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"This poll will change just as the referendum itself was no more than a transient opinion based on some truths, some lies, perceptions, emotions and almost nothing to do with membership of the EU. All the vocal Brexit supporters have nothing to say anywhere. They have won permanently though. There are no acceptable terms which we will be offered under which we will rejoin the EU. We had a deal that was unfair, in our favour. That will not be offered again and we won't accept anything less. So, the best outcome is we join the European Free Trade Association, for which we will pay without any ability to influence the rules which we used to make. We own our hubris." I know why you are wording it thus but I will never accept that “we” statement. It was not what I voted for and it was not in my name. Anyone claiming I do not accept democracy can: 1. Release the Russia Report to demonstrate no Russian interference. 2. Show me why an advisory referendum became a law to be enacted. 3. Explain why having voted to Leave the UK public were not then also given the opportunity to vote on our preferred future relationship with the EU. | |||
"This poll will change just as the referendum itself was no more than a transient opinion based on some truths, some lies, perceptions, emotions and almost nothing to do with membership of the EU. All the vocal Brexit supporters have nothing to say anywhere. They have won permanently though. There are no acceptable terms which we will be offered under which we will rejoin the EU. We had a deal that was unfair, in our favour. That will not be offered again and we won't accept anything less. So, the best outcome is we join the European Free Trade Association, for which we will pay without any ability to influence the rules which we used to make. We own our hubris. I know why you are wording it thus but I will never accept that “we” statement. It was not what I voted for and it was not in my name. Anyone claiming I do not accept democracy can: 1. Release the Russia Report to demonstrate no Russian interference. 2. Show me why an advisory referendum became a law to be enacted. 3. Explain why having voted to Leave the UK public were not then also given the opportunity to vote on our preferred future relationship with the EU." You are actually asking for true and open democracy but unfortunately that doesn’t fit in the neoliberal agenda. Our own MP’s peddled what they definitely knew to be lies which in itself shows us the horrendous state of our democracy. Unless the parliamentary system is completely purged of its corrupt approach and we return to the notion of an MP serving his constituents and country, then I think our further demise into an also ran state is inevitable. | |||
"This poll will change just as the referendum itself was no more than a transient opinion based on some truths, some lies, perceptions, emotions and almost nothing to do with membership of the EU. All the vocal Brexit supporters have nothing to say anywhere. They have won permanently though. There are no acceptable terms which we will be offered under which we will rejoin the EU. We had a deal that was unfair, in our favour. That will not be offered again and we won't accept anything less. So, the best outcome is we join the European Free Trade Association, for which we will pay without any ability to influence the rules which we used to make. We own our hubris. I know why you are wording it thus but I will never accept that “we” statement. It was not what I voted for and it was not in my name. Anyone claiming I do not accept democracy can: 1. Release the Russia Report to demonstrate no Russian interference. 2. Show me why an advisory referendum became a law to be enacted. 3. Explain why having voted to Leave the UK public were not then also given the opportunity to vote on our preferred future relationship with the EU." 1. To what extent do you think Russia was able to interfere? 2. Advisory, yes. However, in 2015, we had a general election in which the Conservatives won a majority and UKIP won a significant chunk of the vote. Out of that came the referendum, in which politicians from all sides agreed to abide by the result. Leave won, in comes Theresa May. She triggers A50 and we have an election in which both main parties argue for brexit, albeit in different versions. A majority of seats and votes go to them. It should have been clear in 2017 that brexit was absolutely inevitable. 3. We were given that chance. We had two general elections. | |||
"2. Show me why an advisory referendum became a law to be enacted." I really don't understand this argument. The referendum bill didn't explicitly say that the result would become law, but plenty of politicians said that they would follow the result. How long do you think any government would last if they asked the populace their opinion, and then just ignored it? And all that comes before you consider that we had a subsequent general election in which the parties laid out their plans on the matter, and the party that was planning Brexit got elected. You can blame Russia, lies, propaganda, racism, ignorance, and all kinds of other things, but arguing that the referendum was only advisory is disingenuous and irrelevant. | |||
" 2. Show me why an advisory referendum became a law to be enacted. 3. Explain why having voted to Leave the UK public were not then also given the opportunity to vote on our preferred future relationship with the EU." 2. This was to allow both leave campaigns to be illegally funded, and for the result to stand, in the event of a binding referendum, the result is voided if the official campaign acts illegally. 3. Why would they? Leaving the EU wasn't for our benefit, and giving us an option to pick a less damaging version of brexit wouldn't help those at the top get what they wanted. | |||
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"If 63% support 're joining the EU then the rejoin party will do very well indeed at the next GE" I don't think so. There are probably a lot of other important things to vote for. Parties that campaign on only one issue, such as UKIP, don't do very well in general elections. | |||
"If 63% support 're joining the EU then the rejoin party will do very well indeed at the next GE I don't think so. There are probably a lot of other important things to vote for. Parties that campaign on only one issue, such as UKIP, don't do very well in general elections. " You are correct, but when parties start to see a loss in vote share to parties like UKIP, they tend to mirror to pull back the voters. | |||
"How do we know that 63% want to re join? 63% of who? The UK or people asked? I know I haven’t been asked to vote on this " if you ask 1000 random people the same question and 630 of them responded that they wanted to rejoin the EU, it is very plausible that it is a reflection of the nation as whole. Out of interest how would have responded, seeing nobody asked you  | |||
"If 63% support 're joining the EU then the rejoin party will do very well indeed at the next GE I don't think so. There are probably a lot of other important things to vote for. Parties that campaign on only one issue, such as UKIP, don't do very well in general elections. You are correct, but when parties start to see a loss in vote share to parties like UKIP, they tend to mirror to pull back the voters." Yes definitely. That's the main purpose to vote for the smaller parties. | |||
"How do we know that 63% want to re join? 63% of who? The UK or people asked? I know I haven’t been asked to vote on this " It's called a survey. If they invited The entire country to select an option through an official measure, that would be a referendum. | |||
"If 63% support 're joining the EU then the rejoin party will do very well indeed at the next GE I don't think so. There are probably a lot of other important things to vote for. Parties that campaign on only one issue, such as UKIP, don't do very well in general elections. " There are many important things but most would be helped by a good economy. If they are correct that being in the EU is good for the economy then it should be the overriding issue. Personally I thought UKIP did do well in the GE's but our FPTP voting system prevented them getting the seats to reflect the votes. The green party had a similar experience. If 63% is correct it should show up in votes even if not in seats | |||
"If 63% support 're joining the EU then the rejoin party will do very well indeed at the next GE I don't think so. There are probably a lot of other important things to vote for. Parties that campaign on only one issue, such as UKIP, don't do very well in general elections. There are many important things but most would be helped by a good economy. If they are correct that being in the EU is good for the economy then it should be the overriding issue. Personally I thought UKIP did do well in the GE's but our FPTP voting system prevented them getting the seats to reflect the votes. The green party had a similar experience. If 63% is correct it should show up in votes even if not in seats" Maybe. Do all these people think that rejoining the EU will undo all the damage done by brexit? I suspect very few people would think it's that simple. There are other factors effecting the economy and British life. Rejoining the EU, in a lower capacity than we had before, would not solve all the problems. A comprehensive plan is needed that would look at all aspects. To be honest, I would be happy whoever it is, as long as they even vaguely consider what would be of benefit to the country instead of the bunch of self serving, tax dodging narcissists we have now. | |||
"If 63% support 're joining the EU then the rejoin party will do very well indeed at the next GE I don't think so. There are probably a lot of other important things to vote for. Parties that campaign on only one issue, such as UKIP, don't do very well in general elections. There are many important things but most would be helped by a good economy. If they are correct that being in the EU is good for the economy then it should be the overriding issue. Personally I thought UKIP did do well in the GE's but our FPTP voting system prevented them getting the seats to reflect the votes. The green party had a similar experience. If 63% is correct it should show up in votes even if not in seats Maybe. Do all these people think that rejoining the EU will undo all the damage done by brexit? I suspect very few people would think it's that simple. There are other factors effecting the economy and British life. Rejoining the EU, in a lower capacity than we had before, would not solve all the problems. A comprehensive plan is needed that would look at all aspects. To be honest, I would be happy whoever it is, as long as they even vaguely consider what would be of benefit to the country instead of the bunch of self serving, tax dodging narcissists we have now. " Why would they not think that rejoining the EU would solve all of our problems? They thought that leaving the EU would solve all of our problems. | |||
"If 63% support 're joining the EU then the rejoin party will do very well indeed at the next GE I don't think so. There are probably a lot of other important things to vote for. Parties that campaign on only one issue, such as UKIP, don't do very well in general elections. There are many important things but most would be helped by a good economy. If they are correct that being in the EU is good for the economy then it should be the overriding issue. Personally I thought UKIP did do well in the GE's but our FPTP voting system prevented them getting the seats to reflect the votes. The green party had a similar experience. If 63% is correct it should show up in votes even if not in seats Maybe. Do all these people think that rejoining the EU will undo all the damage done by brexit? I suspect very few people would think it's that simple. There are other factors effecting the economy and British life. Rejoining the EU, in a lower capacity than we had before, would not solve all the problems. A comprehensive plan is needed that would look at all aspects. To be honest, I would be happy whoever it is, as long as they even vaguely consider what would be of benefit to the country instead of the bunch of self serving, tax dodging narcissists we have now. Why would they not think that rejoining the EU would solve all of our problems? They thought that leaving the EU would solve all of our problems." I would be really interested in understanding why someone who voted leave would now vote to remain/ rejoin. I’m sure the answer would not be solve all our problems, I’m so curious and would love to know what changed their minds | |||
"This poll will change just as the referendum itself was no more than a transient opinion based on some truths, some lies, perceptions, emotions and almost nothing to do with membership of the EU. All the vocal Brexit supporters have nothing to say anywhere. They have won permanently though. There are no acceptable terms which we will be offered under which we will rejoin the EU. We had a deal that was unfair, in our favour. That will not be offered again and we won't accept anything less. So, the best outcome is we join the European Free Trade Association, for which we will pay without any ability to influence the rules which we used to make. We own our hubris. I know why you are wording it thus but I will never accept that “we” statement. It was not what I voted for and it was not in my name. Anyone claiming I do not accept democracy can: 1. Release the Russia Report to demonstrate no Russian interference. 2. Show me why an advisory referendum became a law to be enacted. 3. Explain why having voted to Leave the UK public were not then also given the opportunity to vote on our preferred future relationship with the EU." I worded it that way because as a democracy we accept the results of elections otherwise; Trump and Republicans. We are where we are. 1. The Russia report should be released but all that does is underline the mood that already exists. 2+3. It wasn't necessary to act on an advisory referendum. However, Parliament decided to do so. There should have been a confirmation that we wanted what we negotiated. It didn't happen. We have got what we have got. This is all now academic. The consequences are permanent. We cannot reverse it. We can only make the best of it. | |||
"If 63% support 're joining the EU then the rejoin party will do very well indeed at the next GE I don't think so. There are probably a lot of other important things to vote for. Parties that campaign on only one issue, such as UKIP, don't do very well in general elections. There are many important things but most would be helped by a good economy. If they are correct that being in the EU is good for the economy then it should be the overriding issue. Personally I thought UKIP did do well in the GE's but our FPTP voting system prevented them getting the seats to reflect the votes. The green party had a similar experience. If 63% is correct it should show up in votes even if not in seats Maybe. Do all these people think that rejoining the EU will undo all the damage done by brexit? I suspect very few people would think it's that simple. There are other factors effecting the economy and British life. Rejoining the EU, in a lower capacity than we had before, would not solve all the problems. A comprehensive plan is needed that would look at all aspects. To be honest, I would be happy whoever it is, as long as they even vaguely consider what would be of benefit to the country instead of the bunch of self serving, tax dodging narcissists we have now. Why would they not think that rejoining the EU would solve all of our problems? They thought that leaving the EU would solve all of our problems. I would be really interested in understanding why someone who voted leave would now vote to remain/ rejoin. I’m sure the answer would not be solve all our problems, I’m so curious and would love to know what changed their minds" Possibly part of it is that leaving did not solve all of our problems as promised. They may well think that we can just go back to how things were. That's what happens when a complex set of circumstances is reduced to a simple question. | |||
"How very, very sad. The reason that this is very sad is that we will not be joining the EU again for a very, very long time. What kind of fickle nation are we that can be so effectively groomed and brainwashed by lies one minute and then suddenly wake up and cry foul when the going gets tough just a few years later? Kier Starmer was absolutely right to say that we are not going back into the EU and that Brexit is here to stay because in the main, it is not down to us whether we rejoin or not. I don’t imagine that any of our near neighbours fancy sharing a platform with UKIP types again any time soon and so we do have to just make the most of Brexit for at least the mid-term and until there is a very clear countrywide consensus that it is overwhelmingly what the country wants. Britain needed the to join the Common Market in the 1970’s and the reasons why are just as (if not more) relevant today than they were back then. Unfortunately being in the EU is not like a game of Hokey Cokey and I am sure that Brussels would want to see some nature, intelligent and grown-up debate coming from these Isles before they even consider any U.K. inclination to get back in the fold. In the meantime, we can all enjoy our glorious Brexit as tax revenues fall and the Conservatives plan a bonfire of employment and environmental all being conveniently wiped from the statute books later this year. " When was this poll I never got asked. | |||
"How very, very sad. The reason that this is very sad is that we will not be joining the EU again for a very, very long time. What kind of fickle nation are we that can be so effectively groomed and brainwashed by lies one minute and then suddenly wake up and cry foul when the going gets tough just a few years later? Kier Starmer was absolutely right to say that we are not going back into the EU and that Brexit is here to stay because in the main, it is not down to us whether we rejoin or not. I don’t imagine that any of our near neighbours fancy sharing a platform with UKIP types again any time soon and so we do have to just make the most of Brexit for at least the mid-term and until there is a very clear countrywide consensus that it is overwhelmingly what the country wants. Britain needed the to join the Common Market in the 1970’s and the reasons why are just as (if not more) relevant today than they were back then. Unfortunately being in the EU is not like a game of Hokey Cokey and I am sure that Brussels would want to see some nature, intelligent and grown-up debate coming from these Isles before they even consider any U.K. inclination to get back in the fold. In the meantime, we can all enjoy our glorious Brexit as tax revenues fall and the Conservatives plan a bonfire of employment and environmental all being conveniently wiped from the statute books later this year. When was this poll I never got asked." Polls do not ask 100% of people. They ask smaller samples. | |||
"How very, very sad. The reason that this is very sad is that we will not be joining the EU again for a very, very long time. What kind of fickle nation are we that can be so effectively groomed and brainwashed by lies one minute and then suddenly wake up and cry foul when the going gets tough just a few years later? Kier Starmer was absolutely right to say that we are not going back into the EU and that Brexit is here to stay because in the main, it is not down to us whether we rejoin or not. I don’t imagine that any of our near neighbours fancy sharing a platform with UKIP types again any time soon and so we do have to just make the most of Brexit for at least the mid-term and until there is a very clear countrywide consensus that it is overwhelmingly what the country wants. Britain needed the to join the Common Market in the 1970’s and the reasons why are just as (if not more) relevant today than they were back then. Unfortunately being in the EU is not like a game of Hokey Cokey and I am sure that Brussels would want to see some nature, intelligent and grown-up debate coming from these Isles before they even consider any U.K. inclination to get back in the fold. In the meantime, we can all enjoy our glorious Brexit as tax revenues fall and the Conservatives plan a bonfire of employment and environmental all being conveniently wiped from the statute books later this year. When was this poll I never got asked. Polls do not ask 100% of people. They ask smaller samples. " Oh right, you know I have never been asked to be part of a poll. Not sure if I should make a complaint or just ignore them. | |||
"How very, very sad. The reason that this is very sad is that we will not be joining the EU again for a very, very long time. What kind of fickle nation are we that can be so effectively groomed and brainwashed by lies one minute and then suddenly wake up and cry foul when the going gets tough just a few years later? Kier Starmer was absolutely right to say that we are not going back into the EU and that Brexit is here to stay because in the main, it is not down to us whether we rejoin or not. I don’t imagine that any of our near neighbours fancy sharing a platform with UKIP types again any time soon and so we do have to just make the most of Brexit for at least the mid-term and until there is a very clear countrywide consensus that it is overwhelmingly what the country wants. Britain needed the to join the Common Market in the 1970’s and the reasons why are just as (if not more) relevant today than they were back then. Unfortunately being in the EU is not like a game of Hokey Cokey and I am sure that Brussels would want to see some nature, intelligent and grown-up debate coming from these Isles before they even consider any U.K. inclination to get back in the fold. In the meantime, we can all enjoy our glorious Brexit as tax revenues fall and the Conservatives plan a bonfire of employment and environmental all being conveniently wiped from the statute books later this year. When was this poll I never got asked. Polls do not ask 100% of people. They ask smaller samples. Oh right, you know I have never been asked to be part of a poll. Not sure if I should make a complaint or just ignore them." Sign up for yougov if you want. Or ignore them, or carry on complaining. All valid choices. | |||
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"Blame your greedy,crafty crooked politicians playing third world country politics just to enrich their personal pockets.So how's things ever gona get any better with them in charge.its now a case of merry go round ,same characters with different tactics." We have the very real and tangible benefit of "having our country back". I don't know what "having our country back" means, but combined with the £350m per week that "could" go to the NHS providing such great results, what's not to like? | |||
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"If 63% support 're joining the EU then the rejoin party will do very well indeed at the next GE I don't think so. There are probably a lot of other important things to vote for. Parties that campaign on only one issue, such as UKIP, don't do very well in general elections. There are many important things but most would be helped by a good economy. If they are correct that being in the EU is good for the economy then it should be the overriding issue. Personally I thought UKIP did do well in the GE's but our FPTP voting system prevented them getting the seats to reflect the votes. The green party had a similar experience. If 63% is correct it should show up in votes even if not in seats Maybe. Do all these people think that rejoining the EU will undo all the damage done by brexit? I suspect very few people would think it's that simple. There are other factors effecting the economy and British life. Rejoining the EU, in a lower capacity than we had before, would not solve all the problems. A comprehensive plan is needed that would look at all aspects. To be honest, I would be happy whoever it is, as long as they even vaguely consider what would be of benefit to the country instead of the bunch of self serving, tax dodging narcissists we have now. " I don't know if these people have considered those points or not. Only those alleged 63% polled can answer that. If they still believe at the GE what they believe now and vote accordingly then the re join party should do well. If however they change their minds or this 63% figure is not accurate then the 're join party won't do so well | |||
"Oh yeah, let's rejoin that rat hole. Duhhhh!!!! An undemocratic vehicle for Germany hegemony. It's always a good idea to centralize power in one place where unelected commissioners make laws hahahaha. Please, gimme a break. Never happen. You'd have to adopt the euro which means your economy would be controlled by the germans because they set the interest rates. You couldn't trade outside the eu without their consent and support. They're constantly bullying Poland and Hungary for putting the nation first. Yeah let's rejoin those control freaks. Christ almighty, the blueprint was set out in 1941. The first president of the eec was a former nazi and lawyer from 1957 to 1968. They had a decade to lay down the blueprint before it became the EU. Ffs read people read. Look at the history books. Don't bother coming back at me europhile,I've heard your bs before. There is nothing,nothing,good about the EU. A sinister vanity project by the elites to control us little people and replace the nation state with an undemocratic union. The French love it because they think they will divi up power with the krauts, the south love it cause the live off the money from the north and east love it for the same reason. Only now eastern countries can see it's not so different from the soviet system they escaped, thanks to the USA, Britain and Gorbachev's vision. I won't waste my time outlining the original plan from 1941 because no one cares or is really interested. Rejoin the EU. Great idea. Not. " Righto  | |||
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"Oh yeah, let's rejoin that rat hole. Duhhhh!!!! An undemocratic vehicle for Germany hegemony. It's always a good idea to centralize power in one place where unelected commissioners make laws hahahaha. Please, gimme a break. Never happen. You'd have to adopt the euro which means your economy would be controlled by the germans because they set the interest rates. You couldn't trade outside the eu without their consent and support. They're constantly bullying Poland and Hungary for putting the nation first. Yeah let's rejoin those control freaks. Christ almighty, the blueprint was set out in 1941. The first president of the eec was a former nazi and lawyer from 1957 to 1968. They had a decade to lay down the blueprint before it became the EU. Ffs read people read. Look at the history books. Don't bother coming back at me europhile,I've heard your bs before. There is nothing,nothing,good about the EU. A sinister vanity project by the elites to control us little people and replace the nation state with an undemocratic union. The French love it because they think they will divi up power with the krauts, the south love it cause the live off the money from the north and east love it for the same reason. Only now eastern countries can see it's not so different from the soviet system they escaped, thanks to the USA, Britain and Gorbachev's vision. I won't waste my time outlining the original plan from 1941 because no one cares or is really interested. Rejoin the EU. Great idea. Not. " How are the little people fairing with the elites in Westminster? | |||
