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"To follow the example of a certain individual on another thread... IMHO he's a cunt  "
The audacity of calling someone else that word when your profile states:
"Married to a gorgeous lady but currently enjoying sexy chats without her knowledge" |
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"To follow the example of a certain individual on another thread... IMHO he's a cunt
The audacity of calling someone else that word when your profile states:
"Married to a gorgeous lady but currently enjoying sexy chats without her knowledge""
There's a few here that you better tell to get off their moral high horses if you're going down that route  |
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"To follow the example of a certain individual on another thread... IMHO he's a cunt
The audacity of calling someone else that word when your profile states:
"Married to a gorgeous lady but currently enjoying sexy chats without her knowledge"
There's a few here that you better tell to get off their moral high horses if you're going down that route "
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"To follow the example of a certain individual on another thread... IMHO he's a cunt
The audacity of calling someone else that word when your profile states:
"Married to a gorgeous lady but currently enjoying sexy chats without her knowledge""
Lectures about be kind and morality are part and parcel in the politics section from the do as I say and not what I do crowd.
On topic. Kier has had oodles of chances to score real points against this Government and he just seems to miss them all the time. He’s just a bit Shit to be honest. |
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By *irldnCouple
over a year ago
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"To follow the example of a certain individual on another thread... IMHO he's a cunt "
You’re entitled to your opinion. I am disappointed in him. He’s a bit bland and appears to not stick to his convictions which makes me suspicious.
Trouble is, for me, he is still a better alternative than the current crop of top Torys. |
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"To follow the example of a certain individual on another thread... IMHO he's a cunt
You’re entitled to your opinion. I am disappointed in him. He’s a bit bland and appears to not stick to his convictions which makes me suspicious.
Trouble is, for me, he is still a better alternative than the current crop of top Torys."
No government would be better than the Tories over the past 6 years. |
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"To follow the example of a certain individual on another thread... IMHO he's a cunt
You’re entitled to your opinion. I am disappointed in him. He’s a bit bland and appears to not stick to his convictions which makes me suspicious.
Trouble is, for me, he is still a better alternative than the current crop of top Torys.
No government would be better than the Tories over the past 6 years."
I've seen this said a few times now. You don't wctually believe that, do you? |
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over a year ago
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"To follow the example of a certain individual on another thread... IMHO he's a cunt
You’re entitled to your opinion. I am disappointed in him. He’s a bit bland and appears to not stick to his convictions which makes me suspicious.
Trouble is, for me, he is still a better alternative than the current crop of top Torys.
No government would be better than the Tories over the past 6 years.
I've seen this said a few times now. You don't actually believe that, do you?"
To be honest I can kind of see his point, because I've stayed in places which have local governments/councils that are traditionally non-Tory, and looking at the issues in those areas they've made a dog's dinner of things just as bad as the Tories have nationally.
It's the whole "if you can't manage your own house in order, how can you manage a country" thing. Though it is also hobbled by the fact that local government/council abilities to do stuff and perform well is also heavily dependent on how much funding they get from Westminster, so I guess there's that saving excuse. |
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By *eroy1000Man
over a year ago
milton keynes |
"To follow the example of a certain individual on another thread... IMHO he's a cunt "
That's fair enough to voice your opinion of him as others have about certain conservatives. Is it a particular thing that he has done that brings this opinion or a collection of things. Maybe it's you feel he has failed to provide a decent alternative to what we have and as others say, he only offers being slightly less shit. That's assuming he is good to his word and doesn't end up being even worse than we have now |
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"To follow the example of a certain individual on another thread... IMHO he's a cunt
You’re entitled to your opinion. I am disappointed in him. He’s a bit bland and appears to not stick to his convictions which makes me suspicious.
Trouble is, for me, he is still a better alternative than the current crop of top Torys.
No government would be better than the Tories over the past 6 years.
I've seen this said a few times now. You don't actually believe that, do you?
To be honest I can kind of see his point, because I've stayed in places which have local governments/councils that are traditionally non-Tory, and looking at the issues in those areas they've made a dog's dinner of things just as bad as the Tories have nationally.
It's the whole "if you can't manage your own house in order, how can you manage a country" thing. Though it is also hobbled by the fact that local government/council abilities to do stuff and perform well is also heavily dependent on how much funding they get from Westminster, so I guess there's that saving excuse. "
I see that 'others have been shit at local level so probably shit at national level', however, are we actually saying that having NO government would be better than having A government. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"To follow the example of a certain individual on another thread... IMHO he's a cunt
You’re entitled to your opinion. I am disappointed in him. He’s a bit bland and appears to not stick to his convictions which makes me suspicious.
Trouble is, for me, he is still a better alternative than the current crop of top Torys.
No government would be better than the Tories over the past 6 years.
I've seen this said a few times now. You don't actually believe that, do you?
To be honest I can kind of see his point, because I've stayed in places which have local governments/councils that are traditionally non-Tory, and looking at the issues in those areas they've made a dog's dinner of things just as bad as the Tories have nationally.
It's the whole "if you can't manage your own house in order, how can you manage a country" thing. Though it is also hobbled by the fact that local government/council abilities to do stuff and perform well is also heavily dependent on how much funding they get from Westminster, so I guess there's that saving excuse.
I see that 'others have been shit at local level so probably shit at national level', however, are we actually saying that having NO government would be better than having A government."
If you believe in devolution then kinda yeah, no central government is better than having A central government.
Though I appreciate that I might be taking it out of context. |
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"To follow the example of a certain individual on another thread... IMHO he's a cunt
You’re entitled to your opinion. I am disappointed in him. He’s a bit bland and appears to not stick to his convictions which makes me suspicious.
Trouble is, for me, he is still a better alternative than the current crop of top Torys.
No government would be better than the Tories over the past 6 years.
I've seen this said a few times now. You don't actually believe that, do you?
