennon and his ilk have demonstrably increased the xenophobic attacks (literal and otherwise) of migrants and asylum seekers, for example.
And please do not forget the left radicals such as Antifa who are doing as much harm.
Antifa = anti fascist.
Aren’t we all antifa?
Nazi = national socialist.
Let's not do this
Ah, you’ll forgive me a little wind up, it’s Friday.
(But no, I don’t think antifa are as dangerous as the BNP or their offspring groups)
Bit of a weird take.
Given the amount of assaults antifa rallies have carried out
According to recent reports (since 2020) the far right are the fastest growing terror and most prominent threat to the U.K
That report must know more than MI5.
MI5’s Director General recently, who told the media earlier this month that ‘around one in five terrorism investigations in Great Britain were linked to neo-Nazi, racist ideology or other related extremism’, a rate he was reported to have said remained steady.
July 22
https://hansard.parliament.uk/Commons/2021-04-21/debates/82686720-EFBA-42E4-AC96-E843FB3AFABA/PreventionAndSuppressionOfTerrorism
https://isc.independent.gov.uk/wp-content/uploads/2022/07/E02710035-HCP-Extreme-Right-Wing-Terrorism_Accessible.pdf
Right.. what do these 2 links tell us?
I'm not gonna read Lords minutes nor a 137 page document.
Can you point to anything specific?
You see that is why Morley gets so cross with all of us. He most definitely would read all 137 pages and follow the links to all sources to cross check their veracity and data gathering methodologies!
Nope I'd ask as fab and feisty has done .
What specific point of the report backs up my claim.
E.g when reading a legal document on a court case and wanted to simply discuss the judgment. I'd go to the judgement not read the evidence and submissions along with caselaw.
It was a joke
You do need to take yourself less seriously!"
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"Not exactly sure what this makes me?
Economic Left/Right: -0.25
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -1.74
A centrist clearly (and more centre than me)
Hopefully this doesn’t descend into “how many squares does the centre ground have to cover”
I think centre is the new right.....
And I'm not worried about people trying to score more centre, it is those that are battling it out to be in the left we need to watch out for
It has been a long point interest discussion that modern society has moved so far to the left that centrist ideals are seen as far right. Like controlling immigration.
It has been a long point interest discussion that modern society has moved so far to the right that centrist ideals are seen as far left .
That makes no sense in our political landscape... We are far more tolerant today than we were 30 years ago and those changes have moved our political view points to the left.
I mentioned above that centre is the new right, and that will be from the point of view of people who are left leaning, not left of centre.
You only have to see a social media article on migrant crossings to see how much more ‘tolerant’ we are these days. Or a piece about pride month or trans folk.
As a whole society has moved forwards in 30 years, but I’d argue it’s taken a few steps back in the past decade.
I think it has taken a huge step backwards in the last 12 months caused by radicals and corporate interference.
Indeed, the far-right radicals like Yaxley-Lennon and his ilk have demonstrably increased the xenophobic attacks (literal and otherwise) of migrants and asylum seekers, for example.
And please do not forget the left radicals such as Antifa who are doing as much harm.
Antifa = anti fascist.
Aren’t we all antifa?
Nazi = national socialist.
Let's not do this
Ah, you’ll forgive me a little wind up, it’s Friday.
(But no, I don’t think antifa are as dangerous as the BNP or their offspring groups)
Bit of a weird take.
Given the amount of assaults antifa rallies have carried out
According to recent reports (since 2020) the far right are the fastest growing terror and most prominent threat to the U.K
That report must know more than MI5.
MI5’s Director General recently, who told the media earlier this month that ‘around one in five terrorism investigations in Great Britain were linked to neo-Nazi, racist ideology or other related extremism’, a rate he was reported to have said remained steady.
July 22
https://hansard.parliament.uk/Commons/2021-04-21/debates/82686720-EFBA-42E4-AC96-E843FB3AFABA/PreventionAndSuppressionOfTerrorism
https://isc.independent.gov.uk/wp-content/uploads/2022/07/E02710035-HCP-Extreme-Right-Wing-Terrorism_Accessible.pdf
Right.. what do these 2 links tell us?
I'm not gonna read Lords minutes nor a 137 page document.
Can you point to anything specific?
You see that is why Morley gets so cross with all of us. He most definitely would read all 137 pages and follow the links to all sources to cross check their veracity and data gathering methodologies!
Nope I'd ask as fab and feisty has done .
What specific point of the report backs up my claim.
E.g when reading a legal document on a court case and wanted to simply discuss the judgment. I'd go to the judgement not read the evidence and submissions along with caselaw.
It was a joke
You do need to take yourself less seriously!
There’s a reason so few right-wing comedians are out there "
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"Not exactly sure what this makes me?
Economic Left/Right: -0.25
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -1.74
A centrist clearly (and more centre than me)
Hopefully this doesn’t descend into “how many squares does the centre ground have to cover”
I think centre is the new right.....
And I'm not worried about people trying to score more centre, it is those that are battling it out to be in the left we need to watch out for
It has been a long point interest discussion that modern society has moved so far to the left that centrist ideals are seen as far right. Like controlling immigration.
It has been a long point interest discussion that modern society has moved so far to the right that centrist ideals are seen as far left .
That makes no sense in our political landscape... We are far more tolerant today than we were 30 years ago and those changes have moved our political view points to the left.
I mentioned above that centre is the new right, and that will be from the point of view of people who are left leaning, not left of centre.
You only have to see a social media article on migrant crossings to see how much more ‘tolerant’ we are these days. Or a piece about pride month or trans folk.
As a whole society has moved forwards in 30 years, but I’d argue it’s taken a few steps back in the past decade.
I think it has taken a huge step backwards in the last 12 months caused by radicals and corporate interference.
Indeed, the far-right radicals like Yaxley-Lennon and his ilk have demonstrably increased the xenophobic attacks (literal and otherwise) of migrants and asylum seekers, for example.
And please do not forget the left radicals such as Antifa who are doing as much harm.
Antifa = anti fascist.
Aren’t we all antifa?
Nazi = national socialist.
Let's not do this
Ah, you’ll forgive me a little wind up, it’s Friday.
(But no, I don’t think antifa are as dangerous as the BNP or their offspring groups)
Bit of a weird take.
Given the amount of assaults antifa rallies have carried out
According to recent reports (since 2020) the far right are the fastest growing terror and most prominent threat to the U.K
That report must know more than MI5.
MI5’s Director General recently, who told the media earlier this month that ‘around one in five terrorism investigations in Great Britain were linked to neo-Nazi, racist ideology or other related extremism’, a rate he was reported to have said remained steady.
July 22
https://hansard.parliament.uk/Commons/2021-04-21/debates/82686720-EFBA-42E4-AC96-E843FB3AFABA/PreventionAndSuppressionOfTerrorism
https://isc.independent.gov.uk/wp-content/uploads/2022/07/E02710035-HCP-Extreme-Right-Wing-Terrorism_Accessible.pdf
Right.. what do these 2 links tell us?
I'm not gonna read Lords minutes nor a 137 page document.
Can you point to anything specific?
You see that is why Morley gets so cross with all of us. He most definitely would read all 137 pages and follow the links to all sources to cross check their veracity and data gathering methodologies!
Nope I'd ask as fab and feisty has done .
What specific point of the report backs up my claim.
E.g when reading a legal document on a court case and wanted to simply discuss the judgment. I'd go to the judgement not read the evidence and submissions along with caselaw.
It was a joke
You do need to take yourself less seriously!
There’s a reason so few right-wing comedians are out there "
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By *irldnCouple
over a year ago
Brighton |
"Economic Left/Right: 2.38
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -1.79
Sorry don’t believe you. In all our discussions you come across as further right than that. I think your self perception has manipulated your answers.
Nope all answered fairly I am afraid. Not coping well with realising g how much of a socialist you are then eh"
If you say so!
As NotMe said this is skewed to USA. I am totally comfortable where I am. Roughly where I expected (slightly left of centre).
I just don’t believe yours. It certainly doesn’t align with Tufton St thinking. Interesting though. |
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By *irldnCouple
over a year ago
Brighton |
"Not exactly sure what this makes me?
Economic Left/Right: -0.25
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -1.74
A centrist clearly (and more centre than me)
Hopefully this doesn’t descend into “how many squares does the centre ground have to cover”
I think centre is the new right.....
And I'm not worried about people trying to score more centre, it is those that are battling it out to be in the left we need to watch out for
It has been a long point interest discussion that modern society has moved so far to the left that centrist ideals are seen as far right. Like controlling immigration.
It has been a long point interest discussion that modern society has moved so far to the right that centrist ideals are seen as far left .
That makes no sense in our political landscape... We are far more tolerant today than we were 30 years ago and those changes have moved our political view points to the left.
I mentioned above that centre is the new right, and that will be from the point of view of people who are left leaning, not left of centre.
You only have to see a social media article on migrant crossings to see how much more ‘tolerant’ we are these days. Or a piece about pride month or trans folk.
As a whole society has moved forwards in 30 years, but I’d argue it’s taken a few steps back in the past decade.
I think it has taken a huge step backwards in the last 12 months caused by radicals and corporate interference.
Indeed, the far-right radicals like Yaxley-Lennon and his ilk have demonstrably increased the xenophobic attacks (literal and otherwise) of migrants and asylum seekers, for example.
And please do not forget the left radicals such as Antifa who are doing as much harm.
Antifa = anti fascist.
Aren’t we all antifa?
Nazi = national socialist.
Let's not do this
Ah, you’ll forgive me a little wind up, it’s Friday.
(But no, I don’t think antifa are as dangerous as the BNP or their offspring groups)
Bit of a weird take.
Given the amount of assaults antifa rallies have carried out
According to recent reports (since 2020) the far right are the fastest growing terror and most prominent threat to the U.K
That report must know more than MI5.
MI5’s Director General recently, who told the media earlier this month that ‘around one in five terrorism investigations in Great Britain were linked to neo-Nazi, racist ideology or other related extremism’, a rate he was reported to have said remained steady.
July 22
https://hansard.parliament.uk/Commons/2021-04-21/debates/82686720-EFBA-42E4-AC96-E843FB3AFABA/PreventionAndSuppressionOfTerrorism
https://isc.independent.gov.uk/wp-content/uploads/2022/07/E02710035-HCP-Extreme-Right-Wing-Terrorism_Accessible.pdf
Right.. what do these 2 links tell us?
I'm not gonna read Lords minutes nor a 137 page document.
Can you point to anything specific?
You see that is why Morley gets so cross with all of us. He most definitely would read all 137 pages and follow the links to all sources to cross check their veracity and data gathering methodologies!
Nope I'd ask as fab and feisty has done .
What specific point of the report backs up my claim.
E.g when reading a legal document on a court case and wanted to simply discuss the judgment. I'd go to the judgement not read the evidence and submissions along with caselaw.
It was a joke
You do need to take yourself less seriously!
Your jokes are just quite vitriolic and boring."
Weren’t you the chap who accused others of “vile lies”. Some perspective may be in order! |
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"Not exactly sure what this makes me?
Economic Left/Right: -0.25
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -1.74
A centrist clearly (and more centre than me)
Hopefully this doesn’t descend into “how many squares does the centre ground have to cover”
I think centre is the new right.....
And I'm not worried about people trying to score more centre, it is those that are battling it out to be in the left we need to watch out for
It has been a long point interest discussion that modern society has moved so far to the left that centrist ideals are seen as far right. Like controlling immigration.
It has been a long point interest discussion that modern society has moved so far to the right that centrist ideals are seen as far left .
That makes no sense in our political landscape... We are far more tolerant today than we were 30 years ago and those changes have moved our political view points to the left.
I mentioned above that centre is the new right, and that will be from the point of view of people who are left leaning, not left of centre.
You only have to see a social media article on migrant crossings to see how much more ‘tolerant’ we are these days. Or a piece about pride month or trans folk.
As a whole society has moved forwards in 30 years, but I’d argue it’s taken a few steps back in the past decade.
I think it has taken a huge step backwards in the last 12 months caused by radicals and corporate interference.
Indeed, the far-right radicals like Yaxley-Lennon and his ilk have demonstrably increased the xenophobic attacks (literal and otherwise) of migrants and asylum seekers, for example.
And please do not forget the left radicals such as Antifa who are doing as much harm.
Antifa = anti fascist.
Aren’t we all antifa?
Nazi = national socialist.