"Oh yeah, let's rejoin that rat hole. Duhhhh!!!! An undemocratic vehicle for Germany hegemony. It's always a good idea to centralize power in one place where unelected commissioners make laws hahahaha. Please, gimme a break. Never happen. You'd have to adopt the euro which means your economy would be controlled by the germans because they set the interest rates. You couldn't trade outside the eu without their consent and support. They're constantly bullying Poland and Hungary for putting the nation first. Yeah let's rejoin those control freaks. Christ almighty, the blueprint was set out in 1941. The first president of the eec was a former nazi and lawyer from 1957 to 1968. They had a decade to lay down the blueprint before it became the EU. Ffs read people read. Look at the history books. Don't bother coming back at me europhile,I've heard your bs before. There is nothing,nothing,good about the EU. A sinister vanity project by the elites to control us little people and replace the nation state with an undemocratic union. The French love it because they think they will divi up power with the krauts, the south love it cause the live off the money from the north and east love it for the same reason. Only now eastern countries can see it's not so different from the soviet system they escaped, thanks to the USA, Britain and Gorbachev's vision. I won't waste my time outlining the original plan from 1941 because no one cares or is really interested. Rejoin the EU. Great idea. Not. " I'd like to here more from you please. Sterling work! | |||
"Oh yeah, let's rejoin that rat hole. Duhhhh!!!! An undemocratic vehicle for Germany hegemony. It's always a good idea to centralize power in one place where unelected commissioners make laws hahahaha. Please, gimme a break. Never happen. You'd have to adopt the euro which means your economy would be controlled by the germans because they set the interest rates. You couldn't trade outside the eu without their consent and support. They're constantly bullying Poland and Hungary for putting the nation first. Yeah let's rejoin those control freaks. Christ almighty, the blueprint was set out in 1941. The first president of the eec was a former nazi and lawyer from 1957 to 1968. They had a decade to lay down the blueprint before it became the EU. Ffs read people read. Look at the history books. Don't bother coming back at me europhile,I've heard your bs before. There is nothing,nothing,good about the EU. A sinister vanity project by the elites to control us little people and replace the nation state with an undemocratic union. The French love it because they think they will divi up power with the krauts, the south love it cause the live off the money from the north and east love it for the same reason. Only now eastern countries can see it's not so different from the soviet system they escaped, thanks to the USA, Britain and Gorbachev's vision. I won't waste my time outlining the original plan from 1941 because no one cares or is really interested. Rejoin the EU. Great idea. Not. " Spot on. | |||
"Oh yeah, let's rejoin that rat hole. Duhhhh!!!! An undemocratic vehicle for Germany hegemony. It's always a good idea to centralize power in one place where unelected commissioners make laws hahahaha. Please, gimme a break. Never happen. You'd have to adopt the euro which means your economy would be controlled by the germans because they set the interest rates. You couldn't trade outside the eu without their consent and support. They're constantly bullying Poland and Hungary for putting the nation first. Yeah let's rejoin those control freaks. Christ almighty, the blueprint was set out in 1941. The first president of the eec was a former nazi and lawyer from 1957 to 1968. They had a decade to lay down the blueprint before it became the EU. Ffs read people read. Look at the history books. Don't bother coming back at me europhile,I've heard your bs before. There is nothing,nothing,good about the EU. A sinister vanity project by the elites to control us little people and replace the nation state with an undemocratic union. The French love it because they think they will divi up power with the krauts, the south love it cause the live off the money from the north and east love it for the same reason. Only now eastern countries can see it's not so different from the soviet system they escaped, thanks to the USA, Britain and Gorbachev's vision. I won't waste my time outlining the original plan from 1941 because no one cares or is really interested. Rejoin the EU. Great idea. Not. Spot on." You understand what this means? This seems to imply that it was a huge conspiracy whereby the Germans and french controlled the UK. This was achieved by providing us with the best financial settlement in the EU and setting all of the rules together with every other country. Is the "loss" of the "nation state" exactly what created the UNITED Kingdom? I assume this "conspiracy" should also be unwound. | |||
"Oh yeah, let's rejoin that rat hole. Duhhhh!!!! An undemocratic vehicle for Germany hegemony. It's always a good idea to centralize power in one place where unelected commissioners make laws hahahaha. Please, gimme a break. Never happen. You'd have to adopt the euro which means your economy would be controlled by the germans because they set the interest rates. You couldn't trade outside the eu without their consent and support. They're constantly bullying Poland and Hungary for putting the nation first. Yeah let's rejoin those control freaks. Christ almighty, the blueprint was set out in 1941. The first president of the eec was a former nazi and lawyer from 1957 to 1968. They had a decade to lay down the blueprint before it became the EU. Ffs read people read. Look at the history books. Don't bother coming back at me europhile,I've heard your bs before. There is nothing,nothing,good about the EU. A sinister vanity project by the elites to control us little people and replace the nation state with an undemocratic union. The French love it because they think they will divi up power with the krauts, the south love it cause the live off the money from the north and east love it for the same reason. Only now eastern countries can see it's not so different from the soviet system they escaped, thanks to the USA, Britain and Gorbachev's vision. I won't waste my time outlining the original plan from 1941 because no one cares or is really interested. Rejoin the EU. Great idea. Not. Spot on." Lol
I'd like to hear more from you too. | |||
"2. Show me why an advisory referendum became a law to be enacted. I really don't understand this argument. The referendum bill didn't explicitly say that the result would become law, but plenty of politicians said that they would follow the result. How long do you think any government would last if they asked the populace their opinion, and then just ignored it? And all that comes before you consider that we had a subsequent general election in which the parties laid out their plans on the matter, and the party that was planning Brexit got elected. You can blame Russia, lies, propaganda, racism, ignorance, and all kinds of other things, but arguing that the referendum was only advisory is disingenuous and irrelevant." Britain did not need Russia to interfere, we had Domonic Cummings. Like some Cyber Svengali he picked a handful of sound bites that resonated with those to bored or too stupid to listen to the actual economic arguments. "Take back control" Just who, personally, thinks they have more control now? | |||
"2. Show me why an advisory referendum became a law to be enacted. I really don't understand this argument. The referendum bill didn't explicitly say that the result would become law, but plenty of politicians said that they would follow the result. How long do you think any government would last if they asked the populace their opinion, and then just ignored it? And all that comes before you consider that we had a subsequent general election in which the parties laid out their plans on the matter, and the party that was planning Brexit got elected. You can blame Russia, lies, propaganda, racism, ignorance, and all kinds of other things, but arguing that the referendum was only advisory is disingenuous and irrelevant." The bitter remainers will try and find any excuses why they lost | |||
"2. Show me why an advisory referendum became a law to be enacted. I really don't understand this argument. The referendum bill didn't explicitly say that the result would become law, but plenty of politicians said that they would follow the result. How long do you think any government would last if they asked the populace their opinion, and then just ignored it? And all that comes before you consider that we had a subsequent general election in which the parties laid out their plans on the matter, and the party that was planning Brexit got elected. You can blame Russia, lies, propaganda, racism, ignorance, and all kinds of other things, but arguing that the referendum was only advisory is disingenuous and irrelevant. The bitter remainers will try and find any excuses why they lost " Why did the they lose, what was the compelling reason to leave? | |||
"This poll will change just as the referendum itself was no more than a transient opinion based on some truths, some lies, perceptions, emotions and almost nothing to do with membership of the EU. All the vocal Brexit supporters have nothing to say anywhere. They have won permanently though. There are no acceptable terms which we will be offered under which we will rejoin the EU. We had a deal that was unfair, in our favour. That will not be offered again and we won't accept anything less. So, the best outcome is we join the European Free Trade Association, for which we will pay without any ability to influence the rules which we used to make. We own our hubris. I know why you are wording it thus but I will never accept that “we” statement. It was not what I voted for and it was not in my name. Anyone claiming I do not accept democracy can: 1. Release the Russia Report to demonstrate no Russian interference. 2. Show me why an advisory referendum became a law to be enacted. 3. Explain why having voted to Leave the UK public were not then also given the opportunity to vote on our preferred future relationship with the EU." You still haven’t got over losing then... | |||
"2. Show me why an advisory referendum became a law to be enacted. I really don't understand this argument. The referendum bill didn't explicitly say that the result would become law, but plenty of politicians said that they would follow the result. How long do you think any government would last if they asked the populace their opinion, and then just ignored it? And all that comes before you consider that we had a subsequent general election in which the parties laid out their plans on the matter, and the party that was planning Brexit got elected. You can blame Russia, lies, propaganda, racism, ignorance, and all kinds of other things, but arguing that the referendum was only advisory is disingenuous and irrelevant. The bitter remainers will try and find any excuses why they lost Why did the they lose, what was the compelling reason to leave?" Compelling reasons to stay or leave are irrelevant there was a vote and the lowest number of votes lost | |||
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"2. Show me why an advisory referendum became a law to be enacted. I really don't understand this argument. The referendum bill didn't explicitly say that the result would become law, but plenty of politicians said that they would follow the result. How long do you think any government would last if they asked the populace their opinion, and then just ignored it? And all that comes before you consider that we had a subsequent general election in which the parties laid out their plans on the matter, and the party that was planning Brexit got elected. You can blame Russia, lies, propaganda, racism, ignorance, and all kinds of other things, but arguing that the referendum was only advisory is disingenuous and irrelevant. The bitter remainers will try and find any excuses why they lost Why did the they lose, what was the compelling reason to leave? Compelling reasons to stay or leave are irrelevant there was a vote and the lowest number of votes lost " Why is it irrelevant, the reasons to leave is what what won the vote, so what were those reasons that people believed in enough they voted to leave? | |||
"This poll will change just as the referendum itself was no more than a transient opinion based on some truths, some lies, perceptions, emotions and almost nothing to do with membership of the EU. All the vocal Brexit supporters have nothing to say anywhere. They have won permanently though. There are no acceptable terms which we will be offered under which we will rejoin the EU. We had a deal that was unfair, in our favour. That will not be offered again and we won't accept anything less. So, the best outcome is we join the European Free Trade Association, for which we will pay without any ability to influence the rules which we used to make. We own our hubris. I know why you are wording it thus but I will never accept that “we” statement. It was not what I voted for and it was not in my name. Anyone claiming I do not accept democracy can: 1. Release the Russia Report to demonstrate no Russian interference. 2. Show me why an advisory referendum became a law to be enacted. 3. Explain why having voted to Leave the UK public were not then also given the opportunity to vote on our preferred future relationship with the EU. You still haven’t got over losing then..." Win/Lose??? It was never a GAME!!! It was a decision about our economic future. The IMF, OBR, and numerous British and international independent economic think tanks said it would screw up Britain for decades to come. It has. In the end it was treated as a referendom on Cameron and illegal immigration. Cameron has gone and the other is up, although we pay France millions more to try and stop them. The EU say, "You did not want to be with us, so why should we waste our time and resources stopping migrants that don't want to be in our country?" | |||
"2. Show me why an advisory referendum became a law to be enacted. I really don't understand this argument. The referendum bill didn't explicitly say that the result would become law, but plenty of politicians said that they would follow the result. How long do you think any government would last if they asked the populace their opinion, and then just ignored it? And all that comes before you consider that we had a subsequent general election in which the parties laid out their plans on the matter, and the party that was planning Brexit got elected. You can blame Russia, lies, propaganda, racism, ignorance, and all kinds of other things, but arguing that the referendum was only advisory is disingenuous and irrelevant. The bitter remainers will try and find any excuses why they lost " This is where we are now, don't care you were lied to and conned, don't care that Brexit is a huge turd sandwich. Only care that you happened to have voted with more people than voted differently to you. No wonder this country is stuck in this downward trajectory. | |||
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"2. Show me why an advisory referendum became a law to be enacted. I really don't understand this argument. The referendum bill didn't explicitly say that the result would become law, but plenty of politicians said that they would follow the result. How long do you think any government would last if they asked the populace their opinion, and then just ignored it? And all that comes before you consider that we had a subsequent general election in which the parties laid out their plans on the matter, and the party that was planning Brexit got elected. You can blame Russia, lies, propaganda, racism, ignorance, and all kinds of other things, but arguing that the referendum was only advisory is disingenuous and irrelevant. The bitter remainers will try and find any excuses why they lost This is where we are now, don't care you were lied to and conned, don't care that Brexit is a huge turd sandwich. Only care that you happened to have voted with more people than voted differently to you. No wonder this country is stuck in this downward trajectory. " No lies told by the remain campaign I guess? Would you be going on and moaning so much if remain had won.. | |||
"2. Show me why an advisory referendum became a law to be enacted. I really don't understand this argument. The referendum bill didn't explicitly say that the result would become law, but plenty of politicians said that they would follow the result. How long do you think any government would last if they asked the populace their opinion, and then just ignored it? And all that comes before you consider that we had a subsequent general election in which the parties laid out their plans on the matter, and the party that was planning Brexit got elected. You can blame Russia, lies, propaganda, racism, ignorance, and all kinds of other things, but arguing that the referendum was only advisory is disingenuous and irrelevant. The bitter remainers will try and find any excuses why they lost This is where we are now, don't care you were lied to and conned, don't care that Brexit is a huge turd sandwich. Only care that you happened to have voted with more people than voted differently to you. No wonder this country is stuck in this downward trajectory. No lies told by the remain campaign I guess? Would you be going on and moaning so much if remain had won.." By and large the remain campaign was accurate. Meanwhile the leave campaigns were 100% bullshit. Are you asking would I be moaning if we didn't have a brexit? No. Are you literally only concerned about voting with the majority, and don't give a single shit about how you were conned into voting leave, or about the impacts of brexit? If so, fair play for your honesty. | |||
"2. Show me why an advisory referendum became a law to be enacted. I really don't understand this argument. The referendum bill didn't explicitly say that the result would become law, but plenty of politicians said that they would follow the result. How long do you think any government would last if they asked the populace their opinion, and then just ignored it? And all that comes before you consider that we had a subsequent general election in which the parties laid out their plans on the matter, and the party that was planning Brexit got elected. You can blame Russia, lies, propaganda, racism, ignorance, and all kinds of other things, but arguing that the referendum was only advisory is disingenuous and irrelevant. The bitter remainers will try and find any excuses why they lost This is where we are now, don't care you were lied to and conned, don't care that Brexit is a huge turd sandwich. Only care that you happened to have voted with more people than voted differently to you. No wonder this country is stuck in this downward trajectory. No lies told by the remain campaign I guess? Would you be going on and moaning so much if remain had won.." Up to now Brexit is a massive turd, but it is what you voted for | |||
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"Infantile footballisation of politics. “We won you lost get over it”. What exactly did leave voters “win” besides a narrow margin in the votes in the referendum? The government appointed Jacob Reece-Mogg as Minister for Brexit Benefits. He and his team could not identify one tangible provable benefit in all his time in office. So now the job no longer exists! The UK is economically fucked. The only major economy in the world to not recover to pre-pandemic levels. Why? Brexit impact starting to be felt. Yeah you “won” and your prize is...a giant steaming turd. Well done. Sloooooooow handclap! " The die hard Brexit believers are becoming extremely rare, it is a cult, and we all know how difficult it is to leave one | |||
"2. Show me why an advisory referendum became a law to be enacted. I really don't understand this argument. The referendum bill didn't explicitly say that the result would become law, but plenty of politicians said that they would follow the result. How long do you think any government would last if they asked the populace their opinion, and then just ignored it? And all that comes before you consider that we had a subsequent general election in which the parties laid out their plans on the matter, and the party that was planning Brexit got elected. You can blame Russia, lies, propaganda, racism, ignorance, and all kinds of other things, but arguing that the referendum was only advisory is disingenuous and irrelevant. The bitter remainers will try and find any excuses why they lost This is where we are now, don't care you were lied to and conned, don't care that Brexit is a huge turd sandwich. Only care that you happened to have voted with more people than voted differently to you. No wonder this country is stuck in this downward trajectory. No lies told by the remain campaign I guess? Would you be going on and moaning so much if remain had won.. Up to now Brexit is a massive turd, but it is what you voted for "At least they're honest about brexit being a big steaming turd, their only concern was with voting alongside the majority, regardless of the consequences. That's a lot better than the people arguing that Brexit was a good idea, the moon is made of cheese or aliens built the pyramids etc. | |||
"2. Show me why an advisory referendum became a law to be enacted. I really don't understand this argument. The referendum bill didn't explicitly say that the result would become law, but plenty of politicians said that they would follow the result. How long do you think any government would last if they asked the populace their opinion, and then just ignored it? And all that comes before you consider that we had a subsequent general election in which the parties laid out their plans on the matter, and the party that was planning Brexit got elected. You can blame Russia, lies, propaganda, racism, ignorance, and all kinds of other things, but arguing that the referendum was only advisory is disingenuous and irrelevant. The bitter remainers will try and find any excuses why they lost This is where we are now, don't care you were lied to and conned, don't care that Brexit is a huge turd sandwich. Only care that you happened to have voted with more people than voted differently to you. No wonder this country is stuck in this downward trajectory. No lies told by the remain campaign I guess? Would you be going on and moaning so much if remain had won.. Up to now Brexit is a massive turd, but it is what you voted for
At least they're honest about brexit being a big steaming turd, their only concern was with voting alongside the majority, regardless of the consequences.
That's a lot better than the people arguing that Brexit was a good idea, the moon is made of cheese or aliens built the pyramids etc. "I agree, I accept thar people didn’t vote for Brexit because it was good for the county but instead it was to annoy the ‘left’ the ‘woke’ and ‘do gooders’ , I admire their honesty | |||
"2. Show me why an advisory referendum became a law to be enacted. I really don't understand this argument. The referendum bill didn't explicitly say that the result would become law, but plenty of politicians said that they would follow the result. How long do you think any government would last if they asked the populace their opinion, and then just ignored it? And all that comes before you consider that we had a subsequent general election in which the parties laid out their plans on the matter, and the party that was planning Brexit got elected. You can blame Russia, lies, propaganda, racism, ignorance, and all kinds of other things, but arguing that the referendum was only advisory is disingenuous and irrelevant. The bitter remainers will try and find any excuses why they lost This is where we are now, don't care you were lied to and conned, don't care that Brexit is a huge turd sandwich. Only care that you happened to have voted with more people than voted differently to you. No wonder this country is stuck in this downward trajectory. No lies told by the remain campaign I guess? Would you be going on and moaning so much if remain had won.. Up to now Brexit is a massive turd, but it is what you voted for
At least they're honest about brexit being a big steaming turd, their only concern was with voting alongside the majority, regardless of the consequences.
That's a lot better than the people arguing that Brexit was a good idea, the moon is made of cheese or aliens built the pyramids etc.
I agree, I accept thar people didn’t vote for Brexit because it was good for the county but instead it was to annoy the ‘left’ the ‘woke’ and ‘do gooders’ , I admire their honesty "Maybe that's what they refer to when they say 'we won' because as can be seen all over the Internet, they definitely acheived that. | |||
"2. Show me why an advisory referendum became a law to be enacted. I really don't understand this argument. The referendum bill didn't explicitly say that the result would become law, but plenty of politicians said that they would follow the result. How long do you think any government would last if they asked the populace their opinion, and then just ignored it? And all that comes before you consider that we had a subsequent general election in which the parties laid out their plans on the matter, and the party that was planning Brexit got elected. You can blame Russia, lies, propaganda, racism, ignorance, and all kinds of other things, but arguing that the referendum was only advisory is disingenuous and irrelevant. The bitter remainers will try and find any excuses why they lost This is where we are now, don't care you were lied to and conned, don't care that Brexit is a huge turd sandwich. Only care that you happened to have voted with more people than voted differently to you. No wonder this country is stuck in this downward trajectory. No lies told by the remain campaign I guess? Would you be going on and moaning so much if remain had won.. Up to now Brexit is a massive turd, but it is what you voted for
At least they're honest about brexit being a big steaming turd, their only concern was with voting alongside the majority, regardless of the consequences.
That's a lot better than the people arguing that Brexit was a good idea, the moon is made of cheese or aliens built the pyramids etc.
I agree, I accept thar people didn’t vote for Brexit because it was good for the county but instead it was to annoy the ‘left’ the ‘woke’ and ‘do gooders’ , I admire their honesty
Maybe that's what they refer to when they say 'we won' because as can be seen all over the Internet, they definitely acheived that."Indeed, imagine being that type of person ? I feel sorry for them, who are they going to blame next for the current state of the country ? | |||
"2. Show me why an advisory referendum became a law to be enacted. I really don't understand this argument. The referendum bill didn't explicitly say that the result would become law, but plenty of politicians said that they would follow the result. How long do you think any government would last if they asked the populace their opinion, and then just ignored it? And all that comes before you consider that we had a subsequent general election in which the parties laid out their plans on the matter, and the party that was planning Brexit got elected. You can blame Russia, lies, propaganda, racism, ignorance, and all kinds of other things, but arguing that the referendum was only advisory is disingenuous and irrelevant. The bitter remainers will try and find any excuses why they lost This is where we are now, don't care you were lied to and conned, don't care that Brexit is a huge turd sandwich. Only care that you happened to have voted with more people than voted differently to you. No wonder this country is stuck in this downward trajectory. No lies told by the remain campaign I guess? Would you be going on and moaning so much if remain had won.. Up to now Brexit is a massive turd, but it is what you voted for
At least they're honest about brexit being a big steaming turd, their only concern was with voting alongside the majority, regardless of the consequences.