To be honest I can kind of see his point, because I've stayed in places which have local governments/councils that are traditionally non-Tory, and looking at the issues in those areas they've made a dog's dinner of things just as bad as the Tories have nationally.
It's the whole "if you can't manage your own house in order, how can you manage a country" thing. Though it is also hobbled by the fact that local government/council abilities to do stuff and perform well is also heavily dependent on how much funding they get from Westminster, so I guess there's that saving excuse.
I see that 'others have been shit at local level so probably shit at national level', however, are we actually saying that having NO government would be better than having A government.
If you believe in devolution then kinda yeah, no central government is better than having A central government.
Though I appreciate that I might be taking it out of context. "
For me there will always be a central government a la USA.
But yeah, I think you took what he said out of context  |
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"On current evidence he's a right wing twat who offers little better than the Tories. A real shame to see Labour like this. "
Labour only ever get into power by doing exactly what KS is doing. When will the left wake up and realise that the majority of the country want centre-right |
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By *otMe66Man
over a year ago
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"On current evidence he's a right wing twat who offers little better than the Tories. A real shame to see Labour like this.
Labour only ever get into power by doing exactly what KS is doing. When will the left wake up and realise that the majority of the country want centre-right"
I believe the reason Labour loses the confidence of the majority, is when we all start to listen to those left wing radicals, they can switch me off from the labour party in an instant |
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"On current evidence he's a right wing twat who offers little better than the Tories. A real shame to see Labour like this.
Labour only ever get into power by doing exactly what KS is doing. When will the left wake up and realise that the majority of the country want centre-right"
I thought the Lib Dems were the home of the centre-right? |
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"On current evidence he's a right wing twat who offers little better than the Tories. A real shame to see Labour like this.
Labour only ever get into power by doing exactly what KS is doing. When will the left wake up and realise that the majority of the country want centre-right
I thought the Lib Dems were the home of the centre-right? "
I'd say LibDems are centre-left personally. They're just not big enough.
I do genuinely believe that no real serious left wing party exist in this country because the electorate don't actually want it. |
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"On current evidence he's a right wing twat who offers little better than the Tories. A real shame to see Labour like this.
Labour only ever get into power by doing exactly what KS is doing. When will the left wake up and realise that the majority of the country want centre-right"
The majority of the country voted for much further right than "centre-right".
However I kind of agree, we're constantly told to vote right wing, at every avenue. This is where all the money, power and influence is. So of course we will always be coerced into voting for their benefit over our own. |
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"On current evidence he's a right wing twat who offers little better than the Tories. A real shame to see Labour like this. "
I agree.
As soon as they had a leader that offered meaningful change, they gathered a lot of support fast. The establishment got spooked and put on a sustained smear campaign.
People often argue that for Labour to get elected they have to move to the centre right. Basically to represent the interests of big businesses over the interests of British people. Then they get the funding and the backing of the press.
But then for me, they become pointless, all they're offering is a less-shit, less corrupt version of what we have now. |
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"To follow the example of a certain individual on another thread... IMHO he's a cunt
You’re entitled to your opinion. I am disappointed in him. He’s a bit bland and appears to not stick to his convictions which makes me suspicious.
Trouble is, for me, he is still a better alternative than the current crop of top Torys.
No government would be better than the Tories over the past 6 years.
I've seen this said a few times now. You don't wctually believe that, do you?"
Ah, probably not. Some aspects would be better, others would be worse.
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over a year ago
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"On current evidence he's a right wing twat who offers little better than the Tories. A real shame to see Labour like this.
I agree.
As soon as they had a leader that offered meaningful change, they gathered a lot of support fast. The establishment got spooked and put on a sustained smear campaign.
People often argue that for Labour to get elected they have to move to the centre right. Basically to represent the interests of big businesses over the interests of British people. Then they get the funding and the backing of the press.
But then for me, they become pointless, all they're offering is a less-shit, less corrupt version of what we have now."
Tbh, that is how you win elections now, you don’t have to be good, just be slightly less shit than the alternative |
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"On current evidence he's a right wing twat who offers little better than the Tories. A real shame to see Labour like this.
I agree.
As soon as they had a leader that offered meaningful change, they gathered a lot of support fast. The establishment got spooked and put on a sustained smear campaign.
People often argue that for Labour to get elected they have to move to the centre right. Basically to represent the interests of big businesses over the interests of British people. Then they get the funding and the backing of the press.
But then for me, they become pointless, all they're offering is a less-shit, less corrupt version of what we have now.
Tbh, that is how you win elections now, you don’t have to be good, just be slightly less shit than the alternative "
You have to be better funded and supported by the media than the alternative. |
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"On current evidence he's a right wing twat who offers little better than the Tories. A real shame to see Labour like this.
I agree.
As soon as they had a leader that offered meaningful change, they gathered a lot of support fast. The establishment got spooked and put on a sustained smear campaign.
People often argue that for Labour to get elected they have to move to the centre right. Basically to represent the interests of big businesses over the interests of British people. Then they get the funding and the backing of the press.
But then for me, they become pointless, all they're offering is a less-shit, less corrupt version of what we have now.
Tbh, that is how you win elections now, you don’t have to be good, just be slightly less shit than the alternative
You have to be better funded and supported by the media than the alternative. "
True, if SKS gets Murdochs support (just like Blair) he will win easily |
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"On current evidence he's a right wing twat who offers little better than the Tories. A real shame to see Labour like this.
I agree.
As soon as they had a leader that offered meaningful change, they gathered a lot of support fast. The establishment got spooked and put on a sustained smear campaign.
People often argue that for Labour to get elected they have to move to the centre right. Basically to represent the interests of big businesses over the interests of British people. Then they get the funding and the backing of the press.
But then for me, they become pointless, all they're offering is a less-shit, less corrupt version of what we have now.
Tbh, that is how you win elections now, you don’t have to be good, just be slightly less shit than the alternative
You have to be better funded and supported by the media than the alternative.
True, if SKS gets Murdochs support (just like Blair) he will win easily "
And we will only be a fine sliver of a margin better off.
