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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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Are teachers on the same planet??
Wanting a pay raise, “ 50 day’s holiday per year” what other profession gets that.
Now not wanting to have Ofsted inspect schools. |
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By *otMe66Man
over a year ago
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Teachers are underpinning the nations future and we need excellent educators.
If they are not paying enough to attract the people who can deliver excellent education I would support their request for a pay rise.
Holidays are contractual and in line with the time students take as leave. This should help secure those excellent educators.
Ofsted, It seems as though schools are not happy with the current system and the death of a teacher as become a trigger point for debate. It sometimes takes an awful event to promote change for the better. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"The irony of the Op..
Gross ignorance and typical banal clichés with no knowledge of the actual issue ..
Go and educate yourself and resubmit eh.."
I have worked in a school, so I know exactly how the education works. I find your remarks dangerous, Ofsted need to investigate/inspect school as many schools are a toxic working environment.
Are you suggesting schools should NOT be inspected??? |
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The report into the school which had previously been outstanding was in every category bar Management and Leadership 'very good'..
Because one area was deemed to be 'inadequate' then the whole report is classified as that..
Ignoring all the 'very good' and simply saying inadequate is not a true and accurate reflection of that school..
One word in itself not reflective of the school and the work the staff and pupils are doing is cruel in this instance where a more concise report and support for the area of concern has to be a better system which head teachers have been asking for years..
DfE are not listening, government are not funding education in the public sector fairly as was evidenced once again over COVID ..
There's been more than one other headteacher who has sadly taken the same course over how Ofsted's inspections take place..
It shouldn't take people taking their own lives to highlight there are issues that need addressing..
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"The irony of the Op..
Gross ignorance and typical banal clichés with no knowledge of the actual issue ..
Go and educate yourself and resubmit eh..
I have worked in a school, so I know exactly how the education works. I find your remarks dangerous, Ofsted need to investigate/inspect school as many schools are a toxic working environment.
Are you suggesting schools should NOT be inspected???"
Your not a teacher I would wager going by your op? |
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"The report into the school which had previously been outstanding was in every category bar Management and Leadership 'very good'..
Because one area was deemed to be 'inadequate' then the whole report is classified as that..
Ignoring all the 'very good' and simply saying inadequate is not a true and accurate reflection of that school..
One word in itself not reflective of the school and the work the staff and pupils are doing is cruel in this instance where a more concise report and support for the area of concern has to be a better system which head teachers have been asking for years..
DfE are not listening, government are not funding education in the public sector fairly as was evidenced once again over COVID ..
There's been more than one other headteacher who has sadly taken the same course over how Ofsted's inspections take place..
It shouldn't take people taking their own lives to highlight there are issues that need addressing..
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You say 'very good', Sky News say 'good'. Which one is it?
Ofsted say they found gaps in the schools 'safeguarding policy', so yes, imo, if the safeguarding of our children is inadequate then I fully expect the school to be rayed inadequate.
Safeguarding overrides everything else imo. |
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By *irldnCouple
over a year ago
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"Are teachers on the same planet??
Wanting a pay raise, “ 50 day’s holiday per year” what other profession gets that.
Now not wanting to have Ofsted inspect schools. "
Did you know you have started two exact same threads? |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"The irony of the Op..
Gross ignorance and typical banal clichés with no knowledge of the actual issue ..
Go and educate yourself and resubmit eh..
I have worked in a school, so I know exactly how the education works. I find your remarks dangerous, Ofsted need to investigate/inspect school as many schools are a toxic working environment.
Are you suggesting schools should NOT be inspected???
Your not a teacher I would wager going by your op?"
What an arrogant person you are!
If a teachers cannot handle the pressure of being inspected they need to find another job, the school I worked in was not personally inspected by ofsted for over 10years, only inspected by an external regulator.
Again are you saying Education facilities should Not be inspected??? |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"The report into the school which had previously been outstanding was in every category bar Management and Leadership 'very good'..
Because one area was deemed to be 'inadequate' then the whole report is classified as that..
Ignoring all the 'very good' and simply saying inadequate is not a true and accurate reflection of that school..
One word in itself not reflective of the school and the work the staff and pupils are doing is cruel in this instance where a more concise report and support for the area of concern has to be a better system which head teachers have been asking for years..
DfE are not listening, government are not funding education in the public sector fairly as was evidenced once again over COVID ..
There's been more than one other headteacher who has sadly taken the same course over how Ofsted's inspections take place..
