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Lee Anderson: new deputy chair of the Tory party
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"Hahaha they really picked him? There's no possible way this will go wrong. I predict completely smooth sailing from now on." 30p Lee, he really is as thick as shit  | |||
"Hahaha they really picked him? There's no possible way this will go wrong. I predict completely smooth sailing from now on. 30p Lee, he really is as thick as shit "Fear not. I'm sure he won't be caught saying something awful in the future or assualting some1 on camera or get entangled in something v grubby. I predict he'll be wonderful & completely upstanding. A pillar of moral rectitude. | |||
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"You reckon they know they're sinking and have chosen Anderson to piss off Labour supporters in before they go?" Possibly lol | |||
"You reckon they know they're sinking and have chosen Anderson to piss off Labour supporters in before they go? Possibly lol" I'd say its working so far  | |||
"You reckon they know they're sinking and have chosen Anderson to piss off Labour supporters in before they go? Possibly lol I'd say its working so far "Feel free to go out & do a poll of Labour supporters, if you like. | |||
"You reckon they know they're sinking and have chosen Anderson to piss off Labour supporters in before they go?" Most people are laughing at him and the Tory party | |||
"You reckon they know they're sinking and have chosen Anderson to piss off Labour supporters in before they go? Possibly lol I'd say its working so far "He used to be a labour councillor, until he was sacked, he is comedy gold | |||
"You reckon they know they're sinking and have chosen Anderson to piss off Labour supporters in before they go? Most people are laughing at him and the Tory party " My 1st reaction when I saw Anderson had been appointed actually was disbelieving laughter. | |||
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"I'll be amazed if Anderson makes it to the end of the year without saying or doing something so stupid it results in his removal. We'll see, I guess..." It will be fun to watch, I guess he was the best option they had  | |||
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"Most people ? You must know a lot of people" I do, | |||
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"Took you a while to come up with that answer" That's a hell of a gotcha right there. Serves him right for not replying at lightning speed, I guess. | |||
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"You reckon they know they're sinking and have chosen Anderson to piss off Labour supporters in before they go? Most people are laughing at him and the Tory party " I've just had a quick scroll of twitter, there's some people laughing but not that many | |||
"You reckon they know they're sinking and have chosen Anderson to piss off Labour supporters in before they go? Most people are laughing at him and the Tory party I've just had a quick scroll of twitter, there's some people laughing but not that many "no your wrong,it's most people | |||
"You reckon they know they're sinking and have chosen Anderson to piss off Labour supporters in before they go? Most people are laughing at him and the Tory party I've just had a quick scroll of twitter, there's some people laughing but not that many "Just went to have a look. Roy Walker is trending lol | |||
"You reckon they know they're sinking and have chosen Anderson to piss off Labour supporters in before they go? Most people are laughing at him and the Tory party I've just had a quick scroll of twitter, there's some people laughing but not that many
Just went to have a look. Roy Walker is trending lol"I hope he hasn’t died, anyway, is there anyone who thinks 30p Lee has the credentials and is the right man for the job (without mentioning winding up the woke and lefties) | |||
"You reckon they know they're sinking and have chosen Anderson to piss off Labour supporters in before they go? Most people are laughing at him and the Tory party I've just had a quick scroll of twitter, there's some people laughing but not that many
Just went to have a look. Roy Walker is trending lol
I hope he hasn’t died, anyway, is there anyone who thinks 30p Lee has the credentials and is the right man for the job (without mentioning winding up the woke and lefties) "No one has mentioned the woke or lefties. Why are you attempting to shut doen debate before it even starts again? | |||
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"You reckon they know they're sinking and have chosen Anderson to piss off Labour supporters in before they go? Most people are laughing at him and the Tory party I've just had a quick scroll of twitter, there's some people laughing but not that many
Just went to have a look. Roy Walker is trending lol
I hope he hasn’t died, anyway, is there anyone who thinks 30p Lee has the credentials and is the right man for the job (without mentioning winding up the woke and lefties)
No one has mentioned the woke or lefties. Why are you attempting to shut doen debate before it even starts again?"My prerogative, do you think he is the right man for the job, | |||
"Can't wait to see if they trust this deputy chair to do the media rounds lol " It will be funny to watch, have you seen the video of him with Micheal Crick, hilarious | |||
"You reckon they know they're sinking and have chosen Anderson to piss off Labour supporters in before they go? Most people are laughing at him and the Tory party I've just had a quick scroll of twitter, there's some people laughing but not that many
Just went to have a look. Roy Walker is trending lol
I hope he hasn’t died, anyway, is there anyone who thinks 30p Lee has the credentials and is the right man for the job (without mentioning winding up the woke and lefties)
No one has mentioned the woke or lefties. Why are you attempting to shut doen debate before it even starts again?
My prerogative, do you think he is the right man for the job, "Oh I do apologise, I didn’t realise you owned the forum
I have no idea if he's the right man. The only thing I know about him is his 30p meals and the subsequent foaming at the mouth | |||
"Can't wait to see if they trust this deputy chair to do the media rounds lol It will be funny to watch, have you seen the video of him with Micheal Crick, hilarious "Was that when Anderson was caught on mic ringing a mate, telling them to pretend they didn't know him? Then Anderson popped up to meet this random member of the public on camera & they pretended they were just meeting for the 1st time? | |||
"You reckon they know they're sinking and have chosen Anderson to piss off Labour supporters in before they go? Most people are laughing at him and the Tory party I've just had a quick scroll of twitter, there's some people laughing but not that many
Just went to have a look. Roy Walker is trending lol
I hope he hasn’t died, anyway, is there anyone who thinks 30p Lee has the credentials and is the right man for the job (without mentioning winding up the woke and lefties)
No one has mentioned the woke or lefties. Why are you attempting to shut doen debate before it even starts again?
My prerogative, do you think he is the right man for the job,
Oh I do apologise, I didn’t realise you owned the forum
I have no idea if he's the right man. The only thing I know about him is his 30p meals and the subsequent foaming at the mouth"Do you have an opinion? | |||
"Can't wait to see if they trust this deputy chair to do the media rounds lol It will be funny to watch, have you seen the video of him with Micheal Crick, hilarious
Was that when Anderson was caught on mic ringing a mate, telling them to pretend they didn't know him? Then Anderson popped up to meet this random member of the public on camera & they pretended they were just meeting for the 1st time?"That’s the one, | |||
"Can't wait to see if they trust this deputy chair to do the media rounds lol It will be funny to watch, have you seen the video of him with Micheal Crick, hilarious
Was that when Anderson was caught on mic ringing a mate, telling them to pretend they didn't know him? Then Anderson popped up to meet this random member of the public on camera & they pretended they were just meeting for the 1st time?
That’s the one, "Thanks. I was just checking it was that Lee Anderson who was caught on tape doing that. Good to have it confirmed. | |||
"You reckon they know they're sinking and have chosen Anderson to piss off Labour supporters in before they go? Most people are laughing at him and the Tory party I've just had a quick scroll of twitter, there's some people laughing but not that many
Just went to have a look. Roy Walker is trending lol
I hope he hasn’t died, anyway, is there anyone who thinks 30p Lee has the credentials and is the right man for the job (without mentioning winding up the woke and lefties)
No one has mentioned the woke or lefties. Why are you attempting to shut doen debate before it even starts again?
My prerogative, do you think he is the right man for the job,
Oh I do apologise, I didn’t realise you owned the forum
I have no idea if he's the right man. The only thing I know about him is his 30p meals and the subsequent foaming at the mouth
Do you have an opinion? "An opinion in what? | |||
"You reckon they know they're sinking and have chosen Anderson to piss off Labour supporters in before they go? Most people are laughing at him and the Tory party I've just had a quick scroll of twitter, there's some people laughing but not that many
Just went to have a look. Roy Walker is trending lol
I hope he hasn’t died, anyway, is there anyone who thinks 30p Lee has the credentials and is the right man for the job (without mentioning winding up the woke and lefties)
No one has mentioned the woke or lefties. Why are you attempting to shut doen debate before it even starts again?
My prerogative, do you think he is the right man for the job,
Oh I do apologise, I didn’t realise you owned the forum
I have no idea if he's the right man. The only thing I know about him is his 30p meals and the subsequent foaming at the mouth
Do you have an opinion?
An opinion in what?"Do you ‘think’ Lee Anderson will be a good deputy chairman of the Tory Party | |||
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"You reckon they know they're sinking and have chosen Anderson to piss off Labour supporters in before they go? Most people are laughing at him and the Tory party I've just had a quick scroll of twitter, there's some people laughing but not that many
Just went to have a look. Roy Walker is trending lol
I hope he hasn’t died, anyway, is there anyone who thinks 30p Lee has the credentials and is the right man for the job (without mentioning winding up the woke and lefties)
No one has mentioned the woke or lefties. Why are you attempting to shut doen debate before it even starts again?
My prerogative, do you think he is the right man for the job,
Oh I do apologise, I didn’t realise you owned the forum
I have no idea if he's the right man. The only thing I know about him is his 30p meals and the subsequent foaming at the mouth
Do you have an opinion?
An opinion in what?
Do you ‘think’ Lee Anderson will be a good deputy chairman of the Tory Party "How can I make a decision when I don't know anything about him? What a ridiculous question. | |||
"You reckon they know they're sinking and have chosen Anderson to piss off Labour supporters in before they go? Most people are laughing at him and the Tory party I've just had a quick scroll of twitter, there's some people laughing but not that many
Just went to have a look. Roy Walker is trending lol
I hope he hasn’t died, anyway, is there anyone who thinks 30p Lee has the credentials and is the right man for the job (without mentioning winding up the woke and lefties)
No one has mentioned the woke or lefties. Why are you attempting to shut doen debate before it even starts again?
My prerogative, do you think he is the right man for the job,
Oh I do apologise, I didn’t realise you owned the forum
I have no idea if he's the right man. The only thing I know about him is his 30p meals and the subsequent foaming at the mouth
Do you have an opinion?
An opinion in what?
Do you ‘think’ Lee Anderson will be a good deputy chairman of the Tory Party
How can I make a decision when I don't know anything about him?
What a ridiculous question." | |||
"You reckon they know they're sinking and have chosen Anderson to piss off Labour supporters in before they go? Most people are laughing at him and the Tory party I've just had a quick scroll of twitter, there's some people laughing but not that many
Just went to have a look. Roy Walker is trending lol
I hope he hasn’t died, anyway, is there anyone who thinks 30p Lee has the credentials and is the right man for the job (without mentioning winding up the woke and lefties)
No one has mentioned the woke or lefties. Why are you attempting to shut doen debate before it even starts again?
My prerogative, do you think he is the right man for the job,
Oh I do apologise, I didn’t realise you owned the forum
I have no idea if he's the right man. The only thing I know about him is his 30p meals and the subsequent foaming at the mouth
Do you have an opinion?
An opinion in what?
Do you ‘think’ Lee Anderson will be a good deputy chairman of the Tory Party
How can I make a decision when I don't know anything about him?
What a ridiculous question."Look him up if you wanna know more about him. Or just wait until Anderson says something stupid or nasty. That might be quicker, to be fair. | |||
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"Steve Bray will love this. " Bray and Anderson are best of mates. I'm sure Bray is raising a glass, toasting Anderson's elevation as we speak. | |||
"You reckon they know they're sinking and have chosen Anderson to piss off Labour supporters in before they go? Most people are laughing at him and the Tory party I've just had a quick scroll of twitter, there's some people laughing but not that many
Just went to have a look. Roy Walker is trending lol
I hope he hasn’t died, anyway, is there anyone who thinks 30p Lee has the credentials and is the right man for the job (without mentioning winding up the woke and lefties)
No one has mentioned the woke or lefties. Why are you attempting to shut doen debate before it even starts again?
My prerogative, do you think he is the right man for the job,
Oh I do apologise, I didn’t realise you owned the forum
I have no idea if he's the right man. The only thing I know about him is his 30p meals and the subsequent foaming at the mouth
Do you have an opinion?
An opinion in what?
Do you ‘think’ Lee Anderson will be a good deputy chairman of the Tory Party
How can I make a decision when I don't know anything about him?
What a ridiculous question.
Look him up if you wanna know more about him. Or just wait until Anderson says something stupid or nasty. That might be quicker, to be fair."Looking him up I doubt will give me an insight into his ability as a chairperson (deputy at that). I get it, the left don't like him, it would appear the right do. | |||
"You reckon they know they're sinking and have chosen Anderson to piss off Labour supporters in before they go? Most people are laughing at him and the Tory party I've just had a quick scroll of twitter, there's some people laughing but not that many
Just went to have a look. Roy Walker is trending lol
I hope he hasn’t died, anyway, is there anyone who thinks 30p Lee has the credentials and is the right man for the job (without mentioning winding up the woke and lefties)
No one has mentioned the woke or lefties. Why are you attempting to shut doen debate before it even starts again?
My prerogative, do you think he is the right man for the job,
Oh I do apologise, I didn’t realise you owned the forum
I have no idea if he's the right man. The only thing I know about him is his 30p meals and the subsequent foaming at the mouth
Do you have an opinion?
An opinion in what?
Do you ‘think’ Lee Anderson will be a good deputy chairman of the Tory Party
How can I make a decision when I don't know anything about him?
What a ridiculous question.
Look him up if you wanna know more about him. Or just wait until Anderson says something stupid or nasty. That might be quicker, to be fair.
Looking him up I doubt will give me an insight into his ability as a chairperson (deputy at that).
I get it, the left don't like him, it would appear the right do."Quote attributed to a Tory MP: Lee Anderson is everything that is wrong with the Conservative brand presently. He seems to rejoice in deliberately provoking and making agressive simplistic statements that fail to recognise the complexities of the issues facing the country. If this is the new Tory party, many will be forgiven for deserting it. Seems the right may not think a lot of Mr Anderson either... | |||
"You reckon they know they're sinking and have chosen Anderson to piss off Labour supporters in before they go? Most people are laughing at him and the Tory party I've just had a quick scroll of twitter, there's some people laughing but not that many
Just went to have a look. Roy Walker is trending lol
I hope he hasn’t died, anyway, is there anyone who thinks 30p Lee has the credentials and is the right man for the job (without mentioning winding up the woke and lefties)
No one has mentioned the woke or lefties. Why are you attempting to shut doen debate before it even starts again?
My prerogative, do you think he is the right man for the job,
Oh I do apologise, I didn’t realise you owned the forum
I have no idea if he's the right man. The only thing I know about him is his 30p meals and the subsequent foaming at the mouth
Do you have an opinion?
An opinion in what?
Do you ‘think’ Lee Anderson will be a good deputy chairman of the Tory Party
How can I make a decision when I don't know anything about him?
What a ridiculous question.
Look him up if you wanna know more about him. Or just wait until Anderson says something stupid or nasty. That might be quicker, to be fair.
Looking him up I doubt will give me an insight into his ability as a chairperson (deputy at that).
I get it, the left don't like him, it would appear the right do.
Quote attributed to a Tory MP:
Lee Anderson is everything that is wrong with the Conservative brand presently. He seems to rejoice in deliberately provoking and making agressive simplistic statements that fail to recognise the complexities of the issues facing the country. If this is the new Tory party, many will be forgiven for deserting it.
Seems the right may not think a lot of Mr Anderson either..." | |||
"You reckon they know they're sinking and have chosen Anderson to piss off Labour supporters in before they go? Most people are laughing at him and the Tory party I've just had a quick scroll of twitter, there's some people laughing but not that many
Just went to have a look. Roy Walker is trending lol
I hope he hasn’t died, anyway, is there anyone who thinks 30p Lee has the credentials and is the right man for the job (without mentioning winding up the woke and lefties)
No one has mentioned the woke or lefties. Why are you attempting to shut doen debate before it even starts again?
My prerogative, do you think he is the right man for the job,
Oh I do apologise, I didn’t realise you owned the forum
I have no idea if he's the right man. The only thing I know about him is his 30p meals and the subsequent foaming at the mouth
Do you have an opinion?
An opinion in what?
Do you ‘think’ Lee Anderson will be a good deputy chairman of the Tory Party
How can I make a decision when I don't know anything about him?
What a ridiculous question.
Look him up if you wanna know more about him. Or just wait until Anderson says something stupid or nasty. That might be quicker, to be fair.
Looking him up I doubt will give me an insight into his ability as a chairperson (deputy at that).
I get it, the left don't like him, it would appear the right do.
Quote attributed to a Tory MP:
Lee Anderson is everything that is wrong with the Conservative brand presently. He seems to rejoice in deliberately provoking and making agressive simplistic statements that fail to recognise the complexities of the issues facing the country. If this is the new Tory party, many will be forgiven for deserting it.
Seems the right may not think a lot of Mr Anderson either..."I take it this "Tory MP" will be deserting them then? | |||
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"Irrelevant who it is its still a fucking Tory despise them with all my being the carnage they have caused if sickening think of this as example. Covid wise people were foisted into care homes etc from hospital without checking if they were covid free. End result over 20,000 deaths as a result. Not 1 tory mp stood up to challenge this, folk missed seeing loved ones before dying. And by not challenging Boris over this and most other things makes them complicit in the deaths Remember during V E weekend Boris etc praising the sacrifices elders did and rightly praised while they were left to rot. Inaction is intself and action. If you look at fact a generation were sscrificed for political reasons this is form of genocide. Only difference with this and say Saddam Hussain and tbe kurdish people in Iraq and what happened here is the method of death Iraq used chemical weapons. Tories used Covid thats the only difference." I only read the first line | |||
"You reckon they know they're sinking and have chosen Anderson to piss off Labour supporters in before they go? Most people are laughing at him and the Tory party I've just had a quick scroll of twitter, there's some people laughing but not that many
Just went to have a look. Roy Walker is trending lol
I hope he hasn’t died, anyway, is there anyone who thinks 30p Lee has the credentials and is the right man for the job (without mentioning winding up the woke and lefties)
No one has mentioned the woke or lefties. Why are you attempting to shut doen debate before it even starts again?
My prerogative, do you think he is the right man for the job,
Oh I do apologise, I didn’t realise you owned the forum
I have no idea if he's the right man. The only thing I know about him is his 30p meals and the subsequent foaming at the mouth
Do you have an opinion?
An opinion in what?
Do you ‘think’ Lee Anderson will be a good deputy chairman of the Tory Party
How can I make a decision when I don't know anything about him?
What a ridiculous question.
Look him up if you wanna know more about him. Or just wait until Anderson says something stupid or nasty. That might be quicker, to be fair.
Looking him up I doubt will give me an insight into his ability as a chairperson (deputy at that).
I get it, the left don't like him, it would appear the right do.
Quote attributed to a Tory MP:
Lee Anderson is everything that is wrong with the Conservative brand presently. He seems to rejoice in deliberately provoking and making agressive simplistic statements that fail to recognise the complexities of the issues facing the country. If this is the new Tory party, many will be forgiven for deserting it.
Seems the right may not think a lot of Mr Anderson either...
I take it this "Tory MP" will be deserting them then? "Possibly. Leaked quote attributed to Mr Anderson when talking about the government recently: “It’s like the band on the Titanic. Playing the same tune and ignoring the obvious.” So will Mr Anderson be leaving the gov soon then? | |||
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"You reckon they know they're sinking and have chosen Anderson to piss off Labour supporters in before they go? Most people are laughing at him and the Tory party I've just had a quick scroll of twitter, there's some people laughing but not that many
Just went to have a look. Roy Walker is trending lol
I hope he hasn’t died, anyway, is there anyone who thinks 30p Lee has the credentials and is the right man for the job (without mentioning winding up the woke and lefties)
No one has mentioned the woke or lefties. Why are you attempting to shut doen debate before it even starts again?
My prerogative, do you think he is the right man for the job,
Oh I do apologise, I didn’t realise you owned the forum
I have no idea if he's the right man. The only thing I know about him is his 30p meals and the subsequent foaming at the mouth
Do you have an opinion?
An opinion in what?
Do you ‘think’ Lee Anderson will be a good deputy chairman of the Tory Party
How can I make a decision when I don't know anything about him?
What a ridiculous question.
Look him up if you wanna know more about him. Or just wait until Anderson says something stupid or nasty. That might be quicker, to be fair.
Looking him up I doubt will give me an insight into his ability as a chairperson (deputy at that).
I get it, the left don't like him, it would appear the right do.
Quote attributed to a Tory MP:
Lee Anderson is everything that is wrong with the Conservative brand presently. He seems to rejoice in deliberately provoking and making agressive simplistic statements that fail to recognise the complexities of the issues facing the country. If this is the new Tory party, many will be forgiven for deserting it.
Seems the right may not think a lot of Mr Anderson either...
I take it this "Tory MP" will be deserting them then?
Possibly.
Leaked quote attributed to Mr Anderson when talking about the government recently:
“It’s like the band on the Titanic. Playing the same tune and ignoring the obvious.”
