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"As this discussion still has some way to go… With the last suggestion to make the owing of ammunition illegal. Or it could at least be licensed with limitations set on the amount owned. That would at least preserve the right firearm ownership. However rights come with responsibilities. Discuss….." Didn't a comedian make a joke about. Keeping guns cheap but making bullets cost $10k " damn thay Ni**er must have really piased them off, they emptied the full clip" was the punchline. Chris rock maybe? Wasn't a bad idea.... | |||
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"As this discussion still has some way to go… With the last suggestion to make the owing of ammunition illegal. Or it could at least be licensed with limitations set on the amount owned. People reload their own ammo. There would be a huge influx in black market sales. That would at least preserve the right firearm ownership. However rights come with responsibilities. Discuss….. Didn't a comedian make a joke about. Keeping guns cheap but making bullets cost $10k " damn thay Ni**er must have really piased them off, they emptied the full clip" was the punchline. Chris rock maybe? Wasn't a bad idea...." | |||
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"As this discussion still has some way to go… With the last suggestion to make the owing of ammunition illegal. Or it could at least be licensed with limitations set on the amount owned. People reload their own ammo. There would be a huge influx in black market sales. That would at least preserve the right firearm ownership. However rights come with responsibilities. Discuss….. Didn't a comedian make a joke about. Keeping guns cheap but making bullets cost $10k " damn thay Ni**er must have really piased them off, they emptied the full clip" was the punchline. Chris rock maybe? Wasn't a bad idea...." You could also make the materials to reload prohibitively expensive for civilian use…. | |||
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"It’s interesting that at the end of the thread we talk about public opinion vs party politics…. Because gun safety measures isn’t really a 50-50 issue… the majority of people do want “some” gun control measures… it’s a 70-30 issue, the problem is the republicans party are so in the pockets of the gun lobby and there base that any measure is seen as an attack…. Take us back a week to the “Tennessee 3” where the issue they got kicked out for was gun control…. So the governor who is a republican made the suggestion after the school shootings that killed 3 children and 3 teachers that maybe there should be a red flag law….and implored the state house consider it Red flag law is a benign thing, shouldn’t really be that controversial …… The republican super majority state house…. Hhhmmmm… nah!!! The fact that in this time of mass shooting that places like Texas and Florida are actually loosening gun laws is really perverse…. " Why do you think they are making their gun laws less prohibitive, there must be a reason behind that move. | |||
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"It’s interesting that at the end of the thread we talk about public opinion vs party politics…. Because gun safety measures isn’t really a 50-50 issue… the majority of people do want “some” gun control measures… it’s a 70-30 issue, the problem is the republicans party are so in the pockets of the gun lobby and there base that any measure is seen as an attack…. Take us back a week to the “Tennessee 3” where the issue they got kicked out for was gun control…. So the governor who is a republican made the suggestion after the school shootings that killed 3 children and 3 teachers that maybe there should be a red flag law….and implored the state house consider it Red flag law is a benign thing, shouldn’t really be that controversial …… The republican super majority state house…. Hhhmmmm… nah!!! The fact that in this time of mass shooting that places like Texas and Florida are actually loosening gun laws is really perverse…. Why do you think they are making their gun laws less prohibitive, there must be a reason behind that move. " 4 words…. Republican governors and legislators! Gun safety became tied up in their war to dunk on libs! Bit like abortion… how much can they all outdo each other on the race to the bottom to see who can be the strictest | |||
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"It’s interesting that at the end of the thread we talk about public opinion vs party politics…. Because gun safety measures isn’t really a 50-50 issue… the majority of people do want “some” gun control measures… it’s a 70-30 issue, the problem is the republicans party are so in the pockets of the gun lobby and there base that any measure is seen as an attack…. Take us back a week to the “Tennessee 3” where the issue they got kicked out for was gun control…. So the governor who is a republican made the suggestion after the school shootings that killed 3 children and 3 teachers that maybe there should be a red flag law….and implored the state house consider it Red flag law is a benign thing, shouldn’t really be that controversial …… The republican super majority state house…. Hhhmmmm… nah!!! The fact that in this time of mass shooting that places like Texas and Florida are actually loosening gun laws is really perverse…. Why do you think they are making their gun laws less prohibitive, there must be a reason behind that move. 4 words…. Republican governors and legislators! Gun safety became tied up in their war to dunk on libs! Bit like abortion… how much can they all outdo each other on the race to the bottom to see who can be the strictest " didn't the people vote them in ? Desantis got voted in overwhelmingly. Why is that ? | |||
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"It’s interesting that at the end of the thread we talk about public opinion vs party politics…. Because gun safety measures isn’t really a 50-50 issue… the majority of people do want “some” gun control measures… it’s a 70-30 issue, the problem is the republicans party are so in the pockets of the gun lobby and there base that any measure is seen as an attack…. Take us back a week to the “Tennessee 3” where the issue they got kicked out for was gun control…. So the governor who is a republican made the suggestion after the school shootings that killed 3 children and 3 teachers that maybe there should be a red flag law….and implored the state house consider it Red flag law is a benign thing, shouldn’t really be that controversial …… The republican super majority state house…. Hhhmmmm… nah!!! The fact that in this time of mass shooting that places like Texas and Florida are actually loosening gun laws is really perverse…. Why do you think they are making their gun laws less prohibitive, there must be a reason behind that move. 4 words…. Republican governors and legislators! Gun safety became tied up in their war to dunk on libs! Bit like abortion… how much can they all outdo each other on the race to the bottom to see who can be the strictest didn't the people vote them in ? Desantis got voted in overwhelmingly. Why is that ?" Florida is a seriously gerrymandered state where even though at most it’s a 55-45 state either way, Florida republicans have a super majority in both state houses….so all a governor has to do is sign legislation… Case in point… the new law’s relaxing gun safety measures (brought in after the parkland school and the pulse nightclub shootings)… and the decision to bring in a 6 week abortion ban | |||
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"It’s interesting that at the end of the thread we talk about public opinion vs party politics…. Because gun safety measures isn’t really a 50-50 issue… the majority of people do want “some” gun control measures… it’s a 70-30 issue, the problem is the republicans party are so in the pockets of the gun lobby and there base that any measure is seen as an attack…. Take us back a week to the “Tennessee 3” where the issue they got kicked out for was gun control…. So the governor who is a republican made the suggestion after the school shootings that killed 3 children and 3 teachers that maybe there should be a red flag law….and implored the state house consider it Red flag law is a benign thing, shouldn’t really be that controversial …… The republican super majority state house…. Hhhmmmm… nah!!! The fact that in this time of mass shooting that places like Texas and Florida are actually loosening gun laws is really perverse…. Why do you think they are making their gun laws less prohibitive, there must be a reason behind that move. 4 words…. Republican governors and legislators! Gun safety became tied up in their war to dunk on libs! Bit like abortion… how much can they all outdo each other on the race to the bottom to see who can be the strictest didn't the people vote them in ? Desantis got voted in overwhelmingly. Why is that ? Florida is a seriously gerrymandered state where even though at most it’s a 55-45 state either way, Florida republicans have a super majority in both state houses….so all a governor has to do is sign legislation… Case in point… the new law’s relaxing gun safety measures (brought in after the parkland school and the pulse nightclub shootings)… and the decision to bring in a 6 week abortion ban " 25 other states have the same laws. It's up to the people the people voted them in the state legislatures listened. Just like all the other states that vote against owning firearms. The politicians listened in those states to what the people wanted. | |||
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"Nothing said about the 2 mass shootings in Serbia this week which was all over the news and many children died. Hypocrites" Exactly  | |||
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"Nothing said about the 2 mass shootings in Serbia this week which was all over the news and many children died. Hypocrites Exactly "Funny how media plays a huge role in people's perception. | |||
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"Nothing said about the 2 mass shootings in Serbia this week which was all over the news and many children died. Hypocrites Exactly Funny how media plays a huge role in people's perception. "No one said anything about Serbia all week. Why is that ? | |||
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"Nothing said about the 2 mass shootings in Serbia this week which was all over the news and many children died. Hypocrites Exactly Funny how media plays a huge role in people's perception. No one said anything about Serbia all week. Why is that ? "Because there is not the same denial of reality in Serbia and these events are rare rather than frequent? It was a war-torn country so full of illegal weapons but officially the laws are quite strict: "People over the age 18 may own firearms only with a permit issued after a thorough background check with police. A medical exam is also mandatory and must be repeated every five years. There must be no history of crime, mental disorder, alcohol or illegal substance use, firearms must be stored locked in a designated gun cabinet, and may be confiscated if the owner is found to be irresponsible. Gun owners are also required to pass a training course and a questionnaire about gun legislation. Having a permit to own a firearm does not itself allow the bearer to carry the weapon anywhere outside the home. Concealed carry permits are very difficult to obtain." https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/serbia-school-shooting-what-are-countrys-gun-laws-2023-05-03/ They are tightening their laws further as a consequence. Just as most other countries do under similar circumstances. "Serbia tightens gun control after deadly school shooting" https://www.dw.com/en/serbia-tightens-gun-control-after-deadly-school-shooting/a-65516729 It's a terrible thing, but they seem to be acting on it. What has been done in the US over the past 50 years to reduce such incidents? | |||
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"Nothing said about the 2 mass shootings in Serbia this week which was all over the news and many children died. Hypocrites Exactly Funny how media plays a huge role in people's perception. No one said anything about Serbia all week. Why is that ?
Because there is not the same denial of reality in Serbia and these events are rare rather than frequent?
It was a war-torn country so full of illegal weapons but officially the laws are quite strict:
"People over the age 18 may own firearms only with a permit issued after a thorough background check with police. A medical exam is also mandatory and must be repeated every five years.
There must be no history of crime, mental disorder, alcohol or illegal substance use, firearms must be stored locked in a designated gun cabinet, and may be confiscated if the owner is found to be irresponsible.
Gun owners are also required to pass a training course and a questionnaire about gun legislation.
Having a permit to own a firearm does not itself allow the bearer to carry the weapon anywhere outside the home. Concealed carry permits are very difficult to obtain."
https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/serbia-school-shooting-what-are-countrys-gun-laws-2023-05-03/
They are tightening their laws further as a consequence. Just as most other countries do under similar circumstances.
"Serbia tightens gun control after deadly school shooting"
https://www.dw.com/en/serbia-tightens-gun-control-after-deadly-school-shooting/a-65516729
It's a terrible thing, but they seem to be acting on it. What has been done in the US over the past 50 years to reduce such incidents?"States are passing laws according to what their constituents want by their elected legislatures. It's up to the states to choose. Not the federal government. | |||
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"Nothing said about the 2 mass shootings in Serbia this week which was all over the news and many children died. Hypocrites Exactly Funny how media plays a huge role in people's perception. No one said anything about Serbia all week. Why is that ?
Because there is not the same denial of reality in Serbia and these events are rare rather than frequent?
It was a war-torn country so full of illegal weapons but officially the laws are quite strict:
"People over the age 18 may own firearms only with a permit issued after a thorough background check with police. A medical exam is also mandatory and must be repeated every five years.
There must be no history of crime, mental disorder, alcohol or illegal substance use, firearms must be stored locked in a designated gun cabinet, and may be confiscated if the owner is found to be irresponsible.
Gun owners are also required to pass a training course and a questionnaire about gun legislation.
Having a permit to own a firearm does not itself allow the bearer to carry the weapon anywhere outside the home. Concealed carry permits are very difficult to obtain."
https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/serbia-school-shooting-what-are-countrys-gun-laws-2023-05-03/
They are tightening their laws further as a consequence. Just as most other countries do under similar circumstances.
"Serbia tightens gun control after deadly school shooting"
https://www.dw.com/en/serbia-tightens-gun-control-after-deadly-school-shooting/a-65516729
It's a terrible thing, but they seem to be acting on it. What has been done in the US over the past 50 years to reduce such incidents? States are passing laws according to what their constituents want by their elected legislatures. It's up to the states to choose. Not the federal government."Are many of them choosing to do something, or are they cool with regular mass shootings? | |||
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"Nothing said about the 2 mass shootings in Serbia this week which was all over the news and many children died. Hypocrites Exactly Funny how media plays a huge role in people's perception. No one said anything about Serbia all week. Why is that ?
Because there is not the same denial of reality in Serbia and these events are rare rather than frequent?
It was a war-torn country so full of illegal weapons but officially the laws are quite strict:
"People over the age 18 may own firearms only with a permit issued after a thorough background check with police. A medical exam is also mandatory and must be repeated every five years.
There must be no history of crime, mental disorder, alcohol or illegal substance use, firearms must be stored locked in a designated gun cabinet, and may be confiscated if the owner is found to be irresponsible.
Gun owners are also required to pass a training course and a questionnaire about gun legislation.
Having a permit to own a firearm does not itself allow the bearer to carry the weapon anywhere outside the home. Concealed carry permits are very difficult to obtain."
https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/serbia-school-shooting-what-are-countrys-gun-laws-2023-05-03/
They are tightening their laws further as a consequence. Just as most other countries do under similar circumstances.
"Serbia tightens gun control after deadly school shooting"
https://www.dw.com/en/serbia-tightens-gun-control-after-deadly-school-shooting/a-65516729
It's a terrible thing, but they seem to be acting on it. What has been done in the US over the past 50 years to reduce such incidents? States are passing laws according to what their constituents want by their elected legislatures. It's up to the states to choose. Not the federal government.
Are many of them choosing to do something, or are they cool with regular mass shootings?"Some are enacting their own laws. | |||
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"Nothing said about the 2 mass shootings in Serbia this week which was all over the news and many children died. Hypocrites Exactly Funny how media plays a huge role in people's perception. No one said anything about Serbia all week. Why is that ?
Because there is not the same denial of reality in Serbia and these events are rare rather than frequent?
It was a war-torn country so full of illegal weapons but officially the laws are quite strict:
"People over the age 18 may own firearms only with a permit issued after a thorough background check with police. A medical exam is also mandatory and must be repeated every five years.
There must be no history of crime, mental disorder, alcohol or illegal substance use, firearms must be stored locked in a designated gun cabinet, and may be confiscated if the owner is found to be irresponsible.
Gun owners are also required to pass a training course and a questionnaire about gun legislation.
Having a permit to own a firearm does not itself allow the bearer to carry the weapon anywhere outside the home. Concealed carry permits are very difficult to obtain."
https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/serbia-school-shooting-what-are-countrys-gun-laws-2023-05-03/
They are tightening their laws further as a consequence. Just as most other countries do under similar circumstances.
"Serbia tightens gun control after deadly school shooting"
https://www.dw.com/en/serbia-tightens-gun-control-after-deadly-school-shooting/a-65516729
It's a terrible thing, but they seem to be acting on it. What has been done in the US over the past 50 years to reduce such incidents? States are passing laws according to what their constituents want by their elected legislatures. It's up to the states to choose. Not the federal government.
Are many of them choosing to do something, or are they cool with regular mass shootings? Some are enacting their own laws."Let's hope it works, and everyone else follows. | |||
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"Nothing said about the 2 mass shootings in Serbia this week which was all over the news and many children died. Hypocrites Exactly Funny how media plays a huge role in people's perception. No one said anything about Serbia all week. Why is that ?
Because there is not the same denial of reality in Serbia and these events are rare rather than frequent?
It was a war-torn country so full of illegal weapons but officially the laws are quite strict:
"People over the age 18 may own firearms only with a permit issued after a thorough background check with police. A medical exam is also mandatory and must be repeated every five years.
There must be no history of crime, mental disorder, alcohol or illegal substance use, firearms must be stored locked in a designated gun cabinet, and may be confiscated if the owner is found to be irresponsible.
Gun owners are also required to pass a training course and a questionnaire about gun legislation.
Having a permit to own a firearm does not itself allow the bearer to carry the weapon anywhere outside the home. Concealed carry permits are very difficult to obtain."
https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/serbia-school-shooting-what-are-countrys-gun-laws-2023-05-03/
They are tightening their laws further as a consequence. Just as most other countries do under similar circumstances.
"Serbia tightens gun control after deadly school shooting"
https://www.dw.com/en/serbia-tightens-gun-control-after-deadly-school-shooting/a-65516729
It's a terrible thing, but they seem to be acting on it. What has been done in the US over the past 50 years to reduce such incidents? States are passing laws according to what their constituents want by their elected legislatures. It's up to the states to choose. Not the federal government.
Are many of them choosing to do something, or are they cool with regular mass shootings? Some are enacting their own laws."like Desantis who made conceal carrying without a permit legal. I suppose Floridians feel safer knowing the 7000 people who were refused a permit last year can now conceal carry without hindrance. | |||
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"Nothing said about the 2 mass shootings in Serbia this week which was all over the news and many children died. Hypocrites Exactly Funny how media plays a huge role in people's perception. No one said anything about Serbia all week. Why is that ?
Because there is not the same denial of reality in Serbia and these events are rare rather than frequent?
It was a war-torn country so full of illegal weapons but officially the laws are quite strict:
"People over the age 18 may own firearms only with a permit issued after a thorough background check with police. A medical exam is also mandatory and must be repeated every five years.
There must be no history of crime, mental disorder, alcohol or illegal substance use, firearms must be stored locked in a designated gun cabinet, and may be confiscated if the owner is found to be irresponsible.
Gun owners are also required to pass a training course and a questionnaire about gun legislation.
Having a permit to own a firearm does not itself allow the bearer to carry the weapon anywhere outside the home. Concealed carry permits are very difficult to obtain."
https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/serbia-school-shooting-what-are-countrys-gun-laws-2023-05-03/
They are tightening their laws further as a consequence. Just as most other countries do under similar circumstances.
"Serbia tightens gun control after deadly school shooting"
https://www.dw.com/en/serbia-tightens-gun-control-after-deadly-school-shooting/a-65516729
It's a terrible thing, but they seem to be acting on it. What has been done in the US over the past 50 years to reduce such incidents? States are passing laws according to what their constituents want by their elected legislatures. It's up to the states to choose. Not the federal government.
Are many of them choosing to do something, or are they cool with regular mass shootings? Some are enacting their own laws.
like Desantis who made conceal carrying without a permit legal. I suppose Floridians feel safer knowing the 7000 people who were refused a permit last year can now conceal carry without hindrance."That what Floridians wanted. Just like people in Washington wanted a assault weapon ban. Their elected legislatures did what the people wanted. | |||
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"Nothing said about the 2 mass shootings in Serbia this week which was all over the news and many children died. Hypocrites Exactly Funny how media plays a huge role in people's perception. No one said anything about Serbia all week. Why is that ?
Because there is not the same denial of reality in Serbia and these events are rare rather than frequent?
It was a war-torn country so full of illegal weapons but officially the laws are quite strict:
"People over the age 18 may own firearms only with a permit issued after a thorough background check with police. A medical exam is also mandatory and must be repeated every five years.
There must be no history of crime, mental disorder, alcohol or illegal substance use, firearms must be stored locked in a designated gun cabinet, and may be confiscated if the owner is found to be irresponsible.
Gun owners are also required to pass a training course and a questionnaire about gun legislation.
Having a permit to own a firearm does not itself allow the bearer to carry the weapon anywhere outside the home. Concealed carry permits are very difficult to obtain."
https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/serbia-school-shooting-what-are-countrys-gun-laws-2023-05-03/
They are tightening their laws further as a consequence. Just as most other countries do under similar circumstances.
"Serbia tightens gun control after deadly school shooting"
https://www.dw.com/en/serbia-tightens-gun-control-after-deadly-school-shooting/a-65516729
It's a terrible thing, but they seem to be acting on it. What has been done in the US over the past 50 years to reduce such incidents? States are passing laws according to what their constituents want by their elected legislatures. It's up to the states to choose. Not the federal government.
Are many of them choosing to do something, or are they cool with regular mass shootings? Some are enacting their own laws.
like Desantis who made conceal carrying without a permit legal. I suppose Floridians feel safer knowing the 7000 people who were refused a permit last year can now conceal carry without hindrance. That what Floridians wanted. Just like people in Washington wanted a assault weapon ban. Their elected legislatures did what the people wanted. "Or did they do what the NRA sponsored propaganda told them to? | |||
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"Nothing said about the 2 mass shootings in Serbia this week which was all over the news and many children died. Hypocrites Exactly Funny how media plays a huge role in people's perception. No one said anything about Serbia all week. Why is that ?
Because there is not the same denial of reality in Serbia and these events are rare rather than frequent?
It was a war-torn country so full of illegal weapons but officially the laws are quite strict:
"People over the age 18 may own firearms only with a permit issued after a thorough background check with police. A medical exam is also mandatory and must be repeated every five years.
There must be no history of crime, mental disorder, alcohol or illegal substance use, firearms must be stored locked in a designated gun cabinet, and may be confiscated if the owner is found to be irresponsible.
Gun owners are also required to pass a training course and a questionnaire about gun legislation.
Having a permit to own a firearm does not itself allow the bearer to carry the weapon anywhere outside the home. Concealed carry permits are very difficult to obtain."
https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/serbia-school-shooting-what-are-countrys-gun-laws-2023-05-03/
They are tightening their laws further as a consequence. Just as most other countries do under similar circumstances.
"Serbia tightens gun control after deadly school shooting"
https://www.dw.com/en/serbia-tightens-gun-control-after-deadly-school-shooting/a-65516729
It's a terrible thing, but they seem to be acting on it. What has been done in the US over the past 50 years to reduce such incidents? States are passing laws according to what their constituents want by their elected legislatures. It's up to the states to choose. Not the federal government.
Are many of them choosing to do something, or are they cool with regular mass shootings? Some are enacting their own laws.
like Desantis who made conceal carrying without a permit legal. I suppose Floridians feel safer knowing the 7000 people who were refused a permit last year can now conceal carry without hindrance. That what Floridians wanted. Just like people in Washington wanted a assault weapon ban. Their elected legislatures did what the people wanted.