It shouldn't take people taking their own lives to highlight there are issues that need addressing..
You say 'very good', Sky News say 'good'. Which one is it?
Ofsted say they found gaps in the schools 'safeguarding policy', so yes, imo, if the safeguarding of our children is inadequate then I fully expect the school to be rayed inadequate.
Safeguarding overrides everything else imo."
At last someone with common sense.  |
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"The report into the school which had previously been outstanding was in every category bar Management and Leadership 'very good'..
Because one area was deemed to be 'inadequate' then the whole report is classified as that..
Ignoring all the 'very good' and simply saying inadequate is not a true and accurate reflection of that school..
One word in itself not reflective of the school and the work the staff and pupils are doing is cruel in this instance where a more concise report and support for the area of concern has to be a better system which head teachers have been asking for years..
DfE are not listening, government are not funding education in the public sector fairly as was evidenced once again over COVID ..
There's been more than one other headteacher who has sadly taken the same course over how Ofsted's inspections take place..
It shouldn't take people taking their own lives to highlight there are issues that need addressing..
You say 'very good', Sky News say 'good'. Which one is it?
Ofsted say they found gaps in the schools 'safeguarding policy', so yes, imo, if the safeguarding of our children is inadequate then I fully expect the school to be rayed inadequate.
Safeguarding overrides everything else imo."
I think I read it as very good but it's good so cheers for clarifying that.. 
Safeguarding is massively important of course, the structure and how they report is the issue that's in question by Head teachers and I tend to agree with them.. |
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"The report into the school which had previously been outstanding was in every category bar Management and Leadership 'very good'..
Because one area was deemed to be 'inadequate' then the whole report is classified as that..
Ignoring all the 'very good' and simply saying inadequate is not a true and accurate reflection of that school..
One word in itself not reflective of the school and the work the staff and pupils are doing is cruel in this instance where a more concise report and support for the area of concern has to be a better system which head teachers have been asking for years..
DfE are not listening, government are not funding education in the public sector fairly as was evidenced once again over COVID ..
There's been more than one other headteacher who has sadly taken the same course over how Ofsted's inspections take place..
It shouldn't take people taking their own lives to highlight there are issues that need addressing..
You say 'very good', Sky News say 'good'. Which one is it?
Ofsted say they found gaps in the schools 'safeguarding policy', so yes, imo, if the safeguarding of our children is inadequate then I fully expect the school to be rayed inadequate.
Safeguarding overrides everything else imo."
No one would argue safeguarding isn't important but when ofsted sees a fight and a school is then deemed as having safeguarding issues well that's hard to swallow. I'm in a school of 2000+ pupils, fights happen as much as you try to mitigate against them, they can happen in a second much like with siblings at home. It doesn't mean you're a bad parent. We handle the fights that do happen well we're just "lucky" i guess that ofsted has never seen one!
There are certainly better models than our current one, in Wales for example. In our current system like everything else there's huge inequalities. A school I worked in had a head who was an inspector. His chums did the inspections and guess what? Outstanding every time. I've worked in better schools deemed "good". |
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"The report into the school which had previously been outstanding was in every category bar Management and Leadership 'very good'..
Because one area was deemed to be 'inadequate' then the whole report is classified as that..
Ignoring all the 'very good' and simply saying inadequate is not a true and accurate reflection of that school..
One word in itself not reflective of the school and the work the staff and pupils are doing is cruel in this instance where a more concise report and support for the area of concern has to be a better system which head teachers have been asking for years..
DfE are not listening, government are not funding education in the public sector fairly as was evidenced once again over COVID ..
There's been more than one other headteacher who has sadly taken the same course over how Ofsted's inspections take place..
It shouldn't take people taking their own lives to highlight there are issues that need addressing..
You say 'very good', Sky News say 'good'. Which one is it?
Ofsted say they found gaps in the schools 'safeguarding policy', so yes, imo, if the safeguarding of our children is inadequate then I fully expect the school to be rayed inadequate.
Safeguarding overrides everything else imo.
I think I read it as very good but it's good so cheers for clarifying that..
Safeguarding is massively important of course, the structure and how they report is the issue that's in question by Head teachers and I tend to agree with them.."
What is the structure? And how do they report it?
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"The report into the school which had previously been outstanding was in every category bar Management and Leadership 'very good'..
Because one area was deemed to be 'inadequate' then the whole report is classified as that..
Ignoring all the 'very good' and simply saying inadequate is not a true and accurate reflection of that school..