So will Mr Anderson be leaving the gov soon then?"I doubt it. Looks like he's looking forward to the challenge. Did he say he'll leave, or supporters will? | |||
"Irrelevant who it is its still a fucking Tory despise them with all my being the carnage they have caused if sickening think of this as example. Covid wise people were foisted into care homes etc from hospital without checking if they were covid free. End result over 20,000 deaths as a result. Not 1 tory mp stood up to challenge this, folk missed seeing loved ones before dying. And by not challenging Boris over this and most other things makes them complicit in the deaths Remember during V E weekend Boris etc praising the sacrifices elders did and rightly praised while they were left to rot. Inaction is intself and action. If you look at fact a generation were sscrificed for political reasons this is form of genocide. Only difference with this and say Saddam Hussain and tbe kurdish people in Iraq and what happened here is the method of death Iraq used chemical weapons. Tories used Covid thats the only difference. I only read the first line "Maybe you should have read it before whipping out the laughing emoji. Not a good look with that sort of content. | |||
"Irrelevant who it is its still a fucking Tory despise them with all my being the carnage they have caused if sickening think of this as example. Covid wise people were foisted into care homes etc from hospital without checking if they were covid free. End result over 20,000 deaths as a result. Not 1 tory mp stood up to challenge this, folk missed seeing loved ones before dying. And by not challenging Boris over this and most other things makes them complicit in the deaths Remember during V E weekend Boris etc praising the sacrifices elders did and rightly praised while they were left to rot. Inaction is intself and action. If you look at fact a generation were sscrificed for political reasons this is form of genocide. Only difference with this and say Saddam Hussain and tbe kurdish people in Iraq and what happened here is the method of death Iraq used chemical weapons. Tories used Covid thats the only difference. I only read the first line
Maybe you should have read it before whipping out the laughing emoji. Not a good look with that sort of content."I can laugh at a person spouting all I like | |||
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"You reckon they know they're sinking and have chosen Anderson to piss off Labour supporters in before they go? Most people are laughing at him and the Tory party I've just had a quick scroll of twitter, there's some people laughing but not that many
Just went to have a look. Roy Walker is trending lol
I hope he hasn’t died, anyway, is there anyone who thinks 30p Lee has the credentials and is the right man for the job (without mentioning winding up the woke and lefties)
No one has mentioned the woke or lefties. Why are you attempting to shut doen debate before it even starts again?
My prerogative, do you think he is the right man for the job,
Oh I do apologise, I didn’t realise you owned the forum
I have no idea if he's the right man. The only thing I know about him is his 30p meals and the subsequent foaming at the mouth
Do you have an opinion?
An opinion in what?
Do you ‘think’ Lee Anderson will be a good deputy chairman of the Tory Party
How can I make a decision when I don't know anything about him?
What a ridiculous question.
Look him up if you wanna know more about him. Or just wait until Anderson says something stupid or nasty. That might be quicker, to be fair.
Looking him up I doubt will give me an insight into his ability as a chairperson (deputy at that).
I get it, the left don't like him, it would appear the right do.
Quote attributed to a Tory MP:
Lee Anderson is everything that is wrong with the Conservative brand presently. He seems to rejoice in deliberately provoking and making agressive simplistic statements that fail to recognise the complexities of the issues facing the country. If this is the new Tory party, many will be forgiven for deserting it.
Seems the right may not think a lot of Mr Anderson either...
I take it this "Tory MP" will be deserting them then?
Possibly.
Leaked quote attributed to Mr Anderson when talking about the government recently:
“It’s like the band on the Titanic. Playing the same tune and ignoring the obvious.”
So will Mr Anderson be leaving the gov soon then?
I doubt it. Looks like he's looking forward to the challenge.
Did he say he'll leave, or supporters will?"Why should he leave? His real job will be to say nasty/stupid shit to make people angry & divided. Until he says something nasty/stupid enough to get the boot. Until then, I'm sure his position is secure. | |||
"Irrelevant who it is its still a fucking Tory despise them with all my being the carnage they have caused if sickening think of this as example. Covid wise people were foisted into care homes etc from hospital without checking if they were covid free. End result over 20,000 deaths as a result. Not 1 tory mp stood up to challenge this, folk missed seeing loved ones before dying. And by not challenging Boris over this and most other things makes them complicit in the deaths Remember during V E weekend Boris etc praising the sacrifices elders did and rightly praised while they were left to rot. Inaction is intself and action. If you look at fact a generation were sscrificed for political reasons this is form of genocide. Only difference with this and say Saddam Hussain and tbe kurdish people in Iraq and what happened here is the method of death Iraq used chemical weapons. Tories used Covid thats the only difference. I only read the first line
Maybe you should have read it before whipping out the laughing emoji. Not a good look with that sort of content."I've since read it. Calling genocide and comparing the tories to Saddam, yep, it's still funny | |||
"Irrelevant who it is its still a fucking Tory despise them with all my being the carnage they have caused if sickening think of this as example. Covid wise people were foisted into care homes etc from hospital without checking if they were covid free. End result over 20,000 deaths as a result. Not 1 tory mp stood up to challenge this, folk missed seeing loved ones before dying. And by not challenging Boris over this and most other things makes them complicit in the deaths Remember during V E weekend Boris etc praising the sacrifices elders did and rightly praised while they were left to rot. Inaction is intself and action. If you look at fact a generation were sscrificed for political reasons this is form of genocide. Only difference with this and say Saddam Hussain and tbe kurdish people in Iraq and what happened here is the method of death Iraq used chemical weapons. Tories used Covid thats the only difference. I only read the first line
Maybe you should have read it before whipping out the laughing emoji. Not a good look with that sort of content.
I can laugh at a person spouting all I like "Laugh all you want. I just think it looks pretty bad to laugh about a great number of deaths. But maybe that's just me. | |||
"You reckon they know they're sinking and have chosen Anderson to piss off Labour supporters in before they go? Most people are laughing at him and the Tory party I've just had a quick scroll of twitter, there's some people laughing but not that many
Just went to have a look. Roy Walker is trending lol
I hope he hasn’t died, anyway, is there anyone who thinks 30p Lee has the credentials and is the right man for the job (without mentioning winding up the woke and lefties)
No one has mentioned the woke or lefties. Why are you attempting to shut doen debate before it even starts again?
My prerogative, do you think he is the right man for the job,
Oh I do apologise, I didn’t realise you owned the forum
I have no idea if he's the right man. The only thing I know about him is his 30p meals and the subsequent foaming at the mouth
Do you have an opinion?
An opinion in what?
Do you ‘think’ Lee Anderson will be a good deputy chairman of the Tory Party
How can I make a decision when I don't know anything about him?
What a ridiculous question.
Look him up if you wanna know more about him. Or just wait until Anderson says something stupid or nasty. That might be quicker, to be fair.
Looking him up I doubt will give me an insight into his ability as a chairperson (deputy at that).
I get it, the left don't like him, it would appear the right do.
Quote attributed to a Tory MP:
Lee Anderson is everything that is wrong with the Conservative brand presently. He seems to rejoice in deliberately provoking and making agressive simplistic statements that fail to recognise the complexities of the issues facing the country. If this is the new Tory party, many will be forgiven for deserting it.
Seems the right may not think a lot of Mr Anderson either...
I take it this "Tory MP" will be deserting them then?
Possibly.
Leaked quote attributed to Mr Anderson when talking about the government recently:
“It’s like the band on the Titanic. Playing the same tune and ignoring the obvious.”
So will Mr Anderson be leaving the gov soon then?
I doubt it. Looks like he's looking forward to the challenge.
Did he say he'll leave, or supporters will?
Why should he leave? His real job will be to say nasty/stupid shit to make people angry & divided. Until he says something nasty/stupid enough to get the boot. Until then, I'm sure his position is secure."I didn't say he should  | |||
"Irrelevant who it is its still a fucking Tory despise them with all my being the carnage they have caused if sickening think of this as example. Covid wise people were foisted into care homes etc from hospital without checking if they were covid free. End result over 20,000 deaths as a result. Not 1 tory mp stood up to challenge this, folk missed seeing loved ones before dying. And by not challenging Boris over this and most other things makes them complicit in the deaths Remember during V E weekend Boris etc praising the sacrifices elders did and rightly praised while they were left to rot. Inaction is intself and action. If you look at fact a generation were sscrificed for political reasons this is form of genocide. Only difference with this and say Saddam Hussain and tbe kurdish people in Iraq and what happened here is the method of death Iraq used chemical weapons. Tories used Covid thats the only difference. I only read the first line
Maybe you should have read it before whipping out the laughing emoji. Not a good look with that sort of content.
I can laugh at a person spouting all I like
Laugh all you want. I just think it looks pretty bad to laugh about a great number of deaths. But maybe that's just me."Was I laughing at deaths? Or was I laughing about a person waffling nonsense? Pretty sure I've already said what I was laughing about | |||
"You reckon they know they're sinking and have chosen Anderson to piss off Labour supporters in before they go? Most people are laughing at him and the Tory party I've just had a quick scroll of twitter, there's some people laughing but not that many
Just went to have a look. Roy Walker is trending lol
I hope he hasn’t died, anyway, is there anyone who thinks 30p Lee has the credentials and is the right man for the job (without mentioning winding up the woke and lefties)
No one has mentioned the woke or lefties. Why are you attempting to shut doen debate before it even starts again?
My prerogative, do you think he is the right man for the job,
Oh I do apologise, I didn’t realise you owned the forum
I have no idea if he's the right man. The only thing I know about him is his 30p meals and the subsequent foaming at the mouth
Do you have an opinion?
An opinion in what?
Do you ‘think’ Lee Anderson will be a good deputy chairman of the Tory Party
How can I make a decision when I don't know anything about him?
What a ridiculous question.
Look him up if you wanna know more about him. Or just wait until Anderson says something stupid or nasty. That might be quicker, to be fair.
Looking him up I doubt will give me an insight into his ability as a chairperson (deputy at that).
I get it, the left don't like him, it would appear the right do.
Quote attributed to a Tory MP:
Lee Anderson is everything that is wrong with the Conservative brand presently. He seems to rejoice in deliberately provoking and making agressive simplistic statements that fail to recognise the complexities of the issues facing the country. If this is the new Tory party, many will be forgiven for deserting it.
Seems the right may not think a lot of Mr Anderson either...
I take it this "Tory MP" will be deserting them then?
Possibly.
Leaked quote attributed to Mr Anderson when talking about the government recently:
“It’s like the band on the Titanic. Playing the same tune and ignoring the obvious.”
So will Mr Anderson be leaving the gov soon then?
I doubt it. Looks like he's looking forward to the challenge.
Did he say he'll leave, or supporters will?
Why should he leave? His real job will be to say nasty/stupid shit to make people angry & divided. Until he says something nasty/stupid enough to get the boot. Until then, I'm sure his position is secure.
I didn't say he should "I never said you said that at all. Raise your eyebrow all you want. | |||
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"Irrelevant who it is its still a fucking Tory despise them with all my being the carnage they have caused if sickening think of this as example. Covid wise people were foisted into care homes etc from hospital without checking if they were covid free. End result over 20,000 deaths as a result. Not 1 tory mp stood up to challenge this, folk missed seeing loved ones before dying. And by not challenging Boris over this and most other things makes them complicit in the deaths Remember during V E weekend Boris etc praising the sacrifices elders did and rightly praised while they were left to rot. Inaction is intself and action. If you look at fact a generation were sscrificed for political reasons this is form of genocide. Only difference with this and say Saddam Hussain and tbe kurdish people in Iraq and what happened here is the method of death Iraq used chemical weapons. Tories used Covid thats the only difference. I only read the first line
Maybe you should have read it before whipping out the laughing emoji. Not a good look with that sort of content.
I can laugh at a person spouting all I like
Laugh all you want. I just think it looks pretty bad to laugh about a great number of deaths. But maybe that's just me.
Was I laughing at deaths? Or was I laughing about a person waffling nonsense? Pretty sure I've already said what I was laughing about"I simply think your reaction was a bad look in the circumstances. I thought I was clear on that. All cleared up now, I'm sure. | |||
"You reckon they know they're sinking and have chosen Anderson to piss off Labour supporters in before they go? Most people are laughing at him and the Tory party I've just had a quick scroll of twitter, there's some people laughing but not that many
Just went to have a look. Roy Walker is trending lol
I hope he hasn’t died, anyway, is there anyone who thinks 30p Lee has the credentials and is the right man for the job (without mentioning winding up the woke and lefties)
No one has mentioned the woke or lefties. Why are you attempting to shut doen debate before it even starts again?
My prerogative, do you think he is the right man for the job,
Oh I do apologise, I didn’t realise you owned the forum
I have no idea if he's the right man. The only thing I know about him is his 30p meals and the subsequent foaming at the mouth
Do you have an opinion?
An opinion in what?
Do you ‘think’ Lee Anderson will be a good deputy chairman of the Tory Party
How can I make a decision when I don't know anything about him?
What a ridiculous question.
Look him up if you wanna know more about him. Or just wait until Anderson says something stupid or nasty. That might be quicker, to be fair.
Looking him up I doubt will give me an insight into his ability as a chairperson (deputy at that).
I get it, the left don't like him, it would appear the right do.
Quote attributed to a Tory MP:
Lee Anderson is everything that is wrong with the Conservative brand presently. He seems to rejoice in deliberately provoking and making agressive simplistic statements that fail to recognise the complexities of the issues facing the country. If this is the new Tory party, many will be forgiven for deserting it.
Seems the right may not think a lot of Mr Anderson either...
I take it this "Tory MP" will be deserting them then?
Possibly.
Leaked quote attributed to Mr Anderson when talking about the government recently:
“It’s like the band on the Titanic. Playing the same tune and ignoring the obvious.”
So will Mr Anderson be leaving the gov soon then?
I doubt it. Looks like he's looking forward to the challenge.
Did he say he'll leave, or supporters will?
Why should he leave? His real job will be to say nasty/stupid shit to make people angry & divided. Until he says something nasty/stupid enough to get the boot. Until then, I'm sure his position is secure.
I didn't say he should
I never said you said that at all. Raise your eyebrow all you want."Why did you ask me a stupid question? And why are you trying to make out that I'm laughing at people dying? Are you really that far out of your depth you have to resort to those tactics? | |||
"They could have given the role to Chris Grayling or even Gavin Williamson and it would have had more credibility.. Even for Sunak it's a strange one.." Red wall/ trigerring the woke lefties/ culture war. Take your pick of reasons for this appointment, I guess. | |||
"You reckon they know they're sinking and have chosen Anderson to piss off Labour supporters in before they go? Most people are laughing at him and the Tory party I've just had a quick scroll of twitter, there's some people laughing but not that many
Just went to have a look. Roy Walker is trending lol
I hope he hasn’t died, anyway, is there anyone who thinks 30p Lee has the credentials and is the right man for the job (without mentioning winding up the woke and lefties)
No one has mentioned the woke or lefties. Why are you attempting to shut doen debate before it even starts again?
My prerogative, do you think he is the right man for the job,
Oh I do apologise, I didn’t realise you owned the forum
I have no idea if he's the right man. The only thing I know about him is his 30p meals and the subsequent foaming at the mouth
Do you have an opinion?
An opinion in what?
Do you ‘think’ Lee Anderson will be a good deputy chairman of the Tory Party
How can I make a decision when I don't know anything about him?
What a ridiculous question.
Look him up if you wanna know more about him. Or just wait until Anderson says something stupid or nasty. That might be quicker, to be fair.
Looking him up I doubt will give me an insight into his ability as a chairperson (deputy at that).
I get it, the left don't like him, it would appear the right do.
Quote attributed to a Tory MP:
Lee Anderson is everything that is wrong with the Conservative brand presently. He seems to rejoice in deliberately provoking and making agressive simplistic statements that fail to recognise the complexities of the issues facing the country. If this is the new Tory party, many will be forgiven for deserting it.
Seems the right may not think a lot of Mr Anderson either...
I take it this "Tory MP" will be deserting them then?
Possibly.
Leaked quote attributed to Mr Anderson when talking about the government recently:
“It’s like the band on the Titanic. Playing the same tune and ignoring the obvious.”
So will Mr Anderson be leaving the gov soon then?
I doubt it. Looks like he's looking forward to the challenge.
Did he say he'll leave, or supporters will?
Why should he leave? His real job will be to say nasty/stupid shit to make people angry & divided. Until he says something nasty/stupid enough to get the boot. Until then, I'm sure his position is secure.
I didn't say he should
I never said you said that at all. Raise your eyebrow all you want.
Why did you ask me a stupid question?
And why are you trying to make out that I'm laughing at people dying?
Are you really that far out of your depth you have to resort to those tactics?"I don't remember asking a stupid question. I asked a rhetorical question. And I think your laughter came across v badly in the circumstance. I explained that. You've since explained you weren't laughing at people dying. OK. So I'm not sure why you're still trying to pick a fight over this. And you're welcome to think I'm out of my depth & try insulting me. | |||
"Steve Bray will love this. Bray and Anderson are best of mates. I'm sure Bray is raising a glass, toasting Anderson's elevation as we speak." They have been known to have a beer together for real. | |||
"Steve Bray will love this. Bray and Anderson are best of mates. I'm sure Bray is raising a glass, toasting Anderson's elevation as we speak. They have been known to have a beer together for real. " Best mates lol | |||
"Irrelevant who it is its still a fucking Tory despise them with all my being the carnage they have caused if sickening think of this as example. Covid wise people were foisted into care homes etc from hospital without checking if they were covid free. End result over 20,000 deaths as a result. Not 1 tory mp stood up to challenge this, folk missed seeing loved ones before dying. And by not challenging Boris over this and most other things makes them complicit in the deaths Remember during V E weekend Boris etc praising the sacrifices elders did and rightly praised while they were left to rot. Inaction is intself and action. If you look at fact a generation were sscrificed for political reasons this is form of genocide. Only difference with this and say Saddam Hussain and tbe kurdish people in Iraq and what happened here is the method of death Iraq used chemical weapons. Tories used Covid thats the only difference." Oh look another socialist labour supporter has appeared! | |||
"Steve Bray will love this. Bray and Anderson are best of mates. I'm sure Bray is raising a glass, toasting Anderson's elevation as we speak. They have been known to have a beer together for real. Best mates lol" It’s all theatre for those two plums. Their relationship is not without it’s ups and downs. | |||
"You reckon they know they're sinking and have chosen Anderson to piss off Labour supporters in before they go? Most people are laughing at him and the Tory party I've just had a quick scroll of twitter, there's some people laughing but not that many
Just went to have a look. Roy Walker is trending lol
I hope he hasn’t died, anyway, is there anyone who thinks 30p Lee has the credentials and is the right man for the job (without mentioning winding up the woke and lefties)
No one has mentioned the woke or lefties. Why are you attempting to shut doen debate before it even starts again?
My prerogative, do you think he is the right man for the job,
Oh I do apologise, I didn’t realise you owned the forum
I have no idea if he's the right man. The only thing I know about him is his 30p meals and the subsequent foaming at the mouth
Do you have an opinion?
An opinion in what?
Do you ‘think’ Lee Anderson will be a good deputy chairman of the Tory Party
How can I make a decision when I don't know anything about him?
What a ridiculous question.
Look him up if you wanna know more about him. Or just wait until Anderson says something stupid or nasty. That might be quicker, to be fair.
Looking him up I doubt will give me an insight into his ability as a chairperson (deputy at that).
I get it, the left don't like him, it would appear the right do.
Quote attributed to a Tory MP:
Lee Anderson is everything that is wrong with the Conservative brand presently. He seems to rejoice in deliberately provoking and making agressive simplistic statements that fail to recognise the complexities of the issues facing the country. If this is the new Tory party, many will be forgiven for deserting it.
Seems the right may not think a lot of Mr Anderson either...
I take it this "Tory MP" will be deserting them then?
Possibly.
Leaked quote attributed to Mr Anderson when talking about the government recently:
“It’s like the band on the Titanic. Playing the same tune and ignoring the obvious.”
So will Mr Anderson be leaving the gov soon then?
I doubt it. Looks like he's looking forward to the challenge.
Did he say he'll leave, or supporters will?
Why should he leave? His real job will be to say nasty/stupid shit to make people angry & divided. Until he says something nasty/stupid enough to get the boot. Until then, I'm sure his position is secure.
I didn't say he should
I never said you said that at all. Raise your eyebrow all you want.
Why did you ask me a stupid question?
And why are you trying to make out that I'm laughing at people dying?
Are you really that far out of your depth you have to resort to those tactics?
I don't remember asking a stupid question. I asked a rhetorical question.
And I think your laughter came across v badly in the circumstance. I explained that. You've since explained you weren't laughing at people dying. OK. So I'm not sure why you're still trying to pick a fight over this.