Or did they do what the NRA sponsored propaganda told them to?"The NRA is not a driving factor to purchase a firearm now are they? I certainly do not pay attention to what the NRA does nor do I belong to them. Just like millions of others. | |||
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" suppose Floridians feel safer knowing the 7000 people who were refused a permit last year can now conceal carry without hindrance." Were any of the mass shootings made possible because the shooter was carrying a concealed weapon? Do you think that potential killers would give up on their plans because they couldn't get a permit for concealed carry? | |||
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"If ai gun sales increased over the past few years. The number one reason is for self defense. The pandemic the civil unrest are the driving factors for the purchases. People just want to be prepared for any situation. " what situation are you worried about in America ? | |||
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"If ai gun sales increased over the past few years. The number one reason is for self defense. The pandemic the civil unrest are the driving factors for the purchases. People just want to be prepared for any situation. what situation are you worried about in America ? None I am perfectly happy with my state legislatures. I follow the firearm ownership laws. People vote their state legislatures in according to their wishes for a reason. " | |||
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"If ai gun sales increased over the past few years. The number one reason is for self defense. The pandemic the civil unrest are the driving factors for the purchases. People just want to be prepared for any situation. " This is the most American thing ever. | |||
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"If ai gun sales increased over the past few years. The number one reason is for self defense. The pandemic the civil unrest are the driving factors for the purchases. People just want to be prepared for any situation. This is the most American thing ever." and it's all true | |||
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"If ai gun sales increased over the past few years. The number one reason is for self defense. The pandemic the civil unrest are the driving factors for the purchases. People just want to be prepared for any situation. This is the most American thing ever." When there is police shortages practically everywhere you go here the only response to a situation is yourself. | |||
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"If ai gun sales increased over the past few years. The number one reason is for self defense. The pandemic the civil unrest are the driving factors for the purchases. People just want to be prepared for any situation. This is the most American thing ever. When there is police shortages practically everywhere you go here the only response to a situation is yourself." buy what are you worried about? | |||
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"If ai gun sales increased over the past few years. The number one reason is for self defense. The pandemic the civil unrest are the driving factors for the purchases. People just want to be prepared for any situation. what situation are you worried about in America ? None I am perfectly happy with my state legislatures. I follow the firearm ownership laws. People vote their state legislatures in according to their wishes for a reason. " What about Congress not rasing the Debt Ceiling limit within the next month or so. Eight million people made unemployed, all with guns could get unattractive quite quickly.  | |||
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"If ai gun sales increased over the past few years. The number one reason is for self defense. The pandemic the civil unrest are the driving factors for the purchases. People just want to be prepared for any situation. This is the most American thing ever. When there is police shortages practically everywhere you go here the only response to a situation is yourself.buy what are you worried about?" American media is like the Daily Mail on steroids. Always be afraid, of everything, and everyone. | |||
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"If ai gun sales increased over the past few years. The number one reason is for self defense. The pandemic the civil unrest are the driving factors for the purchases. People just want to be prepared for any situation. This is the most American thing ever. When there is police shortages practically everywhere you go here the only response to a situation is yourself.buy what are you worried about?" I have nothing to worry about. I am just prepared. Just like preparing for Tornados Hurricane floods wild animals ect..It's adapting to situations. | |||
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"If ai gun sales increased over the past few years. The number one reason is for self defense. The pandemic the civil unrest are the driving factors for the purchases. People just want to be prepared for any situation. This is the most American thing ever. When there is police shortages practically everywhere you go here the only response to a situation is yourself.buy what are you worried about? I have nothing to worry about. I am just prepared. Just like preparing for Tornados Hurricane floods wild animals ect..It's adapting to situations." but for what ? What do you think *may* happen that needs guns. From the outside, you're planning for some serious civil unrest (which is not a good sign about wider US policies). And I wonder if this unrest is somewhat compounded by the gun culture. | |||
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"If ai gun sales increased over the past few years. The number one reason is for self defense. The pandemic the civil unrest are the driving factors for the purchases. People just want to be prepared for any situation. This is the most American thing ever. When there is police shortages practically everywhere you go here the only response to a situation is yourself.buy what are you worried about? I have nothing to worry about. I am just prepared. Just like preparing for Tornados Hurricane floods wild animals ect..It's adapting to situations.but for what ? What do you think *may* happen that needs guns. From the outside, you're planning for some serious civil unrest (which is not a good sign about wider US policies). And I wonder if this unrest is somewhat compounded by the gun culture." I am not planning for civil unrest. I am planning for self preservation if a need arises. Just like preparing for natural disasters. Guns always and will be a part of our culture. You either want the protection or don't. | |||
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"If ai gun sales increased over the past few years. The number one reason is for self defense. The pandemic the civil unrest are the driving factors for the purchases. People just want to be prepared for any situation. This is the most American thing ever. When there is police shortages practically everywhere you go here the only response to a situation is yourself.buy what are you worried about? I have nothing to worry about. I am just prepared. Just like preparing for Tornados Hurricane floods wild animals ect..It's adapting to situations.but for what ? What do you think *may* happen that needs guns. From the outside, you're planning for some serious civil unrest (which is not a good sign about wider US policies). And I wonder if this unrest is somewhat compounded by the gun culture." Think of the pistol I carry like a smoke alarm. You don't necessarily need it but you would want to have if the need arises | |||
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"If ai gun sales increased over the past few years. The number one reason is for self defense. The pandemic the civil unrest are the driving factors for the purchases. People just want to be prepared for any situation. This is the most American thing ever. When there is police shortages practically everywhere you go here the only response to a situation is yourself.buy what are you worried about? I have nothing to worry about. I am just prepared. Just like preparing for Tornados Hurricane floods wild animals ect..It's adapting to situations.but for what ? What do you think *may* happen that needs guns. From the outside, you're planning for some serious civil unrest (which is not a good sign about wider US policies). And I wonder if this unrest is somewhat compounded by the gun culture. I am not planning for civil unrest. I am planning for self preservation if a need arises. Just like preparing for natural disasters. Guns always and will be a part of our culture. You either want the protection or don't. " self preservation against what ? Protection against what ? | |||
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"If ai gun sales increased over the past few years. The number one reason is for self defense. The pandemic the civil unrest are the driving factors for the purchases. People just want to be prepared for any situation. This is the most American thing ever. When there is police shortages practically everywhere you go here the only response to a situation is yourself.buy what are you worried about? I have nothing to worry about. I am just prepared. Just like preparing for Tornados Hurricane floods wild animals ect..It's adapting to situations.but for what ? What do you think *may* happen that needs guns. From the outside, you're planning for some serious civil unrest (which is not a good sign about wider US policies). And I wonder if this unrest is somewhat compounded by the gun culture. Think of the pistol I carry like a smoke alarm. You don't necessarily need it but you would want to have if the need arises "a smoke alarm that also causes fires !  | |||
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"If ai gun sales increased over the past few years. The number one reason is for self defense. The pandemic the civil unrest are the driving factors for the purchases. People just want to be prepared for any situation. This is the most American thing ever. When there is police shortages practically everywhere you go here the only response to a situation is yourself.buy what are you worried about? I have nothing to worry about. I am just prepared. Just like preparing for Tornados Hurricane floods wild animals ect..It's adapting to situations.but for what ? What do you think *may* happen that needs guns. From the outside, you're planning for some serious civil unrest (which is not a good sign about wider US policies). And I wonder if this unrest is somewhat compounded by the gun culture. Think of the pistol I carry like a smoke alarm. You don't necessarily need it but you would want to have if the need arises a smoke alarm that also causes fires ! "But you still have one. | |||
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"Nothing said about the 2 mass shootings in Serbia this week which was all over the news and many children died. Hypocrites Exactly Funny how media plays a huge role in people's perception. No one said anything about Serbia all week. Why is that ?
Because there is not the same denial of reality in Serbia and these events are rare rather than frequent?
It was a war-torn country so full of illegal weapons but officially the laws are quite strict:
"People over the age 18 may own firearms only with a permit issued after a thorough background check with police. A medical exam is also mandatory and must be repeated every five years.
There must be no history of crime, mental disorder, alcohol or illegal substance use, firearms must be stored locked in a designated gun cabinet, and may be confiscated if the owner is found to be irresponsible.
Gun owners are also required to pass a training course and a questionnaire about gun legislation.
Having a permit to own a firearm does not itself allow the bearer to carry the weapon anywhere outside the home. Concealed carry permits are very difficult to obtain."
https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/serbia-school-shooting-what-are-countrys-gun-laws-2023-05-03/
They are tightening their laws further as a consequence. Just as most other countries do under similar circumstances.
"Serbia tightens gun control after deadly school shooting"
https://www.dw.com/en/serbia-tightens-gun-control-after-deadly-school-shooting/a-65516729
It's a terrible thing, but they seem to be acting on it. What has been done in the US over the past 50 years to reduce such incidents? States are passing laws according to what their constituents want by their elected legislatures. It's up to the states to choose. Not the federal government."So, you understand why there is no huge outcry over what happened in Serbia, beyond sympathy. Nothing has really in done in the USA after frequent mass and individual shootings. In fact, many states have made their gun controls more lax, because that's what their voters want? Interesting. | |||
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"If ai gun sales increased over the past few years. The number one reason is for self defense. The pandemic the civil unrest are the driving factors for the purchases. People just want to be prepared for any situation. This is the most American thing ever. When there is police shortages practically everywhere you go here the only response to a situation is yourself.buy what are you worried about? I have nothing to worry about. I am just prepared. Just like preparing for Tornados Hurricane floods wild animals ect..It's adapting to situations." I have nothing to worry about. I don't have to be prepared. That's a particularly pleasant way to live. | |||
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"If ai gun sales increased over the past few years. The number one reason is for self defense. The pandemic the civil unrest are the driving factors for the purchases. People just want to be prepared for any situation. This is the most American thing ever. When there is police shortages practically everywhere you go here the only response to a situation is yourself.buy what are you worried about? I have nothing to worry about. I am just prepared. Just like preparing for Tornados Hurricane floods wild animals ect..It's adapting to situations. I have nothing to worry about. I don't have to be prepared. That's a particularly pleasant way to live. " Glad for you and I am perfectly happy with my choices too. | |||
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"If ai gun sales increased over the past few years. The number one reason is for self defense. The pandemic the civil unrest are the driving factors for the purchases. People just want to be prepared for any situation. This is the most American thing ever. When there is police shortages practically everywhere you go here the only response to a situation is yourself.buy what are you worried about? I have nothing to worry about. I am just prepared. Just like preparing for Tornados Hurricane floods wild animals ect..It's adapting to situations. I have nothing to worry about. I don't have to be prepared. That's a particularly pleasant way to live. Glad for you and I am perfectly happy with my choices too. "Except that you seem to have to live your life preparing to be shot and I don't. | |||
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"If ai gun sales increased over the past few years. The number one reason is for self defense. The pandemic the civil unrest are the driving factors for the purchases. People just want to be prepared for any situation. This is the most American thing ever. When there is police shortages practically everywhere you go here the only response to a situation is yourself.buy what are you worried about? I have nothing to worry about. I am just prepared. Just like preparing for Tornados Hurricane floods wild animals ect..It's adapting to situations. I have nothing to worry about. I don't have to be prepared. That's a particularly pleasant way to live. Glad for you and I am perfectly happy with my choices too.
Except that you seem to have to live your life preparing to be shot and I don't."Again my choice I have no issues preparing. It's actually fun. Come on over I will take you to the range. Do some 3 gun and sporting clays. It helps to be prepared | |||
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"If ai gun sales increased over the past few years. The number one reason is for self defense. The pandemic the civil unrest are the driving factors for the purchases. People just want to be prepared for any situation. This is the most American thing ever. When there is police shortages practically everywhere you go here the only response to a situation is yourself.buy what are you worried about? I have nothing to worry about. I am just prepared. Just like preparing for Tornados Hurricane floods wild animals ect..It's adapting to situations. I have nothing to worry about. I don't have to be prepared. That's a particularly pleasant way to live. Glad for you and I am perfectly happy with my choices too.
Except that you seem to have to live your life preparing to be shot and I don't. Again my choice I have no issues preparing. It's actually fun. Come on over I will take you to the range. Do some 3 gun and sporting clays. It helps to be prepared "I will even use bismuth bullets to keep it environmentally accepting for you. Instead of lead. | |||
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"If ai gun sales increased over the past few years. The number one reason is for self defense. The pandemic the civil unrest are the driving factors for the purchases. People just want to be prepared for any situation. This is the most American thing ever. When there is police shortages practically everywhere you go here the only response to a situation is yourself.buy what are you worried about? I have nothing to worry about. I am just prepared. Just like preparing for Tornados Hurricane floods wild animals ect..It's adapting to situations. I have nothing to worry about. I don't have to be prepared. That's a particularly pleasant way to live. Glad for you and I am perfectly happy with my choices too.
Except that you seem to have to live your life preparing to be shot and I don't. Again my choice I have no issues preparing. It's actually fun. Come on over I will take you to the range. Do some 3 gun and sporting clays. It helps to be prepared "Americans do like living on the edge. Anyone who lives in a area called Tornado Ally and builds their house out of wood and dry wall knows that getting shot is the least of their worries. | |||
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"If ai gun sales increased over the past few years. The number one reason is for self defense. The pandemic the civil unrest are the driving factors for the purchases. People just want to be prepared for any situation. This is the most American thing ever. When there is police shortages practically everywhere you go here the only response to a situation is yourself.buy what are you worried about? I have nothing to worry about. I am just prepared. Just like preparing for Tornados Hurricane floods wild animals ect..It's adapting to situations. I have nothing to worry about. I don't have to be prepared. That's a particularly pleasant way to live. Glad for you and I am perfectly happy with my choices too.
Except that you seem to have to live your life preparing to be shot and I don't. Again my choice I have no issues preparing. It's actually fun. Come on over I will take you to the range. Do some 3 gun and sporting clays. It helps to be prepared
Americans do like living on the edge. Anyone who lives in a area called Tornado Ally and builds their house out of wood and dry wall knows that getting shot is the least of their worries. "Lol True we get them here too. The one that hit a few years ago wiped out a bunch of businesses. There was this one little flower tent that survived the tornado. So when there are alerts the running joke is "Get to the flower tent" in Arnold schwarzeneggers voice. | |||
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"If ai gun sales increased over the past few years. The number one reason is for self defense. The pandemic the civil unrest are the driving factors for the purchases. People just want to be prepared for any situation. This is the most American thing ever. When there is police shortages practically everywhere you go here the only response to a situation is yourself.buy what are you worried about? I have nothing to worry about. I am just prepared. Just like preparing for Tornados Hurricane floods wild animals ect..It's adapting to situations. I have nothing to worry about. I don't have to be prepared. That's a particularly pleasant way to live. Glad for you and I am perfectly happy with my choices too.
Except that you seem to have to live your life preparing to be shot and I don't. Again my choice I have no issues preparing. It's actually fun. Come on over I will take you to the range. Do some 3 gun and sporting clays. It helps to be prepared "Why do you assume that I am uncomfortable around weapons and don't know how to handle them? Perfectly fine on a range. Not in a home and not in a public place. | |||
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"If ai gun sales increased over the past few years. The number one reason is for self defense. The pandemic the civil unrest are the driving factors for the purchases. People just want to be prepared for any situation. This is the most American thing ever. When there is police shortages practically everywhere you go here the only response to a situation is yourself.buy what are you worried about? I have nothing to worry about. I am just prepared. Just like preparing for Tornados Hurricane floods wild animals ect..It's adapting to situations. I have nothing to worry about. I don't have to be prepared. That's a particularly pleasant way to live. Glad for you and I am perfectly happy with my choices too.
Except that you seem to have to live your life preparing to be shot and I don't. Again my choice I have no issues preparing. It's actually fun. Come on over I will take you to the range. Do some 3 gun and sporting clays. It helps to be prepared
Why do you assume that I am uncomfortable around weapons and don't know how to handle them?
Perfectly fine on a range.
Not in a home and not in a public place."Do you have experience with weapons such as guns? | |||
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"If ai gun sales increased over the past few years. The number one reason is for self defense. The pandemic the civil unrest are the driving factors for the purchases. People just want to be prepared for any situation. This is the most American thing ever. When there is police shortages practically everywhere you go here the only response to a situation is yourself.buy what are you worried about? I have nothing to worry about. I am just prepared. Just like preparing for Tornados Hurricane floods wild animals ect..It's adapting to situations. I have nothing to worry about. I don't have to be prepared. That's a particularly pleasant way to live. Glad for you and I am perfectly happy with my choices too.
Except that you seem to have to live your life preparing to be shot and I don't. Again my choice I have no issues preparing. It's actually fun. Come on over I will take you to the range. Do some 3 gun and sporting clays. It helps to be prepared
Why do you assume that I am uncomfortable around weapons and don't know how to handle them?
Perfectly fine on a range.
Not in a home and not in a public place.
Do you have experience with weapons such as guns? "I might do. I might have experience with pistols, rifles and guns. Perhaps even automatic weapons. | |||
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"If ai gun sales increased over the past few years. The number one reason is for self defense. The pandemic the civil unrest are the driving factors for the purchases. People just want to be prepared for any situation. This is the most American thing ever. When there is police shortages practically everywhere you go here the only response to a situation is yourself.buy what are you worried about? I have nothing to worry about. I am just prepared. Just like preparing for Tornados Hurricane floods wild animals ect..It's adapting to situations. I have nothing to worry about. I don't have to be prepared. That's a particularly pleasant way to live. Glad for you and I am perfectly happy with my choices too.
Except that you seem to have to live your life preparing to be shot and I don't. Again my choice I have no issues preparing. It's actually fun. Come on over I will take you to the range. Do some 3 gun and sporting clays. It helps to be prepared
Why do you assume that I am uncomfortable around weapons and don't know how to handle them?
Perfectly fine on a range.
Not in a home and not in a public place.
Do you have experience with weapons such as guns?
I might do. I might have experience with pistols, rifles and guns. Perhaps even automatic weapons."I'll show you mine if you show me yours.  | |||
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"If ai gun sales increased over the past few years. The number one reason is for self defense. The pandemic the civil unrest are the driving factors for the purchases. People just want to be prepared for any situation. This is the most American thing ever. When there is police shortages practically everywhere you go here the only response to a situation is yourself.buy what are you worried about? I have nothing to worry about. I am just prepared. Just like preparing for Tornados Hurricane floods wild animals ect..It's adapting to situations. I have nothing to worry about. I don't have to be prepared. That's a particularly pleasant way to live. Glad for you and I am perfectly happy with my choices too.
Except that you seem to have to live your life preparing to be shot and I don't. Again my choice I have no issues preparing. It's actually fun. Come on over I will take you to the range. Do some 3 gun and sporting clays. It helps to be prepared
Why do you assume that I am uncomfortable around weapons and don't know how to handle them?
Perfectly fine on a range.
Not in a home and not in a public place.
Do you have experience with weapons such as guns?
I might do. I might have experience with pistols, rifles and guns. Perhaps even automatic weapons. I'll show you mine if you show me yours. "I don't own any. I don't feel scared, nor do I live on a farm. I also don't have an urge to shoot anything with a pulse. Overall, I have no objection to the smell of cordite though
It is true that guns don't kill people. People kill people.
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"Another mass shooting in the USA, 8 killed "Could it have been avoided if the local population had been heavily tooled up and armed. I mean, even more than they were already? | |||
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"Another mass shooting in the USA, 8 killed
Could it have been avoided if the local population had been heavily tooled up and armed. I mean, even more than they were already?"Unfortunately not, the USA gun laws are ridiculous, | |||
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"Another mass shooting in the USA, 8 killed
Could it have been avoided if the local population had been heavily tooled up and armed. I mean, even more than they were already?"Show me 1 news report that a person that was carrying fought back ? There was a shooting in California too 5 injured 1 killed. How is it that the toughest firearm laws in the country has some of the most shootings? Still doesn't change my mind as to not carry | |||
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"Another mass shooting in the USA, 8 killed
Could it have been avoided if the local population had been heavily tooled up and armed. I mean, even more than they were already? Show me 1 news report that a person that was carrying fought back ? There was a shooting in California too 5 injured 1 killed. How is it that the toughest firearm laws in the country has some of the most shootings? Still doesn't change my mind as to not carry "There will be another mass shooting in the USA next week , | |||
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"Another mass shooting in the USA, 8 killed
Could it have been avoided if the local population had been heavily tooled up and armed. I mean, even more than they were already? Show me 1 news report that a person that was carrying fought back ? There was a shooting in California too 5 injured 1 killed. How is it that the toughest firearm laws in the country has some of the most shootings? Still doesn't change my mind as to not carry "https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-62217263 | |||
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"Another mass shooting in the USA, 8 killed
Could it have been avoided if the local population had been heavily tooled up and armed. I mean, even more than they were already? Show me 1 news report that a person that was carrying fought back ? There was a shooting in California too 5 injured 1 killed. How is it that the toughest firearm laws in the country has some of the most shootings? Still doesn't change my mind as to not carry
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-62217263"https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-61615236 | |||
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"Another mass shooting in the USA, 8 killed
Could it have been avoided if the local population had been heavily tooled up and armed. I mean, even more than they were already? Show me 1 news report that a person that was carrying fought back ? There was a shooting in California too 5 injured 1 killed. How is it that the toughest firearm laws in the country has some of the most shootings? Still doesn't change my mind as to not carry "I'm not trying to change your mind. I'm aware that would be futile. I was poking fun at the people who think the solution to mass shootings is for everyone to be heavily armed in their day to day life. | |||
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"Another mass shooting in the USA, 8 killed
Could it have been avoided if the local population had been heavily tooled up and armed. I mean, even more than they were already? Show me 1 news report that a person that was carrying fought back ? There was a shooting in California too 5 injured 1 killed. How is it that the toughest firearm laws in the country has some of the most shootings? Still doesn't change my mind as to not carry
I'm not trying to change your mind. I'm aware that would be futile.
I was poking fun at the people who think the solution to mass shootings is for everyone to be heavily armed in their day to day life."Clearly the laws do not work. Both for firearms and against. Chicago had a gang shooting where one was killed and several injured. The DA didn't bring any charges it was considered combatants. Again Chicago has some of the strictest gun laws. So it's better just to carry lawfully. | |||
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"How is it that the toughest firearm laws in the country has some of the most shootings? Still doesn't change my mind as to not carry "Toughest firearm laws in a country that has virtually no firearm laws isn't a badge of honour. Sorry, honor. As the Onion puts it every time(almost every day currently): Only country in the world where this happens says "nothing could be done to prevent it" Crackpot country. | |||
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"How is it that the toughest firearm laws in the country has some of the most shootings? Still doesn't change my mind as to not carry
Toughest firearm laws in a country that has virtually no firearm laws isn't a badge of honour. Sorry, honor.
