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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

Rishi sunak, our prime minister was asked about his Conservative colleagues thoughts of bringing back the death penalty in this country. He didn't give a descive answer? What do you think

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

For clear cut 100% guilty for murder and pedos, yeah

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By *r_PinkMan over a year ago

london stratford

No.

its as simple as that.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

yes.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I've lost faith in the people of this country and don't think it's a good idea to put someone's life in the hands of a jury who voted for brexit and Boris Johnson.

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By *icecouple561Couple over a year ago
Forum Mod

East Sussex

What do I think about what he said or about the death penalty?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Yeah and whilst we’re rushing back toward the dark ages let’s start dunking witches again!

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By *ophieslutTV/TS over a year ago

Central

100% against it, for anything, ever. Totally inhumane and barbaric and we are better than this as a species. It inflicts further pain on others too.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

If someone was 100% guilty of something horrific then yes, I'm all for it. But sadly it would be abused, rigged and innocent people would die. If only it was straightforward.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Let’s have corporal punishment too, national service, not speaking to your betters, and take votes off women…

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By *batMan over a year ago

Alicante, Spain. (Sometimes in Wales)

The death penalty would be a massive backward step.

I don't trust the current UK government and I'm surprised that anyone else does.

Gbat

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

I'm just putting it out there. Just saw it on the news and couldn't believe that in this country and day and age people would think of it. As an advocate for women not going through domestic violence, the last woman to be hanged for killing a violent, abusive husband was Ruth Ellis. She didn't deserve that

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By *ools and the brainCouple over a year ago

couple, us we him her.

"Rishi sunak, our prime minister was asked about his Conservative colleagues thoughts of bringing back the death penalty in this country. He didn't give a descive answer? What do you think

Short answer yes.

Long answer.

Criminals are not scared of committing crime including murder, life imprisonment should mean that,but isn't that like 30 years regardless of the sentence?

So what's the consequences of a horrendous crime?

Locked up 3 square meals a day,free dental care,free medical care,free access to adult education, free eyecare.

Claim your a changed person,find religion and get out early for good behaviour.

Meanwhile the victim and family will suffer for eternity.

Premeditated, terrorism anything related to children and gun's.

If you have been unquestionably found guilty then yes definitely.

There has to be consequences, something that is seriously lacking in today's society regardless of the crime.

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By *ora the explorerWoman over a year ago

Paradise, Herts

"Rishi sunak, our prime minister was asked about his Conservative colleagues thoughts of bringing back the death penalty in this country. He didn't give a descive answer? What do you think

Short answer yes.

Long answer.

Criminals are not scared of committing crime including murder, life imprisonment should mean that,but isn't that like 30 years regardless of the sentence?

So what's the consequences of a horrendous crime?

Locked up 3 square meals a day,free dental care,free medical care,free access to adult education, free eyecare.

Claim your a changed person,find religion and get out early for good behaviour.

Meanwhile the victim and family will suffer for eternity.

Premeditated, terrorism anything related to children and gun's.

If you have been unquestionably found guilty then yes definitely.

There has to be consequences, something that is seriously lacking in today's society regardless of the crime."

Absolutely this ^^

And yes.

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By *elix SightedMan over a year ago

Cloud 8

In criminal courts one only needs to prove guilt beyond a reasonable doubt. That is a long way from unequivocal.

Even in the most apparently clear cut cases, innocence can be proven years down the line. Then we’d have wrongly killed someone, despite the most robust procedures we currently have in place for determining guilt.

As for Sunak and/or the Tories bringing back capital punishment - political suicide!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I definitely think it wouldn't be a bad idea and would save a lot of tax payers money to eliminate pedophiles, rapist, murderers if they're proven guilty beyond any shadow of doubt to eliminate this kind from our society. I'm sorry, because it's never good to condemn any living being to a death sentence but sometimes in order for good to prevail it's necessary we go to war with evil.

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By *elix SightedMan over a year ago

Cloud 8

"Rishi sunak, our prime minister was asked about his Conservative colleagues thoughts of bringing back the death penalty in this country. He didn't give a descive answer? What do you think

Short answer yes.

Long answer.

Criminals are not scared of committing crime including murder, life imprisonment should mean that,but isn't that like 30 years regardless of the sentence?

So what's the consequences of a horrendous crime?

Locked up 3 square meals a day,free dental care,free medical care,free access to adult education, free eyecare.

Claim your a changed person,find religion and get out early for good behaviour.

Meanwhile the victim and family will suffer for eternity.

Premeditated, terrorism anything related to children and gun's.

If you have been unquestionably found guilty then yes definitely.

There has to be consequences, something that is seriously lacking in today's society regardless of the crime."

Despite my answer above, I absolutely agree our criminal justice system is woefully short of effective and prisons are not enough of a consequence to deter crime.

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By *batMan over a year ago

Alicante, Spain. (Sometimes in Wales)

"If you have been unquestionably found guilty then yes definitely."

Everybody ever found guilty was "unquestionably guilty" at the time of conviction. Quite a few have been found to be unquestionably innocent some time later.

You listed stuff that makes prison sound more appealing but I still don't think many people actually enjoy it.

Three square meals? Yeah, but not where, when or what you might choose to eat.

Gbat

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By *ools and the brainCouple over a year ago

couple, us we him her.

"Rishi sunak, our prime minister was asked about his Conservative colleagues thoughts of bringing back the death penalty in this country. He didn't give a descive answer? What do you think

Short answer yes.

Long answer.

Criminals are not scared of committing crime including murder, life imprisonment should mean that,but isn't that like 30 years regardless of the sentence?

So what's the consequences of a horrendous crime?

Locked up 3 square meals a day,free dental care,free medical care,free access to adult education, free eyecare.

Claim your a changed person,find religion and get out early for good behaviour.

Meanwhile the victim and family will suffer for eternity.

Premeditated, terrorism anything related to children and gun's.

If you have been unquestionably found guilty then yes definitely.

There has to be consequences, something that is seriously lacking in today's society regardless of the crime."

I should have added knife crime as well.

Horrendous story in the news the other day of the poor chap murdered in Asda just for remonstrating with some lads who where causing havoc.

For this he got stabbed in the heart with a twelve in knife and died.

The guilty party claimed self defence and got 13 years!!

13 years for stabbing an innocent man with a 12inch knife.

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

You are totally right. I'm saying that we are not like other countries who execute people, for what, a drain on tax payers. Yes lock them up for their days. Do two wrongs make a right

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By *ogisticalBigManMan over a year ago

Sheffield

"I've lost faith in the people of this country and don't think it's a good idea to put someone's life in the hands of a jury who voted for brexit and Boris Johnson."

My thoughts exactly. In country that can't be trusted to have toilet brushes in public lavs, you think I'd trust our lot with deciding who gets the death penalty?

Nah I'll pass too thanks

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I don’t think anyone has a right to take someone’s life. Not even a murderers’. I do not agree with the death penalty.

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

I also saw that

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By *ottom charlieMan over a year ago

washington

"Rishi sunak, our prime minister was asked about his Conservative colleagues thoughts of bringing back the death penalty in this country. He didn't give a descive answer? What do you think

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if you can trust the police to get the facts right and get the correct guilty person i am 100% in favour

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By *os19Man over a year ago

Edmonton

It a tricky one I use to think if it’s 100% clear cut that the person is guilty of murder then hang them you would think that with today’s DNA and other more modern police methods there would not be the miscarriage of justice of various cases that there have been.However as someone that has done his jury service it only takes 3-4 of the jurors to be in doubt then the judge gives you another 2 hours to find a majority of 10-2 and those 3-4 jurors quickly make up there minds to get that 10-2 majority so that they can get out of court is justice really been done ?

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By *aitonelMan over a year ago

Liverpool

Honestly I'm not sure some crimes and criminals are just mind blowing, they hit emotions and we want revenge/vengeful justice. Eye for an eye and all that.

But it's just another version of bloodthirst.somebody,no matter how scummy and vile, will have been killed. The very thing in which we condemn others for doing and it changes nothing.

Then there are those wrongfully accused and convicted. Plenty of people have been found innocent years later. What if they had been given the death penalty, and it carried through?

