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3 years since Brexit. How's it going?

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

It's now been 3 years since Brexit. How do you all think it's going?

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By *exy_HornyCouple over a year ago

Leigh

"It's now been 3 years since Brexit. How do you all think it's going?"

Badly, mainly because the Whitehall / Civil Service blob is full of leftie, wokie remoaners who thwart every attempt to make Brexit a success.

Parliament is also infested by the same type of people so the political will to drive change is also not there.

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By *riendly older leggy wifeCouple over a year ago

london

"It's now been 3 years since Brexit. How do you all think it's going?

Badly, mainly because the Whitehall / Civil Service blob is full of leftie, wokie remoaners who thwart every attempt to make Brexit a success.

Parliament is also infested by the same type of people so the political will to drive change is also not there."

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By *irldnCouple over a year ago

Brighton

"It's now been 3 years since Brexit. How do you all think it's going?

Badly, mainly because the Whitehall / Civil Service blob is full of leftie, wokie remoaners who thwart every attempt to make Brexit a success.

Parliament is also infested by the same type of people so the political will to drive change is also not there."

Sorry absolutely no offence meant but that narrative is utter tosh and you have been taken in by it. Ask 10 brexiters what a successful brexit looks like and you will get 10 answers. Nobody knew what they wanted or if it was even possible.

The Civil Service is there to enact the requirements of the Government of the day. Part of their remit is to undertake due diligence and impact assessments to ensure that ministerial and Cabinet decisions are taken in the full understanding of what that will mean.

Just look at this extract from the super left leaning, hugely woke, EU supporting The Telegraph...

“Brexit is costing the UK's economy £100bn a year as the way the split from the EU has been implemented leaves companies struggling to attract investment and hire workers.

On the third anniversary of Britain leaving the bloc, the nation’s economy is 4pc smaller than it might have been according to analysis by Bloomberg Economics.

Business investment in the UK has grown 19pc less than the average across G7 economies, it showed.

Economists Ana Andrade and Dan Hanson said: "Did the UK commit an act of economic self-harm when it voted to leave the EU in 2016? The evidence so far still suggests it did.

"The main takeaway is that the rupture from the single market may have impacted the British economy faster than we, or most other forecasters, expected."

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"It's now been 3 years since Brexit. How do you all think it's going?

Badly, mainly because the Whitehall / Civil Service blob is full of leftie, wokie remoaners who thwart every attempt to make Brexit a success.

Parliament is also infested by the same type of people so the political will to drive change is also not there."

Yup it must all be the fault of them leftie wokies, as you say. What other reason could there possibly be for Brexit turning out to be a pile of shit?

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

We're gonna see a lot of excuses like the 1 above, aren't we? Since Brexit has produced none of the benefits that were promised before the referendum. All that's left is for certain figures/media to try to blame others for the failure of Brexit.

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By *oo hotCouple over a year ago

North West

"It's now been 3 years since Brexit. How do you all think it's going?

Badly, mainly because the Whitehall / Civil Service blob is full of leftie, wokie remoaners who thwart every attempt to make Brexit a success.

Parliament is also infested by the same type of people so the political will to drive change is also not there."

What should be done to make Brexit a success? And importantly what is being prevented from happening considering the Govt have close to an 80 seat majority?

Some extremists want the repealing and reforming of employment protection laws, environmental protection laws and literally everything that provides protections for ordinary people - is it stuff like that you want?

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By *exy_HornyCouple over a year ago

Leigh

Replying to various posts above.

No negotiation is successful unless the parties believe the other party is serious. So, given that it was fairly obvious that the EU would try their best to punish the UK for leaving (in order to prevent anyone else thinking about it) we should have been preparing properly to leave from the moment the referendum results were known, if not before.

As it was, our negotiating position was weak because the people negotiating didn't believe in what they were doing and didn't really want to leave.

The general consensus in government and the Civil Service seems to have been to keep as aligned as possible with a view to going back (or just ignoring the issue). This has left us nearly 8 years after the referendum still hamstrung by EU rules but having not realised any opportunities there may have been to benefit. We are therefore much worse off, instead of being roughly equal to having stayed in the EU.

This is, as I said, due to both the Civil Service and the lack of political will in government.

So now the repealing of EU laws will be rushed in a few months, not the years we have wasted doing nothing.

Notwithstanding the above, I maintain that a Europe-wide common market is a good thing - if it was still that I think we would still be members. Movement of goods, services and people should be easy within that market as it benefits most of the citizens.

