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Dave Penman, the leader of the FDA trade union, which represents senior civil servants, said: "It doesn't surprise me that she wouldn't take part in the process when she's going through Acoba.
"Acoba is really the real deal when it comes to this and who's going to make a decision. And it really should be, because it isn't doing it for political ends. It's doing it based on evidence, and I can understand why she'd prioritise that."  |
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She provided information confidentially to the internal body responsible for oversight on senior civil servants taking up roles post civil service. It appears to have been shared with Simon Case who appears to have leaked it and has been briefing against her by sharing info with media. |
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I can't be bothered to quote you both.
I'd just like to say thanks for the info, seems like this is just spin from the cabinet office and Sue Gray is co-operating, just not with them.
I should delve further before posting.
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I'm sure she has done nothing wrong, it's perfectly normal for a senior civil servant engaged in ethics oversight to jump ship for a political party. Doesn't look dodgy at all.
Probably little difference working for the Labour Party and the Civil Service, they seem to have morphed into the same thing.
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"I'm sure she has done nothing wrong, it's perfectly normal for a senior civil servant engaged in ethics oversight to jump ship for a political party. Doesn't look dodgy at all.
Probably little difference working for the Labour Party and the Civil Service, they seem to have morphed into the same thing.
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You need to stop reading the daily mail and watching GB News |
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"I'm sure she has done nothing wrong, it's perfectly normal for a senior civil servant engaged in ethics oversight to jump ship for a political party. Doesn't look dodgy at all.
Probably little difference working for the Labour Party and the Civil Service, they seem to have morphed into the same thing.
You need to stop reading the daily mail and watching GB News "
You need to stop watching the BBC and looking at all those antisemitic cartoons in the Guardian. |
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over a year ago
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"I'm sure she has done nothing wrong, it's perfectly normal for a senior civil servant engaged in ethics oversight to jump ship for a political party. Doesn't look dodgy at all.
Probably little difference working for the Labour Party and the Civil Service, they seem to have morphed into the same thing.
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The issue will be timing. Was she already engaged in discussions to join Labour before or during the partygate investigation?
If she was then her impartiality will be questioned. Even if she was totally professional, that is just poor judgement.
If her discussions with Labour started after the report was submitted (not made public as I seem to recall the Govt sat on it for a while) then she did nothing wrong. |
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By *ill69888Couple
over a year ago
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"I'm sure she has done nothing wrong, it's perfectly normal for a senior civil servant engaged in ethics oversight to jump ship for a political party. Doesn't look dodgy at all.
Probably little difference working for the Labour Party and the Civil Service, they seem to have morphed into the same thing.
You need to stop reading the daily mail and watching GB News "
what kind of answer is that? Do you really think it looks good that she was engaged in an ‘independent’ inquiry into a former PM’s antics and then as soon as the report comes out, she jumps in bed with the opposition?
I’m no fan of Boris or his parties but it looks very dodgy jumping ship so soon after the report and was clearly engaged in talks with Labour whilst completing the report |
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"I'm sure she has done nothing wrong, it's perfectly normal for a senior civil servant engaged in ethics oversight to jump ship for a political party. Doesn't look dodgy at all.
Probably little difference working for the Labour Party and the Civil Service, they seem to have morphed into the same thing.
You need to stop reading the daily mail and watching GB News
You need to stop watching the BBC and looking at all those antisemitic cartoons in the Guardian."
I don’t read the guardian, the bbc is fantastic though, |
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"I'm sure she has done nothing wrong, it's perfectly normal for a senior civil servant engaged in ethics oversight to jump ship for a political party. Doesn't look dodgy at all.
Probably little difference working for the Labour Party and the Civil Service, they seem to have morphed into the same thing.
The issue will be timing. Was she already engaged in discussions to join Labour before or during the partygate investigation?
If she was then her impartiality will be questioned. Even if she was totally professional, that is just poor judgement.
If her discussions with Labour started after the report was submitted (not made public as I seem to recall the Govt sat on it for a while) then she did nothing wrong."
I disagree. If she is ideologically close enough and committed enough to take a job with Labour then it must cast doubt on her previous impartiality.
