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"How are you defining weak?" Cries watching Love Island? | |||
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"Would you go to the front line?" I would have gone and helped in Ukraine if they allowed it | |||
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"Inability to provide for one's self. . Inability to self control. Inability to show moral values. Inability to control emotions. Inability to distinguish right from wrong. Lack of self confidence. Lack of knowledge. Lack of physical ability Lack of humility Greed and self righteousness Just to name a few ...you think this modern generation of men could survive rationing or conscription ? I don't . ..but in eastern Europe and even in many NATO nations..they still have conscription or national service .. Foresight isn't a hard concept to grasp ..and anybody who can't see that we are hurtling towards a global conflict again really needs to learn the statement " those who do not learn from history ..are doomed to repeat it" "  The bad thing is it's happening here too. Recruitment levels are way down and retention levels are too. It's scary that the professional volunteer soldier is not considered a profession anymore. | |||
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"Would you go to the front line? I would have gone and helped in Ukraine if they allowed it " they do allow it plenty from the uk and everywhere else out there fighting, book ya ticket now, | |||
"Would you go to the front line? I would have gone and helped in Ukraine if they allowed it they do allow it plenty from the uk and everywhere else out there fighting, book ya ticket now, " If you do go op you may not come back.  | |||
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"Would you go to the front line? I would have gone and helped in Ukraine if they allowed it they do allow it plenty from the uk and everywhere else out there fighting, book ya ticket now, " No they don't allow it, they won't hand anyone that's not a Ukrainian national weapons | |||
"Inability to provide for one's self. . Inability to self control. Inability to show moral values. Inability to control emotions. Inability to distinguish right from wrong. Lack of self confidence. Lack of knowledge. Lack of physical ability Lack of humility Greed and self righteousness Just to name a few ...you think this modern generation of men could survive rationing or conscription ? I don't . ..but in eastern Europe and even in many NATO nations..they still have conscription or national service .. Foresight isn't a hard concept to grasp ..and anybody who can't see that we are hurtling towards a global conflict again really needs to learn the statement " those who do not learn from history ..are doomed to repeat it" " I fail to see how being in the armed the armed forces would instill many if not all of those values? However, I'm assuming your are current or ex forces and hopefully you can explain? | |||
"How long until British troops get deployed ? Do you believe conscription and/or national military service should be implemented regardless of whether we come to blows with Russia or not? . The lack of physically fit , fighting capable people in this country is ridiculous. Hard times create strong men, strong men create good times, good times create weak men, and weak men create hard times. Britain's good times are over ..yet we still create weak men " I think you probably have a very binary and narrow opinion of what defines strong or weak men? | |||
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"Ex military with 18 years service. I have worked with conscripts before, and found them to be a total liability. One problem we have not is that the do-gooders have got their claws into basic training. If someone folds when shouted at by an NCO with bad breath and a spittle problem, how are they going to rectify to being shot at. If someone cries bullying If they are beasted because the screwed up, how will they cope with being caught and interrogated. Good soldiers are made from good basic materials that are moulded and tempered. Not available off the shelf. " | |||
"Ex military with 18 years service. I have worked with conscripts before, and found them to be a total liability. One problem we have not is that the do-gooders have got their claws into basic training. If someone folds when shouted at by an NCO with bad breath and a spittle problem, how are they going to rectify to being shot at. If someone cries bullying If they are beasted because the screwed up, how will they cope with being caught and interrogated. Good soldiers are made from good basic materials that are moulded and tempered. Not available off the shelf. " | |||
"Ex military with 18 years service. I have worked with conscripts before, and found them to be a total liability. One problem we have not is that the do-gooders have got their claws into basic training. If someone folds when shouted at by an NCO with bad breath and a spittle problem, how are they going to rectify to being shot at. If someone cries bullying If they are beasted because the screwed up, how will they cope with being caught and interrogated. Good soldiers are made from good basic materials that are moulded and tempered. Not available off the shelf. " Well said | |||
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"How long until British troops get deployed ? Do you believe conscription and/or national military service should be implemented regardless of whether we come to blows with Russia or not? . The lack of physically fit , fighting capable people in this country is ridiculous. Hard times create strong men, strong men create good times, good times create weak men, and weak men create hard times. Britain's good times are over ..yet we still create weak men " Going by the stories of veterans, any war was was worth talking it's way out of. I don't know why anyone would so freely take up arms. | |||
"We have the best army in the world "But most of them are keyboard warriors and armchair generals | |||
"How long until British troops get deployed ? Do you believe conscription and/or national military service should be implemented regardless of whether we come to blows with Russia or not? . The lack of physically fit , fighting capable people in this country is ridiculous. Hard times create strong men, strong men create good times, good times create weak men, and weak men create hard times. Britain's good times are over ..yet we still create weak men " British troops will never be deployed to fight in ukraine | |||
"We have the best army in the world
But most of them are keyboard warriors and armchair generals"If you say so | |||
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"Ex military with 18 years service. I have worked with conscripts before, and found them to be a total liability. One problem we have not is that the do-gooders have got their claws into basic training. If someone folds when shouted at by an NCO with bad breath and a spittle problem, how are they going to rectify to being shot at. If someone cries bullying If they are beasted because the screwed up, how will they cope with being caught and interrogated. Good soldiers are made from good basic materials that are moulded and tempered. Not available off the shelf. " Agree An apprentice one said to me there is no such thing as bullying its just caritor building. | |||
"How long until British troops get deployed ? Do you believe conscription and/or national military service should be implemented regardless of whether we come to blows with Russia or not? . The lack of physically fit , fighting capable people in this country is ridiculous. Hard times create strong men, strong men create good times, good times create weak men, and weak men create hard times. Britain's good times are over ..yet we still create weak men " No and no I would not want a conscripted playing with expensive military hardware. For a start. I now some how have tried to get in but could not. It's is a proper profession it's just not payed as one. | |||
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"What do you benefit from going to war? Think number of displaced migrants and unnecessary deaths." Those who profit from war don't give a shit about the loss of life of the humanitarian problems it creates. | |||
"Ex military with 18 years service. I have worked with conscripts before, and found them to be a total liability. One problem we have not is that the do-gooders have got their claws into basic training. If someone folds when shouted at by an NCO with bad breath and a spittle problem, how are they going to rectify to being shot at. If someone cries bullying If they are beasted because the screwed up, how will they cope with being caught and interrogated. Good soldiers are made from good basic materials that are moulded and tempered. Not available off the shelf. Agree An apprentice one said to me there is no such thing as bullying its just caritor building. " I'm pretty sure everyone realises bullying exists, and I'd be extremely wary of anyone that defends it as character building. And it has been established at several inquests bullying dies go on in the army and on occasion has cost the victim their lives | |||
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"Given moves into cyber and disinformation warfare, I think critical thinking would be a better investment than delusions of machismo with a potential side dish of PTSD." Agreed. I know current culture and Hollywood are always keen to play up the machismo of war and special forces in particular. Feeds the male ego and desire to be relevant I guess. But warfare diverged from that singular path a long time ago and now is asymmetrical across many platforms. To be honest, I'm more concerned about a bunch of 15-year olds sitting in a dark basement eating Wotsits and hidden behind multiple layers of obfuscation conducting online attacks like seeding networks with future-triggered payloads, than a team of crack special forces at my door. The special forces will take out the building. The hackers can take down a country. Or a continent. And that future is here, now. | |||