As the Onion puts it every time(almost every day currently):
Only country in the world where this happens says "nothing could be done to prevent it"
Crackpot country. "yes but without us "Crackpots" around life would be harder on other nations All for American isolationist policies. Let you Europeans deal with you own shit and we deal with ours. | |||
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"Another mass shooting in the USA, 8 killed
Could it have been avoided if the local population had been heavily tooled up and armed. I mean, even more than they were already? Show me 1 news report that a person that was carrying fought back ? There was a shooting in California too 5 injured 1 killed. How is it that the toughest firearm laws in the country has some of the most shootings? Still doesn't change my mind as to not carry
I'm not trying to change your mind. I'm aware that would be futile.
I was poking fun at the people who think the solution to mass shootings is for everyone to be heavily armed in their day to day life. Clearly the laws do not work. Both for firearms and against. Chicago had a gang shooting where one was killed and several injured. The DA didn't bring any charges it was considered combatants. Again Chicago has some of the strictest gun laws. So it's better just to carry lawfully."The laws against fire arms work. Evidence: rest of the world. Case closed. | |||
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"How is it that the toughest firearm laws in the country has some of the most shootings? Still doesn't change my mind as to not carry
Toughest firearm laws in a country that has virtually no firearm laws isn't a badge of honour. Sorry, honor.
As the Onion puts it every time(almost every day currently):
Only country in the world where this happens says "nothing could be done to prevent it"
Crackpot country. yes but without us "Crackpots" around life would be harder on other nations All for American isolationist policies. Let you Europeans deal with you own shit and we deal with ours."You’re not doing a very good job, I expect another mass shooting next week, then the week after etc, it’s fucked up  | |||
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"How is it that the toughest firearm laws in the country has some of the most shootings? Still doesn't change my mind as to not carry
Toughest firearm laws in a country that has virtually no firearm laws isn't a badge of honour. Sorry, honor.
As the Onion puts it every time(almost every day currently):
Only country in the world where this happens says "nothing could be done to prevent it"
Crackpot country. yes but without us "Crackpots" around life would be harder on other nations All for American isolationist policies. Let you Europeans deal with you own shit and we deal with ours.
You’re not doing a very good job, I expect another mass shooting next week, then the week after etc, it’s fucked up "Probably a Tornado too maybe flooding or wildfires maybe a couple bear attacks possibly more riots. It's almost summertime it's riot season. | |||
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"How is it that the toughest firearm laws in the country has some of the most shootings? Still doesn't change my mind as to not carry
Toughest firearm laws in a country that has virtually no firearm laws isn't a badge of honour. Sorry, honor.
As the Onion puts it every time(almost every day currently):
Only country in the world where this happens says "nothing could be done to prevent it"
Crackpot country. yes but without us "Crackpots" around life would be harder on other nations All for American isolationist policies. Let you Europeans deal with you own shit and we deal with ours.
You’re not doing a very good job, I expect another mass shooting next week, then the week after etc, it’s fucked up Probably a Tornado too maybe flooding or wildfires maybe a couple bear attacks possibly more riots. It's almost summertime it's riot season."Mass murder season? Btw, floodings, tornados, wildfire (unless it’s arson) are all natural disasters, mass murder by shooting is 100% man/woman made | |||
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"How is it that the toughest firearm laws in the country has some of the most shootings? Still doesn't change my mind as to not carry
Toughest firearm laws in a country that has virtually no firearm laws isn't a badge of honour. Sorry, honor.
As the Onion puts it every time(almost every day currently):
Only country in the world where this happens says "nothing could be done to prevent it"
Crackpot country. yes but without us "Crackpots" around life would be harder on other nations All for American isolationist policies. Let you Europeans deal with you own shit and we deal with ours.
You’re not doing a very good job, I expect another mass shooting next week, then the week after etc, it’s fucked up Probably a Tornado too maybe flooding or wildfires maybe a couple bear attacks possibly more riots. It's almost summertime it's riot season.
Mass murder season? Btw, floodings, tornados, wildfire (unless it’s arson) are all natural disasters, mass murder by shooting is 100% man/woman made "They are occurrences. | |||
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"How is it that the toughest firearm laws in the country has some of the most shootings? Still doesn't change my mind as to not carry
Toughest firearm laws in a country that has virtually no firearm laws isn't a badge of honour. Sorry, honor.
As the Onion puts it every time(almost every day currently):
Only country in the world where this happens says "nothing could be done to prevent it"
Crackpot country. yes but without us "Crackpots" around life would be harder on other nations All for American isolationist policies. Let you Europeans deal with you own shit and we deal with ours.
You’re not doing a very good job, I expect another mass shooting next week, then the week after etc, it’s fucked up Probably a Tornado too maybe flooding or wildfires maybe a couple bear attacks possibly more riots. It's almost summertime it's riot season."I think this is a good example. If there was a way to stop people dying from natural disasters, would you take it, or just say "fuck it, let them die"? | |||
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"How is it that the toughest firearm laws in the country has some of the most shootings? Still doesn't change my mind as to not carry
Toughest firearm laws in a country that has virtually no firearm laws isn't a badge of honour. Sorry, honor.
As the Onion puts it every time(almost every day currently):
Only country in the world where this happens says "nothing could be done to prevent it"
Crackpot country. yes but without us "Crackpots" around life would be harder on other nations All for American isolationist policies. Let you Europeans deal with you own shit and we deal with ours.
You’re not doing a very good job, I expect another mass shooting next week, then the week after etc, it’s fucked up Probably a Tornado too maybe flooding or wildfires maybe a couple bear attacks possibly more riots. It's almost summertime it's riot season.
I think this is a good example. If there was a way to stop people dying from natural disasters, would you take it, or just say "fuck it, let them die"?"one could argue this is the climate change debate... | |||
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"How is it that the toughest firearm laws in the country has some of the most shootings? Still doesn't change my mind as to not carry
Toughest firearm laws in a country that has virtually no firearm laws isn't a badge of honour. Sorry, honor.
As the Onion puts it every time(almost every day currently):
Only country in the world where this happens says "nothing could be done to prevent it"
Crackpot country. yes but without us "Crackpots" around life would be harder on other nations All for American isolationist policies. Let you Europeans deal with you own shit and we deal with ours.
You’re not doing a very good job, I expect another mass shooting next week, then the week after etc, it’s fucked up Probably a Tornado too maybe flooding or wildfires maybe a couple bear attacks possibly more riots. It's almost summertime it's riot season.
I think this is a good example. If there was a way to stop people dying from natural disasters, would you take it, or just say "fuck it, let them die"?one could argue this is the climate change debate... "Indeed. I which case the answer is "fuck it, let them die". This is the time we live in. | |||
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"How is it that the toughest firearm laws in the country has some of the most shootings? Still doesn't change my mind as to not carry
Toughest firearm laws in a country that has virtually no firearm laws isn't a badge of honour. Sorry, honor.
As the Onion puts it every time(almost every day currently):
Only country in the world where this happens says "nothing could be done to prevent it"
Crackpot country. yes but without us "Crackpots" around life would be harder on other nations All for American isolationist policies. Let you Europeans deal with you own shit and we deal with ours.
You’re not doing a very good job, I expect another mass shooting next week, then the week after etc, it’s fucked up Probably a Tornado too maybe flooding or wildfires maybe a couple bear attacks possibly more riots. It's almost summertime it's riot season.
I think this is a good example. If there was a way to stop people dying from natural disasters, would you take it, or just say "fuck it, let them die"?one could argue this is the climate change debate...
Indeed. I which case the answer is "fuck it, let them die".
This is the time we live in."Yup I can walk out my front door tomorrow morning get bitten by a rattlesnake or not hearing tornado alert in the middle of the night or go to my jeep in the morning and have a black bear. But I take precautions on anything threatening my well being. | |||
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"How is it that the toughest firearm laws in the country has some of the most shootings? Still doesn't change my mind as to not carry
Toughest firearm laws in a country that has virtually no firearm laws isn't a badge of honour. Sorry, honor.
As the Onion puts it every time(almost every day currently):
Only country in the world where this happens says "nothing could be done to prevent it"
Crackpot country. yes but without us "Crackpots" around life would be harder on other nations All for American isolationist policies. Let you Europeans deal with you own shit and we deal with ours.
You’re not doing a very good job, I expect another mass shooting next week, then the week after etc, it’s fucked up Probably a Tornado too maybe flooding or wildfires maybe a couple bear attacks possibly more riots. It's almost summertime it's riot season.
I think this is a good example. If there was a way to stop people dying from natural disasters, would you take it, or just say "fuck it, let them die"?one could argue this is the climate change debate...
Indeed. I which case the answer is "fuck it, let them die".
This is the time we live in. Yup I can walk out my front door tomorrow morning get bitten by a rattlesnake or not hearing tornado alert in the middle of the night or go to my jeep in the morning and have a black bear. But I take precautions on anything threatening my well being. "You’re more likely to beshot than I am, and I have never carried a gun | |||
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"How is it that the toughest firearm laws in the country has some of the most shootings? Still doesn't change my mind as to not carry
Toughest firearm laws in a country that has virtually no firearm laws isn't a badge of honour. Sorry, honor.
As the Onion puts it every time(almost every day currently):
Only country in the world where this happens says "nothing could be done to prevent it"
Crackpot country. yes but without us "Crackpots" around life would be harder on other nations All for American isolationist policies. Let you Europeans deal with you own shit and we deal with ours.
You’re not doing a very good job, I expect another mass shooting next week, then the week after etc, it’s fucked up Probably a Tornado too maybe flooding or wildfires maybe a couple bear attacks possibly more riots. It's almost summertime it's riot season.
I think this is a good example. If there was a way to stop people dying from natural disasters, would you take it, or just say "fuck it, let them die"?one could argue this is the climate change debate...
Indeed. I which case the answer is "fuck it, let them die".
This is the time we live in. Yup I can walk out my front door tomorrow morning get bitten by a rattlesnake or not hearing tornado alert in the middle of the night or go to my jeep in the morning and have a black bear. But I take precautions on anything threatening my well being.
You’re more likely to beshot than I am, and I have never carried a gun "I am also more likely to get hit with a tornado a hurricane a bear a coyote a rattlesnake a human and rabid animals. You on the other hand probably can't make a decision on which hangnail irritated the most  | |||
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"How is it that the toughest firearm laws in the country has some of the most shootings? Still doesn't change my mind as to not carry
Toughest firearm laws in a country that has virtually no firearm laws isn't a badge of honour. Sorry, honor.
As the Onion puts it every time(almost every day currently):
Only country in the world where this happens says "nothing could be done to prevent it"
Crackpot country. yes but without us "Crackpots" around life would be harder on other nations All for American isolationist policies. Let you Europeans deal with you own shit and we deal with ours.
You’re not doing a very good job, I expect another mass shooting next week, then the week after etc, it’s fucked up Probably a Tornado too maybe flooding or wildfires maybe a couple bear attacks possibly more riots. It's almost summertime it's riot season.
I think this is a good example. If there was a way to stop people dying from natural disasters, would you take it, or just say "fuck it, let them die"?one could argue this is the climate change debate...
Indeed. I which case the answer is "fuck it, let them die".
This is the time we live in. Yup I can walk out my front door tomorrow morning get bitten by a rattlesnake or not hearing tornado alert in the middle of the night or go to my jeep in the morning and have a black bear. But I take precautions on anything threatening my well being.
You’re more likely to beshot than I am, and I have never carried a gun I am also more likely to get hit with a tornado a hurricane a bear a coyote a rattlesnake a human and rabid animals. You on the other hand probably can't make a decision on which hangnail irritated the most "The fact that you take responsibility for yourself is commendable. Please do not take that as patronising. However, isn't one of the main points of civilization that existential threats should stop having to be at the forefront of your thoughts? | |||
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"How is it that the toughest firearm laws in the country has some of the most shootings? Still doesn't change my mind as to not carry
Toughest firearm laws in a country that has virtually no firearm laws isn't a badge of honour. Sorry, honor.
As the Onion puts it every time(almost every day currently):
Only country in the world where this happens says "nothing could be done to prevent it"
Crackpot country. yes but without us "Crackpots" around life would be harder on other nations All for American isolationist policies. Let you Europeans deal with you own shit and we deal with ours.
You’re not doing a very good job, I expect another mass shooting next week, then the week after etc, it’s fucked up Probably a Tornado too maybe flooding or wildfires maybe a couple bear attacks possibly more riots. It's almost summertime it's riot season.
I think this is a good example. If there was a way to stop people dying from natural disasters, would you take it, or just say "fuck it, let them die"?one could argue this is the climate change debate...
Indeed. I which case the answer is "fuck it, let them die".
This is the time we live in. Yup I can walk out my front door tomorrow morning get bitten by a rattlesnake or not hearing tornado alert in the middle of the night or go to my jeep in the morning and have a black bear. But I take precautions on anything threatening my well being.
You’re more likely to beshot than I am, and I have never carried a gun I am also more likely to get hit with a tornado a hurricane a bear a coyote a rattlesnake a human and rabid animals. You on the other hand probably can't make a decision on which hangnail irritated the most
The fact that you take responsibility for yourself is commendable. Please do not take that as patronising.
However, isn't one of the main points of civilization that existential threats should stop having to be at the forefront of your thoughts?"So you saying kill all the animals ? To stop those threats ? They are real same as criminals with guns. Dead is dead anyway you look at it | |||
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"How is it that the toughest firearm laws in the country has some of the most shootings? Still doesn't change my mind as to not carry
Toughest firearm laws in a country that has virtually no firearm laws isn't a badge of honour. Sorry, honor.
As the Onion puts it every time(almost every day currently):
Only country in the world where this happens says "nothing could be done to prevent it"
Crackpot country. yes but without us "Crackpots" around life would be harder on other nations All for American isolationist policies. Let you Europeans deal with you own shit and we deal with ours.
You’re not doing a very good job, I expect another mass shooting next week, then the week after etc, it’s fucked up Probably a Tornado too maybe flooding or wildfires maybe a couple bear attacks possibly more riots. It's almost summertime it's riot season.
I think this is a good example. If there was a way to stop people dying from natural disasters, would you take it, or just say "fuck it, let them die"?one could argue this is the climate change debate...
Indeed. I which case the answer is "fuck it, let them die".
This is the time we live in. Yup I can walk out my front door tomorrow morning get bitten by a rattlesnake or not hearing tornado alert in the middle of the night or go to my jeep in the morning and have a black bear. But I take precautions on anything threatening my well being. "Except you don't seem to want to take a collective precaution against mass shootings. | |||
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"How is it that the toughest firearm laws in the country has some of the most shootings? Still doesn't change my mind as to not carry
Toughest firearm laws in a country that has virtually no firearm laws isn't a badge of honour. Sorry, honor.
As the Onion puts it every time(almost every day currently):
Only country in the world where this happens says "nothing could be done to prevent it"
Crackpot country. yes but without us "Crackpots" around life would be harder on other nations All for American isolationist policies. Let you Europeans deal with you own shit and we deal with ours.
You’re not doing a very good job, I expect another mass shooting next week, then the week after etc, it’s fucked up Probably a Tornado too maybe flooding or wildfires maybe a couple bear attacks possibly more riots. It's almost summertime it's riot season.
I think this is a good example. If there was a way to stop people dying from natural disasters, would you take it, or just say "fuck it, let them die"?one could argue this is the climate change debate...
Indeed. I which case the answer is "fuck it, let them die".
This is the time we live in. Yup I can walk out my front door tomorrow morning get bitten by a rattlesnake or not hearing tornado alert in the middle of the night or go to my jeep in the morning and have a black bear. But I take precautions on anything threatening my well being.
You’re more likely to beshot than I am, and I have never carried a gun I am also more likely to get hit with a tornado a hurricane a bear a coyote a rattlesnake a human and rabid animals. You on the other hand probably can't make a decision on which hangnail irritated the most
The fact that you take responsibility for yourself is commendable. Please do not take that as patronising.
However, isn't one of the main points of civilization that existential threats should stop having to be at the forefront of your thoughts? So you saying kill all the animals ? To stop those threats ? They are real same as criminals with guns. Dead is dead anyway you look at it "Bears in the countryside are like criminals in a city with millions of people? A bit of a stretch I think. | |||
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"How is it that the toughest firearm laws in the country has some of the most shootings? Still doesn't change my mind as to not carry
Toughest firearm laws in a country that has virtually no firearm laws isn't a badge of honour. Sorry, honor.
As the Onion puts it every time(almost every day currently):
Only country in the world where this happens says "nothing could be done to prevent it"
Crackpot country. yes but without us "Crackpots" around life would be harder on other nations All for American isolationist policies. Let you Europeans deal with you own shit and we deal with ours.
You’re not doing a very good job, I expect another mass shooting next week, then the week after etc, it’s fucked up Probably a Tornado too maybe flooding or wildfires maybe a couple bear attacks possibly more riots. It's almost summertime it's riot season.
I think this is a good example. If there was a way to stop people dying from natural disasters, would you take it, or just say "fuck it, let them die"?one could argue this is the climate change debate...
Indeed. I which case the answer is "fuck it, let them die".
This is the time we live in. Yup I can walk out my front door tomorrow morning get bitten by a rattlesnake or not hearing tornado alert in the middle of the night or go to my jeep in the morning and have a black bear. But I take precautions on anything threatening my well being.
You’re more likely to beshot than I am, and I have never carried a gun I am also more likely to get hit with a tornado a hurricane a bear a coyote a rattlesnake a human and rabid animals. You on the other hand probably can't make a decision on which hangnail irritated the most
The fact that you take responsibility for yourself is commendable. Please do not take that as patronising.
However, isn't one of the main points of civilization that existential threats should stop having to be at the forefront of your thoughts? So you saying kill all the animals ? To stop those threats ? They are real same as criminals with guns. Dead is dead anyway you look at it
Bears in the countryside are like criminals in a city with millions of people?
A bit of a stretch I think."But you can still die. Ever encountered a momma black bear with cubs? I would rather encounter a human with a gun. | |||
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"How is it that the toughest firearm laws in the country has some of the most shootings? Still doesn't change my mind as to not carry
Toughest firearm laws in a country that has virtually no firearm laws isn't a badge of honour. Sorry, honor.
As the Onion puts it every time(almost every day currently):
Only country in the world where this happens says "nothing could be done to prevent it"
Crackpot country. yes but without us "Crackpots" around life would be harder on other nations All for American isolationist policies. Let you Europeans deal with you own shit and we deal with ours.
You’re not doing a very good job, I expect another mass shooting next week, then the week after etc, it’s fucked up Probably a Tornado too maybe flooding or wildfires maybe a couple bear attacks possibly more riots. It's almost summertime it's riot season.
I think this is a good example. If there was a way to stop people dying from natural disasters, would you take it, or just say "fuck it, let them die"?one could argue this is the climate change debate...
Indeed. I which case the answer is "fuck it, let them die".
This is the time we live in. Yup I can walk out my front door tomorrow morning get bitten by a rattlesnake or not hearing tornado alert in the middle of the night or go to my jeep in the morning and have a black bear. But I take precautions on anything threatening my well being.
You’re more likely to beshot than I am, and I have never carried a gun I am also more likely to get hit with a tornado a hurricane a bear a coyote a rattlesnake a human and rabid animals. You on the other hand probably can't make a decision on which hangnail irritated the most
The fact that you take responsibility for yourself is commendable. Please do not take that as patronising.
However, isn't one of the main points of civilization that existential threats should stop having to be at the forefront of your thoughts? So you saying kill all the animals ? To stop those threats ? They are real same as criminals with guns. Dead is dead anyway you look at it
Bears in the countryside are like criminals in a city with millions of people?
A bit of a stretch I think. But you can still die. Ever encountered a momma black bear with cubs? I would rather encounter a human with a gun."They are not encountered in the same environments. I will not encounter a black bear except in a situation that I am prepared for. Neither will you. I will not encounter a human with a gun going shopping. You may well do. Would that not be a preferable situation for you as well? | |||
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"How is it that the toughest firearm laws in the country has some of the most shootings? Still doesn't change my mind as to not carry
Toughest firearm laws in a country that has virtually no firearm laws isn't a badge of honour. Sorry, honor.
As the Onion puts it every time(almost every day currently):
Only country in the world where this happens says "nothing could be done to prevent it"
Crackpot country. yes but without us "Crackpots" around life would be harder on other nations All for American isolationist policies. Let you Europeans deal with you own shit and we deal with ours.
You’re not doing a very good job, I expect another mass shooting next week, then the week after etc, it’s fucked up Probably a Tornado too maybe flooding or wildfires maybe a couple bear attacks possibly more riots. It's almost summertime it's riot season.
I think this is a good example. If there was a way to stop people dying from natural disasters, would you take it, or just say "fuck it, let them die"?one could argue this is the climate change debate...
Indeed. I which case the answer is "fuck it, let them die".
This is the time we live in. Yup I can walk out my front door tomorrow morning get bitten by a rattlesnake or not hearing tornado alert in the middle of the night or go to my jeep in the morning and have a black bear. But I take precautions on anything threatening my well being.
You’re more likely to beshot than I am, and I have never carried a gun I am also more likely to get hit with a tornado a hurricane a bear a coyote a rattlesnake a human and rabid animals. You on the other hand probably can't make a decision on which hangnail irritated the most
The fact that you take responsibility for yourself is commendable. Please do not take that as patronising.
However, isn't one of the main points of civilization that existential threats should stop having to be at the forefront of your thoughts? So you saying kill all the animals ? To stop those threats ? They are real same as criminals with guns. Dead is dead anyway you look at it
Bears in the countryside are like criminals in a city with millions of people?
A bit of a stretch I think. But you can still die. Ever encountered a momma black bear with cubs? I would rather encounter a human with a gun.
They are not encountered in the same environments.
I will not encounter a black bear except in a situation that I am prepared for. Neither will you.
I will not encounter a human with a gun going shopping. You may well do.
Would that not be a preferable situation for you as well?"and they are the risks I take and you do not. I am willing you are not able to do the same. | |||
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"How is it that the toughest firearm laws in the country has some of the most shootings? Still doesn't change my mind as to not carry
Toughest firearm laws in a country that has virtually no firearm laws isn't a badge of honour. Sorry, honor.