That said career criminals like serial killers etc are a drain on resources. They provide nothing to society yet are funded to be locked up.

As per usual I side with George Carlin on this one. Go look up what he has to say on the death penalty.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Rishi sunak, our prime minister was asked about his Conservative colleagues thoughts of bringing back the death penalty in this country. He didn't give a descive answer? What do you think

Short answer yes.

Long answer.

Criminals are not scared of committing crime including murder, life imprisonment should mean that,but isn't that like 30 years regardless of the sentence?

So what's the consequences of a horrendous crime?

Locked up 3 square meals a day,free dental care,free medical care,free access to adult education, free eyecare.

Claim your a changed person,find religion and get out early for good behaviour.

Meanwhile the victim and family will suffer for eternity.

Premeditated, terrorism anything related to children and gun's.

If you have been unquestionably found guilty then yes definitely.

There has to be consequences, something that is seriously lacking in today's society regardless of the crime.

I should have added knife crime as well.

Horrendous story in the news the other day of the poor chap murdered in Asda just for remonstrating with some lads who where causing havoc.

For this he got stabbed in the heart with a twelve in knife and died.

The guilty party claimed self defence and got 13 years!!

13 years for stabbing an innocent man with a 12inch knife."

It's so fucked up.

One of my brothers had his throat slit open about 9 years ago and almost died. The guy who did it got 7 years, and was out in 3. My brother is still dealing with so many issues surrounding what happened yet the guy who did it couldn't give a shit and will probably do it again to someone who won't be as lucky.

Something needs to change. I agree with you completely.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"100% against it, for anything, ever. Totally inhumane and barbaric and we are better than this as a species. It inflicts further pain on others too. "
totally this.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"You are totally right. I'm saying that we are not like other countries who execute people, for what, a drain on tax payers. Yes lock them up for their days. Do two wrongs make a right "

Sometimes it's necessary for a surgeon to cut out the dead tissue to prevent the gangrene from spreading and to allow the healthy...

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Nope, we are meant to be living in a civilised society but how can we be if we allow that to happen. We are meant to be moving forwards

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By *ucka39Man over a year ago

Newcastle

Given amount of corruption in this country it wouldn't be advisable as people who have been convicted later found not guilty and are those whom are still fighting injustice

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By *andyfloss2000Woman over a year ago

ashford

No never! Not a good idea going backwards x

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By *eavenNhellCouple over a year ago

carrbrook stalybridge

Google stephan cisco

Argument over

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By *ools and the brainCouple over a year ago

couple, us we him her.

"If you have been unquestionably found guilty then yes definitely.

Everybody ever found guilty was "unquestionably guilty" at the time of conviction. Quite a few have been found to be unquestionably innocent some time later.

You listed stuff that makes prison sound more appealing but I still don't think many people actually enjoy it.

Three square meals? Yeah, but not where, when or what you might choose to eat.

Gbat "

What about the guy's who killed Lee Rigby any doubts over their innocence?

Any cases that are put into the "death" category must be extremely robust and have a system that doesn't leave any stone unturned in terms of guilt.

In all but for the most horrendous crime's it must be an option to act as a deterrent.

HOWEVER I would be very interested to find out the statistics of countries that have a death penalty to see if it does actually work??

I certainly don't think it's a decision to be used for political reasons.

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

I agree with the post's about pedophiles. That's planned, most murders aren't planned, yet death penalty kills them. The latter in this country gets a slap on the hand

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By *obyn GravesTV/TS over a year ago

1127 walnut avenue

I think the only way it would act as a deterrent would be the executions to be public...They could have it live on TV on Saturday night... it'd be a welcome change from ant and Dec.. though saying that they'd probably want to host it..

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Given amount of corruption in this country it wouldn't be advisable as people who have been convicted later found not guilty and are those whom are still fighting injustice "

agree and these cases would be ongoing. However, those that are convicted beyond any shadow of doubt and whom show no remorse for their crimes committed and are likely to commit the same hideous crimes again if left free to roam in society - these convicts deserve no second chance in my opinion.

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By *ttmcdguyTV/TS over a year ago

Milton Keynes

"In criminal courts one only needs to prove guilt beyond a reasonable doubt. That is a long way from unequivocal.

As for Sunak and/or the Tories bringing back capital punishment - political suicide!"

The Conservative Party committed political suicide a long time ago !

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

I'm talking about this country bringing the death penalty back. Agree or disagree

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

It doesn't work. Not here the conviction takes years on end for appeals. Better off with life in prison.

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By *inx.x3Woman over a year ago

Bath

"Rishi sunak, our prime minister was asked about his Conservative colleagues thoughts of bringing back the death penalty in this country. He didn't give a descive answer? What do you think

Short answer yes.

Long answer.

Criminals are not scared of committing crime including murder, life imprisonment should mean that,but isn't that like 30 years regardless of the sentence?

So what's the consequences of a horrendous crime?

Locked up 3 square meals a day,free dental care,free medical care,free access to adult education, free eyecare.

Claim your a changed person,find religion and get out early for good behaviour.

Meanwhile the victim and family will suffer for eternity.

Premeditated, terrorism anything related to children and gun's.

If you have been unquestionably found guilty then yes definitely.

There has to be consequences, something that is seriously lacking in today's society regardless of the crime."

Totally agree.

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

Anyone old enough to know the film let him have it.

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By *lex46TV/TS over a year ago

Near Wells

"I've lost faith in the people of this country and don't think it's a good idea to put someone's life in the hands of a jury who voted for brexit and Boris Johnson."

Oh dear, I voted for both. Perhaps I've already voted for the death penalty the way things are going.

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By *ornucopiaMan over a year ago

Bexley

"Rishi sunak, our prime minister was asked about his Conservative colleagues thoughts of bringing back the death penalty in this country. He didn't give a descive answer? What do you think

Short answer yes.

Long answer.

Criminals are not scared of committing crime including murder, life imprisonment should mean that,but isn't that like 30 years regardless of the sentence?

So what's the consequences of a horrendous crime?

Locked up 3 square meals a day,free dental care,free medical care,free access to adult education, free eyecare.

Claim your a changed person,find religion and get out early for good behaviour.

Meanwhile the victim and family will suffer for eternity.

Premeditated, terrorism anything related to children and gun's.

If you have been unquestionably found guilty then yes definitely.

There has to be consequences, something that is seriously lacking in today's society regardless of the crime.

Absolutely this ^^

And yes. "

why would the short answer be yes unless it is another way of saying 'No'?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"If you have been unquestionably found guilty then yes definitely.

Everybody ever found guilty was "unquestionably guilty" at the time of conviction. Quite a few have been found to be unquestionably innocent some time later.

You listed stuff that makes prison sound more appealing but I still don't think many people actually enjoy it.

Three square meals? Yeah, but not where, when or what you might choose to eat.

Gbat

What about the guy's who killed Lee Rigby any doubts over their innocence?

Any cases that are put into the "death" category must be extremely robust and have a system that doesn't leave any stone unturned in terms of guilt.

In all but for the most horrendous crime's it must be an option to act as a deterrent.

HOWEVER I would be very interested to find out the statistics of countries that have a death penalty to see if it does actually work??

I certainly don't think it's a decision to be used for political reasons.

I dont think it works as a deterrent at all looking at figures.

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By *ttmcdguyTV/TS over a year ago

Milton Keynes

"I agree with the post's about pedophiles. That's planned, most murders aren't planned, yet death penalty kills them. The latter in this country gets a slap on the hand "

To be quite frank about this murder is premeditated!

Meaning you have to plan to kill said victim

Anything else is man slaughter

One of the hardest crimes to convict!

As most murderers will claim they never meant to kill the victim to get the lesser sentence of man slaughter

And they will plead guilty to man slaughter instead of not guilty to murder ! Cps see it as a win cos if murderer manages to convince a jury he is innocent of murder he walks out free man!

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By *illloganMan over a year ago

Essex

Prisoners rights should be removed.

30 people in a rotten cell with a hole in the floor, not a decent bedroom with a TV and a PlayStation.

Work for their food or starve, no free anything. 23 hour lock up.

Get caught stealing? Hands cut off.