Any objective person must be questioning her prior motivation. Did she really think Johnson's behaviour was a breach of rules or ethical requirements, or was she simply ingratiating herself with her ideological masters and future employer?
It looks like she stuck the knife in the Tories and now has got her reward from Starmer. |
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"I'm sure she has done nothing wrong, it's perfectly normal for a senior civil servant engaged in ethics oversight to jump ship for a political party. Doesn't look dodgy at all.
Probably little difference working for the Labour Party and the Civil Service, they seem to have morphed into the same thing.
You need to stop reading the daily mail and watching GB News what kind of answer is that? Do you really think it looks good that she was engaged in an ‘independent’ inquiry into a former PM’s antics and then as soon as the report comes out, she jumps in bed with the opposition?
I’m no fan of Boris or his parties but it looks very dodgy jumping ship so soon after the report and was clearly engaged in talks with Labour whilst completing the report"
If she has broken any rules the appointment won’t happen . Btw, who chose Sue Gray to investigate partygate ? |
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"I'm sure she has done nothing wrong, it's perfectly normal for a senior civil servant engaged in ethics oversight to jump ship for a political party. Doesn't look dodgy at all.
Probably little difference working for the Labour Party and the Civil Service, they seem to have morphed into the same thing.
The issue will be timing. Was she already engaged in discussions to join Labour before or during the partygate investigation?
If she was then her impartiality will be questioned. Even if she was totally professional, that is just poor judgement.
If her discussions with Labour started after the report was submitted (not made public as I seem to recall the Govt sat on it for a while) then she did nothing wrong.
I disagree. If she is ideologically close enough and committed enough to take a job with Labour then it must cast doubt on her previous impartiality.
Any objective person must be questioning her prior motivation. Did she really think Johnson's behaviour was a breach of rules or ethical requirements, or was she simply ingratiating herself with her ideological masters and future employer?
It looks like she stuck the knife in the Tories and now has got her reward from Starmer. "
That is one conspiracy theory I hope is true , btw, when did the civil service start to become a ‘problem’ to governments? |
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"I'm sure she has done nothing wrong, it's perfectly normal for a senior civil servant engaged in ethics oversight to jump ship for a political party. Doesn't look dodgy at all.
Probably little difference working for the Labour Party and the Civil Service, they seem to have morphed into the same thing.
The issue will be timing. Was she already engaged in discussions to join Labour before or during the partygate investigation?
If she was then her impartiality will be questioned. Even if she was totally professional, that is just poor judgement.
If her discussions with Labour started after the report was submitted (not made public as I seem to recall the Govt sat on it for a while) then she did nothing wrong.
I disagree. If she is ideologically close enough and committed enough to take a job with Labour then it must cast doubt on her previous impartiality.
Any objective person must be questioning her prior motivation. Did she really think Johnson's behaviour was a breach of rules or ethical requirements, or was she simply ingratiating herself with her ideological masters and future employer?
It looks like she stuck the knife in the Tories and now has got her reward from Starmer.
That is one conspiracy theory I hope is true , btw, when did the civil service start to become a ‘problem’ to governments? "
The civil service is becoming a problem to government because, like much of the rest of the public sector, it has become totally infested with leftists who have forgotten what their job actually is. Civil service, teachers, the NHS, academics, pretty much every one of them to a man or woman is now a Labour voter.
The question is, how have their recruitment processes become so distorted by ideology that they are no longer representative of the population they are supposed to be serving. |
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"I'm sure she has done nothing wrong, it's perfectly normal for a senior civil servant engaged in ethics oversight to jump ship for a political party. Doesn't look dodgy at all.
Probably little difference working for the Labour Party and the Civil Service, they seem to have morphed into the same thing.
The issue will be timing. Was she already engaged in discussions to join Labour before or during the partygate investigation?
If she was then her impartiality will be questioned. Even if she was totally professional, that is just poor judgement.
If her discussions with Labour started after the report was submitted (not made public as I seem to recall the Govt sat on it for a while) then she did nothing wrong.
