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"I can't see the Tories winning the next election, but it comes down to trust in the opposition. Do you trust Labour?" I trust them more than the tories  | |||
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"I can't see the Tories winning the next election, but it comes down to trust in the opposition. Do you trust Labour?" Trust them with what or to do/not do what? | |||
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"I can't see the Tories winning the next election, but it comes down to trust in the opposition. Do you trust Labour?" No, they are politicians. I don't trust any of them (from any party) to do anything that is not self-serving. | |||
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"I can't see the Tories winning the next election, but it comes down to trust in the opposition. Do you trust Labour? No, they are politicians. I don't trust any of them (from any party) to do anything that is not self-serving." | |||
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"I can't see the Tories winning the next election, but it comes down to trust in the opposition. Do you trust Labour? No, they are politicians. I don't trust any of them (from any party) to do anything that is not self-serving." | |||
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"I can't see the Tories winning the next election, but it comes down to trust in the opposition. Do you trust Labour? No, they are politicians. I don't trust any of them (from any party) to do anything that is not self-serving." Is this where you provide 650 examples of MP's being self-serving? Or is it just a broad brush way of saying 'I don't agree with things that are done'? | |||
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"No, I don't trust Labour. Starmer’s team is a weak Blairite tribute act and Starmer himself is a rather empty vessel. He twice tried to get Corbyn elected and now prefers you forget this. Starmer is as convincing as anyone when talking about the problems of the nation and how much he wants to put them right. But, when he talks about what a Labour government would actually do, he sounds like he is still in the dark, clutching at any passing bandwagon. He's 20 years older than Rishi who's now making tremendous progress on the the protocol, halving inflation, maintaining record employment etc. We need this kind of energy, a man approaching 61 should be putting his feet up, not putting the boot in on Corbyn. As much as I dislike Jezza, Starmer's banning of a true leftist is alarming. How can you trust Starmer when he was giving Jezza full throated support pre-Covid? "How can you trust Sunak when he was giving Boris full throated support before he knifed him in the back | |||
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"No, I don't trust Labour. Starmer’s team is a weak Blairite tribute act and Starmer himself is a rather empty vessel. He twice tried to get Corbyn elected and now prefers you forget this. Starmer is as convincing as anyone when talking about the problems of the nation and how much he wants to put them right. But, when he talks about what a Labour government would actually do, he sounds like he is still in the dark, clutching at any passing bandwagon. He's 20 years older than Rishi who's now making tremendous progress on the the protocol, halving inflation, maintaining record employment etc. We need this kind of energy, a man approaching 61 should be putting his feet up, not putting the boot in on Corbyn. As much as I dislike Jezza, Starmer's banning of a true leftist is alarming. How can you trust Starmer when he was giving Jezza full throated support pre-Covid?
How can you trust Sunak when he was giving Boris full throated support before he knifed him in the back "Why are you using the thumbs-up symbol like a full stop or question mark? Rishi has not ditched Johnson's policies on anything like the scale Starmer has with Corbyn. Neither has he banned him from the party. He's providing grown-up leadership. That must be true because you said so elsewhere on here! | |||
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"No, I don't trust Labour. Starmer’s team is a weak Blairite tribute act and Starmer himself is a rather empty vessel. He twice tried to get Corbyn elected and now prefers you forget this. Starmer is as convincing as anyone when talking about the problems of the nation and how much he wants to put them right. But, when he talks about what a Labour government would actually do, he sounds like he is still in the dark, clutching at any passing bandwagon. He's 20 years older than Rishi who's now making tremendous progress on the the protocol, halving inflation, maintaining record employment etc. We need this kind of energy, a man approaching 61 should be putting his feet up, not putting the boot in on Corbyn. As much as I dislike Jezza, Starmer's banning of a true leftist is alarming. How can you trust Starmer when he was giving Jezza full throated support pre-Covid?
How can you trust Sunak when he was giving Boris full throated support before he knifed him in the back
Why are you using the thumbs-up symbol like a full stop or question mark?
Rishi has not ditched Johnson's policies on anything like the scale Starmer has with Corbyn. Neither has he banned him from the party. He's providing grown-up leadership. That must be true because
you said so elsewhere on here! "How can you trust a man who gave full throated support to Boris then knifed him in the back | |||
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"I don't accept that he did what you say. Extremely dangerous, insensitive and irresponsible to talk about weapons in this way, especially after Warrington down the road from us. " Pardon | |||
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"Granted, but please refrain from references to bladed weapons in future "Knifed him in the back , phrase. If you say that someone has stabbed you in the back, you mean that they have done something very harmful to you when you thought that you could trust them. | |||
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"Granted, but please refrain from references to bladed weapons in future
Knifed him in the back ,
phrase. If you say that someone has stabbed you in the back, you mean that they have done something very harmful to you when you thought that you could trust them.
"After what happened to David Amess, I think this is very, very bad taste, dangerous even. I find it distasteful. I’ll let others be the judge of how it comes across. | |||
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"What do we mean by trust? We all have different views of what is in the countries interests. That's not really a trust thing tho. There's a trust that they will try and deliver what they have promised and not pivot once on power. I generally trust parties on both sides to do that (the exception is current HMG). Then there's trust the leadership to make good, or at least considered decisions. Imo yes for all PMs up to (but not including) boris. Maybe not May but here situation was unusual. Not BJ, truss, or sunak. Yes to starmer. No to cobyn (imo not anti Semitic bit of not deal with the issue and possibly put party before what is right) Finally there's trust the individuals. Normally, probably about equal. This HMG are a level below. " Trust in politics is relative , do you 100% trust the Labour Party? No Do I trust them more than I trust the Tory party ? Yes | |||
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"Granted, but please refrain from references to bladed weapons in future
Knifed him in the back ,
phrase. If you say that someone has stabbed you in the back, you mean that they have done something very harmful to you when you thought that you could trust them.
After what happened to David Amess, I think this is very, very bad taste, dangerous even. I find it distasteful.
I’ll let others be the judge of how it comes across. "Deflection. If you say that someone has stabbed you in the back, you mean that they have done something very harmful to you when you thought that you could trust them. Anyway, how can you trust Sunak who was chancellor and now PM of a party who is in charge when Inflation is at a 40 year high Living standards are at a 40 year low | |||
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"Granted, but please refrain from references to bladed weapons in future
Knifed him in the back ,
phrase. If you say that someone has stabbed you in the back, you mean that they have done something very harmful to you when you thought that you could trust them.
After what happened to David Amess, I think this is very, very bad taste, dangerous even. I find it distasteful.
I’ll let others be the judge of how it comes across. "Why are you virtual signalling ? | |||
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"Granted, but please refrain from references to bladed weapons in future
Knifed him in the back ,
phrase. If you say that someone has stabbed you in the back, you mean that they have done something very harmful to you when you thought that you could trust them.
After what happened to David Amess, I think this is very, very bad taste, dangerous even. I find it distasteful.
I’ll let others be the judge of how it comes across.
Why are you virtual signalling ? "If that was a deliberate typo then it makes a great pun  | |||
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"No, I don't trust Labour. Starmer’s team is a weak Blairite tribute act and Starmer himself is a rather empty vessel. He twice tried to get Corbyn elected and now prefers you forget this. Starmer is as convincing as anyone when talking about the problems of the nation and how much he wants to put them right. But, when he talks about what a Labour government would actually do, he sounds like he is still in the dark, clutching at any passing bandwagon. He's 20 years older than Rishi who's now making tremendous progress on the the protocol, halving inflation, maintaining record employment etc. We need this kind of energy, a man approaching 61 should be putting his feet up, not putting the boot in on Corbyn. As much as I dislike Jezza, Starmer's banning of a true leftist is alarming. How can you trust Starmer when he was giving Jezza full throated support pre-Covid? "Cheshire what has Sunak done precisely that is “halving inflation”? Apart from that not being true, I am keen to understand what actions he has taken? | |||
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"I can't see the Tories winning the next election, but it comes down to trust in the opposition. Do you trust Labour?" I can't see the Tories winning the next GE either but when it comes to Labour I would say 'hope' is the word I would use. I hope they will be better and hope they make a good job of running the country. I won't actually trust them until they have demonstrated that they can do those things. | |||
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"Granted, but please refrain from references to bladed weapons in future
Knifed him in the back ,
phrase. If you say that someone has stabbed you in the back, you mean that they have done something very harmful to you when you thought that you could trust them.
After what happened to David Amess, I think this is very, very bad taste, dangerous even. I find it distasteful.
I’ll let others be the judge of how it comes across.
Why are you virtual signalling ?
If that was a deliberate typo then it makes a great pun " | |||
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"No, I don't trust Labour. Starmer’s team is a weak Blairite tribute act and Starmer himself is a rather empty vessel. He twice tried to get Corbyn elected and now prefers you forget this. Starmer is as convincing as anyone when talking about the problems of the nation and how much he wants to put them right. But, when he talks about what a Labour government would actually do, he sounds like he is still in the dark, clutching at any passing bandwagon. He's 20 years older than Rishi who's now making tremendous progress on the the protocol, halving inflation, maintaining record employment etc. We need this kind of energy, a man approaching 61 should be putting his feet up, not putting the boot in on Corbyn. As much as I dislike Jezza, Starmer's banning of a true leftist is alarming. How can you trust Starmer when he was giving Jezza full throated support pre-Covid?
Cheshire what has Sunak done precisely that is “halving inflation”? Apart from that not being true, I am keen to understand what actions he has taken?"It's about having a responsible economic policy when it comes to things like pay, when it comes to areas like borrowing....
Starmer would stoke inflation agreeing to all manner of absurd pay demands from his union paymasters | |||
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"No, I don't trust Labour. Starmer’s team is a weak Blairite tribute act and Starmer himself is a rather empty vessel. He twice tried to get Corbyn elected and now prefers you forget this. Starmer is as convincing as anyone when talking about the problems of the nation and how much he wants to put them right. But, when he talks about what a Labour government would actually do, he sounds like he is still in the dark, clutching at any passing bandwagon. He's 20 years older than Rishi who's now making tremendous progress on the the protocol, halving inflation, maintaining record employment etc. We need this kind of energy, a man approaching 61 should be putting his feet up, not putting the boot in on Corbyn. As much as I dislike Jezza, Starmer's banning of a true leftist is alarming. How can you trust Starmer when he was giving Jezza full throated support pre-Covid?
Cheshire what has Sunak done precisely that is “halving inflation”? Apart from that not being true, I am keen to understand what actions he has taken?
It's about having a responsible economic policy when it comes to things like pay, when it comes to areas like borrowing....
Starmer would stoke inflation agreeing to all manner of absurd pay demands from his union paymasters "That would be the unions that aren't affiliated to the Labour Party would it? Genuine question, do you think Trade Union money in politics is more or less transparent than a/ money from businesses b/ money from private individuals? | |||
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"No, I don't trust Labour. Starmer’s team is a weak Blairite tribute act and Starmer himself is a rather empty vessel. He twice tried to get Corbyn elected and now prefers you forget this. Starmer is as convincing as anyone when talking about the problems of the nation and how much he wants to put them right. But, when he talks about what a Labour government would actually do, he sounds like he is still in the dark, clutching at any passing bandwagon. He's 20 years older than Rishi who's now making tremendous progress on the the protocol, halving inflation, maintaining record employment etc. We need this kind of energy, a man approaching 61 should be putting his feet up, not putting the boot in on Corbyn. As much as I dislike Jezza, Starmer's banning of a true leftist is alarming. How can you trust Starmer when he was giving Jezza full throated support pre-Covid?
Cheshire what has Sunak done precisely that is “halving inflation”? Apart from that not being true, I am keen to understand what actions he has taken?
It's about having a responsible economic policy when it comes to things like pay, when it comes to areas like borrowing....
Starmer would stoke inflation agreeing to all manner of absurd pay demands from his union paymasters
That would be the unions that aren't affiliated to the Labour Party would it?
Genuine question, do you think Trade Union money in politics is more or less transparent than a/ money from businesses b/ money from private individuals? "They can both be problematic. Bernie Eccleston gave Labour £1m to exempt motor racing from the tobacco advertising ban, so with Labour you risk getting it both ways. At least with the Tories, there's very little risk of them taking money from the union barons | |||
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"No, I don't trust Labour. Starmer’s team is a weak Blairite tribute act and Starmer himself is a rather empty vessel. He twice tried to get Corbyn elected and now prefers you forget this. Starmer is as convincing as anyone when talking about the problems of the nation and how much he wants to put them right. But, when he talks about what a Labour government would actually do, he sounds like he is still in the dark, clutching at any passing bandwagon. He's 20 years older than Rishi who's now making tremendous progress on the the protocol, halving inflation, maintaining record employment etc. We need this kind of energy, a man approaching 61 should be putting his feet up, not putting the boot in on Corbyn. As much as I dislike Jezza, Starmer's banning of a true leftist is alarming. How can you trust Starmer when he was giving Jezza full throated support pre-Covid?
Cheshire what has Sunak done precisely that is “halving inflation”? Apart from that not being true, I am keen to understand what actions he has taken?
It's about having a responsible economic policy when it comes to things like pay, when it comes to areas like borrowing....
Starmer would stoke inflation agreeing to all manner of absurd pay demands from his union paymasters
That would be the unions that aren't affiliated to the Labour Party would it?
Genuine question, do you think Trade Union money in politics is more or less transparent than a/ money from businesses b/ money from private individuals?
They can both be problematic. Bernie Eccleston gave Labour £1m to exempt motor racing from the tobacco advertising ban, so with Labour you risk getting it both ways. At least with the Tories, there's very little risk of them taking money from the union barons "So you can't answer then essentially. I'll tell you, trade union funding in politics is more scrutinised than any other funding and hence is 100% transparent. So, a hypothetical union representing all, say teachers, giving money to the Labour Party to push for policies that benefit all teachers (not just union members) you see as equally bad as say, businesses with financial links to the governing party receiving government contracts? Really? | |||
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"No, I don't trust Labour. Starmer’s team is a weak Blairite tribute act and Starmer himself is a rather empty vessel. He twice tried to get Corbyn elected and now prefers you forget this. Starmer is as convincing as anyone when talking about the problems of the nation and how much he wants to put them right. But, when he talks about what a Labour government would actually do, he sounds like he is still in the dark, clutching at any passing bandwagon. He's 20 years older than Rishi who's now making tremendous progress on the the protocol, halving inflation, maintaining record employment etc. We need this kind of energy, a man approaching 61 should be putting his feet up, not putting the boot in on Corbyn. As much as I dislike Jezza, Starmer's banning of a true leftist is alarming. How can you trust Starmer when he was giving Jezza full throated support pre-Covid?
Cheshire what has Sunak done precisely that is “halving inflation”? Apart from that not being true, I am keen to understand what actions he has taken?
It's about having a responsible economic policy when it comes to things like pay, when it comes to areas like borrowing....
Starmer would stoke inflation agreeing to all manner of absurd pay demands from his union paymasters "Would he though? Many Labour supporters say he is a Red Tory / Blue Labour. Is that what Blair did? | |||
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"I can't see the Tories winning the next election, but it comes down to trust in the opposition. Do you trust Labour?" I don’t trust Starmer. Bring back Corbyn | |||
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"I can't see the Tories winning the next election, but it comes down to trust in the opposition. Do you trust Labour? I can't see the Tories winning the next GE either but when it comes to Labour I would say 'hope' is the word I would use. I hope they will be better and hope they make a good job of running the country. I won't actually trust them until they have demonstrated that they can do those things." Starmer will be viewed in a positive way by other politicians across the globe. The EU will see a rational leader willing to negotiate like an adult rather than one throwing toys out of the pram. That gives me hope that the country can move forward. | |||
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"I don’t trust any of them to be honest across the entire board. Starmer is a slippery operator. " You really don't have a clue other than what you have been told by the media... | |||
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"No, I don't trust Labour. Starmer’s team is a weak Blairite tribute act and Starmer himself is a rather empty vessel. He twice tried to get Corbyn elected and now prefers you forget this. Starmer is as convincing as anyone when talking about the problems of the nation and how much he wants to put them right. But, when he talks about what a Labour government would actually do, he sounds like he is still in the dark, clutching at any passing bandwagon. He's 20 years older than Rishi who's now making tremendous progress on the the protocol, halving inflation, maintaining record employment etc. We need this kind of energy, a man approaching 61 should be putting his feet up, not putting the boot in on Corbyn. As much as I dislike Jezza, Starmer's banning of a true leftist is alarming. How can you trust Starmer when he was giving Jezza full throated support pre-Covid?
Cheshire what has Sunak done precisely that is “halving inflation”? Apart from that not being true, I am keen to understand what actions he has taken?
It's about having a responsible economic policy when it comes to things like pay, when it comes to areas like borrowing....