As the Onion puts it every time(almost every day currently):
Only country in the world where this happens says "nothing could be done to prevent it"
Crackpot country. yes but without us "Crackpots" around life would be harder on other nations All for American isolationist policies. Let you Europeans deal with you own shit and we deal with ours.
You’re not doing a very good job, I expect another mass shooting next week, then the week after etc, it’s fucked up Probably a Tornado too maybe flooding or wildfires maybe a couple bear attacks possibly more riots. It's almost summertime it's riot season.
I think this is a good example. If there was a way to stop people dying from natural disasters, would you take it, or just say "fuck it, let them die"?one could argue this is the climate change debate...
Indeed. I which case the answer is "fuck it, let them die".
This is the time we live in. Yup I can walk out my front door tomorrow morning get bitten by a rattlesnake or not hearing tornado alert in the middle of the night or go to my jeep in the morning and have a black bear. But I take precautions on anything threatening my well being.
You’re more likely to beshot than I am, and I have never carried a gun I am also more likely to get hit with a tornado a hurricane a bear a coyote a rattlesnake a human and rabid animals. You on the other hand probably can't make a decision on which hangnail irritated the most
The fact that you take responsibility for yourself is commendable. Please do not take that as patronising.
However, isn't one of the main points of civilization that existential threats should stop having to be at the forefront of your thoughts? So you saying kill all the animals ? To stop those threats ? They are real same as criminals with guns. Dead is dead anyway you look at it
Bears in the countryside are like criminals in a city with millions of people?
A bit of a stretch I think. But you can still die. Ever encountered a momma black bear with cubs? I would rather encounter a human with a gun.
They are not encountered in the same environments.
I will not encounter a black bear except in a situation that I am prepared for. Neither will you.
I will not encounter a human with a gun going shopping. You may well do.
Would that not be a preferable situation for you as well? and they are the risks I take and you do not. I am willing you are not able to do the same. "I do not have to take the risk of being shot going to the shops. Would you not prefer there to be no risk in being shot going to the shops where you live too? Do you find it preferable that there is a risk to your safety? Can you not envisage that not being the case? | |||
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"How is it that the toughest firearm laws in the country has some of the most shootings? Still doesn't change my mind as to not carry
Toughest firearm laws in a country that has virtually no firearm laws isn't a badge of honour. Sorry, honor.
As the Onion puts it every time(almost every day currently):
Only country in the world where this happens says "nothing could be done to prevent it"
Crackpot country. yes but without us "Crackpots" around life would be harder on other nations All for American isolationist policies. Let you Europeans deal with you own shit and we deal with ours.
You’re not doing a very good job, I expect another mass shooting next week, then the week after etc, it’s fucked up Probably a Tornado too maybe flooding or wildfires maybe a couple bear attacks possibly more riots. It's almost summertime it's riot season.
I think this is a good example. If there was a way to stop people dying from natural disasters, would you take it, or just say "fuck it, let them die"?one could argue this is the climate change debate...
Indeed. I which case the answer is "fuck it, let them die".
This is the time we live in. Yup I can walk out my front door tomorrow morning get bitten by a rattlesnake or not hearing tornado alert in the middle of the night or go to my jeep in the morning and have a black bear. But I take precautions on anything threatening my well being.
You’re more likely to beshot than I am, and I have never carried a gun I am also more likely to get hit with a tornado a hurricane a bear a coyote a rattlesnake a human and rabid animals. You on the other hand probably can't make a decision on which hangnail irritated the most
The fact that you take responsibility for yourself is commendable. Please do not take that as patronising.
However, isn't one of the main points of civilization that existential threats should stop having to be at the forefront of your thoughts? So you saying kill all the animals ? To stop those threats ? They are real same as criminals with guns. Dead is dead anyway you look at it
Bears in the countryside are like criminals in a city with millions of people?
A bit of a stretch I think. But you can still die. Ever encountered a momma black bear with cubs? I would rather encounter a human with a gun.
They are not encountered in the same environments.
I will not encounter a black bear except in a situation that I am prepared for. Neither will you.
I will not encounter a human with a gun going shopping. You may well do.
Would that not be a preferable situation for you as well? and they are the risks I take and you do not. I am willing you are not able to do the same.
I do not have to take the risk of being shot going to the shops.
Would you not prefer there to be no risk in being shot going to the shops where you live too? Do you find it preferable that there is a risk to your safety? Can you not envisage that not being the case?"Can you accept Blu runs the risk of being shot? | |||
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"How is it that the toughest firearm laws in the country has some of the most shootings? Still doesn't change my mind as to not carry
Toughest firearm laws in a country that has virtually no firearm laws isn't a badge of honour. Sorry, honor.
As the Onion puts it every time(almost every day currently):
Only country in the world where this happens says "nothing could be done to prevent it"
Crackpot country. yes but without us "Crackpots" around life would be harder on other nations All for American isolationist policies. Let you Europeans deal with you own shit and we deal with ours.
You’re not doing a very good job, I expect another mass shooting next week, then the week after etc, it’s fucked up Probably a Tornado too maybe flooding or wildfires maybe a couple bear attacks possibly more riots. It's almost summertime it's riot season.
I think this is a good example. If there was a way to stop people dying from natural disasters, would you take it, or just say "fuck it, let them die"?one could argue this is the climate change debate...
Indeed. I which case the answer is "fuck it, let them die".
This is the time we live in. Yup I can walk out my front door tomorrow morning get bitten by a rattlesnake or not hearing tornado alert in the middle of the night or go to my jeep in the morning and have a black bear. But I take precautions on anything threatening my well being.
You’re more likely to beshot than I am, and I have never carried a gun I am also more likely to get hit with a tornado a hurricane a bear a coyote a rattlesnake a human and rabid animals. You on the other hand probably can't make a decision on which hangnail irritated the most
The fact that you take responsibility for yourself is commendable. Please do not take that as patronising.
However, isn't one of the main points of civilization that existential threats should stop having to be at the forefront of your thoughts? So you saying kill all the animals ? To stop those threats ? They are real same as criminals with guns. Dead is dead anyway you look at it
Bears in the countryside are like criminals in a city with millions of people?
A bit of a stretch I think. But you can still die. Ever encountered a momma black bear with cubs? I would rather encounter a human with a gun.
They are not encountered in the same environments.
I will not encounter a black bear except in a situation that I am prepared for. Neither will you.
I will not encounter a human with a gun going shopping. You may well do.
Would that not be a preferable situation for you as well? and they are the risks I take and you do not. I am willing you are not able to do the same.
I do not have to take the risk of being shot going to the shops.
Would you not prefer there to be no risk in being shot going to the shops where you live too? Do you find it preferable that there is a risk to your safety? Can you not envisage that not being the case?
Can you accept Blu runs the risk of being shot?"Isn't that the theme of the tread? Americans keep shooting and killing eachother, and they don't seem to be arsed about doing anything to stop it. Apart from buying even more guns. | |||
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"How is it that the toughest firearm laws in the country has some of the most shootings? Still doesn't change my mind as to not carry
Toughest firearm laws in a country that has virtually no firearm laws isn't a badge of honour. Sorry, honor.
As the Onion puts it every time(almost every day currently):
Only country in the world where this happens says "nothing could be done to prevent it"
Crackpot country. yes but without us "Crackpots" around life would be harder on other nations All for American isolationist policies. Let you Europeans deal with you own shit and we deal with ours.
You’re not doing a very good job, I expect another mass shooting next week, then the week after etc, it’s fucked up Probably a Tornado too maybe flooding or wildfires maybe a couple bear attacks possibly more riots. It's almost summertime it's riot season.
I think this is a good example. If there was a way to stop people dying from natural disasters, would you take it, or just say "fuck it, let them die"?one could argue this is the climate change debate...
Indeed. I which case the answer is "fuck it, let them die".
This is the time we live in. Yup I can walk out my front door tomorrow morning get bitten by a rattlesnake or not hearing tornado alert in the middle of the night or go to my jeep in the morning and have a black bear. But I take precautions on anything threatening my well being.
You’re more likely to beshot than I am, and I have never carried a gun I am also more likely to get hit with a tornado a hurricane a bear a coyote a rattlesnake a human and rabid animals. You on the other hand probably can't make a decision on which hangnail irritated the most "Why are you more likely to be shot and killed than I am ? | |||
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"How is it that the toughest firearm laws in the country has some of the most shootings? Still doesn't change my mind as to not carry
Toughest firearm laws in a country that has virtually no firearm laws isn't a badge of honour. Sorry, honor.
As the Onion puts it every time(almost every day currently):
Only country in the world where this happens says "nothing could be done to prevent it"
Crackpot country. yes but without us "Crackpots" around life would be harder on other nations All for American isolationist policies. Let you Europeans deal with you own shit and we deal with ours.
You’re not doing a very good job, I expect another mass shooting next week, then the week after etc, it’s fucked up Probably a Tornado too maybe flooding or wildfires maybe a couple bear attacks possibly more riots. It's almost summertime it's riot season.
I think this is a good example. If there was a way to stop people dying from natural disasters, would you take it, or just say "fuck it, let them die"?one could argue this is the climate change debate...
Indeed. I which case the answer is "fuck it, let them die".
This is the time we live in. Yup I can walk out my front door tomorrow morning get bitten by a rattlesnake or not hearing tornado alert in the middle of the night or go to my jeep in the morning and have a black bear. But I take precautions on anything threatening my well being.
You’re more likely to beshot than I am, and I have never carried a gun I am also more likely to get hit with a tornado a hurricane a bear a coyote a rattlesnake a human and rabid animals. You on the other hand probably can't make a decision on which hangnail irritated the most
The fact that you take responsibility for yourself is commendable. Please do not take that as patronising.
However, isn't one of the main points of civilization that existential threats should stop having to be at the forefront of your thoughts? So you saying kill all the animals ? To stop those threats ? They are real same as criminals with guns. Dead is dead anyway you look at it
Bears in the countryside are like criminals in a city with millions of people?
A bit of a stretch I think. But you can still die. Ever encountered a momma black bear with cubs? I would rather encounter a human with a gun.
They are not encountered in the same environments.
I will not encounter a black bear except in a situation that I am prepared for. Neither will you.
I will not encounter a human with a gun going shopping. You may well do.
Would that not be a preferable situation for you as well? and they are the risks I take and you do not. I am willing you are not able to do the same.
I do not have to take the risk of being shot going to the shops.
Would you not prefer there to be no risk in being shot going to the shops where you live too? Do you find it preferable that there is a risk to your safety? Can you not envisage that not being the case?
Can you accept Blu runs the risk of being shot?
Isn't that the theme of the tread? Americans keep shooting and killing eachother, and they don't seem to be arsed about doing anything to stop it. Apart from buying even more guns. "It's a normal daily life risk. You are can either prepare or you just trust the system . Clearly the latter didn't work. | |||
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"How is it that the toughest firearm laws in the country has some of the most shootings? Still doesn't change my mind as to not carry
Toughest firearm laws in a country that has virtually no firearm laws isn't a badge of honour. Sorry, honor.
As the Onion puts it every time(almost every day currently):
Only country in the world where this happens says "nothing could be done to prevent it"
Crackpot country. yes but without us "Crackpots" around life would be harder on other nations All for American isolationist policies. Let you Europeans deal with you own shit and we deal with ours.
You’re not doing a very good job, I expect another mass shooting next week, then the week after etc, it’s fucked up Probably a Tornado too maybe flooding or wildfires maybe a couple bear attacks possibly more riots. It's almost summertime it's riot season.
I think this is a good example. If there was a way to stop people dying from natural disasters, would you take it, or just say "fuck it, let them die"?one could argue this is the climate change debate...
Indeed. I which case the answer is "fuck it, let them die".
This is the time we live in. Yup I can walk out my front door tomorrow morning get bitten by a rattlesnake or not hearing tornado alert in the middle of the night or go to my jeep in the morning and have a black bear. But I take precautions on anything threatening my well being.
You’re more likely to beshot than I am, and I have never carried a gun I am also more likely to get hit with a tornado a hurricane a bear a coyote a rattlesnake a human and rabid animals. You on the other hand probably can't make a decision on which hangnail irritated the most
The fact that you take responsibility for yourself is commendable. Please do not take that as patronising.
However, isn't one of the main points of civilization that existential threats should stop having to be at the forefront of your thoughts? So you saying kill all the animals ? To stop those threats ? They are real same as criminals with guns. Dead is dead anyway you look at it
Bears in the countryside are like criminals in a city with millions of people?
A bit of a stretch I think. But you can still die. Ever encountered a momma black bear with cubs? I would rather encounter a human with a gun.
They are not encountered in the same environments.
I will not encounter a black bear except in a situation that I am prepared for. Neither will you.
I will not encounter a human with a gun going shopping. You may well do.
Would that not be a preferable situation for you as well? and they are the risks I take and you do not. I am willing you are not able to do the same.
I do not have to take the risk of being shot going to the shops.
Would you not prefer there to be no risk in being shot going to the shops where you live too? Do you find it preferable that there is a risk to your safety? Can you not envisage that not being the case?
Can you accept Blu runs the risk of being shot?
Isn't that the theme of the tread? Americans keep shooting and killing eachother, and they don't seem to be arsed about doing anything to stop it. Apart from buying even more guns. It's a normal daily life risk. You are can either prepare or you just trust the system . Clearly the latter didn't work."What about if they change the system, so that people don't have the means to conduct mass shootings? | |||
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"How is it that the toughest firearm laws in the country has some of the most shootings? Still doesn't change my mind as to not carry
Toughest firearm laws in a country that has virtually no firearm laws isn't a badge of honour. Sorry, honor.
As the Onion puts it every time(almost every day currently):
Only country in the world where this happens says "nothing could be done to prevent it"
Crackpot country. yes but without us "Crackpots" around life would be harder on other nations All for American isolationist policies. Let you Europeans deal with you own shit and we deal with ours.
You’re not doing a very good job, I expect another mass shooting next week, then the week after etc, it’s fucked up Probably a Tornado too maybe flooding or wildfires maybe a couple bear attacks possibly more riots. It's almost summertime it's riot season.
I think this is a good example. If there was a way to stop people dying from natural disasters, would you take it, or just say "fuck it, let them die"?one could argue this is the climate change debate...
Indeed. I which case the answer is "fuck it, let them die".
This is the time we live in. Yup I can walk out my front door tomorrow morning get bitten by a rattlesnake or not hearing tornado alert in the middle of the night or go to my jeep in the morning and have a black bear. But I take precautions on anything threatening my well being.
You’re more likely to beshot than I am, and I have never carried a gun I am also more likely to get hit with a tornado a hurricane a bear a coyote a rattlesnake a human and rabid animals. You on the other hand probably can't make a decision on which hangnail irritated the most
The fact that you take responsibility for yourself is commendable. Please do not take that as patronising.
However, isn't one of the main points of civilization that existential threats should stop having to be at the forefront of your thoughts? So you saying kill all the animals ? To stop those threats ? They are real same as criminals with guns. Dead is dead anyway you look at it
Bears in the countryside are like criminals in a city with millions of people?
A bit of a stretch I think. But you can still die. Ever encountered a momma black bear with cubs? I would rather encounter a human with a gun.
They are not encountered in the same environments.
I will not encounter a black bear except in a situation that I am prepared for. Neither will you.
I will not encounter a human with a gun going shopping. You may well do.
Would that not be a preferable situation for you as well? and they are the risks I take and you do not. I am willing you are not able to do the same.
I do not have to take the risk of being shot going to the shops.
Would you not prefer there to be no risk in being shot going to the shops where you live too? Do you find it preferable that there is a risk to your safety? Can you not envisage that not being the case?
Can you accept Blu runs the risk of being shot?
Isn't that the theme of the tread? Americans keep shooting and killing eachother, and they don't seem to be arsed about doing anything to stop it. Apart from buying even more guns. "If you lived in the US would you buy a gun? | |||
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"How is it that the toughest firearm laws in the country has some of the most shootings? Still doesn't change my mind as to not carry
Toughest firearm laws in a country that has virtually no firearm laws isn't a badge of honour. Sorry, honor.
As the Onion puts it every time(almost every day currently):
Only country in the world where this happens says "nothing could be done to prevent it"
Crackpot country. yes but without us "Crackpots" around life would be harder on other nations All for American isolationist policies. Let you Europeans deal with you own shit and we deal with ours.
You’re not doing a very good job, I expect another mass shooting next week, then the week after etc, it’s fucked up Probably a Tornado too maybe flooding or wildfires maybe a couple bear attacks possibly more riots. It's almost summertime it's riot season.
I think this is a good example. If there was a way to stop people dying from natural disasters, would you take it, or just say "fuck it, let them die"?one could argue this is the climate change debate...
Indeed. I which case the answer is "fuck it, let them die".
This is the time we live in. Yup I can walk out my front door tomorrow morning get bitten by a rattlesnake or not hearing tornado alert in the middle of the night or go to my jeep in the morning and have a black bear. But I take precautions on anything threatening my well being.
You’re more likely to beshot than I am, and I have never carried a gun I am also more likely to get hit with a tornado a hurricane a bear a coyote a rattlesnake a human and rabid animals. You on the other hand probably can't make a decision on which hangnail irritated the most
The fact that you take responsibility for yourself is commendable. Please do not take that as patronising.
However, isn't one of the main points of civilization that existential threats should stop having to be at the forefront of your thoughts? So you saying kill all the animals ? To stop those threats ? They are real same as criminals with guns. Dead is dead anyway you look at it
Bears in the countryside are like criminals in a city with millions of people?
A bit of a stretch I think. But you can still die. Ever encountered a momma black bear with cubs? I would rather encounter a human with a gun.
They are not encountered in the same environments.
I will not encounter a black bear except in a situation that I am prepared for. Neither will you.
I will not encounter a human with a gun going shopping. You may well do.
Would that not be a preferable situation for you as well? and they are the risks I take and you do not. I am willing you are not able to do the same.
I do not have to take the risk of being shot going to the shops.
Would you not prefer there to be no risk in being shot going to the shops where you live too? Do you find it preferable that there is a risk to your safety? Can you not envisage that not being the case?
Can you accept Blu runs the risk of being shot?
Isn't that the theme of the tread? Americans keep shooting and killing eachother, and they don't seem to be arsed about doing anything to stop it. Apart from buying even more guns. It's a normal daily life risk. You are can either prepare or you just trust the system . Clearly the latter didn't work.
What about if they change the system, so that people don't have the means to conduct mass shootings?"People will still get their hands on firearms if they have malicious intent. | |||
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" If you lived in the US would you buy a gun?" Have to say as I lived there if I still did what would I do…. One of the reasons I left was having bullets whizzing past my head The 2nd amendment only actually allows a person to protect themselves with a handgun on your own property….. So would I see me having one at home for that purpose… that is a question I struggle with… I would only need 1 with minimal ammunition locked in a secure place Would I carry outside… absolutely not! | |||
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"How is it that the toughest firearm laws in the country has some of the most shootings? Still doesn't change my mind as to not carry
Toughest firearm laws in a country that has virtually no firearm laws isn't a badge of honour. Sorry, honor.
As the Onion puts it every time(almost every day currently):
Only country in the world where this happens says "nothing could be done to prevent it"
Crackpot country. yes but without us "Crackpots" around life would be harder on other nations All for American isolationist policies. Let you Europeans deal with you own shit and we deal with ours.
You’re not doing a very good job, I expect another mass shooting next week, then the week after etc, it’s fucked up Probably a Tornado too maybe flooding or wildfires maybe a couple bear attacks possibly more riots. It's almost summertime it's riot season.
I think this is a good example. If there was a way to stop people dying from natural disasters, would you take it, or just say "fuck it, let them die"?one could argue this is the climate change debate...
Indeed. I which case the answer is "fuck it, let them die".
This is the time we live in. Yup I can walk out my front door tomorrow morning get bitten by a rattlesnake or not hearing tornado alert in the middle of the night or go to my jeep in the morning and have a black bear. But I take precautions on anything threatening my well being.
You’re more likely to beshot than I am, and I have never carried a gun I am also more likely to get hit with a tornado a hurricane a bear a coyote a rattlesnake a human and rabid animals. You on the other hand probably can't make a decision on which hangnail irritated the most
The fact that you take responsibility for yourself is commendable. Please do not take that as patronising.
However, isn't one of the main points of civilization that existential threats should stop having to be at the forefront of your thoughts? So you saying kill all the animals ? To stop those threats ? They are real same as criminals with guns. Dead is dead anyway you look at it
Bears in the countryside are like criminals in a city with millions of people?
A bit of a stretch I think. But you can still die. Ever encountered a momma black bear with cubs? I would rather encounter a human with a gun.
They are not encountered in the same environments.
I will not encounter a black bear except in a situation that I am prepared for. Neither will you.
I will not encounter a human with a gun going shopping. You may well do.
Would that not be a preferable situation for you as well? and they are the risks I take and you do not. I am willing you are not able to do the same.
I do not have to take the risk of being shot going to the shops.
Would you not prefer there to be no risk in being shot going to the shops where you live too? Do you find it preferable that there is a risk to your safety? Can you not envisage that not being the case?
Can you accept Blu runs the risk of being shot?
Isn't that the theme of the tread? Americans keep shooting and killing eachother, and they don't seem to be arsed about doing anything to stop it. Apart from buying even more guns. It's a normal daily life risk. You are can either prepare or you just trust the system . Clearly the latter didn't work.
