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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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Like many people, I've been following the story of the Zahawi scandal as it comes out drip by drip. It gets worse all the time.
Is he gonna resign/ get sacked? Or is he gonna make a miraculous comeback after - ooh I dunno - going on Strictly or some shit like that? |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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With PMQs incoming, Zahawi may be forced out just before it.
Or Sunak et al will stand up there & push the usual lines: investigation, process, we must wait, can't talk about it etc. But that will go down like a lead balloon. |
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"Like many people, I've been following the story of the Zahawi scandal as it comes out drip by drip. It gets worse all the time.
Is he gonna resign/ get sacked? Or is he gonna make a miraculous comeback after - ooh I dunno - going on Strictly or some shit like that?"
As has been made plain by people on here who vote Conservative. They do not give a fuck about Tory party sleaze or corruption. The Tory party know that their voters are loyal regardless of how they are treated. So why would anything happen to Zahawi! They'll crack on as they always have. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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The new SNP leader asked a lovely little question: “What advice has the PM for anyone trying to protect their finances? Should they ask the BBC Chair to organise an £800k loan? Or open a Gibraltar trust fund & hope our tax authorities don’t notice? Or just apply for non dom status?” |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"The new SNP leader asked a lovely little question: “What advice has the PM for anyone trying to protect their finances? Should they ask the BBC Chair to organise an £800k loan? Or open a Gibraltar trust fund & hope our tax authorities don’t notice? Or just apply for non dom status?”"
When SKS asked Sunak about Zahawi at PMQs waffled on about Corbyn,  |
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"The new SNP leader asked a lovely little question: “What advice has the PM for anyone trying to protect their finances? Should they ask the BBC Chair to organise an £800k loan? Or open a Gibraltar trust fund & hope our tax authorities don’t notice? Or just apply for non dom status?”
When SKS asked Sunak about Zahawi at PMQs waffled on about Corbyn, "
It's a good point though, what about Corbyn/Labour/Aliens? |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"The new SNP leader asked a lovely little question: “What advice has the PM for anyone trying to protect their finances? Should they ask the BBC Chair to organise an £800k loan? Or open a Gibraltar trust fund & hope our tax authorities don’t notice? Or just apply for non dom status?”
When SKS asked Sunak about Zahawi at PMQs waffled on about Corbyn, "
What about Corbyn seems to be the Tory defence when they have nothing at all. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"The new SNP leader asked a lovely little question: “What advice has the PM for anyone trying to protect their finances? Should they ask the BBC Chair to organise an £800k loan? Or open a Gibraltar trust fund & hope our tax authorities don’t notice? Or just apply for non dom status?”
When SKS asked Sunak about Zahawi at PMQs waffled on about Corbyn,
It's a good point though, what about Corbyn/Labour/Aliens?"
It seeks to be his standard response at PMQs, maybe somebody should tell him that SKS expelled Corbyn from the Labour Party |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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Zahawi seems to be in hiding at the moment, praying everyone will forget about him. The fuckwit is still tweeting though. And based on people's replies, they aren't exactly happy with him... |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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He could have easily avoided tax like many other MP's do through shell companies and the like. The fact he didn't shows an appalling lack of competence in his own money so he certainly should never have been made chancellor in the first place. |
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By *eroy1000Man
over a year ago
milton keynes |
"‘There are no penalties for "innocent" tax errors, the boss of HM Revenue & Customs (HMRC) has told MPs’. "
That's what I read to, though they say there are penalties for carelessness which is what he and HMRC claim has happened. A very tangled web indeed and not good by any standard |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"‘There are no penalties for "innocent" tax errors, the boss of HM Revenue & Customs (HMRC) has told MPs’.
That's what I read to, though they say there are penalties for carelessness which is what he and HMRC claim has happened. A very tangled web indeed and not good by any standard"
he's gone for "i wasn't done for dangerous driving. The police agreed I had just been careless".
That doesn't mean you haven't not done anything wrong. |
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By *eroy1000Man
over a year ago
milton keynes |
"‘There are no penalties for "innocent" tax errors, the boss of HM Revenue & Customs (HMRC) has told MPs’.
