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By *eroy1000 OP Man
over a year ago
milton keynes |
The other day there was a headline that asylum seekers that were being housed in a nice area of London, barricaded their rooms saying they were too small. It turns out that they were being told they have to share rooms. Today on the BBC it appears sharing rooms is getting more common.
Is it right that they should have to share. How does the authorities make sure they are not putting abusers of some kind in with vulnerable people. Could it spark violence between them.
Or is it a case that if these people's stories are true about fleeing war ect then having to share is still far far better for them and they should not complain. Of course those responsible for this also have a duty to keep the costs down to.
Processing them through the system quickly is obviously better but this thread is about their time waiting in the system |
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"The other day there was a headline that asylum seekers that were being housed in a nice area of London, barricaded their rooms saying they were too small. It turns out that they were being told they have to share rooms. Today on the BBC it appears sharing rooms is getting more common.
Is it right that they should have to share. How does the authorities make sure they are not putting abusers of some kind in with vulnerable people. Could it spark violence between them.
Or is it a case that if these people's stories are true about fleeing war ect then having to share is still far far better for them and they should not complain. Of course those responsible for this also have a duty to keep the costs down to.
Processing them through the system quickly is obviously better but this thread is about their time waiting in the system "
At this point in time. Wheres the line.
You have males in prison with females sexually assaulting them and assaulting them.
What's the legal challenge on this because an asylum seeker can pretty much identify as what they like if a prisoner can.
How can we verify ages of people with no ID or history
You can try and separate them via under 18s vs adults. But if they don't have passports etc. How do you enforce that?
Ideally women would share with women and children with children and men with men.
But this is the conundrum they've put themselves in destroying their documents. The government can't bow distinguish them.
They don't have a right to have their own room.
The quicker we can fly them to Rwanda the better. And let's take in the genuine asylum seekers. |
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"The other day there was a headline that asylum seekers that were being housed in a nice area of London, barricaded their rooms saying they were too small. It turns out that they were being told they have to share rooms. Today on the BBC it appears sharing rooms is getting more common.
Is it right that they should have to share. How does the authorities make sure they are not putting abusers of some kind in with vulnerable people. Could it spark violence between them.
Or is it a case that if these people's stories are true about fleeing war ect then having to share is still far far better for them and they should not complain. Of course those responsible for this also have a duty to keep the costs down to.
Processing them through the system quickly is obviously better but this thread is about their time waiting in the system
At this point in time. Wheres the line.
You have males in prison with females sexually assaulting them and assaulting them.
What's the legal challenge on this because an asylum seeker can pretty much identify as what they like if a prisoner can.
How can we verify ages of people with no ID or history
You can try and separate them via under 18s vs adults. But if they don't have passports etc. How do you enforce that?
Ideally women would share with women and children with children and men with men.
But this is the conundrum they've put themselves in destroying their documents. The government can't bow distinguish them.
They don't have a right to have their own room.
The quicker we can fly them to Rwanda the better. And let's take in the genuine asylum seekers."
without derailing, do you have a link to the prisoner story?
With the refugees it's a balance between providing safety and respect to the individual, while creating fairness with the larger group or even society.
It's out current answer. Even on that ship they were doubling occupation versus before.
It's the band aid solution tho. Like Rwanda. Let's look earlier at other parts of the chain. |
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"The other day there was a headline that asylum seekers that were being housed in a nice area of London, barricaded their rooms saying they were too small. It turns out that they were being told they have to share rooms. Today on the BBC it appears sharing rooms is getting more common.
Is it right that they should have to share. How does the authorities make sure they are not putting abusers of some kind in with vulnerable people. Could it spark violence between them.
Or is it a case that if these people's stories are true about fleeing war ect then having to share is still far far better for them and they should not complain. Of course those responsible for this also have a duty to keep the costs down to.
Processing them through the system quickly is obviously better but this thread is about their time waiting in the system
At this point in time. Wheres the line.
You have males in prison with females sexually assaulting them and assaulting them.
What's the legal challenge on this because an asylum seeker can pretty much identify as what they like if a prisoner can.
How can we verify ages of people with no ID or history
You can try and separate them via under 18s vs adults. But if they don't have passports etc. How do you enforce that?
Ideally women would share with women and children with children and men with men.
But this is the conundrum they've put themselves in destroying their documents. The government can't bow distinguish them.
They don't have a right to have their own room.
The quicker we can fly them to Rwanda the better. And let's take in the genuine asylum seekers.without derailing, do you have a link to the prisoner story?
With the refugees it's a balance between providing safety and respect to the individual, while creating fairness with the larger group or even society.
It's out current answer. Even on that ship they were doubling occupation versus before.
It's the band aid solution tho. Like Rwanda. Let's look earlier at other parts of the chain. "
If you Google
"uk inmate sexually assault female prisoner" you will see 2nd link is an foi with results from 2016 to 2019.
Then also a guardian news article udnerneath |
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"The other day there was a headline that asylum seekers that were being housed in a nice area of London, barricaded their rooms saying they were too small. It turns out that they were being told they have to share rooms. Today on the BBC it appears sharing rooms is getting more common.
Is it right that they should have to share. How does the authorities make sure they are not putting abusers of some kind in with vulnerable people. Could it spark violence between them.
Or is it a case that if these people's stories are true about fleeing war ect then having to share is still far far better for them and they should not complain. Of course those responsible for this also have a duty to keep the costs down to.
Processing them through the system quickly is obviously better but this thread is about their time waiting in the system
At this point in time. Wheres the line.
You have males in prison with females sexually assaulting them and assaulting them.
What's the legal challenge on this because an asylum seeker can pretty much identify as what they like if a prisoner can.
How can we verify ages of people with no ID or history
You can try and separate them via under 18s vs adults. But if they don't have passports etc. How do you enforce that?
Ideally women would share with women and children with children and men with men.
But this is the conundrum they've put themselves in destroying their documents. The government can't bow distinguish them.
They don't have a right to have their own room.
The quicker we can fly them to Rwanda the better. And let's take in the genuine asylum seekers.without derailing, do you have a link to the prisoner story?
With the refugees it's a balance between providing safety and respect to the individual, while creating fairness with the larger group or even society.
It's out current answer. Even on that ship they were doubling occupation versus before.
It's the band aid solution tho. Like Rwanda. Let's look earlier at other parts of the chain.
If you Google
"uk inmate sexually assault female prisoner" you will see 2nd link is an foi with results from 2016 to 2019.
Then also a guardian news article udnerneath"
thank you. For everyone else, there were 7 cases that involved a transgender person (out of 97 in total) across a four year period. (Note: also not clear if this includes transgender men in female prisons)
Not sure how 7pc stacks up against percentage of female prison population is transgender. |
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"Also have read that the proprietor of the Hotel is receiving £400+ per asylum seeker housed in the property nice little earner for someone with the right contacts "
Assume this is per day.
And a fair compensation given some require complete refurbishment after and there are other guests who find out and cancel |
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"The other day there was a headline that asylum seekers that were being housed in a nice area of London, barricaded their rooms saying they were too small. It turns out that they were being told they have to share rooms. Today on the BBC it appears sharing rooms is getting more common.
Is it right that they should have to share. How does the authorities make sure they are not putting abusers of some kind in with vulnerable people. Could it spark violence between them.
Or is it a case that if these people's stories are true about fleeing war ect then having to share is still far far better for them and they should not complain. Of course those responsible for this also have a duty to keep the costs down to.
Processing them through the system quickly is obviously better but this thread is about their time waiting in the system
At this point in time. Wheres the line.
You have males in prison with females sexually assaulting them and assaulting them.
What's the legal challenge on this because an asylum seeker can pretty much identify as what they like if a prisoner can.
How can we verify ages of people with no ID or history
You can try and separate them via under 18s vs adults. But if they don't have passports etc. How do you enforce that?
Ideally women would share with women and children with children and men with men.
But this is the conundrum they've put themselves in destroying their documents. The government can't bow distinguish them.
They don't have a right to have their own room.
The quicker we can fly them to Rwanda the better. And let's take in the genuine asylum seekers.without derailing, do you have a link to the prisoner story?
With the refugees it's a balance between providing safety and respect to the individual, while creating fairness with the larger group or even society.
It's out current answer. Even on that ship they were doubling occupation versus before.
It's the band aid solution tho. Like Rwanda. Let's look earlier at other parts of the chain.
If you Google
"uk inmate sexually assault female prisoner" you will see 2nd link is an foi with results from 2016 to 2019.
Then also a guardian news article udnerneaththank you. For everyone else, there were 7 cases that involved a transgender person (out of 97 in total) across a four year period. (Note: also not clear if this includes transgender men in female prisons)
Not sure how 7pc stacks up against percentage of female prison population is transgender. "
There are 11 biological males in females prisons. 6 have committed sexual assault crimes.( if I read the foi correct?) That's over 50% of trans people who committed a crime in a female prison.
Like I say. Sadly this stuff comes back to bite us.
And if we don't know the gender, age etc of asylum seekers. We are putting people in danger. But I don't think they have a right to request their own room.
Better to arrive with ID. |
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By *eroy1000 OP Man
over a year ago
milton keynes |
"The other day there was a headline that asylum seekers that were being housed in a nice area of London, barricaded their rooms saying they were too small. It turns out that they were being told they have to share rooms. Today on the BBC it appears sharing rooms is getting more common.
Is it right that they should have to share. How does the authorities make sure they are not putting abusers of some kind in with vulnerable people. Could it spark violence between them.
Or is it a case that if these people's stories are true about fleeing war ect then having to share is still far far better for them and they should not complain. Of course those responsible for this also have a duty to keep the costs down to.
Processing them through the system quickly is obviously better but this thread is about their time waiting in the system
At this point in time. Wheres the line.
You have males in prison with females sexually assaulting them and assaulting them.
What's the legal challenge on this because an asylum seeker can pretty much identify as what they like if a prisoner can.
How can we verify ages of people with no ID or history
You can try and separate them via under 18s vs adults. But if they don't have passports etc. How do you enforce that?
Ideally women would share with women and children with children and men with men.
But this is the conundrum they've put themselves in destroying their documents. The government can't bow distinguish them.
They don't have a right to have their own room.
The quicker we can fly them to Rwanda the better. And let's take in the genuine asylum seekers."
I did not look into other examples already here like prisoners but it's a fair point. Yes the lack of ID makes it hard to judge who should share with who. Maybe though there is some international law that compels host countries to give them a room each for privacy reasons. If I was fleeing war or persecution and another country had let me come in, I would be grateful for anything I was given. |
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"The other day there was a headline that asylum seekers that were being housed in a nice area of London, barricaded their rooms saying they were too small. It turns out that they were being told they have to share rooms. Today on the BBC it appears sharing rooms is getting more common.
Is it right that they should have to share. How does the authorities make sure they are not putting abusers of some kind in with vulnerable people. Could it spark violence between them.
Or is it a case that if these people's stories are true about fleeing war ect then having to share is still far far better for them and they should not complain. Of course those responsible for this also have a duty to keep the costs down to.
Processing them through the system quickly is obviously better but this thread is about their time waiting in the system
At this point in time. Wheres the line.
You have males in prison with females sexually assaulting them and assaulting them.
What's the legal challenge on this because an asylum seeker can pretty much identify as what they like if a prisoner can.
How can we verify ages of people with no ID or history
You can try and separate them via under 18s vs adults. But if they don't have passports etc. How do you enforce that?
Ideally women would share with women and children with children and men with men.
But this is the conundrum they've put themselves in destroying their documents. The government can't bow distinguish them.
They don't have a right to have their own room.
The quicker we can fly them to Rwanda the better. And let's take in the genuine asylum seekers.
I did not look into other examples already here like prisoners but it's a fair point. Yes the lack of ID makes it hard to judge who should share with who. Maybe though there is some international law that compels host countries to give them a room each for privacy reasons. If I was fleeing war or persecution and another country had let me come in, I would be grateful for anything I was given. "
were they complaining about who they shared with or just that they were on a single room with another person ? I assume they had two beds etc...
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"Homeless citizens= they don't matter.
Asylum seekers= Let's give them housing."
why not both ?
Homelessness is multi faceted and often combined with MH and dependencies that mean more than just a room is needed. |
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"Homeless citizens= they don't matter.
Asylum seekers= Let's give them housing.why not both ?
Homelessness is multi faceted and often combined with MH and dependencies that mean more than just a room is needed. "
Take of the homeless first. Don't you agree? Adding more people to a problem is just exasperating that problem. |
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"Homeless citizens= they don't matter.
Asylum seekers= Let's give them housing.why not both ?
Homelessness is multi faceted and often combined with MH and dependencies that mean more than just a room is needed. Take of the homeless first. Don't you agree? Adding more people to a problem is just exasperating that problem."
I'd do both. People don't stop needing help just because we haven't got our shit together in other areas. |
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"Homeless citizens= they don't matter.
Asylum seekers= Let's give them housing.why not both ?
Homelessness is multi faceted and often combined with MH and dependencies that mean more than just a room is needed. Take of the homeless first. Don't you agree? Adding more people to a problem is just exasperating that problem.I'd do both. People don't stop needing help just because we haven't got our shit together in other areas. "
How ? We are just as guilty. Government programs? If that was the case it would have happened already. Our citizens take #1 priority in my eyes. If you can't take care of your own . Why even bother with outsiders.Give them the tools to take on their oppression that they seek in our nations and apply it there. |
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By *eroy1000 OP Man
over a year ago
milton keynes |
"The other day there was a headline that asylum seekers that were being housed in a nice area of London, barricaded their rooms saying they were too small. It turns out that they were being told they have to share rooms. Today on the BBC it appears sharing rooms is getting more common.
Is it right that they should have to share. How does the authorities make sure they are not putting abusers of some kind in with vulnerable people. Could it spark violence between them.