What about if they change the system, so that people don't have the means to conduct mass shootings? People will still get their hands on firearms if they have malicious intent."Not worth even bothering to try then? That's what I can never understand. I realise it's a difficult problem to solve. But I don't understand why no one can be fucked to even try. | |||
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"What about if they change the system, so that people don't have the means to conduct mass shootings?" How would you change the system? Let's say the US government decides to ban assault weapons. Most of the law-abiding citizens would hand in their weapons. Those people concerned about government overreach would keep hold of them, as would all the bad guys. There is no register of who owns what, so there's no way to determine if any weapons have been squirreled away. You now have a situation where all of the bad guys still have weapons, and a lot are stored away in garages and basements. Have you really made the country safer? You might reduce the number of mass killings, but you might also increase the number of deaths from armed robbery, as the bad guys no longer fear a tooled-up victim. Are you sure that would definitely decrease the number of gun deaths? | |||
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"What about if they change the system, so that people don't have the means to conduct mass shootings? How would you change the system? Let's say the US government decides to ban assault weapons. Most of the law-abiding citizens would hand in their weapons. Those people concerned about government overreach would keep hold of them, as would all the bad guys. There is no register of who owns what, so there's no way to determine if any weapons have been squirreled away. You now have a situation where all of the bad guys still have weapons, and a lot are stored away in garages and basements. Have you really made the country safer? You might reduce the number of mass killings, but you might also increase the number of deaths from armed robbery, as the bad guys no longer fear a tooled-up victim. Are you sure that would definitely decrease the number of gun deaths?" Sounds better than the current plan of doing fuck all. Which is definitely not working. | |||
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" If you lived in the US would you buy a gun? Have to say as I lived there if I still did what would I do…. One of the reasons I left was having bullets whizzing past my head The 2nd amendment only actually allows a person to protect themselves with a handgun on your own property….. So would I see me having one at home for that purpose… that is a question I struggle with… I would only need 1 with minimal ammunition locked in a secure place Would I carry outside… absolutely not! " Why would you not carry outdoors, what changes from being on your property to being out in public? | |||
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"How is it that the toughest firearm laws in the country has some of the most shootings? Still doesn't change my mind as to not carry
Toughest firearm laws in a country that has virtually no firearm laws isn't a badge of honour. Sorry, honor.
As the Onion puts it every time(almost every day currently):
Only country in the world where this happens says "nothing could be done to prevent it"
Crackpot country. yes but without us "Crackpots" around life would be harder on other nations All for American isolationist policies. Let you Europeans deal with you own shit and we deal with ours.
You’re not doing a very good job, I expect another mass shooting next week, then the week after etc, it’s fucked up Probably a Tornado too maybe flooding or wildfires maybe a couple bear attacks possibly more riots. It's almost summertime it's riot season.
I think this is a good example. If there was a way to stop people dying from natural disasters, would you take it, or just say "fuck it, let them die"?one could argue this is the climate change debate...
Indeed. I which case the answer is "fuck it, let them die".
This is the time we live in. Yup I can walk out my front door tomorrow morning get bitten by a rattlesnake or not hearing tornado alert in the middle of the night or go to my jeep in the morning and have a black bear. But I take precautions on anything threatening my well being.
You’re more likely to beshot than I am, and I have never carried a gun I am also more likely to get hit with a tornado a hurricane a bear a coyote a rattlesnake a human and rabid animals. You on the other hand probably can't make a decision on which hangnail irritated the most
The fact that you take responsibility for yourself is commendable. Please do not take that as patronising.
However, isn't one of the main points of civilization that existential threats should stop having to be at the forefront of your thoughts? So you saying kill all the animals ? To stop those threats ? They are real same as criminals with guns. Dead is dead anyway you look at it
Bears in the countryside are like criminals in a city with millions of people?
A bit of a stretch I think. But you can still die. Ever encountered a momma black bear with cubs? I would rather encounter a human with a gun.
They are not encountered in the same environments.
I will not encounter a black bear except in a situation that I am prepared for. Neither will you.
I will not encounter a human with a gun going shopping. You may well do.
Would that not be a preferable situation for you as well? and they are the risks I take and you do not. I am willing you are not able to do the same.
I do not have to take the risk of being shot going to the shops.
Would you not prefer there to be no risk in being shot going to the shops where you live too? Do you find it preferable that there is a risk to your safety? Can you not envisage that not being the case?
Can you accept Blu runs the risk of being shot?"Yes, I can. What question am I actually asking? "Would you not prefer there to be no risk in being shot going to the shops where you live too?" Let's ask another question and see if an answer is possible. Would you prefer to live near a clean river or one with raw sewage and industrial chemicals pumped into it? If you prefer a different outcome, do you you do something about it or do you do nothing about it? | |||
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"How is it that the toughest firearm laws in the country has some of the most shootings? Still doesn't change my mind as to not carry
Toughest firearm laws in a country that has virtually no firearm laws isn't a badge of honour. Sorry, honor.
As the Onion puts it every time(almost every day currently):
Only country in the world where this happens says "nothing could be done to prevent it"
Crackpot country. yes but without us "Crackpots" around life would be harder on other nations All for American isolationist policies. Let you Europeans deal with you own shit and we deal with ours.
You’re not doing a very good job, I expect another mass shooting next week, then the week after etc, it’s fucked up Probably a Tornado too maybe flooding or wildfires maybe a couple bear attacks possibly more riots. It's almost summertime it's riot season.
I think this is a good example. If there was a way to stop people dying from natural disasters, would you take it, or just say "fuck it, let them die"?one could argue this is the climate change debate...
Indeed. I which case the answer is "fuck it, let them die".
This is the time we live in. Yup I can walk out my front door tomorrow morning get bitten by a rattlesnake or not hearing tornado alert in the middle of the night or go to my jeep in the morning and have a black bear. But I take precautions on anything threatening my well being.
You’re more likely to beshot than I am, and I have never carried a gun I am also more likely to get hit with a tornado a hurricane a bear a coyote a rattlesnake a human and rabid animals. You on the other hand probably can't make a decision on which hangnail irritated the most
The fact that you take responsibility for yourself is commendable. Please do not take that as patronising.
However, isn't one of the main points of civilization that existential threats should stop having to be at the forefront of your thoughts? So you saying kill all the animals ? To stop those threats ? They are real same as criminals with guns. Dead is dead anyway you look at it
Bears in the countryside are like criminals in a city with millions of people?
A bit of a stretch I think. But you can still die. Ever encountered a momma black bear with cubs? I would rather encounter a human with a gun.
They are not encountered in the same environments.
I will not encounter a black bear except in a situation that I am prepared for. Neither will you.
I will not encounter a human with a gun going shopping. You may well do.
Would that not be a preferable situation for you as well? and they are the risks I take and you do not. I am willing you are not able to do the same.
I do not have to take the risk of being shot going to the shops.
Would you not prefer there to be no risk in being shot going to the shops where you live too? Do you find it preferable that there is a risk to your safety? Can you not envisage that not being the case?
Can you accept Blu runs the risk of being shot?
Yes, I can.
What question am I actually asking?
"Would you not prefer there to be no risk in being shot going to the shops where you live too?"
Let's ask another question and see if an answer is possible.
Would you prefer to live near a clean river or one with raw sewage and industrial chemicals pumped into it?
If you prefer a different outcome, do you you do something about it or do you do nothing about it?"Would you own a gun if you lived in the US? | |||
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" Would you own a gun if you lived in the US?" I know you're not asking me. But I definitely would not. I've had a gun pointed at me three times, once in Colorado, two separate times in Pennsylvania. I can only imagine that if I had pulled out a gun at any of those occasions. I would have escalated the situation and I would have been shot, and probably killed. | |||
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"What about if they change the system, so that people don't have the means to conduct mass shootings? How would you change the system? Let's say the US government decides to ban assault weapons. Most of the law-abiding citizens would hand in their weapons. Those people concerned about government overreach would keep hold of them, as would all the bad guys. There is no register of who owns what, so there's no way to determine if any weapons have been squirreled away. You now have a situation where all of the bad guys still have weapons, and a lot are stored away in garages and basements. Have you really made the country safer? You might reduce the number of mass killings, but you might also increase the number of deaths from armed robbery, as the bad guys no longer fear a tooled-up victim. Are you sure that would definitely decrease the number of gun deaths?" The number of gun deaths in the US is extraordinarily high as it is. Do criminals "fear" a tooled up victim now? You are more likely to die from the use of a weapon if you live in a household with one than if you do not. The majority of gun deaths are from accidental shooting and suicide. You are also more likely to be deliberately killed by a spouse or family member. https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/apr/07/guns-handguns-safety-homicide-killing-study The police in the US would remain armed. Apply your logic as to where the danger really lies. | |||
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"What about if they change the system, so that people don't have the means to conduct mass shootings? How would you change the system? Let's say the US government decides to ban assault weapons. Most of the law-abiding citizens would hand in their weapons. Those people concerned about government overreach would keep hold of them, as would all the bad guys. There is no register of who owns what, so there's no way to determine if any weapons have been squirreled away. You now have a situation where all of the bad guys still have weapons, and a lot are stored away in garages and basements. Have you really made the country safer? You might reduce the number of mass killings, but you might also increase the number of deaths from armed robbery, as the bad guys no longer fear a tooled-up victim. Are you sure that would definitely decrease the number of gun deaths? Sounds better than the current plan of doing fuck all. Which is definitely not working. " How does this sounds better. Let's take away something that I have to protect myself being law abiding and just hand it over to criminals. | |||
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"What about if they change the system, so that people don't have the means to conduct mass shootings? How would you change the system? Let's say the US government decides to ban assault weapons. Most of the law-abiding citizens would hand in their weapons. Those people concerned about government overreach would keep hold of them, as would all the bad guys. There is no register of who owns what, so there's no way to determine if any weapons have been squirreled away. You now have a situation where all of the bad guys still have weapons, and a lot are stored away in garages and basements. Have you really made the country safer? You might reduce the number of mass killings, but you might also increase the number of deaths from armed robbery, as the bad guys no longer fear a tooled-up victim. Are you sure that would definitely decrease the number of gun deaths? Sounds better than the current plan of doing fuck all. Which is definitely not working. How does this sounds better. Let's take away something that I have to protect myself being law abiding and just hand it over to criminals." Take them away from the criminals too. Sorted. Look, I know it's a complex issue. And I know it won't be easy. But to me, that's a poor excuse for not even nothing to try. | |||
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"How is it that the toughest firearm laws in the country has some of the most shootings? Still doesn't change my mind as to not carry
Toughest firearm laws in a country that has virtually no firearm laws isn't a badge of honour. Sorry, honor.
As the Onion puts it every time(almost every day currently):
Only country in the world where this happens says "nothing could be done to prevent it"
Crackpot country. yes but without us "Crackpots" around life would be harder on other nations All for American isolationist policies. Let you Europeans deal with you own shit and we deal with ours.
You’re not doing a very good job, I expect another mass shooting next week, then the week after etc, it’s fucked up Probably a Tornado too maybe flooding or wildfires maybe a couple bear attacks possibly more riots. It's almost summertime it's riot season.
I think this is a good example. If there was a way to stop people dying from natural disasters, would you take it, or just say "fuck it, let them die"?one could argue this is the climate change debate...
Indeed. I which case the answer is "fuck it, let them die".
This is the time we live in. Yup I can walk out my front door tomorrow morning get bitten by a rattlesnake or not hearing tornado alert in the middle of the night or go to my jeep in the morning and have a black bear. But I take precautions on anything threatening my well being.
You’re more likely to beshot than I am, and I have never carried a gun I am also more likely to get hit with a tornado a hurricane a bear a coyote a rattlesnake a human and rabid animals. You on the other hand probably can't make a decision on which hangnail irritated the most
The fact that you take responsibility for yourself is commendable. Please do not take that as patronising.
However, isn't one of the main points of civilization that existential threats should stop having to be at the forefront of your thoughts? So you saying kill all the animals ? To stop those threats ? They are real same as criminals with guns. Dead is dead anyway you look at it
Bears in the countryside are like criminals in a city with millions of people?
A bit of a stretch I think. But you can still die. Ever encountered a momma black bear with cubs? I would rather encounter a human with a gun.
They are not encountered in the same environments.
I will not encounter a black bear except in a situation that I am prepared for. Neither will you.
I will not encounter a human with a gun going shopping. You may well do.
Would that not be a preferable situation for you as well? and they are the risks I take and you do not. I am willing you are not able to do the same.
I do not have to take the risk of being shot going to the shops.
Would you not prefer there to be no risk in being shot going to the shops where you live too? Do you find it preferable that there is a risk to your safety? Can you not envisage that not being the case?
Can you accept Blu runs the risk of being shot?
Isn't that the theme of the tread? Americans keep shooting and killing eachother, and they don't seem to be arsed about doing anything to stop it. Apart from buying even more guns. It's a normal daily life risk. You are can either prepare or you just trust the system . Clearly the latter didn't work.
What about if they change the system, so that people don't have the means to conduct mass shootings? People will still get their hands on firearms if they have malicious intent."They do here too. Most of don't have weapons. Most of us have no urge to. You still haven't answered directly though. "Would you not prefer there to be no risk in being shot going to the shops where you live too?" Would that not be better as an aspiration? Do you accept that bad circumstances must always remain the same forever or do you try to improve them? | |||
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"As this discussion still has some way to go… With the last suggestion to make the owing of ammunition illegal. Or it could at least be licensed with limitations set on the amount owned. That would at least preserve the right firearm ownership. However rights come with responsibilities. Discuss….." No clue on making ammunition but guess there's the chance of people blowing themselves up? Either in the process of assembly or a malfunction in the weapons? Increase in hospital admission | |||
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"How is it that the toughest firearm laws in the country has some of the most shootings? Still doesn't change my mind as to not carry
Toughest firearm laws in a country that has virtually no firearm laws isn't a badge of honour. Sorry, honor.
As the Onion puts it every time(almost every day currently):
Only country in the world where this happens says "nothing could be done to prevent it"
Crackpot country. yes but without us "Crackpots" around life would be harder on other nations All for American isolationist policies. Let you Europeans deal with you own shit and we deal with ours.
You’re not doing a very good job, I expect another mass shooting next week, then the week after etc, it’s fucked up Probably a Tornado too maybe flooding or wildfires maybe a couple bear attacks possibly more riots. It's almost summertime it's riot season.
I think this is a good example. If there was a way to stop people dying from natural disasters, would you take it, or just say "fuck it, let them die"?one could argue this is the climate change debate...
Indeed. I which case the answer is "fuck it, let them die".
This is the time we live in. Yup I can walk out my front door tomorrow morning get bitten by a rattlesnake or not hearing tornado alert in the middle of the night or go to my jeep in the morning and have a black bear. But I take precautions on anything threatening my well being.
You’re more likely to beshot than I am, and I have never carried a gun I am also more likely to get hit with a tornado a hurricane a bear a coyote a rattlesnake a human and rabid animals. You on the other hand probably can't make a decision on which hangnail irritated the most
The fact that you take responsibility for yourself is commendable. Please do not take that as patronising.
However, isn't one of the main points of civilization that existential threats should stop having to be at the forefront of your thoughts? So you saying kill all the animals ? To stop those threats ? They are real same as criminals with guns. Dead is dead anyway you look at it
Bears in the countryside are like criminals in a city with millions of people?
A bit of a stretch I think. But you can still die. Ever encountered a momma black bear with cubs? I would rather encounter a human with a gun.
They are not encountered in the same environments.
I will not encounter a black bear except in a situation that I am prepared for. Neither will you.
I will not encounter a human with a gun going shopping. You may well do.
Would that not be a preferable situation for you as well? and they are the risks I take and you do not. I am willing you are not able to do the same.
I do not have to take the risk of being shot going to the shops.
Would you not prefer there to be no risk in being shot going to the shops where you live too? Do you find it preferable that there is a risk to your safety? Can you not envisage that not being the case?
Can you accept Blu runs the risk of being shot?
Isn't that the theme of the tread? Americans keep shooting and killing eachother, and they don't seem to be arsed about doing anything to stop it. Apart from buying even more guns. It's a normal daily life risk. You are can either prepare or you just trust the system . Clearly the latter didn't work.
What about if they change the system, so that people don't have the means to conduct mass shootings? People will still get their hands on firearms if they have malicious intent.
They do here too.
Most of don't have weapons. Most of us have no urge to.
You still haven't answered directly though.
"Would you not prefer there to be no risk in being shot going to the shops where you live too?"
Would that not be better as an aspiration? Do you accept that bad circumstances must always remain the same forever or do you try to improve them?"I prefer no risk but that aspiration is a fantasy now isn't it? | |||
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"How is it that the toughest firearm laws in the country has some of the most shootings? Still doesn't change my mind as to not carry
Toughest firearm laws in a country that has virtually no firearm laws isn't a badge of honour. Sorry, honor.
As the Onion puts it every time(almost every day currently):
Only country in the world where this happens says "nothing could be done to prevent it"
Crackpot country. yes but without us "Crackpots" around life would be harder on other nations All for American isolationist policies. Let you Europeans deal with you own shit and we deal with ours.
You’re not doing a very good job, I expect another mass shooting next week, then the week after etc, it’s fucked up Probably a Tornado too maybe flooding or wildfires maybe a couple bear attacks possibly more riots. It's almost summertime it's riot season.
I think this is a good example. If there was a way to stop people dying from natural disasters, would you take it, or just say "fuck it, let them die"?one could argue this is the climate change debate...
Indeed. I which case the answer is "fuck it, let them die".
This is the time we live in. Yup I can walk out my front door tomorrow morning get bitten by a rattlesnake or not hearing tornado alert in the middle of the night or go to my jeep in the morning and have a black bear. But I take precautions on anything threatening my well being.
You’re more likely to beshot than I am, and I have never carried a gun I am also more likely to get hit with a tornado a hurricane a bear a coyote a rattlesnake a human and rabid animals. You on the other hand probably can't make a decision on which hangnail irritated the most
The fact that you take responsibility for yourself is commendable. Please do not take that as patronising.
However, isn't one of the main points of civilization that existential threats should stop having to be at the forefront of your thoughts? So you saying kill all the animals ? To stop those threats ? They are real same as criminals with guns. Dead is dead anyway you look at it
Bears in the countryside are like criminals in a city with millions of people?
A bit of a stretch I think. But you can still die. Ever encountered a momma black bear with cubs? I would rather encounter a human with a gun.
They are not encountered in the same environments.
I will not encounter a black bear except in a situation that I am prepared for. Neither will you.
I will not encounter a human with a gun going shopping. You may well do.
Would that not be a preferable situation for you as well? and they are the risks I take and you do not. I am willing you are not able to do the same.
I do not have to take the risk of being shot going to the shops.
Would you not prefer there to be no risk in being shot going to the shops where you live too? Do you find it preferable that there is a risk to your safety? Can you not envisage that not being the case?
Can you accept Blu runs the risk of being shot?
Isn't that the theme of the tread? Americans keep shooting and killing eachother, and they don't seem to be arsed about doing anything to stop it. Apart from buying even more guns. It's a normal daily life risk. You are can either prepare or you just trust the system . Clearly the latter didn't work.
What about if they change the system, so that people don't have the means to conduct mass shootings? People will still get their hands on firearms if they have malicious intent.
They do here too.
Most of don't have weapons. Most of us have no urge to.
You still haven't answered directly though.
"Would you not prefer there to be no risk in being shot going to the shops where you live too?"
Would that not be better as an aspiration? Do you accept that bad circumstances must always remain the same forever or do you try to improve them? I prefer no risk but that aspiration is a fantasy now isn't it?"So was not dying of cholera or typhoid. It was a "fantasy" in Australia too. Why not increase the cost of ammunition to a very high level? Gun clubs could hold cheaper ammunition only for use at ranges for recreational and practice. No more than one clip at home. How about that as a start? | |||
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"How is it that the toughest firearm laws in the country has some of the most shootings? Still doesn't change my mind as to not carry
Toughest firearm laws in a country that has virtually no firearm laws isn't a badge of honour. Sorry, honor.
As the Onion puts it every time(almost every day currently):
Only country in the world where this happens says "nothing could be done to prevent it"
Crackpot country. yes but without us "Crackpots" around life would be harder on other nations All for American isolationist policies. Let you Europeans deal with you own shit and we deal with ours.
You’re not doing a very good job, I expect another mass shooting next week, then the week after etc, it’s fucked up Probably a Tornado too maybe flooding or wildfires maybe a couple bear attacks possibly more riots. It's almost summertime it's riot season.
I think this is a good example. If there was a way to stop people dying from natural disasters, would you take it, or just say "fuck it, let them die"?one could argue this is the climate change debate...
Indeed. I which case the answer is "fuck it, let them die".
This is the time we live in. Yup I can walk out my front door tomorrow morning get bitten by a rattlesnake or not hearing tornado alert in the middle of the night or go to my jeep in the morning and have a black bear. But I take precautions on anything threatening my well being.
You’re more likely to beshot than I am, and I have never carried a gun I am also more likely to get hit with a tornado a hurricane a bear a coyote a rattlesnake a human and rabid animals. You on the other hand probably can't make a decision on which hangnail irritated the most
The fact that you take responsibility for yourself is commendable. Please do not take that as patronising.
However, isn't one of the main points of civilization that existential threats should stop having to be at the forefront of your thoughts? So you saying kill all the animals ? To stop those threats ? They are real same as criminals with guns. Dead is dead anyway you look at it
Bears in the countryside are like criminals in a city with millions of people?
A bit of a stretch I think. But you can still die. Ever encountered a momma black bear with cubs? I would rather encounter a human with a gun.
They are not encountered in the same environments.
I will not encounter a black bear except in a situation that I am prepared for. Neither will you.
I will not encounter a human with a gun going shopping. You may well do.
Would that not be a preferable situation for you as well? and they are the risks I take and you do not. I am willing you are not able to do the same.
I do not have to take the risk of being shot going to the shops.
Would you not prefer there to be no risk in being shot going to the shops where you live too? Do you find it preferable that there is a risk to your safety? Can you not envisage that not being the case?
Can you accept Blu runs the risk of being shot?
Isn't that the theme of the tread? Americans keep shooting and killing eachother, and they don't seem to be arsed about doing anything to stop it. Apart from buying even more guns. It's a normal daily life risk. You are can either prepare or you just trust the system . Clearly the latter didn't work.
What about if they change the system, so that people don't have the means to conduct mass shootings? People will still get their hands on firearms if they have malicious intent.
They do here too.
Most of don't have weapons. Most of us have no urge to.
You still haven't answered directly though.
"Would you not prefer there to be no risk in being shot going to the shops where you live too?"
Would that not be better as an aspiration? Do you accept that bad circumstances must always remain the same forever or do you try to improve them? I prefer no risk but that aspiration is a fantasy now isn't it?
So was not dying of cholera or typhoid.
It was a "fantasy" in Australia too.
Why not increase the cost of ammunition to a very high level?
Gun clubs could hold cheaper ammunition only for use at ranges for recreational and practice.
No more than one clip at home.