But I don't see it happening. We're in for five more years of the same shit.
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"On current evidence he's a right wing twat who offers little better than the Tories. A real shame to see Labour like this.
I agree.
As soon as they had a leader that offered meaningful change, they gathered a lot of support fast. The establishment got spooked and put on a sustained smear campaign.
People often argue that for Labour to get elected they have to move to the centre right. Basically to represent the interests of big businesses over the interests of British people. Then they get the funding and the backing of the press.
But then for me, they become pointless, all they're offering is a less-shit, less corrupt version of what we have now.
Tbh, that is how you win elections now, you don’t have to be good, just be slightly less shit than the alternative
You have to be better funded and supported by the media than the alternative.
True, if SKS gets Murdochs support (just like Blair) he will win easily
And we will only be a fine sliver of a margin better off.
But I don't see it happening. We're in for five more years of the same shit.
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I don’t think so, the tories have had their time, they are finished for a while, the infighting (which is bubbling under the surface) will start again soon, they will start tearing each other apart and lose the next election (rather than labour ‘winning’ it) |
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"On current evidence he's a right wing twat who offers little better than the Tories. A real shame to see Labour like this.
I agree.
As soon as they had a leader that offered meaningful change, they gathered a lot of support fast. The establishment got spooked and put on a sustained smear campaign.
People often argue that for Labour to get elected they have to move to the centre right. Basically to represent the interests of big businesses over the interests of British people. Then they get the funding and the backing of the press.
But then for me, they become pointless, all they're offering is a less-shit, less corrupt version of what we have now.
Tbh, that is how you win elections now, you don’t have to be good, just be slightly less shit than the alternative
You have to be better funded and supported by the media than the alternative.
True, if SKS gets Murdochs support (just like Blair) he will win easily
And we will only be a fine sliver of a margin better off.
But I don't see it happening. We're in for five more years of the same shit.
I don’t think so, the tories have had their time, they are finished for a while, the infighting (which is bubbling under the surface) will start again soon, they will start tearing each other apart and lose the next election (rather than labour ‘winning’ it) "
I hope you're right.
I predict that when we start getting close to the election the Tories and their supporting press will kick into gear with.
1. Lots of slander against labour and against Starmer.
2. Burying and stories of their own incompetence and self serving behaviour.
3. Look at those foreigners over there in that small boat.
4. Vote Tories for change. Free unicorns. -Catchy meaningless slogan-
Done. |
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"On current evidence he's a right wing twat who offers little better than the Tories. A real shame to see Labour like this.
I agree.
As soon as they had a leader that offered meaningful change, they gathered a lot of support fast. The establishment got spooked and put on a sustained smear campaign.
People often argue that for Labour to get elected they have to move to the centre right. Basically to represent the interests of big businesses over the interests of British people. Then they get the funding and the backing of the press.
But then for me, they become pointless, all they're offering is a less-shit, less corrupt version of what we have now.
Tbh, that is how you win elections now, you don’t have to be good, just be slightly less shit than the alternative
You have to be better funded and supported by the media than the alternative.
True, if SKS gets Murdochs support (just like Blair) he will win easily
And we will only be a fine sliver of a margin better off.
But I don't see it happening. We're in for five more years of the same shit.
I don’t think so, the tories have had their time, they are finished for a while, the infighting (which is bubbling under the surface) will start again soon, they will start tearing each other apart and lose the next election (rather than labour ‘winning’ it)
I hope you're right.
I predict that when we start getting close to the election the Tories and their supporting press will kick into gear with.
1. Lots of slander against labour and against Starmer.
2. Burying and stories of their own incompetence and self serving behaviour.
3. Look at those foreigners over there in that small boat.
4. Vote Tories for change. Free unicorns. -Catchy meaningless slogan-
Done. "
Maybe, but the right wing element will never vote for Sunak , they will lose a lot of votes to Reform and I think labour will benefit from the mess in the SNP, time will tell though |
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"On current evidence he's a right wing twat who offers little better than the Tories. A real shame to see Labour like this.
Tbf, and I'm no lover of the labour party, he had no choice but to move to the right.
Under our system you cannot get an outright majority without owning the Centre
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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The response Smarmer gets from focus groups seems to be that people think he is shifty, flip flops around on policy, and doesn't believe anything.
Can always rely on the common sense of the British people. |
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"The response Smarmer gets from focus groups seems to be that people think he is shifty, flip flops around on policy, and doesn't believe anything.
Can always rely on the common sense of the British people."
Really, what happened to Boris? |
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"The response Smarmer gets from focus groups seems to be that people think he is shifty, flip flops around on policy, and doesn't believe anything.
Can always rely on the common sense of the British people.
Really, what happened to Boris? "
Did you watch the video?
I genuinely think you'd find it interesting. |
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"They’re conning the lot of you. https://youtu.be/J5JXO8pHwgo
YouTube
Did you watch it?
I've just watched 3 mins, I think you would find it interesting."
Yes, it was interesting, |
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"They’re conning the lot of you. https://youtu.be/J5JXO8pHwgo
YouTube
Did you watch it?
I've just watched 3 mins, I think you would find it interesting.
Yes, it was interesting, "
Then why did you attempt to rubbish it?
Care to discuss it? I also found it interesting.
Did you agree with it at large? |
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"They’re conning the lot of you. https://youtu.be/J5JXO8pHwgo
YouTube
Did you watch it?
I've just watched 3 mins, I think you would find it interesting.
Yes, it was interesting,
Then why did you attempt to rubbish it?
Care to discuss it? I also found it interesting.
Did you agree with it at large?"
Google DDN and their links to Jeremy Corbyn . Tbh, what they are saying has merit though |
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"They’re conning the lot of you. https://youtu.be/J5JXO8pHwgo
YouTube
Did you watch it?
I've just watched 3 mins, I think you would find it interesting.
Yes, it was interesting,
Then why did you attempt to rubbish it?