However, that is not what the EU had become. Other nations wanted it as a political beast, possibly to feed their greed on the pretext of keeping the peace. Others just wanted it to fund their projects. The EU parliament, courts and financial mechanisms are not necessary. There is no such thing as "EU Money" for projects, it all comes from the net contributors to the budget.

The best outcome would have been for David Cameron to go asking for the small changes the general public wanted, and for the rest of the EU to listen and give him something to come back with. As it was, he went and half-heartedly chatted to them and they just laughed at him, not believing that he would hold a referendum (and if he did, not believing he would lose).

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By *oo hotCouple over a year ago

North West

"Replying to various posts above.

As it was, our negotiating position was weak because the people negotiating didn't believe in what they were doing and didn't really want to leave.

This is, as I said, due to both the Civil Service and the lack of political will in government.

So now the repealing of EU laws will be rushed in a few months, not the years we have wasted doing nothing.

Have you ever thought about adopting the absolute contrary opinion to the opinion that you hold in order to formulate a pragmatic and reasoned point of view?

Your entire argument above is based purely on an opinion that has been formed through confirmation bias.

For example, your argument revolves around other people for frustrating Brexit when the people who “won” Brexit and got an 80-seat majority on the back of it have been in the driving seat for the last six years. Your assertion that “given that it was fairly obvious that the EU would try their best to punish the UK for leaving” is just not factual and just because you believed that in 2016 doesn’t mean that you should believe it now. The U.K. had a strong and committed negotiating team led by David Frost who wanted (and succeeded) in taking us away from common regulations and therefore the customs Union and the Single Market.

It was this very decision that has put us now in a bad place and we still are unable to enact our border responsibilities as negotiated freely and openly by David Frost because in doing so, the economic damage would ramp up even more.

I don’t know why you are itching for the bonfire of EU regulations later in the year because the result of that will simply be a catalyst for more economic harm and every credible economist has said the same thing. The regulations in question revolve around working rights, food and agriculture standards as well as environmental regulations. These are the regulations that the U.K. were instrumental in creating and willingly adopting over decades.

Brexit is not what you wanted simply because it is a turd, not because of anything that anyone has done (or not done) in the last six years.

It is only a matter of time until common sense replaces ideology and fantasy. I don’t think that the conversation about joining the EU should be happening anytime soon, but removing the self-imposed restrictions on trade has to happen quite quickly. We have to accept that we never held all the cards and that having a trade deal that is beneficial to us invariably means compromises in other areas.

PS -As for Cameron getting crumbs he got almost everything he asked for, albeit with compromises here are there over timelines. Unfortunately, Farage and the right wing press already smelled a fight and it would have been irrelevant what he brought back.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"It's now been 3 years since Brexit. How do you all think it's going?

Badly, mainly because the Whitehall / Civil Service blob is full of leftie, wokie remoaners who thwart every attempt to make Brexit a success.

Parliament is also infested by the same type of people so the political will to drive change is also not there."

So you haven’t got the Brexit you voted for?

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"It's now been 3 years since Brexit. How do you all think it's going?

Badly, mainly because the Whitehall / Civil Service blob is full of leftie, wokie remoaners who thwart every attempt to make Brexit a success.

Parliament is also infested by the same type of people so the political will to drive change is also not there.

So you haven’t got the Brexit you voted for? "

There is a distinct lack of unicorns, isn't there?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Smashing great job good money no undercut from imported workers less immigrants hanging around pestering on a weekend life for us great understand for others it isn't but always winners and losers.

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By *uddy laneMan over a year ago

dudley

"It's now been 3 years since Brexit. How do you all think it's going?"

Rants raves and comedy gold.

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"Smashing great job good money no undercut from imported workers less immigrants hanging around pestering on a weekend life for us great understand for others it isn't but always winners and losers."

You reckon there might be any issue with the country taking huge economic damage from Brexit? Or the country lacking essential workers in eg the NHS? Or will it be sunshine and rainbows for you forever?

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By *oo hotCouple over a year ago

North West

"Smashing great job good money no undercut from imported workers less immigrants hanging around pestering on a weekend life for us great understand for others it isn't but always winners and losers."

I’m alright Jack.

Fuck my neighbours and fuck my country.

Or summat

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple over a year ago

in Lancashire

Badly..