That's what I read to, though they say there are penalties for carelessness which is what he and HMRC claim has happened. A very tangled web indeed and not good by any standardhe's gone for "i wasn't done for dangerous driving. The police agreed I had just been careless".
That doesn't mean you haven't not done anything wrong. "
I totally agree and have said as much on the other thread. As far as I understand both he and the HMRC say he done wrong. The HMRC are saying its not an innocent error that does not warrant a penalty (though you do have to pay interest). They say it was careless which does warrant the penalty and apparently has been applied. At present they also say it was not deliberate though I would not be surprised if more evidence comes to light on that. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"‘There are no penalties for "innocent" tax errors, the boss of HM Revenue & Customs (HMRC) has told MPs’.
That's what I read to, though they say there are penalties for carelessness which is what he and HMRC claim has happened. A very tangled web indeed and not good by any standardhe's gone for "i wasn't done for dangerous driving. The police agreed I had just been careless".
That doesn't mean you haven't not done anything wrong.
I totally agree and have said as much on the other thread. As far as I understand both he and the HMRC say he done wrong. The HMRC are saying its not an innocent error that does not warrant a penalty (though you do have to pay interest). They say it was careless which does warrant the penalty and apparently has been applied. At present they also say it was not deliberate though I would not be surprised if more evidence comes to light on that. "
ameteur prediction hour.
It will come out Zahawi claimed he was following accountants advice and didnt know any better. He thought it was a legit IHT play.
HMRC will say that you have responsibility over your tax and can't use the following orders line. And a reasonable man would have asked questions. And not doubled down when a tax specialist throws shade.
Later, further dodgy dealings will come out. Already there are rumours of loans funding companies. I wouldn't be surprised if the trust bought the house he lives in. (One he has has scammed btw).
Now there's blood other shady shit will come out. Stories will be leaked to distract from other stories.
He resigns not because he's guilty, but to help stop being a distraction and allow the Tories to govern. Which basically means allow the wheels to spin until the next self induced shit storm |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"‘There are no penalties for "innocent" tax errors, the boss of HM Revenue & Customs (HMRC) has told MPs’.
That's what I read to, though they say there are penalties for carelessness which is what he and HMRC claim has happened. A very tangled web indeed and not good by any standardhe's gone for "i wasn't done for dangerous driving. The police agreed I had just been careless".
That doesn't mean you haven't not done anything wrong.
I totally agree and have said as much on the other thread. As far as I understand both he and the HMRC say he done wrong. The HMRC are saying its not an innocent error that does not warrant a penalty (though you do have to pay interest). They say it was careless which does warrant the penalty and apparently has been applied. At present they also say it was not deliberate though I would not be surprised if more evidence comes to light on that. "
It's worse, though. At the time he settled his taxing issue with HMRC, Zahawi was basically in charge of it. He was chancellor! |
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By *irldnCouple
over a year ago
Brighton |
"‘There are no penalties for "innocent" tax errors, the boss of HM Revenue & Customs (HMRC) has told MPs’.
That's what I read to, though they say there are penalties for carelessness which is what he and HMRC claim has happened. A very tangled web indeed and not good by any standardhe's gone for "i wasn't done for dangerous driving. The police agreed I had just been careless".
That doesn't mean you haven't not done anything wrong.
I totally agree and have said as much on the other thread. As far as I understand both he and the HMRC say he done wrong. The HMRC are saying its not an innocent error that does not warrant a penalty (though you do have to pay interest). They say it was careless which does warrant the penalty and apparently has been applied. At present they also say it was not deliberate though I would not be surprised if more evidence comes to light on that.
It's worse, though. At the time he settled his taxing issue with HMRC, Zahawi was basically in charge of it. He was chancellor!"
Imagine being the HMRC Civil Servant tax investigator who picked up this job! No idea how these things get allocated but I bet he/she was like “oh shit!”
Then imagine being the Civil Servant (no idea if the tax investigator does this bit too?) who has to have a meeting with Zahawi (and his reps?) to discuss the way forward!
