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PMQs: what's the point when nothing gets answered?
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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I used to watch PMQs, but I gave up part way through the Johnson regime. Under him, PMQs became just waffling, ranting & making shit up. Crucially, no questions were actually answered. And at the time he faced no consequences for that. It was only later when everything mounted up that his own MPs offed him.
I just tuned into a bit of Sunak's PMQs. It seems he's following the Johnson playbook of not actually answering a thing while the country burns.
So what's the point of PMQs? |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"They are a busted flush. These turds just keep circling around the bowl!"
It feels like when it comes to any sort of honesty/standards/rules/accountablility, Johnson really accelerated the race to the bottom. |
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By *coptoCouple
over a year ago
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PMQs were at one time very rewarding and revealing: after the already-tabled question and its prepared answer, the PM was hit with a “supplementary” and it was by this that the PM’s competence could be judged. Had he/she been properly briefed as to what the Members’ “real” questions were going to be (or had bothered his/her bollocks to find out)? Was he/she ready with satisfactory replies? If not, how effectively could he/she wing it?
Some PMs were good at it, some bad, but their leadership of the Party often depended on how they could handle PMQ.
Today, it’s just stand-up comedy, and the jokes aren’t even that good… |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Its shite, don't know why people watch it. Stopped watching it years ago. Only can be interesting when the ruling party are about to have a self implosion. |
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By *eroy1000Man
over a year ago
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"I used to watch PMQs, but I gave up part way through the Johnson regime. Under him, PMQs became just waffling, ranting & making shit up. Crucially, no questions were actually answered. And at the time he faced no consequences for that. It was only later when everything mounted up that his own MPs offed him.
I just tuned into a bit of Sunak's PMQs. It seems he's following the Johnson playbook of not actually answering a thing while the country burns.
So what's the point of PMQs?"
Seems to be pure theatre and a waste of time. I doubt it will improve regardless of who is the PM in the future from any party |
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"Both parties are virtually identical so it's a total waste of time "
No one wins an election if they don't hold the political middle ground. That is why Britain does not have a viable facist party or communist party. So, yes, there will not be a lot between the parties.
Having said that the Conservatives are tired. Their political dogma outdated and unsuited to our current situation. We need a change and Labour are the only viable alternative. Just don't let the racist SNP share power in a coalition. |
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"I used to watch PMQs, but I gave up part way through the Johnson regime. Under him, PMQs became just waffling, ranting & making shit up. Crucially, no questions were actually answered. And at the time he faced no consequences for that. It was only later when everything mounted up that his own MPs offed him.
I just tuned into a bit of Sunak's PMQs. It seems he's following the Johnson playbook of not actually answering a thing while the country burns.
So what's the point of PMQs?"
All you ever do is go on about Boris , you’ve got some serious hatred for the bloke |
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"They are a busted flush. These turds just keep circling around the bowl!
How bad does that make the opposition if they cannot win an election against these turds......"
It doesn't. The opposition doesn't represent the interests of corporations and billionaires, so their funding and backing by the media isn't comparable.
You know, the measure of a good government, is if they perform well for British people, not how many people they can con into voting for them. |
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"They are a busted flush. These turds just keep circling around the bowl!
How bad does that make the opposition if they cannot win an election against these turds......
It doesn't. The opposition doesn't represent the interests of corporations and billionaires, so their funding and backing by the media isn't comparable.
You know, the measure of a good government, is if they perform well for British people, not how many people they can con into voting for them. "
The funding seemed fine during the Blair new labour years!
When labour were centre left not far left |
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"They are a busted flush. These turds just keep circling around the bowl!
How bad does that make the opposition if they cannot win an election against these turds......
It doesn't. The opposition doesn't represent the interests of corporations and billionaires, so their funding and backing by the media isn't comparable.
You know, the measure of a good government, is if they perform well for British people, not how many people they can con into voting for them.
The funding seemed fine during the Blair new labour years!
When labour were centre left not far left "
Yes, now you're getting it! Billionaires and big businesses seemed to think he would represent their interests, so he was funded.
Labour are centre right now, barely centre left. If you think Starmers centrist, dull, and slightly less shit than the Tories policies are far-left, then you're on another planet. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"I used to watch PMQs, but I gave up part way through the Johnson regime. Under him, PMQs became just waffling, ranting & making shit up. Crucially, no questions were actually answered. And at the time he faced no consequences for that. It was only later when everything mounted up that his own MPs offed him.
I just tuned into a bit of Sunak's PMQs. It seems he's following the Johnson playbook of not actually answering a thing while the country burns.
So what's the point of PMQs?
All you ever do is go on about Boris , you’ve got some serious hatred for the bloke "
The thread is about PMQs being pointless. Johnson just happens to be the most glaring example of why they're pointless. Week after week he spewed utter bullshit without answering a thing. He also broke the ministerial code over and over again in the process, supposedly a resigning offence. |
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By *irldnCouple
over a year ago
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"They are a busted flush. These turds just keep circling around the bowl!
How bad does that make the opposition if they cannot win an election against these turds......"
The turd factor has escalated exponentially since 2019. If Labour cannot win next time then you have a point.
Are you really better off under the Tories? Is life really better now than it was before 2010? |
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"They are a busted flush. These turds just keep circling around the bowl!
How bad does that make the opposition if they cannot win an election against these turds......
The turd factor has escalated exponentially since 2019. If Labour cannot win next time then you have a point.
Are you really better off under the Tories? Is life really better now than it was before 2010?"
So I ask again if things are as bad as you say how come Labour haven’t been able to win 2015 2017 & 2019 !
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"They are a busted flush. These turds just keep circling around the bowl!
How bad does that make the opposition if they cannot win an election against these turds......
The turd factor has escalated exponentially since 2019. If Labour cannot win next time then you have a point.
Are you really better off under the Tories? Is life really better now than it was before 2010?
So I ask again if things are as bad as you say how come Labour haven’t been able to win 2015 2017 & 2019 !
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This has been answered multiple times. Even by you! |
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"They are a busted flush. These turds just keep circling around the bowl!
How bad does that make the opposition if they cannot win an election against these turds......
The turd factor has escalated exponentially since 2019. If Labour cannot win next time then you have a point.