Starmer would stoke inflation agreeing to all manner of absurd pay demands from his union paymasters
Would he though? Many Labour supporters say he is a Red Tory / Blue Labour. Is that what Blair did?"I see him as Blue Labour. Just my kind tbh. Or I'd take a Red Tory. Either way we need to get back to middle ground | |||
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"No, I don't trust Labour. Starmer’s team is a weak Blairite tribute act and Starmer himself is a rather empty vessel. He twice tried to get Corbyn elected and now prefers you forget this. Starmer is as convincing as anyone when talking about the problems of the nation and how much he wants to put them right. But, when he talks about what a Labour government would actually do, he sounds like he is still in the dark, clutching at any passing bandwagon. He's 20 years older than Rishi who's now making tremendous progress on the the protocol, halving inflation, maintaining record employment etc. We need this kind of energy, a man approaching 61 should be putting his feet up, not putting the boot in on Corbyn. As much as I dislike Jezza, Starmer's banning of a true leftist is alarming. How can you trust Starmer when he was giving Jezza full throated support pre-Covid?
Cheshire what has Sunak done precisely that is “halving inflation”? Apart from that not being true, I am keen to understand what actions he has taken?
It's about having a responsible economic policy when it comes to things like pay, when it comes to areas like borrowing....
Starmer would stoke inflation agreeing to all manner of absurd pay demands from his union paymasters
That would be the unions that aren't affiliated to the Labour Party would it?
Genuine question, do you think Trade Union money in politics is more or less transparent than a/ money from businesses b/ money from private individuals?
They can both be problematic. Bernie Eccleston gave Labour £1m to exempt motor racing from the tobacco advertising ban, so with Labour you risk getting it both ways. At least with the Tories, there's very little risk of them taking money from the union barons
So you can't answer then essentially. I'll tell you, trade union funding in politics is more scrutinised than any other funding and hence is 100% transparent.
So, a hypothetical union representing all, say teachers, giving money to the Labour Party to push for policies that benefit all teachers (not just union members) you see as equally bad as say, businesses with financial links to the governing party receiving government contracts? Really? "I don't think I said any of that. I gave my answer and just because it's not to your liking, there's no need to put words in my mouth. | |||
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"I don’t trust any of them to be honest across the entire board. Starmer is a slippery operator. " Not so long ago, he was Red Labour / til blue in the face. Offering total support to Corbyn. Slippery indeed | |||
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"I can't see the Tories winning the next election, but it comes down to trust in the opposition. Do you trust Labour?" I trust Labour to try to deliver the policies that they say they will and try to take the country in the direction that they want to. If they manage to or not is another matter. I will probably pay more tax, but if it improves the situation for the country overall then fine, because ultimately I will benefit. Some people take a different view. I certainly do not trust the current Government based on twelve years demonstrated performance. | |||
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"At the moment, I trust that labour won't ruin the country further." I suppose there’s only way you can go from rock bottom | |||
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"No, I don't trust Labour. Starmer’s team is a weak Blairite tribute act and Starmer himself is a rather empty vessel. He twice tried to get Corbyn elected and now prefers you forget this. Starmer is as convincing as anyone when talking about the problems of the nation and how much he wants to put them right. But, when he talks about what a Labour government would actually do, he sounds like he is still in the dark, clutching at any passing bandwagon. He's 20 years older than Rishi who's now making tremendous progress on the the protocol, halving inflation, maintaining record employment etc. We need this kind of energy, a man approaching 61 should be putting his feet up, not putting the boot in on Corbyn. As much as I dislike Jezza, Starmer's banning of a true leftist is alarming. How can you trust Starmer when he was giving Jezza full throated support pre-Covid?
Cheshire what has Sunak done precisely that is “halving inflation”? Apart from that not being true, I am keen to understand what actions he has taken?
It's about having a responsible economic policy when it comes to things like pay, when it comes to areas like borrowing....
Starmer would stoke inflation agreeing to all manner of absurd pay demands from his union paymasters
That would be the unions that aren't affiliated to the Labour Party would it?
Genuine question, do you think Trade Union money in politics is more or less transparent than a/ money from businesses b/ money from private individuals?
They can both be problematic. Bernie Eccleston gave Labour £1m to exempt motor racing from the tobacco advertising ban, so with Labour you risk getting it both ways. At least with the Tories, there's very little risk of them taking money from the union barons
So you can't answer then essentially. I'll tell you, trade union funding in politics is more scrutinised than any other funding and hence is 100% transparent.
So, a hypothetical union representing all, say teachers, giving money to the Labour Party to push for policies that benefit all teachers (not just union members) you see as equally bad as say, businesses with financial links to the governing party receiving government contracts? Really?
I don't think I said any of that. I gave my answer and just because it's not to your liking, there's no need to put words in my mouth. "I asked you which was more transparent and you refused to answer. I'll give you a clue, increased transparency is good. You pivoted to suggest that Labour were worse than the Conservatives because Labour took both business and trade union funding. I illustrated why I believe trade union funding for Labour is less bad than private funding for the Conservatives. But let's assume you did answer the question, can I ask if you would support businesses being required to ballot their shareholders before donating to a political party and individual donations over £1 being published and being banned from non UK citizens? | |||
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"No, I don't trust Labour. Starmer’s team is a weak Blairite tribute act and Starmer himself is a rather empty vessel. He twice tried to get Corbyn elected and now prefers you forget this. Starmer is as convincing as anyone when talking about the problems of the nation and how much he wants to put them right. But, when he talks about what a Labour government would actually do, he sounds like he is still in the dark, clutching at any passing bandwagon. He's 20 years older than Rishi who's now making tremendous progress on the the protocol, halving inflation, maintaining record employment etc. We need this kind of energy, a man approaching 61 should be putting his feet up, not putting the boot in on Corbyn. As much as I dislike Jezza, Starmer's banning of a true leftist is alarming. How can you trust Starmer when he was giving Jezza full throated support pre-Covid?
Cheshire what has Sunak done precisely that is “halving inflation”? Apart from that not being true, I am keen to understand what actions he has taken?
It's about having a responsible economic policy when it comes to things like pay, when it comes to areas like borrowing....
Starmer would stoke inflation agreeing to all manner of absurd pay demands from his union paymasters
That would be the unions that aren't affiliated to the Labour Party would it?
Genuine question, do you think Trade Union money in politics is more or less transparent than a/ money from businesses b/ money from private individuals?
They can both be problematic. Bernie Eccleston gave Labour £1m to exempt motor racing from the tobacco advertising ban, so with Labour you risk getting it both ways. At least with the Tories, there's very little risk of them taking money from the union barons
So you can't answer then essentially. I'll tell you, trade union funding in politics is more scrutinised than any other funding and hence is 100% transparent.
So, a hypothetical union representing all, say teachers, giving money to the Labour Party to push for policies that benefit all teachers (not just union members) you see as equally bad as say, businesses with financial links to the governing party receiving government contracts? Really?
I don't think I said any of that. I gave my answer and just because it's not to your liking, there's no need to put words in my mouth.
I asked you which was more transparent and you refused to answer. I'll give you a clue, increased transparency is good.
You pivoted to suggest that Labour were worse than the Conservatives because Labour took both business and trade union funding.
I illustrated why I believe trade union funding for Labour is less bad than private funding for the Conservatives.
But let's assume you did answer the question, can I ask if you would support businesses being required to ballot their shareholders before donating to a political party and individual donations over £1 being published and being banned from non UK citizens? "All this union vs business is nonsense. Starmer has lately been costing up to business in an attempt to get them onside. Still, I'd hope he brings us back towards the middle and that for me is a winner | |||
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"No, I don't trust Labour. Starmer’s team is a weak Blairite tribute act and Starmer himself is a rather empty vessel. He twice tried to get Corbyn elected and now prefers you forget this. Starmer is as convincing as anyone when talking about the problems of the nation and how much he wants to put them right. But, when he talks about what a Labour government would actually do, he sounds like he is still in the dark, clutching at any passing bandwagon. He's 20 years older than Rishi who's now making tremendous progress on the the protocol, halving inflation, maintaining record employment etc. We need this kind of energy, a man approaching 61 should be putting his feet up, not putting the boot in on Corbyn. As much as I dislike Jezza, Starmer's banning of a true leftist is alarming. How can you trust Starmer when he was giving Jezza full throated support pre-Covid?
Cheshire what has Sunak done precisely that is “halving inflation”? Apart from that not being true, I am keen to understand what actions he has taken?
It's about having a responsible economic policy when it comes to things like pay, when it comes to areas like borrowing....
Starmer would stoke inflation agreeing to all manner of absurd pay demands from his union paymasters
That would be the unions that aren't affiliated to the Labour Party would it?
Genuine question, do you think Trade Union money in politics is more or less transparent than a/ money from businesses b/ money from private individuals?
They can both be problematic. Bernie Eccleston gave Labour £1m to exempt motor racing from the tobacco advertising ban, so with Labour you risk getting it both ways. At least with the Tories, there's very little risk of them taking money from the union barons
So you can't answer then essentially. I'll tell you, trade union funding in politics is more scrutinised than any other funding and hence is 100% transparent.
So, a hypothetical union representing all, say teachers, giving money to the Labour Party to push for policies that benefit all teachers (not just union members) you see as equally bad as say, businesses with financial links to the governing party receiving government contracts? Really?
I don't think I said any of that. I gave my answer and just because it's not to your liking, there's no need to put words in my mouth.
I asked you which was more transparent and you refused to answer. I'll give you a clue, increased transparency is good.
You pivoted to suggest that Labour were worse than the Conservatives because Labour took both business and trade union funding.
I illustrated why I believe trade union funding for Labour is less bad than private funding for the Conservatives.
But let's assume you did answer the question, can I ask if you would support businesses being required to ballot their shareholders before donating to a political party and individual donations over £1 being published and being banned from non UK citizens?
All this union vs business is nonsense.
Starmer has lately been costing up to business in an attempt to get them onside.
Still, I'd hope he brings us back towards the middle and that for me is a winner"Nonsense in what way? Ideally I'd prefer all political parties to receive state funding and not be able to take payments from any source . But until that's the case the transparency of political donations is important. | |||
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"In fact why would anyone vote Labour anyways. They seem to have a woman problem until recently and they're the least diverse party in the house of commons at the moment" Labours shadow cabinet 16 women 15 men You’re making a fool of yourself | |||
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"In fact why would anyone vote Labour anyways. They seem to have a woman problem until recently and they're the least diverse party in the house of commons at the moment Labours shadow cabinet 16 women 15 men You’re making a fool of yourself "Read my comment again, I said until recently not currently | |||
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"No, I don't trust Labour. Starmer’s team is a weak Blairite tribute act and Starmer himself is a rather empty vessel. He twice tried to get Corbyn elected and now prefers you forget this. Starmer is as convincing as anyone when talking about the problems of the nation and how much he wants to put them right. But, when he talks about what a Labour government would actually do, he sounds like he is still in the dark, clutching at any passing bandwagon. He's 20 years older than Rishi who's now making tremendous progress on the the protocol, halving inflation, maintaining record employment etc. We need this kind of energy, a man approaching 61 should be putting his feet up, not putting the boot in on Corbyn. As much as I dislike Jezza, Starmer's banning of a true leftist is alarming. How can you trust Starmer when he was giving Jezza full throated support pre-Covid?
Cheshire what has Sunak done precisely that is “halving inflation”? Apart from that not being true, I am keen to understand what actions he has taken?
It's about having a responsible economic policy when it comes to things like pay, when it comes to areas like borrowing....
Starmer would stoke inflation agreeing to all manner of absurd pay demands from his union paymasters
That would be the unions that aren't affiliated to the Labour Party would it?
Genuine question, do you think Trade Union money in politics is more or less transparent than a/ money from businesses b/ money from private individuals?
They can both be problematic. Bernie Eccleston gave Labour £1m to exempt motor racing from the tobacco advertising ban, so with Labour you risk getting it both ways. At least with the Tories, there's very little risk of them taking money from the union barons
So you can't answer then essentially. I'll tell you, trade union funding in politics is more scrutinised than any other funding and hence is 100% transparent.
So, a hypothetical union representing all, say teachers, giving money to the Labour Party to push for policies that benefit all teachers (not just union members) you see as equally bad as say, businesses with financial links to the governing party receiving government contracts? Really?
I don't think I said any of that. I gave my answer and just because it's not to your liking, there's no need to put words in my mouth.
I asked you which was more transparent and you refused to answer. I'll give you a clue, increased transparency is good.
You pivoted to suggest that Labour were worse than the Conservatives because Labour took both business and trade union funding.
I illustrated why I believe trade union funding for Labour is less bad than private funding for the Conservatives.
But let's assume you did answer the question, can I ask if you would support businesses being required to ballot their shareholders before donating to a political party and individual donations over £1 being published and being banned from non UK citizens? "What evidence do you have that 'trade union funding in politics is more scrutinised than any other funding and hence is 100% transparent'? If the last Labour government is anything to go by, we will have sleaze on an industrial scale again, such as Peter Mandelson's Mortgages; David Blunkett and Nannygate; Bernie Ecclestone's £1m Donation; Loans for Lordships; Lord Irvine's Wallpaper; Margaret Beckett's Air Miles; Cherie Blair's Freebie Holidays - Tessa Jowell's Mortgages; The Dodgy Dossier; Stephen Byers - Jo Moore Burying Bad News; Derek Draper and Lobbygate; Cherie Blair Signing the Hutton Report; Gordon Brown and the Smith Institute; Cherie Blair's 'lecture' tours; No Tory will take lectures on sleaze from the left! | |||
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"No, I don't trust Labour. Starmer’s team is a weak Blairite tribute act and Starmer himself is a rather empty vessel. He twice tried to get Corbyn elected and now prefers you forget this. Starmer is as convincing as anyone when talking about the problems of the nation and how much he wants to put them right. But, when he talks about what a Labour government would actually do, he sounds like he is still in the dark, clutching at any passing bandwagon. He's 20 years older than Rishi who's now making tremendous progress on the the protocol, halving inflation, maintaining record employment etc. We need this kind of energy, a man approaching 61 should be putting his feet up, not putting the boot in on Corbyn. As much as I dislike Jezza, Starmer's banning of a true leftist is alarming. How can you trust Starmer when he was giving Jezza full throated support pre-Covid?
Cheshire what has Sunak done precisely that is “halving inflation”? Apart from that not being true, I am keen to understand what actions he has taken?
It's about having a responsible economic policy when it comes to things like pay, when it comes to areas like borrowing....
Starmer would stoke inflation agreeing to all manner of absurd pay demands from his union paymasters
That would be the unions that aren't affiliated to the Labour Party would it?
Genuine question, do you think Trade Union money in politics is more or less transparent than a/ money from businesses b/ money from private individuals?
They can both be problematic. Bernie Eccleston gave Labour £1m to exempt motor racing from the tobacco advertising ban, so with Labour you risk getting it both ways. At least with the Tories, there's very little risk of them taking money from the union barons
So you can't answer then essentially. I'll tell you, trade union funding in politics is more scrutinised than any other funding and hence is 100% transparent.
So, a hypothetical union representing all, say teachers, giving money to the Labour Party to push for policies that benefit all teachers (not just union members) you see as equally bad as say, businesses with financial links to the governing party receiving government contracts? Really?
I don't think I said any of that. I gave my answer and just because it's not to your liking, there's no need to put words in my mouth.
I asked you which was more transparent and you refused to answer. I'll give you a clue, increased transparency is good.
You pivoted to suggest that Labour were worse than the Conservatives because Labour took both business and trade union funding.
I illustrated why I believe trade union funding for Labour is less bad than private funding for the Conservatives.
But let's assume you did answer the question, can I ask if you would support businesses being required to ballot their shareholders before donating to a political party and individual donations over £1 being published and being banned from non UK citizens?
All this union vs business is nonsense.
Starmer has lately been costing up to business in an attempt to get them onside.
Still, I'd hope he brings us back towards the middle and that for me is a winner"Straddling the fence is slippery Starmer, cosying up to business, whilst shadow cabinet members and Labour MPs drive from expensive houses and flats in expensive cars to posture on picket lines! | |||
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"No, I don't trust Labour. Starmer’s team is a weak Blairite tribute act and Starmer himself is a rather empty vessel. He twice tried to get Corbyn elected and now prefers you forget this. Starmer is as convincing as anyone when talking about the problems of the nation and how much he wants to put them right. But, when he talks about what a Labour government would actually do, he sounds like he is still in the dark, clutching at any passing bandwagon. He's 20 years older than Rishi who's now making tremendous progress on the the protocol, halving inflation, maintaining record employment etc. We need this kind of energy, a man approaching 61 should be putting his feet up, not putting the boot in on Corbyn. As much as I dislike Jezza, Starmer's banning of a true leftist is alarming. How can you trust Starmer when he was giving Jezza full throated support pre-Covid?
Cheshire what has Sunak done precisely that is “halving inflation”? Apart from that not being true, I am keen to understand what actions he has taken?
It's about having a responsible economic policy when it comes to things like pay, when it comes to areas like borrowing....