One word in itself not reflective of the school and the work the staff and pupils are doing is cruel in this instance where a more concise report and support for the area of concern has to be a better system which head teachers have been asking for years..
DfE are not listening, government are not funding education in the public sector fairly as was evidenced once again over COVID ..
There's been more than one other headteacher who has sadly taken the same course over how Ofsted's inspections take place..
It shouldn't take people taking their own lives to highlight there are issues that need addressing..
You say 'very good', Sky News say 'good'. Which one is it?
Ofsted say they found gaps in the schools 'safeguarding policy', so yes, imo, if the safeguarding of our children is inadequate then I fully expect the school to be rayed inadequate.
Safeguarding overrides everything else imo.
No one would argue safeguarding isn't important but when ofsted sees a fight and a school is then deemed as having safeguarding issues well that's hard to swallow. I'm in a school of 2000+ pupils, fights happen as much as you try to mitigate against them, they can happen in a second much like with siblings at home. It doesn't mean you're a bad parent. We handle the fights that do happen well we're just "lucky" i guess that ofsted has never seen one!
There are certainly better models than our current one, in Wales for example. In our current system like everything else there's huge inequalities. A school I worked in had a head who was an inspector. His chums did the inspections and guess what? Outstanding every time. I've worked in better schools deemed "good". "
You're obviously someone with inside knowledge.
Do you genuinely believe Ofsted should've been refused an inspection and that said headteacher shouldn't be reprimanded over it? |
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"The irony of the Op..
Gross ignorance and typical banal clichés with no knowledge of the actual issue ..
Go and educate yourself and resubmit eh..
I have worked in a school, so I know exactly how the education works. I find your remarks dangerous, Ofsted need to investigate/inspect school as many schools are a toxic working environment.
Are you suggesting schools should NOT be inspected???
Your not a teacher I would wager going by your op?
What an arrogant person you are!
If a teachers cannot handle the pressure of being inspected they need to find another job, the school I worked in was not personally inspected by ofsted for over 10years, only inspected by an external regulator.
Again are you saying Education facilities should Not be inspected???"
It's not arrogance to look at something (in this instance your op) and ask a pretty relevant and obvious question based upon that..
Which your deflecting from btw?
So because your school was toxic and not inspected that's what you base your opinion of the whole sector upon?
Your claim about teachers is a baseless, tired cliché trotted out by people with no idea what teachers do..
That to me is banal..
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"The irony of the Op..
Gross ignorance and typical banal clichés with no knowledge of the actual issue ..
Go and educate yourself and resubmit eh..
I have worked in a school, so I know exactly how the education works. I find your remarks dangerous, Ofsted need to investigate/inspect school as many schools are a toxic working environment.
Are you suggesting schools should NOT be inspected???
Your not a teacher I would wager going by your op?
What an arrogant person you are!
If a teachers cannot handle the pressure of being inspected they need to find another job, the school I worked in was not personally inspected by ofsted for over 10years, only inspected by an external regulator.
Again are you saying Education facilities should Not be inspected???
It's not arrogance to look at something (in this instance your op) and ask a pretty relevant and obvious question based upon that..
Which your deflecting from btw?
So because your school was toxic and not inspected that's what you base your opinion of the whole sector upon?
Your claim about teachers is a baseless, tired cliché trotted out by people with no idea what teachers do..
That to me is banal..
So what’s your expertise in the world of UK education???
Please enlighten us.
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"The irony of the Op..
Gross ignorance and typical banal clichés with no knowledge of the actual issue ..
Go and educate yourself and resubmit eh..
I have worked in a school, so I know exactly how the education works. I find your remarks dangerous, Ofsted need to investigate/inspect school as many schools are a toxic working environment.
Are you suggesting schools should NOT be inspected???
Your not a teacher I would wager going by your op?
What an arrogant person you are!
If a teachers cannot handle the pressure of being inspected they need to find another job, the school I worked in was not personally inspected by ofsted for over 10years, only inspected by an external regulator.
Again are you saying Education facilities should Not be inspected???
It's not arrogance to look at something (in this instance your op) and ask a pretty relevant and obvious question based upon that..
Which your deflecting from btw?
So because your school was toxic and not inspected that's what you base your opinion of the whole sector upon?
Your claim about teachers is a baseless, tired cliché trotted out by people with no idea what teachers do..
That to me is banal..
So what’s your expertise in the world of UK education???
Please enlighten us.
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More deflection?
Must do better.. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"The irony of the Op..