Let's not do this
Ah, you’ll forgive me a little wind up, it’s Friday.
(But no, I don’t think antifa are as dangerous as the BNP or their offspring groups)
Bit of a weird take.
Given the amount of assaults antifa rallies have carried out
According to recent reports (since 2020) the far right are the fastest growing terror and most prominent threat to the U.K
That report must know more than MI5.
MI5’s Director General recently, who told the media earlier this month that ‘around one in five terrorism investigations in Great Britain were linked to neo-Nazi, racist ideology or other related extremism’, a rate he was reported to have said remained steady.
July 22
https://hansard.parliament.uk/Commons/2021-04-21/debates/82686720-EFBA-42E4-AC96-E843FB3AFABA/PreventionAndSuppressionOfTerrorism
https://isc.independent.gov.uk/wp-content/uploads/2022/07/E02710035-HCP-Extreme-Right-Wing-Terrorism_Accessible.pdf
Right.. what do these 2 links tell us?
I'm not gonna read Lords minutes nor a 137 page document.
Can you point to anything specific?
You see that is why Morley gets so cross with all of us. He most definitely would read all 137 pages and follow the links to all sources to cross check their veracity and data gathering methodologies!
Nope I'd ask as fab and feisty has done .
What specific point of the report backs up my claim.
E.g when reading a legal document on a court case and wanted to simply discuss the judgment. I'd go to the judgement not read the evidence and submissions along with caselaw.
It was a joke
You do need to take yourself less seriously!
Your jokes are just quite vitriolic and boring.
Weren’t you the chap who accused others of “vile lies”. Some perspective may be in order!"
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I dont continually try and mock some 1 under the pretence of a "joke" if I want to mock i'll mock.
But I won't sugar coat it as a joke so I look less of a cunt.
You can stop with the "it was a joke" posts when you come across a knob
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"Economic Left/Right: 2.38
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -1.79
Sorry don’t believe you. In all our discussions you come across as further right than that. I think your self perception has manipulated your answers.
Nope all answered fairly I am afraid. Not coping well with realising g how much of a socialist you are then eh
If you say so!
As NotMe said this is skewed to USA. I am totally comfortable where I am. Roughly where I expected (slightly left of centre).
I just don’t believe yours. It certainly doesn’t align with Tufton St thinking. Interesting though."
I'm not sure what Tufton street thinking is.
Or what you think it is.
It probably isn't what your warped sense of centre beleives |
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over a year ago
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"Economic Left/Right: 2.38
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -1.79
Sorry don’t believe you. In all our discussions you come across as further right than that. I think your self perception has manipulated your answers.
Nope all answered fairly I am afraid. Not coping well with realising g how much of a socialist you are then eh
If you say so!
As NotMe said this is skewed to USA. I am totally comfortable where I am. Roughly where I expected (slightly left of centre).
I just don’t believe yours. It certainly doesn’t align with Tufton St thinking. Interesting though.
I'm not sure what Tufton street thinking is.
Or what you think it is.
It probably isn't what your warped sense of centre beleives"
Pro Truss
Pro Boris
Anti EU
Appose climate change and green energy
You tick every box
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By *irldnCouple
over a year ago
Brighton |
"Not exactly sure what this makes me?
Economic Left/Right: -0.25
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -1.74
A centrist clearly (and more centre than me)
Hopefully this doesn’t descend into “how many squares does the centre ground have to cover”
I think centre is the new right.....
And I'm not worried about people trying to score more centre, it is those that are battling it out to be in the left we need to watch out for
It has been a long point interest discussion that modern society has moved so far to the left that centrist ideals are seen as far right. Like controlling immigration.
It has been a long point interest discussion that modern society has moved so far to the right that centrist ideals are seen as far left .
That makes no sense in our political landscape... We are far more tolerant today than we were 30 years ago and those changes have moved our political view points to the left.
I mentioned above that centre is the new right, and that will be from the point of view of people who are left leaning, not left of centre.
You only have to see a social media article on migrant crossings to see how much more ‘tolerant’ we are these days. Or a piece about pride month or trans folk.
As a whole society has moved forwards in 30 years, but I’d argue it’s taken a few steps back in the past decade.
I think it has taken a huge step backwards in the last 12 months caused by radicals and corporate interference.
Indeed, the far-right radicals like Yaxley-Lennon and his ilk have demonstrably increased the xenophobic attacks (literal and otherwise) of migrants and asylum seekers, for example.
And please do not forget the left radicals such as Antifa who are doing as much harm.
Antifa = anti fascist.
Aren’t we all antifa?
Nazi = national socialist.
Let's not do this
Ah, you’ll forgive me a little wind up, it’s Friday.
(But no, I don’t think antifa are as dangerous as the BNP or their offspring groups)
Bit of a weird take.
Given the amount of assaults antifa rallies have carried out
According to recent reports (since 2020) the far right are the fastest growing terror and most prominent threat to the U.K
That report must know more than MI5.
MI5’s Director General recently, who told the media earlier this month that ‘around one in five terrorism investigations in Great Britain were linked to neo-Nazi, racist ideology or other related extremism’, a rate he was reported to have said remained steady.
July 22
https://hansard.parliament.uk/Commons/2021-04-21/debates/82686720-EFBA-42E4-AC96-E843FB3AFABA/PreventionAndSuppressionOfTerrorism
https://isc.independent.gov.uk/wp-content/uploads/2022/07/E02710035-HCP-Extreme-Right-Wing-Terrorism_Accessible.pdf
Right.. what do these 2 links tell us?
I'm not gonna read Lords minutes nor a 137 page document.
Can you point to anything specific?
You see that is why Morley gets so cross with all of us. He most definitely would read all 137 pages and follow the links to all sources to cross check their veracity and data gathering methodologies!
Nope I'd ask as fab and feisty has done .
What specific point of the report backs up my claim.
E.g when reading a legal document on a court case and wanted to simply discuss the judgment. I'd go to the judgement not read the evidence and submissions along with caselaw.
It was a joke
You do need to take yourself less seriously!
Your jokes are just quite vitriolic and boring.
Weren’t you the chap who accused others of “vile lies”. Some perspective may be in order!
They were vile lies. "
P E R S P E C T I V E
A “vile” lie could be assigned to calling someone a kiddie fiddler or wife beater! It hardly applies to someone accusing you of copying someone’s tweets and such like! |
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"Economic Left/Right: 2.38
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -1.79
Sorry don’t believe you. In all our discussions you come across as further right than that. I think your self perception has manipulated your answers.
Nope all answered fairly I am afraid. Not coping well with realising g how much of a socialist you are then eh
If you say so!
As NotMe said this is skewed to USA. I am totally comfortable where I am. Roughly where I expected (slightly left of centre).
I just don’t believe yours. It certainly doesn’t align with Tufton St thinking. Interesting though.
I'm not sure what Tufton street thinking is.
Or what you think it is.
It probably isn't what your warped sense of centre beleives
Pro Truss
Pro Boris
Anti EU
Appose climate change and green energy
You tick every box
"
I see him as anti EU but pro single market.
He's definitely not against green energy, he just doesn't think NetZero is realistic.
Pro Tories, doesn't think Sunak is a real Tory.
That does not make him 'tick every box'
Where's yours? |
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By *irldnCouple
over a year ago
Brighton |
"I dont continually try and mock some 1 under the pretence of a "joke" if I want to mock i'll mock.
But I won't sugar coat it as a joke so I look less of a cunt.
You can stop with the "it was a joke" posts when you come across a knob
"
So when I come across a knob you want me to stop? Lots of knobs on here!
Hmmm!
I’ll stop joking with you when you stop patronising! Deal? |
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"I dont continually try and mock some 1 under the pretence of a "joke" if I want to mock i'll mock.
But I won't sugar coat it as a joke so I look less of a cunt.
You can stop with the "it was a joke" posts when you come across a knob
"
That one was a joke, come on.
Others (not _irldn) maybe not but I read that as a definite joke. It's just a bit of banter between frienemies |
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By *irldnCouple
over a year ago
Brighton |
"Economic Left/Right: 2.38
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -1.79
Sorry don’t believe you. In all our discussions you come across as further right than that. I think your self perception has manipulated your answers.
Nope all answered fairly I am afraid. Not coping well with realising g how much of a socialist you are then eh
If you say so!
As NotMe said this is skewed to USA. I am totally comfortable where I am. Roughly where I expected (slightly left of centre).
I just don’t believe yours. It certainly doesn’t align with Tufton St thinking. Interesting though.
I'm not sure what Tufton street thinking is.
Or what you think it is.
It probably isn't what your warped sense of centre beleives
Pro Truss
Pro Boris
Anti EU
Appose climate change and green energy
You tick every box
"
This is far from comprehensive...
The ideological common-ground of these Tufton St “think tanks” is market fundamentalism. They all believe in slashing public spending and therefore public services, in minimal taxation and in minimal regulation of businesses. Here are a few examples of their suggestions:
* The Adam Smith Institute believes that Britain needs more slums;
* The Centre for Policy Studies has a plan to ‘help’ with the cost-of-living crisis by removing the green levy from energy bills (despite the climate emergency and instead of price caps on energy companies), by reducing standards of childcare to reduce cost and by unilaterally abolishing all import tariffs;
* The Global Warming Policy Foundation claims that ‘Empirical Observation shows no Evidence of “Climate Crisis”’; and
* The Institute for Economic Affairs wants to abolish the NHS;
* The Taxpayers Alliance called for benefits to pensioners to be slashed because “some of the people… won’t be around to vote against you in the next election [and the rest] might have forgotten by then.” |
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"Economic Left/Right: 2.38
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -1.79
Sorry don’t believe you. In all our discussions you come across as further right than that. I think your self perception has manipulated your answers.
Nope all answered fairly I am afraid. Not coping well with realising g how much of a socialist you are then eh
If you say so!
As NotMe said this is skewed to USA. I am totally comfortable where I am. Roughly where I expected (slightly left of centre).
I just don’t believe yours. It certainly doesn’t align with Tufton St thinking. Interesting though.
I'm not sure what Tufton street thinking is.
Or what you think it is.
It probably isn't what your warped sense of centre beleives
Pro Truss
Pro Boris
Anti EU
Appose climate change and green energy
You tick every box
This is far from comprehensive...
The ideological common-ground of these Tufton St “think tanks” is market fundamentalism. They all believe in slashing public spending and therefore public services, in minimal taxation and in minimal regulation of businesses. Here are a few examples of their suggestions:
* The Adam Smith Institute believes that Britain needs more slums;
* The Centre for Policy Studies has a plan to ‘help’ with the cost-of-living crisis by removing the green levy from energy bills (despite the climate emergency and instead of price caps on energy companies), by reducing standards of childcare to reduce cost and by unilaterally abolishing all import tariffs;
* The Global Warming Policy Foundation claims that ‘Empirical Observation shows no Evidence of “Climate Crisis”’; and
* The Institute for Economic Affairs wants to abolish the NHS;
* The Taxpayers Alliance called for benefits to pensioners to be slashed because “some of the people… won’t be around to vote against you in the next election [and the rest] might have forgotten by then.”"
I was literally just on your side and then you post this.
I'm not sure I've ever seen these statements from Morleys posts. |
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"I dont continually try and mock some 1 under the pretence of a "joke" if I want to mock i'll mock.
But I won't sugar coat it as a joke so I look less of a cunt.
You can stop with the "it was a joke" posts when you come across a knob
That one was a joke, come on.
Others (not _irldn) maybe not but I read that as a definite joke. It's just a bit of banter between frienemies "
No it's not. I told then to stop. They carried on.
So they can get lost hiding behind it.
The whole Tufton street, gully tell you that , Briefings for Britain. Instead of attacking the point just insults.
They were told to stop.
They Carried on.
It's pathetic
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"Not exactly sure what this makes me?
Economic Left/Right: -0.25
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -1.74
A centrist clearly (and more centre than me)
Hopefully this doesn’t descend into “how many squares does the centre ground have to cover”
I think centre is the new right.....
And I'm not worried about people trying to score more centre, it is those that are battling it out to be in the left we need to watch out for
It has been a long point interest discussion that modern society has moved so far to the left that centrist ideals are seen as far right. Like controlling immigration.
It has been a long point interest discussion that modern society has moved so far to the right that centrist ideals are seen as far left .
That makes no sense in our political landscape... We are far more tolerant today than we were 30 years ago and those changes have moved our political view points to the left.