I disagree. If she is ideologically close enough and committed enough to take a job with Labour then it must cast doubt on her previous impartiality.
Any objective person must be questioning her prior motivation. Did she really think Johnson's behaviour was a breach of rules or ethical requirements, or was she simply ingratiating herself with her ideological masters and future employer?
It looks like she stuck the knife in the Tories and now has got her reward from Starmer.
That is one conspiracy theory I hope is true , btw, when did the civil service start to become a ‘problem’ to governments?
The civil service is becoming a problem to government because, like much of the rest of the public sector, it has become totally infested with leftists who have forgotten what their job actually is. Civil service, teachers, the NHS, academics, pretty much every one of them to a man or woman is now a Labour voter.
The question is, how have their recruitment processes become so distorted by ideology that they are no longer representative of the population they are supposed to be serving."
Hilarious, only a weak government fails to get the best out of the civil service , |
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"I'm sure she has done nothing wrong, it's perfectly normal for a senior civil servant engaged in ethics oversight to jump ship for a political party. Doesn't look dodgy at all.
Probably little difference working for the Labour Party and the Civil Service, they seem to have morphed into the same thing.
The issue will be timing. Was she already engaged in discussions to join Labour before or during the partygate investigation?
If she was then her impartiality will be questioned. Even if she was totally professional, that is just poor judgement.
If her discussions with Labour started after the report was submitted (not made public as I seem to recall the Govt sat on it for a while) then she did nothing wrong.
I disagree. If she is ideologically close enough and committed enough to take a job with Labour then it must cast doubt on her previous impartiality.
Any objective person must be questioning her prior motivation. Did she really think Johnson's behaviour was a breach of rules or ethical requirements, or was she simply ingratiating herself with her ideological masters and future employer?
It looks like she stuck the knife in the Tories and now has got her reward from Starmer.
That is one conspiracy theory I hope is true , btw, when did the civil service start to become a ‘problem’ to governments?
The civil service is becoming a problem to government because, like much of the rest of the public sector, it has become totally infested with leftists who have forgotten what their job actually is. Civil service, teachers, the NHS, academics, pretty much every one of them to a man or woman is now a Labour voter.
The question is, how have their recruitment processes become so distorted by ideology that they are no longer representative of the population they are supposed to be serving."
You may well be correct in your thoughts but I don't think so.
I personally know one teacher and one paramedic, neither of which are Labour voters. |
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"I'm sure she has done nothing wrong, it's perfectly normal for a senior civil servant engaged in ethics oversight to jump ship for a political party. Doesn't look dodgy at all.
Probably little difference working for the Labour Party and the Civil Service, they seem to have morphed into the same thing.
The issue will be timing. Was she already engaged in discussions to join Labour before or during the partygate investigation?
If she was then her impartiality will be questioned. Even if she was totally professional, that is just poor judgement.
If her discussions with Labour started after the report was submitted (not made public as I seem to recall the Govt sat on it for a while) then she did nothing wrong.
I disagree. If she is ideologically close enough and committed enough to take a job with Labour then it must cast doubt on her previous impartiality.
Any objective person must be questioning her prior motivation. Did she really think Johnson's behaviour was a breach of rules or ethical requirements, or was she simply ingratiating herself with her ideological masters and future employer?
It looks like she stuck the knife in the Tories and now has got her reward from Starmer.
That is one conspiracy theory I hope is true , btw, when did the civil service start to become a ‘problem’ to governments?
The civil service is becoming a problem to government because, like much of the rest of the public sector, it has become totally infested with leftists who have forgotten what their job actually is. Civil service, teachers, the NHS, academics, pretty much every one of them to a man or woman is now a Labour voter.
The question is, how have their recruitment processes become so distorted by ideology that they are no longer representative of the population they are supposed to be serving.
You may well be correct in your thoughts but I don't think so.
I personally know one teacher and one paramedic, neither of which are Labour voters. "
And Labour aren't a leftist party anymore.
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"I'm sure she has done nothing wrong, it's perfectly normal for a senior civil servant engaged in ethics oversight to jump ship for a political party. Doesn't look dodgy at all.