Gross ignorance and typical banal clichés with no knowledge of the actual issue ..
Go and educate yourself and resubmit eh..
I have worked in a school, so I know exactly how the education works. I find your remarks dangerous, Ofsted need to investigate/inspect school as many schools are a toxic working environment.
Are you suggesting schools should NOT be inspected???
Your not a teacher I would wager going by your op?
What an arrogant person you are!
If a teachers cannot handle the pressure of being inspected they need to find another job, the school I worked in was not personally inspected by ofsted for over 10years, only inspected by an external regulator.
Again are you saying Education facilities should Not be inspected???
It's not arrogance to look at something (in this instance your op) and ask a pretty relevant and obvious question based upon that..
Which your deflecting from btw?
So because your school was toxic and not inspected that's what you base your opinion of the whole sector upon?
Your claim about teachers is a baseless, tired cliché trotted out by people with no idea what teachers do..
That to me is banal..
So what’s your expertise in the world of UK education???
Please enlighten us.
More deflection?
Must do better.."
Now who’s deflecting. What is your expertise in education???
Or are you just another lefty that complains about everything.
I believe the safeguarding of children is paramount. And inadequate schools should be identified. |
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"The irony of the Op..
Gross ignorance and typical banal clichés with no knowledge of the actual issue ..
Go and educate yourself and resubmit eh..
I have worked in a school, so I know exactly how the education works. I find your remarks dangerous, Ofsted need to investigate/inspect school as many schools are a toxic working environment.
Are you suggesting schools should NOT be inspected???
Your not a teacher I would wager going by your op?
What an arrogant person you are!
If a teachers cannot handle the pressure of being inspected they need to find another job, the school I worked in was not personally inspected by ofsted for over 10years, only inspected by an external regulator.
Again are you saying Education facilities should Not be inspected???
It's not arrogance to look at something (in this instance your op) and ask a pretty relevant and obvious question based upon that..
Which your deflecting from btw?
So because your school was toxic and not inspected that's what you base your opinion of the whole sector upon?
Your claim about teachers is a baseless, tired cliché trotted out by people with no idea what teachers do..
That to me is banal..
So what’s your expertise in the world of UK education???
Please enlighten us.
More deflection?
Must do better..
Now who’s deflecting. What is your expertise in education???
Or are you just another lefty that complains about everything.
I believe the safeguarding of children is paramount. And inadequate schools should be identified. "
Like you who has yet to clarify what your work was in schools I have also 'worked' in schools as part of a community engagement partnership primarily around fire safety..
I asked you initially what you did as you've certainly never taught in any capacity given your tired old cliches in your op which you have added to..
Lazy tropes about some of the hardest working, dedicated professionals in the public sector..
Even your claim that teachers don't want to be inspected is false, you've penned your op without actually looking beyond some inaccurate headline designed to trigger the gullible/appeal to your bias against teachers when two minutes might have have given a more balanced perspective..
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"The irony of the Op..
Gross ignorance and typical banal clichés with no knowledge of the actual issue ..
Go and educate yourself and resubmit eh..
I have worked in a school, so I know exactly how the education works. I find your remarks dangerous, Ofsted need to investigate/inspect school as many schools are a toxic working environment.
Are you suggesting schools should NOT be inspected???
Your not a teacher I would wager going by your op?
What an arrogant person you are!
If a teachers cannot handle the pressure of being inspected they need to find another job, the school I worked in was not personally inspected by ofsted for over 10years, only inspected by an external regulator.
Again are you saying Education facilities should Not be inspected???
It's not arrogance to look at something (in this instance your op) and ask a pretty relevant and obvious question based upon that..
Which your deflecting from btw?
So because your school was toxic and not inspected that's what you base your opinion of the whole sector upon?
Your claim about teachers is a baseless, tired cliché trotted out by people with no idea what teachers do..
That to me is banal..
So what’s your expertise in the world of UK education???
Please enlighten us.
More deflection?
Must do better..
Now who’s deflecting. What is your expertise in education???
Or are you just another lefty that complains about everything.
I believe the safeguarding of children is paramount. And inadequate schools should be identified.
Like you who has yet to clarify what your work was in schools I have also 'worked' in schools as part of a community engagement partnership primarily around fire safety..
I asked you initially what you did as you've certainly never taught in any capacity given your tired old cliches in your op which you have added to..
Lazy tropes about some of the hardest working, dedicated professionals in the public sector..