And you're welcome to think I'm out of my depth & try insulting me."Trying to pick a fight
It was clear from my first post what I was laughing at. If you didn't get it, I understand. | |||
"You reckon they know they're sinking and have chosen Anderson to piss off Labour supporters in before they go? Most people are laughing at him and the Tory party I've just had a quick scroll of twitter, there's some people laughing but not that many
Just went to have a look. Roy Walker is trending lol
I hope he hasn’t died, anyway, is there anyone who thinks 30p Lee has the credentials and is the right man for the job (without mentioning winding up the woke and lefties)
No one has mentioned the woke or lefties. Why are you attempting to shut doen debate before it even starts again?
My prerogative, do you think he is the right man for the job,
Oh I do apologise, I didn’t realise you owned the forum
I have no idea if he's the right man. The only thing I know about him is his 30p meals and the subsequent foaming at the mouth
Do you have an opinion?
An opinion in what?
Do you ‘think’ Lee Anderson will be a good deputy chairman of the Tory Party
How can I make a decision when I don't know anything about him?
What a ridiculous question.
Look him up if you wanna know more about him. Or just wait until Anderson says something stupid or nasty. That might be quicker, to be fair.
Looking him up I doubt will give me an insight into his ability as a chairperson (deputy at that).
I get it, the left don't like him, it would appear the right do.
Quote attributed to a Tory MP:
Lee Anderson is everything that is wrong with the Conservative brand presently. He seems to rejoice in deliberately provoking and making agressive simplistic statements that fail to recognise the complexities of the issues facing the country. If this is the new Tory party, many will be forgiven for deserting it.
Seems the right may not think a lot of Mr Anderson either...
I take it this "Tory MP" will be deserting them then?
Possibly.
Leaked quote attributed to Mr Anderson when talking about the government recently:
“It’s like the band on the Titanic. Playing the same tune and ignoring the obvious.”
So will Mr Anderson be leaving the gov soon then?
I doubt it. Looks like he's looking forward to the challenge.
Did he say he'll leave, or supporters will?
Why should he leave? His real job will be to say nasty/stupid shit to make people angry & divided. Until he says something nasty/stupid enough to get the boot. Until then, I'm sure his position is secure.
I didn't say he should
I never said you said that at all. Raise your eyebrow all you want.
Why did you ask me a stupid question?
And why are you trying to make out that I'm laughing at people dying?
Are you really that far out of your depth you have to resort to those tactics?
I don't remember asking a stupid question. I asked a rhetorical question.
And I think your laughter came across v badly in the circumstance. I explained that. You've since explained you weren't laughing at people dying. OK. So I'm not sure why you're still trying to pick a fight over this.
And you're welcome to think I'm out of my depth & try insulting me.
Trying to pick a fight
It was clear from my first post what I was laughing at. If you didn't get it, I understand."Your 1st response to a post about many deaths was: I only read the first line, followed by laughing emojis. So, no, you weren't clear. The rest came from that. Anyway, all cleared up now. | |||
"Irrelevant who it is its still a fucking Tory despise them with all my being the carnage they have caused if sickening think of this as example. Covid wise people were foisted into care homes etc from hospital without checking if they were covid free. End result over 20,000 deaths as a result. Not 1 tory mp stood up to challenge this, folk missed seeing loved ones before dying. And by not challenging Boris over this and most other things makes them complicit in the deaths Remember during V E weekend Boris etc praising the sacrifices elders did and rightly praised while they were left to rot. Inaction is intself and action. If you look at fact a generation were sscrificed for political reasons this is form of genocide. Only difference with this and say Saddam Hussain and tbe kurdish people in Iraq and what happened here is the method of death Iraq used chemical weapons. Tories used Covid thats the only difference. Oh look another socialist labour supporter has appeared! " Where did that person say they supported Labour? And what socialist policies did they espouse? | |||
"You reckon they know they're sinking and have chosen Anderson to piss off Labour supporters in before they go? Most people are laughing at him and the Tory party I've just had a quick scroll of twitter, there's some people laughing but not that many
Just went to have a look. Roy Walker is trending lol
I hope he hasn’t died, anyway, is there anyone who thinks 30p Lee has the credentials and is the right man for the job (without mentioning winding up the woke and lefties)
No one has mentioned the woke or lefties. Why are you attempting to shut doen debate before it even starts again?
My prerogative, do you think he is the right man for the job,
Oh I do apologise, I didn’t realise you owned the forum
I have no idea if he's the right man. The only thing I know about him is his 30p meals and the subsequent foaming at the mouth
Do you have an opinion?
An opinion in what?
Do you ‘think’ Lee Anderson will be a good deputy chairman of the Tory Party
How can I make a decision when I don't know anything about him?
What a ridiculous question.
Look him up if you wanna know more about him. Or just wait until Anderson says something stupid or nasty. That might be quicker, to be fair.
Looking him up I doubt will give me an insight into his ability as a chairperson (deputy at that).
I get it, the left don't like him, it would appear the right do.
Quote attributed to a Tory MP:
Lee Anderson is everything that is wrong with the Conservative brand presently. He seems to rejoice in deliberately provoking and making agressive simplistic statements that fail to recognise the complexities of the issues facing the country. If this is the new Tory party, many will be forgiven for deserting it.
Seems the right may not think a lot of Mr Anderson either...
I take it this "Tory MP" will be deserting them then?
Possibly.
Leaked quote attributed to Mr Anderson when talking about the government recently:
“It’s like the band on the Titanic. Playing the same tune and ignoring the obvious.”
So will Mr Anderson be leaving the gov soon then?
I doubt it. Looks like he's looking forward to the challenge.
Did he say he'll leave, or supporters will?
Why should he leave? His real job will be to say nasty/stupid shit to make people angry & divided. Until he says something nasty/stupid enough to get the boot. Until then, I'm sure his position is secure.
I didn't say he should
I never said you said that at all. Raise your eyebrow all you want.
Why did you ask me a stupid question?
And why are you trying to make out that I'm laughing at people dying?
Are you really that far out of your depth you have to resort to those tactics?
I don't remember asking a stupid question. I asked a rhetorical question.
And I think your laughter came across v badly in the circumstance. I explained that. You've since explained you weren't laughing at people dying. OK. So I'm not sure why you're still trying to pick a fight over this.
And you're welcome to think I'm out of my depth & try insulting me.
Trying to pick a fight
It was clear from my first post what I was laughing at. If you didn't get it, I understand.
Your 1st response to a post about many deaths was: I only read the first line, followed by laughing emojis. So, no, you weren't clear. The rest came from that.
Anyway, all cleared up now."Can you tell me what the first line said? I made a call upon reading that. I could've got it wrong but I didn't. Noticed how you immediately picked I on deaths and not the nonsense he was spouting. Kinda says it all | |||
"You reckon they know they're sinking and have chosen Anderson to piss off Labour supporters in before they go? Most people are laughing at him and the Tory party I've just had a quick scroll of twitter, there's some people laughing but not that many
Just went to have a look. Roy Walker is trending lol
I hope he hasn’t died, anyway, is there anyone who thinks 30p Lee has the credentials and is the right man for the job (without mentioning winding up the woke and lefties)
No one has mentioned the woke or lefties. Why are you attempting to shut doen debate before it even starts again?
My prerogative, do you think he is the right man for the job,
Oh I do apologise, I didn’t realise you owned the forum
I have no idea if he's the right man. The only thing I know about him is his 30p meals and the subsequent foaming at the mouth
Do you have an opinion?
An opinion in what?
Do you ‘think’ Lee Anderson will be a good deputy chairman of the Tory Party
How can I make a decision when I don't know anything about him?
What a ridiculous question.
Look him up if you wanna know more about him. Or just wait until Anderson says something stupid or nasty. That might be quicker, to be fair.
Looking him up I doubt will give me an insight into his ability as a chairperson (deputy at that).
I get it, the left don't like him, it would appear the right do.
Quote attributed to a Tory MP:
Lee Anderson is everything that is wrong with the Conservative brand presently. He seems to rejoice in deliberately provoking and making agressive simplistic statements that fail to recognise the complexities of the issues facing the country. If this is the new Tory party, many will be forgiven for deserting it.
Seems the right may not think a lot of Mr Anderson either...
I take it this "Tory MP" will be deserting them then?
Possibly.
Leaked quote attributed to Mr Anderson when talking about the government recently:
“It’s like the band on the Titanic. Playing the same tune and ignoring the obvious.”
So will Mr Anderson be leaving the gov soon then?
I doubt it. Looks like he's looking forward to the challenge.
Did he say he'll leave, or supporters will?
Why should he leave? His real job will be to say nasty/stupid shit to make people angry & divided. Until he says something nasty/stupid enough to get the boot. Until then, I'm sure his position is secure.
I didn't say he should
I never said you said that at all. Raise your eyebrow all you want.
Why did you ask me a stupid question?
And why are you trying to make out that I'm laughing at people dying?
Are you really that far out of your depth you have to resort to those tactics?
I don't remember asking a stupid question. I asked a rhetorical question.
And I think your laughter came across v badly in the circumstance. I explained that. You've since explained you weren't laughing at people dying. OK. So I'm not sure why you're still trying to pick a fight over this.
And you're welcome to think I'm out of my depth & try insulting me.
Trying to pick a fight
It was clear from my first post what I was laughing at. If you didn't get it, I understand.
Your 1st response to a post about many deaths was: I only read the first line, followed by laughing emojis. So, no, you weren't clear. The rest came from that.
Anyway, all cleared up now.
Can you tell me what the first line said?
I made a call upon reading that. I could've got it wrong but I didn't.
Noticed how you immediately picked I on deaths and not the nonsense he was spouting. Kinda says it all"And you're not trying to pick a fight? Suuuuuure. I did try to move on from this a couple of times, I think. And I said it was all cleared up before. Anyway, back to Mr Anderson for the thread. | |||
"You reckon they know they're sinking and have chosen Anderson to piss off Labour supporters in before they go? Most people are laughing at him and the Tory party I've just had a quick scroll of twitter, there's some people laughing but not that many
Just went to have a look. Roy Walker is trending lol
I hope he hasn’t died, anyway, is there anyone who thinks 30p Lee has the credentials and is the right man for the job (without mentioning winding up the woke and lefties)
No one has mentioned the woke or lefties. Why are you attempting to shut doen debate before it even starts again?
My prerogative, do you think he is the right man for the job,
Oh I do apologise, I didn’t realise you owned the forum
I have no idea if he's the right man. The only thing I know about him is his 30p meals and the subsequent foaming at the mouth
Do you have an opinion?
An opinion in what?
Do you ‘think’ Lee Anderson will be a good deputy chairman of the Tory Party
How can I make a decision when I don't know anything about him?
What a ridiculous question.
Look him up if you wanna know more about him. Or just wait until Anderson says something stupid or nasty. That might be quicker, to be fair.
Looking him up I doubt will give me an insight into his ability as a chairperson (deputy at that).
I get it, the left don't like him, it would appear the right do.
Quote attributed to a Tory MP:
Lee Anderson is everything that is wrong with the Conservative brand presently. He seems to rejoice in deliberately provoking and making agressive simplistic statements that fail to recognise the complexities of the issues facing the country. If this is the new Tory party, many will be forgiven for deserting it.
Seems the right may not think a lot of Mr Anderson either...
I take it this "Tory MP" will be deserting them then?
Possibly.
Leaked quote attributed to Mr Anderson when talking about the government recently:
“It’s like the band on the Titanic. Playing the same tune and ignoring the obvious.”
So will Mr Anderson be leaving the gov soon then?
I doubt it. Looks like he's looking forward to the challenge.
Did he say he'll leave, or supporters will?
Why should he leave? His real job will be to say nasty/stupid shit to make people angry & divided. Until he says something nasty/stupid enough to get the boot. Until then, I'm sure his position is secure.
I didn't say he should
I never said you said that at all. Raise your eyebrow all you want.
Why did you ask me a stupid question?
And why are you trying to make out that I'm laughing at people dying?
Are you really that far out of your depth you have to resort to those tactics?
I don't remember asking a stupid question. I asked a rhetorical question.
And I think your laughter came across v badly in the circumstance. I explained that. You've since explained you weren't laughing at people dying. OK. So I'm not sure why you're still trying to pick a fight over this.
And you're welcome to think I'm out of my depth & try insulting me.
Trying to pick a fight
It was clear from my first post what I was laughing at. If you didn't get it, I understand.
Your 1st response to a post about many deaths was: I only read the first line, followed by laughing emojis. So, no, you weren't clear. The rest came from that.
Anyway, all cleared up now.
Can you tell me what the first line said?
I made a call upon reading that. I could've got it wrong but I didn't.
Noticed how you immediately picked I on deaths and not the nonsense he was spouting. Kinda says it all"You should expect nothing less from a certain few people on here.... | |||
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"I assume he's in with the ERG and so one their appointments. Otherwise that is odd. " I don't know if he's ERG or not. I should check. It would fit, though. | |||
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"Anderson just had a car crash interview with Verity Crowley where she confronted him over the time he was caught on tape phoning a mate, telling them to pretend they didn't know him before a faked meet & greet. Anderson got v irritable in this interview, ending by telling the interviewer not to play the interview & threatening never to give them anything again. It's worth a listen." I see he's still living rent free. Obsessed much? | |||
"Anderson just had a car crash interview with Verity Crowley where she confronted him over the time he was caught on tape phoning a mate, telling them to pretend they didn't know him before a faked meet & greet. Anderson got v irritable in this interview, ending by telling the interviewer not to play the interview & threatening never to give them anything again. It's worth a listen. I see he's still living rent free. Obsessed much?" Just commenting on the news of a dreadful recent appointment to high office. Is that an issue for any reason? | |||
"Anderson just had a car crash interview with Verity Crowley where she confronted him over the time he was caught on tape phoning a mate, telling them to pretend they didn't know him before a faked meet & greet. Anderson got v irritable in this interview, ending by telling the interviewer not to play the interview & threatening never to give them anything again. It's worth a listen. I see he's still living rent free. Obsessed much? Just commenting on the news of a dreadful recent appointment to high office. Is that an issue for any reason?" Dreadful in your opinion. But hey, it's for the Tory Party to make that decision. You've been talking to yourself, that's why it looks like you're obsessed by this. | |||
"Anderson just had a car crash interview with Verity Crowley where she confronted him over the time he was caught on tape phoning a mate, telling them to pretend they didn't know him before a faked meet & greet. Anderson got v irritable in this interview, ending by telling the interviewer not to play the interview & threatening never to give them anything again. It's worth a listen." Rishi Sunak rebukes Anderson for backing the death penalty, it’s going well | |||
"I have in the past been accused of not being optimistic enough. So I will take this opportunity to make a statement. Lee Anderson is a very fitting representative for our government." I’ll agree with this . He fits the present Conservative profile like a glove. What’s not to love? | |||
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"I'm unashamedly one of the right leaning Labour types myself, you know the ones that got isolated, which allowed a tory 80 seat majority. So Lee is someone I can relate to, like many others who're of the same mindset I expect, and I will say he probably does believe in the greater good, over classical selfish conservativism, even if his moral compass I out... I've always had centrist views generally but am probably (against what is traditionally expected) going more 'lefter' as I grow older. I think the same can be said for many, meaning the almost certain death of the tories." This is an interesting post. I genuinely don't know if believes in the greater good or not. It feels like MPs that do are few and far between these days. I find his views on foreigners, travellers, people who aren't white, poor people and his views on the death penalty, to be disagreeable. | |||
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"I'm unashamedly one of the right leaning Labour types myself, you know the ones that got isolated, which allowed a tory 80 seat majority. So Lee is someone I can relate to, like many others who're of the same mindset I expect, and I will say he probably does believe in the greater good, over classical selfish conservativism, even if his moral compass I out... I've always had centrist views generally but am probably (against what is traditionally expected) going more 'lefter' as I grow older. I think the same can be said for many, meaning the almost certain death of the tories. This is an interesting post. I genuinely don't know if believes in the greater good or not. It feels like MPs that do are few and far between these days. I find his views on foreigners, travellers, people who aren't white, poor people and his views on the death penalty, to be disagreeable." that's a shame,but never mind,it won't make no difference at all | |||
"I'm unashamedly one of the right leaning Labour types myself, you know the ones that got isolated, which allowed a tory 80 seat majority. So Lee is someone I can relate to, like many others who're of the same mindset I expect, and I will say he probably does believe in the greater good, over classical selfish conservativism, even if his moral compass I out... I've always had centrist views generally but am probably (against what is traditionally expected) going more 'lefter' as I grow older. I think the same can be said for many, meaning the almost certain death of the tories. This is an interesting post. I genuinely don't know if believes in the greater good or not. It feels like MPs that do are few and far between these days. I find his views on foreigners, travellers, people who aren't white, poor people and his views on the death penalty, to be disagreeable.that's a shame,but never mind,it won't make no difference at all" It will when he gets voted out at the next GE | |||
"I'm unashamedly one of the right leaning Labour types myself, you know the ones that got isolated, which allowed a tory 80 seat majority. So Lee is someone I can relate to, like many others who're of the same mindset I expect, and I will say he probably does believe in the greater good, over classical selfish conservativism, even if his moral compass I out... I've always had centrist views generally but am probably (against what is traditionally expected) going more 'lefter' as I grow older. I think the same can be said for many, meaning the almost certain death of the tories. This is an interesting post. I genuinely don't know if believes in the greater good or not. It feels like MPs that do are few and far between these days. I find his views on foreigners, travellers, people who aren't white, poor people and his views on the death penalty, to be disagreeable.that's a shame,but never mind,it won't make no difference at all It will when he gets voted out at the next GE "wow,I didn't realise johns vote was that important | |||
"I'm unashamedly one of the right leaning Labour types myself, you know the ones that got isolated, which allowed a tory 80 seat majority. So Lee is someone I can relate to, like many others who're of the same mindset I expect, and I will say he probably does believe in the greater good, over classical selfish conservativism, even if his moral compass I out... I've always had centrist views generally but am probably (against what is traditionally expected) going more 'lefter' as I grow older. I think the same can be said for many, meaning the almost certain death of the tories. This is an interesting post. I genuinely don't know if believes in the greater good or not. It feels like MPs that do are few and far between these days. I find his views on foreigners, travellers, people who aren't white, poor people and his views on the death penalty, to be disagreeable.that's a shame,but never mind,it won't make no difference at all It will when he gets voted out at the next GE wow,I didn't realise johns vote was that important"I have no idea what your going on about but Lee Anderson’s (if he stands) will be beaten at the next GE | |||
"I'm unashamedly one of the right leaning Labour types myself, you know the ones that got isolated, which allowed a tory 80 seat majority. So Lee is someone I can relate to, like many others who're of the same mindset I expect, and I will say he probably does believe in the greater good, over classical selfish conservativism, even if his moral compass I out... I've always had centrist views generally but am probably (against what is traditionally expected) going more 'lefter' as I grow older. I think the same can be said for many, meaning the almost certain death of the tories. This is an interesting post. I genuinely don't know if believes in the greater good or not. It feels like MPs that do are few and far between these days. I find his views on foreigners, travellers, people who aren't white, poor people and his views on the death penalty, to be disagreeable.that's a shame,but never mind,it won't make no difference at all It will when he gets voted out at the next GE wow,I didn't realise johns vote was that important"Just to clarify this for you. I'm not in his constituency. So no need for you to worry. | |||
"I'm unashamedly one of the right leaning Labour types myself, you know the ones that got isolated, which allowed a tory 80 seat majority. So Lee is someone I can relate to, like many others who're of the same mindset I expect, and I will say he probably does believe in the greater good, over classical selfish conservativism, even if his moral compass I out... I've always had centrist views generally but am probably (against what is traditionally expected) going more 'lefter' as I grow older. I think the same can be said for many, meaning the almost certain death of the tories. This is an interesting post. I genuinely don't know if believes in the greater good or not. It feels like MPs that do are few and far between these days. I find his views on foreigners, travellers, people who aren't white, poor people and his views on the death penalty, to be disagreeable.that's a shame,but never mind,it won't make no difference at all It will when he gets voted out at the next GE wow,I didn't realise johns vote was that important
I have no idea what your going on about but Lee Anderson’s (if he stands) will be beaten at the next GE "if you say so | |||