I mentioned above that centre is the new right, and that will be from the point of view of people who are left leaning, not left of centre.
You only have to see a social media article on migrant crossings to see how much more ‘tolerant’ we are these days. Or a piece about pride month or trans folk.
As a whole society has moved forwards in 30 years, but I’d argue it’s taken a few steps back in the past decade.
I think it has taken a huge step backwards in the last 12 months caused by radicals and corporate interference.
Indeed, the far-right radicals like Yaxley-Lennon and his ilk have demonstrably increased the xenophobic attacks (literal and otherwise) of migrants and asylum seekers, for example.
And please do not forget the left radicals such as Antifa who are doing as much harm.
Antifa = anti fascist.
Aren’t we all antifa?
Nazi = national socialist.
Let's not do this
Ah, you’ll forgive me a little wind up, it’s Friday.
(But no, I don’t think antifa are as dangerous as the BNP or their offspring groups)
Bit of a weird take.
Given the amount of assaults antifa rallies have carried out
According to recent reports (since 2020) the far right are the fastest growing terror and most prominent threat to the U.K
That report must know more than MI5.
MI5’s Director General recently, who told the media earlier this month that ‘around one in five terrorism investigations in Great Britain were linked to neo-Nazi, racist ideology or other related extremism’, a rate he was reported to have said remained steady.
July 22
https://hansard.parliament.uk/Commons/2021-04-21/debates/82686720-EFBA-42E4-AC96-E843FB3AFABA/PreventionAndSuppressionOfTerrorism
https://isc.independent.gov.uk/wp-content/uploads/2022/07/E02710035-HCP-Extreme-Right-Wing-Terrorism_Accessible.pdf
Right.. what do these 2 links tell us?
I'm not gonna read Lords minutes nor a 137 page document.
Can you point to anything specific?
You see that is why Morley gets so cross with all of us. He most definitely would read all 137 pages and follow the links to all sources to cross check their veracity and data gathering methodologies!
Nope I'd ask as fab and feisty has done .
What specific point of the report backs up my claim.
E.g when reading a legal document on a court case and wanted to simply discuss the judgment. I'd go to the judgement not read the evidence and submissions along with caselaw.
It was a joke
You do need to take yourself less seriously!
Your jokes are just quite vitriolic and boring.
Weren’t you the chap who accused others of “vile lies”. Some perspective may be in order!
They were vile lies.
P E R S P E C T I V E
A “vile” lie could be assigned to calling someone a kiddie fiddler or wife beater! It hardly applies to someone accusing you of copying someone’s tweets and such like!"
I'll call lies about me vile and accusations thank you. |
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"Economic Left/Right: 2.38
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -1.79
Sorry don’t believe you. In all our discussions you come across as further right than that. I think your self perception has manipulated your answers.
Nope all answered fairly I am afraid. Not coping well with realising g how much of a socialist you are then eh
If you say so!
As NotMe said this is skewed to USA. I am totally comfortable where I am. Roughly where I expected (slightly left of centre).
I just don’t believe yours. It certainly doesn’t align with Tufton St thinking. Interesting though.
I'm not sure what Tufton street thinking is.
Or what you think it is.
It probably isn't what your warped sense of centre beleives
Pro Truss
Pro Boris
Anti EU
Appose climate change and green energy
You tick every box
I see him as anti EU but pro single market.
He's definitely not against green energy, he just doesn't think NetZero is realistic.
Pro Tories, doesn't think Sunak is a real Tory.
That does not make him 'tick every box'
Where's yours?"
Pretty much.
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"Economic Left/Right: 2.38
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -1.79
Sorry don’t believe you. In all our discussions you come across as further right than that. I think your self perception has manipulated your answers.
Nope all answered fairly I am afraid. Not coping well with realising g how much of a socialist you are then eh
If you say so!
As NotMe said this is skewed to USA. I am totally comfortable where I am. Roughly where I expected (slightly left of centre).
I just don’t believe yours. It certainly doesn’t align with Tufton St thinking. Interesting though.
I'm not sure what Tufton street thinking is.
Or what you think it is.
It probably isn't what your warped sense of centre beleives
Pro Truss
Pro Boris
Anti EU
Appose climate change and green energy
You tick every box
This is far from comprehensive...
The ideological common-ground of these Tufton St “think tanks” is market fundamentalism. They all believe in slashing public spending and therefore public services, in minimal taxation and in minimal regulation of businesses. Here are a few examples of their suggestions:
* The Adam Smith Institute believes that Britain needs more slums;
* The Centre for Policy Studies has a plan to ‘help’ with the cost-of-living crisis by removing the green levy from energy bills (despite the climate emergency and instead of price caps on energy companies), by reducing standards of childcare to reduce cost and by unilaterally abolishing all import tariffs;
* The Global Warming Policy Foundation claims that ‘Empirical Observation shows no Evidence of “Climate Crisis”’; and
* The Institute for Economic Affairs wants to abolish the NHS;
* The Taxpayers Alliance called for benefits to pensioners to be slashed because “some of the people… won’t be around to vote against you in the next election [and the rest] might have forgotten by then.”
I was literally just on your side and then you post this.
I'm not sure I've ever seen these statements from Morleys posts."
And down the rabbit hole birldan goes.
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"I dont continually try and mock some 1 under the pretence of a "joke" if I want to mock i'll mock.
But I won't sugar coat it as a joke so I look less of a cunt.
You can stop with the "it was a joke" posts when you come across a knob
That one was a joke, come on.
Others (not _irldn) maybe not but I read that as a definite joke. It's just a bit of banter between frienemies
No it's not. I told then to stop. They carried on.
So they can get lost hiding behind it.
The whole Tufton street, gully tell you that , Briefings for Britain. Instead of attacking the point just insults.
They were told to stop.
They Carried on.
It's pathetic
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"Not exactly sure what this makes me?
Economic Left/Right: -0.25
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -1.74
A centrist clearly (and more centre than me)
Hopefully this doesn’t descend into “how many squares does the centre ground have to cover”
I think centre is the new right.....
And I'm not worried about people trying to score more centre, it is those that are battling it out to be in the left we need to watch out for
It has been a long point interest discussion that modern society has moved so far to the left that centrist ideals are seen as far right. Like controlling immigration.
It has been a long point interest discussion that modern society has moved so far to the right that centrist ideals are seen as far left .
That makes no sense in our political landscape... We are far more tolerant today than we were 30 years ago and those changes have moved our political view points to the left.
I mentioned above that centre is the new right, and that will be from the point of view of people who are left leaning, not left of centre.
You only have to see a social media article on migrant crossings to see how much more ‘tolerant’ we are these days. Or a piece about pride month or trans folk.
As a whole society has moved forwards in 30 years, but I’d argue it’s taken a few steps back in the past decade.
I think it has taken a huge step backwards in the last 12 months caused by radicals and corporate interference.
Indeed, the far-right radicals like Yaxley-Lennon and his ilk have demonstrably increased the xenophobic attacks (literal and otherwise) of migrants and asylum seekers, for example.
And please do not forget the left radicals such as Antifa who are doing as much harm.
Antifa = anti fascist.
Aren’t we all antifa?
Nazi = national socialist.
Let's not do this
Ah, you’ll forgive me a little wind up, it’s Friday.
(But no, I don’t think antifa are as dangerous as the BNP or their offspring groups)
Bit of a weird take.
Given the amount of assaults antifa rallies have carried out
According to recent reports (since 2020) the far right are the fastest growing terror and most prominent threat to the U.K
That report must know more than MI5.
MI5’s Director General recently, who told the media earlier this month that ‘around one in five terrorism investigations in Great Britain were linked to neo-Nazi, racist ideology or other related extremism’, a rate he was reported to have said remained steady.
July 22
https://hansard.parliament.uk/Commons/2021-04-21/debates/82686720-EFBA-42E4-AC96-E843FB3AFABA/PreventionAndSuppressionOfTerrorism
https://isc.independent.gov.uk/wp-content/uploads/2022/07/E02710035-HCP-Extreme-Right-Wing-Terrorism_Accessible.pdf
Right.. what do these 2 links tell us?
I'm not gonna read Lords minutes nor a 137 page document.
Can you point to anything specific?
You see that is why Morley gets so cross with all of us. He most definitely would read all 137 pages and follow the links to all sources to cross check their veracity and data gathering methodologies!
Nope I'd ask as fab and feisty has done .
What specific point of the report backs up my claim.
E.g when reading a legal document on a court case and wanted to simply discuss the judgment. I'd go to the judgement not read the evidence and submissions along with caselaw.
It was a joke
You do need to take yourself less seriously!
Your jokes are just quite vitriolic and boring.
Weren’t you the chap who accused others of “vile lies”. Some perspective may be in order!"
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"Not exactly sure what this makes me?
Economic Left/Right: -0.25
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -1.74
A centrist clearly (and more centre than me)
Hopefully this doesn’t descend into “how many squares does the centre ground have to cover”
I think centre is the new right.....
And I'm not worried about people trying to score more centre, it is those that are battling it out to be in the left we need to watch out for
It has been a long point interest discussion that modern society has moved so far to the left that centrist ideals are seen as far right. Like controlling immigration.
It has been a long point interest discussion that modern society has moved so far to the right that centrist ideals are seen as far left .
That makes no sense in our political landscape... We are far more tolerant today than we were 30 years ago and those changes have moved our political view points to the left.
I mentioned above that centre is the new right, and that will be from the point of view of people who are left leaning, not left of centre.
You only have to see a social media article on migrant crossings to see how much more ‘tolerant’ we are these days. Or a piece about pride month or trans folk.
As a whole society has moved forwards in 30 years, but I’d argue it’s taken a few steps back in the past decade.
I think it has taken a huge step backwards in the last 12 months caused by radicals and corporate interference.
Indeed, the far-right radicals like Yaxley-Lennon and his ilk have demonstrably increased the xenophobic attacks (literal and otherwise) of migrants and asylum seekers, for example.
And please do not forget the left radicals such as Antifa who are doing as much harm.
Antifa = anti fascist.
Aren’t we all antifa?
Nazi = national socialist.
Let's not do this
Ah, you’ll forgive me a little wind up, it’s Friday.
(But no, I don’t think antifa are as dangerous as the BNP or their offspring groups)
Bit of a weird take.
Given the amount of assaults antifa rallies have carried out
According to recent reports (since 2020) the far right are the fastest growing terror and most prominent threat to the U.K
That report must know more than MI5.
MI5’s Director General recently, who told the media earlier this month that ‘around one in five terrorism investigations in Great Britain were linked to neo-Nazi, racist ideology or other related extremism’, a rate he was reported to have said remained steady.
July 22
https://hansard.parliament.uk/Commons/2021-04-21/debates/82686720-EFBA-42E4-AC96-E843FB3AFABA/PreventionAndSuppressionOfTerrorism
https://isc.independent.gov.uk/wp-content/uploads/2022/07/E02710035-HCP-Extreme-Right-Wing-Terrorism_Accessible.pdf
Right.. what do these 2 links tell us?
I'm not gonna read Lords minutes nor a 137 page document.
Can you point to anything specific?
You see that is why Morley gets so cross with all of us. He most definitely would read all 137 pages and follow the links to all sources to cross check their veracity and data gathering methodologies!
Nope I'd ask as fab and feisty has done .
What specific point of the report backs up my claim.
E.g when reading a legal document on a court case and wanted to simply discuss the judgment. I'd go to the judgement not read the evidence and submissions along with caselaw.
It was a joke
You do need to take yourself less seriously!
Your jokes are just quite vitriolic and boring.
Weren’t you the chap who accused others of “vile lies”. Some perspective may be in order!
Also not a fan of accepting he’s in the wrong when someone proves something to him "
Actually I have corrected myself on here before when wrong and am always happy too.
This all from the habitual liar though. |
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"Not exactly sure what this makes me?
Economic Left/Right: -0.25
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -1.74
A centrist clearly (and more centre than me)
Hopefully this doesn’t descend into “how many squares does the centre ground have to cover”
I think centre is the new right.....
And I'm not worried about people trying to score more centre, it is those that are battling it out to be in the left we need to watch out for
It has been a long point interest discussion that modern society has moved so far to the left that centrist ideals are seen as far right. Like controlling immigration.
It has been a long point interest discussion that modern society has moved so far to the right that centrist ideals are seen as far left .
