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What no thread on the euro area recession?

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By *orleyman OP   Man  over a year ago

Leeds

I am beginning to think some posters only come on when it's bad news for the uk.

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By *astandFeistyCouple  over a year ago

Bournemouth

I'm with you in those thoughts. However, let's be fair here.

It's Ireland that's the issue, not the zone as a whole.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"I am beginning to think some posters only come on when it's bad news for the uk.

"

I think your doing a grand job balancing up the views on the issue.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"I am beginning to think some posters only come on when it's bad news for the uk.

"

I live in the UK, I don’t live in the EU

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

This is entirely the fault of Brexit innit.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"This is entirely the fault of Brexit innit."
Oooo you said the B word .

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"This is entirely the fault of Brexit innit."

Why do you keep going on about Brexit, you need to move on

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By *ohnnyTwoNotesMan  over a year ago

golden fields


"This is entirely the fault of Brexit innit."

Going for the record of mentioning "brexit" more than the rest of the fab forum contributers combined.

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By *irldnCouple  over a year ago

Brighton


"I am beginning to think some posters only come on when it's bad news for the uk.

"

Well you just started one so...!

Can you provide all the facts please, with links. We need copious amounts of documentation from reputable sources before we can actually believe your statement.

Also we will need exact terminology that is accurate, not open to interpretation, and doesn’t conflate common parlance with technical speak that may mean something completely different.

So is it the entire Eurozone in recession as implied by the thread title?

Is it just one (or more) country?

How do we know they are in recession?

Are they measuring GDP in the same way?

Etc...

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

Am I right in thinking that eurozone is in recession but EU isn't (as it grew last q)

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By *astandFeistyCouple  over a year ago

Bournemouth


"Am I right in thinking that eurozone is in recession but EU isn't (as it grew last q)

"

Yes. I believe the EU grew as a whole in the first Q

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By *orleyman OP   Man  over a year ago

Leeds


"I am beginning to think some posters only come on when it's bad news for the uk.

Well you just started one so...!

Can you provide all the facts please, with links. We need copious amounts of documentation from reputable sources before we can actually believe your statement.

Also we will need exact terminology that is accurate, not open to interpretation, and doesn’t conflate common parlance with technical speak that may mean something completely different.

So is it the entire Eurozone in recession as implied by the thread title?

Is it just one (or more) country?

How do we know they are in recession?

Are they measuring GDP in the same way?

Etc... "

Eurostat.

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By *orleyman OP   Man  over a year ago

Leeds


"I am beginning to think some posters only come on when it's bad news for the uk.

Well you just started one so...!

Can you provide all the facts please, with links. We need copious amounts of documentation from reputable sources before we can actually believe your statement.

Also we will need exact terminology that is accurate, not open to interpretation, and doesn’t conflate common parlance with technical speak that may mean something completely different.

So is it the entire Eurozone in recession as implied by the thread title?

Is it just one (or more) country?

How do we know they are in recession?

Are they measuring GDP in the same way?

Etc... "

The eurozone is the countries that have adopted the euro and their Combined gdp

Good to hear the euro zone brexited too

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"I am beginning to think some posters only come on when it's bad news for the uk.

Well you just started one so...!

Can you provide all the facts please, with links. We need copious amounts of documentation from reputable sources before we can actually believe your statement.

Also we will need exact terminology that is accurate, not open to interpretation, and doesn’t conflate common parlance with technical speak that may mean something completely different.

So is it the entire Eurozone in recession as implied by the thread title?

Is it just one (or more) country?

How do we know they are in recession?

Are they measuring GDP in the same way?

Etc...

Eurostat.

"

Are you copying Gully, he is posting the same as this today

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By *orleyman OP   Man  over a year ago

Leeds


"I am beginning to think some posters only come on when it's bad news for the uk.

Well you just started one so...!

Can you provide all the facts please, with links. We need copious amounts of documentation from reputable sources before we can actually believe your statement.

Also we will need exact terminology that is accurate, not open to interpretation, and doesn’t conflate common parlance with technical speak that may mean something completely different.

So is it the entire Eurozone in recession as implied by the thread title?

Is it just one (or more) country?

How do we know they are in recession?

Are they measuring GDP in the same way?

Etc...

Eurostat.

Are you copying Gully, he is posting the same as this today "

No. I follow eurostat.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"I am beginning to think some posters only come on when it's bad news for the uk.

Well you just started one so...!