Probably little difference working for the Labour Party and the Civil Service, they seem to have morphed into the same thing.
The issue will be timing. Was she already engaged in discussions to join Labour before or during the partygate investigation?
If she was then her impartiality will be questioned. Even if she was totally professional, that is just poor judgement.
If her discussions with Labour started after the report was submitted (not made public as I seem to recall the Govt sat on it for a while) then she did nothing wrong.
I disagree. If she is ideologically close enough and committed enough to take a job with Labour then it must cast doubt on her previous impartiality.
Any objective person must be questioning her prior motivation. Did she really think Johnson's behaviour was a breach of rules or ethical requirements, or was she simply ingratiating herself with her ideological masters and future employer?
It looks like she stuck the knife in the Tories and now has got her reward from Starmer.
That is one conspiracy theory I hope is true , btw, when did the civil service start to become a ‘problem’ to governments?
The civil service is becoming a problem to government because, like much of the rest of the public sector, it has become totally infested with leftists who have forgotten what their job actually is. Civil service, teachers, the NHS, academics, pretty much every one of them to a man or woman is now a Labour voter.
The question is, how have their recruitment processes become so distorted by ideology that they are no longer representative of the population they are supposed to be serving.
Hilarious, only a weak government fails to get the best out of the civil service , "
I'm sure it's nothing that a 35% pay rise and a four day week wouldn't resolve. |
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"I'm sure she has done nothing wrong, it's perfectly normal for a senior civil servant engaged in ethics oversight to jump ship for a political party. Doesn't look dodgy at all.
Probably little difference working for the Labour Party and the Civil Service, they seem to have morphed into the same thing.
The issue will be timing. Was she already engaged in discussions to join Labour before or during the partygate investigation?
If she was then her impartiality will be questioned. Even if she was totally professional, that is just poor judgement.
If her discussions with Labour started after the report was submitted (not made public as I seem to recall the Govt sat on it for a while) then she did nothing wrong.
I disagree. If she is ideologically close enough and committed enough to take a job with Labour then it must cast doubt on her previous impartiality.
Any objective person must be questioning her prior motivation. Did she really think Johnson's behaviour was a breach of rules or ethical requirements, or was she simply ingratiating herself with her ideological masters and future employer?
It looks like she stuck the knife in the Tories and now has got her reward from Starmer.
That is one conspiracy theory I hope is true , btw, when did the civil service start to become a ‘problem’ to governments?
The civil service is becoming a problem to government because, like much of the rest of the public sector, it has become totally infested with leftists who have forgotten what their job actually is. Civil service, teachers, the NHS, academics, pretty much every one of them to a man or woman is now a Labour voter.
The question is, how have their recruitment processes become so distorted by ideology that they are no longer representative of the population they are supposed to be serving.
Hilarious, only a weak government fails to get the best out of the civil service ,
I'm sure it's nothing that a 35% pay rise and a four day week wouldn't resolve."
Why are all civil servants ‘lefties’ ? Is it because ‘righties’ are too thick and not educated enough to be considered for the job |
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"Why is she refusing to co-operate with inquiry?
Regardless of any wrongdoing or not, surely the optics of this decision doesn't look good."
Ironic.
A lady who demanded civil servants a d MPS a swer her questions. Refusing to answer them about her own dealings. |
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"Why is she refusing to co-operate with inquiry?
Regardless of any wrongdoing or not, surely the optics of this decision doesn't look good.
Ironic.
A lady who demanded civil servants a d MPS a swer her questions. Refusing to answer them about her own dealings."
Dave Penman, the leader of the FDA trade union, which represents senior civil servants, said: "It doesn't surprise me that she wouldn't take part in the process when she's going through Acoba.
"Acoba is really the real deal when it comes to this and who's going to make a decision. And it really should be, because it isn't doing it for political ends. It's doing it based on evidence, and I can understand why she'd prioritise that."
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"Why is she refusing to co-operate with inquiry?
Regardless of any wrongdoing or not, surely the optics of this decision doesn't look good.
Ironic.
