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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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Where pacifists and far right wing extremists agree. Albeit for different motives.
You can see how this all plays into Putins hands.
You wouldn’t see these types of demonstrations in Moscow. They would be suppressed.
In the UK you got Corbyn who is anti-war. Even his old supporters like McDonnell are saying we should be arming Ukrainians against Putin.
Pacifist would want you capitulate automatically.
And far right extremists would negotiate to have support from the enemy to overthrow our legitimate governments.
As far as I see it’s stupidity and traitorous intent mixing.
peace will only be achieved if Putin withdraws his forces for Ukraine and stops interfering in the domestic affairs of it neighbours.
And I don’t think asking him in his current mental state is going to make it happen. So we should support every effort ensure Ukraine can defend herself against her Russian aggressors.
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By (user no longer on site)
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So you are essentially parroting the message of our state to vilify those with different opinions? Duck speak is what Orwell called it, to parrot the party line without thinking. |
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Just to add, we don't win people over to supporting Ukraine by parroting state propaganda. There are better far more effective ways to explain why it is in all our interests to support Ukraine. |
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By *oo hotCouple
over a year ago
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"Where pacifists and far right wing extremists agree. Albeit for different motives.
You can see how this all plays into Putins hands.
You wouldn’t see these types of demonstrations in Moscow. They would be suppressed.
In the UK you got Corbyn who is anti-war. Even his old supporters like McDonnell are saying we should be arming Ukrainians against Putin.
Pacifist would want you capitulate automatically.
And far right extremists would negotiate to have support from the enemy to overthrow our legitimate governments.
As far as I see it’s stupidity and traitorous intent mixing.
peace will only be achieved if Putin withdraws his forces for Ukraine and stops interfering in the domestic affairs of it neighbours.
And I don’t think asking him in his current mental state is going to make it happen. So we should support every effort ensure Ukraine can defend herself against her Russian aggressors.
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I agree, but there has to come a point when the talking starts. At the moment I feel that Putin believes that one last massive push would see Russia take over a large part of Eastern Ukraine and possibly he may then look to talk.
On the other hand, I think that Ukraine think that they can isolate, starve and ultimately retake Crimea and so they too are not ready to talk just yet.
The time will come though when the talking has to start and sick as it sounds, Russia will have to be given a dignified exit. History has taught us all around the world that when a loser is humiliated in defeat, the consequences can be even worse a little further down the line. |
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