Can you provide all the facts please, with links. We need copious amounts of documentation from reputable sources before we can actually believe your statement.

Also we will need exact terminology that is accurate, not open to interpretation, and doesn’t conflate common parlance with technical speak that may mean something completely different.

So is it the entire Eurozone in recession as implied by the thread title?

Is it just one (or more) country?

How do we know they are in recession?

Are they measuring GDP in the same way?

Etc...

Eurostat.

Are you copying Gully, he is posting the same as this today

No. I follow eurostat."

You’re posting the same as she is

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By *orleyman OP   Man  over a year ago

Leeds

How do you mean?

I'm not entirely sure what point you're trying to make.

Because Andrew Neil posts it too. Do you think he copies gully?

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"How do you mean?

I'm not entirely sure what point you're trying to make.

Because Andrew Neil posts it too. Do you think he copies gully?"

Just an observation, you post the same things as she does,

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By *irldnCouple  over a year ago

Brighton


"How do you mean?

I'm not entirely sure what point you're trying to make.

Because Andrew Neil posts it too. Do you think he copies gully?"

Doubt it. Andrew Neil is a clever guy.

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By *orleyman OP   Man  over a year ago

Leeds


"How do you mean?

I'm not entirely sure what point you're trying to make.

Because Andrew Neil posts it too. Do you think he copies gully?

Just an observation, you post the same things as she does, "

Oh right. You realise me and him follow about 100 of the same twitter accounts? For news on politics?

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By *orleyman OP   Man  over a year ago

Leeds


"How do you mean?

I'm not entirely sure what point you're trying to make.

Because Andrew Neil posts it too. Do you think he copies gully?

Doubt it. Andrew Neil is a clever guy."

Agreed. So they're both right on this

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"How do you mean?

I'm not entirely sure what point you're trying to make.

Because Andrew Neil posts it too. Do you think he copies gully?

Just an observation, you post the same things as she does,

Oh right. You realise me and him follow about 100 of the same twitter accounts? For news on politics?

"

Just an observation,

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By *irldnCouple  over a year ago

Brighton


"How do you mean?

I'm not entirely sure what point you're trying to make.

Because Andrew Neil posts it too. Do you think he copies gully?

Doubt it. Andrew Neil is a clever guy.

Agreed. So they're both right on this "

Don’t know not looked or top of my list to look at. But Andrew Neil is a smart guy with original thinking. Gully not so.

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By *orleyman OP   Man  over a year ago

Leeds


"How do you mean?

I'm not entirely sure what point you're trying to make.

Because Andrew Neil posts it too. Do you think he copies gully?

Doubt it. Andrew Neil is a clever guy.

Agreed. So they're both right on this

Don’t know not looked or top of my list to look at. But Andrew Neil is a smart guy with original thinking. Gully not so."

Strangely he and gully agree on many things.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"How do you mean?

I'm not entirely sure what point you're trying to make.

Because Andrew Neil posts it too. Do you think he copies gully?

Doubt it. Andrew Neil is a clever guy.

Agreed. So they're both right on this

Don’t know not looked or top of my list to look at. But Andrew Neil is a smart guy with original thinking. Gully not so.

Strangely he and gully agree on many things.

"

You mean gully agrees on what Andrew Neil says it’s never the other way around

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By *orleyman OP   Man  over a year ago

Leeds


"How do you mean?

I'm not entirely sure what point you're trying to make.

Because Andrew Neil posts it too. Do you think he copies gully?

Doubt it. Andrew Neil is a clever guy.

Agreed. So they're both right on this

Don’t know not looked or top of my list to look at. But Andrew Neil is a smart guy with original thinking. Gully not so.

Strangely he and gully agree on many things.

You mean gully agrees on what Andrew Neil says it’s never the other way around "

Either or which ever way you choose to split it.

If they agree on 99% of things. I'm not sure why one's a fool and the other is a cleaver man.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"How do you mean?

I'm not entirely sure what point you're trying to make.

Because Andrew Neil posts it too. Do you think he copies gully?

Doubt it. Andrew Neil is a clever guy.

Agreed. So they're both right on this

Don’t know not looked or top of my list to look at. But Andrew Neil is a smart guy with original thinking. Gully not so.

Strangely he and gully agree on many things.

You mean gully agrees on what Andrew Neil says it’s never the other way around

Either or which ever way you choose to split it.

If they agree on 99% of things. I'm not sure why one's a fool and the other is a cleaver man."