That's a lot better than the people arguing that Brexit was a good idea, the moon is made of cheese or aliens built the pyramids etc.
I agree, I accept thar people didn’t vote for Brexit because it was good for the county but instead it was to annoy the ‘left’ the ‘woke’ and ‘do gooders’ , I admire their honesty
Maybe that's what they refer to when they say 'we won' because as can be seen all over the Internet, they definitely acheived that."If they honestly made the country worse, for the sake of getting a "win" against people who didn't want to make the country worse. That's pretty sad state of affairs. | |||
"2. Show me why an advisory referendum became a law to be enacted. I really don't understand this argument. The referendum bill didn't explicitly say that the result would become law, but plenty of politicians said that they would follow the result. How long do you think any government would last if they asked the populace their opinion, and then just ignored it? And all that comes before you consider that we had a subsequent general election in which the parties laid out their plans on the matter, and the party that was planning Brexit got elected. You can blame Russia, lies, propaganda, racism, ignorance, and all kinds of other things, but arguing that the referendum was only advisory is disingenuous and irrelevant. The bitter remainers will try and find any excuses why they lost This is where we are now, don't care you were lied to and conned, don't care that Brexit is a huge turd sandwich. Only care that you happened to have voted with more people than voted differently to you. No wonder this country is stuck in this downward trajectory. No lies told by the remain campaign I guess? Would you be going on and moaning so much if remain had won.. Up to now Brexit is a massive turd, but it is what you voted for
At least they're honest about brexit being a big steaming turd, their only concern was with voting alongside the majority, regardless of the consequences.
That's a lot better than the people arguing that Brexit was a good idea, the moon is made of cheese or aliens built the pyramids etc.
I agree, I accept thar people didn’t vote for Brexit because it was good for the county but instead it was to annoy the ‘left’ the ‘woke’ and ‘do gooders’ , I admire their honesty
Maybe that's what they refer to when they say 'we won' because as can be seen all over the Internet, they definitely acheived that.
Indeed, imagine being that type of person ? I feel sorry for them, who are they going to blame next for the current state of the country ? "But they're probably laughing, saying 'imagine being one of those people who takes to the Internet daily to whinge' | |||
"2. Show me why an advisory referendum became a law to be enacted. I really don't understand this argument. The referendum bill didn't explicitly say that the result would become law, but plenty of politicians said that they would follow the result. How long do you think any government would last if they asked the populace their opinion, and then just ignored it? And all that comes before you consider that we had a subsequent general election in which the parties laid out their plans on the matter, and the party that was planning Brexit got elected. You can blame Russia, lies, propaganda, racism, ignorance, and all kinds of other things, but arguing that the referendum was only advisory is disingenuous and irrelevant. The bitter remainers will try and find any excuses why they lost This is where we are now, don't care you were lied to and conned, don't care that Brexit is a huge turd sandwich. Only care that you happened to have voted with more people than voted differently to you. No wonder this country is stuck in this downward trajectory. No lies told by the remain campaign I guess? Would you be going on and moaning so much if remain had won.. Up to now Brexit is a massive turd, but it is what you voted for
At least they're honest about brexit being a big steaming turd, their only concern was with voting alongside the majority, regardless of the consequences.
That's a lot better than the people arguing that Brexit was a good idea, the moon is made of cheese or aliens built the pyramids etc.
I agree, I accept thar people didn’t vote for Brexit because it was good for the county but instead it was to annoy the ‘left’ the ‘woke’ and ‘do gooders’ , I admire their honesty
Maybe that's what they refer to when they say 'we won' because as can be seen all over the Internet, they definitely acheived that.
If they honestly made the country worse, for the sake of getting a "win" against people who didn't want to make the country worse. That's pretty sad state of affairs. "I hate to break it to you but the country wasshit for millions before Brexit | |||
"2. Show me why an advisory referendum became a law to be enacted. I really don't understand this argument. The referendum bill didn't explicitly say that the result would become law, but plenty of politicians said that they would follow the result. How long do you think any government would last if they asked the populace their opinion, and then just ignored it? And all that comes before you consider that we had a subsequent general election in which the parties laid out their plans on the matter, and the party that was planning Brexit got elected. You can blame Russia, lies, propaganda, racism, ignorance, and all kinds of other things, but arguing that the referendum was only advisory is disingenuous and irrelevant. The bitter remainers will try and find any excuses why they lost This is where we are now, don't care you were lied to and conned, don't care that Brexit is a huge turd sandwich. Only care that you happened to have voted with more people than voted differently to you. No wonder this country is stuck in this downward trajectory. No lies told by the remain campaign I guess? Would you be going on and moaning so much if remain had won.. Up to now Brexit is a massive turd, but it is what you voted for
At least they're honest about brexit being a big steaming turd, their only concern was with voting alongside the majority, regardless of the consequences.
That's a lot better than the people arguing that Brexit was a good idea, the moon is made of cheese or aliens built the pyramids etc.
I agree, I accept thar people didn’t vote for Brexit because it was good for the county but instead it was to annoy the ‘left’ the ‘woke’ and ‘do gooders’ , I admire their honesty
Maybe that's what they refer to when they say 'we won' because as can be seen all over the Internet, they definitely acheived that.
Indeed, imagine being that type of person ? I feel sorry for them, who are they going to blame next for the current state of the country ?
But they're probably laughing, saying 'imagine being one of those people who takes to the Internet daily to whinge'"If whinging about people whinging does it for them, is that worth making the country worse, in their eyes? | |||
"2. Show me why an advisory referendum became a law to be enacted. I really don't understand this argument. The referendum bill didn't explicitly say that the result would become law, but plenty of politicians said that they would follow the result. How long do you think any government would last if they asked the populace their opinion, and then just ignored it? And all that comes before you consider that we had a subsequent general election in which the parties laid out their plans on the matter, and the party that was planning Brexit got elected. You can blame Russia, lies, propaganda, racism, ignorance, and all kinds of other things, but arguing that the referendum was only advisory is disingenuous and irrelevant. The bitter remainers will try and find any excuses why they lost This is where we are now, don't care you were lied to and conned, don't care that Brexit is a huge turd sandwich. Only care that you happened to have voted with more people than voted differently to you. No wonder this country is stuck in this downward trajectory. No lies told by the remain campaign I guess? Would you be going on and moaning so much if remain had won.. Up to now Brexit is a massive turd, but it is what you voted for
At least they're honest about brexit being a big steaming turd, their only concern was with voting alongside the majority, regardless of the consequences.
That's a lot better than the people arguing that Brexit was a good idea, the moon is made of cheese or aliens built the pyramids etc.
I agree, I accept thar people didn’t vote for Brexit because it was good for the county but instead it was to annoy the ‘left’ the ‘woke’ and ‘do gooders’ , I admire their honesty
Maybe that's what they refer to when they say 'we won' because as can be seen all over the Internet, they definitely acheived that.
Indeed, imagine being that type of person ? I feel sorry for them, who are they going to blame next for the current state of the country ?
But they're probably laughing, saying 'imagine being one of those people who takes to the Internet daily to whinge'
If whinging about people whinging does it for them, is that worth making the country worse, in their eyes?"Excuse me? | |||
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"2. Show me why an advisory referendum became a law to be enacted. I really don't understand this argument. The referendum bill didn't explicitly say that the result would become law, but plenty of politicians said that they would follow the result. How long do you think any government would last if they asked the populace their opinion, and then just ignored it? And all that comes before you consider that we had a subsequent general election in which the parties laid out their plans on the matter, and the party that was planning Brexit got elected. You can blame Russia, lies, propaganda, racism, ignorance, and all kinds of other things, but arguing that the referendum was only advisory is disingenuous and irrelevant. The bitter remainers will try and find any excuses why they lost This is where we are now, don't care you were lied to and conned, don't care that Brexit is a huge turd sandwich. Only care that you happened to have voted with more people than voted differently to you. No wonder this country is stuck in this downward trajectory. No lies told by the remain campaign I guess? Would you be going on and moaning so much if remain had won.. Up to now Brexit is a massive turd, but it is what you voted for
At least they're honest about brexit being a big steaming turd, their only concern was with voting alongside the majority, regardless of the consequences.
That's a lot better than the people arguing that Brexit was a good idea, the moon is made of cheese or aliens built the pyramids etc.
I agree, I accept thar people didn’t vote for Brexit because it was good for the county but instead it was to annoy the ‘left’ the ‘woke’ and ‘do gooders’ , I admire their honesty
Maybe that's what they refer to when they say 'we won' because as can be seen all over the Internet, they definitely acheived that.
Indeed, imagine being that type of person ? I feel sorry for them, who are they going to blame next for the current state of the country ?
But they're probably laughing, saying 'imagine being one of those people who takes to the Internet daily to whinge'
If whinging about people whinging does it for them, is that worth making the country worse, in their eyes?
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"2. Show me why an advisory referendum became a law to be enacted. I really don't understand this argument. The referendum bill didn't explicitly say that the result would become law, but plenty of politicians said that they would follow the result. How long do you think any government would last if they asked the populace their opinion, and then just ignored it? And all that comes before you consider that we had a subsequent general election in which the parties laid out their plans on the matter, and the party that was planning Brexit got elected. You can blame Russia, lies, propaganda, racism, ignorance, and all kinds of other things, but arguing that the referendum was only advisory is disingenuous and irrelevant. The bitter remainers will try and find any excuses why they lost This is where we are now, don't care you were lied to and conned, don't care that Brexit is a huge turd sandwich. Only care that you happened to have voted with more people than voted differently to you. No wonder this country is stuck in this downward trajectory. No lies told by the remain campaign I guess? Would you be going on and moaning so much if remain had won.. Up to now Brexit is a massive turd, but it is what you voted for
At least they're honest about brexit being a big steaming turd, their only concern was with voting alongside the majority, regardless of the consequences.
That's a lot better than the people arguing that Brexit was a good idea, the moon is made of cheese or aliens built the pyramids etc.
I agree, I accept thar people didn’t vote for Brexit because it was good for the county but instead it was to annoy the ‘left’ the ‘woke’ and ‘do gooders’ , I admire their honesty
Maybe that's what they refer to when they say 'we won' because as can be seen all over the Internet, they definitely acheived that.
Indeed, imagine being that type of person ? I feel sorry for them, who are they going to blame next for the current state of the country ?
But they're probably laughing, saying 'imagine being one of those people who takes to the Internet daily to whinge'"Like Farage and Richard Tice? | |||
"Die hard Remainers = We know the UK isn’t great for many but the EU is not the issue and voting to Leave will make things far worse! Remainers = I wonder if there is any way to salvage this shitshow...not looking likely so far! Brexit regretters = Oh dear I think I fucked up or believed all the bollox Farage et al told me, but embarrassing but I need to own it. I wonder if there is any way to salvage this shitshow...not looking likely so far! Die hard brexiters = ha ha ha look whose crying now you lefty woke unpatriotic non-believing idiots WE WON YOU LOST ha ha ha... wait a minute erm, oh Shit erm nothing for it, gonna double down! LOSERS!!!" Pretty much spot on. Unfortunately we see both ends of the spectrum on here. | |||
"2. Show me why an advisory referendum became a law to be enacted. I really don't understand this argument. The referendum bill didn't explicitly say that the result would become law, but plenty of politicians said that they would follow the result. How long do you think any government would last if they asked the populace their opinion, and then just ignored it? And all that comes before you consider that we had a subsequent general election in which the parties laid out their plans on the matter, and the party that was planning Brexit got elected. You can blame Russia, lies, propaganda, racism, ignorance, and all kinds of other things, but arguing that the referendum was only advisory is disingenuous and irrelevant. The bitter remainers will try and find any excuses why they lost This is where we are now, don't care you were lied to and conned, don't care that Brexit is a huge turd sandwich. Only care that you happened to have voted with more people than voted differently to you. No wonder this country is stuck in this downward trajectory. No lies told by the remain campaign I guess? Would you be going on and moaning so much if remain had won.. Up to now Brexit is a massive turd, but it is what you voted for
At least they're honest about brexit being a big steaming turd, their only concern was with voting alongside the majority, regardless of the consequences.
That's a lot better than the people arguing that Brexit was a good idea, the moon is made of cheese or aliens built the pyramids etc.
I agree, I accept thar people didn’t vote for Brexit because it was good for the county but instead it was to annoy the ‘left’ the ‘woke’ and ‘do gooders’ , I admire their honesty
Maybe that's what they refer to when they say 'we won' because as can be seen all over the Internet, they definitely acheived that.
Indeed, imagine being that type of person ? I feel sorry for them, who are they going to blame next for the current state of the country ?
But they're probably laughing, saying 'imagine being one of those people who takes to the Internet daily to whinge'
Like Farage and Richard Tice? "What about them? | |||
"2. Show me why an advisory referendum became a law to be enacted. I really don't understand this argument. The referendum bill didn't explicitly say that the result would become law, but plenty of politicians said that they would follow the result. How long do you think any government would last if they asked the populace their opinion, and then just ignored it? And all that comes before you consider that we had a subsequent general election in which the parties laid out their plans on the matter, and the party that was planning Brexit got elected. You can blame Russia, lies, propaganda, racism, ignorance, and all kinds of other things, but arguing that the referendum was only advisory is disingenuous and irrelevant. The bitter remainers will try and find any excuses why they lost This is where we are now, don't care you were lied to and conned, don't care that Brexit is a huge turd sandwich. Only care that you happened to have voted with more people than voted differently to you. No wonder this country is stuck in this downward trajectory. No lies told by the remain campaign I guess? Would you be going on and moaning so much if remain had won.. Up to now Brexit is a massive turd, but it is what you voted for
At least they're honest about brexit being a big steaming turd, their only concern was with voting alongside the majority, regardless of the consequences.
That's a lot better than the people arguing that Brexit was a good idea, the moon is made of cheese or aliens built the pyramids etc.
I agree, I accept thar people didn’t vote for Brexit because it was good for the county but instead it was to annoy the ‘left’ the ‘woke’ and ‘do gooders’ , I admire their honesty
Maybe that's what they refer to when they say 'we won' because as can be seen all over the Internet, they definitely acheived that.
Indeed, imagine being that type of person ? I feel sorry for them, who are they going to blame next for the current state of the country ?
But they're probably laughing, saying 'imagine being one of those people who takes to the Internet daily to whinge'
Like Farage and Richard Tice?
What about them?"They moaned and whinged online before Brexit, and now they haven’t got the Brexit they wanted they continue to moan and whinge . I wish we could find a way to make Brexit just a little bit less shit | |||
"2. Show me why an advisory referendum became a law to be enacted. I really don't understand this argument. The referendum bill didn't explicitly say that the result would become law, but plenty of politicians said that they would follow the result. How long do you think any government would last if they asked the populace their opinion, and then just ignored it? And all that comes before you consider that we had a subsequent general election in which the parties laid out their plans on the matter, and the party that was planning Brexit got elected. You can blame Russia, lies, propaganda, racism, ignorance, and all kinds of other things, but arguing that the referendum was only advisory is disingenuous and irrelevant. The bitter remainers will try and find any excuses why they lost This is where we are now, don't care you were lied to and conned, don't care that Brexit is a huge turd sandwich. Only care that you happened to have voted with more people than voted differently to you. No wonder this country is stuck in this downward trajectory. No lies told by the remain campaign I guess? Would you be going on and moaning so much if remain had won.. Up to now Brexit is a massive turd, but it is what you voted for
At least they're honest about brexit being a big steaming turd, their only concern was with voting alongside the majority, regardless of the consequences.
That's a lot better than the people arguing that Brexit was a good idea, the moon is made of cheese or aliens built the pyramids etc.
I agree, I accept thar people didn’t vote for Brexit because it was good for the county but instead it was to annoy the ‘left’ the ‘woke’ and ‘do gooders’ , I admire their honesty
Maybe that's what they refer to when they say 'we won' because as can be seen all over the Internet, they definitely acheived that.
Indeed, imagine being that type of person ? I feel sorry for them, who are they going to blame next for the current state of the country ?
But they're probably laughing, saying 'imagine being one of those people who takes to the Internet daily to whinge'
Like Farage and Richard Tice?
What about them?
They moaned and whinged online before Brexit, and now they haven’t got the Brexit they wanted they continue to moan and whinge . I wish we could find a way to make Brexit just a little bit less shit "What do they have to do with your statement of 'but instead it was to annoy the ‘left’ the ‘woke’ and ‘do gooders’ , I admire their honesty'? | |||
"2. Show me why an advisory referendum became a law to be enacted. I really don't understand this argument. The referendum bill didn't explicitly say that the result would become law, but plenty of politicians said that they would follow the result. How long do you think any government would last if they asked the populace their opinion, and then just ignored it? And all that comes before you consider that we had a subsequent general election in which the parties laid out their plans on the matter, and the party that was planning Brexit got elected. You can blame Russia, lies, propaganda, racism, ignorance, and all kinds of other things, but arguing that the referendum was only advisory is disingenuous and irrelevant. The bitter remainers will try and find any excuses why they lost This is where we are now, don't care you were lied to and conned, don't care that Brexit is a huge turd sandwich. Only care that you happened to have voted with more people than voted differently to you. No wonder this country is stuck in this downward trajectory. No lies told by the remain campaign I guess? Would you be going on and moaning so much if remain had won.. Up to now Brexit is a massive turd, but it is what you voted for
At least they're honest about brexit being a big steaming turd, their only concern was with voting alongside the majority, regardless of the consequences.
That's a lot better than the people arguing that Brexit was a good idea, the moon is made of cheese or aliens built the pyramids etc.
I agree, I accept thar people didn’t vote for Brexit because it was good for the county but instead it was to annoy the ‘left’ the ‘woke’ and ‘do gooders’ , I admire their honesty
Maybe that's what they refer to when they say 'we won' because as can be seen all over the Internet, they definitely acheived that.
Indeed, imagine being that type of person ? I feel sorry for them, who are they going to blame next for the current state of the country ?
But they're probably laughing, saying 'imagine being one of those people who takes to the Internet daily to whinge'
Like Farage and Richard Tice?
What about them?
They moaned and whinged online before Brexit, and now they haven’t got the Brexit they wanted they continue to moan and whinge . I wish we could find a way to make Brexit just a little bit less shit
What do they have to do with your statement of 'but instead it was to annoy the ‘left’ the ‘woke’ and ‘do gooders’ , I admire their honesty'?"Whinge about it? | |||
"2. Show me why an advisory referendum became a law to be enacted. I really don't understand this argument. The referendum bill didn't explicitly say that the result would become law, but plenty of politicians said that they would follow the result. How long do you think any government would last if they asked the populace their opinion, and then just ignored it? And all that comes before you consider that we had a subsequent general election in which the parties laid out their plans on the matter, and the party that was planning Brexit got elected. You can blame Russia, lies, propaganda, racism, ignorance, and all kinds of other things, but arguing that the referendum was only advisory is disingenuous and irrelevant. The bitter remainers will try and find any excuses why they lost This is where we are now, don't care you were lied to and conned, don't care that Brexit is a huge turd sandwich. Only care that you happened to have voted with more people than voted differently to you. No wonder this country is stuck in this downward trajectory. No lies told by the remain campaign I guess? Would you be going on and moaning so much if remain had won.. Up to now Brexit is a massive turd, but it is what you voted for
At least they're honest about brexit being a big steaming turd, their only concern was with voting alongside the majority, regardless of the consequences.
That's a lot better than the people arguing that Brexit was a good idea, the moon is made of cheese or aliens built the pyramids etc.
I agree, I accept thar people didn’t vote for Brexit because it was good for the county but instead it was to annoy the ‘left’ the ‘woke’ and ‘do gooders’ , I admire their honesty
Maybe that's what they refer to when they say 'we won' because as can be seen all over the Internet, they definitely acheived that.
Indeed, imagine being that type of person ? I feel sorry for them, who are they going to blame next for the current state of the country ?
But they're probably laughing, saying 'imagine being one of those people who takes to the Internet daily to whinge'
Like Farage and Richard Tice?
What about them?
They moaned and whinged online before Brexit, and now they haven’t got the Brexit they wanted they continue to moan and whinge . I wish we could find a way to make Brexit just a little bit less shit
What do they have to do with your statement of 'but instead it was to annoy the ‘left’ the ‘woke’ and ‘do gooders’ , I admire their honesty'?"Because they encouraged people to vote for Brexit, maybe you should use Google to find out who they are | |||
"2. Show me why an advisory referendum became a law to be enacted. I really don't understand this argument. The referendum bill didn't explicitly say that the result would become law, but plenty of politicians said that they would follow the result. How long do you think any government would last if they asked the populace their opinion, and then just ignored it? And all that comes before you consider that we had a subsequent general election in which the parties laid out their plans on the matter, and the party that was planning Brexit got elected. You can blame Russia, lies, propaganda, racism, ignorance, and all kinds of other things, but arguing that the referendum was only advisory is disingenuous and irrelevant. The bitter remainers will try and find any excuses why they lost This is where we are now, don't care you were lied to and conned, don't care that Brexit is a huge turd sandwich. Only care that you happened to have voted with more people than voted differently to you. No wonder this country is stuck in this downward trajectory. No lies told by the remain campaign I guess? Would you be going on and moaning so much if remain had won.. Up to now Brexit is a massive turd, but it is what you voted for
At least they're honest about brexit being a big steaming turd, their only concern was with voting alongside the majority, regardless of the consequences.
