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London ambulances will only wait 45 minutes.....
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By *hagTonight OP Man
over a year ago
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Before leaving patients in corridors. I read an article about it and apperently it comes as the time limit raises questions about where patients will be left and who will tend to them, given hospitals are already overstretched.
The decision comes amid growing pressure on the nhs, with paramedics often left waiting for hours outside hospitals before being able to hand over patients to overstretched a&e departments.
The 45minute limit in london is intended to ease pressure on the capitals ambulance service,
What is your view of it, how have it come to this and can the nhs be saved? Is it down to the 12 years of the tories that have lead it to this? I hope they find a solution to it.
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"As I understand it, the ones needing the most help will be helped first."
That's how triage works 
Yes it sounds outrageous but where would you rather be left with your injury/ condition: at home or an area surrounded by medical professionals and equipment?
There also has to be a limit that an ambulance hangs around. All the while that they're waiting at the hospital is time that they can't be responding to other emergencies, which (correct me if I'm wrong, I'm no expert) is their main role, isn't it?
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"As I understand it, the ones needing the most help will be helped first.
That's how triage works
Yes it sounds outrageous but where would you rather be left with your injury/ condition: at home or an area surrounded by medical professionals and equipment?
There also has to be a limit that an ambulance hangs around. All the while that they're waiting at the hospital is time that they can't be responding to other emergencies, which (correct me if I'm wrong, I'm no expert) is their main role, isn't it?
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There were certainly some distressing reports on the news last night with interviews from patients and medical staff. One paramedic said in certain circumstances they were advising people to take casualties to hospital in their car. Another woman whose elderly father fell was told the wait time in a and e was 62 hours so they decided not to go.
The ambulance service specifically has been under intense pressure for some time but currently it's not coping. The staff must be at their wits end |
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"Rishi Sunak says there is nothing wrong with our NHS
I suspect that might be because he's not going to ever have to use itYes. I also think that he is detached from reality."
His job is to convince us that what we're witnessing isn't real. |
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His job is to convince us that what we're witnessing isn't real. "
Making everyone study maths up to 18 will make Britain Great again and everyone will stop striking for cost of living pay rises  |
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His job is to convince us that what we're witnessing isn't real.
Making everyone study maths up to 18 will make Britain Great again and everyone will stop striking for cost of living pay rises "
. While I applaud his optimism and generosity in saying that maths A level will not be compulsory I am very glad my school days are over. I have decent every day maths skills but if I'd had to pass an A level I'd still be going to school now. |
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His job is to convince us that what we're witnessing isn't real.
Making everyone study maths up to 18 will make Britain Great again and everyone will stop striking for cost of living pay rises "
viva Grand Brittania  |
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By *hagTonight OP Man
over a year ago
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"Rishi Sunak says there is nothing wrong with our NHS
I suspect that might be because he's not going to ever have to use itYes. I also think that he is detached from reality.
His job is to convince us that what we're witnessing isn't real. "
Yes, would you also say that the brink of the collapse of the nhs, is down to the government? Even the chancellor has admitted it, it seems that he doesnt hold the same view as the pm does. |
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"Rishi Sunak says there is nothing wrong with our NHS
I suspect that might be because he's not going to ever have to use itYes. I also think that he is detached from reality.
His job is to convince us that what we're witnessing isn't real. Yes, would you also say that the brink of the collapse of the nhs, is down to the government? Even the chancellor has admitted it, it seems that he doesnt hold the same view as the pm does."
I'm not prepared to say that because there are many factors and I think we, the end users need to bear at least some of the responsibility. I do think though that successive governments have played a large part in bringing us to where we are now |
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His job is to convince us that what we're witnessing isn't real.
Making everyone study maths up to 18 will make Britain Great again and everyone will stop striking for cost of living pay rises "
If everyone is stuck in A&E waiting rooms then we need to replace all those random magazines there with maths textbooks. Use the time efficiently  |
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By *hagTonight OP Man
over a year ago
From the land of haribos. |
"Rishi Sunak says there is nothing wrong with our NHS
I suspect that might be because he's not going to ever have to use itYes. I also think that he is detached from reality.