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"It is asymmetrical. But computers do not take and hold ground now do they? Boots do. Ukraine currently is at a stalemate. Back to WW1 tactics. Trenches and artillery. Computers control the information space. They do not control battlefield tempo. IE the blitzkrieg. You take out energy infrastructure. Computers are done. Still need the Dogs of war. Fact. " Agreed. For now. I feel however that the asymmetrical shape of warfare in years to come will distort quite dramatically and shift heavily to focus on less boots on ground, and more "disable their 3C's and degrade their wider economy, infrastructure, support systems" Boots on the ground are all well and good, but they need to get there first of all. With equipment that works. And a logistical supply chain to support it before, during and after the event. That includes ancillary support too. I suppose you could fly somehow without ATC, assuming the vehicle's systems are still airworthy. Might need the troops to carry cans of fuel to fill up said chopper, as the bowser systems are all borked. I suppose they can carry some crisps because the canteen and stock management systems have been offline for a week and food levels are looking a bit funky. Mission briefings are back to good old pen and paper. No Teams calls or their equivalents. Analog targeting because the electronic systems are pooched. It's great that they are hardened against EMP, but the enemy's cyberwarfare unit introduced covert code that makes the targeting go a bit "squiffy". That's the 12th school accidentally toasted this week. I think you get my drift. I believe a dedicated and concerted effort of sufficient calibre would have personnel sitting in barracks, scratching their behinds wondering what on earth they can do. And if not...then that is exactly the scenario we should be developing ourselves to use against our enemies. It makes conventional warfare utterly pointless, or least so heavily degraded in its options as to be ineffectual. | |||
"How long until British troops get deployed ? Do you believe conscription and/or national military service should be implemented regardless of whether we come to blows with Russia or not? . The lack of physically fit , fighting capable people in this country is ridiculous. Hard times create strong men, strong men create good times, good times create weak men, and weak men create hard times. Britain's good times are over ..yet we still create weak men " How long till British troops get involved… never… Not happening! Ukraine don’t need foot troops and don’t want… | |||
"It is asymmetrical. But computers do not take and hold ground now do they? Boots do. Ukraine currently is at a stalemate. Back to WW1 tactics. Trenches and artillery. Computers control the information space. They do not control battlefield tempo. IE the blitzkrieg. You take out energy infrastructure. Computers are done. Still need the Dogs of war. Fact. Agreed. For now. I feel however that the asymmetrical shape of warfare in years to come will distort quite dramatically and shift heavily to focus on less boots on ground, and more "disable their 3C's and degrade their wider economy, infrastructure, support systems" Boots on the ground are all well and good, but they need to get there first of all. With equipment that works. And a logistical supply chain to support it before, during and after the event. That includes ancillary support too. I suppose you could fly somehow without ATC, assuming the vehicle's systems are still airworthy. Might need the troops to carry cans of fuel to fill up said chopper, as the bowser systems are all borked. I suppose they can carry some crisps because the canteen and stock management systems have been offline for a week and food levels are looking a bit funky. Mission briefings are back to good old pen and paper. No Teams calls or their equivalents. Analog targeting because the electronic systems are pooched. It's great that they are hardened against EMP, but the enemy's cyberwarfare unit introduced covert code that makes the targeting go a bit "squiffy". That's the 12th school accidentally toasted this week. I think you get my drift. I believe a dedicated and concerted effort of sufficient calibre would have personnel sitting in barracks, scratching their behinds wondering what on earth they can do. And if not...then that is exactly the scenario we should be developing ourselves to use against our enemies. It makes conventional warfare utterly pointless, or least so heavily degraded in its options as to be ineffectual. " The Ukraine war is shaping future battlefield tactics equipment and the information. I just curious how the going to break the stalemate this spring and Russia still hasn't proven their sead operations or ew. It is old school doctrine against new. But Valery Gerasminov is in charge of Russian forces now. Curious to see how his doctrine going to play out. So far he is following it. | |||
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"Must have been conscripts from a foreign land Last conscripts in uk 1960 and they were 22 year old guys who had been deferred at 18 They went into the pay corps so I assume their basic training was with pen and ink " Dutch, German, Turkish. | |||
"Ex military with 18 years service. I have worked with conscripts before, and found them to be a total liability. One problem we have not is that the do-gooders have got their claws into basic training. If someone folds when shouted at by an NCO with bad breath and a spittle problem, how are they going to rectify to being shot at. If someone cries bullying If they are beasted because the screwed up, how will they cope with being caught and interrogated. Good soldiers are made from good basic materials that are moulded and tempered. Not available off the shelf. Agree An apprentice one said to me there is no such thing as bullying its just caritor building. " Don't get me wrong, there was some bullying, but it was not the normal. Basic training was hard, it should be to out those who were not suited to the life. | |||
"Given moves into cyber and disinformation warfare, I think critical thinking would be a better investment than delusions of machismo with a potential side dish of PTSD." Not much use if an invasion force comes over. No matter what your trade or specialism, when it comes to it, soldiers are all fighting men and women. | |||
"Given moves into cyber and disinformation warfare, I think critical thinking would be a better investment than delusions of machismo with a potential side dish of PTSD. Not much use if an invasion force comes over. No matter what your trade or specialism, when it comes to it, soldiers are all fighting men and women." How would an invasion force come over? From where? | |||
"Given moves into cyber and disinformation warfare, I think critical thinking would be a better investment than delusions of machismo with a potential side dish of PTSD. Not much use if an invasion force comes over. No matter what your trade or specialism, when it comes to it, soldiers are all fighting men and women. How would an invasion force come over? From where?" Hypothetically we can. | |||
"We have the best army in the world "Seriously? I believe we're ranked 5 or less. 73,000 troops across all fields, Army, Navy, Air Force. What can we honestly do with a Hrand Total od 150 tanks - and we're giving some of those away. Years, Years and more Years of cuts Didn't some idiot once claim our next War would be Cyber as an excuse to slash hardware and staffing. Air Defence? Do we have any, could the UK protect against overwhelm attacks by drones and missles? Feckin doomed I'd say. | |||
"We have the best army in the world
Seriously?
I believe we're ranked 5 or less.
73,000 troops across all fields, Army, Navy, Air Force.
What can we honestly do with a Hrand Total od 150 tanks - and we're giving some of those away.
Years, Years and more Years of cuts
Didn't some idiot once claim our next War would be Cyber as an excuse to slash hardware and staffing.
Air Defence? Do we have any, could the UK protect against overwhelm attacks by drones and missles?
Feckin doomed I'd say."Russia claimed they were second best  | |||
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"Ex military with 18 years service. I have worked with conscripts before, and found them to be a total liability. One problem we have not is that the do-gooders have got their claws into basic training. If someone folds when shouted at by an NCO with bad breath and a spittle problem, how are they going to rectify to being shot at. If someone cries bullying If they are beasted because the screwed up, how will they cope with being caught and interrogated. Good soldiers are made from good basic materials that are moulded and tempered. Not available off the shelf. Agree An apprentice one said to me there is no such thing as bullying its just caritor building. Don't get me wrong, there was some bullying, but it was not the normal. Basic training was hard, it should be to out those who were not suited to the life." Basic strips you down to the fundamentals of human nature. We all looked the same. Didn't matter race religion or sexual preference. If you had my 6 I had yours. We all suffered together. | |||
"Given moves into cyber and disinformation warfare, I think critical thinking would be a better investment than delusions of machismo with a potential side dish of PTSD. Not much use if an invasion force comes over. No matter what your trade or specialism, when it comes to it, soldiers are all fighting men and women. How would an invasion force come over? From where? Hypothetically we can." Hypothetically means nothing. | |||
"Given moves into cyber and disinformation warfare, I think critical thinking would be a better investment than delusions of machismo with a potential side dish of PTSD. Not much use if an invasion force comes over. No matter what your trade or specialism, when it comes to it, soldiers are all fighting men and women. How would an invasion force come over? From where? Hypothetically we can. Hypothetically means nothing. " It means a lot. It is how you prepare for wars. Wargames are Hypothetical situations. | |||
"Given moves into cyber and disinformation warfare, I think critical thinking would be a better investment than delusions of machismo with a potential side dish of PTSD. Not much use if an invasion force comes over. No matter what your trade or specialism, when it comes to it, soldiers are all fighting men and women. How would an invasion force come over? From where? Hypothetically we can. Hypothetically means nothing. " Simple sead operations against the UK. Since there is not alot of air defense. Follow up with a naval blockade and a aerial campaign to soften targets. Take out infrastructure. Land invasion force your done. | |||