Are you really better off under the Tories? Is life really better now than it was before 2010?
So I ask again if things are as bad as you say how come Labour haven’t been able to win 2015 2017 & 2019 !
This has been answered multiple times. Even by you!"
Well good luck at the next election |
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"They are a busted flush. These turds just keep circling around the bowl!
How bad does that make the opposition if they cannot win an election against these turds......
The turd factor has escalated exponentially since 2019. If Labour cannot win next time then you have a point.
Are you really better off under the Tories? Is life really better now than it was before 2010?
So I ask again if things are as bad as you say how come Labour haven’t been able to win 2015 2017 & 2019 !
This has been answered multiple times. Even by you!
Well good luck at the next election "
I'm not standing in the next election. Thanks though. |
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"They are a busted flush. These turds just keep circling around the bowl!
How bad does that make the opposition if they cannot win an election against these turds......
The turd factor has escalated exponentially since 2019. If Labour cannot win next time then you have a point.
Are you really better off under the Tories? Is life really better now than it was before 2010?
So I ask again if things are as bad as you say how come Labour haven’t been able to win 2015 2017 & 2019 !
This has been answered multiple times. Even by you!
Well good luck at the next election
I'm not standing in the next election. Thanks though. "
Not voting either then |
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"They are a busted flush. These turds just keep circling around the bowl!
How bad does that make the opposition if they cannot win an election against these turds......
The turd factor has escalated exponentially since 2019. If Labour cannot win next time then you have a point.
Are you really better off under the Tories? Is life really better now than it was before 2010?
So I ask again if things are as bad as you say how come Labour haven’t been able to win 2015 2017 & 2019 !
This has been answered multiple times. Even by you!
Well good luck at the next election
I'm not standing in the next election. Thanks though.
Not voting either then"
Yes, I'll vote.
You ask the most bizarre questions. What's this got to do with anything? |
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By *otMe66Man
over a year ago
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Lying, they do not want to be heard lying.
To prevent that from happening, they go around the houses to remove the question from something that could in future be used against them.
Is it their fault or is it the media who want them to slip up at any cost so they can print / report on how they have caught the PM lying.
We lap it up too, I blame Paxman and the internet to some extent... |
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The Tories are centre left now and have been for years, that's why the country is in such a mess.
Don't agree? look at the facts.
Highest tax burden since Clement Attlee was PM.
Highest public spending to gdp since early 1970s when we were about to go bankrupt.
Talk tough on crime and immigration but do nothing worthwhile in practice.
Implemented a communist inspired lockdown which has decimated large parts of the economy.
Fervent followers of mad Green ideology and brought into law crazy policies that will bankrupt our country and its citizens for no benefit to the planet.
Failed to get Brexit done properly with NI still in the EU and not cutting red tape needed to actually make the thing work.
When Labour get in , which won't be because they are providing a decent alternative or any real change it will be because millions of traditional Tory voters will sit on their hands in disgust.
Labour will then double down on the idiocies above. With the same low growth, high tax and spend doom loop and increasingly interfering crazy policies. What a depressing prospect
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"The Tories are centre left now and have been for years, that's why the country is in such a mess.
Don't agree? look at the facts.
Highest tax burden since Clement Attlee was PM.
Highest public spending to gdp since early 1970s when we were about to go bankrupt.
Talk tough on crime and immigration but do nothing worthwhile in practice.
Implemented a communist inspired lockdown which has decimated large parts of the economy.
Fervent followers of mad Green ideology and brought into law crazy policies that will bankrupt our country and its citizens for no benefit to the planet.
Failed to get Brexit done properly with NI still in the EU and not cutting red tape needed to actually make the thing work.
When Labour get in , which won't be because they are providing a decent alternative or any real change it will be because millions of traditional Tory voters will sit on their hands in disgust.
Labour will then double down on the idiocies above. With the same low growth, high tax and spend doom loop and increasingly interfering crazy policies. What a depressing prospect
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Who will you vote for? |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"The Tories are centre left now and have been for years, that's why the country is in such a mess.
Don't agree? look at the facts.
Highest tax burden since Clement Attlee was PM.
Highest public spending to gdp since early 1970s when we were about to go bankrupt.
Talk tough on crime and immigration but do nothing worthwhile in practice.
Implemented a communist inspired lockdown which has decimated large parts of the economy.
Fervent followers of mad Green ideology and brought into law crazy policies that will bankrupt our country and its citizens for no benefit to the planet.
Failed to get Brexit done properly with NI still in the EU and not cutting red tape needed to actually make the thing work.
When Labour get in , which won't be because they are providing a decent alternative or any real change it will be because millions of traditional Tory voters will sit on their hands in disgust.
Labour will then double down on the idiocies above. With the same low growth, high tax and spend doom loop and increasingly interfering crazy policies. What a depressing prospect
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Do you think trying to send asylum seekers to Rwanda is centre left? Or new laws to try and stop protesting and strikes ? |
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How many people have been sent to Rwanda? Answer Nil. Another headline policy that will conveniently never work.
A true right of centre government would be encouraging protests and right to freedom of expression, not banning it. That's the Communist /hard line socialist approach |
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"How many people have been sent to Rwanda? Answer Nil. Another headline policy that will conveniently never work.
A true right of centre government would be encouraging protests and right to freedom of expression, not banning it. That's the Communist /hard line socialist approach"
You do know that calling something communist is not the same as calling it authoritarian don’t you?
I hope you’re not one of those people who also says that national socialism was left wing!
The Tories are pretty corrupt and incompetent but they are not in any way left wing, as their current attempt to introduce strike breaking laws shows.
I presume you would like them to be free market libertarians who remove all rules and regulations because that’s going to be a paradise isn’t it  |
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They are economically left wing for all the reasons posted above.
Notice apart from laughing emojis no one seems to disagree in the main, apart from a couple of hair-brained policies that won't work or be implemented anyway.
The Nazis were pure evil whatever their economic politics . Which amounted to invading virtually every country they could, stealing everything worthwhile, enslaving the population or killing them outright. Which even nasty the tories haven't got round to yet.. |
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"They are economically left wing for all the reasons posted above.