How about that as a start?"I can agree with that we load our own anyways. What about the millions of rounds in circulation now ? We have enough primers for about 5000 rounds. If I can do it so can the black market. Good start but I doubt it will do anything since 26 states are constitutional carry and the individual states probably will just produce their own. | |||
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" Would you own a gun if you lived in the US? I know you're not asking me. But I definitely would not. I've had a gun pointed at me three times, once in Colorado, two separate times in Pennsylvania. I can only imagine that if I had pulled out a gun at any of those occasions. I would have escalated the situation and I would have been shot, and probably killed. " That is a probability, having a gun pointed at you close range puts you in a disadvantaged position from the start, and pulling a gun from that point is not going to end well 99 times out of 100. The mass shootings only seem to end when the police get involved, if people are armed they appear not to want to engage and as Fabio mentioned earlier he would have a gun but in his house never outdoors. Something doesn't add up, are guns owned to protect from intruders / criminals entering peoples property in the main? Are people only using guns if they are confronted directly? If it is when confronted directly, then surely the most logical first step would be to ban all weapons being carried outside the home. | |||
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" Would you own a gun if you lived in the US? I know you're not asking me. But I definitely would not. I've had a gun pointed at me three times, once in Colorado, two separate times in Pennsylvania. I can only imagine that if I had pulled out a gun at any of those occasions. I would have escalated the situation and I would have been shot, and probably killed. That is a probability, having a gun pointed at you close range puts you in a disadvantaged position from the start, and pulling a gun from that point is not going to end well 99 times out of 100. The mass shootings only seem to end when the police get involved, if people are armed they appear not to want to engage and as Fabio mentioned earlier he would have a gun but in his house never outdoors. Something doesn't add up, are guns owned to protect from intruders / criminals entering peoples property in the main? Are people only using guns if they are confronted directly? If it is when confronted directly, then surely the most logical first step would be to ban all weapons being carried outside the home. " Except that the most fun deaths happen in the home and have nothing to do with criminals. | |||
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"How is it that the toughest firearm laws in the country has some of the most shootings? Still doesn't change my mind as to not carry
Toughest firearm laws in a country that has virtually no firearm laws isn't a badge of honour. Sorry, honor.
As the Onion puts it every time(almost every day currently):
Only country in the world where this happens says "nothing could be done to prevent it"
Crackpot country. yes but without us "Crackpots" around life would be harder on other nations All for American isolationist policies. Let you Europeans deal with you own shit and we deal with ours.
You’re not doing a very good job, I expect another mass shooting next week, then the week after etc, it’s fucked up Probably a Tornado too maybe flooding or wildfires maybe a couple bear attacks possibly more riots. It's almost summertime it's riot season.
I think this is a good example. If there was a way to stop people dying from natural disasters, would you take it, or just say "fuck it, let them die"?one could argue this is the climate change debate...
Indeed. I which case the answer is "fuck it, let them die".
This is the time we live in. Yup I can walk out my front door tomorrow morning get bitten by a rattlesnake or not hearing tornado alert in the middle of the night or go to my jeep in the morning and have a black bear. But I take precautions on anything threatening my well being.
You’re more likely to beshot than I am, and I have never carried a gun I am also more likely to get hit with a tornado a hurricane a bear a coyote a rattlesnake a human and rabid animals. You on the other hand probably can't make a decision on which hangnail irritated the most
The fact that you take responsibility for yourself is commendable. Please do not take that as patronising.
However, isn't one of the main points of civilization that existential threats should stop having to be at the forefront of your thoughts? So you saying kill all the animals ? To stop those threats ? They are real same as criminals with guns. Dead is dead anyway you look at it
Bears in the countryside are like criminals in a city with millions of people?
A bit of a stretch I think. But you can still die. Ever encountered a momma black bear with cubs? I would rather encounter a human with a gun.
They are not encountered in the same environments.
I will not encounter a black bear except in a situation that I am prepared for. Neither will you.
I will not encounter a human with a gun going shopping. You may well do.
Would that not be a preferable situation for you as well? and they are the risks I take and you do not. I am willing you are not able to do the same.
I do not have to take the risk of being shot going to the shops.
Would you not prefer there to be no risk in being shot going to the shops where you live too? Do you find it preferable that there is a risk to your safety? Can you not envisage that not being the case?
Can you accept Blu runs the risk of being shot?
Isn't that the theme of the tread? Americans keep shooting and killing eachother, and they don't seem to be arsed about doing anything to stop it. Apart from buying even more guns. It's a normal daily life risk. You are can either prepare or you just trust the system . Clearly the latter didn't work.
What about if they change the system, so that people don't have the means to conduct mass shootings? People will still get their hands on firearms if they have malicious intent.
They do here too.
Most of don't have weapons. Most of us have no urge to.
You still haven't answered directly though.
"Would you not prefer there to be no risk in being shot going to the shops where you live too?"
Would that not be better as an aspiration? Do you accept that bad circumstances must always remain the same forever or do you try to improve them? I prefer no risk but that aspiration is a fantasy now isn't it?
So was not dying of cholera or typhoid.
It was a "fantasy" in Australia too.
Why not increase the cost of ammunition to a very high level?
Gun clubs could hold cheaper ammunition only for use at ranges for recreational and practice.
No more than one clip at home.
How about that as a start? I can agree with that we load our own anyways. What about the millions of rounds in circulation now ? We have enough primers for about 5000 rounds. If I can do it so can the black market. Good start but I doubt it will do anything since 26 states are constitutional carry and the individual states probably will just produce their own.
"So start. Be proud that you are a state that is actively doing something rather than passively accepting the situation. Everything starts with baby steps. | |||
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" Would you own a gun if you lived in the US? I know you're not asking me. But I definitely would not. I've had a gun pointed at me three times, once in Colorado, two separate times in Pennsylvania. I can only imagine that if I had pulled out a gun at any of those occasions. I would have escalated the situation and I would have been shot, and probably killed. That is a probability, having a gun pointed at you close range puts you in a disadvantaged position from the start, and pulling a gun from that point is not going to end well 99 times out of 100. The mass shootings only seem to end when the police get involved, if people are armed they appear not to want to engage and as Fabio mentioned earlier he would have a gun but in his house never outdoors. Something doesn't add up, are guns owned to protect from intruders / criminals entering peoples property in the main? Are people only using guns if they are confronted directly? If it is when confronted directly, then surely the most logical first step would be to ban all weapons being carried outside the home. Except that the most fun deaths happen in the home and have nothing to do with criminals." Auto correcting in my mind the typo..I would imagine that is the case, but outlawing guns in all places is not going to fly. A ban on one area of owning a gun, out in public might start to shift opinion in other area of gun law. Policing would also be easier as nobody should be carrying a weapon. | |||
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" Would you own a gun if you lived in the US? I know you're not asking me. But I definitely would not. I've had a gun pointed at me three times, once in Colorado, two separate times in Pennsylvania. I can only imagine that if I had pulled out a gun at any of those occasions. I would have escalated the situation and I would have been shot, and probably killed. That is a probability, having a gun pointed at you close range puts you in a disadvantaged position from the start, and pulling a gun from that point is not going to end well 99 times out of 100. The mass shootings only seem to end when the police get involved, if people are armed they appear not to want to engage and as Fabio mentioned earlier he would have a gun but in his house never outdoors. Something doesn't add up, are guns owned to protect from intruders / criminals entering peoples property in the main? Are people only using guns if they are confronted directly? If it is when confronted directly, then surely the most logical first step would be to ban all weapons being carried outside the home. Except that the most fun deaths happen in the home and have nothing to do with criminals. Auto correcting in my mind the typo..I would imagine that is the case, but outlawing guns in all places is not going to fly. A ban on one area of owning a gun, out in public might start to shift opinion in other area of gun law. Policing would also be easier as nobody should be carrying a weapon." Yes gun* deaths. A start would be licences being contingent on mental health and criminal records checks and having secure storage and not looking angry or d*unk when you want to buy a weapon. Perhaps even having to wait for a few days after applying. All things that are being rolled back in various places. For what benefit I do not know. I imagine that most criminals do not have licensed weapons anyway and shouldn't be carrying in public and that the police already have powers to enforce that. | |||
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" Would you own a gun if you lived in the US? I know you're not asking me. But I definitely would not. I've had a gun pointed at me three times, once in Colorado, two separate times in Pennsylvania. I can only imagine that if I had pulled out a gun at any of those occasions. I would have escalated the situation and I would have been shot, and probably killed. That is a probability, having a gun pointed at you close range puts you in a disadvantaged position from the start, and pulling a gun from that point is not going to end well 99 times out of 100. The mass shootings only seem to end when the police get involved, if people are armed they appear not to want to engage and as Fabio mentioned earlier he would have a gun but in his house never outdoors. Something doesn't add up, are guns owned to protect from intruders / criminals entering peoples property in the main? Are people only using guns if they are confronted directly? If it is when confronted directly, then surely the most logical first step would be to ban all weapons being carried outside the home. Except that the most fun deaths happen in the home and have nothing to do with criminals. Auto correcting in my mind the typo..I would imagine that is the case, but outlawing guns in all places is not going to fly. A ban on one area of owning a gun, out in public might start to shift opinion in other area of gun law. Policing would also be easier as nobody should be carrying a weapon. Yes gun* deaths. A start would be licences being contingent on mental health and criminal records checks and having secure storage and not looking angry or d*unk when you want to buy a weapon. Perhaps even having to wait for a few days after applying. All things that are being rolled back in various places. For what benefit I do not know. I imagine that most criminals do not have licensed weapons anyway and shouldn't be carrying in public and that the police already have powers to enforce that." Seams to me it should never be harder to get a library card than a Assault weapon. Even in Texas 76% think the age limit to own this weapon should be raised from 18 to 21. And 72% think weapons should be removed if a court says the individual is a danger to themselves or others. Yet the politicians says this can't be done. They ban book, ban drag shows, ban abortions, ban kids crossing State lines to get medical help but when it comes to banning guns they say it can't be done because bans don't work. I can't see things changing in the sort term but when you have parents and their kids worried they aren't going to see each other again, after going to school or the store because of someone with a gun. These kids will grow up and become voters and leaders, and I think the intransigence of the Republican party at the moment will come back to bite them in the arse as bans on weapons will be much harder than anyone can imagine. That's if America is still a Democracy in twenty years time. . | |||
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" Would you own a gun if you lived in the US? I know you're not asking me. But I definitely would not. I've had a gun pointed at me three times, once in Colorado, two separate times in Pennsylvania. I can only imagine that if I had pulled out a gun at any of those occasions. I would have escalated the situation and I would have been shot, and probably killed. That is a probability, having a gun pointed at you close range puts you in a disadvantaged position from the start, and pulling a gun from that point is not going to end well 99 times out of 100. The mass shootings only seem to end when the police get involved, if people are armed they appear not to want to engage and as Fabio mentioned earlier he would have a gun but in his house never outdoors. Something doesn't add up, are guns owned to protect from intruders / criminals entering peoples property in the main? Are people only using guns if they are confronted directly? If it is when confronted directly, then surely the most logical first step would be to ban all weapons being carried outside the home. Except that the most fun deaths happen in the home and have nothing to do with criminals. Auto correcting in my mind the typo..I would imagine that is the case, but outlawing guns in all places is not going to fly. A ban on one area of owning a gun, out in public might start to shift opinion in other area of gun law. Policing would also be easier as nobody should be carrying a weapon. Yes gun* deaths. A start would be licences being contingent on mental health and criminal records checks and having secure storage and not looking angry or d*unk when you want to buy a weapon. Perhaps even having to wait for a few days after applying. All things that are being rolled back in various places. For what benefit I do not know. I imagine that most criminals do not have licensed weapons anyway and shouldn't be carrying in public and that the police already have powers to enforce that." Police can not profile anyone. There is no stop and search. You can easily conceal you wouldn't know I had mine on me. | |||
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" Would you own a gun if you lived in the US? I know you're not asking me. But I definitely would not. I've had a gun pointed at me three times, once in Colorado, two separate times in Pennsylvania. I can only imagine that if I had pulled out a gun at any of those occasions. I would have escalated the situation and I would have been shot, and probably killed. That is a probability, having a gun pointed at you close range puts you in a disadvantaged position from the start, and pulling a gun from that point is not going to end well 99 times out of 100. The mass shootings only seem to end when the police get involved, if people are armed they appear not to want to engage and as Fabio mentioned earlier he would have a gun but in his house never outdoors. Something doesn't add up, are guns owned to protect from intruders / criminals entering peoples property in the main? Are people only using guns if they are confronted directly? If it is when confronted directly, then surely the most logical first step would be to ban all weapons being carried outside the home. Except that the most fun deaths happen in the home and have nothing to do with criminals. Auto correcting in my mind the typo..I would imagine that is the case, but outlawing guns in all places is not going to fly. A ban on one area of owning a gun, out in public might start to shift opinion in other area of gun law. Policing would also be easier as nobody should be carrying a weapon. Yes gun* deaths. A start would be licences being contingent on mental health and criminal records checks and having secure storage and not looking angry or d*unk when you want to buy a weapon. Perhaps even having to wait for a few days after applying. All things that are being rolled back in various places. For what benefit I do not know. I imagine that most criminals do not have licensed weapons anyway and shouldn't be carrying in public and that the police already have powers to enforce that. Police can not profile anyone. There is no stop and search. You can easily conceal you wouldn't know I had mine on me." Why do members of the public not engage with mass shooters like we have seen in Texas, if they are carrying guns? | |||
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" Would you own a gun if you lived in the US? I know you're not asking me. But I definitely would not. I've had a gun pointed at me three times, once in Colorado, two separate times in Pennsylvania. I can only imagine that if I had pulled out a gun at any of those occasions. I would have escalated the situation and I would have been shot, and probably killed. That is a probability, having a gun pointed at you close range puts you in a disadvantaged position from the start, and pulling a gun from that point is not going to end well 99 times out of 100. The mass shootings only seem to end when the police get involved, if people are armed they appear not to want to engage and as Fabio mentioned earlier he would have a gun but in his house never outdoors. Something doesn't add up, are guns owned to protect from intruders / criminals entering peoples property in the main? Are people only using guns if they are confronted directly? If it is when confronted directly, then surely the most logical first step would be to ban all weapons being carried outside the home. " I'm sure 99.9999% of people intend to only use them as you mentioned. For various forms of protection. But clearly, people are people, and some use them for more. | |||
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" Would you own a gun if you lived in the US? I know you're not asking me. But I definitely would not. I've had a gun pointed at me three times, once in Colorado, two separate times in Pennsylvania. I can only imagine that if I had pulled out a gun at any of those occasions. I would have escalated the situation and I would have been shot, and probably killed. That is a probability, having a gun pointed at you close range puts you in a disadvantaged position from the start, and pulling a gun from that point is not going to end well 99 times out of 100. The mass shootings only seem to end when the police get involved, if people are armed they appear not to want to engage and as Fabio mentioned earlier he would have a gun but in his house never outdoors. Something doesn't add up, are guns owned to protect from intruders / criminals entering peoples property in the main? Are people only using guns if they are confronted directly? If it is when confronted directly, then surely the most logical first step would be to ban all weapons being carried outside the home. Except that the most fun deaths happen in the home and have nothing to do with criminals. Auto correcting in my mind the typo..I would imagine that is the case, but outlawing guns in all places is not going to fly. A ban on one area of owning a gun, out in public might start to shift opinion in other area of gun law. Policing would also be easier as nobody should be carrying a weapon. Yes gun* deaths. A start would be licences being contingent on mental health and criminal records checks and having secure storage and not looking angry or d*unk when you want to buy a weapon. Perhaps even having to wait for a few days after applying. All things that are being rolled back in various places. For what benefit I do not know. I imagine that most criminals do not have licensed weapons anyway and shouldn't be carrying in public and that the police already have powers to enforce that. Police can not profile anyone. There is no stop and search. You can easily conceal you wouldn't know I had mine on me. Why do members of the public not engage with mass shooters like we have seen in Texas, if they are carrying guns?" There are plenty of instances. Some alot of pt just leave their firearms home as to not upset shall we say liberals in a open carry state.its one of the reasons I have a concealed as not to upset anyone. | |||
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" Would you own a gun if you lived in the US? I know you're not asking me. But I definitely would not. I've had a gun pointed at me three times, once in Colorado, two separate times in Pennsylvania. I can only imagine that if I had pulled out a gun at any of those occasions. I would have escalated the situation and I would have been shot, and probably killed. That is a probability, having a gun pointed at you close range puts you in a disadvantaged position from the start, and pulling a gun from that point is not going to end well 99 times out of 100. The mass shootings only seem to end when the police get involved, if people are armed they appear not to want to engage and as Fabio mentioned earlier he would have a gun but in his house never outdoors. Something doesn't add up, are guns owned to protect from intruders / criminals entering peoples property in the main? Are people only using guns if they are confronted directly? If it is when confronted directly, then surely the most logical first step would be to ban all weapons being carried outside the home. Except that the most fun deaths happen in the home and have nothing to do with criminals. Auto correcting in my mind the typo..I would imagine that is the case, but outlawing guns in all places is not going to fly. A ban on one area of owning a gun, out in public might start to shift opinion in other area of gun law. Policing would also be easier as nobody should be carrying a weapon. Yes gun* deaths. A start would be licences being contingent on mental health and criminal records checks and having secure storage and not looking angry or d*unk when you want to buy a weapon. Perhaps even having to wait for a few days after applying. All things that are being rolled back in various places. For what benefit I do not know. I imagine that most criminals do not have licensed weapons anyway and shouldn't be carrying in public and that the police already have powers to enforce that. Police can not profile anyone. There is no stop and search. You can easily conceal you wouldn't know I had mine on me. Why do members of the public not engage with mass shooters like we have seen in Texas, if they are carrying guns? There are plenty of instances. Some alot of pt just leave their firearms home as to not upset shall we say liberals in a open carry state.its one of the reasons I have a concealed as not to upset anyone. " Do people get noticeably upset seeing members of the public carrying around guns on display? | |||
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" Would you own a gun if you lived in the US? I know you're not asking me. But I definitely would not. I've had a gun pointed at me three times, once in Colorado, two separate times in Pennsylvania. I can only imagine that if I had pulled out a gun at any of those occasions. I would have escalated the situation and I would have been shot, and probably killed. That is a probability, having a gun pointed at you close range puts you in a disadvantaged position from the start, and pulling a gun from that point is not going to end well 99 times out of 100. The mass shootings only seem to end when the police get involved, if people are armed they appear not to want to engage and as Fabio mentioned earlier he would have a gun but in his house never outdoors. Something doesn't add up, are guns owned to protect from intruders / criminals entering peoples property in the main? Are people only using guns if they are confronted directly? If it is when confronted directly, then surely the most logical first step would be to ban all weapons being carried outside the home. Except that the most fun deaths happen in the home and have nothing to do with criminals. Auto correcting in my mind the typo..I would imagine that is the case, but outlawing guns in all places is not going to fly. A ban on one area of owning a gun, out in public might start to shift opinion in other area of gun law. Policing would also be easier as nobody should be carrying a weapon. Yes gun* deaths. A start would be licences being contingent on mental health and criminal records checks and having secure storage and not looking angry or d*unk when you want to buy a weapon. Perhaps even having to wait for a few days after applying. All things that are being rolled back in various places. For what benefit I do not know. I imagine that most criminals do not have licensed weapons anyway and shouldn't be carrying in public and that the police already have powers to enforce that. Police can not profile anyone. There is no stop and search. You can easily conceal you wouldn't know I had mine on me. Why do members of the public not engage with mass shooters like we have seen in Texas, if they are carrying guns? There are plenty of instances. Some alot of pt just leave their firearms home as to not upset shall we say liberals in a open carry state.its one of the reasons I have a concealed as not to upset anyone. Do people get noticeably upset seeing members of the public carrying around guns on display?" Only the ones who are also shouting at passing cars. | |||
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" Would you own a gun if you lived in the US? I know you're not asking me. But I definitely would not. I've had a gun pointed at me three times, once in Colorado, two separate times in Pennsylvania. I can only imagine that if I had pulled out a gun at any of those occasions. I would have escalated the situation and I would have been shot, and probably killed. That is a probability, having a gun pointed at you close range puts you in a disadvantaged position from the start, and pulling a gun from that point is not going to end well 99 times out of 100. The mass shootings only seem to end when the police get involved, if people are armed they appear not to want to engage and as Fabio mentioned earlier he would have a gun but in his house never outdoors. Something doesn't add up, are guns owned to protect from intruders / criminals entering peoples property in the main? Are people only using guns if they are confronted directly? If it is when confronted directly, then surely the most logical first step would be to ban all weapons being carried outside the home. Except that the most fun deaths happen in the home and have nothing to do with criminals. Auto correcting in my mind the typo..I would imagine that is the case, but outlawing guns in all places is not going to fly. A ban on one area of owning a gun, out in public might start to shift opinion in other area of gun law. Policing would also be easier as nobody should be carrying a weapon. Yes gun* deaths. A start would be licences being contingent on mental health and criminal records checks and having secure storage and not looking angry or d*unk when you want to buy a weapon. Perhaps even having to wait for a few days after applying. All things that are being rolled back in various places. For what benefit I do not know. I imagine that most criminals do not have licensed weapons anyway and shouldn't be carrying in public and that the police already have powers to enforce that. Police can not profile anyone. There is no stop and search. You can easily conceal you wouldn't know I had mine on me. Why do members of the public not engage with mass shooters like we have seen in Texas, if they are carrying guns? There are plenty of instances. Some alot of pt just leave their firearms home as to not upset shall we say liberals in a open carry state.its one of the reasons I have a concealed as not to upset anyone. Do people get noticeably upset seeing members of the public carrying around guns on display?" Some do. We were confronted carrying on state gamelands for carrying rifles during hunting season. I get confronted over some of my T-shirts. People just can't let people alone anymore. Keep your bullshit to yourself in public then there will be no issues. | |||
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" Would you own a gun if you lived in the US? I know you're not asking me. But I definitely would not. I've had a gun pointed at me three times, once in Colorado, two separate times in Pennsylvania. I can only imagine that if I had pulled out a gun at any of those occasions. I would have escalated the situation and I would have been shot, and probably killed. That is a probability, having a gun pointed at you close range puts you in a disadvantaged position from the start, and pulling a gun from that point is not going to end well 99 times out of 100. The mass shootings only seem to end when the police get involved, if people are armed they appear not to want to engage and as Fabio mentioned earlier he would have a gun but in his house never outdoors. Something doesn't add up, are guns owned to protect from intruders / criminals entering peoples property in the main? Are people only using guns if they are confronted directly? If it is when confronted directly, then surely the most logical first step would be to ban all weapons being carried outside the home. Except that the most fun deaths happen in the home and have nothing to do with criminals. Auto correcting in my mind the typo..I would imagine that is the case, but outlawing guns in all places is not going to fly. A ban on one area of owning a gun, out in public might start to shift opinion in other area of gun law. Policing would also be easier as nobody should be carrying a weapon. Yes gun* deaths. A start would be licences being contingent on mental health and criminal records checks and having secure storage and not looking angry or d*unk when you want to buy a weapon. Perhaps even having to wait for a few days after applying. All things that are being rolled back in various places. For what benefit I do not know. I imagine that most criminals do not have licensed weapons anyway and shouldn't be carrying in public and that the police already have powers to enforce that. Police can not profile anyone. There is no stop and search. You can easily conceal you wouldn't know I had mine on me. Why do members of the public not engage with mass shooters like we have seen in Texas, if they are carrying guns? There are plenty of instances. Some alot of pt just leave their firearms home as to not upset shall we say liberals in a open carry state.its one of the reasons I have a concealed as not to upset anyone. Do people get noticeably upset seeing members of the public carrying around guns on display? Some do. We were confronted carrying on state gamelands for carrying rifles during hunting season. I get confronted over some of my T-shirts. People just can't let people alone anymore. Keep your bullshit to yourself in public then there will be no issues. " Isn't that what wearing a t-shirt is doing, opening public conversation on a point of view? As long as it is polite. | |||