That makes no sense in our political landscape... We are far more tolerant today than we were 30 years ago and those changes have moved our political view points to the left.
I mentioned above that centre is the new right, and that will be from the point of view of people who are left leaning, not left of centre.
You only have to see a social media article on migrant crossings to see how much more ‘tolerant’ we are these days. Or a piece about pride month or trans folk.
As a whole society has moved forwards in 30 years, but I’d argue it’s taken a few steps back in the past decade.
I think it has taken a huge step backwards in the last 12 months caused by radicals and corporate interference.
Indeed, the far-right radicals like Yaxley-Lennon and his ilk have demonstrably increased the xenophobic attacks (literal and otherwise) of migrants and asylum seekers, for example.
And please do not forget the left radicals such as Antifa who are doing as much harm.
Antifa = anti fascist.
Aren’t we all antifa?
Nazi = national socialist.
Let's not do this
Ah, you’ll forgive me a little wind up, it’s Friday.
(But no, I don’t think antifa are as dangerous as the BNP or their offspring groups)
Bit of a weird take.
Given the amount of assaults antifa rallies have carried out
According to recent reports (since 2020) the far right are the fastest growing terror and most prominent threat to the U.K
That report must know more than MI5.
MI5’s Director General recently, who told the media earlier this month that ‘around one in five terrorism investigations in Great Britain were linked to neo-Nazi, racist ideology or other related extremism’, a rate he was reported to have said remained steady.
July 22
https://hansard.parliament.uk/Commons/2021-04-21/debates/82686720-EFBA-42E4-AC96-E843FB3AFABA/PreventionAndSuppressionOfTerrorism
https://isc.independent.gov.uk/wp-content/uploads/2022/07/E02710035-HCP-Extreme-Right-Wing-Terrorism_Accessible.pdf
Right.. what do these 2 links tell us?
I'm not gonna read Lords minutes nor a 137 page document.
Can you point to anything specific?
You see that is why Morley gets so cross with all of us. He most definitely would read all 137 pages and follow the links to all sources to cross check their veracity and data gathering methodologies!
Nope I'd ask as fab and feisty has done .
What specific point of the report backs up my claim.
E.g when reading a legal document on a court case and wanted to simply discuss the judgment. I'd go to the judgement not read the evidence and submissions along with caselaw.
It was a joke
You do need to take yourself less seriously!
Your jokes are just quite vitriolic and boring.
Weren’t you the chap who accused others of “vile lies”. Some perspective may be in order!
Also not a fan of accepting he’s in the wrong when someone proves something to him
Actually I have corrected myself on here before when wrong and am always happy too.
This all from the habitual liar though."
You didn’t give the apology you said you would when I proved who I was, did you?
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over a year ago
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"Economic Left/Right: 2.38
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -1.79
Sorry don’t believe you. In all our discussions you come across as further right than that. I think your self perception has manipulated your answers.
Nope all answered fairly I am afraid. Not coping well with realising g how much of a socialist you are then eh
If you say so!
As NotMe said this is skewed to USA. I am totally comfortable where I am. Roughly where I expected (slightly left of centre).
I just don’t believe yours. It certainly doesn’t align with Tufton St thinking. Interesting though.
I'm not sure what Tufton street thinking is.
Or what you think it is.
It probably isn't what your warped sense of centre beleives
Pro Truss
Pro Boris
Anti EU
Appose climate change and green energy
You tick every box
This is far from comprehensive...
The ideological common-ground of these Tufton St “think tanks” is market fundamentalism. They all believe in slashing public spending and therefore public services, in minimal taxation and in minimal regulation of businesses. Here are a few examples of their suggestions:
* The Adam Smith Institute believes that Britain needs more slums;
* The Centre for Policy Studies has a plan to ‘help’ with the cost-of-living crisis by removing the green levy from energy bills (despite the climate emergency and instead of price caps on energy companies), by reducing standards of childcare to reduce cost and by unilaterally abolishing all import tariffs;
* The Global Warming Policy Foundation claims that ‘Empirical Observation shows no Evidence of “Climate Crisis”’; and
* The Institute for Economic Affairs wants to abolish the NHS;
* The Taxpayers Alliance called for benefits to pensioners to be slashed because “some of the people… won’t be around to vote against you in the next election [and the rest] might have forgotten by then.”
I was literally just on your side and then you post this.
I'm not sure I've ever seen these statements from Morleys posts.
And down the rabbit hole birldan goes.
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"I dont continually try and mock some 1 under the pretence of a "joke" if I want to mock i'll mock.
But I won't sugar coat it as a joke so I look less of a cunt.
You can stop with the "it was a joke" posts when you come across a knob
That one was a joke, come on.
Others (not _irldn) maybe not but I read that as a definite joke. It's just a bit of banter between frienemies
No it's not. I told then to stop. They carried on.
So they can get lost hiding behind it.
The whole Tufton street, gully tell you that , Briefings for Britain. Instead of attacking the point just insults.
They were told to stop.
They Carried on.
It's pathetic
Tbh, if it is really upsetting you then I will stop "
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"I dont continually try and mock some 1 under the pretence of a "joke" if I want to mock i'll mock.
But I won't sugar coat it as a joke so I look less of a cunt.
You can stop with the "it was a joke" posts when you come across a knob
That one was a joke, come on.
Others (not _irldn) maybe not but I read that as a definite joke. It's just a bit of banter between frienemies
No it's not. I told then to stop. They carried on.
So they can get lost hiding behind it.
The whole Tufton street, gully tell you that , Briefings for Britain. Instead of attacking the point just insults.
They were told to stop.
They Carried on.
It's pathetic
Tbh, if it is really upsetting you then I will stop
Your can carry on doing it. It'd more the pretense of the "joke""
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By *irldnCouple
over a year ago
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"Economic Left/Right: 2.38
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -1.79
Sorry don’t believe you. In all our discussions you come across as further right than that. I think your self perception has manipulated your answers.
Nope all answered fairly I am afraid. Not coping well with realising g how much of a socialist you are then eh
If you say so!
As NotMe said this is skewed to USA. I am totally comfortable where I am. Roughly where I expected (slightly left of centre).
I just don’t believe yours. It certainly doesn’t align with Tufton St thinking. Interesting though.
I'm not sure what Tufton street thinking is.
Or what you think it is.
It probably isn't what your warped sense of centre beleives
Pro Truss
Pro Boris
Anti EU
Appose climate change and green energy
You tick every box
This is far from comprehensive...
The ideological common-ground of these Tufton St “think tanks” is market fundamentalism. They all believe in slashing public spending and therefore public services, in minimal taxation and in minimal regulation of businesses. Here are a few examples of their suggestions:
* The Adam Smith Institute believes that Britain needs more slums;
* The Centre for Policy Studies has a plan to ‘help’ with the cost-of-living crisis by removing the green levy from energy bills (despite the climate emergency and instead of price caps on energy companies), by reducing standards of childcare to reduce cost and by unilaterally abolishing all import tariffs;
* The Global Warming Policy Foundation claims that ‘Empirical Observation shows no Evidence of “Climate Crisis”’; and
* The Institute for Economic Affairs wants to abolish the NHS;
* The Taxpayers Alliance called for benefits to pensioners to be slashed because “some of the people… won’t be around to vote against you in the next election [and the rest] might have forgotten by then.”
I was literally just on your side and then you post this.
I'm not sure I've ever seen these statements from Morleys posts."
I am not saying Morley has directly said any of these things. But the narrative from these organisations (which is far wider reaching) has definite correlation with what Morley does post (and I therefore assume he believes). I don’t believe that is coincidence. |
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"Not exactly sure what this makes me?
Economic Left/Right: -0.25
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -1.74
A centrist clearly (and more centre than me)
Hopefully this doesn’t descend into “how many squares does the centre ground have to cover”
I think centre is the new right.....
And I'm not worried about people trying to score more centre, it is those that are battling it out to be in the left we need to watch out for
It has been a long point interest discussion that modern society has moved so far to the left that centrist ideals are seen as far right. Like controlling immigration.
It has been a long point interest discussion that modern society has moved so far to the right that centrist ideals are seen as far left .
That makes no sense in our political landscape... We are far more tolerant today than we were 30 years ago and those changes have moved our political view points to the left.
I mentioned above that centre is the new right, and that will be from the point of view of people who are left leaning, not left of centre.
You only have to see a social media article on migrant crossings to see how much more ‘tolerant’ we are these days. Or a piece about pride month or trans folk.
As a whole society has moved forwards in 30 years, but I’d argue it’s taken a few steps back in the past decade.
I think it has taken a huge step backwards in the last 12 months caused by radicals and corporate interference.
Indeed, the far-right radicals like Yaxley-Lennon and his ilk have demonstrably increased the xenophobic attacks (literal and otherwise) of migrants and asylum seekers, for example.
And please do not forget the left radicals such as Antifa who are doing as much harm.
Antifa = anti fascist.
Aren’t we all antifa?
Nazi = national socialist.
Let's not do this
Ah, you’ll forgive me a little wind up, it’s Friday.
(But no, I don’t think antifa are as dangerous as the BNP or their offspring groups)
Bit of a weird take.
Given the amount of assaults antifa rallies have carried out
According to recent reports (since 2020) the far right are the fastest growing terror and most prominent threat to the U.K
That report must know more than MI5.
MI5’s Director General recently, who told the media earlier this month that ‘around one in five terrorism investigations in Great Britain were linked to neo-Nazi, racist ideology or other related extremism’, a rate he was reported to have said remained steady.
July 22
https://hansard.parliament.uk/Commons/2021-04-21/debates/82686720-EFBA-42E4-AC96-E843FB3AFABA/PreventionAndSuppressionOfTerrorism
https://isc.independent.gov.uk/wp-content/uploads/2022/07/E02710035-HCP-Extreme-Right-Wing-Terrorism_Accessible.pdf
Right.. what do these 2 links tell us?
I'm not gonna read Lords minutes nor a 137 page document.
Can you point to anything specific?
You see that is why Morley gets so cross with all of us. He most definitely would read all 137 pages and follow the links to all sources to cross check their veracity and data gathering methodologies!
Nope I'd ask as fab and feisty has done .
What specific point of the report backs up my claim.
E.g when reading a legal document on a court case and wanted to simply discuss the judgment. I'd go to the judgement not read the evidence and submissions along with caselaw.
It was a joke
You do need to take yourself less seriously!
Your jokes are just quite vitriolic and boring.
Weren’t you the chap who accused others of “vile lies”. Some perspective may be in order!
Also not a fan of accepting he’s in the wrong when someone proves something to him
Actually I have corrected myself on here before when wrong and am always happy too.
This all from the habitual liar though.
You didn’t give the apology you said you would when I proved who I was, did you?
Like I said - I’ve met your type a million times, mucker. "
You provided a railways drivers license.
That's it.
No proof of your brother. How can I verify they are your brother?
No proof of the reporter. Simply something I could make up.
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Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -1.79
Sorry don’t believe you. In all our discussions you come across as further right than that. I think your self perception has manipulated your answers.
Nope all answered fairly I am afraid. Not coping well with realising g how much of a socialist you are then eh
If you say so!
As NotMe said this is skewed to USA. I am totally comfortable where I am. Roughly where I expected (slightly left of centre).
I just don’t believe yours. It certainly doesn’t align with Tufton St thinking. Interesting though.
I'm not sure what Tufton street thinking is.
Or what you think it is.
It probably isn't what your warped sense of centre beleives
Pro Truss
Pro Boris
Anti EU
Appose climate change and green energy
You tick every box
This is far from comprehensive...
The ideological common-ground of these Tufton St “think tanks” is market fundamentalism. They all believe in slashing public spending and therefore public services, in minimal taxation and in minimal regulation of businesses. Here are a few examples of their suggestions:
* The Adam Smith Institute believes that Britain needs more slums;
* The Centre for Policy Studies has a plan to ‘help’ with the cost-of-living crisis by removing the green levy from energy bills (despite the climate emergency and instead of price caps on energy companies), by reducing standards of childcare to reduce cost and by unilaterally abolishing all import tariffs;
* The Global Warming Policy Foundation claims that ‘Empirical Observation shows no Evidence of “Climate Crisis”’; and
* The Institute for Economic Affairs wants to abolish the NHS;
* The Taxpayers Alliance called for benefits to pensioners to be slashed because “some of the people… won’t be around to vote against you in the next election [and the rest] might have forgotten by then.”
I was literally just on your side and then you post this.