There are safer countries with strict justice systems and shit hole prisons because people respect the law as it has horrific consequences.

I've waited in longer lines for mcdonald's than criminals serve sentences.

Joke country.

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By *aitonelMan over a year ago

Liverpool

"I agree with the post's about pedophiles. That's planned, most murders aren't planned, yet death penalty kills them. The latter in this country gets a slap on the hand

To be quite frank about this murder is premeditated!

Meaning you have to plan to kill said victim

Anything else is man slaughter

One of the hardest crimes to convict!

As most murderers will claim they never meant to kill the victim to get the lesser sentence of man slaughter

And they will plead guilty to man slaughter instead of not guilty to murder ! Cps see it as a win cos if murderer manages to convince a jury he is innocent of murder he walks out free man! "

So very true.

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By *os19Man over a year ago

Edmonton

"Anyone old enough to know the film let him have it. "
. I have seen it a couple of times a total miscarriage of justice.What I would say is with today’s modern technology and understanding of that’s it’s possible to be a adult with the brain and understanding of a 8-10 year old I think in today court it would be a light specialist prison sentence

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Death penalty should be re-instated. Delayed for 10 years. A full review at 5 years and ten years, if no new evidence then death penalty the following day,no exceptions.

I do not want a deterrent. I do not want rehabilitation. I want justice and vengeance for the victims and their families.

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By *ttmcdguyTV/TS over a year ago

Milton Keynes

"Anyone old enough to know the film let him have it. "

I don’t know the film

But I have been told the story by a relative of the fella

He was a special needs fella who got coerced into a few various crimes

This particular heist a gun was involved and the story goes he dropped the gun in front of a copper his mate said let him have it and he shit the copper

When apparently his mate was suggesting to give him the gun !

He was hung ! Yet bloke who told him to shoot got a bit of prison

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By *he Ring WraithMan over a year ago

Bradford

No no no, I would rather a hundred low sentences than one innocent put to death - the system in this country is broken and has been for years. Remember Kishko and the rest !

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By *atonMan over a year ago

barnet

No we are a civilised country.

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By *oey.joe1Man over a year ago

swindon

????

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

It’s proven not to be a deterrent. It also gives a legislature too much power. The only exception (in my view) is an ultra legal tribunal dealing with crimes of such magnitude that regular criminal code isn’t sufficient. Crimes against humanity, war crimes, etc would qualify.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I agree with the post's about pedophiles. That's planned, most murders aren't planned, yet death penalty kills them. The latter in this country gets a slap on the hand "

All murders are planned. Name one that wasn't

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

So many people in other countries have have been executed and found to be inocent. Women in other countries stoned to death, jeez.

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"I agree with the post's about pedophiles. That's planned, most murders aren't planned, yet death penalty kills them. The latter in this country gets a slap on the hand

All murders are planned. Name one that wasn't "
How are they all planned

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"No we are a civilised country. "

Not if it's riddled with numerous peeps who carry out uncivilised acts of crime were not

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Absolutely not.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I agree with the post's about pedophiles. That's planned, most murders aren't planned, yet death penalty kills them. The latter in this country gets a slap on the hand

All murders are planned. Name one that wasn't How are they all planned "

Shouldn't answer a question with a question.

A statement of fact,all murders are planned.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I agree with the post's about pedophiles. That's planned, most murders aren't planned, yet death penalty kills them. The latter in this country gets a slap on the hand

All murders are planned. Name one that wasn't How are they all planned "

Murder has to have intent to kill, hence they are planned. A reckless act resulting in another's death could be manslaughter.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I agree with the post's about pedophiles. That's planned, most murders aren't planned, yet death penalty kills them. The latter in this country gets a slap on the hand

All murders are planned. Name one that wasn't "

Kids who let off their parents guns by accident

One punch in a fight, that causes irreparable brain damage, and then the life support switched off.

Lorry driver gets distracted, ploughs into a car on the motorway.

Need some more?

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By *hetalkingstoveMan over a year ago

London

"Prisoners rights should be removed.

30 people in a rotten cell with a hole in the floor, not a decent bedroom with a TV and a PlayStation.

Work for their food or starve, no free anything. 23 hour lock up.

Get caught stealing? Hands cut off.

There are safer countries with strict justice systems and shit hole prisons because people respect the law as it has horrific consequences.

I've waited in longer lines for mcdonald's than criminals serve sentences.

Joke country. "

The actual evidence is that treating prisoners humanely reduces reoffending and thus leads to a safer society.

But so continue to get yourself worked up about punishing people. Maybe take it to the fantasies section though.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I agree with the post's about pedophiles. That's planned, most murders aren't planned, yet death penalty kills them. The latter in this country gets a slap on the hand

All murders are planned. Name one that wasn't How are they all planned "

You simply cannot name one that was not planned

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By *elvet RopeMan over a year ago

by the big field

Barry George, the Birmingham 6 and numerous others would like a clarification of exactly what level of proof is required and what the consequences for police lies, government pressure and legal incompetence is?

As for our PM avoiding the question, you’ve more chance getting an opinion out of the lettuce that outlasted Liz Truss than you would out of most of the Tory leaders- and quite a few of the opposition. The only ones that seem to have one are the screwy fuckers that shouldn’t be allowed anywhere near the steering wheel

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I agree with the post's about pedophiles. That's planned, most murders aren't planned, yet death penalty kills them. The latter in this country gets a slap on the hand

All murders are planned. Name one that wasn't

Kids who let off their parents guns by accident

One punch in a fight, that causes irreparable brain damage, and then the life support switched off.

Lorry driver gets distracted, ploughs into a car on the motorway.

Need some more?"

Exactly my point. Your "examples " are accidents and therefore at worst manslaughter

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"So many people in other countries have have been executed and found to be inocent. Women in other countries stoned to death, jeez. "

OP we have to try to keep things in perspective, we are only talking about the criminally insane for having committed hideous acts of crime and proven guilty beyond any shadow of doubt, that sort deserve the death sentence in my opinion. Less thing to worry about in what we like to believe to be a civilized society.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I agree with the post's about pedophiles. That's planned, most murders aren't planned, yet death penalty kills them. The latter in this country gets a slap on the hand

All murders are planned. Name one that wasn't How are they all planned

You simply cannot name one that was not planned "

Hi,

I named 3

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By *otMe66Man over a year ago

Terra Firma

"I've lost faith in the people of this country and don't think it's a good idea to put someone's life in the hands of a jury who voted for brexit and Boris Johnson."

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"For clear cut 100% guilty for murder and pedos, yeah"

The standard of proof in the UK criminal justice system is beyond reasonable doubt, which in real terms means no doubt. If it's not 100%, there shouldn't be a conviction. However, we have seen convictions overturned and subsequently found unsafe...

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I agree with the post's about pedophiles. That's planned, most murders aren't planned, yet death penalty kills them. The latter in this country gets a slap on the hand

All murders are planned. Name one that wasn't How are they all planned

You simply cannot name one that was not planned

Hi,

I named 3"

No,you did not

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By *UGGYBEAR2015Man over a year ago

BRIDPORT

The actual evidence is that treating prisoners humanely reduces reoffending and thus leads to a safer society.

. "

The death penalty reduces reoffending far more.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Prisoners rights should be removed.

30 people in a rotten cell with a hole in the floor, not a decent bedroom with a TV and a PlayStation.

Work for their food or starve, no free anything. 23 hour lock up.

Get caught stealing? Hands cut off.

There are safer countries with strict justice systems and shit hole prisons because people respect the law as it has horrific consequences.

I've waited in longer lines for mcdonald's than criminals serve sentences.

Joke country. "

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I agree with the post's about pedophiles. That's planned, most murders aren't planned, yet death penalty kills them. The latter in this country gets a slap on the hand

All murders are planned. Name one that wasn't

Kids who let off their parents guns by accident

One punch in a fight, that causes irreparable brain damage, and then the life support switched off.

Lorry driver gets distracted, ploughs into a car on the motorway.

Need some more?"

Manslaughter

Manslaugter

Death by Dangerous Driving.