The pressure (and potential for career limitation) would have been immense! |
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By *eroy1000Man
over a year ago
milton keynes |
"‘There are no penalties for "innocent" tax errors, the boss of HM Revenue & Customs (HMRC) has told MPs’.
That's what I read to, though they say there are penalties for carelessness which is what he and HMRC claim has happened. A very tangled web indeed and not good by any standardhe's gone for "i wasn't done for dangerous driving. The police agreed I had just been careless".
That doesn't mean you haven't not done anything wrong.
I totally agree and have said as much on the other thread. As far as I understand both he and the HMRC say he done wrong. The HMRC are saying its not an innocent error that does not warrant a penalty (though you do have to pay interest). They say it was careless which does warrant the penalty and apparently has been applied. At present they also say it was not deliberate though I would not be surprised if more evidence comes to light on that.
It's worse, though. At the time he settled his taxing issue with HMRC, Zahawi was basically in charge of it. He was chancellor!"
Yes that's my understanding too and think it needs independent investigation into both his tax affairs and the HMRC investigation, to try and discover any pressure or influence to achieve the outcome of careless as opposed to deliberate. At present they seem to be sticking with careless |
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"He could have easily avoided tax like many other MP's do through shell companies and the like. The fact he didn't shows an appalling lack of competence in his own money so he certainly should never have been made chancellor in the first place."
So immoral and incompetent.
Excellent. |
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By *ony 2016Man
over a year ago
Huddersfield /derby cinemas |
Sunak now decides that someone breaking The Ministerial Code should be sacked ,the very same Sunak who appointed Braverman to a ministerial post shortly after she broke The Ministerial Code |
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"Sunak now decides that someone breaking The Ministerial Code should be sacked ,the very same Sunak who appointed Braverman to a ministerial post shortly after she broke The Ministerial Code"
This..
Rabb next most likely.. |
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"Sunak now decides that someone breaking The Ministerial Code should be sacked ,the very same Sunak who appointed Braverman to a ministerial post shortly after she broke The Ministerial Code"
She said "sorry for the errors of judgement" so her transgression is apparantly now nullified. |
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By *abioMan
over a year ago
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"He has been sacked
Good riddance, though it should have been done days ago "
They waited on the report from sunaks ethics advisor… found guilty of breaking the ministerial code on 3 separate grounds
Covering up the hmrc investigation
Covering up the findings
Making untrue statements to the media about the above two….
The report from the ethics advisor to sunak is so damning sue grey is jealous!  |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"He has been sacked
Good riddance, though it should have been done days ago
They waited on the report from sunaks ethics advisor… found guilty of breaking the ministerial code on 3 separate grounds
Covering up the hmrc investigation
Covering up the findings
Making untrue statements to the media about the above two….
The report from the ethics advisor to sunak is so damning sue grey is jealous! "
how did he not fall on his sword. The issues were so "factual" that he was always going to be found guilty of breaking the code.
I guess he gambled on noone doing an investigation and that it was too late when it happened.
I know sunak as been seen as being weak here ... I wonder if he's played a blinder to get rid of one those he was almost forced to take on... It's lock stock case and RS has no option ... |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Zahawi letter back to the pm is a thing of beauty…
No apologies or contrition, blaming the press and playing the victim!!!
Truely astounding….."
man who brings family into his tax affairs gets angry at press for bringing family into the story.
Man who was threating legal action on press for telling lies get angry that press go after him when the were found to be true.
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"Zahawi letter back to the pm is a thing of beauty…
No apologies or contrition, blaming the press and playing the victim!!!
Truely astounding….."