That's a lot better than the people arguing that Brexit was a good idea, the moon is made of cheese or aliens built the pyramids etc.
I agree, I accept thar people didn’t vote for Brexit because it was good for the county but instead it was to annoy the ‘left’ the ‘woke’ and ‘do gooders’ , I admire their honesty
Maybe that's what they refer to when they say 'we won' because as can be seen all over the Internet, they definitely acheived that.
Indeed, imagine being that type of person ? I feel sorry for them, who are they going to blame next for the current state of the country ?
But they're probably laughing, saying 'imagine being one of those people who takes to the Internet daily to whinge'
Like Farage and Richard Tice?
What about them?
They moaned and whinged online before Brexit, and now they haven’t got the Brexit they wanted they continue to moan and whinge . I wish we could find a way to make Brexit just a little bit less shit
What do they have to do with your statement of 'but instead it was to annoy the ‘left’ the ‘woke’ and ‘do gooders’ , I admire their honesty'?
Because they encouraged people to vote for Brexit, maybe you should use Google to find out who they are "I'm well aware of who they are. I'll ask again, what do rhey have to do with your statement and my reply? | |||
"2. Show me why an advisory referendum became a law to be enacted. I really don't understand this argument. The referendum bill didn't explicitly say that the result would become law, but plenty of politicians said that they would follow the result. How long do you think any government would last if they asked the populace their opinion, and then just ignored it? And all that comes before you consider that we had a subsequent general election in which the parties laid out their plans on the matter, and the party that was planning Brexit got elected. You can blame Russia, lies, propaganda, racism, ignorance, and all kinds of other things, but arguing that the referendum was only advisory is disingenuous and irrelevant. The bitter remainers will try and find any excuses why they lost This is where we are now, don't care you were lied to and conned, don't care that Brexit is a huge turd sandwich. Only care that you happened to have voted with more people than voted differently to you. No wonder this country is stuck in this downward trajectory. No lies told by the remain campaign I guess? Would you be going on and moaning so much if remain had won.. Up to now Brexit is a massive turd, but it is what you voted for
At least they're honest about brexit being a big steaming turd, their only concern was with voting alongside the majority, regardless of the consequences.
That's a lot better than the people arguing that Brexit was a good idea, the moon is made of cheese or aliens built the pyramids etc.
I agree, I accept thar people didn’t vote for Brexit because it was good for the county but instead it was to annoy the ‘left’ the ‘woke’ and ‘do gooders’ , I admire their honesty
Maybe that's what they refer to when they say 'we won' because as can be seen all over the Internet, they definitely acheived that.
Indeed, imagine being that type of person ? I feel sorry for them, who are they going to blame next for the current state of the country ?
But they're probably laughing, saying 'imagine being one of those people who takes to the Internet daily to whinge'
Like Farage and Richard Tice?
What about them?
They moaned and whinged online before Brexit, and now they haven’t got the Brexit they wanted they continue to moan and whinge . I wish we could find a way to make Brexit just a little bit less shit
What do they have to do with your statement of 'but instead it was to annoy the ‘left’ the ‘woke’ and ‘do gooders’ , I admire their honesty'?
Because they encouraged people to vote for Brexit, maybe you should use Google to find out who they are
I'm well aware of who they are.
I'll ask again, what do rhey have to do with your statement and my reply?"Farage and Tice spend their time online whinging about Brexit | |||
"2. Show me why an advisory referendum became a law to be enacted. I really don't understand this argument. The referendum bill didn't explicitly say that the result would become law, but plenty of politicians said that they would follow the result. How long do you think any government would last if they asked the populace their opinion, and then just ignored it? And all that comes before you consider that we had a subsequent general election in which the parties laid out their plans on the matter, and the party that was planning Brexit got elected. You can blame Russia, lies, propaganda, racism, ignorance, and all kinds of other things, but arguing that the referendum was only advisory is disingenuous and irrelevant. The bitter remainers will try and find any excuses why they lost This is where we are now, don't care you were lied to and conned, don't care that Brexit is a huge turd sandwich. Only care that you happened to have voted with more people than voted differently to you. No wonder this country is stuck in this downward trajectory. No lies told by the remain campaign I guess? Would you be going on and moaning so much if remain had won.. Up to now Brexit is a massive turd, but it is what you voted for
At least they're honest about brexit being a big steaming turd, their only concern was with voting alongside the majority, regardless of the consequences.
That's a lot better than the people arguing that Brexit was a good idea, the moon is made of cheese or aliens built the pyramids etc.
I agree, I accept thar people didn’t vote for Brexit because it was good for the county but instead it was to annoy the ‘left’ the ‘woke’ and ‘do gooders’ , I admire their honesty
Maybe that's what they refer to when they say 'we won' because as can be seen all over the Internet, they definitely acheived that.
Indeed, imagine being that type of person ? I feel sorry for them, who are they going to blame next for the current state of the country ?
But they're probably laughing, saying 'imagine being one of those people who takes to the Internet daily to whinge'
Like Farage and Richard Tice?
What about them?
They moaned and whinged online before Brexit, and now they haven’t got the Brexit they wanted they continue to moan and whinge . I wish we could find a way to make Brexit just a little bit less shit
What do they have to do with your statement of 'but instead it was to annoy the ‘left’ the ‘woke’ and ‘do gooders’ , I admire their honesty'?
Because they encouraged people to vote for Brexit, maybe you should use Google to find out who they are
I'm well aware of who they are.
I'll ask again, what do rhey have to do with your statement and my reply?
Farage and Tice spend their time online whinging about Brexit "But they are not remainers. I said leavers are probably laughing at remainers whinging on the daily. It's not hard to understand. | |||
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"2. Show me why an advisory referendum became a law to be enacted. I really don't understand this argument. The referendum bill didn't explicitly say that the result would become law, but plenty of politicians said that they would follow the result. How long do you think any government would last if they asked the populace their opinion, and then just ignored it? And all that comes before you consider that we had a subsequent general election in which the parties laid out their plans on the matter, and the party that was planning Brexit got elected. You can blame Russia, lies, propaganda, racism, ignorance, and all kinds of other things, but arguing that the referendum was only advisory is disingenuous and irrelevant. The bitter remainers will try and find any excuses why they lost This is where we are now, don't care you were lied to and conned, don't care that Brexit is a huge turd sandwich. Only care that you happened to have voted with more people than voted differently to you. No wonder this country is stuck in this downward trajectory. No lies told by the remain campaign I guess? Would you be going on and moaning so much if remain had won.. Up to now Brexit is a massive turd, but it is what you voted for
At least they're honest about brexit being a big steaming turd, their only concern was with voting alongside the majority, regardless of the consequences.
That's a lot better than the people arguing that Brexit was a good idea, the moon is made of cheese or aliens built the pyramids etc.
I agree, I accept thar people didn’t vote for Brexit because it was good for the county but instead it was to annoy the ‘left’ the ‘woke’ and ‘do gooders’ , I admire their honesty
Maybe that's what they refer to when they say 'we won' because as can be seen all over the Internet, they definitely acheived that.
Indeed, imagine being that type of person ? I feel sorry for them, who are they going to blame next for the current state of the country ?
But they're probably laughing, saying 'imagine being one of those people who takes to the Internet daily to whinge'
Like Farage and Richard Tice?
What about them?
They moaned and whinged online before Brexit, and now they haven’t got the Brexit they wanted they continue to moan and whinge . I wish we could find a way to make Brexit just a little bit less shit
What do they have to do with your statement of 'but instead it was to annoy the ‘left’ the ‘woke’ and ‘do gooders’ , I admire their honesty'?
Because they encouraged people to vote for Brexit, maybe you should use Google to find out who they are
I'm well aware of who they are.
I'll ask again, what do rhey have to do with your statement and my reply?
Farage and Tice spend their time online whinging about Brexit
But they are not remainers. I said leavers are probably laughing at remainers whinging on the daily.
It's not hard to understand."‘They are laughing , saying 'imagine being one of those people who takes to the Internet daily to whinge' Farage and Tice are ‘people’ who ‘take’ to the internet daily to whinge’ about Brexit . | |||
"2. Show me why an advisory referendum became a law to be enacted. I really don't understand this argument. The referendum bill didn't explicitly say that the result would become law, but plenty of politicians said that they would follow the result. How long do you think any government would last if they asked the populace their opinion, and then just ignored it? And all that comes before you consider that we had a subsequent general election in which the parties laid out their plans on the matter, and the party that was planning Brexit got elected. You can blame Russia, lies, propaganda, racism, ignorance, and all kinds of other things, but arguing that the referendum was only advisory is disingenuous and irrelevant. The bitter remainers will try and find any excuses why they lost This is where we are now, don't care you were lied to and conned, don't care that Brexit is a huge turd sandwich. Only care that you happened to have voted with more people than voted differently to you. No wonder this country is stuck in this downward trajectory. No lies told by the remain campaign I guess? Would you be going on and moaning so much if remain had won.. Up to now Brexit is a massive turd, but it is what you voted for
At least they're honest about brexit being a big steaming turd, their only concern was with voting alongside the majority, regardless of the consequences.
That's a lot better than the people arguing that Brexit was a good idea, the moon is made of cheese or aliens built the pyramids etc.
I agree, I accept thar people didn’t vote for Brexit because it was good for the county but instead it was to annoy the ‘left’ the ‘woke’ and ‘do gooders’ , I admire their honesty
Maybe that's what they refer to when they say 'we won' because as can be seen all over the Internet, they definitely acheived that.
Indeed, imagine being that type of person ? I feel sorry for them, who are they going to blame next for the current state of the country ?
But they're probably laughing, saying 'imagine being one of those people who takes to the Internet daily to whinge'
Like Farage and Richard Tice?
What about them?
They moaned and whinged online before Brexit, and now they haven’t got the Brexit they wanted they continue to moan and whinge . I wish we could find a way to make Brexit just a little bit less shit
What do they have to do with your statement of 'but instead it was to annoy the ‘left’ the ‘woke’ and ‘do gooders’ , I admire their honesty'?
Because they encouraged people to vote for Brexit, maybe you should use Google to find out who they are
I'm well aware of who they are.
I'll ask again, what do rhey have to do with your statement and my reply?
Farage and Tice spend their time online whinging about Brexit
But they are not remainers. I said leavers are probably laughing at remainers whinging on the daily.
It's not hard to understand."Is it only remainers who have this hypothetical "whinging"? | |||
"It was interesting to learn the new term "demographic metabolism", basically the churn within the age group cohorts as older voters die and young people start being able to vote. The Brexit vote was very polarised at the two most extreme age groups, so some of the shift being reported is due to older voters, who formed a considerable rump of Leave voters and also are far more likely to have responded that they have no regrets, dying and being replaced by younger voters who did/would have been most likely to vote Remain and view Brexit as a mistake." You think it's more that, than people changing their minds after seeing that the reality of brexit was pretty much exactly as predicted? | |||
"It was interesting to learn the new term "demographic metabolism", basically the churn within the age group cohorts as older voters die and young people start being able to vote. The Brexit vote was very polarised at the two most extreme age groups, so some of the shift being reported is due to older voters, who formed a considerable rump of Leave voters and also are far more likely to have responded that they have no regrets, dying and being replaced by younger voters who did/would have been most likely to vote Remain and view Brexit as a mistake." True, we won’t be rejoining the EU anytime soon, let’s just hope we can find a way to make it less shit | |||
"2. Show me why an advisory referendum became a law to be enacted. I really don't understand this argument. The referendum bill didn't explicitly say that the result would become law, but plenty of politicians said that they would follow the result. How long do you think any government would last if they asked the populace their opinion, and then just ignored it? And all that comes before you consider that we had a subsequent general election in which the parties laid out their plans on the matter, and the party that was planning Brexit got elected. You can blame Russia, lies, propaganda, racism, ignorance, and all kinds of other things, but arguing that the referendum was only advisory is disingenuous and irrelevant. The bitter remainers will try and find any excuses why they lost This is where we are now, don't care you were lied to and conned, don't care that Brexit is a huge turd sandwich. Only care that you happened to have voted with more people than voted differently to you. No wonder this country is stuck in this downward trajectory. No lies told by the remain campaign I guess? Would you be going on and moaning so much if remain had won.. Up to now Brexit is a massive turd, but it is what you voted for
At least they're honest about brexit being a big steaming turd, their only concern was with voting alongside the majority, regardless of the consequences.
That's a lot better than the people arguing that Brexit was a good idea, the moon is made of cheese or aliens built the pyramids etc.
I agree, I accept thar people didn’t vote for Brexit because it was good for the county but instead it was to annoy the ‘left’ the ‘woke’ and ‘do gooders’ , I admire their honesty
Maybe that's what they refer to when they say 'we won' because as can be seen all over the Internet, they definitely acheived that.
Indeed, imagine being that type of person ? I feel sorry for them, who are they going to blame next for the current state of the country ?
But they're probably laughing, saying 'imagine being one of those people who takes to the Internet daily to whinge'
Like Farage and Richard Tice?
What about them?
They moaned and whinged online before Brexit, and now they haven’t got the Brexit they wanted they continue to moan and whinge . I wish we could find a way to make Brexit just a little bit less shit
What do they have to do with your statement of 'but instead it was to annoy the ‘left’ the ‘woke’ and ‘do gooders’ , I admire their honesty'?
Because they encouraged people to vote for Brexit, maybe you should use Google to find out who they are
I'm well aware of who they are.
I'll ask again, what do rhey have to do with your statement and my reply?
Farage and Tice spend their time online whinging about Brexit
But they are not remainers. I said leavers are probably laughing at remainers whinging on the daily.
It's not hard to understand.
Is it only remainers who have this hypothetical "whinging"?"It's most certainly not hypothetical, but in short the answer is no | |||
"2. Show me why an advisory referendum became a law to be enacted. I really don't understand this argument. The referendum bill didn't explicitly say that the result would become law, but plenty of politicians said that they would follow the result. How long do you think any government would last if they asked the populace their opinion, and then just ignored it? And all that comes before you consider that we had a subsequent general election in which the parties laid out their plans on the matter, and the party that was planning Brexit got elected. You can blame Russia, lies, propaganda, racism, ignorance, and all kinds of other things, but arguing that the referendum was only advisory is disingenuous and irrelevant. The bitter remainers will try and find any excuses why they lost This is where we are now, don't care you were lied to and conned, don't care that Brexit is a huge turd sandwich. Only care that you happened to have voted with more people than voted differently to you. No wonder this country is stuck in this downward trajectory. No lies told by the remain campaign I guess? Would you be going on and moaning so much if remain had won.. Up to now Brexit is a massive turd, but it is what you voted for
At least they're honest about brexit being a big steaming turd, their only concern was with voting alongside the majority, regardless of the consequences.
That's a lot better than the people arguing that Brexit was a good idea, the moon is made of cheese or aliens built the pyramids etc.
I agree, I accept thar people didn’t vote for Brexit because it was good for the county but instead it was to annoy the ‘left’ the ‘woke’ and ‘do gooders’ , I admire their honesty
Maybe that's what they refer to when they say 'we won' because as can be seen all over the Internet, they definitely acheived that.
Indeed, imagine being that type of person ? I feel sorry for them, who are they going to blame next for the current state of the country ?
But they're probably laughing, saying 'imagine being one of those people who takes to the Internet daily to whinge'
Like Farage and Richard Tice?
What about them?
They moaned and whinged online before Brexit, and now they haven’t got the Brexit they wanted they continue to moan and whinge . I wish we could find a way to make Brexit just a little bit less shit
What do they have to do with your statement of 'but instead it was to annoy the ‘left’ the ‘woke’ and ‘do gooders’ , I admire their honesty'?
Because they encouraged people to vote for Brexit, maybe you should use Google to find out who they are
I'm well aware of who they are.
I'll ask again, what do rhey have to do with your statement and my reply?
Farage and Tice spend their time online whinging about Brexit
But they are not remainers. I said leavers are probably laughing at remainers whinging on the daily.
It's not hard to understand.
‘They are laughing , saying 'imagine being one of those people who takes to the Internet daily to whinge'
Farage and Tice are ‘people’ who ‘take’ to the internet daily to whinge’ about Brexit .
"But they tend to be on the same side as leave voters so clearly we werent talking about them. again, it's not difficult to understand. | |||
"2. Show me why an advisory referendum became a law to be enacted. I really don't understand this argument. The referendum bill didn't explicitly say that the result would become law, but plenty of politicians said that they would follow the result. How long do you think any government would last if they asked the populace their opinion, and then just ignored it? And all that comes before you consider that we had a subsequent general election in which the parties laid out their plans on the matter, and the party that was planning Brexit got elected. You can blame Russia, lies, propaganda, racism, ignorance, and all kinds of other things, but arguing that the referendum was only advisory is disingenuous and irrelevant. The bitter remainers will try and find any excuses why they lost This is where we are now, don't care you were lied to and conned, don't care that Brexit is a huge turd sandwich. Only care that you happened to have voted with more people than voted differently to you. No wonder this country is stuck in this downward trajectory. No lies told by the remain campaign I guess? Would you be going on and moaning so much if remain had won.. Up to now Brexit is a massive turd, but it is what you voted for
At least they're honest about brexit being a big steaming turd, their only concern was with voting alongside the majority, regardless of the consequences.
That's a lot better than the people arguing that Brexit was a good idea, the moon is made of cheese or aliens built the pyramids etc.
I agree, I accept thar people didn’t vote for Brexit because it was good for the county but instead it was to annoy the ‘left’ the ‘woke’ and ‘do gooders’ , I admire their honesty
Maybe that's what they refer to when they say 'we won' because as can be seen all over the Internet, they definitely acheived that.
Indeed, imagine being that type of person ? I feel sorry for them, who are they going to blame next for the current state of the country ?
But they're probably laughing, saying 'imagine being one of those people who takes to the Internet daily to whinge'
Like Farage and Richard Tice?
What about them?
They moaned and whinged online before Brexit, and now they haven’t got the Brexit they wanted they continue to moan and whinge . I wish we could find a way to make Brexit just a little bit less shit
What do they have to do with your statement of 'but instead it was to annoy the ‘left’ the ‘woke’ and ‘do gooders’ , I admire their honesty'?
Because they encouraged people to vote for Brexit, maybe you should use Google to find out who they are
I'm well aware of who they are.
I'll ask again, what do rhey have to do with your statement and my reply?
Farage and Tice spend their time online whinging about Brexit
But they are not remainers. I said leavers are probably laughing at remainers whinging on the daily.
It's not hard to understand.
‘They are laughing , saying 'imagine being one of those people who takes to the Internet daily to whinge'
Farage and Tice are ‘people’ who ‘take’ to the internet daily to whinge’ about Brexit .
But they tend to be on the same side as leave voters so clearly we werent talking about them. again, it's not difficult to understand." | |||
"It was interesting to learn the new term "demographic metabolism", basically the churn within the age group cohorts as older voters die and young people start being able to vote. The Brexit vote was very polarised at the two most extreme age groups, so some of the shift being reported is due to older voters, who formed a considerable rump of Leave voters and also are far more likely to have responded that they have no regrets, dying and being replaced by younger voters who did/would have been most likely to vote Remain and view Brexit as a mistake." This aged voting shift will bring the UK back into the EU. It could happen sooner rather than later if the conservatives lose the next GE. Labour wont want to upset the red wall north, meaning no change while in power. The tories will need a new image, appealing to the younger generations and promises of giving them the chance to get their voice heard on rejoining the EU. If Labour hold on for 2 terms, I can see this playing out in 10 years time.... Oooh I've gone all crystal ball | |||
"It was interesting to learn the new term "demographic metabolism", basically the churn within the age group cohorts as older voters die and young people start being able to vote. The Brexit vote was very polarised at the two most extreme age groups, so some of the shift being reported is due to older voters, who formed a considerable rump of Leave voters and also are far more likely to have responded that they have no regrets, dying and being replaced by younger voters who did/would have been most likely to vote Remain and view Brexit as a mistake. This aged voting shift will bring the UK back into the EU. It could happen sooner rather than later if the conservatives lose the next GE. Labour wont want to upset the red wall north, meaning no change while in power. The tories will need a new image, appealing to the younger generations and promises of giving them the chance to get their voice heard on rejoining the EU. If Labour hold on for 2 terms, I can see this playing out in 10 years time.... Oooh I've gone all crystal ball "Interesting , do you think the right wing /anti EU side of the Tories will form a new party? | |||
"2. Show me why an advisory referendum became a law to be enacted. I really don't understand this argument. The referendum bill didn't explicitly say that the result would become law, but plenty of politicians said that they would follow the result. How long do you think any government would last if they asked the populace their opinion, and then just ignored it? And all that comes before you consider that we had a subsequent general election in which the parties laid out their plans on the matter, and the party that was planning Brexit got elected. You can blame Russia, lies, propaganda, racism, ignorance, and all kinds of other things, but arguing that the referendum was only advisory is disingenuous and irrelevant. The bitter remainers will try and find any excuses why they lost This is where we are now, don't care you were lied to and conned, don't care that Brexit is a huge turd sandwich. Only care that you happened to have voted with more people than voted differently to you. No wonder this country is stuck in this downward trajectory. No lies told by the remain campaign I guess? Would you be going on and moaning so much if remain had won.. Up to now Brexit is a massive turd, but it is what you voted for
At least they're honest about brexit being a big steaming turd, their only concern was with voting alongside the majority, regardless of the consequences.