Starmer would stoke inflation agreeing to all manner of absurd pay demands from his union paymasters
That would be the unions that aren't affiliated to the Labour Party would it?
Genuine question, do you think Trade Union money in politics is more or less transparent than a/ money from businesses b/ money from private individuals?
They can both be problematic. Bernie Eccleston gave Labour £1m to exempt motor racing from the tobacco advertising ban, so with Labour you risk getting it both ways. At least with the Tories, there's very little risk of them taking money from the union barons
So you can't answer then essentially. I'll tell you, trade union funding in politics is more scrutinised than any other funding and hence is 100% transparent.
So, a hypothetical union representing all, say teachers, giving money to the Labour Party to push for policies that benefit all teachers (not just union members) you see as equally bad as say, businesses with financial links to the governing party receiving government contracts? Really?
I don't think I said any of that. I gave my answer and just because it's not to your liking, there's no need to put words in my mouth.
I asked you which was more transparent and you refused to answer. I'll give you a clue, increased transparency is good.
You pivoted to suggest that Labour were worse than the Conservatives because Labour took both business and trade union funding.
I illustrated why I believe trade union funding for Labour is less bad than private funding for the Conservatives.
But let's assume you did answer the question, can I ask if you would support businesses being required to ballot their shareholders before donating to a political party and individual donations over £1 being published and being banned from non UK citizens?
What evidence do you have that 'trade union funding in politics is more scrutinised than any other funding and hence is 100% transparent'?
If the last Labour government is anything to go by, we will have sleaze on an industrial scale again, such as Peter Mandelson's Mortgages; David Blunkett and Nannygate; Bernie Ecclestone's £1m Donation; Loans for Lordships; Lord Irvine's Wallpaper; Margaret Beckett's Air Miles; Cherie Blair's Freebie Holidays - Tessa Jowell's Mortgages; The Dodgy Dossier; Stephen Byers - Jo Moore Burying Bad News; Derek Draper and Lobbygate; Cherie Blair Signing the Hutton Report; Gordon Brown and the Smith Institute; Cherie Blair's 'lecture' tours;
No Tory will take lectures on sleaze from the left! "So you don't think companies should ballot their shareholders before making political donations? Evidence? Because it is. Trade Unions have to ask every single one of their members if they wish to make a political donation. They have to declare it in their accounts and the recipient (usually the Labour Party) has to declare receipt. It is completely transparent. https://labourunions.org.uk/what-is-a-political-fund/ Not a single one of those examples is related to a trade union though is it? Remember, your argument was that unions funding Labour was the issue. But again, out of all those things you listed, do you really believe the total is greater or less than what we currently know re PPE procurement? Just be honest, simply say you don't want a Labour government rather than tilting at random windmills. | |||
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"I can't see the Tories winning the next election, but it comes down to trust in the opposition. Do you trust Labour?" It's not a binary choice though. Most wards have multiple party representatives. | |||
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"No, I don't trust Labour. Starmer’s team is a weak Blairite tribute act and Starmer himself is a rather empty vessel. He twice tried to get Corbyn elected and now prefers you forget this. Starmer is as convincing as anyone when talking about the problems of the nation and how much he wants to put them right. But, when he talks about what a Labour government would actually do, he sounds like he is still in the dark, clutching at any passing bandwagon. He's 20 years older than Rishi who's now making tremendous progress on the the protocol, halving inflation, maintaining record employment etc. We need this kind of energy, a man approaching 61 should be putting his feet up, not putting the boot in on Corbyn. As much as I dislike Jezza, Starmer's banning of a true leftist is alarming. How can you trust Starmer when he was giving Jezza full throated support pre-Covid?
Cheshire what has Sunak done precisely that is “halving inflation”? Apart from that not being true, I am keen to understand what actions he has taken?
It's about having a responsible economic policy when it comes to things like pay, when it comes to areas like borrowing....
Starmer would stoke inflation agreeing to all manner of absurd pay demands from his union paymasters
That would be the unions that aren't affiliated to the Labour Party would it?
Genuine question, do you think Trade Union money in politics is more or less transparent than a/ money from businesses b/ money from private individuals?
They can both be problematic. Bernie Eccleston gave Labour £1m to exempt motor racing from the tobacco advertising ban, so with Labour you risk getting it both ways. At least with the Tories, there's very little risk of them taking money from the union barons
So you can't answer then essentially. I'll tell you, trade union funding in politics is more scrutinised than any other funding and hence is 100% transparent.
So, a hypothetical union representing all, say teachers, giving money to the Labour Party to push for policies that benefit all teachers (not just union members) you see as equally bad as say, businesses with financial links to the governing party receiving government contracts? Really?
I don't think I said any of that. I gave my answer and just because it's not to your liking, there's no need to put words in my mouth.
I asked you which was more transparent and you refused to answer. I'll give you a clue, increased transparency is good.
You pivoted to suggest that Labour were worse than the Conservatives because Labour took both business and trade union funding.
I illustrated why I believe trade union funding for Labour is less bad than private funding for the Conservatives.
But let's assume you did answer the question, can I ask if you would support businesses being required to ballot their shareholders before donating to a political party and individual donations over £1 being published and being banned from non UK citizens?
What evidence do you have that 'trade union funding in politics is more scrutinised than any other funding and hence is 100% transparent'?
If the last Labour government is anything to go by, we will have sleaze on an industrial scale again, such as Peter Mandelson's Mortgages; David Blunkett and Nannygate; Bernie Ecclestone's £1m Donation; Loans for Lordships; Lord Irvine's Wallpaper; Margaret Beckett's Air Miles; Cherie Blair's Freebie Holidays - Tessa Jowell's Mortgages; The Dodgy Dossier; Stephen Byers - Jo Moore Burying Bad News; Derek Draper and Lobbygate; Cherie Blair Signing the Hutton Report; Gordon Brown and the Smith Institute; Cherie Blair's 'lecture' tours;
No Tory will take lectures on sleaze from the left!
So you don't think companies should ballot their shareholders before making political donations?
Evidence? Because it is. Trade Unions have to ask every single one of their members if they wish to make a political donation. They have to declare it in their accounts and the recipient (usually the Labour Party) has to declare receipt. It is completely transparent.
https://labourunions.org.uk/what-is-a-political-fund/
Not a single one of those examples is related to a trade union though is it? Remember, your argument was that unions funding Labour was the issue.
But again, out of all those things you listed, do you really believe the total is greater or less than what we currently know re PPE procurement?
Just be honest, simply say you don't want a Labour government rather than tilting at random windmills."But that phrase implies imaginary enemies. The spectre of an actual Labour government looms large | |||
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"Trade Unions have to ask every single one of their members if they wish to make a political donation. " In my experience they don't ask their members, they just assume. Trying to get your name removed from the list of political donors is nigh on impossible. | |||
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"No, I don't trust Labour. Starmer’s team is a weak Blairite tribute act and Starmer himself is a rather empty vessel. He twice tried to get Corbyn elected and now prefers you forget this. Starmer is as convincing as anyone when talking about the problems of the nation and how much he wants to put them right. But, when he talks about what a Labour government would actually do, he sounds like he is still in the dark, clutching at any passing bandwagon. He's 20 years older than Rishi who's now making tremendous progress on the the protocol, halving inflation, maintaining record employment etc. We need this kind of energy, a man approaching 61 should be putting his feet up, not putting the boot in on Corbyn. As much as I dislike Jezza, Starmer's banning of a true leftist is alarming. How can you trust Starmer when he was giving Jezza full throated support pre-Covid?
Cheshire what has Sunak done precisely that is “halving inflation”? Apart from that not being true, I am keen to understand what actions he has taken?
It's about having a responsible economic policy when it comes to things like pay, when it comes to areas like borrowing....
Starmer would stoke inflation agreeing to all manner of absurd pay demands from his union paymasters "How does making public sector employees poorer reduce inflation when there is no constraint on supply? Explain the mechanism by which public sector pay increases the cost of goods and services. What prices go up as a result? What is "absurd" about public sector workers receiving the same pay increases as the private sector or, heaven forbid, receive real terms pay levels equivalent to a decade ago? | |||
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"I don’t trust any of them to be honest across the entire board. Starmer is a slippery operator. You really don't have a clue other than what you have been told by the media..." Nope I go by his dithering that and all his promises that he made to the left of the party that he is busy dialling back  | |||
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"No, I don't trust Labour. Starmer’s team is a weak Blairite tribute act and Starmer himself is a rather empty vessel. He twice tried to get Corbyn elected and now prefers you forget this. Starmer is as convincing as anyone when talking about the problems of the nation and how much he wants to put them right. But, when he talks about what a Labour government would actually do, he sounds like he is still in the dark, clutching at any passing bandwagon. He's 20 years older than Rishi who's now making tremendous progress on the the protocol, halving inflation, maintaining record employment etc. We need this kind of energy, a man approaching 61 should be putting his feet up, not putting the boot in on Corbyn. As much as I dislike Jezza, Starmer's banning of a true leftist is alarming. How can you trust Starmer when he was giving Jezza full throated support pre-Covid?
Cheshire what has Sunak done precisely that is “halving inflation”? Apart from that not being true, I am keen to understand what actions he has taken?
It's about having a responsible economic policy when it comes to things like pay, when it comes to areas like borrowing....
Starmer would stoke inflation agreeing to all manner of absurd pay demands from his union paymasters
Would he though? Many Labour supporters say he is a Red Tory / Blue Labour. Is that what Blair did?
I see him as Blue Labour. Just my kind tbh. Or I'd take a Red Tory.
Either way we need to get back to middle ground"Yep! If only we had a truly viable centre party | |||
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"No, I don't trust Labour. Starmer’s team is a weak Blairite tribute act and Starmer himself is a rather empty vessel. He twice tried to get Corbyn elected and now prefers you forget this. Starmer is as convincing as anyone when talking about the problems of the nation and how much he wants to put them right. But, when he talks about what a Labour government would actually do, he sounds like he is still in the dark, clutching at any passing bandwagon. He's 20 years older than Rishi who's now making tremendous progress on the the protocol, halving inflation, maintaining record employment etc. We need this kind of energy, a man approaching 61 should be putting his feet up, not putting the boot in on Corbyn. As much as I dislike Jezza, Starmer's banning of a true leftist is alarming. How can you trust Starmer when he was giving Jezza full throated support pre-Covid?
Cheshire what has Sunak done precisely that is “halving inflation”? Apart from that not being true, I am keen to understand what actions he has taken?
It's about having a responsible economic policy when it comes to things like pay, when it comes to areas like borrowing....
Starmer would stoke inflation agreeing to all manner of absurd pay demands from his union paymasters
That would be the unions that aren't affiliated to the Labour Party would it?
Genuine question, do you think Trade Union money in politics is more or less transparent than a/ money from businesses b/ money from private individuals?
They can both be problematic. Bernie Eccleston gave Labour £1m to exempt motor racing from the tobacco advertising ban, so with Labour you risk getting it both ways. At least with the Tories, there's very little risk of them taking money from the union barons
So you can't answer then essentially. I'll tell you, trade union funding in politics is more scrutinised than any other funding and hence is 100% transparent.
So, a hypothetical union representing all, say teachers, giving money to the Labour Party to push for policies that benefit all teachers (not just union members) you see as equally bad as say, businesses with financial links to the governing party receiving government contracts? Really?
I don't think I said any of that. I gave my answer and just because it's not to your liking, there's no need to put words in my mouth.
I asked you which was more transparent and you refused to answer. I'll give you a clue, increased transparency is good.
You pivoted to suggest that Labour were worse than the Conservatives because Labour took both business and trade union funding.
I illustrated why I believe trade union funding for Labour is less bad than private funding for the Conservatives.
But let's assume you did answer the question, can I ask if you would support businesses being required to ballot their shareholders before donating to a political party and individual donations over £1 being published and being banned from non UK citizens?
All this union vs business is nonsense.
Starmer has lately been costing up to business in an attempt to get them onside.
Still, I'd hope he brings us back towards the middle and that for me is a winner
Nonsense in what way?
Ideally I'd prefer all political parties to receive state funding and not be able to take payments from any source . But until that's the case the transparency of political donations is important."What is nonsense? That Starmer is cosying up to business? You should do a little research if you think that statement is nonsense. | |||
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"No, I don't trust Labour. Starmer’s team is a weak Blairite tribute act and Starmer himself is a rather empty vessel. He twice tried to get Corbyn elected and now prefers you forget this. Starmer is as convincing as anyone when talking about the problems of the nation and how much he wants to put them right. But, when he talks about what a Labour government would actually do, he sounds like he is still in the dark, clutching at any passing bandwagon. He's 20 years older than Rishi who's now making tremendous progress on the the protocol, halving inflation, maintaining record employment etc. We need this kind of energy, a man approaching 61 should be putting his feet up, not putting the boot in on Corbyn. As much as I dislike Jezza, Starmer's banning of a true leftist is alarming. How can you trust Starmer when he was giving Jezza full throated support pre-Covid?
Cheshire what has Sunak done precisely that is “halving inflation”? Apart from that not being true, I am keen to understand what actions he has taken?
It's about having a responsible economic policy when it comes to things like pay, when it comes to areas like borrowing....
Starmer would stoke inflation agreeing to all manner of absurd pay demands from his union paymasters
That would be the unions that aren't affiliated to the Labour Party would it?
Genuine question, do you think Trade Union money in politics is more or less transparent than a/ money from businesses b/ money from private individuals?
They can both be problematic. Bernie Eccleston gave Labour £1m to exempt motor racing from the tobacco advertising ban, so with Labour you risk getting it both ways. At least with the Tories, there's very little risk of them taking money from the union barons
So you can't answer then essentially. I'll tell you, trade union funding in politics is more scrutinised than any other funding and hence is 100% transparent.
So, a hypothetical union representing all, say teachers, giving money to the Labour Party to push for policies that benefit all teachers (not just union members) you see as equally bad as say, businesses with financial links to the governing party receiving government contracts? Really?
I don't think I said any of that. I gave my answer and just because it's not to your liking, there's no need to put words in my mouth.
I asked you which was more transparent and you refused to answer. I'll give you a clue, increased transparency is good.
You pivoted to suggest that Labour were worse than the Conservatives because Labour took both business and trade union funding.
I illustrated why I believe trade union funding for Labour is less bad than private funding for the Conservatives.
But let's assume you did answer the question, can I ask if you would support businesses being required to ballot their shareholders before donating to a political party and individual donations over £1 being published and being banned from non UK citizens?
What evidence do you have that 'trade union funding in politics is more scrutinised than any other funding and hence is 100% transparent'?
If the last Labour government is anything to go by, we will have sleaze on an industrial scale again, such as Peter Mandelson's Mortgages; David Blunkett and Nannygate; Bernie Ecclestone's £1m Donation; Loans for Lordships; Lord Irvine's Wallpaper; Margaret Beckett's Air Miles; Cherie Blair's Freebie Holidays - Tessa Jowell's Mortgages; The Dodgy Dossier; Stephen Byers - Jo Moore Burying Bad News; Derek Draper and Lobbygate; Cherie Blair Signing the Hutton Report; Gordon Brown and the Smith Institute; Cherie Blair's 'lecture' tours;
No Tory will take lectures on sleaze from the left! "So are you saying that because a Labour Government last in power almost 13 years ago and populated by a different set of Ministers/MPs (I think all those listed are no longer in the Party right) that it is inevitable the current lot will be just the same? Are you saying that is evidence they will be as bad or worse than our current Government? Are you saying the level of scandal, frequency of scandal, and monetary value of the scandals will be equivalent with the last three years? I am not saying a Labour Govt will be scandal free. It is inevitable. But surely nothing can be as brazen or of such scale as the last few years? | |||
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"In fact why would anyone vote Labour anyways. They seem to have a woman problem until recently and they're the least diverse party in the house of commons at the moment Labours shadow cabinet 16 women 15 men You’re making a fool of yourself Read my comment again, I said until recently not currently"So labour no longer have a ‘women problem ’ ? Btw, there are 65 MPs from ethnic minority backgrounds, 41 are labour | |||
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"What choice do we have? Labour! Tory! Unrealistic loonies!" In the trade that is called ' a bit of a pickle '. | |||
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"No, I don't trust Labour. Starmer’s team is a weak Blairite tribute act and Starmer himself is a rather empty vessel. He twice tried to get Corbyn elected and now prefers you forget this. Starmer is as convincing as anyone when talking about the problems of the nation and how much he wants to put them right. But, when he talks about what a Labour government would actually do, he sounds like he is still in the dark, clutching at any passing bandwagon. He's 20 years older than Rishi who's now making tremendous progress on the the protocol, halving inflation, maintaining record employment etc. We need this kind of energy, a man approaching 61 should be putting his feet up, not putting the boot in on Corbyn. As much as I dislike Jezza, Starmer's banning of a true leftist is alarming. How can you trust Starmer when he was giving Jezza full throated support pre-Covid?
Cheshire what has Sunak done precisely that is “halving inflation”? Apart from that not being true, I am keen to understand what actions he has taken?