Or is it a case that if these people's stories are true about fleeing war ect then having to share is still far far better for them and they should not complain. Of course those responsible for this also have a duty to keep the costs down to.
Processing them through the system quickly is obviously better but this thread is about their time waiting in the system
At this point in time. Wheres the line.
You have males in prison with females sexually assaulting them and assaulting them.
What's the legal challenge on this because an asylum seeker can pretty much identify as what they like if a prisoner can.
How can we verify ages of people with no ID or history
You can try and separate them via under 18s vs adults. But if they don't have passports etc. How do you enforce that?
Ideally women would share with women and children with children and men with men.
But this is the conundrum they've put themselves in destroying their documents. The government can't bow distinguish them.
They don't have a right to have their own room.
The quicker we can fly them to Rwanda the better. And let's take in the genuine asylum seekers.
I did not look into other examples already here like prisoners but it's a fair point. Yes the lack of ID makes it hard to judge who should share with who. Maybe though there is some international law that compels host countries to give them a room each for privacy reasons. If I was fleeing war or persecution and another country had let me come in, I would be grateful for anything I was given. were they complaining about who they shared with or just that they were on a single room with another person ? I assume they had two beds etc...
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My understanding is they are complaining about a lack of space because some are sharing |
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"The other day there was a headline that asylum seekers that were being housed in a nice area of London, barricaded their rooms saying they were too small. It turns out that they were being told they have to share rooms. Today on the BBC it appears sharing rooms is getting more common.
Is it right that they should have to share. How does the authorities make sure they are not putting abusers of some kind in with vulnerable people. Could it spark violence between them.
Or is it a case that if these people's stories are true about fleeing war ect then having to share is still far far better for them and they should not complain. Of course those responsible for this also have a duty to keep the costs down to.
Processing them through the system quickly is obviously better but this thread is about their time waiting in the system
At this point in time. Wheres the line.
You have males in prison with females sexually assaulting them and assaulting them.
What's the legal challenge on this because an asylum seeker can pretty much identify as what they like if a prisoner can.
How can we verify ages of people with no ID or history
You can try and separate them via under 18s vs adults. But if they don't have passports etc. How do you enforce that?
Ideally women would share with women and children with children and men with men.
But this is the conundrum they've put themselves in destroying their documents. The government can't bow distinguish them.
They don't have a right to have their own room.
The quicker we can fly them to Rwanda the better. And let's take in the genuine asylum seekers.
I did not look into other examples already here like prisoners but it's a fair point. Yes the lack of ID makes it hard to judge who should share with who. Maybe though there is some international law that compels host countries to give them a room each for privacy reasons. If I was fleeing war or persecution and another country had let me come in, I would be grateful for anything I was given. were they complaining about who they shared with or just that they were on a single room with another person ? I assume they had two beds etc...
My understanding is they are complaining about a lack of space because some are sharing"
 so the safety/ID bit has been introduced by the forum. |
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"Homeless citizens= they don't matter.
Asylum seekers= Let's give them housing.why not both ?
Homelessness is multi faceted and often combined with MH and dependencies that mean more than just a room is needed. Take of the homeless first. Don't you agree? Adding more people to a problem is just exasperating that problem.I'd do both. People don't stop needing help just because we haven't got our shit together in other areas. How ? We are just as guilty. Government programs? If that was the case it would have happened already. Our citizens take #1 priority in my eyes. If you can't take care of your own . Why even bother with outsiders.Give them the tools to take on their oppression that they seek in our nations and apply it there. "
two areas for me. Invest in mental health care. Preferably early stage support. And stop making drug use a no go conversation of policy.
I'd maybe add a third and see if there is a correlation between the time parents are able to spend with their kids, and the above.
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"Homeless citizens= they don't matter.
Asylum seekers= Let's give them housing.why not both ?
Homelessness is multi faceted and often combined with MH and dependencies that mean more than just a room is needed. Take of the homeless first. Don't you agree? Adding more people to a problem is just exasperating that problem.I'd do both. People don't stop needing help just because we haven't got our shit together in other areas. How ? We are just as guilty. Government programs? If that was the case it would have happened already. Our citizens take #1 priority in my eyes. If you can't take care of your own . Why even bother with outsiders.Give them the tools to take on their oppression that they seek in our nations and apply it there. "
Stop invading and destroying other countries then |
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By *otMe66Man
over a year ago
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We have a huge problem, £2.5 billion a year problem.
A robust and swift policy is needed to stop the country haemorrhaging this vast amount of money.
In the absence of those policies, if we need temporary fixes such as sharing rooms then so be it and I hope the government stick to this and do not allow pressure to escalate costs even further. |
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It's shocking.
We are told that lots of these people are violent criminals and not real asylum seekers and now that genuine asylum seekers need to share a room with these people.
People should have some dignity. People should be able to claim asylum outside of the UK before they get here so that they don't have to pay a people smuggler to get here and they don't need to be put up in a hotel for longer than the first night.
That solves the problem cheaply and fairly. This sharing a room nonsense is just there to rule up the usual people. We should also look at the foreign aid budget as to as cut, so it's not like we are helping people to stay close to where they came from.
As it is you have people who have no legal way to get here unless you are Ukrainian, from Hong Kong, or the 23 (ish) people they have admitted from Afghanistan in the last year. I'm no expert on wold affairs but I think that there may be some other places where stuff is going down people may need to flee from.
It is also not true you have to claim asylum in the first safe country before anyone trots that line out.
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By *otMe66Man
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"It's shocking.
We are told that lots of these people are violent criminals and not real asylum seekers and now that genuine asylum seekers need to share a room with these people.
People should have some dignity. People should be able to claim asylum outside of the UK before they get here so that they don't have to pay a people smuggler to get here and they don't need to be put up in a hotel for longer than the first night.
That solves the problem cheaply and fairly. This sharing a room nonsense is just there to rule up the usual people. We should also look at the foreign aid budget as to as cut, so it's not like we are helping people to stay close to where they came from.
As it is you have people who have no legal way to get here unless you are Ukrainian, from Hong Kong, or the 23 (ish) people they have admitted from Afghanistan in the last year. I'm no expert on wold affairs but I think that there may be some other places where stuff is going down people may need to flee from.
It is also not true you have to claim asylum in the first safe country before anyone trots that line out.
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How would processing asylum requests outside the country remove small boat crossings?
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"It's shocking.
We are told that lots of these people are violent criminals and not real asylum seekers and now that genuine asylum seekers need to share a room with these people.
People should have some dignity. People should be able to claim asylum outside of the UK before they get here so that they don't have to pay a people smuggler to get here and they don't need to be put up in a hotel for longer than the first night.
That solves the problem cheaply and fairly. This sharing a room nonsense is just there to rule up the usual people. We should also look at the foreign aid budget as to as cut, so it's not like we are helping people to stay close to where they came from.
As it is you have people who have no legal way to get here unless you are Ukrainian, from Hong Kong, or the 23 (ish) people they have admitted from Afghanistan in the last year. I'm no expert on wold affairs but I think that there may be some other places where stuff is going down people may need to flee from.
It is also not true you have to claim asylum in the first safe country before anyone trots that line out.
How would processing asylum requests outside the country remove small boat crossings?
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Cos if you have an approved asylum claim you could jump on the Eurostar from France. |
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"It's shocking.
We are told that lots of these people are violent criminals and not real asylum seekers and now that genuine asylum seekers need to share a room with these people.
People should have some dignity. People should be able to claim asylum outside of the UK before they get here so that they don't have to pay a people smuggler to get here and they don't need to be put up in a hotel for longer than the first night.
That solves the problem cheaply and fairly. This sharing a room nonsense is just there to rule up the usual people. We should also look at the foreign aid budget as to as cut, so it's not like we are helping people to stay close to where they came from.
As it is you have people who have no legal way to get here unless you are Ukrainian, from Hong Kong, or the 23 (ish) people they have admitted from Afghanistan in the last year. I'm no expert on wold affairs but I think that there may be some other places where stuff is going down people may need to flee from.
It is also not true you have to claim asylum in the first safe country before anyone trots that line out.
How would processing asylum requests outside the country remove small boat crossings?
Cos if you have an approved asylum claim you could jump on the Eurostar from France. "
I'm with you in having external processing centres but the majority of small boats are Albanians. It's not gonna help as much as you think it is. |
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By *otMe66Man
over a year ago
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"It's shocking.
We are told that lots of these people are violent criminals and not real asylum seekers and now that genuine asylum seekers need to share a room with these people.
People should have some dignity. People should be able to claim asylum outside of the UK before they get here so that they don't have to pay a people smuggler to get here and they don't need to be put up in a hotel for longer than the first night.
That solves the problem cheaply and fairly. This sharing a room nonsense is just there to rule up the usual people. We should also look at the foreign aid budget as to as cut, so it's not like we are helping people to stay close to where they came from.
As it is you have people who have no legal way to get here unless you are Ukrainian, from Hong Kong, or the 23 (ish) people they have admitted from Afghanistan in the last year. I'm no expert on wold affairs but I think that there may be some other places where stuff is going down people may need to flee from.
It is also not true you have to claim asylum in the first safe country before anyone trots that line out.
How would processing asylum requests outside the country remove small boat crossings?
Cos if you have an approved asylum claim you could jump on the Eurostar from France.
I'm with you in having external processing centres but the majority of small boats are Albanians. It's not gonna help as much as you think it is."
Agreed, the small boat method works well for those who are economic migrants, why would they change their access methods.
Overseas asylum would work for genuine cases, but those denied would simply join the small boat queue and ditch their papers, is the most likely outcome. |
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"It's shocking.
We are told that lots of these people are violent criminals and not real asylum seekers and now that genuine asylum seekers need to share a room with these people.
People should have some dignity. People should be able to claim asylum outside of the UK before they get here so that they don't have to pay a people smuggler to get here and they don't need to be put up in a hotel for longer than the first night.
That solves the problem cheaply and fairly. This sharing a room nonsense is just there to rule up the usual people. We should also look at the foreign aid budget as to as cut, so it's not like we are helping people to stay close to where they came from.
As it is you have people who have no legal way to get here unless you are Ukrainian, from Hong Kong, or the 23 (ish) people they have admitted from Afghanistan in the last year. I'm no expert on wold affairs but I think that there may be some other places where stuff is going down people may need to flee from.
It is also not true you have to claim asylum in the first safe country before anyone trots that line out.
How would processing asylum requests outside the country remove small boat crossings?
Cos if you have an approved asylum claim you could jump on the Eurostar from France.
I'm with you in having external processing centres but the majority of small boats are Albanians. It's not gonna help as much as you think it is."
185 Albanians have come over this year o small boats. Only 5% of arrivals. So that's just false I am afraid.
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"It's shocking.
We are told that lots of these people are violent criminals and not real asylum seekers and now that genuine asylum seekers need to share a room with these people.
People should have some dignity. People should be able to claim asylum outside of the UK before they get here so that they don't have to pay a people smuggler to get here and they don't need to be put up in a hotel for longer than the first night.
That solves the problem cheaply and fairly. This sharing a room nonsense is just there to rule up the usual people. We should also look at the foreign aid budget as to as cut, so it's not like we are helping people to stay close to where they came from.
As it is you have people who have no legal way to get here unless you are Ukrainian, from Hong Kong, or the 23 (ish) people they have admitted from Afghanistan in the last year. I'm no expert on wold affairs but I think that there may be some other places where stuff is going down people may need to flee from.
It is also not true you have to claim asylum in the first safe country before anyone trots that line out.
How would processing asylum requests outside the country remove small boat crossings?
Cos if you have an approved asylum claim you could jump on the Eurostar from France.
I'm with you in having external processing centres but the majority of small boats are Albanians. It's not gonna help as much as you think it is.
185 Albanians have come over this year o small boats. Only 5% of arrivals. So that's just false I am afraid.
Source: the daily mail quoting government figures. Which, as I'm sure you are aware, is hardly likely to spin those figures when immigrants bad is their editorial policy."
Can you show us that link please.
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"It's shocking.
We are told that lots of these people are violent criminals and not real asylum seekers and now that genuine asylum seekers need to share a room with these people.
People should have some dignity. People should be able to claim asylum outside of the UK before they get here so that they don't have to pay a people smuggler to get here and they don't need to be put up in a hotel for longer than the first night.
That solves the problem cheaply and fairly. This sharing a room nonsense is just there to rule up the usual people. We should also look at the foreign aid budget as to as cut, so it's not like we are helping people to stay close to where they came from.
As it is you have people who have no legal way to get here unless you are Ukrainian, from Hong Kong, or the 23 (ish) people they have admitted from Afghanistan in the last year. I'm no expert on wold affairs but I think that there may be some other places where stuff is going down people may need to flee from.
It is also not true you have to claim asylum in the first safe country before anyone trots that line out.
How would processing asylum requests outside the country remove small boat crossings?
Cos if you have an approved asylum claim you could jump on the Eurostar from France.
I'm with you in having external processing centres but the majority of small boats are Albanians. It's not gonna help as much as you think it is.
Agreed, the small boat method works well for those who are economic migrants, why would they change their access methods.
Overseas asylum would work for genuine cases, but those denied would simply join the small boat queue and ditch their papers, is the most likely outcome."
Fale again. We didn't used to have this problem so why is it happening now?
90% of small boat arrivals were given asylum.
Source the government:
Google 'percent of small boat arrival given asylum'
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"It's shocking.
We are told that lots of these people are violent criminals and not real asylum seekers and now that genuine asylum seekers need to share a room with these people.
People should have some dignity. People should be able to claim asylum outside of the UK before they get here so that they don't have to pay a people smuggler to get here and they don't need to be put up in a hotel for longer than the first night.