All unlawful homicide, none of them murder.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I agree with the post's about pedophiles. That's planned, most murders aren't planned, yet death penalty kills them. The latter in this country gets a slap on the hand

All murders are planned. Name one that wasn't How are they all planned

You simply cannot name one that was not planned

Hi,

I named 3

No,you did not "

No problem.

Sally Clark, convicted of murdering her infant sons, late 90s. Conviction overturned.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I agree with the post's about pedophiles. That's planned, most murders aren't planned, yet death penalty kills them. The latter in this country gets a slap on the hand

All murders are planned. Name one that wasn't How are they all planned

You simply cannot name one that was not planned

Hi,

I named 3"

^ she did.

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By *GermanInLondonMan over a year ago

London

No. Would be a huge step backwards.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Prisoners rights should be removed.

30 people in a rotten cell with a hole in the floor, not a decent bedroom with a TV and a PlayStation.

Work for their food or starve, no free anything. 23 hour lock up.

Get caught stealing? Hands cut off.

There are safer countries with strict justice systems and shit hole prisons because people respect the law as it has horrific consequences.

I've waited in longer lines for mcdonald's than criminals serve sentences.

Joke country. "

Yup.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

People are missing the point.Murders today are few and far between which is why we find them horrific.Couzens springs to mind,Bellfield another.

Most deaths happen in the heat of the moment and do not deserve the death penalty.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

The actual evidence is that treating prisoners humanely reduces reoffending and thus leads to a safer society.

The death penalty reduces reoffending far more.

guessing, there's no arguing with fact

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"So many people in other countries have have been executed and found to be inocent. Women in other countries stoned to death, jeez.

But then how civilised actually are we if we just repeat the crime (in instances of murder) just in a slightly more sanitised way. You still become a murderer yourself by murdering the murderer. Is that civilisation?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I agree with the post's about pedophiles. That's planned, most murders aren't planned, yet death penalty kills them. The latter in this country gets a slap on the hand

All murders are planned. Name one that wasn't How are they all planned

You simply cannot name one that was not planned

Hi,

I named 3

^ she did. "

Read my earlier reply.Not repeating myself for lazy people

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By *JandCMCouple over a year ago

cardiff

Wouldn't be surprised if the death penalty came back, the government would save loads of ££££ n then they could have a bigger pay rise next time around.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I agree with the post's about pedophiles. That's planned, most murders aren't planned, yet death penalty kills them. The latter in this country gets a slap on the hand

All murders are planned. Name one that wasn't How are they all planned

You simply cannot name one that was not planned

Hi,

I named 3

^ she did.

Read my earlier reply.Not repeating myself for lazy people "

But you’re not acknowledging my comment about Sally Clark…

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I agree with the post's about pedophiles. That's planned, most murders aren't planned, yet death penalty kills them. The latter in this country gets a slap on the hand

All murders are planned. Name one that wasn't How are they all planned

You simply cannot name one that was not planned

Hi,

I named 3

No,you did not

No problem.

Sally Clark, convicted of murdering her infant sons, late 90s. Conviction overturned."

Then that was not a planned murder.Give coherent arguments or don't bother

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By *oan of DArcCouple over a year ago

Glasgow

No x

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By *riar BelisseWoman over a year ago

Delightful Bliss

I can only look at it from a parents point of view, and yes I agree with bringing it in. After 50 years of imprisonment.

So many kids carry knives daily without any regard for whose lives they destroy and any fear of the police. I'd love to rip apart the prison sentence and rehabilitation system and rebuild it. Interventions and prevent are the best way forward. But we can only do that with having a functioning social care system

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By *stbury DavenportMan over a year ago

Nottingham

Absolutely not. No. Not ever.

It's morally wrong.

It doesn't even work as a deterrent. Never has and never will.

I am *horrified* that there is anyone who has enough faith in the justice system to think it is even remotely a good idea. Just no. Ugh.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Apply the Categorical Imperative. Those who support the death penalty. Let’s forget the fantasy of pedo lynching and psycho murderers. Tomorrow your son, mother, wife, best mate goes to the gallows. They have been convicted by a jury. You have the power to stop the execution.

Do you let them be executed?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I agree with the post's about pedophiles. That's planned, most murders aren't planned, yet death penalty kills them. The latter in this country gets a slap on the hand

All murders are planned. Name one that wasn't How are they all planned

You simply cannot name one that was not planned

Hi,

I named 3

No,you did not

No problem.

Sally Clark, convicted of murdering her infant sons, late 90s. Conviction overturned.

Then that was not a planned murder.Give coherent arguments or don't bother "

Be polite or don’t bother!

Originally she was convicted. The courts judged her guilty of murdering her infant children.

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By *awpleasureMan over a year ago

Sutton Coldfield

"If someone was 100% guilty of something horrific then yes, I'm all for it. But sadly it would be abused, rigged and innocent people would die. If only it was straightforward."

I disagree. DNA proves it! by 50 million to one.

Any murderer of children or police should have the lethal injection.

Better than leaving the likes of Huntley and Brady to rot in prison at the expense of the tax payer. Brady did almost 50 years and Huntly might do more. Tens of Millions spent which could be spent on the NHS or to build more hotels for illegal immigrants to live in.

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

I'm away. Thank you for the descriptions peeps. Have a lovely night, take care beautiful people.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

No. I don't have faith in the justice system. People get sent to prison when there isn't any hard evidence against them.

Could you imagine an innocent person being given the death sentence

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

Discussions. Jeez lol

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By *elle and JamesCouple over a year ago

Hornchurch

For those suggesting we bring it back, can you post an approximate compensation figure you'd settle for when your partner/son/father is convicted and executed falsely?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I agree with the post's about pedophiles. That's planned, most murders aren't planned, yet death penalty kills them. The latter in this country gets a slap on the hand

All murders are planned. Name one that wasn't How are they all planned

You simply cannot name one that was not planned

Hi,

I named 3

No,you did not

No problem.

Sally Clark, convicted of murdering her infant sons, late 90s. Conviction overturned.

Then that was not a planned murder.Give coherent arguments or don't bother

Be polite or don’t bother!

Originally she was convicted. The courts judged her guilty of murdering her infant children."

Hard to be polite to someone who understands little and cannot argue her case.

The woman you name was innocent, therefore it was not a murder planned by her.

You have not and cannot name any.

End of.You will receive no more debate from me

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I agree with the post's about pedophiles. That's planned, most murders aren't planned, yet death penalty kills them. The latter in this country gets a slap on the hand

All murders are planned. Name one that wasn't How are they all planned

You simply cannot name one that was not planned

Hi,

I named 3

No,you did not

No problem.

Sally Clark, convicted of murdering her infant sons, late 90s. Conviction overturned.

Then that was not a planned murder.Give coherent arguments or don't bother

Be polite or don’t bother!

Originally she was convicted. The courts judged her guilty of murdering her infant children.

Hard to be polite to someone who understands little and cannot argue her case.

The woman you name was innocent, therefore it was not a murder planned by her.

You have not and cannot name any.

End of.You will receive no more debate from me"

That’s fine, you’re rude.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I agree with the post's about pedophiles. That's planned, most murders aren't planned, yet death penalty kills them. The latter in this country gets a slap on the hand

All murders are planned. Name one that wasn't How are they all planned

You simply cannot name one that was not planned

Hi,

I named 3

No,you did not "
man comes home early. Finds his wife in bed with another man. Grabs a nearby lamp and smashes his face in. No way was he just trying to hurt him or accidentally killed him with one hit.

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By *ucka39Man over a year ago

Newcastle

A person serving a sentence is punishment daily but having the death penalty is like an easy way out yes tax payers pay but maybe the government should pay seems they have plenty stashed away

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Couzens,Bellfield, West,Nielsen, Brady, Huntley,Hindley, Sutcliffe, the list goes on.

Come on do gooders, defend them

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By *ora the explorerWoman over a year ago

Paradise, Herts

"Rishi sunak, our prime minister was asked about his Conservative colleagues thoughts of bringing back the death penalty in this country. He didn't give a descive answer? What do you think

Short answer yes.

Long answer.

Criminals are not scared of committing crime including murder, life imprisonment should mean that,but isn't that like 30 years regardless of the sentence?

So what's the consequences of a horrendous crime?