Notice apart from laughing emojis no one seems to disagree in the main, apart from a couple of hair-brained policies that won't work or be implemented anyway.
The Nazis were pure evil whatever their economic politics . Which amounted to invading virtually every country they could, stealing everything worthwhile, enslaving the population or killing them outright. Which even nasty the tories haven't got round to yet.."
The laughing emojis are because the premise that the Tories are left wing is laughable. You're either trolling, or confused.
If you're trolling, laughing emojis are appropriate. If you're for real, then you've chosen to have this point of view and real life information will not change your mind, so what's the point? |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"How many people have been sent to Rwanda? Answer Nil. Another headline policy that will conveniently never work.
A true right of centre government would be encouraging protests and right to freedom of expression, not banning it. That's the Communist /hard line socialist approach"
I know it won’t work, but they are still trying and it isn’t a centre left policy , it is right wing to appease to the racists |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"They are economically left wing for all the reasons posted above.
Notice apart from laughing emojis no one seems to disagree in the main, apart from a couple of hair-brained policies that won't work or be implemented anyway.
The Nazis were pure evil whatever their economic politics . Which amounted to invading virtually every country they could, stealing everything worthwhile, enslaving the population or killing them outright. Which even nasty the tories haven't got round to yet.."
Is it left wing to deny nurses a fair pay rise? |
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"Why is it laughable? I look at what they've actually done , not necessarily said. I'm not trolling anyone."
They did one or two things to help British people, because they had no choice. Furlough payments, feeding staving kids etc.
Otherwise they've cracked on serving their corporate and billionaire donors and masters. Brexit, promoting fear of foreigners, austerity, squeezing workers to breaking point, etc. Standard right wing Tory stuff.
You're point of view doesn't reflect reality. I'm sure you're aware of all the things that the Tories have done in the past 12 years, and you've come to the conclusion they're left wing! |
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By *otMe66Man
over a year ago
Terra Firma |
"Why is it laughable? I look at what they've actually done , not necessarily said. I'm not trolling anyone.
They did one or two things to help British people, because they had no choice. Furlough payments, feeding staving kids etc.
Otherwise they've cracked on serving their corporate and billionaire donors and masters. Brexit, promoting fear of foreigners, austerity, squeezing workers to breaking point, etc. Standard right wing Tory stuff.
You're point of view doesn't reflect reality. I'm sure you're aware of all the things that the Tories have done in the past 12 years, and you've come to the conclusion they're left wing!"
Surely, it depends how far right someones views are? If extreme right, the tories will appear middle to left I guess.
If that is the case, a reset is the order of the day.... |
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"Why is it laughable? I look at what they've actually done , not necessarily said. I'm not trolling anyone.
They did one or two things to help British people, because they had no choice. Furlough payments, feeding staving kids etc.
Otherwise they've cracked on serving their corporate and billionaire donors and masters. Brexit, promoting fear of foreigners, austerity, squeezing workers to breaking point, etc. Standard right wing Tory stuff.
You're point of view doesn't reflect reality. I'm sure you're aware of all the things that the Tories have done in the past 12 years, and you've come to the conclusion they're left wing!
Surely, it depends how far right someones views are? If extreme right, the tories will appear middle to left I guess.
If that is the case, a reset is the order of the day.... "
Good point, however , how many of the current cabinet could you honestly say are left of centre? |
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"Why is it laughable? I look at what they've actually done , not necessarily said. I'm not trolling anyone.
They did one or two things to help British people, because they had no choice. Furlough payments, feeding staving kids etc.
Otherwise they've cracked on serving their corporate and billionaire donors and masters. Brexit, promoting fear of foreigners, austerity, squeezing workers to breaking point, etc. Standard right wing Tory stuff.
You're point of view doesn't reflect reality. I'm sure you're aware of all the things that the Tories have done in the past 12 years, and you've come to the conclusion they're left wing!
Surely, it depends how far right someones views are? If extreme right, the tories will appear middle to left I guess.
If that is the case, a reset is the order of the day.... "
I agree with this. The Tories are mostly centre right I'd say, some policies are further right and some are centre to left. That's why it's a spectrum with all parties being left to right on separate policies.
What we don't wanna see is extreme either way |
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"Why is it laughable? I look at what they've actually done , not necessarily said. I'm not trolling anyone.
They did one or two things to help British people, because they had no choice. Furlough payments, feeding staving kids etc.
Otherwise they've cracked on serving their corporate and billionaire donors and masters. Brexit, promoting fear of foreigners, austerity, squeezing workers to breaking point, etc. Standard right wing Tory stuff.
You're point of view doesn't reflect reality. I'm sure you're aware of all the things that the Tories have done in the past 12 years, and you've come to the conclusion they're left wing!
Surely, it depends how far right someones views are? If extreme right, the tories will appear middle to left I guess.
If that is the case, a reset is the order of the day....
Good point, however , how many of the current cabinet could you honestly say are left of centre? "
What does individual ministers have to do with this? The person who posted was talking about their policies. |
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By *otMe66Man
over a year ago
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"Why is it laughable? I look at what they've actually done , not necessarily said. I'm not trolling anyone.
They did one or two things to help British people, because they had no choice. Furlough payments, feeding staving kids etc.
Otherwise they've cracked on serving their corporate and billionaire donors and masters. Brexit, promoting fear of foreigners, austerity, squeezing workers to breaking point, etc. Standard right wing Tory stuff.
You're point of view doesn't reflect reality. I'm sure you're aware of all the things that the Tories have done in the past 12 years, and you've come to the conclusion they're left wing!
Surely, it depends how far right someones views are? If extreme right, the tories will appear middle to left I guess.
If that is the case, a reset is the order of the day....
Good point, however , how many of the current cabinet could you honestly say are left of centre? "
I'm not for one moment thinking anyone in the conservative party or votes for conservatives are not right of centre.
If ever I do think that, I will promise to voluntarily hand myself in for observation |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Why is it laughable? I look at what they've actually done , not necessarily said. I'm not trolling anyone.
They did one or two things to help British people, because they had no choice. Furlough payments, feeding staving kids etc.
Otherwise they've cracked on serving their corporate and billionaire donors and masters. Brexit, promoting fear of foreigners, austerity, squeezing workers to breaking point, etc. Standard right wing Tory stuff.