That solves the problem cheaply and fairly. This sharing a room nonsense is just there to rule up the usual people. We should also look at the foreign aid budget as to as cut, so it's not like we are helping people to stay close to where they came from.
As it is you have people who have no legal way to get here unless you are Ukrainian, from Hong Kong, or the 23 (ish) people they have admitted from Afghanistan in the last year. I'm no expert on wold affairs but I think that there may be some other places where stuff is going down people may need to flee from.
It is also not true you have to claim asylum in the first safe country before anyone trots that line out.
How would processing asylum requests outside the country remove small boat crossings?
Cos if you have an approved asylum claim you could jump on the Eurostar from France.
I'm with you in having external processing centres but the majority of small boats are Albanians. It's not gonna help as much as you think it is."
I'd be more comfortable saying that irregular entry is a huge black mark against any asylum claim if there were was a safe offshore way of applying.
That said, I'd need to understand just how many Albanians are getting asylum and why. Given the processing times there is a lag between success rates and the current spike. |
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"It's shocking.
We are told that lots of these people are violent criminals and not real asylum seekers and now that genuine asylum seekers need to share a room with these people.
People should have some dignity. People should be able to claim asylum outside of the UK before they get here so that they don't have to pay a people smuggler to get here and they don't need to be put up in a hotel for longer than the first night.
That solves the problem cheaply and fairly. This sharing a room nonsense is just there to rule up the usual people. We should also look at the foreign aid budget as to as cut, so it's not like we are helping people to stay close to where they came from.
As it is you have people who have no legal way to get here unless you are Ukrainian, from Hong Kong, or the 23 (ish) people they have admitted from Afghanistan in the last year. I'm no expert on wold affairs but I think that there may be some other places where stuff is going down people may need to flee from.
It is also not true you have to claim asylum in the first safe country before anyone trots that line out.
How would processing asylum requests outside the country remove small boat crossings?
Cos if you have an approved asylum claim you could jump on the Eurostar from France.
I'm with you in having external processing centres but the majority of small boats are Albanians. It's not gonna help as much as you think it is.
185 Albanians have come over this year o small boats. Only 5% of arrivals. So that's just false I am afraid.
Source: the daily mail quoting government figures. Which, as I'm sure you are aware, is hardly likely to spin those figures when immigrants bad is their editorial policy.
Can you show us that link please.
Over 12k Albanians arrived last year."
Point of note:
"Of the Albanian migrants who arrived in small boats in 2022, 95% arrived between May and October."
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"It's shocking.
We are told that lots of these people are violent criminals and not real asylum seekers and now that genuine asylum seekers need to share a room with these people.
People should have some dignity. People should be able to claim asylum outside of the UK before they get here so that they don't have to pay a people smuggler to get here and they don't need to be put up in a hotel for longer than the first night.
That solves the problem cheaply and fairly. This sharing a room nonsense is just there to rule up the usual people. We should also look at the foreign aid budget as to as cut, so it's not like we are helping people to stay close to where they came from.
As it is you have people who have no legal way to get here unless you are Ukrainian, from Hong Kong, or the 23 (ish) people they have admitted from Afghanistan in the last year. I'm no expert on wold affairs but I think that there may be some other places where stuff is going down people may need to flee from.
It is also not true you have to claim asylum in the first safe country before anyone trots that line out.
How would processing asylum requests outside the country remove small boat crossings?
Cos if you have an approved asylum claim you could jump on the Eurostar from France.
I'm with you in having external processing centres but the majority of small boats are Albanians. It's not gonna help as much as you think it is.
185 Albanians have come over this year o small boats. Only 5% of arrivals. So that's just false I am afraid.
Source: the daily mail quoting government figures. Which, as I'm sure you are aware, is hardly likely to spin those figures when immigrants bad is their editorial policy.
Can you show us that link please.
Over 12k Albanians arrived last year."
If I link outside here it gives a ban.
I googled '2023 albanians small boats'
The daily mail site is the 2nd link from the top. Just Google he headline below
Daily Mail
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Number of Albanians crossing the Channel to Britain in small boats falls to 5% in early ... |
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"It's shocking.
We are told that lots of these people are violent criminals and not real asylum seekers and now that genuine asylum seekers need to share a room with these people.
People should have some dignity. People should be able to claim asylum outside of the UK before they get here so that they don't have to pay a people smuggler to get here and they don't need to be put up in a hotel for longer than the first night.
That solves the problem cheaply and fairly. This sharing a room nonsense is just there to rule up the usual people. We should also look at the foreign aid budget as to as cut, so it's not like we are helping people to stay close to where they came from.
As it is you have people who have no legal way to get here unless you are Ukrainian, from Hong Kong, or the 23 (ish) people they have admitted from Afghanistan in the last year. I'm no expert on wold affairs but I think that there may be some other places where stuff is going down people may need to flee from.
It is also not true you have to claim asylum in the first safe country before anyone trots that line out.
How would processing asylum requests outside the country remove small boat crossings?
Cos if you have an approved asylum claim you could jump on the Eurostar from France.
I'm with you in having external processing centres but the majority of small boats are Albanians. It's not gonna help as much as you think it is.
Agreed, the small boat method works well for those who are economic migrants, why would they change their access methods.
Overseas asylum would work for genuine cases, but those denied would simply join the small boat queue and ditch their papers, is the most likely outcome.
Fale again. We didn't used to have this problem so why is it happening now?
90% of small boat arrivals were given asylum.
Source the government:
Google 'percent of small boat arrival given asylum'
"
Are you for real?  Why do you try to twist that 90% figure?
"In 2022, 90% (40,302 of 44,666 arrivals) claimed asylum or were recorded as a dependant on an asylum application."
That's claimed asylum, not approved. |
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"It's shocking.
We are told that lots of these people are violent criminals and not real asylum seekers and now that genuine asylum seekers need to share a room with these people.
People should have some dignity. People should be able to claim asylum outside of the UK before they get here so that they don't have to pay a people smuggler to get here and they don't need to be put up in a hotel for longer than the first night.
That solves the problem cheaply and fairly. This sharing a room nonsense is just there to rule up the usual people. We should also look at the foreign aid budget as to as cut, so it's not like we are helping people to stay close to where they came from.
As it is you have people who have no legal way to get here unless you are Ukrainian, from Hong Kong, or the 23 (ish) people they have admitted from Afghanistan in the last year. I'm no expert on wold affairs but I think that there may be some other places where stuff is going down people may need to flee from.
It is also not true you have to claim asylum in the first safe country before anyone trots that line out.
How would processing asylum requests outside the country remove small boat crossings?
Cos if you have an approved asylum claim you could jump on the Eurostar from France.
I'm with you in having external processing centres but the majority of small boats are Albanians. It's not gonna help as much as you think it is.
185 Albanians have come over this year o small boats. Only 5% of arrivals. So that's just false I am afraid.
Source: the daily mail quoting government figures. Which, as I'm sure you are aware, is hardly likely to spin those figures when immigrants bad is their editorial policy.
Can you show us that link please.
Over 12k Albanians arrived last year.
If I link outside here it gives a ban.
I googled '2023 albanians small boats'
The daily mail site is the 2nd link from the top. Just Google he headline below
Daily Mail
› news
Number of Albanians crossing the Channel to Britain in small boats falls to 5% in early ..."
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over a year ago
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"It's shocking.
We are told that lots of these people are violent criminals and not real asylum seekers and now that genuine asylum seekers need to share a room with these people.
People should have some dignity. People should be able to claim asylum outside of the UK before they get here so that they don't have to pay a people smuggler to get here and they don't need to be put up in a hotel for longer than the first night.
That solves the problem cheaply and fairly. This sharing a room nonsense is just there to rule up the usual people. We should also look at the foreign aid budget as to as cut, so it's not like we are helping people to stay close to where they came from.
As it is you have people who have no legal way to get here unless you are Ukrainian, from Hong Kong, or the 23 (ish) people they have admitted from Afghanistan in the last year. I'm no expert on wold affairs but I think that there may be some other places where stuff is going down people may need to flee from.
It is also not true you have to claim asylum in the first safe country before anyone trots that line out.
How would processing asylum requests outside the country remove small boat crossings?
Cos if you have an approved asylum claim you could jump on the Eurostar from France.
I'm with you in having external processing centres but the majority of small boats are Albanians. It's not gonna help as much as you think it is.
Agreed, the small boat method works well for those who are economic migrants, why would they change their access methods.
Overseas asylum would work for genuine cases, but those denied would simply join the small boat queue and ditch their papers, is the most likely outcome.
Fale again. We didn't used to have this problem so why is it happening now?
90% of small boat arrivals were given asylum.
Source the government:
Google 'percent of small boat arrival given asylum'
"
90% are given asylum because we cannot identify them as not fleeing some sort of persecution. The numbers have overwhelmed us and you really do need to have your head in the sand if you cannot see this.
Reasons, no identity papers and rock solid stories that have worked previously.
I don’t think you will find any sane person who would not want to help a genuine refugee, but equally we need to wise up to the fact we are being played to the tune of £billions a year.
Albanians have decreased so far this year through initiatives from both countries that have deterred more crossings, after all they can simply get on a plane to the UK it is far cheaper than paying £thousands to people smugglers, so why do you think they were doing that?
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"It's shocking.
We are told that lots of these people are violent criminals and not real asylum seekers and now that genuine asylum seekers need to share a room with these people.
People should have some dignity. People should be able to claim asylum outside of the UK before they get here so that they don't have to pay a people smuggler to get here and they don't need to be put up in a hotel for longer than the first night.
That solves the problem cheaply and fairly. This sharing a room nonsense is just there to rule up the usual people. We should also look at the foreign aid budget as to as cut, so it's not like we are helping people to stay close to where they came from.
As it is you have people who have no legal way to get here unless you are Ukrainian, from Hong Kong, or the 23 (ish) people they have admitted from Afghanistan in the last year. I'm no expert on wold affairs but I think that there may be some other places where stuff is going down people may need to flee from.
It is also not true you have to claim asylum in the first safe country before anyone trots that line out.
How would processing asylum requests outside the country remove small boat crossings?
Cos if you have an approved asylum claim you could jump on the Eurostar from France.
I'm with you in having external processing centres but the majority of small boats are Albanians. It's not gonna help as much as you think it is.
185 Albanians have come over this year o small boats. Only 5% of arrivals. So that's just false I am afraid.
Source: the daily mail quoting government figures. Which, as I'm sure you are aware, is hardly likely to spin those figures when immigrants bad is their editorial policy.
Can you show us that link please.
Over 12k Albanians arrived last year.
Point of note:
"Of the Albanian migrants who arrived in small boats in 2022, 95% arrived between May and October."
When the season are a bit kinder "
We shall see. I'm just using the daily mail to try and show it's not as big an issue as made out.
If there were legal ways to process people outside of the UK we wouldn't have small boats. No Albanians to hide amounts them and everyone is happy.
But nooooo, we got to have this performance which is more expensive, less compassionate, and causes more issues. |
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"It's shocking.
We are told that lots of these people are violent criminals and not real asylum seekers and now that genuine asylum seekers need to share a room with these people.
People should have some dignity. People should be able to claim asylum outside of the UK before they get here so that they don't have to pay a people smuggler to get here and they don't need to be put up in a hotel for longer than the first night.
That solves the problem cheaply and fairly. This sharing a room nonsense is just there to rule up the usual people. We should also look at the foreign aid budget as to as cut, so it's not like we are helping people to stay close to where they came from.
As it is you have people who have no legal way to get here unless you are Ukrainian, from Hong Kong, or the 23 (ish) people they have admitted from Afghanistan in the last year. I'm no expert on wold affairs but I think that there may be some other places where stuff is going down people may need to flee from.
It is also not true you have to claim asylum in the first safe country before anyone trots that line out.
How would processing asylum requests outside the country remove small boat crossings?
Cos if you have an approved asylum claim you could jump on the Eurostar from France.
I'm with you in having external processing centres but the majority of small boats are Albanians. It's not gonna help as much as you think it is.
185 Albanians have come over this year o small boats. Only 5% of arrivals. So that's just false I am afraid.
Source: the daily mail quoting government figures. Which, as I'm sure you are aware, is hardly likely to spin those figures when immigrants bad is their editorial policy.
Can you show us that link please.
Over 12k Albanians arrived last year.
Point of note:
"Of the Albanian migrants who arrived in small boats in 2022, 95% arrived between May and October."
When the season are a bit kinder
We shall see. I'm just using the daily mail to try and show it's not as big an issue as made out.
If there were legal ways to process people outside of the UK we wouldn't have small boats. No Albanians to hide amounts them and everyone is happy.
But nooooo, we got to have this performance which is more expensive, less compassionate, and causes more issues."
I'm with you on legal ways to process offshore. I'd argue that most Albanians are economic migrants and not asylum seekers.
You could always use official figures from last year rather than skewed figures from winter. It'll give you a clearer picture. |
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"It's shocking.
We are told that lots of these people are violent criminals and not real asylum seekers and now that genuine asylum seekers need to share a room with these people.
People should have some dignity. People should be able to claim asylum outside of the UK before they get here so that they don't have to pay a people smuggler to get here and they don't need to be put up in a hotel for longer than the first night.
That solves the problem cheaply and fairly. This sharing a room nonsense is just there to rule up the usual people. We should also look at the foreign aid budget as to as cut, so it's not like we are helping people to stay close to where they came from.
As it is you have people who have no legal way to get here unless you are Ukrainian, from Hong Kong, or the 23 (ish) people they have admitted from Afghanistan in the last year. I'm no expert on wold affairs but I think that there may be some other places where stuff is going down people may need to flee from.
It is also not true you have to claim asylum in the first safe country before anyone trots that line out.
How would processing asylum requests outside the country remove small boat crossings?
Cos if you have an approved asylum claim you could jump on the Eurostar from France.