One is an original thinker, the other isn’t , she just copies without an original thought of her own

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"How do you mean?

I'm not entirely sure what point you're trying to make.

Because Andrew Neil posts it too. Do you think he copies gully?

Doubt it. Andrew Neil is a clever guy.

Agreed. So they're both right on this

Don’t know not looked or top of my list to look at. But Andrew Neil is a smart guy with original thinking. Gully not so.

Strangely he and gully agree on many things.

You mean gully agrees on what Andrew Neil says it’s never the other way around

Either or which ever way you choose to split it.

If they agree on 99% of things. I'm not sure why one's a fool and the other is a cleaver man."

I would be more impressed if she didn’t agree 99%, that shows a lack of independent, critical and original thinking

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Am I right in thinking that eurozone is in recession but EU isn't (as it grew last q)

Yes. I believe the EU grew as a whole in the first Q"

feels the more interesting comparison imo. And less of a story.

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By *orleyman OP   Man  over a year ago

Leeds


"Am I right in thinking that eurozone is in recession but EU isn't (as it grew last q)

Yes. I believe the EU grew as a whole in the first Q feels the more interesting comparison imo. And less of a story. "

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By *orleyman OP   Man  over a year ago

Leeds


"How do you mean?

I'm not entirely sure what point you're trying to make.

Because Andrew Neil posts it too. Do you think he copies gully?

Doubt it. Andrew Neil is a clever guy.

Agreed. So they're both right on this

Don’t know not looked or top of my list to look at. But Andrew Neil is a smart guy with original thinking. Gully not so.

Strangely he and gully agree on many things.

You mean gully agrees on what Andrew Neil says it’s never the other way around

Either or which ever way you choose to split it.

If they agree on 99% of things. I'm not sure why one's a fool and the other is a cleaver man.

I would be more impressed if she didn’t agree 99%, that shows a lack of independent, critical and original thinking "

No idea why you are calling him a she but there you go

Further proof you can't read.

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By *orleyman OP   Man  over a year ago

Leeds


"How do you mean?

I'm not entirely sure what point you're trying to make.

Because Andrew Neil posts it too. Do you think he copies gully?

Doubt it. Andrew Neil is a clever guy.

Agreed. So they're both right on this

Don’t know not looked or top of my list to look at. But Andrew Neil is a smart guy with original thinking. Gully not so.

Strangely he and gully agree on many things.

You mean gully agrees on what Andrew Neil says it’s never the other way around

Either or which ever way you choose to split it.

If they agree on 99% of things. I'm not sure why one's a fool and the other is a cleaver man.

One is an original thinker, the other isn’t , she just copies without an original thought of her own "

Well then you have a contradiction.

If some 1 Is very clever

And the per your assume is copying them is and idiot and pawn fkr right wing think tanks.

You're in a catch 22 of your own making.

Always fun to see you hang by your own noose

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"How do you mean?

I'm not entirely sure what point you're trying to make.

Because Andrew Neil posts it too. Do you think he copies gully?

Doubt it. Andrew Neil is a clever guy.

Agreed. So they're both right on this

Don’t know not looked or top of my list to look at. But Andrew Neil is a smart guy with original thinking. Gully not so.

Strangely he and gully agree on many things.

You mean gully agrees on what Andrew Neil says it’s never the other way around

Either or which ever way you choose to split it.

If they agree on 99% of things. I'm not sure why one's a fool and the other is a cleaver man.

One is an original thinker, the other isn’t , she just copies without an original thought of her own

Well then you have a contradiction.

If some 1 Is very clever

And the per your assume is copying them is and idiot and pawn fkr right wing think tanks.

You're in a catch 22 of your own making.

Always fun to see you hang by your own noose"

No matter how clever you think someone is you shouldn’t just agree with them 99% of the time, that proves you have no original thoughts.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"How do you mean?

I'm not entirely sure what point you're trying to make.

Because Andrew Neil posts it too. Do you think he copies gully?

Doubt it. Andrew Neil is a clever guy.

Agreed. So they're both right on this

Don’t know not looked or top of my list to look at. But Andrew Neil is a smart guy with original thinking. Gully not so.

Strangely he and gully agree on many things.

You mean gully agrees on what Andrew Neil says it’s never the other way around

Either or which ever way you choose to split it.

If they agree on 99% of things. I'm not sure why one's a fool and the other is a cleaver man.