Care to discuss it? I also found it interesting.
Did you agree with it at large?
Google DDN and their links to Jeremy Corbyn . Tbh, what they are saying has merit though "
DDN support Corbyn? What's the problem with that? |
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By *otMe66Man
over a year ago
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Starmer thinks he is stating the obvious when he is questioned what Labour would do if in power, and a simple quick fix will put everything right. If Labour do get in, they will be out in one term. |
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"They’re conning the lot of you. https://youtu.be/J5JXO8pHwgo
YouTube
Did you watch it?
I've just watched 3 mins, I think you would find it interesting.
Yes, it was interesting,
Then why did you attempt to rubbish it?
Care to discuss it? I also found it interesting.
Did you agree with it at large?
Google DDN and their links to Jeremy Corbyn . Tbh, what they are saying has merit though
DDN support Corbyn? What's the problem with that?"
No problem, but they obviously have an agenda against SKS, like I said, I agree with some of the things they are saying . SKS isn’t really labour or even new labour, he is doing whatever it takes to get elected (if you can’t beat them join them approach) and IMHO he is better than the tories (although he won’t be getting my vote) |
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"They’re conning the lot of you. https://youtu.be/J5JXO8pHwgo
YouTube
Did you watch it?
I've just watched 3 mins, I think you would find it interesting.
Yes, it was interesting,
Then why did you attempt to rubbish it?
Care to discuss it? I also found it interesting.
Did you agree with it at large?
Google DDN and their links to Jeremy Corbyn . Tbh, what they are saying has merit though
DDN support Corbyn? What's the problem with that?
No problem, but they obviously have an agenda against SKS, like I said, I agree with some of the things they are saying . SKS isn’t really labour or even new labour, he is doing whatever it takes to get elected (if you can’t beat them join them approach) and IMHO he is better than the tories (although he won’t be getting my vote) "
And there I was thinking you were a corbyn fan. |
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over a year ago
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"They’re conning the lot of you. https://youtu.be/J5JXO8pHwgo
YouTube
Did you watch it?
I've just watched 3 mins, I think you would find it interesting.
Yes, it was interesting,
Then why did you attempt to rubbish it?
Care to discuss it? I also found it interesting.
Did you agree with it at large?
Google DDN and their links to Jeremy Corbyn . Tbh, what they are saying has merit though
DDN support Corbyn? What's the problem with that?
No problem, but they obviously have an agenda against SKS, like I said, I agree with some of the things they are saying . SKS isn’t really labour or even new labour, he is doing whatever it takes to get elected (if you can’t beat them join them approach) and IMHO he is better than the tories (although he won’t be getting my vote)
And there I was thinking you were a corbyn fan."
He had some good policies, he would never have been allowed to be PM , he would have been better than Truss and BJ |
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"They’re conning the lot of you. https://youtu.be/J5JXO8pHwgo
YouTube
Did you watch it?
I've just watched 3 mins, I think you would find it interesting.
Yes, it was interesting,
Then why did you attempt to rubbish it?
Care to discuss it? I also found it interesting.
Did you agree with it at large?
Google DDN and their links to Jeremy Corbyn . Tbh, what they are saying has merit though
DDN support Corbyn? What's the problem with that?
No problem, but they obviously have an agenda against SKS, like I said, I agree with some of the things they are saying . SKS isn’t really labour or even new labour, he is doing whatever it takes to get elected (if you can’t beat them join them approach) and IMHO he is better than the tories (although he won’t be getting my vote)
And there I was thinking you were a corbyn fan.
He had some good policies, he would never have been allowed to be PM , he would have been better than Truss and BJ "
That's exactly what DDN were saying.
I'd actually like to see him start his own party. |
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By *otMe66Man
over a year ago
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"They’re conning the lot of you. https://youtu.be/J5JXO8pHwgo
YouTube
Did you watch it?
I've just watched 3 mins, I think you would find it interesting.
Yes, it was interesting,
Then why did you attempt to rubbish it?
Care to discuss it? I also found it interesting.
Did you agree with it at large?
Google DDN and their links to Jeremy Corbyn . Tbh, what they are saying has merit though
DDN support Corbyn? What's the problem with that?
No problem, but they obviously have an agenda against SKS, like I said, I agree with some of the things they are saying . SKS isn’t really labour or even new labour, he is doing whatever it takes to get elected (if you can’t beat them join them approach) and IMHO he is better than the tories (although he won’t be getting my vote)
And there I was thinking you were a corbyn fan.
He had some good policies, he would never have been allowed to be PM , he would have been better than Truss and BJ "
Which of his polices did you consider to be good |
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"On current evidence he's a right wing twat who offers little better than the Tories. A real shame to see Labour like this.
Labour only ever get into power by doing exactly what KS is doing. When will the left wake up and realise that the majority of the country want centre-right"
When will the Conservatives get back to realising this? |
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"On current evidence he's a right wing twat who offers little better than the Tories. A real shame to see Labour like this.
Labour only ever get into power by doing exactly what KS is doing. When will the left wake up and realise that the majority of the country want centre-right
When will the Conservatives get back to realising this?"
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"On current evidence he's a right wing twat who offers little better than the Tories. A real shame to see Labour like this.
I agree.
As soon as they had a leader that offered meaningful change, they gathered a lot of support fast. The establishment got spooked and put on a sustained smear campaign.
People often argue that for Labour to get elected they have to move to the centre right. Basically to represent the interests of big businesses over the interests of British people. Then they get the funding and the backing of the press.
But then for me, they become pointless, all they're offering is a less-shit, less corrupt version of what we have now."
Less shit and less corrupt than what we have now is probably quite appealing to many. It definitely appeals to me. |
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"On current evidence he's a right wing twat who offers little better than the Tories. A real shame to see Labour like this.
I agree.
As soon as they had a leader that offered meaningful change, they gathered a lot of support fast. The establishment got spooked and put on a sustained smear campaign.