I'm with you in having external processing centres but the majority of small boats are Albanians. It's not gonna help as much as you think it is.
Agreed, the small boat method works well for those who are economic migrants, why would they change their access methods.
Overseas asylum would work for genuine cases, but those denied would simply join the small boat queue and ditch their papers, is the most likely outcome.
Fale again. We didn't used to have this problem so why is it happening now?
90% of small boat arrivals were given asylum.
Source the government:
Google 'percent of small boat arrival given asylum'
90% are given asylum because we cannot identify them as not fleeing some sort of persecution. The numbers have overwhelmed us and you really do need to have your head in the sand if you cannot see this.
Reasons, no identity papers and rock solid stories that have worked previously.
I don’t think you will find any sane person who would not want to help a genuine refugee, but equally we need to wise up to the fact we are being played to the tune of £billions a year.
Albanians have decreased so far this year through initiatives from both countries that have deterred more crossings, after all they can simply get on a plane to the UK it is far cheaper than paying £thousands to people smugglers, so why do you think they were doing that?
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In what way have these numbers overwhelmed us?
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By *otMe66Man
over a year ago
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"It's shocking.
We are told that lots of these people are violent criminals and not real asylum seekers and now that genuine asylum seekers need to share a room with these people.
People should have some dignity. People should be able to claim asylum outside of the UK before they get here so that they don't have to pay a people smuggler to get here and they don't need to be put up in a hotel for longer than the first night.
That solves the problem cheaply and fairly. This sharing a room nonsense is just there to rule up the usual people. We should also look at the foreign aid budget as to as cut, so it's not like we are helping people to stay close to where they came from.
As it is you have people who have no legal way to get here unless you are Ukrainian, from Hong Kong, or the 23 (ish) people they have admitted from Afghanistan in the last year. I'm no expert on wold affairs but I think that there may be some other places where stuff is going down people may need to flee from.
It is also not true you have to claim asylum in the first safe country before anyone trots that line out.
How would processing asylum requests outside the country remove small boat crossings?
Cos if you have an approved asylum claim you could jump on the Eurostar from France.
I'm with you in having external processing centres but the majority of small boats are Albanians. It's not gonna help as much as you think it is.
Agreed, the small boat method works well for those who are economic migrants, why would they change their access methods.
Overseas asylum would work for genuine cases, but those denied would simply join the small boat queue and ditch their papers, is the most likely outcome.
Fale again. We didn't used to have this problem so why is it happening now?
90% of small boat arrivals were given asylum.
Source the government:
Google 'percent of small boat arrival given asylum'
90% are given asylum because we cannot identify them as not fleeing some sort of persecution. The numbers have overwhelmed us and you really do need to have your head in the sand if you cannot see this.
Reasons, no identity papers and rock solid stories that have worked previously.
I don’t think you will find any sane person who would not want to help a genuine refugee, but equally we need to wise up to the fact we are being played to the tune of £billions a year.
Albanians have decreased so far this year through initiatives from both countries that have deterred more crossings, after all they can simply get on a plane to the UK it is far cheaper than paying £thousands to people smugglers, so why do you think they were doing that?
In what way have these numbers overwhelmed us?
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45k people entering the country on small boats with no papers…… |
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"It's shocking.
We are told that lots of these people are violent criminals and not real asylum seekers and now that genuine asylum seekers need to share a room with these people.
People should have some dignity. People should be able to claim asylum outside of the UK before they get here so that they don't have to pay a people smuggler to get here and they don't need to be put up in a hotel for longer than the first night.
That solves the problem cheaply and fairly. This sharing a room nonsense is just there to rule up the usual people. We should also look at the foreign aid budget as to as cut, so it's not like we are helping people to stay close to where they came from.
As it is you have people who have no legal way to get here unless you are Ukrainian, from Hong Kong, or the 23 (ish) people they have admitted from Afghanistan in the last year. I'm no expert on wold affairs but I think that there may be some other places where stuff is going down people may need to flee from.
It is also not true you have to claim asylum in the first safe country before anyone trots that line out.
How would processing asylum requests outside the country remove small boat crossings?
Cos if you have an approved asylum claim you could jump on the Eurostar from France.
I'm with you in having external processing centres but the majority of small boats are Albanians. It's not gonna help as much as you think it is.
Agreed, the small boat method works well for those who are economic migrants, why would they change their access methods.
Overseas asylum would work for genuine cases, but those denied would simply join the small boat queue and ditch their papers, is the most likely outcome.
Fale again. We didn't used to have this problem so why is it happening now?
90% of small boat arrivals were given asylum.
Source the government:
Google 'percent of small boat arrival given asylum'
90% are given asylum because we cannot identify them as not fleeing some sort of persecution. The numbers have overwhelmed us and you really do need to have your head in the sand if you cannot see this.
Reasons, no identity papers and rock solid stories that have worked previously.
I don’t think you will find any sane person who would not want to help a genuine refugee, but equally we need to wise up to the fact we are being played to the tune of £billions a year.
Albanians have decreased so far this year through initiatives from both countries that have deterred more crossings, after all they can simply get on a plane to the UK it is far cheaper than paying £thousands to people smugglers, so why do you think they were doing that?
In what way have these numbers overwhelmed us?
45k people entering the country on small boats with no papers……"
Yeah, but how has that overwhelmed us? A country of 70 million people overwhelmed by 45k. You are going to have to help me out there. |
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"It's shocking.
We are told that lots of these people are violent criminals and not real asylum seekers and now that genuine asylum seekers need to share a room with these people.
People should have some dignity. People should be able to claim asylum outside of the UK before they get here so that they don't have to pay a people smuggler to get here and they don't need to be put up in a hotel for longer than the first night.
That solves the problem cheaply and fairly. This sharing a room nonsense is just there to rule up the usual people. We should also look at the foreign aid budget as to as cut, so it's not like we are helping people to stay close to where they came from.
As it is you have people who have no legal way to get here unless you are Ukrainian, from Hong Kong, or the 23 (ish) people they have admitted from Afghanistan in the last year. I'm no expert on wold affairs but I think that there may be some other places where stuff is going down people may need to flee from.
It is also not true you have to claim asylum in the first safe country before anyone trots that line out.
How would processing asylum requests outside the country remove small boat crossings?
Cos if you have an approved asylum claim you could jump on the Eurostar from France.
I'm with you in having external processing centres but the majority of small boats are Albanians. It's not gonna help as much as you think it is.
Agreed, the small boat method works well for those who are economic migrants, why would they change their access methods.
Overseas asylum would work for genuine cases, but those denied would simply join the small boat queue and ditch their papers, is the most likely outcome.
Fale again. We didn't used to have this problem so why is it happening now?
90% of small boat arrivals were given asylum.
Source the government:
Google 'percent of small boat arrival given asylum'
90% are given asylum because we cannot identify them as not fleeing some sort of persecution. The numbers have overwhelmed us and you really do need to have your head in the sand if you cannot see this.
Reasons, no identity papers and rock solid stories that have worked previously.
I don’t think you will find any sane person who would not want to help a genuine refugee, but equally we need to wise up to the fact we are being played to the tune of £billions a year.
Albanians have decreased so far this year through initiatives from both countries that have deterred more crossings, after all they can simply get on a plane to the UK it is far cheaper than paying £thousands to people smugglers, so why do you think they were doing that?
In what way have these numbers overwhelmed us?
45k people entering the country on small boats with no papers……
Yeah, but how has that overwhelmed us? A country of 70 million people overwhelmed by 45k. You are going to have to help me out there."
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45k people do not 'overwhelm' 70m people. If you really think that's the case then I'm not even sure if worth having the discussion.
When people speak of it being overwhelming, they're clearly speak about services inc. but not limited to schools, doctors, dentists etc.
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"We have a huge problem, £2.5 billion a year problem.
A robust and swift policy is needed to stop the country haemorrhaging this vast amount of money.
In the absence of those policies, if we need temporary fixes such as sharing rooms then so be it and I hope the government stick to this and do not allow pressure to escalate costs even further."
2.5bn was the old cost.
It got closer to about 7bn a year last year. But with deportations may have dipped. |
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"It's shocking.
We are told that lots of these people are violent criminals and not real asylum seekers and now that genuine asylum seekers need to share a room with these people.
People should have some dignity. People should be able to claim asylum outside of the UK before they get here so that they don't have to pay a people smuggler to get here and they don't need to be put up in a hotel for longer than the first night.
That solves the problem cheaply and fairly. This sharing a room nonsense is just there to rule up the usual people. We should also look at the foreign aid budget as to as cut, so it's not like we are helping people to stay close to where they came from.
As it is you have people who have no legal way to get here unless you are Ukrainian, from Hong Kong, or the 23 (ish) people they have admitted from Afghanistan in the last year. I'm no expert on wold affairs but I think that there may be some other places where stuff is going down people may need to flee from.
It is also not true you have to claim asylum in the first safe country before anyone trots that line out.
How would processing asylum requests outside the country remove small boat crossings?
Cos if you have an approved asylum claim you could jump on the Eurostar from France.
I'm with you in having external processing centres but the majority of small boats are Albanians. It's not gonna help as much as you think it is.
185 Albanians have come over this year o small boats. Only 5% of arrivals. So that's just false I am afraid.
Source: the daily mail quoting government figures. Which, as I'm sure you are aware, is hardly likely to spin those figures when immigrants bad is their editorial policy.
Can you show us that link please.
Over 12k Albanians arrived last year."
Around the 30-40k mark I believe |
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"It's shocking.
We are told that lots of these people are violent criminals and not real asylum seekers and now that genuine asylum seekers need to share a room with these people.
People should have some dignity. People should be able to claim asylum outside of the UK before they get here so that they don't have to pay a people smuggler to get here and they don't need to be put up in a hotel for longer than the first night.
That solves the problem cheaply and fairly. This sharing a room nonsense is just there to rule up the usual people. We should also look at the foreign aid budget as to as cut, so it's not like we are helping people to stay close to where they came from.
As it is you have people who have no legal way to get here unless you are Ukrainian, from Hong Kong, or the 23 (ish) people they have admitted from Afghanistan in the last year. I'm no expert on wold affairs but I think that there may be some other places where stuff is going down people may need to flee from.
It is also not true you have to claim asylum in the first safe country before anyone trots that line out.
How would processing asylum requests outside the country remove small boat crossings?
Cos if you have an approved asylum claim you could jump on the Eurostar from France.
I'm with you in having external processing centres but the majority of small boats are Albanians. It's not gonna help as much as you think it is.
Agreed, the small boat method works well for those who are economic migrants, why would they change their access methods.
Overseas asylum would work for genuine cases, but those denied would simply join the small boat queue and ditch their papers, is the most likely outcome.
Fale again. We didn't used to have this problem so why is it happening now?
90% of small boat arrivals were given asylum.
Source the government:
Google 'percent of small boat arrival given asylum'
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Sorry but no
Those given asylum are the backdated arrivals.
Simple question.
Try and answer it.
If some 1 arrives from France. No ID, no history. You can.t determine what country they come from. How do you deport them? |
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"It's shocking.
We are told that lots of these people are violent criminals and not real asylum seekers and now that genuine asylum seekers need to share a room with these people.
People should have some dignity. People should be able to claim asylum outside of the UK before they get here so that they don't have to pay a people smuggler to get here and they don't need to be put up in a hotel for longer than the first night.
That solves the problem cheaply and fairly. This sharing a room nonsense is just there to rule up the usual people. We should also look at the foreign aid budget as to as cut, so it's not like we are helping people to stay close to where they came from.
As it is you have people who have no legal way to get here unless you are Ukrainian, from Hong Kong, or the 23 (ish) people they have admitted from Afghanistan in the last year. I'm no expert on wold affairs but I think that there may be some other places where stuff is going down people may need to flee from.
It is also not true you have to claim asylum in the first safe country before anyone trots that line out.
How would processing asylum requests outside the country remove small boat crossings?
Cos if you have an approved asylum claim you could jump on the Eurostar from France.
I'm with you in having external processing centres but the majority of small boats are Albanians. It's not gonna help as much as you think it is.
185 Albanians have come over this year o small boats. Only 5% of arrivals. So that's just false I am afraid.
Source: the daily mail quoting government figures. Which, as I'm sure you are aware, is hardly likely to spin those figures when immigrants bad is their editorial policy.
Can you show us that link please.
Over 12k Albanians arrived last year.
Around the 30-40k mark I believe"
Official numbers are 12k for Albanians. |
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"It's shocking.
We are told that lots of these people are violent criminals and not real asylum seekers and now that genuine asylum seekers need to share a room with these people.
People should have some dignity. People should be able to claim asylum outside of the UK before they get here so that they don't have to pay a people smuggler to get here and they don't need to be put up in a hotel for longer than the first night.
That solves the problem cheaply and fairly. This sharing a room nonsense is just there to rule up the usual people. We should also look at the foreign aid budget as to as cut, so it's not like we are helping people to stay close to where they came from.
As it is you have people who have no legal way to get here unless you are Ukrainian, from Hong Kong, or the 23 (ish) people they have admitted from Afghanistan in the last year. I'm no expert on wold affairs but I think that there may be some other places where stuff is going down people may need to flee from.
It is also not true you have to claim asylum in the first safe country before anyone trots that line out.
How would processing asylum requests outside the country remove small boat crossings?
Cos if you have an approved asylum claim you could jump on the Eurostar from France.
I'm with you in having external processing centres but the majority of small boats are Albanians. It's not gonna help as much as you think it is.
185 Albanians have come over this year o small boats. Only 5% of arrivals. So that's just false I am afraid.
Source: the daily mail quoting government figures. Which, as I'm sure you are aware, is hardly likely to spin those figures when immigrants bad is their editorial policy.
Can you show us that link please.