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By *astandFeistyCouple over a year ago

Bournemouth

"Smashing great job good money no undercut from imported workers less immigrants hanging around pestering on a weekend life for us great understand for others it isn't but always winners and losers.

I’m alright Jack.

Fuck my neighbours and fuck my country.

Or summat "

He's in the minority on here but he only answered the question according to his own affects.

It's not healthy to be so angry at someone who sees it differently to you

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By *rvineguy79Man over a year ago

Kilwinning

Its time to move on, we left the EU that's not going to change anytime soon, all of these silly post about it are just useless. Time to grow up and move on

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By *irldnCouple over a year ago

Brighton

"Its time to move on, we left the EU that's not going to change anytime soon, all of these silly post about it are just useless. Time to grow up and move on"

That would be easier if people who still try to defend the giant steaming brexit turd did not use such infantile and fantasy based arguments. Personally I don’t think we should or can move on until something is done that can salvage something remotely decent for the UK out of this turgid mess. Everybody makes mistakes or gets things wrong from time-to-time. The people with courage are those who can admit it and own it and then look for pragmatic ways to rectify their mistakes. THAT is being grown up!

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By *ools and the brainCouple over a year ago

couple, us we him her.

Well I don't think constantly going on about how much of a failure it is, isn't going to help anyone.

What's done is done unless you can think of a way to persuade the EU to let us come back cap in hand and eat humble pie?

Some constructive comments about how to get out of this mess with a reasoned discussion is far more preferred than finger pointing and name calling.

Fact is what's done is done the Tory party are far too stubborn and arrogant to admit that it's a complete fucking mess.

Labour realise that if they get in any deal brokered would leave us pretty much bottom of the EU pile.

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By *astandFeistyCouple over a year ago

Bournemouth

"Well I don't think constantly going on about how much of a failure it is, isn't going to help anyone.

What's done is done unless you can think of a way to persuade the EU to let us come back cap in hand and eat humble pie?

Some constructive comments about how to get out of this mess with a reasoned discussion is far more preferred than finger pointing and name calling.

Fact is what's done is done the Tory party are far too stubborn and arrogant to admit that it's a complete fucking mess.

Labour realise that if they get in any deal brokered would leave us pretty much bottom of the EU pile.

You're wasting your time. I've been saying this for at least 2 years, nothings changed.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Good thanks but could be better if we dumped the echr.

Then we would be free.

We've saved money, our fishing quota is up and we are free from eu commissioners making our laws.

How's it going for you?

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"Good thanks but could be better if we dumped the echr.

Then we would be free.

We've saved money, our fishing quota is up and we are free from eu commissioners making our laws.

How's it going for you?"

We've saved money by leaving the EU?

Hahahahahaha

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By *ove2pleaseseukMan over a year ago

Hastings

For me Brexit is just bitting.

And it will be hard wages are going up as there is no cheaper labour coming in. Yes we will all pay more for everything but if we consume less that has to be good in someway.

And if wages can rise to get people off benifit and in to work or education that has to be good.

Everything one talks of GDP not up but can everything grow forever. The population can't it's doubled in the UK over the last 100 years that can't just cary on.

OR CAN IT?

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By *asyukMan over a year ago

West London

"Well I don't think constantly going on about how much of a failure it is, isn't going to help anyone.

What's done is done unless you can think of a way to persuade the EU to let us come back cap in hand and eat humble pie?

Some constructive comments about how to get out of this mess with a reasoned discussion is far more preferred than finger pointing and name calling.

Fact is what's done is done the Tory party are far too stubborn and arrogant to admit that it's a complete fucking mess.

Labour realise that if they get in any deal brokered would leave us pretty much bottom of the EU pile.

You're wasting your time. I've been saying this for at least 2 years, nothings changed."

I would say pay to join EFTA. Suck up having no say over the regulations and allow companies to get back to reading without added bureaucracy.

Over time, as a large economy and with some pragmatism we may still be able to world some unofficial influence.

What constructive ideas do you have, as you do post on the threads that you complain about?

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By *asyukMan over a year ago

West London

"It's now been 3 years since Brexit. How do you all think it's going?"

I don't know what the purpose of Brexit is or was.

If it was to leave the EU then it has succeeded 75% as we still have the NI protocol to negotiate.

If it was to achieve something else then 0% because there are no success criteria to meet.

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"It's now been 3 years since Brexit. How do you all think it's going?

I don't know what the purpose of Brexit is or was.

If it was to leave the EU then it has succeeded 75% as we still have the NI protocol to negotiate.

