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"If Starmer has a clear vision of what the UK under a Labour government led by him would look like – and how different it would be to the Tory-led UK – he has not yet shared it with the rest of us. The thinking behind his pledge to the electorate appears to be that he is not Boris Johnson and that he isn’t Jeremy Corbyn either. Ironically, despite ridiculing Corbyn’s tenure for being focused on protest rather than power, Starmer’s electoral strategy relies on winning a protest vote! But the British people rarely elect empty suits. Even his own shadow cabinet was telling the press that he is “boring“. If he can’t even energise a group of carefully selected loyalists like them, exciting the electorate will be a huge battle. Add to that the war he declared on the left of his own party, the unions the party was created to represent, and the lack of any ideas to fight the cost of living crisis caused by the invasion of Ukraine, and it’s hard to imagine from where Labour will draw the supporters and campaigners required for an effective get-out-the-vote operation, particularly as things improve on the economic front. Tory voters look set to now forgive and forget the turbulent Truss tenure and return to the Tories and the polls will hopefully soon reflect this "What's the Government's "clear vision of what the UK" under the Conservatives? "Forgive and forget" Truss and Johnson and now screwing all public service workers for a decade and the general population with declining public services? Sounds like wishful thinking, Pat. | |||
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"If Starmer has a clear vision of what the UK under a Labour government led by him would look like – and how different it would be to the Tory-led UK – he has not yet shared it with the rest of us. The thinking behind his pledge to the electorate appears to be that he is not Boris Johnson and that he isn’t Jeremy Corbyn either. Ironically, despite ridiculing Corbyn’s tenure for being focused on protest rather than power, Starmer’s electoral strategy relies on winning a protest vote! But the British people rarely elect empty suits. Even his own shadow cabinet was telling the press that he is “boring“. If he can’t even energise a group of carefully selected loyalists like them, exciting the electorate will be a huge battle. Add to that the war he declared on the left of his own party, the unions the party was created to represent, and the lack of any ideas to fight the cost of living crisis caused by the invasion of Ukraine, and it’s hard to imagine from where Labour will draw the supporters and campaigners required for an effective get-out-the-vote operation, particularly as things improve on the economic front. Tory voters look set to now forgive and forget the turbulent Truss tenure and return to the Tories and the polls will hopefully soon reflect this "Rishi Sunak is boring | |||
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"If Starmer has a clear vision of what the UK under a Labour government led by him would look like – and how different it would be to the Tory-led UK – he has not yet shared it with the rest of us. The thinking behind his pledge to the electorate appears to be that he is not Boris Johnson and that he isn’t Jeremy Corbyn either. Ironically, despite ridiculing Corbyn’s tenure for being focused on protest rather than power, Starmer’s electoral strategy relies on winning a protest vote! But the British people rarely elect empty suits. Even his own shadow cabinet was telling the press that he is “boring“. If he can’t even energise a group of carefully selected loyalists like them, exciting the electorate will be a huge battle. Add to that the war he declared on the left of his own party, the unions the party was created to represent, and the lack of any ideas to fight the cost of living crisis caused by the invasion of Ukraine, and it’s hard to imagine from where Labour will draw the supporters and campaigners required for an effective get-out-the-vote operation, particularly as things improve on the economic front. Tory voters look set to now forgive and forget the turbulent Truss tenure and return to the Tories and the polls will hopefully soon reflect this
Rishi Sunak is boring "I'm all for boring politicians. Not so keen on this boring politician's policies though. | |||
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"If Starmer has a clear vision of what the UK under a Labour government led by him would look like – and how different it would be to the Tory-led UK – he has not yet shared it with the rest of us. The thinking behind his pledge to the electorate appears to be that he is not Boris Johnson and that he isn’t Jeremy Corbyn either. Ironically, despite ridiculing Corbyn’s tenure for being focused on protest rather than power, Starmer’s electoral strategy relies on winning a protest vote! But the British people rarely elect empty suits. Even his own shadow cabinet was telling the press that he is “boring“. If he can’t even energise a group of carefully selected loyalists like them, exciting the electorate will be a huge battle. Add to that the war he declared on the left of his own party, the unions the party was created to represent, and the lack of any ideas to fight the cost of living crisis caused by the invasion of Ukraine, and it’s hard to imagine from where Labour will draw the supporters and campaigners required for an effective get-out-the-vote operation, particularly as things improve on the economic front. Tory voters look set to now forgive and forget the turbulent Truss tenure and return to the Tories and the polls will hopefully soon reflect this
Rishi Sunak is boring
I'm all for boring politicians.
Not so keen on this boring politician's policies though."I agree, it wasn’t a criticism , just pointing out the poster’s hypocrisy .  | |||
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"If Starmer has a clear vision of what the UK under a Labour government led by him would look like – and how different it would be to the Tory-led UK – he has not yet shared it with the rest of us. The thinking behind his pledge to the electorate appears to be that he is not Boris Johnson and that he isn’t Jeremy Corbyn either. Ironically, despite ridiculing Corbyn’s tenure for being focused on protest rather than power, Starmer’s electoral strategy relies on winning a protest vote! But the British people rarely elect empty suits. Even his own shadow cabinet was telling the press that he is “boring“. If he can’t even energise a group of carefully selected loyalists like them, exciting the electorate will be a huge battle. Add to that the war he declared on the left of his own party, the unions the party was created to represent, and the lack of any ideas to fight the cost of living crisis caused by the invasion of Ukraine, and it’s hard to imagine from where Labour will draw the supporters and campaigners required for an effective get-out-the-vote operation, particularly as things improve on the economic front. Tory voters look set to now forgive and forget the turbulent Truss tenure and return to the Tories and the polls will hopefully soon reflect this
Rishi Sunak is boring "Deflection and whataboutery | |||
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"If Starmer has a clear vision of what the UK under a Labour government led by him would look like – and how different it would be to the Tory-led UK – he has not yet shared it with the rest of us. The thinking behind his pledge to the electorate appears to be that he is not Boris Johnson and that he isn’t Jeremy Corbyn either. Ironically, despite ridiculing Corbyn’s tenure for being focused on protest rather than power, Starmer’s electoral strategy relies on winning a protest vote! But the British people rarely elect empty suits. Even his own shadow cabinet was telling the press that he is “boring“. If he can’t even energise a group of carefully selected loyalists like them, exciting the electorate will be a huge battle. Add to that the war he declared on the left of his own party, the unions the party was created to represent, and the lack of any ideas to fight the cost of living crisis caused by the invasion of Ukraine, and it’s hard to imagine from where Labour will draw the supporters and campaigners required for an effective get-out-the-vote operation, particularly as things improve on the economic front. Tory voters look set to now forgive and forget the turbulent Truss tenure and return to the Tories and the polls will hopefully soon reflect this
Rishi Sunak is boring
I'm all for boring politicians.