Over 12k Albanians arrived last year.
Point of note:
"Of the Albanian migrants who arrived in small boats in 2022, 95% arrived between May and October."
When the season are a bit kinder
We shall see. I'm just using the daily mail to try and show it's not as big an issue as made out.
If there were legal ways to process people outside of the UK we wouldn't have small boats. No Albanians to hide amounts them and everyone is happy.
But nooooo, we got to have this performance which is more expensive, less compassionate, and causes more issues."
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"It's shocking.
We are told that lots of these people are violent criminals and not real asylum seekers and now that genuine asylum seekers need to share a room with these people.
People should have some dignity. People should be able to claim asylum outside of the UK before they get here so that they don't have to pay a people smuggler to get here and they don't need to be put up in a hotel for longer than the first night.
That solves the problem cheaply and fairly. This sharing a room nonsense is just there to rule up the usual people. We should also look at the foreign aid budget as to as cut, so it's not like we are helping people to stay close to where they came from.
As it is you have people who have no legal way to get here unless you are Ukrainian, from Hong Kong, or the 23 (ish) people they have admitted from Afghanistan in the last year. I'm no expert on wold affairs but I think that there may be some other places where stuff is going down people may need to flee from.
It is also not true you have to claim asylum in the first safe country before anyone trots that line out.
How would processing asylum requests outside the country remove small boat crossings?
Cos if you have an approved asylum claim you could jump on the Eurostar from France.
I'm with you in having external processing centres but the majority of small boats are Albanians. It's not gonna help as much as you think it is.
Agreed, the small boat method works well for those who are economic migrants, why would they change their access methods.
Overseas asylum would work for genuine cases, but those denied would simply join the small boat queue and ditch their papers, is the most likely outcome.
Fale again. We didn't used to have this problem so why is it happening now?
90% of small boat arrivals were given asylum.
Source the government:
Google 'percent of small boat arrival given asylum'
90% are given asylum because we cannot identify them as not fleeing some sort of persecution. The numbers have overwhelmed us and you really do need to have your head in the sand if you cannot see this.
Reasons, no identity papers and rock solid stories that have worked previously.
I don’t think you will find any sane person who would not want to help a genuine refugee, but equally we need to wise up to the fact we are being played to the tune of £billions a year.
Albanians have decreased so far this year through initiatives from both countries that have deterred more crossings, after all they can simply get on a plane to the UK it is far cheaper than paying £thousands to people smugglers, so why do you think they were doing that?
In what way have these numbers overwhelmed us?
45k people entering the country on small boats with no papers……
Yeah, but how has that overwhelmed us? A country of 70 million people overwhelmed by 45k. You are going to have to help me out there."
The number of people needing processing in one year with no ID, is what I mean.
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"It's shocking.
We are told that lots of these people are violent criminals and not real asylum seekers and now that genuine asylum seekers need to share a room with these people.
People should have some dignity. People should be able to claim asylum outside of the UK before they get here so that they don't have to pay a people smuggler to get here and they don't need to be put up in a hotel for longer than the first night.
That solves the problem cheaply and fairly. This sharing a room nonsense is just there to rule up the usual people. We should also look at the foreign aid budget as to as cut, so it's not like we are helping people to stay close to where they came from.
As it is you have people who have no legal way to get here unless you are Ukrainian, from Hong Kong, or the 23 (ish) people they have admitted from Afghanistan in the last year. I'm no expert on wold affairs but I think that there may be some other places where stuff is going down people may need to flee from.
It is also not true you have to claim asylum in the first safe country before anyone trots that line out.
How would processing asylum requests outside the country remove small boat crossings?
Cos if you have an approved asylum claim you could jump on the Eurostar from France.
I'm with you in having external processing centres but the majority of small boats are Albanians. It's not gonna help as much as you think it is.
185 Albanians have come over this year o small boats. Only 5% of arrivals. So that's just false I am afraid.
Source: the daily mail quoting government figures. Which, as I'm sure you are aware, is hardly likely to spin those figures when immigrants bad is their editorial policy.
Can you show us that link please.
Over 12k Albanians arrived last year.
Around the 30-40k mark I believe
Official numbers are 12k for Albanians."
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"It's shocking.
We are told that lots of these people are violent criminals and not real asylum seekers and now that genuine asylum seekers need to share a room with these people.
People should have some dignity. People should be able to claim asylum outside of the UK before they get here so that they don't have to pay a people smuggler to get here and they don't need to be put up in a hotel for longer than the first night.
That solves the problem cheaply and fairly. This sharing a room nonsense is just there to rule up the usual people. We should also look at the foreign aid budget as to as cut, so it's not like we are helping people to stay close to where they came from.
As it is you have people who have no legal way to get here unless you are Ukrainian, from Hong Kong, or the 23 (ish) people they have admitted from Afghanistan in the last year. I'm no expert on wold affairs but I think that there may be some other places where stuff is going down people may need to flee from.
It is also not true you have to claim asylum in the first safe country before anyone trots that line out.
How would processing asylum requests outside the country remove small boat crossings?
Cos if you have an approved asylum claim you could jump on the Eurostar from France.
I'm with you in having external processing centres but the majority of small boats are Albanians. It's not gonna help as much as you think it is.
185 Albanians have come over this year o small boats. Only 5% of arrivals. So that's just false I am afraid.
Source: the daily mail quoting government figures. Which, as I'm sure you are aware, is hardly likely to spin those figures when immigrants bad is their editorial policy.
Can you show us that link please.
Over 12k Albanians arrived last year.
Around the 30-40k mark I believe
Official numbers are 12k for Albanians.
My bad wrong number quoting."
No drama it was circa 45k for all, not including Ukraine and HK I believe |
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"45k people do not 'overwhelm' 70m people. If you really think that's the case then I'm not even sure if worth having the discussion.
When people speak of it being overwhelming, they're clearly speak about services inc. but not limited to schools, doctors, dentists etc.
"
How is the link between asylum seekers and poor services proven?
There are just over a thousand towns and cities in the UK. Adding an extra 45 people to each a year should not really have any impact on a well funded system should it. That's the equivalent of a street of ten houses with a mum dad and 2 kids. Just England and Wales towns and cities. |
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"It's shocking.
We are told that lots of these people are violent criminals and not real asylum seekers and now that genuine asylum seekers need to share a room with these people.
People should have some dignity. People should be able to claim asylum outside of the UK before they get here so that they don't have to pay a people smuggler to get here and they don't need to be put up in a hotel for longer than the first night.
That solves the problem cheaply and fairly. This sharing a room nonsense is just there to rule up the usual people. We should also look at the foreign aid budget as to as cut, so it's not like we are helping people to stay close to where they came from.
As it is you have people who have no legal way to get here unless you are Ukrainian, from Hong Kong, or the 23 (ish) people they have admitted from Afghanistan in the last year. I'm no expert on wold affairs but I think that there may be some other places where stuff is going down people may need to flee from.
It is also not true you have to claim asylum in the first safe country before anyone trots that line out.
How would processing asylum requests outside the country remove small boat crossings?
Cos if you have an approved asylum claim you could jump on the Eurostar from France.
I'm with you in having external processing centres but the majority of small boats are Albanians. It's not gonna help as much as you think it is.
Agreed, the small boat method works well for those who are economic migrants, why would they change their access methods.
Overseas asylum would work for genuine cases, but those denied would simply join the small boat queue and ditch their papers, is the most likely outcome.
Fale again. We didn't used to have this problem so why is it happening now?
90% of small boat arrivals were given asylum.
Source the government:
Google 'percent of small boat arrival given asylum'
90% are given asylum because we cannot identify them as not fleeing some sort of persecution. The numbers have overwhelmed us and you really do need to have your head in the sand if you cannot see this.
Reasons, no identity papers and rock solid stories that have worked previously.
I don’t think you will find any sane person who would not want to help a genuine refugee, but equally we need to wise up to the fact we are being played to the tune of £billions a year.
Albanians have decreased so far this year through initiatives from both countries that have deterred more crossings, after all they can simply get on a plane to the UK it is far cheaper than paying £thousands to people smugglers, so why do you think they were doing that?
In what way have these numbers overwhelmed us?
45k people entering the country on small boats with no papers……
Yeah, but how has that overwhelmed us? A country of 70 million people overwhelmed by 45k. You are going to have to help me out there.
The number of people needing processing in one year with no ID, is what I mean.
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Well maybe we should have the processing before people get here like I have said. Cheaper, fairer, and people don't have to destroy documents. If you have a legal route it becomes less likely that people will use illegal routes |
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"It's shocking.
We are told that lots of these people are violent criminals and not real asylum seekers and now that genuine asylum seekers need to share a room with these people.
People should have some dignity. People should be able to claim asylum outside of the UK before they get here so that they don't have to pay a people smuggler to get here and they don't need to be put up in a hotel for longer than the first night.
That solves the problem cheaply and fairly. This sharing a room nonsense is just there to rule up the usual people. We should also look at the foreign aid budget as to as cut, so it's not like we are helping people to stay close to where they came from.
As it is you have people who have no legal way to get here unless you are Ukrainian, from Hong Kong, or the 23 (ish) people they have admitted from Afghanistan in the last year. I'm no expert on wold affairs but I think that there may be some other places where stuff is going down people may need to flee from.
It is also not true you have to claim asylum in the first safe country before anyone trots that line out.
How would processing asylum requests outside the country remove small boat crossings?
Cos if you have an approved asylum claim you could jump on the Eurostar from France.
I'm with you in having external processing centres but the majority of small boats are Albanians. It's not gonna help as much as you think it is.
Agreed, the small boat method works well for those who are economic migrants, why would they change their access methods.
Overseas asylum would work for genuine cases, but those denied would simply join the small boat queue and ditch their papers, is the most likely outcome.
Fale again. We didn't used to have this problem so why is it happening now?
90% of small boat arrivals were given asylum.
Source the government:
Google 'percent of small boat arrival given asylum'
90% are given asylum because we cannot identify them as not fleeing some sort of persecution. The numbers have overwhelmed us and you really do need to have your head in the sand if you cannot see this.
Reasons, no identity papers and rock solid stories that have worked previously.
I don’t think you will find any sane person who would not want to help a genuine refugee, but equally we need to wise up to the fact we are being played to the tune of £billions a year.
Albanians have decreased so far this year through initiatives from both countries that have deterred more crossings, after all they can simply get on a plane to the UK it is far cheaper than paying £thousands to people smugglers, so why do you think they were doing that?
In what way have these numbers overwhelmed us?
45k people entering the country on small boats with no papers……
Yeah, but how has that overwhelmed us? A country of 70 million people overwhelmed by 45k. You are going to have to help me out there.
The number of people needing processing in one year with no ID, is what I mean.
Well maybe we should have the processing before people get here like I have said. Cheaper, fairer, and people don't have to destroy documents. If you have a legal route it becomes less likely that people will use illegal routes "
The small boat route works mainly for economic migrants playing our system, successfully I may add, legitimate asylum seekers it doesn’t help. The small boat routes will still be used as they work, opening up a place to process asylum abroad will not stop the economic migrants and they will continue to destroy their documents because it makes the job of identifying them hard, which increases their chance of being accepted.
We are also only talking about those that are picked up, some arrive undetected
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"45k people do not 'overwhelm' 70m people. If you really think that's the case then I'm not even sure if worth having the discussion.
When people speak of it being overwhelming, they're clearly speak about services inc. but not limited to schools, doctors, dentists etc.
How is the link between asylum seekers and poor services proven?
There are just over a thousand towns and cities in the UK. Adding an extra 45 people to each a year should not really have any impact on a well funded system should it. That's the equivalent of a street of ten houses with a mum dad and 2 kids. Just England and Wales towns and cities. "
They are not all sent to differing Town or cities though are they?
I guarantee you'd argue that we should place them where they have connections.
BTW, you do know these figures are just asylum claims and not the plethora of other types of immigrants. They also do not include Ukrainians or HKs. |
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"It's shocking.
We are told that lots of these people are violent criminals and not real asylum seekers and now that genuine asylum seekers need to share a room with these people.
People should have some dignity. People should be able to claim asylum outside of the UK before they get here so that they don't have to pay a people smuggler to get here and they don't need to be put up in a hotel for longer than the first night.
That solves the problem cheaply and fairly. This sharing a room nonsense is just there to rule up the usual people. We should also look at the foreign aid budget as to as cut, so it's not like we are helping people to stay close to where they came from.
As it is you have people who have no legal way to get here unless you are Ukrainian, from Hong Kong, or the 23 (ish) people they have admitted from Afghanistan in the last year. I'm no expert on wold affairs but I think that there may be some other places where stuff is going down people may need to flee from.
It is also not true you have to claim asylum in the first safe country before anyone trots that line out.
How would processing asylum requests outside the country remove small boat crossings?
Cos if you have an approved asylum claim you could jump on the Eurostar from France.
I'm with you in having external processing centres but the majority of small boats are Albanians. It's not gonna help as much as you think it is.
Agreed, the small boat method works well for those who are economic migrants, why would they change their access methods.
Overseas asylum would work for genuine cases, but those denied would simply join the small boat queue and ditch their papers, is the most likely outcome.
Fale again. We didn't used to have this problem so why is it happening now?
90% of small boat arrivals were given asylum.
Source the government:
Google 'percent of small boat arrival given asylum'
90% are given asylum because we cannot identify them as not fleeing some sort of persecution. The numbers have overwhelmed us and you really do need to have your head in the sand if you cannot see this.
Reasons, no identity papers and rock solid stories that have worked previously.
I don’t think you will find any sane person who would not want to help a genuine refugee, but equally we need to wise up to the fact we are being played to the tune of £billions a year.
Albanians have decreased so far this year through initiatives from both countries that have deterred more crossings, after all they can simply get on a plane to the UK it is far cheaper than paying £thousands to people smugglers, so why do you think they were doing that?