Locked up 3 square meals a day,free dental care,free medical care,free access to adult education, free eyecare.

Claim your a changed person,find religion and get out early for good behaviour.

Meanwhile the victim and family will suffer for eternity.

Premeditated, terrorism anything related to children and gun's.

If you have been unquestionably found guilty then yes definitely.

There has to be consequences, something that is seriously lacking in today's society regardless of the crime.

Absolutely this ^^

And yes.

why would the short answer be yes unless it is another way of saying 'No'?"

I think you quoted the wrong comment. I didn’t give a long and short answer. Just the one answer from me.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

What is an execution exactly by the state? Who or what defines this ultimate penalty?

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By *awpleasureMan over a year ago

Sutton Coldfield

"For those suggesting we bring it back, can you post an approximate compensation figure you'd settle for when your partner/son/father is convicted and executed falsely?

I'm talking about sexually related murders where a sperm sample proves who did it by DNA. Especially against children.

Levi Bellfield and Alan Kyte two prime examples who'll never be released. Should be topped.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I agree with the post's about pedophiles. That's planned, most murders aren't planned, yet death penalty kills them. The latter in this country gets a slap on the hand

All murders are planned. Name one that wasn't How are they all planned

You simply cannot name one that was not planned

Hi,

I named 3

No,you did not man comes home early. Finds his wife in bed with another man. Grabs a nearby lamp and smashes his face in. No way was he just trying to hurt him or accidentally killed him with one hit. "

Manslaughter by any definition so not a planned murder

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By * and M lookingCouple over a year ago

Worcester

"I've lost faith in the people of this country and don't think it's a good idea to put someone's life in the hands of a jury who voted for brexit and Boris Johnson."

How do you know they voted for either?

Don't forget it was a close run thing.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Couzens,Bellfield, West,Nielsen, Brady, Huntley,Hindley, Sutcliffe, the list goes on.

Come on do gooders, defend them"

Why should they get the luxury of death though? Brady had wanted to die, he made that clear. He did not deserve it

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By *elle and JamesCouple over a year ago

Hornchurch

"Couzens,Bellfield, West,Nielsen, Brady, Huntley,Hindley, Sutcliffe, the list goes on.

Come on do gooders, defend them"

I think you may be missing the point. No-one is seeking to defend insert name of awful criminal here, rather it's the principle that by enacting laws that allow them to be killed you are also providing for innocent people to be executed too.

And for the avoidance of doubt those innocent people include you. All of us in fact.

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By *ora the explorerWoman over a year ago

Paradise, Herts

"I've lost faith in the people of this country and don't think it's a good idea to put someone's life in the hands of a jury who voted for brexit and Boris Johnson.

How do you know they voted for either?

Don't forget it was a close run thing."

So many people assume that if you vote Tory you voted brexit and vice versa. That really isn’t the case.

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By * and M lookingCouple over a year ago

Worcester

"I've lost faith in the people of this country and don't think it's a good idea to put someone's life in the hands of a jury who voted for brexit and Boris Johnson.

How do you know they voted for either?

Don't forget it was a close run thing."

Plus when the other option was Corbyn, there wasn't much choice really was there.

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By *ustus555Couple over a year ago

If you trust the police to present evidence in an un biased, honest way..........

Do they. No. Been on the wrong end of bent coppers once. Not a nice experience. If it is 100 % un equivicably proven then in my mind all murderers and peados should be ended. It needs to be 100% tho.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I've lost faith in the people of this country and don't think it's a good idea to put someone's life in the hands of a jury who voted for brexit and Boris Johnson.

How do you know they voted for either?

Don't forget it was a close run thing.

So many people assume that if you vote Tory you voted brexit and vice versa. That really isn’t the case. "

Are people still banging on about this?

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By *ora the explorerWoman over a year ago

Paradise, Herts

"I've lost faith in the people of this country and don't think it's a good idea to put someone's life in the hands of a jury who voted for brexit and Boris Johnson.

How do you know they voted for either?

Don't forget it was a close run thing.

Plus when the other option was Corbyn, there wasn't much choice really was there."

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By *ora the explorerWoman over a year ago

Paradise, Herts

"I've lost faith in the people of this country and don't think it's a good idea to put someone's life in the hands of a jury who voted for brexit and Boris Johnson.

How do you know they voted for either?

Don't forget it was a close run thing.

So many people assume that if you vote Tory you voted brexit and vice versa. That really isn’t the case.

Are people still banging on about this?"

No idea. I don’t frequent the politics forum. First time I’ve “banged”’

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By *stbury DavenportMan over a year ago

Nottingham

The death penalty does not save money either. It costs *more* than life imprisonment. See the situation in the US.

It is chilling in the extreme to see how easily and joyfully some people leap to advocating the death of other humans.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Ive studied the Death Penatly from around the world.

Does it deter. No

If you had asked me years ago if it should be brought back in UK the i would of said Yes but after reserching the Death penalty for many years the answer is now No.

Far to many reasons to explain what changed my mind over the years, id be here all night.

Mr W&W

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I agree with the post's about pedophiles. That's planned, most murders aren't planned, yet death penalty kills them. The latter in this country gets a slap on the hand

All murders are planned. Name one that wasn't How are they all planned

You simply cannot name one that was not planned

Hi,

I named 3

Lots of room for legal maneuver with that one. Did he hit him once or repeatedly? The latter goes toward intent, but could be mitigated by being temporarily of unsound mind (rage).

If he hit him just once, again in anger, it could be argued the death was unintentional and therefore manslaughter.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I've lost faith in the people of this country and don't think it's a good idea to put someone's life in the hands of a jury who voted for brexit and Boris Johnson.

How do you know they voted for either?

Don't forget it was a close run thing.

So many people assume that if you vote Tory you voted brexit and vice versa. That really isn’t the case.

Are people still banging on about this?

No idea. I don’t frequent the politics forum. First time I’ve “banged”’ "

I've forgotten what banging is.

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By * AND R 777Couple over a year ago

Teesside

Yes but only for people who post crap on the fourms

and the ones who let there dogs crap outside your house

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I never knew there was so many lawyers on fab btw. Impressive.

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By *ora the explorerWoman over a year ago

Paradise, Herts

"I've lost faith in the people of this country and don't think it's a good idea to put someone's life in the hands of a jury who voted for brexit and Boris Johnson.

How do you know they voted for either?

Don't forget it was a close run thing.

So many people assume that if you vote Tory you voted brexit and vice versa. That really isn’t the case.

Are people still banging on about this?

No idea. I don’t frequent the politics forum. First time I’ve “banged”’

I've forgotten what banging is."

Haha. You’re back! Just realised who you are

. Tried to message but I see you have your friendly filters on

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By *aitonelMan over a year ago

Liverpool

"I never knew there was so many lawyers on fab btw. Impressive. "

Court of public opinion spits them out by the second

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"The death penalty does not save money either. It costs *more* than life imprisonment. See the situation in the US.

It is chilling in the extreme to see how easily and joyfully some people leap to advocating the death of other humans. "

Yeah and the worst thing is you'd make us out to be as scummy as the actual monsters who commit the most horrific of crimes just because we don't want people like that to exist. Some people are nothing but evil monsters waiting to ruin another life. I wouldn't lose any sleep knowing people like that were gone from this world for good. It's just a shame it would never work, it isn't worth the risk of innocent lives being lost. But I'd fully support it if it was a system with no flaws. I don't think that could ever happen.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Apply the Categorical Imperative. Those who support the death penalty. Let’s forget the fantasy of pedo lynching and psycho murderers. Tomorrow your son, mother, wife, best mate goes to the gallows. They have been convicted by a jury. You have the power to stop the execution.

Do you let them be executed? "

Justice is pure, straight, and impartial, and she only punishes those whom the weight of evidence condemns.

There cannot be any favouritism for true justice to prevail.

Question would be on the integrity of jury selected (as we've already touched on the topic of corruption, etc.).

So you would have at ask yourself if any member of your family were to have committed the crime, what would you do.