You're point of view doesn't reflect reality. I'm sure you're aware of all the things that the Tories have done in the past 12 years, and you've come to the conclusion they're left wing!
Surely, it depends how far right someones views are? If extreme right, the tories will appear middle to left I guess.
If that is the case, a reset is the order of the day....
Good point, however , how many of the current cabinet could you honestly say are left of centre?
I'm not for one moment thinking anyone in the conservative party or votes for conservatives are not right of centre.
If ever I do think that, I will promise to voluntarily hand myself in for observation "
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"Why is it laughable? I look at what they've actually done , not necessarily said. I'm not trolling anyone.
They did one or two things to help British people, because they had no choice. Furlough payments, feeding staving kids etc.
Otherwise they've cracked on serving their corporate and billionaire donors and masters. Brexit, promoting fear of foreigners, austerity, squeezing workers to breaking point, etc. Standard right wing Tory stuff.
You're point of view doesn't reflect reality. I'm sure you're aware of all the things that the Tories have done in the past 12 years, and you've come to the conclusion they're left wing!
Surely, it depends how far right someones views are? If extreme right, the tories will appear middle to left I guess.
If that is the case, a reset is the order of the day....
Good point, however , how many of the current cabinet could you honestly say are left of centre?
What does individual ministers have to do with this? The person who posted was talking about their policies."
Ministers make policies |
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"Why is it laughable? I look at what they've actually done , not necessarily said. I'm not trolling anyone.
They did one or two things to help British people, because they had no choice. Furlough payments, feeding staving kids etc.
Otherwise they've cracked on serving their corporate and billionaire donors and masters. Brexit, promoting fear of foreigners, austerity, squeezing workers to breaking point, etc. Standard right wing Tory stuff.
You're point of view doesn't reflect reality. I'm sure you're aware of all the things that the Tories have done in the past 12 years, and you've come to the conclusion they're left wing!
Surely, it depends how far right someones views are? If extreme right, the tories will appear middle to left I guess.
If that is the case, a reset is the order of the day....
Good point, however , how many of the current cabinet could you honestly say are left of centre?
What does individual ministers have to do with this? The person who posted was talking about their policies.
Ministers make policies "
As a collective yes. Not as individuals.
Those policies then have to be voted through. Again as a collective. |
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"Why is it laughable? I look at what they've actually done , not necessarily said. I'm not trolling anyone.
They did one or two things to help British people, because they had no choice. Furlough payments, feeding staving kids etc.
Otherwise they've cracked on serving their corporate and billionaire donors and masters. Brexit, promoting fear of foreigners, austerity, squeezing workers to breaking point, etc. Standard right wing Tory stuff.
You're point of view doesn't reflect reality. I'm sure you're aware of all the things that the Tories have done in the past 12 years, and you've come to the conclusion they're left wing!
Surely, it depends how far right someones views are? If extreme right, the tories will appear middle to left I guess.
If that is the case, a reset is the order of the day....
Good point, however , how many of the current cabinet could you honestly say are left of centre?
What does individual ministers have to do with this? The person who posted was talking about their policies.
Ministers make policies
As a collective yes. Not as individuals.
Those policies then have to be voted through. Again as a collective."
That is my point, their Rwanda policy was voted in by the Tory MPs , can you name a left of centre minister? |
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"Why is it laughable? I look at what they've actually done , not necessarily said. I'm not trolling anyone.
They did one or two things to help British people, because they had no choice. Furlough payments, feeding staving kids etc.
Otherwise they've cracked on serving their corporate and billionaire donors and masters. Brexit, promoting fear of foreigners, austerity, squeezing workers to breaking point, etc. Standard right wing Tory stuff.
You're point of view doesn't reflect reality. I'm sure you're aware of all the things that the Tories have done in the past 12 years, and you've come to the conclusion they're left wing!
Surely, it depends how far right someones views are? If extreme right, the tories will appear middle to left I guess.
If that is the case, a reset is the order of the day....
Good point, however , how many of the current cabinet could you honestly say are left of centre?
What does individual ministers have to do with this? The person who posted was talking about their policies.
Ministers make policies
As a collective yes. Not as individuals.
Those policies then have to be voted through. Again as a collective.
That is my point, their Rwanda policy was voted in by the Tory MPs , can you name a left of centre minister? "
I'll say it again, the poster was speaking about certain policies, not individual ministers.
Is it really so hard to understand? |
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"Why is it laughable? I look at what they've actually done , not necessarily said. I'm not trolling anyone.
They did one or two things to help British people, because they had no choice. Furlough payments, feeding staving kids etc.
Otherwise they've cracked on serving their corporate and billionaire donors and masters. Brexit, promoting fear of foreigners, austerity, squeezing workers to breaking point, etc. Standard right wing Tory stuff.
You're point of view doesn't reflect reality. I'm sure you're aware of all the things that the Tories have done in the past 12 years, and you've come to the conclusion they're left wing!
Surely, it depends how far right someones views are? If extreme right, the tories will appear middle to left I guess.
If that is the case, a reset is the order of the day....
Good point, however , how many of the current cabinet could you honestly say are left of centre?
What does individual ministers have to do with this? The person who posted was talking about their policies.
Ministers make policies
As a collective yes. Not as individuals.
Those policies then have to be voted through. Again as a collective.
That is my point, their Rwanda policy was voted in by the Tory MPs , can you name a left of centre minister?
I'll say it again, the poster was speaking about certain policies, not individual ministers.
Is it really so hard to understand?"
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"Why is it laughable? I look at what they've actually done , not necessarily said. I'm not trolling anyone.
They did one or two things to help British people, because they had no choice. Furlough payments, feeding staving kids etc.
Otherwise they've cracked on serving their corporate and billionaire donors and masters. Brexit, promoting fear of foreigners, austerity, squeezing workers to breaking point, etc. Standard right wing Tory stuff.
You're point of view doesn't reflect reality. I'm sure you're aware of all the things that the Tories have done in the past 12 years, and you've come to the conclusion they're left wing!
Surely, it depends how far right someones views are? If extreme right, the tories will appear middle to left I guess.
If that is the case, a reset is the order of the day....