In what way have these numbers overwhelmed us?
45k people entering the country on small boats with no papers……
Yeah, but how has that overwhelmed us? A country of 70 million people overwhelmed by 45k. You are going to have to help me out there.
The number of people needing processing in one year with no ID, is what I mean.
Well maybe we should have the processing before people get here like I have said. Cheaper, fairer, and people don't have to destroy documents. If you have a legal route it becomes less likely that people will use illegal routes
The small boat route works mainly for economic migrants playing our system, successfully I may add, legitimate asylum seekers it doesn’t help. The small boat routes will still be used as they work, opening up a place to process asylum abroad will not stop the economic migrants and they will continue to destroy their documents because it makes the job of identifying them hard, which increases their chance of being accepted.
We are also only talking about those that are picked up, some arrive undetected
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how doesnt it help genuine asylum seekers? For many it's the only option they have... |
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"It's shocking.
We are told that lots of these people are violent criminals and not real asylum seekers and now that genuine asylum seekers need to share a room with these people.
People should have some dignity. People should be able to claim asylum outside of the UK before they get here so that they don't have to pay a people smuggler to get here and they don't need to be put up in a hotel for longer than the first night.
That solves the problem cheaply and fairly. This sharing a room nonsense is just there to rule up the usual people. We should also look at the foreign aid budget as to as cut, so it's not like we are helping people to stay close to where they came from.
As it is you have people who have no legal way to get here unless you are Ukrainian, from Hong Kong, or the 23 (ish) people they have admitted from Afghanistan in the last year. I'm no expert on wold affairs but I think that there may be some other places where stuff is going down people may need to flee from.
It is also not true you have to claim asylum in the first safe country before anyone trots that line out.
How would processing asylum requests outside the country remove small boat crossings?
Cos if you have an approved asylum claim you could jump on the Eurostar from France.
I'm with you in having external processing centres but the majority of small boats are Albanians. It's not gonna help as much as you think it is.
Agreed, the small boat method works well for those who are economic migrants, why would they change their access methods.
Overseas asylum would work for genuine cases, but those denied would simply join the small boat queue and ditch their papers, is the most likely outcome.
Fale again. We didn't used to have this problem so why is it happening now?
90% of small boat arrivals were given asylum.
Source the government:
Google 'percent of small boat arrival given asylum'
90% are given asylum because we cannot identify them as not fleeing some sort of persecution. The numbers have overwhelmed us and you really do need to have your head in the sand if you cannot see this.
Reasons, no identity papers and rock solid stories that have worked previously.
I don’t think you will find any sane person who would not want to help a genuine refugee, but equally we need to wise up to the fact we are being played to the tune of £billions a year.
Albanians have decreased so far this year through initiatives from both countries that have deterred more crossings, after all they can simply get on a plane to the UK it is far cheaper than paying £thousands to people smugglers, so why do you think they were doing that?
In what way have these numbers overwhelmed us?
45k people entering the country on small boats with no papers……
Yeah, but how has that overwhelmed us? A country of 70 million people overwhelmed by 45k. You are going to have to help me out there.
The number of people needing processing in one year with no ID, is what I mean.
Well maybe we should have the processing before people get here like I have said. Cheaper, fairer, and people don't have to destroy documents. If you have a legal route it becomes less likely that people will use illegal routes
The small boat route works mainly for economic migrants playing our system, successfully I may add, legitimate asylum seekers it doesn’t help. The small boat routes will still be used as they work, opening up a place to process asylum abroad will not stop the economic migrants and they will continue to destroy their documents because it makes the job of identifying them hard, which increases their chance of being accepted.
We are also only talking about those that are picked up, some arrive undetected
how doesnt it help genuine asylum seekers? For many it's the only option they have... "
They get stuck into the system, long waits after traumatic times, shortage of housing due to the economic migrant numbers. They are the ones that need looking after, but those who shouldn’t be here don’t give a damn about them, as long as they sneak under the radar and take the support away from those that actually need and deserve it. |
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"It's shocking.
We are told that lots of these people are violent criminals and not real asylum seekers and now that genuine asylum seekers need to share a room with these people.
People should have some dignity. People should be able to claim asylum outside of the UK before they get here so that they don't have to pay a people smuggler to get here and they don't need to be put up in a hotel for longer than the first night.
That solves the problem cheaply and fairly. This sharing a room nonsense is just there to rule up the usual people. We should also look at the foreign aid budget as to as cut, so it's not like we are helping people to stay close to where they came from.
As it is you have people who have no legal way to get here unless you are Ukrainian, from Hong Kong, or the 23 (ish) people they have admitted from Afghanistan in the last year. I'm no expert on wold affairs but I think that there may be some other places where stuff is going down people may need to flee from.
It is also not true you have to claim asylum in the first safe country before anyone trots that line out.
How would processing asylum requests outside the country remove small boat crossings?
Cos if you have an approved asylum claim you could jump on the Eurostar from France.
I'm with you in having external processing centres but the majority of small boats are Albanians. It's not gonna help as much as you think it is.
Agreed, the small boat method works well for those who are economic migrants, why would they change their access methods.
Overseas asylum would work for genuine cases, but those denied would simply join the small boat queue and ditch their papers, is the most likely outcome.
Fale again. We didn't used to have this problem so why is it happening now?
90% of small boat arrivals were given asylum.
Source the government:
Google 'percent of small boat arrival given asylum'
90% are given asylum because we cannot identify them as not fleeing some sort of persecution. The numbers have overwhelmed us and you really do need to have your head in the sand if you cannot see this.
Reasons, no identity papers and rock solid stories that have worked previously.
I don’t think you will find any sane person who would not want to help a genuine refugee, but equally we need to wise up to the fact we are being played to the tune of £billions a year.
Albanians have decreased so far this year through initiatives from both countries that have deterred more crossings, after all they can simply get on a plane to the UK it is far cheaper than paying £thousands to people smugglers, so why do you think they were doing that?
In what way have these numbers overwhelmed us?
45k people entering the country on small boats with no papers……
Yeah, but how has that overwhelmed us? A country of 70 million people overwhelmed by 45k. You are going to have to help me out there.
The number of people needing processing in one year with no ID, is what I mean.
Well maybe we should have the processing before people get here like I have said. Cheaper, fairer, and people don't have to destroy documents. If you have a legal route it becomes less likely that people will use illegal routes
The small boat route works mainly for economic migrants playing our system, successfully I may add, legitimate asylum seekers it doesn’t help. The small boat routes will still be used as they work, opening up a place to process asylum abroad will not stop the economic migrants and they will continue to destroy their documents because it makes the job of identifying them hard, which increases their chance of being accepted.
We are also only talking about those that are picked up, some arrive undetected
how doesnt it help genuine asylum seekers? For many it's the only option they have...
They get stuck into the system, long waits after traumatic times, shortage of housing due to the economic migrant numbers. They are the ones that need looking after, but those who shouldn’t be here don’t give a damn about them, as long as they sneak under the radar and take the support away from those that actually need and deserve it."
aha. See what you mean. The lack of sensible routes does indeed mean that the irregular routes get flooded by those taking advantage. That is always the risk of pushing things underground. That, and criminals get rich. |
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"It's shocking.
We are told that lots of these people are violent criminals and not real asylum seekers and now that genuine asylum seekers need to share a room with these people.
People should have some dignity. People should be able to claim asylum outside of the UK before they get here so that they don't have to pay a people smuggler to get here and they don't need to be put up in a hotel for longer than the first night.
That solves the problem cheaply and fairly. This sharing a room nonsense is just there to rule up the usual people. We should also look at the foreign aid budget as to as cut, so it's not like we are helping people to stay close to where they came from.
As it is you have people who have no legal way to get here unless you are Ukrainian, from Hong Kong, or the 23 (ish) people they have admitted from Afghanistan in the last year. I'm no expert on wold affairs but I think that there may be some other places where stuff is going down people may need to flee from.
It is also not true you have to claim asylum in the first safe country before anyone trots that line out.
How would processing asylum requests outside the country remove small boat crossings?
Cos if you have an approved asylum claim you could jump on the Eurostar from France.
I'm with you in having external processing centres but the majority of small boats are Albanians. It's not gonna help as much as you think it is.
Agreed, the small boat method works well for those who are economic migrants, why would they change their access methods.
Overseas asylum would work for genuine cases, but those denied would simply join the small boat queue and ditch their papers, is the most likely outcome.
Fale again. We didn't used to have this problem so why is it happening now?
90% of small boat arrivals were given asylum.
Source the government:
Google 'percent of small boat arrival given asylum'
90% are given asylum because we cannot identify them as not fleeing some sort of persecution. The numbers have overwhelmed us and you really do need to have your head in the sand if you cannot see this.
Reasons, no identity papers and rock solid stories that have worked previously.
I don’t think you will find any sane person who would not want to help a genuine refugee, but equally we need to wise up to the fact we are being played to the tune of £billions a year.
Albanians have decreased so far this year through initiatives from both countries that have deterred more crossings, after all they can simply get on a plane to the UK it is far cheaper than paying £thousands to people smugglers, so why do you think they were doing that?
In what way have these numbers overwhelmed us?
45k people entering the country on small boats with no papers……
Yeah, but how has that overwhelmed us? A country of 70 million people overwhelmed by 45k. You are going to have to help me out there.
The number of people needing processing in one year with no ID, is what I mean.
Well maybe we should have the processing before people get here like I have said. Cheaper, fairer, and people don't have to destroy documents. If you have a legal route it becomes less likely that people will use illegal routes "
Again a question I asked on these forums no one had an answer to.
What do you think haple s when we process them and they fail?
They just stay in France? |
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"It's shocking.
We are told that lots of these people are violent criminals and not real asylum seekers and now that genuine asylum seekers need to share a room with these people.
People should have some dignity. People should be able to claim asylum outside of the UK before they get here so that they don't have to pay a people smuggler to get here and they don't need to be put up in a hotel for longer than the first night.
That solves the problem cheaply and fairly. This sharing a room nonsense is just there to rule up the usual people. We should also look at the foreign aid budget as to as cut, so it's not like we are helping people to stay close to where they came from.
As it is you have people who have no legal way to get here unless you are Ukrainian, from Hong Kong, or the 23 (ish) people they have admitted from Afghanistan in the last year. I'm no expert on wold affairs but I think that there may be some other places where stuff is going down people may need to flee from.
It is also not true you have to claim asylum in the first safe country before anyone trots that line out.
How would processing asylum requests outside the country remove small boat crossings?
Cos if you have an approved asylum claim you could jump on the Eurostar from France.
I'm with you in having external processing centres but the majority of small boats are Albanians. It's not gonna help as much as you think it is.
Agreed, the small boat method works well for those who are economic migrants, why would they change their access methods.
Overseas asylum would work for genuine cases, but those denied would simply join the small boat queue and ditch their papers, is the most likely outcome.
Fale again. We didn't used to have this problem so why is it happening now?
90% of small boat arrivals were given asylum.
Source the government:
Google 'percent of small boat arrival given asylum'
90% are given asylum because we cannot identify them as not fleeing some sort of persecution. The numbers have overwhelmed us and you really do need to have your head in the sand if you cannot see this.
Reasons, no identity papers and rock solid stories that have worked previously.
I don’t think you will find any sane person who would not want to help a genuine refugee, but equally we need to wise up to the fact we are being played to the tune of £billions a year.
Albanians have decreased so far this year through initiatives from both countries that have deterred more crossings, after all they can simply get on a plane to the UK it is far cheaper than paying £thousands to people smugglers, so why do you think they were doing that?
In what way have these numbers overwhelmed us?
45k people entering the country on small boats with no papers……
Yeah, but how has that overwhelmed us? A country of 70 million people overwhelmed by 45k. You are going to have to help me out there.
The number of people needing processing in one year with no ID, is what I mean.
Well maybe we should have the processing before people get here like I have said. Cheaper, fairer, and people don't have to destroy documents. If you have a legal route it becomes less likely that people will use illegal routes
Again a question I asked on these forums no one had an answer to.
What do you think haple s when we process them and they fail?
They just stay in France?"
Well, yeah or come illegally and we should be able to return them...except the government dosnt have agreement to return people since we left a certain large European organisation.
Most western European countries take more refugees than us anyway. |
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"It's shocking.
We are told that lots of these people are violent criminals and not real asylum seekers and now that genuine asylum seekers need to share a room with these people.
People should have some dignity. People should be able to claim asylum outside of the UK before they get here so that they don't have to pay a people smuggler to get here and they don't need to be put up in a hotel for longer than the first night.
That solves the problem cheaply and fairly. This sharing a room nonsense is just there to rule up the usual people. We should also look at the foreign aid budget as to as cut, so it's not like we are helping people to stay close to where they came from.
As it is you have people who have no legal way to get here unless you are Ukrainian, from Hong Kong, or the 23 (ish) people they have admitted from Afghanistan in the last year. I'm no expert on wold affairs but I think that there may be some other places where stuff is going down people may need to flee from.
It is also not true you have to claim asylum in the first safe country before anyone trots that line out.
How would processing asylum requests outside the country remove small boat crossings?
Cos if you have an approved asylum claim you could jump on the Eurostar from France.
I'm with you in having external processing centres but the majority of small boats are Albanians. It's not gonna help as much as you think it is.
Agreed, the small boat method works well for those who are economic migrants, why would they change their access methods.
Overseas asylum would work for genuine cases, but those denied would simply join the small boat queue and ditch their papers, is the most likely outcome.
Fale again. We didn't used to have this problem so why is it happening now?
90% of small boat arrivals were given asylum.
Source the government:
Google 'percent of small boat arrival given asylum'
90% are given asylum because we cannot identify them as not fleeing some sort of persecution. The numbers have overwhelmed us and you really do need to have your head in the sand if you cannot see this.