It's about having a responsible economic policy when it comes to things like pay, when it comes to areas like borrowing....
Starmer would stoke inflation agreeing to all manner of absurd pay demands from his union paymasters
That would be the unions that aren't affiliated to the Labour Party would it?
Genuine question, do you think Trade Union money in politics is more or less transparent than a/ money from businesses b/ money from private individuals?
They can both be problematic. Bernie Eccleston gave Labour £1m to exempt motor racing from the tobacco advertising ban, so with Labour you risk getting it both ways. At least with the Tories, there's very little risk of them taking money from the union barons
So you can't answer then essentially. I'll tell you, trade union funding in politics is more scrutinised than any other funding and hence is 100% transparent.
So, a hypothetical union representing all, say teachers, giving money to the Labour Party to push for policies that benefit all teachers (not just union members) you see as equally bad as say, businesses with financial links to the governing party receiving government contracts? Really?
I don't think I said any of that. I gave my answer and just because it's not to your liking, there's no need to put words in my mouth.
I asked you which was more transparent and you refused to answer. I'll give you a clue, increased transparency is good.
You pivoted to suggest that Labour were worse than the Conservatives because Labour took both business and trade union funding.
I illustrated why I believe trade union funding for Labour is less bad than private funding for the Conservatives.
But let's assume you did answer the question, can I ask if you would support businesses being required to ballot their shareholders before donating to a political party and individual donations over £1 being published and being banned from non UK citizens?
All this union vs business is nonsense.
Starmer has lately been costing up to business in an attempt to get them onside.
Still, I'd hope he brings us back towards the middle and that for me is a winner
Nonsense in what way?
Ideally I'd prefer all political parties to receive state funding and not be able to take payments from any source . But until that's the case the transparency of political donations is important.
What is nonsense? That Starmer is cosying up to business?
You should do a little research if you think that statement is nonsense."I was asking what you meant when you said 'unions v business was nonsense'. The point I was making was re funding mechanisms. | |||
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"Trade Unions have to ask every single one of their members if they wish to make a political donation. In my experience they don't ask their members, they just assume. Trying to get your name removed from the list of political donors is nigh on impossible." Then the trade union you are/were in are acting illegally. Feel free to report them to the Certification Officer. I can get you their details if you like? | |||
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"No, I don't trust Labour. Starmer’s team is a weak Blairite tribute act and Starmer himself is a rather empty vessel. He twice tried to get Corbyn elected and now prefers you forget this. Starmer is as convincing as anyone when talking about the problems of the nation and how much he wants to put them right. But, when he talks about what a Labour government would actually do, he sounds like he is still in the dark, clutching at any passing bandwagon. He's 20 years older than Rishi who's now making tremendous progress on the the protocol, halving inflation, maintaining record employment etc. We need this kind of energy, a man approaching 61 should be putting his feet up, not putting the boot in on Corbyn. As much as I dislike Jezza, Starmer's banning of a true leftist is alarming. How can you trust Starmer when he was giving Jezza full throated support pre-Covid?
Cheshire what has Sunak done precisely that is “halving inflation”? Apart from that not being true, I am keen to understand what actions he has taken?
It's about having a responsible economic policy when it comes to things like pay, when it comes to areas like borrowing....
Starmer would stoke inflation agreeing to all manner of absurd pay demands from his union paymasters
That would be the unions that aren't affiliated to the Labour Party would it?
Genuine question, do you think Trade Union money in politics is more or less transparent than a/ money from businesses b/ money from private individuals?
They can both be problematic. Bernie Eccleston gave Labour £1m to exempt motor racing from the tobacco advertising ban, so with Labour you risk getting it both ways. At least with the Tories, there's very little risk of them taking money from the union barons
So you can't answer then essentially. I'll tell you, trade union funding in politics is more scrutinised than any other funding and hence is 100% transparent.
So, a hypothetical union representing all, say teachers, giving money to the Labour Party to push for policies that benefit all teachers (not just union members) you see as equally bad as say, businesses with financial links to the governing party receiving government contracts? Really?
I don't think I said any of that. I gave my answer and just because it's not to your liking, there's no need to put words in my mouth.
I asked you which was more transparent and you refused to answer. I'll give you a clue, increased transparency is good.
You pivoted to suggest that Labour were worse than the Conservatives because Labour took both business and trade union funding.
I illustrated why I believe trade union funding for Labour is less bad than private funding for the Conservatives.
But let's assume you did answer the question, can I ask if you would support businesses being required to ballot their shareholders before donating to a political party and individual donations over £1 being published and being banned from non UK citizens?
All this union vs business is nonsense.
Starmer has lately been costing up to business in an attempt to get them onside.
Still, I'd hope he brings us back towards the middle and that for me is a winner
Nonsense in what way?
Ideally I'd prefer all political parties to receive state funding and not be able to take payments from any source . But until that's the case the transparency of political donations is important.
What is nonsense? That Starmer is cosying up to business?
You should do a little research if you think that statement is nonsense.
I was asking what you meant when you said 'unions v business was nonsense'. The point I was making was re funding mechanisms."It's nonsense because Labour will soon be taking donations from business. In fact they already do. | |||
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"No, I don't trust Labour. Starmer’s team is a weak Blairite tribute act and Starmer himself is a rather empty vessel. He twice tried to get Corbyn elected and now prefers you forget this. Starmer is as convincing as anyone when talking about the problems of the nation and how much he wants to put them right. But, when he talks about what a Labour government would actually do, he sounds like he is still in the dark, clutching at any passing bandwagon. He's 20 years older than Rishi who's now making tremendous progress on the the protocol, halving inflation, maintaining record employment etc. We need this kind of energy, a man approaching 61 should be putting his feet up, not putting the boot in on Corbyn. As much as I dislike Jezza, Starmer's banning of a true leftist is alarming. How can you trust Starmer when he was giving Jezza full throated support pre-Covid?
Cheshire what has Sunak done precisely that is “halving inflation”? Apart from that not being true, I am keen to understand what actions he has taken?
It's about having a responsible economic policy when it comes to things like pay, when it comes to areas like borrowing....
Starmer would stoke inflation agreeing to all manner of absurd pay demands from his union paymasters
That would be the unions that aren't affiliated to the Labour Party would it?
Genuine question, do you think Trade Union money in politics is more or less transparent than a/ money from businesses b/ money from private individuals?
They can both be problematic. Bernie Eccleston gave Labour £1m to exempt motor racing from the tobacco advertising ban, so with Labour you risk getting it both ways. At least with the Tories, there's very little risk of them taking money from the union barons
So you can't answer then essentially. I'll tell you, trade union funding in politics is more scrutinised than any other funding and hence is 100% transparent.
So, a hypothetical union representing all, say teachers, giving money to the Labour Party to push for policies that benefit all teachers (not just union members) you see as equally bad as say, businesses with financial links to the governing party receiving government contracts? Really?
I don't think I said any of that. I gave my answer and just because it's not to your liking, there's no need to put words in my mouth.
I asked you which was more transparent and you refused to answer. I'll give you a clue, increased transparency is good.
You pivoted to suggest that Labour were worse than the Conservatives because Labour took both business and trade union funding.
I illustrated why I believe trade union funding for Labour is less bad than private funding for the Conservatives.
But let's assume you did answer the question, can I ask if you would support businesses being required to ballot their shareholders before donating to a political party and individual donations over £1 being published and being banned from non UK citizens?
All this union vs business is nonsense.
Starmer has lately been costing up to business in an attempt to get them onside.
Still, I'd hope he brings us back towards the middle and that for me is a winner
Nonsense in what way?
Ideally I'd prefer all political parties to receive state funding and not be able to take payments from any source . But until that's the case the transparency of political donations is important.
What is nonsense? That Starmer is cosying up to business?
You should do a little research if you think that statement is nonsense.
I was asking what you meant when you said 'unions v business was nonsense'. The point I was making was re funding mechanisms.
It's nonsense because Labour will soon be taking donations from business. In fact they already do."I wasn't denying that, my point was that Trade Union funding to Labour was more transparent (and therefore 'better') than business funding. | |||
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"No, I don't trust Labour. Starmer’s team is a weak Blairite tribute act and Starmer himself is a rather empty vessel. He twice tried to get Corbyn elected and now prefers you forget this. Starmer is as convincing as anyone when talking about the problems of the nation and how much he wants to put them right. But, when he talks about what a Labour government would actually do, he sounds like he is still in the dark, clutching at any passing bandwagon. He's 20 years older than Rishi who's now making tremendous progress on the the protocol, halving inflation, maintaining record employment etc. We need this kind of energy, a man approaching 61 should be putting his feet up, not putting the boot in on Corbyn. As much as I dislike Jezza, Starmer's banning of a true leftist is alarming. How can you trust Starmer when he was giving Jezza full throated support pre-Covid?
Cheshire what has Sunak done precisely that is “halving inflation”? Apart from that not being true, I am keen to understand what actions he has taken?
It's about having a responsible economic policy when it comes to things like pay, when it comes to areas like borrowing....
Starmer would stoke inflation agreeing to all manner of absurd pay demands from his union paymasters
That would be the unions that aren't affiliated to the Labour Party would it?
Genuine question, do you think Trade Union money in politics is more or less transparent than a/ money from businesses b/ money from private individuals?
They can both be problematic. Bernie Eccleston gave Labour £1m to exempt motor racing from the tobacco advertising ban, so with Labour you risk getting it both ways. At least with the Tories, there's very little risk of them taking money from the union barons
So you can't answer then essentially. I'll tell you, trade union funding in politics is more scrutinised than any other funding and hence is 100% transparent.
So, a hypothetical union representing all, say teachers, giving money to the Labour Party to push for policies that benefit all teachers (not just union members) you see as equally bad as say, businesses with financial links to the governing party receiving government contracts? Really?
I don't think I said any of that. I gave my answer and just because it's not to your liking, there's no need to put words in my mouth.
I asked you which was more transparent and you refused to answer. I'll give you a clue, increased transparency is good.
You pivoted to suggest that Labour were worse than the Conservatives because Labour took both business and trade union funding.
I illustrated why I believe trade union funding for Labour is less bad than private funding for the Conservatives.
But let's assume you did answer the question, can I ask if you would support businesses being required to ballot their shareholders before donating to a political party and individual donations over £1 being published and being banned from non UK citizens?
All this union vs business is nonsense.
Starmer has lately been costing up to business in an attempt to get them onside.
Still, I'd hope he brings us back towards the middle and that for me is a winner
Nonsense in what way?
Ideally I'd prefer all political parties to receive state funding and not be able to take payments from any source . But until that's the case the transparency of political donations is important.
What is nonsense? That Starmer is cosying up to business?
You should do a little research if you think that statement is nonsense.
I was asking what you meant when you said 'unions v business was nonsense'. The point I was making was re funding mechanisms.
It's nonsense because Labour will soon be taking donations from business. In fact they already do.
I wasn't denying that, my point was that Trade Union funding to Labour was more transparent (and therefore 'better') than business funding."Yes you were saying that. You also said this "I illustrated why I believe trade union funding for Labour is less bad than private funding for the Conservatives." That's what makes it nonsense, some of that 'private funding for the Conservatives' is moving to Labour. If you're arguing that 'private funding' is bad for the Tories then you must also argue its bad for Labour | |||
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"I can't see the Tories winning the next election, but it comes down to trust in the opposition. Do you trust Labour?" Comical answers on this thread considering that the current Government is probably the most corrupt, self-serving and incompetent inhabitants that Whitehall has ever seen. What is there not to trust about a man who is an evident highly motivated achieve. He took himself from a state school background to the highest legal position in the country and developed a CPS team unrivalled before and since AND was knighted for his efforts. What is there to trust when nothing in this country has got any better after 13 years of ineffective, wasteful and incompetent Conservative Government? Even by the worst possible comparable denomination - what have we got to lose? It can’t be any worse under a Starmer Government. | |||
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"No, I don't trust Labour. Starmer’s team is a weak Blairite tribute act and Starmer himself is a rather empty vessel. He twice tried to get Corbyn elected and now prefers you forget this. Starmer is as convincing as anyone when talking about the problems of the nation and how much he wants to put them right. But, when he talks about what a Labour government would actually do, he sounds like he is still in the dark, clutching at any passing bandwagon. He's 20 years older than Rishi who's now making tremendous progress on the the protocol, halving inflation, maintaining record employment etc. We need this kind of energy, a man approaching 61 should be putting his feet up, not putting the boot in on Corbyn. As much as I dislike Jezza, Starmer's banning of a true leftist is alarming. How can you trust Starmer when he was giving Jezza full throated support pre-Covid?
Cheshire what has Sunak done precisely that is “halving inflation”? Apart from that not being true, I am keen to understand what actions he has taken?
It's about having a responsible economic policy when it comes to things like pay, when it comes to areas like borrowing....
Starmer would stoke inflation agreeing to all manner of absurd pay demands from his union paymasters
That would be the unions that aren't affiliated to the Labour Party would it?
Genuine question, do you think Trade Union money in politics is more or less transparent than a/ money from businesses b/ money from private individuals?
They can both be problematic. Bernie Eccleston gave Labour £1m to exempt motor racing from the tobacco advertising ban, so with Labour you risk getting it both ways. At least with the Tories, there's very little risk of them taking money from the union barons
So you can't answer then essentially. I'll tell you, trade union funding in politics is more scrutinised than any other funding and hence is 100% transparent.
So, a hypothetical union representing all, say teachers, giving money to the Labour Party to push for policies that benefit all teachers (not just union members) you see as equally bad as say, businesses with financial links to the governing party receiving government contracts? Really?
I don't think I said any of that. I gave my answer and just because it's not to your liking, there's no need to put words in my mouth.
I asked you which was more transparent and you refused to answer. I'll give you a clue, increased transparency is good.
You pivoted to suggest that Labour were worse than the Conservatives because Labour took both business and trade union funding.
I illustrated why I believe trade union funding for Labour is less bad than private funding for the Conservatives.
But let's assume you did answer the question, can I ask if you would support businesses being required to ballot their shareholders before donating to a political party and individual donations over £1 being published and being banned from non UK citizens?
All this union vs business is nonsense.
Starmer has lately been costing up to business in an attempt to get them onside.
Still, I'd hope he brings us back towards the middle and that for me is a winner
Nonsense in what way?
Ideally I'd prefer all political parties to receive state funding and not be able to take payments from any source . But until that's the case the transparency of political donations is important.
What is nonsense? That Starmer is cosying up to business?
You should do a little research if you think that statement is nonsense.
I was asking what you meant when you said 'unions v business was nonsense'. The point I was making was re funding mechanisms.
It's nonsense because Labour will soon be taking donations from business. In fact they already do.
I wasn't denying that, my point was that Trade Union funding to Labour was more transparent (and therefore 'better') than business funding.
Yes you were saying that. You also said this "I illustrated why I believe trade union funding for Labour is less bad than private funding for the Conservatives."
That's what makes it nonsense, some of that 'private funding for the Conservatives' is moving to Labour.