Good point, however , how many of the current cabinet could you honestly say are left of centre?
What does individual ministers have to do with this? The person who posted was talking about their policies.
Ministers make policies
As a collective yes. Not as individuals.
Those policies then have to be voted through. Again as a collective.
That is my point, their Rwanda policy was voted in by the Tory MPs , can you name a left of centre minister?
I'll say it again, the poster was speaking about certain policies, not individual ministers.
Is it really so hard to understand?
Ministers make policies, MPs vote them through parliament, is it really that hard to understand "
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"Why is it laughable? I look at what they've actually done , not necessarily said. I'm not trolling anyone.
They did one or two things to help British people, because they had no choice. Furlough payments, feeding staving kids etc.
Otherwise they've cracked on serving their corporate and billionaire donors and masters. Brexit, promoting fear of foreigners, austerity, squeezing workers to breaking point, etc. Standard right wing Tory stuff.
You're point of view doesn't reflect reality. I'm sure you're aware of all the things that the Tories have done in the past 12 years, and you've come to the conclusion they're left wing!
Surely, it depends how far right someones views are? If extreme right, the tories will appear middle to left I guess.
If that is the case, a reset is the order of the day....
Good point, however , how many of the current cabinet could you honestly say are left of centre?
What does individual ministers have to do with this? The person who posted was talking about their policies.
Ministers make policies
As a collective yes. Not as individuals.
Those policies then have to be voted through. Again as a collective.
That is my point, their Rwanda policy was voted in by the Tory MPs , can you name a left of centre minister?
I'll say it again, the poster was speaking about certain policies, not individual ministers.
Is it really so hard to understand?
Ministers make policies, MPs vote them through parliament, is it really that hard to understand
You be you mate. You'll need to to adapt to be taken seriously though "
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"Why is it laughable? I look at what they've actually done , not necessarily said. I'm not trolling anyone.
They did one or two things to help British people, because they had no choice. Furlough payments, feeding staving kids etc.
Otherwise they've cracked on serving their corporate and billionaire donors and masters. Brexit, promoting fear of foreigners, austerity, squeezing workers to breaking point, etc. Standard right wing Tory stuff.
You're point of view doesn't reflect reality. I'm sure you're aware of all the things that the Tories have done in the past 12 years, and you've come to the conclusion they're left wing!
Surely, it depends how far right someones views are? If extreme right, the tories will appear middle to left I guess.
If that is the case, a reset is the order of the day....
Good point, however , how many of the current cabinet could you honestly say are left of centre?
What does individual ministers have to do with this? The person who posted was talking about their policies.
Ministers make policies
As a collective yes. Not as individuals.
Those policies then have to be voted through. Again as a collective.
That is my point, their Rwanda policy was voted in by the Tory MPs , can you name a left of centre minister?
I'll say it again, the poster was speaking about certain policies, not individual ministers.
Is it really so hard to understand?
Ministers make policies, MPs vote them through parliament, is it really that hard to understand
You be you mate. You'll need to to adapt to be taken seriously though
You be you mate, you will have to change if you want me to take you serious. Btw, do you think the majority of Tory MPs are centre left?? "
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"Why is it laughable? I look at what they've actually done , not necessarily said. I'm not trolling anyone.
They did one or two things to help British people, because they had no choice. Furlough payments, feeding staving kids etc.
Otherwise they've cracked on serving their corporate and billionaire donors and masters. Brexit, promoting fear of foreigners, austerity, squeezing workers to breaking point, etc. Standard right wing Tory stuff.
You're point of view doesn't reflect reality. I'm sure you're aware of all the things that the Tories have done in the past 12 years, and you've come to the conclusion they're left wing!
Surely, it depends how far right someones views are? If extreme right, the tories will appear middle to left I guess.
If that is the case, a reset is the order of the day....
Good point, however , how many of the current cabinet could you honestly say are left of centre?
What does individual ministers have to do with this? The person who posted was talking about their policies.
Ministers make policies
As a collective yes. Not as individuals.
Those policies then have to be voted through. Again as a collective.
That is my point, their Rwanda policy was voted in by the Tory MPs , can you name a left of centre minister?
I'll say it again, the poster was speaking about certain policies, not individual ministers.
Is it really so hard to understand?
Ministers make policies, MPs vote them through parliament, is it really that hard to understand
You be you mate. You'll need to to adapt to be taken seriously though
You be you mate, you will have to change if you want me to take you serious. Btw, do you think the majority of Tory MPs are centre left??
I'm not arsed if you take me seriously or not This place is just a playground for most these days.
Have I said the majority of Tory MPs are centre left? Or even possibly given that impression?"
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"Why is it laughable? I look at what they've actually done , not necessarily said. I'm not trolling anyone.
They did one or two things to help British people, because they had no choice. Furlough payments, feeding staving kids etc.
Otherwise they've cracked on serving their corporate and billionaire donors and masters. Brexit, promoting fear of foreigners, austerity, squeezing workers to breaking point, etc. Standard right wing Tory stuff.
You're point of view doesn't reflect reality. I'm sure you're aware of all the things that the Tories have done in the past 12 years, and you've come to the conclusion they're left wing!
Surely, it depends how far right someones views are? If extreme right, the tories will appear middle to left I guess.
If that is the case, a reset is the order of the day.... "
I guess that's the point. British politics has been dragged so far to the right that people think this government is left/center left. We've left any plain of reality and it all becomes meaningless.
What we do know is that the current government don't give a shit about Britain or British people and only want to line their pals and their own pockets. Doesn't really matter what wing it's called. |
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"Why is it laughable? I look at what they've actually done , not necessarily said. I'm not trolling anyone.
They did one or two things to help British people, because they had no choice. Furlough payments, feeding staving kids etc.
Otherwise they've cracked on serving their corporate and billionaire donors and masters. Brexit, promoting fear of foreigners, austerity, squeezing workers to breaking point, etc. Standard right wing Tory stuff.
You're point of view doesn't reflect reality. I'm sure you're aware of all the things that the Tories have done in the past 12 years, and you've come to the conclusion they're left wing!
Surely, it depends how far right someones views are? If extreme right, the tories will appear middle to left I guess.
If that is the case, a reset is the order of the day....