People often argue that for Labour to get elected they have to move to the centre right. Basically to represent the interests of big businesses over the interests of British people. Then they get the funding and the backing of the press.
But then for me, they become pointless, all they're offering is a less-shit, less corrupt version of what we have now.
Tbh, that is how you win elections now, you don’t have to be good, just be slightly less shit than the alternative
You have to be better funded and supported by the media than the alternative.
True, if SKS gets Murdochs support (just like Blair) he will win easily
And we will only be a fine sliver of a margin better off.
But I don't see it happening. We're in for five more years of the same shit.
I don’t think so, the tories have had their time, they are finished for a while, the infighting (which is bubbling under the surface) will start again soon, they will start tearing each other apart and lose the next election (rather than labour ‘winning’ it)
I hope you're right.
I predict that when we start getting close to the election the Tories and their supporting press will kick into gear with.
1. Lots of slander against labour and against Starmer.
2. Burying and stories of their own incompetence and self serving behaviour.
3. Look at those foreigners over there in that small boat.
4. Vote Tories for change. Free unicorns. -Catchy meaningless slogan-
Done. "
All this is true but I don't think it will work this time. Say what you like about Stammer but there is no-way the press or anyone else can portray him as dangerous looney left redical. The same wouldn't be true for Angela Rayner. |
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"On current evidence he's a right wing twat who offers little better than the Tories. A real shame to see Labour like this.
I agree.
As soon as they had a leader that offered meaningful change, they gathered a lot of support fast. The establishment got spooked and put on a sustained smear campaign.
People often argue that for Labour to get elected they have to move to the centre right. Basically to represent the interests of big businesses over the interests of British people. Then they get the funding and the backing of the press.
But then for me, they become pointless, all they're offering is a less-shit, less corrupt version of what we have now.
Tbh, that is how you win elections now, you don’t have to be good, just be slightly less shit than the alternative
You have to be better funded and supported by the media than the alternative.
True, if SKS gets Murdochs support (just like Blair) he will win easily
And we will only be a fine sliver of a margin better off.
But I don't see it happening. We're in for five more years of the same shit.
I don’t think so, the tories have had their time, they are finished for a while, the infighting (which is bubbling under the surface) will start again soon, they will start tearing each other apart and lose the next election (rather than labour ‘winning’ it)
I hope you're right.
I predict that when we start getting close to the election the Tories and their supporting press will kick into gear with.
1. Lots of slander against labour and against Starmer.
2. Burying and stories of their own incompetence and self serving behaviour.
3. Look at those foreigners over there in that small boat.
4. Vote Tories for change. Free unicorns. -Catchy meaningless slogan-
Done.
All this is true but I don't think it will work this time. Say what you like about Stammer but there is no-way the press or anyone else can portray him as dangerous looney left redical. The same wouldn't be true for Angela Rayner."
Why not? Smarmer spent years supporting the loony left radicals Corbyn and Abbott.
What are we to make of that? Either he was lying when he said he supported them or he's lying now when he says he didn't. |
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"On current evidence he's a right wing twat who offers little better than the Tories. A real shame to see Labour like this.
Labour only ever get into power by doing exactly what KS is doing. When will the left wake up and realise that the majority of the country want centre-right
When will the Conservatives get back to realising this?
I see what you did there. However, they don't need to, they've been in power for 13 years. "
The Conservative Party that was elected in 2010 and again in 2015 was a party that had appealed to the centre. Maybe more the centre right than the centre left but still the centre. The current Conservative Party has little appeal to any one anywhere near the centre. |
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"On current evidence he's a right wing twat who offers little better than the Tories. A real shame to see Labour like this.
Labour only ever get into power by doing exactly what KS is doing. When will the left wake up and realise that the majority of the country want centre-right
When will the Conservatives get back to realising this?
I see what you did there. However, they don't need to, they've been in power for 13 years.
The Conservative Party that was elected in 2010 and again in 2015 was a party that had appealed to the centre. Maybe more the centre right than the centre left but still the centre. The current Conservative Party has little appeal to any one anywhere near the centre. "
I disagree. Johnson moved it to the right. IMO Rishi is brining it back towards the middle. Maybe not enough for the middle-left but Labour will pick up that vote |
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"On current evidence he's a right wing twat who offers little better than the Tories. A real shame to see Labour like this.
I agree.
As soon as they had a leader that offered meaningful change, they gathered a lot of support fast. The establishment got spooked and put on a sustained smear campaign.
People often argue that for Labour to get elected they have to move to the centre right. Basically to represent the interests of big businesses over the interests of British people. Then they get the funding and the backing of the press.
But then for me, they become pointless, all they're offering is a less-shit, less corrupt version of what we have now.
Tbh, that is how you win elections now, you don’t have to be good, just be slightly less shit than the alternative
You have to be better funded and supported by the media than the alternative.
True, if SKS gets Murdochs support (just like Blair) he will win easily
And we will only be a fine sliver of a margin better off.
But I don't see it happening. We're in for five more years of the same shit.
I don’t think so, the tories have had their time, they are finished for a while, the infighting (which is bubbling under the surface) will start again soon, they will start tearing each other apart and lose the next election (rather than labour ‘winning’ it)
I hope you're right.
I predict that when we start getting close to the election the Tories and their supporting press will kick into gear with.
1. Lots of slander against labour and against Starmer.
2. Burying and stories of their own incompetence and self serving behaviour.
3. Look at those foreigners over there in that small boat.
4. Vote Tories for change. Free unicorns. -Catchy meaningless slogan-
Done.
All this is true but I don't think it will work this time. Say what you like about Stammer but there is no-way the press or anyone else can portray him as dangerous looney left redical. The same wouldn't be true for Angela Rayner.
Why not? Smarmer spent years supporting the loony left radicals Corbyn and Abbott.
What are we to make of that? Either he was lying when he said he supported them or he's lying now when he says he didn't."
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"On current evidence he's a right wing twat who offers little better than the Tories. A real shame to see Labour like this.