"Given moves into cyber and disinformation warfare, I think critical thinking would be a better investment than delusions of machismo with a potential side dish of PTSD. Not much use if an invasion force comes over. No matter what your trade or specialism, when it comes to it, soldiers are all fighting men and women. How would an invasion force come over? From where? Hypothetically we can. Hypothetically means nothing. Simple sead operations against the UK. Since there is not alot of air defense. Follow up with a naval blockade and a aerial campaign to soften targets. Take out infrastructure. Land invasion force your done. "Hypothetical of course. | |||
"Would you go to the front line? I would have gone and helped in Ukraine if they allowed it " Absolutely not,this is a politicians war,its a proxy war pushed by America and friends. | |||
"Would you go to the front line? I would have gone and helped in Ukraine if they allowed it Absolutely not,this is a politicians war,its a proxy war pushed by America and friends." How has it been pushed by America and friends? Russia seized Crimea and the Eastern Donbas in 2014 and then launched a full invasion on Fenbruary last year with the aim of removing Zelensky. Ukrainians gave the right if they so wish to seek a different path than the one that Russia wants them to take. If you are trying to say that it was because of potential NATO expansion then the events that have unfolded have proven that Ukraine was right to be seeking NATO protection. | |||
"Would you go to the front line? I would have gone and helped in Ukraine if they allowed it Absolutely not,this is a politicians war,its a proxy war pushed by America and friends. How has it been pushed by America and friends? Russia seized Crimea and the Eastern Donbas in 2014 and then launched a full invasion on Fenbruary last year with the aim of removing Zelensky. Ukrainians gave the right if they so wish to seek a different path than the one that Russia wants them to take. If you are trying to say that it was because of potential NATO expansion then the events that have unfolded have proven that Ukraine was right to be seeking NATO protection. " Listen,I don't like putin,I don't like communism,and I definitely don't like innocent civilians being killed,but you can't say Russia weren't provoked. Nato has pushed closer and closer to Russia since the fall of the Soviet Union,and they swore they wouldn't,it was part of the Minsk agreement. Russia disbanded the Warsaw pact as a gesture they were going to play the part,but ever since nato has pushed closer and closer. You only have to look at Georgia 2009,that was orchestrated by America,and the Georgia situation was what provoked crimea,think about it,nato gains more land by getting Georgia into they membership,so that they closer to Russia,so Russia take crimea to gain more buffer space. What about the Russian speaking Ukrainians in the donbas region,they were constantly attacked by Ukraine forces for 8 years merely because they were Russian speaking. You have to remember that nato was created in the late 40s as a purely anti-soviet organisation. And don't forget how corrupt zelensky was before all of this,he's made to look a hero by the msm,but they forget to mention things like him jailing an opposition party leader for disagreeing with his policies etc...that's the kind of thing putin does. And in the last 2 weeks zelenskys top aid who was a top military guy and advised him on everything had to resign because he basically told the truth about a missile attack that hit buildings,he said it was caused by Ukraine forces not Russian. The West don't want peace in Ukraine,Russia was going to be a big economic player in the next decade with the nordstream pipeline,the west can't have that so they trying to cripple Russia. You see Russia with the pipeline was going to be huge economically,and because they part of the brics group which stands for Brazil,Russia,India,China,South Africa,they have a lot of allies,and more are looking to join that group,Argentina for one. I feel for the Ukraine people, its awful what's happening there,however,there are no good guys,America,UK,Ukraine government and Russia...they all have they own gains from this. | |||
"Would you go to the front line? I would have gone and helped in Ukraine if they allowed it Absolutely not,this is a politicians war,its a proxy war pushed by America and friends. How has it been pushed by America and friends? Russia seized Crimea and the Eastern Donbas in 2014 and then launched a full invasion on Fenbruary last year with the aim of removing Zelensky. Ukrainians gave the right if they so wish to seek a different path than the one that Russia wants them to take. If you are trying to say that it was because of potential NATO expansion then the events that have unfolded have proven that Ukraine was right to be seeking NATO protection. Listen,I don't like putin,I don't like communism,and I definitely don't like innocent civilians being killed,but you can't say Russia weren't provoked. Nato has pushed closer and closer to Russia since the fall of the Soviet Union,and they swore they wouldn't,it was part of the Minsk agreement. Russia disbanded the Warsaw pact as a gesture they were going to play the part,but ever since nato has pushed closer and closer. You only have to look at Georgia 2009,that was orchestrated by America,and the Georgia situation was what provoked crimea,think about it,nato gains more land by getting Georgia into they membership,so that they closer to Russia,so Russia take crimea to gain more buffer space. What about the Russian speaking Ukrainians in the donbas region,they were constantly attacked by Ukraine forces for 8 years merely because they were Russian speaking. You have to remember that nato was created in the late 40s as a purely anti-soviet organisation. And don't forget how corrupt zelensky was before all of this,he's made to look a hero by the msm,but they forget to mention things like him jailing an opposition party leader for disagreeing with his policies etc...that's the kind of thing putin does. And in the last 2 weeks zelenskys top aid who was a top military guy and advised him on everything had to resign because he basically told the truth about a missile attack that hit buildings,he said it was caused by Ukraine forces not Russian. The West don't want peace in Ukraine,Russia was going to be a big economic player in the next decade with the nordstream pipeline,the west can't have that so they trying to cripple Russia. You see Russia with the pipeline was going to be huge economically,and because they part of the brics group which stands for Brazil,Russia,India,China,South Africa,they have a lot of allies,and more are looking to join that group,Argentina for one. I feel for the Ukraine people, its awful what's happening there,however,there are no good guys,America,UK,Ukraine government and Russia...they all have they own gains from this. " When you say NATO has “pushed” you are purposely misrepresenting what has actually happened. Countries quite rightly fear Russia and they seek and apply to join NATO as protection from Russia. You think that NATO should now refuse Finland and Sweden because it will upset Russia? When in fact the very reason that they want to join is because of what has happened in Ukraine. Yes there are Russian speaking people in Ukraine as there are all over the former Soviet Union. Those Russian speaking separatists in Ukraine were violently and militarily opposed to Ukraine and that is why for the last 8 years there has been conflict there. The situation is not unlike it was in Northern Ireland for decades, but it need not have escalated into murderous armed conflict had Russia not been actively supporting the separatists on the ground with men and armour for the last eight years. You know sometimes the truth is what you are seeing with your own eyes, there is no deeper reason and there is no alternative conspiracy. In this case Putin wanted to roll over Ukraine in a matter of days with the sim of sending a message to NATO countries. Instead he is up to his neck in a long term armed conflict that is costing hundreds of thousands of Russian soldiers killed, injured or captive and now NATO is about to accept Finland and Sweden into its ranks and almost the entire world is solidly backing Ukraine. | |||
"Would you go to the front line? I would have gone and helped in Ukraine if they allowed it Absolutely not,this is a politicians war,its a proxy war pushed by America and friends. How has it been pushed by America and friends? Russia seized Crimea and the Eastern Donbas in 2014 and then launched a full invasion on Fenbruary last year with the aim of removing Zelensky. Ukrainians gave the right if they so wish to seek a different path than the one that Russia wants them to take. If you are trying to say that it was because of potential NATO expansion then the events that have unfolded have proven that Ukraine was right to be seeking NATO protection. Listen,I don't like putin,I don't like communism,and I definitely don't like innocent civilians being killed,but you can't say Russia weren't provoked. Nato has pushed closer and closer to Russia since the fall of the Soviet Union,and they swore they wouldn't,it was part of the Minsk agreement. Russia disbanded the Warsaw pact as a gesture they were going to play the part,but ever since nato has pushed closer and closer. You only have to look at Georgia 2009,that was orchestrated by America,and the Georgia situation was what provoked crimea,think about it,nato gains more land by getting Georgia into they membership,so that they closer to Russia,so Russia take crimea to gain more buffer space. What about the Russian speaking Ukrainians in the donbas region,they were constantly attacked by Ukraine forces for 8 years merely because they were Russian speaking. You have to remember that nato was created in the late 40s as a purely anti-soviet organisation. And don't forget how corrupt zelensky was before all of this,he's made to look a hero by the msm,but they forget to mention things like him jailing an opposition party leader for disagreeing with his policies etc...that's the kind of thing putin does. And in the last 2 weeks zelenskys top aid who was a top