That's a lot better than the people arguing that Brexit was a good idea, the moon is made of cheese or aliens built the pyramids etc.
I agree, I accept thar people didn’t vote for Brexit because it was good for the county but instead it was to annoy the ‘left’ the ‘woke’ and ‘do gooders’ , I admire their honesty
Maybe that's what they refer to when they say 'we won' because as can be seen all over the Internet, they definitely acheived that.
Indeed, imagine being that type of person ? I feel sorry for them, who are they going to blame next for the current state of the country ?
But they're probably laughing, saying 'imagine being one of those people who takes to the Internet daily to whinge'
Like Farage and Richard Tice?
What about them?
They moaned and whinged online before Brexit, and now they haven’t got the Brexit they wanted they continue to moan and whinge . I wish we could find a way to make Brexit just a little bit less shit
What do they have to do with your statement of 'but instead it was to annoy the ‘left’ the ‘woke’ and ‘do gooders’ , I admire their honesty'?
Because they encouraged people to vote for Brexit, maybe you should use Google to find out who they are
I'm well aware of who they are.
I'll ask again, what do rhey have to do with your statement and my reply?
Farage and Tice spend their time online whinging about Brexit
But they are not remainers. I said leavers are probably laughing at remainers whinging on the daily.
It's not hard to understand.
Is it only remainers who have this hypothetical "whinging"?
It's most certainly not hypothetical, but in short the answer is no"Ah, so real whinging about the impact of brexit is different to people whinging about people whinging about the impact of brexit, or is it of equal status/value? | |||
"It was interesting to learn the new term "demographic metabolism", basically the churn within the age group cohorts as older voters die and young people start being able to vote. The Brexit vote was very polarised at the two most extreme age groups, so some of the shift being reported is due to older voters, who formed a considerable rump of Leave voters and also are far more likely to have responded that they have no regrets, dying and being replaced by younger voters who did/would have been most likely to vote Remain and view Brexit as a mistake. This aged voting shift will bring the UK back into the EU. It could happen sooner rather than later if the conservatives lose the next GE. Labour wont want to upset the red wall north, meaning no change while in power. The tories will need a new image, appealing to the younger generations and promises of giving them the chance to get their voice heard on rejoining the EU. If Labour hold on for 2 terms, I can see this playing out in 10 years time.... Oooh I've gone all crystal ball "Bookmark this for ten years and we'll see if you're right! | |||
"It was interesting to learn the new term "demographic metabolism", basically the churn within the age group cohorts as older voters die and young people start being able to vote. The Brexit vote was very polarised at the two most extreme age groups, so some of the shift being reported is due to older voters, who formed a considerable rump of Leave voters and also are far more likely to have responded that they have no regrets, dying and being replaced by younger voters who did/would have been most likely to vote Remain and view Brexit as a mistake." I was accused of wanting old people to die when I mentioned this on here a few years ago. However, it turns out that old people do die, young people do get to vote and it's those who wanted to leave who are dying and those who want to remain who are able to vote. | |||
"2. Show me why an advisory referendum became a law to be enacted. I really don't understand this argument. The referendum bill didn't explicitly say that the result would become law, but plenty of politicians said that they would follow the result. How long do you think any government would last if they asked the populace their opinion, and then just ignored it? And all that comes before you consider that we had a subsequent general election in which the parties laid out their plans on the matter, and the party that was planning Brexit got elected. You can blame Russia, lies, propaganda, racism, ignorance, and all kinds of other things, but arguing that the referendum was only advisory is disingenuous and irrelevant. The bitter remainers will try and find any excuses why they lost This is where we are now, don't care you were lied to and conned, don't care that Brexit is a huge turd sandwich. Only care that you happened to have voted with more people than voted differently to you. No wonder this country is stuck in this downward trajectory. No lies told by the remain campaign I guess? Would you be going on and moaning so much if remain had won.. Up to now Brexit is a massive turd, but it is what you voted for
At least they're honest about brexit being a big steaming turd, their only concern was with voting alongside the majority, regardless of the consequences.
That's a lot better than the people arguing that Brexit was a good idea, the moon is made of cheese or aliens built the pyramids etc.
I agree, I accept thar people didn’t vote for Brexit because it was good for the county but instead it was to annoy the ‘left’ the ‘woke’ and ‘do gooders’ , I admire their honesty
Maybe that's what they refer to when they say 'we won' because as can be seen all over the Internet, they definitely acheived that.
Indeed, imagine being that type of person ? I feel sorry for them, who are they going to blame next for the current state of the country ?
But they're probably laughing, saying 'imagine being one of those people who takes to the Internet daily to whinge'
Like Farage and Richard Tice?
What about them?
They moaned and whinged online before Brexit, and now they haven’t got the Brexit they wanted they continue to moan and whinge . I wish we could find a way to make Brexit just a little bit less shit
What do they have to do with your statement of 'but instead it was to annoy the ‘left’ the ‘woke’ and ‘do gooders’ , I admire their honesty'?
Because they encouraged people to vote for Brexit, maybe you should use Google to find out who they are
I'm well aware of who they are.
I'll ask again, what do rhey have to do with your statement and my reply?
Farage and Tice spend their time online whinging about Brexit
But they are not remainers. I said leavers are probably laughing at remainers whinging on the daily.
It's not hard to understand.
Is it only remainers who have this hypothetical "whinging"?
It's most certainly not hypothetical, but in short the answer is no
Ah, so real whinging about the impact of brexit is different to people whinging about people whinging about the impact of brexit, or is it of equal status/value?"It can only be classed as whinging about Brexit if you are a remain voter, apparently | |||
"It was interesting to learn the new term "demographic metabolism", basically the churn within the age group cohorts as older voters die and young people start being able to vote. The Brexit vote was very polarised at the two most extreme age groups, so some of the shift being reported is due to older voters, who formed a considerable rump of Leave voters and also are far more likely to have responded that they have no regrets, dying and being replaced by younger voters who did/would have been most likely to vote Remain and view Brexit as a mistake. This aged voting shift will bring the UK back into the EU. It could happen sooner rather than later if the conservatives lose the next GE. Labour wont want to upset the red wall north, meaning no change while in power. The tories will need a new image, appealing to the younger generations and promises of giving them the chance to get their voice heard on rejoining the EU. If Labour hold on for 2 terms, I can see this playing out in 10 years time.... Oooh I've gone all crystal ball
Interesting , do you think the right wing /anti EU side of the Tories will form a new party? "I think the tories will want a new image at any cost at the 2nd time of losing a GE. This would be a very new image and those tory old guards will have slipped further away from the decision making in 10 years time. Tomorrow I will give you the name of the winner of the 3:15 at Ascot | |||
"You think it's more that, than people changing their minds after seeing that the reality of brexit was pretty much exactly as predicted?" There's different interpretations of how much of an impact it has had, it's certainly enough to be a contributing factor but I'd say that the gap between people's perceived benefits of Brexit at the time and what they're seeing now is probably a larger contribution to the change. | |||
"It was interesting to learn the new term "demographic metabolism", basically the churn within the age group cohorts as older voters die and young people start being able to vote. The Brexit vote was very polarised at the two most extreme age groups, so some of the shift being reported is due to older voters, who formed a considerable rump of Leave voters and also are far more likely to have responded that they have no regrets, dying and being replaced by younger voters who did/would have been most likely to vote Remain and view Brexit as a mistake. This aged voting shift will bring the UK back into the EU. It could happen sooner rather than later if the conservatives lose the next GE. Labour wont want to upset the red wall north, meaning no change while in power. The tories will need a new image, appealing to the younger generations and promises of giving them the chance to get their voice heard on rejoining the EU. If Labour hold on for 2 terms, I can see this playing out in 10 years time.... Oooh I've gone all crystal ball
Interesting , do you think the right wing /anti EU side of the Tories will form a new party?
I think the tories will want a new image at any cost at the 2nd time of losing a GE.
This would be a very new image and those tory old guards will have slipped further away from the decision making in 10 years time.
Tomorrow I will give you the name of the winner of the 3:15 at Ascot "You could be right, | |||
"2. Show me why an advisory referendum became a law to be enacted. I really don't understand this argument. The referendum bill didn't explicitly say that the result would become law, but plenty of politicians said that they would follow the result. How long do you think any government would last if they asked the populace their opinion, and then just ignored it? And all that comes before you consider that we had a subsequent general election in which the parties laid out their plans on the matter, and the party that was planning Brexit got elected. You can blame Russia, lies, propaganda, racism, ignorance, and all kinds of other things, but arguing that the referendum was only advisory is disingenuous and irrelevant. The bitter remainers will try and find any excuses why they lost This is where we are now, don't care you were lied to and conned, don't care that Brexit is a huge turd sandwich. Only care that you happened to have voted with more people than voted differently to you. No wonder this country is stuck in this downward trajectory. No lies told by the remain campaign I guess? Would you be going on and moaning so much if remain had won.. Up to now Brexit is a massive turd, but it is what you voted for
At least they're honest about brexit being a big steaming turd, their only concern was with voting alongside the majority, regardless of the consequences.
That's a lot better than the people arguing that Brexit was a good idea, the moon is made of cheese or aliens built the pyramids etc.
I agree, I accept thar people didn’t vote for Brexit because it was good for the county but instead it was to annoy the ‘left’ the ‘woke’ and ‘do gooders’ , I admire their honesty
Maybe that's what they refer to when they say 'we won' because as can be seen all over the Internet, they definitely acheived that.
Indeed, imagine being that type of person ? I feel sorry for them, who are they going to blame next for the current state of the country ?
But they're probably laughing, saying 'imagine being one of those people who takes to the Internet daily to whinge'
Like Farage and Richard Tice?
What about them?
They moaned and whinged online before Brexit, and now they haven’t got the Brexit they wanted they continue to moan and whinge . I wish we could find a way to make Brexit just a little bit less shit
What do they have to do with your statement of 'but instead it was to annoy the ‘left’ the ‘woke’ and ‘do gooders’ , I admire their honesty'?
Because they encouraged people to vote for Brexit, maybe you should use Google to find out who they are
I'm well aware of who they are.
I'll ask again, what do rhey have to do with your statement and my reply?
Farage and Tice spend their time online whinging about Brexit
But they are not remainers. I said leavers are probably laughing at remainers whinging on the daily.
It's not hard to understand.
Is it only remainers who have this hypothetical "whinging"?
It's most certainly not hypothetical, but in short the answer is no
Ah, so real whinging about the impact of brexit is different to people whinging about people whinging about the impact of brexit, or is it of equal status/value?
It can only be classed as whinging about Brexit if you are a remain voter, apparently "This is why these threads always go the way they do, I replying to both of you on one post here. Keep on ganging up, or you could at least do people the courtesy of allowing them the opportunity to reply before you try to put words in their mouths  | |||
"You think it's more that, than people changing their minds after seeing that the reality of brexit was pretty much exactly as predicted? There's different interpretations of how much of an impact it has had, it's certainly enough to be a contributing factor but I'd say that the gap between people's perceived benefits of Brexit at the time and what they're seeing now is probably a larger contribution to the change." Interesting | |||
"2. Show me why an advisory referendum became a law to be enacted. I really don't understand this argument. The referendum bill didn't explicitly say that the result would become law, but plenty of politicians said that they would follow the result. How long do you think any government would last if they asked the populace their opinion, and then just ignored it? And all that comes before you consider that we had a subsequent general election in which the parties laid out their plans on the matter, and the party that was planning Brexit got elected. You can blame Russia, lies, propaganda, racism, ignorance, and all kinds of other things, but arguing that the referendum was only advisory is disingenuous and irrelevant. The bitter remainers will try and find any excuses why they lost This is where we are now, don't care you were lied to and conned, don't care that Brexit is a huge turd sandwich. Only care that you happened to have voted with more people than voted differently to you. No wonder this country is stuck in this downward trajectory. No lies told by the remain campaign I guess? Would you be going on and moaning so much if remain had won.. Up to now Brexit is a massive turd, but it is what you voted for
At least they're honest about brexit being a big steaming turd, their only concern was with voting alongside the majority, regardless of the consequences.
That's a lot better than the people arguing that Brexit was a good idea, the moon is made of cheese or aliens built the pyramids etc.
I agree, I accept thar people didn’t vote for Brexit because it was good for the county but instead it was to annoy the ‘left’ the ‘woke’ and ‘do gooders’ , I admire their honesty
Maybe that's what they refer to when they say 'we won' because as can be seen all over the Internet, they definitely acheived that.
Indeed, imagine being that type of person ? I feel sorry for them, who are they going to blame next for the current state of the country ?
But they're probably laughing, saying 'imagine being one of those people who takes to the Internet daily to whinge'
Like Farage and Richard Tice?
What about them?
They moaned and whinged online before Brexit, and now they haven’t got the Brexit they wanted they continue to moan and whinge . I wish we could find a way to make Brexit just a little bit less shit
What do they have to do with your statement of 'but instead it was to annoy the ‘left’ the ‘woke’ and ‘do gooders’ , I admire their honesty'?
Because they encouraged people to vote for Brexit, maybe you should use Google to find out who they are
I'm well aware of who they are.
I'll ask again, what do rhey have to do with your statement and my reply?
Farage and Tice spend their time online whinging about Brexit
But they are not remainers. I said leavers are probably laughing at remainers whinging on the daily.
It's not hard to understand.
Is it only remainers who have this hypothetical "whinging"?
It's most certainly not hypothetical, but in short the answer is no
Ah, so real whinging about the impact of brexit is different to people whinging about people whinging about the impact of brexit, or is it of equal status/value?
It can only be classed as whinging about Brexit if you are a remain voter, apparently
This is why these threads always go the way they do, I replying to both of you on one post here.
Keep on ganging up, or you could at least do people the courtesy of allowing them the opportunity to reply before you try to put words in their mouths "Ganging up? I'm trying to understand more about "whinging" that you brought up. It seems to me that we have two things here. 1. Any discussion of the impact of brexit is labelled "whinging" by people who voted leave. Probably because it's easier than facing up to reality. 2. People whinging about any discussion of brexit taking place. | |||
"2. Show me why an advisory referendum became a law to be enacted. I really don't understand this argument. The referendum bill didn't explicitly say that the result would become law, but plenty of politicians said that they would follow the result. How long do you think any government would last if they asked the populace their opinion, and then just ignored it? And all that comes before you consider that we had a subsequent general election in which the parties laid out their plans on the matter, and the party that was planning Brexit got elected. You can blame Russia, lies, propaganda, racism, ignorance, and all kinds of other things, but arguing that the referendum was only advisory is disingenuous and irrelevant. The bitter remainers will try and find any excuses why they lost This is where we are now, don't care you were lied to and conned, don't care that Brexit is a huge turd sandwich. Only care that you happened to have voted with more people than voted differently to you. No wonder this country is stuck in this downward trajectory. No lies told by the remain campaign I guess? Would you be going on and moaning so much if remain had won.. Up to now Brexit is a massive turd, but it is what you voted for
At least they're honest about brexit being a big steaming turd, their only concern was with voting alongside the majority, regardless of the consequences.
That's a lot better than the people arguing that Brexit was a good idea, the moon is made of cheese or aliens built the pyramids etc.
I agree, I accept thar people didn’t vote for Brexit because it was good for the county but instead it was to annoy the ‘left’ the ‘woke’ and ‘do gooders’ , I admire their honesty
Maybe that's what they refer to when they say 'we won' because as can be seen all over the Internet, they definitely acheived that.
Indeed, imagine being that type of person ? I feel sorry for them, who are they going to blame next for the current state of the country ?
But they're probably laughing, saying 'imagine being one of those people who takes to the Internet daily to whinge'
Like Farage and Richard Tice?
What about them?
They moaned and whinged online before Brexit, and now they haven’t got the Brexit they wanted they continue to moan and whinge . I wish we could find a way to make Brexit just a little bit less shit
What do they have to do with your statement of 'but instead it was to annoy the ‘left’ the ‘woke’ and ‘do gooders’ , I admire their honesty'?
Because they encouraged people to vote for Brexit, maybe you should use Google to find out who they are
I'm well aware of who they are.
I'll ask again, what do rhey have to do with your statement and my reply?
Farage and Tice spend their time online whinging about Brexit
But they are not remainers. I said leavers are probably laughing at remainers whinging on the daily.
It's not hard to understand.
Is it only remainers who have this hypothetical "whinging"?
It's most certainly not hypothetical, but in short the answer is no
Ah, so real whinging about the impact of brexit is different to people whinging about people whinging about the impact of brexit, or is it of equal status/value?
It can only be classed as whinging about Brexit if you are a remain voter, apparently
This is why these threads always go the way they do, I replying to both of you on one post here.
Keep on ganging up, or you could at least do people the courtesy of allowing them the opportunity to reply before you try to put words in their mouths
Ganging up?
I'm trying to understand more about "whinging" that you brought up.
It seems to me that we have two things here.
1. Any discussion of the impact of brexit is labelled "whinging" by people who voted leave. Probably because it's easier than facing up to reality.
2. People whinging about any discussion of brexit taking place."You replied to someone else trying to put words in my mouth? Deny it if you like, it's not a problem. | |||
"2. Show me why an advisory referendum became a law to be enacted. I really don't understand this argument. The referendum bill didn't explicitly say that the result would become law, but plenty of politicians said that they would follow the result. How long do you think any government would last if they asked the populace their opinion, and then just ignored it? And all that comes before you consider that we had a subsequent general election in which the parties laid out their plans on the matter, and the party that was planning Brexit got elected. You can blame Russia, lies, propaganda, racism, ignorance, and all kinds of other things, but arguing that the referendum was only advisory is disingenuous and irrelevant. The bitter remainers will try and find any excuses why they lost This is where we are now, don't care you were lied to and conned, don't care that Brexit is a huge turd sandwich. Only care that you happened to have voted with more people than voted differently to you. No wonder this country is stuck in this downward trajectory. No lies told by the remain campaign I guess? Would you be going on and moaning so much if remain had won.. Up to now Brexit is a massive turd, but it is what you voted for
At least they're honest about brexit being a big steaming turd, their only concern was with voting alongside the majority, regardless of the consequences.
That's a lot better than the people arguing that Brexit was a good idea, the moon is made of cheese or aliens built the pyramids etc.
I agree, I accept thar people didn’t vote for Brexit because it was good for the county but instead it was to annoy the ‘left’ the ‘woke’ and ‘do gooders’ , I admire their honesty
Maybe that's what they refer to when they say 'we won' because as can be seen all over the Internet, they definitely acheived that.
Indeed, imagine being that type of person ? I feel sorry for them, who are they going to blame next for the current state of the country ?
But they're probably laughing, saying 'imagine being one of those people who takes to the Internet daily to whinge'
Like Farage and Richard Tice?
What about them?
They moaned and whinged online before Brexit, and now they haven’t got the Brexit they wanted they continue to moan and whinge . I wish we could find a way to make Brexit just a little bit less shit
What do they have to do with your statement of 'but instead it was to annoy the ‘left’ the ‘woke’ and ‘do gooders’ , I admire their honesty'?
Because they encouraged people to vote for Brexit, maybe you should use Google to find out who they are
I'm well aware of who they are.
I'll ask again, what do rhey have to do with your statement and my reply?
Farage and Tice spend their time online whinging about Brexit
But they are not remainers. I said leavers are probably laughing at remainers whinging on the daily.
It's not hard to understand.
Is it only remainers who have this hypothetical "whinging"?
It's most certainly not hypothetical, but in short the answer is no
Ah, so real whinging about the impact of brexit is different to people whinging about people whinging about the impact of brexit, or is it of equal status/value?
It can only be classed as whinging about Brexit if you are a remain voter, apparently
This is why these threads always go the way they do, I replying to both of you on one post here.
Keep on ganging up, or you could at least do people the courtesy of allowing them the opportunity to reply before you try to put words in their mouths
Ganging up?
I'm trying to understand more about "whinging" that you brought up.
It seems to me that we have two things here.
1. Any discussion of the impact of brexit is labelled "whinging" by people who voted leave. Probably because it's easier than facing up to reality.
2. People whinging about any discussion of brexit taking place.
You replied to someone else trying to put words in my mouth?