His job is to convince us that what we're witnessing isn't real. Yes, would you also say that the brink of the collapse of the nhs, is down to the government? Even the chancellor has admitted it, it seems that he doesnt hold the same view as the pm does.
I'm not prepared to say that because there are many factors and I think we, the end users need to bear at least some of the responsibility. I do think though that successive governments have played a large part in bringing us to where we are now"
Yes, there are many factors, maybe even brexit. I also heard that there are about 1500 free beds at the nhs, but there arent any staff to for it. |
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By *asyukMan
over a year ago
West London |
The purpose of the ambulance service is to save life and minimise damage ASAP.
To achieve that, they cannot be hanging around outside a hospital with someone in the back ready for treatment. They are no A&E overflow.
Overall I would assume that there will be significantly better long-term outcomes and fewer deaths if ambulances can get to those in need quickly.
I'm surprised that it's taken so long, but sometimes a temporary measure becomes a habit and needs to be actively challenged. |
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"Rishi Sunak says there is nothing wrong with our NHS
I suspect that might be because he's not going to ever have to use itYes. I also think that he is detached from reality.
His job is to convince us that what we're witnessing isn't real. Yes, would you also say that the brink of the collapse of the nhs, is down to the government? Even the chancellor has admitted it, it seems that he doesnt hold the same view as the pm does.
I'm not prepared to say that because there are many factors and I think we, the end users need to bear at least some of the responsibility. I do think though that successive governments have played a large part in bringing us to where we are now"
You are right in that we the end users need to be more responsible.
And maybe think twice before just calling 999 or turning up at AE. |
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I wonder how many MPs and ministers actually use the NHS? I imagine most of the Tories go private and so have no understanding or interest in the average member of the public’s experience of the NHS! It would be very interesting to know the answer I think |
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By *asyukMan
over a year ago
West London |
"I wonder how many MPs and ministers actually use the NHS? I imagine most of the Tories go private and so have no understanding or interest in the average member of the public’s experience of the NHS! It would be very interesting to know the answer I think"
My company will be looking to cover every member of staff with private insurance as from both a business and a moral perspective, that's the only sensible thing to do.
Of course,now that demand for private insurance rises and are actually being used at a higher rate, premiums are going to rise...
I also hear that the Prime Minister is "not afraid" to use private care to help clear the backlog... |
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"I wonder how many MPs and ministers actually use the NHS? I imagine most of the Tories go private and so have no understanding or interest in the average member of the public’s experience of the NHS! It would be very interesting to know the answer I think
My company will be looking to cover every member of staff with private insurance as from both a business and a moral perspective, that's the only sensible thing to do.
Of course,now that demand for private insurance rises and are actually being used at a higher rate, premiums are going to rise...
I also hear that the Prime Minister is "not afraid" to use private care to help clear the backlog..."
And there you have it…the asset strippers charter…restrict supply of assets while creating conditions of increased demand and then sell off to the highest bidder! The trouble being that eventually you run out of assets but I guess by then you have made your money and fucked off to a new life in Monaco or some other moral vacuum  |
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The main problem with the NHS at the moment listening to staff , is the third of people stuck in a bed and unable to go into care . But why isn't anybody mentioning the tens of thousands of care staff , sacked earlier last year for not taking the vax ??? |
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By *asyukMan
over a year ago
West London |
"The main problem with the NHS at the moment listening to staff , is the third of people stuck in a bed and unable to go into care . But why isn't anybody mentioning the tens of thousands of care staff , sacked earlier last year for not taking the vax ???"
There weren't tens of thousands sacked.
The hospitals also have a high rate of flu and COVID this winter on top of everything else. |
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By *asyukMan
over a year ago
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"Sorry not according to the A+E manager on last night's BBC north West news ."