I would be more impressed if she didn’t agree 99%, that shows a lack of independent, critical and original thinking

No idea why you are calling him a she but there you go

Further proof you can't read."

Could be a he or a she, I just know they are Tufton street stooge with no original thoughts hiding behind a fake name like Guido Fawkes

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By *otMe66Man  over a year ago

Terra Firma


"How do you mean?

I'm not entirely sure what point you're trying to make.

Because Andrew Neil posts it too. Do you think he copies gully?

Doubt it. Andrew Neil is a clever guy.

Agreed. So they're both right on this

Don’t know not looked or top of my list to look at. But Andrew Neil is a smart guy with original thinking. Gully not so.

Strangely he and gully agree on many things.

You mean gully agrees on what Andrew Neil says it’s never the other way around

Either or which ever way you choose to split it.

If they agree on 99% of things. I'm not sure why one's a fool and the other is a cleaver man.

I would be more impressed if she didn’t agree 99%, that shows a lack of independent, critical and original thinking

No idea why you are calling him a she but there you go

Further proof you can't read.

Could be a he or a she, I just know they are Tufton street stooge with no original thoughts hiding behind a fake name like Guido Fawkes "

You have been told it’s a man more than once, yet you continue to go out of your way to call him a woman. Is that trolling?

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By *eroy1000Man  over a year ago

milton keynes

The BBC are also reporting this so no need to bother Twitter. Germany was reported a sort while ago to have problems but I'm a bit surprised about Ireland.

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By *orleyman OP   Man  over a year ago

Leeds


"How do you mean?

I'm not entirely sure what point you're trying to make.

Because Andrew Neil posts it too. Do you think he copies gully?

Doubt it. Andrew Neil is a clever guy.

Agreed. So they're both right on this

Don’t know not looked or top of my list to look at. But Andrew Neil is a smart guy with original thinking. Gully not so.

Strangely he and gully agree on many things.

You mean gully agrees on what Andrew Neil says it’s never the other way around

Either or which ever way you choose to split it.

If they agree on 99% of things. I'm not sure why one's a fool and the other is a cleaver man.

I would be more impressed if she didn’t agree 99%, that shows a lack of independent, critical and original thinking

No idea why you are calling him a she but there you go

Further proof you can't read.

Could be a he or a she, I just know they are Tufton street stooge with no original thoughts hiding behind a fake name like Guido Fawkes "

Knowing them and their job. And having them on linked in. I am sorry but your assumptions are wrong.

Enjoy your contradiction.

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By *inkywife1981Couple  over a year ago

A town near you


"I'm with you in those thoughts. However, let's be fair here.

It's Ireland that's the issue, not the zone as a whole."

We have a budget surplus and near full employment in Ireland.

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By *eroy1000Man  over a year ago

milton keynes


"I'm with you in those thoughts. However, let's be fair here.

It's Ireland that's the issue, not the zone as a whole.

We have a budget surplus and near full employment in Ireland."

That's what made me surprised about Ireland as it was recently that I read about that. Thinking about it though, running a surplus just means spending less than what's coming in. It does not necessarily mean that GDP is going up or down. If it is going down as reported by the BBC by 4.6% then that good management of funds should help

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By *irldnCouple  over a year ago

Brighton

Aristotle was clever. The first person to read and then agree with Aristotle was not clever like Aristotle. They just agreed with him.

Andrew Neil is clever. Gully Foyle is not, he just regurgitates what cleverer people have said.

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By *ermbiMan  over a year ago

Ballyshannon

How is Ireland the issue?

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By *astandFeistyCouple  over a year ago

Bournemouth


"How is Ireland the issue?"

The Irish economy shrank by 4.6%

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By *orleyman OP   Man  over a year ago

Leeds


"Aristotle was clever. The first person to read and then agree with Aristotle was not clever like Aristotle. They just agreed with him.

Andrew Neil is clever. Gully Foyle is not, he just regurgitates what cleverer people have said. "

So which is it then.

Hes a " clown who it's easier to point out what he gets right"

Or he

" just parrots the clever Andrew neil "

Nothing like catching some 1 in a trap of their own making.

Amazing isn’t it. There’s this clown on Twitter called Gully Foyle who is a vocal supporter of Truss! Saying that he only has c.7k followers so not much influence or credibility!

Again.

I asked you what has he got wrong so far?

I've asked this 3 times now.

What particular tweets are wrong?"