"I'm unashamedly one of the right leaning Labour types myself, you know the ones that got isolated, which allowed a tory 80 seat majority. So Lee is someone I can relate to, like many others who're of the same mindset I expect, and I will say he probably does believe in the greater good, over classical selfish conservativism, even if his moral compass I out... I've always had centrist views generally but am probably (against what is traditionally expected) going more 'lefter' as I grow older. I think the same can be said for many, meaning the almost certain death of the tories. This is an interesting post. I genuinely don't know if believes in the greater good or not. It feels like MPs that do are few and far between these days. I find his views on foreigners, travellers, people who aren't white, poor people and his views on the death penalty, to be disagreeable.that's a shame,but never mind,it won't make no difference at all It will when he gets voted out at the next GE wow,I didn't realise johns vote was that important
I have no idea what your going on about but Lee Anderson’s (if he stands) will be beaten at the next GE if you say so"I do and I just did , twice | |||
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"He is not afraid to open his mouth which will always upset someone. Listening to his radio interview he threw down the gauntlet and said, go find me a nurse or firefighter on 35K a year who is using food banks, he then went on to say I will give you a year to find them. Is he right, is he wrong? Whatever the outcome I can see why some loathe him and others love him, he is polarising and confusing. " what point is he addressing by this tho ? Is this a direct position of somebody. Or is he taking two statements 1) some nurses are using food banks and 2) the average pay is 35k To imply There are nurses on 35k on food banks | |||
"He is not afraid to open his mouth which will always upset someone. Listening to his radio interview he threw down the gauntlet and said, go find me a nurse or firefighter on 35K a year who is using food banks, he then went on to say I will give you a year to find them. Is he right, is he wrong? Whatever the outcome I can see why some loathe him and others love him, he is polarising and confusing. what point is he addressing by this tho ? Is this a direct position of somebody. Or is he taking two statements 1) some nurses are using food banks and 2) the average pay is 35k To imply There are nurses on 35k on food banks " He has said in the past that the stories of nurses and firefighters earning 35k a year and using food banks is nonsense. When he was pushed on this in an interview he basically challenged the reporter to find a nurse or firefighter on 35k a year that is using food banks, he is confident they wont find one. | |||
"He is not afraid to open his mouth which will always upset someone. Listening to his radio interview he threw down the gauntlet and said, go find me a nurse or firefighter on 35K a year who is using food banks, he then went on to say I will give you a year to find them. Is he right, is he wrong? Whatever the outcome I can see why some loathe him and others love him, he is polarising and confusing. what point is he addressing by this tho ? Is this a direct position of somebody. Or is he taking two statements 1) some nurses are using food banks and 2) the average pay is 35k To imply There are nurses on 35k on food banks " I haven't listened to it but I'd imagine it's because the RCN and shouting about nurses having to use foodbanks. The average nurses salary is 35k and they argue if you can't live on 35k then you need to learn to budget. | |||
"He is not afraid to open his mouth which will always upset someone. Listening to his radio interview he threw down the gauntlet and said, go find me a nurse or firefighter on 35K a year who is using food banks, he then went on to say I will give you a year to find them. Is he right, is he wrong? Whatever the outcome I can see why some loathe him and others love him, he is polarising and confusing. what point is he addressing by this tho ? Is this a direct position of somebody. Or is he taking two statements 1) some nurses are using food banks and 2) the average pay is 35k To imply There are nurses on 35k on food banks I haven't listened to it but I'd imagine it's because the RCN and shouting about nurses having to use foodbanks. The average nurses salary is 35k and they argue if you can't live on 35k then you need to learn to budget." That's a good summary | |||
"He is not afraid to open his mouth which will always upset someone. Listening to his radio interview he threw down the gauntlet and said, go find me a nurse or firefighter on 35K a year who is using food banks, he then went on to say I will give you a year to find them. Is he right, is he wrong? Whatever the outcome I can see why some loathe him and others love him, he is polarising and confusing. what point is he addressing by this tho ? Is this a direct position of somebody. Or is he taking two statements 1) some nurses are using food banks and 2) the average pay is 35k To imply There are nurses on 35k on food banks I haven't listened to it but I'd imagine it's because the RCN and shouting about nurses having to use foodbanks. The average nurses salary is 35k and they argue if you can't live on 35k then you need to learn to budget." that's a non sequitur then. Unless one is saying the average nurse is using a food bank. | |||
"He is not afraid to open his mouth which will always upset someone. Listening to his radio interview he threw down the gauntlet and said, go find me a nurse or firefighter on 35K a year who is using food banks, he then went on to say I will give you a year to find them. Is he right, is he wrong? Whatever the outcome I can see why some loathe him and others love him, he is polarising and confusing. what point is he addressing by this tho ? Is this a direct position of somebody. Or is he taking two statements 1) some nurses are using food banks and 2) the average pay is 35k To imply There are nurses on 35k on food banks I haven't listened to it but I'd imagine it's because the RCN and shouting about nurses having to use foodbanks. The average nurses salary is 35k and they argue if you can't live on 35k then you need to learn to budget.that's a non sequitur then. Unless one is saying the average nurse is using a food bank. " But you see, the headlines read 'NURSES USING FOODBANKS' Here's a quote form Matthew Tovey, a nurse and spokesperson for the campaign group NHS Say No. "Some people the food banks typically see are student nurses, nurses working part-time, nurses being the sole earner" | |||
"He is not afraid to open his mouth which will always upset someone. Listening to his radio interview he threw down the gauntlet and said, go find me a nurse or firefighter on 35K a year who is using food banks, he then went on to say I will give you a year to find them. Is he right, is he wrong? Whatever the outcome I can see why some loathe him and others love him, he is polarising and confusing. what point is he addressing by this tho ? Is this a direct position of somebody. Or is he taking two statements 1) some nurses are using food banks and 2) the average pay is 35k To imply There are nurses on 35k on food banks I haven't listened to it but I'd imagine it's because the RCN and shouting about nurses having to use foodbanks. The average nurses salary is 35k and they argue if you can't live on 35k then you need to learn to budget.that's a non sequitur then. Unless one is saying the average nurse is using a food bank. But you see, the headlines read 'NURSES USING FOODBANKS' Here's a quote form Matthew Tovey, a nurse and spokesperson for the campaign group NHS Say No. "Some people the food banks typically see are student nurses, nurses working part-time, nurses being the sole earner" " Nurses are using food banks , which is a disgrace | |||
"He is not afraid to open his mouth which will always upset someone. Listening to his radio interview he threw down the gauntlet and said, go find me a nurse or firefighter on 35K a year who is using food banks, he then went on to say I will give you a year to find them. Is he right, is he wrong? Whatever the outcome I can see why some loathe him and others love him, he is polarising and confusing. what point is he addressing by this tho ? Is this a direct position of somebody. Or is he taking two statements 1) some nurses are using food banks and 2) the average pay is 35k To imply There are nurses on 35k on food banks I haven't listened to it but I'd imagine it's because the RCN and shouting about nurses having to use foodbanks. The average nurses salary is 35k and they argue if you can't live on 35k then you need to learn to budget.that's a non sequitur then. Unless one is saying the average nurse is using a food bank. But you see, the headlines read 'NURSES USING FOODBANKS' Here's a quote form Matthew Tovey, a nurse and spokesperson for the campaign group NHS Say No. "Some people the food banks typically see are student nurses, nurses working part-time, nurses being the sole earner" Nurses are using food banks , which is a disgrace " Did you bother to read the quote? That's exactly the type of headline we're seeing without any context. | |||
"He is not afraid to open his mouth which will always upset someone. Listening to his radio interview he threw down the gauntlet and said, go find me a nurse or firefighter on 35K a year who is using food banks, he then went on to say I will give you a year to find them. Is he right, is he wrong? Whatever the outcome I can see why some loathe him and others love him, he is polarising and confusing. what point is he addressing by this tho ? Is this a direct position of somebody. Or is he taking two statements 1) some nurses are using food banks and 2) the average pay is 35k To imply There are nurses on 35k on food banks I haven't listened to it but I'd imagine it's because the RCN and shouting about nurses having to use foodbanks. The average nurses salary is 35k and they argue if you can't live on 35k then you need to learn to budget.that's a non sequitur then. Unless one is saying the average nurse is using a food bank. But you see, the headlines read 'NURSES USING FOODBANKS' Here's a quote form Matthew Tovey, a nurse and spokesperson for the campaign group NHS Say No. "Some people the food banks typically see are student nurses, nurses working part-time, nurses being the sole earner" Nurses are using food banks , which is a disgrace Did you bother to read the quote? That's exactly the type of headline we're seeing without any context. " Nurses are using food banks , the headline didn’t say ‘, All nurses are using foodbanks’ wether they are students, single parents or working part time is irrelevant , it’s a disgrace | |||
"He is not afraid to open his mouth which will always upset someone. Listening to his radio interview he threw down the gauntlet and said, go find me a nurse or firefighter on 35K a year who is using food banks, he then went on to say I will give you a year to find them. Is he right, is he wrong? Whatever the outcome I can see why some loathe him and others love him, he is polarising and confusing. what point is he addressing by this tho ? Is this a direct position of somebody. Or is he taking two statements 1) some nurses are using food banks and 2) the average pay is 35k To imply There are nurses on 35k on food banks I haven't listened to it but I'd imagine it's because the RCN and shouting about nurses having to use foodbanks. The average nurses salary is 35k and they argue if you can't live on 35k then you need to learn to budget.that's a non sequitur then. Unless one is saying the average nurse is using a food bank. But you see, the headlines read 'NURSES USING FOODBANKS' Here's a quote form Matthew Tovey, a nurse and spokesperson for the campaign group NHS Say No. "Some people the food banks typically see are student nurses, nurses working part-time, nurses being the sole earner" Nurses are using food banks , which is a disgrace Did you bother to read the quote? That's exactly the type of headline we're seeing without any context. Nurses are using food banks , the headline didn’t say ‘, All nurses are using foodbanks’ wether they are students, single parents or working part time is irrelevant , it’s a disgrace "It's not irrelevant. Providing headlines without context is exactly why the shitshow that is Brexit happened. You're the first one to complain when it's 'the right' doing the very thing you're doing now. | |||
"He is not afraid to open his mouth which will always upset someone. Listening to his radio interview he threw down the gauntlet and said, go find me a nurse or firefighter on 35K a year who is using food banks, he then went on to say I will give you a year to find them. Is he right, is he wrong? Whatever the outcome I can see why some loathe him and others love him, he is polarising and confusing. what point is he addressing by this tho ? Is this a direct position of somebody. Or is he taking two statements 1) some nurses are using food banks and 2) the average pay is 35k To imply There are nurses on 35k on food banks I haven't listened to it but I'd imagine it's because the RCN and shouting about nurses having to use foodbanks. The average nurses salary is 35k and they argue if you can't live on 35k then you need to learn to budget.that's a non sequitur then. Unless one is saying the average nurse is using a food bank. But you see, the headlines read 'NURSES USING FOODBANKS' Here's a quote form Matthew Tovey, a nurse and spokesperson for the campaign group NHS Say No. "Some people the food banks typically see are student nurses, nurses working part-time, nurses being the sole earner" Nurses are using food banks , which is a disgrace Did you bother to read the quote? That's exactly the type of headline we're seeing without any context. Nurses are using food banks , the headline didn’t say ‘, All nurses are using foodbanks’ wether they are students, single parents or working part time is irrelevant , it’s a disgrace
It's not irrelevant.
Providing headlines without context is exactly why the shitshow that is Brexit happened.
You're the first one to complain when it's 'the right' doing the very thing you're doing now.
"‘Nurses are using food banks ‘, nurses are using food banks, disgraceful | |||
"He is not afraid to open his mouth which will always upset someone. Listening to his radio interview he threw down the gauntlet and said, go find me a nurse or firefighter on 35K a year who is using food banks, he then went on to say I will give you a year to find them. Is he right, is he wrong? Whatever the outcome I can see why some loathe him and others love him, he is polarising and confusing. what point is he addressing by this tho ? Is this a direct position of somebody. Or is he taking two statements 1) some nurses are using food banks and 2) the average pay is 35k To imply There are nurses on 35k on food banks I haven't listened to it but I'd imagine it's because the RCN and shouting about nurses having to use foodbanks. The average nurses salary is 35k and they argue if you can't live on 35k then you need to learn to budget.that's a non sequitur then. Unless one is saying the average nurse is using a food bank. But you see, the headlines read 'NURSES USING FOODBANKS' Here's a quote form Matthew Tovey, a nurse and spokesperson for the campaign group NHS Say No. "Some people the food banks typically see are student nurses, nurses working part-time, nurses being the sole earner" Nurses are using food banks , which is a disgrace Did you bother to read the quote? That's exactly the type of headline we're seeing without any context. Nurses are using food banks , the headline didn’t say ‘, All nurses are using foodbanks’ wether they are students, single parents or working part time is irrelevant , it’s a disgrace
It's not irrelevant.
Providing headlines without context is exactly why the shitshow that is Brexit happened.
You're the first one to complain when it's 'the right' doing the very thing you're doing now.
‘Nurses are using food banks ‘, nurses are using food banks, disgraceful "Hypocrisy at its finest | |||
"He is not afraid to open his mouth which will always upset someone. Listening to his radio interview he threw down the gauntlet and said, go find me a nurse or firefighter on 35K a year who is using food banks, he then went on to say I will give you a year to find them. Is he right, is he wrong? Whatever the outcome I can see why some loathe him and others love him, he is polarising and confusing. what point is he addressing by this tho ? Is this a direct position of somebody. Or is he taking two statements 1) some nurses are using food banks and 2) the average pay is 35k To imply There are nurses on 35k on food banks I haven't listened to it but I'd imagine it's because the RCN and shouting about nurses having to use foodbanks. The average nurses salary is 35k and they argue if you can't live on 35k then you need to learn to budget.that's a non sequitur then. Unless one is saying the average nurse is using a food bank. But you see, the headlines read 'NURSES USING FOODBANKS' Here's a quote form Matthew Tovey, a nurse and spokesperson for the campaign group NHS Say No. "Some people the food banks typically see are student nurses, nurses working part-time, nurses being the sole earner" Nurses are using food banks , which is a disgrace Did you bother to read the quote? That's exactly the type of headline we're seeing without any context. Nurses are using food banks , the headline didn’t say ‘, All nurses are using foodbanks’ wether they are students, single parents or working part time is irrelevant , it’s a disgrace
It's not irrelevant.
Providing headlines without context is exactly why the shitshow that is Brexit happened.
You're the first one to complain when it's 'the right' doing the very thing you're doing now.
‘Nurses are using food banks ‘, nurses are using food banks, disgraceful
Hypocrisy at its finest "Are ‘nurses using food banks’ ? | |||
"He is not afraid to open his mouth which will always upset someone. Listening to his radio interview he threw down the gauntlet and said, go find me a nurse or firefighter on 35K a year who is using food banks, he then went on to say I will give you a year to find them. Is he right, is he wrong? Whatever the outcome I can see why some loathe him and others love him, he is polarising and confusing. what point is he addressing by this tho ? Is this a direct position of somebody. Or is he taking two statements 1) some nurses are using food banks and 2) the average pay is 35k To imply There are nurses on 35k on food banks I haven't listened to it but I'd imagine it's because the RCN and shouting about nurses having to use foodbanks. The average nurses salary is 35k and they argue if you can't live on 35k then you need to learn to budget.that's a non sequitur then. Unless one is saying the average nurse is using a food bank. But you see, the headlines read 'NURSES USING FOODBANKS' Here's a quote form Matthew Tovey, a nurse and spokesperson for the campaign group NHS Say No. "Some people the food banks typically see are student nurses, nurses working part-time, nurses being the sole earner" Nurses are using food banks , which is a disgrace Did you bother to read the quote? That's exactly the type of headline we're seeing without any context. Nurses are using food banks , the headline didn’t say ‘, All nurses are using foodbanks’ wether they are students, single parents or working part time is irrelevant , it’s a disgrace
It's not irrelevant.
Providing headlines without context is exactly why the shitshow that is Brexit happened.
You're the first one to complain when it's 'the right' doing the very thing you're doing now.
‘Nurses are using food banks ‘, nurses are using food banks, disgraceful
Hypocrisy at its finest
Are ‘nurses using food banks’ ? "Are 'foreigners sending money out of the country'? | |||
"He is not afraid to open his mouth which will always upset someone. Listening to his radio interview he threw down the gauntlet and said, go find me a nurse or firefighter on 35K a year who is using food banks, he then went on to say I will give you a year to find them. Is he right, is he wrong? Whatever the outcome I can see why some loathe him and others love him, he is polarising and confusing. what point is he addressing by this tho ? Is this a direct position of somebody. Or is he taking two statements 1) some nurses are using food banks and 2) the average pay is 35k To imply There are nurses on 35k on food banks I haven't listened to it but I'd imagine it's because the RCN and shouting about nurses having to use foodbanks. The average nurses salary is 35k and they argue if you can't live on 35k then you need to learn to budget.that's a non sequitur then. Unless one is saying the average nurse is using a food bank. But you see, the headlines read 'NURSES USING FOODBANKS' Here's a quote form Matthew Tovey, a nurse and spokesperson for the campaign group NHS Say No. "Some people the food banks typically see are student nurses, nurses working part-time, nurses being the sole earner" Nurses are using food banks , which is a disgrace Did you bother to read the quote? That's exactly the type of headline we're seeing without any context. Nurses are using food banks , the headline didn’t say ‘, All nurses are using foodbanks’ wether they are students, single parents or working part time is irrelevant , it’s a disgrace
It's not irrelevant.
Providing headlines without context is exactly why the shitshow that is Brexit happened.
You're the first one to complain when it's 'the right' doing the very thing you're doing now.
‘Nurses are using food banks ‘, nurses are using food banks, disgraceful
Hypocrisy at its finest
Are ‘nurses using food banks’ ?
Are 'foreigners sending money out of the country'?"Whataboutery? Headline ‘nurses are using food banks’ fact, nurses are using food banks , are student nurses , part time nurses or single parent nurses all nurses? Are there different types of food banks? You would have to be as thick as mince if you read that headline and thought it was all nurses . | |||
"He is not afraid to open his mouth which will always upset someone. Listening to his radio interview he threw down the gauntlet and said, go find me a nurse or firefighter on 35K a year who is using food banks, he then went on to say I will give you a year to find them. Is he right, is he wrong? Whatever the outcome I can see why some loathe him and others love him, he is polarising and confusing. what point is he addressing by this tho ? Is this a direct position of somebody. Or is he taking two statements 1) some nurses are using food banks and 2) the average pay is 35k To imply There are nurses on 35k on food banks I haven't listened to it but I'd imagine it's because the RCN and shouting about nurses having to use foodbanks. The average nurses salary is 35k and they argue if you can't live on 35k then you need to learn to budget.that's a non sequitur then. Unless one is saying the average nurse is using a food bank. But you see, the headlines read 'NURSES USING FOODBANKS' Here's a quote form Matthew Tovey, a nurse and spokesperson for the campaign group NHS Say No. "Some people the food banks typically see are student nurses, nurses working part-time, nurses being the sole earner" Nurses are using food banks , which is a disgrace Did you bother to read the quote? That's exactly the type of headline we're seeing without any context. Nurses are using food banks , the headline didn’t say ‘, All nurses are using foodbanks’ wether they are students, single parents or working part time is irrelevant , it’s a disgrace
It's not irrelevant.
Providing headlines without context is exactly why the shitshow that is Brexit happened.
You're the first one to complain when it's 'the right' doing the very thing you're doing now.
‘Nurses are using food banks ‘, nurses are using food banks, disgraceful
Hypocrisy at its finest
Are ‘nurses using food banks’ ?
Are 'foreigners sending money out of the country'?
Whataboutery?
Headline ‘nurses are using food banks’ fact, nurses are using food banks , are student nurses , part time nurses or single parent nurses all nurses? Are there different types of food banks? You would have to be as thick as mince if you read that headline and thought it was all nurses . "Scared to answer the question? | |||
"He is not afraid to open his mouth which will always upset someone. Listening to his radio interview he threw down the gauntlet and said, go find me a nurse or firefighter on 35K a year who is using food banks, he then went on to say I will give you a year to find them. Is he right, is he wrong? Whatever the outcome I can see why some loathe him and others love him, he is polarising and confusing. what point is he addressing by this tho ? Is this a direct position of somebody. Or is he taking two statements 1) some nurses are using food banks and 2) the average pay is 35k To imply There are nurses on 35k on food banks I haven't listened to it but I'd imagine it's because the RCN and shouting about nurses having to use foodbanks. The average nurses salary is 35k and they argue if you can't live on 35k then you need to learn to budget.that's a non sequitur then. Unless one is saying the average nurse is using a food bank. But you see, the headlines read 'NURSES USING FOODBANKS' Here's a quote form Matthew Tovey, a nurse and spokesperson for the campaign group NHS Say No. "Some people the food banks typically see are student nurses, nurses working part-time, nurses being the sole earner" Nurses are using food banks , which is a disgrace Did you bother to read the quote? That's exactly the type of headline we're seeing without any context. Nurses are using food banks , the headline didn’t say ‘, All nurses are using foodbanks’ wether they are students, single parents or working part time is irrelevant , it’s a disgrace
It's not irrelevant.
Providing headlines without context is exactly why the shitshow that is Brexit happened.
You're the first one to complain when it's 'the right' doing the very thing you're doing now.