Even your claim that teachers don't want to be inspected is false, you've penned your op without actually looking beyond some inaccurate headline designed to trigger the gullible/appeal to your bias against teachers when two minutes might have have given a more balanced perspective..
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Oh right “schools refuse Ofsted inspection”
four days ago in Telegraph is a lie then . Oh ok your a fire inspector, lol. Is your name Keith Laird by any chance |
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"The irony of the Op..
Gross ignorance and typical banal clichés with no knowledge of the actual issue ..
Go and educate yourself and resubmit eh..
I have worked in a school, so I know exactly how the education works. I find your remarks dangerous, Ofsted need to investigate/inspect school as many schools are a toxic working environment.
Are you suggesting schools should NOT be inspected???
Your not a teacher I would wager going by your op?
What an arrogant person you are!
If a teachers cannot handle the pressure of being inspected they need to find another job, the school I worked in was not personally inspected by ofsted for over 10years, only inspected by an external regulator.
Again are you saying Education facilities should Not be inspected???
It's not arrogance to look at something (in this instance your op) and ask a pretty relevant and obvious question based upon that..
Which your deflecting from btw?
So because your school was toxic and not inspected that's what you base your opinion of the whole sector upon?
Your claim about teachers is a baseless, tired cliché trotted out by people with no idea what teachers do..
That to me is banal..
So what’s your expertise in the world of UK education???
Please enlighten us.
More deflection?
Must do better..
Now who’s deflecting. What is your expertise in education???
Or are you just another lefty that complains about everything.
I believe the safeguarding of children is paramount. And inadequate schools should be identified.
Like you who has yet to clarify what your work was in schools I have also 'worked' in schools as part of a community engagement partnership primarily around fire safety..
I asked you initially what you did as you've certainly never taught in any capacity given your tired old cliches in your op which you have added to..
Lazy tropes about some of the hardest working, dedicated professionals in the public sector..
Even your claim that teachers don't want to be inspected is false, you've penned your op without actually looking beyond some inaccurate headline designed to trigger the gullible/appeal to your bias against teachers when two minutes might have have given a more balanced perspective..
Oh right “schools refuse Ofsted inspection”
four days ago in Telegraph is a lie then . Oh ok your a fire inspector, lol. Is your name Keith Laird by any chance "
She did yes on the Monday but it went ahead on the Tuesday..
It's now Friday so my point about you not taking two minutes is valid.. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"The irony of the Op..
Gross ignorance and typical banal clichés with no knowledge of the actual issue ..
Go and educate yourself and resubmit eh..
I have worked in a school, so I know exactly how the education works. I find your remarks dangerous, Ofsted need to investigate/inspect school as many schools are a toxic working environment.
Are you suggesting schools should NOT be inspected???
Your not a teacher I would wager going by your op?
What an arrogant person you are!
If a teachers cannot handle the pressure of being inspected they need to find another job, the school I worked in was not personally inspected by ofsted for over 10years, only inspected by an external regulator.
Again are you saying Education facilities should Not be inspected???
It's not arrogance to look at something (in this instance your op) and ask a pretty relevant and obvious question based upon that..
Which your deflecting from btw?
So because your school was toxic and not inspected that's what you base your opinion of the whole sector upon?
Your claim about teachers is a baseless, tired cliché trotted out by people with no idea what teachers do..
That to me is banal..
So what’s your expertise in the world of UK education???
Please enlighten us.
More deflection?
Must do better..
Now who’s deflecting. What is your expertise in education???
Or are you just another lefty that complains about everything.
I believe the safeguarding of children is paramount. And inadequate schools should be identified.
Like you who has yet to clarify what your work was in schools I have also 'worked' in schools as part of a community engagement partnership primarily around fire safety..
I asked you initially what you did as you've certainly never taught in any capacity given your tired old cliches in your op which you have added to..
Lazy tropes about some of the hardest working, dedicated professionals in the public sector..
Even your claim that teachers don't want to be inspected is false, you've penned your op without actually looking beyond some inaccurate headline designed to trigger the gullible/appeal to your bias against teachers when two minutes might have have given a more balanced perspective..
Oh right “schools refuse Ofsted inspection”
four days ago in Telegraph is a lie then . Oh ok your a fire inspector, lol. Is your name Keith Laird by any chance
She did yes on the Monday but it went ahead on the Tuesday..
It's now Friday so my point about you not taking two minutes is valid.."
Yer is 4 days from Monday to Friday, very good. Still made a statement about refusing an inspection though didn’t she!. Teachers are not above the law. Imagine a children’s home or a social service department. Making a claim that they will refuse an inspection.