If you're arguing that 'private funding' is bad for the Tories then you must also argue its bad for Labour"I'm happy to argue that. I framed it that way in response to the poster suggesting that Starmer was controlled by Union Barons. I'd be happy to ban any external funding for parties and have it all centrally funded. | |||
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"I can't see the Tories winning the next election, but it comes down to trust in the opposition. Do you trust Labour?" no,, to be honest i dont trust any of them,,, labour will spend millions un doing all the things the tories have done and not actually do the country any good,,  plus kier starmer wants to give 500milion a year in aid to 10 african countries that would be better spent sorting out the wages for all the nurses docs etc on strike now  | |||
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"I can't see the Tories winning the next election, but it comes down to trust in the opposition. Do you trust Labour? I don’t trust Starmer. Bring back Corbyn " This is a joke right? Bring back Corbyn who won nothing and lead his party to a crushing defeat in 2019 | |||
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"No, I don't trust Labour. Starmer’s team is a weak Blairite tribute act and Starmer himself is a rather empty vessel. He twice tried to get Corbyn elected and now prefers you forget this. Starmer is as convincing as anyone when talking about the problems of the nation and how much he wants to put them right. But, when he talks about what a Labour government would actually do, he sounds like he is still in the dark, clutching at any passing bandwagon. He's 20 years older than Rishi who's now making tremendous progress on the the protocol, halving inflation, maintaining record employment etc. We need this kind of energy, a man approaching 61 should be putting his feet up, not putting the boot in on Corbyn. As much as I dislike Jezza, Starmer's banning of a true leftist is alarming. How can you trust Starmer when he was giving Jezza full throated support pre-Covid? "Starmer like most others in the shadow cabinet cannot even describe what a woman is... | |||
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"Wrong question OP, you should be asking why would anyone with a brain cell ever trust a Tory? I mean c’mon, you wouldn’t kiss a Tory would ya? Why would you ever trust a Tory again with your schools, your NHS, your economy, your pensions, your kids future, your food safety standards, your justice system, your standards in public life, your country’s reputation and standing on the world stage? There is literal shit flowing freely in some of the most beautiful stretches of water and you can’t see that as a metaphor for how the Tories have ruined this country? I feel the deepest sympathy for whoever forms the next government because I know if there’s anything left of this country by the next election, the Tories will have done their best to destroy it or steal it. Lying, stealing, corrupt, smooth-talking, genuinely evil little fuckers. But yeah, apart from that, yeah I would trust Labour. " Brilliant, let me guess you voted for Corbyn | |||
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"Wrong question OP, you should be asking why would anyone with a brain cell ever trust a Tory? I mean c’mon, you wouldn’t kiss a Tory would ya? Why would you ever trust a Tory again with your schools, your NHS, your economy, your pensions, your kids future, your food safety standards, your justice system, your standards in public life, your country’s reputation and standing on the world stage? There is literal shit flowing freely in some of the most beautiful stretches of water and you can’t see that as a metaphor for how the Tories have ruined this country? I feel the deepest sympathy for whoever forms the next government because I know if there’s anything left of this country by the next election, the Tories will have done their best to destroy it or steal it. Lying, stealing, corrupt, smooth-talking, genuinely evil little fuckers. But yeah, apart from that, yeah I would trust Labour. " Total tangent alert here but...do people really decide on their sexual partners based on their politics? I understand why you would for relationships. But do swingers really care when the blood has rushed to the little brain? If you were a staunch Labour supporter and the very hottest person on Fab wanted to shag you, would you say no if they were a staunch Tory? Really? | |||
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"Wrong question OP, you should be asking why would anyone with a brain cell ever trust a Tory? I mean c’mon, you wouldn’t kiss a Tory would ya? Why would you ever trust a Tory again with your schools, your NHS, your economy, your pensions, your kids future, your food safety standards, your justice system, your standards in public life, your country’s reputation and standing on the world stage? There is literal shit flowing freely in some of the most beautiful stretches of water and you can’t see that as a metaphor for how the Tories have ruined this country? I feel the deepest sympathy for whoever forms the next government because I know if there’s anything left of this country by the next election, the Tories will have done their best to destroy it or steal it. Lying, stealing, corrupt, smooth-talking, genuinely evil little fuckers. But yeah, apart from that, yeah I would trust Labour. Total tangent alert here but...do people really decide on their sexual partners based on their politics? I understand why you would for relationships. But do swingers really care when the blood has rushed to the little brain? If you were a staunch Labour supporter and the very hottest person on Fab wanted to shag you, would you say no if they were a staunch Tory? Really?" Apparently that is true. See it on plenty of profiles | |||
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"Wrong question OP, you should be asking why would anyone with a brain cell ever trust a Tory? I mean c’mon, you wouldn’t kiss a Tory would ya? Why would you ever trust a Tory again with your schools, your NHS, your economy, your pensions, your kids future, your food safety standards, your justice system, your standards in public life, your country’s reputation and standing on the world stage? There is literal shit flowing freely in some of the most beautiful stretches of water and you can’t see that as a metaphor for how the Tories have ruined this country? I feel the deepest sympathy for whoever forms the next government because I know if there’s anything left of this country by the next election, the Tories will have done their best to destroy it or steal it. Lying, stealing, corrupt, smooth-talking, genuinely evil little fuckers. But yeah, apart from that, yeah I would trust Labour. Total tangent alert here but...do people really decide on their sexual partners based on their politics? I understand why you would for relationships. But do swingers really care when the blood has rushed to the little brain? If you were a staunch Labour supporter and the very hottest person on Fab wanted to shag you, would you say no if they were a staunch Tory? Really?" We’ve only ever seen profiles with a political reference going one way “ We don’t fuck tories “ for example I’m yet to see a profile stating “ we don’t fuck socialists / communists “ Me personally have never got into or stayed in a relationship because of a partners political view | |||
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"I would trust labour to run a village fair " Better than the Tories then. If the Tories were running a village fair, they'd give all the money to their mates then blame another village for the failure of the fair. | |||
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"I would trust labour to run a village fair " They cannot win elections so maybe a village fair is maybe where Labour should set their sights | |||
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"I would trust labour to run a village fair They cannot win elections so maybe a village fair is maybe where Labour should set their sights " I'm not particularly a fan of Labour - or any party - but a glance at history shows they have won elections before. More than once, actually. Who do you think will win the next election here? | |||
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"Wrong question OP, you should be asking why would anyone with a brain cell ever trust a Tory? I mean c’mon, you wouldn’t kiss a Tory would ya? Why would you ever trust a Tory again with your schools, your NHS, your economy, your pensions, your kids future, your food safety standards, your justice system, your standards in public life, your country’s reputation and standing on the world stage? There is literal shit flowing freely in some of the most beautiful stretches of water and you can’t see that as a metaphor for how the Tories have ruined this country? I feel the deepest sympathy for whoever forms the next government because I know if there’s anything left of this country by the next election, the Tories will have done their best to destroy it or steal it. Lying, stealing, corrupt, smooth-talking, genuinely evil little fuckers. But yeah, apart from that, yeah I would trust Labour. Total tangent alert here but...do people really decide on their sexual partners based on their politics? I understand why you would for relationships. But do swingers really care when the blood has rushed to the little brain? If you were a staunch Labour supporter and the very hottest person on Fab wanted to shag you, would you say no if they were a staunch Tory? Really? We’ve only ever seen profiles with a political reference going one way “ We don’t fuck tories “ for example I’m yet to see a profile stating “ we don’t fuck socialists / communists “ Me personally have never got into or stayed in a relationship because of a partners political view " “We don’t fuck Tories” is that a form of cancel culture? Not seeing profiles saying “we don’t fuck socialists/communists” might be because they are already being shafted | |||
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"Wrong question OP, you should be asking why would anyone with a brain cell ever trust a Tory? I mean c’mon, you wouldn’t kiss a Tory would ya? Why would you ever trust a Tory again with your schools, your NHS, your economy, your pensions, your kids future, your food safety standards, your justice system, your standards in public life, your country’s reputation and standing on the world stage? There is literal shit flowing freely in some of the most beautiful stretches of water and you can’t see that as a metaphor for how the Tories have ruined this country? I feel the deepest sympathy for whoever forms the next government because I know if there’s anything left of this country by the next election, the Tories will have done their best to destroy it or steal it. Lying, stealing, corrupt, smooth-talking, genuinely evil little fuckers. But yeah, apart from that, yeah I would trust Labour. Total tangent alert here but...do people really decide on their sexual partners based on their politics? I understand why you would for relationships. But do swingers really care when the blood has rushed to the little brain? If you were a staunch Labour supporter and the very hottest person on Fab wanted to shag you, would you say no if they were a staunch Tory? Really? We’ve only ever seen profiles with a political reference going one way “ We don’t fuck tories “ for example I’m yet to see a profile stating “ we don’t fuck socialists / communists “ Me personally have never got into or stayed in a relationship because of a partners political view “We don’t fuck Tories” is that a form of cancel culture? Not seeing profiles saying “we don’t fuck socialists/communists” might be because they are already being shafted "I thought labour voters would be all about equal opportunities, I'm shocked they are proving to be so selective. I bet there is an"ism" for this, I just haven't heard of it. torism, leanism, selectism someone will come along and tell me I'm sure | |||
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"Wrong question OP, you should be asking why would anyone with a brain cell ever trust a Tory? I mean c’mon, you wouldn’t kiss a Tory would ya? Why would you ever trust a Tory again with your schools, your NHS, your economy, your pensions, your kids future, your food safety standards, your justice system, your standards in public life, your country’s reputation and standing on the world stage? There is literal shit flowing freely in some of the most beautiful stretches of water and you can’t see that as a metaphor for how the Tories have ruined this country? I feel the deepest sympathy for whoever forms the next government because I know if there’s anything left of this country by the next election, the Tories will have done their best to destroy it or steal it. Lying, stealing, corrupt, smooth-talking, genuinely evil little fuckers. But yeah, apart from that, yeah I would trust Labour. Total tangent alert here but...do people really decide on their sexual partners based on their politics? I understand why you would for relationships. But do swingers really care when the blood has rushed to the little brain? If you were a staunch Labour supporter and the very hottest person on Fab wanted to shag you, would you say no if they were a staunch Tory? Really? We’ve only ever seen profiles with a political reference going one way “ We don’t fuck tories “ for example I’m yet to see a profile stating “ we don’t fuck socialists / communists “ Me personally have never got into or stayed in a relationship because of a partners political view “We don’t fuck Tories” is that a form of cancel culture? Not seeing profiles saying “we don’t fuck socialists/communists” might be because they are already being shafted
I thought labour voters would be all about equal opportunities, I'm shocked they are proving to be so selective. I bet there is an"ism" for this, I just haven't heard of it.
torism, leanism, selectism someone will come along and tell me I'm sure "How do you know they were labour voters?? | |||
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"Wrong question OP, you should be asking why would anyone with a brain cell ever trust a Tory? I mean c’mon, you wouldn’t kiss a Tory would ya? Why would you ever trust a Tory again with your schools, your NHS, your economy, your pensions, your kids future, your food safety standards, your justice system, your standards in public life, your country’s reputation and standing on the world stage? There is literal shit flowing freely in some of the most beautiful stretches of water and you can’t see that as a metaphor for how the Tories have ruined this country? I feel the deepest sympathy for whoever forms the next government because I know if there’s anything left of this country by the next election, the Tories will have done their best to destroy it or steal it. Lying, stealing, corrupt, smooth-talking, genuinely evil little fuckers. But yeah, apart from that, yeah I would trust Labour. Total tangent alert here but...do people really decide on their sexual partners based on their politics? I understand why you would for relationships. But do swingers really care when the blood has rushed to the little brain? If you were a staunch Labour supporter and the very hottest person on Fab wanted to shag you, would you say no if they were a staunch Tory? Really? We’ve only ever seen profiles with a political reference going one way “ We don’t fuck tories “ for example I’m yet to see a profile stating “ we don’t fuck socialists / communists “ Me personally have never got into or stayed in a relationship because of a partners political view “We don’t fuck Tories” is that a form of cancel culture? Not seeing profiles saying “we don’t fuck socialists/communists” might be because they are already being shafted
I thought labour voters would be all about equal opportunities, I'm shocked they are proving to be so selective. I bet there is an"ism" for this, I just haven't heard of it.
torism, leanism, selectism someone will come along and tell me I'm sure
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"Wrong question OP, you should be asking why would anyone with a brain cell ever trust a Tory? I mean c’mon, you wouldn’t kiss a Tory would ya? Why would you ever trust a Tory again with your schools, your NHS, your economy, your pensions, your kids future, your food safety standards, your justice system, your standards in public life, your country’s reputation and standing on the world stage? There is literal shit flowing freely in some of the most beautiful stretches of water and you can’t see that as a metaphor for how the Tories have ruined this country? I feel the deepest sympathy for whoever forms the next government because I know if there’s anything left of this country by the next election, the Tories will have done their best to destroy it or steal it. Lying, stealing, corrupt, smooth-talking, genuinely evil little fuckers. But yeah, apart from that, yeah I would trust Labour. Total tangent alert here but...do people really decide on their sexual partners based on their politics? I understand why you would for relationships. But do swingers really care when the blood has rushed to the little brain? If you were a staunch Labour supporter and the very hottest person on Fab wanted to shag you, would you say no if they were a staunch Tory? Really? We’ve only ever seen profiles with a political reference going one way “ We don’t fuck tories “ for example I’m yet to see a profile stating “ we don’t fuck socialists / communists “ Me personally have never got into or stayed in a relationship because of a partners political view “We don’t fuck Tories” is that a form of cancel culture? Not seeing profiles saying “we don’t fuck socialists/communists” might be because they are already being shafted
I thought labour voters would be all about equal opportunities, I'm shocked they are proving to be so selective. I bet there is an"ism" for this, I just haven't heard of it.
torism, leanism, selectism someone will come along and tell me I'm sure
How do you know they were labour voters??
Damn, that's me not being an equal opportunist! "You have to remember , 56.6 % the country don’t want the tories in government ,  | |||
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"Wrong question OP, you should be asking why would anyone with a brain cell ever trust a Tory? I mean c’mon, you wouldn’t kiss a Tory would ya? Why would you ever trust a Tory again with your schools, your NHS, your economy, your pensions, your kids future, your food safety standards, your justice system, your standards in public life, your country’s reputation and standing on the world stage? There is literal shit flowing freely in some of the most beautiful stretches of water and you can’t see that as a metaphor for how the Tories have ruined this country? I feel the deepest sympathy for whoever forms the next government because I know if there’s anything left of this country by the next election, the Tories will have done their best to destroy it or steal it. Lying, stealing, corrupt, smooth-talking, genuinely evil little fuckers. But yeah, apart from that, yeah I would trust Labour. Total tangent alert here but...do people really decide on their sexual partners based on their politics? I understand why you would for relationships. But do swingers really care when the blood has rushed to the little brain? If you were a staunch Labour supporter and the very hottest person on Fab wanted to shag you, would you say no if they were a staunch Tory? Really? We’ve only ever seen profiles with a political reference going one way “ We don’t fuck tories “ for example I’m yet to see a profile stating “ we don’t fuck socialists / communists “ Me personally have never got into or stayed in a relationship because of a partners political view “We don’t fuck Tories” is that a form of cancel culture? Not seeing profiles saying “we don’t fuck socialists/communists” might be because they are already being shafted
I thought labour voters would be all about equal opportunities, I'm shocked they are proving to be so selective. I bet there is an"ism" for this, I just haven't heard of it.
torism, leanism, selectism someone will come along and tell me I'm sure "Ah but FAB is not the real world. It is like The Matrix with a whole other layer of rules. Seems like if you are a single male Tory voter who is straight then you got no chance being fucked. The bi ones should do ok as men are less fussy (especially if blood is flowing to the little brain). But a very hot single female who openly claimed Adolf Hitler was her hero would still get a tonne of action.
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"Wrong question OP, you should be asking why would anyone with a brain cell ever trust a Tory? I mean c’mon, you wouldn’t kiss a Tory would ya? Why would you ever trust a Tory again with your schools, your NHS, your economy, your pensions, your kids future, your food safety standards, your justice system, your standards in public life, your country’s reputation and standing on the world stage? There is literal shit flowing freely in some of the most beautiful stretches of water and you can’t see that as a metaphor for how the Tories have ruined this country? I feel the deepest sympathy for whoever forms the next government because I know if there’s anything left of this country by the next election, the Tories will have done their best to destroy it or steal it. Lying, stealing, corrupt, smooth-talking, genuinely evil little fuckers. But yeah, apart from that, yeah I would trust Labour. Total tangent alert here but...do people really decide on their sexual partners based on their politics? I understand why you would for relationships. But do swingers really care when the blood has rushed to the little brain? If you were a staunch Labour supporter and the very hottest person on Fab wanted to shag you, would you say no if they were a staunch Tory? Really? We’ve only ever seen profiles with a political reference going one way “ We don’t fuck tories “ for example I’m yet to see a profile stating “ we don’t fuck socialists / communists “ Me personally have never got into or stayed in a relationship because of a partners political view “We don’t fuck Tories” is that a form of cancel culture? Not seeing profiles saying “we don’t fuck socialists/communists” might be because they are already being shafted
I thought labour voters would be all about equal opportunities, I'm shocked they are proving to be so selective. I bet there is an"ism" for this, I just haven't heard of it.
torism, leanism, selectism someone will come along and tell me I'm sure
How do you know they were labour voters??
Damn, that's me not being an equal opportunist!
You have to remember , 56.6 % the country don’t want the tories in government , "going by that logic again, being a tory voter statistically will give you more getting laid opportunities over any other party. I do feel for the Lib Dems now... I can see a new election slogan coming along. | |||
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"Wrong question OP, you should be asking why would anyone with a brain cell ever trust a Tory? I mean c’mon, you wouldn’t kiss a Tory would ya? Why would you ever trust a Tory again with your schools, your NHS, your economy, your pensions, your kids future, your food safety standards, your justice system, your standards in public life, your country’s reputation and standing on the world stage? There is literal shit flowing freely in some of the most beautiful stretches of water and you can’t see that as a metaphor for how the Tories have ruined this country? I feel the deepest sympathy for whoever forms the next government because I know if there’s anything left of this country by the next election, the Tories will have done their best to destroy it or steal it. Lying, stealing, corrupt, smooth-talking, genuinely evil little fuckers. But yeah, apart from that, yeah I would trust Labour. Total tangent alert here but...do people really decide on their sexual partners based on their politics? I understand why you would for relationships. But do swingers really care when the blood has rushed to the little brain? If you were a staunch Labour supporter and the very hottest person on Fab wanted to shag you, would you say no if they were a staunch Tory? Really? We’ve only ever seen profiles with a political reference going one way “ We don’t fuck tories “ for example I’m yet to see a profile stating “ we don’t fuck socialists / communists “ Me personally have never got into or stayed in a relationship because of a partners political view “We don’t fuck Tories” is that a form of cancel culture? Not seeing profiles saying “we don’t fuck socialists/communists” might be because they are already being shafted
I thought labour voters would be all about equal opportunities, I'm shocked they are proving to be so selective. I bet there is an"ism" for this, I just haven't heard of it.
torism, leanism, selectism someone will come along and tell me I'm sure
How do you know they were labour voters??