Not so keen on this boring politician's policies though."At least he has some | |||
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"If Starmer has a clear vision of what the UK under a Labour government led by him would look like – and how different it would be to the Tory-led UK – he has not yet shared it with the rest of us. The thinking behind his pledge to the electorate appears to be that he is not Boris Johnson and that he isn’t Jeremy Corbyn either. Ironically, despite ridiculing Corbyn’s tenure for being focused on protest rather than power, Starmer’s electoral strategy relies on winning a protest vote! But the British people rarely elect empty suits. Even his own shadow cabinet was telling the press that he is “boring“. If he can’t even energise a group of carefully selected loyalists like them, exciting the electorate will be a huge battle. Add to that the war he declared on the left of his own party, the unions the party was created to represent, and the lack of any ideas to fight the cost of living crisis caused by the invasion of Ukraine, and it’s hard to imagine from where Labour will draw the supporters and campaigners required for an effective get-out-the-vote operation, particularly as things improve on the economic front. Tory voters look set to now forgive and forget the turbulent Truss tenure and return to the Tories and the polls will hopefully soon reflect this
Rishi Sunak is boring
I'm all for boring politicians.
Not so keen on this boring politician's policies though.
I agree, it wasn’t a criticism , just pointing out the poster’s hypocrisy . "Hypocrisy? Don't you mean metaphor? Quest of a wave?  | |||
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"If Starmer has a clear vision of what the UK under a Labour government led by him would look like – and how different it would be to the Tory-led UK – he has not yet shared it with the rest of us. The thinking behind his pledge to the electorate appears to be that he is not Boris Johnson and that he isn’t Jeremy Corbyn either. Ironically, despite ridiculing Corbyn’s tenure for being focused on protest rather than power, Starmer’s electoral strategy relies on winning a protest vote! But the British people rarely elect empty suits. Even his own shadow cabinet was telling the press that he is “boring“. If he can’t even energise a group of carefully selected loyalists like them, exciting the electorate will be a huge battle. Add to that the war he declared on the left of his own party, the unions the party was created to represent, and the lack of any ideas to fight the cost of living crisis caused by the invasion of Ukraine, and it’s hard to imagine from where Labour will draw the supporters and campaigners required for an effective get-out-the-vote operation, particularly as things improve on the economic front. Tory voters look set to now forgive and forget the turbulent Truss tenure and return to the Tories and the polls will hopefully soon reflect this
Rishi Sunak is boring
I'm all for boring politicians.
Not so keen on this boring politician's policies though.
I agree, it wasn’t a criticism , just pointing out the poster’s hypocrisy . "Fair point. | |||
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"If Starmer has a clear vision of what the UK under a Labour government led by him would look like – and how different it would be to the Tory-led UK – he has not yet shared it with the rest of us. The thinking behind his pledge to the electorate appears to be that he is not Boris Johnson and that he isn’t Jeremy Corbyn either. Ironically, despite ridiculing Corbyn’s tenure for being focused on protest rather than power, Starmer’s electoral strategy relies on winning a protest vote! But the British people rarely elect empty suits. Even his own shadow cabinet was telling the press that he is “boring“. If he can’t even energise a group of carefully selected loyalists like them, exciting the electorate will be a huge battle. Add to that the war he declared on the left of his own party, the unions the party was created to represent, and the lack of any ideas to fight the cost of living crisis caused by the invasion of Ukraine, and it’s hard to imagine from where Labour will draw the supporters and campaigners required for an effective get-out-the-vote operation, particularly as things improve on the economic front. Tory voters look set to now forgive and forget the turbulent Truss tenure and return to the Tories and the polls will hopefully soon reflect this
Rishi Sunak is boring
I'm all for boring politicians.
Not so keen on this boring politician's policies though.