If it was to achieve something else then 0% because there are no success criteria to meet."

If the purpose of Brexit was to screw over the people of this country: great success.

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By *asyukMan over a year ago

West London

"It's now been 3 years since Brexit. How do you all think it's going?

I don't know what the purpose of Brexit is or was.

If it was to leave the EU then it has succeeded 75% as we still have the NI protocol to negotiate.

If it was to achieve something else then 0% because there are no success criteria to meet.

If the purpose of Brexit was to screw over the people of this country: great success."

It may be a consequence of Brexit, but as I said, I have no idea what the real aim was. I don't believe anyone does beyond leaving the act of EU.

I don't think that there was ever a plan bit if there was it was not to "purpose of Brexit was to screw over the people of this country" I don't think that you believe that either.

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"It's now been 3 years since Brexit. How do you all think it's going?

I don't know what the purpose of Brexit is or was.

If it was to leave the EU then it has succeeded 75% as we still have the NI protocol to negotiate.

If it was to achieve something else then 0% because there are no success criteria to meet.

If the purpose of Brexit was to screw over the people of this country: great success.

It may be a consequence of Brexit, but as I said, I have no idea what the real aim was. I don't believe anyone does beyond leaving the act of EU.

I don't think that there was ever a plan bit if there was it was not to "purpose of Brexit was to screw over the people of this country" I don't think that you believe that either."

It was a pointed joke.

And I agree there was likely no plan. Just watch footage of Gove & Johnson at their victory speech. They looked utterly miserable. It was clear then they neither expected nor wanted to win the Brexit vote. So I have no doubt they had no plan for what came after.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"It's now been 3 years since Brexit. How do you all think it's going?

Badly, mainly because the Whitehall / Civil Service blob is full of leftie, wokie remoaners who thwart every attempt to make Brexit a success.

Parliament is also infested by the same type of people so the political will to drive change is also not there."

Yeah - i agree with that ..... it sure aint as bad as the remainers said it would be ....even with covid

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"It's now been 3 years since Brexit. How do you all think it's going?

Badly, mainly because the Whitehall / Civil Service blob is full of leftie, wokie remoaners who thwart every attempt to make Brexit a success.

Parliament is also infested by the same type of people so the political will to drive change is also not there.

Yeah - i agree with that ..... it sure aint as bad as the remainers said it would be ....even with covid "

It's been story after story of things fucked up by Brexit for years, alongside mounting economic damage. That's some serious ignoring you're doing there. V impressive.

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By *ove2pleaseseukMan over a year ago

Hastings

"It's now been 3 years since Brexit. How do you all think it's going?

Badly, mainly because the Whitehall / Civil Service blob is full of leftie, wokie remoaners who thwart every attempt to make Brexit a success.

Parliament is also infested by the same type of people so the political will to drive change is also not there.

Yeah - i agree with that ..... it sure aint as bad as the remainers said it would be ....even with covid "

I got a blue passport well happy and it dose not have EU on it

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By *oo hotCouple over a year ago

North West

"For me Brexit is just bitting.

And it will be hard wages are going up as there is no cheaper labour coming in. Yes we will all pay more for everything but if we consume less that has to be good in someway.

And if wages can rise to get people off benifit and in to work or education that has to be good.

Everything one talks of GDP not up but can everything grow forever. The population can't it's doubled in the UK over the last 100 years that can't just cary on.

OR CAN IT?"

There are only two ways that the country can support its own infrastructure. 1) Grow the economy and generate more tax revenue from the same (or even lower) taxes. 2) increase taxes.

We are currently facing the highest tax burden for 70 years and we just found out that borrowing last year (2022) reached an all-time high. Recent IMF projections which are in line with OBR projections suggest that the U.K. economy will be stifled more than any other developed nation in the coming years. The OBR has suggested that Brexit is costing the economy £40 billion per year.

So where are tax revenues going to come from to even maintain infrastructure around the country notwithstanding the fact that virtually all public sector workers are striking for higher salaries.

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By *exy_HornyCouple over a year ago

Leigh

"For me Brexit is just bitting.

And it will be hard wages are going up as there is no cheaper labour coming in. Yes we will all pay more for everything but if we consume less that has to be good in someway.

And if wages can rise to get people off benifit and in to work or education that has to be good.

Everything one talks of GDP not up but can everything grow forever. The population can't it's doubled in the UK over the last 100 years that can't just cary on.