military guy and advised him on everything had to resign because he basically told the truth about a missile attack that hit buildings,he said it was caused by Ukraine forces not Russian. The West don't want peace in Ukraine,Russia was going to be a big economic player in the next decade with the nordstream pipeline,the west can't have that so they trying to cripple Russia. You see Russia with the pipeline was going to be huge economically,and because they part of the brics group which stands for Brazil,Russia,India,China,South Africa,they have a lot of allies,and more are looking to join that group,Argentina for one. I feel for the Ukraine people, its awful what's happening there,however,there are no good guys,America,UK,Ukraine government and Russia...they all have they own gains from this. When you say NATO has “pushed” you are purposely misrepresenting what has actually happened. Countries quite rightly fear Russia and they seek and apply to join NATO as protection from Russia. You think that NATO should now refuse Finland and Sweden because it will upset Russia? When in fact the very reason that they want to join is because of what has happened in Ukraine. Yes there are Russian speaking people in Ukraine as there are all over the former Soviet Union. Those Russian speaking separatists in Ukraine were violently and militarily opposed to Ukraine and that is why for the last 8 years there has been conflict there. The situation is not unlike it was in Northern Ireland for decades, but it need not have escalated into murderous armed conflict had Russia not been actively supporting the separatists on the ground with men and armour for the last eight years. You know sometimes the truth is what you are seeing with your own eyes, there is no deeper reason and there is no alternative conspiracy. In this case Putin wanted to roll over Ukraine in a matter of days with the sim of sending a message to NATO countries. Instead he is up to his neck in a long term armed conflict that is costing hundreds of thousands of Russian soldiers killed, injured or captive and now NATO is about to accept Finland and Sweden into its ranks and almost the entire world is solidly backing Ukraine." OK,you have your view on it and I have mine,a lot of that above what you say is what western media wants you to believe,a one sided story like many other things in the last 20 years,true journalism has been gone since the late 90s. Finland and Sweden weren't part of the Soviet Union therefore weren't mentioned in the Minsk agreement. And nato are responsible for a lot of bad things just like Russia are,but western media always portray nato as the good guys,let's not forget Iraq,Syria,Libya and the Serbia bombing campaign in the 90s. I listen to western media,I listen to Russian media,not because I believe either side but because I like to take as much information in as possible and then go down the middle looking at facts and history. But you have your own opinions and I mine,we're never going to agree with each other so it is what it is. | |||
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"Would you go to the front line? I would have gone and helped in Ukraine if they allowed it Absolutely not,this is a politicians war,its a proxy war pushed by America and friends. How has it been pushed by America and friends? Russia seized Crimea and the Eastern Donbas in 2014 and then launched a full invasion on Fenbruary last year with the aim of removing Zelensky. Ukrainians gave the right if they so wish to seek a different path than the one that Russia wants them to take. If you are trying to say that it was because of potential NATO expansion then the events that have unfolded have proven that Ukraine was right to be seeking NATO protection. Listen,I don't like putin,I don't like communism,and I definitely don't like innocent civilians being killed,but you can't say Russia weren't provoked. Nato has pushed closer and closer to Russia since the fall of the Soviet Union,and they swore they wouldn't,it was part of the Minsk agreement. Russia disbanded the Warsaw pact as a gesture they were going to play the part,but ever since nato has pushed closer and closer. You only have to look at Georgia 2009,that was orchestrated by America,and the Georgia situation was what provoked crimea,think about it,nato gains more land by getting Georgia into they membership,so that they closer to Russia,so Russia take crimea to gain more buffer space. What about the Russian speaking Ukrainians in the donbas region,they were constantly attacked by Ukraine forces for 8 years merely because they were Russian speaking. You have to remember that nato was created in the late 40s as a purely anti-soviet organisation. And don't forget how corrupt zelensky was before all of this,he's made to look a hero by the msm,but they forget to mention things like him jailing an opposition party leader for disagreeing with his policies etc...that's the kind of thing putin does. And in the last 2 weeks zelenskys top aid who was a top military guy and advised him on everything had to resign because he basically told the truth about a missile attack that hit buildings,he said it was caused by Ukraine forces not Russian. The West don't want peace in Ukraine,Russia was going to be a big economic player in the next decade with the nordstream pipeline,the west can't have that so they trying to cripple Russia. You see Russia with the pipeline was going to be huge economically,and because they part of the brics group which stands for Brazil,Russia,India,China,South Africa,they have a lot of allies,and more are looking to join that group,Argentina for one. I feel for the Ukraine people, its awful what's happening there,however,there are no good guys,America,UK,Ukraine government and Russia...they all have they own gains from this. When you say NATO has “pushed” you are purposely misrepresenting what has actually happened. Countries quite rightly fear Russia and they seek and apply to join NATO as protection from Russia. You think that NATO should now refuse Finland and Sweden because it will upset Russia? When in fact the very reason that they want to join is because of what has happened in Ukraine. Yes there are Russian speaking people in Ukraine as there are all over the former Soviet Union. Those Russian speaking separatists in Ukraine were violently and militarily opposed to Ukraine and that is why for the last 8 years there has been conflict there. The situation is not unlike it was in Northern Ireland for decades, but it need not have escalated into murderous armed conflict had Russia not been actively supporting the separatists on the ground with men and armour for the last eight years. You know sometimes the truth is what you are seeing with your own eyes, there is no deeper reason and there is no alternative conspiracy. In this case Putin wanted to roll over Ukraine in a matter of days with the sim of sending a message to NATO countries. Instead he is up to his neck in a long term armed conflict that is costing hundreds of thousands of Russian soldiers killed, injured or captive and now NATO is about to accept Finland and Sweden into its ranks and almost the entire world is solidly backing Ukraine. OK,you have your view on it and I have mine,a lot of that above what you say is what western media wants you to believe,a one sided story like many other things in the last 20 years,true journalism has been gone since the late 90s. Finland and Sweden weren't part of the Soviet Union therefore weren't mentioned in the Minsk agreement. And nato are responsible for a lot of bad things just like Russia are,but western media always portray nato as the good guys,let's not forget Iraq,Syria,Libya and the Serbia bombing campaign in the 90s. I listen to western media,I listen to Russian media,not because I believe either side but because I like to take as much information in as possible and then go down the middle looking at facts and history. But you have your own opinions and I mine,we're never going to agree with each other so it is what it is." For what it is worth, my wife is (was) Russian. I have had a fairly balanced view of the Russian POV. She has explained very clearly to me that the entire Russian ethos is to gaslight from cradle to grave - and that is to their own people. Watching Russian TV will not give you any balance - far from it. | |||
"Would you go to the front line? I would have gone and helped in Ukraine if they allowed it they do allow it plenty from the uk and everywhere else out there fighting, book ya ticket now, No they don't allow it, they won't hand anyone that's not a Ukrainian national weapons " Not true. Plenty of non-Ukranians are armed. They won't allow civilians outwith a UA contract to carry. | |||
"We have the best army in the world "we dont we have the best national defence force in the world now we are at less than 80k men .the us marine corps is bigger has more aircraft ships and men than the whole of our armed forces combined | |||
"We have the best army in the world we dont we have the best national defence force in the world now we are at less than 80k men .the us marine corps is bigger has more aircraft ships and men than the whole of our armed forces combined "In fairness the defense budget for the US is far greater. This has always been the case. They amalgamated and reformed the UK tri-forces very much in line with the US format. Technology is slowly phasing out the need for "boots on the ground" | |||
"We have the best army in the world we dont we have the best national defence force in the world now we are at less than 80k men .the us marine corps is bigger has more aircraft ships and men than the whole of our armed forces combined "How many women though? | |||
"We have the best army in the world we dont we have the best national defence force in the world now we are at less than 80k men .the us marine corps is bigger has more aircraft ships and men than the whole of our armed forces combined
How many women though?"forces combined 230000. | |||
"We have the best army in the world we dont we have the best national defence force in the world now we are at less than 80k men .the us marine corps is bigger has more aircraft ships and men than the whole of our armed forces combined
In fairness the defense budget for the US is far greater.
This has always been the case.
They amalgamated and reformed the UK tri-forces very much in line with the US format.