I'm not sure I've ever seen these statements from Morleys posts.
I am not saying Morley has directly said any of these things. But the narrative from these organisations (which is far wider reaching) has definite correlation with what Morley does post (and I therefore assume he believes). I don’t believe that is coincidence."
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By *irldnCouple
over a year ago
Brighton |
"Not exactly sure what this makes me?
Economic Left/Right: -0.25
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -1.74
A centrist clearly (and more centre than me)
Hopefully this doesn’t descend into “how many squares does the centre ground have to cover”
I think centre is the new right.....
And I'm not worried about people trying to score more centre, it is those that are battling it out to be in the left we need to watch out for
It has been a long point interest discussion that modern society has moved so far to the left that centrist ideals are seen as far right. Like controlling immigration.
It has been a long point interest discussion that modern society has moved so far to the right that centrist ideals are seen as far left .
That makes no sense in our political landscape... We are far more tolerant today than we were 30 years ago and those changes have moved our political view points to the left.
I mentioned above that centre is the new right, and that will be from the point of view of people who are left leaning, not left of centre.
You only have to see a social media article on migrant crossings to see how much more ‘tolerant’ we are these days. Or a piece about pride month or trans folk.
As a whole society has moved forwards in 30 years, but I’d argue it’s taken a few steps back in the past decade.
I think it has taken a huge step backwards in the last 12 months caused by radicals and corporate interference.
Indeed, the far-right radicals like Yaxley-Lennon and his ilk have demonstrably increased the xenophobic attacks (literal and otherwise) of migrants and asylum seekers, for example.
And please do not forget the left radicals such as Antifa who are doing as much harm.
Antifa = anti fascist.
Aren’t we all antifa?
Nazi = national socialist.
Let's not do this
Ah, you’ll forgive me a little wind up, it’s Friday.
(But no, I don’t think antifa are as dangerous as the BNP or their offspring groups)
Bit of a weird take.
Given the amount of assaults antifa rallies have carried out
According to recent reports (since 2020) the far right are the fastest growing terror and most prominent threat to the U.K
That report must know more than MI5.
MI5’s Director General recently, who told the media earlier this month that ‘around one in five terrorism investigations in Great Britain were linked to neo-Nazi, racist ideology or other related extremism’, a rate he was reported to have said remained steady.
July 22
https://hansard.parliament.uk/Commons/2021-04-21/debates/82686720-EFBA-42E4-AC96-E843FB3AFABA/PreventionAndSuppressionOfTerrorism
https://isc.independent.gov.uk/wp-content/uploads/2022/07/E02710035-HCP-Extreme-Right-Wing-Terrorism_Accessible.pdf
Right.. what do these 2 links tell us?
I'm not gonna read Lords minutes nor a 137 page document.
Can you point to anything specific?
You see that is why Morley gets so cross with all of us. He most definitely would read all 137 pages and follow the links to all sources to cross check their veracity and data gathering methodologies!
Nope I'd ask as fab and feisty has done .
What specific point of the report backs up my claim.
E.g when reading a legal document on a court case and wanted to simply discuss the judgment. I'd go to the judgement not read the evidence and submissions along with caselaw.
It was a joke
You do need to take yourself less seriously!
Your jokes are just quite vitriolic and boring.
Weren’t you the chap who accused others of “vile lies”. Some perspective may be in order!
They were vile lies.
P E R S P E C T I V E
A “vile” lie could be assigned to calling someone a kiddie fiddler or wife beater! It hardly applies to someone accusing you of copying someone’s tweets and such like!
I'll call lies about me vile and accusations thank you."
Hmmm we see things very differently here. I place very little stock or credence in these chats on a swinger website. They have no bearing on me personally or professionally so I assume others are also less precious.
I have repeatedly acknowledged that there are areas where I know you know more than me. I have even defended that knowledge against some other regular poster.
However, I can see that this is getting to you so I am going to say sorry. I really thought it was pub banter/bloke banter and was basically dishing it out to you because you regularly dish it out yourself. But it appears to be actually upsetting you so I am sorry.
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"Economic Left/Right: 2.38
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -1.79
Sorry don’t believe you. In all our discussions you come across as further right than that. I think your self perception has manipulated your answers.
Nope all answered fairly I am afraid. Not coping well with realising g how much of a socialist you are then eh
If you say so!
As NotMe said this is skewed to USA. I am totally comfortable where I am. Roughly where I expected (slightly left of centre).
I just don’t believe yours. It certainly doesn’t align with Tufton St thinking. Interesting though.
I'm not sure what Tufton street thinking is.
Or what you think it is.
It probably isn't what your warped sense of centre beleives
Pro Truss
Pro Boris
Anti EU
Appose climate change and green energy
You tick every box
This is far from comprehensive...
The ideological common-ground of these Tufton St “think tanks” is market fundamentalism. They all believe in slashing public spending and therefore public services, in minimal taxation and in minimal regulation of businesses. Here are a few examples of their suggestions:
* The Adam Smith Institute believes that Britain needs more slums;
* The Centre for Policy Studies has a plan to ‘help’ with the cost-of-living crisis by removing the green levy from energy bills (despite the climate emergency and instead of price caps on energy companies), by reducing standards of childcare to reduce cost and by unilaterally abolishing all import tariffs;
* The Global Warming Policy Foundation claims that ‘Empirical Observation shows no Evidence of “Climate Crisis”’; and
* The Institute for Economic Affairs wants to abolish the NHS;
* The Taxpayers Alliance called for benefits to pensioners to be slashed because “some of the people… won’t be around to vote against you in the next election [and the rest] might have forgotten by then.”
I was literally just on your side and then you post this.
I'm not sure I've ever seen these statements from Morleys posts.
I am not saying Morley has directly said any of these things. But the narrative from these organisations (which is far wider reaching) has definite correlation with what Morley does post (and I therefore assume he believes). I don’t believe that is coincidence."
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By *irldnCouple
over a year ago
Brighton |
"Economic Left/Right: 2.38
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -1.79
Sorry don’t believe you. In all our discussions you come across as further right than that. I think your self perception has manipulated your answers.
Nope all answered fairly I am afraid. Not coping well with realising g how much of a socialist you are then eh
If you say so!
As NotMe said this is skewed to USA. I am totally comfortable where I am. Roughly where I expected (slightly left of centre).
I just don’t believe yours. It certainly doesn’t align with Tufton St thinking. Interesting though.
I'm not sure what Tufton street thinking is.
Or what you think it is.
It probably isn't what your warped sense of centre beleives
Pro Truss
Pro Boris
Anti EU
Appose climate change and green energy
You tick every box
This is far from comprehensive...
The ideological common-ground of these Tufton St “think tanks” is market fundamentalism. They all believe in slashing public spending and therefore public services, in minimal taxation and in minimal regulation of businesses. Here are a few examples of their suggestions:
* The Adam Smith Institute believes that Britain needs more slums;
* The Centre for Policy Studies has a plan to ‘help’ with the cost-of-living crisis by removing the green levy from energy bills (despite the climate emergency and instead of price caps on energy companies), by reducing standards of childcare to reduce cost and by unilaterally abolishing all import tariffs;
* The Global Warming Policy Foundation claims that ‘Empirical Observation shows no Evidence of “Climate Crisis”’; and
* The Institute for Economic Affairs wants to abolish the NHS;
* The Taxpayers Alliance called for benefits to pensioners to be slashed because “some of the people… won’t be around to vote against you in the next election [and the rest] might have forgotten by then.”
I was literally just on your side and then you post this.
I'm not sure I've ever seen these statements from Morleys posts.
I am not saying Morley has directly said any of these things. But the narrative from these organisations (which is far wider reaching) has definite correlation with what Morley does post (and I therefore assume he believes). I don’t believe that is coincidence.
Could it be because...we share the same economic ideals. The same I learned at A level?"
That will be A reason but it will also reflect you own bias and be informed by the company you keep. You are certainly in a pro-Truss Tufton St echo chamber and I believe you are not therefore objective or open to other ideas. I am not saying you are wrong or right but you have continually rubbed people the wrong way with your style. More than everyone barring one I would say this past few months. |
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"Not exactly sure what this makes me?
Economic Left/Right: -0.25
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -1.74
A centrist clearly (and more centre than me)
Hopefully this doesn’t descend into “how many squares does the centre ground have to cover”
I think centre is the new right.....
And I'm not worried about people trying to score more centre, it is those that are battling it out to be in the left we need to watch out for
It has been a long point interest discussion that modern society has moved so far to the left that centrist ideals are seen as far right. Like controlling immigration.
It has been a long point interest discussion that modern society has moved so far to the right that centrist ideals are seen as far left .
That makes no sense in our political landscape... We are far more tolerant today than we were 30 years ago and those changes have moved our political view points to the left.
I mentioned above that centre is the new right, and that will be from the point of view of people who are left leaning, not left of centre.
You only have to see a social media article on migrant crossings to see how much more ‘tolerant’ we are these days. Or a piece about pride month or trans folk.
As a whole society has moved forwards in 30 years, but I’d argue it’s taken a few steps back in the past decade.
I think it has taken a huge step backwards in the last 12 months caused by radicals and corporate interference.
Indeed, the far-right radicals like Yaxley-Lennon and his ilk have demonstrably increased the xenophobic attacks (literal and otherwise) of migrants and asylum seekers, for example.
And please do not forget the left radicals such as Antifa who are doing as much harm.
Antifa = anti fascist.
Aren’t we all antifa?
Nazi = national socialist.
Let's not do this
Ah, you’ll forgive me a little wind up, it’s Friday.
(But no, I don’t think antifa are as dangerous as the BNP or their offspring groups)
Bit of a weird take.
Given the amount of assaults antifa rallies have carried out
According to recent reports (since 2020) the far right are the fastest growing terror and most prominent threat to the U.K
That report must know more than MI5.
MI5’s Director General recently, who told the media earlier this month that ‘around one in five terrorism investigations in Great Britain were linked to neo-Nazi, racist ideology or other related extremism’, a rate he was reported to have said remained steady.
July 22
https://hansard.parliament.uk/Commons/2021-04-21/debates/82686720-EFBA-42E4-AC96-E843FB3AFABA/PreventionAndSuppressionOfTerrorism
https://isc.independent.gov.uk/wp-content/uploads/2022/07/E02710035-HCP-Extreme-Right-Wing-Terrorism_Accessible.pdf
Right.. what do these 2 links tell us?
I'm not gonna read Lords minutes nor a 137 page document.
Can you point to anything specific?
You see that is why Morley gets so cross with all of us. He most definitely would read all 137 pages and follow the links to all sources to cross check their veracity and data gathering methodologies!
Nope I'd ask as fab and feisty has done .
What specific point of the report backs up my claim.
E.g when reading a legal document on a court case and wanted to simply discuss the judgment. I'd go to the judgement not read the evidence and submissions along with caselaw.
It was a joke
You do need to take yourself less seriously!
Your jokes are just quite vitriolic and boring.
Weren’t you the chap who accused others of “vile lies”. Some perspective may be in order!
Also not a fan of accepting he’s in the wrong when someone proves something to him
Actually I have corrected myself on here before when wrong and am always happy too.
This all from the habitual liar though.
You didn’t give the apology you said you would when I proved who I was, did you?
Like I said - I’ve met your type a million times, mucker.
You provided a railways drivers license.
That's it.
No proof of your brother. How can I verify they are your brother?
No proof of the reporter. Simply something I could make up.
"
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By *irldnCouple
over a year ago
Brighton |
"Economic Left/Right: 2.38
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -1.79
Sorry don’t believe you. In all our discussions you come across as further right than that. I think your self perception has manipulated your answers.
Nope all answered fairly I am afraid. Not coping well with realising g how much of a socialist you are then eh
If you say so!
As NotMe said this is skewed to USA. I am totally comfortable where I am. Roughly where I expected (slightly left of centre).
I just don’t believe yours. It certainly doesn’t align with Tufton St thinking. Interesting though.
I'm not sure what Tufton street thinking is.
Or what you think it is.
It probably isn't what your warped sense of centre beleives
Pro Truss
Pro Boris
Anti EU
Appose climate change and green energy
You tick every box
This is far from comprehensive...