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By *oxy jWoman over a year ago

somerset

no is my answer but there should be harsher sentencing for some crimes also the prison service is expensive on the tax payer they should be made to work x amount of hours for privileges and pocket money with the rest going towards the cost of keeping prisons running and those of lesser crimes should be bigger re education packages how we keep prisoners needs a massive reform ... just my opinion forwards its what we need not backwards ..

prison jobs ?? recycling plastics and carbord paper type thing jobs that people dont want they they can do is just an idea

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By *ucka39Man over a year ago

Newcastle

"If someone was 100% guilty of something horrific then yes, I'm all for it. But sadly it would be abused, rigged and innocent people would die. If only it was straightforward.

I disagree. DNA proves it! by 50 million to one.

Any murderer of children or police should have the lethal injection.

DNA is unreliable it's partial evidence you need to peace things around it which could also be circumstantial DNA can be placed at a crime scene you need further clues then a motive

As for premeditated if anyone remembers back in 1980s was a guy who was planning to kill someone but a day or so just before the police Swooped in his home and everything was laid out ready the guy was given a life sentence even though he hadn't committed it but was stopped in his tracks because was enough evidence to commit the act I remember it very well from then was on crime watch might have been in London but not sure

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By *avie65Man over a year ago

In the west.

Like corporal punishment in schools the death penalty shouldn't be brought back. If someone is convicted of murder or child abuse there should be a while life term as there needs to be some sort of deterent.

I was a regular attender at the front of the class for the belt when I was at school. I didn't fear it the way I once did but what right does an adult have to inflict pain on a child. What right do we as society have to kill another human!

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By * and M lookingCouple over a year ago

Worcester

"I never knew there was so many lawyers on fab btw. Impressive. "

Now if the law was that the lawyers got sent down with their clients if they lose then the legal system might actually begin to work instead of loophole justice that we have now.

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By *tephTV67TV/TS over a year ago

Cheshire

They got 30p Lee to bring it up, the Government. Anything to distract the great unwashed over their declining living standards. It’ll get the Daily Fail and Scum readers in a tizz, hopefully get them all flustered to vote them in again.

Honestly those at the top are laughing at us, throw out a bone and we are all about murders and peados and ignore the strikes, cost of living and inflation.

And no, I’m not in favour of a Death Penalty, think I trust a Tory government

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By *ty31Man over a year ago

NW London

What do I think about other people (Tory MPs included) being pro death penalty?

It's a democracy - people are entitled to their opinions no matter how old fashioned and "unwoke" they may be.

Am I in favour of bringing back the death penalty?

No. I think it's unChristian and I don't believe in an eye for an eye.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I agree with the post's about pedophiles. That's planned, most murders aren't planned, yet death penalty kills them. The latter in this country gets a slap on the hand

All murders are planned. Name one that wasn't How are they all planned

You simply cannot name one that was not planned

Hi,

I named 3

Lots of room for legal maneuver with that one. Did he hit him once or repeatedly? The latter goes toward intent, but could be mitigated by being temporarily of unsound mind (rage).

If he hit him just once, again in anger, it could be argued the death was unintentional and therefore manslaughter."
you can try and argue it ... But doesn't mean you will get it down graded. It can still be seen as murder given coroner's and justice act 2009.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Death penalty for

Murder

Rape

Pedo

No doubt if there is something worse even better

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By *TG3Man over a year ago

Dorchester

"Rishi sunak, our prime minister was asked about his Conservative colleagues thoughts of bringing back the death penalty in this country. He didn't give a descive answer? What do you think

"
what crime has he committed?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Death penalty for

Murder

Rape

Pedo

No doubt if there is something worse even better"

Drug mafia too

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Do you let them be executed?

Justice is pure, straight, and impartial, and she only punishes those whom the weight of evidence condemns.

There cannot be any favouritism for true justice to prevail.

Question would be on the integrity of jury selected (as we've already touched on the topic of corruption, etc.).

So you would have at ask yourself if any member of your family were to have committed the crime, what would you do.

As I said, the loved one has been convicted by a jury. This isn’t a question of jurisprudence. It’s very simple. Someone you love will die by the state in the morning. You can stop it. Would you?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I agree with the post's about pedophiles. That's planned, most murders aren't planned, yet death penalty kills them. The latter in this country gets a slap on the hand

All murders are planned. Name one that wasn't How are they all planned

You simply cannot name one that was not planned

Hi,

I named 3

Lots of room for legal maneuver with that one. Did he hit him once or repeatedly? The latter goes toward intent, but could be mitigated by being temporarily of unsound mind (rage).

If he hit him just once, again in anger, it could be argued the death was unintentional and therefore manslaughter.you can try and argue it ... But doesn't mean you will get it down graded. It can still be seen as murder given coroner's and justice act 2009. "

Hence, lots of room for legal maneuver..

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By *wisted999Man over a year ago

North Bucks

Wouldn’t lose any sleep over it if there was a fool proof way of determining guilt.

But there isn’t. So no.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

You would think suffering in prison for the rest their life should be more punishment than getting the death penalty.. but now its a holiday park for them inside.

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By *rLothbrokMan over a year ago

Lancs

The justice system is not infallible, because people are not infallible.

Too many people have fallen victim to a miscarriage of justice throughout the years.

There are still miscarriages of justice happening today, and people being cleared of crimes, that will be looked over and not even mentioned by media or those in power over the justice system.

A large scale reform is required, but the death penalty should never be part of the discussion.

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By *ucka39Man over a year ago

Newcastle

"I never knew there was so many lawyers on fab btw. Impressive.

Now if the law was that the lawyers got sent down with their clients if they lose then the legal system might actually begin to work instead of loophole justice that we have now."

Totally and less plea bargaining

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

The deathe sentence doesnt solve crime in countries where its in place. It didnt stop the serial killers, paedos or any other criminal acts mentioned here. Not to mention those tasked with the job of carrying it out. Killing someone for killing someone doesnt make sense to me so its a no from me.

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By *ackformore100Man over a year ago

Tin town

It won't happen. Not even sure why it's in the news. Must be a smoke screen for something else.

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By *riar BelisseWoman over a year ago

Delightful Bliss

"You would think suffering in prison for the rest their life should be more punishment than getting the death penalty.. but now its a holiday park for them inside. "

Prison should be used as a tool to remove a person from society as they cannot comply with society's laws. In which time said person, shall receive rehabilitation until they are deemed fit enough, to be a functioning member of society again.

But yes I agree prison Is a joke nowadays and I feel sorry for the prison staff and all the crap they have to deal with

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By *ucka39Man over a year ago

Newcastle

Their are already thousands of people serving an IPP whom claim to be innocent yet even after doing their time are still stuck inside because they won't get out unless they are able to show low risk by doing course work if you claim to be innocent your unsuitable to do it meaning not getting out so it's a a life sentence.....

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By *illloganMan over a year ago

Essex

"Prisoners rights should be removed.

30 people in a rotten cell with a hole in the floor, not a decent bedroom with a TV and a PlayStation.

Work for their food or starve, no free anything. 23 hour lock up.

Get caught stealing? Hands cut off.

There are safer countries with strict justice systems and shit hole prisons because people respect the law as it has horrific consequences.

I've waited in longer lines for mcdonald's than criminals serve sentences.

Joke country.

The actual evidence is that treating prisoners humanely reduces reoffending and thus leads to a safer society.

But so continue to get yourself worked up about punishing people. Maybe take it to the fantasies section though. "

PlayStations and pool tables are literally luxuries that non criminals often don't have the pleasure of accessing.

"reducing reoffending"... so they offend in the first place and then only have a reduced chance of not doing it again.

What an absolute joke, prison should be feared and so bad that you never consider going back, not a holiday camp for criminals to network with other criminals.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I agree with the post's about pedophiles. That's planned, most murders aren't planned, yet death penalty kills them. The latter in this country gets a slap on the hand

All murders are planned. Name one that wasn't "

Kenneth Noye? Killed Stephen Cameron in a road rage incident in 1996.

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By *illloganMan over a year ago

Essex

Seems to be a big lack of understanding when it comes to what murder is in here.

Murder is premeditated, planned.

Manslaughter is not.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I agree with the post's about pedophiles. That's planned, most murders aren't planned, yet death penalty kills them. The latter in this country gets a slap on the hand

All murders are planned. Name one that wasn't How are they all planned

You simply cannot name one that was not planned

Hi,

I named 3

No,you did not

No problem.