Deny it if you like, it's not a problem. "Where did this come from? Did you mix me up with someone else, I just asked a question. | |||
"2. Show me why an advisory referendum became a law to be enacted. I really don't understand this argument. The referendum bill didn't explicitly say that the result would become law, but plenty of politicians said that they would follow the result. How long do you think any government would last if they asked the populace their opinion, and then just ignored it? And all that comes before you consider that we had a subsequent general election in which the parties laid out their plans on the matter, and the party that was planning Brexit got elected. You can blame Russia, lies, propaganda, racism, ignorance, and all kinds of other things, but arguing that the referendum was only advisory is disingenuous and irrelevant. The bitter remainers will try and find any excuses why they lost This is where we are now, don't care you were lied to and conned, don't care that Brexit is a huge turd sandwich. Only care that you happened to have voted with more people than voted differently to you. No wonder this country is stuck in this downward trajectory. No lies told by the remain campaign I guess? Would you be going on and moaning so much if remain had won.. Up to now Brexit is a massive turd, but it is what you voted for
At least they're honest about brexit being a big steaming turd, their only concern was with voting alongside the majority, regardless of the consequences.
That's a lot better than the people arguing that Brexit was a good idea, the moon is made of cheese or aliens built the pyramids etc.
I agree, I accept thar people didn’t vote for Brexit because it was good for the county but instead it was to annoy the ‘left’ the ‘woke’ and ‘do gooders’ , I admire their honesty
Maybe that's what they refer to when they say 'we won' because as can be seen all over the Internet, they definitely acheived that.
Indeed, imagine being that type of person ? I feel sorry for them, who are they going to blame next for the current state of the country ?
But they're probably laughing, saying 'imagine being one of those people who takes to the Internet daily to whinge'
Like Farage and Richard Tice?
What about them?
They moaned and whinged online before Brexit, and now they haven’t got the Brexit they wanted they continue to moan and whinge . I wish we could find a way to make Brexit just a little bit less shit
What do they have to do with your statement of 'but instead it was to annoy the ‘left’ the ‘woke’ and ‘do gooders’ , I admire their honesty'?
Because they encouraged people to vote for Brexit, maybe you should use Google to find out who they are
I'm well aware of who they are.
I'll ask again, what do rhey have to do with your statement and my reply?
Farage and Tice spend their time online whinging about Brexit
But they are not remainers. I said leavers are probably laughing at remainers whinging on the daily.
It's not hard to understand.
Is it only remainers who have this hypothetical "whinging"?
It's most certainly not hypothetical, but in short the answer is no
Ah, so real whinging about the impact of brexit is different to people whinging about people whinging about the impact of brexit, or is it of equal status/value?
It can only be classed as whinging about Brexit if you are a remain voter, apparently
This is why these threads always go the way they do, I replying to both of you on one post here.
Keep on ganging up, or you could at least do people the courtesy of allowing them the opportunity to reply before you try to put words in their mouths
Ganging up?
I'm trying to understand more about "whinging" that you brought up.
It seems to me that we have two things here.
1. Any discussion of the impact of brexit is labelled "whinging" by people who voted leave. Probably because it's easier than facing up to reality.
2. People whinging about any discussion of brexit taking place.
You replied to someone else trying to put words in my mouth?
Deny it if you like, it's not a problem.
Where did this come from?
Did you mix me up with someone else, I just asked a question. "It would appear I did. Apologies, Johnny. (We need a faceplate emoji) | |||
"2. Show me why an advisory referendum became a law to be enacted. I really don't understand this argument. The referendum bill didn't explicitly say that the result would become law, but plenty of politicians said that they would follow the result. How long do you think any government would last if they asked the populace their opinion, and then just ignored it? And all that comes before you consider that we had a subsequent general election in which the parties laid out their plans on the matter, and the party that was planning Brexit got elected. You can blame Russia, lies, propaganda, racism, ignorance, and all kinds of other things, but arguing that the referendum was only advisory is disingenuous and irrelevant. The bitter remainers will try and find any excuses why they lost This is where we are now, don't care you were lied to and conned, don't care that Brexit is a huge turd sandwich. Only care that you happened to have voted with more people than voted differently to you. No wonder this country is stuck in this downward trajectory. No lies told by the remain campaign I guess? Would you be going on and moaning so much if remain had won.. Up to now Brexit is a massive turd, but it is what you voted for
At least they're honest about brexit being a big steaming turd, their only concern was with voting alongside the majority, regardless of the consequences.
That's a lot better than the people arguing that Brexit was a good idea, the moon is made of cheese or aliens built the pyramids etc.
I agree, I accept thar people didn’t vote for Brexit because it was good for the county but instead it was to annoy the ‘left’ the ‘woke’ and ‘do gooders’ , I admire their honesty
Maybe that's what they refer to when they say 'we won' because as can be seen all over the Internet, they definitely acheived that.
Indeed, imagine being that type of person ? I feel sorry for them, who are they going to blame next for the current state of the country ?
But they're probably laughing, saying 'imagine being one of those people who takes to the Internet daily to whinge'
Like Farage and Richard Tice?
What about them?
They moaned and whinged online before Brexit, and now they haven’t got the Brexit they wanted they continue to moan and whinge . I wish we could find a way to make Brexit just a little bit less shit
What do they have to do with your statement of 'but instead it was to annoy the ‘left’ the ‘woke’ and ‘do gooders’ , I admire their honesty'?
Because they encouraged people to vote for Brexit, maybe you should use Google to find out who they are
I'm well aware of who they are.
I'll ask again, what do rhey have to do with your statement and my reply?
Farage and Tice spend their time online whinging about Brexit
But they are not remainers. I said leavers are probably laughing at remainers whinging on the daily.
It's not hard to understand.
Is it only remainers who have this hypothetical "whinging"?
It's most certainly not hypothetical, but in short the answer is no
Ah, so real whinging about the impact of brexit is different to people whinging about people whinging about the impact of brexit, or is it of equal status/value?
It can only be classed as whinging about Brexit if you are a remain voter, apparently
This is why these threads always go the way they do, I replying to both of you on one post here.
Keep on ganging up, or you could at least do people the courtesy of allowing them the opportunity to reply before you try to put words in their mouths
Ganging up?
I'm trying to understand more about "whinging" that you brought up.
It seems to me that we have two things here.
1. Any discussion of the impact of brexit is labelled "whinging" by people who voted leave. Probably because it's easier than facing up to reality.
2. People whinging about any discussion of brexit taking place.
You replied to someone else trying to put words in my mouth?
Deny it if you like, it's not a problem.
Where did this come from?
Did you mix me up with someone else, I just asked a question.
It would appear I did. Apologies, Johnny. (We need a faceplate emoji)"Don't worry. I know I am a pisstaking prick on here with the more ridiculous things I see. But I genuinely don't want to offend anyone. | |||
"2. Show me why an advisory referendum became a law to be enacted. I really don't understand this argument. The referendum bill didn't explicitly say that the result would become law, but plenty of politicians said that they would follow the result. How long do you think any government would last if they asked the populace their opinion, and then just ignored it? And all that comes before you consider that we had a subsequent general election in which the parties laid out their plans on the matter, and the party that was planning Brexit got elected. You can blame Russia, lies, propaganda, racism, ignorance, and all kinds of other things, but arguing that the referendum was only advisory is disingenuous and irrelevant. The bitter remainers will try and find any excuses why they lost This is where we are now, don't care you were lied to and conned, don't care that Brexit is a huge turd sandwich. Only care that you happened to have voted with more people than voted differently to you. No wonder this country is stuck in this downward trajectory. No lies told by the remain campaign I guess? Would you be going on and moaning so much if remain had won.. Up to now Brexit is a massive turd, but it is what you voted for
At least they're honest about brexit being a big steaming turd, their only concern was with voting alongside the majority, regardless of the consequences.
That's a lot better than the people arguing that Brexit was a good idea, the moon is made of cheese or aliens built the pyramids etc.
I agree, I accept thar people didn’t vote for Brexit because it was good for the county but instead it was to annoy the ‘left’ the ‘woke’ and ‘do gooders’ , I admire their honesty
Maybe that's what they refer to when they say 'we won' because as can be seen all over the Internet, they definitely acheived that.
Indeed, imagine being that type of person ? I feel sorry for them, who are they going to blame next for the current state of the country ?
But they're probably laughing, saying 'imagine being one of those people who takes to the Internet daily to whinge'
Like Farage and Richard Tice?
What about them?
They moaned and whinged online before Brexit, and now they haven’t got the Brexit they wanted they continue to moan and whinge . I wish we could find a way to make Brexit just a little bit less shit
What do they have to do with your statement of 'but instead it was to annoy the ‘left’ the ‘woke’ and ‘do gooders’ , I admire their honesty'?
Because they encouraged people to vote for Brexit, maybe you should use Google to find out who they are
I'm well aware of who they are.
I'll ask again, what do rhey have to do with your statement and my reply?
Farage and Tice spend their time online whinging about Brexit
But they are not remainers. I said leavers are probably laughing at remainers whinging on the daily.
It's not hard to understand.
Is it only remainers who have this hypothetical "whinging"?
It's most certainly not hypothetical, but in short the answer is no
Ah, so real whinging about the impact of brexit is different to people whinging about people whinging about the impact of brexit, or is it of equal status/value?
It can only be classed as whinging about Brexit if you are a remain voter, apparently
This is why these threads always go the way they do, I replying to both of you on one post here.
Keep on ganging up, or you could at least do people the courtesy of allowing them the opportunity to reply before you try to put words in their mouths
Ganging up?
I'm trying to understand more about "whinging" that you brought up.
It seems to me that we have two things here.
1. Any discussion of the impact of brexit is labelled "whinging" by people who voted leave. Probably because it's easier than facing up to reality.
2. People whinging about any discussion of brexit taking place.
You replied to someone else trying to put words in my mouth?
Deny it if you like, it's not a problem.
Where did this come from?
Did you mix me up with someone else, I just asked a question.
It would appear I did. Apologies, Johnny. (We need a faceplate emoji)
Don't worry.
I know I am a pisstaking prick on here with the more ridiculous things I see. But I genuinely don't want to offend anyone. "I'm not offended by anything on here. I'd say more frustrated that a lot of these threads turn out the same way. It diminishes genuine discussion. | |||
"2. Show me why an advisory referendum became a law to be enacted. I really don't understand this argument. The referendum bill didn't explicitly say that the result would become law, but plenty of politicians said that they would follow the result. How long do you think any government would last if they asked the populace their opinion, and then just ignored it? And all that comes before you consider that we had a subsequent general election in which the parties laid out their plans on the matter, and the party that was planning Brexit got elected. You can blame Russia, lies, propaganda, racism, ignorance, and all kinds of other things, but arguing that the referendum was only advisory is disingenuous and irrelevant. The bitter remainers will try and find any excuses why they lost This is where we are now, don't care you were lied to and conned, don't care that Brexit is a huge turd sandwich. Only care that you happened to have voted with more people than voted differently to you. No wonder this country is stuck in this downward trajectory. No lies told by the remain campaign I guess? Would you be going on and moaning so much if remain had won.. Up to now Brexit is a massive turd, but it is what you voted for
At least they're honest about brexit being a big steaming turd, their only concern was with voting alongside the majority, regardless of the consequences.
That's a lot better than the people arguing that Brexit was a good idea, the moon is made of cheese or aliens built the pyramids etc.
I agree, I accept thar people didn’t vote for Brexit because it was good for the county but instead it was to annoy the ‘left’ the ‘woke’ and ‘do gooders’ , I admire their honesty
Maybe that's what they refer to when they say 'we won' because as can be seen all over the Internet, they definitely acheived that.
Indeed, imagine being that type of person ? I feel sorry for them, who are they going to blame next for the current state of the country ? "We know. Immigrants. The unions. Also, still the EU. | |||
"2. Show me why an advisory referendum became a law to be enacted. I really don't understand this argument. The referendum bill didn't explicitly say that the result would become law, but plenty of politicians said that they would follow the result. How long do you think any government would last if they asked the populace their opinion, and then just ignored it? And all that comes before you consider that we had a subsequent general election in which the parties laid out their plans on the matter, and the party that was planning Brexit got elected. You can blame Russia, lies, propaganda, racism, ignorance, and all kinds of other things, but arguing that the referendum was only advisory is disingenuous and irrelevant. The bitter remainers will try and find any excuses why they lost This is where we are now, don't care you were lied to and conned, don't care that Brexit is a huge turd sandwich. Only care that you happened to have voted with more people than voted differently to you. No wonder this country is stuck in this downward trajectory. No lies told by the remain campaign I guess? Would you be going on and moaning so much if remain had won.. Up to now Brexit is a massive turd, but it is what you voted for
At least they're honest about brexit being a big steaming turd, their only concern was with voting alongside the majority, regardless of the consequences.
That's a lot better than the people arguing that Brexit was a good idea, the moon is made of cheese or aliens built the pyramids etc.
I agree, I accept thar people didn’t vote for Brexit because it was good for the county but instead it was to annoy the ‘left’ the ‘woke’ and ‘do gooders’ , I admire their honesty
Maybe that's what they refer to when they say 'we won' because as can be seen all over the Internet, they definitely acheived that.
Indeed, imagine being that type of person ? I feel sorry for them, who are they going to blame next for the current state of the country ?
But they're probably laughing, saying 'imagine being one of those people who takes to the Internet daily to whinge'
Like Farage and Richard Tice?
What about them?
They moaned and whinged online before Brexit, and now they haven’t got the Brexit they wanted they continue to moan and whinge . I wish we could find a way to make Brexit just a little bit less shit
What do they have to do with your statement of 'but instead it was to annoy the ‘left’ the ‘woke’ and ‘do gooders’ , I admire their honesty'?
Because they encouraged people to vote for Brexit, maybe you should use Google to find out who they are
I'm well aware of who they are.
I'll ask again, what do rhey have to do with your statement and my reply?
Farage and Tice spend their time online whinging about Brexit
But they are not remainers. I said leavers are probably laughing at remainers whinging on the daily.
It's not hard to understand.
Is it only remainers who have this hypothetical "whinging"?
It's most certainly not hypothetical, but in short the answer is no
Ah, so real whinging about the impact of brexit is different to people whinging about people whinging about the impact of brexit, or is it of equal status/value?
It can only be classed as whinging about Brexit if you are a remain voter, apparently
This is why these threads always go the way they do, I replying to both of you on one post here.
Keep on ganging up, or you could at least do people the courtesy of allowing them the opportunity to reply before you try to put words in their mouths
Ganging up?
I'm trying to understand more about "whinging" that you brought up.
It seems to me that we have two things here.
1. Any discussion of the impact of brexit is labelled "whinging" by people who voted leave. Probably because it's easier than facing up to reality.
2. People whinging about any discussion of brexit taking place.
You replied to someone else trying to put words in my mouth?
Deny it if you like, it's not a problem.
Where did this come from?
Did you mix me up with someone else, I just asked a question.
It would appear I did. Apologies, Johnny. (We need a faceplate emoji)
Don't worry.
I know I am a pisstaking prick on here with the more ridiculous things I see. But I genuinely don't want to offend anyone.