I agree.
As soon as they had a leader that offered meaningful change, they gathered a lot of support fast. The establishment got spooked and put on a sustained smear campaign.
People often argue that for Labour to get elected they have to move to the centre right. Basically to represent the interests of big businesses over the interests of British people. Then they get the funding and the backing of the press.
But then for me, they become pointless, all they're offering is a less-shit, less corrupt version of what we have now.
Tbh, that is how you win elections now, you don’t have to be good, just be slightly less shit than the alternative
You have to be better funded and supported by the media than the alternative.
True, if SKS gets Murdochs support (just like Blair) he will win easily
And we will only be a fine sliver of a margin better off.
But I don't see it happening. We're in for five more years of the same shit.
I don’t think so, the tories have had their time, they are finished for a while, the infighting (which is bubbling under the surface) will start again soon, they will start tearing each other apart and lose the next election (rather than labour ‘winning’ it)
I hope you're right.
I predict that when we start getting close to the election the Tories and their supporting press will kick into gear with.
1. Lots of slander against labour and against Starmer.
2. Burying and stories of their own incompetence and self serving behaviour.
3. Look at those foreigners over there in that small boat.
4. Vote Tories for change. Free unicorns. -Catchy meaningless slogan-
Done.
All this is true but I don't think it will work this time. Say what you like about Stammer but there is no-way the press or anyone else can portray him as dangerous looney left redical. The same wouldn't be true for Angela Rayner.
Why not? Smarmer spent years supporting the loony left radicals Corbyn and Abbott.
What are we to make of that? Either he was lying when he said he supported them or he's lying now when he says he didn't.
Sunak supported Boris then stabbed him in the back "
I wouldn't vote for Sunak. He is just another globalist stooge. As is Smarmer. |
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over a year ago
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"On current evidence he's a right wing twat who offers little better than the Tories. A real shame to see Labour like this.
I agree.
As soon as they had a leader that offered meaningful change, they gathered a lot of support fast. The establishment got spooked and put on a sustained smear campaign.
People often argue that for Labour to get elected they have to move to the centre right. Basically to represent the interests of big businesses over the interests of British people. Then they get the funding and the backing of the press.
But then for me, they become pointless, all they're offering is a less-shit, less corrupt version of what we have now.
Tbh, that is how you win elections now, you don’t have to be good, just be slightly less shit than the alternative
You have to be better funded and supported by the media than the alternative.
True, if SKS gets Murdochs support (just like Blair) he will win easily
And we will only be a fine sliver of a margin better off.
But I don't see it happening. We're in for five more years of the same shit.
I don’t think so, the tories have had their time, they are finished for a while, the infighting (which is bubbling under the surface) will start again soon, they will start tearing each other apart and lose the next election (rather than labour ‘winning’ it)
I hope you're right.
I predict that when we start getting close to the election the Tories and their supporting press will kick into gear with.
1. Lots of slander against labour and against Starmer.
2. Burying and stories of their own incompetence and self serving behaviour.
3. Look at those foreigners over there in that small boat.
4. Vote Tories for change. Free unicorns. -Catchy meaningless slogan-
Done.
All this is true but I don't think it will work this time. Say what you like about Stammer but there is no-way the press or anyone else can portray him as dangerous looney left redical. The same wouldn't be true for Angela Rayner.
Why not? Smarmer spent years supporting the loony left radicals Corbyn and Abbott.
What are we to make of that? Either he was lying when he said he supported them or he's lying now when he says he didn't.
Sunak supported Boris then stabbed him in the back "
You trot this out at every opportunity, what’s your point on this? Surely people need to make decisions |
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"On current evidence he's a right wing twat who offers little better than the Tories. A real shame to see Labour like this.
Labour only ever get into power by doing exactly what KS is doing. When will the left wake up and realise that the majority of the country want centre-right
When will the Conservatives get back to realising this?
I see what you did there. However, they don't need to, they've been in power for 13 years.
The Conservative Party that was elected in 2010 and again in 2015 was a party that had appealed to the centre. Maybe more the centre right than the centre left but still the centre. The current Conservative Party has little appeal to any one anywhere near the centre.
I disagree. Johnson moved it to the right. IMO Rishi is brining it back towards the middle. Maybe not enough for the middle-left but Labour will pick up that vote"
I'm not sure Rishi is moving the party back to the centre. What Rishi has got going for him is that he's not "bat shit crazy", like Truss, and doesn't just play to the gallery, like Boris. He also has the advantage that, with the realities of Brexit being seen, the ERG is somewhat crest fallen and this is allowing him to take a much more pragmatic approach to our relationship with the EU. |
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"On current evidence he's a right wing twat who offers little better than the Tories. A real shame to see Labour like this.
I agree.
As soon as they had a leader that offered meaningful change, they gathered a lot of support fast. The establishment got spooked and put on a sustained smear campaign.
People often argue that for Labour to get elected they have to move to the centre right. Basically to represent the interests of big businesses over the interests of British people. Then they get the funding and the backing of the press.
But then for me, they become pointless, all they're offering is a less-shit, less corrupt version of what we have now.
Tbh, that is how you win elections now, you don’t have to be good, just be slightly less shit than the alternative
You have to be better funded and supported by the media than the alternative.
True, if SKS gets Murdochs support (just like Blair) he will win easily
And we will only be a fine sliver of a margin better off.
But I don't see it happening. We're in for five more years of the same shit.
I don’t think so, the tories have had their time, they are finished for a while, the infighting (which is bubbling under the surface) will start again soon, they will start tearing each other apart and lose the next election (rather than labour ‘winning’ it)
I hope you're right.
I predict that when we start getting close to the election the Tories and their supporting press will kick into gear with.
1. Lots of slander against labour and against Starmer.
2. Burying and stories of their own incompetence and self serving behaviour.
3. Look at those foreigners over there in that small boat.
4. Vote Tories for change. Free unicorns. -Catchy meaningless slogan-
Done.