Reasons, no identity papers and rock solid stories that have worked previously.
I don’t think you will find any sane person who would not want to help a genuine refugee, but equally we need to wise up to the fact we are being played to the tune of £billions a year.
Albanians have decreased so far this year through initiatives from both countries that have deterred more crossings, after all they can simply get on a plane to the UK it is far cheaper than paying £thousands to people smugglers, so why do you think they were doing that?
In what way have these numbers overwhelmed us?
45k people entering the country on small boats with no papers……
Yeah, but how has that overwhelmed us? A country of 70 million people overwhelmed by 45k. You are going to have to help me out there.
The number of people needing processing in one year with no ID, is what I mean.
Well maybe we should have the processing before people get here like I have said. Cheaper, fairer, and people don't have to destroy documents. If you have a legal route it becomes less likely that people will use illegal routes
Again a question I asked on these forums no one had an answer to.
What do you think haple s when we process them and they fail?
They just stay in France?
Well, yeah or come illegally and we should be able to return them...except the government dosnt have agreement to return people since we left a certain large European organisation.
Most western European countries take more refugees than us anyway."
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"It's shocking.
We are told that lots of these people are violent criminals and not real asylum seekers and now that genuine asylum seekers need to share a room with these people.
People should have some dignity. People should be able to claim asylum outside of the UK before they get here so that they don't have to pay a people smuggler to get here and they don't need to be put up in a hotel for longer than the first night.
That solves the problem cheaply and fairly. This sharing a room nonsense is just there to rule up the usual people. We should also look at the foreign aid budget as to as cut, so it's not like we are helping people to stay close to where they came from.
As it is you have people who have no legal way to get here unless you are Ukrainian, from Hong Kong, or the 23 (ish) people they have admitted from Afghanistan in the last year. I'm no expert on wold affairs but I think that there may be some other places where stuff is going down people may need to flee from.
It is also not true you have to claim asylum in the first safe country before anyone trots that line out.
How would processing asylum requests outside the country remove small boat crossings?
Cos if you have an approved asylum claim you could jump on the Eurostar from France.
I'm with you in having external processing centres but the majority of small boats are Albanians. It's not gonna help as much as you think it is.
Agreed, the small boat method works well for those who are economic migrants, why would they change their access methods.
Overseas asylum would work for genuine cases, but those denied would simply join the small boat queue and ditch their papers, is the most likely outcome.
Fale again. We didn't used to have this problem so why is it happening now?
90% of small boat arrivals were given asylum.
Source the government:
Google 'percent of small boat arrival given asylum'
90% are given asylum because we cannot identify them as not fleeing some sort of persecution. The numbers have overwhelmed us and you really do need to have your head in the sand if you cannot see this.
Reasons, no identity papers and rock solid stories that have worked previously.
I don’t think you will find any sane person who would not want to help a genuine refugee, but equally we need to wise up to the fact we are being played to the tune of £billions a year.
Albanians have decreased so far this year through initiatives from both countries that have deterred more crossings, after all they can simply get on a plane to the UK it is far cheaper than paying £thousands to people smugglers, so why do you think they were doing that?
In what way have these numbers overwhelmed us?
45k people entering the country on small boats with no papers……
Yeah, but how has that overwhelmed us? A country of 70 million people overwhelmed by 45k. You are going to have to help me out there.
The number of people needing processing in one year with no ID, is what I mean.
Well maybe we should have the processing before people get here like I have said. Cheaper, fairer, and people don't have to destroy documents. If you have a legal route it becomes less likely that people will use illegal routes
Again a question I asked on these forums no one had an answer to.
What do you think haple s when we process them and they fail?
They just stay in France?
Well, yeah or come illegally and we should be able to return them...except the government dosnt have agreement to return people since we left a certain large European organisation.
Most western European countries take more refugees than us anyway.
How do you return people who you cannot identify?"
How we do it now? |
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"It's shocking.
We are told that lots of these people are violent criminals and not real asylum seekers and now that genuine asylum seekers need to share a room with these people.
People should have some dignity. People should be able to claim asylum outside of the UK before they get here so that they don't have to pay a people smuggler to get here and they don't need to be put up in a hotel for longer than the first night.
That solves the problem cheaply and fairly. This sharing a room nonsense is just there to rule up the usual people. We should also look at the foreign aid budget as to as cut, so it's not like we are helping people to stay close to where they came from.
As it is you have people who have no legal way to get here unless you are Ukrainian, from Hong Kong, or the 23 (ish) people they have admitted from Afghanistan in the last year. I'm no expert on wold affairs but I think that there may be some other places where stuff is going down people may need to flee from.
It is also not true you have to claim asylum in the first safe country before anyone trots that line out.
How would processing asylum requests outside the country remove small boat crossings?
Cos if you have an approved asylum claim you could jump on the Eurostar from France.
I'm with you in having external processing centres but the majority of small boats are Albanians. It's not gonna help as much as you think it is.
Agreed, the small boat method works well for those who are economic migrants, why would they change their access methods.
Overseas asylum would work for genuine cases, but those denied would simply join the small boat queue and ditch their papers, is the most likely outcome.
Fale again. We didn't used to have this problem so why is it happening now?
90% of small boat arrivals were given asylum.
Source the government:
Google 'percent of small boat arrival given asylum'
90% are given asylum because we cannot identify them as not fleeing some sort of persecution. The numbers have overwhelmed us and you really do need to have your head in the sand if you cannot see this.
Reasons, no identity papers and rock solid stories that have worked previously.
I don’t think you will find any sane person who would not want to help a genuine refugee, but equally we need to wise up to the fact we are being played to the tune of £billions a year.
Albanians have decreased so far this year through initiatives from both countries that have deterred more crossings, after all they can simply get on a plane to the UK it is far cheaper than paying £thousands to people smugglers, so why do you think they were doing that?
In what way have these numbers overwhelmed us?
45k people entering the country on small boats with no papers……
Yeah, but how has that overwhelmed us? A country of 70 million people overwhelmed by 45k. You are going to have to help me out there.
The number of people needing processing in one year with no ID, is what I mean.
Well maybe we should have the processing before people get here like I have said. Cheaper, fairer, and people don't have to destroy documents. If you have a legal route it becomes less likely that people will use illegal routes
Again a question I asked on these forums no one had an answer to.
What do you think haple s when we process them and they fail?
They just stay in France?
Well, yeah or come illegally and we should be able to return them...except the government dosnt have agreement to return people since we left a certain large European organisation.
Most western European countries take more refugees than us anyway.
How do you return people who you cannot identify?
How we do it now? "
I'm not sure you quite understand.
The reason for the massive backlogs is because its difficult to identify. We cannot send anyone back until they're identified.
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"False again.
It's about the system.
https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/research-briefings/cbp-9737/#:~:text=How%20have%20asylum%20delays%20changed,2022%2C%20from%2070%2C000%20to%20166%2C300.
"
You should probably read material before using it as a point of reference 
Why are asylum delays increasing?
The Government accepts that the backlog of asylum decisions is too high. Its position is that an increased number of asylum applications, ""the complexity of some of the claims"" and declining caseworker productivity have caused the backlog.
See what I have put in the double inverted
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"False again.
It's about the system.
https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/research-briefings/cbp-9737/#:~:text=How%20have%20asylum%20delays%20changed,2022%2C%20from%2070%2C000%20to%20166%2C300.
You should probably read material before using it as a point of reference
Why are asylum delays increasing?
The Government accepts that the backlog of asylum decisions is too high. Its position is that an increased number of asylum applications, ""the complexity of some of the claims"" and declining caseworker productivity have caused the backlog.
See what I have put in the double inverted
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what's needed to identify someone to send them back other than the nationality they say they are ? |
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"False again.
It's about the system.
https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/research-briefings/cbp-9737/#:~:text=How%20have%20asylum%20delays%20changed,2022%2C%20from%2070%2C000%20to%20166%2C300.
You should probably read material before using it as a point of reference
Why are asylum delays increasing?
The Government accepts that the backlog of asylum decisions is too high. Its position is that an increased number of asylum applications, ""the complexity of some of the claims"" and declining caseworker productivity have caused the backlog.
See what I have put in the double inverted
what's needed to identify someone to send them back other than the nationality they say they are ? "
If I rock up in France with no paperwork and tell them I'm Australian, will they send me to Australia no questions asked?
I might try it if it's that easy.
Or maybe they can just turn up and say they're British |
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"False again.
It's about the system.
https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/research-briefings/cbp-9737/#:~:text=How%20have%20asylum%20delays%20changed,2022%2C%20from%2070%2C000%20to%20166%2C300.
You should probably read material before using it as a point of reference
Why are asylum delays increasing?
The Government accepts that the backlog of asylum decisions is too high. Its position is that an increased number of asylum applications, ""the complexity of some of the claims"" and declining caseworker productivity have caused the backlog.
See what I have put in the double inverted
what's needed to identify someone to send them back other than the nationality they say they are ?
If I rock up in France with no paperwork and tell them I'm Australian, will they send me to Australia no questions asked?
I might try it if it's that easy.
Or maybe they can just turn up and say they're British "
but we "know" most are Albanian so that makes life easy... Unless we are now saying they might not be. On which case I'm very lost who is coming over ! |
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"It's shocking.
We are told that lots of these people are violent criminals and not real asylum seekers and now that genuine asylum seekers need to share a room with these people.
People should have some dignity. People should be able to claim asylum outside of the UK before they get here so that they don't have to pay a people smuggler to get here and they don't need to be put up in a hotel for longer than the first night.
That solves the problem cheaply and fairly. This sharing a room nonsense is just there to rule up the usual people. We should also look at the foreign aid budget as to as cut, so it's not like we are helping people to stay close to where they came from.
As it is you have people who have no legal way to get here unless you are Ukrainian, from Hong Kong, or the 23 (ish) people they have admitted from Afghanistan in the last year. I'm no expert on wold affairs but I think that there may be some other places where stuff is going down people may need to flee from.
It is also not true you have to claim asylum in the first safe country before anyone trots that line out.
How would processing asylum requests outside the country remove small boat crossings?
Cos if you have an approved asylum claim you could jump on the Eurostar from France.
I'm with you in having external processing centres but the majority of small boats are Albanians. It's not gonna help as much as you think it is.
Agreed, the small boat method works well for those who are economic migrants, why would they change their access methods.
Overseas asylum would work for genuine cases, but those denied would simply join the small boat queue and ditch their papers, is the most likely outcome.
Fale again. We didn't used to have this problem so why is it happening now?
90% of small boat arrivals were given asylum.
Source the government:
Google 'percent of small boat arrival given asylum'
90% are given asylum because we cannot identify them as not fleeing some sort of persecution. The numbers have overwhelmed us and you really do need to have your head in the sand if you cannot see this.
Reasons, no identity papers and rock solid stories that have worked previously.
I don’t think you will find any sane person who would not want to help a genuine refugee, but equally we need to wise up to the fact we are being played to the tune of £billions a year.
Albanians have decreased so far this year through initiatives from both countries that have deterred more crossings, after all they can simply get on a plane to the UK it is far cheaper than paying £thousands to people smugglers, so why do you think they were doing that?
In what way have these numbers overwhelmed us?
45k people entering the country on small boats with no papers……
Yeah, but how has that overwhelmed us? A country of 70 million people overwhelmed by 45k. You are going to have to help me out there.
The number of people needing processing in one year with no ID, is what I mean.
Well maybe we should have the processing before people get here like I have said. Cheaper, fairer, and people don't have to destroy documents. If you have a legal route it becomes less likely that people will use illegal routes
Again a question I asked on these forums no one had an answer to.
What do you think haple s when we process them and they fail?
They just stay in France?
Well, yeah or come illegally and we should be able to return them...except the government dosnt have agreement to return people since we left a certain large European organisation.
Most western European countries take more refugees than us anyway."
Return them where. France. They'd then stay in France. This wil be no different from Rwanda plan
What do you think happens when we deport them to France? |
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"False again.
It's about the system.
https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/research-briefings/cbp-9737/#:~:text=How%20have%20asylum%20delays%20changed,2022%2C%20from%2070%2C000%20to%20166%2C300.
You should probably read material before using it as a point of reference
Why are asylum delays increasing?
The Government accepts that the backlog of asylum decisions is too high. Its position is that an increased number of asylum applications, ""the complexity of some of the claims"" and declining caseworker productivity have caused the backlog.
See what I have put in the double inverted
what's needed to identify someone to send them back other than the nationality they say they are ?
If I rock up in France with no paperwork and tell them I'm Australian, will they send me to Australia no questions asked?
I might try it if it's that easy.
Or maybe they can just turn up and say they're British but we "know" most are Albanian so that makes life easy... Unless we are now saying they might not be. On which case I'm very lost who is coming over ! "
I don't know what you 'know', the data says 12k Albanians last year. We're now sending Albanians back. |
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"False again.
It's about the system.
https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/research-briefings/cbp-9737/#:~:text=How%20have%20asylum%20delays%20changed,2022%2C%20from%2070%2C000%20to%20166%2C300.
You should probably read material before using it as a point of reference
Why are asylum delays increasing?
The Government accepts that the backlog of asylum decisions is too high. Its position is that an increased number of asylum applications, ""the complexity of some of the claims"" and declining caseworker productivity have caused the backlog.
See what I have put in the double inverted
what's needed to identify someone to send them back other than the nationality they say they are ?
If I rock up in France with no paperwork and tell them I'm Australian, will they send me to Australia no questions asked?
I might try it if it's that easy.
Or maybe they can just turn up and say they're British but we "know" most are Albanian so that makes life easy... Unless we are now saying they might not be. On which case I'm very lost who is coming over !