There doesn't actually paper to be any data on this. Only on what was expected before the mandate was dropped.
Could be an assumption and also that any drop in numbers is due to that factor alone. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Stems from lack of GP means GP appointments hard to get, therefore people going to a&e. 111 sending to a&e. People not wanting to wait go to a&e. People not utilising pharmacist. lack of social care staff means can't move medically fit patients out of hospital. Steams from staff retention due to pay. |
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"Before leaving patients in corridors. I read an article about it and apperently it comes as the time limit raises questions about where patients will be left and who will tend to them, given hospitals are already overstretched.
The decision comes amid growing pressure on the nhs, with paramedics often left waiting for hours outside hospitals before being able to hand over patients to overstretched a&e departments.
The 45minute limit in london is intended to ease pressure on the capitals ambulance service,
What is your view of it, how have it come to this and can the nhs be saved? Is it down to the 12 years of the tories that have lead it to this? I hope they find a solution to it.
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Trusts in South East England have been doing this for years even way before covid |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Rishi Sunak says there is nothing wrong with our NHS
I suspect that might be because he's not going to ever have to use itYes. I also think that he is detached from reality.
His job is to convince us that what we're witnessing isn't real. Yes, would you also say that the brink of the collapse of the nhs, is down to the government? Even the chancellor has admitted it, it seems that he doesnt hold the same view as the pm does.
I'm not prepared to say that because there are many factors and I think we, the end users need to bear at least some of the responsibility. I do think though that successive governments have played a large part in bringing us to where we are now
You are right in that we the end users need to be more responsible.
And maybe think twice before just calling 999 or turning up at AE. "
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"Before leaving patients in corridors. I read an article about it and apperently it comes as the time limit raises questions about where patients will be left and who will tend to them, given hospitals are already overstretched.
The decision comes amid growing pressure on the nhs, with paramedics often left waiting for hours outside hospitals before being able to hand over patients to overstretched a&e departments.
The 45minute limit in london is intended to ease pressure on the capitals ambulance service,
What is your view of it, how have it come to this and can the nhs be saved? Is it down to the 12 years of the tories that have lead it to this? I hope they find a solution to it.
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Something that certainly hasn’t helped the NHS is 500,000 plus illegal immigrants flooding our country |
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"Before leaving patients in corridors. I read an article about it and apperently it comes as the time limit raises questions about where patients will be left and who will tend to them, given hospitals are already overstretched.
The decision comes amid growing pressure on the nhs, with paramedics often left waiting for hours outside hospitals before being able to hand over patients to overstretched a&e departments.
The 45minute limit in london is intended to ease pressure on the capitals ambulance service,
What is your view of it, how have it come to this and can the nhs be saved? Is it down to the 12 years of the tories that have lead it to this? I hope they find a solution to it.
Something that certainly hasn’t helped the NHS is 500,000 plus illegal immigrants flooding our country "
Are they all in hospital?  |
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By *asyukMan
over a year ago
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"Before leaving patients in corridors. I read an article about it and apperently it comes as the time limit raises questions about where patients will be left and who will tend to them, given hospitals are already overstretched.
The decision comes amid growing pressure on the nhs, with paramedics often left waiting for hours outside hospitals before being able to hand over patients to overstretched a&e departments.
The 45minute limit in london is intended to ease pressure on the capitals ambulance service,
What is your view of it, how have it come to this and can the nhs be saved? Is it down to the 12 years of the tories that have lead it to this? I hope they find a solution to it.
Something that certainly hasn’t helped the NHS is 500,000 plus illegal immigrants flooding our country "
Yawn.
500,000 "illegal" immigrants since when?
Are all queuing up to go to get medical care?
The NHS is in crisis due to how it has been (under)funded and mismanaged for decades along with care.
Just stop blaming others and accept that the responsibility is down to our Governments and our demands to pay less tax.
Focusing on immigration of any sort is a financial and mental distraction from fixing the actual problems. |
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