All this is true but I don't think it will work this time. Say what you like about Stammer but there is no-way the press or anyone else can portray him as dangerous looney left redical. The same wouldn't be true for Angela Rayner.
Why not? Smarmer spent years supporting the loony left radicals Corbyn and Abbott.
What are we to make of that? Either he was lying when he said he supported them or he's lying now when he says he didn't.
Sunak supported Boris then stabbed him in the back "
About 43% of the nation believed Bosis' populist bullshit in 2019 and supported him. Are they all guilty of stabbing the "great leader" in the back? Or is it more that Rishi, like millions of other people who believed Boris back in 2019, came to realise that the man was not up to the image he'd portrayed. That basically Boris was a liar and a con man. |
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"On current evidence he's a right wing twat who offers little better than the Tories. A real shame to see Labour like this.
Labour only ever get into power by doing exactly what KS is doing. When will the left wake up and realise that the majority of the country want centre-right
When will the Conservatives get back to realising this?
I see what you did there. However, they don't need to, they've been in power for 13 years.
The Conservative Party that was elected in 2010 and again in 2015 was a party that had appealed to the centre. Maybe more the centre right than the centre left but still the centre. The current Conservative Party has little appeal to any one anywhere near the centre.
I disagree. Johnson moved it to the right. IMO Rishi is brining it back towards the middle. Maybe not enough for the middle-left but Labour will pick up that vote
I'm not sure Rishi is moving the party back to the centre. What Rishi has got going for him is that he's not "bat shit crazy", like Truss, and doesn't just play to the gallery, like Boris. He also has the advantage that, with the realities of Brexit being seen, the ERG is somewhat crest fallen and this is allowing him to take a much more pragmatic approach to our relationship with the EU."
I guess it's a matter of opinion, he hasn't been in the job that long but so far I see a much more central, sensible approach.
We will know in time though. |
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"On current evidence he's a right wing twat who offers little better than the Tories. A real shame to see Labour like this.
I agree.
As soon as they had a leader that offered meaningful change, they gathered a lot of support fast. The establishment got spooked and put on a sustained smear campaign.
People often argue that for Labour to get elected they have to move to the centre right. Basically to represent the interests of big businesses over the interests of British people. Then they get the funding and the backing of the press.
But then for me, they become pointless, all they're offering is a less-shit, less corrupt version of what we have now.
Tbh, that is how you win elections now, you don’t have to be good, just be slightly less shit than the alternative
You have to be better funded and supported by the media than the alternative.
True, if SKS gets Murdochs support (just like Blair) he will win easily
And we will only be a fine sliver of a margin better off.
But I don't see it happening. We're in for five more years of the same shit.
I don’t think so, the tories have had their time, they are finished for a while, the infighting (which is bubbling under the surface) will start again soon, they will start tearing each other apart and lose the next election (rather than labour ‘winning’ it)
I hope you're right.
I predict that when we start getting close to the election the Tories and their supporting press will kick into gear with.
1. Lots of slander against labour and against Starmer.
2. Burying and stories of their own incompetence and self serving behaviour.
3. Look at those foreigners over there in that small boat.
4. Vote Tories for change. Free unicorns. -Catchy meaningless slogan-
Done.
All this is true but I don't think it will work this time. Say what you like about Stammer but there is no-way the press or anyone else can portray him as dangerous looney left redical. The same wouldn't be true for Angela Rayner.
Why not? Smarmer spent years supporting the loony left radicals Corbyn and Abbott.
What are we to make of that? Either he was lying when he said he supported them or he's lying now when he says he didn't.
Sunak supported Boris then stabbed him in the back
About 43% of the nation believed Bosis' populist bullshit in 2019 and supported him. Are they all guilty of stabbing the "great leader" in the back? Or is it more that Rishi, like millions of other people who believed Boris back in 2019, came to realise that the man was not up to the image he'd portrayed. That basically Boris was a liar and a con man."
Tbh, I was highlighting that Sunak did the same to Boris as SKS has done to Corbyn |
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"On current evidence he's a right wing twat who offers little better than the Tories. A real shame to see Labour like this.
I agree.
As soon as they had a leader that offered meaningful change, they gathered a lot of support fast. The establishment got spooked and put on a sustained smear campaign.
People often argue that for Labour to get elected they have to move to the centre right. Basically to represent the interests of big businesses over the interests of British people. Then they get the funding and the backing of the press.
But then for me, they become pointless, all they're offering is a less-shit, less corrupt version of what we have now.
Tbh, that is how you win elections now, you don’t have to be good, just be slightly less shit than the alternative
You have to be better funded and supported by the media than the alternative.
True, if SKS gets Murdochs support (just like Blair) he will win easily
And we will only be a fine sliver of a margin better off.
But I don't see it happening. We're in for five more years of the same shit.
I don’t think so, the tories have had their time, they are finished for a while, the infighting (which is bubbling under the surface) will start again soon, they will start tearing each other apart and lose the next election (rather than labour ‘winning’ it)
I hope you're right.
I predict that when we start getting close to the election the Tories and their supporting press will kick into gear with.
1. Lots of slander against labour and against Starmer.
2. Burying and stories of their own incompetence and self serving behaviour.
3. Look at those foreigners over there in that small boat.
4. Vote Tories for change. Free unicorns. -Catchy meaningless slogan-
Done.
All this is true but I don't think it will work this time. Say what you like about Stammer but there is no-way the press or anyone else can portray him as dangerous looney left redical. The same wouldn't be true for Angela Rayner.
Why not? Smarmer spent years supporting the loony left radicals Corbyn and Abbott.
What are we to make of that? Either he was lying when he said he supported them or he's lying now when he says he didn't.
Sunak supported Boris then stabbed him in the back
I wouldn't vote for Sunak. He is just another globalist stooge. As is Smarmer."
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"On current evidence he's a right wing twat who offers little better than the Tories. A real shame to see Labour like this.