‘Nurses are using food banks ‘, nurses are using food banks, disgraceful
Hypocrisy at its finest
Are ‘nurses using food banks’ ?
Are 'foreigners sending money out of the country'?"they are. Although I'm slightly unclear how this is that different to me spending money on holiday or someone spending their pension in France. So I am comfortable that not all money earnt in the UK is spent in the UK. Provided it's taxed etc. I'm not comfortable with some nurses requiring food banks. Something is going wrong there. It may be lack of basis fin ed at school or we underpay them. I'm not happy with MPs making a strawman arguement to minimise and almost ridicule the issue. That minimisation is more concerning than others over egging the issue. Because issues like this aren't symmetrical. | |||
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"He is not afraid to open his mouth which will always upset someone. Listening to his radio interview he threw down the gauntlet and said, go find me a nurse or firefighter on 35K a year who is using food banks, he then went on to say I will give you a year to find them. Is he right, is he wrong? Whatever the outcome I can see why some loathe him and others love him, he is polarising and confusing. what point is he addressing by this tho ? Is this a direct position of somebody. Or is he taking two statements 1) some nurses are using food banks and 2) the average pay is 35k To imply There are nurses on 35k on food banks I haven't listened to it but I'd imagine it's because the RCN and shouting about nurses having to use foodbanks. The average nurses salary is 35k and they argue if you can't live on 35k then you need to learn to budget.that's a non sequitur then. Unless one is saying the average nurse is using a food bank. But you see, the headlines read 'NURSES USING FOODBANKS' Here's a quote form Matthew Tovey, a nurse and spokesperson for the campaign group NHS Say No. "Some people the food banks typically see are student nurses, nurses working part-time, nurses being the sole earner" Nurses are using food banks , which is a disgrace Did you bother to read the quote? That's exactly the type of headline we're seeing without any context. Nurses are using food banks , the headline didn’t say ‘, All nurses are using foodbanks’ wether they are students, single parents or working part time is irrelevant , it’s a disgrace
It's not irrelevant.
Providing headlines without context is exactly why the shitshow that is Brexit happened.
You're the first one to complain when it's 'the right' doing the very thing you're doing now.
‘Nurses are using food banks ‘, nurses are using food banks, disgraceful
Hypocrisy at its finest
Are ‘nurses using food banks’ ?
Are 'foreigners sending money out of the country'?they are.
Although I'm slightly unclear how this is that different to me spending money on holiday or someone spending their pension in France. So I am comfortable that not all money earnt in the UK is spent in the UK. Provided it's taxed etc.
I'm not comfortable with some nurses requiring food banks. Something is going wrong there. It may be lack of basis fin ed at school or we underpay them.
I'm not happy with MPs making a strawman arguement to minimise and almost ridicule the issue.
That minimisation is more concerning than others over egging the issue. Because issues like this aren't symmetrical.
"You've added context to the headline. That's all I've been saying, headlines without context are ridiculous but tbh I'm not sure why I'm surprised from the poster. Headlines without context aren't good for anyone, they just polarise. | |||
"He is not afraid to open his mouth which will always upset someone. Listening to his radio interview he threw down the gauntlet and said, go find me a nurse or firefighter on 35K a year who is using food banks, he then went on to say I will give you a year to find them. Is he right, is he wrong? Whatever the outcome I can see why some loathe him and others love him, he is polarising and confusing. what point is he addressing by this tho ? Is this a direct position of somebody. Or is he taking two statements 1) some nurses are using food banks and 2) the average pay is 35k To imply There are nurses on 35k on food banks I haven't listened to it but I'd imagine it's because the RCN and shouting about nurses having to use foodbanks. The average nurses salary is 35k and they argue if you can't live on 35k then you need to learn to budget.that's a non sequitur then. Unless one is saying the average nurse is using a food bank. But you see, the headlines read 'NURSES USING FOODBANKS' Here's a quote form Matthew Tovey, a nurse and spokesperson for the campaign group NHS Say No. "Some people the food banks typically see are student nurses, nurses working part-time, nurses being the sole earner" Nurses are using food banks , which is a disgrace Did you bother to read the quote? That's exactly the type of headline we're seeing without any context. Nurses are using food banks , the headline didn’t say ‘, All nurses are using foodbanks’ wether they are students, single parents or working part time is irrelevant , it’s a disgrace
It's not irrelevant.
Providing headlines without context is exactly why the shitshow that is Brexit happened.
You're the first one to complain when it's 'the right' doing the very thing you're doing now.
‘Nurses are using food banks ‘, nurses are using food banks, disgraceful
Hypocrisy at its finest
Are ‘nurses using food banks’ ?
Are 'foreigners sending money out of the country'?they are.
Although I'm slightly unclear how this is that different to me spending money on holiday or someone spending their pension in France. So I am comfortable that not all money earnt in the UK is spent in the UK. Provided it's taxed etc.
I'm not comfortable with some nurses requiring food banks. Something is going wrong there. It may be lack of basis fin ed at school or we underpay them.
I'm not happy with MPs making a strawman arguement to minimise and almost ridicule the issue.
That minimisation is more concerning than others over egging the issue. Because issues like this aren't symmetrical.
You've added context to the headline. That's all I've been saying, headlines without context are ridiculous but tbh I'm not sure why I'm surprised from the poster.
Headlines without context aren't good for anyone, they just polarise.
"which is exactley what they are meant to do hence daily mail express etc running large polarising headlines which when you read the story beneath bear little or no resemblance to the headline but its the headline most remember | |||
"He is not afraid to open his mouth which will always upset someone. Listening to his radio interview he threw down the gauntlet and said, go find me a nurse or firefighter on 35K a year who is using food banks, he then went on to say I will give you a year to find them. Is he right, is he wrong? Whatever the outcome I can see why some loathe him and others love him, he is polarising and confusing. what point is he addressing by this tho ? Is this a direct position of somebody. Or is he taking two statements 1) some nurses are using food banks and 2) the average pay is 35k To imply There are nurses on 35k on food banks I haven't listened to it but I'd imagine it's because the RCN and shouting about nurses having to use foodbanks. The average nurses salary is 35k and they argue if you can't live on 35k then you need to learn to budget.that's a non sequitur then. Unless one is saying the average nurse is using a food bank. But you see, the headlines read 'NURSES USING FOODBANKS' Here's a quote form Matthew Tovey, a nurse and spokesperson for the campaign group NHS Say No. "Some people the food banks typically see are student nurses, nurses working part-time, nurses being the sole earner" Nurses are using food banks , which is a disgrace Did you bother to read the quote? That's exactly the type of headline we're seeing without any context. Nurses are using food banks , the headline didn’t say ‘, All nurses are using foodbanks’ wether they are students, single parents or working part time is irrelevant , it’s a disgrace
It's not irrelevant.
Providing headlines without context is exactly why the shitshow that is Brexit happened.
You're the first one to complain when it's 'the right' doing the very thing you're doing now.
‘Nurses are using food banks ‘, nurses are using food banks, disgraceful
Hypocrisy at its finest
Are ‘nurses using food banks’ ?
Are 'foreigners sending money out of the country'?they are.
Although I'm slightly unclear how this is that different to me spending money on holiday or someone spending their pension in France. So I am comfortable that not all money earnt in the UK is spent in the UK. Provided it's taxed etc.
I'm not comfortable with some nurses requiring food banks. Something is going wrong there. It may be lack of basis fin ed at school or we underpay them.
I'm not happy with MPs making a strawman arguement to minimise and almost ridicule the issue.
That minimisation is more concerning than others over egging the issue. Because issues like this aren't symmetrical.
You've added context to the headline. That's all I've been saying, headlines without context are ridiculous but tbh I'm not sure why I'm surprised from the poster.
Headlines without context aren't good for anyone, they just polarise.
which is exactley what they are meant to do hence daily mail express etc running large polarising headlines which when you read the story beneath bear little or no resemblance to the headline but its the headline most remember "As I said, hypocrisy at its finest from that particular poster. I shouldn't expect any less really | |||
"He is not afraid to open his mouth which will always upset someone. Listening to his radio interview he threw down the gauntlet and said, go find me a nurse or firefighter on 35K a year who is using food banks, he then went on to say I will give you a year to find them. Is he right, is he wrong? Whatever the outcome I can see why some loathe him and others love him, he is polarising and confusing. what point is he addressing by this tho ? Is this a direct position of somebody. Or is he taking two statements 1) some nurses are using food banks and 2) the average pay is 35k To imply There are nurses on 35k on food banks I haven't listened to it but I'd imagine it's because the RCN and shouting about nurses having to use foodbanks. The average nurses salary is 35k and they argue if you can't live on 35k then you need to learn to budget.that's a non sequitur then. Unless one is saying the average nurse is using a food bank. But you see, the headlines read 'NURSES USING FOODBANKS' Here's a quote form Matthew Tovey, a nurse and spokesperson for the campaign group NHS Say No. "Some people the food banks typically see are student nurses, nurses working part-time, nurses being the sole earner" Nurses are using food banks , which is a disgrace Did you bother to read the quote? That's exactly the type of headline we're seeing without any context. Nurses are using food banks , the headline didn’t say ‘, All nurses are using foodbanks’ wether they are students, single parents or working part time is irrelevant , it’s a disgrace
It's not irrelevant.
Providing headlines without context is exactly why the shitshow that is Brexit happened.
You're the first one to complain when it's 'the right' doing the very thing you're doing now.
‘Nurses are using food banks ‘, nurses are using food banks, disgraceful
Hypocrisy at its finest
Are ‘nurses using food banks’ ?
Are 'foreigners sending money out of the country'?they are.
Although I'm slightly unclear how this is that different to me spending money on holiday or someone spending their pension in France. So I am comfortable that not all money earnt in the UK is spent in the UK. Provided it's taxed etc.
I'm not comfortable with some nurses requiring food banks. Something is going wrong there. It may be lack of basis fin ed at school or we underpay them.
I'm not happy with MPs making a strawman arguement to minimise and almost ridicule the issue.
That minimisation is more concerning than others over egging the issue. Because issues like this aren't symmetrical.
You've added context to the headline. That's all I've been saying, headlines without context are ridiculous but tbh I'm not sure why I'm surprised from the poster.
Headlines without context aren't good for anyone, they just polarise.
which is exactley what they are meant to do hence daily mail express etc running large polarising headlines which when you read the story beneath bear little or no resemblance to the headline but its the headline most remember "This is exactly what people like Anderson are doing when they say things like "go find me a nurse or firefighter on 35K a year who is using food banks". It's designed to remove context and shift the conversation away from the real topic which is nurses and firefighters on below this average being forced to use food banks. | |||
"He is not afraid to open his mouth which will always upset someone. Listening to his radio interview he threw down the gauntlet and said, go find me a nurse or firefighter on 35K a year who is using food banks, he then went on to say I will give you a year to find them. Is he right, is he wrong? Whatever the outcome I can see why some loathe him and others love him, he is polarising and confusing. what point is he addressing by this tho ? Is this a direct position of somebody. Or is he taking two statements 1) some nurses are using food banks and 2) the average pay is 35k To imply There are nurses on 35k on food banks I haven't listened to it but I'd imagine it's because the RCN and shouting about nurses having to use foodbanks. The average nurses salary is 35k and they argue if you can't live on 35k then you need to learn to budget.that's a non sequitur then. Unless one is saying the average nurse is using a food bank. But you see, the headlines read 'NURSES USING FOODBANKS' Here's a quote form Matthew Tovey, a nurse and spokesperson for the campaign group NHS Say No. "Some people the food banks typically see are student nurses, nurses working part-time, nurses being the sole earner" Nurses are using food banks , which is a disgrace Did you bother to read the quote? That's exactly the type of headline we're seeing without any context. Nurses are using food banks , the headline didn’t say ‘, All nurses are using foodbanks’ wether they are students, single parents or working part time is irrelevant , it’s a disgrace
It's not irrelevant.
Providing headlines without context is exactly why the shitshow that is Brexit happened.
You're the first one to complain when it's 'the right' doing the very thing you're doing now.
‘Nurses are using food banks ‘, nurses are using food banks, disgraceful
Hypocrisy at its finest
Are ‘nurses using food banks’ ?
Are 'foreigners sending money out of the country'?they are.
Although I'm slightly unclear how this is that different to me spending money on holiday or someone spending their pension in France. So I am comfortable that not all money earnt in the UK is spent in the UK. Provided it's taxed etc.
I'm not comfortable with some nurses requiring food banks. Something is going wrong there. It may be lack of basis fin ed at school or we underpay them.
I'm not happy with MPs making a strawman arguement to minimise and almost ridicule the issue.
That minimisation is more concerning than others over egging the issue. Because issues like this aren't symmetrical.
You've added context to the headline. That's all I've been saying, headlines without context are ridiculous but tbh I'm not sure why I'm surprised from the poster.
Headlines without context aren't good for anyone, they just polarise.
which is exactley what they are meant to do hence daily mail express etc running large polarising headlines which when you read the story beneath bear little or no resemblance to the headline but its the headline most remember
This is exactly what people like Anderson are doing when they say things like "go find me a nurse or firefighter on 35K a year who is using food banks".
It's designed to remove context and shift the conversation away from the real topic which is nurses and firefighters on below this average being forced to use food banks. "Is it? Isn't he actually responding to headlines rather than creating them? There is no context in the original headline, which is 'nurses are being forced to use foodbanks'. Read the following and tell me which nurses are using foodbanks: https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/business/2023/jan/08/nhs-trusts-hospitals-food-banks-for-staff-nurses | |||
"He is not afraid to open his mouth which will always upset someone. Listening to his radio interview he threw down the gauntlet and said, go find me a nurse or firefighter on 35K a year who is using food banks, he then went on to say I will give you a year to find them. Is he right, is he wrong? Whatever the outcome I can see why some loathe him and others love him, he is polarising and confusing. what point is he addressing by this tho ? Is this a direct position of somebody. Or is he taking two statements 1) some nurses are using food banks and 2) the average pay is 35k To imply There are nurses on 35k on food banks I haven't listened to it but I'd imagine it's because the RCN and shouting about nurses having to use foodbanks. The average nurses salary is 35k and they argue if you can't live on 35k then you need to learn to budget.that's a non sequitur then. Unless one is saying the average nurse is using a food bank. But you see, the headlines read 'NURSES USING FOODBANKS' Here's a quote form Matthew Tovey, a nurse and spokesperson for the campaign group NHS Say No. "Some people the food banks typically see are student nurses, nurses working part-time, nurses being the sole earner" Nurses are using food banks , which is a disgrace Did you bother to read the quote? That's exactly the type of headline we're seeing without any context. Nurses are using food banks , the headline didn’t say ‘, All nurses are using foodbanks’ wether they are students, single parents or working part time is irrelevant , it’s a disgrace
It's not irrelevant.
Providing headlines without context is exactly why the shitshow that is Brexit happened.
You're the first one to complain when it's 'the right' doing the very thing you're doing now.
‘Nurses are using food banks ‘, nurses are using food banks, disgraceful
Hypocrisy at its finest
Are ‘nurses using food banks’ ?
Are 'foreigners sending money out of the country'?they are.
Although I'm slightly unclear how this is that different to me spending money on holiday or someone spending their pension in France. So I am comfortable that not all money earnt in the UK is spent in the UK. Provided it's taxed etc.
I'm not comfortable with some nurses requiring food banks. Something is going wrong there. It may be lack of basis fin ed at school or we underpay them.
I'm not happy with MPs making a strawman arguement to minimise and almost ridicule the issue.
That minimisation is more concerning than others over egging the issue. Because issues like this aren't symmetrical.
You've added context to the headline. That's all I've been saying, headlines without context are ridiculous but tbh I'm not sure why I'm surprised from the poster.
Headlines without context aren't good for anyone, they just polarise.
which is exactley what they are meant to do hence daily mail express etc running large polarising headlines which when you read the story beneath bear little or no resemblance to the headline but its the headline most remember
This is exactly what people like Anderson are doing when they say things like "go find me a nurse or firefighter on 35K a year who is using food banks".
It's designed to remove context and shift the conversation away from the real topic which is nurses and firefighters on below this average being forced to use food banks.
Is it?
Isn't he actually responding to headlines rather than creating them?
There is no context in the original headline, which is 'nurses are being forced to use foodbanks'.
Read the following and tell me which nurses are using foodbanks:
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/business/2023/jan/08/nhs-trusts-hospitals-food-banks-for-staff-nurses"He's creating his own headlines. It just depends what you want to do. He wants to make it look like nurses using foodbanks isn't a thing, that there is no problems, everything is fine. The guardian article makes it look like nurses need to use foodbanks, this is a problem and needs addressing. | |||
"He is not afraid to open his mouth which will always upset someone. Listening to his radio interview he threw down the gauntlet and said, go find me a nurse or firefighter on 35K a year who is using food banks, he then went on to say I will give you a year to find them. Is he right, is he wrong? Whatever the outcome I can see why some loathe him and others love him, he is polarising and confusing. what point is he addressing by this tho ? Is this a direct position of somebody. Or is he taking two statements 1) some nurses are using food banks and 2) the average pay is 35k To imply There are nurses on 35k on food banks I haven't listened to it but I'd imagine it's because the RCN and shouting about nurses having to use foodbanks. The average nurses salary is 35k and they argue if you can't live on 35k then you need to learn to budget.that's a non sequitur then. Unless one is saying the average nurse is using a food bank. But you see, the headlines read 'NURSES USING FOODBANKS' Here's a quote form Matthew Tovey, a nurse and spokesperson for the campaign group NHS Say No. "Some people the food banks typically see are student nurses, nurses working part-time, nurses being the sole earner" Nurses are using food banks , which is a disgrace Did you bother to read the quote? That's exactly the type of headline we're seeing without any context. Nurses are using food banks , the headline didn’t say ‘, All nurses are using foodbanks’ wether they are students, single parents or working part time is irrelevant , it’s a disgrace
It's not irrelevant.
Providing headlines without context is exactly why the shitshow that is Brexit happened.
You're the first one to complain when it's 'the right' doing the very thing you're doing now.
‘Nurses are using food banks ‘, nurses are using food banks, disgraceful
Hypocrisy at its finest
Are ‘nurses using food banks’ ?
Are 'foreigners sending money out of the country'?they are.
Although I'm slightly unclear how this is that different to me spending money on holiday or someone spending their pension in France. So I am comfortable that not all money earnt in the UK is spent in the UK. Provided it's taxed etc.
I'm not comfortable with some nurses requiring food banks. Something is going wrong there. It may be lack of basis fin ed at school or we underpay them.
I'm not happy with MPs making a strawman arguement to minimise and almost ridicule the issue.
That minimisation is more concerning than others over egging the issue. Because issues like this aren't symmetrical.
You've added context to the headline. That's all I've been saying, headlines without context are ridiculous but tbh I'm not sure why I'm surprised from the poster.
Headlines without context aren't good for anyone, they just polarise.
which is exactley what they are meant to do hence daily mail express etc running large polarising headlines which when you read the story beneath bear little or no resemblance to the headline but its the headline most remember
This is exactly what people like Anderson are doing when they say things like "go find me a nurse or firefighter on 35K a year who is using food banks".
It's designed to remove context and shift the conversation away from the real topic which is nurses and firefighters on below this average being forced to use food banks.
Is it?
Isn't he actually responding to headlines rather than creating them?
There is no context in the original headline, which is 'nurses are being forced to use foodbanks'.
Read the following and tell me which nurses are using foodbanks:
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/business/2023/jan/08/nhs-trusts-hospitals-food-banks-for-staff-nurses
He's creating his own headlines. It just depends what you want to do. He wants to make it look like nurses using foodbanks isn't a thing, that there is no problems, everything is fine. The guardian article makes it look like nurses need to use foodbanks, this is a problem and needs addressing.
"So, no comment on the actual content. That article doesn't quite give the full facts, does it? The headline could quite easily be: Students, part-timers, and sole earners are using foodbanks. That's the actual story here. His response could then be 'find me someone on 35k that's using foodbanks. But, but it's nurses. Pull on the heart strings, and you lose all common sense. | |||
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"He is not afraid to open his mouth which will always upset someone. Listening to his radio interview he threw down the gauntlet and said, go find me a nurse or firefighter on 35K a year who is using food banks, he then went on to say I will give you a year to find them. Is he right, is he wrong? Whatever the outcome I can see why some loathe him and others love him, he is polarising and confusing. what point is he addressing by this tho ? Is this a direct position of somebody. Or is he taking two statements 1) some nurses are using food banks and 2) the average pay is 35k To imply There are nurses on 35k on food banks I haven't listened to it but I'd imagine it's because the RCN and shouting about nurses having to use foodbanks. The average nurses salary is 35k and they argue if you can't live on 35k then you need to learn to budget.that's a non sequitur then. Unless one is saying the average nurse is using a food bank. But you see, the headlines read 'NURSES USING FOODBANKS' Here's a quote form Matthew Tovey, a nurse and spokesperson for the campaign group NHS Say No. "Some people the food banks typically see are student nurses, nurses working part-time, nurses being the sole earner" Nurses are using food banks , which is a disgrace Did you bother to read the quote? That's exactly the type of headline we're seeing without any context. Nurses are using food banks , the headline didn’t say ‘, All nurses are using foodbanks’ wether they are students, single parents or working part time is irrelevant , it’s a disgrace
It's not irrelevant.