Technology is slowly phasing out the need for "boots on the ground"
"having said that the we do have some of the best trained and lead troops in the world as we are an all " profesional" army not conscripted or national service men which makes our armed forces very very efective at what they do | |||
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"Interesting how conscripts are all being denigrated. They are no different from regular servicemen and women when they have completed their training They did alright 1939-46 and through until the 1960 ‘s and they seem to be doing ok in Ukraine. Conscripts come from all walks of life and if it was brought back here you would no doubt see the ducking and diving from the denigrators to avoid call up. " Conscripts arent being denigrated. But generally (yes, im speaking from personal experience) they arent as good quality as regulars. Re WW2, dont confuse volunteers with conscripts. Yes, quite a few were 'called up'. But a majority volunteered to do their bit. And that was all out war. Conscripts generally dont want to be there. And it shows in the field. Read about the Vietnam war, especially in the last few years. The US army was made up of more and more conscripts. There was more of a reluctance to engage the enemy. Even questioning/refusing orders. There are numerous interviews, especially officers who noticed a considerable difference in the attitude in their troops, from earlier in the war when it was a more professional army, to later when it was made up of more conscripts. In the Ukraine, again, most are volunteers. They left their jobs to defend their home! | |||
"I don't think I'll have a choice . Our country is so under defended. And our proffesional army is too small to have any impact. If war was declared we'd be under conscription in a matter of days. IV got previous millitary experience and I'm in half decent physical shape .I'd be called up amongst the first wave. " I seriously doubt you would...unless you have a certain specific trade/skill. And left the forces recently. Plus, anyone on the reserves list usually gets taken first. | |||
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"How long until British troops get deployed ? Do you believe conscription and/or national military service should be implemented regardless of whether we come to blows with Russia or not? . The lack of physically fit , fighting capable people in this country is ridiculous. Hard times create strong men, strong men create good times, good times create weak men, and weak men create hard times. Britain's good times are over ..yet we still create weak men " Yes, 12 months max if it continues. It is well known that once you take sides and give military hardware the government must be prepared to commit troops in future if need be, its a part of the process. Conscription - no. | |||
"I don't think I'll have a choice . Our country is so under defended. And our proffesional army is too small to have any impact. If war was declared we'd be under conscription in a matter of days. IV got previous millitary experience and I'm in half decent physical shape .I'd be called up amongst the first wave. I seriously doubt you would...unless you have a certain specific trade/skill. And left the forces recently. Plus, anyone on the reserves list usually gets taken first." As an ex servicemen and my reserve call up time expired, you are right saying reserve forces called up first, once they're called then it is best of the rest I'm afraid. Very few are exempt, ex service or not, there would be a role to suit most. | |||
"I don't think I'll have a choice . Our country is so under defended. And our proffesional army is too small to have any impact. If war was declared we'd be under conscription in a matter of days. IV got previous millitary experience and I'm in half decent physical shape .I'd be called up amongst the first wave. I seriously doubt you would...unless you have a certain specific trade/skill. And left the forces recently. Plus, anyone on the reserves list usually gets taken first. As an ex servicemen and my reserve call up time expired, you are right saying reserve forces called up first, once they're called then it is best of the rest I'm afraid. Very few are exempt, ex service or not, there would be a role to suit most. " Hasnt the terms of being a reservist changed these days? Possibly voluntary? When I joined up, depending how long you signed up for, dictated how long you were required to spend in the reserves. Its funny how many girls i know who have dated ex servicemen. And they (the girls) have all been told by the ex squaddies that they will almost definitely be called up to fight. Even guys who'd been out for 15 plus years. Of course its complete bollocks. Giving it the "yeah, im off to war" blah. I know for both Iraq and Afghan, a majority of the reservists recalled to service were medics, surgeons, and other specialist trades. Also the amount of guys saying "yeah, id go if i was allowed", or asking silly questions on certain FB pages..."ok, how do i get there?" or "yeah, im up for it. I just need to...blah blah blah". Basically full of bravado on their respective Regimental sites. But in reality, if they really wanted to go, they would. | |||
"I don't think I'll have a choice . Our country is so under defended. And our proffesional army is too small to have any impact. If war was declared we'd be under conscription in a matter of days. IV got previous millitary experience and I'm in half decent physical shape .I'd be called up amongst the first wave. I seriously doubt you would...unless you have a certain specific trade/skill. And left the forces recently. Plus, anyone on the reserves list usually gets taken first. As an ex servicemen and my reserve call up time expired, you are right saying reserve forces called up first, once they're called then it is best of the rest I'm afraid. Very few are exempt, ex service or not, there would be a role to suit most. Hasnt the terms of being a reservist changed these days? Possibly voluntary? When I joined up, depending how long you signed up for, dictated how long you were required to spend in the reserves. Its funny how many girls i know who have dated ex servicemen. And they (the girls) have all been told by the ex squaddies that they will almost definitely be called up to fight. Even guys who'd been out for 15 plus years. Of course its complete bollocks. Giving it the "yeah, im off to war" blah. I know for both Iraq and Afghan, a majority of the reservists recalled to service were medics, surgeons, and other specialist trades. Also the amount of guys saying "yeah, id go if i was allowed", or asking silly questions on certain FB pages..."ok, how do i get there?" or "yeah, im up for it. I just need to...blah blah blah". Basically full of bravado on their respective Regimental sites. But in reality, if they really wanted to go, they would." They would have to purchase their own AR500 body armor and their own kits. Ukraine is supplying their own troops first. | |||
"I don't think I'll have a choice . Our country is so under defended. And our proffesional army is too small to have any impact. If war was declared we'd be under conscription in a matter of days. IV got previous millitary experience and I'm in half decent physical shape .I'd be called up amongst the first wave. I seriously doubt you would...unless you have a certain specific trade/skill. And left the forces recently. Plus, anyone on the reserves list usually gets taken first. As an ex servicemen and my reserve call up time expired, you are right saying reserve forces called up first, once they're called then it is best of the rest I'm afraid. Very few are exempt, ex service or not, there would be a role to suit most. Hasnt the terms of being a reservist changed these days? Possibly voluntary? When I joined up, depending how long you signed up for, dictated how long you were required to spend in the reserves. Its funny how many girls i know who have dated ex servicemen. And they (the girls) have all been told by the ex squaddies that they will almost definitely be called up to fight. Even guys who'd been out for 15 plus years. Of course its complete bollocks. Giving it the "yeah, im off to war" blah. I know for both Iraq and Afghan, a majority of the reservists recalled to service were medics, surgeons, and other specialist trades. Also the amount of guys saying "yeah, id go if i was allowed", or asking silly questions on certain FB pages..."ok, how do i get there?" or "yeah, im up for it. I just need to...blah blah blah". Basically full of bravado on their respective Regimental sites. But in reality, if they really wanted to go, they would. They would have to purchase their own AR500 body armor and their own kits. Ukraine is supplying their own troops first. " Getting good quality kit has been an issue since the start, trauma medical supplies have also been an issue, the market is full of Chinese counterfeits that aren't worth a toss and have cost lives. I agree it's not difficult getting across the border, time has ed out the war tourists in the main. Its not Call of Duty. | |||
"I don't think I'll have a choice . Our country is so under defended. And our proffesional army is too small to have any impact. If war was declared we'd be under conscription in a matter of days. IV got previous millitary experience and I'm in half decent physical shape .I'd be called up amongst the first wave. I seriously doubt you would...unless you have a certain specific trade/skill. And left the forces recently. Plus, anyone on the reserves list usually gets taken first. As an ex servicemen and my reserve call up time expired, you are right saying reserve forces called up first, once they're called then it is best of the rest I'm afraid. Very few are exempt, ex service or not, there would be a role to suit most. Hasnt the terms of being a reservist changed these days? Possibly voluntary? When I joined up, depending how long you signed up for, dictated how long you were required to spend in the reserves. Its funny how many girls i know who have dated ex servicemen. And they (the girls) have all been told by the ex squaddies that they will almost definitely be called up to fight. Even guys who'd been out for 15 plus years. Of course its complete bollocks. Giving it the "yeah, im off to war" blah. I know for both Iraq and Afghan, a majority of the reservists recalled to service were medics, surgeons, and other specialist trades. Also the amount of guys saying "yeah, id go if i was allowed", or asking silly questions on certain FB pages..."ok, how do i get there?" or "yeah, im up for it. I just need to...blah blah blah". Basically full of bravado on their respective Regimental sites. But in reality, if they really wanted to go, they would. They would have to purchase their own AR500 body armor and their own kits. Ukraine is supplying their own troops first. Getting good quality kit has been an issue since the start, trauma medical supplies have also been an issue, the market is full of Chinese counterfeits that aren't worth a toss and have cost lives. I agree it's not difficult getting across the border, time has ed out the war tourists in the main. Its not Call of Duty." It's nice some people want to help. But in reality they would just be a burden. | |||