Damn, that's me not being an equal opportunist!
You have to remember , 56.6 % the country don’t want the tories in government ,
going by that logic again, being a tory voter statistically will give you more getting laid opportunities over any other party.
I do feel for the Lib Dems now...
I can see a new election slogan coming along.
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"Wrong question OP, you should be asking why would anyone with a brain cell ever trust a Tory? I mean c’mon, you wouldn’t kiss a Tory would ya? Why would you ever trust a Tory again with your schools, your NHS, your economy, your pensions, your kids future, your food safety standards, your justice system, your standards in public life, your country’s reputation and standing on the world stage? There is literal shit flowing freely in some of the most beautiful stretches of water and you can’t see that as a metaphor for how the Tories have ruined this country? I feel the deepest sympathy for whoever forms the next government because I know if there’s anything left of this country by the next election, the Tories will have done their best to destroy it or steal it. Lying, stealing, corrupt, smooth-talking, genuinely evil little fuckers. But yeah, apart from that, yeah I would trust Labour. Total tangent alert here but...do people really decide on their sexual partners based on their politics? I understand why you would for relationships. But do swingers really care when the blood has rushed to the little brain? If you were a staunch Labour supporter and the very hottest person on Fab wanted to shag you, would you say no if they were a staunch Tory? Really? We’ve only ever seen profiles with a political reference going one way “ We don’t fuck tories “ for example I’m yet to see a profile stating “ we don’t fuck socialists / communists “ Me personally have never got into or stayed in a relationship because of a partners political view “We don’t fuck Tories” is that a form of cancel culture? Not seeing profiles saying “we don’t fuck socialists/communists” might be because they are already being shafted
I thought labour voters would be all about equal opportunities, I'm shocked they are proving to be so selective. I bet there is an"ism" for this, I just haven't heard of it.
torism, leanism, selectism someone will come along and tell me I'm sure
How do you know they were labour voters??
Damn, that's me not being an equal opportunist!
You have to remember , 56.6 % the country don’t want the tories in government ,
going by that logic again, being a tory voter statistically will give you more getting laid opportunities over any other party.
I do feel for the Lib Dems now...
I can see a new election slogan coming along.
Imagine being in UKIP. No wonder they are so angry!" | |||
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"Wrong question OP, you should be asking why would anyone with a brain cell ever trust a Tory? I mean c’mon, you wouldn’t kiss a Tory would ya? Why would you ever trust a Tory again with your schools, your NHS, your economy, your pensions, your kids future, your food safety standards, your justice system, your standards in public life, your country’s reputation and standing on the world stage? There is literal shit flowing freely in some of the most beautiful stretches of water and you can’t see that as a metaphor for how the Tories have ruined this country? I feel the deepest sympathy for whoever forms the next government because I know if there’s anything left of this country by the next election, the Tories will have done their best to destroy it or steal it. Lying, stealing, corrupt, smooth-talking, genuinely evil little fuckers. But yeah, apart from that, yeah I would trust Labour. Total tangent alert here but...do people really decide on their sexual partners based on their politics? I understand why you would for relationships. But do swingers really care when the blood has rushed to the little brain? If you were a staunch Labour supporter and the very hottest person on Fab wanted to shag you, would you say no if they were a staunch Tory? Really? We’ve only ever seen profiles with a political reference going one way “ We don’t fuck tories “ for example I’m yet to see a profile stating “ we don’t fuck socialists / communists “ Me personally have never got into or stayed in a relationship because of a partners political view “We don’t fuck Tories” is that a form of cancel culture? Not seeing profiles saying “we don’t fuck socialists/communists” might be because they are already being shafted
I thought labour voters would be all about equal opportunities, I'm shocked they are proving to be so selective. I bet there is an"ism" for this, I just haven't heard of it.
torism, leanism, selectism someone will come along and tell me I'm sure
How do you know they were labour voters??
Damn, that's me not being an equal opportunist!
You have to remember , 56.6 % the country don’t want the tories in government ,
going by that logic again, being a tory voter statistically will give you more getting laid opportunities over any other party.
I do feel for the Lib Dems now...
I can see a new election slogan coming along.
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"Wrong question OP, you should be asking why would anyone with a brain cell ever trust a Tory? I mean c’mon, you wouldn’t kiss a Tory would ya? Why would you ever trust a Tory again with your schools, your NHS, your economy, your pensions, your kids future, your food safety standards, your justice system, your standards in public life, your country’s reputation and standing on the world stage? There is literal shit flowing freely in some of the most beautiful stretches of water and you can’t see that as a metaphor for how the Tories have ruined this country? I feel the deepest sympathy for whoever forms the next government because I know if there’s anything left of this country by the next election, the Tories will have done their best to destroy it or steal it. Lying, stealing, corrupt, smooth-talking, genuinely evil little fuckers. But yeah, apart from that, yeah I would trust Labour. Total tangent alert here but...do people really decide on their sexual partners based on their politics? I understand why you would for relationships. But do swingers really care when the blood has rushed to the little brain? If you were a staunch Labour supporter and the very hottest person on Fab wanted to shag you, would you say no if they were a staunch Tory? Really? We’ve only ever seen profiles with a political reference going one way “ We don’t fuck tories “ for example I’m yet to see a profile stating “ we don’t fuck socialists / communists “ Me personally have never got into or stayed in a relationship because of a partners political view “We don’t fuck Tories” is that a form of cancel culture? Not seeing profiles saying “we don’t fuck socialists/communists” might be because they are already being shafted
I thought labour voters would be all about equal opportunities, I'm shocked they are proving to be so selective. I bet there is an"ism" for this, I just haven't heard of it.
torism, leanism, selectism someone will come along and tell me I'm sure
How do you know they were labour voters??
Damn, that's me not being an equal opportunist!
You have to remember , 56.6 % the country don’t want the tories in government ,
going by that logic again, being a tory voter statistically will give you more getting laid opportunities over any other party.
I do feel for the Lib Dems now...
I can see a new election slogan coming along.
Nope, what do all the other parties have in common? They all hate the tories "Oh Fabsy, those pesky tories have got right under your skin
Looking at the the Lib Dem wins, (as you mentioned them earlier and appear to have a soft spot for the underdog), I think a move to Westmorland could do you wonders.
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"Wrong question OP, you should be asking why would anyone with a brain cell ever trust a Tory? I mean c’mon, you wouldn’t kiss a Tory would ya? Why would you ever trust a Tory again with your schools, your NHS, your economy, your pensions, your kids future, your food safety standards, your justice system, your standards in public life, your country’s reputation and standing on the world stage? There is literal shit flowing freely in some of the most beautiful stretches of water and you can’t see that as a metaphor for how the Tories have ruined this country? I feel the deepest sympathy for whoever forms the next government because I know if there’s anything left of this country by the next election, the Tories will have done their best to destroy it or steal it. Lying, stealing, corrupt, smooth-talking, genuinely evil little fuckers. But yeah, apart from that, yeah I would trust Labour. Total tangent alert here but...do people really decide on their sexual partners based on their politics? I understand why you would for relationships. But do swingers really care when the blood has rushed to the little brain? If you were a staunch Labour supporter and the very hottest person on Fab wanted to shag you, would you say no if they were a staunch Tory? Really? We’ve only ever seen profiles with a political reference going one way “ We don’t fuck tories “ for example I’m yet to see a profile stating “ we don’t fuck socialists / communists “ Me personally have never got into or stayed in a relationship because of a partners political view “We don’t fuck Tories” is that a form of cancel culture? Not seeing profiles saying “we don’t fuck socialists/communists” might be because they are already being shafted "No comment is probably best here | |||
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"Wrong question OP, you should be asking why would anyone with a brain cell ever trust a Tory? I mean c’mon, you wouldn’t kiss a Tory would ya? Why would you ever trust a Tory again with your schools, your NHS, your economy, your pensions, your kids future, your food safety standards, your justice system, your standards in public life, your country’s reputation and standing on the world stage? There is literal shit flowing freely in some of the most beautiful stretches of water and you can’t see that as a metaphor for how the Tories have ruined this country? I feel the deepest sympathy for whoever forms the next government because I know if there’s anything left of this country by the next election, the Tories will have done their best to destroy it or steal it. Lying, stealing, corrupt, smooth-talking, genuinely evil little fuckers. But yeah, apart from that, yeah I would trust Labour. Total tangent alert here but...do people really decide on their sexual partners based on their politics? I understand why you would for relationships. But do swingers really care when the blood has rushed to the little brain? If you were a staunch Labour supporter and the very hottest person on Fab wanted to shag you, would you say no if they were a staunch Tory? Really? We’ve only ever seen profiles with a political reference going one way “ We don’t fuck tories “ for example I’m yet to see a profile stating “ we don’t fuck socialists / communists “ Me personally have never got into or stayed in a relationship because of a partners political view “We don’t fuck Tories” is that a form of cancel culture? Not seeing profiles saying “we don’t fuck socialists/communists” might be because they are already being shafted
I thought labour voters would be all about equal opportunities, I'm shocked they are proving to be so selective. I bet there is an"ism" for this, I just haven't heard of it.
torism, leanism, selectism someone will come along and tell me I'm sure
How do you know they were labour voters??
Damn, that's me not being an equal opportunist!
You have to remember , 56.6 % the country don’t want the tories in government ,
going by that logic again, being a tory voter statistically will give you more getting laid opportunities over any other party.
I do feel for the Lib Dems now...
I can see a new election slogan coming along.
Nope, what do all the other parties have in common? They all hate the tories
Oh Fabsy, those pesky tories have got right under your skin
Looking at the the Lib Dem wins, (as you mentioned them earlier and appear to have a soft spot for the underdog), I think a move to Westmorland could do you wonders.
You might get laid and there is a definite lack of tories there "No need, I love living in greater Manchester, we have a fantastic mayor and some great local MPs, I don’t hate the tories, but they are not popular around here | |||
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"Wrong question OP, you should be asking why would anyone with a brain cell ever trust a Tory? I mean c’mon, you wouldn’t kiss a Tory would ya? Why would you ever trust a Tory again with your schools, your NHS, your economy, your pensions, your kids future, your food safety standards, your justice system, your standards in public life, your country’s reputation and standing on the world stage? There is literal shit flowing freely in some of the most beautiful stretches of water and you can’t see that as a metaphor for how the Tories have ruined this country? I feel the deepest sympathy for whoever forms the next government because I know if there’s anything left of this country by the next election, the Tories will have done their best to destroy it or steal it. Lying, stealing, corrupt, smooth-talking, genuinely evil little fuckers. But yeah, apart from that, yeah I would trust Labour. Total tangent alert here but...do people really decide on their sexual partners based on their politics? I understand why you would for relationships. But do swingers really care when the blood has rushed to the little brain? If you were a staunch Labour supporter and the very hottest person on Fab wanted to shag you, would you say no if they were a staunch Tory? Really? We’ve only ever seen profiles with a political reference going one way “ We don’t fuck tories “ for example I’m yet to see a profile stating “ we don’t fuck socialists / communists “ Me personally have never got into or stayed in a relationship because of a partners political view “We don’t fuck Tories” is that a form of cancel culture? Not seeing profiles saying “we don’t fuck socialists/communists” might be because they are already being shafted
I thought labour voters would be all about equal opportunities, I'm shocked they are proving to be so selective. I bet there is an"ism" for this, I just haven't heard of it.
torism, leanism, selectism someone will come along and tell me I'm sure "They would definitely be labour voters | |||
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"Trust Labour? Ha ha ha ha ha Not on your nellie. They only know two words when it comes to the economy. Tax and Spend, and every time they've been in office they've left the country on the verge of bankruptcy and unemployment higher than when they took office." We have had 13 years of Tory governments, Inflation at a 40 year high Living standards are at a 40 year low Millions on strike The economy is on its arse | |||
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"Wrong question OP, you should be asking why would anyone with a brain cell ever trust a Tory? I mean c’mon, you wouldn’t kiss a Tory would ya? Why would you ever trust a Tory again with your schools, your NHS, your economy, your pensions, your kids future, your food safety standards, your justice system, your standards in public life, your country’s reputation and standing on the world stage? There is literal shit flowing freely in some of the most beautiful stretches of water and you can’t see that as a metaphor for how the Tories have ruined this country? I feel the deepest sympathy for whoever forms the next government because I know if there’s anything left of this country by the next election, the Tories will have done their best to destroy it or steal it. Lying, stealing, corrupt, smooth-talking, genuinely evil little fuckers. But yeah, apart from that, yeah I would trust Labour. Total tangent alert here but...do people really decide on their sexual partners based on their politics? I understand why you would for relationships. But do swingers really care when the blood has rushed to the little brain? If you were a staunch Labour supporter and the very hottest person on Fab wanted to shag you, would you say no if they were a staunch Tory? Really? We’ve only ever seen profiles with a political reference going one way “ We don’t fuck tories “ for example I’m yet to see a profile stating “ we don’t fuck socialists / communists “ Me personally have never got into or stayed in a relationship because of a partners political view “We don’t fuck Tories” is that a form of cancel culture? Not seeing profiles saying “we don’t fuck socialists/communists” might be because they are already being shafted
I thought labour voters would be all about equal opportunities, I'm shocked they are proving to be so selective. I bet there is an"ism" for this, I just haven't heard of it.
torism, leanism, selectism someone will come along and tell me I'm sure
They would definitely be labour voters "Lefties (ie men who dress to the left) are well known to have the nicest cocks | |||
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"Wrong question OP, you should be asking why would anyone with a brain cell ever trust a Tory? I mean c’mon, you wouldn’t kiss a Tory would ya? Why would you ever trust a Tory again with your schools, your NHS, your economy, your pensions, your kids future, your food safety standards, your justice system, your standards in public life, your country’s reputation and standing on the world stage? There is literal shit flowing freely in some of the most beautiful stretches of water and you can’t see that as a metaphor for how the Tories have ruined this country? I feel the deepest sympathy for whoever forms the next government because I know if there’s anything left of this country by the next election, the Tories will have done their best to destroy it or steal it. Lying, stealing, corrupt, smooth-talking, genuinely evil little fuckers. But yeah, apart from that, yeah I would trust Labour. Total tangent alert here but...do people really decide on their sexual partners based on their politics? I understand why you would for relationships. But do swingers really care when the blood has rushed to the little brain? If you were a staunch Labour supporter and the very hottest person on Fab wanted to shag you, would you say no if they were a staunch Tory? Really? We’ve only ever seen profiles with a political reference going one way “ We don’t fuck tories “ for example I’m yet to see a profile stating “ we don’t fuck socialists / communists “ Me personally have never got into or stayed in a relationship because of a partners political view “We don’t fuck Tories” is that a form of cancel culture? Not seeing profiles saying “we don’t fuck socialists/communists” might be because they are already being shafted
I thought labour voters would be all about equal opportunities, I'm shocked they are proving to be so selective. I bet there is an"ism" for this, I just haven't heard of it.
torism, leanism, selectism someone will come along and tell me I'm sure
They would definitely be labour voters "They might be reform party voters , they hate the tories | |||
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"Wrong question OP, you should be asking why would anyone with a brain cell ever trust a Tory? I mean c’mon, you wouldn’t kiss a Tory would ya? Why would you ever trust a Tory again with your schools, your NHS, your economy, your pensions, your kids future, your food safety standards, your justice system, your standards in public life, your country’s reputation and standing on the world stage? There is literal shit flowing freely in some of the most beautiful stretches of water and you can’t see that as a metaphor for how the Tories have ruined this country? I feel the deepest sympathy for whoever forms the next government because I know if there’s anything left of this country by the next election, the Tories will have done their best to destroy it or steal it. Lying, stealing, corrupt, smooth-talking, genuinely evil little fuckers. But yeah, apart from that, yeah I would trust Labour. Total tangent alert here but...do people really decide on their sexual partners based on their politics? I understand why you would for relationships. But do swingers really care when the blood has rushed to the little brain? If you were a staunch Labour supporter and the very hottest person on Fab wanted to shag you, would you say no if they were a staunch Tory? Really? We’ve only ever seen profiles with a political reference going one way “ We don’t fuck tories “ for example I’m yet to see a profile stating “ we don’t fuck socialists / communists “ Me personally have never got into or stayed in a relationship because of a partners political view “We don’t fuck Tories” is that a form of cancel culture? Not seeing profiles saying “we don’t fuck socialists/communists” might be because they are already being shafted
I thought labour voters would be all about equal opportunities, I'm shocked they are proving to be so selective. I bet there is an"ism" for this, I just haven't heard of it.