I'm not offended by anything on here. I'd say more frustrated that a lot of these threads turn out the same way. It diminishes genuine discussion."I do like genuine discussion. I take the piss when someone says they don't care about the impact of brexit, they only care about voting with the majority of people. And I too get frustrated with the often endless semantic nonsense that sometimes goes on. | |||
"It was interesting to learn the new term "demographic metabolism", basically the churn within the age group cohorts as older voters die and young people start being able to vote. The Brexit vote was very polarised at the two most extreme age groups, so some of the shift being reported is due to older voters, who formed a considerable rump of Leave voters and also are far more likely to have responded that they have no regrets, dying and being replaced by younger voters who did/would have been most likely to vote Remain and view Brexit as a mistake." Blimey this thread got long! Going back to this post... I find it fascinating and frustrating in equal measure that leave voters indexed higher in older age groups and remain voters indexed higher in younger age groups. It is almost as if the older people didn’t care what happened in the future as they would not be part of it or affected by it whereas younger people were concerned about their future as they still had many years ahead of them! Thanks boomers! That generation has seen unprecedented growth (not all but many) in wealth (asset rich in particular) and enjoyed freedoms and a lifestyle they then wanted to deny to future generations. Not sure what to make of it really other than think “selfish pricks” | |||
"It was interesting to learn the new term "demographic metabolism", basically the churn within the age group cohorts as older voters die and young people start being able to vote. The Brexit vote was very polarised at the two most extreme age groups, so some of the shift being reported is due to older voters, who formed a considerable rump of Leave voters and also are far more likely to have responded that they have no regrets, dying and being replaced by younger voters who did/would have been most likely to vote Remain and view Brexit as a mistake. Blimey this thread got long! Going back to this post... I find it fascinating and frustrating in equal measure that leave voters indexed higher in older age groups and remain voters indexed higher in younger age groups. It is almost as if the older people didn’t care what happened in the future as they would not be part of it or affected by it whereas younger people were concerned about their future as they still had many years ahead of them! Thanks boomers! That generation has seen unprecedented growth (not all but many) in wealth (asset rich in particular) and enjoyed freedoms and a lifestyle they then wanted to deny to future generations. Not sure what to make of it really other than think “selfish pricks”" The position on climate change splits similarly. For older people it is an inconvenience and a cost now. For younger people it's their future. | |||
"It was interesting to learn the new term "demographic metabolism", basically the churn within the age group cohorts as older voters die and young people start being able to vote. The Brexit vote was very polarised at the two most extreme age groups, so some of the shift being reported is due to older voters, who formed a considerable rump of Leave voters and also are far more likely to have responded that they have no regrets, dying and being replaced by younger voters who did/would have been most likely to vote Remain and view Brexit as a mistake. Blimey this thread got long! Going back to this post... I find it fascinating and frustrating in equal measure that leave voters indexed higher in older age groups and remain voters indexed higher in younger age groups. It is almost as if the older people didn’t care what happened in the future as they would not be part of it or affected by it whereas younger people were concerned about their future as they still had many years ahead of them! Thanks boomers! That generation has seen unprecedented growth (not all but many) in wealth (asset rich in particular) and enjoyed freedoms and a lifestyle they then wanted to deny to future generations. Not sure what to make of it really other than think “selfish pricks”" Island mentality from the older generations and younger generations don't see imaginary borders so clearly. I think the world became bigger for the older generations with the internet and easy travel becoming part of every day life. The younger generations take is as normal life and with exposure too many different cultures and experiences, it makes sense to me that they would want to be part of something bigger. | |||
"It was interesting to learn the new term "demographic metabolism", basically the churn within the age group cohorts as older voters die and young people start being able to vote. The Brexit vote was very polarised at the two most extreme age groups, so some of the shift being reported is due to older voters, who formed a considerable rump of Leave voters and also are far more likely to have responded that they have no regrets, dying and being replaced by younger voters who did/would have been most likely to vote Remain and view Brexit as a mistake. Blimey this thread got long! Going back to this post... I find it fascinating and frustrating in equal measure that leave voters indexed higher in older age groups and remain voters indexed higher in younger age groups. It is almost as if the older people didn’t care what happened in the future as they would not be part of it or affected by it whereas younger people were concerned about their future as they still had many years ahead of them! Thanks boomers! That generation has seen unprecedented growth (not all but many) in wealth (asset rich in particular) and enjoyed freedoms and a lifestyle they then wanted to deny to future generations. Not sure what to make of it really other than think “selfish pricks” Island mentality from the older generations and younger generations don't see imaginary borders so clearly. I think the world became bigger for the older generations with the internet and easy travel becoming part of every day life. The younger generations take is as normal life and with exposure too many different cultures and experiences, it makes sense to me that they would want to be part of something bigger. " Yep and (generalising here as clearly not all “older” people) many people as they get older view the past with rose coloured spectacles. The nostalgia for days when you were more carefree as a child/teen clouds the reality of life and any hardships that may have been endured. Indeed if you are lucky your parents (in this case the war generation) would have protected/sheltered you from reality AND on top of that the post war years were clearly better than what came before. Many boomers equate that to “it was better back then” when in many ways it clearly wasn’t! | |||
"It was interesting to learn the new term "demographic metabolism", basically the churn within the age group cohorts as older voters die and young people start being able to vote. The Brexit vote was very polarised at the two most extreme age groups, so some of the shift being reported is due to older voters, who formed a considerable rump of Leave voters and also are far more likely to have responded that they have no regrets, dying and being replaced by younger voters who did/would have been most likely to vote Remain and view Brexit as a mistake. Blimey this thread got long! Going back to this post... I find it fascinating and frustrating in equal measure that leave voters indexed higher in older age groups and remain voters indexed higher in younger age groups. It is almost as if the older people didn’t care what happened in the future as they would not be part of it or affected by it whereas younger people were concerned about their future as they still had many years ahead of them! Thanks boomers! That generation has seen unprecedented growth (not all but many) in wealth (asset rich in particular) and enjoyed freedoms and a lifestyle they then wanted to deny to future generations. Not sure what to make of it really other than think “selfish pricks” Island mentality from the older generations and younger generations don't see imaginary borders so clearly. I think the world became bigger for the older generations with the internet and easy travel becoming part of every day life. The younger generations take is as normal life and with exposure too many different cultures and experiences, it makes sense to me that they would want to be part of something bigger. " I hope you're right. It sounds hopeful for the future. I'm not so sure, there seems like plenty of people on here who aren't in the older or retired age group who think that climate science isn't real, brexit is a good idea, and that foreigners are to blame for their woes. | |||
"It was interesting to learn the new term "demographic metabolism", basically the churn within the age group cohorts as older voters die and young people start being able to vote. The Brexit vote was very polarised at the two most extreme age groups, so some of the shift being reported is due to older voters, who formed a considerable rump of Leave voters and also are far more likely to have responded that they have no regrets, dying and being replaced by younger voters who did/would have been most likely to vote Remain and view Brexit as a mistake. Blimey this thread got long! Going back to this post... I find it fascinating and frustrating in equal measure that leave voters indexed higher in older age groups and remain voters indexed higher in younger age groups. It is almost as if the older people didn’t care what happened in the future as they would not be part of it or affected by it whereas younger people were concerned about their future as they still had many years ahead of them! Thanks boomers! That generation has seen unprecedented growth (not all but many) in wealth (asset rich in particular) and enjoyed freedoms and a lifestyle they then wanted to deny to future generations. Not sure what to make of it really other than think “selfish pricks” Island mentality from the older generations and younger generations don't see imaginary borders so clearly. I think the world became bigger for the older generations with the internet and easy travel becoming part of every day life. The younger generations take is as normal life and with exposure too many different cultures and experiences, it makes sense to me that they would want to be part of something bigger. I hope you're right. It sounds hopeful for the future. I'm not so sure, there seems like plenty of people on here who aren't in the older or retired age group who think that climate science isn't real, brexit is a good idea, and that foreigners are to blame for their woes. " There will be many young people that have soaked up their families unique take on how life should be.... The positive here is time waters down such memories and ideas
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"It was interesting to learn the new term "demographic metabolism", basically the churn within the age group cohorts as older voters die and young people start being able to vote. The Brexit vote was very polarised at the two most extreme age groups, so some of the shift being reported is due to older voters, who formed a considerable rump of Leave voters and also are far more likely to have responded that they have no regrets, dying and being replaced by younger voters who did/would have been most likely to vote Remain and view Brexit as a mistake. Blimey this thread got long! Going back to this post... I find it fascinating and frustrating in equal measure that leave voters indexed higher in older age groups and remain voters indexed higher in younger age groups. It is almost as if the older people didn’t care what happened in the future as they would not be part of it or affected by it whereas younger people were concerned about their future as they still had many years ahead of them! Thanks boomers! That generation has seen unprecedented growth (not all but many) in wealth (asset rich in particular) and enjoyed freedoms and a lifestyle they then wanted to deny to future generations. Not sure what to make of it really other than think “selfish pricks” Island mentality from the older generations and younger generations don't see imaginary borders so clearly. I think the world became bigger for the older generations with the internet and easy travel becoming part of every day life. The younger generations take is as normal life and with exposure too many different cultures and experiences, it makes sense to me that they would want to be part of something bigger. I hope you're right. It sounds hopeful for the future. I'm not so sure, there seems like plenty of people on here who aren't in the older or retired age group who think that climate science isn't real, brexit is a good idea, and that foreigners are to blame for their woes. " Again generalising but younger people tend to also over index with left wing views and older people over index with right wing views. In other words we (using the term “we” loosely) get more conservative (small “c”) the older we get. That is because we want to keep/protect/conserve the things we have to maintain the life we have. Younger people have less things and are therefore able to be more idealistic. However, I sense a shift from that. People are increasingly angry and resentful of others. We are bombarded by “lifestylers” on social media, and MSM. There is ever increasing FOMO and that is driving things like the Incel mindset. Right now we have a cost of living crisis worse than at any time since WWII and yet on TV there are shows about billionaire lifestyles, most expensive/exclusive hotels, most expensive houses in Britain, posh pawn, Made in Chelsea etc etc. People are asking “why can’t I have that, who is stopping me” and in some cases they are coming to the conclusion it is immigrants! We have very similar conditions to the 1920s/30s that saw the rise of fascism. I think we live in dangerous times! | |||
"It was interesting to learn the new term "demographic metabolism", basically the churn within the age group cohorts as older voters die and young people start being able to vote. The Brexit vote was very polarised at the two most extreme age groups, so some of the shift being reported is due to older voters, who formed a considerable rump of Leave voters and also are far more likely to have responded that they have no regrets, dying and being replaced by younger voters who did/would have been most likely to vote Remain and view Brexit as a mistake. Blimey this thread got long! Going back to this post... I find it fascinating and frustrating in equal measure that leave voters indexed higher in older age groups and remain voters indexed higher in younger age groups. It is almost as if the older people didn’t care what happened in the future as they would not be part of it or affected by it whereas younger people were concerned about their future as they still had many years ahead of them! Thanks boomers! That generation has seen unprecedented growth (not all but many) in wealth (asset rich in particular) and enjoyed freedoms and a lifestyle they then wanted to deny to future generations. Not sure what to make of it really other than think “selfish pricks” Island mentality from the older generations and younger generations don't see imaginary borders so clearly. I think the world became bigger for the older generations with the internet and easy travel becoming part of every day life. The younger generations take is as normal life and with exposure too many different cultures and experiences, it makes sense to me that they would want to be part of something bigger. I hope you're right. It sounds hopeful for the future. I'm not so sure, there seems like plenty of people on here who aren't in the older or retired age group who think that climate science isn't real, brexit is a good idea, and that foreigners are to blame for their woes. Again generalising but younger people tend to also over index with left wing views and older people over index with right wing views. In other words we (using the term “we” loosely) get more conservative (small “c”) the older we get. That is because we want to keep/protect/conserve the things we have to maintain the life we have. Younger people have less things and are therefore able to be more idealistic. However, I sense a shift from that. People are increasingly angry and resentful of others. We are bombarded by “lifestylers” on social media, and MSM. There is ever increasing FOMO and that is driving things like the Incel mindset. Right now we have a cost of living crisis worse than at any time since WWII and yet on TV there are shows about billionaire lifestyles, most expensive/exclusive hotels, most expensive houses in Britain, posh pawn, Made in Chelsea etc etc. People are asking “why can’t I have that, who is stopping me” and in some cases they are coming to the conclusion it is immigrants! We have very similar conditions to the 1920s/30s that saw the rise of fascism. I think we live in dangerous times!" Some great points here
Side note, I was really disappointed with Posh Pawn, not what I was expecting at all  | |||
"It was interesting to learn the new term "demographic metabolism", basically the churn within the age group cohorts as older voters die and young people start being able to vote. The Brexit vote was very polarised at the two most extreme age groups, so some of the shift being reported is due to older voters, who formed a considerable rump of Leave voters and also are far more likely to have responded that they have no regrets, dying and being replaced by younger voters who did/would have been most likely to vote Remain and view Brexit as a mistake. Blimey this thread got long! Going back to this post... I find it fascinating and frustrating in equal measure that leave voters indexed higher in older age groups and remain voters indexed higher in younger age groups. It is almost as if the older people didn’t care what happened in the future as they would not be part of it or affected by it whereas younger people were concerned about their future as they still had many years ahead of them! Thanks boomers! That generation has seen unprecedented growth (not all but many) in wealth (asset rich in particular) and enjoyed freedoms and a lifestyle they then wanted to deny to future generations. Not sure what to make of it really other than think “selfish pricks” Island mentality from the older generations and younger generations don't see imaginary borders so clearly. I think the world became bigger for the older generations with the internet and easy travel becoming part of every day life. The younger generations take is as normal life and with exposure too many different cultures and experiences, it makes sense to me that they would want to be part of something bigger. I hope you're right. It sounds hopeful for the future. I'm not so sure, there seems like plenty of people on here who aren't in the older or retired age group who think that climate science isn't real, brexit is a good idea, and that foreigners are to blame for their woes. Again generalising but younger people tend to also over index with left wing views and older people over index with right wing views. In other words we (using the term “we” loosely) get more conservative (small “c”) the older we get. That is because we want to keep/protect/conserve the things we have to maintain the life we have. Younger people have less things and are therefore able to be more idealistic. However, I sense a shift from that. People are increasingly angry and resentful of others. We are bombarded by “lifestylers” on social media, and MSM. There is ever increasing FOMO and that is driving things like the Incel mindset. Right now we have a cost of living crisis worse than at any time since WWII and yet on TV there are shows about billionaire lifestyles, most expensive/exclusive hotels, most expensive houses in Britain, posh pawn, Made in Chelsea etc etc. People are asking “why can’t I have that, who is stopping me” and in some cases they are coming to the conclusion it is immigrants! We have very similar conditions to the 1920s/30s that saw the rise of fascism. I think we live in dangerous times!" Dangerous times when politician's lie and conspire to a nation. Edward heath comes to mind. Some people have long memories and remember what was presented at the time and wanted out.  | |||
"It was interesting to learn the new term "demographic metabolism", basically the churn within the age group cohorts as older voters die and young people start being able to vote. The Brexit vote was very polarised at the two most extreme age groups, so some of the shift being reported is due to older voters, who formed a considerable rump of Leave voters and also are far more likely to have responded that they have no regrets, dying and being replaced by younger voters who did/would have been most likely to vote Remain and view Brexit as a mistake. Blimey this thread got long! Going back to this post... I find it fascinating and frustrating in equal measure that leave voters indexed higher in older age groups and remain voters indexed higher in younger age groups. It is almost as if the older people didn’t care what happened in the future as they would not be part of it or affected by it whereas younger people were concerned about their future as they still had many years ahead of them! Thanks boomers! That generation has seen unprecedented growth (not all but many) in wealth (asset rich in particular) and enjoyed freedoms and a lifestyle they then wanted to deny to future generations. Not sure what to make of it really other than think “selfish pricks” Island mentality from the older generations and younger generations don't see imaginary borders so clearly. I think the world became bigger for the older generations with the internet and easy travel becoming part of every day life. The younger generations take is as normal life and with exposure too many different cultures and experiences, it makes sense to me that they would want to be part of something bigger. I hope you're right. It sounds hopeful for the future. I'm not so sure, there seems like plenty of people on here who aren't in the older or retired age group who think that climate science isn't real, brexit is a good idea, and that foreigners are to blame for their woes. Again generalising but younger people tend to also over index with left wing views and older people over index with right wing views. In other words we (using the term “we” loosely) get more conservative (small “c”) the older we get. That is because we want to keep/protect/conserve the things we have to maintain the life we have. Younger people have less things and are therefore able to be more idealistic. However, I sense a shift from that. People are increasingly angry and resentful of others. We are bombarded by “lifestylers” on social media, and MSM. There is ever increasing FOMO and that is driving things like the Incel mindset. Right now we have a cost of living crisis worse than at any time since WWII and yet on TV there are shows about billionaire lifestyles, most expensive/exclusive hotels, most expensive houses in Britain, posh pawn, Made in Chelsea etc etc. People are asking “why can’t I have that, who is stopping me” and in some cases they are coming to the conclusion it is immigrants! We have very similar conditions to the 1920s/30s that saw the rise of fascism. I think we live in dangerous times! Some great points here
Side note, I was really disappointed with Posh Pawn, not what I was expecting at all "Imagine how the chap with a crustacean fetish felt! | |||
"It was interesting to learn the new term "demographic metabolism", basically the churn within the age group cohorts as older voters die and young people start being able to vote. The Brexit vote was very polarised at the two most extreme age groups, so some of the shift being reported is due to older voters, who formed a considerable rump of Leave voters and also are far more likely to have responded that they have no regrets, dying and being replaced by younger voters who did/would have been most likely to vote Remain and view Brexit as a mistake. Blimey this thread got long! Going back to this post... I find it fascinating and frustrating in equal measure that leave voters indexed higher in older age groups and remain voters indexed higher in younger age groups. It is almost as if the older people didn’t care what happened in the future as they would not be part of it or affected by it whereas younger people were concerned about their future as they still had many years ahead of them! Thanks boomers! That generation has seen unprecedented growth (not all but many) in wealth (asset rich in particular) and enjoyed freedoms and a lifestyle they then wanted to deny to future generations. Not sure what to make of it really other than think “selfish pricks” Island mentality from the older generations and younger generations don't see imaginary borders so clearly. I think the world became bigger for the older generations with the internet and easy travel becoming part of every day life. The younger generations take is as normal life and with exposure too many different cultures and experiences, it makes sense to me that they would want to be part of something bigger. I hope you're right. It sounds hopeful for the future. I'm not so sure, there seems like plenty of people on here who aren't in the older or retired age group who think that climate science isn't real, brexit is a good idea, and that foreigners are to blame for their woes. Again generalising but younger people tend to also over index with left wing views and older people over index with right wing views. In other words we (using the term “we” loosely) get more conservative (small “c”) the older we get. That is because we want to keep/protect/conserve the things we have to maintain the life we have. Younger people have less things and are therefore able to be more idealistic. However, I sense a shift from that. People are increasingly angry and resentful of others. We are bombarded by “lifestylers” on social media, and MSM. There is ever increasing FOMO and that is driving things like the Incel mindset. Right now we have a cost of living crisis worse than at any time since WWII and yet on TV there are shows about billionaire lifestyles, most expensive/exclusive hotels, most expensive houses in Britain, posh pawn, Made in Chelsea etc etc. People are asking “why can’t I have that, who is stopping me” and in some cases they are coming to the conclusion it is immigrants! We have very similar conditions to the 1920s/30s that saw the rise of fascism. I think we live in dangerous times! Dangerous times when politician's lie and conspire to a nation. Edward heath comes to mind. Some people have long memories and remember what was presented at the time and wanted out. "But what about being in the EU was actually really bad and detrimental to those people’s lives? Reality not perception? These boomers have seen unprecedented economic growth over that period that many of them have benefitted from (more than any other generation). The UK went from being the sick man of Europe to an economic powerhouse. Yet these people didn’t make the connection with our membership of the EU. | |||
"It was interesting to learn the new term "demographic metabolism", basically the churn within the age group cohorts as older voters die and young people start being able to vote. The Brexit vote was very polarised at the two most extreme age groups, so some of the shift being reported is due to older voters, who formed a considerable rump of Leave voters and also are far more likely to have responded that they have no regrets, dying and being replaced by younger voters who did/would have been most likely to vote Remain and view Brexit as a mistake. Blimey this thread got long! Going back to this post... I find it fascinating and frustrating in equal measure that leave voters indexed higher in older age groups and remain voters indexed higher in younger age groups. It is almost as if the older people didn’t care what happened in the future as they would not be part of it or affected by it whereas younger people were concerned about their future as they still had many years ahead of them! Thanks boomers! That generation has seen unprecedented growth (not all but many) in wealth (asset rich in particular) and enjoyed freedoms and a lifestyle they then wanted to deny to future generations. Not sure what to make of it really other than think “selfish pricks” Island mentality from the older generations and younger generations don't see imaginary borders so clearly. I think the world became bigger for the older generations with the internet and easy travel becoming part of every day life. The younger generations take is as normal life and with exposure too many different cultures and experiences, it makes sense to me that they would want to be part of something bigger. I hope you're right. It sounds hopeful for the future. I'm not so sure, there seems like plenty of people on here who aren't in the older or retired age group who think that climate science isn't real, brexit is a good idea, and that foreigners are to blame for their woes. Again generalising but younger people tend to also over index with left wing views and older people over index with right wing views. In other words we (using the term “we” loosely) get more conservative (small “c”) the older we get. That is because we want to keep/protect/conserve the things we have to maintain the life we have. Younger people have less things and are therefore able to be more idealistic. However, I sense a shift from that. People are increasingly angry and resentful of others. We are bombarded by “lifestylers” on social media, and MSM. There is ever increasing FOMO and that is driving things like the Incel mindset. Right now we have a cost of living crisis worse than at any time since WWII and yet on TV there are shows about billionaire lifestyles, most expensive/exclusive hotels, most expensive houses in Britain, posh pawn, Made in Chelsea etc etc. People are asking “why can’t I have that, who is stopping me” and in some cases they are coming to the conclusion it is immigrants! We have very similar conditions to the 1920s/30s that saw the rise of fascism. I think we live in dangerous times! Some great points here
Side note, I was really disappointed with Posh Pawn, not what I was expecting at all
Imagine how the chap with a crustacean fetish felt! " | |||
"It was interesting to learn the new term "demographic metabolism", basically the churn within the age group cohorts as older voters die and young people start being able to vote. The Brexit vote was very polarised at the two most extreme age groups, so some of the shift being reported is due to older voters, who formed a considerable rump of Leave voters and also are far more likely to have responded that they have no regrets, dying and being replaced by younger voters who did/would have been most likely to vote Remain and view Brexit as a mistake. Blimey this thread got long! Going back to this post... I find it fascinating and frustrating in equal measure that leave voters indexed higher in older age groups and remain voters indexed higher in younger age groups. It is almost as if the older people didn’t care what happened in the future as they would not be part of it or affected by it whereas younger people were concerned about their future as they still had many years ahead of them! Thanks boomers! That generation has seen unprecedented growth (not all but many) in wealth (asset rich in particular) and enjoyed freedoms and a lifestyle they then wanted to deny to future generations. Not sure what to make of it really other than think “selfish pricks” Island mentality from the older generations and younger generations don't see imaginary borders so clearly. I think the world became bigger for the older generations with the internet and easy travel becoming part of every day life. The younger generations take is as normal life and with exposure too many different cultures and experiences, it makes sense to me that they would want to be part of something bigger. I hope you're right. It sounds hopeful for the future. I'm not so sure, there seems like plenty of people on here who aren't in the older or retired age group who think that climate science isn't real, brexit is a good idea, and that foreigners are to blame for their woes. Again generalising but younger people tend to also over index with left wing views and older people over index with right wing views. In other words we (using the term “we” loosely) get more conservative (small “c”) the older we get. That is because we want to keep/protect/conserve the things we have to maintain the life we have. Younger people have less things and are therefore able to be more idealistic. However, I sense a shift from that. People are increasingly angry and resentful of others. We are bombarded by “lifestylers” on social media, and MSM. There is ever increasing FOMO and that is driving things like the Incel mindset. Right now we have a cost of living crisis worse than at any time since WWII and yet on TV there are shows about billionaire lifestyles, most expensive/exclusive hotels, most expensive houses in Britain, posh pawn, Made in Chelsea etc etc. People are asking “why can’t I have that, who is stopping me” and in some cases they are coming to the conclusion it is immigrants! We have very similar conditions to the 1920s/30s that saw the rise of fascism. I think we live in dangerous times! Dangerous times when politician's lie and conspire to a nation. Edward heath comes to mind. Some people have long memories and remember what was presented at the time and wanted out.
But what about being in the EU was actually really bad and detrimental to those people’s lives? Reality not perception?