Providing headlines without context is exactly why the shitshow that is Brexit happened.
You're the first one to complain when it's 'the right' doing the very thing you're doing now.
‘Nurses are using food banks ‘, nurses are using food banks, disgraceful
Hypocrisy at its finest
Are ‘nurses using food banks’ ?
Are 'foreigners sending money out of the country'?they are.
Although I'm slightly unclear how this is that different to me spending money on holiday or someone spending their pension in France. So I am comfortable that not all money earnt in the UK is spent in the UK. Provided it's taxed etc.
I'm not comfortable with some nurses requiring food banks. Something is going wrong there. It may be lack of basis fin ed at school or we underpay them.
I'm not happy with MPs making a strawman arguement to minimise and almost ridicule the issue.
That minimisation is more concerning than others over egging the issue. Because issues like this aren't symmetrical.
You've added context to the headline. That's all I've been saying, headlines without context are ridiculous but tbh I'm not sure why I'm surprised from the poster.
Headlines without context aren't good for anyone, they just polarise.
which is exactley what they are meant to do hence daily mail express etc running large polarising headlines which when you read the story beneath bear little or no resemblance to the headline but its the headline most remember
This is exactly what people like Anderson are doing when they say things like "go find me a nurse or firefighter on 35K a year who is using food banks".
It's designed to remove context and shift the conversation away from the real topic which is nurses and firefighters on below this average being forced to use food banks.
Is it?
Isn't he actually responding to headlines rather than creating them?
There is no context in the original headline, which is 'nurses are being forced to use foodbanks'.
Read the following and tell me which nurses are using foodbanks:
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/business/2023/jan/08/nhs-trusts-hospitals-food-banks-for-staff-nurses
He's creating his own headlines. It just depends what you want to do. He wants to make it look like nurses using foodbanks isn't a thing, that there is no problems, everything is fine. The guardian article makes it look like nurses need to use foodbanks, this is a problem and needs addressing.
So, no comment on the actual content. That article doesn't quite give the full facts, does it?
The headline could quite easily be:
Students, part-timers, and sole earners are using foodbanks.
That's the actual story here.
His response could then be 'find me someone on 35k that's using foodbanks.
But, but it's nurses. Pull on the heart strings, and you lose all common sense." | |||
"He is not afraid to open his mouth which will always upset someone. Listening to his radio interview he threw down the gauntlet and said, go find me a nurse or firefighter on 35K a year who is using food banks, he then went on to say I will give you a year to find them. Is he right, is he wrong? Whatever the outcome I can see why some loathe him and others love him, he is polarising and confusing. what point is he addressing by this tho ? Is this a direct position of somebody. Or is he taking two statements 1) some nurses are using food banks and 2) the average pay is 35k To imply There are nurses on 35k on food banks I haven't listened to it but I'd imagine it's because the RCN and shouting about nurses having to use foodbanks. The average nurses salary is 35k and they argue if you can't live on 35k then you need to learn to budget.that's a non sequitur then. Unless one is saying the average nurse is using a food bank. But you see, the headlines read 'NURSES USING FOODBANKS' Here's a quote form Matthew Tovey, a nurse and spokesperson for the campaign group NHS Say No. "Some people the food banks typically see are student nurses, nurses working part-time, nurses being the sole earner" Nurses are using food banks , which is a disgrace Did you bother to read the quote? That's exactly the type of headline we're seeing without any context. Nurses are using food banks , the headline didn’t say ‘, All nurses are using foodbanks’ wether they are students, single parents or working part time is irrelevant , it’s a disgrace
It's not irrelevant.
Providing headlines without context is exactly why the shitshow that is Brexit happened.
You're the first one to complain when it's 'the right' doing the very thing you're doing now.
‘Nurses are using food banks ‘, nurses are using food banks, disgraceful
Hypocrisy at its finest
Are ‘nurses using food banks’ ?
Are 'foreigners sending money out of the country'?they are.
Although I'm slightly unclear how this is that different to me spending money on holiday or someone spending their pension in France. So I am comfortable that not all money earnt in the UK is spent in the UK. Provided it's taxed etc.
I'm not comfortable with some nurses requiring food banks. Something is going wrong there. It may be lack of basis fin ed at school or we underpay them.
I'm not happy with MPs making a strawman arguement to minimise and almost ridicule the issue.
That minimisation is more concerning than others over egging the issue. Because issues like this aren't symmetrical.
You've added context to the headline. That's all I've been saying, headlines without context are ridiculous but tbh I'm not sure why I'm surprised from the poster.
Headlines without context aren't good for anyone, they just polarise.
which is exactley what they are meant to do hence daily mail express etc running large polarising headlines which when you read the story beneath bear little or no resemblance to the headline but its the headline most remember
This is exactly what people like Anderson are doing when they say things like "go find me a nurse or firefighter on 35K a year who is using food banks".
It's designed to remove context and shift the conversation away from the real topic which is nurses and firefighters on below this average being forced to use food banks.
Is it?
Isn't he actually responding to headlines rather than creating them?
There is no context in the original headline, which is 'nurses are being forced to use foodbanks'.
Read the following and tell me which nurses are using foodbanks:
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/business/2023/jan/08/nhs-trusts-hospitals-food-banks-for-staff-nurses"I'm going to say that it's a the thousands of NHS staff (including nurses) who cannot afford basic loving costs. But let's also note the headlines is Half of NHS trusts providing or planning food banks for staff Which provides a lot of information as demanded. It's not just NHS trusts providing or planning food banks for staff But again, for headlines provided all the information. No, that's not their purpose even before you get to any commercial angles. But I'd not come away from that article and think the average nurse is using food banks. IMO in the scheme of trying to mislead, Anderson is clearly winning. I can't recall the whole thread, but have you commented on whether his statement was misleading, and compared the degrees and impact of any being misleading ? Can you remind me of your postion? | |||
"He is not afraid to open his mouth which will always upset someone. Listening to his radio interview he threw down the gauntlet and said, go find me a nurse or firefighter on 35K a year who is using food banks, he then went on to say I will give you a year to find them. Is he right, is he wrong? Whatever the outcome I can see why some loathe him and others love him, he is polarising and confusing. what point is he addressing by this tho ? Is this a direct position of somebody. Or is he taking two statements 1) some nurses are using food banks and 2) the average pay is 35k To imply There are nurses on 35k on food banks I haven't listened to it but I'd imagine it's because the RCN and shouting about nurses having to use foodbanks. The average nurses salary is 35k and they argue if you can't live on 35k then you need to learn to budget.that's a non sequitur then. Unless one is saying the average nurse is using a food bank. But you see, the headlines read 'NURSES USING FOODBANKS' Here's a quote form Matthew Tovey, a nurse and spokesperson for the campaign group NHS Say No. "Some people the food banks typically see are student nurses, nurses working part-time, nurses being the sole earner" Nurses are using food banks , which is a disgrace Did you bother to read the quote? That's exactly the type of headline we're seeing without any context. Nurses are using food banks , the headline didn’t say ‘, All nurses are using foodbanks’ wether they are students, single parents or working part time is irrelevant , it’s a disgrace
It's not irrelevant.
Providing headlines without context is exactly why the shitshow that is Brexit happened.
You're the first one to complain when it's 'the right' doing the very thing you're doing now.
‘Nurses are using food banks ‘, nurses are using food banks, disgraceful
Hypocrisy at its finest
Are ‘nurses using food banks’ ?
Are 'foreigners sending money out of the country'?they are.
Although I'm slightly unclear how this is that different to me spending money on holiday or someone spending their pension in France. So I am comfortable that not all money earnt in the UK is spent in the UK. Provided it's taxed etc.
I'm not comfortable with some nurses requiring food banks. Something is going wrong there. It may be lack of basis fin ed at school or we underpay them.
I'm not happy with MPs making a strawman arguement to minimise and almost ridicule the issue.
That minimisation is more concerning than others over egging the issue. Because issues like this aren't symmetrical.
You've added context to the headline. That's all I've been saying, headlines without context are ridiculous but tbh I'm not sure why I'm surprised from the poster.
Headlines without context aren't good for anyone, they just polarise.
which is exactley what they are meant to do hence daily mail express etc running large polarising headlines which when you read the story beneath bear little or no resemblance to the headline but its the headline most remember
This is exactly what people like Anderson are doing when they say things like "go find me a nurse or firefighter on 35K a year who is using food banks".
It's designed to remove context and shift the conversation away from the real topic which is nurses and firefighters on below this average being forced to use food banks.
Is it?
Isn't he actually responding to headlines rather than creating them?
There is no context in the original headline, which is 'nurses are being forced to use foodbanks'.
Read the following and tell me which nurses are using foodbanks:
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/business/2023/jan/08/nhs-trusts-hospitals-food-banks-for-staff-nurses
I'm going to say that it's a the thousands of NHS staff (including nurses) who cannot afford basic loving costs.
But let's also note the headlines is
Half of NHS trusts providing or planning food banks for staff
Which provides a lot of information as demanded. It's not just
NHS trusts providing or planning food banks for staff
But again, for headlines provided all the information. No, that's not their purpose even before you get to any commercial angles.
But I'd not come away from that article and think the average nurse is using food banks.
IMO in the scheme of trying to mislead, Anderson is clearly winning.
I can't recall the whole thread, but have you commented on whether his statement was misleading, and compared the degrees and impact of any being misleading ? Can you remind me of your postion? "That was just one article I grabbed tbh, there's plenty more where it also doesn't give a full picture. Maybe you didn't read my follow up on what the headlines should be. He didn't create the headlines, the headlines were created and he's responding. Who is he misleading by asking the question he asked? | |||
"He is not afraid to open his mouth which will always upset someone. Listening to his radio interview he threw down the gauntlet and said, go find me a nurse or firefighter on 35K a year who is using food banks, he then went on to say I will give you a year to find them. Is he right, is he wrong? Whatever the outcome I can see why some loathe him and others love him, he is polarising and confusing. what point is he addressing by this tho ? Is this a direct position of somebody. Or is he taking two statements 1) some nurses are using food banks and 2) the average pay is 35k To imply There are nurses on 35k on food banks I haven't listened to it but I'd imagine it's because the RCN and shouting about nurses having to use foodbanks. The average nurses salary is 35k and they argue if you can't live on 35k then you need to learn to budget.that's a non sequitur then. Unless one is saying the average nurse is using a food bank. But you see, the headlines read 'NURSES USING FOODBANKS' Here's a quote form Matthew Tovey, a nurse and spokesperson for the campaign group NHS Say No. "Some people the food banks typically see are student nurses, nurses working part-time, nurses being the sole earner" Nurses are using food banks , which is a disgrace Did you bother to read the quote? That's exactly the type of headline we're seeing without any context. Nurses are using food banks , the headline didn’t say ‘, All nurses are using foodbanks’ wether they are students, single parents or working part time is irrelevant , it’s a disgrace
It's not irrelevant.
Providing headlines without context is exactly why the shitshow that is Brexit happened.
You're the first one to complain when it's 'the right' doing the very thing you're doing now.
‘Nurses are using food banks ‘, nurses are using food banks, disgraceful
Hypocrisy at its finest
Are ‘nurses using food banks’ ?
Are 'foreigners sending money out of the country'?they are.
Although I'm slightly unclear how this is that different to me spending money on holiday or someone spending their pension in France. So I am comfortable that not all money earnt in the UK is spent in the UK. Provided it's taxed etc.
I'm not comfortable with some nurses requiring food banks. Something is going wrong there. It may be lack of basis fin ed at school or we underpay them.
I'm not happy with MPs making a strawman arguement to minimise and almost ridicule the issue.
That minimisation is more concerning than others over egging the issue. Because issues like this aren't symmetrical.
You've added context to the headline. That's all I've been saying, headlines without context are ridiculous but tbh I'm not sure why I'm surprised from the poster.
Headlines without context aren't good for anyone, they just polarise.
which is exactley what they are meant to do hence daily mail express etc running large polarising headlines which when you read the story beneath bear little or no resemblance to the headline but its the headline most remember
This is exactly what people like Anderson are doing when they say things like "go find me a nurse or firefighter on 35K a year who is using food banks".
It's designed to remove context and shift the conversation away from the real topic which is nurses and firefighters on below this average being forced to use food banks.
Is it?
Isn't he actually responding to headlines rather than creating them?
There is no context in the original headline, which is 'nurses are being forced to use foodbanks'.
Read the following and tell me which nurses are using foodbanks:
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/business/2023/jan/08/nhs-trusts-hospitals-food-banks-for-staff-nurses
I'm going to say that it's a the thousands of NHS staff (including nurses) who cannot afford basic loving costs.
But let's also note the headlines is
Half of NHS trusts providing or planning food banks for staff
Which provides a lot of information as demanded. It's not just
NHS trusts providing or planning food banks for staff
But again, for headlines provided all the information. No, that's not their purpose even before you get to any commercial angles.
But I'd not come away from that article and think the average nurse is using food banks.
IMO in the scheme of trying to mislead, Anderson is clearly winning.
I can't recall the whole thread, but have you commented on whether his statement was misleading, and compared the degrees and impact of any being misleading ? Can you remind me of your postion?
That was just one article I grabbed tbh, there's plenty more where it also doesn't give a full picture.
Maybe you didn't read my follow up on what the headlines should be. He didn't create the headlines, the headlines were created and he's responding.
Who is he misleading by asking the question he asked?"maybe we should reframe it. If noone can find a nurses on 35k who is using food banks then what does that show .... | |||
"He is not afraid to open his mouth which will always upset someone. Listening to his radio interview he threw down the gauntlet and said, go find me a nurse or firefighter on 35K a year who is using food banks, he then went on to say I will give you a year to find them. Is he right, is he wrong? Whatever the outcome I can see why some loathe him and others love him, he is polarising and confusing. what point is he addressing by this tho ? Is this a direct position of somebody. Or is he taking two statements 1) some nurses are using food banks and 2) the average pay is 35k To imply There are nurses on 35k on food banks I haven't listened to it but I'd imagine it's because the RCN and shouting about nurses having to use foodbanks. The average nurses salary is 35k and they argue if you can't live on 35k then you need to learn to budget.that's a non sequitur then. Unless one is saying the average nurse is using a food bank. But you see, the headlines read 'NURSES USING FOODBANKS' Here's a quote form Matthew Tovey, a nurse and spokesperson for the campaign group NHS Say No. "Some people the food banks typically see are student nurses, nurses working part-time, nurses being the sole earner" Nurses are using food banks , which is a disgrace Did you bother to read the quote? That's exactly the type of headline we're seeing without any context. Nurses are using food banks , the headline didn’t say ‘, All nurses are using foodbanks’ wether they are students, single parents or working part time is irrelevant , it’s a disgrace
It's not irrelevant.
Providing headlines without context is exactly why the shitshow that is Brexit happened.
You're the first one to complain when it's 'the right' doing the very thing you're doing now.
‘Nurses are using food banks ‘, nurses are using food banks, disgraceful
Hypocrisy at its finest
Are ‘nurses using food banks’ ?
Are 'foreigners sending money out of the country'?they are.
Although I'm slightly unclear how this is that different to me spending money on holiday or someone spending their pension in France. So I am comfortable that not all money earnt in the UK is spent in the UK. Provided it's taxed etc.
I'm not comfortable with some nurses requiring food banks. Something is going wrong there. It may be lack of basis fin ed at school or we underpay them.
I'm not happy with MPs making a strawman arguement to minimise and almost ridicule the issue.
That minimisation is more concerning than others over egging the issue. Because issues like this aren't symmetrical.
You've added context to the headline. That's all I've been saying, headlines without context are ridiculous but tbh I'm not sure why I'm surprised from the poster.
Headlines without context aren't good for anyone, they just polarise.
which is exactley what they are meant to do hence daily mail express etc running large polarising headlines which when you read the story beneath bear little or no resemblance to the headline but its the headline most remember
This is exactly what people like Anderson are doing when they say things like "go find me a nurse or firefighter on 35K a year who is using food banks".
It's designed to remove context and shift the conversation away from the real topic which is nurses and firefighters on below this average being forced to use food banks.
Is it?
Isn't he actually responding to headlines rather than creating them?
There is no context in the original headline, which is 'nurses are being forced to use foodbanks'.
Read the following and tell me which nurses are using foodbanks:
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/business/2023/jan/08/nhs-trusts-hospitals-food-banks-for-staff-nurses
I'm going to say that it's a the thousands of NHS staff (including nurses) who cannot afford basic loving costs.
But let's also note the headlines is
Half of NHS trusts providing or planning food banks for staff
Which provides a lot of information as demanded. It's not just
NHS trusts providing or planning food banks for staff
But again, for headlines provided all the information. No, that's not their purpose even before you get to any commercial angles.
But I'd not come away from that article and think the average nurse is using food banks.
IMO in the scheme of trying to mislead, Anderson is clearly winning.
I can't recall the whole thread, but have you commented on whether his statement was misleading, and compared the degrees and impact of any being misleading ? Can you remind me of your postion?
That was just one article I grabbed tbh, there's plenty more where it also doesn't give a full picture.
Maybe you didn't read my follow up on what the headlines should be. He didn't create the headlines, the headlines were created and he's responding.
Who is he misleading by asking the question he asked?maybe we should reframe it. If noone can find a nurses on 35k who is using food banks then what does that show ....
"We can reframe it all you like. That doesn't take away the fact that he didn't create the headlines in the first place. As I said, the story is actually 'students, part timers, and sole earners are using foodbanks' | |||
"He is not afraid to open his mouth which will always upset someone. Listening to his radio interview he threw down the gauntlet and said, go find me a nurse or firefighter on 35K a year who is using food banks, he then went on to say I will give you a year to find them. Is he right, is he wrong? Whatever the outcome I can see why some loathe him and others love him, he is polarising and confusing. what point is he addressing by this tho ? Is this a direct position of somebody. Or is he taking two statements 1) some nurses are using food banks and 2) the average pay is 35k To imply There are nurses on 35k on food banks I haven't listened to it but I'd imagine it's because the RCN and shouting about nurses having to use foodbanks. The average nurses salary is 35k and they argue if you can't live on 35k then you need to learn to budget.that's a non sequitur then. Unless one is saying the average nurse is using a food bank. But you see, the headlines read 'NURSES USING FOODBANKS' Here's a quote form Matthew Tovey, a nurse and spokesperson for the campaign group NHS Say No. "Some people the food banks typically see are student nurses, nurses working part-time, nurses being the sole earner" Nurses are using food banks , which is a disgrace Did you bother to read the quote? That's exactly the type of headline we're seeing without any context. Nurses are using food banks , the headline didn’t say ‘, All nurses are using foodbanks’ wether they are students, single parents or working part time is irrelevant , it’s a disgrace
It's not irrelevant.
Providing headlines without context is exactly why the shitshow that is Brexit happened.
You're the first one to complain when it's 'the right' doing the very thing you're doing now.
‘Nurses are using food banks ‘, nurses are using food banks, disgraceful
Hypocrisy at its finest
Are ‘nurses using food banks’ ?
Are 'foreigners sending money out of the country'?they are.
Although I'm slightly unclear how this is that different to me spending money on holiday or someone spending their pension in France. So I am comfortable that not all money earnt in the UK is spent in the UK. Provided it's taxed etc.
I'm not comfortable with some nurses requiring food banks. Something is going wrong there. It may be lack of basis fin ed at school or we underpay them.
I'm not happy with MPs making a strawman arguement to minimise and almost ridicule the issue.
That minimisation is more concerning than others over egging the issue. Because issues like this aren't symmetrical.
You've added context to the headline. That's all I've been saying, headlines without context are ridiculous but tbh I'm not sure why I'm surprised from the poster.
Headlines without context aren't good for anyone, they just polarise.
which is exactley what they are meant to do hence daily mail express etc running large polarising headlines which when you read the story beneath bear little or no resemblance to the headline but its the headline most remember
This is exactly what people like Anderson are doing when they say things like "go find me a nurse or firefighter on 35K a year who is using food banks".
It's designed to remove context and shift the conversation away from the real topic which is nurses and firefighters on below this average being forced to use food banks.
Is it?
Isn't he actually responding to headlines rather than creating them?
There is no context in the original headline, which is 'nurses are being forced to use foodbanks'.