OR CAN IT?

There are only two ways that the country can support its own infrastructure. 1) Grow the economy and generate more tax revenue from the same (or even lower) taxes. 2) increase taxes.

So where are tax revenues going to come from to even maintain infrastructure around the country notwithstanding the fact that virtually all public sector workers are striking for higher salaries."

The third option, which is the real answer, is to spend money more efficiently.

Stop the criminal waste and inefficiency and the problem is solved.

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By *irldnCouple over a year ago

Brighton

"Well I don't think constantly going on about how much of a failure it is, isn't going to help anyone.

What's done is done unless you can think of a way to persuade the EU to let us come back cap in hand and eat humble pie?

Some constructive comments about how to get out of this mess with a reasoned discussion is far more preferred than finger pointing and name calling.

Fact is what's done is done the Tory party are far too stubborn and arrogant to admit that it's a complete fucking mess.

Labour realise that if they get in any deal brokered would leave us pretty much bottom of the EU pile.

On the surface this post seems very reasonable. I have visions of Harry Enfield as the Scouser saying “calm down calm down”. However, until people are prepared to actually admit that Brexit is a turd and the majority of those who voted for it made a mistake, there is no way of moving forward. A small number of people have done well out of Brexit. For some of those it will be short lives (wage rises). For the majority it has hit us in our pockets and exacerbated the impacts of the pandemic, war in Ukraine and energy prices.

To be able to move on it requires people who “lost” to passively accept the hit to living standards and the apparent need by the UK govt to impose austerity 2.0 (because that £40bn a year every year reduction in tax revenues needs to be found from somewhere).

We were promised sunlit uplands and brexit benefits. Where are they? If they were starting to be seen I am sure brexiters would be pointing at remainers saying “see you didn’t listen/believe us”. Where’s the £350m a week for the NHS?

Back in 2016 the Remain camp made some big claims/warnings that made more moderate remainers roll their eyes. Remember Cameron and Osborne claiming leaving the EU could lead to war in Europe. We scoffed and thought “you’ve gone too far and lost the argument!”

Ukraine!

Don’t try and claim it isn’t connected. Russia interfered with the referendum. Putin wanted to weaken and distract the EU so he could further his own ambitions.

For remainers to stop talking about the Brexit failure it needs to be a success because that is what we were promised and that is what leave voters voted for right? Or did people vote to be poorer and have reduced ability to trade, travel or live with our nearest neighbours?

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By *oo hotCouple over a year ago

North West

"For me Brexit is just bitting.

And it will be hard wages are going up as there is no cheaper labour coming in. Yes we will all pay more for everything but if we consume less that has to be good in someway.

And if wages can rise to get people off benifit and in to work or education that has to be good.

Everything one talks of GDP not up but can everything grow forever. The population can't it's doubled in the UK over the last 100 years that can't just cary on.

OR CAN IT?

There are only two ways that the country can support its own infrastructure. 1) Grow the economy and generate more tax revenue from the same (or even lower) taxes. 2) increase taxes.

So where are tax revenues going to come from to even maintain infrastructure around the country notwithstanding the fact that virtually all public sector workers are striking for higher salaries.

The third option, which is the real answer, is to spend money more efficiently.

Stop the criminal waste and inefficiency and the problem is solved."

I agree that tens if not hundreds of £billions have been wasted by this Conservative Government. But the general principle still applies. Money for day to day infrastructure can come from one of only two ways - increased growth or increased taxes.

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By *irldnCouple over a year ago

Brighton

"For me Brexit is just bitting.

And it will be hard wages are going up as there is no cheaper labour coming in. Yes we will all pay more for everything but if we consume less that has to be good in someway.

And if wages can rise to get people off benifit and in to work or education that has to be good.

Everything one talks of GDP not up but can everything grow forever. The population can't it's doubled in the UK over the last 100 years that can't just cary on.

OR CAN IT?

There are only two ways that the country can support its own infrastructure. 1) Grow the economy and generate more tax revenue from the same (or even lower) taxes. 2) increase taxes.

So where are tax revenues going to come from to even maintain infrastructure around the country notwithstanding the fact that virtually all public sector workers are striking for higher salaries.

The third option, which is the real answer, is to spend money more efficiently.

Stop the criminal waste and inefficiency and the problem is solved."

The only reason the UK has the government it does is because of Boris “get brexit done” Johnski the Russian shill. The most corrupt self serving thieving govt in history.