"I don't think I'll have a choice . Our country is so under defended. And our proffesional army is too small to have any impact. If war was declared we'd be under conscription in a matter of days. IV got previous millitary experience and I'm in half decent physical shape .I'd be called up amongst the first wave. I seriously doubt you would...unless you have a certain specific trade/skill. And left the forces recently. Plus, anyone on the reserves list usually gets taken first. As an ex servicemen and my reserve call up time expired, you are right saying reserve forces called up first, once they're called then it is best of the rest I'm afraid. Very few are exempt, ex service or not, there would be a role to suit most. Hasnt the terms of being a reservist changed these days? Possibly voluntary? When I joined up, depending how long you signed up for, dictated how long you were required to spend in the reserves. Its funny how many girls i know who have dated ex servicemen. And they (the girls) have all been told by the ex squaddies that they will almost definitely be called up to fight. Even guys who'd been out for 15 plus years. Of course its complete bollocks. Giving it the "yeah, im off to war" blah. I know for both Iraq and Afghan, a majority of the reservists recalled to service were medics, surgeons, and other specialist trades. Also the amount of guys saying "yeah, id go if i was allowed", or asking silly questions on certain FB pages..."ok, how do i get there?" or "yeah, im up for it. I just need to...blah blah blah". Basically full of bravado on their respective Regimental sites. But in reality, if they really wanted to go, they would. They would have to purchase their own AR500 body armor and their own kits. Ukraine is supplying their own troops first. Getting good quality kit has been an issue since the start, trauma medical supplies have also been an issue, the market is full of Chinese counterfeits that aren't worth a toss and have cost lives. I agree it's not difficult getting across the border, time has ed out the war tourists in the main. Its not Call of Duty. It's nice some people want to help. But in reality they would just be a burden." Granted not all. It was a bit mental at the start with walts and wannabees but its well and truly thinned out now for the most part | |||
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"Would you go to the front line? I would have gone and helped in Ukraine if they allowed it " This aged well… | |||
"Ever notice that those who say we should bring back conscription or we should bring back matron in hospitals or we should bring back hanging or we should bring back this or bring back that are never old enough to have any experience of these things when they were around so have zero knowledge of whether these things would be good ideas or not " Honestly?? No, never.. From my experience, its usually the ones who did National Service who suggest it should be brought back. | |||
"Would you go to the front line? I would have gone and helped in Ukraine if they allowed it This aged well… " Did you apply? Because I did | |||
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"Slightly off-topic but does anyone know why both sides are not using air burst artillery shells instead of conventional shells? You see the drone images of the front line areas with long, uncovered trenches and hundreds and thousands of shell craters in the adjoining fields. Seems like a massive waste when the trench dwellers are so poorly protected from above." They seem to have more success dropping from drones than anything else from what I've seen but that's only taking out very small groups at a time | |||
"Slightly off-topic but does anyone know why both sides are not using air burst artillery shells instead of conventional shells? You see the drone images of the front line areas with long, uncovered trenches and hundreds and thousands of shell craters in the adjoining fields. Seems like a massive waste when the trench dwellers are so poorly protected from above. They seem to have more success dropping from drones than anything else from what I've seen but that's only taking out very small groups at a time " Both mortars and artillery shells can be effective against infantry, but the choice between them depends on various factors, such as the range of the target, the terrain, and the situation on the ground. Mortars are often used for direct fire support to infantry units, and their ability to fire high-angle shots means they can hit targets that are not directly visible. They are especially effective in hitting targets in cover or behind walls and buildings, which makes them a valuable asset in urban warfare or other complex terrains. Mortars are also portable and can be quickly moved to support advancing troops. Artillery shells, on the other hand, can be used for both direct and indirect fire support. They are often used for indirect fire, with spotters relaying information about enemy positions to artillery crews who adjust their fire accordingly. Artillery shells can deliver a much greater explosive force and can cause significant damage to buildings and fortifications, making them valuable in situations where the enemy is well-entrenched. Proximity fuses are electronic devices that can be attached to both mortars and artillery shells. These devices use radar, radio, or other sensors to detect the proximity of a target and detonate the shell at the right moment. When the shell detonates in close proximity to a target, the resulting blast and fragmentation can cause significant damage to the surrounding area, including enemy troops. In the case of mortars, proximity fuses are particularly useful because mortars typically have a high angle of fire, making it difficult to hit targets that are in cover or behind buildings. By using a proximity fuse, the mortar shell can be detonated when it is close enough to the target to cause significant damage, even if the target is not directly visible. Proximity fuses are especially effective in hitting targets that are moving, such as infantry units, because they can detonate at the right moment and cause maximum damage. Both mortars and artillery shells can be effective against infantry, and the choice between them depends on various factors. Proximity fuses are a valuable addition to both types of ammunition, as they increase their effectiveness against infantry and other mobile targets. | |||
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"Slightly off-topic but does anyone know why both sides are not using air burst artillery shells instead of conventional shells? You see the drone images of the front line areas with long, uncovered trenches and hundreds and thousands of shell craters in the adjoining fields. Seems like a massive waste when the trench dwellers are so poorly protected from above. They seem to have more success dropping from drones than anything else from what I've seen but that's only taking out very small groups at a time Both mortars and artillery shells can be effective against infantry, but the choice between them depends on various factors, such as the range of the target, the terrain, and the situation on the ground. Mortars are often used for direct fire support to infantry units, and their ability to fire high-angle shots means they can hit targets that are not directly visible. They are especially effective in hitting targets in cover or behind walls and buildings, which makes them a valuable asset in urban warfare or other complex terrains. Mortars are also portable and can be quickly moved to support advancing troops. Artillery shells, on the other hand, can be used for both direct and indirect fire support. They are often used for indirect fire, with spotters relaying information about enemy positions to artillery crews who adjust their fire accordingly. Artillery shells can deliver a much greater explosive force and can cause significant damage to buildings and fortifications, making them valuable in situations where the enemy is well-entrenched. Proximity fuses are electronic devices that can be attached to both mortars and artillery shells. These devices use radar, radio, or other sensors to detect the proximity of a target and detonate the shell at the right moment. When the shell detonates in close proximity to a target, the resulting blast and fragmentation can cause significant damage to the surrounding area, including enemy troops. In the case of mortars, proximity fuses are particularly useful because mortars typically have a high angle of fire, making it difficult to hit targets that are in cover or behind buildings. By using a proximity fuse, the mortar shell can be detonated when it is close enough to the target to cause significant damage, even if the target is not directly visible. Proximity fuses are especially effective in hitting targets that are moving, such as infantry units, because they can detonate at the right moment and cause maximum damage. Both mortars and artillery shells can be effective against infantry, and the choice between them depends on various factors. Proximity fuses are a valuable addition to both types of ammunition, as they increase their effectiveness against infantry and other mobile targets." That wasn’t the question, but thanks for the information anyway. We had a demo back in the day at Warminster and the RA used various ammunition types for different targets. Overwhelmingly the air burst shells were devastating against open trenches. I am just wondering why they don’t appear to be being used very much in Ukraine. | |||
"Slightly off-topic but does anyone know why both sides are not using air burst artillery shells instead of conventional shells? You see the drone images of the front line areas with long, uncovered trenches and hundreds and thousands of shell craters in the adjoining fields. Seems like a massive waste when the trench dwellers are so poorly protected from above. They seem to have more success dropping from drones than anything else from what I've seen but that's only taking out very small groups at a time Both mortars and artillery shells can be effective against infantry, but the choice between them depends on various factors, such as the range of the target, the terrain, and the situation on the ground. Mortars are often used for direct fire support to infantry units, and their ability to fire high-angle shots means they can hit targets that are not directly visible. They are especially effective in hitting targets in cover or behind walls and buildings, which makes them a valuable asset in urban warfare or other complex terrains. Mortars are also portable and can be quickly moved to support advancing troops. Artillery shells, on the other hand, can be used for both direct and indirect fire support. They are often used for indirect fire, with spotters relaying information about enemy positions to artillery crews who adjust their fire accordingly. Artillery shells can deliver a much greater explosive force and can cause significant damage to buildings and fortifications, making them valuable in situations where the enemy is well-entrenched. Proximity fuses are electronic devices that can be attached to both mortars and artillery shells. These devices use radar, radio, or other sensors to detect the proximity of a target and detonate the shell at the right moment. When the shell detonates in close proximity to a target, the resulting blast and fragmentation can cause significant damage to the surrounding area, including enemy troops. In the case of mortars, proximity fuses are particularly useful because mortars typically have a high angle of fire, making it difficult to hit targets that are in cover or behind buildings. By using a proximity fuse, the mortar shell can be detonated when it is close enough to the target to cause significant damage, even if the target is not directly visible. Proximity fuses are especially effective in hitting targets that are moving, such as infantry units, because they can detonate at the right moment and cause maximum damage. Both mortars and artillery shells can be effective against infantry, and the choice between them depends on various factors. Proximity fuses are a valuable addition to both types of ammunition, as they increase their effectiveness against infantry and other mobile targets. That wasn’t the question, but thanks for the information anyway. We had a demo back in the day at Warminster and the RA used various ammunition types for different targets. Overwhelmingly the air burst shells were devastating against open trenches. I am just wondering why they don’t appear to be being used very much in Ukraine. " They're using them a lot apparently 155mm ones | |||