Read the following and tell me which nurses are using foodbanks:
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/business/2023/jan/08/nhs-trusts-hospitals-food-banks-for-staff-nurses
I'm going to say that it's a the thousands of NHS staff (including nurses) who cannot afford basic loving costs.
But let's also note the headlines is
Half of NHS trusts providing or planning food banks for staff
Which provides a lot of information as demanded. It's not just
NHS trusts providing or planning food banks for staff
But again, for headlines provided all the information. No, that's not their purpose even before you get to any commercial angles.
But I'd not come away from that article and think the average nurse is using food banks.
IMO in the scheme of trying to mislead, Anderson is clearly winning.
I can't recall the whole thread, but have you commented on whether his statement was misleading, and compared the degrees and impact of any being misleading ? Can you remind me of your postion?
That was just one article I grabbed tbh, there's plenty more where it also doesn't give a full picture.
Maybe you didn't read my follow up on what the headlines should be. He didn't create the headlines, the headlines were created and he's responding.
Who is he misleading by asking the question he asked?maybe we should reframe it. If noone can find a nurses on 35k who is using food banks then what does that show ....
We can reframe it all you like. That doesn't take away the fact that he didn't create the headlines in the first place.
As I said, the story is actually 'students, part timers, and sole earners are using foodbanks'"I don't disagree with that being the wider context. However 1) specifics help bring the generic to light. We may expect some V low earners to require help. But how bad has the world got of some nurses need help. 2) it's being used to help understand the need for an inflationary payrise. 3) which is in the government gift. Hence Anderson steaming on with distraction techniques. Arguably the headlines are being created because of HMG approach to NHS staff pay. As before, I agree newspapers, unions and MPs have agendas. Could some articles be clearer. Yes. Is Anderson muddying the waters by his question. Yes. Which approach will help the wider issue of students, part timers and sole earners needing food banks? If that is your concern, Anderson is seeking to minimise your cause by throwing out strawmen. If your concern is simply having the whole picture presented from a purist pov, Anderson hasnt added to highlighting the whole truth. He's added shade. He didn't create the headline. But also he's not doughty to address it and correct it either. He's used the ambiguity too create an odd straw man. I wonder what his motivation is. | |||
"He is not afraid to open his mouth which will always upset someone. Listening to his radio interview he threw down the gauntlet and said, go find me a nurse or firefighter on 35K a year who is using food banks, he then went on to say I will give you a year to find them. Is he right, is he wrong? Whatever the outcome I can see why some loathe him and others love him, he is polarising and confusing. what point is he addressing by this tho ? Is this a direct position of somebody. Or is he taking two statements 1) some nurses are using food banks and 2) the average pay is 35k To imply There are nurses on 35k on food banks I haven't listened to it but I'd imagine it's because the RCN and shouting about nurses having to use foodbanks. The average nurses salary is 35k and they argue if you can't live on 35k then you need to learn to budget.that's a non sequitur then. Unless one is saying the average nurse is using a food bank. But you see, the headlines read 'NURSES USING FOODBANKS' Here's a quote form Matthew Tovey, a nurse and spokesperson for the campaign group NHS Say No. "Some people the food banks typically see are student nurses, nurses working part-time, nurses being the sole earner" Nurses are using food banks , which is a disgrace Did you bother to read the quote? That's exactly the type of headline we're seeing without any context. Nurses are using food banks , the headline didn’t say ‘, All nurses are using foodbanks’ wether they are students, single parents or working part time is irrelevant , it’s a disgrace
It's not irrelevant.
Providing headlines without context is exactly why the shitshow that is Brexit happened.
You're the first one to complain when it's 'the right' doing the very thing you're doing now.
‘Nurses are using food banks ‘, nurses are using food banks, disgraceful
Hypocrisy at its finest
Are ‘nurses using food banks’ ?
Are 'foreigners sending money out of the country'?they are.
Although I'm slightly unclear how this is that different to me spending money on holiday or someone spending their pension in France. So I am comfortable that not all money earnt in the UK is spent in the UK. Provided it's taxed etc.
I'm not comfortable with some nurses requiring food banks. Something is going wrong there. It may be lack of basis fin ed at school or we underpay them.
I'm not happy with MPs making a strawman arguement to minimise and almost ridicule the issue.
That minimisation is more concerning than others over egging the issue. Because issues like this aren't symmetrical.
You've added context to the headline. That's all I've been saying, headlines without context are ridiculous but tbh I'm not sure why I'm surprised from the poster.
Headlines without context aren't good for anyone, they just polarise.
which is exactley what they are meant to do hence daily mail express etc running large polarising headlines which when you read the story beneath bear little or no resemblance to the headline but its the headline most remember
This is exactly what people like Anderson are doing when they say things like "go find me a nurse or firefighter on 35K a year who is using food banks".
It's designed to remove context and shift the conversation away from the real topic which is nurses and firefighters on below this average being forced to use food banks.
Is it?
Isn't he actually responding to headlines rather than creating them?
There is no context in the original headline, which is 'nurses are being forced to use foodbanks'.
Read the following and tell me which nurses are using foodbanks:
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/business/2023/jan/08/nhs-trusts-hospitals-food-banks-for-staff-nurses
I'm going to say that it's a the thousands of NHS staff (including nurses) who cannot afford basic loving costs.
But let's also note the headlines is
Half of NHS trusts providing or planning food banks for staff
Which provides a lot of information as demanded. It's not just
NHS trusts providing or planning food banks for staff
But again, for headlines provided all the information. No, that's not their purpose even before you get to any commercial angles.
But I'd not come away from that article and think the average nurse is using food banks.
IMO in the scheme of trying to mislead, Anderson is clearly winning.
I can't recall the whole thread, but have you commented on whether his statement was misleading, and compared the degrees and impact of any being misleading ? Can you remind me of your postion?
That was just one article I grabbed tbh, there's plenty more where it also doesn't give a full picture.
Maybe you didn't read my follow up on what the headlines should be. He didn't create the headlines, the headlines were created and he's responding.
Who is he misleading by asking the question he asked?maybe we should reframe it. If noone can find a nurses on 35k who is using food banks then what does that show ....
We can reframe it all you like. That doesn't take away the fact that he didn't create the headlines in the first place.
As I said, the story is actually 'students, part timers, and sole earners are using foodbanks'I don't disagree with that being the wider context.
However 1) specifics help bring the generic to light. We may expect some V low earners to require help. But how bad has the world got of some nurses need help.
2) it's being used to help understand the need for an inflationary payrise.
3) which is in the government gift. Hence Anderson steaming on with distraction techniques.
Arguably the headlines are being created because of HMG approach to NHS staff pay.
As before, I agree newspapers, unions and MPs have agendas. Could some articles be clearer. Yes.
Is Anderson muddying the waters by his question. Yes.
Which approach will help the wider issue of students, part timers and sole earners needing food banks?
If that is your concern, Anderson is seeking to minimise your cause by throwing out strawmen.
If your concern is simply having the whole picture presented from a purist pov, Anderson hasnt added to highlighting the whole truth. He's added shade. He didn't create the headline. But also he's not doughty to address it and correct it either. He's used the ambiguity too create an odd straw man. I wonder what his motivation is. "In the context of this thread, for me, it doesn't matter what his motivation is. My issue here is that certain people are more than happy to jump on him but will refuse to accept that headlines play both ways. If we're calling out one, we should be calling out the other, but nope, apparently, because it's nurses, it's OK. | |||
"He is not afraid to open his mouth which will always upset someone. Listening to his radio interview he threw down the gauntlet and said, go find me a nurse or firefighter on 35K a year who is using food banks, he then went on to say I will give you a year to find them. Is he right, is he wrong? Whatever the outcome I can see why some loathe him and others love him, he is polarising and confusing. what point is he addressing by this tho ? Is this a direct position of somebody. Or is he taking two statements 1) some nurses are using food banks and 2) the average pay is 35k To imply There are nurses on 35k on food banks I haven't listened to it but I'd imagine it's because the RCN and shouting about nurses having to use foodbanks. The average nurses salary is 35k and they argue if you can't live on 35k then you need to learn to budget.that's a non sequitur then. Unless one is saying the average nurse is using a food bank. But you see, the headlines read 'NURSES USING FOODBANKS' Here's a quote form Matthew Tovey, a nurse and spokesperson for the campaign group NHS Say No. "Some people the food banks typically see are student nurses, nurses working part-time, nurses being the sole earner" Nurses are using food banks , which is a disgrace Did you bother to read the quote? That's exactly the type of headline we're seeing without any context. Nurses are using food banks , the headline didn’t say ‘, All nurses are using foodbanks’ wether they are students, single parents or working part time is irrelevant , it’s a disgrace
It's not irrelevant.
Providing headlines without context is exactly why the shitshow that is Brexit happened.
You're the first one to complain when it's 'the right' doing the very thing you're doing now.
‘Nurses are using food banks ‘, nurses are using food banks, disgraceful
Hypocrisy at its finest
Are ‘nurses using food banks’ ?
Are 'foreigners sending money out of the country'?they are.
Although I'm slightly unclear how this is that different to me spending money on holiday or someone spending their pension in France. So I am comfortable that not all money earnt in the UK is spent in the UK. Provided it's taxed etc.
I'm not comfortable with some nurses requiring food banks. Something is going wrong there. It may be lack of basis fin ed at school or we underpay them.
I'm not happy with MPs making a strawman arguement to minimise and almost ridicule the issue.
That minimisation is more concerning than others over egging the issue. Because issues like this aren't symmetrical.
You've added context to the headline. That's all I've been saying, headlines without context are ridiculous but tbh I'm not sure why I'm surprised from the poster.
Headlines without context aren't good for anyone, they just polarise.
which is exactley what they are meant to do hence daily mail express etc running large polarising headlines which when you read the story beneath bear little or no resemblance to the headline but its the headline most remember
This is exactly what people like Anderson are doing when they say things like "go find me a nurse or firefighter on 35K a year who is using food banks".
It's designed to remove context and shift the conversation away from the real topic which is nurses and firefighters on below this average being forced to use food banks.
Is it?
Isn't he actually responding to headlines rather than creating them?
There is no context in the original headline, which is 'nurses are being forced to use foodbanks'.
Read the following and tell me which nurses are using foodbanks:
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/business/2023/jan/08/nhs-trusts-hospitals-food-banks-for-staff-nurses
I'm going to say that it's a the thousands of NHS staff (including nurses) who cannot afford basic loving costs.
But let's also note the headlines is
Half of NHS trusts providing or planning food banks for staff
Which provides a lot of information as demanded. It's not just
NHS trusts providing or planning food banks for staff
But again, for headlines provided all the information. No, that's not their purpose even before you get to any commercial angles.
But I'd not come away from that article and think the average nurse is using food banks.
IMO in the scheme of trying to mislead, Anderson is clearly winning.
I can't recall the whole thread, but have you commented on whether his statement was misleading, and compared the degrees and impact of any being misleading ? Can you remind me of your postion?
That was just one article I grabbed tbh, there's plenty more where it also doesn't give a full picture.
Maybe you didn't read my follow up on what the headlines should be. He didn't create the headlines, the headlines were created and he's responding.
Who is he misleading by asking the question he asked?maybe we should reframe it. If noone can find a nurses on 35k who is using food banks then what does that show ....
We can reframe it all you like. That doesn't take away the fact that he didn't create the headlines in the first place.
As I said, the story is actually 'students, part timers, and sole earners are using foodbanks'I don't disagree with that being the wider context.
However 1) specifics help bring the generic to light. We may expect some V low earners to require help. But how bad has the world got of some nurses need help.
2) it's being used to help understand the need for an inflationary payrise.
3) which is in the government gift. Hence Anderson steaming on with distraction techniques.
Arguably the headlines are being created because of HMG approach to NHS staff pay.
As before, I agree newspapers, unions and MPs have agendas. Could some articles be clearer. Yes.
Is Anderson muddying the waters by his question. Yes.
Which approach will help the wider issue of students, part timers and sole earners needing food banks?
If that is your concern, Anderson is seeking to minimise your cause by throwing out strawmen.
If your concern is simply having the whole picture presented from a purist pov, Anderson hasnt added to highlighting the whole truth. He's added shade. He didn't create the headline. But also he's not doughty to address it and correct it either. He's used the ambiguity too create an odd straw man. I wonder what his motivation is. "I missed your question in the middle of that. Which approach will help. I'd genuinely like to explore UBI. I understand it'll be expensive, but health, including mental, stress etc is too important for anyone | |||
"He is not afraid to open his mouth which will always upset someone. Listening to his radio interview he threw down the gauntlet and said, go find me a nurse or firefighter on 35K a year who is using food banks, he then went on to say I will give you a year to find them. Is he right, is he wrong? Whatever the outcome I can see why some loathe him and others love him, he is polarising and confusing. what point is he addressing by this tho ? Is this a direct position of somebody. Or is he taking two statements 1) some nurses are using food banks and 2) the average pay is 35k To imply There are nurses on 35k on food banks I haven't listened to it but I'd imagine it's because the RCN and shouting about nurses having to use foodbanks. The average nurses salary is 35k and they argue if you can't live on 35k then you need to learn to budget.that's a non sequitur then. Unless one is saying the average nurse is using a food bank. But you see, the headlines read 'NURSES USING FOODBANKS' Here's a quote form Matthew Tovey, a nurse and spokesperson for the campaign group NHS Say No. "Some people the food banks typically see are student nurses, nurses working part-time, nurses being the sole earner" Nurses are using food banks , which is a disgrace Did you bother to read the quote? That's exactly the type of headline we're seeing without any context. Nurses are using food banks , the headline didn’t say ‘, All nurses are using foodbanks’ wether they are students, single parents or working part time is irrelevant , it’s a disgrace
It's not irrelevant.
Providing headlines without context is exactly why the shitshow that is Brexit happened.
You're the first one to complain when it's 'the right' doing the very thing you're doing now.
‘Nurses are using food banks ‘, nurses are using food banks, disgraceful
Hypocrisy at its finest
Are ‘nurses using food banks’ ?
Are 'foreigners sending money out of the country'?they are.
Although I'm slightly unclear how this is that different to me spending money on holiday or someone spending their pension in France. So I am comfortable that not all money earnt in the UK is spent in the UK. Provided it's taxed etc.
I'm not comfortable with some nurses requiring food banks. Something is going wrong there. It may be lack of basis fin ed at school or we underpay them.
I'm not happy with MPs making a strawman arguement to minimise and almost ridicule the issue.
That minimisation is more concerning than others over egging the issue. Because issues like this aren't symmetrical.
You've added context to the headline. That's all I've been saying, headlines without context are ridiculous but tbh I'm not sure why I'm surprised from the poster.
Headlines without context aren't good for anyone, they just polarise.
which is exactley what they are meant to do hence daily mail express etc running large polarising headlines which when you read the story beneath bear little or no resemblance to the headline but its the headline most remember
This is exactly what people like Anderson are doing when they say things like "go find me a nurse or firefighter on 35K a year who is using food banks".
It's designed to remove context and shift the conversation away from the real topic which is nurses and firefighters on below this average being forced to use food banks.
Is it?
Isn't he actually responding to headlines rather than creating them?
There is no context in the original headline, which is 'nurses are being forced to use foodbanks'.
Read the following and tell me which nurses are using foodbanks:
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/business/2023/jan/08/nhs-trusts-hospitals-food-banks-for-staff-nurses
I'm going to say that it's a the thousands of NHS staff (including nurses) who cannot afford basic loving costs.
But let's also note the headlines is
Half of NHS trusts providing or planning food banks for staff
Which provides a lot of information as demanded. It's not just
NHS trusts providing or planning food banks for staff
But again, for headlines provided all the information. No, that's not their purpose even before you get to any commercial angles.
But I'd not come away from that article and think the average nurse is using food banks.
IMO in the scheme of trying to mislead, Anderson is clearly winning.
I can't recall the whole thread, but have you commented on whether his statement was misleading, and compared the degrees and impact of any being misleading ? Can you remind me of your postion?
That was just one article I grabbed tbh, there's plenty more where it also doesn't give a full picture.
Maybe you didn't read my follow up on what the headlines should be. He didn't create the headlines, the headlines were created and he's responding.
Who is he misleading by asking the question he asked?maybe we should reframe it. If noone can find a nurses on 35k who is using food banks then what does that show ....
We can reframe it all you like. That doesn't take away the fact that he didn't create the headlines in the first place.
As I said, the story is actually 'students, part timers, and sole earners are using foodbanks'I don't disagree with that being the wider context.
However 1) specifics help bring the generic to light. We may expect some V low earners to require help. But how bad has the world got of some nurses need help.
2) it's being used to help understand the need for an inflationary payrise.
3) which is in the government gift. Hence Anderson steaming on with distraction techniques.
Arguably the headlines are being created because of HMG approach to NHS staff pay.
As before, I agree newspapers, unions and MPs have agendas. Could some articles be clearer. Yes.
Is Anderson muddying the waters by his question. Yes.
Which approach will help the wider issue of students, part timers and sole earners needing food banks?
If that is your concern, Anderson is seeking to minimise your cause by throwing out strawmen.
If your concern is simply having the whole picture presented from a purist pov, Anderson hasnt added to highlighting the whole truth. He's added shade. He didn't create the headline. But also he's not doughty to address it and correct it either. He's used the ambiguity too create an odd straw man. I wonder what his motivation is.
In the context of this thread, for me, it doesn't matter what his motivation is.
My issue here is that certain people are more than happy to jump on him but will refuse to accept that headlines play both ways.
If we're calling out one, we should be calling out the other, but nope, apparently, because it's nurses, it's OK."I understand your view. I agree reactions should be balanced ... But only if there is equal balance in the initial "action". I suspect we have different views on whether Anderson creating a strawman is equal and opposite to a headline not trying to capture the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth. So I agrew with your overall position. I just don't agree that it should be applied here in the way you do. | |||
"He is not afraid to open his mouth which will always upset someone. Listening to his radio interview he threw down the gauntlet and said, go find me a nurse or firefighter on 35K a year who is using food banks, he then went on to say I will give you a year to find them. Is he right, is he wrong? Whatever the outcome I can see why some loathe him and others love him, he is polarising and confusing. what point is he addressing by this tho ? Is this a direct position of somebody. Or is he taking two statements 1) some nurses are using food banks and 2) the average pay is 35k To imply There are nurses on 35k on food banks I haven't listened to it but I'd imagine it's because the RCN and shouting about nurses having to use foodbanks. The average nurses salary is 35k and they argue if you can't live on 35k then you need to learn to budget.that's a non sequitur then. Unless one is saying the average nurse is using a food bank. But you see, the headlines read 'NURSES USING FOODBANKS' Here's a quote form Matthew Tovey, a nurse and spokesperson for the campaign group NHS Say No. "Some people the food banks typically see are student nurses, nurses working part-time, nurses being the sole earner" Nurses are using food banks , which is a disgrace Did you bother to read the quote? That's exactly the type of headline we're seeing without any context. Nurses are using food banks , the headline didn’t say ‘, All nurses are using foodbanks’ wether they are students, single parents or working part time is irrelevant , it’s a disgrace
It's not irrelevant.
Providing headlines without context is exactly why the shitshow that is Brexit happened.
You're the first one to complain when it's 'the right' doing the very thing you're doing now.
‘Nurses are using food banks ‘, nurses are using food banks, disgraceful
Hypocrisy at its finest
Are ‘nurses using food banks’ ?
Are 'foreigners sending money out of the country'?they are.
Although I'm slightly unclear how this is that different to me spending money on holiday or someone spending their pension in France. So I am comfortable that not all money earnt in the UK is spent in the UK. Provided it's taxed etc.
I'm not comfortable with some nurses requiring food banks. Something is going wrong there. It may be lack of basis fin ed at school or we underpay them.
I'm not happy with MPs making a strawman arguement to minimise and almost ridicule the issue.
That minimisation is more concerning than others over egging the issue. Because issues like this aren't symmetrical.
You've added context to the headline. That's all I've been saying, headlines without context are ridiculous but tbh I'm not sure why I'm surprised from the poster.
Headlines without context aren't good for anyone, they just polarise.
which is exactley what they are meant to do hence daily mail express etc running large polarising headlines which when you read the story beneath bear little or no resemblance to the headline but its the headline most remember
This is exactly what people like Anderson are doing when they say things like "go find me a nurse or firefighter on 35K a year who is using food banks".
It's designed to remove context and shift the conversation away from the real topic which is nurses and firefighters on below this average being forced to use food banks.
Is it?
Isn't he actually responding to headlines rather than creating them?
There is no context in the original headline, which is 'nurses are being forced to use foodbanks'.
Read the following and tell me which nurses are using foodbanks:
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/business/2023/jan/08/nhs-trusts-hospitals-food-banks-for-staff-nurses
I'm going to say that it's a the thousands of NHS staff (including nurses) who cannot afford basic loving costs.