Sally Clark, convicted of murdering her infant sons, late 90s. Conviction overturned.

Then that was not a planned murder.Give coherent arguments or don't bother

Be polite or don’t bother!

Originally she was convicted. The courts judged her guilty of murdering her infant children.

Hard to be polite to someone who understands little and cannot argue her case.

The woman you name was innocent, therefore it was not a murder planned by her.

You have not and cannot name any.

End of.You will receive no more debate from me

That’s fine, you’re rude."

Careful Red, he'll send you an insulting DM, and block you before you get the chance to reply.

He's got previous for it.

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By *agerMorganMan over a year ago

Canvey Island

No. It should not come back and here’s why.

Albert Pierrepoint, the last UK executioner said that hanging “is said to be a deterrent. I cannot agree. There have been murders since the beginning of time, and we shall go on looking for deterrents until the end of time. If death were a deterrent, I might be expected to know.”

And he’s right, capital punishment does not deter someone from committing whatever act it warrants.

On top of that, how 100% sure are you all that support it that, when you condemn someone to die, that they actually did it? It has to be 100%, it cannot be 99.999 or 99.99999, otherwise if there’s a sliver of doubt, you’ve killed an innocent person and forensics and investigations do get it wrong.

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By *ackandsashaCouple over a year ago

West Dublin

Maguire 7. Birmingham 6. Guilford 4. All found 100% guilty. I googled a list of murder convictions overturned in the UK to back up my answer. Google instead gave me a list of wrongly executed people in the UK from when executions were still law. It's a long list. Even worse in the U.S.

So no. I don't think capital punishment should be brought back.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Seems to be a big lack of understanding when it comes to what murder is in here.

Murder is premeditated, planned.

Manslaughter is not. "

Incorrect.

Murder can be premeditated...but can also be spontaneous.

Murder is defined by the intent.

Please refer to the CPS website.

MURDER:

Subject to three exceptions (see Partial Defences to Murder below) the crime of murder is committed, where a person:

Of sound mind and discretion (i.e. sane);

unlawfully kills (i.e. not self-defence or other justified killing);

any reasonable creature (human being);

in being (born alive and breathing through its own lungs - Rance v Mid-Downs Health Authority (1991) 1 All ER 801 and AG Ref No 3 of 1994 (1997) 3 All ER 936;

under the King's Peace (not in war-time);

with intent to kill or cause grievous bodily harm (GBH).

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I agree with the post's about pedophiles. That's planned, most murders aren't planned, yet death penalty kills them. The latter in this country gets a slap on the hand

All murders are planned. Name one that wasn't

Kenneth Noye? Killed Stephen Cameron in a road rage incident in 1996.

He also killed an undercover police officer who he discovered in the grounds of his his house when he was under surveillance during the Brinks Mat investigation. Stabbed him multiple times with a garden fork/pitchfork as he lay on the ground. His defence argued that because the officer was all in camouflage Noye was rightly afraid for his life. He got away with manslaughter. The fact that he had dodgy police masonic buddies had nothing to do with that......allegedly.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

In a word no

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Couzens,Bellfield, West,Nielsen, Brady, Huntley,Hindley, Sutcliffe, the list goes on.

Come on do gooders, defend them

And for the avoidance of doubt those innocent people include you. All of us in fact."

I addressed this earlier

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I agree with the post's about pedophiles. That's planned, most murders aren't planned, yet death penalty kills them. The latter in this country gets a slap on the hand

All murders are planned. Name one that wasn't

Kenneth Noye? Killed Stephen Cameron in a road rage incident in 1996.

Not right. He took a large knife from the kitchen and stabbed in five times in the back and five times in the front.

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By *ohnnyTwoNotesMan over a year ago

golden fields

"Maguire 7. Birmingham 6. Guilford 4. All found 100% guilty. I googled a list of murder convictions overturned in the UK to back up my answer. Google instead gave me a list of wrongly executed people in the UK from when executions were still law. It's a long list. Even worse in the U.S.

So no. I don't think capital punishment should be brought back.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"No. It should not come back and here’s why.

And he’s right, capital punishment does not deter someone from committing whatever act it warrants.

As I said before I do not want a deterrent, I want vengeful justice for the victims and their families

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By *ornucopiaMan over a year ago

Bexley

...

All murders are planned. Name one that wasn't How are they all planned

Shouldn't answer a question with a question.

A statement of fact,all murders are planned. "

Don't forget, it is always better to print the word

'FACT' in capitals. That makes the fact irrefutable!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

So no. I don't think capital punishment should be brought back.

Maguire 7 were not convicted of murder but regardless the convictions for all listed were overturned on technicalities plus its from 50 years ago. Science has moved on. Plus as I said earlier anyone convicted would not be executed immediately. Have a ten year delay with full reviews at five and ten years, then hang them

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

...

All murders are planned. Name one that wasn't How are they all planned

Shouldn't answer a question with a question.

A statement of fact,all murders are planned.

Don't forget, it is always better to print the word

'FACT' in capitals. That makes the fact irrefutable!"

Did I do that? No, so Mr copy and paste, so pull your big boy pants back up and off you toddle

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I agree with the post's about pedophiles. That's planned, most murders aren't planned, yet death penalty kills them. The latter in this country gets a slap on the hand

All murders are planned. Name one that wasn't How are they all planned

You simply cannot name one that was not planned

Hi,

I named 3

No,you did not

No problem.

Sally Clark, convicted of murdering her infant sons, late 90s. Conviction overturned.

Then that was not a planned murder.Give coherent arguments or don't bother

Be polite or don’t bother!

Originally she was convicted. The courts judged her guilty of murdering her infant children.

Hard to be polite to someone who understands little and cannot argue her case.

The woman you name was innocent, therefore it was not a murder planned by her.

You have not and cannot name any.

End of.You will receive no more debate from me

That’s fine, you’re rude.

Careful Red, he'll send you an insulting DM, and block you before you get the chance to reply.

He's got previous for it.

Yet, it is you who have blocked me. Lol. How pathetic you are

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Reading most of the comments here, none of you have experienced any loss and are blinkered apologists for murderers. Very sad individuals

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By *agerMorganMan over a year ago

Canvey Island

"No. It should not come back and here’s why.

And he’s right, capital punishment does not deter someone from committing whatever act it warrants.

As I said before I do not want a deterrent, I want vengeful justice for the victims and their families"

That’s not justice in anyway shape or form then. That’s inflicting pain and misery on the executed’s family for the actions of one person.

Far far cheaper to lock them up for life than to carry out executions.

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By *ornucopiaMan over a year ago

Bexley

"Reading most of the comments here, none of you have experienced any loss and are blinkered apologists for murderers. Very sad individuals"

Blimey.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"No. It should not come back and here’s why.

And he’s right, capital punishment does not deter someone from committing whatever act it warrants.

As I said before I do not want a deterrent, I want vengeful justice for the victims and their families

That’s not justice in anyway shape or form then. That’s inflicting pain and misery on the executed’s family for the actions of one person.

Far far cheaper to lock them up for life than to carry out executions. "

£42k a year for basic prisoners, high risk double that. Average lifespan of these people 30 years plus. Costs millions, length of rope 10 quid.

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By *agerMorganMan over a year ago

Canvey Island

"No. It should not come back and here’s why.

And he’s right, capital punishment does not deter someone from committing whatever act it warrants.

As I said before I do not want a deterrent, I want vengeful justice for the victims and their families

That’s not justice in anyway shape or form then. That’s inflicting pain and misery on the executed’s family for the actions of one person.

Far far cheaper to lock them up for life than to carry out executions.

£42k a year for basic prisoners, high risk double that. Average lifespan of these people 30 years plus. Costs millions, length of rope 10 quid."

You’re bloody deluded

It’s way way more to keep someone on death row than it is life in prison.

Hell, even in the US the average time on death row is 30 years plus.

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By *ohnnyTwoNotesMan over a year ago

golden fields

"Reading most of the comments here, none of you have experienced any loss and are blinkered apologists for murderers. Very sad individuals"

Which ones, the pro, or anti capital punishment people?