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" Would you own a gun if you lived in the US? I know you're not asking me. But I definitely would not. I've had a gun pointed at me three times, once in Colorado, two separate times in Pennsylvania. I can only imagine that if I had pulled out a gun at any of those occasions. I would have escalated the situation and I would have been shot, and probably killed. That is a probability, having a gun pointed at you close range puts you in a disadvantaged position from the start, and pulling a gun from that point is not going to end well 99 times out of 100. The mass shootings only seem to end when the police get involved, if people are armed they appear not to want to engage and as Fabio mentioned earlier he would have a gun but in his house never outdoors. Something doesn't add up, are guns owned to protect from intruders / criminals entering peoples property in the main? Are people only using guns if they are confronted directly? If it is when confronted directly, then surely the most logical first step would be to ban all weapons being carried outside the home. Except that the most fun deaths happen in the home and have nothing to do with criminals. Auto correcting in my mind the typo..I would imagine that is the case, but outlawing guns in all places is not going to fly. A ban on one area of owning a gun, out in public might start to shift opinion in other area of gun law. Policing would also be easier as nobody should be carrying a weapon. Yes gun* deaths. A start would be licences being contingent on mental health and criminal records checks and having secure storage and not looking angry or d*unk when you want to buy a weapon. Perhaps even having to wait for a few days after applying. All things that are being rolled back in various places. For what benefit I do not know. I imagine that most criminals do not have licensed weapons anyway and shouldn't be carrying in public and that the police already have powers to enforce that. Police can not profile anyone. There is no stop and search. You can easily conceal you wouldn't know I had mine on me. Why do members of the public not engage with mass shooters like we have seen in Texas, if they are carrying guns? There are plenty of instances. Some alot of pt just leave their firearms home as to not upset shall we say liberals in a open carry state.its one of the reasons I have a concealed as not to upset anyone. Do people get noticeably upset seeing members of the public carrying around guns on display? Some do. We were confronted carrying on state gamelands for carrying rifles during hunting season. I get confronted over some of my T-shirts. People just can't let people alone anymore. Keep your bullshit to yourself in public then there will be no issues. Isn't that what wearing a t-shirt is doing, opening public conversation on a point of view? As long as it is polite. " It's never polite is the issue. | |||
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" Would you own a gun if you lived in the US? I know you're not asking me. But I definitely would not. I've had a gun pointed at me three times, once in Colorado, two separate times in Pennsylvania. I can only imagine that if I had pulled out a gun at any of those occasions. I would have escalated the situation and I would have been shot, and probably killed. That is a probability, having a gun pointed at you close range puts you in a disadvantaged position from the start, and pulling a gun from that point is not going to end well 99 times out of 100. The mass shootings only seem to end when the police get involved, if people are armed they appear not to want to engage and as Fabio mentioned earlier he would have a gun but in his house never outdoors. Something doesn't add up, are guns owned to protect from intruders / criminals entering peoples property in the main? Are people only using guns if they are confronted directly? If it is when confronted directly, then surely the most logical first step would be to ban all weapons being carried outside the home. Except that the most fun deaths happen in the home and have nothing to do with criminals. Auto correcting in my mind the typo..I would imagine that is the case, but outlawing guns in all places is not going to fly. A ban on one area of owning a gun, out in public might start to shift opinion in other area of gun law. Policing would also be easier as nobody should be carrying a weapon. Yes gun* deaths. A start would be licences being contingent on mental health and criminal records checks and having secure storage and not looking angry or d*unk when you want to buy a weapon. Perhaps even having to wait for a few days after applying. All things that are being rolled back in various places. For what benefit I do not know. I imagine that most criminals do not have licensed weapons anyway and shouldn't be carrying in public and that the police already have powers to enforce that. Police can not profile anyone. There is no stop and search. You can easily conceal you wouldn't know I had mine on me. Why do members of the public not engage with mass shooters like we have seen in Texas, if they are carrying guns? There are plenty of instances. Some alot of pt just leave their firearms home as to not upset shall we say liberals in a open carry state.its one of the reasons I have a concealed as not to upset anyone. " The notion that people are walking around carrying weapons openly is not correct? People either conceal the weapon or don't carry it at all? Why do people carry concealed guns outside of the house if that is the case? | |||
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"I never ask anyone anything in public about the way they should live. Yet others have a need to express how I should be more like them. Nope I am me. Singular little old me. " This is not a thing exclusive to the US, we have people like that here. I think a lot of people can't recognise where the internet stops and reality begins... | |||
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" Would you own a gun if you lived in the US? I know you're not asking me. But I definitely would not. I've had a gun pointed at me three times, once in Colorado, two separate times in Pennsylvania. I can only imagine that if I had pulled out a gun at any of those occasions. I would have escalated the situation and I would have been shot, and probably killed. That is a probability, having a gun pointed at you close range puts you in a disadvantaged position from the start, and pulling a gun from that point is not going to end well 99 times out of 100. The mass shootings only seem to end when the police get involved, if people are armed they appear not to want to engage and as Fabio mentioned earlier he would have a gun but in his house never outdoors. Something doesn't add up, are guns owned to protect from intruders / criminals entering peoples property in the main? Are people only using guns if they are confronted directly? If it is when confronted directly, then surely the most logical first step would be to ban all weapons being carried outside the home. Except that the most fun deaths happen in the home and have nothing to do with criminals. Auto correcting in my mind the typo..I would imagine that is the case, but outlawing guns in all places is not going to fly. A ban on one area of owning a gun, out in public might start to shift opinion in other area of gun law. Policing would also be easier as nobody should be carrying a weapon. Yes gun* deaths. A start would be licences being contingent on mental health and criminal records checks and having secure storage and not looking angry or d*unk when you want to buy a weapon. Perhaps even having to wait for a few days after applying. All things that are being rolled back in various places. For what benefit I do not know. I imagine that most criminals do not have licensed weapons anyway and shouldn't be carrying in public and that the police already have powers to enforce that. Police can not profile anyone. There is no stop and search. You can easily conceal you wouldn't know I had mine on me. Why do members of the public not engage with mass shooters like we have seen in Texas, if they are carrying guns? There are plenty of instances. Some alot of pt just leave their firearms home as to not upset shall we say liberals in a open carry state.its one of the reasons I have a concealed as not to upset anyone. The notion that people are walking around carrying weapons openly is not correct? People either conceal the weapon or don't carry it at all? Why do people carry concealed guns outside of the house if that is the case?" people conceal to avoid the unwanted attention. | |||
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" Would you own a gun if you lived in the US? I know you're not asking me. But I definitely would not. I've had a gun pointed at me three times, once in Colorado, two separate times in Pennsylvania. I can only imagine that if I had pulled out a gun at any of those occasions. I would have escalated the situation and I would have been shot, and probably killed. That is a probability, having a gun pointed at you close range puts you in a disadvantaged position from the start, and pulling a gun from that point is not going to end well 99 times out of 100. The mass shootings only seem to end when the police get involved, if people are armed they appear not to want to engage and as Fabio mentioned earlier he would have a gun but in his house never outdoors. Something doesn't add up, are guns owned to protect from intruders / criminals entering peoples property in the main? Are people only using guns if they are confronted directly? If it is when confronted directly, then surely the most logical first step would be to ban all weapons being carried outside the home. Except that the most fun deaths happen in the home and have nothing to do with criminals. Auto correcting in my mind the typo..I would imagine that is the case, but outlawing guns in all places is not going to fly. A ban on one area of owning a gun, out in public might start to shift opinion in other area of gun law. Policing would also be easier as nobody should be carrying a weapon. Yes gun* deaths. A start would be licences being contingent on mental health and criminal records checks and having secure storage and not looking angry or d*unk when you want to buy a weapon. Perhaps even having to wait for a few days after applying. All things that are being rolled back in various places. For what benefit I do not know. I imagine that most criminals do not have licensed weapons anyway and shouldn't be carrying in public and that the police already have powers to enforce that. Police can not profile anyone. There is no stop and search. You can easily conceal you wouldn't know I had mine on me. Why do members of the public not engage with mass shooters like we have seen in Texas, if they are carrying guns? There are plenty of instances. Some alot of pt just leave their firearms home as to not upset shall we say liberals in a open carry state.its one of the reasons I have a concealed as not to upset anyone. The notion that people are walking around carrying weapons openly is not correct? People either conceal the weapon or don't carry it at all? Why do people carry concealed guns outside of the house if that is the case? people conceal to avoid the unwanted attention." People in rural areas open carry all the time. But when you go to a urban area if you open carry the police generally shows up because someone was offended. So carrying concealed is less aggravating in urban areas. | |||
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" Would you own a gun if you lived in the US? I know you're not asking me. But I definitely would not. I've had a gun pointed at me three times, once in Colorado, two separate times in Pennsylvania. I can only imagine that if I had pulled out a gun at any of those occasions. I would have escalated the situation and I would have been shot, and probably killed. That is a probability, having a gun pointed at you close range puts you in a disadvantaged position from the start, and pulling a gun from that point is not going to end well 99 times out of 100. The mass shootings only seem to end when the police get involved, if people are armed they appear not to want to engage and as Fabio mentioned earlier he would have a gun but in his house never outdoors. Something doesn't add up, are guns owned to protect from intruders / criminals entering peoples property in the main? Are people only using guns if they are confronted directly? If it is when confronted directly, then surely the most logical first step would be to ban all weapons being carried outside the home. Except that the most fun deaths happen in the home and have nothing to do with criminals. Auto correcting in my mind the typo..I would imagine that is the case, but outlawing guns in all places is not going to fly. A ban on one area of owning a gun, out in public might start to shift opinion in other area of gun law. Policing would also be easier as nobody should be carrying a weapon. Yes gun* deaths. A start would be licences being contingent on mental health and criminal records checks and having secure storage and not looking angry or d*unk when you want to buy a weapon. Perhaps even having to wait for a few days after applying. All things that are being rolled back in various places. For what benefit I do not know. I imagine that most criminals do not have licensed weapons anyway and shouldn't be carrying in public and that the police already have powers to enforce that. Police can not profile anyone. There is no stop and search. You can easily conceal you wouldn't know I had mine on me. Why do members of the public not engage with mass shooters like we have seen in Texas, if they are carrying guns? There are plenty of instances. Some alot of pt just leave their firearms home as to not upset shall we say liberals in a open carry state.its one of the reasons I have a concealed as not to upset anyone. The notion that people are walking around carrying weapons openly is not correct? People either conceal the weapon or don't carry it at all? Why do people carry concealed guns outside of the house if that is the case? people conceal to avoid the unwanted attention. People in rural areas open carry all the time. But when you go to a urban area if you open carry the police generally shows up because someone was offended. So carrying concealed is less aggravating in urban areas." If it is legal to open carry why would the police turn up even if they are called? | |||
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" Would you own a gun if you lived in the US? I know you're not asking me. But I definitely would not. I've had a gun pointed at me three times, once in Colorado, two separate times in Pennsylvania. I can only imagine that if I had pulled out a gun at any of those occasions. I would have escalated the situation and I would have been shot, and probably killed. That is a probability, having a gun pointed at you close range puts you in a disadvantaged position from the start, and pulling a gun from that point is not going to end well 99 times out of 100. The mass shootings only seem to end when the police get involved, if people are armed they appear not to want to engage and as Fabio mentioned earlier he would have a gun but in his house never outdoors. Something doesn't add up, are guns owned to protect from intruders / criminals entering peoples property in the main? Are people only using guns if they are confronted directly? If it is when confronted directly, then surely the most logical first step would be to ban all weapons being carried outside the home. Except that the most fun deaths happen in the home and have nothing to do with criminals. Auto correcting in my mind the typo..I would imagine that is the case, but outlawing guns in all places is not going to fly. A ban on one area of owning a gun, out in public might start to shift opinion in other area of gun law. Policing would also be easier as nobody should be carrying a weapon. Yes gun* deaths. A start would be licences being contingent on mental health and criminal records checks and having secure storage and not looking angry or d*unk when you want to buy a weapon. Perhaps even having to wait for a few days after applying. All things that are being rolled back in various places. For what benefit I do not know. I imagine that most criminals do not have licensed weapons anyway and shouldn't be carrying in public and that the police already have powers to enforce that. Police can not profile anyone. There is no stop and search. You can easily conceal you wouldn't know I had mine on me. Why do members of the public not engage with mass shooters like we have seen in Texas, if they are carrying guns? There are plenty of instances. Some alot of pt just leave their firearms home as to not upset shall we say liberals in a open carry state.its one of the reasons I have a concealed as not to upset anyone. Do people get noticeably upset seeing members of the public carrying around guns on display? Some do. We were confronted carrying on state gamelands for carrying rifles during hunting season. I get confronted over some of my T-shirts. People just can't let people alone anymore. Keep your bullshit to yourself in public then there will be no issues. Isn't that what wearing a t-shirt is doing, opening public conversation on a point of view? As long as it is polite. It's never polite is the issue." That's fair. | |||
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" Would you own a gun if you lived in the US? I know you're not asking me. But I definitely would not. I've had a gun pointed at me three times, once in Colorado, two separate times in Pennsylvania. I can only imagine that if I had pulled out a gun at any of those occasions. I would have escalated the situation and I would have been shot, and probably killed. That is a probability, having a gun pointed at you close range puts you in a disadvantaged position from the start, and pulling a gun from that point is not going to end well 99 times out of 100. The mass shootings only seem to end when the police get involved, if people are armed they appear not to want to engage and as Fabio mentioned earlier he would have a gun but in his house never outdoors. Something doesn't add up, are guns owned to protect from intruders / criminals entering peoples property in the main? Are people only using guns if they are confronted directly? If it is when confronted directly, then surely the most logical first step would be to ban all weapons being carried outside the home. Except that the most fun deaths happen in the home and have nothing to do with criminals. Auto correcting in my mind the typo..I would imagine that is the case, but outlawing guns in all places is not going to fly. A ban on one area of owning a gun, out in public might start to shift opinion in other area of gun law. Policing would also be easier as nobody should be carrying a weapon. Yes gun* deaths. A start would be licences being contingent on mental health and criminal records checks and having secure storage and not looking angry or d*unk when you want to buy a weapon. Perhaps even having to wait for a few days after applying. All things that are being rolled back in various places. For what benefit I do not know. I imagine that most criminals do not have licensed weapons anyway and shouldn't be carrying in public and that the police already have powers to enforce that. Police can not profile anyone. There is no stop and search. You can easily conceal you wouldn't know I had mine on me. Why do members of the public not engage with mass shooters like we have seen in Texas, if they are carrying guns? There are plenty of instances. Some alot of pt just leave their firearms home as to not upset shall we say liberals in a open carry state.its one of the reasons I have a concealed as not to upset anyone. The notion that people are walking around carrying weapons openly is not correct? People either conceal the weapon or don't carry it at all? Why do people carry concealed guns outside of the house if that is the case? people conceal to avoid the unwanted attention. People in rural areas open carry all the time. But when you go to a urban area if you open carry the police generally shows up because someone was offended. So carrying concealed is less aggravating in urban areas. If it is legal to open carry why would the police turn up even if they are called?" Public perceptions in cities it's frowned upon in rural it's not. So it's better to conceal. If I open carried in downtown Scranton people would call the police. Where I live it's not a issue if I open carried and it's only a 30 min drive. | |||
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"P.s just so you know the updated numbers the number of mass shooting in the us for 2023 currently stands at 202… The definition on a mass shooting is an event where 5 or more people are killed or injured not including the actual shooter " People are just desensitized to shootings anymore that's the truth. The shootings are viewed as another everyday risk. I hear it all the time. I ask people at the range first time buyers it's always the same response. Self protection because you can not rely on law enforcement to keep you safe. There has been a huge surge in sales because of that fear of the unknown with all the political and social unrest. | |||
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"P.s just so you know the updated numbers the number of mass shooting in the us for 2023 currently stands at 202… The definition on a mass shooting is an event where 5 or more people are killed or injured not including the actual shooter People are just desensitized to shootings anymore that's the truth. The shootings are viewed as another everyday risk. I hear it all the time. I ask people at the range first time buyers it's always the same response. Self protection because you can not rely on law enforcement to keep you safe. There has been a huge surge in sales because of that fear of the unknown with all the political and social unrest." Is that good? Being desensitised to mass shootings and not even registering the rates of individual domestic deaths? Do you not want to try and improve the status quo? Have you given up? | |||
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"P.s just so you know the updated numbers the number of mass shooting in the us for 2023 currently stands at 202… The definition on a mass shooting is an event where 5 or more people are killed or injured not including the actual shooter People are just desensitized to shootings anymore that's the truth. The shootings are viewed as another everyday risk. I hear it all the time. I ask people at the range first time buyers it's always the same response. Self protection because you can not rely on law enforcement to keep you safe. There has been a huge surge in sales because of that fear of the unknown with all the political and social unrest." Apparently after searching the killers home they now think they know what set him off on his murderess rampage. A letter was found, "Sorry but after an extensive background check your application for a library card has been rejected". . | |||
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"P.s just so you know the updated numbers the number of mass shooting in the us for 2023 currently stands at 202… The definition on a mass shooting is an event where 5 or more people are killed or injured not including the actual shooter People are just desensitized to shootings anymore that's the truth. The shootings are viewed as another everyday risk. I hear it all the time. I ask people at the range first time buyers it's always the same response. Self protection because you can not rely on law enforcement to keep you safe. There has been a huge surge in sales because of that fear of the unknown with all the political and social unrest. Is that good? Being desensitised to mass shootings and not even registering the rates of individual domestic deaths? Do you not want to try and improve the status quo? Have you given up?" I am just doing my daily routines. Living my life they way i want to. | |||
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"P.s just so you know the updated numbers the number of mass shooting in the us for 2023 currently stands at 202… The definition on a mass shooting is an event where 5 or more people are killed or injured not including the actual shooter People are just desensitized to shootings anymore that's the truth. The shootings are viewed as another everyday risk. I hear it all the time. I ask people at the range first time buyers it's always the same response. Self protection because you can not rely on law enforcement to keep you safe. There has been a huge surge in sales because of that fear of the unknown with all the political and social unrest. Is that good? Being desensitised to mass shootings and not even registering the rates of individual domestic deaths? Do you not want to try and improve the status quo? Have you given up? I am just doing my daily routines. Living my life they way i want to. "So, no. Don't try. Accept the deaths. | |||
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"Is that good? Being desensitised to mass shootings and not even registering the rates of individual domestic deaths? Do you not want to try and improve the status quo? Have you given up?" "I am just doing my daily routines. Living my life they way i want to." "So, no. Don't try. Accept the deaths." An estimated 19,000 people have died from road accidents in the USA so far this year. Why is no one insisting that something be done? | |||
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"Is that good? Being desensitised to mass shootings and not even registering the rates of individual domestic deaths? Do you not want to try and improve the status quo? Have you given up? I am just doing my daily routines. Living my life they way i want to. So, no. Don't try. Accept the deaths. An estimated 19,000 people have died from road accidents in the USA so far this year. Why is no one insisting that something be done?" The main purpose of road usage isn't killing people. A car isn't specifically designed to end a human life. Mass transit is important for people's lives. I'm sure you can think of some more yourself. You're usually good at this stuff. | |||
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"Is that good? Being desensitised to mass shootings and not even registering the rates of individual domestic deaths? Do you not want to try and improve the status quo? Have you given up? I am just doing my daily routines. Living my life they way i want to. So, no. Don't try. Accept the deaths. An estimated 19,000 people have died from road accidents in the USA so far this year. Why is no one insisting that something be done?" I'm sure many groups are. However clearly there are nuances here... Cars arent to built to kill. But maybe an approach to guns as cars would make sense. High bar to get a license. Each piece is registered to an owner. I assume guns need insurance for any damage they do ? | |||
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"... clearly there are nuances here... Cars aren't to built to kill." I agree, and I wasn't trying to draw an equivalence. My point was that it's easy to ignore the things you don't want to hear, and become desensitised to multiple deaths. We put up with road deaths because cars are so jolly useful. It's clear that Americans will put up with mass shootings because they consider their guns to be so important to them. The fact that we don't share that view doesn't make it less valid. | |||
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"... clearly there are nuances here... Cars aren't to built to kill. I agree, and I wasn't trying to draw an equivalence. My point was that it's easy to ignore the things you don't want to hear, and become desensitised to multiple deaths. We put up with road deaths because cars are so jolly useful. It's clear that Americans will put up with mass shootings because they consider their guns to be so important to them. The fact that we don't share that view doesn't make it less valid." I think you’ve made a valid point in the normalisation of deaths by things that we own that are dangerous, be it by accident, recklessness or deliberate. | |||
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"... clearly there are nuances here... Cars aren't to built to kill. I agree, and I wasn't trying to draw an equivalence. My point was that it's easy to ignore the things you don't want to hear, and become desensitised to multiple deaths. We put up with road deaths because cars are so jolly useful. It's clear that Americans will put up with mass shootings because they consider their guns to be so important to them. The fact that we don't share that view doesn't make it less valid." true. We all focua on the exceptional not the ordinary. And agree we've all made a cost benefit with cars. My struggle is that noone has really explained the benefits clearly. It seems to be about the amendment and to protect from other gun owners. But again, I agree with the underlying points you are making. I'm only discussing this because a thread is here!! | |||
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"Is that good? Being desensitised to mass shootings and not even registering the rates of individual domestic deaths? Do you not want to try and improve the status quo? Have you given up? I am just doing my daily routines. Living my life they way i want to. So, no. Don't try. Accept the deaths. An estimated 19,000 people have died from road accidents in the USA so far this year. Why is no one insisting that something be done?I'm sure many groups are. However clearly there are nuances here... Cars arent to built to kill. But maybe an approach to guns as cars would make sense. High bar to get a license. Each piece is registered to an owner. I assume guns need insurance for any damage they do ? " People still drive cars here with no license or suspended licenses. | |||
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"Is that good? Being desensitised to mass shootings and not even registering the rates of individual domestic deaths? Do you not want to try and improve the status quo? Have you given up? I am just doing my daily routines. Living my life they way i want to. So, no. Don't try. Accept the deaths. An estimated 19,000 people have died from road accidents in the USA so far this year. Why is no one insisting that something be done?I'm sure many groups are. However clearly there are nuances here... Cars arent to built to kill. But maybe an approach to guns as cars would make sense. High bar to get a license. Each piece is registered to an owner. I assume guns need insurance for any damage they do ? People still drive cars here with no license or suspended licenses." people break the law. But you can easily find out if someone is driving illegally. But my point is the bar is higher for cars than guns. | |||
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"... clearly there are nuances here... Cars aren't to built to kill. I agree, and I wasn't trying to draw an equivalence. My point was that it's easy to ignore the things you don't want to hear, and become desensitised to multiple deaths. We put up with road deaths because cars are so jolly useful. It's clear that Americans will put up with mass shootings because they consider their guns to be so important to them. The fact that we don't share that view doesn't make it less valid." You nailed it. It's just a risk living here. You either prepared or you are not. I can walk out my front door tomorrow get bit by a rattlesnake and die. inherent risks sorry shit happens but it has no bearing on my life choices. I'll still own firearms and protect myself to the best of my abilities. If I get shot then I look at it that I failed for not being prepared. | |||
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"P.s just so you know the updated numbers the number of mass shooting in the us for 2023 currently stands at 202… The definition on a mass shooting is an event where 5 or more people are killed or injured not including the actual shooter People are just desensitized to shootings anymore that's the truth. The shootings are viewed as another everyday risk. I hear it all the time. I ask people at the range first time buyers it's always the same response. Self protection because you can not rely on law enforcement to keep you safe. There has been a huge surge in sales because of that fear of the unknown with all the political and social unrest. Is that good? Being desensitised to mass shootings and not even registering the rates of individual domestic deaths? Do you not want to try and improve the status quo? Have you given up? I am just doing my daily routines. Living my life they way i want to.