At least he has some "What are Sunak's? What's the Government's "clear vision of what the UK" is and will be under the Conservatives? The Labour party do have some policies published. You can look them up. I like some find others acceptable and dislike others. I imagine they will have to work out much of the rest when they know what the circumstances as re closer to the election. That's all fairly obvious. | |||
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"Is it just me or is anyone else starting to think Pat sounds a bit rattled?" Which version of Pat? Even if these are separate individuals they are all expressing aspects of the same personality type. What I find interesting is the accusation that not supporting this series of incompetent governments makes someone a leftie/socialist/ labour supporter. When you view the number of Conservative MPs who have resigned the whip or been forced out of the party or are saying don't vote for a party they don't recognise, it's an "interesting" perspective to be pushing... | |||
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"My biggest criticism of Starmer is over the strikes. I accept the middle road he is going down entirely. He cannot be stood on a picket line but shouldn't condemn the strikes. The ground he occupies I support entirely, I just want him to lead. Get the party to unite around red lines. Oppose driver only services on the railway, no involuntary redundancies for maintence staff in Network Rail, there's all sorts of things Labour could rally behind. Strikes aren't just because of pay, so unite around something that isn't pay. Meet the unions and come to an agreement over what Labour would accept. I agree with him on a lot but this 'the government should negotiate but don't ask what we'd accept' isn't leadership. That's the difference between a government in waiting and opposition, though his position on anti-union legislation is promising." That's because he's not a leader, merely an opportunist. When he thought there was a chance Corbyn might get elected, he was as left as you like, offering full throated support for Jezza. When the electorate booted Corbyn into oblivion, he changed the act to Blairesque and is relying on Govt mid term blues to win. Few are fooled. | |||
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"Is it just me or is anyone else starting to think Pat sounds a bit rattled? Which version of Pat? Even if these are separate individuals they are all expressing aspects of the same personality type. What I find interesting is the accusation that not supporting this series of incompetent governments makes someone a leftie/socialist/ labour supporter. When you view the number of Conservative MPs who have resigned the whip or been forced out of the party or are saying don't vote for a party they don't recognise, it's an "interesting" perspective to be pushing..." Happens on a cross-party basis all the time. Notice how you didn't opine on the biggest Labour exodus since 1981, when a group split from the party to form their own, the doomed Social Democratic Party. Yes, in 2019 Labour MPs Luciana Berger, Chuka Umunna, Chris Leslie, Angela Smith, Mike Grapes, Gavin Shuker and Ann Coffrey, created 'The Independent Group' Ego-busting MPs do it all the time, but the left excel
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"Is it just me or is anyone else starting to think Pat sounds a bit rattled?" Ha ha! OK, God you're bored, but is that the best you can do? | |||
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"My biggest criticism of Starmer is over the strikes. I accept the middle road he is going down entirely. He cannot be stood on a picket line but shouldn't condemn the strikes. The ground he occupies I support entirely, I just want him to lead. Get the party to unite around red lines. Oppose driver only services on the railway, no involuntary redundancies for maintence staff in Network Rail, there's all sorts of things Labour could rally behind. Strikes aren't just because of pay, so unite around something that isn't pay. Meet the unions and come to an agreement over what Labour would accept. I agree with him on a lot but this 'the government should negotiate but don't ask what we'd accept' isn't leadership. That's the difference between a government in waiting and opposition, though his position on anti-union legislation is promising. That's because he's not a leader, merely an opportunist. When he thought there was a chance Corbyn might get elected, he was as left as you like, offering full throated support for Jezza. When the electorate booted Corbyn into oblivion, he changed the act to Blairesque and is relying on Govt mid term blues to win. Few are fooled. " Switch the names to Johnson and May and left to right and hey presto!!! | |||
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"My biggest criticism of Starmer is over the strikes. I accept the middle road he is going down entirely. He cannot be stood on a picket line but shouldn't condemn the strikes. The ground he occupies I support entirely, I just want him to lead. Get the party to unite around red lines. Oppose driver only services on the railway, no involuntary redundancies for maintence staff in Network Rail, there's all sorts of things Labour could rally behind. Strikes aren't just because of pay, so unite around something that isn't pay. Meet the unions and come to an agreement over what Labour would accept. I agree with him on a lot but this 'the government should negotiate but don't ask what we'd accept' isn't leadership. That's the difference between a government in waiting and opposition, though his position on anti-union legislation is promising. That's because he's not a leader, merely an opportunist. When he thought there was a chance Corbyn might get elected, he was as left as you like, offering full throated support for Jezza. When the electorate booted Corbyn into oblivion, he changed the act to Blairesque and is relying on Govt mid term blues to win. Few are fooled. " SKS is boring, has no ideas and is an opportunist, yet he is thrashing Sunak in the polls | |||
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"Is it just me or is anyone else starting to think Pat sounds a bit rattled? Ha ha! OK, God you're bored, but is that the best you can do? " Gonna coin a new phrase “Patisms” | |||
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"My biggest criticism of Starmer is over the strikes. I accept the middle road he is going down entirely. He cannot be stood on a picket line but shouldn't condemn the strikes. The ground he occupies I support entirely, I just want him to lead. Get the party to unite around red lines. Oppose driver only services on the railway, no involuntary redundancies for maintence staff in Network Rail, there's all sorts of things Labour could rally behind. Strikes aren't just because of pay, so unite around something that isn't pay. Meet the unions and come to an agreement over what Labour would accept. I agree with him on a lot but this 'the government should negotiate but don't ask what we'd accept' isn't leadership. That's the difference between a government in waiting and opposition, though his position on anti-union legislation is promising. That's because he's not a leader, merely an opportunist. When he thought there was a chance Corbyn might get elected, he was as left as you like, offering full throated support for Jezza. When the electorate booted Corbyn into oblivion, he changed the act to Blairesque and is relying on Govt mid term blues to win. Few are fooled. SKS is boring, has no ideas and is an opportunist, yet he is thrashing Sunak in the polls "For once, I totally agree with you. But the polls change like they did in the early 90s. IPSOS polls Spring 1990 - Labour 24 points ahead Spring 1992 - Conservative victory with a working majority | |||
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"My biggest criticism of Starmer is over the strikes. I accept the middle road he is going down entirely. He cannot be stood on a picket line but shouldn't condemn the strikes. The ground he occupies I support entirely, I just want him to lead. Get the party to unite around red lines. Oppose driver only services on the railway, no involuntary redundancies for maintence staff in Network Rail, there's all sorts of things Labour could rally behind. Strikes aren't just because of pay, so unite around something that isn't pay. Meet the unions and come to an agreement over what Labour would accept. I agree with him on a lot but this 'the government should negotiate but don't ask what we'd accept' isn't leadership. That's the difference between a government in waiting and opposition, though his position on anti-union legislation is promising. That's because he's not a leader, merely an opportunist. When he thought there was a chance Corbyn might get elected, he was as left as you like, offering full throated support for Jezza. When the electorate booted Corbyn into oblivion, he changed the act to Blairesque and is relying on Govt mid term blues to win. Few are fooled. SKS is boring, has no ideas and is an opportunist, yet he is thrashing Sunak in the polls
For once, I totally agree with you. But the polls change like they did in the early 90s.
IPSOS polls Spring 1990 - Labour 24 points ahead
Spring 1992 - Conservative victory with a working majority "It isn’t 1990 It isn’t 1992 SKS isn’t Neil Kinnock | |||
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"Is it just me or is anyone else starting to think Pat sounds a bit rattled? Ha ha! OK, God you're bored, but is that the best you can do? Gonna coin a new phrase “Patisms” " If that's 'Gonna' from a 47 year old man, why would you want to sound like a much younger person? If it's from the much younger partner on the profile, it's still cringeworthy
But 'patisms' that's great . You might change your mind after a few patisms to something more sensible!