Probably easier to list what he got right or we’d be here all year

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By *eroy1000Man  over a year ago

milton keynes


"How is Ireland the issue?"

I would not say it's down to Ireland as such. The German economy may have shrunk by less in percentage terms but as they are a bigger economy I guess overall its a bigger hit to the overall picture. The 4.6% Irish fall was for the first 3 months of 2023 compared to the previous 3 months. Compared to the same period last year it's 0.3% down. Unfortunately still in the wrong direction but not as bad as Lithuania.

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By *ermbiMan  over a year ago

Ballyshannon


"How is Ireland the issue?

The Irish economy shrank by 4.6%"

Can you send a link to the article stating this

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By *astandFeistyCouple  over a year ago

Bournemouth


"How is Ireland the issue?

The Irish economy shrank by 4.6%

Can you send a link to the article stating this"

Not really. It's on all major news networks including Irish ones.

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By *orleyman OP   Man  over a year ago

Leeds


"How is Ireland the issue?

The Irish economy shrank by 4.6%

Can you send a link to the article stating this"

It's on eurostat... the e.us version of the ons

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By *ermbiMan  over a year ago

Ballyshannon

BBC posted that story online 4 hours ago. This info seems to be in the public domain from 6 days ago. Was it a slow news day?

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By *orleyman OP   Man  over a year ago

Leeds


"BBC posted that story online 4 hours ago. This info seems to be in the public domain from 6 days ago. Was it a slow news day?"

Nope. Eurostat published the results today.

So not sure how it was in the news 6 days ago.

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By *astandFeistyCouple  over a year ago

Bournemouth


"BBC posted that story online 4 hours ago. This info seems to be in the public domain from 6 days ago. Was it a slow news day?"

'Eurozone recession' which is what the thread is about, was only reported today as far as I'm aware

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By *mateur100Man  over a year ago

nr faversham


"I am beginning to think some posters only come on when it's bad news for the uk.

"

Maybe fab, easy, Johnny et al are on holiday

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By *ermbiMan  over a year ago

Ballyshannon


"BBC posted that story online 4 hours ago. This info seems to be in the public domain from 6 days ago. Was it a slow news day?

'Eurozone recession' which is what the thread is about, was only reported today as far as I'm aware

"

Article in Irish Independent 6 days ago

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By *astandFeistyCouple  over a year ago

Bournemouth


"BBC posted that story online 4 hours ago. This info seems to be in the public domain from 6 days ago. Was it a slow news day?

'Eurozone recession' which is what the thread is about, was only reported today as far as I'm aware

Article in Irish Independent 6 days ago"

About Ireland yeah. Not about Eurozone.

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By *orleyman OP   Man  over a year ago

Leeds


"BBC posted that story online 4 hours ago. This info seems to be in the public domain from 6 days ago. Was it a slow news day?

'Eurozone recession' which is what the thread is about, was only reported today as far as I'm aware

Article in Irish Independent 6 days ago"

Yes Irish data.

The German data came in a week or 2 back

The eurostat one came in today.

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By *oo hotCouple  over a year ago

North West

I hear what you are saying, but if you stand on your head and look through binoculars at a tree that is half falling down you will see that things are a little different from that perspective.

Being a perfectly normal, pragmatic and normal thinking person, I don’t think that I should conduct cognitive and physical gymnastics to question things that appear perfectly reasonable.

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By *asyukMan  over a year ago

West London


"I am beginning to think some posters only come on when it's bad news for the uk.

"

Two quarters of 0.1% reduction in GDP.

That is definitely a technical recession. In reality, it's stagnation within accuracy of measurement.

Still not a good thing.

Ireland hit quite badly by tech company investment reduction and redundancies. What was a strength, now a weakness.

Many of the other Eurozone countries (particularly Baltic's) hit hard by gas prices.

Germany taking a bigger hit and a much bigger economy. The question is probably more around what is affecting Germany so significantly. What do you think is causing that?

The UK was not in the Eurozone, was it?

Why not compare to the EU as a whole?

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By *otMe66Man  over a year ago

Terra Firma

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By *eroy1000Man  over a year ago

milton keynes


"BBC posted that story online 4 hours ago. This info seems to be in the public domain from 6 days ago. Was it a slow news day?

'Eurozone recession' which is what the thread is about, was only reported today as far as I'm aware

"

That's my understanding too about both the tread subject and the timing of the report. That's quite a hit for Ireland and surprised there was not more on it when it happened. Hopefully it's just a blip

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