So, no. Don't try. Accept the deaths."Exactly I don't know if you aware but people die every single day. Both manmade and natural. | |||
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"P.s just so you know the updated numbers the number of mass shooting in the us for 2023 currently stands at 202… The definition on a mass shooting is an event where 5 or more people are killed or injured not including the actual shooter People are just desensitized to shootings anymore that's the truth. The shootings are viewed as another everyday risk. I hear it all the time. I ask people at the range first time buyers it's always the same response. Self protection because you can not rely on law enforcement to keep you safe. There has been a huge surge in sales because of that fear of the unknown with all the political and social unrest. Is that good? Being desensitised to mass shootings and not even registering the rates of individual domestic deaths? Do you not want to try and improve the status quo? Have you given up? I am just doing my daily routines. Living my life they way i want to.
So, no. Don't try. Accept the deaths. Exactly I don't know if you aware but people die every single day. Both manmade and natural. "I choose not to be a statistic for you | |||
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"Now some of you know the mind of a lawful firearm carrying citizen. Appalling isn't it? "Not for me. Guns would be one of my main reasons for never wanting to live in the US. I like playing guitar. If someone was using guitars to mass murder school kids regularly. I'd happily give it up in an attempt to reduce or stop the killing. | |||
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"Now some of you know the mind of a lawful firearm carrying citizen. Appalling isn't it?
Not for me. Guns would be one of my main reasons for never wanting to live in the US.
I like playing guitar. If someone was using guitars to mass murder school kids regularly. I'd happily give it up in an attempt to reduce or stop the killing. "Then don't live here strum on your guitar and be happy. I am I happy with my choices and you are with yours. I just don't bow and you do . | |||
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"Is that good? Being desensitised to mass shootings and not even registering the rates of individual domestic deaths? Do you not want to try and improve the status quo? Have you given up? I am just doing my daily routines. Living my life they way i want to. So, no. Don't try. Accept the deaths. An estimated 19,000 people have died from road accidents in the USA so far this year. Why is no one insisting that something be done?" Really bad example. The industry and legislation have been introduced year on year on year to reduce road deaths. Seatbelts, airbags, ABS breaking, crumple zones. The introduction of the the MOT (in the UK) and drink driving laws. Driver assistance systems with sensors, cameras, automatic breaking lane keeping. What has been done on the same period to reduce fun deaths? In fact why is legislation being loosened? | |||
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"Is that good? Being desensitised to mass shootings and not even registering the rates of individual domestic deaths? Do you not want to try and improve the status quo? Have you given up? I am just doing my daily routines. Living my life they way i want to. So, no. Don't try. Accept the deaths. An estimated 19,000 people have died from road accidents in the USA so far this year. Why is no one insisting that something be done? Road deaths are not a good example. Something has been done year on year on year to reduce road deaths. Everything from the seatbelt to the airbag to the crumple zone. ABS breaking to driver assistance systems sensors and lane keeping and automatic breaking. What's been done to reduce gun violence?" gun locks biometric safes ect.. same advancement as air bags and safety features. Some cars are better than others safety wise are they not ? You not going to crash a Ford at 120 mph compared to a Lamborghini. | |||
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"Now some of you know the mind of a lawful firearm carrying citizen. Appalling isn't it? "Does a lawful firearm carrying citizen want people with mental health problems or criminal records to also have easy access to weapons? Is that a good thing? Would it be better to prevent that? | |||
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"Is that good? Being desensitised to mass shootings and not even registering the rates of individual domestic deaths? Do you not want to try and improve the status quo? Have you given up? I am just doing my daily routines. Living my life they way i want to. So, no. Don't try. Accept the deaths. An estimated 19,000 people have died from road accidents in the USA so far this year. Why is no one insisting that something be done? Road deaths are not a good example. Something has been done year on year on year to reduce road deaths. Everything from the seatbelt to the airbag to the crumple zone. ABS breaking to driver assistance systems sensors and lane keeping and automatic breaking. What's been done to reduce gun violence? gun locks biometric safes ect.. same advancement as air bags and safety features. Some cars are better than others safety wise are they not ? You not going to crash a Ford at 120 mph compared to a Lamborghini." Come on, that's sounding a bit desperate. Are biometric gun safes a requirement for gun ownership? Anything beyond that and a safety catch? The homologation rules are identical for a Ford and a Lamborghini. | |||
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"Now some of you know the mind of a lawful firearm carrying citizen. Appalling isn't it?
Does a lawful firearm carrying citizen want people with mental health problems or criminal records to also have easy access to weapons?
Is that a good thing? Would it be better to prevent that?"there are laws in place. But kinda like driving without a license which was a great analogy. People are going to do what they want without adherence to the laws. Can you read people's minds for their intentions? | |||
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"Is that good? Being desensitised to mass shootings and not even registering the rates of individual domestic deaths? Do you not want to try and improve the status quo? Have you given up? I am just doing my daily routines. Living my life they way i want to. So, no. Don't try. Accept the deaths. An estimated 19,000 people have died from road accidents in the USA so far this year. Why is no one insisting that something be done? Road deaths are not a good example. Something has been done year on year on year to reduce road deaths. Everything from the seatbelt to the airbag to the crumple zone. ABS breaking to driver assistance systems sensors and lane keeping and automatic breaking. What's been done to reduce gun violence? gun locks biometric safes ect.. same advancement as air bags and safety features. Some cars are better than others safety wise are they not ? You not going to crash a Ford at 120 mph compared to a Lamborghini. Come on, that's sounding a bit desperate. Are biometric gun safes a requirement for gun ownership? Anything beyond that and a safety catch? The homologation rules are identical for a Ford and a Lamborghini." is surviving a 100 mph crash a requirement in a Ford a requirement over a Lamborghini? I'll take a Lamborghini at 100 over any Ford passenger vehicle | |||
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"Is that good? Being desensitised to mass shootings and not even registering the rates of individual domestic deaths? Do you not want to try and improve the status quo? Have you given up? I am just doing my daily routines. Living my life they way i want to. So, no. Don't try. Accept the deaths. An estimated 19,000 people have died from road accidents in the USA so far this year. Why is no one insisting that something be done? Road deaths are not a good example. Something has been done year on year on year to reduce road deaths. Everything from the seatbelt to the airbag to the crumple zone. ABS breaking to driver assistance systems sensors and lane keeping and automatic breaking. What's been done to reduce gun violence? gun locks biometric safes ect.. same advancement as air bags and safety features. Some cars are better than others safety wise are they not ? You not going to crash a Ford at 120 mph compared to a Lamborghini. Come on, that's sounding a bit desperate. Are biometric gun safes a requirement for gun ownership? Anything beyond that and a safety catch? The homologation rules are identical for a Ford and a Lamborghini. is surviving a 100 mph crash a requirement in a Ford a requirement over a Lamborghini? I'll take a Lamborghini at 100 over any Ford passenger vehicle "Then you would be disappointed. They are both built to the same homologation rules and neither is over engineered because that adds cost. | |||
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"Now some of you know the mind of a lawful firearm carrying citizen. Appalling isn't it?
Does a lawful firearm carrying citizen want people with mental health problems or criminal records to also have easy access to weapons?
Is that a good thing? Would it be better to prevent that? there are laws in place. But kinda like driving without a license which was a great analogy. People are going to do what they want without adherence to the laws. Can you read people's minds for their intentions? "That sounds like you skirting the subject. There aren't consistent laws in place and there are loopholes and they are being loosened, aren't they? If you want to improve something you do what you can, don't you, rather than nothing? | |||
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"Is that good? Being desensitised to mass shootings and not even registering the rates of individual domestic deaths? Do you not want to try and improve the status quo? Have you given up? I am just doing my daily routines. Living my life they way i want to. So, no. Don't try. Accept the deaths. An estimated 19,000 people have died from road accidents in the USA so far this year. Why is no one insisting that something be done? Road deaths are not a good example. Something has been done year on year on year to reduce road deaths. Everything from the seatbelt to the airbag to the crumple zone. ABS breaking to driver assistance systems sensors and lane keeping and automatic breaking. What's been done to reduce gun violence? gun locks biometric safes ect.. same advancement as air bags and safety features. Some cars are better than others safety wise are they not ? You not going to crash a Ford at 120 mph compared to a Lamborghini. Come on, that's sounding a bit desperate. Are biometric gun safes a requirement for gun ownership? Anything beyond that and a safety catch? The homologation rules are identical for a Ford and a Lamborghini. is surviving a 100 mph crash a requirement in a Ford a requirement over a Lamborghini? I'll take a Lamborghini at 100 over any Ford passenger vehicle "maybe in America but not in the rest of the world. We have safety standards in every walk to of life. America dose not. | |||
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"Is that good? Being desensitised to mass shootings and not even registering the rates of individual domestic deaths? Do you not want to try and improve the status quo? Have you given up? I am just doing my daily routines. Living my life they way i want to. So, no. Don't try. Accept the deaths. An estimated 19,000 people have died from road accidents in the USA so far this year. Why is no one insisting that something be done? Really bad example. The industry and legislation have been introduced year on year on year to reduce road deaths. Seatbelts, airbags, ABS breaking, crumple zones. The introduction of the the MOT (in the UK) and drink driving laws. Driver assistance systems with sensors, cameras, automatic breaking lane keeping. What has been done on the same period to reduce fun deaths? In fact why is legislation being loosened?" You have dismissed the analogy by ignoring the deaths that could be avoided by removing he source of the problem. | |||
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"Now some of you know the mind of a lawful firearm carrying citizen. Appalling isn't it?
Does a lawful firearm carrying citizen want people with mental health problems or criminal records to also have easy access to weapons?
Is that a good thing? Would it be better to prevent that? there are laws in place. But kinda like driving without a license which was a great analogy. People are going to do what they want without adherence to the laws. Can you read people's minds for their intentions?
That sounds like you skirting the subject. There aren't consistent laws in place and there are loopholes and they are being loosened, aren't they?
If you want to improve something you do what you can, don't you, rather than nothing?"personally I do hence me carrying in the first place. I want my personal safety. Do you want airbags and smoke detectors? You cant predict either scenario getting in a wreck or a fire. I don't know if you aware you came DIE from both if you do not take the necessary precautions. | |||
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"Is that good? Being desensitised to mass shootings and not even registering the rates of individual domestic deaths? Do you not want to try and improve the status quo? Have you given up? I am just doing my daily routines. Living my life they way i want to. So, no. Don't try. Accept the deaths. An estimated 19,000 people have died from road accidents in the USA so far this year. Why is no one insisting that something be done? Really bad example. The industry and legislation have been introduced year on year on year to reduce road deaths. Seatbelts, airbags, ABS breaking, crumple zones. The introduction of the the MOT (in the UK) and drink driving laws. Driver assistance systems with sensors, cameras, automatic breaking lane keeping. What has been done on the same period to reduce fun deaths? In fact why is legislation being loosened? You have dismissed the analogy by ignoring the deaths that could be avoided by removing he source of the problem." What are you talking about? In the case of cars, something, many things even, are being done to mitigate the risk of something that is considered important and essential. What is being done to mitigate the risk of gun deaths? | |||
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"Is that good? Being desensitised to mass shootings and not even registering the rates of individual domestic deaths? Do you not want to try and improve the status quo? Have you given up? I am just doing my daily routines. Living my life they way i want to. So, no. Don't try. Accept the deaths. An estimated 19,000 people have died from road accidents in the USA so far this year. Why is no one insisting that something be done? Really bad example. The industry and legislation have been introduced year on year on year to reduce road deaths. Seatbelts, airbags, ABS breaking, crumple zones. The introduction of the the MOT (in the UK) and drink driving laws. Driver assistance systems with sensors, cameras, automatic breaking lane keeping. What has been done on the same period to reduce fun deaths? In fact why is legislation being loosened? You have dismissed the analogy by ignoring the deaths that could be avoided by removing he source of the problem. What are you talking about? In the case of cars, something, many things even, are being done to mitigate the risk of something that is considered important and essential. What is being done to mitigate the risk of gun deaths?" Sorry for the deletes.. Regardless of improvements a car in the control of a person kills many innocent people daily all over the world. A pile up can have mass deaths and yet it is accepted. Are you picking and choosing what is acceptable? A crash in a car isn't | |||
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"Is that good? Being desensitised to mass shootings and not even registering the rates of individual domestic deaths? Do you not want to try and improve the status quo? Have you given up? I am just doing my daily routines. Living my life they way i want to. So, no. Don't try. Accept the deaths. An estimated 19,000 people have died from road accidents in the USA so far this year. Why is no one insisting that something be done? Really bad example. The industry and legislation have been introduced year on year on year to reduce road deaths. Seatbelts, airbags, ABS breaking, crumple zones. The introduction of the the MOT (in the UK) and drink driving laws. Driver assistance systems with sensors, cameras, automatic breaking lane keeping. What has been done on the same period to reduce fun deaths? In fact why is legislation being loosened? You have dismissed the analogy by ignoring the deaths that could be avoided by removing he source of the problem. What are you talking about? In the case of cars, something, many things even, are being done to mitigate the risk of something that is considered important and essential. What is being done to mitigate the risk of gun deaths? Sorry for the deletes.. Regardless of improvements a car in the control of a person kills many innocent people daily all over the world. A pile up can have mass deaths and yet it is accepted. Are you picking and choosing what is acceptable? A crash in a car isn't" Again, I have no idea why you are making this argument. I'm certainly not. Maiming or death as a result of a car accident is a bad thing. Maiming or death as a result of gun use is a bad thing. Many things are being done to mitigate the dangers inherent in car use. Are any of these improvements being rolled back? Mitigate meaning reduce or minimise. Have many things been done to mitigate the danger of gun possession? Are some of the few things that have been done being rolled back? | |||
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"Is that good? Being desensitised to mass shootings and not even registering the rates of individual domestic deaths? Do you not want to try and improve the status quo? Have you given up? I am just doing my daily routines. Living my life they way i want to. So, no. Don't try. Accept the deaths. An estimated 19,000 people have died from road accidents in the USA so far this year. Why is no one insisting that something be done? Really bad example. The industry and legislation have been introduced year on year on year to reduce road deaths. Seatbelts, airbags, ABS breaking, crumple zones. The introduction of the the MOT (in the UK) and drink driving laws. Driver assistance systems with sensors, cameras, automatic breaking lane keeping. What has been done on the same period to reduce fun deaths? In fact why is legislation being loosened? You have dismissed the analogy by ignoring the deaths that could be avoided by removing he source of the problem. What are you talking about? In the case of cars, something, many things even, are being done to mitigate the risk of something that is considered important and essential. What is being done to mitigate the risk of gun deaths? Sorry for the deletes.. Regardless of improvements a car in the control of a person kills many innocent people daily all over the world. A pile up can have mass deaths and yet it is accepted. Are you picking and choosing what is acceptable? A crash in a car isn't" A DUI isn't either. The person who ran over a bunch of people in Texas caused the same carnage and that is acceptable. | |||
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"Is that good? Being desensitised to mass shootings and not even registering the rates of individual domestic deaths? Do you not want to try and improve the status quo? Have you given up? I am just doing my daily routines. Living my life they way i want to. So, no. Don't try. Accept the deaths. An estimated 19,000 people have died from road accidents in the USA so far this year. Why is no one insisting that something be done? Really bad example. The industry and legislation have been introduced year on year on year to reduce road deaths. Seatbelts, airbags, ABS breaking, crumple zones. The introduction of the the MOT (in the UK) and drink driving laws. Driver assistance systems with sensors, cameras, automatic breaking lane keeping. What has been done on the same period to reduce fun deaths? In fact why is legislation being loosened? You have dismissed the analogy by ignoring the deaths that could be avoided by removing he source of the problem. What are you talking about? In the case of cars, something, many things even, are being done to mitigate the risk of something that is considered important and essential. What is being done to mitigate the risk of gun deaths? Sorry for the deletes.. Regardless of improvements a car in the control of a person kills many innocent people daily all over the world. A pile up can have mass deaths and yet it is accepted. Are you picking and choosing what is acceptable? A crash in a car isn't A DUI isn't either. The person who ran over a bunch of people in Texas caused the same carnage and that is acceptable." No, it is not "acceptable". It's not an argument being made. You've just made something up out of the blue. What is being done to reduce the potential harm of access to weapons compared to driving a car? | |||
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"Is that good? Being desensitised to mass shootings and not even registering the rates of individual domestic deaths? Do you not want to try and improve the status quo? Have you given up? I am just doing my daily routines. Living my life they way i want to. So, no. Don't try. Accept the deaths. An estimated 19,000 people have died from road accidents in the USA so far this year. Why is no one insisting that something be done? Really bad example. The industry and legislation have been introduced year on year on year to reduce road deaths. Seatbelts, airbags, ABS breaking, crumple zones. The introduction of the the MOT (in the UK) and drink driving laws. Driver assistance systems with sensors, cameras, automatic breaking lane keeping. What has been done on the same period to reduce fun deaths? In fact why is legislation being loosened? You have dismissed the analogy by ignoring the deaths that could be avoided by removing he source of the problem. What are you talking about? In the case of cars, something, many things even, are being done to mitigate the risk of something that is considered important and essential. What is being done to mitigate the risk of gun deaths? Sorry for the deletes.. Regardless of improvements a car in the control of a person kills many innocent people daily all over the world. A pile up can have mass deaths and yet it is accepted. Are you picking and choosing what is acceptable? A crash in a car isn't A DUI isn't either. The person who ran over a bunch of people in Texas caused the same carnage and that is acceptable. No, it is not "acceptable". It's not an argument being made. You've just made something up out of the blue. What is being done to reduce the potential harm of access to weapons compared to driving a car?" no I didn't they are both examples. They both happened and yet nothing was said because a gun was not involved. | |||
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"Is that good? Being desensitised to mass shootings and not even registering the rates of individual domestic deaths? Do you not want to try and improve the status quo? Have you given up? I am just doing my daily routines. Living my life they way i want to. So, no. Don't try. Accept the deaths. An estimated 19,000 people have died from road accidents in the USA so far this year. Why is no one insisting that something be done? Really bad example. The industry and legislation have been introduced year on year on year to reduce road deaths. Seatbelts, airbags, ABS breaking, crumple zones. The introduction of the the MOT (in the UK) and drink driving laws. Driver assistance systems with sensors, cameras, automatic breaking lane keeping. What has been done on the same period to reduce fun deaths? In fact why is legislation being loosened? You have dismissed the analogy by ignoring the deaths that could be avoided by removing he source of the problem. What are you talking about? In the case of cars, something, many things even, are being done to mitigate the risk of something that is considered important and essential. What is being done to mitigate the risk of gun deaths? Sorry for the deletes.. Regardless of improvements a car in the control of a person kills many innocent people daily all over the world. A pile up can have mass deaths and yet it is accepted. Are you picking and choosing what is acceptable? A crash in a car isn't A DUI isn't either. The person who ran over a bunch of people in Texas caused the same carnage and that is acceptable. No, it is not "acceptable". It's not an argument being made. You've just made something up out of the blue. What is being done to reduce the potential harm of access to weapons compared to driving a car?" You challenged Blu on her remarks about gun crime and becoming desensitised. You are now missing this point by a country mile! The poster that brought this up said we have become desensitised to the deaths caused by reckless driving in cars, those deaths run into the thousands globally. You rubbished the comparison, proving the point beautifully. | |||
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