Prisoners aren't allowed out on parole unless they show remorse for their crime. He shouldn't be allowed to remain an MP |
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Sacked, too late with a fawning letter about how great a job he did. And then a reply with not a shred of remorse. And not even properly sacked - he’s still an MP, still gets his salary. Motherfucker should be in jail. |
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By *amantMan
over a year ago
Alnmouth |
Doesn't the lack of contrition just make you question what they must think of ordinary people? This is a man who wanted to be Prime Minister not that long ago. Wonder if he'll get another cabinet job after the next reshuffle. |
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"Doesn't the lack of contrition just make you question what they must think of ordinary people? This is a man who wanted to be Prime Minister not that long ago. Wonder if he'll get another cabinet job after the next reshuffle. "
Ordinary people are a minor inconvenience to them. Just have to put some effort into conning the electorate to continue their obedience. |
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By *asyukMan
over a year ago
West London |
"‘There are no penalties for "innocent" tax errors, the boss of HM Revenue & Customs (HMRC) has told MPs’.
That's what I read to, though they say there are penalties for carelessness which is what he and HMRC claim has happened. A very tangled web indeed and not good by any standardhe's gone for "i wasn't done for dangerous driving. The police agreed I had just been careless".
That doesn't mean you haven't not done anything wrong.
I totally agree and have said as much on the other thread. As far as I understand both he and the HMRC say he done wrong. The HMRC are saying its not an innocent error that does not warrant a penalty (though you do have to pay interest). They say it was careless which does warrant the penalty and apparently has been applied. At present they also say it was not deliberate though I would not be surprised if more evidence comes to light on that.
It's worse, though. At the time he settled his taxing issue with HMRC, Zahawi was basically in charge of it. He was chancellor!
Yes that's my understanding too and think it needs independent investigation into both his tax affairs and the HMRC investigation, to try and discover any pressure or influence to achieve the outcome of careless as opposed to deliberate. At present they seem to be sticking with careless"
"Careless" is not the word used in everyday life. It is how HMRC describes "negligent". |
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By *irldnCouple
over a year ago
Brighton |
"Has he been sacked as an MP?
No. That's not possible"
I believe his constituents can insist on a recall though right? Force a by-election. Says a lot about the constituents if they don’t! |
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"Has he been sacked as an MP?
No. That's not possible
I believe his constituents can insist on a recall though right? Force a by-election. Says a lot about the constituents if they don’t!"
I believe that to be the case. Not entirely sure on the full process |
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By *irldnCouple
over a year ago
Brighton |
"Has he been sacked as an MP?
No. That's not possible
I believe his constituents can insist on a recall though right? Force a by-election. Says a lot about the constituents if they don’t!
I believe that to be the case. Not entirely sure on the full process"
Google is my friend...
“Unlike recall procedures in some other countries, the act does not allow constituents to initiate proceedings. Instead, proceedings are initiated only if an MP is found guilty of a wrongdoing that fulfils certain criteria. This petition is successful if at least one in ten voters in the constituency sign. Successful petitions force the recalled MP to vacate the seat, resulting in a by-election.”
I wonder if attempted tax dodging to the tune if £millions, lying about it, trying to scare journalists into silence with libel suits, and being fined by HMRC, counts? |
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"Has he been sacked as an MP?
No. That's not possible
I believe his constituents can insist on a recall though right? Force a by-election. Says a lot about the constituents if they don’t!
I believe that to be the case. Not entirely sure on the full process
Google is my friend...
“Unlike recall procedures in some other countries, the act does not allow constituents to initiate proceedings. Instead, proceedings are initiated only if an MP is found guilty of a wrongdoing that fulfils certain criteria. This petition is successful if at least one in ten voters in the constituency sign. Successful petitions force the recalled MP to vacate the seat, resulting in a by-election.”
I wonder if attempted tax dodging to the tune if £millions, lying about it, trying to scare journalists into silence with libel suits, and being fined by HMRC, counts?"
Further...
Section 1 sets out the circumstances in which the Speaker of the House of Commons would trigger the recall process, namely:
A custodial prison sentence (including a suspended sentence);[note 1]Suspension from the House of at least 10 sitting days or 14 calendar days, following a report by the Committee on Standards;[note 2]A conviction for providing false or misleading expenses claims. |
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Let's just hope SKS gives it full beans in PM's this week.
Labour should be going all out, going for the jugular.
This Tory government is doing very well at self sabotage.
But if role's where reversed I have no doubt that they would be extremely vocal condemning labour.
They are a bunch of hypocritical crooks. |
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