But let's also note the headlines is
Half of NHS trusts providing or planning food banks for staff
Which provides a lot of information as demanded. It's not just
NHS trusts providing or planning food banks for staff
But again, for headlines provided all the information. No, that's not their purpose even before you get to any commercial angles.
But I'd not come away from that article and think the average nurse is using food banks.
IMO in the scheme of trying to mislead, Anderson is clearly winning.
I can't recall the whole thread, but have you commented on whether his statement was misleading, and compared the degrees and impact of any being misleading ? Can you remind me of your postion?
That was just one article I grabbed tbh, there's plenty more where it also doesn't give a full picture.
Maybe you didn't read my follow up on what the headlines should be. He didn't create the headlines, the headlines were created and he's responding.
Who is he misleading by asking the question he asked?maybe we should reframe it. If noone can find a nurses on 35k who is using food banks then what does that show ....
We can reframe it all you like. That doesn't take away the fact that he didn't create the headlines in the first place.
As I said, the story is actually 'students, part timers, and sole earners are using foodbanks'I don't disagree with that being the wider context.
However 1) specifics help bring the generic to light. We may expect some V low earners to require help. But how bad has the world got of some nurses need help.
2) it's being used to help understand the need for an inflationary payrise.
3) which is in the government gift. Hence Anderson steaming on with distraction techniques.
Arguably the headlines are being created because of HMG approach to NHS staff pay.
As before, I agree newspapers, unions and MPs have agendas. Could some articles be clearer. Yes.
Is Anderson muddying the waters by his question. Yes.
Which approach will help the wider issue of students, part timers and sole earners needing food banks?
If that is your concern, Anderson is seeking to minimise your cause by throwing out strawmen.
If your concern is simply having the whole picture presented from a purist pov, Anderson hasnt added to highlighting the whole truth. He's added shade. He didn't create the headline. But also he's not doughty to address it and correct it either. He's used the ambiguity too create an odd straw man. I wonder what his motivation is.
I missed your question in the middle of that.
Which approach will help. I'd genuinely like to explore UBI. I understand it'll be expensive, but health, including mental, stress etc is too important for anyone"that's a different thread. I meant more which approach of the newspaper focusing on nurses verus Anderson stawmaning would have more benefit to the wider good. As I sensed part of your frustration was with ten focus on nurses rathwr than that many other people are also in financial hardship. | |||
"He is not afraid to open his mouth which will always upset someone. Listening to his radio interview he threw down the gauntlet and said, go find me a nurse or firefighter on 35K a year who is using food banks, he then went on to say I will give you a year to find them. Is he right, is he wrong? Whatever the outcome I can see why some loathe him and others love him, he is polarising and confusing. what point is he addressing by this tho ? Is this a direct position of somebody. Or is he taking two statements 1) some nurses are using food banks and 2) the average pay is 35k To imply There are nurses on 35k on food banks I haven't listened to it but I'd imagine it's because the RCN and shouting about nurses having to use foodbanks. The average nurses salary is 35k and they argue if you can't live on 35k then you need to learn to budget.that's a non sequitur then. Unless one is saying the average nurse is using a food bank. But you see, the headlines read 'NURSES USING FOODBANKS' Here's a quote form Matthew Tovey, a nurse and spokesperson for the campaign group NHS Say No. "Some people the food banks typically see are student nurses, nurses working part-time, nurses being the sole earner" Nurses are using food banks , which is a disgrace Did you bother to read the quote? That's exactly the type of headline we're seeing without any context. Nurses are using food banks , the headline didn’t say ‘, All nurses are using foodbanks’ wether they are students, single parents or working part time is irrelevant , it’s a disgrace
It's not irrelevant.
Providing headlines without context is exactly why the shitshow that is Brexit happened.
You're the first one to complain when it's 'the right' doing the very thing you're doing now.
‘Nurses are using food banks ‘, nurses are using food banks, disgraceful
Hypocrisy at its finest
Are ‘nurses using food banks’ ?
Are 'foreigners sending money out of the country'?they are.
Although I'm slightly unclear how this is that different to me spending money on holiday or someone spending their pension in France. So I am comfortable that not all money earnt in the UK is spent in the UK. Provided it's taxed etc.
I'm not comfortable with some nurses requiring food banks. Something is going wrong there. It may be lack of basis fin ed at school or we underpay them.
I'm not happy with MPs making a strawman arguement to minimise and almost ridicule the issue.
That minimisation is more concerning than others over egging the issue. Because issues like this aren't symmetrical.
You've added context to the headline. That's all I've been saying, headlines without context are ridiculous but tbh I'm not sure why I'm surprised from the poster.
Headlines without context aren't good for anyone, they just polarise.
which is exactley what they are meant to do hence daily mail express etc running large polarising headlines which when you read the story beneath bear little or no resemblance to the headline but its the headline most remember
This is exactly what people like Anderson are doing when they say things like "go find me a nurse or firefighter on 35K a year who is using food banks".
It's designed to remove context and shift the conversation away from the real topic which is nurses and firefighters on below this average being forced to use food banks.
Is it?
Isn't he actually responding to headlines rather than creating them?
There is no context in the original headline, which is 'nurses are being forced to use foodbanks'.
Read the following and tell me which nurses are using foodbanks:
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/business/2023/jan/08/nhs-trusts-hospitals-food-banks-for-staff-nurses
I'm going to say that it's a the thousands of NHS staff (including nurses) who cannot afford basic loving costs.
But let's also note the headlines is
Half of NHS trusts providing or planning food banks for staff
Which provides a lot of information as demanded. It's not just
NHS trusts providing or planning food banks for staff
But again, for headlines provided all the information. No, that's not their purpose even before you get to any commercial angles.
But I'd not come away from that article and think the average nurse is using food banks.
IMO in the scheme of trying to mislead, Anderson is clearly winning.
I can't recall the whole thread, but have you commented on whether his statement was misleading, and compared the degrees and impact of any being misleading ? Can you remind me of your postion?
That was just one article I grabbed tbh, there's plenty more where it also doesn't give a full picture.
Maybe you didn't read my follow up on what the headlines should be. He didn't create the headlines, the headlines were created and he's responding.
Who is he misleading by asking the question he asked?maybe we should reframe it. If noone can find a nurses on 35k who is using food banks then what does that show ....
We can reframe it all you like. That doesn't take away the fact that he didn't create the headlines in the first place.
As I said, the story is actually 'students, part timers, and sole earners are using foodbanks'I don't disagree with that being the wider context.
However 1) specifics help bring the generic to light. We may expect some V low earners to require help. But how bad has the world got of some nurses need help.
2) it's being used to help understand the need for an inflationary payrise.
3) which is in the government gift. Hence Anderson steaming on with distraction techniques.
Arguably the headlines are being created because of HMG approach to NHS staff pay.
As before, I agree newspapers, unions and MPs have agendas. Could some articles be clearer. Yes.
Is Anderson muddying the waters by his question. Yes.
Which approach will help the wider issue of students, part timers and sole earners needing food banks?
If that is your concern, Anderson is seeking to minimise your cause by throwing out strawmen.
If your concern is simply having the whole picture presented from a purist pov, Anderson hasnt added to highlighting the whole truth. He's added shade. He didn't create the headline. But also he's not doughty to address it and correct it either. He's used the ambiguity too create an odd straw man. I wonder what his motivation is.
I missed your question in the middle of that.
Which approach will help. I'd genuinely like to explore UBI. I understand it'll be expensive, but health, including mental, stress etc is too important for anyonethat's a different thread. I meant more which approach of the newspaper focusing on nurses verus Anderson stawmaning would have more benefit to the wider good. As I sensed part of your frustration was with ten focus on nurses rathwr than that many other people are also in financial hardship. "I think part of the problem here is the initial reporting. If the press focused more on the overall picture then Anderson wouldn't have a leg to stand on. As it happens, they didn't, he is then questioned and gives his answer. Right or wrong, the focus is in the wrong place to begin with | |||
"He is not afraid to open his mouth which will always upset someone. Listening to his radio interview he threw down the gauntlet and said, go find me a nurse or firefighter on 35K a year who is using food banks, he then went on to say I will give you a year to find them. Is he right, is he wrong? Whatever the outcome I can see why some loathe him and others love him, he is polarising and confusing. what point is he addressing by this tho ? Is this a direct position of somebody. Or is he taking two statements 1) some nurses are using food banks and 2) the average pay is 35k To imply There are nurses on 35k on food banks I haven't listened to it but I'd imagine it's because the RCN and shouting about nurses having to use foodbanks. The average nurses salary is 35k and they argue if you can't live on 35k then you need to learn to budget.that's a non sequitur then. Unless one is saying the average nurse is using a food bank. But you see, the headlines read 'NURSES USING FOODBANKS' Here's a quote form Matthew Tovey, a nurse and spokesperson for the campaign group NHS Say No. "Some people the food banks typically see are student nurses, nurses working part-time, nurses being the sole earner" Nurses are using food banks , which is a disgrace Did you bother to read the quote? That's exactly the type of headline we're seeing without any context. Nurses are using food banks , the headline didn’t say ‘, All nurses are using foodbanks’ wether they are students, single parents or working part time is irrelevant , it’s a disgrace
It's not irrelevant.
Providing headlines without context is exactly why the shitshow that is Brexit happened.
You're the first one to complain when it's 'the right' doing the very thing you're doing now.
‘Nurses are using food banks ‘, nurses are using food banks, disgraceful
Hypocrisy at its finest
Are ‘nurses using food banks’ ?
Are 'foreigners sending money out of the country'?they are.
Although I'm slightly unclear how this is that different to me spending money on holiday or someone spending their pension in France. So I am comfortable that not all money earnt in the UK is spent in the UK. Provided it's taxed etc.
I'm not comfortable with some nurses requiring food banks. Something is going wrong there. It may be lack of basis fin ed at school or we underpay them.
I'm not happy with MPs making a strawman arguement to minimise and almost ridicule the issue.
That minimisation is more concerning than others over egging the issue. Because issues like this aren't symmetrical.
You've added context to the headline. That's all I've been saying, headlines without context are ridiculous but tbh I'm not sure why I'm surprised from the poster.
Headlines without context aren't good for anyone, they just polarise.
which is exactley what they are meant to do hence daily mail express etc running large polarising headlines which when you read the story beneath bear little or no resemblance to the headline but its the headline most remember
This is exactly what people like Anderson are doing when they say things like "go find me a nurse or firefighter on 35K a year who is using food banks".
It's designed to remove context and shift the conversation away from the real topic which is nurses and firefighters on below this average being forced to use food banks.
Is it?
Isn't he actually responding to headlines rather than creating them?
There is no context in the original headline, which is 'nurses are being forced to use foodbanks'.
Read the following and tell me which nurses are using foodbanks:
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/business/2023/jan/08/nhs-trusts-hospitals-food-banks-for-staff-nurses
I'm going to say that it's a the thousands of NHS staff (including nurses) who cannot afford basic loving costs.
But let's also note the headlines is
Half of NHS trusts providing or planning food banks for staff
Which provides a lot of information as demanded. It's not just
NHS trusts providing or planning food banks for staff
But again, for headlines provided all the information. No, that's not their purpose even before you get to any commercial angles.
But I'd not come away from that article and think the average nurse is using food banks.
IMO in the scheme of trying to mislead, Anderson is clearly winning.
I can't recall the whole thread, but have you commented on whether his statement was misleading, and compared the degrees and impact of any being misleading ? Can you remind me of your postion?
That was just one article I grabbed tbh, there's plenty more where it also doesn't give a full picture.
Maybe you didn't read my follow up on what the headlines should be. He didn't create the headlines, the headlines were created and he's responding.
Who is he misleading by asking the question he asked?maybe we should reframe it. If noone can find a nurses on 35k who is using food banks then what does that show ....
We can reframe it all you like. That doesn't take away the fact that he didn't create the headlines in the first place.
As I said, the story is actually 'students, part timers, and sole earners are using foodbanks'I don't disagree with that being the wider context.
However 1) specifics help bring the generic to light. We may expect some V low earners to require help. But how bad has the world got of some nurses need help.
2) it's being used to help understand the need for an inflationary payrise.
3) which is in the government gift. Hence Anderson steaming on with distraction techniques.
Arguably the headlines are being created because of HMG approach to NHS staff pay.
As before, I agree newspapers, unions and MPs have agendas. Could some articles be clearer. Yes.
Is Anderson muddying the waters by his question. Yes.
Which approach will help the wider issue of students, part timers and sole earners needing food banks?
If that is your concern, Anderson is seeking to minimise your cause by throwing out strawmen.
If your concern is simply having the whole picture presented from a purist pov, Anderson hasnt added to highlighting the whole truth. He's added shade. He didn't create the headline. But also he's not doughty to address it and correct it either. He's used the ambiguity too create an odd straw man. I wonder what his motivation is.
I missed your question in the middle of that.
Which approach will help. I'd genuinely like to explore UBI. I understand it'll be expensive, but health, including mental, stress etc is too important for anyonethat's a different thread. I meant more which approach of the newspaper focusing on nurses verus Anderson stawmaning would have more benefit to the wider good. As I sensed part of your frustration was with ten focus on nurses rathwr than that many other people are also in financial hardship.
I think part of the problem here is the initial reporting. If the press focused more on the overall picture then Anderson wouldn't have a leg to stand on. As it happens, they didn't, he is then questioned and gives his answer. Right or wrong, the focus is in the wrong place to begin with"imo he doesn't have a leg go stand on today. Hence it being a stawman. I do agree that the reporting has given him just enough space for him to twist the topic to his advantage. But that shouldn't mean we should let him off from strawmaning. There's a hint of "victim blaming" here which is giving his position credence imo. Or at least, I worry, allowing him to get the ends I suspect he is after. It's similar to him saying how he has someone in his staff who is paid less than 30k and goes on holiday. When she was single, noniids, and living at a property her dad owns. Noone is saying everyone under 30k is struggling. And even if you were super clear who you meant he pull out the 30p meal idea out. | |||
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"No mention on news about ex labour mp= 4 years prison for fraud?" all over BBC & LBC news bulletins maybe its because corbyn removed him from the party as soon as his fraud came to light years ago and condemned his behavior. unlike sunak who backed his fraudulent ex chancellor untill he was forced to sack him rather takes the sting out of the story doesent it | |||
"No mention on news about ex labour mp= 4 years prison for fraud?" Why would we mention him on a thread about Lee Anderson?? Btw, he should have got 10 years | |||
"No mention on news about ex labour mp= 4 years prison for fraud?" This isn't the thread for it. Start one but I'm not sure you'll have many people to debate with. | |||
"He is not afraid to open his mouth which will always upset someone. Listening to his radio interview he threw down the gauntlet and said, go find me a nurse or firefighter on 35K a year who is using food banks, he then went on to say I will give you a year to find them. Is he right, is he wrong? Whatever the outcome I can see why some loathe him and others love him, he is polarising and confusing. what point is he addressing by this tho ? Is this a direct position of somebody. Or is he taking two statements 1) some nurses are using food banks and 2) the average pay is 35k To imply There are nurses on 35k on food banks I haven't listened to it but I'd imagine it's because the RCN and shouting about nurses having to use foodbanks. The average nurses salary is 35k and they argue if you can't live on 35k then you need to learn to budget.that's a non sequitur then. Unless one is saying the average nurse is using a food bank. But you see, the headlines read 'NURSES USING FOODBANKS' Here's a quote form Matthew Tovey, a nurse and spokesperson for the campaign group NHS Say No. "Some people the food banks typically see are student nurses, nurses working part-time, nurses being the sole earner" Nurses are using food banks , which is a disgrace Did you bother to read the quote? That's exactly the type of headline we're seeing without any context. Nurses are using food banks , the headline didn’t say ‘, All nurses are using foodbanks’ wether they are students, single parents or working part time is irrelevant , it’s a disgrace
It's not irrelevant.
Providing headlines without context is exactly why the shitshow that is Brexit happened.
You're the first one to complain when it's 'the right' doing the very thing you're doing now.
‘Nurses are using food banks ‘, nurses are using food banks, disgraceful
Hypocrisy at its finest
Are ‘nurses using food banks’ ?
Are 'foreigners sending money out of the country'?they are.
Although I'm slightly unclear how this is that different to me spending money on holiday or someone spending their pension in France. So I am comfortable that not all money earnt in the UK is spent in the UK. Provided it's taxed etc.
I'm not comfortable with some nurses requiring food banks. Something is going wrong there. It may be lack of basis fin ed at school or we underpay them.
I'm not happy with MPs making a strawman arguement to minimise and almost ridicule the issue.
That minimisation is more concerning than others over egging the issue. Because issues like this aren't symmetrical.
You've added context to the headline. That's all I've been saying, headlines without context are ridiculous but tbh I'm not sure why I'm surprised from the poster.
Headlines without context aren't good for anyone, they just polarise.
which is exactley what they are meant to do hence daily mail express etc running large polarising headlines which when you read the story beneath bear little or no resemblance to the headline but its the headline most remember
This is exactly what people like Anderson are doing when they say things like "go find me a nurse or firefighter on 35K a year who is using food banks".
It's designed to remove context and shift the conversation away from the real topic which is nurses and firefighters on below this average being forced to use food banks.
Is it?
Isn't he actually responding to headlines rather than creating them?
There is no context in the original headline, which is 'nurses are being forced to use foodbanks'.
Read the following and tell me which nurses are using foodbanks:
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/business/2023/jan/08/nhs-trusts-hospitals-food-banks-for-staff-nurses
I'm going to say that it's a the thousands of NHS staff (including nurses) who cannot afford basic loving costs.
But let's also note the headlines is
Half of NHS trusts providing or planning food banks for staff
Which provides a lot of information as demanded. It's not just
NHS trusts providing or planning food banks for staff
But again, for headlines provided all the information. No, that's not their purpose even before you get to any commercial angles.
But I'd not come away from that article and think the average nurse is using food banks.
IMO in the scheme of trying to mislead, Anderson is clearly winning.
I can't recall the whole thread, but have you commented on whether his statement was misleading, and compared the degrees and impact of any being misleading ? Can you remind me of your postion?
That was just one article I grabbed tbh, there's plenty more where it also doesn't give a full picture.
Maybe you didn't read my follow up on what the headlines should be. He didn't create the headlines, the headlines were created and he's responding.
Who is he misleading by asking the question he asked?maybe we should reframe it. If noone can find a nurses on 35k who is using food banks then what does that show ....
We can reframe it all you like. That doesn't take away the fact that he didn't create the headlines in the first place.
As I said, the story is actually 'students, part timers, and sole earners are using foodbanks'I don't disagree with that being the wider context.
However 1) specifics help bring the generic to light. We may expect some V low earners to require help. But how bad has the world got of some nurses need help.
2) it's being used to help understand the need for an inflationary payrise.
3) which is in the government gift. Hence Anderson steaming on with distraction techniques.
Arguably the headlines are being created because of HMG approach to NHS staff pay.
As before, I agree newspapers, unions and MPs have agendas. Could some articles be clearer. Yes.
Is Anderson muddying the waters by his question. Yes.
Which approach will help the wider issue of students, part timers and sole earners needing food banks?
If that is your concern, Anderson is seeking to minimise your cause by throwing out strawmen.
If your concern is simply having the whole picture presented from a purist pov, Anderson hasnt added to highlighting the whole truth. He's added shade. He didn't create the headline. But also he's not doughty to address it and correct it either. He's used the ambiguity too create an odd straw man. I wonder what his motivation is.
I missed your question in the middle of that.
Which approach will help. I'd genuinely like to explore UBI. I understand it'll be expensive, but health, including mental, stress etc is too important for anyonethat's a different thread. I meant more which approach of the newspaper focusing on nurses verus Anderson stawmaning would have more benefit to the wider good. As I sensed part of your frustration was with ten focus on nurses rathwr than that many other people are also in financial hardship.
I think part of the problem here is the initial reporting. If the press focused more on the overall picture then Anderson wouldn't have a leg to stand on. As it happens, they didn't, he is then questioned and gives his answer. Right or wrong, the focus is in the wrong place to begin withimo he doesn't have a leg go stand on today. Hence it being a stawman.
I do agree that the reporting has given him just enough space for him to twist the topic to his advantage.
But that shouldn't mean we should let him off from strawmaning. There's a hint of "victim blaming" here which is giving his position credence imo. Or at least, I worry, allowing him to get the ends I suspect he is after.
It's similar to him saying how he has someone in his staff who is paid less than 30k and goes on holiday. When she was single, noniids, and living at a property her dad owns.
Noone is saying everyone under 30k is struggling.
And even if you were super clear who you meant he pull out the 30p meal idea out. "Most of that is about his character and what else he's said. I agree with most of it. Maybe I just think the 'headline' should have some context added to it. Or maybe I just get frustrated when certain posters ask for context when it's 'the right' that are printing headlines and the sheer hypocrisy to completely ignore it when 'the left' does it. | |||
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