Imagine if you were denied to inspection the fire regulations of a school Keith ??? |
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"The irony of the Op..
Gross ignorance and typical banal clichés with no knowledge of the actual issue ..
Go and educate yourself and resubmit eh..
I have worked in a school, so I know exactly how the education works. I find your remarks dangerous, Ofsted need to investigate/inspect school as many schools are a toxic working environment.
Are you suggesting schools should NOT be inspected???
Your not a teacher I would wager going by your op?
What an arrogant person you are!
If a teachers cannot handle the pressure of being inspected they need to find another job, the school I worked in was not personally inspected by ofsted for over 10years, only inspected by an external regulator.
Again are you saying Education facilities should Not be inspected???
It's not arrogance to look at something (in this instance your op) and ask a pretty relevant and obvious question based upon that..
Which your deflecting from btw?
So because your school was toxic and not inspected that's what you base your opinion of the whole sector upon?
Your claim about teachers is a baseless, tired cliché trotted out by people with no idea what teachers do..
That to me is banal..
So what’s your expertise in the world of UK education???
Please enlighten us.
More deflection?
Must do better..
Now who’s deflecting. What is your expertise in education???
Or are you just another lefty that complains about everything.
I believe the safeguarding of children is paramount. And inadequate schools should be identified.
Like you who has yet to clarify what your work was in schools I have also 'worked' in schools as part of a community engagement partnership primarily around fire safety..
I asked you initially what you did as you've certainly never taught in any capacity given your tired old cliches in your op which you have added to..
Lazy tropes about some of the hardest working, dedicated professionals in the public sector..
Even your claim that teachers don't want to be inspected is false, you've penned your op without actually looking beyond some inaccurate headline designed to trigger the gullible/appeal to your bias against teachers when two minutes might have have given a more balanced perspective..
Oh right “schools refuse Ofsted inspection”
four days ago in Telegraph is a lie then . Oh ok your a fire inspector, lol. Is your name Keith Laird by any chance
She did yes on the Monday but it went ahead on the Tuesday..
It's now Friday so my point about you not taking two minutes is valid..
Yer is 4 days from Monday to Friday, very good. Still made a statement about refusing an inspection though didn’t she!. Teachers are not above the law. Imagine a children’s home or a social service department. Making a claim that they will refuse an inspection.
Imagine if you were denied to inspection the fire regulations of a school Keith ???"
Thanks for eventually clarifying you didn't know what you were talking about in your op..
Imagine whataboutery is just another example of an argument that has so many flaws, it's use only serves to pretty much invalidate it..
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"The irony of the Op..
Gross ignorance and typical banal clichés with no knowledge of the actual issue ..
Go and educate yourself and resubmit eh..
I have worked in a school, so I know exactly how the education works. I find your remarks dangerous, Ofsted need to investigate/inspect school as many schools are a toxic working environment.
Are you suggesting schools should NOT be inspected???
Your not a teacher I would wager going by your op?
What an arrogant person you are!
If a teachers cannot handle the pressure of being inspected they need to find another job, the school I worked in was not personally inspected by ofsted for over 10years, only inspected by an external regulator.
Again are you saying Education facilities should Not be inspected???
It's not arrogance to look at something (in this instance your op) and ask a pretty relevant and obvious question based upon that..
Which your deflecting from btw?
So because your school was toxic and not inspected that's what you base your opinion of the whole sector upon?
Your claim about teachers is a baseless, tired cliché trotted out by people with no idea what teachers do..
That to me is banal..
So what’s your expertise in the world of UK education???
Please enlighten us.
More deflection?
Must do better..
Now who’s deflecting. What is your expertise in education???
Or are you just another lefty that complains about everything.
I believe the safeguarding of children is paramount. And inadequate schools should be identified.
Like you who has yet to clarify what your work was in schools I have also 'worked' in schools as part of a community engagement partnership primarily around fire safety..
I asked you initially what you did as you've certainly never taught in any capacity given your tired old cliches in your op which you have added to..
Lazy tropes about some of the hardest working, dedicated professionals in the public sector..
Even your claim that teachers don't want to be inspected is false, you've penned your op without actually looking beyond some inaccurate headline designed to trigger the gullible/appeal to your bias against teachers when two minutes might have have given a more balanced perspective..
Oh right “schools refuse Ofsted inspection”
four days ago in Telegraph is a lie then . Oh ok your a fire inspector, lol. Is your name Keith Laird by any chance
She did yes on the Monday but it went ahead on the Tuesday..