You can say you got it off Pat!
Grammar klaxon : it's not a metaphor or hypocrisy
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"My biggest criticism of Starmer is over the strikes. I accept the middle road he is going down entirely. He cannot be stood on a picket line but shouldn't condemn the strikes. The ground he occupies I support entirely, I just want him to lead. Get the party to unite around red lines. Oppose driver only services on the railway, no involuntary redundancies for maintence staff in Network Rail, there's all sorts of things Labour could rally behind. Strikes aren't just because of pay, so unite around something that isn't pay. Meet the unions and come to an agreement over what Labour would accept. I agree with him on a lot but this 'the government should negotiate but don't ask what we'd accept' isn't leadership. That's the difference between a government in waiting and opposition, though his position on anti-union legislation is promising. That's because he's not a leader, merely an opportunist. When he thought there was a chance Corbyn might get elected, he was as left as you like, offering full throated support for Jezza. When the electorate booted Corbyn into oblivion, he changed the act to Blairesque and is relying on Govt mid term blues to win. Few are fooled. SKS is boring, has no ideas and is an opportunist, yet he is thrashing Sunak in the polls
For once, I totally agree with you. But the polls change like they did in the early 90s.
IPSOS polls Spring 1990 - Labour 24 points ahead
Spring 1992 - Conservative victory with a working majority
It isn’t 1990
It isn’t 1992
SKS isn’t Neil Kinnock "Right on cue when the grammar klaxon went off!!! #Questofawave | |||
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"Is it just me or is anyone else starting to think Pat sounds a bit rattled? Which version of Pat? Even if these are separate individuals they are all expressing aspects of the same personality type. What I find interesting is the accusation that not supporting this series of incompetent governments makes someone a leftie/socialist/ labour supporter. When you view the number of Conservative MPs who have resigned the whip or been forced out of the party or are saying don't vote for a party they don't recognise, it's an "interesting" perspective to be pushing... Happens on a cross-party basis all the time. Notice how you didn't opine on the biggest Labour exodus since 1981, when a group split from the party to form their own, the doomed Social Democratic Party. Yes, in 2019 Labour MPs Luciana Berger, Chuka Umunna, Chris Leslie, Angela Smith, Mike Grapes, Gavin Shuker and Ann Coffrey, created 'The Independent Group' Ego-busting MPs do it all the time, but the left excel
Typical lefty hypocrisy "I wasn't on this site or able to vote when the SDP was formed. It was the correct thing to do and it ultimately merged with the Liberal party. The Conservative party should have done the same thing instead of screwing everybody over to solve their internal problems with the Brexit referendum. I didn't think that it was wrong for those Labour party members to leave when they thought that it was heading irrevocably in the wrong direction under Corbyn. It turned out badly for them as they were just not adequately organised and moderation doesn't get people as agitated as fear and anger and outrage. So, that screws your argument. The point still stands that these last few Conservative administrations have been incompetent, corrupt and progressively more nasty, and their own former leaders and elected representatives are calling them out on it. | |||
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"Is it just me or is anyone else starting to think Pat sounds a bit rattled? Which version of Pat? Even if these are separate individuals they are all expressing aspects of the same personality type. What I find interesting is the accusation that not supporting this series of incompetent governments makes someone a leftie/socialist/ labour supporter. When you view the number of Conservative MPs who have resigned the whip or been forced out of the party or are saying don't vote for a party they don't recognise, it's an "interesting" perspective to be pushing... Happens on a cross-party basis all the time. Notice how you didn't opine on the biggest Labour exodus since 1981, when a group split from the party to form their own, the doomed Social Democratic Party. Yes, in 2019 Labour MPs Luciana Berger, Chuka Umunna, Chris Leslie, Angela Smith, Mike Grapes, Gavin Shuker and Ann Coffrey, created 'The Independent Group' Ego-busting MPs do it all the time, but the left excel
Typical lefty hypocrisy
I wasn't on this site or able to vote when the SDP was formed. It was the correct thing to do and it ultimately merged with the Liberal party.
The Conservative party should have done the same thing instead of screwing everybody over to solve their internal problems with the Brexit referendum.
I didn't think that it was wrong for those Labour party members to leave when they thought that it was heading irrevocably in the wrong direction under Corbyn. It turned out badly for them as they were just not adequately organised and moderation doesn't get people as agitated as fear and anger and outrage.
So, that screws your argument.
The point still stands that these last few Conservative administrations have been incompetent, corrupt and progressively more nasty, and their own former leaders and elected representatives are calling them out on it."And what screwed your argument was you'd forgotten about this exodus and thought you'd won the thread with your Tory exodus routine! | |||
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"Is it just me or is anyone else starting to think Pat sounds a bit rattled? Which version of Pat? Even if these are separate individuals they are all expressing aspects of the same personality type. What I find interesting is the accusation that not supporting this series of incompetent governments makes someone a leftie/socialist/ labour supporter. When you view the number of Conservative MPs who have resigned the whip or been forced out of the party or are saying don't vote for a party they don't recognise, it's an "interesting" perspective to be pushing... Happens on a cross-party basis all the time. Notice how you didn't opine on the biggest Labour exodus since 1981, when a group split from the party to form their own, the doomed Social Democratic Party. Yes, in 2019 Labour MPs Luciana Berger, Chuka Umunna, Chris Leslie, Angela Smith, Mike Grapes, Gavin Shuker and Ann Coffrey, created 'The Independent Group' Ego-busting MPs do it all the time, but the left excel
Typical lefty hypocrisy
I wasn't on this site or able to vote when the SDP was formed. It was the correct thing to do and it ultimately merged with the Liberal party.
The Conservative party should have done the same thing instead of screwing everybody over to solve their internal problems with the Brexit referendum.
I didn't think that it was wrong for those Labour party members to leave when they thought that it was heading irrevocably in the wrong direction under Corbyn. It turned out badly for them as they were just not adequately organised and moderation doesn't get people as agitated as fear and anger and outrage.