Good point, however , how many of the current cabinet could you honestly say are left of centre?
What does individual ministers have to do with this? The person who posted was talking about their policies.
Ministers make policies
As a collective yes. Not as individuals.
Those policies then have to be voted through. Again as a collective.
That is my point, their Rwanda policy was voted in by the Tory MPs , can you name a left of centre minister?
I'll say it again, the poster was speaking about certain policies, not individual ministers.
Is it really so hard to understand?
Ministers make policies, MPs vote them through parliament, is it really that hard to understand
You be you mate. You'll need to to adapt to be taken seriously though
You be you mate, you will have to change if you want me to take you serious. Btw, do you think the majority of Tory MPs are centre left??
I'm not arsed if you take me seriously or not This place is just a playground for most these days.
Have I said the majority of Tory MPs are centre left? Or even possibly given that impression?
What are you saying then? Are the majority of Tory ‘policies’ centre left? "
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"Why is it laughable? I look at what they've actually done , not necessarily said. I'm not trolling anyone.
They did one or two things to help British people, because they had no choice. Furlough payments, feeding staving kids etc.
Otherwise they've cracked on serving their corporate and billionaire donors and masters. Brexit, promoting fear of foreigners, austerity, squeezing workers to breaking point, etc. Standard right wing Tory stuff.
You're point of view doesn't reflect reality. I'm sure you're aware of all the things that the Tories have done in the past 12 years, and you've come to the conclusion they're left wing!
Surely, it depends how far right someones views are? If extreme right, the tories will appear middle to left I guess.
If that is the case, a reset is the order of the day....
Good point, however , how many of the current cabinet could you honestly say are left of centre?
What does individual ministers have to do with this? The person who posted was talking about their policies.
Ministers make policies
As a collective yes. Not as individuals.
Those policies then have to be voted through. Again as a collective.
That is my point, their Rwanda policy was voted in by the Tory MPs , can you name a left of centre minister?
I'll say it again, the poster was speaking about certain policies, not individual ministers.
Is it really so hard to understand?
Ministers make policies, MPs vote them through parliament, is it really that hard to understand
You be you mate. You'll need to to adapt to be taken seriously though
You be you mate, you will have to change if you want me to take you serious. Btw, do you think the majority of Tory MPs are centre left??
I'm not arsed if you take me seriously or not This place is just a playground for most these days.
Have I said the majority of Tory MPs are centre left? Or even possibly given that impression?
What are you saying then? Are the majority of Tory ‘policies’ centre left?
You're obviously hard of reading. Go back and see what I've already said, if you struggle to understand. Call me "
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"Why is it laughable? I look at what they've actually done , not necessarily said. I'm not trolling anyone.
They did one or two things to help British people, because they had no choice. Furlough payments, feeding staving kids etc.
Otherwise they've cracked on serving their corporate and billionaire donors and masters. Brexit, promoting fear of foreigners, austerity, squeezing workers to breaking point, etc. Standard right wing Tory stuff.
You're point of view doesn't reflect reality. I'm sure you're aware of all the things that the Tories have done in the past 12 years, and you've come to the conclusion they're left wing!
Surely, it depends how far right someones views are? If extreme right, the tories will appear middle to left I guess.
If that is the case, a reset is the order of the day....
Good point, however , how many of the current cabinet could you honestly say are left of centre?
What does individual ministers have to do with this? The person who posted was talking about their policies.
Ministers make policies
As a collective yes. Not as individuals.
Those policies then have to be voted through. Again as a collective.
That is my point, their Rwanda policy was voted in by the Tory MPs , can you name a left of centre minister?
I'll say it again, the poster was speaking about certain policies, not individual ministers.
Is it really so hard to understand?
Ministers make policies, MPs vote them through parliament, is it really that hard to understand
You be you mate. You'll need to to adapt to be taken seriously though
You be you mate, you will have to change if you want me to take you serious. Btw, do you think the majority of Tory MPs are centre left??
I'm not arsed if you take me seriously or not This place is just a playground for most these days.
Have I said the majority of Tory MPs are centre left? Or even possibly given that impression?
What are you saying then? Are the majority of Tory ‘policies’ centre left?
You're obviously hard of reading. Go back and see what I've already said, if you struggle to understand. Call me
No thanks, but I appreciate you trying to answer my question, "
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"Why is it laughable? I look at what they've actually done , not necessarily said. I'm not trolling anyone.
They did one or two things to help British people, because they had no choice. Furlough payments, feeding staving kids etc.
Otherwise they've cracked on serving their corporate and billionaire donors and masters. Brexit, promoting fear of foreigners, austerity, squeezing workers to breaking point, etc. Standard right wing Tory stuff.
You're point of view doesn't reflect reality. I'm sure you're aware of all the things that the Tories have done in the past 12 years, and you've come to the conclusion they're left wing!
Surely, it depends how far right someones views are? If extreme right, the tories will appear middle to left I guess.
If that is the case, a reset is the order of the day....
Good point, however , how many of the current cabinet could you honestly say are left of centre?
What does individual ministers have to do with this? The person who posted was talking about their policies.
Ministers make policies
As a collective yes. Not as individuals.
Those policies then have to be voted through. Again as a collective.
That is my point, their Rwanda policy was voted in by the Tory MPs , can you name a left of centre minister?
I'll say it again, the poster was speaking about certain policies, not individual ministers.
Is it really so hard to understand?
Ministers make policies, MPs vote them through parliament, is it really that hard to understand
You be you mate. You'll need to to adapt to be taken seriously though
You be you mate, you will have to change if you want me to take you serious. Btw, do you think the majority of Tory MPs are centre left??
I'm not arsed if you take me seriously or not This place is just a playground for most these days.
Have I said the majority of Tory MPs are centre left? Or even possibly given that impression?
What are you saying then? Are the majority of Tory ‘policies’ centre left?
You're obviously hard of reading. Go back and see what I've already said, if you struggle to understand. Call me
No thanks, but I appreciate you trying to answer my question,
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I guess we agree on one point , all the main parties are virtually indistinguishable apart from the odd mad policy , which is usually undelivered or undeliverable and only there to placate their long suffering core vote.