A lady who demanded civil servants a d MPS a swer her questions. Refusing to answer them about her own dealings.
Dave Penman, the leader of the FDA trade union, which represents senior civil servants, said: "It doesn't surprise me that she wouldn't take part in the process when she's going through Acoba.
"Acoba is really the real deal when it comes to this and who's going to make a decision. And it really should be, because it isn't doing it for political ends. It's doing it based on evidence, and I can understand why she'd prioritise that."
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She can still take part in the process.
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"Why is she refusing to co-operate with inquiry?
Regardless of any wrongdoing or not, surely the optics of this decision doesn't look good.
Ironic.
A lady who demanded civil servants a d MPS a swer her questions. Refusing to answer them about her own dealings.
Dave Penman, the leader of the FDA trade union, which represents senior civil servants, said: "It doesn't surprise me that she wouldn't take part in the process when she's going through Acoba.
"Acoba is really the real deal when it comes to this and who's going to make a decision. And it really should be, because it isn't doing it for political ends. It's doing it based on evidence, and I can understand why she'd prioritise that."
She can still take part in the process.
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She doesn’t have to |
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"Why is she refusing to co-operate with inquiry?
Regardless of any wrongdoing or not, surely the optics of this decision doesn't look good.
Ironic.
A lady who demanded civil servants a d MPS a swer her questions. Refusing to answer them about her own dealings.
Dave Penman, the leader of the FDA trade union, which represents senior civil servants, said: "It doesn't surprise me that she wouldn't take part in the process when she's going through Acoba.
"Acoba is really the real deal when it comes to this and who's going to make a decision. And it really should be, because it isn't doing it for political ends. It's doing it based on evidence, and I can understand why she'd prioritise that."
She can still take part in the process.
She doesn’t have to "
Neither did boris in her report. Nor the civil servants |
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"Why is she refusing to co-operate with inquiry?
Regardless of any wrongdoing or not, surely the optics of this decision doesn't look good.
Ironic.
A lady who demanded civil servants a d MPS a swer her questions. Refusing to answer them about her own dealings.
Dave Penman, the leader of the FDA trade union, which represents senior civil servants, said: "It doesn't surprise me that she wouldn't take part in the process when she's going through Acoba.
"Acoba is really the real deal when it comes to this and who's going to make a decision. And it really should be, because it isn't doing it for political ends. It's doing it based on evidence, and I can understand why she'd prioritise that."
She can still take part in the process.
She doesn’t have to
Neither did boris in her report. Nor the civil servants "
Irrelevant, they did, she has decided not to , it’s her choice |
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"Why is she refusing to co-operate with inquiry?
Regardless of any wrongdoing or not, surely the optics of this decision doesn't look good.
Ironic.
A lady who demanded civil servants a d MPS a swer her questions. Refusing to answer them about her own dealings.
Dave Penman, the leader of the FDA trade union, which represents senior civil servants, said: "It doesn't surprise me that she wouldn't take part in the process when she's going through Acoba.
"Acoba is really the real deal when it comes to this and who's going to make a decision. And it really should be, because it isn't doing it for political ends. It's doing it based on evidence, and I can understand why she'd prioritise that."
She can still take part in the process.
She doesn’t have to
Neither did boris in her report. Nor the civil servants "
apparently she was taking part. But stopped when she heard about leaks. Slightly different spin if true. |
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"Why is she refusing to co-operate with inquiry?
Regardless of any wrongdoing or not, surely the optics of this decision doesn't look good.
Ironic.
A lady who demanded civil servants a d MPS a swer her questions. Refusing to answer them about her own dealings.
Dave Penman, the leader of the FDA trade union, which represents senior civil servants, said: "It doesn't surprise me that she wouldn't take part in the process when she's going through Acoba.
"Acoba is really the real deal when it comes to this and who's going to make a decision. And it really should be, because it isn't doing it for political ends. It's doing it based on evidence, and I can understand why she'd prioritise that."
She can still take part in the process.
She doesn’t have to
Neither did boris in her report. Nor the civil servants
Irrelevant, they did, she has decided not to , it’s her choice "
So then. Quite ironic. |
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