The ideological common-ground of these Tufton St “think tanks” is market fundamentalism. They all believe in slashing public spending and therefore public services, in minimal taxation and in minimal regulation of businesses. Here are a few examples of their suggestions:
* The Adam Smith Institute believes that Britain needs more slums;
* The Centre for Policy Studies has a plan to ‘help’ with the cost-of-living crisis by removing the green levy from energy bills (despite the climate emergency and instead of price caps on energy companies), by reducing standards of childcare to reduce cost and by unilaterally abolishing all import tariffs;
* The Global Warming Policy Foundation claims that ‘Empirical Observation shows no Evidence of “Climate Crisis”’; and
* The Institute for Economic Affairs wants to abolish the NHS;
* The Taxpayers Alliance called for benefits to pensioners to be slashed because “some of the people… won’t be around to vote against you in the next election [and the rest] might have forgotten by then.”
I was literally just on your side and then you post this.
I'm not sure I've ever seen these statements from Morleys posts.
I am not saying Morley has directly said any of these things. But the narrative from these organisations (which is far wider reaching) has definite correlation with what Morley does post (and I therefore assume he believes). I don’t believe that is coincidence.
That's like saying you voted a certain way some agree with every single policy of said party. We all know that's ludicrous"
But the issue, for me, is Tufton St. They are funded by dark money and lobby on behalf of climate change deniers, oil/gas companies, tobacco companies etc. |
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"Not exactly sure what this makes me?
Economic Left/Right: -0.25
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -1.74
A centrist clearly (and more centre than me)
Hopefully this doesn’t descend into “how many squares does the centre ground have to cover”
I think centre is the new right.....
And I'm not worried about people trying to score more centre, it is those that are battling it out to be in the left we need to watch out for
It has been a long point interest discussion that modern society has moved so far to the left that centrist ideals are seen as far right. Like controlling immigration.
It has been a long point interest discussion that modern society has moved so far to the right that centrist ideals are seen as far left .
That makes no sense in our political landscape... We are far more tolerant today than we were 30 years ago and those changes have moved our political view points to the left.
I mentioned above that centre is the new right, and that will be from the point of view of people who are left leaning, not left of centre.
You only have to see a social media article on migrant crossings to see how much more ‘tolerant’ we are these days. Or a piece about pride month or trans folk.
As a whole society has moved forwards in 30 years, but I’d argue it’s taken a few steps back in the past decade.
I think it has taken a huge step backwards in the last 12 months caused by radicals and corporate interference.
Indeed, the far-right radicals like Yaxley-Lennon and his ilk have demonstrably increased the xenophobic attacks (literal and otherwise) of migrants and asylum seekers, for example.
And please do not forget the left radicals such as Antifa who are doing as much harm.
Antifa = anti fascist.
Aren’t we all antifa?
Nazi = national socialist.
Let's not do this
Ah, you’ll forgive me a little wind up, it’s Friday.
(But no, I don’t think antifa are as dangerous as the BNP or their offspring groups)
Bit of a weird take.
Given the amount of assaults antifa rallies have carried out
According to recent reports (since 2020) the far right are the fastest growing terror and most prominent threat to the U.K
That report must know more than MI5.
MI5’s Director General recently, who told the media earlier this month that ‘around one in five terrorism investigations in Great Britain were linked to neo-Nazi, racist ideology or other related extremism’, a rate he was reported to have said remained steady.
July 22
https://hansard.parliament.uk/Commons/2021-04-21/debates/82686720-EFBA-42E4-AC96-E843FB3AFABA/PreventionAndSuppressionOfTerrorism
https://isc.independent.gov.uk/wp-content/uploads/2022/07/E02710035-HCP-Extreme-Right-Wing-Terrorism_Accessible.pdf
Right.. what do these 2 links tell us?
I'm not gonna read Lords minutes nor a 137 page document.
Can you point to anything specific?
You see that is why Morley gets so cross with all of us. He most definitely would read all 137 pages and follow the links to all sources to cross check their veracity and data gathering methodologies!
Nope I'd ask as fab and feisty has done .
What specific point of the report backs up my claim.
E.g when reading a legal document on a court case and wanted to simply discuss the judgment. I'd go to the judgement not read the evidence and submissions along with caselaw.
It was a joke
You do need to take yourself less seriously!
Your jokes are just quite vitriolic and boring.
Weren’t you the chap who accused others of “vile lies”. Some perspective may be in order!
They were vile lies.
P E R S P E C T I V E
A “vile” lie could be assigned to calling someone a kiddie fiddler or wife beater! It hardly applies to someone accusing you of copying someone’s tweets and such like!
I'll call lies about me vile and accusations thank you.
Hmmm we see things very differently here. I place very little stock or credence in these chats on a swinger website. They have no bearing on me personally or professionally so I assume others are also less precious.
I have repeatedly acknowledged that there are areas where I know you know more than me. I have even defended that knowledge against some other regular poster.
However, I can see that this is getting to you so I am going to say sorry. I really thought it was pub banter/bloke banter and was basically dishing it out to you because you regularly dish it out yourself. But it appears to be actually upsetting you so I am sorry.
If we ever bump into you at a swingers club I will buy you a beer! "
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over a year ago
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"Economic Left/Right: 2.38
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -1.79
Sorry don’t believe you. In all our discussions you come across as further right than that. I think your self perception has manipulated your answers.
Nope all answered fairly I am afraid. Not coping well with realising g how much of a socialist you are then eh
If you say so!
As NotMe said this is skewed to USA. I am totally comfortable where I am. Roughly where I expected (slightly left of centre).
I just don’t believe yours. It certainly doesn’t align with Tufton St thinking. Interesting though.
I'm not sure what Tufton street thinking is.
Or what you think it is.
It probably isn't what your warped sense of centre beleives
Pro Truss
Pro Boris
Anti EU
Appose climate change and green energy
You tick every box
This is far from comprehensive...
The ideological common-ground of these Tufton St “think tanks” is market fundamentalism. They all believe in slashing public spending and therefore public services, in minimal taxation and in minimal regulation of businesses. Here are a few examples of their suggestions:
* The Adam Smith Institute believes that Britain needs more slums;
* The Centre for Policy Studies has a plan to ‘help’ with the cost-of-living crisis by removing the green levy from energy bills (despite the climate emergency and instead of price caps on energy companies), by reducing standards of childcare to reduce cost and by unilaterally abolishing all import tariffs;
* The Global Warming Policy Foundation claims that ‘Empirical Observation shows no Evidence of “Climate Crisis”’; and
* The Institute for Economic Affairs wants to abolish the NHS;
* The Taxpayers Alliance called for benefits to pensioners to be slashed because “some of the people… won’t be around to vote against you in the next election [and the rest] might have forgotten by then.”
I was literally just on your side and then you post this.
I'm not sure I've ever seen these statements from Morleys posts.
I am not saying Morley has directly said any of these things. But the narrative from these organisations (which is far wider reaching) has definite correlation with what Morley does post (and I therefore assume he believes). I don’t believe that is coincidence.
That's like saying you voted a certain way some agree with every single policy of said party. We all know that's ludicrous
But the issue, for me, is Tufton St. They are funded by dark money and lobby on behalf of climate change deniers, oil/gas companies, tobacco companies etc."
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By *irldnCouple
over a year ago
Brighton |
"Not exactly sure what this makes me?
Economic Left/Right: -0.25
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -1.74
A centrist clearly (and more centre than me)
Hopefully this doesn’t descend into “how many squares does the centre ground have to cover”
I think centre is the new right.....
And I'm not worried about people trying to score more centre, it is those that are battling it out to be in the left we need to watch out for
It has been a long point interest discussion that modern society has moved so far to the left that centrist ideals are seen as far right. Like controlling immigration.
It has been a long point interest discussion that modern society has moved so far to the right that centrist ideals are seen as far left .
That makes no sense in our political landscape... We are far more tolerant today than we were 30 years ago and those changes have moved our political view points to the left.
I mentioned above that centre is the new right, and that will be from the point of view of people who are left leaning, not left of centre.
You only have to see a social media article on migrant crossings to see how much more ‘tolerant’ we are these days. Or a piece about pride month or trans folk.
As a whole society has moved forwards in 30 years, but I’d argue it’s taken a few steps back in the past decade.
I think it has taken a huge step backwards in the last 12 months caused by radicals and corporate interference.
Indeed, the far-right radicals like Yaxley-Lennon and his ilk have demonstrably increased the xenophobic attacks (literal and otherwise) of migrants and asylum seekers, for example.
And please do not forget the left radicals such as Antifa who are doing as much harm.
Antifa = anti fascist.
Aren’t we all antifa?
Nazi = national socialist.
Let's not do this
Ah, you’ll forgive me a little wind up, it’s Friday.
(But no, I don’t think antifa are as dangerous as the BNP or their offspring groups)
Bit of a weird take.
Given the amount of assaults antifa rallies have carried out
According to recent reports (since 2020) the far right are the fastest growing terror and most prominent threat to the U.K
That report must know more than MI5.
MI5’s Director General recently, who told the media earlier this month that ‘around one in five terrorism investigations in Great Britain were linked to neo-Nazi, racist ideology or other related extremism’, a rate he was reported to have said remained steady.
July 22
https://hansard.parliament.uk/Commons/2021-04-21/debates/82686720-EFBA-42E4-AC96-E843FB3AFABA/PreventionAndSuppressionOfTerrorism
https://isc.independent.gov.uk/wp-content/uploads/2022/07/E02710035-HCP-Extreme-Right-Wing-Terrorism_Accessible.pdf
Right.. what do these 2 links tell us?
I'm not gonna read Lords minutes nor a 137 page document.
Can you point to anything specific?
You see that is why Morley gets so cross with all of us. He most definitely would read all 137 pages and follow the links to all sources to cross check their veracity and data gathering methodologies!
Nope I'd ask as fab and feisty has done .
What specific point of the report backs up my claim.
E.g when reading a legal document on a court case and wanted to simply discuss the judgment. I'd go to the judgement not read the evidence and submissions along with caselaw.
It was a joke
You do need to take yourself less seriously!
Your jokes are just quite vitriolic and boring.
Weren’t you the chap who accused others of “vile lies”. Some perspective may be in order!
They were vile lies.
P E R S P E C T I V E
A “vile” lie could be assigned to calling someone a kiddie fiddler or wife beater! It hardly applies to someone accusing you of copying someone’s tweets and such like!
I'll call lies about me vile and accusations thank you.
Hmmm we see things very differently here. I place very little stock or credence in these chats on a swinger website. They have no bearing on me personally or professionally so I assume others are also less precious.
I have repeatedly acknowledged that there are areas where I know you know more than me. I have even defended that knowledge against some other regular poster.
However, I can see that this is getting to you so I am going to say sorry. I really thought it was pub banter/bloke banter and was basically dishing it out to you because you regularly dish it out yourself. But it appears to be actually upsetting you so I am sorry.
If we ever bump into you at a swingers club I will buy you a beer!
You didnt. You were told to stop hiding behind " it was a joke" that's cowardly. Call a spade a spade. But I am done woth you pretending you're joking."
Who “told” me? Did you mean “ask” because I don’t get told what to do thanks.
There you go. I apologised if I am upsetting you but you won’t accept it. What is it you always accuse people of? Oh yeah “grow up” or “be an adult”. You really do take yourself too seriously!
I would get it if this was a professional setting but it most certainly isn’t! Do you not see the absurdity of all the people posting in this politics section with avatars showing their cocks, pussies, tits, and asses! Do you really take all this THAT seriously |
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"Economic Left/Right: 2.38
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -1.79
Sorry don’t believe you. In all our discussions you come across as further right than that. I think your self perception has manipulated your answers.
Nope all answered fairly I am afraid. Not coping well with realising g how much of a socialist you are then eh
If you say so!
As NotMe said this is skewed to USA. I am totally comfortable where I am. Roughly where I expected (slightly left of centre).
I just don’t believe yours. It certainly doesn’t align with Tufton St thinking. Interesting though.
I'm not sure what Tufton street thinking is.
Or what you think it is.
It probably isn't what your warped sense of centre beleives
Pro Truss
Pro Boris
Anti EU
Appose climate change and green energy
You tick every box
This is far from comprehensive...