torism, leanism, selectism someone will come along and tell me I'm sure
They would definitely be labour voters
They might be reform party voters , they hate the tories "Speak for all of them do you? | |||
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"If you’re a Tory (my sympathies) and you’re getting all hot n bothered about “cancel” culture and omg no one wants to shag me cos I’m a c**t, you are kinda missing the point. It’s not because you’re a Tory exactly that I would find you repulsive but rather what you represent and what you stand for. I could compile a list but that would really really annoy me all over again. Anyway, it’s a well known fact that all the hottest people who have ever lived have all been socialists and anti-fascists. Without exception, before you all come at me with Maggie Thatchers ankles and cringey stuff like that. Vice la revolution and all that shit. Tory scum out. " I salute your bravery. I hope you have impressive filters on your profile to stave off the inevitable avalanche of furious, incoherent messages | |||
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"Wrong question OP, you should be asking why would anyone with a brain cell ever trust a Tory? I mean c’mon, you wouldn’t kiss a Tory would ya? Why would you ever trust a Tory again with your schools, your NHS, your economy, your pensions, your kids future, your food safety standards, your justice system, your standards in public life, your country’s reputation and standing on the world stage? There is literal shit flowing freely in some of the most beautiful stretches of water and you can’t see that as a metaphor for how the Tories have ruined this country? I feel the deepest sympathy for whoever forms the next government because I know if there’s anything left of this country by the next election, the Tories will have done their best to destroy it or steal it. Lying, stealing, corrupt, smooth-talking, genuinely evil little fuckers. But yeah, apart from that, yeah I would trust Labour. Total tangent alert here but...do people really decide on their sexual partners based on their politics? I understand why you would for relationships. But do swingers really care when the blood has rushed to the little brain? If you were a staunch Labour supporter and the very hottest person on Fab wanted to shag you, would you say no if they were a staunch Tory? Really? We’ve only ever seen profiles with a political reference going one way “ We don’t fuck tories “ for example I’m yet to see a profile stating “ we don’t fuck socialists / communists “ Me personally have never got into or stayed in a relationship because of a partners political view “We don’t fuck Tories” is that a form of cancel culture? Not seeing profiles saying “we don’t fuck socialists/communists” might be because they are already being shafted
I thought labour voters would be all about equal opportunities, I'm shocked they are proving to be so selective. I bet there is an"ism" for this, I just haven't heard of it.
torism, leanism, selectism someone will come along and tell me I'm sure
They would definitely be labour voters
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"If you’re a Tory (my sympathies) and you’re getting all hot n bothered about “cancel” culture and omg no one wants to shag me cos I’m a c**t, you are kinda missing the point. It’s not because you’re a Tory exactly that I would find you repulsive but rather what you represent and what you stand for. I could compile a list but that would really really annoy me all over again. Anyway, it’s a well known fact that all the hottest people who have ever lived have all been socialists and anti-fascists. Without exception, before you all come at me with Maggie Thatchers ankles and cringey stuff like that. Vice la revolution and all that shit. Tory scum out. I salute your bravery. I hope you have impressive filters on your profile to stave off the inevitable avalanche of furious, incoherent messages "My message was actually very nice  | |||
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"If you’re a Tory (my sympathies) and you’re getting all hot n bothered about “cancel” culture and omg no one wants to shag me cos I’m a c**t, you are kinda missing the point. It’s not because you’re a Tory exactly that I would find you repulsive but rather what you represent and what you stand for. I could compile a list but that would really really annoy me all over again. Anyway, it’s a well known fact that all the hottest people who have ever lived have all been socialists and anti-fascists. Without exception, before you all come at me with Maggie Thatchers ankles and cringey stuff like that. Vice la revolution and all that shit. Tory scum out. " Why don’t you tell us how you really feel? No need to hold back | |||
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"Maybe the title of this thread should have been: do you trust any party? I'd bet most people would answer: no. Politicians have had a bad rep for a long time. Sometimes deservedly so. But Johnson's relentless lying & trashing of standards/rules/morals has dragged the reputation of politics in this country into the sewer. I suspect distrust & contempt for politics in this country will be Johnson's real legacy for many years to come." lol its been that way for years only difference between johnson and the rest of them is he was blatantly obvious about it, those before him knew how to keep the mushrooms in the dark while feeding em bullshit | |||
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"Wrong question OP, you should be asking why would anyone with a brain cell ever trust a Tory? I mean c’mon, you wouldn’t kiss a Tory would ya? Why would you ever trust a Tory again with your schools, your NHS, your economy, your pensions, your kids future, your food safety standards, your justice system, your standards in public life, your country’s reputation and standing on the world stage? There is literal shit flowing freely in some of the most beautiful stretches of water and you can’t see that as a metaphor for how the Tories have ruined this country? I feel the deepest sympathy for whoever forms the next government because I know if there’s anything left of this country by the next election, the Tories will have done their best to destroy it or steal it. Lying, stealing, corrupt, smooth-talking, genuinely evil little fuckers. But yeah, apart from that, yeah I would trust Labour. Total tangent alert here but...do people really decide on their sexual partners based on their politics? I understand why you would for relationships. But do swingers really care when the blood has rushed to the little brain? If you were a staunch Labour supporter and the very hottest person on Fab wanted to shag you, would you say no if they were a staunch Tory? Really? We’ve only ever seen profiles with a political reference going one way “ We don’t fuck tories “ for example I’m yet to see a profile stating “ we don’t fuck socialists / communists “ Me personally have never got into or stayed in a relationship because of a partners political view “We don’t fuck Tories” is that a form of cancel culture? Not seeing profiles saying “we don’t fuck socialists/communists” might be because they are already being shafted
I thought labour voters would be all about equal opportunities, I'm shocked they are proving to be so selective. I bet there is an"ism" for this, I just haven't heard of it.
torism, leanism, selectism someone will come along and tell me I'm sure
They would definitely be labour voters
They might be reform party voters , they hate the tories
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"Maybe the title of this thread should have been: do you trust any party? I'd bet most people would answer: no. Politicians have had a bad rep for a long time. Sometimes deservedly so. But Johnson's relentless lying & trashing of standards/rules/morals has dragged the reputation of politics in this country into the sewer. I suspect distrust & contempt for politics in this country will be Johnson's real legacy for many years to come.lol its been that way for years only difference between johnson and the rest of them is he was blatantly obvious about it, those before him knew how to keep the mushrooms in the dark while feeding em bullshit" This. People make it out like Johnson was the worst. In a way he wasn't the worst, because at least he openly went about it and didn't try to act like he was a saint or some sort of "gentleman" politician/statesman. If people want to talk about who's really ruined the reputation of politics as a whole in the UK, look no further than the Lib Dems with Nick Clegg, Tim Farron and Jo Swinson. Nobody has done more than them in putting a stake through the idea of nonpartisan coalition/consensus politics as a desirable thing for British society. | |||
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"I can't see the Tories winning the next election, but it comes down to trust in the opposition. Do you trust Labour? I trust them more than the tories "this | |||
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"I can't see the Tories winning the next election, but it comes down to trust in the opposition. Do you trust Labour?" trust no politician | |||
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"Maybe the title of this thread should have been: do you trust any party? I'd bet most people would answer: no. Politicians have had a bad rep for a long time. Sometimes deservedly so. But Johnson's relentless lying & trashing of standards/rules/morals has dragged the reputation of politics in this country into the sewer. I suspect distrust & contempt for politics in this country will be Johnson's real legacy for many years to come.lol its been that way for years only difference between johnson and the rest of them is he was blatantly obvious about it, those before him knew how to keep the mushrooms in the dark while feeding em bullshit This. People make it out like Johnson was the worst. In a way he wasn't the worst, because at least he openly went about it and didn't try to act like he was a saint or some sort of "gentleman" politician/statesman. If people want to talk about who's really ruined the reputation of politics as a whole in the UK, look no further than the Lib Dems with Nick Clegg, Tim Farron and Jo Swinson. Nobody has done more than them in putting a stake through the idea of nonpartisan coalition/consensus politics as a desirable thing for British society. " Johnson really was the worst, though. Certainly in modern history. He lied so much & trashed rules/standards at every opportunity. | |||
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"Maybe the title of this thread should have been: do you trust any party? I'd bet most people would answer: no. Politicians have had a bad rep for a long time. Sometimes deservedly so. But Johnson's relentless lying & trashing of standards/rules/morals has dragged the reputation of politics in this country into the sewer. I suspect distrust & contempt for politics in this country will be Johnson's real legacy for many years to come.lol its been that way for years only difference between johnson and the rest of them is he was blatantly obvious about it, those before him knew how to keep the mushrooms in the dark while feeding em bullshit This. People make it out like Johnson was the worst. In a way he wasn't the worst, because at least he openly went about it and didn't try to act like he was a saint or some sort of "gentleman" politician/statesman. If people want to talk about who's really ruined the reputation of politics as a whole in the UK, look no further than the Lib Dems with Nick Clegg, Tim Farron and Jo Swinson. Nobody has done more than them in putting a stake through the idea of nonpartisan coalition/consensus politics as a desirable thing for British society. " That needs some more explanation. | |||
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"In reading that SKS is now promising to review our relationship with the EU, after previously promising to accept Brexit and prior to that campaigning for remain. If a GE had been called last week I was voting labour but now.. " Closer allignment with the EU is inevitable in some shape of form. They're our biggest trading partner, on our doorstep. Any part that's in power will have to improve on things at some point. | |||
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"In reading that SKS is now promising to review our relationship with the EU, after previously promising to accept Brexit and prior to that campaigning for remain. If a GE had been called last week I was voting labour but now.. " Surely reviewing our relationship with the EU is the only way to go. Right now we don't even have an 'acquaintance' relationship with them. Rishi seems to be going OK so far though | |||
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"In reading that SKS is now promising to review our relationship with the EU, after previously promising to accept Brexit and prior to that campaigning for remain. If a GE had been called last week I was voting labour but now.. Closer allignment with the EU is inevitable in some shape of form. They're our biggest trading partner, on our doorstep. Any part that's in power will have to improve on things at some point." Improving is one thing but Brexit indicated that the majority disagree with anything more | |||
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"In reading that SKS is now promising to review our relationship with the EU, after previously promising to accept Brexit and prior to that campaigning for remain. If a GE had been called last week I was voting labour but now.. Closer allignment with the EU is inevitable in some shape of form. They're our biggest trading partner, on our doorstep. Any part that's in power will have to improve on things at some point. Improving is one thing but Brexit indicated that the majority disagree with anything more" So what's the issue? I highly doubt Starmer said we were gonna be rejoining. He's been v careful to dodge even the spectre of that 1 for ages. | |||
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"In reading that SKS is now promising to review our relationship with the EU, after previously promising to accept Brexit and prior to that campaigning for remain. If a GE had been called last week I was voting labour but now.. " What does the phrase "review our relationship" mean to you? | |||
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"Nah I’m good x they can froth at the mouth all they want x Sounds like the only people frothing at the mouth are socialists...." Come on anyone north of Torquay is a frothing socialist. | |||
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"Nah I’m good x they can froth at the mouth all they want x Sounds like the only people frothing at the mouth are socialists.... Come on anyone north of Torquay is a frothing socialist. "I am sure there are plenty of socialists all over the country | |||
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"In reading that SKS is now promising to review our relationship with the EU, after previously promising to accept Brexit and prior to that campaigning for remain. If a GE had been called last week I was voting labour but now.. Closer allignment with the EU is inevitable in some shape of form. They're our biggest trading partner, on our doorstep. Any part that's in power will have to improve on things at some point. Improving is one thing but Brexit indicated that the majority disagree with anything more" Did it? You only voted to leave the EU , everything else was vague | |||
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"If you’re a Tory (my sympathies) and you’re getting all hot n bothered about “cancel” culture and omg no one wants to shag me cos I’m a c**t, you are kinda missing the point. It’s not because you’re a Tory exactly that I would find you repulsive but rather what you represent and what you stand for. I could compile a list but that would really really annoy me all over again. Anyway, it’s a well known fact that all the hottest people who have ever lived have all been socialists and anti-fascists. Without exception, before you all come at me with Maggie Thatchers ankles and cringey stuff like that. Vice la revolution and all that shit. Tory scum out. " OMG I think I am in love with you  | |||
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"In reading that SKS is now promising to review our relationship with the EU, after previously promising to accept Brexit and prior to that campaigning for remain. If a GE had been called last week I was voting labour but now.. Closer allignment with the EU is inevitable in some shape of form. They're our biggest trading partner, on our doorstep. Any part that's in power will have to improve on things at some point. Improving is one thing but Brexit indicated that the majority disagree with anything more Did it? You only voted to leave the EU , everything else was vague " Yes it did | |||
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"Nah I’m good x they can froth at the mouth all they want x Sounds like the only people frothing at the mouth are socialists.... Come on anyone north of Torquay is a frothing socialist.