Whether the omniparty is left or right wing is a moot point. I'd like people to look at history and facts rather than vague assertions of the Tories being the nasty party delighting in the sufferings of the people.
In truth the omniparty is the enemy of the British people as it is actively working against our interests. |
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"I used to watch PMQs, but I gave up part way through the Johnson regime. Under him, PMQs became just waffling, ranting & making shit up. Crucially, no questions were actually answered. And at the time he faced no consequences for that. It was only later when everything mounted up that his own MPs offed him.
I just tuned into a bit of Sunak's PMQs. It seems he's following the Johnson playbook of not actually answering a thing while the country burns.
So what's the point of PMQs?"
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"I used to watch PMQs, but I gave up part way through the Johnson regime. Under him, PMQs became just waffling, ranting & making shit up. Crucially, no questions were actually answered. And at the time he faced no consequences for that. It was only later when everything mounted up that his own MPs offed him.
I just tuned into a bit of Sunak's PMQs. It seems he's following the Johnson playbook of not actually answering a thing while the country burns.
So what's the point of PMQs?
It's a nice day out from the office, sitting around doing fuck all the rest of the week must get boring "
It's funny because it's true.
Think how much time the Tories must devote at the moment to not helping the NHS and not averting strikes. That's a lot of power napping in the office. |
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"Yes the omniparty. Labour/Tory/Lib dem . What we have now ruling us, hardly a shred of difference between them"
The system won't allow any party that offers any change to get near to power.
The closest was Corbyn's Labour in 2017. They saw he offered change, and that he was gaining popularity. So they promptly destroyed him.
The only way Labour will gain power is if the big corporations and billionaires that fund the Tories think that they'll get better value from Starmer as PM. At which point all they can offer is a slightly less shit Tories. |
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"Yes the omniparty. Labour/Tory/Lib dem . What we have now ruling us, hardly a shred of difference between them"
There aren’t as many difference as there used to be but they are far from the same |
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"Yes the omniparty. Labour/Tory/Lib dem . What we have now ruling us, hardly a shred of difference between them
There aren’t as many difference as there used to be but they are far from the same "
When you say 'used to be' Do you mean during the Corbyn years?
I ask because before that, they were very much where they are now imo |
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"Yes the omniparty. Labour/Tory/Lib dem . What we have now ruling us, hardly a shred of difference between them
There aren’t as many difference as there used to be but they are far from the same
When you say 'used to be' Do you mean during the Corbyn years?
I ask because before that, they were very much where they are now imo"
The Corbyn years, throughout the 1970s & 1980s and early 1990s, Blair was ‘Tory light’ and so is starmer , but I think both are/were far better and offered different policies than their Tory opponents at the time |
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"Yes the omniparty. Labour/Tory/Lib dem . What we have now ruling us, hardly a shred of difference between them
There aren’t as many difference as there used to be but they are far from the same
When you say 'used to be' Do you mean during the Corbyn years?
I ask because before that, they were very much where they are now imo
The Corbyn years, throughout the 1970s & 1980s and early 1990s, Blair was ‘Tory light’ and so is starmer , but I think both are/were far better and offered different policies than their Tory opponents at the time "
So basically every time they weren't in power excluding the 70s which neither you nor I lived through.
I know Wilson done a lot of good so not knocking him at all but I can't say for sure what they were like as a party seeing as i didn't live through the time. |
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"They are a busted flush. These turds just keep circling around the bowl!
How bad does that make the opposition if they cannot win an election against these turds......
The turd factor has escalated exponentially since 2019. If Labour cannot win next time then you have a point.
Are you really better off under the Tories? Is life really better now than it was before 2010?
So I ask again if things are as bad as you say how come Labour haven’t been able to win 2015 2017 & 2019 !
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Lies pretty much, Johnson won a landslide with his Hospitals being built, Brexit deal ect, lies all lies everyone of them. |
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"Yes the omniparty. Labour/Tory/Lib dem . What we have now ruling us, hardly a shred of difference between them
There aren’t as many difference as there used to be but they are far from the same
When you say 'used to be' Do you mean during the Corbyn years?
I ask because before that, they were very much where they are now imo
The Corbyn years, throughout the 1970s & 1980s and early 1990s, Blair was ‘Tory light’ and so is starmer , but I think both are/were far better and offered different policies than their Tory opponents at the time
So basically every time they weren't in power excluding the 70s which neither you nor I lived through.
I know Wilson done a lot of good so not knocking him at all but I can't say for sure what they were like as a party seeing as i didn't live through the time."
There are a lot of differences between Starmers Labour Party and Sunaks conservatives. Starmer will have to say and promise certain things to get elected (just like Boris) that he will drop when he becomes PM |
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"Yes the omniparty. Labour/Tory/Lib dem . What we have now ruling us, hardly a shred of difference between them
There aren’t as many difference as there used to be but they are far from the same
When you say 'used to be' Do you mean during the Corbyn years?
I ask because before that, they were very much where they are now imo
The Corbyn years, throughout the 1970s & 1980s and early 1990s, Blair was ‘Tory light’ and so is starmer , but I think both are/were far better and offered different policies than their Tory opponents at the time
So basically every time they weren't in power excluding the 70s which neither you nor I lived through.
I know Wilson done a lot of good so not knocking him at all but I can't say for sure what they were like as a party seeing as i didn't live through the time.
There are a lot of differences between Starmers Labour Party and Sunaks conservatives. Starmer will have to say and promise certain things to get elected (just like Boris) that he will drop when he becomes PM "
Maybe there are but judging on past results isn't 'Tory lite' actually fairly palatable to the majority of the population? |
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"Yes the omniparty. Labour/Tory/Lib dem . What we have now ruling us, hardly a shred of difference between them
There aren’t as many difference as there used to be but they are far from the same
When you say 'used to be' Do you mean during the Corbyn years?
I ask because before that, they were very much where they are now imo
The Corbyn years, throughout the 1970s & 1980s and early 1990s, Blair was ‘Tory light’ and so is starmer , but I think both are/were far better and offered different policies than their Tory opponents at the time
So basically every time they weren't in power excluding the 70s which neither you nor I lived through.
I know Wilson done a lot of good so not knocking him at all but I can't say for sure what they were like as a party seeing as i didn't live through the time.