I agree.
As soon as they had a leader that offered meaningful change, they gathered a lot of support fast. The establishment got spooked and put on a sustained smear campaign.
People often argue that for Labour to get elected they have to move to the centre right. Basically to represent the interests of big businesses over the interests of British people. Then they get the funding and the backing of the press.
But then for me, they become pointless, all they're offering is a less-shit, less corrupt version of what we have now.
Tbh, that is how you win elections now, you don’t have to be good, just be slightly less shit than the alternative
You have to be better funded and supported by the media than the alternative.
True, if SKS gets Murdochs support (just like Blair) he will win easily
And we will only be a fine sliver of a margin better off.
But I don't see it happening. We're in for five more years of the same shit.
I don’t think so, the tories have had their time, they are finished for a while, the infighting (which is bubbling under the surface) will start again soon, they will start tearing each other apart and lose the next election (rather than labour ‘winning’ it)
I hope you're right.
I predict that when we start getting close to the election the Tories and their supporting press will kick into gear with.
1. Lots of slander against labour and against Starmer.
2. Burying and stories of their own incompetence and self serving behaviour.
3. Look at those foreigners over there in that small boat.
4. Vote Tories for change. Free unicorns. -Catchy meaningless slogan-
Done.
All this is true but I don't think it will work this time. Say what you like about Stammer but there is no-way the press or anyone else can portray him as dangerous looney left redical. The same wouldn't be true for Angela Rayner."
As the other chap mentioned, anyone a micron to the left of Hitler is "loony left". |
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"He needs to move over and let Angela Raynor lead the team."
This
Starmer is too centrist, a tory in a red tie. But sadly possibly the only way to get the tories out. X |
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The 'radical left' (also known as moderate in Scandinavia) will never be allowed to take power in the UK - they terrify the establishment more than anything else. So labour need to win from the centre, and softly softly, over successive terms, edge the country leftwards with policy. Sadly for Starmer, the first term (if indeed Lab win) will be spent undoing the damage of the past 13-14 years of tory misrule. |
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Starmer has attributes I think make a refreshing change. For example he gives considered responses to events, and not sound-bite reactions. If the Tories do something he can support, he is honest and says so. The problem, is that we are so accustomed to adversarial politics, this approach makes him appear weak. |
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"Starmer has attributes I think make a refreshing change. For example he gives considered responses to events, and not sound-bite reactions. If the Tories do something he can support, he is honest and says so. The problem, is that we are so accustomed to adversarial politics, this approach makes him appear weak."
Voters seem to prefer soundbites
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"Starmer has attributes I think make a refreshing change. For example he gives considered responses to events, and not sound-bite reactions. If the Tories do something he can support, he is honest and says so. The problem, is that we are so accustomed to adversarial politics, this approach makes him appear weak.
Voters seem to prefer soundbites
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Voters prefer confident direction, they are smarter than you think |
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"Starmer has attributes I think make a refreshing change. For example he gives considered responses to events, and not sound-bite reactions. If the Tories do something he can support, he is honest and says so. The problem, is that we are so accustomed to adversarial politics, this approach makes him appear weak.
Voters seem to prefer soundbites
Voters prefer confident direction, they are smarter than you think "
Brexit & 13 years of Tory rule would suggest that voters prefer soundbites over logic and everything else. |
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"Starmer has attributes I think make a refreshing change. For example he gives considered responses to events, and not sound-bite reactions. If the Tories do something he can support, he is honest and says so. The problem, is that we are so accustomed to adversarial politics, this approach makes him appear weak.
Voters seem to prefer soundbites
Voters prefer confident direction, they are smarter than you think
Brexit & 13 years of Tory rule would suggest that voters prefer soundbites over logic and everything else."
That indicates you were not thinking with the majority, not that everyone was wrong
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"Starmer has attributes I think make a refreshing change. For example he gives considered responses to events, and not sound-bite reactions. If the Tories do something he can support, he is honest and says so. The problem, is that we are so accustomed to adversarial politics, this approach makes him appear weak.
Voters seem to prefer soundbites
Voters prefer confident direction, they are smarter than you think
Brexit & 13 years of Tory rule would suggest that voters prefer soundbites over logic and everything else.
That indicates you were not thinking with the majority, not that everyone was wrong
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What?
Brexit and 13 years of Tory rule have been disastrous for British people.
Nothing to do with my thinking. |
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"Starmer has attributes I think make a refreshing change. For example he gives considered responses to events, and not sound-bite reactions. If the Tories do something he can support, he is honest and says so. The problem, is that we are so accustomed to adversarial politics, this approach makes him appear weak.
Voters seem to prefer soundbites
Voters prefer confident direction, they are smarter than you think
Brexit & 13 years of Tory rule would suggest that voters prefer soundbites over logic and everything else.
That indicates you were not thinking with the majority, not that everyone was wrong
What?
Brexit and 13 years of Tory rule have been disastrous for British people.
Nothing to do with my thinking."
The majority of voters, voted for the outcome, you didn’t. Your sound bites were different to their sound bites, voting or thinking differently doesn’t make people less able to decide what’s in their best interests.
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"Starmer has attributes I think make a refreshing change. For example he gives considered responses to events, and not sound-bite reactions. If the Tories do something he can support, he is honest and says so. The problem, is that we are so accustomed to adversarial politics, this approach makes him appear weak.
Voters seem to prefer soundbites
Voters prefer confident direction, they are smarter than you think
Brexit & 13 years of Tory rule would suggest that voters prefer soundbites over logic and everything else.
That indicates you were not thinking with the majority, not that everyone was wrong
What?
Brexit and 13 years of Tory rule have been disastrous for British people.
Nothing to do with my thinking.
The majority of voters, voted for the outcome, you didn’t. Your sound bites were different to their sound bites, voting or thinking differently doesn’t make people less able to decide what’s in their best interests.
That’s democracy "
I feel like you're deliberately missing the point.
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