I am sure there are plenty of socialists all over the country "Those pesky socialists sneaking around all over the place with their pesky socialism, eh? | |||
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"No the only thing this current governments going for them is during the last three years of the scamdemic Commissar Corbyn was not in charge, for sure people like me would be in a concentration camp. Give me a government who doesn't care than a bunch of commie wankers who knows whats best for you and see's you get it, whether its good for you or not any day. Also lets not forget Keir Stalin let Jimmy Saville and the r@pe gangs run riot while heading the CPS." Ah yes….why let a few facts get in the way of spouting that old bollocks about Saville. It’s a lie and you should know better than to keep peddling that old crap. Keir may be a bit boring but at least he’s not a crook…unlike so many Tory MPs and Lords | |||
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"If you’re a Tory (my sympathies) and you’re getting all hot n bothered about “cancel” culture and omg no one wants to shag me cos I’m a c**t, you are kinda missing the point. It’s not because you’re a Tory exactly that I would find you repulsive but rather what you represent and what you stand for. I could compile a list but that would really really annoy me all over again. Anyway, it’s a well known fact that all the hottest people who have ever lived have all been socialists and anti-fascists. Without exception, before you all come at me with Maggie Thatchers ankles and cringey stuff like that. Vice la revolution and all that shit. Tory scum out. OMG I think I am in love with you "Hah x I do have that effect on the nicest of men x but thank you, lovely compliment xx | |||
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"No the only thing this current governments going for them is during the last three years of the scamdemic Commissar Corbyn was not in charge, for sure people like me would be in a concentration camp. Give me a government who doesn't care than a bunch of commie wankers who knows whats best for you and see's you get it, whether its good for you or not any day. Also lets not forget Keir Stalin let Jimmy Saville and the r@pe gangs run riot while heading the CPS. Ah yes….why let a few facts get in the way of spouting that old bollocks about Saville. It’s a lie and you should know better than to keep peddling that old crap. Keir may be a bit boring but at least he’s not a crook…unlike so many Tory MPs and Lords "He knew full well what was going on and ignored it so he’s a criminal, silence implies consent in English law. Also all those politicians who scammed the country whether it’s by fraud or covid hoax should lose everything. Including the Rothschilds, that’ll solve the National Debt | |||
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"No the only thing this current governments going for them is during the last three years of the scamdemic Commissar Corbyn was not in charge, for sure people like me would be in a concentration camp. Give me a government who doesn't care than a bunch of commie wankers who knows whats best for you and see's you get it, whether its good for you or not any day. Also lets not forget Keir Stalin let Jimmy Saville and the r@pe gangs run riot while heading the CPS. Ah yes….why let a few facts get in the way of spouting that old bollocks about Saville. It’s a lie and you should know better than to keep peddling that old crap. Keir may be a bit boring but at least he’s not a crook…unlike so many Tory MPs and Lords He knew full well what was going on and ignored it so he’s a criminal, silence implies consent in English law. Also all those politicians who scammed the country whether it’s by fraud or covid hoax should lose everything. Including the Rothschilds, that’ll solve the National Debt"Quite the jumble of things you wrote there. | |||
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"For a man who voted to remain in the EU, who also wanted a second referendum after the first vote to then say he make Brexit work to then say he build a closer relationship with the EU, I don't know sounds indecisive to me why Sir Keir can't be trusted too" Why is that indecisive? Voting against Brexit is perfectly reasonable. Having a bite to decide if the Brexit deal was any good also seems perfectly reasonable considering how it has turned out. Trying to make Brexit work because we have no choice also seems reasonable. Having a closer relationship with the EU is hardly crazy considering the number of times I heard Brexiteers saying that we would have the same trading relationship with the EU as we had before. They are also our closest wealthiest neighbours. What do you think our policy towards the EU should be? Should we have a less close relationship with the EU? Should we move further away from it? | |||
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"No the only thing this current governments going for them is during the last three years of the scamdemic Commissar Corbyn was not in charge, for sure people like me would be in a concentration camp. Give me a government who doesn't care than a bunch of commie wankers who knows whats best for you and see's you get it, whether its good for you or not any day. Also lets not forget Keir Stalin let Jimmy Saville and the r@pe gangs run riot while heading the CPS. Ah yes….why let a few facts get in the way of spouting that old bollocks about Saville. It’s a lie and you should know better than to keep peddling that old crap. Keir may be a bit boring but at least he’s not a crook…unlike so many Tory MPs and Lords He knew full well what was going on and ignored it so he’s a criminal, silence implies consent in English law. Also all those politicians who scammed the country whether it’s by fraud or covid hoax should lose everything. Including the Rothschilds, that’ll solve the National Debt
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"I’m probably echoing what others have said but here’s my opinion. I trust labour to do their best for the country in whatever their beliefs lead them to think is the best way to do that. To me that is preferable to the Tories who I have no doubt could run the country well but have chosen time and again to just use that power to benefit themselves. " Unfortunately they are basically a uni party now full to the brim with career politicians that big corporations and banks run rings round. Look how Truss was replaced by Sunak the bosses wanted one of their own and were prepared to sink the markets to get it | |||
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"I’m probably echoing what others have said but here’s my opinion. I trust labour to do their best for the country in whatever their beliefs lead them to think is the best way to do that. To me that is preferable to the Tories who I have no doubt could run the country well but have chosen time and again to just use that power to benefit themselves. Unfortunately they are basically a uni party now full to the brim with career politicians that big corporations and banks run rings round. Look how Truss was replaced by Sunak the bosses wanted one of their own and were prepared to sink the markets to get it" What? You're saying that the ultra low tax, ultra free market plans of Truss were not what corporations and banks wanted? Can you explain why the "fiscal event" would have upset them? How did "they" sink the markets? What was the mechanism? | |||
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"I’m probably echoing what others have said but here’s my opinion. I trust labour to do their best for the country in whatever their beliefs lead them to think is the best way to do that. To me that is preferable to the Tories who I have no doubt could run the country well but have chosen time and again to just use that power to benefit themselves. Unfortunately they are basically a uni party now full to the brim with career politicians that big corporations and banks run rings round. Look how Truss was replaced by Sunak the bosses wanted one of their own and were prepared to sink the markets to get it" Truss was replaced because she is thick and crashed the economy | |||
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"I’m probably echoing what others have said but here’s my opinion. I trust labour to do their best for the country in whatever their beliefs lead them to think is the best way to do that. To me that is preferable to the Tories who I have no doubt could run the country well but have chosen time and again to just use that power to benefit themselves. Unfortunately they are basically a uni party now full to the brim with career politicians that big corporations and banks run rings round. Look how Truss was replaced by Sunak the bosses wanted one of their own and were prepared to sink the markets to get it Truss was replaced because she is thick and crashed the economy "She's not thick and neither is Kwarteng. Incompetent though. It's a different thing. Certainly crashed the economy. | |||
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"I’m probably echoing what others have said but here’s my opinion. I trust labour to do their best for the country in whatever their beliefs lead them to think is the best way to do that. To me that is preferable to the Tories who I have no doubt could run the country well but have chosen time and again to just use that power to benefit themselves. Unfortunately they are basically a uni party now full to the brim with career politicians that big corporations and banks run rings round. Look how Truss was replaced by Sunak the bosses wanted one of their own and were prepared to sink the markets to get it Truss was replaced because she is thick and crashed the economy
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"No the only thing this current governments going for them is during the last three years of the scamdemic Commissar Corbyn was not in charge, for sure people like me would be in a concentration camp. Give me a government who doesn't care than a bunch of commie wankers who knows whats best for you and see's you get it, whether its good for you or not any day. Also lets not forget Keir Stalin let Jimmy Saville and the r@pe gangs run riot while heading the CPS." Commie socialist wankers..... | |||
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"No the only thing this current governments going for them is during the last three years of the scamdemic Commissar Corbyn was not in charge, for sure people like me would be in a concentration camp. Give me a government who doesn't care than a bunch of commie wankers who knows whats best for you and see's you get it, whether its good for you or not any day. Also lets not forget Keir Stalin let Jimmy Saville and the r@pe gangs run riot while heading the CPS. Commie socialist wankers....." You're like the motto from a Christmas craker written by the Mail. | |||
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"I’m probably echoing what others have said but here’s my opinion. I trust labour to do their best for the country in whatever their beliefs lead them to think is the best way to do that. To me that is preferable to the Tories who I have no doubt could run the country well but have chosen time and again to just use that power to benefit themselves. Unfortunately they are basically a uni party now full to the brim with career politicians that big corporations and banks run rings round. Look how Truss was replaced by Sunak the bosses wanted one of their own and were prepared to sink the markets to get it What? You're saying that the ultra low tax, ultra free market plans of Truss were not what corporations and banks wanted? Can you explain why the "fiscal event" would have upset them? How did "they" sink the markets? What was the mechanism?" Not what the central bankers wanted the likes of the Rothschilds through the likes of of investment companies like Blackrock and Vanguard own everything starting with our tax, media, big tech they see us as insects. | |||
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"I’m probably echoing what others have said but here’s my opinion. I trust labour to do their best for the country in whatever their beliefs lead them to think is the best way to do that. To me that is preferable to the Tories who I have no doubt could run the country well but have chosen time and again to just use that power to benefit themselves. Unfortunately they are basically a uni party now full to the brim with career politicians that big corporations and banks run rings round. Look how Truss was replaced by Sunak the bosses wanted one of their own and were prepared to sink the markets to get it Truss was replaced because she is thick and crashed the economy
She's not thick and neither is Kwarteng.
Incompetent though. It's a different thing.
Certainly crashed the economy.
Not just incompetent. Incompetent & incredibly arrogant. That's the killer combo."No crashed the markets the central banks who are owned by the likes of the Rothschilds, Soros see China as the model for most of the population, they got their companies like Blackrock to sell their shares that they bought with our taxes. | |||
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"I’m probably echoing what others have said but here’s my opinion. I trust labour to do their best for the country in whatever their beliefs lead them to think is the best way to do that. To me that is preferable to the Tories who I have no doubt could run the country well but have chosen time and again to just use that power to benefit themselves. Unfortunately they are basically a uni party now full to the brim with career politicians that big corporations and banks run rings round. Look how Truss was replaced by Sunak the bosses wanted one of their own and were prepared to sink the markets to get it Truss was replaced because she is thick and crashed the economy
She's not thick and neither is Kwarteng.
Incompetent though. It's a different thing.
Certainly crashed the economy.
Not just incompetent. Incompetent & incredibly arrogant. That's the killer combo.No crashed the markets the central banks who are owned by the likes of the Rothschilds, Soros see China as the model for most of the population, they got their companies like Blackrock to sell their shares that they bought with our taxes. "Thick Lizzie was warned , she ignored the advice, she was sacked for being incompetent | |||
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"No the only thing this current governments going for them is during the last three years of the scamdemic Commissar Corbyn was not in charge, for sure people like me would be in a concentration camp. Give me a government who doesn't care than a bunch of commie wankers who knows whats best for you and see's you get it, whether its good for you or not any day. Also lets not forget Keir Stalin let Jimmy Saville and the r@pe gangs run riot while heading the CPS." Jimmy Saville was a massive Tory, Thatcher loved and knighted him | |||
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"No the only thing this current governments going for them is during the last three years of the scamdemic Commissar Corbyn was not in charge, for sure people like me would be in a concentration camp. Give me a government who doesn't care than a bunch of commie wankers who knows whats best for you and see's you get it, whether its good for you or not any day. Also lets not forget Keir Stalin let Jimmy Saville and the r@pe gangs run riot while heading the CPS. Jimmy Saville was a massive Tory, Thatcher loved and knighted him "So!! Rotherham and all those cities with r@pe gangs are Labour controlled they're all in on it | |||
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"I’m probably echoing what others have said but here’s my opinion. I trust labour to do their best for the country in whatever their beliefs lead them to think is the best way to do that. To me that is preferable to the Tories who I have no doubt could run the country well but have chosen time and again to just use that power to benefit themselves. Unfortunately they are basically a uni party now full to the brim with career politicians that big corporations and banks run rings round. Look how Truss was replaced by Sunak the bosses wanted one of their own and were prepared to sink the markets to get it Truss was replaced because she is thick and crashed the economy
She's not thick and neither is Kwarteng.
Incompetent though. It's a different thing.
Certainly crashed the economy.
Not just incompetent. Incompetent & incredibly arrogant. That's the killer combo.No crashed the markets the central banks who are owned by the likes of the Rothschilds, Soros see China as the model for most of the population, they got their companies like Blackrock to sell their shares that they bought with our taxes.
Thick Lizzie was warned , she ignored the advice, she was sacked for being incompetent
"Really she decided to go for growth in the economy, frankly its that or a huge war. But their is a third way and my preferred choice of bring to justice all those behind all the fraud, covid scam and vaccine injuries and seize their assets, no National Debt and then do Liz Trusses policies, but your guy takes his orders from the WEF run by a Nazi | |||
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"I’m probably echoing what others have said but here’s my opinion. I trust labour to do their best for the country in whatever their beliefs lead them to think is the best way to do that. To me that is preferable to the Tories who I have no doubt could run the country well but have chosen time and again to just use that power to benefit themselves. Unfortunately they are basically a uni party now full to the brim with career politicians that big corporations and banks run rings round. Look how Truss was replaced by Sunak the bosses wanted one of their own and were prepared to sink the markets to get it What? You're saying that the ultra low tax, ultra free market plans of Truss were not what corporations and banks wanted? Can you explain why the "fiscal event" would have upset them? How did "they" sink the markets? What was the mechanism? Not what the central bankers wanted the likes of the Rothschilds through the likes of of investment companies like Blackrock and Vanguard own everything starting with our tax, media, big tech they see us as insects." So, again, how was low corporate and personal taxation going to be vause a problem for these wealthy people? Why did they want to reduce the value of their assets in the UK and make it harder for the British government to borrow money? | |||
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"I’m probably echoing what others have said but here’s my opinion. I trust labour to do their best for the country in whatever their beliefs lead them to think is the best way to do that. To me that is preferable to the Tories who I have no doubt could run the country well but have chosen time and again to just use that power to benefit themselves. Unfortunately they are basically a uni party now full to the brim with career politicians that big corporations and banks run rings round. Look how Truss was replaced by Sunak the bosses wanted one of their own and were prepared to sink the markets to get it Truss was replaced because she is thick and crashed the economy
She's not thick and neither is Kwarteng.
Incompetent though. It's a different thing.
Certainly crashed the economy.
Not just incompetent. Incompetent & incredibly arrogant. That's the killer combo.No crashed the markets the central banks who are owned by the likes of the Rothschilds, Soros see China as the model for most of the population, they got their companies like Blackrock to sell their shares that they bought with our taxes. "Who have these people told about seeing China as their ideal economic model? How did that information come to you? How do these individuals "own" central bank's? Why were they happy with how things were working for centuries and suddenly want to change it now? I agree that BlackRock and other investment companies have been getting rich spending taxpayer quantitative easing money without any sense that a portion of any earnings should be returned. | |||
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"I’m probably echoing what others have said but here’s my opinion. I trust labour to do their best for the country in whatever their beliefs lead them to think is the best way to do that. To me that is preferable to the Tories who I have no doubt could run the country well but have chosen time and again to just use that power to benefit themselves. Unfortunately they are basically a uni party now full to the brim with career politicians that big corporations and banks run rings round. Look how Truss was replaced by Sunak the bosses wanted one of their own and were prepared to sink the markets to get it Truss was replaced because she is thick and crashed the economy
She's not thick and neither is Kwarteng.
Incompetent though. It's a different thing.
Certainly crashed the economy.
Not just incompetent. Incompetent & incredibly arrogant. That's the killer combo.No crashed the markets the central banks who are owned by the likes of the Rothschilds, Soros see China as the model for most of the population, they got their companies like Blackrock to sell their shares that they bought with our taxes.
Thick Lizzie was warned , she ignored the advice, she was sacked for being incompetent
Really she decided to go for growth in the economy, frankly its that or a huge war. But their is a third way and my preferred choice of bring to justice all those behind all the fraud, covid scam and vaccine injuries and seize their assets, no National Debt and then do Liz Trusses policies, but your guy takes his orders from the WEF run by a Nazi"Every government anywhere "goes for growth" but they can only do so based on the financial circumstances that they are functioning within. The circumstances didn't allow it, therefore, incompetence. I agree that it is pretty clear to anyone who cares to look that if the tax system functioned such that the system wasn't games by the wealthy, taxation on the rest of us would be much lower, still with better public services and everyone would be better off. You think that the Conservative party are more likely to deliver this than one of the other parties? | |||
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"No the only thing this current governments going for them is during the last three years of the scamdemic Commissar Corbyn was not in charge, for sure people like me would be in a concentration camp. Give me a government who doesn't care than a bunch of commie wankers who knows whats best for you and see's you get it, whether its good for you or not any day. Also lets not forget Keir Stalin let Jimmy Saville and the r@pe gangs run riot while heading the CPS. Jimmy Saville was a massive Tory, Thatcher loved and knighted him So!! Rotherham and all those cities with r@pe gangs are Labour controlled they're all in on it"All "in on" what? They actively encouraged this activity or covered it up? Why would they do that? | |||
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"No the only thing this current governments going for them is during the last three years of the scamdemic Commissar Corbyn was not in charge, for sure people like me would be in a concentration camp. Give me a government who doesn't care than a bunch of commie wankers who knows whats best for you and see's you get it, whether its good for you or not any day. Also lets not forget Keir Stalin let Jimmy Saville and the r@pe gangs run riot while heading the CPS. Jimmy Saville was a massive Tory, Thatcher loved and knighted him So!! Rotherham and all those cities with r@pe gangs are Labour controlled they're all in on it
All "in on" what?
They actively encouraged this activity or covered it up? Why would they do that?"Maybe they're criminals and actually whatever their reasons they are anyway. | |||
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"I’m probably echoing what others have said but here’s my opinion. I trust labour to do their best for the country in whatever their beliefs lead them to think is the best way to do that. To me that is preferable to the Tories who I have no doubt could run the country well but have chosen time and again to just use that power to benefit themselves. Unfortunately they are basically a uni party now full to the brim with career politicians that big corporations and banks run rings round. Look how Truss was replaced by Sunak the bosses wanted one of their own and were prepared to sink the markets to get it What? You're saying that the ultra low tax, ultra free market plans of Truss were not what corporations and banks wanted? Can you explain why the "fiscal event" would have upset them? How did "they" sink the markets? What was the mechanism? Not what the central bankers wanted the likes of the Rothschilds through the likes of of investment companies like Blackrock and Vanguard own everything starting with our tax, media, big tech they see us as insects. So, again, how was low corporate and personal taxation going to be vause a problem for these wealthy people? Why did they want to reduce the value of their assets in the UK and make it harder for the British government to borrow money?" Our currency is a joke, its based on nothing, an asset is an asset, they still have it. Their vision is based in the WEF vision they will own all the assets and we do as we're told, the worse things get for us the more government assistance needed, Truss went off script. You're making the assumption they give a shit about us, they'll lend using their fractional serve system but too much inflation will wake too many up they have to give an air of responsibility. | |||
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"I’m probably echoing what others have said but here’s my opinion. I trust labour to do their best for the country in whatever their beliefs lead them to think is the best way to do that. To me that is preferable to the Tories who I have no doubt could run the country well but have chosen time and again to just use that power to benefit themselves. Unfortunately they are basically a uni party now full to the brim with career politicians that big corporations and banks run rings round. Look how Truss was replaced by Sunak the bosses wanted one of their own and were prepared to sink the markets to get it Truss was replaced because she is thick and crashed the economy
She's not thick and neither is Kwarteng.
Incompetent though. It's a different thing.
Certainly crashed the economy.
Not just incompetent. Incompetent & incredibly arrogant. That's the killer combo.No crashed the markets the central banks who are owned by the likes of the Rothschilds, Soros see China as the model for most of the population, they got their companies like Blackrock to sell their shares that they bought with our taxes.
Thick Lizzie was warned , she ignored the advice, she was sacked for being incompetent
Really she decided to go for growth in the economy, frankly its that or a huge war. But their is a third way and my preferred choice of bring to justice all those behind all the fraud, covid scam and vaccine injuries and seize their assets, no National Debt and then do Liz Trusses policies, but your guy takes his orders from the WEF run by a Nazi
Every government anywhere "goes for growth" but they can only do so based on the financial circumstances that they are functioning within.
The circumstances didn't allow it, therefore, incompetence.
I agree that it is pretty clear to anyone who cares to look that if the tax system functioned such that the system wasn't games by the wealthy, taxation on the rest of us would be much lower, still with better public services and everyone would be better off.
You think that the Conservative party are more likely to deliver this than one of the other parties?"I know none of them can, frankly all public services should be controlled locally and paid for locally, so every penny is accounted for and certainly those able to should be given every encouragement to take out insurance. The standard of health care for the average person before the plandemic (worse now) was the same as 1937, did you know that most councils provided emergency treatments, people assume you died in the streets. | |||
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