"Slightly off-topic but does anyone know why both sides are not using air burst artillery shells instead of conventional shells? You see the drone images of the front line areas with long, uncovered trenches and hundreds and thousands of shell craters in the adjoining fields. Seems like a massive waste when the trench dwellers are so poorly protected from above. They seem to have more success dropping from drones than anything else from what I've seen but that's only taking out very small groups at a time Both mortars and artillery shells can be effective against infantry, but the choice between them depends on various factors, such as the range of the target, the terrain, and the situation on the ground. Mortars are often used for direct fire support to infantry units, and their ability to fire high-angle shots means they can hit targets that are not directly visible. They are especially effective in hitting targets in cover or behind walls and buildings, which makes them a valuable asset in urban warfare or other complex terrains. Mortars are also portable and can be quickly moved to support advancing troops. Artillery shells, on the other hand, can be used for both direct and indirect fire support. They are often used for indirect fire, with spotters relaying information about enemy positions to artillery crews who adjust their fire accordingly. Artillery shells can deliver a much greater explosive force and can cause significant damage to buildings and fortifications, making them valuable in situations where the enemy is well-entrenched. Proximity fuses are electronic devices that can be attached to both mortars and artillery shells. These devices use radar, radio, or other sensors to detect the proximity of a target and detonate the shell at the right moment. When the shell detonates in close proximity to a target, the resulting blast and fragmentation can cause significant damage to the surrounding area, including enemy troops. In the case of mortars, proximity fuses are particularly useful because mortars typically have a high angle of fire, making it difficult to hit targets that are in cover or behind buildings. By using a proximity fuse, the mortar shell can be detonated when it is close enough to the target to cause significant damage, even if the target is not directly visible. Proximity fuses are especially effective in hitting targets that are moving, such as infantry units, because they can detonate at the right moment and cause maximum damage. Both mortars and artillery shells can be effective against infantry, and the choice between them depends on various factors. Proximity fuses are a valuable addition to both types of ammunition, as they increase their effectiveness against infantry and other mobile targets. That wasn’t the question, but thanks for the information anyway. We had a demo back in the day at Warminster and the RA used various ammunition types for different targets. Overwhelmingly the air burst shells were devastating against open trenches. I am just wondering why they don’t appear to be being used very much in Ukraine. " The Goal from the beginning was to attrit Russian forces. Infantry is a low tier compared to tanks ifvs command and control and supply. The accuracy of 155 Excalibur rounds compared to lobbing airbursts over infantry is much more devastating. You can't preform combined arms warfare if your armor command control and supply lines are being devastated well you can't go on the offensive. | |||
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"I read that Russia controls 40,000km of Ukrainian land... where's the UN?" it's much better to attrit the Russians for as long as it takes. Ukraine defend deep from the beginning. Then they went on counter offensive. Let them take land if you attrit enough they. Can't hold it. | |||
"I read that Russia controls 40,000km of Ukrainian land... where's the UN? it's much better to attrit the Russians for as long as it takes. Ukraine defend deep from the beginning. Then they went on counter offensive. Let them take land if you attrit enough they. Can't hold it." It pretty smart how they are achieving that goal. | |||
"Would you go to the front line? I would have gone and helped in Ukraine if they allowed it This aged well… Did you apply? Because I did" My application got lost in the post like yours! Lol… On a serious note you have nothing to prove to me, I’m not cut out for war. | |||
"Would you go to the front line? I would have gone and helped in Ukraine if they allowed it This aged well… Did you apply? Because I did My application got lost in the post like yours! Lol… On a serious note you have nothing to prove to me, I’m not cut out for war. " It's done online, you can try again 
Yeah I know buddy and same goes and my health means I got no chance anyway | |||
"Would you go to the front line? I would have gone and helped in Ukraine if they allowed it This aged well… Did you apply? Because I did My application got lost in the post like yours! Lol… On a serious note you have nothing to prove to me, I’m not cut out for war. It's done online, you can try again
Yeah I know buddy and same goes and my health means I got no chance anyway "If you say so action man? Stick to COD, as for me I have 0 war skills I’m pretty good with Excel tho - would rather make love not war. You probably don’t believe me but I’m glad you’ve not gone, it’s Friday enjoy life have a few drinks with loved ones. War is the biggest waste of life and I mean that with the greatest respect to people facing conflicts. | |||
"Would you go to the front line? I would have gone and helped in Ukraine if they allowed it This aged well… Did you apply? Because I did My application got lost in the post like yours! Lol… On a serious note you have nothing to prove to me, I’m not cut out for war. It's done online, you can try again
Yeah I know buddy and same goes and my health means I got no chance anyway
If you say so action man? Stick to COD, as for me I have 0 war skills I’m pretty good with Excel tho - would rather make love not war.
You probably don’t believe me but I’m glad you’ve not gone, it’s Friday enjoy life have a few drinks with loved ones. War is the biggest waste of life and I mean that with the greatest respect to people facing conflicts. "Nobody has ever called me action man before, I'm heading straight to the fancy dress shop tomorrow or pinching some bright leggings and a pretty corset from my mum to make a outfit. Yeah war is a waste of life for sure but it's fight or let Putin and his toy army win easy. | |||
"Would you go to the front line? I would have gone and helped in Ukraine if they allowed it This aged well… Did you apply? Because I did My application got lost in the post like yours! Lol… On a serious note you have nothing to prove to me, I’m not cut out for war. It's done online, you can try again
Yeah I know buddy and same goes and my health means I got no chance anyway
If you say so action man? Stick to COD, as for me I have 0 war skills I’m pretty good with Excel tho - would rather make love not war.
You probably don’t believe me but I’m glad you’ve not gone, it’s Friday enjoy life have a few drinks with loved ones. War is the biggest waste of life and I mean that with the greatest respect to people facing conflicts.
Nobody has ever called me action man before, I'm heading straight to the fancy dress shop tomorrow or pinching some bright leggings and a pretty corset from my mum to make a outfit.
Yeah war is a waste of life for sure but it's fight or let Putin and his toy army win easy.
"Don't try doing the action man parachute outfit, looks great in the red jump suit, but the parachute never worked came crashing to the ground every time. Top tip and good luck with the dressing up  | |||
"Would you go to the front line? I would have gone and helped in Ukraine if they allowed it This aged well… Did you apply? Because I did My application got lost in the post like yours! Lol… On a serious note you have nothing to prove to me, I’m not cut out for war. It's done online, you can try again
Yeah I know buddy and same goes and my health means I got no chance anyway
If you say so action man? Stick to COD, as for me I have 0 war skills I’m pretty good with Excel tho - would rather make love not war.
You probably don’t believe me but I’m glad you’ve not gone, it’s Friday enjoy life have a few drinks with loved ones. War is the biggest waste of life and I mean that with the greatest respect to people facing conflicts.
Nobody has ever called me action man before, I'm heading straight to the fancy dress shop tomorrow or pinching some bright leggings and a pretty corset from my mum to make a outfit.
Yeah war is a waste of life for sure but it's fight or let Putin and his toy army win easy.
Don't try doing the action man parachute outfit, looks great in the red jump suit, but the parachute never worked came crashing to the ground every time. Top tip and good luck with the dressing up "I honestly hadn't thought about a parachute till you said but now I'm considering it. From what I remember as a kid I just need some string and a tarpaulin I reckon | |||
"Would you go to the front line? I would have gone and helped in Ukraine if they allowed it This aged well… Did you apply? Because I did My application got lost in the post like yours! Lol… On a serious note you have nothing to prove to me, I’m not cut out for war. It's done online, you can try again
Yeah I know buddy and same goes and my health means I got no chance anyway
If you say so action man? Stick to COD, as for me I have 0 war skills I’m pretty good with Excel tho - would rather make love not war.
You probably don’t believe me but I’m glad you’ve not gone, it’s Friday enjoy life have a few drinks with loved ones. War is the biggest waste of life and I mean that with the greatest respect to people facing conflicts.
Nobody has ever called me action man before, I'm heading straight to the fancy dress shop tomorrow or pinching some bright leggings and a pretty corset from my mum to make a outfit.
Yeah war is a waste of life for sure but it's fight or let Putin and his toy army win easy.
Don't try doing the action man parachute outfit, looks great in the red jump suit, but the parachute never worked came crashing to the ground every time. Top tip and good luck with the dressing up
I honestly hadn't thought about a parachute till you said but now I'm considering it. From what I remember as a kid I just need some string and a tarpaulin I reckon "just remember if if the chute don't open put a hand on your head. | |||
"Would you go to the front line? I would have gone and helped in Ukraine if they allowed it This aged well… Did you apply? Because I did My application got lost in the post like yours! Lol… On a serious note you have nothing to prove to me, I’m not cut out for war. It's done online, you can try again
Yeah I know buddy and same goes and my health means I got no chance anyway
If you say so action man? Stick to COD, as for me I have 0 war skills I’m pretty good with Excel tho - would rather make love not war.
You probably don’t believe me but I’m glad you’ve not gone, it’s Friday enjoy life have a few drinks with loved ones. War is the biggest waste of life and I mean that with the greatest respect to people facing conflicts.
Nobody has ever called me action man before, I'm heading straight to the fancy dress shop tomorrow or pinching some bright leggings and a pretty corset from my mum to make a outfit.
Yeah war is a waste of life for sure but it's fight or let Putin and his toy army win easy.
Don't try doing the action man parachute outfit, looks great in the red jump suit, but the parachute never worked came crashing to the ground every time. Top tip and good luck with the dressing up
I honestly hadn't thought about a parachute till you said but now I'm considering it. From what I remember as a kid I just need some string and a tarpaulin I reckon just remember if if the chute don't open put a hand on your head."One on each to be safe | |||
"Would you go to the front line? I would have gone and helped in Ukraine if they allowed it This aged well… Did you apply? Because I did My application got lost in the post like yours! Lol… On a serious note you have nothing to prove to me, I’m not cut out for war. It's done online, you can try again
Yeah I know buddy and same goes and my health means I got no chance anyway
If you say so action man? Stick to COD, as for me I have 0 war skills I’m pretty good with Excel tho - would rather make love not war.