These boomers have seen unprecedented economic growth over that period that many of them have benefitted from (more than any other generation). The UK went from being the sick man of Europe to an economic powerhouse. Yet these people didn’t make the connection with our membership of the EU. "Ah the good old days! We could have curved bananas and mars bars didn't need to be made on mars. Our laws were our laws, non of those EU lot telling us we couldn't convict people on looks alone. They messed with our vegetables and meat, never tasted the same after joining the EU. I liked a lb of something and I loved doing fractions of things. We had some lovely long evenings in the dark, it was a little cold but we were made of lard back then. We sang songs and really bonded as a family, well we would have done if my dad hadn't insisted I was poof for wanting a bit of love, and getting the inevitable beating after the 8th pint of double diamond. How we miss those days, now lets get back to days gone by and make Britain great again | |||
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"“The UK is only major economy that will reduce in 2023” the IMF. Cause? Brexit. So much winning!" Did the IMF report actually mention Brexit? | |||
"“The UK is only major economy that will reduce in 2023” the IMF. Cause? Brexit. So much winning! Did the IMF report actually mention Brexit?" Not that I seen from the BBC article. It did mention our reliance on LNG. | |||
"“The UK is only major economy that will reduce in 2023” the IMF. Cause? Brexit. So much winning! Did the IMF report actually mention Brexit?" Why would it? There are two things that are unique to the U.K. in that list. A Conservative Government and Brexit. Each country of course has its own unique features but no others effectively put economic sanctions on themself in the cause of an ideological fantasy. | |||
"“The UK is only major economy that will reduce in 2023” the IMF. Cause? Brexit. So much winning! Did the IMF report actually mention Brexit?" It really doesn’t take an economics genius to understand cause, correlation, effect. If it isn’t Brexit then what is it? What other thing has permanently impacted the UK economy to reduce GDP by 4%? That denies HMT over £40bn a year minimum. | |||
"“The UK is only major economy that will reduce in 2023” the IMF. Cause? Brexit. So much winning! Did the IMF report actually mention Brexit? Why would it? There are two things that are unique to the U.K. in that list. A Conservative Government and Brexit. Each country of course has its own unique features but no others effectively put economic sanctions on themself in the cause of an ideological fantasy." "economic sanctions" | |||
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"Think if one of the big parties were to admit brexit was a big mistake and were to say, we will aim to take us back in to the EU. Think it would be a good vote winner with what the polls are saying. As you here so many companies complaining about the red tape involed now and would solve the Northern Ireland issue with the protocol. " I genuinely don't think that would be a vote winner. Most people are now aware that we won't be going back into the EU anytime soon. A promise to negotiate something for us to join the common market would be a vote winner I think. | |||
"Think if one of the big parties were to admit brexit was a big mistake and were to say, we will aim to take us back in to the EU. Think it would be a good vote winner with what the polls are saying. As you here so many companies complaining about the red tape involed now and would solve the Northern Ireland issue with the protocol. I genuinely don't think that would be a vote winner. Most people are now aware that we won't be going back into the EU anytime soon. A promise to negotiate something for us to join the common market would be a vote winner I think." Agree! Much to my bemusement and disappointment the UK left the EU. We cannot flip flop around and play the hokey y. The EU are unlikely to welcome us back unconditionally and our previous very sweet deal will never be back on the table. What I want is admission it is shit and commitment to do everything we can to make it less shit and not closing the door to a potential future where we might rejoin. | |||
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"Think if one of the big parties were to admit brexit was a big mistake and were to say, we will aim to take us back in to the EU. Think it would be a good vote winner with what the polls are saying. As you here so many companies complaining about the red tape involed now and would solve the Northern Ireland issue with the protocol. I genuinely don't think that would be a vote winner. Most people are now aware that we won't be going back into the EU anytime soon. A promise to negotiate something for us to join the common market would be a vote winner I think." Yeah, now as you said that would maybe agree with you on that comment. | |||
"I should really have checked for myself before messaging here in case it isn't true , but I have just been told that to mark the 3rd anniversary of The UK leaving The EU ,(with the promise of sunny uplands ), BBC Newsnight had a live Brexit debate and no one from the ruling Conservative Government was prepared to attend ,this cannot be correct , " Yes. That is correct. No Government or Conservative party representative. An ex-UKIP "MEP" who was very excited about the fact that America was our biggest single trading partner without a trade deal and Conservative peer who was blaming the civil service for the problems. Anyway, it was not Brexit that was the problem apparently, it was just done badly. However, everyone agreed that what we have is crap. So it's all worked out  | |||
"I should really have checked for myself before messaging here in case it isn't true , but I have just been told that to mark the 3rd anniversary of The UK leaving The EU ,(with the promise of sunny uplands ), BBC Newsnight had a live Brexit debate and no one from the ruling Conservative Government was prepared to attend ,this cannot be correct , Yes. That is correct. No Government or Conservative party representative. An ex-UKIP "MEP" who was very excited about the fact that America was our biggest single trading partner without a trade deal and Conservative peer who was blaming the civil service for the problems. Anyway, it was not Brexit that was the problem apparently, it was just done badly. However, everyone agreed that what we have is crap. So it's all worked out "When was this? | |||
"Think if one of the big parties were to admit brexit was a big mistake and were to say, we will aim to take us back in to the EU. Think it would be a good vote winner with what the polls are saying. As you here so many companies complaining about the red tape involed now and would solve the Northern Ireland issue with the protocol. " Much as I agree with the sentiment, the reality is that we will not be joining the EU again anytime soon. The country could not take the grief that the debate would bring and in any case, I think the EU would want to see years and years of sustained EU approval before even contemplating it. I do think as other posters have said is that acknowledging the error and starting to harmonise again through something like an EFTA deal might be a workable beginning. | |||
"Think if one of the big parties were to admit brexit was a big mistake and were to say, we will aim to take us back in to the EU. Think it would be a good vote winner with what the polls are saying. As you here so many companies complaining about the red tape involed now and would solve the Northern Ireland issue with the protocol. Much as I agree with the sentiment, the reality is that we will not be joining the EU again anytime soon. The country could not take the grief that the debate would bring and in any case, I think the EU would want to see years and years of sustained EU approval before even contemplating it. I do think as other posters have said is that acknowledging the error and starting to harmonise again through something like an EFTA deal might be a workable beginning." The problem is that many people who believed Brexit lies won't want to admit they were fooled. And certain figures who pushed this ruinous Brexit (Johnson, Gove etc) won't want to admit they pushed it & lied for self-serving reasons. | |||
Let's keep bashing that Brexit drum because there never were any problems at all before Brexit.
The ridiculous fuel prices and supply issues the world over are clearly Brexit too... | |||
"Cherry picking more surveys are we?
Let's keep bashing that Brexit drum because there never were any problems at all before Brexit.
The ridiculous fuel prices and supply issues the world over are clearly Brexit too..."I doubt you need to cherry pick when survey after survey seems to show people are not happy with Brexit or think it's gone badly or want to rejoin. | |||
"I doubt you need to cherry pick when survey after survey seems to show people are not happy with Brexit or think it's gone badly or want to rejoin." What planet are you on? Do you know what people are actually pissed off about? Low pay, and expensive fuel, which is happening all over the world. | |||
"I doubt you need to cherry pick when survey after survey seems to show people are not happy with Brexit or think it's gone badly or want to rejoin. What planet are you on? Do you know what people are actually pissed off about? Low pay, and expensive fuel, which is happening all over the world." Yes people are pissed off about that. They are also pissed off about Brexit. According to survey after survey. | |||
"I doubt you need to cherry pick when survey after survey seems to show people are not happy with Brexit or think it's gone badly or want to rejoin. What planet are you on? Do you know what people are actually pissed off about? Low pay, and expensive fuel, which is happening all over the world." Did you see the IMF forecast published today? Why is the U.K. bottom of league and the IMF anticipate recession. Our economy is predicted to be worse than even Russia’s. There are a lot of things happening all over the world, but there are unique reasons why our situation is so much worse than everywhere else. | |||
"Think if one of the big parties were to admit brexit was a big mistake and were to say, we will aim to take us back in to the EU. Think it would be a good vote winner with what the polls are saying. As you here so many companies complaining about the red tape involed now and would solve the Northern Ireland issue with the protocol. " I know they are probably not classed as a big party or not anymore but the lib dems were very much for not leaving. I think they said at the last GE that if they won they would cancel brexit. Maybe have a look at them as would assume they are for rejoining, though that is an assumption. Also a new start up party actually called 're join. If the quotes here are correct they could do very well indeed | |||
"Think if one of the big parties were to admit brexit was a big mistake and were to say, we will aim to take us back in to the EU. Think it would be a good vote winner with what the polls are saying. As you here so many companies complaining about the red tape involed now and would solve the Northern Ireland issue with the protocol. I know they are probably not classed as a big party or not anymore but the lib dems were very much for not leaving. I think they said at the last GE that if they won they would cancel brexit. Maybe have a look at them as would assume they are for rejoining, though that is an assumption. Also a new start up party actually called 're join. If the quotes here are correct they could do very well indeed" Until there is PR, voting for a small party is a wasted vote. Like it or not, we do need people with political experience representing us, not lightweight wannabe’s | |||
"I should really have checked for myself before messaging here in case it isn't true , but I have just been told that to mark the 3rd anniversary of The UK leaving The EU ,(with the promise of sunny uplands ), BBC Newsnight had a live Brexit debate and no one from the ruling Conservative Government was prepared to attend ,this cannot be correct , Yes. That is correct. No Government or Conservative party representative. An ex-UKIP "MEP" who was very excited about the fact that America was our biggest single trading partner without a trade deal and Conservative peer who was blaming the civil service for the problems. Anyway, it was not Brexit that was the problem apparently, it was just done badly. However, everyone agreed that what we have is crap. So it's all worked out
When was this?"Last night | |||
"I doubt you need to cherry pick when survey after survey seems to show people are not happy with Brexit or think it's gone badly or want to rejoin. What planet are you on? Do you know what people are actually pissed off about? Low pay, and expensive fuel, which is happening all over the world." The planet where multiple groups of people have been surveyed on multiple occasions and said that they thought that Brexit was a bad idea. That includes those who voted for Brexit. They are also pissed off about everything else that you mentioned. Part of the point being that Brexit was supposed to fix all problems. Certainly the NHS should be fine with all the extra cash... | |||
"I should really have checked for myself before messaging here in case it isn't true , but I have just been told that to mark the 3rd anniversary of The UK leaving The EU ,(with the promise of sunny uplands ), BBC Newsnight had a live Brexit debate and no one from the ruling Conservative Government was prepared to attend ,this cannot be correct , Yes. That is correct. No Government or Conservative party representative. An ex-UKIP "MEP" who was very excited about the fact that America was our biggest single trading partner without a trade deal and Conservative peer who was blaming the civil service for the problems. Anyway, it was not Brexit that was the problem apparently, it was just done badly. However, everyone agreed that what we have is crap. So it's all worked out
When was this?
Last night"Any chance of a link? I can't find anything | |||
"I doubt you need to cherry pick when survey after survey seems to show people are not happy with Brexit or think it's gone badly or want to rejoin. What planet are you on? Do you know what people are actually pissed off about? Low pay, and expensive fuel, which is happening all over the world." Just going to post this again... That super left leaning EU supporting The Telegraph... “Brexit is costing the UK's economy £100bn a year as the way the split from the EU has been implemented leaves companies struggling to attract investment and hire workers. On the third anniversary of Britain leaving the bloc, the nation’s economy is 4pc smaller than it might have been according to analysis by Bloomberg Economics. Business investment in the UK has grown 19pc less than the average across G7 economies, it showed. Economists Ana Andrade and Dan Hanson said: "Did the UK commit an act of economic self-harm when it voted to leave the EU in 2016? The evidence so far still suggests it did. "The main takeaway is that the rupture from the single market may have impacted the British economy faster than we, or most other forecasters, expected." Combined with IMF announcement today. How can anyone keep denying Brexit is anything except a steaming turd? | |||
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"The EU was never about economics, it was about power through a political union. Economies come and go but when you've lost freedom you have nothing. Gimme freedom or gimme death. There are so many in this country who don't g.a.f about liberty just money. They think the state will look after them. It won't. They'll sell their liberty for a state handout. Pitiful. " So you voted to remain? | |||
"Think if one of the big parties were to admit brexit was a big mistake and were to say, we will aim to take us back in to the EU. Think it would be a good vote winner with what the polls are saying. As you here so many companies complaining about the red tape involed now and would solve the Northern Ireland issue with the protocol. I know they are probably not classed as a big party or not anymore but the lib dems were very much for not leaving. I think they said at the last GE that if they won they would cancel brexit. Maybe have a look at them as would assume they are for rejoining, though that is an assumption. Also a new start up party actually called 're join. If the quotes here are correct they could do very well indeed Until there is PR, voting for a small party is a wasted vote. Like it or not, we do need people with political experience representing us, not lightweight wannabe’s " I'm not saying I am voting that way and not saying anyone should. Just saying for the 63% there are 2 parties I can think of that share they view and wish to act on it. I agree about PR, it's what stopped UKIP getting more seats though for a small party they had a lot of influence despite this | |||
"The EU was never about economics, it was about power through a political union. Economies come and go but when you've lost freedom you have nothing. Gimme freedom or gimme death. There are so many in this country who don't g.a.f about liberty just money. They think the state will look after them. It won't. They'll sell their liberty for a state handout. Pitiful. So you voted to remain?" Hahahaha,oh what a wag you are. No please ,stop, my sides are splitting, hahahaha....infinitum. | |||
"I doubt you need to cherry pick when survey after survey seems to show people are not happy with Brexit or think it's gone badly or want to rejoin. What planet are you on? Do you know what people are actually pissed off about? Low pay, and expensive fuel, which is happening all over the world. The planet where multiple groups of people have been surveyed on multiple occasions and said that they thought that Brexit was a bad idea. That includes those who voted for Brexit. They are also pissed off about everything else that you mentioned. Part of the point being that Brexit was supposed to fix all problems. Certainly the NHS should be fine with all the extra cash..." I'm certainly pissed off about it but not the idea of Brexit. It's the lack of implementation by the govt that remains the problem. I'm not looking for your view on my view so don't bother replying. I'm simply stating my view | |||
"The EU was never about economics, it was about power through a political union. Economies come and go but when you've lost freedom you have nothing. Gimme freedom or gimme death. There are so many in this country who don't g.a.f about liberty just money. They think the state will look after them. It won't. They'll sell their liberty for a state handout. Pitiful. " The irony is we have less freedom & less control now than when were in the EU. It's almost as if you were sold a dud... | |||
"The EU was never about economics, it was about power through a political union. Economies come and go but when you've lost freedom you have nothing. Gimme freedom or gimme death. There are so many in this country who don't g.a.f about liberty just money. They think the state will look after them. It won't. They'll sell their liberty for a state handout. Pitiful. The irony is we have less freedom & less control now than when were in the EU. It's almost as if you were sold a dud..." It's not irony, he was lied to, in order to move more power, wealth and control from us, to those at the top. | |||
"I doubt you need to cherry pick when survey after survey seems to show people are not happy with Brexit or think it's gone badly or want to rejoin. What planet are you on? Do you know what people are actually pissed off about? Low pay, and expensive fuel, which is happening all over the world. The planet where multiple groups of people have been surveyed on multiple occasions and said that they thought that Brexit was a bad idea. That includes those who voted for Brexit. They are also pissed off about everything else that you mentioned. Part of the point being that Brexit was supposed to fix all problems. Certainly the NHS should be fine with all the extra cash... I'm certainly pissed off about it but not the idea of Brexit. It's the lack of implementation by the govt that remains the problem. I'm not looking for your view on my view so don't bother replying. I'm simply stating my view " What was the plan that was going to be implemented? | |||
"The EU was never about economics, it was about power through a political union. Economies come and go but when you've lost freedom you have nothing. Gimme freedom or gimme death. There are so many in this country who don't g.a.f about liberty just money. They think the state will look after them. It won't. They'll sell their liberty for a state handout. Pitiful. " There are some words. Well done | |||
"I should really have checked for myself before messaging here in case it isn't true , but I have just been told that to mark the 3rd anniversary of The UK leaving The EU ,(with the promise of sunny uplands ), BBC Newsnight had a live Brexit debate and no one from the ruling Conservative Government was prepared to attend ,this cannot be correct , Yes. That is correct. No Government or Conservative party representative. An ex-UKIP "MEP" who was very excited about the fact that America was our biggest single trading partner without a trade deal and Conservative peer who was blaming the civil service for the problems. Anyway, it was not Brexit that was the problem apparently, it was just done badly. However, everyone agreed that what we have is crap. So it's all worked out
When was this?
Last night
Any chance of a link? I can't find anything"It's on iPlayer https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/m001hsvs/newsnight-brexit-hows-it-going | |||
"I doubt you need to cherry pick when survey after survey seems to show people are not happy with Brexit or think it's gone badly or want to rejoin. What planet are you on? Do you know what people are actually pissed off about? Low pay, and expensive fuel, which is happening all over the world. The planet where multiple groups of people have been surveyed on multiple occasions and said that they thought that Brexit was a bad idea. That includes those who voted for Brexit. They are also pissed off about everything else that you mentioned. Part of the point being that Brexit was supposed to fix all problems. Certainly the NHS should be fine with all the extra cash... I'm certainly pissed off about it but not the idea of Brexit. It's the lack of implementation by the govt that remains the problem. I'm not looking for your view on my view so don't bother replying. I'm simply stating my view What was the plan that was going to be implemented?" Based on our government's actions at the heigh of the pandemic, the plan was likely to shift as much cash to rich mates as possible. | |||
"The irony is we have less freedom & less control now than when were in the EU." In what ways do we now have less freedom, and less control? | |||
"The EU was never about economics, it was about power through a political union. Economies come and go but when you've lost freedom you have nothing. Gimme freedom or gimme death. There are so many in this country who don't g.a.f about liberty just money. They think the state will look after them. It won't. They'll sell their liberty for a state handout. Pitiful. " Interesting thought processes so... 1. What is the purpose of the nation state? 2. Why is a larger political union less desirable than a smaller political union? 3. How small is the right political union to ensure freedom and liberty? 4. How do you define freedom and liberty? Freedom from who? How do you want to use that freedom and liberty? How did being in the EU stop that? | |||
"The irony is we have less freedom & less control now than when were in the EU. In what ways do we now have less freedom, and less control?" We lost our freedom of movement within the EU, the freedom to live and work there. We have less control, in the sense that we still have to meet EU standards to trade there, but no longer have a seat at the decision making table. | |||
"The EU was never about economics, it was about power through a political union. Economies come and go but when you've lost freedom you have nothing. Gimme freedom or gimme death. There are so many in this country who don't g.a.f about liberty just money. They think the state will look after them. It won't. They'll sell their liberty for a state handout. Pitiful. " What on earth are you going on about? The EU offers liberty and freedoms! It has no borders travel and live wherever you want within the EU, something I will miss greatly. The EU is and has economic strength amongst its members, deal with one deal with us all, that is the power of a union, when needed. If you want your freedoms and liberty, I think you may have put your X in the wrong box 
Other than that you are spot on, well done | |||
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"The EU was never about economics, it was about power through a political union. Economies come and go but when you've lost freedom you have nothing. Gimme freedom or gimme death. There are so many in this country who don't g.a.f about liberty just money. They think the state will look after them. It won't. They'll sell their liberty for a state handout. Pitiful. " Liberty? Hilarious | |||
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"The irony is we have less freedom & less control now than when were in the EU. In what ways do we now have less freedom, and less control?" The loss off Freedom of movement | |||
"Brexit was rushed, propaganda on both sides causing and argument. Bias everywhere. Both sides were acting like kids and still are. The point I feel was missed. I remember a bus saying 350 million bean for the NHS on a bus, which was claimed as a mistake by farage the day after the votes, but I also remember the fear tactics by the remainers. Brexit could be good if the country was made ready for it and that would take years. We don't need growth we need stability and I think is is even more true as we essentially pitch ourselves against the European market. We don't have that much to offer that would get us a seat at the table. We have fish We have tech We're pretty good with space tech too. What else do we do here? To operate in a market you need something they want. Our country needs the imports to survive, this I feel is the issue. Imagine if Britain could sustain itself. We need non bias agenda not childish politicking. Maybe then we could see through the smoke and make an informed decision. So if anyone has any ideas about how to remove the politics from politics? " This all sounds great, but the objectives of brexit were and are dependent on the damage to the UK economy, the deregulation of environmental protections, workers rights, etc. So there is no motivation from those who orchestrated Brexit to address the wellbeing of the UK and British people. In fact the opposite is the case. | |||
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"Older voters, people who have lived spent a larger proportion of their working lives in the EU compared to young kids. You can frame it as out of touch old fuddy duddys, but you can equally frame it as people who have more lived experience of the regime not like said regime. Besides we all know young people are easily manipulated, anyone here who says they were clever when they were young is lier." The young are more likely to read a varied number of sources for their information due to masses of social media. . The older generation have been fed decades of bullshit from bias media such as the daily mail. If you based your views on the hogwash published in that paper you would be on the cusp of believing the EU we’re trying to ensl4ve the U.K. not that we had a massive input in its direction and control. Having worked in many EU countries my continental colleagues all were shocked and dismayed by our stupidity in leaving such a powerful club which brought so many benefits. How right they were. The likes of Farage had many opportunities to better the lives of so many especially the uK fisherman he was supposed to represent but attending only two out of forty four meetings of the fisheries group due to his putting his own beliefs first not those of his electorate, shows you how skewered our information and service was. Total scumbag out for himself . Boris and Farage should be jailed for the lies and failure to look after our best interests. Farage took the money and will be taking the pension despite not working in the job he was paid for. Fraud in any other name. | |||
"Older voters, people who have lived spent a larger proportion of their working lives in the EU compared to young kids. You can frame it as out of touch old fuddy duddys, but you can equally frame it as people who have more lived experience of the regime not like said regime. Besides we all know young people are easily manipulated, anyone here who says they were clever when they were young is lier." People are not very good at seeing long-term trends, not are they very good at seeing wider effects outside their immediate experience. People are very sensitive to sentiment and short-term events. As has been quoted by other posters, older voters actually benefited personally from the largest increase in their living standards under what you have emotively termed the EU "regime"
We do not all have the same negative attitudes about the young as you unfortunately seem to. No doubt they view you in a similarly unflattering manner, except that they literally are the future and you are, evidently, not. | |||
"Older voters, people who have lived spent a larger proportion of their working lives in the EU compared to young kids. You can frame it as out of touch old fuddy duddys, but you can equally frame it as people who have more lived experience of the regime not like said regime. Besides we all know young people are easily manipulated, anyone here who says they were clever when they were young is lier. People are not very good at seeing long-term trends, not are they very good at seeing wider effects outside their immediate experience. People are very sensitive to sentiment and short-term events. As has been quoted by other posters, older voters actually benefited personally from the largest increase in their living standards under what you have emotively termed the EU "regime"
We do not all have the same negative attitudes about the young as you unfortunately seem to. No doubt they view you in a similarly unflattering manner, except that they literally are the future and you are, evidently, not."I have got to say it "OUCH" | |||