The ideological common-ground of these Tufton St “think tanks” is market fundamentalism. They all believe in slashing public spending and therefore public services, in minimal taxation and in minimal regulation of businesses. Here are a few examples of their suggestions:
* The Adam Smith Institute believes that Britain needs more slums;
* The Centre for Policy Studies has a plan to ‘help’ with the cost-of-living crisis by removing the green levy from energy bills (despite the climate emergency and instead of price caps on energy companies), by reducing standards of childcare to reduce cost and by unilaterally abolishing all import tariffs;
* The Global Warming Policy Foundation claims that ‘Empirical Observation shows no Evidence of “Climate Crisis”’; and
* The Institute for Economic Affairs wants to abolish the NHS;
* The Taxpayers Alliance called for benefits to pensioners to be slashed because “some of the people… won’t be around to vote against you in the next election [and the rest] might have forgotten by then.”
I was literally just on your side and then you post this.
I'm not sure I've ever seen these statements from Morleys posts.
I am not saying Morley has directly said any of these things. But the narrative from these organisations (which is far wider reaching) has definite correlation with what Morley does post (and I therefore assume he believes). I don’t believe that is coincidence.
That's like saying you voted a certain way some agree with every single policy of said party. We all know that's ludicrous
But the issue, for me, is Tufton St. They are funded by dark money and lobby on behalf of climate change deniers, oil/gas companies, tobacco companies etc."
As do politicians |
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By *irldnCouple
over a year ago
Brighton |
"Economic Left/Right: 2.38
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -1.79
Sorry don’t believe you. In all our discussions you come across as further right than that. I think your self perception has manipulated your answers.
Nope all answered fairly I am afraid. Not coping well with realising g how much of a socialist you are then eh
If you say so!
As NotMe said this is skewed to USA. I am totally comfortable where I am. Roughly where I expected (slightly left of centre).
I just don’t believe yours. It certainly doesn’t align with Tufton St thinking. Interesting though.
I'm not sure what Tufton street thinking is.
Or what you think it is.
It probably isn't what your warped sense of centre beleives
Pro Truss
Pro Boris
Anti EU
Appose climate change and green energy
You tick every box
This is far from comprehensive...
The ideological common-ground of these Tufton St “think tanks” is market fundamentalism. They all believe in slashing public spending and therefore public services, in minimal taxation and in minimal regulation of businesses. Here are a few examples of their suggestions:
* The Adam Smith Institute believes that Britain needs more slums;
* The Centre for Policy Studies has a plan to ‘help’ with the cost-of-living crisis by removing the green levy from energy bills (despite the climate emergency and instead of price caps on energy companies), by reducing standards of childcare to reduce cost and by unilaterally abolishing all import tariffs;
* The Global Warming Policy Foundation claims that ‘Empirical Observation shows no Evidence of “Climate Crisis”’; and
* The Institute for Economic Affairs wants to abolish the NHS;
* The Taxpayers Alliance called for benefits to pensioners to be slashed because “some of the people… won’t be around to vote against you in the next election [and the rest] might have forgotten by then.”
I was literally just on your side and then you post this.
I'm not sure I've ever seen these statements from Morleys posts.
I am not saying Morley has directly said any of these things. But the narrative from these organisations (which is far wider reaching) has definite correlation with what Morley does post (and I therefore assume he believes). I don’t believe that is coincidence.
That's like saying you voted a certain way some agree with every single policy of said party. We all know that's ludicrous
But the issue, for me, is Tufton St. They are funded by dark money and lobby on behalf of climate change deniers, oil/gas companies, tobacco companies etc.
As do politicians "
Political parties publish manifestos, are supposed to be transparent on their funding, and get elected by us. The Tufton St “think tanks” do not. They actively hide their associations. |
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By *rHotNottsMan
over a year ago
Dubai & Nottingham |
Libertarian left is very popular, it’s a lovely little fairytale you don’t want the governments to have any rules or boss you around , but you want them to collect all the money from the rich people to make everything nice for you.
On the other hand libertarian right , Farage, Mogg etc makes sense, no rules , no tax, no NHS. |
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"Not exactly sure what this makes me?
Economic Left/Right: -0.25
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -1.74
A centrist clearly (and more centre than me)
Hopefully this doesn’t descend into “how many squares does the centre ground have to cover”
I think centre is the new right.....
And I'm not worried about people trying to score more centre, it is those that are battling it out to be in the left we need to watch out for
It has been a long point interest discussion that modern society has moved so far to the left that centrist ideals are seen as far right. Like controlling immigration.
It has been a long point interest discussion that modern society has moved so far to the right that centrist ideals are seen as far left .
That makes no sense in our political landscape... We are far more tolerant today than we were 30 years ago and those changes have moved our political view points to the left.
I mentioned above that centre is the new right, and that will be from the point of view of people who are left leaning, not left of centre.
You only have to see a social media article on migrant crossings to see how much more ‘tolerant’ we are these days. Or a piece about pride month or trans folk.
As a whole society has moved forwards in 30 years, but I’d argue it’s taken a few steps back in the past decade.
I think it has taken a huge step backwards in the last 12 months caused by radicals and corporate interference.
Indeed, the far-right radicals like Yaxley-Lennon and his ilk have demonstrably increased the xenophobic attacks (literal and otherwise) of migrants and asylum seekers, for example.
And please do not forget the left radicals such as Antifa who are doing as much harm.
Antifa = anti fascist.
Aren’t we all antifa?
Nazi = national socialist.
Let's not do this
Ah, you’ll forgive me a little wind up, it’s Friday.
(But no, I don’t think antifa are as dangerous as the BNP or their offspring groups)
Bit of a weird take.
Given the amount of assaults antifa rallies have carried out
According to recent reports (since 2020) the far right are the fastest growing terror and most prominent threat to the U.K
That report must know more than MI5.
MI5’s Director General recently, who told the media earlier this month that ‘around one in five terrorism investigations in Great Britain were linked to neo-Nazi, racist ideology or other related extremism’, a rate he was reported to have said remained steady.
July 22
https://hansard.parliament.uk/Commons/2021-04-21/debates/82686720-EFBA-42E4-AC96-E843FB3AFABA/PreventionAndSuppressionOfTerrorism
https://isc.independent.gov.uk/wp-content/uploads/2022/07/E02710035-HCP-Extreme-Right-Wing-Terrorism_Accessible.pdf
Right.. what do these 2 links tell us?
I'm not gonna read Lords minutes nor a 137 page document.
Can you point to anything specific?
You see that is why Morley gets so cross with all of us. He most definitely would read all 137 pages and follow the links to all sources to cross check their veracity and data gathering methodologies!
Nope I'd ask as fab and feisty has done .
What specific point of the report backs up my claim.
E.g when reading a legal document on a court case and wanted to simply discuss the judgment. I'd go to the judgement not read the evidence and submissions along with caselaw.
It was a joke
You do need to take yourself less seriously!
Your jokes are just quite vitriolic and boring.
Weren’t you the chap who accused others of “vile lies”. Some perspective may be in order!
They were vile lies.
P E R S P E C T I V E
A “vile” lie could be assigned to calling someone a kiddie fiddler or wife beater! It hardly applies to someone accusing you of copying someone’s tweets and such like!
I'll call lies about me vile and accusations thank you.
Hmmm we see things very differently here. I place very little stock or credence in these chats on a swinger website. They have no bearing on me personally or professionally so I assume others are also less precious.
I have repeatedly acknowledged that there are areas where I know you know more than me. I have even defended that knowledge against some other regular poster.
However, I can see that this is getting to you so I am going to say sorry. I really thought it was pub banter/bloke banter and was basically dishing it out to you because you regularly dish it out yourself. But it appears to be actually upsetting you so I am sorry.
If we ever bump into you at a swingers club I will buy you a beer!
You didnt. You were told to stop hiding behind " it was a joke" that's cowardly. Call a spade a spade. But I am done woth you pretending you're joking.
Who “told” me? Did you mean “ask” because I don’t get told what to do thanks.
There you go. I apologised if I am upsetting you but you won’t accept it. What is it you always accuse people of? Oh yeah “grow up” or “be an adult”. You really do take yourself too seriously!
I would get it if this was a professional setting but it most certainly isn’t! Do you not see the absurdity of all the people posting in this politics section with avatars showing their cocks, pussies, tits, and asses! Do you really take all this THAT seriously "
You were I idnt believe you were having a joke. After about the 15th time hiding behind something as a veiled insult. It gets boring and childish.
You were told to stop hiding your insults behind " lighten up"
" it's a joke" and all the other things you would do to try and hide your veiled insults.
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"Not exactly sure what this makes me?
Economic Left/Right: -0.25
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -1.74
A centrist clearly (and more centre than me)
Hopefully this doesn’t descend into “how many squares does the centre ground have to cover”
I think centre is the new right.....
And I'm not worried about people trying to score more centre, it is those that are battling it out to be in the left we need to watch out for
It has been a long point interest discussion that modern society has moved so far to the left that centrist ideals are seen as far right. Like controlling immigration.
It has been a long point interest discussion that modern society has moved so far to the right that centrist ideals are seen as far left .
That makes no sense in our political landscape... We are far more tolerant today than we were 30 years ago and those changes have moved our political view points to the left.
I mentioned above that centre is the new right, and that will be from the point of view of people who are left leaning, not left of centre.
You only have to see a social media article on migrant crossings to see how much more ‘tolerant’ we are these days. Or a piece about pride month or trans folk.
As a whole society has moved forwards in 30 years, but I’d argue it’s taken a few steps back in the past decade.
I think it has taken a huge step backwards in the last 12 months caused by radicals and corporate interference.
Indeed, the far-right radicals like Yaxley-Lennon and his ilk have demonstrably increased the xenophobic attacks (literal and otherwise) of migrants and asylum seekers, for example.
And please do not forget the left radicals such as Antifa who are doing as much harm.
Antifa = anti fascist.
Aren’t we all antifa?
Nazi = national socialist.
Let's not do this
Ah, you’ll forgive me a little wind up, it’s Friday.
(But no, I don’t think antifa are as dangerous as the BNP or their offspring groups)
Bit of a weird take.
Given the amount of assaults antifa rallies have carried out
According to recent reports (since 2020) the far right are the fastest growing terror and most prominent threat to the U.K
That report must know more than MI5.
MI5’s Director General recently, who told the media earlier this month that ‘around one in five terrorism investigations in Great Britain were linked to neo-Nazi, racist ideology or other related extremism’, a rate he was reported to have said remained steady.
July 22
https://hansard.parliament.uk/Commons/2021-04-21/debates/82686720-EFBA-42E4-AC96-E843FB3AFABA/PreventionAndSuppressionOfTerrorism
https://isc.independent.gov.uk/wp-content/uploads/2022/07/E02710035-HCP-Extreme-Right-Wing-Terrorism_Accessible.pdf
Right.. what do these 2 links tell us?
I'm not gonna read Lords minutes nor a 137 page document.
Can you point to anything specific?
You see that is why Morley gets so cross with all of us. He most definitely would read all 137 pages and follow the links to all sources to cross check their veracity and data gathering methodologies!
Nope I'd ask as fab and feisty has done .
What specific point of the report backs up my claim.
E.g when reading a legal document on a court case and wanted to simply discuss the judgment. I'd go to the judgement not read the evidence and submissions along with caselaw.
It was a joke
You do need to take yourself less seriously!
Your jokes are just quite vitriolic and boring.
Weren’t you the chap who accused others of “vile lies”. Some perspective may be in order!
They were vile lies.
P E R S P E C T I V E
A “vile” lie could be assigned to calling someone a kiddie fiddler or wife beater! It hardly applies to someone accusing you of copying someone’s tweets and such like!
I'll call lies about me vile and accusations thank you.
Hmmm we see things very differently here. I place very little stock or credence in these chats on a swinger website. They have no bearing on me personally or professionally so I assume others are also less precious.
I have repeatedly acknowledged that there are areas where I know you know more than me. I have even defended that knowledge against some other regular poster.
However, I can see that this is getting to you so I am going to say sorry. I really thought it was pub banter/bloke banter and was basically dishing it out to you because you regularly dish it out yourself. But it appears to be actually upsetting you so I am sorry.
If we ever bump into you at a swingers club I will buy you a beer!
You didnt. You were told to stop hiding behind " it was a joke" that's cowardly. Call a spade a spade. But I am done woth you pretending you're joking.
Who “told” me? Did you mean “ask” because I don’t get told what to do thanks.
There you go. I apologised if I am upsetting you but you won’t accept it. What is it you always accuse people of? Oh yeah “grow up” or “be an adult”. You really do take yourself too seriously!