You probably don’t believe me but I’m glad you’ve not gone, it’s Friday enjoy life have a few drinks with loved ones. War is the biggest waste of life and I mean that with the greatest respect to people facing conflicts.
Nobody has ever called me action man before, I'm heading straight to the fancy dress shop tomorrow or pinching some bright leggings and a pretty corset from my mum to make a outfit.
Yeah war is a waste of life for sure but it's fight or let Putin and his toy army win easy.
Don't try doing the action man parachute outfit, looks great in the red jump suit, but the parachute never worked came crashing to the ground every time. Top tip and good luck with the dressing up
I honestly hadn't thought about a parachute till you said but now I'm considering it. From what I remember as a kid I just need some string and a tarpaulin I reckon just remember if if the chute don't open put a hand on your head.
One on each to be safe"putting your hand on your head gives someone a handle to pick you up with | |||
"Would you go to the front line? I would have gone and helped in Ukraine if they allowed it This aged well… Did you apply? Because I did My application got lost in the post like yours! Lol… On a serious note you have nothing to prove to me, I’m not cut out for war. It's done online, you can try again
Yeah I know buddy and same goes and my health means I got no chance anyway
If you say so action man? Stick to COD, as for me I have 0 war skills I’m pretty good with Excel tho - would rather make love not war.
You probably don’t believe me but I’m glad you’ve not gone, it’s Friday enjoy life have a few drinks with loved ones. War is the biggest waste of life and I mean that with the greatest respect to people facing conflicts.
Nobody has ever called me action man before, I'm heading straight to the fancy dress shop tomorrow or pinching some bright leggings and a pretty corset from my mum to make a outfit.
Yeah war is a waste of life for sure but it's fight or let Putin and his toy army win easy.
Don't try doing the action man parachute outfit, looks great in the red jump suit, but the parachute never worked came crashing to the ground every time. Top tip and good luck with the dressing up
I honestly hadn't thought about a parachute till you said but now I'm considering it. From what I remember as a kid I just need some string and a tarpaulin I reckon just remember if if the chute don't open put a hand on your head.
One on each to be safe putting your hand on your head gives someone a handle to pick you up with "I've learnt something valuable today, it's like finding out the brace position during a plane crash I so it's less likely your head will come off | |||
"Would you go to the front line? I would have gone and helped in Ukraine if they allowed it This aged well… Did you apply? Because I did My application got lost in the post like yours! Lol… On a serious note you have nothing to prove to me, I’m not cut out for war. It's done online, you can try again
Yeah I know buddy and same goes and my health means I got no chance anyway
If you say so action man? Stick to COD, as for me I have 0 war skills I’m pretty good with Excel tho - would rather make love not war.
You probably don’t believe me but I’m glad you’ve not gone, it’s Friday enjoy life have a few drinks with loved ones. War is the biggest waste of life and I mean that with the greatest respect to people facing conflicts.
Nobody has ever called me action man before, I'm heading straight to the fancy dress shop tomorrow or pinching some bright leggings and a pretty corset from my mum to make a outfit.
Yeah war is a waste of life for sure but it's fight or let Putin and his toy army win easy.
Don't try doing the action man parachute outfit, looks great in the red jump suit, but the parachute never worked came crashing to the ground every time. Top tip and good luck with the dressing up
I honestly hadn't thought about a parachute till you said but now I'm considering it. From what I remember as a kid I just need some string and a tarpaulin I reckon just remember if if the chute don't open put a hand on your head.
One on each to be safe putting your hand on your head gives someone a handle to pick you up with
I've learnt something valuable today, it's like finding out the brace position during a plane crash I so it's less likely your head will come off "lol I learned that at jump school. The Drill Sargents had plenty of dark humor. | |||
"Would you go to the front line? I would have gone and helped in Ukraine if they allowed it This aged well… Did you apply? Because I did My application got lost in the post like yours! Lol… On a serious note you have nothing to prove to me, I’m not cut out for war. It's done online, you can try again
Yeah I know buddy and same goes and my health means I got no chance anyway
If you say so action man? Stick to COD, as for me I have 0 war skills I’m pretty good with Excel tho - would rather make love not war.
You probably don’t believe me but I’m glad you’ve not gone, it’s Friday enjoy life have a few drinks with loved ones. War is the biggest waste of life and I mean that with the greatest respect to people facing conflicts.
Nobody has ever called me action man before, I'm heading straight to the fancy dress shop tomorrow or pinching some bright leggings and a pretty corset from my mum to make a outfit.
Yeah war is a waste of life for sure but it's fight or let Putin and his toy army win easy.
Don't try doing the action man parachute outfit, looks great in the red jump suit, but the parachute never worked came crashing to the ground every time. Top tip and good luck with the dressing up
I honestly hadn't thought about a parachute till you said but now I'm considering it. From what I remember as a kid I just need some string and a tarpaulin I reckon just remember if if the chute don't open put a hand on your head.
One on each to be safe putting your hand on your head gives someone a handle to pick you up with
I've learnt something valuable today, it's like finding out the brace position during a plane crash I so it's less likely your head will come off lol I learned that at jump school. The Drill Sargents had plenty of dark humor."Dark humour is the best | |||
"Would you go to the front line? I would have gone and helped in Ukraine if they allowed it This aged well… Did you apply? Because I did My application got lost in the post like yours! Lol… On a serious note you have nothing to prove to me, I’m not cut out for war. It's done online, you can try again
Yeah I know buddy and same goes and my health means I got no chance anyway
If you say so action man? Stick to COD, as for me I have 0 war skills I’m pretty good with Excel tho - would rather make love not war.
You probably don’t believe me but I’m glad you’ve not gone, it’s Friday enjoy life have a few drinks with loved ones. War is the biggest waste of life and I mean that with the greatest respect to people facing conflicts.
Nobody has ever called me action man before, I'm heading straight to the fancy dress shop tomorrow or pinching some bright leggings and a pretty corset from my mum to make a outfit.
Yeah war is a waste of life for sure but it's fight or let Putin and his toy army win easy.
Don't try doing the action man parachute outfit, looks great in the red jump suit, but the parachute never worked came crashing to the ground every time. Top tip and good luck with the dressing up
I honestly hadn't thought about a parachute till you said but now I'm considering it. From what I remember as a kid I just need some string and a tarpaulin I reckon just remember if if the chute don't open put a hand on your head.
One on each to be safe putting your hand on your head gives someone a handle to pick you up with
I've learnt something valuable today, it's like finding out the brace position during a plane crash I so it's less likely your head will come off lol I learned that at jump school. The Drill Sargents had plenty of dark humor.
Dark humour is the best "It's worse then that you where a lap belt so on impact it cuts you in half. Death is cheaper then someone needing 24/7 care oh and the survival rate over the wings is the lowest. | |||
"Would you go to the front line? I would have gone and helped in Ukraine if they allowed it This aged well… Did you apply? Because I did My application got lost in the post like yours! Lol… On a serious note you have nothing to prove to me, I’m not cut out for war. It's done online, you can try again
Yeah I know buddy and same goes and my health means I got no chance anyway
If you say so action man? Stick to COD, as for me I have 0 war skills I’m pretty good with Excel tho - would rather make love not war.
You probably don’t believe me but I’m glad you’ve not gone, it’s Friday enjoy life have a few drinks with loved ones. War is the biggest waste of life and I mean that with the greatest respect to people facing conflicts.
Nobody has ever called me action man before, I'm heading straight to the fancy dress shop tomorrow or pinching some bright leggings and a pretty corset from my mum to make a outfit.
Yeah war is a waste of life for sure but it's fight or let Putin and his toy army win easy.
Don't try doing the action man parachute outfit, looks great in the red jump suit, but the parachute never worked came crashing to the ground every time. Top tip and good luck with the dressing up
I honestly hadn't thought about a parachute till you said but now I'm considering it. From what I remember as a kid I just need some string and a tarpaulin I reckon just remember if if the chute don't open put a hand on your head.
One on each to be safe putting your hand on your head gives someone a handle to pick you up with
I've learnt something valuable today, it's like finding out the brace position during a plane crash I so it's less likely your head will come off lol I learned that at jump school. The Drill Sargents had plenty of dark humor.
Dark humour is the best
It's worse then that you where a lap belt so on impact it cuts you in half. Death is cheaper then someone needing 24/7 care oh and the survival rate over the wings is the lowest."I've always been put over the wings  | |||
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