So, that screws your argument.
The point still stands that these last few Conservative administrations have been incompetent, corrupt and progressively more nasty, and their own former leaders and elected representatives are calling them out on it.
And what screwed your argument was you'd forgotten about this exodus and thought you'd won the thread with your Tory exodus routine! "It is 2023, not 1981 or 2019, how many tories have decided not to stand at the next GE ? | |||
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"It used to be we thought that people who went around correcting other people's grammar were just plain annoying. Now there's evidence they are actually ill, suffering from a type of obsessive-compulsive disorder/oppositional defiant disorder (OCD/ODD). Researchers are calling it Grammatical Pedantry Syndrome, or GPS.
But... but... you did this one last week! And it was then taken down
GPS?
Sat Nav?
Pat Nav?
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"Is it just me or is anyone else starting to think Pat sounds a bit rattled? Ha ha! OK, God you're bored, but is that the best you can do? Gonna coin a new phrase “Patisms” If that's 'Gonna' from a 47 year old man, why would you want to sound like a much younger person? If it's from the much younger partner on the profile, it's still cringeworthy
But 'patisms' that's great . You might change your mind after a few patisms to something more sensible!
You can say you got it off Pat!
Grammar klaxon : it's not a metaphor or hypocrisy
"Oooh get you (clutches cushion and pearls for added outrage). I dunno, I kinda like trying to keep hold of my youth. I might still tell my friends that I will “rock up at [insert time]”. Not down with the kids enough to get away with “chillax” but I do still say “cool” a lot. Not yet the oldest swinger in town but maybe one day? Nah I’m gonna be watching out for your Patisms (and the other fellas) | |||
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"Is it just me or is anyone else starting to think Pat sounds a bit rattled? Which version of Pat? Even if these are separate individuals they are all expressing aspects of the same personality type. What I find interesting is the accusation that not supporting this series of incompetent governments makes someone a leftie/socialist/ labour supporter. When you view the number of Conservative MPs who have resigned the whip or been forced out of the party or are saying don't vote for a party they don't recognise, it's an "interesting" perspective to be pushing... Happens on a cross-party basis all the time. Notice how you didn't opine on the biggest Labour exodus since 1981, when a group split from the party to form their own, the doomed Social Democratic Party. Yes, in 2019 Labour MPs Luciana Berger, Chuka Umunna, Chris Leslie, Angela Smith, Mike Grapes, Gavin Shuker and Ann Coffrey, created 'The Independent Group' Ego-busting MPs do it all the time, but the left excel
Typical lefty hypocrisy
I wasn't on this site or able to vote when the SDP was formed. It was the correct thing to do and it ultimately merged with the Liberal party.
The Conservative party should have done the same thing instead of screwing everybody over to solve their internal problems with the Brexit referendum.
I didn't think that it was wrong for those Labour party members to leave when they thought that it was heading irrevocably in the wrong direction under Corbyn. It turned out badly for them as they were just not adequately organised and moderation doesn't get people as agitated as fear and anger and outrage.
So, that screws your argument.
The point still stands that these last few Conservative administrations have been incompetent, corrupt and progressively more nasty, and their own former leaders and elected representatives are calling them out on it.
And what screwed your argument was you'd forgotten about this exodus and thought you'd won the thread with your Tory exodus routine!
It is 2023, not 1981 or 2019, how many tories have decided not to stand at the next GE ? "Something like a dozen. A dozen Labour MPs have also confirmed that they are not standing at the next election | |||
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"It used to be we thought that people who went around correcting other people's grammar were just plain annoying. Now there's evidence they are actually ill, suffering from a type of obsessive-compulsive disorder/oppositional defiant disorder (OCD/ODD). Researchers are calling it Grammatical Pedantry Syndrome, or GPS.
But... but... you did this one last week! And it was then taken down
GPS?
Sat Nav?
Pat Nav?
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"Is it just me or is anyone else starting to think Pat sounds a bit rattled? Which version of Pat? Even if these are separate individuals they are all expressing aspects of the same personality type. What I find interesting is the accusation that not supporting this series of incompetent governments makes someone a leftie/socialist/ labour supporter. When you view the number of Conservative MPs who have resigned the whip or been forced out of the party or are saying don't vote for a party they don't recognise, it's an "interesting" perspective to be pushing... Happens on a cross-party basis all the time. Notice how you didn't opine on the biggest Labour exodus since 1981, when a group split from the party to form their own, the doomed Social Democratic Party. Yes, in 2019 Labour MPs Luciana Berger, Chuka Umunna, Chris Leslie, Angela Smith, Mike Grapes, Gavin Shuker and Ann Coffrey, created 'The Independent Group' Ego-busting MPs do it all the time, but the left excel
Typical lefty hypocrisy
I wasn't on this site or able to vote when the SDP was formed. It was the correct thing to do and it ultimately merged with the Liberal party.
The Conservative party should have done the same thing instead of screwing everybody over to solve their internal problems with the Brexit referendum.
I didn't think that it was wrong for those Labour party members to leave when they thought that it was heading irrevocably in the wrong direction under Corbyn. It turned out badly for them as they were just not adequately organised and moderation doesn't get people as agitated as fear and anger and outrage.
So, that screws your argument.
The point still stands that these last few Conservative administrations have been incompetent, corrupt and progressively more nasty, and their own former leaders and elected representatives are calling them out on it.
And what screwed your argument was you'd forgotten about this exodus and thought you'd won the thread with your Tory exodus routine!
It is 2023, not 1981 or 2019, how many tories have decided not to stand at the next GE ?
Something like a dozen.
A dozen Labour MPs have also confirmed that they are not standing at the next election
"No they haven’t | |||
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"Is it just me or is anyone else starting to think Pat sounds a bit rattled? Ha ha! OK, God you're bored, but is that the best you can do? Gonna coin a new phrase “Patisms” If that's 'Gonna' from a 47 year old man, why would you want to sound like a much younger person? If it's from the much younger partner on the profile, it's still cringeworthy
But 'patisms' that's great . You might change your mind after a few patisms to something more sensible!