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By *ucka39Man over a year ago

Newcastle

"Seems to be a big lack of understanding when it comes to what murder is in here.

Murder is premeditated, planned.

Manslaughter is not.

Incorrect.

Murder can be premeditated...but can also be spontaneous.

Murder is defined by the intent.

Please refer to the CPS website.

MURDER:

Subject to three exceptions (see Partial Defences to Murder below) the crime of murder is committed, where a person:

Of sound mind and discretion (i.e. sane);

unlawfully kills (i.e. not self-defence or other justified killing);

any reasonable creature (human being);

in being (born alive and breathing through its own lungs - Rance v Mid-Downs Health Authority (1991) 1 All ER 801 and AG Ref No 3 of 1994 (1997) 3 All ER 936;

under the King's Peace (not in war-time);

with intent to kill or cause grievous bodily harm (GBH)."

Self defense if a person is trying to defend themselves and kills the other it's still murder but if available lesser charge manslaughter

If an intruder comes into your home your not allowed to harm him/her as that's a criminal offence which you can be charged with even though they shouldn't be their

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By *agerMorganMan over a year ago

Canvey Island

"Seems to be a big lack of understanding when it comes to what murder is in here.

Murder is premeditated, planned.

Manslaughter is not.

Incorrect.

Murder can be premeditated...but can also be spontaneous.

Murder is defined by the intent.

Please refer to the CPS website.

MURDER:

Subject to three exceptions (see Partial Defences to Murder below) the crime of murder is committed, where a person:

Of sound mind and discretion (i.e. sane);

unlawfully kills (i.e. not self-defence or other justified killing);

any reasonable creature (human being);

in being (born alive and breathing through its own lungs - Rance v Mid-Downs Health Authority (1991) 1 All ER 801 and AG Ref No 3 of 1994 (1997) 3 All ER 936;

under the King's Peace (not in war-time);

with intent to kill or cause grievous bodily harm (GBH).

Self defense if a person is trying to defend themselves and kills the other it's still murder but if available lesser charge manslaughter

If an intruder comes into your home your not allowed to harm him/her as that's a criminal offence which you can be charged with even though they shouldn't be their

Lemme clear that up for you, if someone comes into your home, you’re allowed to defend yourself WITH REASONABLE FORCE.

That is, if someone comes in with a bat, you can’t smash them over the head with a hammer. It has to be reasonable and proportionate.

It came about because of Tony Martin, he chased a couple kids and blew em away with a shotgun, that’s not “reasonable”, it was malicious.

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By *arkyp_321Man over a year ago

East Kilbride

These proposals are usual put forward by the right wingers, normally opposed to state intervention. Yet here they are supporting the ultimate state intervention ..taking away life ..

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By *elle and JamesCouple over a year ago

Hornchurch

"Couzens,Bellfield, West,Nielsen, Brady, Huntley,Hindley, Sutcliffe, the list goes on.

Come on do gooders, defend them

And for the avoidance of doubt those innocent people include you. All of us in fact.

I addressed this earlier"

You did, I didn't notice I'm afraid.

However, if after ten years say, the person who gave false evidence against you that led to your conviction had still not returned from Outer Mongolia, or the forensic people still hadn't been able to piece together the ashes of the terrible DNA lab fire or whatever are you prepared to quietly take that last walk to the drop? You're a braver man than me.

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By *ucka39Man over a year ago

Newcastle

"Seems to be a big lack of understanding when it comes to what murder is in here.

Murder is premeditated, planned.

Manslaughter is not.

Incorrect.

Murder can be premeditated...but can also be spontaneous.

Murder is defined by the intent.

Please refer to the CPS website.

MURDER:

Subject to three exceptions (see Partial Defences to Murder below) the crime of murder is committed, where a person:

Of sound mind and discretion (i.e. sane);

unlawfully kills (i.e. not self-defence or other justified killing);

any reasonable creature (human being);

in being (born alive and breathing through its own lungs - Rance v Mid-Downs Health Authority (1991) 1 All ER 801 and AG Ref No 3 of 1994 (1997) 3 All ER 936;

under the King's Peace (not in war-time);

with intent to kill or cause grievous bodily harm (GBH).

Self defense if a person is trying to defend themselves and kills the other it's still murder but if available lesser charge manslaughter

If an intruder comes into your home your not allowed to harm him/her as that's a criminal offence which you can be charged with even though they shouldn't be their

Lemme clear that up for you, if someone comes into your home, you’re allowed to defend yourself WITH REASONABLE FORCE.

That is, if someone comes in with a bat, you can’t smash them over the head with a hammer. It has to be reasonable and proportionate.

It came about because of Tony Martin, he chased a couple kids and blew em away with a shotgun, that’s not “reasonable”, it was malicious. "

Tony case was different as they were leaving. As you've said yes true re rest but given circumstances you also need to think about what length they might go to so it comes under I suspected that my life was in danger so acted with pure intentions to defend

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By *estivalMan over a year ago

borehamwood

"Seems to be a big lack of understanding when it comes to what murder is in here.

Murder is premeditated, planned.

Manslaughter is not.

Incorrect.

Murder can be premeditated...but can also be spontaneous.

Murder is defined by the intent.

Please refer to the CPS website.

MURDER:

Subject to three exceptions (see Partial Defences to Murder below) the crime of murder is committed, where a person:

Of sound mind and discretion (i.e. sane);

unlawfully kills (i.e. not self-defence or other justified killing);

any reasonable creature (human being);

in being (born alive and breathing through its own lungs - Rance v Mid-Downs Health Authority (1991) 1 All ER 801 and AG Ref No 3 of 1994 (1997) 3 All ER 936;

under the King's Peace (not in war-time);

with intent to kill or cause grievous bodily harm (GBH).

Self defense if a person is trying to defend themselves and kills the other it's still murder but if available lesser charge manslaughter

If an intruder comes into your home your not allowed to harm him/her as that's a criminal offence which you can be charged with even though they shouldn't be their

Lemme clear that up for you, if someone comes into your home, you’re allowed to defend yourself WITH REASONABLE FORCE.

That is, if someone comes in with a bat, you can’t smash them over the head with a hammer. It has to be reasonable and proportionate.

It came about because of Tony Martin, he chased a couple kids and blew em away with a shotgun, that’s not “reasonable”, it was malicious. "
a cpl of kids pmsl one was late teens one was a grown man, play stupid games win stupid prizes, lets be honest if they wasnt robbing him they would of been ripping someone off tarmacking there driveway

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I believe in the death penalty if all evidence proves such. Plenty of instances here we're violent criminals kill guards because they have a life Sentence they do not care what's the worse that can happen. What punishment then ?

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By *rLothbrokMan over a year ago

Lancs

So no. I don't think capital punishment should be brought back.

Science has moved on… it has, but it still doesn’t stop people from manipulating the findings, or police/CPS from failing to disclose evidence. Recent manipulations include Randox testing facilities in Manchester. Failure to disclose is a widespread problem as found in investigation by both HMIC and HMCPSI.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I agree with the post's about pedophiles. That's planned, most murders aren't planned, yet death penalty kills them. The latter in this country gets a slap on the hand

All murders are planned. Name one that wasn't

Kenneth Noye? Killed Stephen Cameron in a road rage incident in 1996.

Not right. He took a large knife from the kitchen and stabbed in five times in the back and five times in the front. "

I stand corrected, and he was acquitted on the grounds of self defence. Dodgy as fuck..

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By *reenleavesCouple over a year ago

North Wales

Do they still have murders and child abuse in the countries / states with the death penalty?

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By *ackandsashaCouple over a year ago

West Dublin

"Reading most of the comments here, none of you have experienced any loss and are blinkered apologists for murderers. Very sad individuals"

If I had suffered the loss of a loved one by murder, I very possibly would be screaming for revenge or an eye for an eye. But I haven't, thank God. So I have what I believe to be a morally right , unbiased opinion.

I find it repulsive that a warden or prison guard could calmly walk up to a restrained person, and inject that person with chemicals to kill them. Or attach electrodes to send lethal doses of electricity through a human being.

Again, I concede that if I was blinded by the death of someone I would not think the same.

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