I would get it if this was a professional setting but it most certainly isn’t! Do you not see the absurdity of all the people posting in this politics section with avatars showing their cocks, pussies, tits, and asses! Do you really take all this THAT seriously
You were I idnt believe you were having a joke. After about the 15th time hiding behind something as a veiled insult. It gets boring and childish.
You were told to stop hiding your insults behind " lighten up"
" it's a joke" and all the other things you would do to try and hide your veiled insults.
I see through the childish mask and I've called you out on it."
You’ve “called me on it” just listen to the language you use. Unbelievably self-important, arrogant and patronising. You come across like a petulant child! I can count on one hand the number of times I have actually fallen out with people on here. You on the other hand argue with and try to belittle people virtually every single day! You need to grow up and realise you aren’t important, aren’t special, and aren’t an expert in everything like you try and position yourself. You need to consider how you come across and why that seems to trigger people. You do know your stuff in some areas, but beyond that you just are regurgitating Tufton St narratives. I offered an apology if I had upset you but you aren’t man enough to accept it. Says more about you than me! |
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Economic Left/Right: -1.75
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -0.51
Well well well.
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"Libertarian left is very popular, it’s a lovely little fairytale you don’t want the governments to have any rules or boss you around , but you want them to collect all the money from the rich people to make everything nice for you.
On the other hand libertarian right , Farage, Mogg etc makes sense, no rules , no tax, no NHS. "
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On the other hand libertarian right , Farage, Mogg etc makes sense, no rules , no tax, no NHS.
Errr…the only folk who don’t want any rules are anarchists, and I’m not sure how many of them there are. "
They mean, no rules for the ultra wealthy. |
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By *otMe66Man
over a year ago
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"Libertarian left is very popular, it’s a lovely little fairytale you don’t want the governments to have any rules or boss you around , but you want them to collect all the money from the rich people to make everything nice for you.
On the other hand libertarian right , Farage, Mogg etc makes sense, no rules , no tax, no NHS.
Errr…the only folk who don’t want any rules are anarchists, and I’m not sure how many of them there are.
They mean, no rules for the ultra wealthy."
Liberals want little interference? |
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"Libertarian left is very popular, it’s a lovely little fairytale you don’t want the governments to have any rules or boss you around , but you want them to collect all the money from the rich people to make everything nice for you.
On the other hand libertarian right , Farage, Mogg etc makes sense, no rules , no tax, no NHS.
Errr…the only folk who don’t want any rules are anarchists, and I’m not sure how many of them there are.
They mean, no rules for the ultra wealthy.
Liberals want little interference?"
Libertarians do - but libertarians (or classical liberals) tend to be enormous bellends like Toby Young.
Liberals understand the need for rules, but are generally against overwhelming monitoring by the state, want relaxed rules on things like (some) drugs and censorship. |
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By *otMe66Man
over a year ago
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"Libertarian left is very popular, it’s a lovely little fairytale you don’t want the governments to have any rules or boss you around , but you want them to collect all the money from the rich people to make everything nice for you.
On the other hand libertarian right , Farage, Mogg etc makes sense, no rules , no tax, no NHS.
Errr…the only folk who don’t want any rules are anarchists, and I’m not sure how many of them there are.
They mean, no rules for the ultra wealthy.
Liberals want little interference?
Libertarians do - but libertarians (or classical liberals) tend to be enormous bellends like Toby Young.
Liberals understand the need for rules, but are generally against overwhelming monitoring by the state, want relaxed rules on things like (some) drugs and censorship. "
Can you see that beliefs and views are being pigeonholed into tighter and tighter political tribes, mainly driven by left ideology?
You will at some point soon be centre and eventually be right of the new radicals… |
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"Libertarian left is very popular, it’s a lovely little fairytale you don’t want the governments to have any rules or boss you around , but you want them to collect all the money from the rich people to make everything nice for you.
On the other hand libertarian right , Farage, Mogg etc makes sense, no rules , no tax, no NHS.
Errr…the only folk who don’t want any rules are anarchists, and I’m not sure how many of them there are.
They mean, no rules for the ultra wealthy.
Liberals want little interference?"
With what? |
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"Libertarian left is very popular, it’s a lovely little fairytale you don’t want the governments to have any rules or boss you around , but you want them to collect all the money from the rich people to make everything nice for you.
On the other hand libertarian right , Farage, Mogg etc makes sense, no rules , no tax, no NHS.
Errr…the only folk who don’t want any rules are anarchists, and I’m not sure how many of them there are.
They mean, no rules for the ultra wealthy.
Liberals want little interference?
Libertarians do - but libertarians (or classical liberals) tend to be enormous bellends like Toby Young.
Liberals understand the need for rules, but are generally against overwhelming monitoring by the state, want relaxed rules on things like (some) drugs and censorship.
Can you see that beliefs and views are being pigeonholed into tighter and tighter political tribes, mainly driven by left ideology?
You will at some point soon be centre and eventually be right of the new radicals…"
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By *otMe66Man
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"Libertarian left is very popular, it’s a lovely little fairytale you don’t want the governments to have any rules or boss you around , but you want them to collect all the money from the rich people to make everything nice for you.
On the other hand libertarian right , Farage, Mogg etc makes sense, no rules , no tax, no NHS.
Errr…the only folk who don’t want any rules are anarchists, and I’m not sure how many of them there are.
They mean, no rules for the ultra wealthy.
Liberals want little interference?
Libertarians do - but libertarians (or classical liberals) tend to be enormous bellends like Toby Young.
Liberals understand the need for rules, but are generally against overwhelming monitoring by the state, want relaxed rules on things like (some) drugs and censorship.
Can you see that beliefs and views are being pigeonholed into tighter and tighter political tribes, mainly driven by left ideology?
You will at some point soon be centre and eventually be right of the new radicals…
‘Mainly driven by left ideology’ is invented nonsense "
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By *otMe66Man
over a year ago
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"Libertarian left is very popular, it’s a lovely little fairytale you don’t want the governments to have any rules or boss you around , but you want them to collect all the money from the rich people to make everything nice for you.
On the other hand libertarian right , Farage, Mogg etc makes sense, no rules , no tax, no NHS.
Errr…the only folk who don’t want any rules are anarchists, and I’m not sure how many of them there are.
They mean, no rules for the ultra wealthy.
Liberals want little interference?
Libertarians do - but libertarians (or classical liberals) tend to be enormous bellends like Toby Young.
Liberals understand the need for rules, but are generally against overwhelming monitoring by the state, want relaxed rules on things like (some) drugs and censorship.
Can you see that beliefs and views are being pigeonholed into tighter and tighter political tribes, mainly driven by left ideology?
You will at some point soon be centre and eventually be right of the new radicals…
‘Mainly driven by left ideology’ is invented nonsense "
Sorry, that is |
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"Libertarian left is very popular, it’s a lovely little fairytale you don’t want the governments to have any rules or boss you around , but you want them to collect all the money from the rich people to make everything nice for you.
On the other hand libertarian right , Farage, Mogg etc makes sense, no rules , no tax, no NHS.
Errr…the only folk who don’t want any rules are anarchists, and I’m not sure how many of them there are.
They mean, no rules for the ultra wealthy.
Liberals want little interference?
Libertarians do - but libertarians (or classical liberals) tend to be enormous bellends like Toby Young.
Liberals understand the need for rules, but are generally against overwhelming monitoring by the state, want relaxed rules on things like (some) drugs and censorship.
Can you see that beliefs and views are being pigeonholed into tighter and tighter political tribes, mainly driven by left ideology?
You will at some point soon be centre and eventually be right of the new radicals…
‘Mainly driven by left ideology’ is invented nonsense
Sorry, that is "
What’s funny is that your little invention there came because I described a difference between classical liberals and liberals (and they are very different groups - one right wing and one left) - they actually share remarkably little in common despite their names.
Classical liberals advocate small state and large individual freedom, free markets which neither people nor government may not interfere with. Some advocate eugenics and restricted voting rights.
Does that sound left leaning to you?
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"Libertarian left is very popular, it’s a lovely little fairytale you don’t want the governments to have any rules or boss you around , but you want them to collect all the money from the rich people to make everything nice for you.
On the other hand libertarian right , Farage, Mogg etc makes sense, no rules , no tax, no NHS.
Errr…the only folk who don’t want any rules are anarchists, and I’m not sure how many of them there are.
They mean, no rules for the ultra wealthy.
Liberals want little interference?
Libertarians do - but libertarians (or classical liberals) tend to be enormous bellends like Toby Young.
Liberals understand the need for rules, but are generally against overwhelming monitoring by the state, want relaxed rules on things like (some) drugs and censorship.
Can you see that beliefs and views are being pigeonholed into tighter and tighter political tribes, mainly driven by left ideology?
You will at some point soon be centre and eventually be right of the new radicals…
‘Mainly driven by left ideology’ is invented nonsense
Sorry, that is
What’s funny is that your little invention there came because I described a difference between classical liberals and liberals (and they are very different groups - one right wing and one left) - they actually share remarkably little in common despite their names.
Classical liberals advocate small state and large individual freedom, free markets which neither people nor government may not interfere with. Some advocate eugenics and restricted voting rights.
Does that sound left leaning to you?
"
You have missed my point by a country mile, well maybe you didn’t as you continue to misrepresent and spin to make your point and control the left narrative at any cost.
To be clear, what I’m saying is you’re left of centre, clearly and activism is something you do, evidenced here. However, in 10 years you will have become centre to the new you’s |
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"Libertarian left is very popular, it’s a lovely little fairytale you don’t want the governments to have any rules or boss you around , but you want them to collect all the money from the rich people to make everything nice for you.
On the other hand libertarian right , Farage, Mogg etc makes sense, no rules , no tax, no NHS.
Errr…the only folk who don’t want any rules are anarchists, and I’m not sure how many of them there are.
They mean, no rules for the ultra wealthy.
Liberals want little interference?
Libertarians do - but libertarians (or classical liberals) tend to be enormous bellends like Toby Young.
Liberals understand the need for rules, but are generally against overwhelming monitoring by the state, want relaxed rules on things like (some) drugs and censorship.
Can you see that beliefs and views are being pigeonholed into tighter and tighter political tribes, mainly driven by left ideology?
You will at some point soon be centre and eventually be right of the new radicals…
‘Mainly driven by left ideology’ is invented nonsense
Sorry, that is
What’s funny is that your little invention there came because I described a difference between classical liberals and liberals (and they are very different groups - one right wing and one left) - they actually share remarkably little in common despite their names.
Classical liberals advocate small state and large individual freedom, free markets which neither people nor government may not interfere with. Some advocate eugenics and restricted voting rights.
Does that sound left leaning to you?
You have missed my point by a country mile, well maybe you didn’t as you continue to misrepresent and spin to make your point and control the left narrative at any cost.
To be clear, what I’m saying is you’re left of centre, clearly and activism is something you do, evidenced here. However, in 10 years you will have become centre to the new you’s"
You misrepresented with 'left of centre'. Bottom left corner is closer to 'far' than 'centre'. |
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"Libertarian left is very popular, it’s a lovely little fairytale you don’t want the governments to have any rules or boss you around , but you want them to collect all the money from the rich people to make everything nice for you.
On the other hand libertarian right , Farage, Mogg etc makes sense, no rules , no tax, no NHS.
Errr…the only folk who don’t want any rules are anarchists, and I’m not sure how many of them there are.
They mean, no rules for the ultra wealthy.
Liberals want little interference?
Libertarians do - but libertarians (or classical liberals) tend to be enormous bellends like Toby Young.
Liberals understand the need for rules, but are generally against overwhelming monitoring by the state, want relaxed rules on things like (some) drugs and censorship.
Can you see that beliefs and views are being pigeonholed into tighter and tighter political tribes, mainly driven by left ideology?
You will at some point soon be centre and eventually be right of the new radicals…
‘Mainly driven by left ideology’ is invented nonsense
Sorry, that is
What’s funny is that your little invention there came because I described a difference between classical liberals and liberals (and they are very different groups - one right wing and one left) - they actually share remarkably little in common despite their names.
Classical liberals advocate small state and large individual freedom, free markets which neither people nor government may not interfere with. Some advocate eugenics and restricted voting rights.
Does that sound left leaning to you?
You have missed my point by a country mile, well maybe you didn’t as you continue to misrepresent and spin to make your point and control the left narrative at any cost.
To be clear, what I’m saying is you’re left of centre, clearly and activism is something you do, evidenced here. However, in 10 years you will have become centre to the new you’s"
Yup.
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