You can say you got it off Pat!
Grammar klaxon : it's not a metaphor or hypocrisy
Oooh get you (clutches cushion and pearls for added outrage). I dunno, I kinda like trying to keep hold of my youth. I might still tell my friends that I will “rock up at [insert time]”. Not down with the kids enough to get away with “chillax” but I do still say “cool” a lot. Not yet the oldest swinger in town but maybe one day?
Nah I’m gonna be watching out for your Patisms (and the other fellas) "So no change there then | |||
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"Is it just me or is anyone else starting to think Pat sounds a bit rattled? Ha ha! OK, God you're bored, but is that the best you can do? Gonna coin a new phrase “Patisms” If that's 'Gonna' from a 47 year old man, why would you want to sound like a much younger person? If it's from the much younger partner on the profile, it's still cringeworthy
But 'patisms' that's great . You might change your mind after a few patisms to something more sensible!
You can say you got it off Pat!
Grammar klaxon : it's not a metaphor or hypocrisy
Oooh get you (clutches cushion and pearls for added outrage). I dunno, I kinda like trying to keep hold of my youth. I might still tell my friends that I will “rock up at [insert time]”. Not down with the kids enough to get away with “chillax” but I do still say “cool” a lot. Not yet the oldest swinger in town but maybe one day?
Nah I’m gonna be watching out for your Patisms (and the other fellas)
So no change there then "I’m nothing except consistent, innit? | |||
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"Is it just me or is anyone else starting to think Pat sounds a bit rattled? Which version of Pat? Even if these are separate individuals they are all expressing aspects of the same personality type. What I find interesting is the accusation that not supporting this series of incompetent governments makes someone a leftie/socialist/ labour supporter. When you view the number of Conservative MPs who have resigned the whip or been forced out of the party or are saying don't vote for a party they don't recognise, it's an "interesting" perspective to be pushing... Happens on a cross-party basis all the time. Notice how you didn't opine on the biggest Labour exodus since 1981, when a group split from the party to form their own, the doomed Social Democratic Party. Yes, in 2019 Labour MPs Luciana Berger, Chuka Umunna, Chris Leslie, Angela Smith, Mike Grapes, Gavin Shuker and Ann Coffrey, created 'The Independent Group' Ego-busting MPs do it all the time, but the left excel
Typical lefty hypocrisy
I wasn't on this site or able to vote when the SDP was formed. It was the correct thing to do and it ultimately merged with the Liberal party.
The Conservative party should have done the same thing instead of screwing everybody over to solve their internal problems with the Brexit referendum.
I didn't think that it was wrong for those Labour party members to leave when they thought that it was heading irrevocably in the wrong direction under Corbyn. It turned out badly for them as they were just not adequately organised and moderation doesn't get people as agitated as fear and anger and outrage.
So, that screws your argument.
The point still stands that these last few Conservative administrations have been incompetent, corrupt and progressively more nasty, and their own former leaders and elected representatives are calling them out on it.
And what screwed your argument was you'd forgotten about this exodus and thought you'd won the thread with your Tory exodus routine!
It is 2023, not 1981 or 2019, how many tories have decided not to stand at the next GE ?
Something like a dozen.
A dozen Labour MPs have also confirmed that they are not standing at the next election
No they haven’t "15 tories 12 labour So I stand corrected, you were close enough | |||
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"Is it just me or is anyone else starting to think Pat sounds a bit rattled? Which version of Pat? Even if these are separate individuals they are all expressing aspects of the same personality type. What I find interesting is the accusation that not supporting this series of incompetent governments makes someone a leftie/socialist/ labour supporter. When you view the number of Conservative MPs who have resigned the whip or been forced out of the party or are saying don't vote for a party they don't recognise, it's an "interesting" perspective to be pushing... Happens on a cross-party basis all the time. Notice how you didn't opine on the biggest Labour exodus since 1981, when a group split from the party to form their own, the doomed Social Democratic Party. Yes, in 2019 Labour MPs Luciana Berger, Chuka Umunna, Chris Leslie, Angela Smith, Mike Grapes, Gavin Shuker and Ann Coffrey, created 'The Independent Group' Ego-busting MPs do it all the time, but the left excel
Typical lefty hypocrisy
I wasn't on this site or able to vote when the SDP was formed. It was the correct thing to do and it ultimately merged with the Liberal party.
The Conservative party should have done the same thing instead of screwing everybody over to solve their internal problems with the Brexit referendum.
I didn't think that it was wrong for those Labour party members to leave when they thought that it was heading irrevocably in the wrong direction under Corbyn. It turned out badly for them as they were just not adequately organised and moderation doesn't get people as agitated as fear and anger and outrage.
So, that screws your argument.
The point still stands that these last few Conservative administrations have been incompetent, corrupt and progressively more nasty, and their own former leaders and elected representatives are calling them out on it.
And what screwed your argument was you'd forgotten about this exodus and thought you'd won the thread with your Tory exodus routine!
It is 2023, not 1981 or 2019, how many tories have decided not to stand at the next GE ?
Something like a dozen.
A dozen Labour MPs have also confirmed that they are not standing at the next election
No they haven’t "Oh dear, wrong again
Alex Cunningham,
Margaret Hodge,
Barry Sheerman,
Harriet Harman,
Alan Whitehead,
Ben Bradshaw,
Wayne David,
Paul Blomfield,
Rosie Winterton,
Margaret Beckett,
Jon Cruddas,
Colleen Fletcher. | |||
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"Is it just me or is anyone else starting to think Pat sounds a bit rattled? Which version of Pat? Even if these are separate individuals they are all expressing aspects of the same personality type. What I find interesting is the accusation that not supporting this series of incompetent governments makes someone a leftie/socialist/ labour supporter. When you view the number of Conservative MPs who have resigned the whip or been forced out of the party or are saying don't vote for a party they don't recognise, it's an "interesting" perspective to be pushing... Happens on a cross-party basis all the time. Notice how you didn't opine on the biggest Labour exodus since 1981, when a group split from the party to form their own, the doomed Social Democratic Party. Yes, in 2019 Labour MPs Luciana Berger, Chuka Umunna, Chris Leslie, Angela Smith, Mike Grapes, Gavin Shuker and Ann Coffrey, created 'The Independent Group' Ego-busting MPs do it all the time, but the left excel
Typical lefty hypocrisy
I wasn't on this site or able to vote when the SDP was formed. It was the correct thing to do and it ultimately merged with the Liberal party.