There are a lot of differences between Starmers Labour Party and Sunaks conservatives. Starmer will have to say and promise certain things to get elected (just like Boris) that he will drop when he becomes PM
Maybe there are but judging on past results isn't 'Tory lite' actually fairly palatable to the majority of the population?"
Yep, Tory light is far better than full on Tory carnage |
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"Yes the omniparty. Labour/Tory/Lib dem . What we have now ruling us, hardly a shred of difference between them
There aren’t as many difference as there used to be but they are far from the same
When you say 'used to be' Do you mean during the Corbyn years?
I ask because before that, they were very much where they are now imo
The Corbyn years, throughout the 1970s & 1980s and early 1990s, Blair was ‘Tory light’ and so is starmer , but I think both are/were far better and offered different policies than their Tory opponents at the time
So basically every time they weren't in power excluding the 70s which neither you nor I lived through.
I know Wilson done a lot of good so not knocking him at all but I can't say for sure what they were like as a party seeing as i didn't live through the time.
There are a lot of differences between Starmers Labour Party and Sunaks conservatives. Starmer will have to say and promise certain things to get elected (just like Boris) that he will drop when he becomes PM
Maybe there are but judging on past results isn't 'Tory lite' actually fairly palatable to the majority of the population?"
It's fairly palatable to those who benefit from the system not changing. |
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There are a lot of differences between Starmers Labour Party and Sunaks conservatives. Starmer will have to say and promise certain things to get elected (just like Boris) that he will drop when he becomes PM
What are these differences? Be specific |
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What are these differences? Be specific "
Class On Line have a good comparison on policy Labour Vs Tory. It's all a bit subjective. But it highlights the differences.
As for actual real life differences. I suspect very little, you would hope Labour would be less corrupt, better for the environment, better for workers and better on social security, maybe they would roll back some of the restrictions on civil freedom's that have been removed. But the best they could offer would likely be very minor improvements.
The economy is fucked long term, it's unlikely anything will change in the next five years either way. |
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"Yes the omniparty. Labour/Tory/Lib dem . What we have now ruling us, hardly a shred of difference between them
There aren’t as many difference as there used to be but they are far from the same
When you say 'used to be' Do you mean during the Corbyn years?
I ask because before that, they were very much where they are now imo
The Corbyn years, throughout the 1970s & 1980s and early 1990s, Blair was ‘Tory light’ and so is starmer , but I think both are/were far better and offered different policies than their Tory opponents at the time
So basically every time they weren't in power excluding the 70s which neither you nor I lived through.
I know Wilson done a lot of good so not knocking him at all but I can't say for sure what they were like as a party seeing as i didn't live through the time.
There are a lot of differences between Starmers Labour Party and Sunaks conservatives. Starmer will have to say and promise certain things to get elected (just like Boris) that he will drop when he becomes PM
Maybe there are but judging on past results isn't 'Tory lite' actually fairly palatable to the majority of the population?
It's fairly palatable to those who benefit from the system not changing. "
I don't think the system is changing anytime soon. As we all know, the system suits those in power. And no one is gonna be stupid enough to change that |
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"Yes the omniparty. Labour/Tory/Lib dem . What we have now ruling us, hardly a shred of difference between them
There aren’t as many difference as there used to be but they are far from the same
When you say 'used to be' Do you mean during the Corbyn years?
I ask because before that, they were very much where they are now imo
The Corbyn years, throughout the 1970s & 1980s and early 1990s, Blair was ‘Tory light’ and so is starmer , but I think both are/were far better and offered different policies than their Tory opponents at the time
So basically every time they weren't in power excluding the 70s which neither you nor I lived through.
I know Wilson done a lot of good so not knocking him at all but I can't say for sure what they were like as a party seeing as i didn't live through the time.
There are a lot of differences between Starmers Labour Party and Sunaks conservatives. Starmer will have to say and promise certain things to get elected (just like Boris) that he will drop when he becomes PM
Maybe there are but judging on past results isn't 'Tory lite' actually fairly palatable to the majority of the population?
It's fairly palatable to those who benefit from the system not changing.
I don't think the system is changing anytime soon. As we all know, the system suits those in power. And no one is gonna be stupid enough to change that"
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"Yes the omniparty. Labour/Tory/Lib dem . What we have now ruling us, hardly a shred of difference between them
There aren’t as many difference as there used to be but they are far from the same
When you say 'used to be' Do you mean during the Corbyn years?
I ask because before that, they were very much where they are now imo
The Corbyn years, throughout the 1970s & 1980s and early 1990s, Blair was ‘Tory light’ and so is starmer , but I think both are/were far better and offered different policies than their Tory opponents at the time
So basically every time they weren't in power excluding the 70s which neither you nor I lived through.
I know Wilson done a lot of good so not knocking him at all but I can't say for sure what they were like as a party seeing as i didn't live through the time.
There are a lot of differences between Starmers Labour Party and Sunaks conservatives. Starmer will have to say and promise certain things to get elected (just like Boris) that he will drop when he becomes PM
Maybe there are but judging on past results isn't 'Tory lite' actually fairly palatable to the majority of the population?
It's fairly palatable to those who benefit from the system not changing.
I don't think the system is changing anytime soon. As we all know, the system suits those in power. And no one is gonna be stupid enough to change that
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Sorry for hijacking your thread. I feel its all linked though, obviously pmq's feels irrelevant as we've kind of agreed the 2 main parties have become very similar in policy and by what policies they are allowed to pursue.
The old analogy is pmq's is like listening to two bald men arguing over a comb. |
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"The closest was Corbyn's Labour in 2017. They saw he offered change, and that he was gaining popularity. So they promptly destroyed him."
Q. Do you think the powers that be would have allowed Corbyn to bring in the policies outlined in his manifesto if he had become PM? |
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""The closest was Corbyn's Labour in 2017. They saw he offered change, and that he was gaining popularity. So they promptly destroyed him."
Q. Do you think the powers that be would have allowed Corbyn to bring in the policies outlined in his manifesto if he had become PM? "
Not really, I think he would have been fought all the way, it would have been a headache for him and for the establishment.
But really, I have no idea how much change he could have brought about. |
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