It's now Friday so my point about you not taking two minutes is valid..
Yer is 4 days from Monday to Friday, very good. Still made a statement about refusing an inspection though didn’t she!. Teachers are not above the law. Imagine a children’s home or a social service department. Making a claim that they will refuse an inspection.
Imagine if you were denied to inspection the fire regulations of a school Keith ???
Thanks for eventually clarifying you didn't know what you were talking about in your op..
Imagine whataboutery is just another example of an argument that has so many flaws, it's use only serves to pretty much invalidate it..
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Cheers Keith.
Have a good weekend.
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"The irony of the Op..
Gross ignorance and typical banal clichés with no knowledge of the actual issue ..
Go and educate yourself and resubmit eh..
I have worked in a school, so I know exactly how the education works. I find your remarks dangerous, Ofsted need to investigate/inspect school as many schools are a toxic working environment.
Are you suggesting schools should NOT be inspected???
Your not a teacher I would wager going by your op?
What an arrogant person you are!
If a teachers cannot handle the pressure of being inspected they need to find another job, the school I worked in was not personally inspected by ofsted for over 10years, only inspected by an external regulator.
Again are you saying Education facilities should Not be inspected???
It's not arrogance to look at something (in this instance your op) and ask a pretty relevant and obvious question based upon that..
Which your deflecting from btw?
So because your school was toxic and not inspected that's what you base your opinion of the whole sector upon?
Your claim about teachers is a baseless, tired cliché trotted out by people with no idea what teachers do..
That to me is banal..
So what’s your expertise in the world of UK education???
Please enlighten us.
More deflection?
Must do better..
Now who’s deflecting. What is your expertise in education???
Or are you just another lefty that complains about everything.
I believe the safeguarding of children is paramount. And inadequate schools should be identified.
Like you who has yet to clarify what your work was in schools I have also 'worked' in schools as part of a community engagement partnership primarily around fire safety..
I asked you initially what you did as you've certainly never taught in any capacity given your tired old cliches in your op which you have added to..
Lazy tropes about some of the hardest working, dedicated professionals in the public sector..
Even your claim that teachers don't want to be inspected is false, you've penned your op without actually looking beyond some inaccurate headline designed to trigger the gullible/appeal to your bias against teachers when two minutes might have have given a more balanced perspective..
Oh right “schools refuse Ofsted inspection”
four days ago in Telegraph is a lie then . Oh ok your a fire inspector, lol. Is your name Keith Laird by any chance
She did yes on the Monday but it went ahead on the Tuesday..
It's now Friday so my point about you not taking two minutes is valid..
Yer is 4 days from Monday to Friday, very good. Still made a statement about refusing an inspection though didn’t she!. Teachers are not above the law. Imagine a children’s home or a social service department. Making a claim that they will refuse an inspection.
Imagine if you were denied to inspection the fire regulations of a school Keith ???
Thanks for eventually clarifying you didn't know what you were talking about in your op..
Imagine whataboutery is just another example of an argument that has so many flaws, it's use only serves to pretty much invalidate it..
Cheers Keith.
Have a good weekend.
Ps keep away from from dogs "
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"The report into the school which had previously been outstanding was in every category bar Management and Leadership 'very good'..
Because one area was deemed to be 'inadequate' then the whole report is classified as that..
Ignoring all the 'very good' and simply saying inadequate is not a true and accurate reflection of that school..
One word in itself not reflective of the school and the work the staff and pupils are doing is cruel in this instance where a more concise report and support for the area of concern has to be a better system which head teachers have been asking for years..
DfE are not listening, government are not funding education in the public sector fairly as was evidenced once again over COVID ..
There's been more than one other headteacher who has sadly taken the same course over how Ofsted's inspections take place..
It shouldn't take people taking their own lives to highlight there are issues that need addressing..
You say 'very good', Sky News say 'good'. Which one is it?
Ofsted say they found gaps in the schools 'safeguarding policy', so yes, imo, if the safeguarding of our children is inadequate then I fully expect the school to be rayed inadequate.
Safeguarding overrides everything else imo."
Yes the Ofsted report found the school in question to be good in every category expect leadership and management. The massive safeguarding concern was they failing in employment checks. ????
So no DPS checks to see if the schools employees are not Gary Glitters of this world!. Unbelievable and incompetent. |
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"The report into the school which had previously been outstanding was in every category bar Management and Leadership 'very good'..