The Conservative party should have done the same thing instead of screwing everybody over to solve their internal problems with the Brexit referendum.
I didn't think that it was wrong for those Labour party members to leave when they thought that it was heading irrevocably in the wrong direction under Corbyn. It turned out badly for them as they were just not adequately organised and moderation doesn't get people as agitated as fear and anger and outrage.
So, that screws your argument.
The point still stands that these last few Conservative administrations have been incompetent, corrupt and progressively more nasty, and their own former leaders and elected representatives are calling them out on it.
And what screwed your argument was you'd forgotten about this exodus and thought you'd won the thread with your Tory exodus routine!
It is 2023, not 1981 or 2019, how many tories have decided not to stand at the next GE ?
Something like a dozen.
A dozen Labour MPs have also confirmed that they are not standing at the next election
No they haven’t
15 tories
12 labour
So I stand corrected, you were close enough "Urgent Google event there eh? Did you ever Google metaphor | |||
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"Is it just me or is anyone else starting to think Pat sounds a bit rattled? Which version of Pat? Even if these are separate individuals they are all expressing aspects of the same personality type. What I find interesting is the accusation that not supporting this series of incompetent governments makes someone a leftie/socialist/ labour supporter. When you view the number of Conservative MPs who have resigned the whip or been forced out of the party or are saying don't vote for a party they don't recognise, it's an "interesting" perspective to be pushing... Happens on a cross-party basis all the time. Notice how you didn't opine on the biggest Labour exodus since 1981, when a group split from the party to form their own, the doomed Social Democratic Party. Yes, in 2019 Labour MPs Luciana Berger, Chuka Umunna, Chris Leslie, Angela Smith, Mike Grapes, Gavin Shuker and Ann Coffrey, created 'The Independent Group' Ego-busting MPs do it all the time, but the left excel
Typical lefty hypocrisy
I wasn't on this site or able to vote when the SDP was formed. It was the correct thing to do and it ultimately merged with the Liberal party.
The Conservative party should have done the same thing instead of screwing everybody over to solve their internal problems with the Brexit referendum.
I didn't think that it was wrong for those Labour party members to leave when they thought that it was heading irrevocably in the wrong direction under Corbyn. It turned out badly for them as they were just not adequately organised and moderation doesn't get people as agitated as fear and anger and outrage.
So, that screws your argument.
The point still stands that these last few Conservative administrations have been incompetent, corrupt and progressively more nasty, and their own former leaders and elected representatives are calling them out on it.
And what screwed your argument was you'd forgotten about this exodus and thought you'd won the thread with your Tory exodus routine!
It is 2023, not 1981 or 2019, how many tories have decided not to stand at the next GE ?
Something like a dozen.
A dozen Labour MPs have also confirmed that they are not standing at the next election
No they haven’t
15 tories
12 labour
So I stand corrected, you were close enough
Urgent Google event there eh?
Did you ever Google metaphor "No, | |||
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"Is it just me or is anyone else starting to think Pat sounds a bit rattled? Ha ha! OK, God you're bored, but is that the best you can do? Gonna coin a new phrase “Patisms” If that's 'Gonna' from a 47 year old man, why would you want to sound like a much younger person? If it's from the much younger partner on the profile, it's still cringeworthy
But 'patisms' that's great . You might change your mind after a few patisms to something more sensible!
You can say you got it off Pat!
Grammar klaxon : it's not a metaphor or hypocrisy
Oooh get you (clutches cushion and pearls for added outrage). I dunno, I kinda like trying to keep hold of my youth. I might still tell my friends that I will “rock up at [insert time]”. Not down with the kids enough to get away with “chillax” but I do still say “cool” a lot. Not yet the oldest swinger in town but maybe one day?
Nah I’m gonna be watching out for your Patisms (and the other fellas)
So no change there then
I’m nothing except consistent, innit?"Yea bro | |||
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"Is it just me or is anyone else starting to think Pat sounds a bit rattled? Which version of Pat? Even if these are separate individuals they are all expressing aspects of the same personality type. What I find interesting is the accusation that not supporting this series of incompetent governments makes someone a leftie/socialist/ labour supporter. When you view the number of Conservative MPs who have resigned the whip or been forced out of the party or are saying don't vote for a party they don't recognise, it's an "interesting" perspective to be pushing... Happens on a cross-party basis all the time. Notice how you didn't opine on the biggest Labour exodus since 1981, when a group split from the party to form their own, the doomed Social Democratic Party. Yes, in 2019 Labour MPs Luciana Berger, Chuka Umunna, Chris Leslie, Angela Smith, Mike Grapes, Gavin Shuker and Ann Coffrey, created 'The Independent Group' Ego-busting MPs do it all the time, but the left excel
Typical lefty hypocrisy
I wasn't on this site or able to vote when the SDP was formed. It was the correct thing to do and it ultimately merged with the Liberal party.
The Conservative party should have done the same thing instead of screwing everybody over to solve their internal problems with the Brexit referendum.
I didn't think that it was wrong for those Labour party members to leave when they thought that it was heading irrevocably in the wrong direction under Corbyn. It turned out badly for them as they were just not adequately organised and moderation doesn't get people as agitated as fear and anger and outrage.
So, that screws your argument.
The point still stands that these last few Conservative administrations have been incompetent, corrupt and progressively more nasty, and their own former leaders and elected representatives are calling them out on it.
And what screwed your argument was you'd forgotten about this exodus and thought you'd won the thread with your Tory exodus routine!
It is 2023, not 1981 or 2019, how many tories have decided not to stand at the next GE ?
Something like a dozen.
A dozen Labour MPs have also confirmed that they are not standing at the next election
No they haven’t
15 tories
12 labour
So I stand corrected, you were close enough
Urgent Google event there eh?