I don't know what you 'know', the data says 12k Albanians last year. We're now sending Albanians back."
that should have been 12k easy cases then. |
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If people cannot recognise that there are thousands of economic migrants blocking up the system, making life harder for real asylum seekers and costing the UK tax payers £billions per year, we will always be in this mess.
Pretending the money is irrelevant, that others take in more so we it is okay for us to do so, or everyone crossing the channel is escaping persecution or wars is deluded and brings nothing to the table.
Clear thinking and positive action is needed to protect asylum seekers, remove criminals and reduce the burden on the tax payer, which money then can start to be used to support people in this country who really need help. |
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"False again.
It's about the system.
https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/research-briefings/cbp-9737/#:~:text=How%20have%20asylum%20delays%20changed,2022%2C%20from%2070%2C000%20to%20166%2C300.
You should probably read material before using it as a point of reference
Why are asylum delays increasing?
The Government accepts that the backlog of asylum decisions is too high. Its position is that an increased number of asylum applications, ""the complexity of some of the claims"" and declining caseworker productivity have caused the backlog.
See what I have put in the double inverted
what's needed to identify someone to send them back other than the nationality they say they are ?
If I rock up in France with no paperwork and tell them I'm Australian, will they send me to Australia no questions asked?
I might try it if it's that easy.
Or maybe they can just turn up and say they're British but we "know" most are Albanian so that makes life easy... Unless we are now saying they might not be. On which case I'm very lost who is coming over !
I don't know what you 'know', the data says 12k Albanians last year. We're now sending Albanians back.that should have been 12k easy cases then. "
Not so easy when they say they can't be returned because the traffickers will kill them if they are sent back |
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"False again.
It's about the system.
https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/research-briefings/cbp-9737/#:~:text=How%20have%20asylum%20delays%20changed,2022%2C%20from%2070%2C000%20to%20166%2C300.
You should probably read material before using it as a point of reference
Why are asylum delays increasing?
The Government accepts that the backlog of asylum decisions is too high. Its position is that an increased number of asylum applications, ""the complexity of some of the claims"" and declining caseworker productivity have caused the backlog.
See what I have put in the double inverted
what's needed to identify someone to send them back other than the nationality they say they are ?
If I rock up in France with no paperwork and tell them I'm Australian, will they send me to Australia no questions asked?
I might try it if it's that easy.
Or maybe they can just turn up and say they're British but we "know" most are Albanian so that makes life easy... Unless we are now saying they might not be. On which case I'm very lost who is coming over !
I don't know what you 'know', the data says 12k Albanians last year. We're now sending Albanians back.that should have been 12k easy cases then. "
They still have to be processed. Although I believe most are economic migrants, there is no doubt genuine asylum cases amongst those too.
Unless we're saying just send them all back? You're a brave man if that's your stance |
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By *otMe66Man
over a year ago
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"False again.
It's about the system.
https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/research-briefings/cbp-9737/#:~:text=How%20have%20asylum%20delays%20changed,2022%2C%20from%2070%2C000%20to%20166%2C300.
You should probably read material before using it as a point of reference
Why are asylum delays increasing?
The Government accepts that the backlog of asylum decisions is too high. Its position is that an increased number of asylum applications, ""the complexity of some of the claims"" and declining caseworker productivity have caused the backlog.
See what I have put in the double inverted
what's needed to identify someone to send them back other than the nationality they say they are ?
If I rock up in France with no paperwork and tell them I'm Australian, will they send me to Australia no questions asked?
I might try it if it's that easy.
Or maybe they can just turn up and say they're British but we "know" most are Albanian so that makes life easy... Unless we are now saying they might not be. On which case I'm very lost who is coming over !
I don't know what you 'know', the data says 12k Albanians last year. We're now sending Albanians back.that should have been 12k easy cases then. "
Nothing is easy, they have cracked the code... tell our authorities they are in fear of human sl@very and bingo! It has worked once meaning it will work again and again....
The Albanian Prime Minister has spoken out on this very subject and luckily has promised to work with the UK to get those crossing in boats back to Albania. |
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"False again.
It's about the system.
https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/research-briefings/cbp-9737/#:~:text=How%20have%20asylum%20delays%20changed,2022%2C%20from%2070%2C000%20to%20166%2C300.
You should probably read material before using it as a point of reference
Why are asylum delays increasing?
The Government accepts that the backlog of asylum decisions is too high. Its position is that an increased number of asylum applications, ""the complexity of some of the claims"" and declining caseworker productivity have caused the backlog.
See what I have put in the double inverted
what's needed to identify someone to send them back other than the nationality they say they are ?
If I rock up in France with no paperwork and tell them I'm Australian, will they send me to Australia no questions asked?
I might try it if it's that easy.
Or maybe they can just turn up and say they're British but we "know" most are Albanian so that makes life easy... Unless we are now saying they might not be. On which case I'm very lost who is coming over !
I don't know what you 'know', the data says 12k Albanians last year. We're now sending Albanians back.that should have been 12k easy cases then.
They still have to be processed. Although I believe most are economic migrants, there is no doubt genuine asylum cases amongst those too.
Unless we're saying just send them all back? You're a brave man if that's your stance "
 not quite.
I'm just challenging if they are complex cases. (I still have no idea on what basis Albanians are even claiming asylum on to make their case complex) |
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"False again.
It's about the system.
https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/research-briefings/cbp-9737/#:~:text=How%20have%20asylum%20delays%20changed,2022%2C%20from%2070%2C000%20to%20166%2C300.
You should probably read material before using it as a point of reference
Why are asylum delays increasing?
The Government accepts that the backlog of asylum decisions is too high. Its position is that an increased number of asylum applications, ""the complexity of some of the claims"" and declining caseworker productivity have caused the backlog.
See what I have put in the double inverted
what's needed to identify someone to send them back other than the nationality they say they are ?
If I rock up in France with no paperwork and tell them I'm Australian, will they send me to Australia no questions asked?
I might try it if it's that easy.
Or maybe they can just turn up and say they're British but we "know" most are Albanian so that makes life easy... Unless we are now saying they might not be. On which case I'm very lost who is coming over !
I don't know what you 'know', the data says 12k Albanians last year. We're now sending Albanians back.that should have been 12k easy cases then.
They still have to be processed. Although I believe most are economic migrants, there is no doubt genuine asylum cases amongst those too.
Unless we're saying just send them all back? You're a brave man if that's your stance not quite.
I'm just challenging if they are complex cases. (I still have no idea on what basis Albanians are even claiming asylum on to make their case complex) "
From what we know they claim they are fleeing persecution and are in fear for their lives. Very difficult to prove one way or the other.
Imagine getting it wrong because of a blasé attitude and them turning up dead. Wouldn't look very good on our authorities now would it. |
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"False again.
It's about the system.
https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/research-briefings/cbp-9737/#:~:text=How%20have%20asylum%20delays%20changed,2022%2C%20from%2070%2C000%20to%20166%2C300.
You should probably read material before using it as a point of reference
Why are asylum delays increasing?
The Government accepts that the backlog of asylum decisions is too high. Its position is that an increased number of asylum applications, ""the complexity of some of the claims"" and declining caseworker productivity have caused the backlog.
See what I have put in the double inverted
what's needed to identify someone to send them back other than the nationality they say they are ?
If I rock up in France with no paperwork and tell them I'm Australian, will they send me to Australia no questions asked?
I might try it if it's that easy.
Or maybe they can just turn up and say they're British but we "know" most are Albanian so that makes life easy... Unless we are now saying they might not be. On which case I'm very lost who is coming over !
I don't know what you 'know', the data says 12k Albanians last year. We're now sending Albanians back.that should have been 12k easy cases then.
They still have to be processed. Although I believe most are economic migrants, there is no doubt genuine asylum cases amongst those too.
Unless we're saying just send them all back? You're a brave man if that's your stance not quite.
I'm just challenging if they are complex cases. (I still have no idea on what basis Albanians are even claiming asylum on to make their case complex)
From what we know they claim they are fleeing persecution and are in fear for their lives. Very difficult to prove one way or the other.
Imagine getting it wrong because of a blasé attitude and them turning up dead. Wouldn't look very good on our authorities now would it."
but as people say, this is a safe country. So it should be easier to establish. After all they would need to give some specifics.
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"False again.
It's about the system.
https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/research-briefings/cbp-9737/#:~:text=How%20have%20asylum%20delays%20changed,2022%2C%20from%2070%2C000%20to%20166%2C300.
You should probably read material before using it as a point of reference
Why are asylum delays increasing?
The Government accepts that the backlog of asylum decisions is too high. Its position is that an increased number of asylum applications, ""the complexity of some of the claims"" and declining caseworker productivity have caused the backlog.
See what I have put in the double inverted
what's needed to identify someone to send them back other than the nationality they say they are ?
If I rock up in France with no paperwork and tell them I'm Australian, will they send me to Australia no questions asked?
I might try it if it's that easy.
Or maybe they can just turn up and say they're British but we "know" most are Albanian so that makes life easy... Unless we are now saying they might not be. On which case I'm very lost who is coming over !
I don't know what you 'know', the data says 12k Albanians last year. We're now sending Albanians back.that should have been 12k easy cases then.
They still have to be processed. Although I believe most are economic migrants, there is no doubt genuine asylum cases amongst those too.
Unless we're saying just send them all back? You're a brave man if that's your stance not quite.
I'm just challenging if they are complex cases. (I still have no idea on what basis Albanians are even claiming asylum on to make their case complex)
From what we know they claim they are fleeing persecution and are in fear for their lives. Very difficult to prove one way or the other.
Imagine getting it wrong because of a blasé attitude and them turning up dead. Wouldn't look very good on our authorities now would it.but as people say, this is a safe country. So it should be easier to establish. After all they would need to give some specifics.
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Of course but these specifics need to be investigated.
I'm pretty sure you're playing devil's advocate here but if anyone genuinely believes these people don't know what to say, I'd say those people are very very naive |
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"False again.
It's about the system.
https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/research-briefings/cbp-9737/#:~:text=How%20have%20asylum%20delays%20changed,2022%2C%20from%2070%2C000%20to%20166%2C300.
You should probably read material before using it as a point of reference
Why are asylum delays increasing?
The Government accepts that the backlog of asylum decisions is too high. Its position is that an increased number of asylum applications, ""the complexity of some of the claims"" and declining caseworker productivity have caused the backlog.
See what I have put in the double inverted
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I've seen that and did read it. Hence me using it please dont be passive agressive.
Some of the claims could be a thousand, it could be 3.
None of that means that people should share, none of that means we are overwhelmed. it's a classic bit of distract and wordplay to let people interpret what they want.
'This week, the Home Affairs Select Committee (this is a group of Members of Parliament who are responsible for checking the work of the Home Office) revealed that of all the people who arrived in the UK by boat and claimed asylum in 2021, only 4% of claims have been processed by the Home Office. That means that 96% of people who arrived in the UK by boat in 2021 have not yet received a decision from the Home Office on their asylum claims. We are now in the final months of 2022. '
This was obviously last year. The evidence is they are stopping making decisions, saying there is a backlog, now they have to share and hope desperate people go elsewhere.
We can sort this out. We used to. That it's not happening is a choice.
Think why the government would make that choice. |
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"False again.
It's about the system.
https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/research-briefings/cbp-9737/#:~:text=How%20have%20asylum%20delays%20changed,2022%2C%20from%2070%2C000%20to%20166%2C300.
You should probably read material before using it as a point of reference
Why are asylum delays increasing?
The Government accepts that the backlog of asylum decisions is too high. Its position is that an increased number of asylum applications, ""the complexity of some of the claims"" and declining caseworker productivity have caused the backlog.
See what I have put in the double inverted
I've seen that and did read it. Hence me using it please dont be passive agressive.
Some of the claims could be a thousand, it could be 3.
None of that means that people should share, none of that means we are overwhelmed. it's a classic bit of distract and wordplay to let people interpret what they want.
'This week, the Home Affairs Select Committee (this is a group of Members of Parliament who are responsible for checking the work of the Home Office) revealed that of all the people who arrived in the UK by boat and claimed asylum in 2021, only 4% of claims have been processed by the Home Office. That means that 96% of people who arrived in the UK by boat in 2021 have not yet received a decision from the Home Office on their asylum claims. We are now in the final months of 2022. '
This was obviously last year. The evidence is they are stopping making decisions, saying there is a backlog, now they have to share and hope desperate people go elsewhere.
We can sort this out. We used to. That it's not happening is a choice.
Think why the government would make that choice. "
Did you just ask me to stop being passive aggressive whilst having earlier told me 'wrong again' without considering all of the information available?
Is it possible that we both have valued points? Is it possible that some of the claims could be thousands? Is it possible that it is a difficult decision that needs making?
You see my point here, I've already said, of course there will be genuine cases. I don't know the exact reasons for delays, I'm pretty sure you don't either.
It really isn't as simple as you seem to think it is. |
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By *eroy1000 OP Man
over a year ago
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Well I read today that the figures for Jan to march are slightly less than the same period last year. Also as a few agreements are in place with a few countries the ones that have their claims denied and are identified are now being returned. The real test comes now with the improving weather. Anyway is it reasonable to expect people who claim they have just escaped war or persecution to share a room? |
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Adults share rooms in the armed forces, and other jobs (working away in construction) and at some university accommodation. If you are seeking asylum you get what you get and you're grateful. Otherwise it just shows that they aren't genuine asylum claimants to be fair. |
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We know the time to deal with asylum seekers is atrocious. We know some of the asylum seekers have gone through safe countries before they reach the UK. We know the amount spent on providing bed and shelter is humongous.
We also know that anyone who is destitute and risked their lives would be grateful for a bed, shelter and food and wouldn't refuse it cos they have to share with another.
They don't like it, bye bye! |
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