Because one area was deemed to be 'inadequate' then the whole report is classified as that..
Ignoring all the 'very good' and simply saying inadequate is not a true and accurate reflection of that school..
One word in itself not reflective of the school and the work the staff and pupils are doing is cruel in this instance where a more concise report and support for the area of concern has to be a better system which head teachers have been asking for years..
DfE are not listening, government are not funding education in the public sector fairly as was evidenced once again over COVID ..
There's been more than one other headteacher who has sadly taken the same course over how Ofsted's inspections take place..
It shouldn't take people taking their own lives to highlight there are issues that need addressing..
You say 'very good', Sky News say 'good'. Which one is it?
Ofsted say they found gaps in the schools 'safeguarding policy', so yes, imo, if the safeguarding of our children is inadequate then I fully expect the school to be rayed inadequate.
Safeguarding overrides everything else imo.
Yes the Ofsted report found the school in question to be good in every category expect leadership and management. The massive safeguarding concern was they failing in employment checks. ????
So no DPS checks to see if the schools employees are not Gary Glitters of this world!. Unbelievable and incompetent. "
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"Why did the head have to keep the OFSTED rating secret for 54 days before she could share the news with her staff ?"
School management are not allowed to discuss any results or findings, even with staff, before the official release of the finalised report. There can be some negotiations and discussion around any issues before the report is issued.  |
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over a year ago
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Have worked in education for 30 years.
I’m not against good inspection of an institution. However, having seen the process at first hand many times, someone definitely needs to properly inspect some of the inspectors  |
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There really must have been other issues with the lady that took her own life. I can't believe it was just the ousted report.
It may have been the straw that broke the camels back. But I really find it hard to believe it was the main reason. |
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"If you don't like the heat get out the kitchen.
That said with budget constraints oh a head is that taken in to consideration?
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Exactly what is happening. Nice theory but what happens when there are no teachers? |
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By *9alMan
over a year ago
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"There really must have been other issues with the lady that took her own life. I can't believe it was just the ousted report.
It may have been the straw that broke the camels back. But I really find it hard to believe it was the main reason. "
I worked at a college a few years back & staff did get very stressed about ofstead some had a special lesson plan they slipped in when inspected so it looked like they were doing good work |
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"Are teachers on the same planet??
Wanting a pay raise, “ 50 day’s holiday per year” what other profession gets that.
Now not wanting to have Ofsted inspect schools. "
I find your ignorance baffling.
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"If you don't like the heat get out the kitchen.
That said with budget constraints oh a head is that taken in to consideration?
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Thanks for your considered and insightful comment into something I trained hard for and practised for many years.
Oh, and I didn't like it, and I did get out. |
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"If you don't like the heat get out the kitchen.
That said with budget constraints oh a head is that taken in to consideration?
Exactly what is happening. Nice theory but what happens when there are no teachers? "
close schools or pay better wages for people that can do a better job.
Teachers don't get the respect form parent that they did when I was at school. And I don't think funding is where it should be. Don't know the stats but I bet its less per head now then it was in 1980 considering schools now look after the buildings as well. |
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"If you don't like the heat get out the kitchen.
That said with budget constraints oh a head is that taken in to consideration?
Thanks for your considered and insightful comment into something I trained hard for and practised for many years.
Oh, and I didn't like it, and I did get out. "
Is it any different to a nurse going through re validation, or an electrician getting assessed by there governing body every year.
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"If you don't like the heat get out the kitchen.
That said with budget constraints oh a head is that taken in to consideration?
Thanks for your considered and insightful comment into something I trained hard for and practised for many years.
Oh, and I didn't like it, and I did get out.
Is it any different to a nurse going through re validation, or an electrician getting assessed by there governing body every year.
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it is different, I have tests on using machinery etc every so often but I don't have a child with ADHD disrupting the lesson & making me look like an idiot |
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As a parent, when I chose the schools for my kids, I looked at attainment levels, location, feeder schools and other parents comments. I couldn't give a shit what OFSTED think, and I think that's quite a common view.
They're not fit for purpose, never have been and never will be. |
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"The irony of the Op..
Gross ignorance and typical banal clichés with no knowledge of the actual issue ..
Go and educate yourself and resubmit eh..
I have worked in a school, so I know exactly how the education works. I find your remarks dangerous, Ofsted need to investigate/inspect school as many schools are a toxic working environment.
Are you suggesting schools should NOT be inspected???"
It is Ofsted that drives such toxic working environments. |
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