Did you ever Google metaphor
No, "
I'll try to help then. Man meets woman in hotel off swinging site. But they just have a few drinks and a giggle. Man gets home and wonders 'what have I metaphor' | |||
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"Is it just me or is anyone else starting to think Pat sounds a bit rattled? Which version of Pat? Even if these are separate individuals they are all expressing aspects of the same personality type. What I find interesting is the accusation that not supporting this series of incompetent governments makes someone a leftie/socialist/ labour supporter. When you view the number of Conservative MPs who have resigned the whip or been forced out of the party or are saying don't vote for a party they don't recognise, it's an "interesting" perspective to be pushing... Happens on a cross-party basis all the time. Notice how you didn't opine on the biggest Labour exodus since 1981, when a group split from the party to form their own, the doomed Social Democratic Party. Yes, in 2019 Labour MPs Luciana Berger, Chuka Umunna, Chris Leslie, Angela Smith, Mike Grapes, Gavin Shuker and Ann Coffrey, created 'The Independent Group' Ego-busting MPs do it all the time, but the left excel
Typical lefty hypocrisy
I wasn't on this site or able to vote when the SDP was formed. It was the correct thing to do and it ultimately merged with the Liberal party.
The Conservative party should have done the same thing instead of screwing everybody over to solve their internal problems with the Brexit referendum.
I didn't think that it was wrong for those Labour party members to leave when they thought that it was heading irrevocably in the wrong direction under Corbyn. It turned out badly for them as they were just not adequately organised and moderation doesn't get people as agitated as fear and anger and outrage.
So, that screws your argument.
The point still stands that these last few Conservative administrations have been incompetent, corrupt and progressively more nasty, and their own former leaders and elected representatives are calling them out on it.
And what screwed your argument was you'd forgotten about this exodus and thought you'd won the thread with your Tory exodus routine!
It is 2023, not 1981 or 2019, how many tories have decided not to stand at the next GE ?
Something like a dozen.
A dozen Labour MPs have also confirmed that they are not standing at the next election
No they haven’t
15 tories
12 labour
So I stand corrected, you were close enough
Urgent Google event there eh?
Did you ever Google metaphor
No,
I'll try to help then. Man meets woman in hotel off swinging site. But they just have a few drinks and a giggle. Man gets home and wonders 'what have I metaphor' "Have you been at the Tory marching powder again? You seem very sparky for a Sunday afternoon | |||
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"Is it just me or is anyone else starting to think Pat sounds a bit rattled? Ha ha! OK, God you're bored, but is that the best you can do? Gonna coin a new phrase “Patisms” If that's 'Gonna' from a 47 year old man, why would you want to sound like a much younger person? If it's from the much younger partner on the profile, it's still cringeworthy
But 'patisms' that's great . You might change your mind after a few patisms to something more sensible!
You can say you got it off Pat!
Grammar klaxon : it's not a metaphor or hypocrisy
Oooh get you (clutches cushion and pearls for added outrage). I dunno, I kinda like trying to keep hold of my youth. I might still tell my friends that I will “rock up at [insert time]”. Not down with the kids enough to get away with “chillax” but I do still say “cool” a lot. Not yet the oldest swinger in town but maybe one day?
Nah I’m gonna be watching out for your Patisms (and the other fellas)
So no change there then
I’m nothing except consistent, innit?
Yea bro "You’re right it does sound cringey!
Although surely “Yeah Bruv” is more accurate? We aren’t Americans after all | |||
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"Is it just me or is anyone else starting to think Pat sounds a bit rattled? Which version of Pat? Even if these are separate individuals they are all expressing aspects of the same personality type. What I find interesting is the accusation that not supporting this series of incompetent governments makes someone a leftie/socialist/ labour supporter. When you view the number of Conservative MPs who have resigned the whip or been forced out of the party or are saying don't vote for a party they don't recognise, it's an "interesting" perspective to be pushing... Happens on a cross-party basis all the time. Notice how you didn't opine on the biggest Labour exodus since 1981, when a group split from the party to form their own, the doomed Social Democratic Party. Yes, in 2019 Labour MPs Luciana Berger, Chuka Umunna, Chris Leslie, Angela Smith, Mike Grapes, Gavin Shuker and Ann Coffrey, created 'The Independent Group' Ego-busting MPs do it all the time, but the left excel
Typical lefty hypocrisy
I wasn't on this site or able to vote when the SDP was formed. It was the correct thing to do and it ultimately merged with the Liberal party.
The Conservative party should have done the same thing instead of screwing everybody over to solve their internal problems with the Brexit referendum.
I didn't think that it was wrong for those Labour party members to leave when they thought that it was heading irrevocably in the wrong direction under Corbyn. It turned out badly for them as they were just not adequately organised and moderation doesn't get people as agitated as fear and anger and outrage.
So, that screws your argument.
The point still stands that these last few Conservative administrations have been incompetent, corrupt and progressively more nasty, and their own former leaders and elected representatives are calling them out on it.
And what screwed your argument was you'd forgotten about this exodus and thought you'd won the thread with your Tory exodus routine!
It is 2023, not 1981 or 2019, how many tories have decided not to stand at the next GE ?
Something like a dozen.
A dozen Labour MPs have also confirmed that they are not standing at the next election
No they haven’t
15 tories
12 labour
So I stand corrected, you were close enough
Urgent Google event there eh?
Did you ever Google metaphor
No,
I'll try to help then. Man meets woman in hotel off swinging site. But they just have a few drinks and a giggle. Man gets home and wonders 'what have I metaphor' "Good, but not as good as your Pat Nav effort | |||
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"It used to be we thought that people who went around correcting other people's grammar were just plain annoying. Now there's evidence they are actually ill, suffering from a type of obsessive-compulsive disorder/oppositional defiant disorder (OCD/ODD). Researchers are calling it Grammatical Pedantry Syndrome, or GPS." Does that mean that people will stop complaining about us, and saying that we're 'just arguing about semantics'? After all, no one would want to make fun of someone else's disability, would they. | |||
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